td2-build-advice

[half scroll]

hows overlord feel?

[tulip charm]

idk I just put it since 32% movement debuff plus bleed sounds pretty cancer

[red island]

it is

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgzCBsIEwgjCADM1L1s0gXADnFLERiVltmAJwHRxxjSlPkxzQRzNfkCs9qnMtxLYALNQgpBwocmwxgKUQnjR4lNZVDr866k2wyuh2cOzATRy6eRA

Chest for you is chc/hazpro

So don't run the chc mod that I had

[tulip charm]

xd

[tulip charm]

Oh shit

Good looking

[magic pilot]

Solid

[red island]

why u go full hazpro ?

[tulip charm]

Because you can?

Also status effect is cancer in pvp

[wise swallow]

How does it compare to headshot

Not big horn

Ik headshot is gonna be better but I wanna know how much better

[red island]

i mean i have a 100% hazpro build but i dont think its any good

[wise swallow]

Haz pro headshot is very strong

Regen and P efficient + immunity and fairly good dmg

[magic pilot]

Hsd you can run all the multipliers

So it'll be a lot stronger, but I'd only run it at 90% haz

[wise swallow]

Ik that

I want you to test it cuz my lazy ass ain’t farming it unless Ik it’s worth

[hexed steppe]

not max rolled, deconstruct for mats /s

[tulip charm]

D:

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtALGAMbgzDJsXLSgXPA7JMA2OMRXVM9ZDARnCkIWIA4LzWMIqwq6jWWX2hCLHr8+bCAE48scOLGVaxXN0TdgXCFG6E28-Rn1jDhhZiMogA]

[gentle lichen]

You can go 2 ceska instead of cav and gain 10% chc on top of the hazpro.
Sure it's a headshot build but it's there

[echo quail]

I need a tank build can anybody help me plz?

Fyi I am on iOS

[red island]

there is a pinned message with builds

[hazy steeple]

Generally, you don't want an outright "tank" build, but more of a tank/dps hybrid.

[neat iris]

OD-set.... havent played around with it very much.... what would be a good build for it?

[magic pilot]

PGC, gift, carnage rolled chc. Full red with chd rolled and chd mods

I run gunner for aok and banshee pulse, other skill is foam

[neat iris]

PGC?

[junior surge]

Perfect glass cannon, i.e. the Sacrifice

[pastel crane]

I'm gonna need to write up a list of abbreviations for Div 2 builds

[wise swallow]

youll just remember them over time

their all pretty logical so youll get it

[stiff jasper]

No 2 cavalier , wrong math

If you make 100, change (yaahl + 2 cav) to 3 UG

[stiff jasper]

It's not worthy to use 2 cav without hazard roll on both
2 piece cav is 30% but you lost 2 attributes = 20%
=10% by 2 brand space = 5%/brand

[wise swallow]

that build was made to be easy to farm

3 uzina is not much better

AOK is useless

so really all you gain is the 5% armour

[rich lotus]

I like AOK 😦

[wise swallow]

so for a cheap easy to farm build no reason to go through uzina hassle

[stiff jasper]

Yes but 5% for free (and useless aok)
It always better if people actually want to involve pvp

[magic pilot]

So the uzina is bis but we just didn't use the yaahl

That's nice

[stiff jasper]

Although I am not fan of 100, but math comfortable

[magic pilot]

True

[gentle lichen]

I like 100 on burn only.
Other statuses can be at 90 without worry

[wise swallow]

its for free but harder to farm. uzina is better but aslong as this works to a very similar degree im okay with it

I would have liked a build like that when i started

too lazy to farm

[wise swallow]

me neither. 80 is good enough

you really do not need anymore

Tho i have played in a few servers where there was 4-5 people using fire

[gentle lichen]

Being able to counter iron lung fire when trading is pretty essential to me

Taking your aim off for a split second due to fire can mean the loss

[wise swallow]

i mean you should be aware that its an iron lung and not directly face trade with it

thats why i say its not needed

[jagged marlin]

PVP is always riddled with some sort of haz, shock rounds, shocker punches, plenty of foam, infinite amounts of fire. It's always a high reward imo

For me mostly it's just the fact

That you can get foamed out of nowhere

[echo quail]

Helpp

[solar sable]

On what?

[bronze peak]

Anyone got any build ideas for the True Patriot gear set?

[shy willow]

Stash build

[red island]

Yes it's called de deconstruct

[mint axle]

4 TP, 1 backpack with opportunistic and a chest with vanguard.
I'm out of ideas for this gear set to be honest

[red island]

i think this gear is running out of being useful at all

[mint axle]

System Corruption: first time buddy?

[red island]

haha

[karmic moss]

whats better for striker build striker chest grupo knee pads or grupo chest and striker kneepads

best skills to run with a striker build any a clue

[red island]

that depends your playstyle/team/enemy/mission/difficulty

the striker chest is good if you fight for extended period of time

[karmic moss]

yeah but i feel i dont have damage like others have

[red island]

the grupo chest is good is you got a talent to synergize with your team

[karmic moss]

and i am strugeling with skills so hard and i have obliterate on chest

[red island]

obliterate is good if you have enough chc

for skills, depends what your team is running

if you are running pulse, spotter chest can be good too

rez hive is always good otherwise

[karmic moss]

53.1 crit chance and 145.6 crit damage plus i am looking what is like most used for striker builds

[red island]

then grupo chest is better imo

[karmic moss]

bcs hive isent working for me drone dose not give enough armor and shield breaks ez

[red island]

rez hive + pulse is always ok

foam launcher can be good too

decoy can be ok

juste take utility skills basically

you wont have damage or tanking on skills with striker

[karmic moss]

and what do i take from like pulse

[red island]

wym u take from ?

[karmic moss]

like in pulse you can choose difrent ones

and in hive to and stuff

[red island]

juste the base one

hive you take the rez

[karmic moss]

the scanner one

not like jammer one ?

[red island]

yes, the first one

[karmic moss]

thought its better to get banshee one other thinkg i woud like to know best tactian thing i choose gunner demo fire or sniper

[red island]

gunner

for aok

[karmic moss]

aok?

[red island]

armor on kill

gunner gives you 10%

[karmic moss]

what kinda mods are best to get in pulse and revve hive

sorry for alot of questions

[red island]

for pulse, the gunner mods, for rez hive you dont care, you use it to rez yourself when you go down

[karmic moss]

what do i put in vanity skill slot ?

[red island]

vanity is for skin

[karmic moss]

oh thats why i dont have none

[red island]

only some skill have skins

they were supposed to make more but game was not selling enough

[karmic moss]

this pulse dosent help me survive more

[red island]

it gives you intel, to help you make better decisions

also if you run spotter or your team does its more damage

[karmic moss]

whats the spotter thing

[red island]

chest talent

+15% damage to pulsed target

+20% on named chest

[karmic moss]

how do i do overdrive

[red island]

overdrive ?

you mean overcharge ?

