td2-build-advice

[rich cosmos]

Don’t see how that goes against my claims but whatever

[fiery meadow]

hey guys i wanted to ask a build question related to solo gameplay

aside from matchmade activies usually i play solo, are the solo builds differ from the normal ones? as in do you still go full red on them or have some blues in it and change up some of the stuff on them in comparison to the ones on the spreadsheet?

[rich cosmos]

I mean what do you want to achieve

It depends what you want to use

[solar sable]

Personally, blues in PvE are such a waste. I prefer using a full red build.

[rich cosmos]

Again, build dependent

[solar sable]

I know, it's just my opinion on blues/armor when solo

[rich cosmos]

Blues imo are just in a bad spot because of how red cores are designed

I love using heartbreaker personally

[fiery meadow]

I wanna get better at the game and its mechanics, so i wanted to have a build in mind of solo play that i can run on endgame content so that i would improve

I assumed playing content as groups would be easier in comparison so I wouldn't improve as fast

[fiery meadow]

I see

[clever merlin]

For memento umbra which is better obliterate or umbra chest?

[placid latch]

Yeah but you need to shot at the body making you less headshot and Rifle really shine with it's accuraty. Such a waste to pass on that damage bonus.

Edit: Talking about M16 3 bullets thingy

[tacit goblet]

how do I put together a PVP build

preferably I wanna run around in DZ and kill everyone

[solar sable]

Pinned spreadsheet.
PvP Starters guide.

[vocal flax]

Does anybody have a casual rifle build

[wanton rose]

can somebody give me a good ouroboros build? im running out bullets too fast and range is rlly bad 😦 running 4 pc striker with backpack, gropo and ceska with obliterate with gunner)

[restive dome]

No build will help you keep your bullets. Oro shines at close range, so if you're using it for long range you'll hit less, lower, and will need more bullets to kill stuff. Switching to an AR will fix that. Different ammo so you're Oro won't run out as fast, and better damage at range.

[clever merlin]

does weapon handling affect optimal range? stack optimal range if you want lol

[restive dome]

No. Handling affects, reload speed, stability, accurracy and swap speed.

[clever merlin]

that one smg with perfect outsider works if you want an smg with range

but you do give up a talent slot for it though

[restive dome]

Not worth it though. If you want to use an smg on range, just use an AR

[clever merlin]

yup

[worn mango]

I saw ikia mention that he thinks Invisible Hand change won't go through because the ability buff plus mag is gonna be insane

It'll have the best sustain damage, plus 62 rounds and 830 ROF

If you just change the AUG to 830 with the ability to have three crit attachment it becomes best in class. Of course you're then not getting another talent but still

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but the recoil and spread is kinda doo doo. Spread sheets are great but real time it might not be that good just like all the other previous "top damage" guns missed shots is missed DPS.

[shy willow]

Black market ak has wild DPS theoretically yet nobody uses it

[vestal ibex]

This is also why the Emlo was considered so OP was because people just started hitting 10-15% more shots with the WH and low inherit recoil of the M4 it's based off of.

[worn mango]

I haven't used the AUG enough to know the pattern

But I'd like to think skill will also override that

[vestal ibex]

No skill can overcome spread tho.

[onyx sage]

just predict your bullet will rng land to the right and move your crosshair to the left duh

[worn mango]

Or flail around in a circle, bound to hit something

[rich cosmos]

???

Every gun needs you to aim for the head, because head does more damage

Bro think he cooking with that statement

[placid latch]

I didn't manage to put 3 bullets in the head with the recoil.

At least not without handling

[rich cosmos]

You don’t need to

Its still a rifle, it has high damage

And the named version is getting a buff as well

If I can make whisper good with umbra on the current version of the game it’s certainly gonna be good when the update releases

Cause umbra, the m16, and behind you are getting buffed

[worn mango]

I'm starting to think some content creators are baffling stupid. Watching a video, they are saying they don't understand why the Pestilence has such a high RoF in the PTS. Multiple commentors saying that it's based on the M249 which is getting a +300 ROF. He's convinced it's a bug because exotics are separate. Now I actually like this guys builds but this seems so stupid.

[magic pilot]

You'll start to notice this stuff a lot, that's why most players stay away from YT content

[worn mango]

Yeah it's insane. Where does he think the stats come from? lol

[urban latch]

There's a very good reason we dump on YTers here as a general rule of thumb

[rich cosmos]

Yeah the youtubers are not very bright

[magic pilot]

Most of the big YTers are casual players, they use what's fun and what will get them clicks. Which is totally fine. The problem is that some (most) pass their builds off as best thing since toliet paper

[worn mango]

Best thing since covid toilet paper even

[urban latch]

The biggest YTers are the biggest because they cater to the casual audience. The players who already know what they are doing aren't looking up guides. And the casual audience doesn't know enough to be able to tell they are being fed junk food.

[rich cosmos]

I blame the YTers for the meta that we are in

[worn mango]

Today I saw a 3x Electrique, 2x WH and Contractor with Ouro as a PVP build. I appreciated the effort and it's something I've never seen but people are gonna go out of their way to make that

[urban latch]

Just remember, there was a MONTHS long period between strikers getting buffed and the incursion where YTers and the casual audience had strikers going completely under the radar

[magic pilot]

I'm interested to see all the new HB builds

[magic pilot]

Almost the best smg build

3 electrique is busted in PvP

[worn mango]

It's that 30x SMG huh

Well, 0.3x I suppose lol

[urban latch]

They've inadvertently buffed it now too...

[worn mango]

How so?

[urban latch]

By reducing other top options like ceska/grupo/prov/strikers

[worn mango]

Oh gotcha, buff by proxy

[magic pilot]

It was already the best choice for smg builds in PvP if you weren't going striker

And striker also got nerfed so

[worn mango]

I do want that named WH bag but not really wanting to grind for it. Probably just going to wait until it's in the shop

[placid latch]

Is Matador that good ?

[worn mango]

For PVP it seems. At minimum you're getting extra armor and 5% weapon damage

[placid latch]

I really like Adrenalin Rush

[magic pilot]

Matador is only worth it in PvP if you can put a blue core on it

Otherwise there is better options for dmg

Keeping the same talent

[placid latch]

I'm using it in my tank build with intimidate but 2 golan gear and not walker's and harry

[urban latch]

Get that 3p Yaahl/elec build ready

its going to be a nightmare to farm lol

[placid latch]

Yaahl gear.....

Guess DZ for pvp guys

[worn mango]

What are you trying to cook up @urban latch lol

[magic pilot]

Future meta and counter to HB🤣

Sadly it'll be way over crit

[placid latch]

I understand. I also wanted to put 1 blue core on Matador

[magic pilot]

Then it's worth

[placid latch]

I keep one with chc et chd

[magic pilot]

Although the pvp meta might see a huge shift depending on how the changes go and how fast the ttk is

[placid latch]

Juste in case

[magic pilot]

If the ttk gets to be super fast ad rush wouldn't get used as much

Might be good now that chd attachements are 10% @urban latch

[urban latch]

Not with the attchment buffs, it makes all that CHC on high end SMGs super valuable

[placid latch]

TTK is nice. Waiting for the new version

[magic pilot]

For a high end smg

[urban latch]

beat me to it lol

[magic pilot]

Lmao we think the same that's why

30% chd on HE beat Ouro though?

[urban latch]

I think so, but I still need to actually go through and calc variations. I dont want to bother until I know what things will actually be

I was more interested in testing the gear changes like mosquito during the pts

[magic pilot]

Yea the balancing for weapons could change

Bighorn is over tuned

[worn mango]

I noticed that. Burst is insane on Bighorn

[urban latch]

Yeah, I felt like all the gun numbers could easily be adjusted, same with the ceska/grupo changes, so I havent bothered figuring all that stuff out yet

[worn mango]

When do they typically finalize the changes?

[urban latch]

I think they mentioned theres likely another PTS coming at some point, but theyve also said that before and cancelled it and only had 1, so tbh we just dont know right now

[worn mango]

This is my first cycle with stuff like this so this is all new to me

[vestal ibex]

mosquito go brrrrr

[urban latch]

YOU DIDNT BELIVE ME

[onyx sage]

why are you bullying the man

[vestal ibex]

I can never believe anything you say.

[worn mango]

rude

Can't believe @urban latch is gonna make me farm Electrique now for a build I won't use and just hoard it

[vestal ibex]

Just make the build and post it so you can hear everyone whine about how hard it is to farm.

[magic pilot]

Basically

I've seen 1 person with the build before and it wasn't 100% perfect

[vestal ibex]

It's basically habs farming lol

[rich cosmos]

Should I try making a heartbreaker build with armor on kill and catharsis

[worn mango]

You'd probably have a better time farming a red HB if you don't have one

[solar sable]

speaking of builds, OD, HB and Nego are my goals now

[worn mango]

I'm enjoying my OD now

[solar sable]

SR-1 having ~9mil less dmg is not as bad as it sounds

[rich cosmos]

Red hb is just strikers

[solar sable]

but with armor

eh, same thing just slightly different

[rich cosmos]

I want to use catharsis in pve because I like the concept of it

I feel like armor on kill with it could be useful

[worn mango]

You can also run one piece Palisade with gunner to get 20% AoK

That's different and somewhat fun

[rich cosmos]

That was the idea

Gunner is my favorite to use

@worn mango whats the backpack talent of hb and should I use 3 blues or 4

[worn mango]

I use HB chest

That AoK I use it on Strikers with a Ceska Oblit chest

[flint wave]

BP talent is just more bonus armor

[worn mango]

For science, I gotta watch this Tuxedo Bandido video titled "When Nerfs Hit Harder Than Seasons 2.0!".

