td2-build-advice

[red island]

try getting above 50% chc

its better

[wheat anchor]

Hes using coyotes

[red island]

ah, then its fine

[wheat anchor]

Though it couldn't hurt

Mine is around 42% cc 130% cd

[nimble pilot]

What can I tinker with

[wheat anchor]

Thats just changing a core or attribute

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes is easy to hit 50ish, really what CHC you pick depends on mid vs short and to figure that you need to watch your distance all the time and average it.

[wheat anchor]

True

[red island]

everything but exo

[wheat anchor]

Higher rof ARs don't need 50% chc imo

the famas is generally fine with 45

[hazy steeple]

That's a pretty hefty loss in DPS.

[vestal ibex]

Going less CHC and more CHD is just tossing DPS out the window.

[wheat anchor]

True

[hazy steeple]

Try and think of the CHC cap in reverse terms. Even at max 60%, you've still got a 2/5 chance to miss.
It's exactly why crit stats aren't recommended on MMR's, compared to HSD+wh.

[red island]

what ? why

rof dont impact crits

[wheat anchor]

Actually fair point

[wheat anchor]

Higher rof improves your dps output ig

But yeah more cc just helps sustain it

[vestal ibex]

CHC just mo betta

[red island]

yeah but its unrelated, more cc = more dps, no matter the rof

[hazy steeple]

Crowd control is nice.

[red island]

for a very low rpm like mmr its fine cause you do oneshots but high rof need chc

[vestal ibex]

Yeah also with this game CHC=crit hit chance and CC=Crowd control.

[wheat anchor]

Right yeah mb lmao

[vestal ibex]

It's all gud yo. We all just wanna help people.

[nimble pilot]

So chc or cud

Cud

C h d

[red island]

both

you need both to do good damage

but one is capped, not the other

[nimble pilot]

Ok

[hazy steeple]

@nimble pilot CHC is more important to hit the proper amount first, after that you pour everything else into CHD.

[solar sable]

Scale 2/1.
Do not go further than 60% CHC. And at least 120% CHD.

[hazy steeple]

Note: you'll get 20% free CHD and 10% free CHC from the SHD watch, so if you aren't hitting the amounts yet you'll get there.

[solar sable]

I'm guessing you're just starting so these numbers are going to be lower.

[red island]

makes me think, i need to redo an entire skill build

mines was made from way before and half of it got reworked

i think i got like 8 skill tier on it now xd

[bronze hound]

Has any metas changed since I last played

[hexed steppe]

would it be a hot take saying not to even bother with a crit build if you cant hit somewhere 3x+ chd/1x chc

[hexed steppe]

no

[bronze hound]

Aight

How's the new bs/named items/gs

Did they also fix that one talent

Brazen was it called?

[hexed steppe]

still strong afaik

none of the gear or items are real gamechangers tho

[bronze hound]

Aight

[solar sable]

let me guess, this numbers are from a nego build

[bronze hound]

Or a rifle build

[onyx sage]

brazen was fixed in terms of it still being active after weapon swap, but otherwise didn't get changed

[bronze hound]

Ok

I'm just gonna stick with pummel

[onyx sage]

try both, if you don't need the ammo refund brazen is straight up better

[bronze hound]

I prefer the ammo

My damage is not having any issues I'm one shotting named enemies

On heroic

[vestal ibex]

head hunter

[onyx sage]

i can one-shot purples with brazen procced

no hh

9% difference pretty big

considering pummel is ~15% increase

[red island]

me : lets make a skill build, now lets test it in summit"
isaac : rogue detected nearby
also isaac : emp jammer detected
me : alright then

[onyx sage]

lol

[pastel crane]

Okay, I'm wondering how I can make Eagle's Grasp work for a Rifle Build.

Maybe with a Negotiator gear set?

[red island]

nego works decently with rifles

especially diamondback

[gentle lichen]

Unless your weapon has horrendous recoil foxes' would be a better choice for overall dps

[rich lotus]

Is any of the Ortiz gear sets good?

[red island]

not really

[rich lotus]

I’m currently sifting through the gear I’ve got after spending all morning grinding heroic 😂 so just wondered

[pine drum]

are pistol builds viable, haven’t played much since Jupiter i think, i got the Busy Little Bee it’s a fun gun

[red island]

regulus is strong

[mellow tree]

Busy Little Bee isn’t really for a pistol build it’s good for usage as a “primer” of sorts to boost the damage of your other guns

[pine drum]

yea i know but it’s the only thing i got lmao

i also have Liberty but unless i’m dumb i don’t think it’s that good

[red island]

just farm other guns, blb isnt great

liberty is not the best either

[pine drum]

it’s also got bad stats cause i got it when the game launched lol

[pine drum]

is this just a farm to get gun or is it tied to something

[red island]

tied to iron horse raid

[pine drum]

oh shit lmao it’s gonna be a minute then

i’ve only played the first Raid…when it came out haven’t even touched Iron Horse

[solar sable]

If you get lucky, you'll get it within 3 runs.

[red island]

yeah but its a quest, so after you done it, you get it, no drop rate

[pine drum]

oh shit that’s nice i just gotta find people to do the raid lol

[red island]

gl

[solar sable]

note that IH takes some time.
Also!!! Do not trash the gear dropped by the first two successful runs as you'll have to donate both Foundry and some other brands to two projects that grant Regulus.

[pine drum]

yea it’s gonna be a moment till i can run it i don’t think i have anything super raid viable rn

[solar sable]

Striker's is universal

[mellow tree]

Also it’s pretty easy to put together a HE Providence red build

Also take advantage of this 3x xp on 100 levels this week because the SHD watch levels will increase damage done in all aspects, you get extra crit and damage stats

[vestal ibex]

If you are required to have a build and do a role in your first IH that sounds like a bad group to run with. Most IH teaching raids I run or participate in don't need the 3 FTCs which allows them to see what the raid is about vs doing a role or being needed and the reason a section fails.

[urban latch]

You don't need to be using exotic weapons, high end guns are absolutely fine to use

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, but it follows similar with an Elmo/coyote
/ striker sitting @ 53/173

[rich lotus]

Can somebody tell me if enemies HP increase with directives or just difficulty (normal-legendary)?

[red island]

Just difficulty, directives just do what they say

[onyx sage]

ragers is the only directive that does it, and it only doubles enemy health when active

[spare spear]

Can someone tell me how I can get the striker set?

[red island]

target loot

[spare spear]

Thanks!

[rocky rain]

Any cool loadout-tips for the Chimera?

[rich lotus]

i found it easiest with regen builds on heroic 5 directives, but i think any run of the mill shield build would be nice too

[violet smelt]

Is it true that true patriot's white buff can activate empathic resolve (chest talent)?

I read somewhere in a YT video comment and I'm interested in making a true patriot build

[mellow tree]

Yeah, your teammate needs to shoot them and get the regen and it will apply

Interesting interaction but very niche

[violet smelt]

They just need to shoot it once right?

[mellow tree]

If the enemy has the white buff, I think so. I haven’t used it I don’t know if the teammate needs to benefit (like heal them) or if they just have to shoot to get the buff

[onyx sage]

it needs to actually heal

[mellow tree]

Considering I’m an absolute gamer who never gets hit, Empathic resolve will never affect me

[red island]

yeah but as chester said : theses wounds they will never heal

[cedar socket]

Whts the best pve build pls 🙏🏼

[solar sable]

Striker's
Hotshot
Negotiator's Dilemma
Mortar

[jagged marlin]

All red high end is also pretty good

[solar sable]

That's right, just pointing out the most popular opinion

[cedar socket]

Thanks 🙏🏼

[tulip charm]

Mortar isn’t popular yet its the strongest skill damage build =<

[mighty plume]

Outside of the ST Elmo's being crit chance and not Dmg to out of cover and not having full stat attributes on some of my armor is there any way to improve this as of my current state? I'm aware that you can hit crazy numbers like 20million DPS but I'm only hitting around 4-5m and I'm kinda stumped as of to what I'm doing wrong, I appreciate the advice i've been given so far such as not capping out my crit chance(i was like 20% over lol) so I'm asking for more feedback, as I don't think a few fractions of numbers would make millions of DPS impact but I'm likely wrong >.> thank you!

[solar sable]

Well, 20mil can only be acquired (I think?) via others Coyote's buffs and maybe, just maybe Striker Chest

[shy willow]

😔

Too many unicorns for people to be interested in I guess

[solar sable]

When you reach the watch's CHC cap you might want to get all Striker gear to CHD

[mighty plume]

Should I spec into it? I was kinda told that its really hard to upkeep and the Ceska or grupo would be better for standard DPS but I also know striker chest Doubles your max stacks

Oh i can change my gloves to ChD rn i think for future proofing

[solar sable]

Doubles stacks yeah.
Grupo isn't that great compared to Ceska as I've been told back when I hit 50/50 watch CHC

[solar sable]

Keep them like that

[mighty plume]

Would still keep me above 50% ChC which im assuming is the norm from builds ive seen but im also told 60 is really nice

[solar sable]

I'm at 58.8% and I stutter hard everytime I get to share my stats

with Oreo*

[mighty plume]

I just feel so weak a lot of the time and I wanna start pulling my own weight in Countdown cause its where I grind a lot but it usually takes me about 2 mags to kill an enemy

[flint wave]

run striker chest in countdown

[light burrow]

Need help making a PvP build Xbox- XLX Monk LXL

[hexed steppe]

nah, its still very effective to run non unicorn mortar with: 3 empress, china, wyvern, btsu/2nd wyvern. glass/shock & awe.

