td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Interested to see if it's gonna be shit or not

[worn mango]

Spoiler: Yes

[rich lotus]

The last good exotic chest piece they released was… oh that’s right they’re all fkn useless!

[magic pilot]

Hey!

[rich lotus]

OK PVE WISE

[magic pilot]

Tardigrade is a staple for IH

[rich lotus]

Alright one use case

[magic pilot]

Even ridgeway kinda sucks in PvP, might make a comeback with the sadist buff but I doubt it

[rich lotus]

They need to release an exotic bag that’s better than vigi

That will cure this game

[magic pilot]

Definitely 🤣

[onyx sage]

ninjabike bag bro

[rich lotus]

TRUE

[junior surge]

Perfect obliterate on a backpack

I mean we got companion on a chest, so the rules around that don't seem to matter anymore

[magic pilot]

Remove striker gearset and make it an exotic bp (include chest and bp talent)

[rich lotus]

remove striker = yes

remove elmo = also yes

[magic pilot]

What the freak

[onyx sage]

determined but as character talent

[magic pilot]

What kind of horse shit is that talent

[rich lotus]

im gonna use that in countdown

[tulip charm]

Best pvp chest just drop

😭

[rich lotus]

(Disabled in pvp)

I bet

[broken pewter]

does weapon handling affect liberty pistol? i heard it doesnt

[rich lotus]

Where did you see this send link plz

[spark valley]

they didnt even say stats on steam and it wont be available until the climax mission of the season, as a drop from the mission

so very likely gonna change before it actually drops lol

[worn mango]

https://trello.com/c/qppi7bfc/261-october-28-2024-tu22-patch-notes-balancing-part-1
https://trello.com/c/HnfbcIdb/262-october-28-2024-tu22-patch-notes-balancing-part-2

[tulip charm]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/6xHUrSJ9z828rDyJSwzG2V/year-6-season-2-shades-of-red

[rich lotus]

Thanks gang

[tulip charm]

np gang

[magic pilot]

Other Div cord

[fresh fox]

WTF!

versatile doesn’t buff pistols so it sucks

true goated incursion dps is all pistols

[violet basin]

You aren't using pistols

[fresh fox]

besides martinez final bit

[fresh fox]

yea you are lol

the dodge city holster is powerful

correction

YOU arent

[violet basin]

Not all of us are sequence breaking with overlooked Achilles pulse

[fresh fox]

not my problem then

[violet basin]

Then why waste time commenting. Unless you are literally just trying to needlessly start an argument

[rich lotus]

compton got a huge ego after joining snb

[fresh fox]

Then why waste time commenting. Unless you are literally just trying to needlessly start an argument

[fresh fox]

always been here pal

[rich lotus]

my goat

[violet basin]

And to the block list. Narcissistic entities are not worth my time

[fresh fox]

just hasn’t shown itself 🥀🥀

NOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE UNBLOCK IM SORRY ILL PLEASE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harsh dagger]

I just looted The Mop unique SIX12 shotty today and my brain went into full build craft mode rn

[fresh fox]

PLEASE!!

wait

i actually don’t care just joking guys

[broken pewter]

i need some advice for the build im doin

[fresh fox]

let’s hear it

[tulip charm]

Gotta drop the build

[rich lotus]

Nah we gonna guess

actually i bet i can

[broken pewter]

IM doing a liberty pistol build (as usuall i only use this weapon since i been playing). But im using improvised gear to also tack 72% PFE, i will run memento, punch drunk mask and some chest with perfect headhunter on it, maybe walker & harris IDK yet. My question is, which second attribute i should choose besides HS damage

[rich lotus]

nvm couldnt see this one coming

[harsh dagger]

The Mop with Preservation
NinjaBike Backpack
3 pieces of Hunter's Fury
1 piece of System Corruption
1 piece of Palisade Steelworks

Viable?

[tulip charm]

Why liberty for a hh build and that much pfe?

[rich lotus]

Weapon Handling in case you miss your shot!

[broken pewter]

idk, just to mess around a bit

[broken pewter]

nah iuts useless

[fresh fox]

it’s not

[rich lotus]

OK SAYS THE GUY STACKING PFE

[broken pewter]

i been only using this gun since i started playing, my liberty has aimbot regardless of stats

[spark valley]

handling or hazpro

[tulip charm]

A normal Hunters Fury would do better.

[fresh fox]

yea so imagine if it had more aimbot!!

[broken pewter]

weapon handling only affects vertical recoil, doesnt do a thing for horizontal

[harsh dagger]

What do all those things have in common?

[broken pewter]

for the liberty

[tulip charm]

AoK

[spark valley]

pistol builds are basically headshot+handling for pve, headshot+hazpro for pvp, thats more or less all u need to know

[harsh dagger]

Yup

[broken pewter]

im not sure if i should go for HAZPROTECT or explosive resistance

[rich lotus]

There is recoil in this game???????

[fresh fox]

no its also accuracy and weapon sway

[broken pewter]

Yes but doesnt work for the liberty

[fresh fox]

but that’s ok you didn’t know

[tulip charm]

But how are you gonna kill stuff if you cant do any damage to proc it?

[broken pewter]

liberty has a fixed recoil that cant be chasnged by weapon handling

[tulip charm]

🤔

[rich lotus]

wait really

[broken pewter]

yeah

[fresh fox]

wow

[rich lotus]

hold up gonna drive home and check rn

[tulip charm]

Just used a normal d50 then.

[fresh fox]

so meta

[broken pewter]

its same

[tulip charm]

liberty is gross

[spark valley]

why is compton rude lmao

[rich lotus]

no its not pal

Not on the D50

[broken pewter]

d50 and liberty have a fixed horizontal that cant be change

[harsh dagger]

The build I proposed supposedly gives me 75% Armour on Kill

[rich lotus]

ok well idk what recoil youre talking about

[broken pewter]

horizontal vs vertical

[rich lotus]

never experienced recoil in this game

[broken pewter]

you cant change the horizontal one

[tulip charm]

ok cheater

[rich lotus]

ok so are you spamming a d50?

[magic pilot]

There isn't recoil lol

[spark valley]

ok well regardless, if u dont wanna run handlign run hazpro, lot more versatile than explosive resist

[rich lotus]

Or are you moving and shooting maybe

[broken pewter]

thanks will try

i only play with this gun, im just creating stupid builds for it

[rich lotus]

run Health

[fresh fox]

sorry guys i’ll change for the better.

[rich lotus]

better than both u wont die to the gassy stuff

[fresh fox]

wait that’s true..

