td2-build-advice

[urban latch]

Very little. it's essentially just armor that will regen over time if you go long enough without taking damage. The primary mechanic to know about is the 1 shot protection, where when you suddenly take damage that would otherwise down you. You'll be left at a sliver if health and will not take any further damage for a couple seconds. This has a cooldown of 30 seconds, so if you run out of health again you will go down.

[mint axle]

Which I think is a waste now, especially considering the division 1 was totally focused on health and the "armor" there was just damage reduction.

[cerulean smelt]

You guys forget hf has health on kill mechanic so maybe health tanking is possible

[urban latch]

I just mean it's all 1 big pool of "amount you can get shot". It's just that health comes back over time and armor can be restored with kits and skills.

[violet smelt]

LOL. Thanks
My agent is now immune from cold, rain & heat XD

[cerulean smelt]

And your agent could be immune to green poison

[urban latch]

When they buffed health they reduced this to 50%, so it's really not worth worrying about. You also can't stack much health on a regen build anyways

[cerulean smelt]

I know, was just throwing it out there, hf also has armor on kill to so we're till armor tanking with it

[violet smelt]

Which is very little purpose
My armor breaks, I'm on fire, my health is low no matter what, and I'm down lol

[mint axle]

Plus all the defensive talents affect armor and armor only.

[violet smelt]

I see
I hope armor attributes in this game also give us dmg reduction
Red core attributes give us 15% weapon dmg, blue core attributes give us 15% dmg reduction
Seems fair

[cerulean smelt]

No blue core just gives you armor max attribute

Ie you can get 1 million armor

[mint axle]

The only thing that gives you DMG reduction is the defender drone and the aegis gear set.
The EB also reduces damage but in a different way.

[cerulean smelt]

But guess what, 1 million armor with this game and it's mechanics just disappear like you are wearing cardboard armor

I remember a guy coming to one of the servers. What's the best run and gun build out there. I don't want to take cover. No matter what we said they figured they can make a run and gun build

[violet smelt]

So health minor attribute seems useless?
Oh and hi Raucey while you're here I wanted to say thanks for your incursion videos. Really helps!

[cerulean smelt]

Yeah, health sucks aside gives you that little extra " oh shit I need cover and use armor kit!"

[mint axle]

Doesn't seems, IT'S

[onyx sage]

i find his floor 100 oxi video very helpful aside from the fact that i get very annoyed he had 7 skill tiers

💀

[violet smelt]

I want a defender drone like keener's which makes him totally immune

[onyx sage]

just become a NPC

[mint axle]

That's not possible

[cerulean smelt]

Yeah, for me defender drone sucks for us

I feel even maxed expertise probably a tad longer survivability but not much

[mint axle]

2% it's nothing basically

[violet smelt]

Oh i just realised it's him on your profile picture lol
Who are you Armor Keeper? Are you Aaron Keener's cousin or something? XD

[violet smelt]

Wdym 7 skill tiers? I gotta check that out

[onyx sage]

expertise on defender drone does something weird

[mint axle]

Simple, You don't want to die? then KEEP your ARMOR

[red island]

poison would like a word

[onyx sage]

(it's a joke, someone was pissed at him for using technician on a 6 skill tier oxi build and said he could've switched the extra tier out... it's just a stupid idea)

[mint axle]

We don't have a poison exotic gun, yet...

[urban latch]

I clearly didn't know what I was doing because I had the "wasted" core. When the whole point was a red or blue core was equally useless and the spare yellow just means the build was easier to farm since it didn't require a skill tier/damage foxes

[violet smelt]

Ooh made me remember something in countdown there's an objective about steam valves
Maybe health attributes would help there?
But it's a very niche use case

[hazy steeple]

Scorpio.

[violet smelt]

Oh well I thought it's overcharge always on or something

[onyx sage]

nah... overcharge and "skill tier 7" are completely different things

overcharge is a "mode" you have to activate with a talent

[mint axle]

I mean an exotic that is dedicated to that specific status, scorpio applies confuse and shock but we also have bluescreen and st Elmo.

[onyx sage]

it's just incidental that most overcharge talents require you to be at skill tier 6

[hazy steeple]

So a gun that also has Poison, but only has poison, because if it has something else it doesn't count.

[onyx sage]

but having 7 skill tiers does nothing

[mint axle]

Wouldn't be a bad idea, specially that players and npc die if their health goes to 0 regardless of their armor.

[onyx sage]

you should see people kill fieser with poison in discovery mode

[vestal ibex]

This is gold youtube content...

[onyx sage]

i couldn't make that up

[cerulean smelt]

That's awesome raucey

[onyx sage]

it's a special kind of take

[hazy steeple]

Toxin damage can stay the heck away from div2, it's already brutal enough with the space ninjas.

[rich lotus]

Scorpio

[violet smelt]

I hate when we apply status effects to hunters/named enemies it's almost always delayed
Like when I shock them they still move around and my shock timer runs out so basically it's useless

[vestal ibex]

When you think you are sweaty about min/maxing but there are these people.

[onyx sage]

that shock bug happens to everything

[vestal ibex]

The sliding foamed/shocked enemies always gets me laughing.

[onyx sage]

shocked and emp'd minitank still zooming and shooting

[rich lotus]

The armor core could be used as a buffer just in case

[onyx sage]

a buffer when you kill the hunters in 10 seconds

without taking hits

[rich lotus]

A buffer for in case a skill goes flying your way so you don’t insta die

[violet smelt]

Even more annoying EMP'd robot dogs still moving so they crouch for like a milisecond then they get up again

[onyx sage]

it's useful in other cases, but not here

it's useless to worry about that in that scenario

[onyx sage]

yeah it happens to everything. shock isn't coded well in AI behavior

it mostly happens when the status is applied when they are in a spawn zone

[violet smelt]

Yeah especially when those guys saying "I can't move" when they clearly sliding to cover... I'm like...bruh...

[mint axle]

Or when you blind elite enemies, they are like: ahh my eyes but I still can hit the player with 100% accuracy without seeing a thing.

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/GAlLskXjWNY?si=_rAMFcGsOkKk7Zsd

[vestal ibex]

Did you watch the video we are talking about? We killed them in 4 seconds.

[rich lotus]

There was a linked video?

[vestal ibex]

No it wasn't linked but it's from the video being referenced in this talk.

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/Six6HkkI8jI?si=CPf6pbS2m3fUFemX

[onyx sage]

you can see how changing the extra core to something else is useless here

[rich lotus]

Jesus

Yeah that dude was talking out of his ass

[vestal ibex]

Really the point is that most of the time if you are on a damage skill build doing an OXY dump role and using tech for the artificer you don't typically do anything other than dump oxy so it doesn't matter. OXY dump roles are most common for F100 hunters, F10/F90 boss farming, incursion turrets. In these cases it doesn't matter having a too many skill tiers or putting on a different core anyway.

[onyx sage]

you're just saying that cuz you don't have a skill damage fox

go refarm

[vestal ibex]

I'm saying that cause I do have a SD foxes and contractors but I'd rather not farm up a red/blue version of it just to min/max a role where I shoot 0 bullets and take 0 bullets.

[onyx sage]

nah nah the build is useless cuz you're wasting the extra skill tier

[vestal ibex]

lol

[onyx sage]

just imagine the things you could do with a red core instead

[vestal ibex]

Blue core would make it take longer when I wipe myself too...

[onyx sage]

you take 2 and a half mags instead of 3 to kill a purple

[magic pilot]

Imagine not mid maxing....

[mental creek]

Hey all I’ve been having trouble running a PvP build and I don’t know which gear and talents are useful against rogue agents in DZ it would appreciate if you can give me a list of it.

[solar sable]

📌 Spreadsheet > PvP Starters.

[hexed steppe]

Dont foxs and contractors already come red cored? If you have skill damage versions you can roll 1 back red and stop wasting a skilltier /s

But tbh, sd foxs is the easiest to farm. You're only using in oxi builds where you're most likely also using tech for artificer. In that case any foxs drops are a godrolled sd foxs

[worn mango]

I still don't understand artificer with it just chillin on your body. Does it not lose charges even though it's "working". I use it on a heartbreaker shield build but no idea if it's actually working

[hexed steppe]

Every 10 seconds it hits an active skill

[worn mango]

Ah okay. And then is it just repairing it, buffing it?

[hexed steppe]

Skill repair for shield, something like turret it's more noticable as skill refresh (increased duration). It also repairs but it's less noticable on deployed skills as it is with shield

[worn mango]

Right on. I figured I was in the ballpark with how it worked, I just never 'saw' it ya know?