[urban latch]

the only thing you can do is not give them clicks lol

[worn mango]

Oh I know. I like to hear the perspective I will admit. It's trying to be objective but there's so much bias. These people get boosted up when things are broken so they can make easy clickbait builds

They also said balance is boring lol

[urban latch]

rofl

[worn mango]

Seasons 2.0 is content that other games have done already. Listing 'nerfs' on guns that weren't even nerfed but that's because they aren't looking at any numbers. Same old same old

Dying game is dying. Don't nerf things people like.

[urban latch]

I just have zero respect for the "never nerf" crowd, it just tells me they have no idea what they are talking about.

[jagged marlin]

Just because something is no longer BIS doesn't mean it's unsuable

[rich cosmos]

Elmos didn’t get nerfed because they buffed the m4, they made a mistakey

[worn mango]

Well it's not a mistake

It's mods are just that much better than any other option so they toned it down a bit

And it's so easy to make a crazy high CHC/CHD with Elmo on Strikers

[rich cosmos]

I mean they wanted to buff the normal m4 and they made mistakes with other numbers

Its pretty clear they made an error with elmo

Because the elmo nerf was very necessary

[worn mango]

Getting 55/170+ with that amount of range is silly

[rich cosmos]

The m4 buff makes it pointless

[urban latch]

tbh I think the elmos nerf is one of the few ones I disagree with lol, its just not as good as people think it is

[solar sable]

it's just a friendly and easy to use weapon

[rich cosmos]

It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t the best gun in the game, it was severely overused

[worn mango]

Having electric was a great thing to help players with insta stun, great handling, massive mag

I do agree with the mod changes but inherently getting more damage from M4

It will also have a faster reload. Albeit 0.1 seconds faster but nonetheless

[jagged marlin]

The weapon handling nerf makes sense for the elmo, that's what mainly made it effective beyond most other picks

[worn mango]

And from insane range. You had built in protection from not having to be super aggro

Full auto and barely any recoil control

Low risk decently high reward

[jagged marlin]

Well the spread/bloom/accuracy, whatever you want to call it is better than any other AR (comparable)
It's just great for that reason alone

You can't control that on guns through input

[worn mango]

And then +20 CHC/D was also nutty for something with that much range.

[urban latch]

theres plenty of very accurate ARs, elmos is just another one

[worn mango]

I also think it's exotic bias

Different colour therefore better

I think with the M4 buff and it stayed the way it was, it was going to be even that much better. This makes it still very good, but now you have to weight other options.

[jagged marlin]

Afaik I don't think there is an ar as accurate as the elmo outside of burn out/honey badger

[worn mango]

There's a part of me that would actually love to see recoil charts

[urban latch]

And thats a negative, not a positive. To me the thing people miss about elmos is that yes its good, but its right on the level of other HE ARs. Going with an exotic on par with a HE gun means your spending that opportunity cost of your exotic weapon on elmos and not a differnt gun like scorpio or regulus

[gloomy spruce]

There is one nerf in this whole thing that I am excited about that few have mentioned. The NPC directives(I am uncertain about the term) that do things like reflect damage at distance and other aspects.
This nerfs the thing that I would argue does plague the game. It penalizes the DPS Free for all that plagues MM Heroic and other parts of the game. People will hopefully now have to plan their fights and no longer just thoughtlessly DPS. I argue give players power, but if they are careless with it - then punish them hilariously.

It opens up new builds and breaks the whole one build rules all aspect of the game. It kills metas by making them irrelevant.

[worn mango]

Oh absolutely. Even thinking you need an exotic on a build is a problem. If the changes go through, purely by Burst on all exotic AR's it's now in last place. 75/25 split of burst/sustain it's second worst and 50/50 it's tied for second worst. Truthfully I like it because it beams, I stun people and for whatever reason does feel easy to use. Extrapolate that over gamers who probably don't have ability and want easy mode but high rewards, I can see the appeal

[tulip charm]

Im pretty sure the modifiers are all optional

[worn mango]

I think even with it, people are still going to gravitate towards it because of their expertise level and because they've probably maxxed it out, and it won't be a fair comparison because they don't have equivalent, same level weapons

[tulip charm]

So I am not worry about it

[gloomy spruce]

They are but they give some people the ability to opt out of meta only play.

[tulip charm]

Meta only?

[worn mango]

Hey I'm running around with OD bleeding people. I am the meta

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah you know the whole looking for the highest DPS build that does everything with high damage and no thought. Think of the experience of MMing into Heroic and everyone is running around with shields towards doors trying to chase kills without any thought.

[worn mango]

@urban latch I do wonder though trying to objectively think, why do people consider Elmo that good. Just from people force feeding it and that it's been middle of the pack the entire time but just incredibly user friendly? I don't know

[gloomy spruce]

I love the buff to OD. It is a great group build that I would love to see more often.

[worn mango]

I use it in CD now just because of hollow lol

[urban latch]

reputation goes a long way when the vast majority of people are just following the crowd

[worn mango]

And going from 35 to 50 on the chest with a sadist buff is gonna be fun

[gloomy spruce]

I love the sadist buff. Again it creates a combined playstyle.

[jagged marlin]

Elmo coming with 20chc/chd/wh makes it easy to put into any build, espeically on low shd watch

That's a big contributing factor for it's popularity

[worn mango]

That's true too, it kinda creeps you up quickly

[urban latch]

There was a hunters fury with intimidate and ad rush "meta" that had a huge following for ages, that every casual player thought was the only build worth running similar to what the casual player base currently thinks of strikers now

and it was never really that good of a build. It was solid and strong for sure, but not nearly at the level people thought it was

same with the old high end drone/turret skill build

[worn mango]

But if you get told by x numbers of YT'ers that it's the best, you're gonna farm and optimize it

[gloomy spruce]

That meta annoyed me because it had everyone running for spawn points on different sides of the map. Again what I call hungry hungry hippo playstyle.

[onyx sage]

it's why i was on my crusade telling people not to overvalue on kill buffs

if you have no instantaneous buff to make the on-kill buffs work it just ends up being worse than a consistent uptime build like high end

[gloomy spruce]

On kill only really gives you greatest benefit when solo.

[jagged marlin]

Elmo just tends to perform good in every situation, not great. It's a pick once and forget kind of gun.

[worn mango]

And knowing that with Striker you can just use an ACS/Lefty/RnR, it's GG

[gloomy spruce]

Its a go to and it provides CC in a limited capacity.

[worn mango]

Well 70 rounds of CC is insane when you think about it

[onyx sage]

not to sidetrack but i think massive is back to work on div2 right? maybe we can see some more sensible balance changes for some time

[tulip charm]

Tp rework :prayge:

[urban latch]

seems like it, I just wish I had faith in their ability/knowledge to do it in a good way

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah the ammo capacity was always a bit too high

[vestal ibex]

I wanna have 1 mechanically simple gear set that is like 20%+ more damage than anything else duh.

[onyx sage]

i think this round of changes is reining in those that came from ubi budapest

might be a trend

[tulip charm]

I wonder what kinda of changes ubi china can make 👀

[surreal depot]

When will bro start his determined crusade

[onyx sage]

never

[gloomy spruce]

I just want one easy to make "kid's first gearset" that is competitive and simple to ease players into creating builds. I then want said gear set to be challenged to force players to advance and invest time learning the gear system. It is a simple request that I think would yield strong results. No +20% extra damage over all. Just a nice gateway to building drug.

[magic pilot]

I remember that

[onyx sage]

i think umbra was meant to be that gear set, and it still is a decent one to get started with

[gloomy spruce]

I hated that meta. It made me play solo more than anything and avoid matchmaking.

[vestal ibex]

Heartbreaks or strikers? Always has been still will be.

[vestal ibex]

F using cover, ain't nobody got time for that.

[gloomy spruce]

Heartbreaker starts blue which requires extra farming. That was always my gripe with it. The Umbra buff helps create a good easy to make build to compete with stiker.

[onyx sage]

but souless, muh youtubers told me to cower in cover in legendary

[vestal ibex]

Just stay blue?

[gloomy spruce]

We have talked about how much of a mess blue is

[vestal ibex]

CovertocovernotOP.

[vestal ibex]

Blue HB does fine in solo heroic.

[onyx sage]

okay hear me out

HHarmacist build where you headhunt with healing chem

[gloomy spruce]

It is an off tank, which I guess is kind of okay. Just make it do less damage for self and more damage for group.

[gloomy spruce]

Isn't that doctor home?

[onyx sage]

nah you use the actual healing chem to kill

[gloomy spruce]

So the oxidizer chem?

[onyx sage]

it's a meme, foam launcher projectiles somehow have damage from HH

[vestal ibex]

Yeah chems will direct impact for a small amount of damage.

[gloomy spruce]

Wait is that why I killed an NPC with a HHF build last night using a foam launcher?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[gloomy spruce]

WTF

[vestal ibex]

So healing chems can kill

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter what chem, the projectile does damage and does trigger HH

[onyx sage]

the ultimate harmacist

[gloomy spruce]

I encountered someone using the Firewall grenades, collector and sleigher last night. It looked like a carpet bombing. Fun glitch.

[onyx sage]

ah yes, air support

[gloomy spruce]

Yep this game has no bugs and is perfect in every way.

[vestal ibex]

Bro should have used the PTS mosquito to one shot wright during phases @urban latch

Chem launcher 1 shots

[onyx sage]

FI HH when

[worn mango]

There's now Shield Splinterer nerf videos, oh lawd lol

[gloomy spruce]

They want to nerf the shield splinterer or they are complaining about a nerf to it. I thought it got buffed?

