td2-build-advice

[quartz blaze]

After a few countdowns I didint get any exotic but still the countdown game mode is something new and insane farming method

[vestal ibex]

You know where the countdown vendor is right?

[tulip charm]

Most of the exotic drop from cd is from the caches in vendor

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal flax]

In what kind of build can i use the "Ammo dump" holster?

[quartz blaze]

Just the exotics cache right ?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[wide sundial]

Is this good for a heartbreaker build for the new update, or is a backpack with an actual talent just better

also is strained just better for AR talent or is flatline better?

[rich cosmos]

No

Those gloves are lmg damage no? You aren’t using an lmg

[wide sundial]

dmg to armor

[dusk forum]

I’d assume it’s for the damage to armor

[rich cosmos]

Still seems questionable overall

Assuming this is for pvp

[wide sundial]

at least when I used to play the contractor gloves and fox prayers are BIS and are usually just better than anything else

[rich cosmos]

If its pvp then I guess whatever

[wide sundial]

Nr pvp but can be,

[rich cosmos]

Then yeah seems quite questionable

Definitely don’t need that much armor for pve

[wide sundial]

it makes it so easy

especially with GB rn, but this is my current build

[magic pilot]

Are you building for PvP or pve? And is it headshot or crit

[hexed steppe]

The are bis when you have a lot of crit already. Hb is crit starved and not benefitting that much.
Ceska vigilance bag/coyote is top setup, at least till the balance pass next season.
I would probably flatline since you need to be pulsed to stack hb anyways and flatline is always on, no ramp up

[wide sundial]

im not that crit starved I got 53% currently

[solar sable]

CHD wise.

[hexed steppe]

Any build can hit a chc target. Crit starved means it has to use crit chance rolls which lowers the chd you have. Dta or dttooc wont be the biggest bang if the build is starved.
What's your chd on that?

You starve both further by not using ceska, btw

[hexed steppe]

So ceska vig/coyote will have 2 secondary chc rolls -12chc
Watch -10chc
Ceska -10chc
Weapon -15chc
This is already hitting 47chc...
1 chc mod or primary roll puts you at 53chc...

Your current prov vigilance setup
Assume 2 secondary chc rolls -12chc
Weapon 15chc
Watch 10chc
37chc total...
You're using 3 non maxed chc rolls to hit that 53chc, while cutting off the possibility of 24% extra chd. The contractors setup lowers your chd by 36% total if still hitting the same 53chc on that setup... that's what I mean by crit starved and why contractors/foxs not bis

Actually with catharsis it's way way lower
-# I'll see myself out now

[magic pilot]

-5 chc on gun for llp

The catharsis/contractors build would be great in PvP if you rolled headshot

[upper patrol]

Currently is there a better HH build?

[onyx sage]

that one is good already

there is no best hh build, it depends on what you want

[upper patrol]

I think i am using this for the easy dmg increase on the set + always HH with determined

bcs i am bad at clicking heads

Tried using regulus but yeah not that good at taping circles

[onyx sage]

then it's fine already

there are many hh builds that do different things, yours is good at maintaining bonus armor and free ammo refund but is only good for sniping

it depends on what you want to go for

[upper patrol]

Was asking because it has been a while since i touched it, probably years

[onyx sage]

it's still good

[upper patrol]

for the weapon, are there alternatives? wanted to try something different 😄

[solar sable]

If you want, next season SR-1 is about to get nerfed but will still hit hard, get that mmr I just mentioned

[upper patrol]

actually got one but has sniper scope, i assume it is worth to use it then?

[solar sable]

(This is the chart) Before and after the next season.

[solar sable]

Oh yeah, does it have DTOC?

[upper patrol]

Sorry DTOC?

ah cover

[solar sable]

DMG to Target Out of Cover

[upper patrol]

nop, i can try to farm one tho

got determined tinkered

[solar sable]

That's good
Next top mmr as the chart says, it's gonna be M44 huh

[upper patrol]

Time to farm one? 😄

[solar sable]

yep, I'm also farming it tonight

[upper patrol]

Still power plant correct?

[solar sable]

Countdown yeah

[upper patrol]

What build do you use to do countdown? I've been using striker with Oro

This

[solar sable]

Replace striker chest with Ceska and holster to striker
You'll hit harder and won't need to worry about stacking 200 stx

[upper patrol]

got that one too xD

[solar sable]

that's good

[upper patrol]

I see people using memento, is that worth it?

Not with striker build, just overall with another builds

[hexed steppe]

yes, it can be worth. you will be making a damage/crit trade off but it packs a lot of attributes into its talent

[magic pilot]

Doesn't hit as hard but yes

[solar sable]

I couldn't explain myself rn. I'm in class lol

[hexed steppe]

30% weapon damage, 30% skill efficiency (% in each Skill Bucket™️ ), 3% regen on long buff, and core dependent short buff bonus

[solar sable]

SKILL 🪣 !!!!

[hexed steppe]

mortar been getting all the love this week 😂

[solar sable]

I'll say something that may hurt
I don't have a mortar build 🧱

[hexed steppe]

i see a lot more cluster hw builds tbh. i think some find mortar hard because its fairly slow traveling... but if you know the spawns and the pathing its really easy to pinpoint it for solid hits

[upper patrol]

mortar build? xD

[solar sable]

a build which shoots explosive charges with the artillery turret

||that local technically owns||

[hexed steppe]

its a turret attached to demo class. can be built like a normal turret/drone build. can also go the unicorn route. there is a build guide in the sheet pinned here

#td2-build-advice message
-# what i use

[magic pilot]

Are you EU? Or night class?

[solar sable]

From Mexico, I study on evenings 😔

[magic pilot]

Good for you man

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2EAGFbUfegXAVlNKhLGIVphTrtGcTGBJU+dnHFGo+d88q7hyI9hTbGHbBodXiJxdIAdhhxowOALUTEPbDL27ZvXQb0oThoA is this good?

Reminder: this is not a pvp build

[wise swallow]

Decent youd prefer more blues for DZ tho

and chest sucks for pvp

seriously chest sucks for PVE

or am i mixxing up chest and backup

Yes I am, use the chest not the backpack

your also miles from crit cap

use ceska piece instead of foxes

[livid mesa]

K

[nimble pilot]

How much armor do you need for heroic content

[rich cosmos]

Depends on how much your dying

[onyx sage]

726k

[quartz blaze]

Did the eagle bearer get nerfed in about 1 year ?

Feel like it’s accuracy got downgraded massively

[nimble pilot]

Seems like two shots and I’m dead

[urban latch]

yes, although I dont think its handling has changed

[quartz blaze]

Why did they nerf one of the hardest to obtain guns in the game lol

[tawdry flare]

Armour

[rich cosmos]

Just because its hard to get doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be balanced

[quartz blaze]

But it should be a bit better then most other exotics that just randomly drop

[rich cosmos]

It is

Its talent is for pvp

[main socket]

Can anyone help me with with builds please when I get on

[tulip charm]

Just post them here when you’re on.

[main socket]

Post what

[tulip charm]

Your build? Or do you just want to know what to build?

[main socket]

Either

[tulip charm]

build spreadsheet in pinned comment.

Has plenty of optimized build in there that are good.

[main socket]

Is it updated

[tulip charm]

For now. Depends on the upcoming update.

[quasi geyser]

is the Ortiz: Exuro gearset any good ?

[livid mesa]

If you have and love the fire turret yes

[quasi geyser]

i was thinking of build using the pyromaniac and some red and blue cores instead of full yellow

[quaint imp]

Whats a good build to start with?

[placid latch]

For MMR: hot shot
For AR: Striker
For LMG/Rifle: Ongoing/Nego Dilemma
For Shot Gun: hunter fury
For Pistol: Foundry (I'm not well versed in those)

There is plenty of way to start with. You just need to find the build you like to play.