[shy willow]

I haven't gotten round to trying data gloves on my setup

Probably should

[hexed steppe]

i really like them tbh. great for killing the mortar cooldown, even tho its only 10 sec. its also good for resetting your teamates revive hive or other skills. i been getting a lot better at timing it as a support when someone is running oxi or clusters and try and get an oc in right before they launch skills

a lot of ppl use clusters with mortar so btsu isnt a common piece to add. i just love the mayhem a stinger hive unleashes

[shy willow]

Yeah at the minute I just run seekers

[hexed steppe]

i did seekers for a bit, then explosive sticky, but the cooldowns kinda killed their damage potential. hive was a good middle ground, it tears shit apart but can be thrown out with a couple charges in a pinch. btsu just came after because, why not 😎 . havent looked back💯

[long parrot]

looking at leveling up exptertise but want to have fun doing it, any fun but impractical builds that i can make?

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned guide

[little sun]

any anti sleigher and grenade build for PvP

Cause I’m tired of dieing with those people

[tender coral]

Im an inexperienced player, with not alot of time on my hands to play. But I do love the game alot, I so want to get into it! Loved the 1st one, but now im older and have a family and such, hence the lack of time.

I tried googling builds, watching videos, streamers, ...
But everything feels so "clickbaity", everything is "META" it seems.

So as a huge fan, but not as hardcore player, where do I get my sauce? Are there any great websites out there? Content creator? ...

Its just so much to get into for a player like me and "just play the build you want" doesnt help sadly enough, since i get F*ed so fast on normal.

[onyx sage]

check the spreadsheet pinned on this channel

[tender coral]

Shees, that was alot of text, im sorry 😛

[onyx sage]

it's one of the best resources for you, spend time to read it

[tender coral]

Yall prob get these questions on a daily base, sorry. Im not that kinda tech person. Thanks tho!

[solar sable]

As I've always said, no newbie has to apologize for asking questions about something they don't know. They're/You're always welcome.

[rich lotus]

Big Brains of Build Advise: Would a HSD Striker build with Headhunter and Bighorn potentially be a solid build or am I firmly in meme territory

[jagged marlin]

Meme territory

[tulip charm]

Truly a build of all time.

[little sun]

ouroBoros

Just 1 word

[rich lotus]

yeah guess youre right, crit headshots seem to top out at around 4.5million so i doubt with all hsd it would be more than 6 million

which is barely enough for heroic

hope we get some actually fun/good sets to work with next season

[urban latch]

Headhunter is ultimately an on kill talent that only effects your next bullet. So if its not killing the next target in a single shot it's only active 1 bullet per kill. It's strength is also massively dependent on the base damage stat of the gun, which is why its absolutely key on guns like snipers but useless on ARs, smgs, etc.

[rocky rain]

Anyone ever managed to build something useful with the True Patriot brand set? I’ve tried it a bit but wasn’t convinced at all.

[urban latch]

It's one of the weakest gearsets in the game

[rocky rain]

😜 Then I’ve managed to confirm that 👍 Though the description sounded cool.

[rich lotus]

@urban latch I know 🙂 Backstory, was lamenting that Big Horn wasn't a Rifle since if it was it would actually be a better weapon to use than the 1886 on the 2x BP, 2x Zwia, Fox's Prayer Chainkiller headhunter build. Since there aren't really anything but headbreaker 2 piece and 1 fenris for AR damage thought maybe could make up the pure weapon damage with a striker build to 100 stacks, then switch to semi auto (which actually keeps up the 100 stacks pretty easily), but i (think) it ends up being less damage than the aforementioned 1886 build at full headhunter damage, which sucks

I think it ends up being a wash the striker build with chainkiller and fenris 1 piece would be the same 85 weapon damage but with the disadvantage of having to build the stacks even if the full bighorn buff gives an extra 100hsd

im just bored and trying to find something different to do, but i guess nothing new under the sun

[rich cosmos]

Hasn’t been for a while

[rich lotus]

I'd be nice if the team took suggestion from players like Regnbue or iKia after they make lackluster gear sets. They're pretty measured with their critiques and suggestions.

[hazy steeple]

MSV do take feedback into account, they just don't generally take it from specific voices because they have their own platform.

Having been in a few communities where the devs listen closely to youtubers, it doesn't always end well.

[rich lotus]

Which is why I mentioned spreadsheet Youtubers not ahem those other more "popular" ones

i do generally agree with your sentiment tho

[shy willow]

Being a part of the racing game community sucks for this reason

[wise swallow]

youtubers are bad is very case to case

devs should listen to everyone, not just who you agree with

[hazy steeple]

I mean, when it comes to div2 youtubers, being awful is the rule, not the exception.

Our most popular ones are all click-bait nonsense or have left div2 behind.

but as this is build-advice and not users whine, let's let this discussion die out.

[rich cosmos]

Don’t forget reposting the exact same videos over and over pretending like its new

[jagged marlin]

Well, there isn't much if any new content at all in division to cover, can't really blame them

[hazy steeple]

There is if you actually try, but there's not the equivalent of a new game every season, which honestly works for this game more than it does for others.
but as I said, let's move this over to #td2-general-chat

[rocky rain]

On the Backfire Exotic, can you roll DTOC?

[tranquil wave]

of course

anyone has a spreadsheet or something for DZ/Conflict?

[magic pilot]

Yep it's in the pins

[rocky rain]

Where can I get Yaahl gear? It’s not in Countdown.

[hexed steppe]

its not in target loot. dz only. just target gear types for a chance

[tranquil wave]

DZ caches

[hexed steppe]

clan vendor sometimes has a piece to buy if you want to stock up on mats tho.

couple weeks ago was last time

[rocky rain]

Thanks, hate DZ…

[hexed steppe]

you can work around it if just using for 1pc bonus and using already ceska

[rocky rain]

I need it for the HazPro, I’m building a Backfire setup

[rocky rain]

So for a gearmod is 10% hazpro also 10% bleedresistance?

[urban latch]

1% Haz pro is 1% resistance to all resistance types. If you have 10% haz pro and 10% bleed resistance, then those two would add together and you'd have 20% bleed resistance and at least 10% resistance to all other types

[rocky rain]

Thanks!! So better to add HazPro than eg bleed. Cool!

[urban latch]

Well your better off just making a hunters fury SMG build and not using the backfire and haz pro, but yeah

[rocky rain]

Sure, but sometimes nice to do something else

[hexed steppe]

Should be able to hit close to 100% bleed resist without yaahl.
6 hazpro rolls, watch hazpro, 3 bleed resist mod..

I agree with above.
The big problem with backfire isnt only the bleed tho. It takes 4 mags to max out the talent and it drops quick. You kinda end up just running with part of your damage potential.

Hazpro itself can can be fun. I run 100% hazpro on my countdown cc eclipse build .

[rich lotus]

need help idk which to make ourobous build

[urban latch]

Strikers, hunters fury, and nego are all very good options

[rich lotus]

i tested i will only do 2,4mil dps not so much

well seems like i use elmo for now

cuz my build so bad

[vestal ibex]

Any of the builds that use Elmo can slot in any other weapon...

[rich lotus]

yes but with ourobous i need use other build for solo

[urban latch]

Not really

[urban latch]

Wait with an ouro? Not sure how your testing your dps or what your build is, but that would be very low

[rich lotus]

yes i know i dont have good builds only striker and fury

and hotshot

[urban latch]

Right but striker and HF should be well above that

Like striker at 0 stacks should be above that

[rich lotus]

and striker mask with 4 pieces memento and steelplate vest good for heroic solo??

[urban latch]

What's steel plate?

[rich lotus]

chest piece

[urban latch]

Generally we just use the brandsets, and if it's a chest it backpack mention the talent

[rich lotus]

steelwork brand

[urban latch]

No one will have the individual names memorized, especially because a single brandset could have several names for a single gear slot

Oh palisade, my bad

[rich lotus]

steelwork chestplate

with oblirate talent

and i fall for his fury i never use it again

[urban latch]

?

[rich lotus]

i used fury and i hear its now bad nerfed

[urban latch]

It hasn't been nerfed and it's still one of the best sets in the game

[rich lotus]

it wasnt?

[urban latch]

You can literally just swap the 4p strikers for 4p HF and have a very solid build

[rich lotus]

but low rpm with ouro

too low plus my expertise is 12+

[urban latch]

Not having the 15% rpm from strikers still has the ouro with higher rpm than any other weapon with strikers...

[rich lotus]

i guess i use coyote 4 strikers for now with ar and dark winter

[nocturne void]

What’s a decent way to make ninja knee caps work? If forget the exact name of them…

[urban latch]

Use the exotic component to upgrade something useful

[hexed steppe]

why dont you go ahead and post the build youre trying to use with oreo... chances are we will be able to pinpoint whats causing low dps. oreo is pretty much the top of the line dps weapon...
this channel has image permissions, post a screenshot of your inventory top view (i) , then post an image of the stats tab showing crit chance and crit damage.

like this

[rich lotus]

ok hold on i send

https://prnt.sc/C3SJaC6OmZIe

i not good with builds

[hexed steppe]

make your chest talent the same as i have in the above image (obliterate)

[rich lotus]

https://prnt.sc/ZqwTH6OFhAeR problem is attributes

[hexed steppe]

idealy you want crit chance/crit damage attributes. you can use the chest you have or go grupo (possibly ceska). youll want to sit close to 60% chc since orep will proc coyote close buff a lot. once close to 60chc, make all other attributes chd. grupo chest would be a chd set bonus. obliterate chest talent works well on crit builds and will be like having a ramp up glass cannon damage equivalent, but without the downsides

[urban latch]

Other than the brandslot, your getting little/nothing from the chest. If any of the reason your using it is just that the rolls are maxed, that's not at all a reason to use it. Right rolls >>> max rolls all day. Tbh that chest is worth scrapping and you can likely craft a better chest quick quickly, even if the rolls are 75% maxed

Outside the chest the build is fine though. Improving the chest will definitely help, but even then the difference isn't going to be THAT big, you've already got a solid enough setup

[rich lotus]

his chest ok? just get same chest but with cc and cd right?