[karmic moss]

yeah

[red island]

overcharge = triggered by some talents on gears

usually requires you to be a skill tier 6 already

[karmic moss]

i havenone how do i tier up

[red island]

you get gear with skill tier

but if you do that you lose damage on guns

[karmic moss]

what shoud i put on foam laubncher

[red island]

on your gear there is core stat, either % weapon damage, armor, or skill tier

it doesnt matter what you put on it, you're on striker, not skill build

[karmic moss]

evrything feels useless

[red island]

thats cause you're building for guns, not for skills

so you rely on your guns, not skills

if you wanna play on your skills, you wont have damage on guns

[karmic moss]

yeah but i am not surviving

[red island]

then you need to build armor

or play safer

[karmic moss]

but i am like the rush type a player is ther not a skill i coud use to give me more armor

like drones or somthing

[red island]

man, i told u, if you want skills to be effective, you need skill tier, and if you get skill tier, your weapons do less damage

you have to make a choice, either damage on gun, armor, or effective skills

you cant have it all

[karmic moss]

dude its just a question how man just dont reply anymore then jees

snapping at people like that foir shurre not beuno

[red island]

i aint snapping, im explaining to you how it works

[bright raptor]

I see only one person getting mad at good faith attempts to explain the game to them

[red island]

you're asking the same question on repeat, i answered the same thing over and over

[karmic moss]

i just asked if there is any mods i can put in lioke a drone to get more armor or somthing and you went at me for asking not good

[red island]

i didnt went at you

i said it doesnt matter what you put, your skills wont do anything different

[vestal ibex]

If you are running a DPS build with little to no skill tiers think of skills as utility perks and nothing more.

[red island]

does the improvised version of gear bring any benefit anymore ?

[onyx sage]

gloves, holster, kneepads give an extra mod slot

useful for pfe

[red island]

yeah but not the rest so not great

[urban latch]

Crusader shield and revive hives are a staple for a reason on dps builds. One thing you can do is run technician for a free skill tier, which will give the shield an extra 40% health. If you want a quick boost to survivability running memento is the easiest gear piece to do that since the armor core and skill core will both count towards the shields skill tiers. Running memento and technician with the rest red cores will give you a T3 shield which is fairly strong.

[versed summit]

The rest are literally just for trolling tbh

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot Nego is still viable cuz I remember it being extremely toxic early on wony

[tawdry flare]

Weaker than 5.11 due to 3 more mod slots

[magic pilot]

Nego is good yea?

[urban latch]

In pvp? It used to be that there was no range limit, so people would tag at a distance then run away and kill the player by shooting ads. A range limit in pvp was put in awhile ago so I don't think anyone really runs nego in pvp anymore

[tulip charm]

Yeah

Before the nerf there was no limit on distance but one its 15m from the marked guy

[red island]

yeah thats the first thing i noticed on nego and i knew it would be busted on pvp

cause you just tag someone and then you dont care if they get into cover, you melt them by proxy

[tulip charm]

😛

[tulip charm]

Yeah Im just remembering all the builds from before

[shy willow]

all I know is 6p nomad

[shell condor]

🤗

[tulip charm]

@stiff jasper Are you still on?

Just to ask about the healer build.

[stiff jasper]

Ok, any questions ?

[tulip charm]

What would you replace swayers for

[finite bluff]

is ninja backpack good?

[red island]

depends on the build

[finite bluff]

Ill just keep it in my storage then.

[red island]

in any case if you drop a named item or exotic, keep it until you find the same but better

[stiff jasper]

I guess you asking about kit heal right?

[red island]

you never know when you might need it

[tulip charm]

Yes

[finite bluff]

alr got coyotes (twice)))

[stiff jasper]

Acosta bag, or catharsis

[tulip charm]

Thank you. Also, Do you have any experience building Cavalier?

[stiff jasper]

I haven't build cavalier because no build slot

But I can explain you if you have question

[tulip charm]

Oh I see. I was gonna make one with tradigrade but idk if I should running with efficient instead.

[stiff jasper]

Efficient are universal because it give heal to team, and it don't scale with yellow
If your team are crispy like 0-3 0-4 blue core then efficient are not suitable, in this case, tardigrade or vanguard would be better

[magic pilot]

Tardi/yaahl or p efficient

[tulip charm]

Ah so it depends on the team composition. A full red would more benefit from tarigrade/vanguard compared efficent.

[finite bluff]

why do I keep getting hollow point ammo?

[tulip charm]

Someone is running Ongoing Directive.

[finite bluff]

brah.

wish I could disable it overruning my shock rounds

[tulip charm]

Oh right yaahl for the haz pro

[stiff jasper]

Yes

[rich cosmos]

The hollowpoint rounds are better in this case

If anything its the shock rounds messing their build up

[finite bluff]

id honestly reather keep the ability to stun enemies out of cover so I can get extra damage off

[rich cosmos]

Meh

[finite bluff]

wait how is shock rounds messing up their builds.

[magic pilot]

The bleed ammo is 20% amp dmg

[magic pilot]

You really only need to get 80 so can probably do without yaahl

[red island]

bleed ammo is +20% damage + bonus damage to bleeding target

[finite bluff]

ohh.

my game just crashed due to that information.

[red island]

happen

[finite bluff]

btw is regulators bp from ih a chance from crate?

[magic pilot]

Regulus?

[finite bluff]

yeah regulus sorry

[magic pilot]

Its project locked

[lone blade]

to get weapon dmg on gloves, is there a set that has higher % Of dropping with it then others ? Been farming Countdown for So long..

[finite bluff]

do I get project after completing iron horse and opening the box or..

[magic pilot]

What brand?

[magic pilot]

After first completion you start the project

[finite bluff]

weird, Ive completed the iron horse but I dont see the project

[tulip charm]

Uh did you matchmake?

[finite bluff]

...oh

no I joined a group

[tulip charm]

Did you clear it on normal

[finite bluff]

yeah

[tulip charm]

Did you check the armory lady

[finite bluff]

yeah

[lone blade]

Im just trying to get max rolled Weapon damage, as core atribute for gloves. I am stuck at 14,9 on both striker gloves and hot shots.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[finite bluff]

I even checked the crate

maybe next week.

[stiff jasper]

@tulip charm You don't actually need yaahl, because you definitely have hazard rolls, 4 on cav and 30 from cav 2 piece and watch, it already 80, personally suggests 90 to prevent sledge from fire grenade

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

[magic pilot]

It doesn't drop from the crate you have a project for it

Unless you did matchmaking

[finite bluff]

Joined a group

not matchmaking, friend invite

[magic pilot]

Yes how exactly

Then you should have it

The project name is misleading

[finite bluff]

weirdly enough I did not

[tulip charm]

Today Im toxic.

[finite bluff]

bah, next week.

[finite bluff]

drone and decoy?

[tulip charm]

No its gonna be stinger and emp jammer

Because pvp

[magic pilot]

I'm telling you right now if you did it on the right difficulty you 100% have the project

[magic pilot]

Stinger and fire sticky better

What chest talent is that

[stiff jasper]

Mad bommer

[tulip charm]

Its changed to glass cannon

[lone blade]

got this on 2 pairs of gloves 😛 . Cant for the live of me find a Max rolled glove

[finite bluff]

I did it on normal

[tulip charm]

Its just for conflict

[versed summit]

Don’t those say hard or higher?

[tulip charm]

Cant let them use skills on me

[finite bluff]

no clue.

[tulip charm]

):<

[finite bluff]

what are in your opinion are best skills for PVE?

[tulip charm]

What skill tier

[finite bluff]

like raids, countdowns, general uses

[finite bluff]

full red

[onyx sage]

pve has so much content that it's hard to say

[magic pilot]

Decoy and emp sticky

[tulip charm]

Emp Stick, Decoy, Foam

[magic pilot]

For a dps build

[finite bluff]

wait how do you get EMP sticky?

[onyx sage]

jupiter manhunt

roosevelt island

[versed summit]

Revive hive and shield are the most noobie friendly skills

[finite bluff]

anything else I should get out of manhunts?