[rich lotus]

im lowkey a genius

[spark valley]

i had someone on tiktok argue with me once that he needed to run like 4 health rolls on his pvp build

(he was a console player)

[rich lotus]

he knows the tech

[broken pewter]

i used to have a pvp build 3 years ago with the liberty, gotta make it agian

[spark valley]

regulus lil bro

[rich lotus]

ah yeah I bet it still works

[spark valley]

HA

[broken pewter]

i only remember the talents, it was like vanguard + vigilance

[rich lotus]

but dont bother in pvp if you experience recoil on a 120 rpm pistol

[broken pewter]

run to their face, deploy shield, click 3 times and boom

lmaaao

[spark valley]

what if they move

[broken pewter]

"oh but he has a deffender drone, this and that" - I R R E L E V A N T

[rich lotus]

guys the new patch notes suck im going back to bed 😠

[magic pilot]

Not worth

Liberty shit compared to reg even for crit

[spark valley]

is regulus still gonna be god tier after nerf tho

that reload nerf looks aids im not excited for that at all

[magic pilot]

Yea it'll be fine

You usually have handling rolls for reg build in pve anyway

[broken pewter]

i deconstructed regulus 2 years ago by accident and i dont have the patiente to farm it again

[onyx sage]

weapon handling (specifically stability) cannot reduce horizontal recoil, only vertical recoil

[magic pilot]

Takes 1 run😭

[broken pewter]

i dont remember how to do it, and from what i seems you cant queue for the raid, you gotta create a private party and stuf

[spark valley]

not for hunters regulus 😭

also pvp regulus builds dont, thats gonna hurt gotta really land those shots now

[spark valley]

theres a lot of discord servers you can use to find a raid group (im willing to bet this discord is one of them)

[rich lotus]

the other community server has vc’s

dont be shy cause at least 5 other people in the raid have no idea what they’re doing

just let 2 guys carry and ggs

[magic pilot]

2 rolls still

[magic pilot]

It's only nerf was reload speed no?

[fresh fox]

pvp builds have like 3 rolls with unless you are doing haz pro or something

bag, chest, mask worth

[magic pilot]

^

[spark valley]

I assumed hazpro

[fresh fox]

you can

but like if hazards are in play just swap to a haz pro version

[broken pewter]

gotta check on that yeah

[spark valley]

Im probably making a mountain out of a molehill but I can’t see myself using regulus in pvp much post nerf, just don’t wanna be caught with my pants down for nearly 3 seconds every 6 shots

[magic pilot]

Standard reg pvp build has 3 roles that don't do anything

[broken pewter]

regulus has more damage than liberty right? not talking about the headshot talent just regular bodyshots

[spark valley]

All my regulus builds are pretty high hazpro, even rolled on my fox’s and contractors

[onyx sage]

yes it has higher base

[rich lotus]

i took my 6 red pgc reg build into conflict once and shit on everyone 😎

#pve player

[spark valley]

Kamikazevondoom viewer^

[rich lotus]

Don’t disrespect the greatest

[broken pewter]

is this the project for the regulus?? i dont remember

[onyx sage]

running butcher glazer

[onyx sage]

yes, that one and the one on the right

[broken pewter]

i dont remember where to get the things left

[onyx sage]

you haven't finished those so i don't think you even got regulus once

[spark valley]

Bro doesn’t have ridgeways

[broken pewter]

ironwork material

[onyx sage]

raid again

[spark valley]

From the raid, iron horse

[broken pewter]

i did, 100%

but once i deconstruct i had to start again

[onyx sage]

then you would only have to raid once again instead of having those projects again

[rich lotus]

Just one shot Grey real quick and get your 10 ironworks mats

[broken pewter]

but the raid needs to be in a certain difficult to count something like that

[onyx sage]

normal

[broken pewter]

okok

do i need to do something specific during the raid or just complete it

[onyx sage]

make sure to pick up boss drops

[rich lotus]

yeah like 3 other people

u just need to do first enc to finish that project

and loot the box

[broken pewter]

gotta do this

[spark valley]

Regulus is worth it

[rich lotus]

go get a diamondback and one shot the first boss trust its free

[broken pewter]

does it the have the same recoil as liberty?

[rich lotus]

BRO

[onyx sage]

lmao... it's way better

[broken pewter]

"this game doesnt have recoil" i know i know

[onyx sage]

once you have it the liberty doesn't exist

[spark valley]

It’s got piss all recoil

[rich lotus]

THERE IS NO RECOIL CAUSE U AINT SPAMMING IT LIKE JUST READJUST YOUR MOUSE AFTER SHOOTING???

its a pistol not an lmg

[spark valley]

5head

[broken pewter]

daddy chill

i got u

[spark valley]

Yeah but you can just adjust your mouse in between each lmg shot …

[rich lotus]

My countdown teammates

[spark valley]

The bighorn has no recoil

[magic pilot]

Yea I run headshot primary and haz as secondary but I'm gonna swap to handling now

The only downside regulus has is the reload speed now

[spark valley]

Eagles grasp new meta over contractors

7 round cylinder too

[magic pilot]

Yea no🤣

Especially not in PvP, I'd rather run 2 pc petrov and drop Fox

[spark valley]

/j 🙈

[magic pilot]

2 blue reg

[spark valley]

3pc hotshot maybe?

[magic pilot]

For reference

[spark valley]

Is 2 blue standard? Normally see 3/4 on a build like that

[magic pilot]

2 yea

[spark valley]

But pre nerf those handling rolls would be hazpro yes?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsYGxgTBYZypetmUC54E5YwAWCMAZjAFYAODOrTbMguExCs2h++7I5YCTiJuo3kVbhhPMQ1wlgFabJkZsK0etWzsoEcX3hg8RMYpyyWjVe0ogA

This is what I have, don’t run it often mainly just made it to flex that’s why blue heavy, fire and shock immune

[fresh fox]

i still rand handling on my red reg 🤷‍♂️

i recently swapped because i am able to run 1 blue

got a haz hs unbreakable habs chest 🤑

[spark valley]

Crazy talk, haven’t seen anyone outside conflict run less than 3 blues

[magic pilot]

Tbh I haven't seen many people run reg with more than 2 besides regen/haz with intimidate

[spark valley]

I have a regen hazpro hunter killer one with 6 blue, that’s the one i use more often

[magic pilot]

Tbh I don't even remember the setup for it, I've used it maybe once

@gentle lichen

[spark valley]

Idk if this is the standard but this was first time I saw it and mines basically the same

Except I usually use contractors over yaahl gloves

[gentle lichen]

i use catharsis and emperor's that's the only diff

[wise swallow]

pretty much

[spark valley]

Oh yeah I use emperors too

[wise swallow]

thats the basic haz pro set up

[magic pilot]

No picaros?

Nvm that's bighorn

[gentle lichen]

isn't that a different one with demo?

[wise swallow]

no?

not that ik of

[gentle lichen]

100% burn resist

[spark valley]

Bighorn hazpro regen uses Picaros?

I thought it was catharsis emperors belstone 3pc gila

[magic pilot]

One of the 2 main versions yea

[gentle lichen]

wait lemme hop on and see

[wise swallow]

this one isnt immune. its 80% haz pro

[gentle lichen]

i know i meant there was another hazpro setup with more damage and reds similar to dps reg

[wise swallow]

its kinda just the basic, pop shield and die. Idk why bellstone is there now that I think of it

id take pic and use golan on backpack

[gentle lichen]

10% total over regen?

[wise swallow]

15

[gentle lichen]

maybe if tech to hold chem for armor

[spark valley]

I swapped yaahl gloves for contractors and knees for emperors

[wise swallow]

I dont think regen is worth it if your using a shield and already invested in haz pro

unless bttk doesnt change

[gentle lichen]

These are the two "tank" setups i use

This is the hazpro one i was talking about

[spark valley]

3rd one is basically the same as the other build I sent earlier

[wise swallow]

""""""""""""""""""""""tank"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

more like shoot people 2 times in the head while they attempt to shoot through like 5 million hp

[gentle lichen]

Only getting stronger with catharsis buff lol

Already hitting for 1m on half stacks with the habs one

[wise swallow]

yea soon itll be shoot 1 time

[fading belfry]

St elmo striker debuff hurt 😔

[spark valley]

W nerfs

[gentle lichen]

2.78 reload speed for reg 😿

Gotta hit those shots

[spark valley]

THAT hurts

We were just talking about that like an hour ago lol

[gentle lichen]

Might change chc rolls on dps reg to handling just for that

[fresh fox]

that’s before the reload speed mod is taken into account

reg has a reload speed attachment so it won’t be that bad

surely..