[urban latch]

With the ouro, running ceska, grupo, and soklov are all very close to each other, with ceska winning by a very slight margin. But it's close enough that if you have a better version of one of the others just use that

[rocky rain]

Steelwork = Palisade I guess

Most of my builds are Ninja-based with Belstone for survivability.

[rich lotus]

in countdown rng so bad

i cant get striker mask

[hexed steppe]

Stick with coyote

[hexed steppe]

Ninja dragging you way down by trading a strong backpack talent for a couple set bonus

[rocky rain]

Well, depends. For brands I agree but the 3 cores are also strong benefits

[hexed steppe]

Memento is much better

1 piece covers regen, bonus armor, weapon damage, skill efficiency (% in all skill buckets™️)

[rocky rain]

Use that often too indeed. But on higher difficulty you come out of cover only when the floor is cleared

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, your long buff only needs 1 pickup every 5 minutes to maintain full buff

[rocky rain]

Mmm, never realized that. Interesting. Will have a good look at it. So it’ll be a HF or NegDil based build then? I now often use skill build tier 6 Ninja based and is quitte strong, and safe

[hexed steppe]

Most of the time a regular bag is just better damage. Big damage means more dead stuff . You turn your offensive strength into your survival.
There is also blue core striker 🤔

[rocky rain]

Striker is a bit boring, use it only for runs with a good healer in the team.
So survivability is purely Memento-based?

[hexed steppe]

I usually use a nego variant for dps and will have a memento version saved. It's also usually tech and with artificer so shield is beefy af

Shield strength scales with the skill health from skill efficiency. Artificer repair also scales with skill efficiency

[rocky rain]

Will give that a try, thanks.

[fervent lake]

What is the best build for armor regeneration?

[urban latch]

1p belstone, 2p Golan, 3p gila

Can also go ninja, 1p belstone, Golan, foundry, and 2p gila

[magic pilot]

Cover??

[magic pilot]

PvP?

[rocky rain]

Cover usually means cover, yes

[onyx sage]

he means you don't really use cover in higher difficulties

as in, stand behind cover but not get into cover

[fervent lake]

What is the best sniper rifle and LMG?

[red island]

look pinned comment for spreadsheet for builds

[solar sable]

SR-1 or Model 700
AFAIK GR9

[tulip charm]

For lmg rpk,l86 and mg5

[fervent lake]

What is the purpose of the palisades steelworks?

[cerulean smelt]

for me it's the 3pc skill tier in it

[onyx sage]

1p is 10% aok so

pretty gucci

[shy willow]

Yeah the aok is sweet

[rich lotus]

Does tardigrade work well with 4 piece striker?

[flint wave]

not really you'd rather have someone else run it. Memento is better for armor damage hybrids

[rich lotus]

Ah okay thank you

[magic pilot]

Throwing one piece on striker and red coring it is super common

[red island]

yo, whats the oneshot sniper build already ? i cant find it on the spreadsheet

[urban latch]

Sniper setups

[red island]

thanks man

i need to buy some eyes someday

[hexed steppe]

Works good as a skilltier piece in afk build as well 👀

[red island]

lol i got kard tdi blueprint in reconstructed cache

didnt expect that

[hexed steppe]

That's a nice one 💯

[onyx sage]

descent gamer

[bright orchid]

What's a good place to grind for the king breaker?

Same for rock and roll, I know the ACS shotgun helps with that since it's the non exotic version. I'm running Saint Elmos Engine right now with the....Catharsis if I remember right

[onyx sage]

countdown

[onyx sage]

rock and roll is dz/conflict/named cache only

there is no exotic ACS

[bright orchid]

Or not an exotic, named I meant

[onyx sage]

the named one even if you ignore the talent has 5% extra rof, at least

[bright orchid]

I know there should be a named one

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's the lefty

it has a 5% rof mod that other variants don't have

[bright orchid]

Yeah, I'm looking for rock and roll, and thus grinding countdown to get points to get the cache from shop

Say is division 2 cross platform ?

[onyx sage]

it's cross platform but not cross play

[bright orchid]

Ah dang, so got to look for fellow PSN users

Mkmk

[onyx sage]

or no cross-progression

[red island]

lets not get ahead of ourselves lol

btw how many lopps do i need to do for another reconstructed cache ?

[red island]

ok so loop 15 and onward

not great cause that mean a long farm route everytime

and rogues can fk me up

[onyx sage]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

🤢 30 loop seems rough

if we make it to the 30 loop for the 2 reconstructed cache, will we get a chance to the 3-25 as well or does the run just take "you made it to 30 you get 2 caches"?

[red island]

its a % for every floor

floor 15 is 75% chance for a cache

but if you get it or not doesnt affect the % for the next one

so yeah you can have up to 5 caches if you're lucky

[cerulean smelt]

you mean 6?

[red island]

oh yeah i mean 5 bonus

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok my bad XD

[red island]

on top of the garanteed one

np i wasnt clear

[cerulean smelt]

even seeing that, i don't even want to attempt 30 loops XD

[red island]

yeah it gets boring pretty fast doing the same rooms over and over

[cerulean smelt]

but it might make it on my to do one day

[red island]

also 31 loop is the max, i think it stop after that

[cerulean smelt]

nods makes sense as they probably don't want to code up loop 31+ for those that would do it regardlessly

[red island]

coding isnt the problem, you just scale the values automatically imo

but the talents and stats have a limit anyway

[cerulean smelt]

nods that would be rough if we kept getting higher leveled talents and stats and make the mode even more of a joke?

[red island]

yeah, at some point scaling become impossible to balance, enemies get so much hp and you deal so much damage it just doesnt make sense

also you need to have an ending so that people cant find an exploit and run it forever

[cerulean smelt]

nods saw a message from someone saying they came out of descent to 34 levels. never said how many loops they did though. assuming they did a lot

[red island]

idk i never went that far

[cerulean smelt]

highest i've done is 19. got too bored to go on so i either died and was like yeah, no more descent tonight and just got my stuff and found something else to do or just logged off and went to bed

or i could've gotten to the point of 20 but i opted to leave instead of continuing. don't remember exactly what happened

[hexed steppe]

Lefty or regular acs better, either of these 20 round versions are capable of generating 160 stacks while maintaining utility or a damage talent.
Also not 💯, but I thought rnr was still broken and reverting to 20 rounds after weapon swap . Someone correct me if it's actually fixed

[cerulean smelt]

is rnr supposed to have a higher magazine?

i get 30 bullets emptying it and manually reloading it in the range, which i know is probably buggy still

[red island]

you might have a mag size bonus

check your stats on your gear and the gun

but tbh 20 is plenty

[cerulean smelt]

build i was testing it on

[red island]

yeah thats a bad build for sure

if you get striker you need the bag at all cost

its so much better than the chest

[cerulean smelt]

and here is what i was about to test it on

47 round RNR O_O

[red island]

ninjabike is also bad

xd

[cerulean smelt]

i can't wait for League to test this bad boy in it

Lady death with 57 rounds? hopefully i'll be the flash in the league XD

[red island]

lady death isnt great tbh, you need to run too much for it to do damage

and the bigger the mag, the more you need to run

[cerulean smelt]

but we get a kill our movement speed goes up right?

and hard/challenging isn't all that hard to need a lot of damage for usually, least from my experience

[red island]

Your speed doesn't affect it, you could run slow or fast, its time spent running that matter

[cerulean smelt]

that i understand, but league you're trying to finish the missions under certain times right? so Lady death can play a big part of getting 10/10 for leagues

[red island]

Oh for speedrun you mean, it's aight I guess ?

But unless you wanna break world record I dont think it's worth it

[cerulean smelt]

don't think there's a world record for it honestly, but you never know

when i play those i'm usually on the line of being 9/10 or 10/10. so i'm thinking the lady death will help me a ton

[hexed steppe]

reload and swap weapon away from rnr and back. the bug would drop the extra 10 from the talent. it might have been fixed though

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i did that and didnt' see a drop in bullets in the magazine

again in the range so maybe that bug overwrites rnr bug XD

[hexed steppe]

probably fixed then, thanks

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, fast traveld to DCD and same thing

[livid mesa]

Is this a good tank build? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgGxgIx2GADFn2+9wC4UNxsFkB2Sg-O240nCsSgDls-s0Ilma6DuxPmTAJuQhnHJMJUyXl7JsiDIoYo26sGz4a6xTChzA+KLajgmLMNIsI9gBohDEGgA

Also yes I'll name it the captain america build lol

[tulip charm]

I mean you’re not gonna die to elites ig

[shy willow]

Inb4 purple warhounds and minitanks

[cerulean smelt]

elites are the yellow barred with armor squares right?

[shy willow]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

probably stronger as blue striker crit rolls. produces a lot more damage.

you could also slot in picaros rolled yellow for a free skill tier / red core and tech class for a free skilltier. tech class also has artificer hive that will heal your shield continuously. you can push this even further by using memento 1r 1y 1b cores, 3% regen, 30% weapon damage, 30% skill efficiency (%in all skill buckets ™️ ). memento uses that skill efficiency to buff shield strength and also buff artificers skill repair . this second part is before figuring the rest of the build. memento attributes are kindof insane.

ill preempt the general consensus that memento is hard to stack in a group. personal experience has memento getting stacked on highend afk turret build, or even eclipse, quite easily. can even stack in groups of strikers. if just going weapon damage its even easier to stack

was stacking mem fine in group with this cursed monstrosity today

if still prefering the repair drone, memento and tech combined can give 40% repair skills , while not using any attribute space

[livid mesa]

Nightmare

[onyx sage]

give Ru the purple minitanks

[mint axle]

Not so much, especially in those parts where you know where to go but you can't proceed until the character finishes his scripted dialogue line, an ouroboros would be better to clear the rooms.

