td2-build-advice

[hazy steeple]

It's important to remember the rule of Countdown: your build will probably work even if it sucks, but only in Countdown.

[fresh grove]

The type of builds I see in countdown sometimes make me cringe

[cyan drift]

I only really do heroic countdown, and typically only heal, cause there's so many gung-ho people

[mint axle]

Ninja bike with improvised gear

[hazy steeple]

That's the thing, a full team and you can afford for 3 of them to bring absolute trash.

[fresh grove]

Or 5 piece cavalier

[hazy steeple]

NBB levels of bad.

[cyan drift]

I enjoy the ninjabike bag for its creative potential

but its usefulness can be dubious, unfortunately

[gloomy spruce]

What do they run instead? Yaahl is one of the best for a first roll haz pro especially with the hollow man. Do they run a regular yaahl piece somewhere?

[hazy steeple]

Cav.

[gloomy spruce]

Red cavalier?

[hazy steeple]

My own hazpro build is a frankentein's monster patchwork of nightmares, but I understand the kids these days build it with cav as the focus.
You'd have to ask one of the builds nerds, I'm afraid.

[gloomy spruce]

How much of a patchwork of nightmares could it possibly be? I'm the idiot, who on a whim came up with a yellow striker ninja bike drone and turret abomination, that would have me cursed on this channel 8 ways to sunday, if I ever dreamed of posting it.

Really, how bad could this thing be?

[magic pilot]

2 pc cav for the raid build

You don't necessarily need yaahl for it anymore

[tawdry flare]

HazPro uses 3pcs 5.11

[rich lotus]

I do play CQB. I have read that Hunter's Fury would be a great build with it. If that's true

[fresh grove]

Think uzina does too

[lone lion]

Is the backfire exotic ok?

[dreamy valve]

Will be one of the strongest dps weapons next week if not already

[lone lion]

no way? With what build? strikers now?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah strikers

Stack building for the Backfire will be cut in half with next update, so ramp time to max damage will be considerably improved

You’re just going to need the bleed immune on your build

[lone lion]

whats that?

[fresh grove]

It’s hazard protection mainly due to the talent giving you bleed on reload

[lone lion]

ohh i see i thought you meant for stacks

[urban latch]

Which will make it not the strongest...

[dreamy valve]

One of the strongest, there’s other viable weapons of course

HH determined still more efficient in some content for example. I think someone in the dev team plays HH determined as I think that’s why it hasn’t been fixed or will ever be fixed

[vestal ibex]

lol imagine a dev being like "oh no not me determined"

[onyx sage]

someone in the dev team playing determined? i'm so cooked

[gentle lichen]

Next update no need to charge shot or pop helmet to headshot

Simply look at the enemy and they'll vanish

[onyx sage]

they'll buff perfect determined to be that, watch

[vestal ibex]

Perfect determined in a future TU-"After killing an enemy with a headshot the next shot landed on any enemy will be a guaranteed headshot. While the talent is active your bullets become homing and do direct health damage."

[onyx sage]

on PC it also has a 6400 DPI requirement to activate, you have to 360 while shooting

[shy willow]

Mom get the camera

[solar sable]

360 y y

[cyan drift]

Friendly reminder that there is Yaahl at the clan vendor again this week 👀

[atomic lily]

Anyone know what sets I should pre farm for next season? I basically only have a St Elmos build with striker and negotiators dilemma sets.

[hexed steppe]

nego gonna be getting stronger. from what i gather ongoing directive will be a lot better also

[rich cosmos]

Umbra, aces and eights, ongoing directive

[atomic lily]

Thank you Both, if anyone else has any more advise/info on what I should farm/do that would be awesome. Im basically a noob that has most of their Core and normal Attributes maxed while know basically nothing about anything. I think I have a Ongoing set too and like half a hunters set.

[hexed steppe]

hardwire also is getting buffed if you like the idea of seeker/jammer spam

[radiant reef]

Needs more work (new character so tech spec isnt levelled at all), but I think with tech hive, could be awesome

[radiant reef]

Henri might be a better option for damage buff

[fresh fox]

could use a lot of work yea

[radiant reef]

By my math if I’m running artificer and 0 mods on the drone, and aegis at 8 star it should be blocking at least 92% incoming damage

[onyx sage]

damage reduction from separate sources don't add btw

they multiply

so it's gonna be way lower than 92%

[hexed steppe]

does artificer even buff the damage reduction. i thought its just repair skill health, increase uptime, increase damage

[onyx sage]

yeah it doesn't

[radiant reef]

Increases up time of the defender

[hexed steppe]

thats irrelevant to this statement then. why i mentioned...

[radiant reef]

Hmm interesting. Will have to check it out on a fully developed character to see how well it can truly perform.

The initial testing seemed solid however

[latent grove]

So I've been running a basic striker build with an LMG because I love them but yeah would it be better to use heartbreaker set over striker or some other set?

[magic pilot]

HB more tanky less dmg

It's about what you need tbh

[latent grove]

Ah okay I think I'll go Hb then because yeah strikers is nice but I'm too squishy sometimes

[cyan drift]

vendor reset this week:

[hexed steppe]

Best week to craft yaahl since itll take a lot and you can max out again after finished

[vestal ibex]

No mention of habs from you guys. Sadge.

[ocean turtle]

Few weeks ago I got bk into the game been watching YouTube videos on builds few them old one do they still do there job or what's best builds

[solar sable]

yt builds suck.
Creators often don't give all details about the builds they share, almost all of them have more limits than uses. Oh, and avoid NinjaBike at all costs.

Check the 📌 Spreadsheet in this channel for more build info and guides.

[ocean turtle]

Lol I'm currently using that lol why avoid it

[vestal ibex]

You are under the assumption that NBB unlocking extra brands/gearset bonuses is good but the loss of a backpack talent and single brand it provides is greater than 99% of all NBB builds.

[solar sable]

Talents like Vigilance help more than Ninja

[vestal ibex]

You really just need to compare what NBB gives with it's unlocks to what you miss out on with the talent/brandset/gearset talent you miss out on.

[ocean turtle]

No problem

[snow dome]

Guess who

[vestal ibex]

What even is this aim...

[magic pilot]

Console

[solar sable]

Not the aim, but the sensitivity is just too low...

[solar sable]

I play on console and I have better aim 😆

[urban latch]

High sensitivity does not mean better aim, that's an aim issue

[hexed steppe]

Is there a hsd handling HH chest or vigilance bag?

[daring tinsel]

What’s up yall, what’s a good marksman rifle build

[solar sable]

Hotshot
I'd suggest High End for PvP only but I don't really know if this is true at all

[daring tinsel]

Are they decent builds for solo pve heroic or above

[wise swallow]

high end is even pointless, just use hotshot

[solar sable]

4pc Hotshot
Chainkiller Chest
Airaldi backpack w/Vigilance

Everything rolled to Weapon Handling and Headshot DMG

[solar sable]

Yeah absolutely

[solar sable]

ty, just needed this cleared

[daring tinsel]

So using all 6 pieces is better than 4 piece 2 high ends?

I was using hotshot with determine to get headshots and maxed headshot damage

But iM missing the chest and backpack lol

So is doing ok dps lol

[solar sable]

Wdym 6pc? 6pc gearset is just pointless.

[daring tinsel]

Odder said high end is pointless

4 piece hotshot, 2 high ends

He said no lol, am I tripping

[solar sable]

6pc gearset is also pointless
You don't get any bonuses above 4pc

[solar sable]

We both meant full HE

[daring tinsel]

Oh ok

[wet flower]

What pieces should have WH and/or HD

[wise swallow]

headshot is priority

weapon handling on pieces with a second attirbute

unless your doing some niche blind fire thing

[wet flower]

And if the BP talent doesnt go well with me what other talent can i use?

[daring tinsel]

the spreadsheet is amazing, wow

LZ stands for?

[formal turtle]

What spreadsheet?

[daring tinsel]

its pinned to this channel

[formal turtle]

Oh ok thanks

[daring tinsel]

its for builds

[tulip charm]

Light zone

[daring tinsel]

Thank you

[patent compass]

Hello does anyone here play as Technician?

[gentle lichen]

What do you wanna use it on?