[onyx sage]

do the first 4 manhunts so you get all skills

[finite bluff]

alr

I mean already.

[versed summit]

Jupiter is probably the most worthwhile tho

[onyx sage]

(idk why you'd use repair trap but hey it's free)

[finite bluff]

global event?

[onyx sage]

what about it

[finite bluff]

kicked me out of countdown just now.

cant do a countdown right today 😔

[shell horizon]

Whats one of the best cheatpeices for damage?

Chest😭

[digital orchid]

just opened a named item cache. how lucky can u get lol

[shell horizon]

🫡

[magic pilot]

Depends on the build

[tulip charm]

@stiff jasper This is what I got so far

[red island]

i dont think you will heal much with this build tho

but it doesnt look bad

[tulip charm]

Its for pvp tho

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgAxgIx2Ezztd4gXAGwpiGYLIoQDsedO2+wMZGFqK4D9e+IJZZO24j6fBILDCeoxs1LkZSxrOX441WpTgQpiMnES1DADhn5Vl9ReVIblpEA - cavalir setup

[magic pilot]

Run a six-12 with brazen

[tulip charm]

Another six-12 🫠

[finite bluff]

riot foam is pretty good ngl

counters countdown hunters well

[mint axle]

132 crafted backpacks were sacrificed in the process

[tulip charm]

Dismantle. Didnt roll with weapon handling. /s

[mint axle]

I heard people saying that CHC is better than wh on sniper builds.

[urban latch]

MMR builds you'd generally rather have handling, but for one shot builds this is exactly what you want

[finite bluff]

peakness

[finite bluff]

I feel like it would be better on automatic weapons but crit never hurts anybody (besides what you point it at)

[versed summit]

Like Raucey said it’s just for one shot builds really. Crit is additive to HSD so you don’t get a lot out of adding a little bit of CHC over just taking weapon handling.

[finite bluff]

sorry again but what do you mean by HSD

[versed summit]

HeadShot Damage

[finite bluff]

wait what does weapon handling change, the recoil, spread and reload speed?

[versed summit]

Accuracy, stability, reload speed, & Weapon swap speed IIRC

[finite bluff]

I should put some weapon handling in my striker build instead of countless crits

also whats a good way to get 100% gear mods?

[versed summit]

No, it’s not worth it over the Crit on a striker build like that.

[mint axle]

Criticals are still better on striker builds, MMR are slower, that's why sometimes wh is better for snipers.

[finite bluff]

ah.

[lavish grail]

recommendations for an oxidizer/decoy build?

gear sets, specializations, exotic/named gear

@ me to reply

[urban latch]

Check the pinned google doc, there's a bunch of builds in there including an oxy build. Your exact setup will depend on what your trying to do though

[lavish grail]

i'm looking for like a combination run-and-gun/utility build? i like the misdirection of the decoy and the oxidizer's crowd control and ability to flush enemies out of cover or cut off flanking routes

[tulip charm]

Wouldn’t hf fit that?

[urban latch]

Oxy isn't really crowd control, and it's not really a run and gun build. It's more of if a "I know enemies are about to be here" build, and you nuke a spawn

[lavish grail]

whats good for crowd control and getting enemies out of cover/controlling movement?
that would go good with decoy

[urban latch]

I think for what your looking for you'd be better off running riot foam

Check the eclipse guide. The fire setup is one of the top speedrunning builds for missions, the foam setup is great as a pure CC build

[onyx sage]

also, it may be a good exercise to see for yourself how each status effect works

[red island]

yes cause oxi isnt status effect or crowd control

is a denial of area at best

[onyx sage]

it's best for destroying stationary targets or spawns. using it willy-nilly at best will make enemies dodge, which is like okay for a pseudo-CC effect but we can do way better than that

[tulip charm]

Watching a oxi nuking a spawn is one of the coolest thing in the game

[lavish grail]

where do i find the foam build

[onyx sage]

it's in the eclipse guide

which is in the pinned sheet here

[lavish grail]

im having trouble navigating it

[half scroll]

does hotshot stack with headhunter?

[urban latch]

Not really

It will make some difference, but much less than you would expect

[onyx sage]

do we have to go into the weeds about this...

let's just leave it at "at full headhunter stacks, the increase isn't as big as 20%"

[solar sable]

I misread that, my fault

[urban latch]

Its annoying that the answer isn't just a yes or no lol

[lavish grail]

what if i equipped acosta's kneepads

[solar sable]

I was running cd and misread that :(

[onyx sage]

not good

[lavish grail]

is there another way to get similar mobility buffs?

[onyx sage]

lady death

but you have to get kills

[lavish grail]

should i do lady death or mantis

[onyx sage]

mantis doesn't make sense so yeah

[lavish grail]

i wish there was something like the datagloves for the chem launcher

[lavish grail]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtAjGAMOQLHWympdAXMAbGywxx09jN4CIAmVCC6A0kpDKyaxjpzCXVgVjDsuwzMADskKJ2loMleBICcYRQIixKscYQ5y+E2OorZlEMVDOGxQ9HPKQBsNeGzUQB2WL1h41eERIMCQgLaSA

[half scroll]

soooo should i run 4p hotshot or just do 3p with foxes prayer?

[versed summit]

Fox’s is more damage IIRC but you lose the hotshot buffs, so whatever is more valuable to you

[magic pilot]

Fox better first shot dmg, 4 pc hotshot is used for the bonus armor and reload it's a "utility talent"

[solar sable]

I run 4pc because of CP4 5D. If you don't care about your mag refilling, do 3pc

[hexed steppe]

If using creeping death go with habsburg named courier bag

I would also mention scorpio being a stronger option for cc eclipse. No messing around with the talent, just shoot and status with a heavy amp for your teamates

[lavish grail]

i like the bluescreen's ridiculous stability

[hexed steppe]

Yeah but you wont be doing a lot of damage, like at all

So stability kinda means nothing

Scorpio is instant status. I would also personally use opportunistic over creeping and provide team with a triple amp
Survivalist 10
Scorpio 20
Perf opportunistic 15
Pretty much an instant 45% amp on top of the foam 😎

[lavish grail]

i forget can u have two exotic weapons

[hexed steppe]

Nope, only 1

[lavish grail]

ok

what named should i get for the secondary

[jagged marlin]

Everlasting gaze

[hexed steppe]

Just remember, eg will only boost a skill delivered status. You wont get an increase on status that has spread through the ep talent

[lavish grail]

what if i did anarchist's cookbook

[hexed steppe]

If you were gonna self boost ep bag is 30% amp

Nogo on Ac

You would be better with fire at that point.
Creeping is a decent talent for cc. opportunistic would increase teams damage, only reason I suggested, as cc is a team support build

[lavish grail]

could i use rugged gauntlets?

nah nvm

[lavish grail]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtADJ1bP3RAuArOOAmaBGYwEGKRIAs+RU2E5htES2WFdL92AbPE63UsAOw9mwpBlDQAnIOwpsYGfhlYZJQqJKCoElPLliweMP3QJ1inVB3Zw7LCE2n+onSSwkTFJNLlU6QA

[lavish grail]

could incindeary sticky bomb also function as crowd control?

or would riot foam be better

[hexed steppe]

You could go full burn and do a ton of damage. It would control the crown a bit

[magic pilot]

That's fire build, different setup

[lavish grail]

if it can do damage, cause chaos in the enemy ranks and get to people behind cover, it's what i'm looking for