Was just thinking level 6 shield go brr lol

[hexed steppe]

Memento can buff artificer with its skill efficiency ( skill buckets™️)
I have a build that uses t3 artificer that starts off as 48% skill repair, but increases over 60% once memento is stacked.

Also takes a 10mil bulwark to 12 mil when stacked

[worn mango]

Nice

[hexed steppe]

Artificer also visually hits your teamates skills but I'm unsure if it's actually doing anything. That was supposed to be patched a while ago

[worn mango]

I saw when I drew my sheild I'd glow purple for a second but I never noticed if it happened every 10 seconds subsequently

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's easy to miss when taking fire and whatnot. Itll be working of your skill is active. I think it throws a buff icon somewhere iirc

[worn mango]

Right on. I don't use the HB often, only when I'm bored of other stuff

[hexed steppe]

Its good for shield pistol headhunter builds, oxi builds like mentioned above

[worn mango]

I haven't messed with a shield/pistol build yet, that's typically Regulus isn't it?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, determined d50 also popular

[worn mango]

Is that with Firewall to get the shield?

Oh wait, artificer, nope lol

[hexed steppe]

I use this or something close with bulwark/artificer.

Hunters fury with firewall shield is very popular and harder hitting than the highend I use.
I like highend because it keeps its damage At range If i choose to use mmr... that and i can sit in front of a chunga as he unloads without much issue

[sullen sun]

Does someone have a Sniper/Skill build they can share?

What I’ve built thus far

[vestal ibex]

uh wat?

[worn mango]

Drone/turrent seemingly won't get boosted up by snipers I can't imagine

You're in the ballpark of Hana/Empress and such, just not sure what can be made with skills/snipers

[worn mango]

I really wanna get the Ouro at some point to do Hunter's but I eventually just need a hard carry lol

[hexed steppe]

That's basically an AFK .
PCA will be ok if you proc right before you fire your sniper turret (I use same for mortar) ,but you may have more consistent damage with tech support since the buff is long lasting. Get rid of mmr and slip cap in since all your damage is coming from the skills anyways.
Since you're st6 your spec is wide open to use whatever you prefer, so I have nothing to say about that.

You could arguably remove waveform, shift empress to holster and add btsu+stinger hive instead of drone. You'll be able to oc your sniper turret, if it's on cooldown oc will also instant kill the cooldown, and you'll have a good close support damage skill in a pinch.

[tulip charm]

Yes

[solar sable]

oh no, I sent that to someone but I think they didn't see it

[pure trench]

Sniper turret does benefit from headshot damage if aim for the head. I can show you a weird skill headshot build

[distant cloak]

Which gun is better for the strikers build, ouro or Elmo's?

[worn mango]

I think ouro has more burst damage but Elmo having the shock bullets is great too. If you have both, slap them on in the range and see what you prefer though

[cold stag]

I run EB on my Striker mostly, but there's no reason to not switch out for whatever fits the situation better. Always make sure to change your gloves (or whatever gear piece) better fits your weapon also.

[red island]

both have different uses, elmo for mid/long range fight, ouro for close range

[worn mango]

Holy good god Hunter's Fury is fun

Strikers no longer my best friend, now Hunter's Fury

[magic pilot]

Hf Goated

[hexed steppe]

only till you discover Nego 😎

nego is 😍

[worn mango]

Dilemma?

What's the schtick with that one? Is that the status shenanigans?

[red island]

no, its about crit damage spread

[tulip charm]

Yeah but it kinda requires more than 2 brain cells to play that build

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[red island]

yeah but its fun

killing npc behind cover and they cant do anything about it

[hexed steppe]

crit build. acts like highend dps, except when you crit an npc its marked. when critting a marked npc it duplicates and transfers the damage to all marks. with nd bag its 100% transfer. no real stacking other than maybe obliterate if you use. it will stack chd on kill as well, but thats just gravy.

[worn mango]

Funny, I was messing around with that but just gave up cause I had other goals lol

[hexed steppe]

in target rich environment it is capable of out damaging striker

[onyx sage]

it's a very strong damage dealer set

[worn mango]

Neat

I slapped it back on with the same kit as Hunter's Fury with a Coyotes and Ceska chest, we'll see what's up

Oh damn, it's actually Grupo and I'm still at 60% lol

[hexed steppe]

just make sure when youre optimizing it that you get your crit chance as close to 60%, even if you go over a couple %

[worn mango]

Yeah I'm at 60% easy

Right now I'm at 60/160 for C/D

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i only use ceska on it with memento, otherwise its grupo

[worn mango]

Just changed the roll on my backpack, now at 60/167

[hexed steppe]

it works well with rifles and that opens up use for foxs over coyote sometimes. grupo/coyote still solid by all means tho

[worn mango]

Forgot mods, 60/191 now. I think that'll do

And that's only with this MPX I'm using. Need to get that Ouro soon

[hexed steppe]

couple funsies.
-if running any dta and target and marks both have armor, the transfered damage gets a double dta calculation
-you can destroy some immune items if marked and hitting another target.
-the transfer is conditioned on the target. if the target is out of cover and you run dttooc, then a mark in cover will still take the increased damage that the out of cover target takes

[worn mango]

That's some shenanigans

[hexed steppe]

its also very handy if you have a guardian hiding but marked 😎

[worn mango]

Essentially the loop though is that you spray a bunch of targets, kill one and then it spreads all that damage out to whoever is marked

Only problem is that I'm killing even a single target too fast lol

[red island]

dont need to kill

a single crit hit = marked

you hit a few, then focus the tanky one/the one out of cover/the easy target and they all take the damage fromc rits

its very good with diamondback cause 100% critchance on talent

[worn mango]

Gotcha. Only problem is when the guardian that is blocking them is about 100m away outside a fenced stronghold. Sad times

The distance on some of these guardians is actually nutty

[tulip charm]

I dont like diamondback ammo is too low :/

[red island]

yeah some build work very well or very bad depending on the ge active

golden bullet is awesome for nego but guardian def not

reanimated is great with hotshot too

[red island]

a bit of reload speed/handling and you're good

[minor palm]

I'm looking for a good skill build.

[red island]

check builds in pinned comment

[minor palm]

oh! nice, thanks

[hexed steppe]

Yeah basically. Damage is transfered as you crit as mentioned above. I chase spawns a lot so I just spray a group and focus the heaviest armor/health pool npcs.
You kinda need to be conscious of things dying so you pick up another mark. It becomes second nature to the point that one tends to shift targets even on non nego dps builds... maybe that's just me tho 😆

[pure trench]

I feel you here

[dreamy valve]

Behold, the Space Marine Build

[rich cosmos]

(Has nothing to do with space marines)

That is just way too much armor

Extremely unnecessary

The blue attribute is also concerning

[fresh grove]

It doesn’t, they’re literal juggernauts

[rich cosmos]

Legit this could be done with heartbreaker

Just use heartbreaker

Moment you start using more than even 2 or 3 blue cores on striker you might as well be using heartbreaker

[magic pilot]

Chill out or another improvised imo

[magic pilot]

I disagree

[magic pilot]

PFE

[dreamy valve]

works for me!

[rich cosmos]

Okay? And defender drone from what it looked like and 5 blue cores

That’s extremely unnecessary

[dreamy valve]

Its Primaris Terminator Armour

[jagged marlin]

Well, if you run into enemy fire the defender drone and 5 blue cores won't last long even with the defender drone and pfe, regardless, the drone defiinitely increases the time you can take damage

[dreamy valve]

If defender drone is up, its pretty tanky

Hmm good idea PVP Guy, I'll try out Chill Out for another PFE slot

[magic pilot]

Idk it's a pretty decent setup, pfe striker is what I use instead of the traditional 3x improvised

I wouldn't use memento on it but 🤷‍♂️

[dreamy valve]

I love me momento, great sustain at max stacks for me

But im PVE so

Brazen is so strong, Ive replaced Scorpio because of it

[magic pilot]

For solo brazen is stronger

Just no CC

[dreamy valve]

yeah usually my rando groups have at least one using Scorpio heheh

My build literally has both Feel No Pain and Armor of Contempt built in

[magic pilot]

When Ouro first came out I made a 6 blue core HF build with memento, intimidate ceska chest and firewall shield. Was super fun to play with and had more than enough dmg solo. Still think HHF better but it was mindless when not running pistolero

[jagged marlin]

PFE striker with a couple of blue cores, even at 20% pfe is quite strong, in situations where there are yellows, like some certain manhunts cough

Especially when combined with momento

Momento becomes more valuable the more blue cores you have over the striker backpack

[brave comet]

How do I max out my core attributes on weapons and armour?