[patent compass]

I basically use it for everything tbh

[hexed steppe]

you would roll a mix of both, ideally you would want 100% stability through a mix of handling rolls, and stability mods on the weapon. 100% stability means no scope sway when you ads, and handling will help accuracy and reload. i would start with stability mods on the weapon so as much space as possible is able to be rolled hsd. make sure to use the hsd scope and sharpshooter for extra hsd/stability.

[wet flower]

Thank you

[vestal ibex]

Just habs in the vendor in New York.

[halcyon moth]

I’ve been using 3 pieces future initiative and 2 piece hard wired with the ninjabike messenger bag. I play solo so it gives me a little extra to work with without sacrificing too much. The bag acts as an extra gear piece for every gear brand you have equipped. Try using 3 of what you mainly want to build into and then 2 of another brand that works well with your main build. It’s definitely not streamlined but for solo play it’s been working for me

[vestal ibex]

I mean for solo play you can literally have half your build be level 1 gear...

"working for solo play" should not be considered a measuring stick.

[hexed steppe]

if youre a solo player, then you could run memento in place of ninja. ninja making hardwire 3pc is unlocking 15% skill damage, 15% haste, and 30% repair... if you had memento stacked long buff would give you 30% in all Skill Buckets™️ . after charge it only requires a trophy pickup every 5 minutes... short buff pickups would actually double your skill attribute returns to 60% in all Skill Bucket™️ ... not to mention the regen, bonus armor, and weapon damage. in groups you may be lacking some trophies, but solo, youll stack them really quick.

memento by far is the hardest working single item in the game 💯

[halcyon moth]

W description. I think I might have memento. I’m gonna check when I get home. If it’s better than what I’m using then I’ll really be shredding. I just got elmos engine and with the seasonal event its carrying very hard

[daring tinsel]

chat, what's a good way of farming the chestplace chainkiller

[vestal ibex]

Countdown challenging, TL walker&harris. Ez

[marsh river]

dunno if this is already known but i discovered a bug with hot shot set.. if u rack up to the 4th consecutive shot bonus that restocks ur ammo after each shot, u can swap to the signature sniper rifle and retain the buff and it will restock ur shots for theoretical infinite ammo (until you miss)

ah ofc it doesnt work now that i try to reproduce it but it happened during a mission.. i spammed like 20+ shots ..

[magic pilot]

Reminds me of olds tips

[patent fossil]

Golden bullet also refills your ammo on kill when you have the buff

[marsh river]

ohhh, ok so thats what happened then, lol. nevermind

randomly found the White Death with god roll and determined.. dont mind if i do..

[hexed steppe]

There is one thing you can do with hotshot that isnt intended afaik...
While in combat headshots on dead npcs will stack/maintain your buff.
Handy if you drop buff or need a reload

[marsh river]

wat lol

[placid latch]

What !!

Really ?

[onyx sage]

if i could get a dollar for every possible interaction with dead NPCs i would have around 10

[patent compass]

Whats the best way to farm for Exotic weapons

[placid latch]

Probably play countdown, accumulate Countdown monay and buy exotic cache

Try to do content that unlock specifically exotic in order to increase your exotic loot pool

Such a Nemesis projet or finish Raid/Incursion

Keenly College allows you to get a Diamonback

Summit give you the first time you finish 5 challenge a Capacitor

[hexed steppe]

Diamondback will drop without kenly

[placid latch]

Yeah but if Kenly College is up, it's nice to try the content and get an exotic at the end

There is also the Vindicator locked in the Descent

[orchid helm]

Hallo

[hexed steppe]

How long does kenly take? I'm sure 2 countdown runs are faster

[placid latch]

Definitly

That's by the way, that's the first recommandation I made: play countdown

[hexed steppe]

Your next point was unlocking exotics to increase the loot pool.
But dont need kenly to unlock diamond back.
That's what I was responding too

[patent compass]

Thanks man

[silk nest]

He didn't say you need it.

[hexed steppe]

Try to do content that unlock specifically exotic in order to increase your exotic loot pool
Such a Nemesis projet or finish Raid/Incursion
Keenly College allows you to get a Diamonback
Summit give you the first time you finish 5 challenge a Capacitor

it was mentioned in between other exotics that do require a project to complete to be added to the exotic loot pool, without any type of clarification... easy to be interpreted as misinformation regardless of the intent.
#td2-build-advice message

[silk nest]

He just mentioned some extras that can be acquired without rng.

[hallow grove]

Hey guys I am mostly a solo survival based player, I do (chall +100%) activities to level and just wanna fine tune the build I have with mods (dont wanna farm gear more at this point). This is my build. Would you say increasing crit damage is the way while reducing crit chance to balance it and where would I allocate shd points ?

[vestal ibex]

3 pc strikers?

That's your first point to address

[hallow grove]

the reason is i saw a youtuber say that stacks take longer in smaller fights

like or never really

cuz the encounter is alr over

[silk nest]

If you are not wearing coyote mask and play solo, chc should be ~58-60%, "balancing" for higher CHD and less CHC is not really optimal. Until you level up more would not worry too much ofc.

[vestal ibex]

Then just use high end items and take the extra attributes/gearset bonus.

[hallow grove]

and my belstone pieces seem to sweet to give up for that😀

[silk nest]

Step 1. Don't bother with youtubers.

[hallow grove]

hm so i would have more consistant but less damage with 52% ? i saw this reddit post with a formula which i used and I got a higher number with chd

[vestal ibex]

Gear set items trade a gearset bonus and attribute line for powerful 4 pc unlocks. You are just super nerfing your build on two fronts.

[vestal ibex]

I think you need to fundamentally look at your build vs min maxing it tbh.

[hallow grove]

its less consistant cuz of lower crit chance but seems to hit way harder at times in shooting range

[hallow grove]

i just have good talents on belstones and too lazy to farm smth else, barely have upgrade matts too so

[vestal ibex]

Well I'll just answer your crit question but it's not going to imporve your build to a noticable point.

[hallow grove]

so how does this striker stack really work

[vestal ibex]

Crit works on a 1:2 ratio up to 60%(50% if you are gonna use coyotes mid buff) once you hit your target of 60% or 50% the rest goes into CHD.

[vestal ibex]

Shoot stuff mo damage.

Mechanically it's that simple.

[hallow grove]

i would also get less armor if i put a striker i think ? or can i do smth about it

[vestal ibex]

Strikers build guide.

[hallow grove]

oh so its for each hit damn

i got fooled before 😀

like an actual bullet

[vestal ibex]

I'd read the guide top to bottom.

Honestly if you have concerns of armor/damage ratio then check out heartbreakers too.

[hallow grove]

i did get all red striker before and my armor was cucked, since i try to push for chall +100% content for leveling i rili need that armor 🥹

[vestal ibex]

Next season it's getting a large buff.

[hallow grove]

yea thats effortful, i just wanna nobrain grind levels now

tired of lootfarming 🤪 but good point on striker

[vestal ibex]

A good build will enable you to farm and most builds take 1-3 countdown runs.

[hallow grove]

thanks i guess ill try to see if i have one with armor roll

im actually fine farming now just wanted to see if i had stupid build

and thanks for opening my eyes 😀😀

[latent grove]

Heartbreaker or strikers is getting buffed?

[vestal ibex]

My previous message was about heartbreakers.

That is a screeny of the PTS notes. Actual numbers may vary.

[latent grove]

Oh so it's just a . 3% buff?

[vestal ibex]

Stacked up 100 times if you wear the chest.

[latent grove]

Oh true

I guess I'll grind that out a bit more

[tulip charm]

It got changed to 1.1 for pts 2

Not 1.3

[daring tinsel]

what's the best way to farm for the chainkiller chest

[tulip charm]

Countdown challenging tl: walker

[placid latch]

Thanks for defending me. To be honest, that wasn't perfectly accurate but I wanted to say he could get some exotic without relying on RNG.

[vestal ibex]

*Updated patch notes

Ty funpolice

[latent grove]

Oof

Still an okay buff though

But also now that I'm thinking about it since I am in LOVE with Iron Lung I think I'll do something for that instead. Can't use the laser sight that's good for HB :/

[gentle lichen]

You can headshot but not all enemies have heads so tough luck

[versed summit]

IMO the bigger buff is weapons like M4, P416 & C7 being more competitive

[vestal ibex]

IMO the bigger buff is the friends we make along the way.