[hexed steppe]

Yeah you can definitely use fire in the same way. You would use ep bag for the 30% amp, probably vile mask as that's free damage dot that utilized the ep bag/status rolls.
You would actually want capacitor as the weapon tho since fire can double dip status effects and skill damage for its strength, also the 12% dta applies to fire 😎.
Secondary would probably be an insync mop/or other in sync shotgun for same dta.
Biggest thing is making sure the capacitor is stacked or insync is procced before firing your chem or sticky. Skill snapshots current skill damage to determine strength

[lavish grail]

what if i did battery pack backpack and everything else eclipse protocol

or ceaser's guard chest and everything else eclipse protocol

i like the idea of really fast skill refresh

[hexed steppe]

None of it is worth on eclipse.
Ep bag is strongest for damage. Chest is pretty vital if you want your status to travel well and last.
Cc versions use creeping/opportunistic/ or acosta's go bag.
Damage always uses ep bag

[onyx sage]

the idea is either you go full control or full damage. there are ways to mitigate cooldowns. realistically, if you're being limited by cooldown it means your team isn't doing its full potential. battery pack won't be of much help for either full control or full damage

[red island]

Ah you remind me I still haven't got bile mask

Maybe someday

[hexed steppe]

Th only chest I could see using other that ep would be glass cannon on a damage version, but you nerf the spead that way

[onyx sage]

also, while the idea of refreshing CDs faster to apply more status effects seems logical, enemies now have much more aggressive resistance to repeated status effects, so realistically it won't be very useful

so, if you want fast skill refresh, you won't find it on eclipse, and going for it means you sacrifice something else

[lavish grail]

well skill tiers with incendiary sticky bomb boost skill haste anyway
so if i get a secondary with future perfected i can get overcharge out the ass (especially considering my skill tiers currently read 5)

[onyx sage]

the skill tier boost is "for free" anyway since you need skill tier 6

[lavish grail]

wdym

wait
with the kard it should go up to six

can you get overcharge that way? or do i still need future perfected?

[onyx sage]

you want to run skill tier 6 anyway, so considering the skill haste boost from it is kinda like thinking "Buy 2 get 1 free" is a good deal

it's there by default, no need to consider it

[lavish grail]

right thats what i mean

[onyx sage]

and future perfect isn't really used, because you need weapon kill to proc it, not skill kill

and with this build, you don't want to do any weapon damage, just focus on status effects

[lavish grail]

is there another way to get overcharge?

[onyx sage]

acosta or btsu gloves

acosta bag*

[onyx sage]

and not using kard either, because it's only active when you hold it, and if you swap to something like a chem launcher or you accidentally hold a sticky bomb in your hand, you're no longer holding the kard so you go down a skill tier

[lavish grail]

hmmmm
yeah i think ill use scalpel (future perfected) as my secondary

[onyx sage]

the build guide is written like that for a reason

all the cases were accounted for

we can explain why some things are or aren't chosen, but just assuring you that there's a reason why the things you gave aren't really used

[lavish grail]

build app says you can only get that with all eclipse protocol
you said to use vile

[hexed steppe]

I would consider an acosta's version if really wanting to oc

[lavish grail]

oh wait

[onyx sage]

what?

[lavish grail]

vile gives +1 skill tier
nvm

[magic pilot]

Imperial dynasty?

[hexed steppe]

Hush

[lavish grail]

whats that

[magic pilot]

It's an exotic holster, sets the nearest enemy on fire with a 30s cooldown

[hexed steppe]

Well, it's a solid exo component anyways

[lavish grail]

throwing a grenade refunds it
...all the time? so infinite grenades?

[onyx sage]

no, only when the overcharge is off cooldown

[finite bluff]

Hypothetically, would a ouroboros work better on striker build rather than Elmo's?

[red island]

Yes on short range

[serene hare]

I think I'll stick with this build for a while, such a fun set or weapons and gear.
Fits perfectly with this outfit too.

[hexed steppe]

Highend dps is solid 💯

[finite bluff]

so it works well on countdown.

All the more reason to get it.

[serene hare]

Goated af.

[finite bluff]

oh btw are countdown hunters like

strong as hell.

To you also in the endgame or is it just only me struggling against them

[lavish grail]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtADJ1bP3RAuAjGFaCc8CswEGKRIAs+RUKE5htEqATHcxcaCx8sAOyd-0Ng2KJnAocOdDl7iAbFPAVUORWFli0gsCSYgayFA3lRpYYWpJ0k3VGHyXW9GWip0gA

[onyx sage]

they are tankier, on challenging they don't do that much damage but on heroic they will melt

[finite bluff]

they one shot my full dps build In mere seconds.

(full reds)

[onyx sage]

use cover to cover

it's expected

[finite bluff]

Cant, already have obliterate on my chest to boost dps

[onyx sage]

????

[finite bluff]

Wait.

what's cover to cover again

[onyx sage]

get in cover, look at another cover, hold cover button to run to that cover in a special animation

[finite bluff]

Oh another question: what would work the best for dps build with revive hive for general purposes

[onyx sage]

swap mask, holster or kneepads for an electrique piece

and i tell you to do cover to cover so you don't take damage while you're getting closer to an enemy

[finite bluff]

Like riot foam launcher, emp nade, what works the best?

[onyx sage]

it's viable everywhere

(not pvp but pve yeah)

[finite bluff]

no no I know

[finite bluff]

(I'm not a pvp player)

[onyx sage]

what you said are all good, + shield too

depends on what you need

[finite bluff]

But what's the best in overall

Mostly countdowns

[onyx sage]

there's no "best" overall

[finite bluff]

huh.

[onyx sage]

in countdown trapping a hunter so he doesn't use skills or heal is good, riot foam is actually decent

emp sticky also does that, when you explode it on an enemy they stagger and they're also emp'd so yeah

[finite bluff]

Emp feels a little more consistent don't you think?

Or am I going delulu

[onyx sage]

well, riot foam even at t0 lasts longer than the stagger from emp sticky

[hexed steppe]

If not disrupted..

[onyx sage]

i run emp sticky too but i can explain in a good way so you know when to use what

[hexed steppe]

That's the big problem with hunters in cd anyways

[onyx sage]

against electronics, riot foam is useless, emp sticky is goated

[finite bluff]

So emp sees more general usage

[onyx sage]

against humans, riot foam is very good, emp sticky is good to disable any skill from an enemy (including grenades!!) and can stagger when you explode it

in general, riot foam is less versatile, as you can't really use it without taking damage if you have aggro. you have to peek out to shoot the foam, can't really blindfire the foam

but emp sticky you can quickcast and it has 100% accuracy (you always hit the center of the screen)

[red island]

Not just that

[onyx sage]

just a general idea. to me, i use the emp sticky because i play mostly legendary and stunning dogs/minitanks is very helpful. plus against humans, the 2s stagger is enough for me to finish them off

[red island]

If you Quick cast but the target is moving, your sticky will auto lock your target no matter what even if they go behind cover

It's broken

[onyx sage]

yes

the moment you quickcast, it's already "on the enemy", it just takes time before you can detonate

[red island]

Otherwise you can go the funny strat with shvok traps lmao

Shock*

It's funny but not effective

But very funny so I do it a lot

[finite bluff]

share your knowledge

[onyx sage]

did you know trap explosions proc armor on kill?

[red island]

See Hunter, shock trap around, have fun

[finite bluff]

see hunter?