Also what is a good alternative to St Elmo's Engine for the striker build

[tulip charm]

Replacement to elmo is any good gun

[tulip charm]

And you either you can recalibrate or optimize

[fresh grove]

Aktually the term is gravis armor 🤓

[dreamy valve]

That’s what I meant

As if everyone knows what that is anyways bawhawhaww

[night yarrow]

what would be the best backpack brandset for bullwark?

I'm thinkin empress

I'm using technician hive as my second skill (I am focusing on the bullwark thats why)

[hexed steppe]

what is your other non foundry piece

[night yarrow]

this implies my build is mostly foundry

(I'm launchin the game one sec)

[hexed steppe]

the implication was foundry since you were looking for pairs with a bulwark build. if its highend should be stated as highend shield build

if its just for the shield , go with memento

[night yarrow]

how does one obtain memento?

[hexed steppe]

target loot, backpack anywhere.

memento gives 2 shield tiers and 30% skill health when charged up

[night yarrow]

wow

[hexed steppe]

i was using this on the reanimated ge. memento takes the bulwark in this build from 9.8mil, to around 12-13mil. also memento scales artificer repair from around 48% skill repair stat to around 60% skill repair. tier 4 bulwark, tier 3 artificer, while still being 6 red cores

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwFgtATGDMlwDGRympegXAVmAuVgJZ01TMtYpEoCIqyHMRKY8T3GMQtXrH-2XWMTYCBGIigBsuDoIgB2BakKV4UyPGUR4ADnGENiLMrlkM8DNACcY5FaN2gA is this a good run and gun build with technician? Should i change something?

[urban latch]

I would really recommend vigilance on the backpack instead of heartbreaker. The gila brandset is pretty much wasted. Ideally for your non-HB pieces coyotes and a ceska backpack with vigilance

[tulip charm]

Also if you want a run a gun HF is a better candidate

[urban latch]

I think the dark winter can run tech pulse right? Tbh I think that's an alright option

[versed summit]

Last I checked ye

[glossy scarab]

long underbarrel rail yea

[placid latch]

hello

I was wondering if there was a grenade build ?

[red island]

if there is one its on the pinned message in the sheet

[livid mesa]

Ima redo it and then send it to you so you tell me if I've done it right

[placid latch]

I looked around the sheet without finding it

There is 2 explosive build

[red island]

then i dont think there is one, and nades are very limited anyway

explosive build can work with nades but its better with mortar

[placid latch]

But they are not reliant on grenade

[livid mesa]

@urban latch like this? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXADnFDAWKJmVmdgKzQSoQTBh0WuVxyH1s-nLZwqXAn14UB0aN1EzxYSJgSkxGbGADs6tE1rIkYZFoP4Z2JklRUtsyv0gBOFSmyQLKoA

[urban latch]

Yeah

[livid mesa]

So two damage cores and four blues

[red island]

nades are very limited, you cant rely on them to clear stuff

[livid mesa]

Although I aimed more of a tank build this might work

[urban latch]

However you want to balance the cores between blue and red is up to you

[placid latch]

I basically did an explosive build but using Acosta and Explosive talent

[urban latch]

But 4 armor cores is going to be quite tanky

[hexed steppe]

closest effective build youll probably get is with a mortar build

[urban latch]

The great thing about vigilance on that build is damage taken to your bonus armor or the crusader shield doesn't deactivate it, so you can keep it up very easily

[placid latch]

Getting charge from time to time allowed me to reset skill cooldown

so more explosive damage

[red island]

it still not reliable, especially at higher difficulties, nades arent unlimited and you get only a few each time

[urban latch]

The one change is make is swap the overlord for an ACS to build stacks. You can put the pulse laser on that as well

[hexed steppe]

you can oc/reset cooldown with btsu as well.. and still be able you use a backpack talent

[placid latch]

I wanted to use Sledge but maybe Capacitor might be a better pick

[placid latch]

The point was to use grenade and Acosta help in that point

[red island]

sledge is fine but for tanks/bosses, not regular npcs

[placid latch]

I can more or less clear CP on Heroic

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its gonna be pretty sub par. youll get an oc and sledge ith acostas but probably not be able to do much damage otherwise... build for yourself 💯 , but theres a reason shit like that isnt meta

[placid latch]

Oh yeah, I know

[red island]

oh yeah for sure, no matter what, the right build is the one that give you fun

dont let anyone stop you from having fun ingame

[placid latch]

I wanted to use Festive but doesn't deal enough damage so I can't get back my grenade

[hexed steppe]

grenade only focused sounds like a lot of wipes

[red island]

i remember thoses nade kneepad from div 1

what a blast it was

[glossy scarab]

collector exotic chest regens concussion grenades, only up to 2 though. but once you use all your specialization grenades they dont regen

[placid latch]

Damage Hive + explosive bomb

[livid mesa]

Or I could let dark winter do the job, although it will be slow it'll work

[red island]

(pun intended)

[livid mesa]

[placid latch]

Tried Collector and It's not better than the explosive talent

[glossy scarab]

yeah its not great

[hexed steppe]

explosive delivery?

[hazy steeple]

Did some youtuber recommend the Dark Winter recently or something? Up until a while ago I was one of only 5 people in the game who liked it.

[livid mesa]

C'mon can't let my boy dark winter rot alone in the stash

[red island]

idk, i played it for a while to expertise it

its not bad but def subpar

[placid latch]

Not, I'm using the lengmo named gear: Artist

And yeah, it's subpar actually

So I was searching for a way to make it better

[hazy steeple]

Ya don't use DW because it's S tier OP. You use it for the experience.

[hexed steppe]

best way is to put it in the stash and pull out a different explosives build

[hazy steeple]

I hate to agree with 'deck here, but there are better Talents to use with an Explosives setup.
Especially since it has a range of about 3 inches.

[red island]

do you have shares that go up when we use mortar or what ?

[hexed steppe]

nah, my roi comes from Skill Buckets™️ being mentioned

but speaking of mortar, here you go

[placid latch]

I'm using the clusting grenade

[hexed steppe]

i have not found a better way to run it

[placid latch]

Does way more damage

And have a very big area damage so npc can't avoid it

[urban latch]

Outside of a currently glitched build, your really not going to make a build that would use grenades as a primary weapon. They are basically just used for utility

[onyx sage]

@surreal depot air support when

[placid latch]

I'm not using the glitched build

[urban latch]

I know. I'm saying what your trying to make doesn't really exist in any practical way

[placid latch]

Sacrifice + festive

Kind of stupid

and you run out of grenade to quick

Well, I'll keep searching for a way

Thanks for the answer

[urban latch]

The closest thing to what I think your looking for is what local was pointing you towards, which is the mortar build

[vestal ibex]

Why not collector chest?

[placid latch]

You ran out of grenade and they don't regen fast enough

While explosive (frog icon) allow you get a grenade on kill

And also area is bigger with Artisan

75% grenade area vs 50% for Collector

[vestal ibex]

Doesn't collector give big damage for more targets hit?

[gentle lichen]

Enemies are usually not too keen to stay inside the radius

[vestal ibex]

Was wondering if festive takes care of that.

[placid latch]

saddly not

[placid latch]

The explosive talent also give big damage

[livid mesa]

Mix it with foam launcher and then ez stacks

[placid latch]

I mean, Festive only work with the basic grenade

Which is kind of a let down

You loose base damage to target 2 other people

but that's not enough saddly

[nimble pilot]

Does anyone use the iron lung?

[glossy scarab]

sometimes. i like it

[solar sable]

seen it multiple times in Conflict

[nimble pilot]

Any specific build

[glossy scarab]

i usually use the zwiaahdgjhjdshsf named gloves "eagles grasp" for the extra weapon handling on top of strikers weapon handling to speed up the reload.

[solar sable]

oh yeah zwiajdganidydnwibf

[glossy scarab]

something like that

[solar sable]

😆
(Zwiadowka)

[glossy scarab]

there it isss

[red island]

its ok in pvp

[nimble pilot]

Seems like a legit fun

Gun

[tulip charm]

More like broken

Hits hard and lights people on fire.

[red island]

yeah but hazpro will ignore it and its over

[tulip charm]

Its still one of the hardest hitting lmgs

[red island]

yeah but no talent if you got hazpro

[surreal depot]

What are you talking about?

[onyx sage]

idk

i miss my chameleon shill

[surreal depot]

Have you fixed this damn door?

[red island]

why do people run 0 chc on gear and full chd ? like on striker with elmo

and not even coyote mask

[solar sable]

watch's CHC

[red island]

crit hit chance

[solar sable]

I know, I meant the watch levels

[red island]

wym ?