[wise glen]

Any decent protection from elites build for doing hunters for collecting masks?, especially for dealing multiple hunters at the same time (normal mode of course)

[tulip charm]

Just run pfe instead of crit damage

You can also run improvised glove/holister/knee for extra mod slots

[glad heart]

Plus Scorpio

[tulip charm]

yeah

Also do it in normal difficulty

[wise glen]

thanks

[hexed steppe]

It's also worth running shock traps and deploy in their spawn before you trigger them

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgQRjsMAGDXM+9gXMAOyKSkJQm7V7X5JoKYIJEActnN6+EZzXQd3p8+A7kNr0EY0hPlS4RXEiQA2MEigatJLRy0xhcEEc3oqknNI2YQlhdZ7QrGXuEcYgA is this a good hybrid? Should i put two damage cores?

[tulip charm]

No imo

But build whatever you desire.

[cerulean smelt]

when i think hybrid you're combining things. it looks like you're just trying to make a tank do damage

like the monstrosity where people will be asking me why?! that i built last night after thinking a bit

[rich cosmos]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMYIxmDZtUvagXBJTYKRATRIxU2FiSgLABY6zTnME43SBWYp36CgJyQ+IlsCF54o0RQBss+vDhI4IIXAH4BbAZJIVK0sXRqcj5OqyHMMco0A

[cerulean smelt]

ninja bag, hollow man mask, contractor's gloves, fox's prayer, Sacrifice and 1 Grupo since i don't have a Ceska. Technician with that AR with Future Perfection (get 4 skill tiers)

[rich cosmos]

Should I use another skill tier, I really don’t like using capacitor but I understand it would be objectively better

[cerulean smelt]

capacitor? you have elmos in it's place?

oh Mechanical Animal was the gun i was talking about. you could probably try that out @rich cosmos each kill you get gives you a skill tier and you can get upto 6 and think Overcharge unless that 4th kill has to be past skill tier 6?

[onyx sage]

you want to get your mind blown?

[cerulean smelt]

🍿

[onyx sage]

shield's effective skill tier is the sum of blue and yellow cores right

[cerulean smelt]

yes, i've made many builds trying to combine the 2 and always fail

[rich cosmos]

I might do that, the only thing holding me back all be it a selfish reason is I don’t like the look of the light grey huge extended mags on non exotic weapons

[onyx sage]

so if you have shield and another skill, and use future perfect to get overcharge for both, your shield will get OC first

[rich cosmos]

Although mechanical animal has a nice moth skin so it is a good choice

[red island]

then dont do hybrid, do full yellow and you'll have a big shield (or if you play technician get a few blue core)

[onyx sage]

because your shield will reach t6 first if it's not t6 already, then the next kill will cause it to OC

make use of that info for whatever you want

[rich cosmos]

Im using restorer and blinder firefly

Blinder gets more targetable enemies and longer blind duration with skill tiers

[cerulean smelt]

oh i never used the Future Perfect with shield in general. i'm usually trying to put things on like Catharsis or using the Liberty Pistol or the Technician Hive but like i said fails everytime XD

have chunga in my frontal view a red or purple gets behind me and i go down fast.....

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't either, it's just that the shield also counting blue cores as a skill tier

makes it reach t6 (and then oc) faster than other skills

[cerulean smelt]

that or i get a fire nade to the face and i die

[red island]

or just play in team with someone that has btsu gloves and proc overcharge

then get the shield

[hexed steppe]

No hybrid is complete without skill buckets™️

[cerulean smelt]

lol, that's my problem when i play this game. i always want skills. hybrid. ST6 + armor or ST6 + weapon damage and pray it works well together

[hexed steppe]

Use the bs I posted last night. I've actually got to get around to making one for each of my agents.
I haz all the buckets 😎
#td2-build-advice message

It's like a 54/170 on cap, at least somewhere in that range

Then like a 59/150ish on harmony

[cerulean smelt]

i made something last night but didn't save into a load out. Ninja bag, Sacrifice, Hollowman, Contractor's, Fox's and only have a Grupo Holster so i can't be bothered to go farm up a ceska holster. TEchnician spec and utilizing the Mechanical Animal so it's more like 6 weapon damage cores and i build up to 6 skill tiers with the ar

[hexed steppe]

With cap. What I posted equates to a 6r 6y. Harmony just like 5% less wd than cap

[cerulean smelt]

was running bank to try and farm up my Habs chest and backpack i think? or was it i neede 3 habs all together? for a build that i was shown 392% HSD

[hexed steppe]

24/7 it sees this and that's before memento stacks

[hexed steppe]

Why ninja tho? Not really gaining anything... you could add a yellow picaros in place of hollowman , and get 2 yellow 1 red because on ninja... just doesnt seem like a benefit , but maybe I'm missing something 🥷

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs just something i wanted to try and see. can i make a 6 red build with 2 skill tiers, build up to 6 skill tiers and it'll still work?

and not sure. i feel i've been explained the mecahnics of Future Perfect(ion) several times that if we just reach 6 skill tiers based on the maximum of 3 skill teirs for normal weapons and 4 for Mechanical Animal and the MMR variant. the next kill beyond that bring us into overcharge or not? i feel i've been told we can still get OC even if our 3rd or 4th isn't in Overcharge?

[hexed steppe]

Hollowman > yellow picaros swap would 6r 4y before future perfect is factored. Less kills to oc and more effective skills when off buff

Hollow doesn't really do much in comparison. Js

[cerulean smelt]

though, i'm also wanting to make another build with ninja, picaros skill teired, then 2 pc palasades maybe skill tiered as well, then 2 other pieces of whatever red core. main weapon capacitor to see if i can push the damage further with the gun

my only other mask choices are providence or another Grupo

[hexed steppe]

You farm what you need. But grupo mask makes up for lost grupo holster if using picaros 😎

It's only adding to the build tbf

[solar sable]

skill buckets

[cerulean smelt]

i know where you going with it, this build i'm not going to be keeping really, just wanted to see. can i have 2 skill tier use mechanical animal to build up to 6 skill tier and if possible stil hit Overcharge even though i used up all 3/4 kills to get 6 skill tiers?

[tulip charm]

Memento and technician is already 2

[cerulean smelt]

i don't like memento to be honest. it's a wasted talent as is. if they changed it so we don't have to pick up the trophies i'd love it. i never pick up the trophies until after everything is dead then get to the next area with nothing from memento going

[hexed steppe]

Ok... but it is build advice and crafting discussion.1 change makes you much more effective with no loss. You do you boo

[cerulean smelt]

love you're telling me how to improve it, but not answering the mechanics of Future Perfect(ion) if the 4th/5th kill beyond the amount it says we'd get our skill tier would take effect or not and put us into Overcharged skills?

[hexed steppe]

Well the improvement would negate the issue if you can oc faster.
Afaik the 4th kill or less can oc if you made up the cores with the talent.

But yeah
More kills to oc + weaker skills > less kills to oc and stronger skills 100% of the time...

I just think youre focused on the problem and missing the solution

[hexed steppe]

🪣™️

[cerulean smelt]

yes probably, but the description even states "Weapon kills at skill tier 6 grant overcharge for 15s."

above that "Weapon kills grant +1 skill teir for 19s. Stacks up to 4 times."

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[hexed steppe]

I mean for testing take what you built and verify.

Suggestion was to make everything more effective overall , get to oc faster.

[hexed steppe]

Future perfect headhunter hybrid incoming?

[onyx sage]

i think someone i know has already made it

just not using scalpel

god no

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i hate that gun in general

[cerulean smelt]

though this build needs some tweaking, but i might actually like it. Ninja Bag, yellow picaros, 2 yellow palasades then whatever for the other 2 pieces and i can be any specialization or, 1 yellow palasades, 1 red palasades then 2 other red pieces and do some serious damage with capacitor main gun

[urban latch]

Not that serious...

[solar sable]

I just realised your pfp is not Doge

[urban latch]

Legends never die

[versed summit]

2/3 pc palisades is honestly just a waste. You’re losing too many brand sets to make ninjabike useful, and it’s not that much better without Ninjabike.

I messed around with some ninjabike builds for capacitor, and they just don’t have remotely the same damage as a more focused hybrid, or as much utility as a build using memento.

[mint axle]

The same with health build, they become less viable than Regen bcs part of your HP is not armor.

[hexed steppe]

i missed this last night. you do know memento long buff only needs 1 trophy every 5 minutes after charged to maintain full long buff, right? long buff is 3% regen, 30% weapon damage, 30% skill efficiency (% in all skill buckets™️ ), so its not really nothing unless you are taking way too much time to clear an area. i do understand some people dont prefer it, so im not pushing it here. just mentioning something you may be missing about it

[shy willow]

Skill buckets

[magic pilot]

And 30% efficiency

[rich lotus]

this was me

[hazy steeple]

No record of the ID, I assume since it was deleted. Let me see if I can search for something around that time.

[rich lotus]

yeah I deleted my account after I got hacked

[sly pollen]

hi, I want to prepare a healer set that I can use with the scorpio pump. I'm open to suggestions

[rich lotus]

afaik future initiative with btsu data gloves is still the best healer build

[sly pollen]

Do you have a photo of build?

[rich lotus]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdow2jlMgLmAVgqi4DsAnCibuljsvABxmkoYTCVKbN0cwYAsL9nZNADZKwdvwmw0AJhDUEhfBDbLwWact6CB-NDo5puGYtOIhec0jN7cb8jkA

[worn mango]

Named Uzina, focus on repair skills and then haste

[rich lotus]

what's uzina?

[pastel crane]

The brand set

[rich lotus]

ah how new is that?

[pastel crane]

It was added in Season 9, so two years ago.

Backpack is called The Setup

[rich lotus]

ty

[cerulean smelt]

i have no clue honestly. i go by the way the icon works. colored in buff works, all black and whiteish buff gone. or is that not right how it works?