[worn mango]

Saying it's now bottom tier again lol

I gotta stop doing this to myself lol

[gloomy spruce]

They always say that. The thing has a great ROF and decent damage. Optimist got buffed, so how exactly is this a nerf.

[worn mango]

Because 10 less rounds and 50 less rpm apparently makes it useless

[gloomy spruce]

Also they are youtubers. Many divtubers are rage for clickers.

[worn mango]

F2k was by far the best HE anyway. It had best burst and sustain and was easy to use

And lowest reload class

[gloomy spruce]

I know. I remember when people said the Famas was trash. Then with striker it became its own meta with the burnout.

High ROF weapons have their own charm. Charts don't include everything.

[worn mango]

Gun go brrrttttt

[onyx sage]

famas has never been trash either too

[magic pilot]

F2k still top tier

[worn mango]

No no no, useless

[magic pilot]

Famas has been top tier for years

[worn mango]

Useless, remember that

[onyx sage]

remember when people said strained on famas was bad?

[magic pilot]

Div 2 YouTubers wipe front to back

[worn mango]

There's always a part of me that wants to comment on videos with actual logic but it'll go on deaf ears. I'll rant in my own brain lol

Do they even wipe?

[magic pilot]

I've tried, most get mad or ignore you completely

[onyx sage]

if they don't play by the same rules as us don't bother

[magic pilot]

There are still people who think measured is good

[worn mango]

"Stats don't matter, it's how it feels in game"

[onyx sage]

most just use "it works for me" as their excuse

[magic pilot]

And they think it'll be meta with the "buff" 🤣

[gloomy spruce]

It is why I don't watch many of them and make my own builds across 4 different characters. It is more fun to experiment.

[worn mango]

Oh Kingbreaker is now useless too

And Ouro and Elmo

[vestal ibex]

All guns are useless now!!!

I'm gonna have to start all over!

[worn mango]

It's all about the Honey Badger babbbyyyyy

[gloomy spruce]

We are all going to have to play at the game's new version of challenging called "story" difficulty. We might be able to get into hard(the new heroic) and maybe maybe we can hope to group up for challenging(the games new legendary)

[gloomy spruce]

They are one of the few weapons that I did invest expertise upgrades on.

[worn mango]

It'll be top 5 easily depending on what you value

[gloomy spruce]

I like good damage, decent rof, and excellent handling.

[worn mango]

Going 60/20/20 it's #2

[gloomy spruce]

I mean for me, this buffed all my favorite weapons.

[worn mango]

You misspelled nerfs

[urban latch]

keep in mind the f2000 and honey badger are down 1 attachment slot, so that does make a difference. They are definitely top tier though

[worn mango]

That's why I put the weighting on there to account for that

[gloomy spruce]

I present you with my St Elmos note the low proficiency level.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456041973636136960/1287448277419163794/image.png?ex=66f2e6a4&is=66f19524&hm=48930297b8a77972aeb8ae87cf0f70fa67578e295df93103817bd4c099e65180&

[worn mango]

Even missing an attachment it's crazy in slot

[gloomy spruce]

The St Elmo's nerf devestates me to my core as you can note.

[urban latch]

wait in your rankings a high number is good?

[worn mango]

Yeah, makes it so I don't need to 1- the number at the end

I did inverse ranking

[urban latch]

have you only done ARs so far?

[worn mango]

Nope, I've done nearly everything

[urban latch]

you should send me those sheets since im lazy....

[worn mango]

Here's the full AR chart

Something I was theorizing yesterday because you can put your own custom weights into things

Super simple weighted average but it works

Let me finish the other sheets up, I needed to do pistols and MMR's (even though MMR's don't really care for burst/sustain but the ADHD be hittin) and I'll send it over. Just friend me and I'll DM you later

Here's SMG's too if anyone cares to look at my arbitrary weights

[gloomy spruce]

Poor UMP it is just not a very liked gun. 😦

[rich cosmos]

Post the rifle chart

[urban latch]

that SMG9 is looking good

[rich cosmos]

Rifles on top 🗣️

[worn mango]

Yeah SMG-9 is gonna be saucy I think

[gloomy spruce]

How does the Auto on these guns feel?

[urban latch]

also by 3 attachments I think your just ignoring the mag right? should be +1 on all those

[rich cosmos]

I mean, its nothing crazy, they keep the same rpm, but now they are just significantly user friendly

[urban latch]

I was very underwhelmed

[rich cosmos]

Which also makes them good with umbra

[rich cosmos]

I mean Idk what you expected, they are still rifles

[worn mango]

Yeah exactly. This is just base gun. I wanted to keep them at their base mag instead of with an extended, because people might use the +15 without the reload penalty

[gloomy spruce]

That was always one of the weakness of the weapon class. It was why I thought the buff on Fox's was needed, but a rework of rifles needed to be done sooner or later.

[gloomy spruce]

That is not a good sign.

[urban latch]

the accuracy is just REALLY bad. When you manually fire you can go just slightly under the max RPM and get significantly more accuracy, but you have no control firing auto and get the full inaccuracy. You can put on the buffed stability/accuracy mods, but that sacrifices damage, and its not like the rifles have any real advantage over ARs even before you do that

[worn mango]

@urban latch Let me do one other thing that'll take awhile but I think would be valuable at least on AR/SMG. I'm gonna add a toggle switch of +15 mag, +20 mag with reload drop. That way it'll change the MS and RS for each of them depending if the toggle is on

[rich cosmos]

Umm

[urban latch]

The one huge buff the full auto on rifles is for console/controller players where the ravenous firerate was bugged, so thats a huge plus for them, except the rav was bugged in the PTS and only firing 1 shot instead of 2

[rich cosmos]

They do, its called being like twice as much damage lol

Rifles are apparently really good on buffed umbra

[urban latch]

im talking burst DPS, not per bullet

[rich cosmos]

Okay?

Rifles are in a good spot now

[gloomy spruce]

They need to rework some aspects of rifles. The time to become stable and accurate is too long and stability modifiers don't help it enough.

[urban latch]

umbra is definitely their best use, I agree with that

[rich cosmos]

If you make them accurate then you risk them being better than ars

Which they shouldn’t

[gloomy spruce]

If you are accurate and true with your shots, they should be.

[urban latch]

Imo more ARs should act like the famas with more kick, and rifles would be the stable/accurate class of weapons, but less dps

[rich cosmos]

That would simply not work in this game

[urban latch]

even the famas isnt a great example, Im more thinking the bullfrog from div1

[gloomy spruce]

That gun was so much fun

[urban latch]

ARs have so little kick in this game

[rich cosmos]

Thats a change needed for div 3

Ive already stated many times before I want to see a change to weapon damage and an increase to recoil for div 3

[vestal ibex]

Well there is recoil which you can correct for and there is spread. Both are small in this game imo.

[gloomy spruce]

Div 1's was on a whole different level.

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage why ur Elmo no recoil bro

[solar sable]

hE's hAcKiNg yOu cAn tElL bY hIs vIdEoS

[rich cosmos]

I personally blame weapon balance simply on how the core system works

Core system needs a rework but that ain’t happening in this game

[gloomy spruce]

Core system are you referring to year 2.0's primary cores or the core mechanics of the game?

[vestal ibex]

red blues yellows

[gloomy spruce]

So gear 2.0

[surreal depot]

Snap is a lil sus

[gloomy spruce]

I can't remember the recoil patterns being any different during gear 1.0

[vestal ibex]

I think these are all seperate issues and some are pure preference.

[solar sable]

I remember that one dude that called dien a cheater for knowing NPC spawns on legendary lmao

[onyx sage]

that was such a funny interaction back then

[vestal ibex]

Year 1 builds were hard and confusing to new players. Gear 2.0 makes sense from the "we want more accessible builds"

[onyx sage]

saying my snapping was instant or something like that

[vestal ibex]

Bro those are hacks you can't know where they come from!!

[gloomy spruce]

I made a whole long post on that exact topic that got deleted when they threw the old forums into the abyss.

[surreal depot]

Ur Roosevelt video is filled with hackusations

[rich cosmos]

Im not comparing anything to year 1 div2 or div 1

[surreal depot]

People like the "why ur Elmo no recoil" guy is the reason why ARs have no kick

Casual community would scream

[gloomy spruce]

So core mechanics of this game, right? I thought that was what you were referring to.

[rich cosmos]

The core mechanic, red core blue core skill tier

Not that hard to understand

[vestal ibex]

Can confirm Dien has no div 1 hacks cause he got clapped more than me in survival.

[onyx sage]

so true

[rich cosmos]

Red cores are honestly to blame for a lot of builds not being viable and not being usable in any form of hard content

[vestal ibex]

Wat? I love red core builds

It's like all I have.

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage when will sir gimme his aimbot

[gloomy spruce]

So you mean the dependence of red core attributes to make weapons increase damage?

[gloomy spruce]

Sarcasm detected

[surreal depot]

I also want to pre aim enemies behind door

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

I do tho.

[onyx sage]

when you fix this damn door

[gloomy spruce]

That is not all you have

[rich cosmos]

I don’t have a problem with talents or gearsets that increase weapon damage, however red cores do cause a problem

[surreal depot]

Sir the foundry door is fixed

[vestal ibex]

Aside of healer/EP/raid only tanks yeah, it's like 95% of my kit.

[onyx sage]

DUA door when

[gloomy spruce]

I love skill builds, I was miffed when DH came out and everything was DPS or go home.