[vestal ibex]

Elmo strikers with ceska/coyotes and max watch is 20+10+10+6+6=52%

[solar sable]

Keeners Watch 50/50 CHC.

what soul said lol

[vestal ibex]

If you are assuming mid coyotes you don't need CHC rolled anywhere.

[red island]

i said no coyote and he had no ceska

[red island]

watch give 10 chc only

[vestal ibex]

If you are trying to make sense of nonsense all I gotta say is good luck.

[red island]

im not, im talking about a build i saw

from a guy that called backup

4 or 5k shd

and i was asking why he does that

[vestal ibex]

Well I can't make sense of the nonsense you saw.

You ever tried to explain how numbers can't be divided by 0 to someone who thinks they can?

[red island]

yeah

doesnt go great

people are so clueless man

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well it's probably the same with this person. tbf it'll work just fine for heroic content so meh.

[red island]

i think i got one endorsment after 1h

and its an automatic one

[urban latch]

People run very unoptimized setups all the time without realizing it

[onyx sage]

yeah but i can

*whips out calculator*

infinite, see?

[red island]

yeah its sad to then see them being toxic toward you when trying to help them

[onyx sage]

"it works for me"

[urban latch]

Oh trust me, I get it lol. Some people take build advice as a personal insult

[hazy steeple]

There's also the flip-side of the coin, where people hug the meta so hard that anyone who uses something sub-optimal is berated.
And yes I mean in casual Heroic, not Leg'.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat anchor]

Wanted to do a deagle determined based build, but ofc it still lets the sr-1 pop off

10m consistently with deagle, 21m with the sr-1

[vestal ibex]

Figured out that HH math yet?

[wheat anchor]

Headhunter is defo one of the talents of all time

Just casual game trivialisation

[onyx sage]

too hard

[onyx sage]

it's more like determined doing it

[wheat anchor]

True

[vestal ibex]

Big number mean bigger number

[wheat anchor]

Now if I had the regulus, I wouldn't necessarily need the d50

[onyx sage]

the right big number mean bigger number

[wheat anchor]

But then again, that's sacrificing determined for a headshot explosion

[onyx sage]

wrong big number mean less bigger number

[vestal ibex]

Regu my love

[wheat anchor]

Forgot I still have guardians on

Already completed it so wtf am I doing

[onyx sage]

you can get stars from it

[wheat anchor]

Ik

[vestal ibex]

You are my star.

[magic pilot]

The real win was the stars we met along the way

[worn mango]

After all this time I've learned I need a Ninja to test out a build. I had two cache's today and got Acosta Bag and Memento lol

But I also need a Brazos chest with CHC/CHD so I have to be a Countdown merchant

[red island]

You can test build in the simulator sheet if you want, but ninja back pack is pretty much always bad so far

[worn mango]

It's more actual functionality and not theoretical

It's from a builder I've enjoyed on YT and he has really cool off meta stuff. It's two piece Brazos, 3 piece Hunters Fury with Ninja

All the benefits of HF but then a skill tier, skill haste and 50% mag size. He was using an Ouro with it for sustained DPS so it's just a neat idea

[hexed steppe]

memento is a lot more functional, especially on hf.
once charged,
memento 30% skill efficiency ,( % in all Skill Buckets™️ )
memento talent gives 30% weapon damage, plus red core for 45%wd
3% armor regen.
it gives 2 skilltiers to your shield , and the skill health from skill efficiency increases your shield strength.
short trophy pickups will give a core dependent boost, so spikes of more damage/survivability/bonus armor

once charged you only need 1 trophy every 5 mins to maintain full buff.
hunters fury synergizes with memento since its cqb and allow for easy, low risk pickups.

[onyx sage]

one thing with ninja and HF is ninja actually takes away one powerful HF archetype: intimidate HF. replacing ninja with memento or ad rush backpack makes you tankier AND deal more damage, only drawback is you have to be up close which you already are doing with HF anyway.

deck already sung praises for memento above

[hexed steppe]

i haz all the buckets🪣

[onyx sage]

people focus on the kinds of builds ninja opens up, but in this case ninja actually locks you out instead just being a down- or sidegrade to existing builds

[worn mango]

Yeah that's cool and all, but big mag go brr

[shy willow]

It's funny but it's not good

Like if you tried you can get up to like 90 rounds on ouro but it's like shooting marshmallows

[worn mango]

Messing around with stuff is just more important than always going for optimum stuff. I'm all for meta and best, but sometimes I just don't wanna shoot the Elmo with Strikers

[magic pilot]

Striker Elmo is the tip of the meta iceberg

[worn mango]

I need that underwater meta lol

Truthfully I've followed the spreadsheet for a lot of my stuff so that's the type of gear I've focused on

And I generally hate skills, I just wanna shoot lol

[magic pilot]

HHF

[onyx sage]

you like hitting heads aggressively?

[worn mango]

I have the HotShot, Headhunter, Determined shenanigans. I tolerate it

[onyx sage]

try hunter's fury with shotgun or regulus

idk how you'll feel with it on xbox but we run it a lot here on pc

with headhunter of course

you just focus on killing

[vernal lily]

havent played in awhile, last set i remember coming out was empress, any cool new stuff to come back for?

[onyx sage]

striker got buffed a ton and is the most common set now, besides that there's a new sniper variant and some other cool gear

[vernal lily]

how good is the state of the game, bugs, matchmaking, etc

[onyx sage]

a lot of the crashes have been fixed, some bugs have been fixed, some of the most longstanding ones are STILL not fixed 💀

[vernal lily]

fixing crashes is big, nice

[onyx sage]

yeah most of the crashes are gone, some still remain tho, gotta get the right end of the stick

[vernal lily]

what are current best practices

is it still best to launch from connect instead of shortcut?

[onyx sage]

i launch from both, haven't noticed anything different

[vernal lily]

hot, thanks

[brave comet]

Any advice on a good PVP build?

[shy willow]

There's a handful on the spreadsheet

Pinned in here

[brave comet]

Thank you!

[placid latch]

Coming back with the Ninjabike backpack, I can't find it usefull

The point is tu use it for brand bonus

But I don't know if any brand bonus can compensate Vigilance or Memento

[rich lotus]

For a striker crusader build what would be a good balance between skill tiers for the shield and offensive attribute?

Currently I've got my strikers to be modified with skill tiers as the core attribute just for the buff and coyotes mask for chc and chd

[hazy steeple]

Just an FYI: for shields, blue tiers also work for Tiers, so you don't actually need to put yellow cores on it.
2-3 blues is the most you'll ever need, or if you weren't using Coyotes: go Memento and skip it entirely.

[rich lotus]

I have to use skill tiers since I'm using capacitor for the dmg% boost for each tier

[hazy steeple]

Wait, why Capacitor?

Are you mainly damaging with skills?

[rich lotus]

I'm using the striker drone

and capacitor is like the only decent ar I have
Aside another one which has god rolls but less overall damage

[hazy steeple]

Wait a sec, so you've got the Striker gearset on but want to nerf down the damage so your drone is moderately better than it would be, but still worse than using a proper build.

This is coming from someone who enjoys Backfire: pick your battles when it comes to div2 builds.

[rich lotus]

Sounds about right
Don't know what I'm doing

[hazy steeple]

It kind of sounds like you want a dps build with a drone as a kinda "helper", yeah?
I'm sure there are builds for that 📌 pinned in the spreadsheet. @hexed steppe this sounds like your area.

[rich lotus]

Precisely

[hexed steppe]

technically on cap red core gives 15% wd, yellow core gives 7.5 wd. depending on your setup youll get more damage for cap with red cores.

but obv cap is more for hybrid or skill setups. you can kinda tweak the build a bit by utilizing some red cores and getting free skill tiers from memento, tech spec, picaros rolled yellow

those 3 items would give 22.5% wd and you could still roll with 6 red cores, for a total of 112.5% weapon damage for cap. red builds top out at 90% from all red in comparison

[placid latch]

This probably the best option

But need to see about the brand set bonus

Or Picaro brand set bonus (at 2)

[tulip charm]

4

Tech, memento, picaro if rolled to yellow and braz 2 piece

[hexed steppe]

i would definitely do memento over coyote mask tho. youll get a lot of skill attributes ,
30% skill efficiency is % in all Skill Buckets™️
so % skill damage, skill haste, skill duration, skill health, skill repair, status effects

[tulip charm]

🪣

Oh wait doesnt skill efficiency from memento scales with the amount of yellow you have?