[gentle lichen]

Bighorn is on another level

[gentle lichen]

What friends? The voices in my head are enough company

[latent grove]

I like LMGs for a reason lmao I am not good at aiming

[pliant prairie]

just pulled iron lung from the manhunt, it looks so cool and fits with my theming and really makes me wish i could transmog its look onto Pestilence

[pliant prairie]

big dakka my beloved

[latent grove]

Yeah it's one of the cooler looking exotics in the game

I'll probably run it with OD or some mish mash of high end stuff to give it more shots and better reload

If only I didn't miss out on ninjabike DX

[pliant prairie]

same with backfire for the SMGs, just a shame i cant really think of a use case for it

[dreamy valve]

I lost the link to the updated changes, would you mind sharing it?

[versed summit]

Y6S2 PTS Patch Notes - Phase 2

[pure trench]

someone have like 1.5m armor pfe still doing 1m scorpio to show me?

[dull ermine]

Can you use thorn / like glue to break feisers backpack as tank?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[vestal ibex]

DCH is pretty easy to do that.

[pure trench]

backfire is getting buffed

[dull ermine]

Yea I’m looking for other things that can do it tho

[pure trench]

so we see

[dull ermine]

Scorpio can do it / and acs with brazen

[vestal ibex]

Uh idk if some of those options will change here in just a couple days tho.

Might be of consideration.

[pure trench]

someone have like 1.5m armor pfe still doing 1m scorpio to show me? i ask again

[dull ermine]

True, anyone know if ravenous can be used?

Not sure if you’re supposed to hit it with red primer or blue

[pure trench]

ravenous is utility

armor plates

chungas, dogs, tanks

[dull ermine]

I meant for feiser backpack

[pure trench]

everything with just a health bar

[tulip charm]

I mean you should be using it throught the raid no better option for tanks

[vestal ibex]

Most use it but just for the bonus armor it gives, idk if it can crack his pack.

[pure trench]

tactics are out ther in yt, arent they? speed runs, one shots

latest too

[dull ermine]

I’m asking bc sometimes my dch doesn’t work and also I have to use it on alpha rocket lady to get rocket in time

[pure trench]

so go ask where you supposed to ask

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like you are doing more than your own job in the raid.

[pure trench]

guys please

stop spamming here

[dull ermine]

This is the right place lol

[pure trench]

im asking for a build

its not lol

[vestal ibex]

Bro is asking for advice on his fieser tank?

It's build advice.

[pure trench]

so tell him: this or this

someone gonna answer my qustion?

[dull ermine]

Yea I was having some trouble last night - power kept going out, alpha was dying

[pure trench]

its all there in the spread sheet

if you have trouble, youre doing it wrong

[vestal ibex]

It's probaby gonna come down to brazen shotguns really. I'd just check which has the highest mag damage as that's your best bet.

Bro is helping FTCs is what it sounds like and he is having to carry well over his fair share.

[dull ermine]

Double barrel it is 😂 gonna have to try it

[vestal ibex]

thump thump

[pure trench]

helping FTCs and doesnt know what hits harder in IH?

you done?

so again:someone have like 1.5m armor pfe still doing 1m scorpio to show me?

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKgbCAWeAGEr1sx9AuBqJo4QBOADi0uypwHZwoH5IUq3sdIBWB6CV6oJoteTduI7dR-CbOQ4wkCglL1gXUOqJcI6lYJxCjWQ3PYLTx3FaxA

I pinged you in the other server while you were busy harassing the other people getting help

[marsh dome]

Anyone got a build for a dude who just hit level 40 a while ago?

[vestal ibex]

These are the build guides I'd recommend, you can also find them linked in the pinned spreadsheet. If you give more info on prefered playstyle it'll be easier to say which build might fit it best tho.

[pure trench]

okay, thank you. its basically what im running rn with a couple of core switches and the mas is badger

[magic pilot]

Catharsis works well too but dmg will fluctuate

[gray canyon]

I need a pvp build for the dark zone and a good armor build if you guys can help me out my pan name is James-VX-9

[marsh dome]

Thank you

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned guide

[dull ermine]

I tried it with thorn, was able to cancel twice, but need 7 shots and that takes you to right before he detonates

All pellets need to hit

[vestal ibex]

yikes

[dull ermine]

I feel like the like glue would do better bc fire rate, will have to try

[rich lotus]

Boomstick trust

It works no joke

[dull ermine]

Talent?

Optimist or brazen

[rich lotus]

I remember when hotshot came out we were making fieser tank builds with it cause you could perma keep the bonus armor. Think you still can. But yeah we used a Boomstick to break the bag

I forgot the talent name but its the one where you get WD from reloading

[dull ermine]

Pumped up

[rich lotus]

Yep that one

@stiff folio has thoroughly tested breaking fieser pack non conventionally 💀

[dull ermine]

Nice 😂

The one problem I’m having now is I can’t shoot codes anymore loool

Shotgun in one hand, d50 charged up, ravenous 😂

[rich lotus]

You’re soloing the encounter oh no

[dull ermine]

Sometimes yea lol

[rich lotus]

Ahh

[dull ermine]

Last night I was checking alpha, bravo and Charlie codes

[tulip charm]

man you need to tell your group to pick up their own weight....

[rich lotus]

its a skull drag meta rn

Dammm

Then again there isnt much of an active playerbase of veteran players to teach newer ones cause massive dont care 🙂

[tulip charm]

arrow are you atleast in gcrock?

[rich lotus]

Gold build gang

Nice!

love being the medic build lol

[dull ermine]

I am

[tulip charm]

medic build
Doesn't have BTSU

[rich lotus]

I more focused on health not speed

[tulip charm]

👺

group wide OC is insane

[rich lotus]

Tell the btsu to do that I don’t think so

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich lotus]

Btsu got nothing on me

[magic pilot]

1.7m repair but striker build has 900k armor......

[rich lotus]

an?

[magic pilot]

You have 800k wasted repair

[rich lotus]

not for me bruuu

[magic pilot]

Wdym

An all red build that you are healing for has less than half your repair

[rich lotus]

I’m a healer??? Uh? I group play 100%

[magic pilot]

Yea, a red build has 900k armor roughly

You heal for 1.7

You see what I'm saying?

[rich lotus]

ok??? What the problem?

[magic pilot]

You are so focused on repair skills it's not actually doing anything

[restive spruce]

I run 1.2m armour on a striker……

[hexed steppe]

1 healer, 3 foundry group

[magic pilot]

He's still 500k over what you would play at

[tulip charm]

😂

[rich lotus]

Idc…

[magic pilot]

I'm just saying, you can get more out of your build by swapping some repair skills

And you did post in the build advice so that's what you are gonna get

[rich lotus]

I just showing chill

[magic pilot]

I'm responding back with the same energy 😁

[rich lotus]

lol cool?

[hexed steppe]

I would definitely btsu if not already

[rich lotus]

Thanks but I’ll pass

[hexed steppe]

There is no negative. Resetting team cooldowns can come in handy... it plays right into the team play along with the opportunistic

Also missing out on another group buff by not running scorpio

Or survivalist

[magic pilot]

OC pulse ^

[rich lotus]

I have opportunistic an empathetic resolve

[magic pilot]

Both great talents

[rich lotus]

I’m running the Scorpio

[hexed steppe]

Was refering to this. Maybe its not what you're using then?

[rich lotus]

sorry I didn’t have it equipped

I was using thron

thorn

[hexed steppe]

Survivalist would give team another amp to stack into opp and scorpio. You would need a yellow core setup or swap 2 improvised for like yellow picaros and 2nd ba piece to maintain 6 skilltiers

[rich lotus]

so your saying I need a new setup backpack with a yellow core

[hexed steppe]

If you want to make a switch to survivalist and still have 6 skilltier

What are you gaining on the improvised, repair skills mods?

[rich lotus]

I’ll show u

[hexed steppe]

What do your heals look like if you replace 2 of the mods. Basically if still overkill on healing without the mods then the improvised isnt needed and you could get away with 2pc ba + survivalist.