[gentle lichen]

i compared it to reloading fully empty nemesis

it hurts man

[fresh fox]

how fast is nemesis reload

[gentle lichen]

2.6

[fresh fox]

reg would be faster

reg will be like 2.5

ikr so fast

something like that idk

[gentle lichen]

yeah you better those shots or borderline just emote in front of them

that'll have a better chance of them leaving you

[spark valley]

Nerf is putting it at something like 2.75 from memory and mods for 10% so yeah 2.5

it’s pretty rough

[fading belfry]

What’s the deal with the rifles?

[fresh fox]

they will become full automatic

[fading belfry]

Imma see a lot more rifle builds in the dark zone I suspect

[fresh fox]

i don’t think so

[fading belfry]

Rate of fire on the m1a could be a good dps the base damage compared to the assault rifles is a lot higher the limiting factors would be the mag capacity

[rich cosmos]

Its not a rate of fire buff

They keep the same rate of fire

They just are full auto for the player

Its a quality of life change

Its a pretty huge change, but it technically not a buff

[fresh fox]

dttoc still better

it’s just quality of life

albeit quite a big one

[magic pilot]

Rifles also have the worst modifier for PvP so

[tidal wind]

What is a good build for the ravenous?
Is this build a good one for it or is there something better?

[urban latch]

Just your classic 3p prov highh end build. Standard DPS build guide in the spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

Ikia made a ninja build??

[tidal wind]

aight thx man

[tidal wind]

Yea, its all the way at the bottom of the google drive if you sort by ''last modified''

[tidal wind]

would obliterate be a good talent to pair with the ravenous?

[urban latch]

not really, youll be building up stacks quite slowly

[tidal wind]

which talent do you recommend?

[hexed steppe]

will rav be full auto after update?

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[magic pilot]

Intimidate

Rav will proc it, so you could run vigi or wicked as well

[dreamy valve]

Just noticed that the MDR's optimal range has been doubled, nice

[magic pilot]

Too bad it sucks

[dreamy valve]

wait it does?

felt fine to me

[magic pilot]

Let me check

It's in 7th for burst

7/14

10% less than 1/14

[dreamy valve]

is this scoring only for damage?

[magic pilot]

Yes

Mk-17 the move

Slower rpm and more dmg, same magsize and like .07 slower reload

Basically the same handling

[dreamy valve]

hmm I have MK17 too

but whats better than both

taking into account TU22

[magic pilot]

Best is m16

[magic pilot]

Yes

M16 is best sustained and burst

[warped mason]

any improvements for my one shot pistol build? (i still need to get the harvester)

[onyx sage]

a lot

ditch the umbra gloves and replace with contractor's gloves, as well as get headshot damage and weapon handling on every piece besides memento, punch drunk and fox

you can't get harvest anymore so best bet is d50

[warped mason]

oh ok

[warped mason]

and how can i get the contracter gloves?

[onyx sage]

farm petrov brand

[warped mason]

on coutndown?

[onyx sage]

yes

[dreamy valve]

Do all the M16 rifles have the same number of attachment slots?

[magic pilot]

Yes

I thought that was ninja at first I was gonna cry

[dreamy valve]

cool, just crafted it

[magic pilot]

Let me know how it feels, I can't remember what changes it's getting next patch

[dreamy valve]

Im going to try out all the rifles I own

[golden nacelle]

nah go the magnum, such as the prophet he has or a normal one as d50 is going to be nerfed tonight.

[onyx sage]

i forgot patch is dropping soon ngl

[dreamy valve]

Iron Lung isn't affected by Status Effect attribute right?

[tulip charm]

No iirc

[radiant reef]

It’s burn would be. But the gun itself isn’t.

Negotiators is gonna be a boon for raid runners and even some legendary content I think

[tulip charm]

I mean it’s already is used in high level stuff. While it’s a small buff we still take those.

[onyx sage]

negotiator's has been relevant in legendary looooong ago

[shy willow]

It's slept on because it's gimmick is the opposite of striker

By most anyway

[surreal depot]

So regulus is not the best bet sir

[radiant reef]

Oh I know but I mean it’s gonna be even better

[hexed steppe]

i would ditch sharpshooter. there is a good chance its not needed. tac drone kinda meh considering more useful skills like decoy could have real benefit.
i prefer highend pistol build as well, this is the way i run it.
6 red core, tier 4 shield, tier 3 artificer. once memento is stacked shield is around 12mil health, and artificer is repairing around 58% shield health every 10 seconds passively.
i think itll lose about 5% wd because of picaro nerf happening with this season.

[gentle lichen]

Claws out will beat it by 1% and you can put a red on it

[rich lotus]

Claws out is 9% pistol dmg right?

[hexed steppe]

No it's being improved to 11%.

A couple things would keep me from using it.
1- it only affects pistols, picaros affects all weapons.
2- I would be trading skill damage for haste, haste has a better value since not using any damage skills.
3- it's only 1% difference. if I wanted to utilize it as a red core item with a better damage boost, I would lose my skilltier.

Its 100% valid as a min/max item after this patch tho

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe are all your pieces headshot? Is that build meant to be a sniper or fill pistol build with other weapons as secondary options?

[fresh fox]

they are all headshot

and it’s a pistol build that can also use a sniper

[covert meadow]

Ok ty @fresh fox I'm gunna try and build it when servers come up. Sounds like rifle builds with be best with this s2 so I better look into some.

[magic pilot]

Mmr still stronger imo

Rifles for crit, (except 1886)

[past river]

Big boi million crits 🤣🤣

[covert meadow]

Not familiar with abbreviation more? @magic pilot

Still learning lots

[shut tide]

What replacement for saint elma would you recommend? (Striker build)

[magic pilot]

Mmr - marksman, crit is critical chance or damage like striker build

[fresh fox]

elmo’s

[magic pilot]

Ahhh elma my beloved

[stark shell]

saint elma

[placid latch]

Don't get to choked

I know you got a good current with her

[covert meadow]

@magic pilot oh ok ty

[lyric prism]

I like localdeck' pistol setup. saves

[magic pilot]

I see what you did there

[magic pilot]

Don't fall for his builds

[placid latch]

I'm nothing but Determined

[hexed steppe]

Yeah all headshot. Mostly pistol but usable with marksman . Memento also takes a short time to get charged so you could swap in providence vigilance bag for higher first shot and top end damage , but would have weaker shield/no regen

[lyric prism]

I did a long time ago. It has uses.

[hexed steppe]

Hush

[placid latch]

I must admit those build are pretty tempting

You still need to overcome them for your own convenience

[lyric prism]

you take, you modify.

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe ok yeah I was looking at the open world vs mission survivability, if I took that off.

I'll load darpa with it, directives and heroic

[hexed steppe]

Another strong option is head hunters fury . Has some built in survivability from the set

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe ok ty ill look into that 1 as well, I don't have a pistol build but it looks like alot of fun, and with this update, sounds like where going to need range

[lyric prism]

and here we go...

[warped mason]

Im so confused

[hexed steppe]

There are only a couple differences from what you posted.
Contractors gloves, picaros holster, and spec that gives an extra skilltier and artificer hive that repairs the shield.