[hexed steppe]

this is a hybrid i use as an example. 6y/3r, with cap it acts like 6y 6r 1b

[hexed steppe]

short buff. long is 30% max. you can get bumps up to 60% in what i just posted

[tulip charm]

Oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

i used to abuse it a lot on a fire eclipse build. up to 60% skill damage+60% status effects if all the stars aligned and you were on short buff while releasing a sticky

add caps 60% skill damage and its really high

[tulip charm]

Over 30% amp?

[hexed steppe]

this is all before figuring the other attribute rolls

[hexed steppe]

yeah, the damages are pretty close tbf. and the ep bag is more consistent

[magic pilot]

If you have any questions, or you want to build something not in the guide @ me

[nimble pilot]

To run legendary or heroic do you need max rolled pieces and suggestions needed for the aforementioned type of build

[nimble pilot]

To run legendary or heroic do you need max rolled pieces and suggestions needed for the aforementioned type of build

[versed summit]

you don't need max rolled pieces but it usually helps.

Optimally you want a DPS build like striker's, I wouldn't recommend doing solo legendary though.

[nimble pilot]

What about heroic

[versed summit]

Same thing except it’s a lot easier solo

[nimble pilot]

Ty

[magic pilot]

This is what I ran to solo dua

Well before I had expertise and no max watch

[versed summit]

I also soloed DUA with that

[worn mango]

For bolt actions, does the bolt speed get impacted by anything? Is there any way to speed that up or is that just a part of the rpm of those guns?

[versed summit]

It’s just rpm

[worn mango]

Okay cool, just wanted to make sure handling didn't impact it

I'm using the SR-1 in the Hotshot/Headhunter/Determined build and just going target to target feels so slow sometimes

[floral stratus]

Is there a meta?

[urban latch]

For what?

[solar sable]

?

[pastel crane]

You're gonna have to be specific.

[hexed steppe]

Dz- tip of the spear
Open world-ninja true patriot
/s

[onyx sage]

mathematically there always exists a meta

🤓

[versed summit]

Ah yes

[sullen sun]

What are some good builds for end game players?

I have all your bread and butter builds

Looking for something different, I mainly run striker, Umbra, or Sniper builds but I’m looking to diversify a bit

[wise swallow]

hf?

Hunters fury

[versed summit]

I'd recommend checking the pinned spreadsheet.

[sullen sun]

Hunters in PvP?

[wise swallow]

the speed run focused hunters fury build is quite fun

oh pvp?

uhh PVP wise full regen with big horn is amusing

zero dmg but you can basically dance around 4 stacks

tankier builds with big horn is an interesting learning curve

ik your console so its probably gonna be very hard to use but theres fun in that

[hexed steppe]

It's always gonna be mortar, every agent needs a good mortar build 💯

And not hardwire mortar, need real damage 😎

[sullen sun]

Got one fortunately

[solar sable]

Stawp

[magic pilot]

Check pinned sheets, pvp guide got an update

[vernal lily]

is the pinned spreadsheet not updated?

[onyx sage]

it's up to date

there's just nothing new worth using

[vernal lily]

i dont see any of the new gear listed

[solar sable]

.

[onyx sage]

it's true that some of the new gear aren't added

azur needs to be back again to maintain it

but most of the new stuff aren't worth using. palisade and zwiadowka are good brands though

[vernal lily]

unfortunate

[sullen sun]

Waveform worth using on a drone build?

Or should I opt for a pc of Wyvern?

[zenith knoll]

Hey, quick question, I haven't been playing for a while so I was wondering if double companion is still a thing? Followed a build plan I never finished.

[rich lotus]

I'

It's BiS for a pure turret and drone build. The damage averages out more than Wyvern, and since your turret and drone are up almost 100% of the time, its really the ONLY skill build where it's bis

[onyx sage]

nope

[hexed steppe]

technically double companion is a thing, but not in its broken, double proccing state

[hexed steppe]

whats the rest of the build look like

[sullen sun]

I feel like it’s doing more dmg bc it’s not having to build stacks

Am I on to something?

[shy willow]

Wyvern is more consistent

[sullen sun]

Right

[hexed steppe]

i would do tech support over pca. you could technically do 3 empress, wyvern, sacrifice, then waveform would only be stacking further damage. i personally dont like waveform but if you arent trading skill damage to get it its only win

tech support will most likely be proc 100% of the time, and sacrifice pics up the missing 5% amp from pca

then you can keep the skill damage, trade the haste for more skill damage 😉

[sullen sun]

Interesting

Why is it this man always come through

Rain, shine, sleet or hail

[hexed steppe]

😎

you also have opportunity to ditch drone, go all in on sniper turret then add btsu + artificer

[shy willow]

I guess you could say... Buckets™️

[rich lotus]

I'd definitely agree with btsu > waveform for sniper turret

[hexed steppe]

but thats just me poking around a build

[sullen sun]

Btsu is that good?

[hexed steppe]

yeah btsu is sick. it can be any hive. i use it on mortar with stinger hive. turret goes down and i pop my hive, kill cooldown, and have hive back on rapid charge

[rich lotus]

a reliable form of overcharge with little investment

[hexed steppe]

also with turret back it overcharges for 15 seconds and full of ammo

[rich lotus]

I miss snapshoting sniper turret overcharge. now thats a blast from patches past

[hexed steppe]

i run turret drone similar to what i suggested. i just use a different spec and an aok piece instead of waveform/btsu. its pure afk when i be really lazy

and yes to the nay-sayers. they are pfe mods on a perfect glass piece

[sullen sun]

Why the palisades

[hexed steppe]

armor on kill, same with gunner and mop

20-30%

[shy willow]

🤨

[hexed steppe]

at least it isnt a nbb build

[shy willow]

True that

[restive dome]

Buy the game?

[pure trench]

How much damage lost without waveform?

[hexed steppe]

I'm not 100, but I think waveform was an average 5% increase considering it's always shifting.
For me the aok is way more valuable since its perfect glass

Hopfully someone can back me up or correct me with the proper maths😅

[pure trench]

Sounds good

[versed summit]

Waveform is 15% average, and when compared to Wyvern it's a 5% damage increase, but then with how your buffs are shifting and given it's between the higher damage Turret and the lower damage Drone, it's really even less.

Not sure what you're taking into account tho

[red island]

btw i forgot, is div 2 skill damage is working the same as in div 1 ?

in div 1 skill damage was decided from the frame you launch your skill, so if you lose skill damage after it doesnt affect your skill already deployed

if i get more skill damage after using a skill does it affect the dps output or no ?

[hexed steppe]

I'm probably pulling the 5% from the increase over wyvern then.

[red island]

emeline isnt in div 1

also you tagged a message that wasnt related

[hexed steppe]

Really depends on the skill afaik. For mortar, I proc perfect combined arms while the mortar is in flight for the increase. Fire sticky/fire chem snapshot skill damage tho. Turrets/drones/hives see increase when deployed and stacking capacitor.
I think where the snapshot damage is related to skills whose damage turns to status once applied

[red island]

yes, she isnt in div 1, she is in div 2 only

[hexed steppe]

I do not unfortunately.

[red island]

i have no idea who you're talking about

the emeline we have in div 2 is just a bad person that killed a lot of people and there is no tribute there

what timer ?

there is no mention of emily in your vid

lmao

why are you even using chat gpt in the first place

its bad thing

yeah it work so well it told u its emily and not stephania

great work chat gpt xd

yeah its easier when you dont ask chat gpt

[grim seal]

is the Paratrooper SVD good for Negotiator's Dilemma? I want to use it because of its insane blindfire accuracy making it useful for situations where you're dealing with enemies that instantly melt you

[onyx sage]

yeah don't use chatgpt for this game lol

[onyx sage]

depends on what you mean by good, you can blindfire sure but you probably won't kill fast enough when they inevitably rush you

this is if we're talking about legendary where you'd even want to use this but under legendary there are just better builds to use

[grim seal]

an alternative I'm thinking about is either safety distance or unwavering vector

mostly for heroic in situations where I run out of medkits

[onyx sage]

idk... heroic and below you can just kill before being killed

[red island]

svd def not good with dilema

you need high rpm

or diamondback

[tawdry flare]

What about raid normal ?

[onyx sage]

same shiz

[red island]

raid normal is scaled for 8 players so its basically heroic difficulty

[tawdry flare]

It's normal according to ubisoft

[red island]

well normal for 8 players dps and 8 players tanking

[serene hare]

What is the best talent for the sawed off Boomstick (or any talent for shotguns, besides Pummel)?

[red island]

broomstick isnt a good shotgun

rocknroll can be good

[serene hare]

This doesn't really answer my question, honestly.