Those build proposed above come from my personnal taste

So what do you like to use or which play style do you prefer ?

I don't recommend starting with a SMG build mainly because you can die really quickly if you aren't aware of your surrounding and be quick to react while being at close range.

Lastly, if you like to play with turret and drone, use a skill build. Know that you will survive by not taking damage.

[quaint imp]

Thanks 😊

[worn mango]

Apparently grenade launcher grenades don't count as grenade kills, sadge

And I really don't wanna put together an explosives build just for grenade kills lol

[hexed steppe]

not really. youll get a lot stronger fire build using eclipse protocol with the ep bag and fire skills.

fire skills that arent a turret*

[worn mango]

Fire sticky and fire chem yeah

[crystal token]

running a Hotshot HHDT build, is pure headshot better over any crit stats?

[urban latch]

Crit is really not needed on HH builds. Just go headshot and/or handling for your minor attributes

[crystal token]

gotchu thanks again buildgod !

also what's a good sweet spot for handing (never really cared for the stat currently at 30%)

[urban latch]

The main thing is you want at least 150% had for headhunter with all your weapons. After that it's really just preference

A full stability build with 100% stability means zero scope sway, which is really nice

[crystal token]

ok so i could probably just lessen this

[urban latch]

Going full hsd% isn't bad either, it'll make building HH stacks easier since you'll do more damage at the low end, but it doesn't make much difference when you have full stacks

[crystal token]

true could be better when i accidentally lose stacks

cheers raucey thanks again!

[fiery meadow]

can anyone give me a direction on where to go from here i have tried to follow the spreadsheet's strikers build

i need to fix my weapon talents i think

[atomic nest]

Maybe a st elmo? If you like the shock. Also do you have chc and chd on everything

[fiery meadow]

yeah i do have chc and chd on everything however they are far from being maxed

[vestal ibex]

imo perfect build. It does take a bit of map knowledge/game sense to do very well tho.

[atomic nest]

Just focus on expertise, and recalibrate and optimize your shit to max

And try to take max mods and pit them I'm your table

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's just min-maxing and doing the 5x exp event to get crazy SHD levels

You've got three days so enjoy golden bullet.

[fiery meadow]

im not sure how to max them out im not to knowledged about optimizing and expertise i was trying to fill and make my library better

ill look up a video about it

thanks alot guys

[vestal ibex]

Most of your gear especially the gearset items will be just finding a max core and re rolling the attribute. There are other discords that have VC for you to find groups and get more help for end game content too.

[nimble pilot]

Help me build a one shot with 1886

[vestal ibex]

Put chainkiller on and stuff with rifle damage. Ez.

[hexed steppe]

chainkiller chest, determined 1886. foxs, contractors, prov vigilance bag

could add punch drunk and secondary a determined d50

[vestal ibex]

Gotta get that harvest yo

Yeet the D50s

[hexed steppe]

i have one, just havent done anything. is it that good

[nimble pilot]

Yeet Jay USO

[vestal ibex]

Harvest exp 20>D50 exp 26

[hexed steppe]

nice

[vestal ibex]

Next season it'll be a HUGE difference if PTS numbers go thru.

[worn mango]

I still haven't gotten a Harvest with DtTooC

They didn't fix loot goblin did they?

Also there was a lot of inconsistency I thought with using a pistol with the hotshot shenanigans. I guess I'm maybe not hitting certain damage caps like i am with the sniper

[hexed steppe]

he or hhf for pistol

he, youll still be solid on the mmr as well

[worn mango]

I'm actually not sure on those acronyms this time lol

[hexed steppe]

high end-he
head hunters fury-hhf

[worn mango]

What's the fury build?

I'm guessing you just don't use chainkiller then?

Or wait you need chain huh

[hexed steppe]

chain killer for sure. idk if they use vig or not

[worn mango]

I'll use vig on the backpack anyway

Let me give this a rip

[hexed steppe]

memento can work as well, itll be a little less damage

currently use this for d50/reg

[worn mango]

I guess hotshot only works for MMR huh

Forgot about that

[hexed steppe]

yeah, it wont benefit pistol, but itll probably still work because chainkiller and hsd rolls. youll be missing wd tho

[worn mango]

Yeah it just sometimes doesn't get one and you're stuck at nothing

[hexed steppe]

did you selectr all the right weapons in your spec of choice

[worn mango]

I'm proccing 16M on shot, how's that for damage?

I think 16.7M

[onyx sage]

you'll do a bit more with hf

[molten heron]

Hello guys, how are you ? I’m playing with a hotshot build with the White Death 🙂 what is the best sniper rifle for this build in your opinion please ? A better sniper rifle than White Death ? 😁

[onyx sage]

provided you're in range

[onyx sage]

currently it's model 700 family, srs family and sr-1

if next patch has no changes from pts, it will be white death and model 700

[molten heron]

Okay I will try model 700 so 🙂 Thank you for your answer 😁

[worn mango]

This pistol stuff is awful lol

[vestal ibex]

Bro M44 will be pretty gud too.

[onyx sage]

what's a m44? i only know white death

m44 carbon doesn't exist for me

[vestal ibex]

Not sure exactly which one they are talking about with just "M44" tho

[worn mango]

M44 is Classic M44 Carbine

CM44 is custom, HM44 is hunting

[worn mango]

I have all this stuff anyway so I'll give it a run

Yeah this ain't it once you get a heavy

[vestal ibex]

Being good at HH means you know how to deal with helmets/dogs/robots.

[worn mango]

If I'm trying to farm I don't wanna think. Hands don't wanna work

[vestal ibex]

You can also use DCH to curb this stuff too.

[worn mango]

When it works it works, but I'm probably just missing damage somewhere. My Hotshot build is optimized so I'll just use that

I just wanted something different lol

[molten heron]

Is the nemesis an option ? Is this sniper rifle good ?

[worn mango]

It won't have determined so it won't work as intended

But it's a fine sniper rifle as is

[molten heron]

Okay ty !

[vestal ibex]

Nemesis is the best sniper in the game(if you wanna talk top damage) it's a very satisfying sniper and it takes dedication and practice to be good with it.

[molten heron]

Okay I will try it

Btw just to know, with your hot shot build , how much damages hit your head shot ?

[worn mango]

Well you only need one headshot kill and then the rest can be body shot. But just from my stat page I have 1.267M weapon damage and 325.6% headshot damage

[molten heron]

Okay and when you hit ? I hit around 24million

[worn mango]

But I believe with full stacks and golden bullet I just got a 38M shot

[molten heron]

And what rifle do you use ?

[worn mango]

SR-1

[molten heron]

Which *

Okay nice

I will try different rifles

[worn mango]

I'll probably go to White Death, I just need one lol

[molten heron]

Is it hard to find ? I remember I found it fastly in countdown

[worn mango]

I find I haven't gotten many in the open world

Once I get all my shd for this weekend I'm going back into Countdown for MMR's

[vestal ibex]

Yeah what sniper you use isn't super important especially in solo, most of them have tons of damage and will do the job fine. Most take the SR-1 cause it's a mag reload, can have determined(cheesy headshot chains), and the damage is plenty at least for now.

[crystal token]

any funny builds yall can think of to incorporate this

[onyx sage]

it's probably good for pvp if you change weapon handling to chc

[crystal token]

didnt know they used this for PVP i always assumed it was unbreakable or nothing LOL

[onyx sage]

oh no perfectly efficient is goated for pvp

[crystal token]

not a frequent pvp enjoyer but ok imma take ur word for it!

[tulip charm]

Well it depends on your build since you can use for both crit and hs build.

[magic pilot]

Super common in pvp

[quartz blaze]

How can I increase my expertise level after reaching +1 to damage ?

[sharp gust]

The ideal way is to first mark useless items as junk and donate them under Expertise -> Donate All Junk. To farm items to donate play Countdown mode. And start with weapons first, you get levels quick.