[onyx sage]

use against hunter

[finite bluff]

Oh.

[red island]

Yes

[onyx sage]

read if you want to know why or wait till you try ||it doesn't get disrupted after it's deployed||

[red island]

Yeah trap is such a bad skill they buffed it so hard lol

Cool down also start at cast, not after it's over

[hexed steppe]

Traps are pretty good tbh. Great for ow hunters when you can preset them at the spawn

[red island]

Which mean you can basically have almost 100% up time

[red island]

Yeah but it's really specific, after Hunters in ow you dont use it xd

[hexed steppe]

And?

[onyx sage]

traps are definitely within top 5 skills for me

both shock trap and shrapnel

[red island]

Too long to cast, too short range tho

It's good to set up a place but that's it

And it's rare to do that

[onyx sage]

if at t0, you can swap to kard for free tier, throw it then swap back to normal gun

[tawdry flare]

The top skills for me are
Oxi
Foam
Emp sticky
Traps
Decoy

[hexed steppe]

Traps are easy to quick swap to when rogues are around as well

[onyx sage]

you get the t1 number of charges even after you lose t1

[tawdry flare]

Traps retains overcharge

[onyx sage]

yeah, it "snapshots" your stats

[tawdry flare]

As well only skill do so

[hexed steppe]

My top 5 skills are
Mortar
Mortar
Mortar
Mortar
Stinger hive

[tawdry flare]

Oxis are just better

[onyx sage]

me when i surprise people when i say "shock traps can heal you"

[hexed steppe]

Facts

[onyx sage]

anyways @finite bluff it's just arcane knowledge, all the skills we discussed are used a lot. it just depends on the situation and your familiarity with them

[hexed steppe]

Only on a godmode 5.11 build 😂

[tawdry flare]

With oxis

[serene hare]

My top 5 skills are

1. Reviving Hive
2. Decoy
3. Drurret (striker drone + striker turret together)
4. Decoy
5. Reviving Hive

[junior surge]

foam best skill tbh

[pastel crane]

This Foundry/Liberty build helped me with a Legendary Zoo run.

But I feel like there could be some adjustments. Any suggestions?

[onyx sage]

you looking to just stay alive or do damage or...?

[pastel crane]

Staying alive

[onyx sage]

it's alright, memento can be swapped out for an ad rush backpack if you're not getting kills

[pastel crane]

Would any backpack with Ad rush work? Or does it have to be a specific brand?

I should emphasize that during my run, I did get kills here and there with Liberty

[finite bluff]

yeah I'm just asking where to start from

[onyx sage]

i mean there's like a conflict here. if you want to stay alive, you can hyperfocus on staying alive, and memento wouldn't be your choice

if you want to kill, then focus your budget more on damage and memento becomes a good piece if you kill because you get that survivability for the damage you put in

[pastel crane]

Understood

[finite bluff]

Is coyote or memento better for striker?

[pastel crane]

Coyote

[onyx sage]

by default, coyote, unless you want more comfort in solo

[finite bluff]

I'm comfortable whenever

[onyx sage]

then coyote is more beneficial

[pastel crane]

Speaking of an ad rush backpack, does it have to be a specific brand?

[magic pilot]

Ceska over DH

Liberty is one of the lowest chc pistols

[pastel crane]

Ohhhh

Alright, I'll keep that in mind

[finite bluff]

Still beats mosquito

(on how useless that gun is, god.)

[onyx sage]

yeah you can do ceska backpack

[finite bluff]

Overall I'll try all my options of stun/diversion skills atm

[pastel crane]

I'll just level up my DH holster to 10 then switch to Ceska holster

[finite bluff]

I mean so far firewalls best option seems to be shield

[onyx sage]

more like the shield is so good you have to use firewall

otherwise there's only the medkit and not much else

[finite bluff]

Medkit?

[pastel crane]

I guess its petty, but I've been hearing so much hype about striker shield that I'd prefer not to use Firewall

[finite bluff]

The uhh

[jagged marlin]

Firewall also gives huge cover to cover shield

[finite bluff]

60%

[jagged marlin]

It's actually 30% but that's still pretty huge

[finite bluff]

Oh

[onyx sage]

firewall medkit heals you 200% armor over 10s

[magic pilot]

Cover to cover talent is strong too

[finite bluff]

m

[onyx sage]

yes

[finite bluff]

What's the best specialization in PvE for striker though

[pastel crane]

Gunner

[magic pilot]

Fun fact the cover to cover bonus armor will add to HB bonus armor if you have stacks

Like it won't disappear after the cover to cover is done

[onyx sage]

wdym by that

the cover to cover bonus armor from firewall stays?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[onyx sage]

what's the condition?

[magic pilot]

It will pool with the HB armor

[onyx sage]

do you have to have HB stacks before that or

[magic pilot]

I don't think so? I'm pretty sure it will go over the cap

[onyx sage]

oh no i mean

[magic pilot]

You might need at least 1 stack

I know with stacks it stays

[onyx sage]

so you mean the bonus armor from firewall will stay even after the cover to cover is finished, if you have HB stacks?

that's very interesting

[magic pilot]

Yep

[jagged marlin]

Wait, you can heal hb stacks with firewall cover to cover shield?

[onyx sage]

don't think it's what he said, the bonus armor doesn't add to HB stacks

rather it adds to the HB stacks' bonus armor

[jagged marlin]

Oh I thought that if you had stacks but no armor, the bonus armor from the firewall bonus armor just takes up the corresponding stack difference between amp and bonus armor

So you just get free bonus armor?

Now I need to make a hb build

[onyx sage]

can you test for me too

i'm too lazy to get back on the game today 💀

[jagged marlin]

It seems to be doing what I described and not the free bonus armor

I need more armor to test accurately

[magic pilot]

It just adds the 30% to whatever the HB pool is

[jagged marlin]

Yea from what I can see, it heals the HB armor

[finite bluff]

kard?

oh the armor

[onyx sage]

tdi kard custom

the named pistol

[finite bluff]

wa.

h.

I didnt realize my chestplate wasnt ceska

cant bother getting it now

[mental creek]

This is me with the one shot sniper build with the determined talent.

[finite bluff]

pov: machinegunners.

[jagged marlin]

At the end it went above the stack amount, but only remained equivalent to stacks, so it's simply healing

That makes me wonder if revenous or dread edict would work the same way

Actually makes heartbreaker playable in a way

[wise swallow]

since when was heartbreaker not playable lol

[jagged marlin]

Well it makes it more playable, yes

I've always found it annoying having to wait until stacks decay to get more bonus armor, and without bonus armor it's just worse strikers

[onyx sage]

okie thanks. i'm writing this to memory

another specialization that would synergize with HB

[jagged marlin]

Now I wonder if ad rush and leadership heals heartbreaker stacks, probably not that useful as firewall but would be interesting

Ninjabike kneepads, yes

[tawdry flare]

Dogs and bots

For spawn trapping nothing beats oxis though

[magic pilot]

Ad rush doesnt

[echo quail]

Guys?

Can anybody w an all tank build?

[bright raptor]

It's in the pinned Google Spreadsheet

[echo quail]

K thx man

I am on mobile so

Can’t read it

Wut does it say for tank build

[versed summit]

What do you want a tank build for?