[marsh river]

wow reading patch notes.. the new gear.. literally all of it.. is just extremely impractical gimmick pile of garbage-- way to keep the game fresh..

weapon swapping and restrictive ranges.. who the hell thinks that stuff is fun?

what an extreme epic fail, completely tone deaf

[versed summit]

It’s fun, but awkward.

I’m not a fan of them making a gearset and making modifiers around a that gearset play style though. Seems pretty limiting

[marsh river]

its so situationally specific that it is almost always going to be worse. and guaranteed to be worse in an overall performance perspective - compare to just about anything else

at which point, i ask.. why bother

[dreamy valve]

If going by pve, I think Tactical Drone is the most underrated skill in the game

[versed summit]

The situation being enemies in different ranges doesn’t seem situational. But tbf, I haven’t played it yet.

[marsh river]

screw all this im going back to diablo

[worn mango]

Ok, have fun

[versed summit]

I’d say EMP sticky is pretty underrated as well.

Tac drone is solid though.

[dreamy valve]

As I said in the Testing Phase 1/2 channels, the player is fighting their gear on top of enemies at the same time, making it doubly inefficient

[limber mason]

if it's just one step, like Hunter's, then it's ok but having to go back and forths is questionable

[dreamy valve]

I think it’s still better than the Ortiz gear set but not by much

[limber mason]

ortiz at least tried something nice like actually changing function of a skill

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, but look no one uses it anyways

[limber mason]

true, but it should be more daring like that

[dreamy valve]

Welcome back to Strikers city

[hexed steppe]

Once you understand the spawn patterns tac drone or pulse are just really redundant. Could use something like jammer pulse and get an effect while being informed on npc location.
There is just much more useful skills imho

Pulse in pvp is useful

[dreamy valve]

I’ll take a taco drone over an emp sticky any day of the week when the host has Fog of War directive up

Yeah taco

[worn mango]

Welcome to Ongoing Directive city*

[dreamy valve]

I’m planning on maining Ongoing Directive this whole season hahaha

[worn mango]

I'm hitting 1.063M crits with OD right now

[dreamy valve]

Tac drone has huge range and duration, as well as freeing up your attention to other things in the room instead of having to activate it to scan enemies. It’s incredibly useful and severely underrated and underestimated imo

I play a lot of pve overworld content when the host has 3-4 directives on that includes no radar, evidently whenever I activate tac drone, every player in my group seems to kill things faster than I can get a headshot off on my sniper lul

[magic pilot]

Crazy

[worn mango]

Yeah that was with a FAL, it's gross

Getting 52/139 CHC/D

Coyote/Sadist/Wicked/OD Chest

[magic pilot]

Try it with carnage

[worn mango]

I'll grab it

805k per crit on carnage

1.127 actually with the FAL, it's gross

[dreamy valve]

Iron Lung gunna be my weapon for OD

[worn mango]

I just hate the feel of LMG's

[dreamy valve]

the reload speed is what gets me

[worn mango]

I just like running a sadist AR with riot foam

[tawdry raven]

Chatterbox is so op

[magic pilot]

You should be able to get more dps out of carnage unless they changed it from pts

[magic pilot]

What changes did it get?

[tawdry raven]

More rof than oreo

On strikers it's got like 978 and the talent stacks a ton more rof

[inner forge]

@versed summit Said generic red loadout. lol

And the only reason I'm using the SMG and Pistol are to get them masteried. lol

[versed summit]

That’s an AR lol, but yeah this is decent for countdown. I’d recommend not memento, and honestly just striker’s, but I wouldn’t kick someone for what is generally a competent build

[inner forge]

Is that an AR? ...I didn't even look.

Holy cow it is an AR... I thought it was an SMG....

[magic pilot]

Same as capacitor

PDW/ PDR is technically between an smg and a battle rifle in actual use but it's an AR in Div to make it simple

[inner forge]

I mean, it's my open world build so I can turn my brain off and just do CPs and Events. I just find HF to be funny at shutting it all down. I don't enjoy Strikers as much as I thought I would since I like to play so close.

[versed summit]

You can play close with striker’s too, and it works a little better in countdown where you’re not the only one getting kills

[versed summit]

Interesting

[magic pilot]

Mp7, p90 that sort of weapon is a PDW

[inner forge]

So it's just using the same build I'm using, but with a mask instead since you're using the Striker's chest, right?

[versed summit]

Yeah for sure, didn’t think of them as crosses between battle rifles and smgs tho

[versed summit]

The chest you have works fine tbh

Typically you want a damage talent on your chest tho

I’d recommend checking out the pinned spreadsheet with the striker guide.

[magic pilot]

Orginally design for troops that are in a combat zone to have something bigger than something like the mp5 (stopping power wise) and something lighter than a full sized rifle. People were really afraid of paratroopers dropping behind battle lines

[inner forge]

Outside of optimizing my gear, I don't think I've swapped out a piece in ages. I don't even remember what I have on my Chest for a talent... Probably Obliterate since it's the only name I can remember. lol

[versed summit]

Unbrwakable

[violet basin]

Is aces and aces back?
16 mill dps on the Ole raid mcqb feels good

[versed summit]

Perhaps

[solar sable]

aces&aces is new huh

[dreamy valve]

gunna try it will all the automatic rifles now

[rich cosmos]

God the lvoa actually sucks

Like even as a simp I can’t ignore how bad it is

Actually feels terrible

Note this is on challenging but, it does good damage but the lvoa just has terrible handling, like without multiple handling attributes and handling mods, its really hard to control

[spark valley]

You’re controlling that very easily lol

[rich cosmos]

It looks that way but its a lot different in actual practice

It has terrible horizontal sway and when used on something like umbra, the added rpm practically makes it unusable

The weirdest part of this is that they nerfed its damage with this update

On a rifle that was already bad

[wise swallow]

console problems

[spark valley]

Bad before it was automatic, they probably figured full auto would offset the lost dps

[rich cosmos]

I honestly doubt it will be good on a mouse

[wise swallow]

i could control LVOA with zero handling mods before it was auto

im just that good.

[rich cosmos]

Hes him

[wise swallow]

actually thats a lie I used striker

so like 15% handling

[rich cosmos]

I do wonder if striker is worth using with it

Prob not

[wise swallow]

absolutely not

[rich cosmos]

They should revert the nerf to the lvoa’s damage

[wise swallow]

theye should revert the LVOA to patch -1.5

aka last div 1 patch

[rich cosmos]

Lol

The lvoa on umbra would be great if the recoil wasn’t insane

[wise swallow]

console problems

[rich cosmos]

I mean it is terrible

Like, really bad

[wise swallow]

I havent tried it

[rich cosmos]

Honestly don’t

[wise swallow]

i kinda forgot divsion updated

Nah im going to

[rich cosmos]

Without umbra its manageable but you definitely need to have some handling

With umbra half my build was handling and it was not bearable

[spark valley]

On console

The reticle spread on those shots was not even bad, maybe for console but not for pc

[rich cosmos]

This is aces not umbra

I didn’t get a clip of umbra

[wise swallow]

im gonna post a video of me doing perfectly fine with it (I will not do perfectly fine)

[spark valley]

Sharpshooter, eagles grasp, bobs your uncle

[rich cosmos]

Nah your him, duel wield lvoas

[rich cosmos]

I had a lot of weapon handling and stability

Like, a lot

[spark valley]

I wish I could believe you ….