[quartz blaze]

So if I donate assault rifles I can upgrade my eagle bearer with more damage ?

(I am returning player)

[vestal ibex]

Go ham with this exp event and golden bullet.

[sharp gust]

Yeah until you reach max expertise for those items you donated

Then you should focus on marksman rifles, shotguns, smgs, pistols etc. Just anything you pick up donate as junk unless you need it.

Right now is the best time because you get a ton of field proficiency caches, those have lot of shit you can donate

[vestal ibex]

Expertise level is increased by becoming proficient. You can become proficient by donating items, materials, or gaining kill exp while wearing/using the item. Right now there is a 5x exp event and golden bullet. You can use this event to help increase proficiency on items.

[quartz blaze]

Wow this game has gotten complicated in all this time 😭

[sharp gust]

I wish I knew about donating items 400 hours ago

[quartz blaze]

So like that’s how I am so far

I just lost all my printer filaments 😭

[urban latch]

My best advice is forget about the experience system for awhile and just let it level naturally in the background. For the stage in the game your currently at it's really not any concern

[quartz blaze]

I mean I basically have a near perfect dps build I am just missing the Elmo and a fully maxed expertise gun to add more damage

[vestal ibex]

Expertise system***

[rocky crescent]

When do Field Proficiency Caches start dropping? SHD level ~70 season pass ~75

[urban latch]

At 100

[rocky crescent]

Thanks

[dreamy valve]

Guys

What will be the full auto rifles to use for the new season

[hazy steeple]

Welcome from des2.

[upper patrol]

Build suggestion for CP + Directive farm on heroic?

[red island]

the oneshot sniper

[upper patrol]

HH?

[solar sable]

4pc Hotshot, Chainkiller and Airaldi Vigi BP.
Everything rolled to W. Handling and Headshot DMG.

[hexed steppe]

Hh - headhunter , refers to the chest talent but represents a few different builds that utilize it.

[solar sable]

Yep, just writing out the build

[rich lotus]

hi guys

best buil for 5x XP???????

[hexed steppe]

👆

[rich lotus]

no i wan BEST

not mid tier

[hexed steppe]

Headhunter cp farming. Everything else is slower

[rich lotus]

yeah but not with hotshot that shit is slow af

hh regulus or go home

[hexed steppe]

Do it up then

[rich lotus]

i did i was just poking fun at how many times ppl are gonna recommedn the same hh hotshot build despite it being slower than using your AR in golden bullet

[solar sable]

Wdym slow???
If you say it's slow you just can't hit headshots.

[hexed steppe]

Not really, no

I disagree

[upper patrol]

only thing i have differente is The Gift instead of airaldi

[rich lotus]

ur hitting headshot on a hotshot build?

[hexed steppe]

Determined make headshots largely irrelevant after the first kill

[rich lotus]

ur reg fires faster and has aoe

ur single killing ads with hotshot

that shit is slow

[hexed steppe]

Ok 👴

[magic pilot]

Why did they let him in

[hexed steppe]

I'm sure a regulus is gonna be easily accessible

It's good, no doubt... but it's not like everyone has it

[rich lotus]

💀

[hexed steppe]

Hotshot hh is easily available and quick to put together for a 3 day event

[onyx sage]

idk

why did uncle get in here

[rich lotus]

why did u end stream

biggest question

[onyx sage]

workge

[rich lotus]

yeah ur working rn buddy??

[onyx sage]

yeah uncle

[rich lotus]

u are older than me

[onyx sage]

ok bro

[rich lotus]

unsubbed and unfollowed

[onyx sage]

no pls come back

[rich lotus]

🦹‍♂️

[onyx sage]

why is that a builtin emoji

[rich lotus]

no idea LMFAO

discord woke

[magic pilot]

Tbf I would say a high end build is probably best for golden bullet

[rich lotus]

no bro hotshot crutch sorry I have to use HOTSHOT only cause overkilling ads is my specialty

[magic pilot]

Personally I've always thought hotshot was overkill

[rich lotus]

yeah esp in OPENWORLD

[magic pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894416491749990420/1289339651684962374/image.png?ex=66f8769f&is=66f7251f&hm=c5478ef654ae63f59b010c72f8073b63c3bc03dc2dccb617916ff4dba023c063&

This was honestly kind of a cool idea for golden

[red island]

it is, but its needed for some npc

[rich lotus]

on 4 man scaling open world farming CP's, what ad has that much HP

[red island]

bosses

also the helmet npcs

also the tanks

and the tank bosses

[rich lotus]

the helmet NPC's should take away ur HH stack so

[red island]

ye but then rebuilding it is awful

even a red bar can tank your shot if not stacked

[rich lotus]

like it's golden bullet why not just use an AR

[red island]

cause ar cant oneshot

[rich lotus]

why do you need to one shot? you can't even one shot a helmet NPC

a regular ad is 2 AR shots

to the body

[red island]

not on heroic

not on 4man scaling

[rich lotus]

oh mb i was farming on normal sorry

[red island]

not on 5 directives

[red island]

lmaoooooo

nah man, we farm max difficulty for xp

[rich lotus]

oh rlly

[red island]

no point in farming normal at all, your drop bad gear

[rich lotus]

oh crap

had no idea...

[red island]

yeah, thats why max difficulty is better

better gear, better rolls, better chances at exotics, etc

[rich lotus]

i farmed to 19k SHD doing normal tho

[red island]

basically : the harder the content the better the drop

[red island]

lol, u dedicated

[magic pilot]

He's trolling lol

Whaet is a speedrunner like dien, souless etc

[red island]

well thats stupid

[onyx sage]

i wish i was as good

[rich lotus]

DONT TIE ME WITH DIEN

[onyx sage]

ok uncle

[rich lotus]

I want nothing to do with that manning zoo farmer

[onyx sage]

i'm best zoo farmer NA

[rich lotus]

u are the only zoo farmer in the world

ur the only human being who has done zoo more than once a day

[onyx sage]

i'm not wrong

[shut skiff]

Any advice on which gear mods to sell just go to cap

[magic pilot]

Anything not max

And you only need 1 pulse resistance mod

I wouldn't keep more than 3 of any of the blue mods (6 PFE mods)

[shut skiff]

Wdym they’re all 40

[rich lotus]

max stat values

like 12% Crit Hit DMG

[shut skiff]

Ahh

Same for skill attachments?

[rich lotus]

yeah more or less

just wanna keep the highest and delete the rest

[onyx sage]

i can never get my god roll +1 charges mod

[rich lotus]

💀

they should make it +0 charges and the god roll be +1

[onyx sage]

so true

[magic pilot]

-1, 0, +1

[nimble pilot]

Any suggestions on what they use other than the memento

[rich cosmos]

Determined headhunter

Its a broken talent combo

Honestly momento is kinda useless here on it

Very unnecessary

[tulip charm]

Nah memento is actually sick for open world/cp farming

[tulip charm]

It would probably be chainkiller, foxes, 2 piece zwia which includes eagles grip and probably picaros(idk), last piece can be anything.

[nimble pilot]

: what bag

[tulip charm]

You can go vigilance or memento your choice.

[placid latch]

Memento give healing while Vigilance give instant burst

@nimble pilot I'll say: head hunter stack more nicely with vigilance when you start the fight but you need to roll on after that else Memento is more forgiving and allow you to have more consistent DPS

[rich cosmos]

I mean, is it really consistent when the enemies are dying before they can hurt you

[rich lotus]

I can't decide if the chameleon is any better than cold relations
They both kill just as fast at the gun range
Any thoughts?

I also got a god rolled ACS with preservation
What talent would go good with that?

[junior surge]

Strained or brazen

[shy willow]

use neither

[rich lotus]

Got no choice to, the only decent guns I have

[light meadow]

i guess cold relations for slight mag capacity

Having high magazine size can offset slower reload times, like with the Stoner LAMG machine gun. If one magazine can clear an area, a 5-6 second reload time is reasonable.