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but i'm just trying things just to do something in division. as is, there's really nothing i want to do in division after doing the manhunt stuff, incursion already got oroborus, eagle bearer, regulus, summit/descent/count down are just boring to me, so what else do you suggest doing when the game in general feels soul sucking boring? least just trying to make builds to see how it feels is semi fun and stimulating

[red island]

you sound like you are burnt out of the game

maybe you should take a break and play something else

[cerulean smelt]

yeah pretty much, and i have been playing other games, but come back to check on the manhunt stuff and that's all i can muster lately

[versed summit]

Theorycrafting builds is fun. Find something you want to do with a build, and minmax it as much as you can. at least that's what I do. The minmaxing is the part i enjoy personally.

There's also legendary if you're looking for a challenge, but yeah, sometimes it may just be time for a break.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, forget legendary. least my experience it's just heroic level AI that takes 5X more bullets to kill.
been taking breaks but only return for the manhunt objectives, so how much more of a break one needs?

[onyx sage]

legendary's difficulty is more on the AI tbh

it's not just heroic but stat bumped

[versed summit]

enemy compositions are nuts too

[cerulean smelt]

only legendary run i haven't done is the Countdown if that's a possibility

[red island]

countdown doesnt have legendary

only heroic

legendary is strongholds and summit

[cerulean smelt]

i probably thought of trying legendary summit 1-100, saw the white tusk and noped out of it. just knowing the mechanics of summit and just thinking fighting nothing but white tusk doesn't sound fun

[hexed steppe]

So there are 2.
Short buff is an orange trophy square, that will draw back for 10 seconds, or refresh if picking up trophy.

Long term is white and slowly fills with white background representing how long you have to pick up a trophy and maintain stacks. Pickups reset this to a fresh 5 mins.
The small bar under this is solid white representing 1-30 trophy stacks.
You do obv need to collect 30 to fill this, but this bar is what is maintained for the 5 mins. So 1 trophy refreshes the timer for all the stacks you have at the time

[cerulean smelt]

ohh, you see the white you're talking about i was thinking "buff gone" kind of mechanic so i was like ok i go into another room with nothing so i was like why do people like this?. that part i didn't understand about the white icon means it's still there and i just need 1 trophy to keep it going for another 5 minutes. thanks for edumacating me on that part

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. It will be a fairly weak buff at first when only picked up a few trophy. Once you got stacks you're gold for as long as you're active. Its particularly good when grinding a long session and able to avoid fast traveling to safehouse (they reset stacks) .
I consider short buff as a way of bridging the gap with a bigger boost to attributes as you build long stacks.

[cerulean smelt]

i just don't recall if i ever watched a video of a streamer explaining it this way. they might not and assume everyone watching understands the whole mechanic and just mentions short buff, long buff. that or my eyes and ears glaze over them explaining it as i'm there for their build, then they drone on about various things

[onyx sage]

sometimes you just gotta figure it out yourself

[vestal ibex]

Also streamers/youtubers are not in the know mostly.

This guy kinda knows things You could ask him stuff when he is live.

[hexed steppe]

You see a lot of people using it for a survival piece. Also on hunters fury builds. Lots of intimidate usage before nerf relied on short buff bonus armor stacks. In that sense its essential to get the short buff. Its probably why there was such a focus.

Memento kinda been my jam for a long time.
It is the hardest working single piece in the game.

For me, I look at all it does. Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:
-45% weapon damage
-2 shield tiers
-free armor and skill core
-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair
-# skill buckets™️
-3% armor regen

Short buff adds core dependant buff and are a nice bonus but dont factor in to my reasoning for usage because its inconsistent unless always cqb when killing

[onyx sage]

this guy

[red island]

please delete that space before skill repair its really annoying

[hexed steppe]

Typos are also my jam 👴

[onyx sage]

oldge

[red island]

its ok, it just made my eye twitch lmao

im def not neurotypical

[nimble pilot]

What’s a good grenade launcher build

[hexed steppe]

Typical mortar build. The mortar generates a lot of spec ammo while being really high damage

[nimble pilot]

Is that on spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I believe so. I use a different version. If you can work in 2 grupo and a china piece you'll have good explosive damage attributes

[cerulean smelt]

you see i've tried a BTSU gloves variant and it left me not liking it as much. let me tell you though the 2 grupo grind is real O_O

[hexed steppe]

Oc cap stacked mortar can hit for like 13ish mil

[cerulean smelt]

looking at your talents. bet you do a severe amount of damage O_O
i got a different version which i enjoy a whole lot

[hexed steppe]

If it was a hardwire mortar its gonna be a lot lower damage

[cerulean smelt]

2 grupo, 1 china light, 3 empress (ceasar's guard) and Shock and Awe, don't recall if perfect or just normal shock and awe. it's done me well

[hexed steppe]

Should be perfect since china light bag has perfect

[cerulean smelt]

i've had good luck with Skilled and it makes them dance (roll left and right constantly)

[cerulean smelt]

👍 thanks i wasn't sure what the perfect was on. thinking dev wise they'd throw it on empress international or grupo or worse yet murakami or something XD

though, i do want to try and get an empress with Explosive delivery and lose out on getting instant seekers back from time to time

[hexed steppe]

The skilled isnt really needed. Mortar is 10 second cooldown. I can see it with cluster tho since long cooldown.
I prefer hive and btsu. I can kill cooldown for me and team if needed. Get oc from time to time. I also like hive since I can throw it out with just a couple charges if i need in a pinch

[cerulean smelt]

i can see that (> <)

[hexed steppe]

Plus hive will send multiple charges at any npc close. Clusters will only target 1 npc, even if you have more clusters than npcs to kill

[cerulean smelt]

i know clusters aren't great. coming from div 1 they got etched into my heart and i just can't not use them

[onyx sage]

clusters even if not for damage still serve as good soft cc if anything

it has a place in my heart too

[cerulean smelt]

i kind of wish they'd give us that gear set in div 1. mind can't think of it but as you do damage you get a stack that increases your skills damage. think div 1 effectively gave us a nuke in our hand with the explosive sticky

[onyx sage]

tactician's authority

[cerulean smelt]

thank you. was going to log into div 1 to look for it XD

even if they changed it to: each stack gives 1% in skill efficiency upto say 50 stacks woudl've been awesome XD

[compact viper]

Hey guys, quick question.

What would be the best way to efficiently use Heartbreaker? Correct rolls and everything.

Been gathering some pieces but I still can't figure it out how to properly set it up.

[cerulean smelt]

wish i could say, what i have feels a little meh at best.
4 pc heartbreaker, believe i got coyote's mask and probably a grupo sombra piece to further increase my chd. tech specialization with an AR that can utilize the laser point pulse

if you don't want to be limited to a handful of ARs that can use the laser pointer. sacrificing a piece for Nightwatcher which decreases your pulse cooldown to the point you can perma pulse everything around you indefinitely

[compact viper]

I'm debating on running Memento instead of the HB backpack and having the rolls set up for headshot damage instead.

I'll be definitely running the Kingbreaker AR with Technician specialization on this one. But I'm looking to balance both damage and survivability.

[cerulean smelt]

on the other server someone mentioned upgraded expertised pulse lasts long enough that as it ends your pulse is ready. how many levels is that, couldn't say honestly. i'm only level 21 expertise wise and not sure i even tried to see how it does and if that's even relevant

[wise swallow]

The survivability is already built into the talent. You basically want to invest fully into dmg, Id use coyote and ceska then 4pc hb including chest

[hexed steppe]

Also use tech class for linked laser to pulse anything you aim at

[compact viper]

So basically stay with the good old CHC/CHD thing right?

[wise swallow]

Yea

[compact viper]

Any of the HB pieces rolled for red or it's all good to keep them all blue?

[wise swallow]

You could leave one of the HB pieces as a blue if you feel your really lacking survivability but id try to roll it red as soon as you comfortable

youd go all red

[hexed steppe]

Another option would be blue core striker. No worries about pulsing and beefy af

[wise swallow]

Striker is bascially just better but HB is cool lol

[cerulean smelt]

and you see that's how i felt about HB, you go all blue to get a higher bonus armor but the damage felt lacking, you go all red you still get bonus armor but your damage is there

[wise swallow]

HB basically brings you to 1.5 mill armour at max stacks with full red dmg but realisically your gonna sit at 1.1-1.3. 2 blue striker has the same dmg and constant extra armour

[tulip charm]

Striker nerf :prayge:

[compact viper]

Yeah lol I'm just trying to experiment with Heartbreaker this time. Probably the only gearset I still haven't tried properly.

I'll give it a try with that combination you guys told me. Appreciate the help once again.

[hexed steppe]

Whenever you get sick of stacking your damage buff, look into a nego build 😎

[cerulean smelt]

personally i like the Full Metal Jacket build. no gimmicks, you first shot is damage you crit is a bonus (> <)

you get grazed by the bullet zipping past you (not hitting you at all, just the air pressure) you lose your armor XD

[tulip charm]

HE build is cool

[hexed steppe]

Nego is FMj with damage transfer basically. I was always he before I swapped to nego

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i get that, though i miss the old nego (> <)

[tulip charm]

The only drawback to nego is that you become a human decoy

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, that aggro when not used to it can eff you sometimes

[tulip charm]

Wait old nego?

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 you know i never tried it recently with Oreo

[tulip charm]

Grenade launcher nego?

[cerulean smelt]

pregear 1.0 nego was awesome

[cerulean smelt]

yes that nego

[wise swallow]

basically the only thing I can solo clear legendary with

[cerulean smelt]

shivers my burning remains of trying to take on a player that ran that + clutch and i just killed myself off thier grenades

[tulip charm]

I didnt play much of gear 1.0. My only builds where seeker spam and clutchzerk.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean smelt]

i was all skill builds back then too. someone opened my eyes to HW with the seeker hive. my mind 🤯

i'd also be that guy you'd inspect and boot.
i'd have some sort of build going and put in that holster that sets 1 target on fire in a certain radius in my build just for that purpose

i'd also try to add Creeping death to it so it'd set multiple targets on fire

[cerulean smelt]

oh how i hated clutch zerk builds. never got it so it's more jealousy

[rich lotus]

it was awesome

"STOP HEALING ME"

[cerulean smelt]

back in that day i'd probably be the one healing you lol

didn't it used to be hard to farm that up with the correct attributes?