[rich cosmos]

I actually think the issue is that the weapon handing attribute is just too small of a percentage, like 8% is not much

[spark valley]

It’s fk all

Better off using eagles grasp and brand bonuses

[rich cosmos]

I was.

[spark valley]

^

[rich cosmos]

When see for yourself youll understand the pain

[wise swallow]

ok blinder you just suck

this thing has no recoil

[spark valley]

HA

Console problems im telling u

[rich cosmos]

I swear there has to be a major difference here

As I had gunner handling active, eagles grasp, 2 or 3 weapon handling attributes and full stability and handling attachments

I swear the gods are out to ruin me

[spark valley]

Ur watch isn’t maxed

Level 818

[wise swallow]

like its not completely controlled, the last 10 bullets get a little crazy but

[rich cosmos]

Last one is stability which is half done

[spark valley]

Stability is the one that’s relevant here

That plus sticks vs mouse is probably enough to make the difference tbh

[rich cosmos]

Yes I get that but keep note of the fact that all the attachments got huge buffs

Probably is just a mouse vs stick issue then which is kinda bs

Lvoa is just really really bad on console

[wise swallow]

ignore the mouth breathing my mic was unmuted. No practice, first time using it, mag dumping at a wall with 0 stability beyond watch.

[rich cosmos]

That is not the lvoa

[wise swallow]

last 10 get crazy

its m4 same recoil pattern

im too lazy to get it from stash

[rich cosmos]

Thats controllable??

[wise swallow]

If I can keep it on a head for 20+ bullets yes

• I could get that tighter

[rich cosmos]

Thats is just not controllable, so Im not insane

[spark valley]

M4 is same recoil as LVOA?

[lone lion]

any cool new skill builds?

[wise swallow]

pretty sure but im doing it again with LVOA

[rich cosmos]

No

[wise swallow]

Ok i apparently I deleted mine

[spark valley]

Understandable

Do u have a surge? Named version

[wise swallow]

I will craft one

in my humble opinion isnt uncontrollable

Tho handling would make it alot easier

[spark valley]

Certainly

[wise swallow]

totally did not use my entire mousepad to do that

[spark valley]

Paid for the entire mousepad gonna use the entire mousepad damnit

[rich cosmos]

The lvoa definitely needs a buff of some kind

Just revert its damage nerf

really stupid that they nerfed its damage

[wise swallow]

I dont get the point of nerfing the dmg of weapons that were wildly regarded as horrible

[rich cosmos]

They also nerfed its reload speed I think

Like why???

The lvoa wasn’t gonna magically become the best gun in the game just because it was full auto

[wise swallow]

my alleged auto clicker was just as fast and it was still terrible

[rich cosmos]

It definitely needs its nerfs reverted at least

You already lose damage trying to get it controllable

[wise swallow]

I mean yea you also are basically forced to miss

its not controllable enough to get 90% spray accuracy

[rich cosmos]

I might use that stacking accuracy talent

I have a lvoa rolled with it

[wise swallow]

accuracy aint gonna do much

its already fairly decent assuming your not bumping an entire mah

isnt there a stability talent too

the last 10 bullets get really ridiculous so i wouldnt even bother dumping an entire mag

[rich cosmos]

Is there?

I know my aces build could use more accuracy

[wise swallow]

idk

[rich cosmos]

The handling is decent enough but the accuracy is not good for long range

[wise swallow]

oh its the same talent

steady handed

[rich cosmos]

Yeah its only accuracy right?

[wise swallow]

nah its stability too

unless spreadsheet is wrong

[rich cosmos]

Whats its description?

[wise swallow]

Hits grant a stack of +1% Accuracy and Stability.
At 100 (75) stacks, consumes stacks to refill the magazine.

stabilize too

[rich cosmos]

Ah right

Might be worth using then

[wise swallow]

near sighted would have been nice

[rich cosmos]

Whats near sighted again?

[wise swallow]

+80 stab -35 range

[rich cosmos]

Is it available for the lvoa?

[wise swallow]

nope lol

[rich cosmos]

Damn

[wise swallow]

AR specific

[rich cosmos]

Yea as if ARs actually need that

Steady handed it is then

[wise swallow]

steady handed and stabilize will do quite a bit tho

1% Weapon Accuracy and +1% Weapon Stability per bullet shot, up to +60 (75)%.
Stopping shooting will start a timer of 4 (6) seconds, after which the bonuses reset

thats stabilize

steady better

[rich cosmos]

Yea steady seems better plus Im not using extended on my lvoa

[wise swallow]

does the last 10 jump like crazy without the big mag

[rich cosmos]

Its pretty bad, its around the 20 round mark where goes to the right a bunch

[wise swallow]

yea the last few bullets are actually uncontrollable

big matg might be worth it cuz that doesnt happen untill the 40 round mark

[rich cosmos]

I do need to experiment with aces

Im still wondering if the backpack is worth using

Are there any good backpack talents good for survivability

[wise swallow]

bloodsucker, adrush

[rich cosmos]

I really have no clue any of this talents, where is a link to all backpack talent descriptions

[wise swallow]

in the spreadsheet

you new or something

[rich cosmos]

No im stupid

[wise swallow]

Last I recall your cuntass been here for a while

[rich cosmos]

Hmm

Should I be concerned that Im thinking of using ninjabag

I feel like I should be concerned

I could also potentially put on a damage talent with whatever brand set gives 10% armor on kill as the 1 piece

[dreamy valve]

damn, Ongoing Directive is indeed a beastly set now

[worn mango]

OD truthers

[dreamy valve]

1.1 Mil from Iron Lung and its not even fuly optimized

set has 2X Glass Cannon talent but none of the drawbacks is insane

reload speed is pretty fast too, it all feels like its a permanent Golden Bullet when I use this build

[violet basin]

That's okay.
Aces and 8's has the acr ss hitting 14-17 mill burst on named targets and 8.2 mill dps sustained on invulnerable elite

[dreamy valve]

yeah, but think about someone in your team that has OD on giving you even more damage

Force multiply party buff has its uses

[violet basin]

Ohhhh trust me i am already farming and ACR of OD too with sadist or dtoc

I currently have an enhanced g36 (copium i know) and it does 13 mill bursts on named after you get the ammo going

And it is not optimized nor proficiency'ed up

[dreamy valve]

Im gunna OD on OD this season bruh

[violet basin]

I just can't bring myself to use coyotes with it

I like my glass cannon too much

[violet basin]

What did the chest do for the OD set again? The wiki for it is greyed out

[worn mango]

It's up to 50% now

A free 50% amp

And sadist went up to 30%

[violet basin]

W h a t

[worn mango]

Your team still gets 20 but you get 50, it's insane

[violet basin]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck

TIME TO REDJUST MY SET

[wise swallow]

so supposedly OD is good now

[tulip charm]

yeah

[dreamy valve]

the OD chest is 2X stronger than a regular Glass Cannon talent

but without taking more damage

[violet basin]

I mean.
So is aces and 8's.
And I thought it would be ded forever.

I did test last seasons rifle set BTW.
20 mill dps bursts during it's "burst phase"

[wise swallow]

whats the uptime like on OD

how does OD even work again

[dreamy valve]

uptime?