And still be 6st without having to refarm a bag

[rich lotus]

I can cry the bag np

Craft

[hexed steppe]

Fair enough

[rich lotus]

So I’ll change to survivalist

[hexed steppe]

I use the same type of damage buff stacking on my cc eclipse build. It's really strong with the right team 💯

Throw on a sledgehammer pistol to take advantage of those survivalist nades as well 😍

[rich lotus]

Kk

[fresh fox]

as long as your hive is above 400k its fine

[magic pilot]

Exactly

[fresh fox]

yea but you were focusing on the wrong heal

[magic pilot]

Chem launcher is more important with randoms imo

They don't know how to stay in the hive or they use shields in it

[dreamy valve]

What do you guys think of the Police MK17

[tulip charm]

one of the better rifles

Last time I used it was during the rifle meta

[magic pilot]

I never used it tbh

I heard LWM4 was good with the full auto

[tulip charm]

I’ve tried the lwm4 with aces but I wasn’t impressed.

[past river]

Never really used it, wouldn’t really use it. Classic M1A is my go to, that hits hard.

[versed summit]

MK17 is actually better atm

New MK17 is getting a mag nerf though so meh

[past river]

Damage wise, does it beat the M1A?

[versed summit]

On burst and sustain

lower base damage is the only caveat, but that's not really a huge issue unless you're headhunting in weird scenarios

[past river]

Gotcha, well regardless M1A will always be for me. For sure gonna using it when the new update drops. As expected damage is always there for most rifles, but some lack unfortunately at least for my playing experience.

Boomerang is a great pair up with the M1A lol.

[versed summit]

I'd definitely recommend the MK17, it handles incredibly and works well with boomerang.

There's not really a reason to choose the M1A over it, but if you like it go for it

[past river]

Agree to disagree, we all have our preferences. So for now, the M1A is the better option for me. All about how we want to use things, it's how I see it being as its the only real rifle I've used really cause well its nice for me XD.

[versed summit]

Yeah the only reason to use M1A over MK17 is preference.

[past river]

Exactly. Which is why I said it 🤣.

[tawdry flare]

@magic pilot what are the stats for Pestilence?

[past river]

Off-topic, but 10/10 name.

[mild loom]

What’re the builds people use for solo legendary ? Not speed run but would appreciate any links/directions on some solo legendary build ideas

[past river]

I personally use an all red striker build with obliterate, coyotes mask, have an EMP at the start for the johnny 5s and then decoy for some parts too.

I did that for my very first solo run on DUA, took about 35 minutes.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah most people use what speed runners use. Full red strikers.

[tawdry flare]

Thanks

[past river]

This ^^

[tawdry flare]

Hey soul what are the stats for pestilence?

[vestal ibex]

yes

[past river]

I play on the PS5 so its different for me, a little bit.

[tawdry flare]

Pestilence has yes stats

[vestal ibex]

I think most solo legendary runs will count on how well you can utilize your personal skills to do solo legendary tho.

[versed summit]

4 pc striker, Coyote's and Ceska gloves.

all CHC/CHD, all red.

If you want something more conservative, you can take Memento with either a ceska chest, or ceska mask/Gloves/Holster/knees

and maybe add a couple blues.

Toastey has made a phenomenal guide for solo legendaries and goes over builds in those guides

[past river]

^

[past river]

This is very true as well. Who to target first, and then when to move etc.

[vestal ibex]

I'd give @rapid summits lego guides a watch tho. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsWWMwQ4VU9474CUa6zvQdfJsDVAau2U2

[mild loom]

Sorry what’s decon

[past river]

Meant to say decoy lmao.

[mild loom]

So - no use of nego or armor regen builds ?

[past river]

I'm gonna give this a watch too. Thanks.

[past river]

Nego is ok, like that's not the best option. I sometimes use a PFE build which allows me to clear out the floor with little to no issues.

[versed summit]

ND can be good, but typically it's not as good.

regen just takes longer

A lot longer

[past river]

Yeah.

[mild loom]

Ok thx , I’ll focus on striker

[past river]

Ofc.

This is the build I ran, but I didn’t actually use the Coyotes mask. I use a Grupo piece instead. Which seemed to make my job a lot easier. The specialisation is really preference, I have sharpshooter on because of the stability it gives but I generally use gunner or even firewall for that matter.

[harsh dagger]

If it works, it works

[past river]

Facts.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah people have cleared DUA legendary with grey gear.

[past river]

Wtf lmaooo.

[vestal ibex]

Vid for reference

[past river]

Another possible way of using a build on Legendary runs. Usually better in a group setting if anything. 80% PFE.

[harsh dagger]

Here's the build I'm currently rocking atm.

Ongoing Directive Gear Set with Backpack and Chest.
Firm Handshake for Status Effect boost.
Vile Exotic Mask.
The Apartment SMG (Preferably anything with Measured, like a Vector)
Carnage LMG.

[past river]

Ongoing Directive is fun.

[harsh dagger]

Ongoing Directive + Vile + Carnage = BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[versed summit]

Why measured?

[harsh dagger]

Rate of Fire

[versed summit]

Not really helpful over just taking Sadist

[past river]

I'd personally use the Iron Lung cause of the status at the end, then a weapon with Sadist.

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure trading CHC/CHD rolles and brands nets way less damage than status effects.

Wait why did you show this? Advice or?

[harsh dagger]

Okay lemme help.
Measured on its own reduces damage by 30% at the top end of the mag.
If you have Ongoing Directive WITH chest, the ammo boosts weapon damage by 35%.

Meaning you bridge the damage deficit of Measured.

And next season, the chest perk is supposedly getting buffed to a 50% damage increase with ammo

[versed summit]

Just run sadist so you're getting 20% more damage always(basically)

[harsh dagger]

Believe it or not, I just realised I had Carnage this week and decided to give it a go

Carnage has Perfect Sadist for 25% against bleeders

On top of the bonus damage with OD

Before Carnage, I was using a KSG Shotty with Pummel

Next Season, I'm planning on making an Aces and Eights Hybrid set with NinjaBike Backpack

I'm thinking 3 pieces A&8
NinjaBike Backpack
And 2 gearset pieces to get bonuses granted by NinjaBike, Breaking Point maybe?

[vestal ibex]

I'd steer clear of NBB...

[past river]

It’s only useful on certain builds I’ll be honest.

I only use it on like 2 builds.

[vestal ibex]

The bonuses it gives are less than having a brandset and backpack talent.

[past river]

Yeah

[vestal ibex]

In like 99% of all builds. NBB only gives a good trade off in niche dumb builds typically.

[harsh dagger]

I'm considering it, doesn't mean it'll be a certainty

[past river]

I'd much rather use the Momento.

[harsh dagger]

So A&8 w momento

?

[past river]

Well, it depends. Are you pairing with HS and WH everywhere?

[harsh dagger]

Dail up internet noises with those initials I'm afraid

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you are making a solo heroic build to mess around I'd probably mention that tho.

[past river]

Headshot Damage, Weapon Handling.

[vestal ibex]

This build advice channel usually aims at providing advice to give you the best builds so if you are more theroy crafting messing around I'd just mention that.

[harsh dagger]

Considering the intention is to take advantage of the full auto weapon changes, yes

[past river]

I just checked, the builds I use the NBB on is striker with 2 Brazos for PVP, then my Cavalier healer build lol.

[vestal ibex]

Cav healer....

[past river]

1 sec, let me see if I can find a build for you.

[past river]

Yeah mean its very good lol, it keeps teams alive with the right people.

Uno momento.

[vestal ibex]

idk what to make of this.

[harsh dagger]

Tanking is an artform

[past river]

Its not tank based, its healing based.

[vestal ibex]

It's something.

[past river]

I copied it from a good PVP player I play with, and he says its one of the best healer builds out there. Keeps people alive for a while.

Tried and tested, its true lmao.

[harsh dagger]

Outlast the enemy

Clever

[past river]

Mhm.

[vestal ibex]

I think we all have a different measure of good but I'd take @magic pilots advice on PVP builds as I don't PVP much.

[past river]

Yeah teams have it differently depending on playstyle for sure.

[harsh dagger]

Important question for you guys

How cursed is this build?

[past river]

Um. What the lmao?

[vestal ibex]

It's got HH so it'll work.