[surreal depot]

Sir we cannot fit 2 fat fks in there

It's not licensed to

[rich cosmos]

Skill builds are 💤

[vestal ibex]

I just think this game messed up with skills. They tried to make them compete with the agent and they cannot compete with a gun on the skill build for damage. Skills should be utility or something else.

[rich cosmos]

Seeker mine ones are kinda cool

[rich cosmos]

The core system simply does need a rework for the third game

[vestal ibex]

They need to work on this "cover system" bs first.

[gloomy spruce]

So you want everyone to do the same amount of damage? No specialization into skill or damage?

[vestal ibex]

Really it should be a list of issues and the worst offenders are different per person cause of preference in play.

[rich cosmos]

Skill damage no, weapon damage yes, weapon damage should be exclusively tied to perks, maybe bring back higher percentages of crit chance to compensate for instances of damage, make damage builds more about recoil control and headshot damage

[gloomy spruce]

That sounds a lot like gear 1.0 when it was originally released.

[rich cosmos]

It would make damage builds more involved and allow many non damage builds to still be involved in the core gameplay loop

[gloomy spruce]

Gear 1.0 had that. You could with enough knowledge make a build that could do everything. It devolved in the course of a year.

People complained and we had the episode with a particular massive dev convo on twitter with a video.

Gear 2.0 had the intro of primary attribute cores.

[rich cosmos]

Well here is what the problem is, we either more towards builds about mixing and matching, or we have damage builds reign supreme

There is no in between

[gloomy spruce]

There is in my mind. We create circumstances where damage alone is not enough. The modifiers introduced look like one attempt.

[worn mango]

With a 20 mag and my weighting F2k becomes clear choice first in class lol

Don't mind the exotics since they don't get attachments, they're just there tagging along

[vestal ibex]

Eh weapon attachments=more DPS

Anything with more attachments is probably a bit higher than suggested there.

[worn mango]

Well then you'd put more importance on attachments

[gloomy spruce]

Were you around during gear 1.0?

[worn mango]

50/50 it's FAMAS

[vestal ibex]

Meh these charts mean little to me.

[worn mango]

It's just math lol

[gloomy spruce]

But the sacred meta and the math... think of the mathematicians

[vestal ibex]

Recoil control and spread mean something too.

[worn mango]

Yes and is a complete personal preference, something you can't control on variables. Therefore you have a baseline for what's important and then you work from there

[vestal ibex]

If you at X distance miss more shots that .5% difference is nothing.

[worn mango]

Yes?

[vestal ibex]

I always tell people to not sweat the numbers and to pick what they hit more shots on.

[gloomy spruce]

But the meta, who will think about the meta?

[vestal ibex]

It's all recommended by "great" players anyway. No one uses the spreadsheet meta weapons anyway.

[hexed steppe]

Idk, mortar build boom booms can be pretty substantial damage

[gloomy spruce]

There was that time I got told that my Honey Badger was trash and that I should use a St Elmos. I am just a newb so I need to spend more time leveling it up. 😦

[onyx sage]

exotic is better bro

it's rarer so it's better

[hexed steppe]

Every build needs exotics x2

[vestal ibex]

You do all your leagues with it right?

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, its not like it will ever get a nerf, right?

[hexed steppe]

I do actually

[gloomy spruce]

I plan to run a ST elmos with a ninjabike from now on!

[onyx sage]

yeah, if they nerf the game will be dead and I'll stop playing so they won't

[hexed steppe]

I main mortar unless it's a mission with a bunch of emp shit

[onyx sage]

man i can't imagine saying that stuff with a straight face

[vestal ibex]

Get all 10s this time first try right?

[surreal depot]

I hit more shots on merciless

[vestal ibex]

You shoot slow enough and you can do 100% acc

[surreal depot]

That's why everyone should use determined

[gloomy spruce]

I know and I can laugh at myself as well. In all seriousness, I just want a "kid's first build" that players can use to get strong and then I want a series of mechanics that then force them to improve in other areas.

I am not a fan of metas, but what I want has been somewhat consistent for 5 years.

[hexed steppe]

For the most part.
Tbh, you could run through with a bad patriot build and get 10/10 first try. I just dont bother with a headshot/eclipse/lady death build for hard or challenging league

I think I just did 3 and 3 for the 60 this time

[surreal depot]

I had to bleed 250 true sons cuz I missed 1st week

[onyx sage]

use the bleed gun

regular or something i forgot the name

[vestal ibex]

I'm just not sure if this is a joke or if you seriously think the unicorn HE mortar build is on the same level as "gun" builds.

[surreal depot]

Sir they keep dying to explosion

[gloomy spruce]

OD was my best friend for that challenge

[surreal depot]

I had to use blue build regulus sir

[gloomy spruce]

Ongoing directive looks at itself and says "am I not worthy of your time sir?"

[onyx sage]

why are you navy rain

[surreal depot]

I only know bleed gun

[surreal depot]

Because he has a better zoo time than u

[hexed steppe]

You're not gonna take it on a raid or incursion, but for the most part it gets through everything the same. I'll usually have more damage than some of the dps I get paired with

[surreal depot]

I took it to a raid and incursion

[vestal ibex]

I don't think MM should be any measuring stick ever.

[onyx sage]

aim assist gaming bro

[surreal depot]

Bro aimbot > aim assist

[last snow]

I was hoping someone can help or give advice on the best way to get a walker and harris co pack to drop with chc and chd with the companion talent been farming for awhile and no luck whatsoever any advice on best way to get it to drop would be much appreciated

[vestal ibex]

Regardless I didn't make a comment of "can clear content" cause grey gear meets that requriement.

[onyx sage]

solo zoo with gray gear

[hexed steppe]

Is this some elitism leaking out today?
It's a good enough measure considering it's mostly what I do and it's with a variety of builds/experience levels...

[gloomy spruce]

A lot of people use targeted gear in countdown or summit. Just farm for Walker and Harris. It maybe slow, but Walker and Harris rolls red so you should be able to get what you are looking for with some persistence.

[surreal depot]

Waiting for the video bro

[onyx sage]

no this is your turn

[surreal depot]

Sir I play deadlock

And there's already YT misinformation about amps in that game

Come clear misinformation sir

[onyx sage]

sir u play deadlock, u clean misinformation

[surreal depot]

Sir I don't know math

[last snow]

@gloomy spruce ok I appreciate it been on this journey for awhile now and still no luck need it all rolled that way so I can change to blue core and still have my crit hopefully it'll drop soon always seems things drop when I stop trying to get what I'm looking for lmao

[gloomy spruce]

I get confused about the amp'd vs added damage buffs in this game. The explanation text can be as confusing as legal documents.

[vestal ibex]

It's a factual statement? I know you love your mortar build but don't get hurt over the facts.

[surreal depot]

This is why you always test stuff

I don't believe shit unless I test

[gloomy spruce]

Backpacks and chest pieces can be the hardest to farm with the rolls you want. You have to be persistent.

[surreal depot]

Not just in div

[gloomy spruce]

It is the only way to do it. The game and the real world are loaded with hidden variables.
You have to use the scientific method.

[hexed steppe]

Will have to see how they stack up after all these nerfs go through /s

[vestal ibex]

HH ain't get no nerf....

[hexed steppe]

HH ain't dps

[magic pilot]

Change second to shot 🤣

[vestal ibex]

I mean it really works the same way your mortar build does so....

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbHNG2U1yBcAOSDz3CoWkusLPFHpAGzFH3q1Tl2sOg4v1tqnjMJuQ3gIgBOMCHGSALOBAzYC+OwgB2RB2GF0IYLVgBWDdpLR0pjJZhA any hints?

[wise swallow]

why so many blues

blood sucker and intim is a weird choice

I feel like youd be better off using a real SMG and HF

[livid mesa]

Survivability

[wise swallow]

if you want to use blood sucker and intim

[livid mesa]

I don't really feel comfortable with all red ARs

I mostly like 4 blues 2 reds

Should I put the backpack in there?

[wise swallow]

Use an SMG and hunters fury for that play style.
or striker if you wanna use ARs.
Nego and high blue count dont really play that well together in my opinion

I dont see nego as a run and gun build

[livid mesa]

3 blues then?

I mean that's good too

But anyways

[wise swallow]

Id do as little as possible with a better AR. not chameleon lol

[urban latch]

If you want a close up version Id go obliterate/memento instead \

[livid mesa]

I think I'll go with the backpack and then sombra obliterate

[urban latch]

memento gets you all the survivability you need and the rest of your cores can go red

[livid mesa]

Got tired of it

[peak glen]

What’s the strongest build

right now I have 4 piece striker build trying to get coyotes mask

[wise swallow]

striker

[urban latch]

for what?

[peak glen]

Pve

[rich cosmos]

Striker

[urban latch]

Without being more specific, then it's anything from eclipse, regulus/D50 headhunter, strikers, nego, or hunters fury.

[onyx sage]

harvest headhunter...

the future is now

[tulip charm]

When does the event end

[urban latch]

The future is everyone running 1886 determined because they buffed it way too much

[onyx sage]

💀

[peak glen]

I don’t feel like I could maintain striker stacks so what do you think is a better damage build for me

[tulip charm]

High End.

No Stacks required.

[wise swallow]

Hunters fury

[urban latch]

Nego

Also again, it matters what activity your talking about, there's no single answer here

[peak glen]

aight thank you

[wise swallow]

lol

[rich cosmos]

?