[pure estuary]

Can anyone reccomend some fun builds that are easy to get? I'm currently using a turret drone skill build and its quite optimised but its so boring and slow to clear. I can at least use that build to grind but I forgot alot of things like how to max my armour and skills

[junior surge]

Hunter's Fury is fun and relatively easy to assemble. It clears everything up to heroic pretty well.

This is how I run mine. If you don't have the Memento, any backpack with adrenaline rush or bloodsucker will be a decent alternative

Hotshot sniper also clears fast, and is easy to assemble. It's even good in legendary.

[waxen pewter]

is hotshot better than legendary headhunter?

last time i played it wasn't a thing, so i've just been using regulus headhunter

[junior surge]

Hotshot is typically paired with headhunter. Headhunting with a Regulus is more difficult than with a mmr imo. It requires more knowledge of spawns and you gotta be comfortable playing relatively close. If you're good at reg HH wether with HF or HE builds, then you can clear really fast, but the initial skill floor is higher.

[waxen pewter]

yeah i know, i just wanted to know if hotshot is better damage than a legendary chainkiller build

like this one

mask is punch drunk

regulus headhunter is harder to use but it's good fun

[vestal ibex]

You can hit for more damage with hotshot on MMR builds but if you are sniping with nem it kinda doesn't matter cause you've got so much damage anyway. Regulus HH is fine for highend versions but I personally like the hunter fury version.

If you haven't played for a while you might not know this but determined is an absolutely busted talent that allows you to hit one headshot and then just body people and it counts as heads(if target has a helm it'll break it and drop HH and targets without head will be treated as if they do have heads but HH will drop).

Regulus versions

Sniper versions

These build guides are up to date and will help tons.

[waxen pewter]

huh that's interesting. i'd been using white death with ranger

[vestal ibex]

Uhhhh

[waxen pewter]

with regulus i mean

[vestal ibex]

I know but none of that is showed in the build you said you use, regardless some recent buffs to other snipers made them "better" than WD.

[waxen pewter]

i like this one better than HF for checkpoints because you can use it more like a typical headhunter

[waxen pewter]

yeah i've seen

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you click heads it's all the same really.

HF version gives you 50% HOK and 20% AOK while being more damage than high end in sustained fights where the highend is better to start and finish small fights.

[waxen pewter]

i'll have to try it then, never really used HF much

[vestal ibex]

I'd check out those build guides as they have pics/suggested items and setups in them.

[sage fox]

is the overlord a good gun? looks kind of weak as opposed to other exotic shotguns

[wide sundial]

I really wanna make a backfire build with the new buff coming anyone got any ideas/tips?

[red island]

standard dps should be fine, some bleed rez/haz pro too

[wide sundial]

strikers then?

[red island]

high end can worl too

prob something a bit tanky

smg requires you to be close

[wide sundial]

NBB with 3 piece strikers and some tank set?

[red island]

never use nbb

its bad af also bagpack striker is too good to pass on

[wide sundial]

so 4 piece striker, no vest no bag and what for those two slots?

[red island]

i litterally just said to use backpack for striker xd

[wide sundial]

mb I thought you meant no bag

[red island]

np haha

for the 2 last piece is up to preference, bug either grupo somba piece, hollowman mask, or ceska

[waxen pewter]

i have the one from the spreadsheet, it's great but it's tricky to make

you need to build for hazpro, 95% makes you immune to the bleed

[red island]

bleed will hurt less next season but yeah some haz pro is great

[wide sundial]

Im a returning playing so I should have most of it

[waxen pewter]

the 1pc yaahl was the hardest for me

the rest is fairly easy to get

[wide sundial]

yaahl only drops dz right

[red island]

yeah yearl is dz exclusive

[waxen pewter]

yeah

[red island]

sometime is for sale on dz shop or countdown shop

but if you get the hollowman its kinda neat

otherwise any exotic mask is great

[wide sundial]

I think I have one

[waxen pewter]

you could also ignore hazpro and use ninjabike kneepads

reloading with those won't trigger the bleeding

[wide sundial]

actually I can craft a yaahl mask

what brand do I want for my vest?

[waxen pewter]

the core is 1pc yaahl and 2 pc ceska

for the hazpro

the other 3 pieces are up to you, i use memento grupo and belstone

all pieces should have hazpro on them, then chc until you get up to 50ish and the rest chd

[wide sundial]

are tehre hazpro mods or just attributes?

[waxen pewter]

you can use bleed resist mods

[wide sundial]

are they worth running?

[waxen pewter]

with memento you'll need them for sure, if not running memento then you should be good if the stats on your pieces are high enough

[wide sundial]

does spec matter?

does the bleed resist like stack with hazpro so 60% hazpro and 35% bleed resist is that 95% bleed resist?

[red island]

oh thats smart didnt think of that

[wide sundial]

what about with ongoing directive isn't that getting a buff too?

[waxen pewter]

yep

[waxen pewter]

yeah but they're annoying to use

[red island]

yeah but you can go 0% hazpro this way and do omre daamge

[waxen pewter]

building for hazpro you definetely sacrifice some CHD, but you get that back from backfire's talent

[waxen pewter]

yeah

personally my build is sitting at 55 chc, 110 chd and 95 bleed resist

so i'm immune to the bleeding

i could sacrifice one bleed resist mod for more chd but damage has always been plenty

[wide sundial]

got this so far

need to roll hazpro on holster but I have none to extract rn and yaahl mask

• i have no bleed resist mods

[red island]

why nthoses gloves ?

[waxen pewter]

contractors

[red island]

yeah buit why

the dttooc from the fox prayers are better

unless you have 0 dta

[wide sundial]

I don't have a single pair of gloves worth using currently

[red island]

i mean you should def get some yaarl gear anyway

time to farm before new season

[wide sundial]

if only there was a 5x xp event to make the farming even more worth it

[red island]

yeah, if only

[waxen pewter]

use firewall

the shield is great for close quarters

[red island]

yeah, imo shield is mandatory for backfire build

you're way too close to enemy to keep stacks

[rocky rain]

In the high-end sniper setup, why do you use Dodge City Holster when primarily using a MMR?

And what would the best MMR/Headhunter setup be?

[onyx sage]

because you can use your pistol to kick start your stack

[rocky rain]

I understand, thanks. But what if I would like some distance and use an MMR from first shot?

[onyx sage]

you can do that too

but understand you'll get rushed sometimes and having a pocket nuke is handy

[red island]

i just got fallout war flashback

[rocky rain]

I use Scorpio for close encounters

[red island]

scorpio gonna get hard nerfed

[rocky rain]

But for now (5x event)

[onyx sage]

the ideal high end uses regulus so

that's why it uses dch

[rocky rain]

So no MMR but all kills with the Regulus?

I do have the Regulus but close encounters usually get me killed

[onyx sage]

no, only 2 shots at max from regulus

the point of that build is to be versatile, you can kill with regulus or mmr

or shotgun too

[rocky rain]

So, activate HH with DCH/Regukus, then switch to MMR/870. Right?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[rocky rain]

Thanks!! And with 2x Habsburg, 2x Airaldi and 1x Contractors is the best setup?

[onyx sage]

don't think you'd go 2 airaldi

the one in the sheet is punch drunk, contractor, fox, chainkiller, dodge city, and vigilance backpack/the gift

otherwise high end sniper is just worse than hotshot

[pure estuary]

okay thanks ❤️

[pure estuary]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c&noteKey=bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fdac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c%2Fbf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&title=Hunters%2BFury%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

Guy's I think i'm stupid xD

idk how to read the build guide

What would you guys reccomend I get? I think I became more clueless than last time. Because I forgot everything. Idk what pieces should be what company/brand

[versed summit]

there's pictures towards the bottom and Raucey just uses a ceska chest and a sokolov backpack, all the other pices are Hunter's fury.