[past river]

Yeah ^

[harsh dagger]

This build is like if Hunter's Faith and Lone Star in Division 1 had a baby

Hitting an enemy means swapping to the other weapon reloads it

[vestal ibex]

Well with HH it's easy.

[harsh dagger]

Double White Death too

[vestal ibex]

If you don't wanna reload just put 4 pc hots and if you don't wanna aim use determined.

If you wanna hit like 30 mil use vigi airaldi backpack and model 700.

[harsh dagger]

The purpose of this build is cursed energy, the kind of build where someone sees it goes "What the hecc is this?"

[past river]

Does the job nicely.

[vestal ibex]

I mean use some grey gear then.

You can chain sniper kills with just a chainkiller and all grey gear.

[harsh dagger]

Okay I'm curious here. The Tac Drone

[past river]

Spots enemys, I use for open world on Heroic with 5 directives.

I'm not entirely sure why I have a seeker on this build, I'd use a decoy instead.

Oh wait, I used this for PVP in a different variant that's why.

[harsh dagger]

It's gotta be better than bomber drone tbh

[vestal ibex]

Have you used determined before?

it's 100% a broken talent and should be nerfed.

[past river]

Ah, yeah lmao. Bomber drone has gotta be the most pointless thing in the game imo at least.

^^^^^^^^, especially within a PVP environment. I was in the DZ one day, I had GC on with Vigilance and once I got my determined I was popping people like it was NOTHING.

[harsh dagger]

Yes, Maybe I should consider using it for my A&8 build next season

[past river]

Its very cheesy to say the least, but man it is fun once you know how to use it and make people rage hard lmfao.

[vestal ibex]

It just trivalizes everything about the game.

Most people, myself included, don't use it for that reason.

[harsh dagger]

Back to my OD build, I'm now thinking about swapping The Apartment. Any recommendations?

[versed summit]

If you're intent on keeping an SMG, which I wouldn't recommend tbh, I'd take a MP7

[past river]

^^

MP7 on a striker build with 2 Brazos and measured is pretty decent.

[versed summit]

Eh

[vestal ibex]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't measured a DPS loss overall? Something about the firerate vs weapon damage?

[past river]

It is, but I can change the talent.

[versed summit]

No it's a few % increase

[past river]

Optimist would be ok.

[versed summit]

It just doesn't beat any real DPS talents

[past river]

Actually, I might have to change it now lmao.

Optimist with Striker isn't a bad shout instead.

[vestal ibex]

Ah okay. Maybe I'm thinking of an older iteration of it or something.

[versed summit]

If you're running Brazos strained would likely win. It doesn't matter though

[past river]

Oh one step up, you right lmao.

[vestal ibex]

Blue builds-optimist. Red CHC/CHD builds-strained.

[harsh dagger]

My intent is to use a weapon to take advantage of Ongoing Directive

[vestal ibex]

I have plenty of mag damage to one mag someone on a CHC/CHD build-fast hands.

[versed summit]

Well personally I run a scorpio for status affects and then I run F2000 with Sadist. You could optimally run an AKM. You want a high mag damage weapon with OD. I'm not a big fan of OD or those weapons personally

[past river]

Solid?

I'm unsure if the MP7 is getting a buff amongst like every other weapon.

[versed summit]

Didn't realize this was full blue. Optimist should be better here.

I just don't recommend running this though

[past river]

I've been running this for a while and had no issues lmfao.

Not the same with the MP7 tho.

[vestal ibex]

Well the easy way to put it is it's good if you utilize it correctly.

[versed summit]

Well sure, it's just not worth the Burst DPS loss for mag damage

[vestal ibex]

Also if you play against uhhh poor performing people in the DZ typically.

[past river]

Correct.

[versed summit]

iKia made a video about why this isn't worthwhile, there's just better things you can invest in

Also why not just ouro?

[past river]

Yeah, I mean I used a Fenris UB CP with the Eagles Grasp and I liked it.

[vestal ibex]

Moss no give it bro

[past river]

I want to go away from that, I'm getting bored of it.

[vestal ibex]

I've killed him like 800 times this week yo

[past river]

💀

[versed summit]

Just keep grinding 😤

[past river]

What would be the best way to run it nowadays? @versed summit

I've ran it like 3 different ways lol.

[vestal ibex]

gonna spend like 3-4 hours today don't worry bb

[versed summit]

Off hand, keep SB backpack and run Coyote's and sokolov

[lone lion]

is the Sacrum Imperium sniper any good?

[versed summit]

It's not

Cool name tho

[fresh fox]

for a gun with a word that means “absolute power” in it, it is extremely weak

[rich cosmos]

A lot of exotics in the last year or more have been poorly designed

Even the ones that are good are poorly designed

[versed summit]

A lot have been underpowered or stat sticks

Iron Lung is good tho

[fresh fox]

yea he’s cool

[rich cosmos]

Iron Lung should have more rounds

[versed summit]

Eh

It's pretty stronk already

[rich cosmos]

Just give it like, 10 to 15 more bullets

Not enough to really change it but enough to make its talent more worth while

[versed summit]

Eh I guess

[rich cosmos]

Besides, so many exotics need buffs

Iron lung compared to others is fine

I personally like bluescreen though

I think bluescreen is well designed

[versed summit]

Bluescreen got an RPM and reload buff so it's looking like the best sustain LMG outside of the BK, with solid Burst

Seems all right to me now

[magic pilot]

i run something similar but i prefer FI over cav if im healing

i run 3 FI, ninja, 1 foundary, and 1 brazos

the reason for this is you can squeeze out more armor, which stops shotguns and some mmr from one tapping you

[past river]

ER with that right?

[magic pilot]

not sure how good the cav setup would be without running the bp since its so strong

[magic pilot]

yep

[past river]

Could you send a picture of your setup when you can? Might see if it suits.

[magic pilot]

healer

if you run with just pistol out you get an extra blue core potentially, but then you are only useful for sledge and healing. sometimes can be worth

[past river]

Gotcha, and you heal pretty well with this right?

[magic pilot]

yea its solid, group gets FI buff as well

itll be weaker when fighting a lot of status

[past river]

Gotcha.

Thanks

[magic pilot]

im actively talking about this in another discord as well so if i have anything else i found out ill let you know

[past river]

Thanks man, yeah would be appreciated.

[lone lion]

is the merciless any good?

[magic pilot]

not atm

its going to be full auto next patch so at least its useable

[magic pilot]

i have a healer build ive never tried but looks interesting if you want to give it a shot for me

6 skill tier, 1.8m armor

[versed summit]

I think it's one of the ones that won't be

[past river]

Can do, shoot it over.

[magic pilot]

oh rip, disregard what i said it sucks @lone lion

[magic pilot]

tank healer

[lone lion]

damn had my hopes up

[past river]

Damn, a lot going on here lol.

[magic pilot]

has the same repair skills as the 4 FI version (besides FI talent) with more skill haste

[magic pilot]

yea its kinda crazy to look at, but it should be super easy to get since you dont have to recore anything

[carmine obsidian]

Whats the best method to get the momento backpack…trying to get ut in the summit for 5 days now and no luck…any other methods?

[tulip charm]

Countdown

[magic pilot]

Momento @onyx sage

We got one

[onyx sage]

decent against rouges in... decent

[carmine obsidian]

Tried it too…guess my luck is just bad

[versed summit]

It's just RNG

[hexed steppe]

Red alert ‼️

[slate harbor]

so i just finished the build of FI healer, i want to know how to play this sets and can i use this build for solo pve like take out control point

[versed summit]

It's a support build, you're not supposed to play it solo

As far as playing it though, there's a lot of things you should be doing

1. Pay attention to your teammates health
2. Pay attention to their skills and overcharge your hive when helpful
3. Shoot as many enemies as possible with Scorpio
4. Prioritize applying sledgehammer to tanky targets and bosses.

[slate harbor]

ok thx

[magic pilot]

OC will be super useful in coordinated groups during missions

I would definitely looking into some "casual speedrun" videos and look at when they OC and what skills people are running

For example DUA opening area it's common to have the 3 dps players run cluster seekers and then OC right after first use

[rich lotus]

YES PLEASE DONT OC AFTER THE ENCOUNTER IS OVER

and don’t base your OC off of someone’s Revive Hive going on cooldown that logic is so fkn braindead

[magic pilot]

They shouldn't even have reviver

Raiding is different ig

[hexed steppe]

Fk them teamates, I only oc to get my mortar back

[neat kestrel]

@solar sable is this decent?

i never learned anything, i just started playing and do whatever works

[solar sable]

Sort of
If you want to use rifles try Headhunter

[magic pilot]

You want us to be honest?