[worn mango]

If you kill an enemy with a status effect you're given hollow point

[dreamy valve]

I have 100% uptime on OD since im using Iron Lung

[worn mango]

You get a full mag and your teammates get a 50% mag

I run a foam launcher, foam my first engagement if I don't have a stack, kill them and then you keep rolling hollow rounds

I also run a scorpio because it'll self hollow itself

[wise swallow]

I see

[dreamy valve]

I use Iron Lung since it frees up 2 of my skill slots to use whatever else

[wise swallow]

how does one build OD

chest and backpack or just chest

[violet basin]

Just chest

[wise swallow]

k

[sage dragon]

perfect creeping death backpack usually

but people switch it up

[wise swallow]

no coyote or cototre

[worn mango]

I'm running it

[dreamy valve]

Coyote helps the party even more

[worn mango]

There's what I run

[rich cosmos]

Might make an od build now

What was the buff again?

[dreamy valve]

Iron Lung has a built in status effect and its very reliable in getting the hollow point bullets

[wise swallow]

just a shit ton of amp

wait we can say shit again

[sage dragon]

iron lung for all factions cept the tusk i use bluescreen for them

[worn mango]

Sadist gives you 30% amp, I'll take that with a gun that's just better overall any day

[rich cosmos]

Neat

[dreamy valve]

Its better than Strikers I think

[worn mango]

Chest gives 50% amp now to yourself and still 20% amp to your teammates

[violet basin]

Not quite.
But I would rate it within a 15% margin

[sage dragon]

its prob better then strikers before olbiterate and strikers is stacked but def not with stacks

[worn mango]

I think OD is a better utilitarian build. Yeah you have to get hollow rounds, but once you have them they're easy to keep going, you give a team buff and you don't have to maintain stacks

[dreamy valve]

as a team build damage buff support on top of the user doing tons of damage too? I'd say its overall better

[sage dragon]

for sure for team play

strikers offers no team benefit cept the coyotes

[wise swallow]

what is good SMG now

still oero boring

[sage dragon]

ouro, dark winter

lady death is pretty good 2 but harrd to use on higher difficulties

[worn mango]

That's my personal weighting of the new SMG's

[dreamy valve]

I prefer the higher sustain and uptime of my setup, but I guess some players like the initial burst

[sage dragon]

I think his point is with sadist you can kill everything with hollows giving you 100% uptime

[worn mango]

Div2 to me just isn't a game where sustain matters unless you're doing legendary. That's why I don't weigh it as an option because sustain gets skewed with mag size

[sage dragon]

foward i would say sustain for smgs especially isnt a thing

[worn mango]

For sure

[dreamy valve]

I think sustain still matters outside of Legendary content, as well as factors ouitside of mag size, removing additional steps to proc is something I do veer towards

[worn mango]

I can't say there's many times I run out of hollow from any heroic enemy. And if it does, I have a foam that also stops them from doing anything

Even outside of that, I can also proc a status with a scorpio or even just go full scorpio. That gun with hollow is insane

[dreamy valve]

The great thing about all this is that I don't need any status effect abilities besides the LMG to do the work, and It also doesn't run out of hollow point ammo either. That also frees up my skill slots for additional survivability skills

[worn mango]

I just like that OD is getting some shine now. I was running it last season with Oblit/Wicked and still did well but was outshined. Now it's really nice

Who needs survivability when you brrrtttttttt

[dreamy valve]

what you never died in this game before

[worn mango]

Never

Don't even know what that screen looks like

[dreamy valve]

show me your hardcore SHD 10k character

[worn mango]

It's having a nap

[dreamy valve]

The level zero fixer drone and healing ball does a surprising amount of work to keep me alive and thats also part of the sustain

I might even use the tac drone specialization for even more party support

[dreamy valve]

Backfire, im going to test it next

with my bleed immune build

combined with strikers of course

[lone lion]

post the build?

[tepid notch]

can give me build for nemesis?

[onyx sage]

sustain doesn't matter that much either in legendary. burst damage is still king

[worn mango]

I figured, I just never care about it but I know it's still a stat that's somewhat relevant

But in my picture I don't give it any weight

[lone lion]

Hotshot, chainkiller chest and vigilance airaldi backpack?

[lone lion]

Thanks!

what ddi you think?

[dreamy valve]

I still havent tested it yet, lol

Im going to eat first

284% critical hit damage is the best I can come up with for now

[raw dagger]

holy snap i love this new rifle buff

[rich cosmos]

The m16 didn’t get full auto or many changes no?

[raw dagger]

it got damage and fire rate increased

[rich cosmos]

Oh crazy

I already liked the m16

[raw dagger]

from 300 to 400 rpm, tho requires harder timing in between shot hence you see me missclicking

well i looked up the chart and its literally the highest rifle burst dps and top 2 sustain dps, the thing COOKS

the only problem is the burst making it only viable close-medium range

[rich cosmos]

Still need to make an aces and eight build I can double for healing, no idea how Im gonna go about it since the backpack is arguably as needed as the chest

[raw dagger]

i say the chest is more important, for sniper both r equally good but on rifles you're procing the card way more often

[dreamy valve]

theres so many builds I want to try out I feel like Im back in year 1 and 2 of this game bois

[rich cosmos]

Well yes but the key word being healing, I could use a 10% armor on kill with vig but that wouldn’t be as interesting

[raw dagger]

rifles finally be VIABLE

oh, i also found out this as well

[rich cosmos]

except the lvoa

Lvoa kinda ass

[raw dagger]

m249 is far better than what it was before

thanks to the new mods, black friday isnt a shotgun anymore

[raw dagger]

ill just cope with st elmo

[devout iris]

any pve ravenous build? considering that it is now full auto

[raw dagger]

i dont have it but im guessing ace of eights would do just fine, there is literally no reason to run breaking point because even after building up the stack it still lacks dps compare to ace which builds up just by shooting

[rich cosmos]

Rav still has a slow as hell firerate

Probably does good damage at least

[hollow frost]

Does anyone have suggestions as to what armor I should be wearing if I want to do a DPS/Tank Hybrid? I want to run an assault rifle, maybe a sniper or LMG. Haven't found any shotguns that make me happy yet, would appreciate the input.

Just @ me if possible

Or DM

[rich cosmos]

Heartbreaker

Heartbreaker gearset

There are a couple different ways to run it

[hollow frost]

Full set or? Break it down for me goat, thanks In advance.

[rich cosmos]

You need 4 pieces, ideally leaving open your backpack and whatever slot you intend to use for an exotic

You can check the spreadsheet in pins

[hollow frost]

Thanks , I really appreciate it, going to look now.

[raw dagger]

oh my heavens i just remember boomerang return bullets to the mag while increasing damage

that means i can proc even more ace of eights

[rich cosmos]

Eh

I do think its good but personally I think other talents are better

[thorn marlin]

been a min since I played this game
was wondering if this is a good build or not?

Use 2 run this back in the day and still needed 2 fix some stuff but it's been years since I last played

[raw dagger]

might as well get 2 more hb

[tulip charm]

Its not.

Just run hb at that point

[raw dagger]

the green set only work if you have 4 of them

[thorn marlin]

hb?
sorry forgot what all these terms mean lol

[pastel merlin]

Returning Player. What is currently the best group healer setup? i looked it up and there a bit of confusion between Survialist vs Techician. Thanks

[raw dagger]

if group technician

holly hell the g7scout looking m1a got some CRAZY DPS

[tulip charm]

Heartbreaker

[raw dagger]

yea this shit getting nerfed fs

im doing average 14-18 mil dps per 10-12 bullets

[rich cosmos]

The m1a was always good

[raw dagger]

yea but ace of eight + riflemen

thats basically 100% damage increase every 4 shots

[dreamy valve]

Just tested it on the range, and its 1.76 mill on crit. Max stacks for both Backfire and Strikers doing headshots. This is on 978 rpm

went to a CP and it melts guys

[dull ermine]

How does Black Friday compare to m249 with strained?