You shoot enemies

[wise swallow]

I mean I find the same thing sometimes, cant find enough people to shoot and end up sitting at 50ish stacks

[magic pilot]

Highest dps rifle lol

[urban latch]

The SR-1 is currently the 2nd strongest MMR. Thats being nerfed to a lower damage than the 1886 will be buff to

[magic pilot]

That's insane

[wise swallow]

💀

[magic pilot]

Virginian Nego builds🤷‍♂️

[wise swallow]

what is determined on rifles again? guaranteed crit?

[magic pilot]

Same as normal

[paper bluff]

good build that goes with with akm?

[livid mesa]

I tasted the ND backpack, it's good, it's literally good

[rich lotus]

does the exotic FAL have an 8x scope I'm not in PTR

[wise swallow]

no. no scope at all

[rich lotus]

darn

[wise swallow]

idk if thats intended or not

[rich lotus]

still cool though, but id rather use focus on ND than obliterate cause its what im using to 🙂

[wise swallow]

there is what looks like either a 8x or 3.4x

[tawdry raven]

it has a scope model but no scope which is funny cuz elmo has a scope with no reticle or model. The dread edict didnt have a scope model either for a while but got one a few updates back when its entire model was improved

[wise swallow]

elmo scopes is really weird

brings the gun down instead of staying center

[wise swallow]

elmo has irons

and the scope is a 1x so ig thats why

[upper patrol]

Haven't played for a long time, is this buld still good? Or are there any better alternatives?

[tawdry raven]

i dont use ceska but ur not shd 1000 yet so u do prob need the crit chance but u could easily run striker chest with ouroburos it builds up stacks real fast, swap gloves/holster/kneepads for the ceska if u do need the crit chance

if u wanna min max ur dmg, tho u prob wont reach max stacks if ur doing openworld content but missions/countdown/summit u could totally use striker chest

but also a little warning theres really good odds that builds getting nerfed hard next season

[upper patrol]

oh ok

Honestly surprised it hasn't been nerfed yet

[tawdry raven]

devs are trying something bold who knows how itll turn out

[rich cosmos]

Hopefully it goes through

Devs need to be making bold decisions

[tawdry raven]

not if it pushes the remaining ppl away

[tulip charm]

The build is still good. In the Pts i did get a nerf but it’s still viable in there. Also personally I wouldn’t striker chest unless its for raid, leg, incursions.

[rich cosmos]

They won’t leave lmao

[tawdry raven]

idk community's already split on the changes

[tulip charm]

It’s getting nerf but i feel like they’re gonna revert the ammo change.

[tawdry raven]

more than just oreo, EB took a massive hit

[tulip charm]

Define “massive”

[tawdry raven]

-10k dmg and i checked a dps chart it def went down

[tulip charm]

So still viable

[tawdry raven]

huh elmo burst went up 40k

[rich lotus]

the ammo change is kinda silly i get the dmg thing tho. id use ouro as an alternative to build stacks

[tawdry raven]

if u need a stack stick why not just use aa12

[tawdry raven]

whether its viable or not its stats being nearly identical to the elmo is troll

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

To me the gun is reserved for pvp use.

[tawdry raven]

i rarely use exotic ARs in PvE but if i do its EB

things too iconic

[rich lotus]

kind of nice to see the spas buff but i still dont understand why double barrel is not the highest in raw dmg even if the pellet spread is supposedly tighter than other shotguns

[magic pilot]

And it got a buff on the attachements

It's called balancing

[tawdry raven]

+5% crit dmg doesn't offset -10k dmg

[magic pilot]

5% chc and 5% chd

10k dmg is peanuts

Eagle bearer is still 4th in dps

[tulip charm]

15 chc and 20 chd is alot for an ar

anyways its only pts number and it can change

[magic pilot]

Not to mention it has a dmg talent in PvP still, will need to test after pts though

[worn mango]

For an AR, considering you can get 15 CHC, 30 CHD or a combination somewhere in there, at max on an HE, having both is still insane

I really need to do the raids/incursion to get my hands on those guns

Also OD with Wicked/Chest/Sadist might be a little gross if the changes go through. Don't say I didn't warn ya

[tulip charm]

Keep it lowkey. I don't want them to not go through with OD.

[magic pilot]

the chest still isnt worth using

[worn mango]

Going to 50% amp it definitely will be along with 30% sadist amp

[magic pilot]

it would still be better to run glass at its a unique amp

[worn mango]

Thing is it's so easy to keep that 50% while also amping your team 20%

[magic pilot]

so is glass 🤷‍♂️

[worn mango]

You're already glassy as it is though haha

Truthfully I haven't used glass in forever. What get's perfect glass again?

[magic pilot]

30% amp 60% more incoming dmg

[worn mango]

I mean what brand gets perfect

[magic pilot]

providence

i use the 2 pc for OD

ill send a build link if you want to test

[worn mango]

Yeah I'll slam it in my calc tomorrow. I'm just testing out a bunch of pre and post patch stuff for shits and gigs

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0GZQBlBGUwydFy3QFzAJwInPAVgA5Uz00Nx4xIbQA2Q8lijAdnxngtda1ooefXpRBcCokag7x47Zs2AwALLmLM2U7Rm0jdu6UkN6oQA

[shut skiff]

Should I start working on a build as soon as I hit 40

[magic pilot]

yes

[shut skiff]

Got it

YouTube? Or nah they give bad builds

[magic pilot]

check the pinned builds

[urban latch]

The update will make the OD chest match PGC, but without requiring prov or having the increased incoming damage.

[magic pilot]

hmmm

same amp?

[urban latch]

It's literally the exact same lol. 1.2 x 1.25 = 1.5 vs 1.5

[magic pilot]

well thats interesting

new holster plus vigi backpack?

[urban latch]

Probably coyotes/vigi or wicked

That 10% chc from coyotes gets even more important with the ceska nerf

[magic pilot]

is the holster WD or TWD or an amp?

i see that making its way into the sleipnir raid build

[urban latch]

I didn't test the holster, probably should have...

iKia probably would know though

[worn mango]

What is picarro going to now?

Oh you mean the new exotic one huh

Also always having 18% wicked because it's basically always proc'd anyway would seemingly be more valuable than vigi

[shut skiff]

I couldn’t figure out how to use it

[magic pilot]

id rather have a higher top end tbh, but its preference

[worn mango]

Oh for sure. Also I just watched gameplay of that holster, that might be great for Scorpio/AR. Scorpio gets the mag size and reload speed to still get one mag procs, AR gets the rof and damage

From reading it I think it would just be additive total weapon damage but for sure will need to be looked at

850 rof F2k turns into 1190 with gunner/striker/holster

Or take a HE FAL to 980

[kind reef]

coming back after like a year of not played so besides St. Elmo + striker what's good? (recently restarted on pc so my exotics are very limited)

[hazy steeple]

There's actually a mass re-balance happening soon, so make sure any info you get is covered by that.
In the meantime (before the rebalance), the builds in the 📌 spreadsheet will cover you.

[kind reef]

oh my thanks for the heads up <3

[bitter grove]

I found a video where you are only based on skills, and the drone + turret does a lot of damage. Using it to run heroic in solo PVE. I will try this one ! https://youtu.be/smJ9DGIMBl4?si=gE6PwdAYyun08atv

The other build i need to try is the foundry like in this video : https://youtu.be/WEjm5FVfs34?si=IVEpQ_h2M6uvAO6C

For people who try these two builds, what's your thinking?

[upper patrol]

rip boros? 👀

[bright raptor]

turret + drone works until you encounter a mission (or Summit floor) with generous amounts of EMP generators

also you basically have to be a Division YouTuber to think that Waveform + oxidizer + the Technician Hive is a remotely good idea

[worn mango]

Artificer damage go brrrtttt

[shy hemlock]

I always seem to default back to my Scorpio/HF build.

I'm sure other builds do way more damage, but being able to reliably charge straight into enemies is too fun haha

[worn mango]

Well Hunter's Fury is exponential amp so it is very good

I find my problem with HF is just general survivability. I feel like I can never take a second off when I'm using. Always gotta be on my toes lol

[vestal ibex]

idk 50% HOK and 20% AOK is good survivability.

[shy hemlock]

I definitely feel pretty tanky at times with HF

Full build is Gunner, Shield, Banshee Pulse

Scorpio/Momento

Zero Fs/Dark Winter

4 piece HF

Though yeah, I do feel like I have to be very proactive. Either making sure I'm sufficiently killing to regen armor, grabbing momento drops for bonus armor, or using shield or Banshee.

Definitely not a sit and soak damage kind of survivability

[worn mango]

I use Firewall for the better shield so I don't get the extra gunner AoK, but I get what you're going for

I think I rolled two armor on two of my pieces but I genuinely forget my build now

[shy hemlock]

I've got 5 weapon damage and 2 armors (thanks to Momento having all 3)

[worn mango]

Might have to go Oblit/Memento and give it a run again today

See if I have any exotic shotties I have to get proficient

[shy hemlock]

If you're looking for extra survivability, unkillible (or perfect if you have Zero F) is hugely helpful

[worn mango]

Unbreakable?

[shy hemlock]

Right mistype 😆

[worn mango]

I could slap that on my Sokolov if need be

I was thinking to myself I've never heard of that talent before lol

[shy hemlock]

The number of times Zero Fs has saved my ass because I wasn't paying attention and my armor broke

[worn mango]

"Oh hey you're playing with fog of war and didn't see me creep up behind, gotcha"

[shy hemlock]

The build makes Rogue Agent encounters amusing "Hi, welcome to Stunlock"

[worn mango]

And with Golden Bullet everything go brrtt

[shy hemlock]

Omg Scorpio with the Golden Bullet just feels like cheating lmao

[rich cosmos]

Thats because scorpio is top 3 guns in the game

Right next to oreo and two scorpios

[shy hemlock]

I'm honestly surprised it wasn't hit with a more substantial nerf

[rich cosmos]

It did

Well it will

Its getting curbstomped if they don’t end up changing its nerfs

The gun itself is getting nerfed and the talent is getting nerfed

[vestal ibex]

Scorp might just make it out of OP territory with it's purposed changes imo.