[neat kestrel]

yea

ofc

[solar sable]

Breaking Point is a meh setup

It's trash

[magic pilot]

It's pretty bad

[neat kestrel]

ahh okey

[magic pilot]

What content are you looking to play, and what kind of build ideas do you have?

[hexed steppe]

Nego really good for rifles

[solar sable]

shush

[magic pilot]

Nego number 1 fan is here

[hexed steppe]

Soon to be aces as well

[neat kestrel]

no idea, just want to play the game longer, i just did almost every mission and i was wondering what kept players keep on playing after they did everything

[hexed steppe]

Nego is 😍

[magic pilot]

Legendary missions, raids, incursion

Events are a big draw

[neat kestrel]

i like the elmo engine a lot

[magic pilot]

And helping newer players

[solar sable]

we sometimes just run and fk around

[neat kestrel]

did that a couple of times

was fun

[hexed steppe]

You misspelled sacrifice

[neat kestrel]

whats a good one?

[magic pilot]

That's only in DZ 😉

[solar sable]

nego fits so well with rifles

[magic pilot]

Main gearset builds next season are probably going to be striker, nego, or OD for an easy full auto play style

[solar sable]

I'm evolving

[neat kestrel]

i never really found good loot in dark zone

[neat kestrel]

ahh okey

[solar sable]

you can still get this season's builds and they'll work just as fine

don't listen to yt creators saying that Striker's is obsolete because it's not
Just a slight nerf and that's it

I already heard someone saying that

[magic pilot]

The striker nerf is like if a gun does 1 billion dmg and they reduce it by 1 million

Since they reduced the HB buff striker will still be stronger iirc

[hexed steppe]

You know what's not getting nerfed next season?

[magic pilot]

Nego

[solar sable]

PLEASE

[hexed steppe]

mortar

[magic pilot]

Bru

It's already nerfed it's a div 2 skill

[rich lotus]

reruns of old seasons and manhunt bounties are what motivates me to log on everyday!!!!1!!

[onyx sage]

okay buddy

[rich lotus]

• descent

🤢

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus Tone it down.

[rich lotus]

sorry ma'am

[violet basin]

Strikers is mainly for certain raid applications, legendaries, and incursions anyway. A tiny nerf to it to bring it more in line with other stuff isn't the end of the world.

I still feel the other sets are still extremely lacking in efficacy, minus providence.

[solar sable]

Nego????
That doesn't count as lacking

[past river]

For what?

Nego on Legendaries won’t really work if you can’t play it right.

[wise swallow]

yes it will

[onyx sage]

it does very well lol. it was the go-to before striker

[wise swallow]

my dumbass has cleared 75% of legendary solo with nego

[onyx sage]

well it still is now but people just run striker too

it never fell off

[surreal depot]

But I fell off

[onyx sage]

no i did

[surreal depot]

Can't clear legendary with nego anymore

[past river]

Yeah, lol.

Gotta be in the right positions to use it, so it depends on how you play. No one really uses it cause well when you have striker it kinda throws it out the windows sometimes.

At the end of the day, it’s all about people’s preferences too. Some would use Striker, some would Nego or not at all because of how to play with it.

I never said it fell off fellas lmao, maybe you did but I was just saying in general it might not work for the average player lol.

[onyx sage]

we never talked about how it fits the average player. there was a world before striker buff and that's what people ran

if everyone never got out of their comfort zone to learn how to play strong sets we'd all be using turret drone

[surreal depot]

My comfort zone is ninjabike

[hexed steppe]

tbf, the positions you would use for striker would also be the same positions you would use for nego.
nego is more than capable of out damaging striker. someone not being able to understand/use the talent doesnt mean the set is faulty, its the agent where the issue lies.
i agree that a good amount of agents gravitate to striker because it excels in single target damage. the second you have 3 or more npcs spawned nego will be capable of higher potential damage.

[short cobalt]

wat would be the best pve build with the bullhorn currently or should i just wait til the update next week to make a build?

[tulip charm]

Just throw it in any dps set.

[short cobalt]

ight

[past river]

I agree with you. Yeah I’ve never really used Nego on Legendarys but I’ve seen others use it with like Focus and Vigilance and say it’s quite good.

[past river]

As you’ve repeated, of course man there will always be something before Striker was as good now.

[past river]

I can help you with the door 🤣🤣.

[magic pilot]

I always used focus/coyotes with ND backpack but some ran it like that

[onyx sage]

focus with ND chest 🤨

[past river]

I’m sure he meant the bag pack lol?

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm just messing with him

[magic pilot]

I'm smoking on some "blue zushi" rn so bare with me

[past river]

Oh he’s on that stuff

We get it 😂😂

[magic pilot]

Yea my bad🤣

[past river]

Since this conversation, I might have to try out Nego on Legendarys. Lol.

I’ve only ever used it through Dark Hours.

[onyx sage]

it plays a bit differently, but it's really strong. just don't play as aggressive with it

it kills dogs really fast

[magic pilot]

You see it really shine in the smaller dense areas like DUA

If you use it with Elmo it ends up being better to drop coyotes for Fox and run ceska obliterate chest

Elmo crit is so high

[past river]

I get you. Yeah

[magic pilot]

It's like 1% stronger but kinda nice to not have to manage the range for coyote buff

[past river]

Yeah I mean only reason why I originally hit it down the first time during this convo is because like I never really seen videos on it. So that’s probably why I was like “nah foo”.

[onyx sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eodMSBTGhoA this is 4 years ago

[magic pilot]

Striker is just so strong that even though Nego is really good for leg too, it just can't keep up with striker

[past river]

Oh definitely. And I’m pretty sure it also holds a place somewhere in PVP too.

[magic pilot]

It can be strong in big fights

[onyx sage]

one other reason is back then we had focus viability, but with the focus synergy nerf with shield ND loses its strongest chest talent while striker still has chest

[magic pilot]

True

[onyx sage]

the next best option is ND with intimidate

[past river]

Right

Ooo yeah

[magic pilot]

Even with having to run a bonus armor bp??

That means no coyotes or fox too

[onyx sage]

i mean just in chest

[magic pilot]

Ahhh ok

[onyx sage]

you'll lose out overall

[magic pilot]

So spotter or obliterate is the closest talent in realistic dps

[onyx sage]

actually, i think obliterate nerf might balance it out

intimidate is 1.42 while obli vigi is 1.45

ND backpack is a bit more complex

[magic pilot]

I think if you are using ND you gotta fully go for it with the BP

[past river]

I’ll check back in the morning on this topic, I gotta head to sleep. But this seems very interesting to read already.

Peace ✌️

[onyx sage]

yeah you can watch the video i linked. that's basically how you play ND but without the 8x scope

[tulip charm]

rip shield peeking

also I feel so old watching that video

[onyx sage]

third person peeking: the future is now

but man the m1928 mag damage was good

[heady spindle]

Anything I should improve on?

[tulip charm]

Something like this. Hunters chest is bad.

[heady spindle]

dont have a good enough chest piece as of right now

but thanks

is it better to use a mask instead?

[tulip charm]

You need a better chest piece. HF just has pretty bad chest/backpack talents.

Everything else is getting ~60% chc and as much chd as possible and its upto you how much armor you want to run.

[heady spindle]

alr thnx

[gleaming pecan]

Any good builds for the dark zone 🤘🎮🤘🎮🤘💯 Taking all suggestions

[versed summit]

I'd recommend checking out the PvP starter's guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[tribal belfry]

Came back to the game and some time, anything I should improve on?

[tulip charm]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a/ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6

[mossy lake]

Anyone know a really good PvP and PvE Bighorn headshot build

[wise swallow]

PvE big horn headshot is ballsy

id use heartbreaker

[mossy lake]

😂

Ok cheers for both?