[red island]

go sledgehammer

or close and personal

or pumped up

cant really tell you without knowing your build

[serene hare]

I don't really use that weapon anyway, it was just a doubt of what's good to use.

The normal Boomstick I use it, but it's basically a backup weapon for my Red Harlow build.

Which is 100% optimized and setted up to lvl 10 (not sure if I should get higher).

[solar sable]

not level, but Proficiency Rank

[serene hare]

I forgot it's name.

[red island]

i dont understand your build, why not play sr1 instead of 1886 ?

[serene hare]

Because I don't want to.

[solar sable]

It's a variant

Not every rifle build needs SR-1

[serene hare]

Also I have this.

[red island]

yeah but its clearly outclassing everything else

[serene hare]

Works pretty fine as a no scope MMR build.

[solar sable]

Oh yeah it does, I was gonna try it later

[serene hare]

26 mi per shot, and not optimized.

[solar sable]

You could try that Boomstick you mentioned earlier, or maybe m1a-cqb

[serene hare]

And of course, a true MMR builder cannot play around without the most broken MMR build in the game.

[serene hare]

I have a CQB, but it's for crit builds.

[solar sable]

Yep

[serene hare]

I'm stupid enough, for some reason I can't build ARs (except with Striker) and crit Rifles.

I can't deal damage.

[red island]

try nego build

[solar sable]

I actually prefer a non-scoped MMR for a wider view

[solar sable]

This is because not all HE builds (if not any) can outstand Striker's

[serene hare]

When I'm speed running, I'm always using one of those 3 builds, the Red Harlow, the no scoped SR1 and my striker Banshee.

[serene hare]

Yeah, but my high end SMG build can get to 8 mi DPS against specials.

My AR build gets to 6 to 7 mi.

[solar sable]

smg's have higher RPM/RoF, take that as a DPS boost

[serene hare]

Idk, I think ARs in general are kinda lackluster.

Except with Striker.

Then it's the most broken thing in the game.

[red island]

ar are fine

[solar sable]

Not with nego, tho
localnego will always recommend this build

[red island]

everything is broken with striker

and yeah nego is super strong

can deal more than striker

[solar sable]

||and mortar
and talk about skill buckets||

[serene hare]

I can't get the gimmick of Nego's.

[red island]

why

[serene hare]

I don't really understand what makes it strong.

[solar sable]

let the master Localdeck guide you

[red island]

aoe damage

instead of dps 1 target you dps 3 or 5

[solar sable]

From what I've seen, it transfers crit damage to every enemy

[red island]

litterally multiply your dps by 3 or 5

i mean your crit dps

in the right conditions its stronger than striker

thats how insanely strong it can be

[solar sable]

I have some questions for him now, I'll wait

[serene hare]

I have a HF build with a Swap Chain and m870 tornado with Pummel.

Bee for sidearm, but I wish I had a normal X-45, so I could call it a Leon S Kennedy build.

I'm kinda ass with the build, tho.

[red island]

try nego

its fun really

[serene hare]

P90 really should get a pretty good damage buff, ngl.

[red island]

why

[serene hare]

Because the damage of that weapon is pretty low, while it only have 2 mod slots.

[red island]

yeah but 50 rounds and good rof

so its not like it had nothing

[serene hare]

The Tommy Gun also have 50 rounds, and it deals way more damage.

[red island]

not the same rof

raw damage numbers mean nothing by themselves

[serene hare]

I just wish some weapons were not so powerful to outperform everything else, like the Banshee, Kriss (Vector) and Swap Chain.

Oddly, MMR builds are the builds with the most balanced set of weapons, there's just so much you can play around.

[red island]

most wepaon are decent, you need to get optimized weapon for like legendary/heroic, otherwise you're fine

[serene hare]

But I'm always doing this.

[red island]

doing what

[serene hare]

Optimizing build for higher difficulties.

The thing is that the balance is a big mess.

[red island]

balance is weird, most builds are viable tbh but some are just way easier

striker is simple and dish out lot of mono target damage but nego does a lot more aoe for example

my main problem with balancing is how enemies have all stats tbh

they tank they dps they got skill damage its a mess

and also the anti oneshot mechanic

if you get to 1hp, but you regen your entire armor, you're still 1shot from death cause npc deal an absurd amount of damage and you lost your anti oneshot protection

[serene hare]

I really don't have problems with any specific faction or how you play against them.

[red island]

factions are fine

[serene hare]

But hunters are... stupid.

[red island]

hunters are just everythng in 1 and on steroids

[serene hare]

I don't think they should be how they are, especially those 2 at the top of the Summit.

[red island]

the summit hunter are teh same as the others

[serene hare]

I had to lower the difficult to kill them, I got so irritated...

[red island]

you just got less space to fight them

[serene hare]

If only that was the issue.
One of them simply hitkills you with auto aim MMR (or Rifle, Idk).

And you usually are without your skills due to the initial shock.

[red island]

u think he is the only one who can do that x) ?

like half the hunters ingame can oneshot you from far and all of them can oneshot you from close/medium range

[serene hare]

Probably not, but Idk.
Even fighting those 4 in the night, I don't remember having issue with them.
Although I was lvl 30 with base game builds.

[red island]

hunters are just braindead npc that have autoaim

your only option is to cc them or outstat them

[serene hare]

I think there's 1 hunter that made me even more enraged than those 2.

Brian Johnson.

[red island]

recruiter ?

[serene hare]

Yes.

[red island]

he aint that bad tbh, even easier than most hunters

[serene hare]

Infinite TAC mf.

[red island]

he just takes longer

[serene hare]

Long enough to make me mad.

[red island]

meh, other npc were way worse to fight

like keener manhunt

[serene hare]

It's so anticlimatic to not be able to oneshot him, so you have to restart the scaling of your headhunter build by killing mobs again, while having no protection and that mf almost killing you in a few shots.

[red island]

i mean headhunter build is just plain bad there

[serene hare]

Anything is plain bad there.

[red island]

not really

any decent striker build is fine, nego is fine, etc

any sustain dps/regen is fine

[serene hare]

Well, what is viable? You have no shield, turret, hive, decoy, nothing to distract or protect yourself.

And he kills you in 1 second.

[red island]

what i said, any sustain dps/regen

you regen on npcs, dps him, repeat

and you obviously dont facetank him

[serene hare]

I think that was super annoying, one of the worst bosses in the entire game.

[red island]

def not the worst boss

like at all

[serene hare]

Still one of them.

[red island]

incursion last bosses are way more annoying

last manhunt boss is way more annoying

[serene hare]

I didn't played incursion.

[red island]

well you should

[serene hare]

Why?

[red island]

cause its good

[serene hare]

Only idiots are playing it.

[red island]

why would they be idiots ?

[serene hare]

Because they don't know how to deal with the second boss.

[red island]

they do ?

[serene hare]

Or first boss, I don't even remember.

[red island]

wtf are you even talking about

people clear the incursion everyday

some even speedrun it

[serene hare]

Not from my experience.

[red island]

thats sounds like a you problem

i went and cleared incursion a few times

[serene hare]

Well, you are telling me to play something I don't want to.

[red island]

im not

[serene hare]

You literally did.

[red island]

im asking you why u said the ones playing it are stupid ?

when they clear it ?

[serene hare]

Well, they don't and I don't wanna talk about this anymore.

[red island]

they do

and if you dont wanna talk about division maybe this isnt the right discord for you

i cleared incursion a few times, got my ouro, nothing wrong with that

why would you call me stupid for doing that ?

[serene hare]

I'm not refering you, why are you so butthurted about it?

[red island]

you said this, and im playing incursion too, so im included in your message

maybe you shouldnt say stupid shit

[serene hare]

It literally stated about the people who can't shower the boss properly as idiots, not you.

[red island]

then maybe you shouldnt have said your first sentence

cause its not the same

[serene hare]

What a pointless whine, dude.

[red island]

you're the one crying about the incursion

without even playing it

and insult thoses who do

so maybe chill

[serene hare]

This is not even the chat for this, quit whining, man.

[red island]

yeah, this isnt the chat for that, stop being toxic and crying about incursion you cant clear

[hazy steeple]

@red island @serene hare Drop it, move on.

[serene hare]

I'm trying to.

[mighty plume]

Ok I have seen the spreadsheet and have a question

Is it better to run 3p hotshot or 4pc(with or without ninjabike on either tbh) cause it says both and my brain tells me the 4pc would be better but Im wondering if theres a better in depth explaination i can get

The constant headshot bonuses from hotshot seems great but maybe airaldi on 3pc gives more dmg I dont really know

[onyx sage]

4p is better if you get all 3 stacks and can maintain all 3 stacks, but before those 3 stacks your damage is worse than 3p

[serene hare]

4, always.