[rich lotus]

i dont recall that being the case but its been 5 years so

[cerulean smelt]

back in the day we didn't have recalibration station or optimize station. it was you farm the pieces to get max weapon damage, critical hit chance and critical hit damage if not that and we always had the recalibration and optimize we still had to get the pieces together. the cores were set so we just hoped we get some kind of decent chc/chd and whatever so we swapped to what we were missing

i always got that chest with health and repair skills or some junk like that

[rich cosmos]

Okay grandpa time for bed

[mighty plume]

Ok I got a question, I always hear that for builds that use rifles you want the M1A or M1A classic and I just wanna know why cause It feels like the worst of the rifles to use maybe its the damage it deals cause yes the damage on it is nice but I find myself performing better with the ACR SS for example because I can just spam out shots much faster and easier on target + the reload speed feels faster

Its probably a skill issue on my end I just wanna know that is all

[red island]

With a bit of stability you should stay on target forever

But even if some guns are better than other, most guns are usable anyway if you like a feeling over another dont scratch your head too much

[onyx sage]

the m1a classic is slow but the m1a cqb is a lot closer to the acr ss

m1a classic is easier to use at range because of the forced lower rpm that makes you line up shots more

[rich cosmos]

Goofy ah build posting

[onyx sage]

you know, i can get behind this

it makes sense

[rich cosmos]

It actually works

St elmos really does just have stupidity high stats

I tried experimenting with other heals but I didn’t like it as much as just using the blinder

Im an unironic lover of the blinder firefly

[onyx sage]

i like it cuz you can quick cast it

one of the few CC skills you can quick cast

[rich cosmos]

The quick cast is useful for some situations but I like it because it allows for longer range stunning, only downside is the speed of the firefly and it sometimes just auto destroying

[mighty plume]

Ok so I can just use rifles I like thats a good thing to hear

I will try out the M1A classic a lot more see if I can get a good feel for it

[rich cosmos]

If a rifle has 30 rounds its not worth using

Otherwise everything else should be decent

[mighty plume]

Funnily enough I do better with the ones that have 30 rounds

Then again Im also the person who uses shotguns as actual DPS tools on heartbreaker instead of just for building stacks

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i've done the ACS-12 build up stacks for strikers and i've never really liked it, but i do see it works

[onyx sage]

that's not unusual

shotguns are busted

[mighty plume]

I just find with heartbreakers stacking damage and bonus armor which im told doesnt remove the vigilance buff if the bonus armor takes damage so much better than hunter's fury, the thing made for shotguns

[rich cosmos]

Tbf thats because shotguns are actually good with enough damage stacked

[cerulean smelt]

i'd be tempted to use that glue ro thorn with strikers to see how it performs

[onyx sage]

it just has a bonus for shotguns but you can use it with anything

[rich cosmos]

Heartbreaker might as well be the acs12 build

[onyx sage]

you can use hunter's fury with pistols

[worn mango]

Kingbreaker/ACS do be fun though

[mighty plume]

Yeah I just feel like im wasting the buffs from the sets by not using the weapons for it

[worn mango]

I now have the rock n roll though so that extra 10 rounds go brr

[onyx sage]

the smg/shotgun bonus is relatively minor

compared to the 4p bonus

[mighty plume]

but damn if heartbreaker with a super 90 and flatine isnt just so fun and kinda effective ngl

[onyx sage]

try six12 flatline

[mighty plume]

I want to havent had a good one drop for me yet but im hoping

I did countdown a bunch but keep getting mops

[onyx sage]

get one with flatline, one with pummel, one with brazen

[mighty plume]

Which, no dis on the mop its saved me a bunch but I need dtoc

[cerulean smelt]

mops should be strong no? i mean you lose one attribute for armor on kill

[onyx sage]

10% is a big bonus to not have

[rich cosmos]

Tbf scorpio would be better because as long as one pellet hits the head you get another 2 to 3 shots off while they are still marked

[onyx sage]

scorpio can't equip laser

[rich cosmos]

Hence the statement about pellet hitting head

[onyx sage]

can't always have targets with heads

[mighty plume]

The more I play this game the more I love shotguns and the more I hate SMGS which is weird considering how I play most shooters lol

but backfire seems fun if you got the build for it

[rich cosmos]

I use banshee pulse on gunner for my heartbreaker build

[cerulean smelt]

if you don't have oreo yet, maybe that'll get you to go back XD

[mighty plume]

I dont have Oreo but I want it

[rich cosmos]

Oreo 💤

[mighty plume]

I feel like Oreo is the same as st elmos no? the exotic trait itself is whatever but the sheer stats of the gun make it powerhouse

[onyx sage]

it kind of is but unlike elmo, oreo is the top of its class

[cerulean smelt]

i can't drop it off my striker build atm :/

[rich cosmos]

Its elmos but even more extreme, almost nothing perk, stupidity high stats on a good gun

[hexed steppe]

look into m1a cqb. higher dps than classic

[onyx sage]

i did tell him that too

[cerulean smelt]

yes rotors did

[mighty plume]

Mhmm will give them both a shot

[worn mango]

Yeah I need to get the oreo too, I haven't done any raid or incursion yet though lol

[mighty plume]

I'm just trying to find a mix of what I like + whats effective

because i realized that... I really dont like strikers at all I prefer just my normal high end build

but I uhh... accidently got rid of it by accidently killing my gift backpack.... it still hurts

[rich cosmos]

Raids really aren’t worth unless you REALLY want the exotics and the incursion is some of the best content in the game imo (aside from just being a damage check)

[cerulean smelt]

i would love to come up with an off meta build that someone looks at it and scratches their head. run it and be like OMG!

[worn mango]

I know I have the build to do it, pretty much optimized striker with multiple variants. It's just the technique to doing it is all

[mighty plume]

FR but I feel like the game has been around so long all the best stuff has been found out and your expected to run it

[rich cosmos]

Good lord

[onyx sage]

if you get carries you just have to worry about ad clearing

[mighty plume]

I saw a bluescreen + negotiators dilemma build that I was told to try since I might like it

[onyx sage]

it's only expected in group activities tbh. in solo you can just mess around

cuz in group you don't want to waste anyone's time

[worn mango]

Yeah I've seen. Usually 3 DPS and 1 healer, big stack strikers with elmo, pretty standard stuff

[mighty plume]

Oh i do so much dumb stuff in solo like running fire exclipse protocol

[onyx sage]

fire eclipse is top tier

[cerulean smelt]

don't tempt me. 3 improvised, whatever chest and backpack with Chillout Mask 🤔

[mighty plume]

wait am I stupid

People told me not to run it

[worn mango]

I have a two improvised scorpio build that I picked up, I love it lol

[onyx sage]

not in groups

more like, not in legendary and raids and serious stuff

but in heroic it's completely fine

[mighty plume]

I maxed out a Pyromaniac because I like just shooting one fire chem and then blasting the room full of flailing enemies

ooooh ok

Oh does that have to do with certain pulses too? I heard you dont wanna run heartbreaker for some stuff too cause itll mess up some headshot/sniper builds

[onyx sage]

if you hold your shotgun while dealing fire damage you will deal more fire damage btw

[cerulean smelt]

when exuro came out i was like yes we get our firecrest back! but was disappointed

[mighty plume]

what

[onyx sage]

yeah it does, you'll mess up other people's achilles strats

[onyx sage]

your shotgun has dta, and fire damage takes dta into account

your weapon stats when equipped (keyword being when equipped) will matter not just for weapon damage but other damage sources too

[hexed steppe]

fair, i didnt see that before suggesting 🍻

[mighty plume]

Ok so kinda like sledgehammer I need to have said weapon equipped for it to take effect

[rich cosmos]

We should get a firefly based exotic

[onyx sage]

sledge is different, if you're using the incendiary for example the damage happens over a period of time, while the enemy is burning from that damage you can swap into the sledge weapon and back out to apply sledge

you don't have to hold the sledge gun the entire time

[cerulean smelt]

oh i'd love to see more skill exotic weapons or gears in game

[worn mango]

Countdown heli enemies with fire nade and lefty is so satisfying

[cerulean smelt]

you know like you mark them, the pull out the skill in question and it does something to it

i would love a cluster mine that when it hits their target they split into more clusters 🤔 that would make things fun

[rich cosmos]

Tbf bluescreen is great for that but its an lmg, which probably throws people off

[mighty plume]

Theres so much about this game I need to learn...

[versed summit]

Always 🙂

[mighty plume]

Well for the time being I will also ask I know there are DZ specific drops(actual pain) and backreading my brain fried itself out of fear for a second but umm

is Oreo Raid only?

[cerulean smelt]

it's incursion only

i'm sure people have it down to a science. you could probably run a striker build in it and get carried literally and depends how they handle it can walk way with it on first clear

[mighty plume]

I have no clue what Incursion is so time for me to do some research but thank you

I do eventually want to try and build around Oreo

[cerulean smelt]

saw someone post a video of Ongoing Directive + Oreo build of some sort. i was kind of like eh?

apparently it can keep up with striker damage, in fact increases the damage

[worn mango]

I still wanna do Hunter's Fury and Oreo just because SMG dedicated build seems fun

[onyx sage]

not really

[red island]

Nothing can keep up with striker damage

Tbh

Also vs mech units striker shine

Not ongoing directive

[tulip charm]

I mean striker is just simple and effective

Iirc Nego can technically out dps it but thats too much work and effort for a game like this.

[cerulean smelt]

Nego to me is like the Busy Little Bee. do i want to shoot and mark targets wehn i cahn possibly take out more targets going 1 by 1?

though i do like the. let me mark a few, oh a chunga perfect i'll focus chunga and watch the others die (> <)

like i'm debating. can i use nego, clutch and oreo and effectively become immortal temporarily?