[wise swallow]

yea could use it for both. use more reds on the PvE build

[mossy lake]

Ok cheers

Any other good ones besides heart breaker incase I can’t be asked to get stacks

[wise swallow]

could also use big horn with a high armour regen and/or haz pro build

be horrible in PvE but good in Pvp

[mossy lake]

May try the regen one

Especially with it getting buffed could shove on buffed catharsis too

[wise swallow]

yea use cath on it

unless your getting constantly hit with fire, then swap it for haz pro piece of somesort

[mossy lake]

Will do thank you

[latent grove]

Is OD the best for an Iron Lung/dot build? Or would I be better off doing a mix of HE stuff for better reload/ammo?

[violet basin]

I have a VERY hot take.

In testing and just messing around, I have been clearing content WAY easier by swapping my contractor gloves for eagle grasp.

And generally. I DON'T like coming off those gloves. But the 15% handling and 70+ mags of f2000 and rpk feel SOOOOOO good

[magic pilot]

Eclipse

[magic pilot]

If it helps you hit more shots then yea it makes sense

[violet basin]

There is also the bigger mags at 60+base DO actually see a marginal difference

70 and 75 up from 60 and 66 are really comfy. And the reload speed added
Handling is such a loaded stat, but only worth it at certain thresholds/intervals it seems

[magic pilot]

The magsize doesn't do much for me, mag dmg should always be high enough to not notice a huge difference

[hexed steppe]

Why eclipse?

[magic pilot]

For DoT?

[hexed steppe]

It's a weak status tho. Probably better suited for procing od, no?

[magic pilot]

IMO iron lung is wasted with OD since you can't have both rounds if that's correct

[hexed steppe]

Does iron lung give burn ammo, or just apply burn at a certain point

[fresh fox]

burn at a certain point

[placid latch]

Eclipse is for the spreading Dot ?

Do you use the chest and the Backpack ?

[hexed steppe]

Spreading status on kill

[fresh fox]

for burn builds you use the chest

[hexed steppe]

For damage version, yes

[fresh fox]

if just crowd control then you do creeping death instead

something like this

[hexed steppe]

Opportunistic is good too for cc
*if use scorpio

[fresh fox]

ignore weapons

[magic pilot]

Then it could work well on OD but then you don't have sadist either

[placid latch]

So, Iron Lung + Eclipse

[hexed steppe]

Depends how you want to invest... on cc I can see it being ok, but cc is team based and scorpio is better suited from status application and debuff

Damage eclipse capacitor > iron lung

Jmho tho

[placid latch]

I never really used Eclipse gear

I did read Raucey evernote

I was just curious

[hexed steppe]

Its really good when used /built proper

I only ever use it in countdown anymore tho

[warped mason]

this is the build i use for dz, can anyone help with improve

[placid latch]

I guess Vile + Capacitor is better than Iron Lung

[hexed steppe]

Well the skill damage from cap will drive up fire skills damage, also the 12% dta of cap further increases fire damage

Vile ticks alone wont be a lot without a heavy burn to add to the damage

[placid latch]

Vile is just a bonus from what I can see

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, only really used on eclipse when the ep bag is also used

[ornate pier]

Hello, whats is the best tanker build?

What the masters recommends. ?

[placid latch]

As a joke, I'll say: take cover

Else: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1509999994#gid=1509999994

Look a the blue build part

[hexed steppe]

I think foundry bullwark is the goto tank.
It's kinda gonna slow down your progress tho since its low damage

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned guide for pvp

It's in the spreadsheet at the top in the builds category

[warped mason]

ok

[versed summit]

Assuming you mean a tank build and not a build for incursion Tanker, it depends what you're doing.

tanking isn't very strong so optimally you're running something purpose build for the content you're in

[bright vine]

hello everyone, who could text with me about some buildcrafting? I have 4 pillars..requirements..

[placid latch]

Are you talking about the Tinkering Station ?

[warped mason]

is this some kind of minecraft thing

[forest trail]

what's the best regulus build rn

[versed summit]

For PvE Either Headhunter's Fury or High End Headhunter. There's build guides in the pinned spreadsheets for both

[covert meadow]

Guys I need help with this hunters fury I'm trying to build is this ok ?

[onyx sage]

it's good

[covert meadow]

Ok ty @onyx sage

[magic pilot]

Could also run intimidate since you have memento

[onyx sage]

it's a decent momento build

[bright orchid]

Need help with Stryker build

Any advice?

[radiant reef]

Chest of choice with oblit (preferably one with weapon type buff) and coyote mask and 4 piece striker

[tulip charm]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a/ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6

[bright orchid]

What's the 1p Ceska??

[magic pilot]

10% chc (8% next patch)

[bright orchid]

Okay but what is it?

[wise swallow]

i dont get it

[violet basin]

Is there a list of the upcoming changes with the next patch?

[wise swallow]

#patch-notes

[rich cosmos]

?

Its a cheska piece

Cheska being the brand name

[bright orchid]

Ohhh mkmk

Thanks

[tepid notch]

should i change my chest?

[tulip charm]

No you should change your backpack to an opportunistic backpack ideally The Setup rolled as yellow.

[magic pilot]

And run technician for incursion or survivalist for basically everything else

Lefty as a secondary as well

[rich lotus]

FI bag is underrated

Works really well with repair traps 😎 👍

[mossy reef]

anyone have any tips or guides to make a DZ PVP build? I’m just scared i’d be overwhelmed with people using expertise lvl 26 builds

[solar sable]

check the 📌 Spreadsheet

[mossy reef]

thanks!

[dull ermine]

@vestal ibex like glue works better than thorn, able to do it more consistently but if feiser turns away from you, 💣

Otherwise it’s pretty effective… now onto boomstick

@rich lotus I’m excited for this one, do you guys reload when he’s wiping or have the boomstick already loaded?

Like glue you have time if it fails to do the d50 one shot as backup / vice versa if you miss

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah this was like over a year ago so Like Glue is probably 10x better LOL. Basicaly you would be dumping and reloading continuously like a crazy person so that you had max stacks when wiping

[bright vine]

I want to make two versions of a loadout/setup.. the loadout has 4 things as of the moment that I know I want to have and be able to do.
1: Run a memento bag
2: use an obliterate chestpiece
3: I want to be 100% immune, or at least 100% immune to disrupt.
4: I want to achieve skill tier 6.
I wanted to make a build like this. I wanted to write here and have anyone think on it and take their thoughts and takes into consideration. 🙂 thank you all and bless all your times today

[spark valley]

Is this a crit build or a skill build?

[violet basin]

So for the new named chest coming out, pairing that with versatile on the backpack, how well do we think 70% amplified damage on smgs' and shotguns is gonna go over meta wise?

especially with that exotic holster increasing fire rate, damage, and reload/swap speed

[spark valley]

Honestly don’t see heaps of potential for PVE, the bonuses are great but it just seems too finicky to take over at a lot of places.

Certainly won’t fill the hole that strikers+obliterate+elmos is gonna leave, if it even does fall out of the meta

[past river]

In my opinion, probably won't be great in PVE, as for PVP. I see it becoming a good thing to use, but not all the time. You gotta play it right and be at the right position, not all the time does everyone like switching weapons I don't personally lol.

Like @spark valley said, it won't fill the striker meta.

Gunslinger could be a good pair up with it I guess, I'd need to do testing when this update goes live tomorrow.

[spark valley]

Tbh I can see it becoming meta in PVP, I reckon there’s gonna be a lot of people getting around with m870s and ouroboros’ and rushing people, dumping a mag or 2 from one, and switching.

[past river]

Oh definitely, I can see it happening. Unfortunately, I'm too used to my all red DPS build with unbreakable in Conflict lol. It'll be a hard switch for me, but I'm willing to try out something new for whatever its worth.

[spark valley]

Maybe not meta for 1vX or applicable everywhere like double companion was, but it’s gonna dominate in 1v1 and especially cqb

[past river]

Absolutely.

Currently, its the same shit on console. People be using the usual builds, but I'm excited to see how this update will change some things around. I probably might make a new build to suit my liking.

More specifically, a rifle build.

[spark valley]

Automatic rifles are gonna be a game changer, for PvP and PvE

[past river]

Yeah for sure man, I can't wait. I usually follow the boss on Iron Horse when Morzova comes out. Making my Rav stacks to stagger her so much easier.