[tame flax]

to think tank

[karmic moss]

whats best to put in my shield healt, deflector damage or damage bonus

[versed summit]

Depends on which shield you’re using

[karmic moss]

crusader shield the on evry one rushes with

at least thats what i think evry one is using

[urban latch]

Those mods are specific to the deflector shield and striker shield. You'll want something like extra shield health or shield regen

[karmic moss]

dammit dont have anything health or regen anymore

[vestal ibex]

meh they are tiny increases anyway

[finite bluff]

I mean I'd say assault turret is pretty good at focusing on one door

:clueless:

[tawdry flare]

You must have never seen oxis work you can ask any good player for spawn trapping oxis kicks the crap out of anything

[finite bluff]

I'm asking you then cause I don't know anyone else

[tawdry flare]

My bad 😅 anyway you should watch couple of speedruns like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTySU8aVyf8

[finite bluff]

Alright ty

[tawdry flare]

They can be niche though

But for spawn trapping they are goated

[finite bluff]

Fairs, I'ma stick to emp stickies or firewall shield atm since dps

[hexed steppe]

thats irrelevant, the spreadsheet works fine on mobile or desktop. try google sheets app maybe

[south otter]

any good skill damage build? I would appreciate if anyone could help me, thanks!.

[patent fossil]

check the spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages, there's a few options: turret drone is the simplest (very easy to play, if a bit slow and boring) but artillery turret builds can be pretty good too, especially in group play

[faint chasm]

can i get some advice on an oxidizer build? ive done some research from videos but i mostly see very different builds, so im not sure what to focus on as a beginner

[urban latch]

There's an oxy build in the pinned spreadsheet. However you specifically set it up though will depend on what your using it for. It's one of the most situation specific builds out there with multiple variations

[vestal ibex]

What are you trying to do with your oxy build? Because oxy builds are typically for killing spawn ads or some other funk stuff. They are typically horrible at clearing normal conent.

[faint chasm]

i like to play healing / supporting roles so i can always be useful, but it was getting boring just healing so i figured i would do some niche builds so i can use it when the time comes

[faint chasm]

oh thanks

[vestal ibex]

In the spreadsheet Raucey mentioned there is a EP foam build which is arguably better than healer for most content. If you don't have it I'd highly suggest it and it's fire version is super good too, although more aimed at actually killing stuff.

[solar sable]

I'm overcapped by .6% CHC

[echo quail]

k thx

I have foundery bulwork 4 peaces

[hazy steeple]

You really should set up your id:customize

[echo quail]

I did thx

wuts yuour tank build?

[hexed steppe]

Not many use pure tank builds. There isnt really a good aggro mechanic so tanks kinda weigh the team down.
Something like hunters fury and heartbreaker sets are dps but with some armor on kill or bonus armor mechanics and are used as a middle ground for damage and survivability.
Memento bag is an easy addition that can give some armor regen/survivability as well.

[red island]

the mosquito exist for agro

but thats it, not a great item

[jagged marlin]

Best aggro mechanic for a tank is running into close range with enemies

Outside of doing damage that is

[onyx sage]

melee baiting mentioned

[red island]

btw i tried moskito on hunters today, it didnt work at all, anybody knows why ?

on countdown, i have a bad build so i wanted to draw agro

[hexed steppe]

best tank in the game is gonna be decoy anyways. draws all the aggro

[finite bluff]

Not a great?

It's god awful imo, sorry

[finite bluff]

I believe hunters have some sort of immunity to that like how emp doesn't affect their healing

[red island]

its not, specific bosses need to have agro set up on you for good dps phases

[finite bluff]

like boomer?

[red island]

if you're full tank you're doing no damage so you dont draw agro, with moskito you can force agro

idk havent tried on him, but you get the idea

[finite bluff]

I mean it's such a niche use if you can just run up to them.

[red island]

i know even the train at the end of iron horse you can have it agro you with moskito so it saves your team for all its dps

[finite bluff]

• you're trading in potential for high dps or Scorpio.

[red island]

yeah but as i said

its for specific set up

[finite bluff]

I mean you can build around practically anything in this game

I just don't think it's worth it.

[red island]

well, thats a build around

not broken, but not useless

wont be used for everything, but exist and has a purpose

[finite bluff]

so like ravenous or eb? (Not useless, but rather niche)
(Except eb in pvp, but we talk about PvE)

[red island]

eb is good all the time basically

ravenous i forgot what it does

some exotics are down bad thats for sure, but moskito isnt one of thoses

[hexed steppe]

that exo pistol wont be used pretty much ever.. not when half the ppl run elmo, and the other half run oreo

[finite bluff]

I mean yeah they exist and yeah they have their uses but just

[finite bluff]

Like which ones?

[red island]

obviously not on a dps build thats for sure

[finite bluff]

I only know of the uhh

What was that barbed wire smg that's genuine ass.

[hexed steppe]

regulus > BLB > liberty > mosquito

[red island]

idk, dread edict is down bad iirc, its like sniper that behave like a rifle but you cant use it like a rifle cause of accuracy

[finite bluff]

Regulus peak.

Obtaining it is pain in the ass tho

[hexed steppe]

not on any build, that mosquito is trash tier imho

[red island]

i cant do ih anyway

so regu is out of my reach

[hexed steppe]

its not. its easy enough to get with a carry

[finite bluff]

I'd say same cause for something you can do well without it trading in potential dps or better effects is just not worth it

[hexed steppe]

how i got mine

[finite bluff]

is regu project a bulwark one?

[hexed steppe]

regulus

[finite bluff]

uhhh

I mean I have 3 goals that are like

Go west agent, bulwark and future initiative

[hexed steppe]

i think the bulwark and fi projects are related to reg right

go west is dodge city

[finite bluff]

I believe..?

[finite bluff]

The gas station

ill still have to run iron horse a few times for it but eh.

not feeling it.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, 2 weekly runs for the base materials then 3rd week for the actual regulus parts

if you had 2 agents to run it in the first week you could have enough base mats and just need the next week for the parts

[finite bluff]

Not really gonna go out of my way rn to max out 2 others yet.

I gotta finish my main one then think about others

Though question, do my characters share the stashed items?

[hexed steppe]

you would just swap a build over. but you would want to be at least into shd

yes, shared stash. shared blueprints and mats if you but the blueprints for ir

[finite bluff]

I meant like 3 weekly runs on 3 diff characters.

[hexed steppe]

you would only really be able to do 2 agents for the regulus projects. 2 agents shared mats completes the first projects for the main, but that main would be the one gathering parts, and that wouldnt be till the following week

[finite bluff]

Let's take it to #td2-general-chat since I feel like we're flooding this chat.

[echo quail]

Whats your tank build?

[pastel crane]

I'm using 4pc Foundry with its chest piece, DH holster, Memento with Liberty as my tank build

[hot gale]

So hey, i found out via a reddit post you can infact make the defender drone give you 100 percent dmg reduction and to my surprise it makes you immune just like the rogue/hunter ai, you take zero damage while its overcharged. Time to grind

[shy willow]

If you wanna tank this bad, use pointman, Lavoisier, Scorpio and 4 pieces ongoing directive

All blue and rolled to crit

[shy willow]

I'm like 99 percent sure there's a cap at 80 percent or so

[hot gale]

Nope, i can dm you a link to the vid

[hot gale]

Its unbelievable and i don’t blame you but its possible,

[shy willow]

Sure

[solar sable]

Can I also get this please?

[echo quail]

Thx

[shy willow]

TLDR for those curious you need to invest a fair bit in expertise and have a way to overcharge along with a good DR mod

But while you're OC you're impervious to gunshots

[tawdry flare]

Btsu

[shy willow]

A whole 15 seconds of invincibility

[bronze peak]

When creating a build to tackle challenging or heroic difficulties, what should I focus on?