[urban latch]

Scorpio will still be a top tier weapon, it just won't be absurdly OP as it is now

[shy hemlock]

What's Scorpios base weapon again? I'm blanking

[gloomy spruce]

6-12?

or is it the 12-6?

[urban latch]

Six12

[gloomy spruce]

Thanks

I knew it was something like that.

[shy hemlock]

Ah I see, so yeah was nerfed still doesn't seem like it's been ruined though. Higher reload speed is probably what's gonna take the most getting used to

I'll have to see how it feels once the patch goes live but with the global buffs possible in 2.0 I'm guessing it'll still feel fine

[worn mango]

Sad thing is that the reload is also getting nerfed. I think that's the bigger downfall other than the stacks

[shy hemlock]

Mmhm reload time is substantial, but I also can't say I'm surprised.

Scorpio is OP

[bright raptor]

at least it's because the talent is/was very strong, rather than the death by stat sticks of Elmo and Ouroboros

[solar sable]

Elmo's did not die, wth.

[rich cosmos]

Yeah elmos nerf isn’t even that bad and its technically buffed as well

As it has higher base damage

[jagged marlin]

Nothing really died, no change is that drastic

[solar sable]

I do believe oreo was "killed", but not Elmo's. It's just not that nerfed

[shy hemlock]

Yeah so far it all seems like tweaking more than anything.

For most that is

[jagged marlin]

Oreo will still clear all the content of the game, that's not really being killed

[solar sable]

That's why I added "" because it's not

[jagged marlin]

The mentality that if something isn't BIS it is useless makes no sense

[rich cosmos]

Its pretty bad now

Like it basically lost the reason of why it was so strong

[solar sable]

imo using oreo was so op that it started to feel boring

[rich cosmos]

Its talent was almost nonexistent

[jagged marlin]

Well yea, but because it isn't strong doesn't mean it isn't viable

[vestal ibex]

No one cared about it's talent just like the Elmo.

[rich cosmos]

Elmos talent at least helped regardless

[vestal ibex]

A weapon with that much burst and mag damage is just insane.

[solar sable]

Both weapons were easy to use and not to be focused about their talent

[rich cosmos]

Oreo needs a reworked talent (never happening)

[solar sable]

even if it gets reworked I doubt it'll be the same as it was

[vestal ibex]

If they increased the strength of the status effect it would be a lot better.

[rich cosmos]

The sandbox would be so much more interesting if the goofy and fun exotics were actually good

[solar sable]

I fell in love with chatter
don't mind me saying this over and over again

[rich cosmos]

I don’t mind it but its not my thing

I don’t really use the smgs anyways

Im really confused why they gave bluescreen MORE reload speed instead of crit chance

Its like they want to turn bluescreen into an ar stat wise at this point

[solar sable]

I sacrificed my god rolled bluescreen for a good reason

[shy hemlock]

Outside of my Scorpio build I think my favorite is probably my Mantis/Aces&Eights/Chainkiller build.

Mantis allowing for nigh unlimited decoy use makes it probably my favorite sniper, even over Nemesis

[cosmic forum]

Hey, what would be the best talent for MP7 striker builds?

[urban latch]

Right now, strained or fast hands

[magic pilot]

It's still top dps wdym?

[rich lotus]

HI GUYS

IM NEW HERE

PLS BE NICE

[magic pilot]

Oh god not him

[rich lotus]

😭

[rich cosmos]

Pts oreo

[magic pilot]

Yea it's still top dps

[rich cosmos]

I mean its a vector

But so many other guns are going to be better than it

[magic pilot]

877k burst still

Tac vector no talent is first HE at 809k

[urban latch]

Pts ouro is nerfed pretty significantly tbh. It's similar to Elmo's now where it's damage is basically on par with HE guns, so you lose that opportunity cost of your exotic weapon, but it's damage per mag is trash with that mag size and damage reduction.

It 100% needed a nerf, but tbh I think it's a little much.

[magic pilot]

It should still be a top option imo, hopefully some of the nerfs are pulled back

It's still incursion locked so

[rich cosmos]

Its not worth using for an exotic

[rich lotus]

Dark Winter best gun in the game akshually cause Killer buff 😜

cannot wait for content creator builds!!!!

[wise glen]

Considering upcoming nerfs which smg, assault rifle and sniper rifle should i farm at the countdowns?

[onyx sage]

why are you here

[worn mango]

Just grab anything that has DTTOOC because we don't know if the numbers are finalized yet. That then gives you the ability to roll talent. Or if it's named, high rolls so you can reroll stat 3

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's not gonna be that different from now anyway.

[worn mango]

No but it's nice to just have options anyway

A good rolled gun is nice to have for variety

[vestal ibex]

I mean there are options now and farming is going to be just as easy next season if easier cause of the new modifiers.

[wise glen]

i see, so no particular item having the upperhand at the moment

[worn mango]

To me the top AR's will be FAMAS, FAL, C-TAR, F2000 and Honey Badger. But you might hate those options

[versed summit]

White Death is looking to be the best MMR again

[rich lotus]

Honey Badger

so good man

[tulip charm]

omg he's back

[onyx sage]

technically model 700 is still the best but i hate the reload

[vestal ibex]

Just 4 pc hots and determined....

[onyx sage]

🤮

the determined part, not the 4p hotshot part

[versed summit]

Ah true, the extra HSD is nice tho

[onyx sage]

just like you carrying me in zoo later

[versed summit]

Uhhhhhhhhh yeah man

[rich lotus]

this rotor blades guy is super sus

[versed summit]

Yeah he uses built in determined. It’s super brazy

[vestal ibex]

You seen his flicks? And he looks at spawns before they even spawn!!!

[patent fossil]

preaimbot

the hacks of the future

[onyx sage]

just like u sir

[paper dust]

i am still going trough the campain so not lvl 40 yet, am i just looking at the highest gear level for now?

[onyx sage]

yes

[paper dust]

gotcha, thanks!

[shy hemlock]

Yeah I can't with that reload time, it's so painful

[tawdry raven]

did the sniper that looks like dsr 50 from bo2 get nerfed?

[vestal ibex]

These are PTS notes and may not be final tho.

[tawdry raven]

wow it took a heavy hit

prob still one shot tho hopefully

[vestal ibex]

Anything over 400k base damage is good to go for legendary.

[tawdry raven]

i dont play legendary

[vestal ibex]

So the M44 will probably be the next top recommended sniper.

[tawdry raven]

but its under 400k

[solar sable]

Mmm, i'm seeing m700 "on top" of SR-1

[vestal ibex]

???

[tawdry raven]

sr1

i knew it was too good to be true when the sr1 exotic skin was on sale

[vestal ibex]

Model 700 is top loaded and takes forever and tbh it's damage is overkill.

[tawdry raven]

bait before nerf

[rich cosmos]

People rising from the graves to use the lightweight m4 skin

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you don't fret with legendary sniping it's not that big a deal.

[tawdry raven]

pink flower one?

[rich cosmos]

Ye

[tawdry raven]

dark winter users eating the most tbh

[rich cosmos]

The cherry blossom skin thats absolutely peak

[tawdry raven]

watch gems skin be back within the first month of next season

[vestal ibex]

Also one thing to note about snipers is the white death used to be top high end sniper and it was never nerfed so yeah these things are just overkill mostly.

[tawdry raven]

hah just seen a pts clip in descent of someone using m4 with all the fire rate skills things an AR

[rich lotus]

model 700 (napkin) math is gonna be about 29 million full headhunter with 26 expertise after patch, you need 26 million to kill elites in legendary so might be rough for some

[onyx sage]

keep in mind weapon talents like optimist or ranger help a lot with it too

[rich lotus]

I sweated with Nemesis for years. I'm going to enjoy determined as long as I can

[subtle shadow]

Looking for a tank setup to get into raiding/ legendary missions any recommendations had a look through the spreadsheet but not sure if anything changed since

[rich lotus]

Tanks aren't super popular for group legendary or raiding tbh... Legendary summit solo is a different thing though and I find tanks are pretty comfy there

[tulip charm]

Well the one in the spreadsheet should still work. But the only place tanks build sees any action is in IH. No clue in summit tho.

[subtle shadow]

Ah Ty haven't got into any of it yet so I had no clue is there anything somewhat tanky/DPS that is popular.

Using a skill build currently (turret and drone) and would rather not be on that much of a thin line whilst learning harder content lil

[subtle shadow]

Ty that makes sense I had no clue lol.

[tulip charm]

Have you tried HB or running some blues on striker/hunter fury aswell as running memento for solo play?

[subtle shadow]

No nothing else yet just started getting back into the game so I've got a somewhat decent build for skill but looking into other builds now and am not really sure what's a good path haha

[tulip charm]

You got plenty of options it enterly depends on your playstyle.

[subtle shadow]

Yeah was kinda looking into maybe like a regen tankier build just kind of want something that at least is less glassy. The issue is there are so many options and I kind of want to prioritise first from other peoples experiences seen striker is like the most common build so may start there and branch out.

[tulip charm]

I mean you can use run strikers with memento and call it a day lol

[subtle shadow]

Lol sounds good thanks for the help will start working on that now

[tulip charm]

Note that it’s not really ideal if you plan on going to do group content. If you are just add some blues to and run an actual backpack.