[onyx sage]

all the relevant 4p and 3p variants will hit all the hp thresholds you need

[serene hare]

Not to mention your MMR should hitkill anybody anyway, regardless of being 4 pieces of Hotshot or having an Airaldi set.

You pick the 4 pieces of Hotshot because of the bonuses you get, which includes more armor and insta reload.

[onyx sage]

and don't focus too hard on minmaxing damage from these btw, you gain nothing from trying to squeeze out as much damage as possible, just try to build for comfort while still maintaining enough damage to one-shot

[mighty plume]

Well currently I have a white death with determined(Im both new and old in the sense I havent played in literal years but it said it was still a good option and its kinda the only one I have tbh)

And I know hotshot was good for maxing out stability to remove sway too

So on 3pc I have consistent damage but 4pc will grant me better if i can upkeep stacks(heres hoping determined makes it so I dont actually have to hit the head 4 times in a row because my main is TRASH)

[red island]

4p if you can never miss, otherwise 3

[serene hare]

Which is basically what Hotshot does.
It's a mad easy build to do and performs super well in terms of damage.

[onyx sage]

yes, determined helps you maintain 4p stacks

if you keep missing, maybe it's not that suitable

[red island]

yeah but helmets are a thing

and its annoying

[serene hare]

Well, that's not a problem, just headshot again.

[red island]

didnt say its a problem, its just annoying cause you have to aim

it break your cycle

[mighty plume]

Another possibly dumb question

does the TAC50 have hotshot benefits

[serene hare]

As it should

[serene hare]

Yes.

[mighty plume]

Ok nice

[red island]

yes and thats annoying

[mighty plume]

Well considering my aim I'll probably have to stick to 3pc

[serene hare]

Well, use other build if it annoys you that much, then.

[red island]

i do use other build : 3p hotshot

[serene hare]

This doesn't solve the determined vs helmet issues, but ok.

[red island]

somtimes i put ninja backpack cause i like to make people suffer

[mighty plume]

My chainkiller has CHC and CHD oh no 💀

[onyx sage]

as in it benefits from the stability that hotshot gives? yes

[red island]

it does, you dont lose hotshot stacks

[onyx sage]

it doesn't have the damage bonuses from hotshot because it doesn't count as a mmr

[mighty plume]

Ah ok so I dont get the extra armor or stuff on kill but thats fine

[red island]

its fine, the damage its nuts anyway no need to optimize that much

jsut play it until you find something better

[onyx sage]

yeah you just tac50 to get your first hh stack

[mighty plume]

When I heard it could remove sway I was very happy because my brain is fried and my aim is bad enough as is I mean seriously like 30 of the 50 Oreo bullets probably hit on average for me so

[serene hare]

Not like it really needs, because the function of the TAC is to break armor, especially helms.

[red island]

💀

but yeah this build let you not aim at all

[onyx sage]

you can hit 100% stability with 3p or 4p

[red island]

and you get no recoil

[onyx sage]

it depends on what you need

[mighty plume]

Its also why I use Shotguns as my main tool on heartbreaker its VERY hard to miss with shotguns

[red island]

haha

[serene hare]

What's "Oreo" again?

[red island]

xd

[mighty plume]

Ouroboros I think im like 80% sure

[onyx sage]

it is

[mighty plume]

I got it from my first Incursion ever and I just rerolled it to have max stats and DOTC and its pretty good very fast

[red island]

no its oreo with cream cheese

[mighty plume]

I still cope with my ability to control its recoil but its probably my best weapon as of right now

[red island]

its def the best smg

[mighty plume]

its very good for building striker stacks

[serene hare]

Banshee with Fast Hands or Steady Hands exists

[red island]

and its def not as good as oreo

[serene hare]

It's talent is trash.

[red island]

doesnt matter

raw stats are too strong

who needs a talent when your base dmg is insane

[mighty plume]

P90 with fast hands was my diet oreo before I got it

[serene hare]

Doesn't make up for itself tho.
Talents can outperform it.

[red island]

oreo outclass every smg with any talent

[mighty plume]

Im trying to get a vector with flatline for my heartbreaker cause its kinda hard to use kingbreaker ngl I feel like its not that great

[red island]

like by a mile

[onyx sage]

ouroboros you can ignore the talent and it will beat any other smg with a talent still

[mighty plume]

and unless im wrong I think the vector is the only long rail smg for tech laser pointer

[red island]

its like comparing the cooler with the eagle bearer

eb talent doesnt give damage, still one of the strongest ar

[onyx sage]

some mp5s can run laser as well

i think it's just not the regular mp5

[red island]

better yet : the apartment

[mighty plume]

Mmmm didnt know that but at least it brings me another option instead of crying when i get 37 Cabarats from countdown

[onyx sage]

cabaret can run it too yeah

it's just that the talent is shit 💀

[red island]

so many talents are so bad

some at near useless and some use to make you lose dps

[mighty plume]

yea I always get one whenever I do countdown its like my curse

that and carnage for some reason

[red island]

try getting dark winter

its not a bad smg

[hazy steeple]

Somewhat tougher to get it in Countdown, it must be said.

[red island]

yeah obv xd

tho it pops sometimes in the vendor

[placid latch]

I'm wondering if this tool: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjGBmayape1AuArAdgnIUgEzyzYaVpQ76RmJgjjVUabAAcBM8r-bGqB6EBY9sTDd8kmMHzixmTnTiwykYpOzhOANji8K6+MWCZcSGAgogkIAyEggK-TGaTk1fQSkyxlXyxiRRQgA is correct ?

[red island]

sawyers knee pad are pretty bad with this build

you're supposed to be moving a lot

[placid latch]

It's not about bad, it's about the emp damage for the first kill

And that doesn't answers the question.

[red island]

what emp ?

also yes the tool work thats why its recommended

[placid latch]

It doesn't display the same damage as I have in game

[red island]

did you make sure to put the same exact values everywher e ?

and you shd lvls ?

and you compare the right shots, crit and non crit, headshot and body shots

[hazy steeple]

If you're using the Shooting Range as your measure, it can also get kind of wonky.
Way more-so if you're using Countdown, as the buffs and such throw everything off.

[red island]

yeah be sure to check the buffs you have

also check expertise

[placid latch]

I'm using Light zone damage

[onyx sage]

the tool also doesn't calculate damage correctly like in game anyway

[red island]

what you talking about ?

[onyx sage]

use it to share builds but don't use it to calculate damage, it's awful at that

[placid latch]

I'm hitting around 9.5 M with the first hits (when Sawyer kneepad are stacked)

[placid latch]

Oh

Thanks

I did try other build but the damage wasn't feeling "right" so I tested out with my own build

And the damage was way off

[onyx sage]

yeah just test in game if you don't want to mess with spreadsheets

[placid latch]

Actually, I was wondering if using ninjaback backpack would be better than using bag + vigilance if I'm using 1 Pc hot shot, 1 pc Hasbourg guard, 1 pc Airaldi, 1 pc Chain Killer, 1 pc Ace.

[red island]

no

[placid latch]

Could you explain why ?

I'm probably missing something

[red island]

cause ninja backpack is bad

[mighty plume]

I've tried but its very difficult, is it a DZ only drop like the gift(which Im still hurting over cause I am NOT going in the DZ)

[hazy steeple]

the tl;dr for NBB is that it replaces a backpack talent, which are very strong.
Vigilance being lost is a major dps drop, especially in a frankenstein's monster of a hotshot build like that.

[red island]

ninja talent will never replace a real talent

no matter the brand bonuses

[hazy steeple]

Look at the Gearsets, you see how they all are missing an attribute compared to Brandsets? That means that the thing you are getting from the Gearset has to be better than losing out on that 2nd Attribute.

15% MMR damage is not it.

[onyx sage]

vigilance has total weapon damage which is stronger than any damage ninjabike can give you via brands

[placid latch]

ok

Thanks for the information

[onyx sage]

it's also what the tool gets wrong the most when calculating damage

[placid latch]

So Sawyer + Viligance are better

[onyx sage]

it doesn't factor in total weapon damage

[placid latch]

Both give total weapon damage

[onyx sage]

well technically but sawyer's is also a pain to use

[placid latch]

It's just for the starter

[hexed steppe]

Good joke

[placid latch]

Well, I was curious

I didn't have all the piece and wanted to wonder if it was worth it to farm those

[hazy steeple]

Don't be worried about asking questions, that's what this server is for.