[shy willow]

Damage

[versed summit]

Damage optimally, but you can get away with taking survivability on heroic and challenging especially.

[shy willow]

Hunters fury and memento is a good starting point

[karmic moss]

any one know a good build to run bcs i cant get stacks on striker and dont know what to rn now

[versed summit]

Are you using an ACS?

[red island]

wym u cant get stacks ?

[frail cosmos]

would this smg be better from what i have?

[red island]

not in a group with status effect

[urban latch]

Hard to tell without seeing what your others are, but lady death is a solid weapon the main downside is the low mag size, so at higher difficulties it becomes difficult to kill things in 1 mag, but at lower difficulties (challenging and below) its one of the best weapons in the game imo

[urban latch]

try giving hunters fury and negotiators a try, or try out a high end build. All those options are quite good

[frail cosmos]

i have a full set of hunter fury if thats what you are asking

[urban latch]

yeah, that would be a good set to run with this

[polar kayak]

Is eclipse still the best eclipse burn build?

[versed summit]

For PvE yes.

[polar kayak]

what should most of the parts consist of? Skill Haste and Damage?

[versed summit]

Prioritize attributes in this order: Status Effects, Skill Damage, Skill Haste.

You’ll run status on everything, Skill damage hopefully on 1-2 pieces, and then skill haste mods are your best option.

[polar kayak]

okkkkk ill try and see what i can get done

ty

[tawdry flare]

Hey DivisionWiki what do you think of red fi with NBB 1 picaro rolled skill tier and 1 Providence with tech and 3 skill tier for pve as red fi all crit ofc -picaro

[urban latch]

The skill tiers aren't really worth what your giving up a backpack talent

You can just run memento and tech if you want, I've done that a lot on that build

[hexed steppe]

just to add to previous mention, run the ep bag on fire variant. eclipse can also double dip status effects and skill damage for fire strength. using capacitor is an easy way to get a ton of skill damage and damage to armor (dta improves fire strength against npc with armor).

[polar kayak]

Ill try do it

[warm knot]

Are there any good gear set pvp builds? I'm new to pvp and I'm trying to make a build for DZ. Ik there's some builds in the spreadsheet, but those are high end ones, and they seem super hard to assemble.

I'll aim for them in the future, I just want something easy to start with.

[gentle lichen]

Striker's good as well as negotiator's

If you wanna support you can go FI healer or Cavalier for status immunity support

[warm knot]

But I'm solo, and it's for dz, not conflict. I just want to have a chance to defense myself lol

[vestal ibex]

You say DZ but what are you looking to do in there? Farm landmarks? Gank people on extract? Manhunts? What's the goal?

[warm knot]

Landmarks and extraction. I'm not not a big fan of attacking people lol.

[rich cosmos]

So a pve build

[gentle lichen]

That can survive a pvp build

[vestal ibex]

Naw you wanna go for survivability too.

Maybe HB with memento and 1 ceska for ez build?

[tulip charm]

If its just for landmarks then just strikers + memento

[gentle lichen]

If they extract someone can come then Inspect and put pulse resist

[vestal ibex]

There is always some counters tho. They want an easy build and don't expect to fight. That's an easy build and not exactly meant for fighting.

That build is probably in their stash and takes 0 farming, They can work at it as they see fit ya know.

[warm knot]

I might have everything except for 1 or 2 HB pieces

[magic pilot]

Lengo, umbra

[wise swallow]

Striker, umbra, heartbreaker

Cavalier

Future initiative

Umbra is easy to put together

Heartbreaker is probably the easiest but it’s really a headshot only set. There are crit versions but imo those are weak

Heartbreaker is just catharsis, foxes and 4 pc heartbreaker

Use big horn and eagle all HSD attributes

Only time I like catharsis is with HB

Bcz being a bullet sponge in face trades is what Hb does really well

[karmic moss]

any one have a good healer build that i can try and i have the one of the spreadsheet so a other one

[magic pilot]

That's the best one

[wise swallow]

Cavahealer is a thing

It’s not exactly good but uhh it’s a thing

[gentle lichen]

Still salty about the 40% repair skills on it

[frail cosmos]

im looking for a ar build what gear set does ar well?

[junior surge]

Striker is great, for the faster firing ARs especially

[frail cosmos]

what does it do?

[junior surge]

It gives you stacks for hitting shots, those stacks giving you more damage. So as you're shooting at enemies, you get more damage

It's pretty much the best dps set out there rn

[glossy scarab]

its probably the simplest gear set to use. just land shots and get more and more damage

[frail cosmos]

intresting
how do i grind it?

[red island]

targeted loot

[junior surge]

About 3-4 countdown runs will get you a pretty solid setup

[brave cloud]

For a DPS build, is Gunner or Demolitionist better?

[junior surge]

Gunner, demo doesn't really give you any bonuses for yourself other than the explosion protection

Gunner gives the weapon handling, rof and armor on kill, ans some people like the banshee pulse aswell

[brave cloud]

yeah Gunner's been what I've been using. but wasnt sure if demo was better. used it when I was on xbox.

thank u

[half scroll]

@magic pilot is there any good alternative to kingbreaker in the 3/3 build? not a huge fan of it

[magic pilot]

Any AR

AK works well, kinda the same boat though

[half scroll]

okay

i keep running into status effect builds and one shot sniper builds and its driving me nuts

kill me before i can even see them

[solar sable]

you just need to practice your aim and cover with HS and you'll almost never get shot

I usually run scanner pulse to know where they at

[shy willow]

The hard counter to status effects is a hazard immune build

One shot sniper builds have the durability of a sheet of paper so your best counter is to catch them lacking

[stiff jasper]

Hummm

[stiff jasper]

Theoretically, fire status build are able to counter sniper build unless it is hazard variant

[stiff jasper]

Since bullet are available only within 100m, it is game machine

[stiff jasper]

But Chem launcher are able landing more than 100m with parabola, so basically you are able to burn them, but you won't get shot if you keep nice range

[stiff jasper]

Not even mention Chem launcher are AOE then you don't need to expose your body, and using wall or any object to reflect you Chem launcher to hit target behind cover

[quasi geyser]

does the Aegis Damage Resistance worth it for a tank build ?

[solar sable]

aegis doesn't work

[quasi geyser]

so the stacks you get dont do anything ?

[shy willow]

They do virtually nothing

[jagged marlin]

Don't they provide damage mitgation?

[shy willow]

It's way too low to be of any use whatsoever

It's only use is the 15 percent total armour bonus

[jagged marlin]

Does it have a multiplicative effect with pfe

Might be useful in like the last stage of tidal basin

To become immortal

[magic pilot]

does not work like that

[jagged marlin]

Well yea, I doubt you can reach 100% damage resistance, there probably is a cap

[clever junco]

Hi, everyone. I'm trying to farm gear for a Striker AR build. But I suck at the game, so I will probably never be in a position to get Elmo or Memento to drop. Can you recommend an alternative Assault Rifle and Backpack that are actually attainable? Thanks.

[glossy scarab]

strikers backpack is typically used for a striker build. a good AR is F2000

[rich lotus]

Try summit lfg and put target loot on assault rifles you should get your st elmo

[clever junco]

I'm solo and already have a hard time on Normal difficulty with no Challenges set. What are the odds that an Exotic like Elmo will drop between floors 1-10?