[subtle shadow]

Yeah I'll have a look at the spreadsheet and videos

[hexed steppe]

Have a look at hunters fury as well. It pairs well with memento, the set has armor in kill, and disorients nearby npcs on kill.
Cqb build puts you in proximity of the memento trophies so pickups are pretty constant .
Works great as a shotty/smg dps or shotty/pistol headhunter build depending on setup

[onyx sage]

this uses a shield and has self healing 😎

just not a tank

[subtle shadow]

@hexed steppe thanks 100% will that sounds pretty good.

[subtle shadow]

Lol looks pretty nice tbf

[onyx sage]

it's a speedrunning build, kind of on the extreme but it's the shotgun headhunter setup local was mentioning

[subtle shadow]

Nice Ty think I'm gonna set up striker first then I'll probably look into that.

Seems pretty easy to at least get a functioning build which is nice so I can just try out a ton of things. Of course they won't be optimized but that can be sorted out once I've settled

[solar sable]

You don't necessarily need your builds fully optimised if you're just using them for fun or to have variety. You can optimise your gear if you're gonna main/"abuse" that build

[rich lotus]

100% - play the game, understand the game and work with things that at least kind of make sense and you can do most or all content

[hexed steppe]

yup, for the most part youll get a lot of gear thats almost maxed anyways. just stick with challenging and up if possible. countdown is king for farming atm

[onyx sage]

playing against the AI is the more fun part than building to me tbh. i never run out of fun fighting them

[carmine furnace]

For legendaries: catharsis, Golan BP with adrenaline, Hunter-killer chest, 3 improvised pieces. Everywhere is armor, chc, chdand Pfe mods. Firewall spec with its shield, scorpio, shieldbreaker.
Raid: catharsis, belstone BP, yaahl chest, cavalier gloves and holster, emperor's guard. Everywhere is hazpro and armor regen. Pfe mods. Technician spec.

[rocky rain]

I like a build to maximize damage using the Seeker Mines and fast reuses. Tried with Emperor named chest (Caesar) & BP (Battery Pack), 1 China, 1 Wyvern, Emperors Guard and Contractors loaded with Skill Damage and Skill Haste but on Heroic it doesn’t kill enough to let the Perfectly Skilled talent reset the skills. Any hints or is it just not strong enough?

[shy willow]

hard wired might be your thing

[rocky rain]

Tried it but seems to be of lesser damage and still needs 20s for a reset

PS, I ideally would like to have 2 yellow Grupos but don’t have good ones yet

[shy willow]

the bag takes it down to 10 seconds iirc

its what all the seeker spammers use

[rocky rain]

Oké thanks. Will compare them.

[hexed steppe]

seekers always gonna be either low damage /fast cooldown, or better damage / slow cooldown. you can split the difference by using highend with glass /tech support and maybe btsu /stinger hive. youll be able to oc and get your seeker off cooldown quick sometimes, and the stinger hive is like 20-40mil (depending on build) in a nice little package.
personally i would take mortar over seeker any day of the week. big damage/fast cooldown.
i use the same concept on my mortar build, but it could be adapted for seekers easily.

[hexed steppe]

but judging your current setup, make the bag empress tech support or china strategic alignment. keep ceasar chest, and swap knee to 3rd empress (this will give efficiency which will be 10% skill damage and 10% status effects).
so 3 empress, china, contractors, wyvern regardless of where they are placed. the total skill damage from either bag will be a big boost to your current. if you use capacitor, itll give you another 12% dta and up to 60% skill damage.

[rocky rain]

@hexed steppe Thank you very much for this extended reply, highly appreciated!
I will check it out!!

[worn mango]

Mortar propaganda again from @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

always

[rocky rain]

Nothing wrong with some good propaganda

[vestal ibex]

If we get the PTS hardwire changes it'll really be seeker spam.

[urban latch]

Yeah, the HW buffs are pretty big

[rocky rain]

About the Strategic Alignment, do seeker mines also apply a status effect??

[rich lotus]

all of them but the cluster seeker do

seeker is bleed, airburst is fire, cluster is nothing

[hexed steppe]

I dont think the clusters do, but you can pair it with a different skill that does. Or scorpio .
Other options are tech support on kill, or use what I use -combined arms on weapon hit..
Combined is strongest but high maintenance

I use stinger hive a lot and that bleeds.

[rocky rain]

Test Subject

[hexed steppe]

Put dta on it. Skill builds are pretty flexible

[rocky rain]

DTA better than DTTOC?

[solar sable]

On certain circumstances ↑
(I never knew you could use dta on skill builds)

[hexed steppe]

Yeah explosives and oxi can use it, with oxi benefiting from dttooc as well

Nothing for the kinetics tho

[onyx sage]

for explosive and fire skills they only care about DTA

[hexed steppe]

Cap and shotguns the best options for explosive/fire since higher dta available

[rocky rain]

Ah, didn’t know that. Complex game…

OK, have a Cap rolled with DTTOC so hopefully I’ll loot another one soon

[hexed steppe]

That works. Cap has dta as 2nd roll

[rocky rain]

Ah, Nice. Thanks so much

[vestal ibex]

Relevant to the DTA and DTTOOC convo...

[rich lotus]

hardwired does nothing for chem launcher right

[urban latch]

It can refresh an ammo. The cooldown are quick though, so it's generally not helpful

[rich lotus]

im pretty sure i have your oxi build. would be nice if you could just machine gun that like lucky shot in descent

[urban latch]

You can with pummel lol

As long as your actively killing things, pummel will reset all your oxys every 3 kills

[rich lotus]

that's pretty awesome, i did not know that

[urban latch]

It's relatively new, it didn't use to do that but changed with project resolve

[onyx sage]

project resolve 2 coming soon to undo that...

[jagged marlin]

But no determined fix

[rich lotus]

Honestly, if we just made determined not work in pvp would there legitimately be an issue?

I've never seen an otherwise bad player just mopping up mobs like a cheatcode in group legendary, maybe I need to play more I dunno

[urban latch]

Balance in pve is still important to have and it's completely OP

[jagged marlin]

I'd say balance in pve is much less of an issue because a person can simply choose not to play something

[rich lotus]

If determined worked as intended 50% of the time, I'd just use a damage talent and still play MMR cause I like them, and we'd go back to seeing basically nobody playing with MMRs. Sniping in group is pure sweat.

[urban latch]

Even in a 100% solo player game balance is important for a good game, it's something that's taken for granted a lot of the time. But division pve also isn't intended for only solo play. Group play is a very key part, and you absolutely need balance in group pve.

[jagged marlin]

It is bad game design to keep something like determined in the game, but most other solo pve games tend to have something akin to determined in their own flavor, or people can just simply mod the game.

In division group play is very much optional, and people can choose to play with people or not, depending on group management.

[rich lotus]

Require 12x scope or specialization scope, howabout that? 😛

granted you can't use it in legendary currently, but id say 1886 determined is absolutely broken and id be fine if it ONLY worked with scope

[jagged marlin]

1886 determined works in solo legendary plenty fine, even right now

[rich lotus]

it cant kill elites

[urban latch]

I'd also argue it's not the low skill players that really expose how unbalanced it is, even though there's the reputation of determined removing all skill. In the hands of a good player is really when it's completely busted.

[rich lotus]

without an event buff

[jagged marlin]

The 1886 without event buffs can easily hit 20 mil

[rich lotus]

and elites have 26 million in 4 man legendary

[jagged marlin]

Well yea, I meant solo legendary

[rich lotus]

solo schmolo

[urban latch]

The pts version was hitting this...

[rich lotus]

yeah i know, 25% damage buff

[urban latch]

It's so dumb lol

[rich lotus]

that's legitimately broken

my fastest TTK in gunrange (with a gun) is 2.9 seconds on 6 very hard targets (1886 determined) nothing can even come remotely close to that

[urban latch]

Except regulus 1 shot lol

[rich lotus]

oh shit forgot about that

[jagged marlin]

Well it's not totally just gun considering the explosion does the rest of the killing

[onyx sage]

this is why i underrate determined a lot

[rich lotus]

i dont have a regulus i should probably get one

[onyx sage]

there are very few cases where you have separate spawns where regulus aoe is less relevant

[rich lotus]

i wonder if the rate of fire is actually higher than 160 like it is with the 1886

[onyx sage]

so if you can aim at heads, regulus is just better

and determined makes you arguably worse at aiming at heads

[jagged marlin]

Well it's more than just aiming, you'd need a high degree of map awareness and timing

[onyx sage]

that's not being discussed

that's already implied

[rich lotus]

do you guys do hunters fury or high end for your regulus builds OOC

[onyx sage]

depends

i don't use high end because i don't really benefit from it as much as HF, but i know it's used in raids for ad clear and various stuff. again i don't do raids seriously so i don't speak for it

but in missions and open world HF is arguably stronger. with the recent MMR buffs you can also snipe in addition to fighting close range

[urban latch]

I use both depending on the situation

I tend to use the high end version more for exactly those reasons lol

[onyx sage]

virtuoso is an upcoming set that makes you kill both long and close range, and i find it funny that i play HHF exactly like that

[wanton rose]

can you suggest a good regulus build for legendary? i only hit 20mil with punch drunk, chainkiller and gunslinger holster…

[magic pilot]

HF, dodge, chainkiller

Or replace dodge with vigi bp

[tulip charm]

Also depends on scaling

[sour grove]

Anyone have a decent dz build? I'm looking to do some solo fun in there.

[solar sable]

Check pins > Spreadsheet> PvP Starters Guide

[sour grove]

There's 3 pics non of them say pvp starter guide.