3 or 5 targets and i'm critting. killing them. healing my armor O_O

[brave comet]

What is a good SMG build? I'm new to Division. Just hit 40 a couple hours ago. I saw a video about Hunter's Fury. Any advice?

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury is a great choice, as it encourages you to stay close, aka: within the optimal range for SMG's.
There's a list of meta builds 📌 pinned in this channel, under "spreadsheet 2".

[brave comet]

And does it matter if I get the set from Global Hard or Heroic?

[hazy steeple]

Playing on Challenging or above will help you out a lot, since it only lets enemies drop gold/gearset/exotic loot.
Try to get to a place where Challenging is your "base difficulty" of sorts.

If you're struggling to farm it out, you can always just run some Challenging Countdown with the TL (Targeted Loot) set to Hunters Fury.
Just make sure you follow the build and you'll be 100% fine.

[brave comet]

Cool! Thank you!

[zenith copper]

Anyone know a good way to optimize gear and farm max level gear mods? I'm a solo player and am trying to get a sniper build

[hazy steeple]

Unfortunately for the solo players out there, Countdown remains the best option for farming gear.
Matchmake for it on Challenging, pick the right TL that you need, and you'll be done in a few runs.

[placid latch]

I'll add that the 2nd option is to play activity in the desired loot zone (you can reset the map if you want). For exemple, taking a control point quickly allow you to get 3 desired loot peer CP.

Else Summit can be a good spot

[zenith copper]

What's TL?

[hazy steeple]

Targeted Loot, you can choose it when you're in Summit/Countdown.

[zenith copper]

I'm a returning player who hasnt played since 2019

[placid latch]

TL = Target Loot

Welcome back

[zenith copper]

Thank you

[zenith copper]

Summit, what difficulty do I play? I have a white death hitting at 5m average per shot. Still need to get the chainkiller piece and a bunch of mods, and optimize my gear

[placid latch]

Depend on your level skill

The main point about chainkiller is to get the talent chest

You can have it on other gear

[zenith copper]

I'm tryna get the perfect headhunter talent

[zenith copper]

Can't really describe my skil level but managed to get to loop 26 decent solo if that says anything

[hazy steeple]

No matter what your skill is: do not play below Challenging as soon as you are able. Challenging and above is where enemies only drop gold/gearset/exotic loot, any other colour is 100% worthless to you.

Since you haven't played since pre-WONY, your first step is going to be hitting Lvl 40.

[zenith copper]

I'm already level 40

[placid latch]

You should be able to play on Heroic then

[zenith copper]

I have some gear but I don't have a proper build

[zenith copper]

👍

[hazy steeple]

Hol up, there's a jump between "haven't played since 2019" and "you should be able to play Heroic".

[zenith copper]

I played div 1 so I'm not awful at div 2 lmao

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is very different to div1 in a lot of ways, especially how builds work.

Do not rush, get your build working and start at Challenging. Once it is and you know more about the game in 2024, the 📌 pinned builds will help you through Heroic.

[zenith copper]

Yeah I know, that's why I'm asking for advice. As for skill though, I'm not bad

[placid latch]

Him being able to play on loop 26 in descent is proof that he can be versatile and manage tight/tough fight

[hazy steeple]

"i havent played since 2019" is a far cry from playing in loop 26 of descent.

Why even mention 2019?

You know what, doesn't matter. Follow the guides and you'll be fine.

[zenith copper]

Cause I played the game when it first came out on a different account which was my parents account

[hazy steeple]

Descent didn't exist in 2019.

[zenith copper]

I haven't touched the game much since last month

[zenith copper]

I mean i started playing last month

[hazy steeple]

That would've been good info for me to have before i spent all this time trying to help a newbie.

[zenith copper]

Yeah my bad, should've said that earlier. I'm not great at wording stuff

[placid latch]

You are playing on Playstation saddly

Else I would have took you on Heroic summit in order to help you loot

By the way, what's your SHD level ?

[zenith copper]

I'll check it out tomorrow. I'll see how I do on heroic

[zenith copper]

300-ish?

[placid latch]

Taking into account your level, did you unlock all the schema ?

I mean the one you get when completing a Control Point.

[zenith copper]

Schematics? Don't think so

[placid latch]

Then you are better to farm those control point

[hazy steeple]

The Blueprints you get from completing the CP's are very useful, it's worth farming them out.
Although: in a few weeks' there's going to be a 5x XP event on, that will last for 1000 levels. That's not a typo.

[placid latch]

You will get more exp and ressource than in the Summit as solo player

1000 level ??

[zenith copper]

Does it matter what difficulty i do the CP on?

Also do I clear a control point then relinquish, then keep farming that same point, or do I take every other one then relinquish them all?

[hazy steeple]

Challenging/Heroic will give you 1 bp each time, Heroic also has Named Enemies.

[placid latch]

The control point must be level 4

[hazy steeple]

Nope! Lvl 3 or 4 is the same.

[placid latch]

do the activity around in order to raise it's level

[placid latch]

Oh really

[zenith copper]

Does heroic give you more useful items compared to challenging or is it just tougher enemies

[placid latch]

More item drop

[hazy steeple]

Again, no.

It will give you more Named Items, but not more loot overall.

The way difficulty works in div2 is that the higher it is, the better "worse possible rolls" your loot can get.
So you can get maxed out gear on Chall, but you're more likely to get it on Heroic, on average.

[placid latch]

But as the enemie get more difficult that can slow your progress

[zenith copper]

So I'm just better off farmimg challenging control points if I'm strictly going for schematics?

[hazy steeple]

Honestly yeah.

Once you can speed through Heroic, swap to that. But it depends wildly.

[placid latch]

There is time to take into account

[hazy steeple]

Hence the "speed through" part.

[placid latch]

You are probably playing a Hot Shot build

[zenith copper]

Correct

[placid latch]

Hitting 5 M is enough to one shot a red and maybe a purple

[hazy steeple]

Out of curiosity, 3pc or 4pc?

[zenith copper]

Only gear piece I'm missing is the chainkiller vest

[zenith copper]

4

[placid latch]

You are then stack enough with the head hunter talent

You can probably farm really quickly those CP on Heroic

I'm also using a hot shot build and I do those CP under 5 min

[zenith copper]

How hard are you hitting

[hazy steeple]

3pc can be as fast or faster, but it depends on the gun you are using with it.
srs/sr-1 will be your highest dps on a 3pc, if you don't miss then probably a Model 700 would overtake it on a 4, but only just.

[zenith copper]

I'm using a white death with determined

[hazy steeple]

Ah, yeah White Death has been kinda overtaken, since the other MMR's got buffed.

[placid latch]

Yeah just recently though

White Death are enough at the moment

if you got a SR-1 or a Model 700 better, you can swap out

[zenith copper]

My main focus is getting my gear pieces maxed out. The white death is my go-to gun at the moment

[placid latch]

I'm currently hitting around 9/10 M

Using White Death

[zenith copper]

Yeah I'm only doing half that

[placid latch]

When I was hitting 5 M, I just started hitting red guys first

[zenith copper]

Yup that's my plan

[hazy steeple]

What brand are you using for the backpack?

[zenith copper]

https://youtu.be/rfI-Ic8LD20?si=bdIKUUJcsQiB1XC6 this is the build I'm going for

[zenith copper]

Airaldi

[hazy steeple]

Okay the youtube logo there made me wince, but NGN is actually decent so it's fine.

[placid latch]

I just looked over the build

It decent

[zenith copper]

How's he hitting at 30m?

[hazy steeple]

It's just the generic one Raucey made, overall.
If you want a deeper look at it, the 📌 spreadsheet 2 has a "sniper setups" section with the full breakdown.

[placid latch]

You need to stack

You kill 1 red then you have enough damage to one tap a purple which then allow you to one tap yellow

At your level, you will probably hit around 20 M

which is plenty enough

[zenith copper]

Where's the damage coming from though. Is it the chainkiller piece?

[placid latch]

The talent: Perfect Head Hunter or just Head Hunter

[hazy steeple]

Oh and make sure that if you can, hit 100% stability.
On an MMR, it means the bullet has 0 chance to miss, so whatever the crosshair is on, it'll hit.

that includes blind firing from cover, hilariously.

[zenith copper]

Ah, that's how stability works

[hazy steeple]

On other guns: no. Just on MMR's.

[placid latch]

This is the tips for sniper build on legendary

[zenith copper]

Makes sense

[placid latch]

If you drop a chest with head Hunter, extract the talent in the library

[zenith copper]

How do you get 100% stability?

Do you sacrifice anything in the process?

[placid latch]

You can then change that talent in the desired brand

[placid latch]

less damage overall

[hazy steeple]

I mean, not really.
You have a secondary stat that's not HSD, and you don't need crit.

[placid latch]

but that's completly irrelevant for a MMR's build

[hazy steeple]

So not less damage.

1% in Weapon Handling gives you equal 1% in Stability/Accuracy/Reload/Swap-speed, so put some of those on the build where you can.

also: gun mods.

oh and you get 10% from the SHD Watch.

[zenith copper]

Alright thanks for the advice. How do you optimize gear and farm max gear mods?

[placid latch]

gear mod are a nice bonus

but having the right piece with the right stat optimized come first

[zenith copper]

Yeah how do i optimize gear

[hazy steeple]

You get near perfect gear, then optimise it.

If something isn't 80% perfect to begin with, farm something better.

You'll save a LOT of time following that rule.