[pure estuary]

oh okay thanks

[restive python]

Doing an experiment in anticipation of the TU

[worn mango]

What's the goal with the build?

[hexed steppe]

Probably seeing how weak it can be made while uocking extra mostly useless stats.
Oblit is a crit talent, glass would fit much better as brand investment is killing crit potential.
Ninja is actually the worst part because its trading possible vigilance use for some handling and raw weapon damage...
Glass is an amp and vigilance would act like an amp with it being the only source of twd...
Just some thoughts...

[runic schooner]

Providence a minimal to go into summit ? Just started recently and I'm not sure, sorry

[shut skiff]

What builds are yall running to fast clear public executions,control points,etc

Mike ain’t working fast enough takes like 1 minute per on challenging

[waxen pewter]

chainkiller

no problem on heroic 5 directives

and if you have a mmr with determined it's stupidly easy to use

[shut skiff]

What’s an mmr

Nvm

So get an mmr with determined and chain killer and I should be able to fast clear?

[waxen pewter]

yeah, put together the hotshot build from the spreadsheet

busy little bee isn't necessary, you can use any pistol

[shut skiff]

I can’t figure out how to work that spreadsheet

It’s confusing

[red island]

which part ?

[waxen pewter]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/ee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20/JJe3QzOICL7XdNw2fxPKFqwNUk7kAtvzD6bTxW4KEXm52Vcy6gr4-7xMQA

these are the sniper builds

[shut skiff]

I was gonna make an 1886 one shot build but I’m not high enough shd I think for it to consistently one shot even with the right build

[red island]

if you want a oneshot build you nead hh

with determined

[waxen pewter]

determined isn't necessary but it makes using the build 10x easier

[shut skiff]

Really just wanna use he build which can clear the fastest cause I got 700 levels to go

So whichever one that is

[red island]

the one you got linked is the best one also the event is almost over

[shut skiff]

Ik I got like 10h or sum

[shut skiff]

You talking about this one?

[red island]

thats not enough time imo, i did 1k lvl in 3 days 8h/day

[waxen pewter]

yeah either one

[shut skiff]

A clan member of mine did 300 in 3 hours

It’s possible

[red island]

gl then

[waxen pewter]

yeah doing heroic 5 directive CPs i get 6/7 levels per clear

and takes about 1-2 mins using that build

[red island]

yeah but the travel time is the pb

it takes forever

even with optimal route and cp

[serene hare]

What's the actual juice with the Eagle Bearer? I don't really understand what makes it a good weapon.

[worn mango]

Damage reduction and generally easy gun to shoot

[serene hare]

I think ARs are so underwhelming.

I managed to make my M1A to work, but not any AR except with Striker builds.

[worn mango]

Personally sounds like a build issue. Most AR's with a good striker build are gonna 1M crit with backpack stacks

[serene hare]

I literally said that it is good with Striker builds, dude '-'

[worn mango]

M4, Carbine 7, Elmo, F2000, FAMAS, they all slap

But you said AR's are underwhelming lol

[serene hare]

Yes, because they are, except in Striker builds.

Ok, I think I found something.

Or maybe it was RNG luck.

[worn mango]

Kingbreaker or any good AR is what's used in Heartbreaker. Ongoing Directive you use a Sadist AR. Nego uses an AR. Most skill builds use Capacitor. AR's are the most balanced thing to use because of their good optimal ranges and general ease of use

[serene hare]

Nvm, it was RNG.

[serene hare]

I just wanna do a High-end build.

I dislike doing sets.

[worn mango]

FAMAS or F2k then. And they'll still be at the top of the list when the update goes through

[serene hare]

I have 2 F2000, but I don't really like the weapon.

Famas, like F2000, have a terrible recoil, tho, kinda annoying to play.

MAYBE I'll try my luck with a M4.

Never found a good one, tho.

[autumn bough]

carbine 7 has great stats in terms of accuracy and stability

[worn mango]

AK-M is also good

[serene hare]

The thing with the AK is that, why pick it when RPK exists?

[autumn bough]

really good ar imo (i have only crit chance attachments)

i recommend it

[serene hare]

I had one Carabine 7, it didn't feel really good, to me.

Ngl, I'm more of a SMG guy, I hate poor stability

[autumn bough]

i can see why

SMGs are really good for close range

[worn mango]

Should use Hunter's Fury, fun gameplay loop

[serene hare]

Or I'm the most unlucky person alive or ARs really are not really strong by their own.

[autumn bough]

based on how you use them

[serene hare]

Sometimes my DPS goes to 8 million or a bit more, but most of the times it hits 6 mi.

6/7 mi.

[autumn bough]

i use the generic striker build but i just replace the st elmos engine with the carbine, since the added weapon damage from the optimist talent enough can give the DMG back

[waxen pewter]

i use famas with striker, the high rof helps keep the striker stacks up

especially when using the striker chest

i wish i had elmo's tho

[serene hare]

Yeah, any dumb weapon becomes OP with Striker, but I'm trying to do a High-end build.

[red island]

very good base damage + very good damagereduction

[waxen pewter]

standard 6 red dps then

bit less damage but more consistent than striker

i also use famas with that and ARs are generally reccomended, but rifles can work too

[autumn bough]

i use 5 red cores and 1 blue core, i think my build would be amazing if i just swapped it out

[waxen pewter]

baker's dozen is great with it

[worn mango]

Yeah, the 15% weapon damage would go further than the 170k armor. They do so much damage on heroic that it's a drop in the bucket unless you're using 3/4 blue on a mixed build and/or focusing on armor on kill

[autumn bough]

i'll switch the core and i'll see if it makes a decent difference

[worn mango]

I have a few striker's that I run. All blue with Catharsis, chest/backpack and protection from elite, all red with coyote's and backpack or 4B/2R with Coyote and Red Obliterate Ceska chest

They all offer something a bit different but are still good in their own respects

[serene hare]

Ngl, this build works better than I thought.

[waxen pewter]

looks like p much a 6 red dps but adapted to smg

[tulip charm]

That build is literally the benchmark for builds

[red island]

yeah, its the base everyone goes from

[serene hare]

Still, works better than I thought.

[magic pilot]

tbf hunters fury is just better high end in pve

[worn mango]

Yeah, the buffs and aok is great

[versed hornet]

Striker is also pretty good

but if u like run n gun with smg def go with hunters

[magic pilot]

he doesnt like striker

[worn mango]

He doesn't like gear sets

[versed hornet]

Oh, my fault

[calm marsh]

Would clutch + motherly love in a crit build work better for a solo shield build vs Foundry and forge?

[red island]

forge is a bad item

[magic pilot]

Tbh both suck

[red island]

dont use it

and yeah motherly love aint great ither

[magic pilot]

It's actually not bad at skill tier 0

But there is better options

[red island]

at skill tier 0 you got almost no hp anyway

[magic pilot]

It scales off base health regardless

[red island]

yeah its bad

[magic pilot]

It gives about the same as 1 skill tier

@urban latch knows about it more

[magic pilot]

If you want some sustain health run preservation on gun, gunner class, and 1 palisade. Its 30-40 armor on kill

[red island]

more if you get emily's guard

and headshot

[magic pilot]

Deathgrips*

[red island]

that too

[magic pilot]

P90 kinda sucks

You can get a ton of aok basically

Without losing a ton of dps

[red island]

that i was memeing

[urban latch]

Like that guy said, it's off base health. Each skill/armor tier gives the shield an amount of %shield health, so it's additive with all that. The forge is roughly equal to 1 skill/armor tier, but the exact amount you get from tier depends on the which shield and what level core

[magic pilot]

That being said Picaros would be better unless that nerf goes through

[red island]

yeah we should do the maths

[magic pilot]

The problem isn't that it's necessarily bad, you just get more from using other stuff

[red island]

well its kinda bad cause picaro you get armor and it scale for your shield too

so you're more tank and your shield is more tanky

while forge is just bad cause it gives you 1 skill tier but thats the same as if you had armor instead

when given the chance for the shield, you always want armor, not skill tier

[sudden fog]

what build should i use for cp rn

[solar sable]

HH or Mortar
Depends on what you usually use

[sudden fog]

levels

[solar sable]

I just mentioned them

[sudden fog]

whats hh

[solar sable]

Means HeadHunter AKA Hotshot

[sudden fog]

alr ty

[solar sable]

What was the #1 shotty for brazen PvP?