[solar sable]

PvP Starters

[lone blade]

is striker still best run and gun? Or should i use something else ?

[solar sable]

It is, just getting a little nerf next season but it's still on top

[lone blade]

ty ❤️

[magic pilot]

I'm also here if you have any questions or want to build something not on the guide

@sour grove

[sour grove]

Thank you so much!! I may just dm you soon.

[versed summit]

Depending on where and how you’re using it, Hunter’s Fury could be better

[magic pilot]

Nego shotgun is an interesting one

Since 60%. Chc on 8 pellets a shot is a basically always a mark

[versed summit]

Yeah that’s a weird combo

[cinder wren]

Anyone got tank builds?

[versed summit]

Depends for what. There’s some in the pinned spreadsheet though

[zenith moth]

For context: I use an eagle bearer, coyote mask, striker build with obliterate on a chest that gives me 10% armor on kill.

My eagle bearer is only at 97k. I’m wondering if it’s possible that since I’m a higher rank if I can somehow get a better one dropped? Or it’s always the same drop (different talents) and you just gotta level it up?

I usually play solo since I’m friendless so as much damage as possible to regen my armor is preferred. Any thoughts on changes or how to get a better eagle bearer?

[vestal ibex]

All guns are fixed on their base damage. The attributes % is the only thing that changes and you can simply optimize those. Exotics do have a random rolled third talent and DTTOOC is the BIS for this stat, you can reconfigure to get a shot at rolling an EB with that.

[rich lotus]

The one that drops in the DZ has a higher base damage 😉

[rich cosmos]

Me when I lie

[rich lotus]

Never 😎

Go farm one and see for yourself!

[wise swallow]

how about you go farm one and post it

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus @wise swallow Only warning.

[wise swallow]

what did i do

[rich lotus]

Mb pookie

[ornate dome]

Bro I just came from the division 1 how do I create a good build at pvp? Not used to how Simple it is to get gear set prices and what not. I'm so confused

[hazy steeple]

There's a spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel "spreadsheet 2" with a pvp section in the builds tab.

note: there's a mass gear+gun rebalance coming next Season, so it'll only be 100% useful for a little while. The meta likely won't change that much either way though.

[wise swallow]

I think PVP meta will change a decent bit

basic will probably stay the same tho. Headshot builds will be a little better. Umbra will be better too

[hazy steeple]

Will what's there still work?

[rich lotus]

the bulket king buff goes hard

bullet king meta when

[hazy steeple]

Resolve's buff and now another one, as soon as people figure out the right combo it'll be....still bad but more useful.

[wise swallow]

Kinda, youd be better off ignoring most of those and getting good with umbra. However whats in their is still gonna be good just not "meta"

I also see HB being much stronger

So you may want to consider making HB and Umbra over those

[wise swallow]

^

take the builds from PVE and go 4 blue 2 red

[slate wedge]

my umbratile build will be even better

too bad i aint playing anymore

[tulip charm]

Oh wouldn’t umbra or hs builds are going to be much more prevalent with ceska nerf?

[rich cosmos]

Umbra is getting a buff and is going to be good with rifles as well

Umbra might actually become popular

[sterile dome]

Umbra HS regi is quite a choice.

[wanton rose]

why the HF? doesnt it only give 20% bonus dmg at 15m?

[shy willow]

It's free crowd control and amp damage

[onyx sage]

it's exactly because it gives that bonus in that range that it's strong. you want to play regulus at that range anyway

with this bonus, HF is way stronger than high end

[forest trellis]

Best build advise for newbies? just got to lv40 sir/maam

[rich cosmos]

Strikers

Coyote mask, cheska chest piece with obliterate

[forest trellis]

Sir, strikers 4 pc? then coyote mask then cheska chest piece?

[rich cosmos]

Note, strikers, cheska, and obliterate are all getting nerfed, with the talent obliterate possibly being the most noticeable

[rich cosmos]

Yes

In pins there should be a spreadsheet as well

[forest trellis]

where will I farm these sir? Summit or to other mission?

[rich cosmos]

Countdown targeted loot is the easiest way to farm in the game but it can get boring on repeat playthroughs

[forest trellis]

what difficulty best for solo player and newbie haha

[rich cosmos]

Challenging is the best for countdown

[solar sable]

Countdown is a group based mode, up to 8 agents.
Challenging is the best and most played difficulty.

[forest trellis]

Oh okay thank you! sirs! I'll try to matchmake later when I got home. Hope I can match for easier run though

[solar sable]

Once you get into a match, follow the team, don't go alone.
What they're gonna do first is take out the Hunters, hide in this phase as those mfs are strong as hell. Make sure to pick up the things they drop as they are vital for Optimizing or Recalibrating gear. Hunter tags are something that, when the extraction is successful, turns to Countdown Requisition. This req can be used to buy Named Item, Seasonal and Exotic caches.

Going back to the CD match...
Once you've taken down the Hunters, the group will go to the easiest and nearby encounter the match gives. Stick with them. You only need to take down two encounters, the third one is not worth.
After these two encounters are done, the Main mission is going to be unlocked. This main mission often requires teamwork, such as Hacking laptops, destroying cores or gas pumps, etc. When this mission is completed, a big yellow crate can be opened and drops random gear+TL (Targeted Loot).

All loot that you get cannot be stolen from you unless you share it

After aaaall this stuff is done, comes the extraction phase. Where you have 3 minutes to clear a couple of Hunters, Helo reinforcements and some NPC's wandering there.
Fire the flare when there are between 20-10 seconds left on the clock. Then at least three enemy reinforcement helos need to be cleared, then you can extract with 120-130 CD req.

The CD vendor is at the BoO (White House), next to the Seasons Vendor shown up as a little laptop.

This was fun to write down lol

[forest trellis]

Thank you! you breakdown the CD mechs hahaha appreciate sir

[hexed steppe]

I see I have some competition it the essay writing dept

[worn mango]

People using Tip of the Spear just to get signature weapon kills is wild

Golden Bullet and Minigun just isn't enough apparently

[hexed steppe]

golden bullet grenade launcher go brrrr

[worn mango]

Truthfully haven't tried that. I built an EP today just for the skill kills. I was starting to get the flow but me going brrrttt with my guns is much more satisfying lol

[hexed steppe]

last night i was with a random group in heroic regular capitol, at the end when you can spawn lock i just spammed the shit out of the spawn with gl on repeat. was pretty nutty 😅 . golden bullet + mortar build = 😍

[worn mango]

lol

Is that the mortar build that's on the sheet? I haven't even used the mortar at all so I don't even know the tech

[hexed steppe]

no i have a better version. higher damage, but more upkeep

10m mortar hits, 13m when oc. obv with cap stacked

you can get pretty high haste without the pfe

[worn mango]

Damn shots fired at @urban latch. Better

[hexed steppe]

its like 10% more TSD than either listed, and 5% more amp on the non unicorn.

[worn mango]

So what's the gameplay loop? That's the one thing I struggled with initially on the EP. Like what order to do things, how much do I shoot, etc.

[hexed steppe]

ill usually put hive out first then plant mortar somewhere. with combined arms you just gotta tap an npc while mortar is in flight to get the benefit since its only a 3 sec proc

ill use cap if i can get stacks prett easy, otherwise i just insync

[urban latch]

I'm really not a fan of combined arms on that build

[hexed steppe]

ik, but its better damage

[quartz blaze]

Old build of mine from like a year ago , is it still viable ?

[hexed steppe]

yes

striker gives more damage, but youll still get through everything with he

[quartz blaze]

Striker shield you mean ?

[hexed steppe]

no, striker set

but it has ramp up since you stack it. highend has all the damage up front

[quartz blaze]

I personally am going over this expertise sistem now

And also since all the exotics were added is the eagle bearer still meta ?

[hexed steppe]

eb has come back into favor with a recent buff. there is a balance pass coming though and im unsure if eb is affected or not

[quartz blaze]

And also I saw many ppl running an electric assault rifle exotic I think ?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, thats getting a small nerf with upcoming season

st elmo. its basically a laser atm

[quartz blaze]

I can agree lol I saw mostly everyone that’s a high level running it

[hexed steppe]

you also have the oc that you can proc when your mortar goes down to get it back instantly. its only a 10sec cooldown at 100% haste. hive is really quick and can deploy with partial charges in a pinch. also nice for resetting teamates skills like revive hives after they pop

[quartz blaze]

So is it worth trying to grind for the st Elmo if I already have a eb?

[hexed steppe]

yeahj, its an easy grind as well. can drop anywhere

[worn mango]

Yeah I'd say. It's still going to be a viable option. If you're gonna be doing Countdown just slap on Assault Rifles, you'll eventually get one

[quartz blaze]

With it my crit chance is 60 already and damage over 150% (eagle bearer)

[worn mango]

This doesn't sound like gun go brrtt, too hard, don't know what to do with hands

[hexed steppe]

you use the grenade launcher , it can proc combined arms. mortar/hive kills can also refresh your gb

but tbf, i like a bit of input into my builds. i like that mortar and gl have travel time instead of hitscan.

[quartz blaze]

@hexed steppe thanks for the help man you’ve been really nice

[hexed steppe]

welcome back agent

[worn mango]

Just don't listen to his mortar propoganda

[quartz blaze]

Mortar superiority 💯

[worn mango]

You're too far gone agent

[quartz blaze]

Negative

[worn mango]

Good day to farm some Grupo gear though I'll admit. I need to grab a double crit backpack

[hexed steppe]

nice little gb trick with the hive. keep putting it down and popping it as you move from one area to the next to keep gb active 😉