Damage wise

[raw dagger]

i think its better since the new mods now basically removes the debuff the perk has

[atomic trench]

m1a kick like a mule and that spraid, any rifle thats good now?

[rich cosmos]

If you think the m1a is bad then you might as well not use any

[atomic trench]

if you use it full auto

[rich cosmos]

Full auto isn’t a buff

They keep the same rpm

[atomic trench]

ik, though on some rifle its feels decent

like mk47

[atomic trench]

i mean on this thing?
like never ever you would had that max rpm with clicking your mouse

[rich cosmos]

The lvoa is not good

[atomic trench]

ik but feels more usable now

[rich cosmos]

Not really

The handling actually feels worse at times because of the consistent rpm

It definitely did not get treated well, especially because they nerfed its damage for no reason

[atomic trench]

there 2 named weapons based on the lvoa?

[rich cosmos]

Pretty sure only one

[raw dagger]

im nutting to the ace of eight proccing sound

[atomic trench]

what gun is artist tool then based off

[rich cosmos]

Sig

[dreamy valve]

Hardwired skill spam is now almost hacking/glitch exploit levels

completed a CP using only seeker mines

[raw dagger]

lore accurate division agent

first time i ever reached this number, and i dont even have optimized build, this m16 buff is goofy

the thing melts enemies like GYATT DAMAGE

[atomic trench]

sig not feels that bad but let me guess also nerfed damage?
its avtually controllable

[raw dagger]

lemme pull a dps test

[atomic trench]

its pretty stable, iu actually found it even usable with 8 times

[raw dagger]

solid burst dps too

despite falling off behind m16

but who tf is gonna learn the burst timing

[atomic trench]

people might jsut use macro's then prob

[raw dagger]

or mouse scroll

but yea, m16 is top 1 in burst dps and top 2 in sustain dps. the thing got overbuffed. Should've kept the same fire rate and give it full auto trigger

[dreamy valve]

hmm can't tell is Ouro or Dark Winter is better now

[shy willow]

Killer is still rng but 90 percent crit damage is juicy

[crystal token]

anyone got an updated pesti build would love to check if i can put it together rq

[hexed steppe]

youll probably be looking for max weapon damage still for pesti. i imagine highend crit build with contractors, glass, vigilance. im not sure it it interacts with ongoing directive. btw, before someone swoops in to correct me about OD, pesti proc wont count as a status

[crystal token]

ok so the same HE build that we’ve all been using for the past 2-3 years should be fine

thank you!!

[hexed steppe]

yeah. its too bad it doesnt scale from striker or hb stacks. i would definitely try it on od since is got a big buff this season.

[crystal token]

Alright will probably have to obliterate my stash to store more pieces

[hexed steppe]

do you have all 4 agents made? the 3 alts bags can be used as extended stash space

[latent grove]

So how's the new season shaken up the meta and stuff?

[rich cosmos]

Lot of things are strong

[dreamy valve]

some builds are now very powerful, near Determined + HH kinds of builds now

[latent grove]

Hrmm okay

Maybe I'll move off my eclipse iron lung set then

Try and make something better

[dreamy valve]

Im trying out the new Pestilence with all high end red. Does more damage than Ongoing Directive 50% amp damage imo

[latent grove]

Oh OD is 50% amp now?

[crystal token]

that’s true but i keep forgetting what goes where LOL will try it out later

[crystal token]

ooh send a pic

[dreamy valve]

My build is missing a red core and totally unoptimized, but its doing 1.5 mill ticks

still shreds everything

holy crap, Im in the target range, and the tick damage keeps transferring from one target to the next infinitely due to the high tick speed and damage

[past river]

Yep. Only applies to you tho, no one else in the group.

[past river]

Let’s have a look.

[onyx sage]

it does scale with OD

[onyx sage]

the weird thing is the OD chest doesn't affect it

[past river]

I’ve basically got the same build

[dreamy valve]

@crystal token

Im fishing for a red Backbone

[past river]

Second piece of Petrov might not be a bad shout actually

Might try and get a holster

[dreamy valve]

The build needs the extra handling imo

so this build can already infinite tick loop the target range

[past river]

I’ve had a W&H piece on it but no harm in having WH.

[hexed steppe]

shame, lacking 6 bluecores

[dreamy valve]

I got one I was testing with Mosquito a few minutes ago

[past river]

Good pistol imo.

[dreamy valve]

warning: The reflect damage from the Global modifiers will kill your OP builds

[crystal token]

easy just dont turn em on 🤓

[dreamy valve]

yeah. but I cant control the host when join

[past river]

Me personally was thinking of having a HS build with HH/Vigilance, Heroic 5 directives. Have some MM focused Modifiers and you’re in for a ride.

[crystal token]

i do wanna try em tho after i get the other ones from prio

[dreamy valve]

yeah probably the one shot headshot builds would bypass it

[past river]

Mhm. Just how I like it killing people with headshots.

[cerulean smelt]

pesti won't give you bleed bullets for OD

[magic pilot]

Read the end lol

[cerulean smelt]

must've added it after i replied lol

[fresh fox]

doesn’t if you one shot them i think?

i didn’t notice any reflected damage when it should have happened

maybe i’m blind

[cerulean smelt]

nah, might be right. how can it reflect damage if dead?

[sullen sun]

Did HB get a buff?

[magic pilot]

Yes 10%

[sullen sun]

Does scanner pulse amp that?

[cerulean smelt]

that's HB gimmick isn't it?

[sullen sun]

?

[cerulean smelt]

different numbers since the change today right?
"Heartstopper
Headshots apply pulse 5s.
Weapon hits on pulsed enemies add and refreshes a stack of +1% bonus armor and +1% damage to pulsed enemies for 5s. Max stack is 50.

Two stacks are lost per second."

[sullen sun]

Did not know that

You mean Heartbreaker right?

[cerulean smelt]

is that what you meant about HB getting a buff?

[sullen sun]

Yes

Does scanner pulse amplify that?

[cerulean smelt]

don't think so since all it does is show what's around you people wise

[hexed steppe]

i didnt edit that in
i knew someone would want to correct me saying pesti is a debuff and not a status, like usual 👴

[dreamy valve]

Whats the difference between the Harvest and a regular reformation talent?

[tulip charm]

Less rof more damage

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, but the perfect talents is a tad different in some way. bigger percentage, less gimmicky

[tulip charm]

Also its baked into the gun and not a talent

[cerulean smelt]

like the thing taht comes to mind less gimmicky is normal talent you have to get 3 kills lets say for a 5% damage increase. the perfect can be 1 or 2 kills for that same damage increase or just a tad bit bigger increase

[dreamy valve]

oh, the M16a2 has the burst fire eww

[dreamy valve]

looks to be the exact same talent

[cerulean smelt]

yeah because they're both exactly the same......

you can never get a perfect talent in your library and what you pictured is a talent that's in your library

if they changed the percentages but here's a side by side of the normal and perfect talent you pictured

[dreamy valve]

the left is the harvest and the right is a random regular pistol

[cerulean smelt]

then they messed it up and put a regular talent on it instead of the perfect talent

[dreamy valve]

ok so im not crazy then

[cerulean smelt]

the voices in my head doesn't agree and think you're crazy, but i never listen to them anyways (> <)

[dreamy valve]

I might just stick with my M700 Carbon instead of switching back to White Death. I really haven't noticed any large damage gaps between the two

[cerulean smelt]

hmmm, sheets i've loooked at doesn't have harvester in it. so no clue what it's supposed to be

[kindred mango]

The Harvest can have any talent

[cerulean smelt]

ah, video shows it's a higher base damage and slower shooting

[dreamy valve]

whats special about it then?