That and picking on Lyfe.

[hexed steppe]

I just run 4hs, chainkiller, airaldi vigilance and it steamrolls everything

[placid latch]

Actually, I have both build

[hexed steppe]

Ask the questions for sure, ninja always gets the same response. Kind of a server thing here

[placid latch]

The swayer is just here when I try Legendary on solo

[onyx sage]

when will local carry me through roosevelt

[hexed steppe]

I used to use sawyers before hotshot and it was ok. It's just limiting if you want to benefit from it

[placid latch]

Swayer also have don't get out of cover from a grenade or a drone

[hexed steppe]

Define carry

[placid latch]

Which can be pretty usefull as a MMR on legendary

[hexed steppe]

My shoulders are weak. But I'll blow some shit up for you

[onyx sage]

put me on your backpack and run me through

[onyx sage]

you did this week's legendary yet?

[placid latch]

no

[onyx sage]

let's do it

[placid latch]

I did finish a few time but I need to train myself on it

Where to be, learning the wave, etc

[sterile pagoda]

Is there a way to up my chances of getting a chainkiller?

[onyx sage]

target walker & harris in countdown

[placid latch]

And I want to do it on solo

[onyx sage]

you'll learn all of it eventually, most of your success is from game sense

we can duo it so you know which positions i take and how i deal with them. i've done all 5 solo all red

[sterile pagoda]

Any other way? Did 50 levels of the summit with Walker as targeted and nada

[onyx sage]

just do countdown

summit is very stingy in comparison

[sterile pagoda]

Gotcha

[onyx sage]

challenging difficulty or above

[placid latch]

For exemple, I manage to kill the 4 big chunga in the middle of Roosvelt Island but I'm dying afterward because I'm not cautious enough xD

[onyx sage]

you died to the rushers?

[placid latch]

Edit: yes and no

The final fight for exemple

[onyx sage]

final fight you used striker right?

[placid latch]

Oh no: keeping through sniper all along

else, that wouldn't be fun

[onyx sage]

you're not killing the 2 bosses 💀

[placid latch]

yeah, I know

[onyx sage]

if you're solo striker is pretty much forced, and you want to kill the 2 bosses as fast as possible

[west geyser]

Is countdown still the best way to acquire exotics

[onyx sage]

anyways i'm in game if you want to run roosevelt

[placid latch]

Thanks for the offert

I'll try to find a way

yeah, I can be pretty stubborn

I'm feeling it managable

[west geyser]

Or what would be the best way to acquire missing exotics

[mighty plume]

Personally I would just do countdown, the drop rate is the lowest out of most events but you get an exotic every 2 runs on challenging or heroic from the countdown currency, so at max time roughly an exotic every 35 minutes or so, they can also drop during countdown and while I have no evidence selecting weapons as targeted loot is much better for getting exotics than any armor, I got backfire twice in one countdown game

if you dont want to do countdown then find a CP4 with your preferred loot,

if not that then summit + preferred loot

[west geyser]

What's cp4

[mighty plume]

Control point alert level 4(heroic)

[worn mango]

I'd say countdown challenging and like has been said, at minimum you're getting a cache every two runs

[mighty plume]

I still think countdown due to the currency you get making it consistent the best option, especially cause ive gone days without an exotic drop doing usual exotic farms and not getting anything but just 35 minutes nets me one on average in countdown

it depends on your team but I always do heroic countdown and youre gonna want to actually extract for the most currency

challenging is also possible for every 2 runs = an exotic but Its really hard to find people doing it on challenging tbh

[worn mango]

I find the best people on challenging because they don't want the sweat of heroic

Heroic for me has more SHD in the hundreds whereas on challenging it's kinda chill

[mighty plume]

maybe I play at the wrong times of the day I usually dont get full lobbies on challenging but the currency is still enough for 2 runs = exotic

But go with whichever you're more comfortable running tbh

[hazy steeple]

Challenging Countdown is better overall, as the entire point of CD is speed, and without a really good team, you aren't getting that speed with Heroic.

[mighty plume]

this is true sometimes you do countdown and basically have to solo it

[worn mango]

I find it's been better to run a complimentary build in CD because mostly everyone is going in with red striker these days

I'm running a 4x Protection from elite with two pieces of improvised, uzina, lengmo and a scorpio. So much survivability and you're debuffing everything

[hazy steeple]

I can highly recommend a "red FI" setup for CD. There's a link to it in the spreadsheet 2, but the tl;dr for it is "Harmacist".

[worn mango]

I don't know if I've read through that one yet

[hazy steeple]

Healing others heals you more than healing yourself, and you can do fairly decent damage.
So you're encouraged to stay active and killing things.

[worn mango]

Oh yeah seeing it now, that's interesting

[serene hare]

There's any other Rifle that have big damage like the 1886?

I'm trying to make different variations of my builds, but it looks like I always run into the same guns.

[red island]

virginian

diamondback

[serene hare]

Virginian sucks ass

[red island]

q1cqb

[hazy steeple]

Virginian is a named version of the 1886.
Classic-m1a is close-ish, but it's more of a spammer.

[serene hare]

Oh, I forgot to mention something

for headshot builds.

[hazy steeple]

Rifles are more for crit stuff than HSD, as the best ones are able to spam. Although a bit of HSD isn't going to hurt.
If you want to "1 shot kill" kinda thing, the harder hitting MMR's are better for that.

[worn mango]

@hazy steeple I'm guessing the toughest part of this FI red is getting those to naturally roll crit damage/chance huh?

[serene hare]

Besides MMRs, which other thing I can use to pair with MMRs on headshot builds?

[red island]

gear set items are easier to get, they only have 1 random roll

[red island]

bighorn

[serene hare]

Hmm

[hazy steeple]

Countdown itself is ironically, the best place to get them.
I like using a weapon that compliments the weakness of the build, so something with bugger all range and high burst.

[serene hare]

Nah, Bighorn is pretty meh.

[worn mango]

I'm gonna get this red FI, looks fun

Seeing variants either using Coyote's or Momento and then the other piece is Ceska, easy enough

[red island]

i dont really like red FI, i feel like focusing on the weaknesses instead of strenghts is a bad call

doing a little of everything is always worse than doing one thing at max efficiency

[worn mango]

I just find survivability sometimes is so crap in CD if you have nobody else that's either tanking hunters or anthing like that. And I always appreciate when I get the buff because then you're doing millions of crits

[hazy steeple]

Glass-cannon is solid choice a lot of the time, but the point of Red FI in Countdown is that your team already has the killing power covered, what they don't have is the rambo-ness to be able to charge out and use that killing power. Red FI helps cover that niche.
Support builds in div2 are super underrated, mostly because there's so little content where they're useful.

[worn mango]

Yep exactly. The description says it perfectly. "This build is a support build intended to give the FI damage buff to your team while you can still run a DPS role where a full healer is not needed."

And you definitely don't need a healer in CD but getting that buff is so fun

And so many people just run Striker or HB

[hazy steeple]

The other thing about Striker is: it's boring. It's so incredibly boring to play 500 hours of it. It's dull. It makes you want to watch paint dry so you have something more interesting to do.

[red island]

no i mean compared to a yellow FI, i'd rather be a healer than a dps but i really dont see what red FI will bring to the table, dps is subpar and healing too

[hazy steeple]

Lyfe not reading the description of Red FI I see.

[red island]

no i read it, but still, if the healing isnt needed, then a striker with healer skills would do pmuch the same

[hazy steeple]

CD is about DPS, Red FI let's you support your team and provide it. You don't need a healer. But you can help your team out with healing all the same, whilst also being able to kill stuff.

[serene hare]

Dread Edict is such a incredibe MMR.

I'll try using it more.

[red island]

the svd ?

[hazy steeple]

I've heard some nutty stuff about builds using that.

[worn mango]

And the gun looks great too

[red island]

idk, maybe im missing something, but like boosting your team dps is always fine, nothing wrong with that, but going red core just doesnt give you much dps if you dont have stacks/talents/gear set focus on dps

thats why striker is so strong

or nego

i'd rather have another striker but running chem launcher or restorer hive than red FI

[hazy steeple]

Let people play more than 1-2 builds, yeah? There's no reason to go 720noscopekillshot buids all the time. The bases are covered. It's fun, the build is helping the team and not actively hindering them.

Red FI in CD is not some niche suggestion that I'm inventing here, it's been a known thing for a while now.

[red island]

oh no, im not forbidding people to play what they want, im just saying i dont see the appeal

like play whatever you want i aint you dad guys

even if i was i wouldnt care either tbh