[tulip charm]

M870

[hexed steppe]

that would kinda depend on your other skill as well... shield +revive , probably armor. shield + artificer, skilltier better. solo shield builds can benefit a lot from artificer depending on how you setup

[serene hare]

YES!

My Smooth Criminal is 100% complete, now.

[crystal token]

any advice on incursion builds? is it still 3 red strikers and 1 healer?

(and should i just matchmaker while on a red build)

[solar sable]

matchmake is often with people who don't have experience, I recommend looking for a group in the GCrock server
And yes, it's still dps+healer

[crystal token]

alright thanks !

i miss having raid comms here lol

[pure estuary]

Do you guys think I should use memento for this build?

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c&noteKey=bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fdac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c%2Fbf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&title=Hunters%2BFury%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

[wide dove]

is it unsuitable to build headshot builds with striker?

[red island]

unless you have aimbot brain, yeah its not great

[restive dome]

It's quite feasible for bosses that require quick dps, like lovebirds in incursion, or Gray in Iron Horse.

[pure estuary]

Guys I need some help also. I remember how to grind gear but I forgot how to get/craft the most optimised gear. I looked at my old build and realised its not even optimised at all(E.g I have level 6 skill tier cus of technician but I still have 6 skill tiers from armour so I just wasted a core. Does anyone have a guide video or something on how I'm supposed to manage my inventory. it sounds like a nightmare checkign every single gear for the stat I want. I wish there was some auto library fill feature or something

and now I realised that my friends don't just dismantle everything. they add the skill to their library. my library is completely empty so I'm so far behind and its so hard to optimised my build.

[restive dome]

You'll have to do it manually I'm afraid. Part of the game is managing your gear, you library, and your expertise.

[pure estuary]

I already don't feel like playing the game. I thought all my grinding was behind me because I remember grinding so hard just to get my skill dps build

then when I check it again I realised its not even optimal. I don't have the perks either

[red island]

any item you see with stat maxed, you put it in library if you dont have it already

[pure estuary]

cus I just didn't know I was supposed to fill my library

[red island]

the grind in this game is never over

dont count on it

[pure estuary]

yeah but like I don't see the point of grinding already because its just so my gear is better so I can grind faster

[red island]

well the point is its a game and its fun to grind

[pure estuary]

btw is countdown still the best way to grind targeted loot?

[red island]

if you dont have fun grinding, thats not the game for you

[red island]

most of it yes

[pure estuary]

I have lots of fun in grinding games. Most of my games are grindy. like Destiny 2, Warframe and path of exile

[red island]

then you should be fine

first step is filling librairy

[pure estuary]

idk man. the idea of managing my library is a pain purely cus I need to check my gear 1 by 1

I wish the filters were more robust or smth

at least being able to sort the items would help

[red island]

you dont need to check every item

you just take everything you loot, when you're full you go to librairy, extract whats aviable, then you check named/exotic items to keep, and trash the rest

and when you marked everything as trash, you go to expertise, and give everything

[pure estuary]

I see. okay thanks

[red island]

when tis done, you deconstruct the rest

[pure estuary]

maybe i'll try. its just annoying that the build I thought was complete is actually trash af

because I was alot younger when I started. I was basically a npc. it took like 2 months to max out my warframe but before that I was just aimlessly playing

[red island]

check pinned message with spreadsheet for builds to get

you'll get every info you need on what you wanna build

its ok to start out slow, i was bad too before

[pure estuary]

i been looking at that spreadsheet for a long time

[red island]

you'll get there

[pure estuary]

thanks

[red island]

once you get a good enough build, you get to higher difficulties, and drop better gear

then you repeat, fill out librairy, then save named/exotics, then expertise, then deconstruct

one of each named/exotic is enough, if you have multiple, keep the one with the stats you want

for red build its often crit damage/chance

NEVER donate exotics for expertise

either keep them with favorite mark on them to be sure they never get lost, or deconstruct them for exo mats

gl with your farm until then, expertise will take you very long, librairy a bit less but still long

[atomic trench]

how good is savage wolverine

also with some rifles going auto, whioch ones worth farming

[magic pilot]

It's ok, you can't farm it though it's craft only @atomic trench

[worn mango]

M1A is probably the best to farm

[hazy steeple]

If you're going to suggest the m1a, you should really clarify if you mean for this Season or the next one, and also which one, as there's 2 types.

[hexed steppe]

3 types

[hazy steeple]

Well, 2 are the same except one used to be (possibly still is) slightly worse, but fashions way better.

I do somewhat doubt that the classic is going to be full auto, and if it is: wat.

[hexed steppe]

they list m1a going auto. i would imagine all

i dont imagine any of the m1a performing well in auto tho. some of the higher capacity probably be alright tho

[onyx sage]

i farmed more m1a cqbs in anticipation

[hexed steppe]

although, bakers dozen full auto might be interesting for spamming

ive got all the classics/cqb ill ever need

[hazy steeple]

I don't know about "well", but the socom is finally getting a chance to shine and I am here for it.

[hexed steppe]

ill get a lot of use out of harmony now in my skill/dps hybrid for sure

[worn mango]

I do wonder how relevant it could make the Rugged Gauntlets

[atomic trench]

whats the named version of the g28 and mk20 again?

also does that auto update count for named/exotic variants to?

[worn mango]

Relic and The Darkness

Anything where the base gun is impacted it will do it for everything else

[atomic trench]

interesting

i have a maxed relic aroun, same foir artist tool and surge

artist tool might be decent if you can keep landing headshots now?

any exotic that might be worth it though?

[worn mango]

Maybe the Ravenous but nobody really raved about it during the PTS. Other than that, probably not

[atomic trench]

i mean you can go for the named one so you basic hit all shots in mag?

or do they nerf its talent

[worn mango]

No nerf to that talent

[atomic trench]

Ok that makes sence

[hexed steppe]

i mentioned bakers
m1a strength is from its accuracy. i do think m1a classic is getting buffed but i still want a damage talent for realistic use. gotta have that boomerang and flatline

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt bother will relic after the patch tho. perfect determined is actually broken , like doesnt operate. even if they fix it at some point it wouldnt be enough damage afaik

[tulip charm]

Yeah because it was broken lol

[serene flare]

wow so Prophet's Perfect Determined really is a downgrade from the regular Talent, huh?

I was hoping that it would count repeat headshots like normal, but then if you actually hit a headshot it would be a guaranteed crit

[red island]

its an upgrade if you plan on taking down a very tanky boss, but the normal version is already strong enough so its not needed, and for regular ads, its a downgrade

but its not very good since crit damage and headshot damage arent multiplicative since div 1.4

so yeah, hard pass

[serene flare]

they're not?
that's pretty lame

[red island]

its for balance sake

[serene flare]

I'm glad I stuck with HSD for my main stats

[red island]

people used to stack crit + headshot to deal massive damage and melt down bosses/rogues

it was so bad, on smg especially, you could literally 1shot people in dz or some bosses

so everything was nerfed

and then they rebalanced the entire damage/armor/crit/multipliers

and it worked way better

[serene flare]

mfw I buildcraft into high burst damage and it gets nerfed because the burst damage is too high

[red island]

yeah but you're not supposed to oneshot a tank

even with high damage

[serene flare]

define tank, like a tank in the Raid, or a tank unit?