[kindred mango]

I farmed one with dttooc on it so I could rerolll the talent

It has a damage buff

[dreamy valve]

i guess enough to be the new D50?

[kindred mango]

Yeah it’s stronger than a D50 I think

[dreamy valve]

Im feeing the slower reload of the six12, yuck

[cerulean smelt]

i couldn't say. don't think i've really used it other than attempting to find a use for one of the named items? and was like yeahhhh, into the stash you go or i turned it into parts for another thing XD

never got the harvester so i couldn't say, totally forgot about trying to get it lol

[kindred mango]

It should come back when they run the winter holiday event. Loot goblin was supposed to drop it but it was bugged and he didn’t lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah supposedly, but didn't we have to be at a certain point in that mooncake project too?

[kindred mango]

Yes ran the last project for capturing the control point on multiple characters each day until I got a good one

[dreamy valve]

damn the D50 nerf really screwed over Liberty too

[peak spruce]

the harvest is special because it has a higher damage amount in general then the revolvers of the same type, the talents on all harvests are normal talents that you can reroll. There is jo perfect talent on any harvests.

[dreamy valve]

do you know the exact damage percentage they added?

[peak spruce]

The server just restarted and I logged off. But you can look up videos on why the harvest is diff

[onyx sage]

it's all in the base damage

[peak spruce]

yeah

[onyx sage]

just take 256545 / 233223 and you got your %

[peak spruce]

it has a much higher base damage than say the other one with perfect determined on there... i forget the name

[tidal rivet]

Umm hey i am kinda new here so i need some help regarding the division 2 as you know that the division 2 is free this weekend from 31 oct to 4 nov so i wanted to know that if I downloaded the game during that period will i be able to play the campaign whenever I want or do i have to buy it again after the weekend

[peak spruce]

@tidal rivet it will not let you log on after since you dont own the rights to the game

[dreamy valve]

Prophet, bad gun anyways

[peak spruce]

yeah, thank you

[cerulean smelt]

right? too bad we don't get the perfect determined on like the Deagle

[tidal rivet]

I only want to play the campaign mode though not the pvp one

[cerulean smelt]

you'll be able to play the campaign PVE and PVP during that weekend

[peak spruce]

@tidal rivet after that weekend you have to buy the game or it wont let you play at all

[cerulean smelt]

think november 5th midnight you'll never log in again until you pay to buy the game

[peak spruce]

But fun fact, it always goes on sale

[cerulean smelt]

if you're patient enough. Black Friday is coming up

[peak spruce]

and theres also the ubi subscription for like 15 a month

[cerulean smelt]

i feel black friday they might offer the base game + NY expansion at 15 or just a little over

[tidal rivet]

Oh 🥲 i thought it is getting free like breakpoint when it got free in 2021 but i was not able to get that during that time 🥲

[tulip charm]

Base game gets wony for free now

[hazy steeple]

Nope, just Lvl 40.

[tulip charm]

Eh

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, just need base game to go from 1-40, but if you want the NY stuff you still need WONY

[tulip charm]

Base game gets wony now

One endgame update changed it

[hazy steeple]

I'm fairly sure you still need the DLC to get the Skills and such.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm with rivens.
you need base game and WONY

[cerulean smelt]

but if you don't care about the wony stuff you can just buy base game and still hit 1-40

ah ok, so they did bundle them it looks like

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to say that technically I'm right, since you are still getting WONY with it.
woo, loopholes!

[cerulean smelt]

didn't think they'd ever do that though. they want money so i figured you get base game, then you pay another amount for wony XD

[hazy steeple]

Well that was the case from March 2020, up until that change.

[cerulean smelt]

but 10 right now? that'd be cheaper than that ubisoft game pass plus thing it seems

[rich lotus]

I love Division 2!!!1!!1

[round zinc]

buying the game gives you the dlc now tho

[hazy steeple]

Yes we've covered that already, thanks.

[gentle lichen]

Entire game for 10 bucks?

[round zinc]

entire game for 10 buck

[gentle lichen]

MAYBE i'll see what it's about

[tulip charm]

One of us!

[tawdry flare]

new meta ar

[worn mango]

Famas go brrrtttt, never defeated

[magic pilot]

If you OC then yes

[worn mango]

@magic pilot anything sticking out to you since update or status quo?

[magic pilot]

I just finished my building my pc last night so I'm gonna check everything out in game today

[hexed steppe]

they didnt mess up, harvest doesnt come with a perfect talent. kinda like whitedeath

[wheat anchor]

Harvests special talent is purely passive, which makes it good

[chilly vault]

which rifle yall think i should farm for since they're automatic now? i currently use an ACR SS

[worn mango]

Nice. OD is great but that's no surprise. I believe it's status quo with some other shenanigans going on

Lowkey new holster with Striker's is just fun. Giving 20% weapon damage and fire rate to your primary with all that handling makes everything a laser beam

Tried using the holster with OD but the amount of faffing about was not worth it

[magic pilot]

@versed summit

[magic pilot]

Yea probably too hard to manage the hollow points

I'll probably swap Elmo off most of my builds

Even though it's the only gun on pc I'm at 20 expertise lol

[spark valley]

EB is new elmos

[hazy steeple]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[sullen sun]

OC?

[magic pilot]

Overcharge

Pulse with OC is a 15% amp affected enemies

[dreamy valve]

Which AR is the most usable now? Shield Splinter, Railsplitter, or Burnout?

[fresh fox]

they are all usable?

[versed summit]

Sig is the best overall IMO.

[dreamy valve]

Anyone tried a Negotiator build?

[versed summit]

Not yet tbh. Not a lot has changed

[wheat anchor]

Personally I've been using the LVOA

Ranger is a must have talent though

With the long range modifier stuff dealing more damage, and that one passive buffing damage per constant body shot, I'm hitting 3 million on body shot crit at long range

[dreamy valve]

What’s your solution for the long range reflect

[wheat anchor]

Reflection only happens if you hit a reflect enemy at mid range

Either back off to get long range, or rush them close range

[dreamy valve]

I find myself in mid range a lot in missions

[wheat anchor]

Either rush or back off

Rush more so if you run crus shield

Rushing is more so risky if those modifier enemies with the fire/shock rounds are alive

[dreamy valve]

Players still not understanding the mechanics and dying while shooting, and that’s with the host who turned it on

[wheat anchor]

Then they should read what they do

Theres a button in the modifier menu that lets you view the seasonal enemy modifiers

[dreamy valve]

I’m going with a cqb bruiser for the pug missions

[candid night]

@urban latch are these two builds viable after nerfs to all of them weapons & gear-pieces. taken from your evernote striker-build page

[urban latch]

Absolutely still top tier

Dark winter is a really good option now for primary weapon

[candid night]

im still setting up red starter build. dark winter will be whole another grind-fest

[magic pilot]

Neither of these 2 builds really changed much with the new patch, just new crit distribution