In addition to that hype, I'm looking forward to seeing the Special Report stream today.

[spark valley]

Oh yeah I’m certainly gonna try and catch that, Australian here though so uncertain about time zones

[worn mango]

I believe it starts in an 67 minutes

[past river]

Oof yeah man, flip timezones are not ideal for Australians.

[spark valley]

I didn’t have work so decided to stay up for Ubisoft forward, ended up being nearly 7am by the time it actually got to the division part in the post show haha

At least I got the masks to show for it, no one on Aussie servers has em

[past river]

Good god dude.

[past river]

Oh nice, yeah man.

[fresh fox]

don’t think it’s gonna be good for pve

perfect versatile will be good on sniper one shot builds though

[fresh fox]

shotgun players can already 2 tap or even 1 tap with like 5 armor cores, they aren’t gonna use versatile when they can do the same thing without it

[spark valley]

with a headshot, plus i dont mean existing shotgun players will change their builds up

[fresh fox]

not even headshot

intimidate + brazen

[spark valley]

more likely people using the ouroboros or other smgs now will run shotguns, dump a mag or 2 and swap to a shotty for a couple centre mass shots to fionish em

[spark valley]

100% honesty ive never seen this on aussie servers

[fresh fox]

or they just use adrenaline rush + intimidate

[fresh fox]

it’s popular on NA

[spark valley]

how does that work then, mustnt be 1 shot coz needa get brazen stacks

[fresh fox]

very consistent 2 taps

can one tap weaker builds with brazen stacked from a previous fight

[spark valley]

only shotgun builds i see are with the regulus and double barrel with either another duble barrel or m870

[spark valley]

stacks stay when out of combat? or need to stay in combat

[fresh fox]

as long as you don’t shoot or swap off the shotgun

[spark valley]

i see

not saying something like that would go extinct, i just think smg+shotty could def find a place in the meta, especially with ouroboros users post nerf

[fresh fox]

i don’t think it will

people would be using something similar

[spark valley]

what sort of potential do you see for it in pvp, if any?

ive never used any versatile/gunslinger builds, i only heard about em

[dull ermine]

What about rav stacking 😂

[rich lotus]

Oh the whole point was to not use rav lol

it was abusing hotshot bonus armor

[dull ermine]

Oh

[rich lotus]

we would use an svd swap

[dull ermine]

Ohhh

What about dread edict

[rich lotus]

yeah that worked even better but we got bored and wanted to downgrade further

I think this was also when open doors was still a thing so it made it easier 😛

[fresh fox]

non

[magic pilot]

It won't be meta in PvP

[rich lotus]

you guys dont see the vision

swap meta next season

[spark valley]

ONG

[magic pilot]

Div players already complain about skills and you expect them to learn how to time weapon swaps?

[rich lotus]

so true tho 😭

[violet basin]

You do the incursion often? Dps phases have you at staple ranges.
Brazen is getting buffed, and that on an acs is absolutely nuts. Pair that with ouroboros and that is gonna be sick
That 35% is amplified. The same as glass cannon, only 5% more. And you must be in their face. But also consider the fact it will be on BOTH backpack AND chest. 70% amped damage verus 40 from obliterate/vigilance. Or the slight bump up on strikers to .9 a stack instead of .65. The numbers speak for themselves here

[violet basin]

That is what I am saying too

[onyx sage]

he's a speedrunner

[rich lotus]

nah he folded yesterday

hes getting kicked off the ih team

[onyx sage]

he's a knower still

versatile being on chest does open up options if anything

[rich lotus]

guys the new holster is meta next season trust

[onyx sage]

it's pretty pog

[rich lotus]

we gonna have the tanker dps rotation 🔥

[violet basin]

Well that part i didn't know.

However I still wanna see the argument/logic behind his reasonings for it not being good for at LEAST the boss encounters in the incursion.
Though him being a speed runner, set swapping likely ain't for that scen as it takes time away from the run

[rich lotus]

destiny type shi

[onyx sage]

because striker chest or intimidate is still a higher amp

that's really what we care about

[rich lotus]

BUT THE HOLSTER WITH STRIKER 👀

[onyx sage]

versatile doesn't work with pistols either

[violet basin]

Full set example.

[violet basin]

Now this will be straight fire

[rich lotus]

Yessirrrrr

[violet basin]

That or heart breakers for those that like their survivability

(I prefer survival through genocide of my enemies)

[onyx sage]

what is versatile's value on chest again?

[violet basin]

35% if i read right?

[onyx sage]

all i see is perfect versatile named on backpack

nothing for chest

in pts2 notes

[violet basin]

I may have misread

Hold on lemme go check again

I got all excited because I misread. Faaaaark

[rich lotus]

guys just remember that roter blitz used gunslinger lady death in his DARPA speedrun and still holds record

3 years ago!!!

[onyx sage]

my uncle

[violet basin]

45% is the value on the backpack.

That is STILL kinda nutty especially when considering the holster.
You could likely run strikers set with those 2 and be able to manage the stacks fairly well

[onyx sage]

versatile is already stronger than striker backpack atp so

it's just a value bump

[violet basin]

Yeah.
Ouroboros still stays relevant

[rich lotus]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[spark valley]

striker stacks are skill confirmed?

[onyx sage]

yeah bro it's really hard holding this acs-12

i'm so skilled

[worn mango]

It just has so much recoil

[rich lotus]

youd be surprised

[worn mango]

doof doof doof doof doof

[rich lotus]

ok man

[onyx sage]

but like

[onyx sage]

why not run both

what is bro smoking with that comment

[rich lotus]

like idk how bad recoil is on console but pc should have 0 issue holding down the mouse..

[worn mango]

He heard it from his favourite youtubers favourite youtuber probably

[onyx sage]

bro doesn't even know the chest value changes based on whether backpack is equipped

[spark valley]

new backpack gonna be meta for strikers users so they get bonuses when they swap from primary to acs12 every 30 seconds

[onyx sage]

the chest value goes up if backpack is equipped

[spark valley]

to maintain their 7000 stacks from the chest

[rich lotus]

So how does my ninjabike fit into this build?

Thats what I thought

[worn mango]

3 piece striker, ninjabike, hollow man, picarros clearly

[onyx sage]

ninjabike's power is kinda trash in striker tbh. you want to put it on a 5p improvised build with aok mods

[worn mango]

New meta

[rich lotus]

omg my goat blackest bile

[onyx sage]

it's meta for emotional damage

[worn mango]

emetational damage

[spark valley]

unironically better than using striker chest at most content

id rather show a noob this

[worn mango]

I think improvised gear piece bonus is just hidden

[onyx sage]

it unlocks god mode

literally changes content from legendary to story

[worn mango]

And with 5x xp

[rich lotus]

no wonder!!

[spark valley]

hidden 5 piece bonus: monster dong

[rich lotus]

👀

[worn mango]

On a real note, are we expecting final patch notes today or is that going to be tomorrow with the update?

I just wanna make sure my numbers on my sheet are good before I go play something else

[onyx sage]

you'll see a link for patch notes

just stay updated

[rich lotus]

i cant sleep i keep thinking about the patch notes!1!1!

[onyx sage]

go play cod bro

[worn mango]

This

[rich lotus]

hoping they made uzina haz pro bonus 37.15% like I requested

i gave the best feedback

[spark valley]

patch notes are supposed to come out right after the stream

[rich lotus]

🤢

[worn mango]

I just wanna babyrage about Ouro is all

[spark valley]

#packwatch oreo users

[rich lotus]

rip bozo 😭

[violet basin]

Just use the new holster, you will be back to your old fire rate.

Though that DOES make me wonder now if the banshee is gonna almost tie it now with the 55 clip

[spark valley]

banshee getting nerfed

new pp bizon meta

🙏

[worn mango]

Unironically SMG-9

Our new overlord

[spark valley]

overlord meta??

[worn mango]

Why not both?

[spark valley]

i mean need to swap to get the bonuses

this is the smg+shotty meta i was yapping about

[rich lotus]

yes and the new holster has so many bugs you can legit perma keep a bonus by entering your inventory menu and swapping weapons in a specific order 😭

[worn mango]

That doesn't sound like shooting and getting striker stacks

[magic pilot]

Anyone else notice there's a new exotic chest