[red island]

so when devs saw thoses damage numbers they started increasing npcs hp

[serene flare]

because I've been one-banging tanks for a long time
well "one-banging"

[red island]

had no raid in div 1, only incursions

[serene flare]

Oh I thought you were referring to Div2 patch 1.4

[red island]

and we also had crazy tanking back then with smart cover for example

ah mb i wasnt clear

[serene flare]

Div 1 was a wild time

[red island]

in div 2 we talk in TU xx.x

like TU 20.2 etc

[serene flare]

Determined is the exact reason why Hunter's Faith will never come back lmaoo

I held out hope, but as soon as I saw that telent it was all gone

[red island]

but yeah the change for the damage formula and multipliers happenned in div 1

the only thing close to degenerate damage in div 2 atm is the hotshot + hh + determined

its working as it should, but devs dont like it, and its normal, it make even legendary a peace walk

they might heavily nerf it someday, like giving it a big cd

[serene flare]

Lol that's my current build
I don't use Hotshot's 4pc system, but I do use HH and Determined

Nemesis slams out 50 million damage headshots
feels good

[red island]

yeah backpack talent isnt great

[serene flare]

my current setup

[red island]

nemesis is supposed to deal massive damage, thats intended, but not like a random sniper

[serene flare]

everything's near-maxed out
only missing a couple of max rank HSD mods

[red island]

and right now, any sniper can take down a tanky boss with no sweat

like sr1 in place of your nemesis will take down any boss on heroic 5d

wihtout even being optimized

[serene flare]

Oh I can imagine
I've got a sniper I use when I don't want to bother with Nemesis though

[red island]

at least nemesis has charge time

[serene flare]

with determined

[red island]

sr1 doesnt, you can kill any npc every 0.5s

model 700 has more damage but slower reload/firerate

[serene flare]

That's true, but SR1 isn't an AWP

[red island]

awp ?

model 700 doesnt have that either ?

ah

u mean artic warfare

i thought you meant amplified damage

[serene flare]

ahh lol

[vestal ibex]

Just put on a 4th hotshot and reload isn't and issue with that build anymore. If you are clicking as fast as you can shoot then fire rate matters but I doubt that's your entire sniper experience.

[onyx sage]

idk what the ask here is

[vestal ibex]

probs echo chamber

[red island]

Just talking about perfect determined being a downgrade

[vestal ibex]

It do be like dat.

[onyx sage]

determined is a downgrade

[hexed steppe]

Considering perfect determined is non functional, yeah total downgrade

[vestal ibex]

I mean it works as stated so idk man

You could function by clicking heads.

[hexed steppe]

You sure about that? Last I knew it didnt even reproc with actual headshot kill... did it actually get a rework?

[vestal ibex]

It's always worked as worded.

After killing an enemy with a headshot the next shot landed on any enemy will be a guarantieed critical headshot. While the talent is active killing an enemy will not retrigger the talent.

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2EAGFbUfegXMAnOFDIZqVmctgKxxGoQTBgEXnnaJ0lusUcDsXCLx7s4taPVEjSuPMJBwCeQcGSo8ADhB4W7GdOwHeRo9JzGUQA is this decent ?

[hexed steppe]

I'll have to test it when I log... just restating the talent wording doesnt mean a whole lot... like you've actually used it and it worked as intended?

[vestal ibex]

How do you think it's supposed to work?

[hexed steppe]

Why is regular determined so broken then if perfect works as intended?

[livid mesa]

Because you hit anywhere and then ez kill

[vestal ibex]

They are worded differently so they fundamentally work differently.

[hexed steppe]

Come on 👴

Crit vs non crit doesnt have one working as intended and one broke af reproccing itself.

Have you actually used it?

There was a reason regular determined was reworked then immediately reverted

[vestal ibex]

You realize my point is that they are worded differently and they work according to their wording right?

[hexed steppe]

Ok... why would perfect and regular work so different? No other regular and perfect talent change behavior other than specific amount of damage/uptime...
These should both work the same, not reproccing their selves while talent active with the only difference one being a guaranteed crit headshot, one a guaranteed regular headshot, both anywhere on body

[red island]

Cause the wording says so : doesn't reproc on kills, unlike normal determined

Devs will prob change normal determined to work the same

I hope not tho

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that sounds legit 🤦‍♂️
Let's make perfect weak af, and them make regular broken strong

[red island]

Yep

Anyway it's on prophet so not a big loss

[hexed steppe]

They tried and completely broke it to not work. It was reverted immediately to broken strong af

[red island]

Lmao

Most balances talent ever

[hexed steppe]

But have either of you used it and actually see it work?

[red island]

I can try it rn

[hexed steppe]

So that's a no currently

[red island]

well yeah, text clearly states it wont, so most people ditched it immediately

[vestal ibex]

Tried what?

[hexed steppe]

🤦‍♂️

[red island]

imma try it

for fun

[vestal ibex]

Bro define it

What is "it" here?

[hexed steppe]

You trolling today or what

[vestal ibex]

You talking about determined or perfect version?

Do you understand that question?

You have a half baked question.

[hexed steppe]

The whole discussion is about perfect determined working or not. You need a coffee I think... I need a beer

[vestal ibex]

I don't drink either. Now since this hasn't been strictly a disscussion about one or the other talent thank you for clarifying.

[red island]

nvm i dont have the gun xd

[vestal ibex]

Yes I have used both versions.

They work as worded.

I have no idea what point you are even trying to make anymore.

[atomic trench]

which guns be meta after the update actually?

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mr854re3DujkaUIQNHnMNf07I3EOE7Jk9evPb6G-wbU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Pick for yourself but spreadsheets don't account for spread and for real case use.

[marsh river]

what happened to all my stored talents? i cant move determined from vault onto my rifle? i need an actual gun with it now?

[onyx sage]

has always been, if you haven't extracted determined yet then you need to

wait, you mean you can't transfer determined?

[marsh river]

yeah

[onyx sage]

you sure you got it for rifles yet?

[marsh river]

apparently not :P

[onyx sage]

then you need to

[marsh river]

i cant actually move any talents

there's definitely something wrong right

they moved the systems around and im lost.. havent played in a while

[onyx sage]

did you recalibrate another slot first?

[vestal ibex]

Screenshot of what you are trying to do?

[marsh river]

this guy

[vestal ibex]

While here press M

[marsh river]

apparently i have recalibrated DTO, so i cant give it talents i guess

[vestal ibex]

Yurp.

[marsh river]

how disappointing

[vestal ibex]

Should be easy enough to farm. GB is still up too.

[marsh river]

GB?

[crystal token]

so AKM would be goated replacement for HB after the new update?

[vestal ibex]

I'd stick with Kingbreaker for it.

[atomic trench]

thought kingbreaker was about to be nerfed?

[vestal ibex]

You kinda need to read a little past the base numbers there.

The -1 mod is kinda a big deal more so with other nerfs.

[crystal token]

oh right perfect flatline

[urban latch]

That sheet isnt accounting for the missing mod and it has trash accuracy. Famas and F2000 imo will still be the top options

[crystal token]

already have a spare F2 and famas ready any other weapon suggestions for HB?

[urban latch]

for heartbreaker ARs, kingbreaker up close, M4 at range

[crystal token]

alright will get to grinding for a good police M4

any hopes of rifles being good for HB?

(or what gear sets should i farm if i wanna use the "new" rifles

[urban latch]

no, its a set about building stacks, youll want a high RPM weapon. Kingbreaker is already fairly slow

umbra and high end for rifles

[crystal token]

is umbra strikers hybrid a decent build or is it just wasting parts

[urban latch]

a complete misunderstanding of making builds

[crystal token]

knew it LOL

saw it in a YT vid had me gigglin

[urban latch]

exactly lol

[crystal token]

from a certain div2 youtuber 💀

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNtU3BIEkhM Builds like this?