[placid latch]

Agreed

[zenith copper]

How do you optimise

[placid latch]

For exemple, for the Hot Shot piece, just wait to have a max desired roll

[placid latch]

I recommand that you read/watch #new-player-resources

[zenith copper]

Ty

@placid latch @hazy steeple Thanks for the help

[proper wadi]

Can someone recommend a Non Skill DPS Build for Legendary Solo/Coop

[worn mango]

Check out Patrick Wolf on YT, I've been liking some of his builds and he does stuff specifically for Legendary and such

And he works with meta and non-meta

[placid latch]

Kamikazvondoom too

The other option are Hardcore build

Add in legendary and you should be strong by yourself

[worn mango]

A big thing with legendary that I've seen is running survivalist and then running multiple mods of protection from elites since so many if not all enemies are elite

[placid latch]

The other point is also: easy to use

In hardcore, you absolutly don't want to die

So, you are playing safe and can handle almost any brunt of damage

At least leaving barely alive so you can come back

[worn mango]

@proper wadi these are two builds that I've grabbed, crazy survivability and still puts down nice damage

Lefty + fire grenade for boss mobs on each build, catharsis for healing and damage, protection from elites as mods on everything, armor core and then crit damage/chance depending on weapons

[placid latch]

The knee pad are prayer ?

[worn mango]

They are improvised

Gives you the two attributes plus the gear mod

So these have armor, crit damage, crit chance and protection from elites

[placid latch]

Oh yeah

Didn't see the mod

[worn mango]

And then in the scorpio builds it's the gloves too

[placid latch]

The only downside from Carthasis is your need to be static in order to get heal

[worn mango]

For sure, but with the shield and the PFE you can still tank, you'll typically heal faster than you'll take damage

But very situation dependent of where you are and your positioning

[proper wadi]

thank you

[cyan drift]

Countdown vendor is good this week. Otherwise, nothing good anywhere.

[worn mango]

I've never even heard of the Virginian before lol

[cyan drift]

rollable The Gift at DZS but we just had a good one from the countdown vendor, so...

Virginian is one of the best fun-guns in the game, but the talent is RNG

[worn mango]

Yeah I just saw that

I've been trying the hot shot/determined/headhunter shenanigans so it doesn't fit my narrative lol

[cyan drift]

that'll ruin every other sniper build you ever use

[shy willow]

Good time to get the Virginian proficient

[worn mango]

I'm strictly getting used to it for farming

I'm an AR/SMG guy at heart so I don't think I'd ever legit use a sniper build

Yeah I'm definitely gonna be buying one to run as a secondary to get proficiency

[hexed steppe]

sniping can be pretty fun, especially if you use a mortar to do the sniping

[red island]

its not a great weapon, but its fun

[worn mango]

Was it PVP exclusive?

[red island]

dz exclusive

[worn mango]

Yeah that's what I figured

[red island]

but countdown vendor can sell them too

[worn mango]

Yeah I've been seeing that recently

[red island]

with dz vendors too

[worn mango]

I finally got a RnR yesterday from named cache. I've played a bit of DZ but some peoples movement in there makes my brain hurt lol

[shy willow]

[onyx sage]

i have an explosive build that uses a special pistol

[shy willow]

But what if you don't hit your headshots sir

[worn mango]

I'm learning that now with this build. For some reason I feel like I'm on target but my shot just veers right or left

I must be awful lol

[hexed steppe]

if its mmr build add some stability mods, and weapon handling rolls. at 100% stability your scope wont move when you ads

[worn mango]

Thanks. I still don't have the White Death yet, just messing around with M700 Carbon for now until I roll a good one

[onyx sage]

you don't need the white death. the top ones you should get are model 700/m700 carbon (which you have)/any srs family mmrs/sr-1.

[shy willow]

White death unfortunately dead

[hexed steppe]

carbon is solid i use that or sr1 . the extra hsd on white death doesnt make up for the base damage buff the other snipers got

[worn mango]

Oh interesting, good comms

[hazy steeple]

Basically: Mag Reload is superior to one round at a time.
So whichever of them you pick, make sure it has that.

[worn mango]

Yeah, the modern marksman rifles then essentially

Not many single chambered weapons anymore in rotation

One shotting named heroic control points leaders is so satisfying

I gotta jump back into Countdown to get some options though. I'm guessing you still want damage out of cover as the third roll?

[cyan drift]

the wooden M700 would be so good if it wasn't the best gun to use with protected reload

because it takes forever

[hazy steeple]

Dtooc will pretty much always be the best 3rd option, yeah. Hopefully future tweaks change that.

[worn mango]

Think they're going to make other things more valuable?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say depends what they do in Div 3

[hazy steeple]

To paraphrase a previous livestream: "we know dtooc is the correct choice, we're looking into it".

[worn mango]

Interesting

[cerulean smelt]

would be intersting if they go for a more modular approach in Div 3 when it comes to weapons

[placid latch]

Would also be a nightmare to calibrate

On that point IA could greatly help in the balancing though

Training IA with all possibility of build in order to see the impact of the change

[red island]

ai doesnt understand balance or fun

[hazy steeple]

Ooh that's what they were trying to say. I've taken 5 minutes to try and figure out what IA was.

[cerulean smelt]

same here. was thinking is that the code name for Anna in game?

[placid latch]

It's not about balance or fun. It's about testing the limit of all the possibility and balance out

That way it would possible to munch down enormous possibility and data

[hazy steeple]

I look forward to every gun having weird hands.

[red island]

you dont need ai for that tho

there isnt endless data

its pretty straight forward even

litterally an excel sheet would be enough

[placid latch]

Or not actually

[red island]

yes it is, thats how eve online works stuff

and its much more deep than div 2

[hazy steeple]

If Warframe's absolute mess can be worked out via a fan wiki, a spreadsheet should be fine for div2.

[red island]

definitely

[placid latch]

I never played Eve Online (only heard of) but you could say it's balanced ?

[red island]

idk why people wanna use ai for everything when its not needed and not even good at it

[red island]

yes ?

also what people call ai isnt ai

its llm at best

it doesnt understand what you feed it, it just look at patterns

[urban latch]

Division builds are fundamentally based in math. We can calculate the difference between adding a ceska vs grupo vs soklov/fenris on a build. We don't need AI for any of that.

And for figuring out best use cases and situational things, AI is trash at that compared to a human brain. AI isn't magic, it's good at particular things and trash at others

[placid latch]

I don't know how to express properly what I'm thinking

[urban latch]

What kind of tasks are you looking for it to do?

[placid latch]

When the number of combinaison is so big that an excel sheet doesn't express properly all the combinaison

[red island]

and more specifically, what task that cant be done by a human with a calculator and an excel sheet

[red island]

div 2 def isnt too big for that, otherwise servers wouldnt handle it

thats why builds and data sheet are aviable on this discord

[placid latch]

But we were talking about Div 3

[red island]

div 3 wont be that different

[placid latch]

And the potential increase in the modification you could make with your gun

[red island]

look at borderlands 2, it had billions of gun combination with different talents/stats/maker/etc, it was still easy to handle

[urban latch]

So are you talking about figuring out something like what build would be good/best in a particular situation?

[red island]

and we dont need ai for borderlands, we dont need for something as simple as the division

again, its not real ai either, its llm, it doesnt understand what you feed it

it just spit out what it think you wants as an answer

you can easily make it fail at basic maths

[placid latch]

Actually, it was more about to test all the different combinaison

[hazy steeple]

There's been more than a few cases where AI both gives the wrong answer, and is very confident that it's right.

[red island]

or ask him to say how many of a letter is in a word, and it will just guess

[urban latch]

Combinations of what

[red island]

the worst offender was microsoft ai that litterally gaslit the user and then told them to say they were sorry for contradicting the ai or they would be forced out of the service lmao

what a wild ride it was

and it was not even intentionnal for the user

[placid latch]

For exemple, it's used in science for determining which would be the most suitable material to make a solid battery

[red island]

ai doesnt understand that

[placid latch]

It's not about making it understand it

[red island]

the one we have at the moment at least

[red island]

then what do you want it to do ?

[placid latch]

It's about revelating the most perkfull

[urban latch]

I think your really buying into the AI propaganda/marketing that's vastly overselling what it can do

[red island]

yeah i think so too

[placid latch]

Actually no

[red island]

then it need to udnerstand it, and it cant

[placid latch]

It's really used in science

[red island]

not the way you think it is

[placid latch]

Damn it

[urban latch]

It really isn't

[placid latch]

stop being so high

[red island]

especially stuff like chat gpt are godamn awfull at that

[placid latch]

I'm not talking about chatgpt

[red island]

but we dont know what you're tlaking about, you just say ai and nothing else

[placid latch]

I'm talking about using it as a big testing machin

[urban latch]

It's used by students who don't want to write papers and people who create fake pictures to truck boomers who can't spot the difference. That's the actual main use cases

[hazy steeple]

@placid latch Do you mean as a sort of "automatic calculator"?

[red island]

testing what ? combinations of items ? an excel sheet can do that much better and it doesnt get it wrong

[placid latch]

I have a vid but in french

[red island]

im french, send it to me

[placid latch]

I need to recover it

[red island]

👀

[hazy steeple]

I said it, let's go back to build-advice now though.

[solar sable]

6pc 5.11

[red island]

no

[solar sable]

lol

[red island]

go back to hell u satan

[placid latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN226SmqN1g @red island

https://www.hauts-de-france.cnrs.fr/fr/cnrsinfo/lintelligence-artificielle-au-service-des-batteries

If it can help

IA is used as a screener

[hazy steeple]

2 things.

1. it's AI. IA is not the right way around. It's really confusing to read.

[placid latch]

Yeah sorry

[hazy steeple]

2. this is build advice for div2, you're welcome to continue this conversation but let's take it to #off-topic-discussions or PM's.

[red island]

yeah in french the acronym is reversed

cause why not xd

[violet smelt]

Hi. What is the purpose of health in this game?
I tried stacking it with gila guard, ceska etc and it seems I still easily go down once my armor breaks

[mint axle]

None

[onyx sage]

it makes you healthy

[mint axle]

It's only purpose is let you know that you armor is gone so you try to take cover and restore your armor.