[onyx sage]

raucey using 7th skill tier is the stepping stone...

[hexed steppe]

fair, i tested and perfect d was working like worded... makes me wonder why they just cut the last part of the description off regular determined instead of fixing it to work as intended. the original wording did match at release

[rocky rain]

Is the Foundry Bulwark Tank build from the pinned spreadsheet still the go-to tank for Legendary missions, or are there better one nowadays?

[vestal ibex]

I don't think anyone recommends any tank builds for legendary, and if they do you might wanna question the source.

[rocky rain]

? It’s in the spreadsheet

Then what would be a good build for Legendary missions?

[solar sable]

Any basic red DPS IIRC

[tulip charm]

Dps, FI, or CC Eclipse

[shut skiff]

whats like the best way to get god rolled stuff

or is it completely luck

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer sacrifices
🔥 😈 🔥

[magic pilot]

I can't believe you don't know about tier 7 ability, it's called overcharge in game

How do you not know this yet??

That's why I use Kard custom on every skill build

[onyx sage]

mb king i need to go back to kenly college to retake division theory

[rocky rain]

What actually does the laser sight/pulse do?

[onyx sage]

the technician laser pointer? it pulses whatever you aim at

[marsh river]

guys i stumbled a cross a very nice solo build. based on 1886 with determination, headhunter chest and hunters fury. but i am wondering if there arent some better options than hunters fury. thoughts?

[rocky rain]

There are alternatives, see the pinned spreadsheet but many use HF as well.

[marsh river]

not sure what the build is called in that list

[solar sable]

That build is called HHF (HeadHunter's Fury) and it is a nice build to have.

If I'm not wrong the main weapons are shotguns with Determined

[marsh river]

shotgun? Oo

[onyx sage]

shotguns don't roll determined but HHF can use shotguns yeah

1886 can be used in HHF as well

[solar sable]

and I was somewhat wrong lol

[marsh river]

1886 seems like the best for it, but again.. wondering if there are not better option than hunters fury

[rocky rain]

Hotshot

[onyx sage]

at close range and if you can stack kills, it's the best option

hotshot doesn't work with 1886

[marsh river]

allright fair enough, ill stick with HF then

[onyx sage]

if you're not operating within 15m then consider high end

[rocky rain]

HH works best with Determined, so MMR, Rifle or Backup Broomstick

[marsh river]

what do you think is the best weapon for it then?

[rocky rain]

Or Regulus with exotic Holster

[onyx sage]

regulus, snipers, shotguns

[marsh river]

but regulus u cant go for body shots

[rocky rain]

Which type?

[onyx sage]

which is worth it

regulus is among top 5 strongest weapons if you can aim at heads

[marsh river]

i hate using the regulus because it has the most scuffed accuracy and crosshair. and one miss u gotta restart the chain, its really annoying

[onyx sage]

it alone is the reason why most speedrunners don't use determined

you don't have to restart the chain if you miss?

you're talking about using dodge city?

[marsh river]

if u hit an arm instead of a head, yeah

u lose the headhunter chain

[onyx sage]

i mean... aim better

not trying to put you down but you can run it alongside determined weapons like sniper and 1886

you can use it at close range where you can aim the easiest

[rocky rain]

Dodge City indeed.
I also can’t get it done with Regulus. Cool for those who can

[onyx sage]

pc is just way easier to aim with regulus

[rocky rain]

Who uses PC 😜

[marsh river]

i cant agree with the 3rd person shifted view and RPG accuracy. if it was a fps shooter game np i would rock the regulus, but in this its just awful, so thats not an option i consider viable

[onyx sage]

the regulus is among the most accurate weapons, only stability is the problem

[solar sable]

Dood, we have aim assist and still can't hit heads? We got some skill issue here

[marsh river]

and its not so much that i cant hit headshots, i do. its just that you miss fire once and ur in a stick of doodoo

[rocky rain]

Aim assist? Is that an option?

[onyx sage]

yes

[marsh river]

no

[onyx sage]

on console

[urban latch]

for controller. its relatively mild but it can help

[marsh river]

if i wanted a computer to play the game for me i would chat with ChatGPT

[onyx sage]

and regulus making you not use determined is well worth the tradeoff

[rocky rain]

🎯

[marsh river]

anyway i came here seeking advice not sheedposters selling their daily dose of git gud

[onyx sage]

i mean you underrate regulus too

[marsh river]

i am going to use a weapon with determined, not regulus, thanks for the input

[urban latch]

if your not going with regulus, then D50 determined

[marsh river]

🤔

[onyx sage]

or the harvest

[rocky rain]

Or the new pistol? 🔫

[marsh river]

doesnt 1886 have more base dmg?

[urban latch]

this just makes me think you have your sensitivity up too high though...

[onyx sage]

1886 suffers from reload issues

[marsh river]

no mate, its not that

[urban latch]

the accuracy of the regulus is amazing

[marsh river]

its the constant camera shake and rolling enemies this game gives

center mass is good enough for me

[urban latch]

if you spin around in a 360, how much physical distance is your mouse moving?

[hexed steppe]

Other option would be highend foxs, contractors, chainkiller, vigilance bag (probably providence) , maybe punch drunk mask , dodge city holster and use a determined d50 or reg as a pocket nuke

[marsh river]

why doesnt hotshot work with determined?

[hexed steppe]

It does, it doesnt work with rifles tho

[red island]

it does, thats why people build both

[hexed steppe]

Next season aces and 8s will benefit rifles tho

[marsh river]

so a classic m44 carbine would be nice right?

[red island]

sr1 would be better

as usual

[versed summit]

Could sneak in Zwia in there I imagine

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, for hotshot

[hexed steppe]

No doubt. I forget about the new stuff sometimes

Yeah 2pc would fit well 💯

[wheat anchor]

Isnt the sr1 getting nerfed tho

Wouldn't that just make the srs the better long term option until they do another reshuffle

[red island]

in 2 months so thats ok also it wont be trash it will be still good enough

but yeah there will be better snipers

[magic pilot]

Imagine hating reg

Kinda mind blowing

[serene flare]

What's a good set of Talents to have on a sawed off double barrel?

[urban latch]

Brazen I guess, but it's not really used for a reason

[red island]

yeah its a bad weapon no matter the talent

[serene flare]

the sawed off, not the regular shotgun

[red island]

same deal tbh

[merry stone]

is legendary difficulty only cheesed with skills builds??

[shy willow]

No

[rich cosmos]

No

[rich lotus]

Is Mechanical animal any good for a hybrid build?

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[rocky rain]

What gives more damage to an AR (eg Elmo): Fenris or Picaro’s?

[hushed gorge]

Damn
The dmg difference is insane
Although it got attachment and rpm buffs

[onyx sage]

fenris because you have 2 crit attributes instead of 1

[rocky rain]

Another question I never realized: can you put the specialization mods (eg small laser pointer with 7% CHC that comes with Demolitionist) also on exotic ARs?

[onyx sage]

nope, you can't change attachments on exotic weapons

[radiant reef]

question, for conflict, looking at builds it seems armour regen and haz pro are the most sought after sub cores?

[marsh river]

what do you guys think is the better option of blue or red cores on headhunters fury w/ determination? also memento or not? ive never been a fan of memento token collection mechanic

[radiant reef]

momento is good anywhere but conflict

[marsh river]

also headhunter builds have the eternal issue of sucking against anything with armor and robots

[marsh river]

its quite difficult to find that one, do-it-all dps solo build

[placid latch]

Dev make it so that don't happen

The most closer you can get are the tanky self regen build

[marsh river]

what does that build look like?

[placid latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-j7PQ0-9-E

something like that