[glossy scarab]

not that great. but its possible

[rich lotus]

i got mine dropped floor 9 set on heroic

[rich lotus]

Pc?

[clever junco]

Yes.

[red island]

if you struggle on normal difficulty, you're doing something wrong, you should be able to destroy them no matter what

[clever junco]

I guess. I'm just bad at the game. Situational awareness, etc. Get downed by anything with fire and guys who run up and smash me in the face. Currently a M700 headshot build with Aces, so trying to build for AR to do better mid-range and close up.

[red island]

try getting 1 or 2 blue core for more survival

[glossy scarab]

i bet the build is just a hodgepodge of nothing

[red island]

yeah i think so too

[clever junco]

It's four Aces + two Airaldi with all red cores an M700 and Nemesis.

Sharpshooter

[glossy scarab]

oh my bad. i stand corrected

[red island]

yeah thats why u get blown up

you got 0 survival

imo your best bet is to run countdown on challenging

you will get carried pretty fast

[glossy scarab]

yeah. you can pretty much just try to stay alive and collect loot

lots of loot

[clever junco]

Sorry, I'm a noob idiot who just came back to the game after like four years... Is Countdown a co-op game type? Can I jump in with ransoms, or do I need my own party.

[glossy scarab]

matchmaking takes care of everything for you, just jump in with random groups

and yea its co op

[red island]

dont be sorry, its a discord to help new players, we are litterally here for that
countdown is a 8 player game mode, with matchmaking, with targeted loot you can set to whatever you want (except dz exclusive), just follow players, kill enemies, stay alive, let your team do the work, and you'll be fine

it will give you a lot of loot

[glossy scarab]

if you're going to use the aces build then i would keep a very generous distance since you won't have much for close quarters defenses. unless you switch nemesis for scorpio or something

[clever junco]

I just did aces because I got a couple pieces to drop and already had the M700 and Nemesis from back in the day. I'm not sticking with it. Want something better for solo play and also mid and close range.

[glossy scarab]

oh cool sounds good

if you have any kind of red dps build that would be a good place to start for farming countdown. it'll do until you can arrange a strikers build and i bet you will stop having so much trouble getting by

[hexed anvil]

What's the best sniper for a hotshot build?

[glossy scarab]

model 700, m700 carbon, SR-1, white death is still very good

[hexed anvil]

Yea I've been using white death.. but wanted to switch to a better dmg weapon

[glossy scarab]

yea model 700 is great for power. but SR-1 isnt that far off and it fires faster and reloads faster

plus you can craft it

[hexed anvil]

Perfect.. I'll try both and stick with one I like 🙂

[glossy scarab]

good call

i like to use model 700 with the digital scope on it for preliminary shots and SR-1 with no scope for closer range chain killing

[hexed anvil]

Yea I'm gonna use mine mainly for for incursion. Is there anything else that would make it better for incursion?

[glossy scarab]

hm i dunno. never attempted a sniper build in incursion. i feel like you're gonna need the highest damage you can manage

[hexed anvil]

Then model 700 it is lol

[glossy scarab]

yep

dont miss the attachment slot where you can put in a mod for 5% weapon damage or whatever it is

[hexed anvil]

150% headshot and rest to dmg

[glossy scarab]

if your pieces have the right attrinutes and are optimized then you should still end up with a pretty good bit more than 150%

[hexed anvil]

@glossy scarab I saw this build.. what do you think?

[glossy scarab]

not bad if you're going to use regulus. for pure sniper power you would want 3 pc hotshot i believe

[hexed anvil]

Regulus as a back in incursion

[glossy scarab]

alright nice

[shy willow]

Don't use snipers in the incursion

NPC health pools are insanely high

[hexed anvil]

For speed runs

[shy willow]

Even for speed runs you need DPS

I'm not sure what the actual breakpoint is but it cuts it very close

[hexed anvil]

Yea you can chainkill in first area and the tanker area..

Saves a lot of time

[shy willow]

Ehh too slow for turrets

Just oxidize and be done

[hexed anvil]

1 sniper, 2 dps, one oxy

[shy willow]

By the time you've stacked everything is gonna be dead asf

[hexed anvil]

Easy to stack on a purple.. takes less then 2 sec

[glossy scarab]

i wouldnt try it but i say go ahead and do it if you're confident you can maintain HH stacks

[hexed anvil]

Alright.. yea I can maintain the chain

[vestal ibex]

What's your goal and current times look like?

[hexed anvil]

Goal is to get faster and learn different strategies people use in speed runs. Right now at 08:49

[vestal ibex]

Oh well you don't really need anything special to get into the 7s even. You would be better off using strikers DPS for tanker tho. It's what all fastest tankers use.

[shy willow]

Replace EB with capacitor

[rich lotus]

alright but why is that just askin

[shy willow]

It has DTA as a second attribute and gains more damage if you have skill cores

I'm assuming this is for pvp

[rich lotus]

yes

[shy willow]

You might want technician too

More damage with capacitor

[rich lotus]

oh okay didnt know that ty

[rich lotus]

should i change more things?

im kinda looking to make a good pvp build to do alot of damage and survive since of these regens builds

[shy willow]

I personally run more reds cuz umbra incentivises jumping people

[rich lotus]

what would u recommend then

i dont understand so much yet of the build etc

[shy willow]

Running more reds

[red island]

whats the goal of your build ?

[tulip charm]

Pvp

[tulip charm]

Also most people that run that build use around 3-4 yellow instead of blues and a walker piece.

Super obnoxious build

[timid marten]

Hi so i was told to farm some weapons a ceska chest with obliterate with i have grupo glove and the reste IS striker's pieces what should i do just farming m'y library or someting else

[red island]

farming your library is always good but it will come with time, just always check your library before selling/deconstructing anything

if you got striker with ceska and grupo you should be fine to do damage

now try farming something else or better rolls

[timid marten]

Do you have any suggestions on what build i should farm for@red island

And is the strikers set the most powerfull in terms of damage

[red island]

striker with full stack is the highest dps in the game you can have, but you're very fragile

you can farm other gear sets, named items, brand sets, etc

and same for weapon, exostics, named weapons, etc

[timid marten]

What's exostics??

[red island]

another rarity of item, they usually have a unique talent that separate them from the rest

they are red color

they usually are the most hard to get

some are only aviable on raid, incursions, or legendary missions

[karmic moss]

what best ceska armor or grupo and why

[versed summit]

Depends on the build.

[karmic moss]

striker

[versed summit]

Technically, ceska is better as its worth 5/3 of a CHC attribute, and Grupo is only 5/4 of a CHD attribute

[versed summit]

Ceska is better here.

[karmic moss]

even for ouro if elmo

[versed summit]

Even for Ouro

[karmic moss]

bcs somtimes i switch gun

[versed summit]

It works well because it buffs your secondary more too.

[karmic moss]

but is it with ouro i dont need to get shotgun to get stacks

[shy willow]

Ceska is just better

Grupo only fits if somebody else is running coyote

[versed summit]

it is

[karmic moss]

bcs i hate using shotguns so i wanna get stacks difrent but not shure how and i wanna do alot of damage

[shy willow]

Shotguns are the easiest way to stack full stop

Namely the ACS

You only need to open with them and stack up and you can forget about them after

[karmic moss]

i just dont use them at all i stack sith my ouro

its pretty fast

[shy willow]

Acs is faster

[karmic moss]

thats why i am looking for a good dps build where i do loads of damage and not ned to stack

[shy willow]

Pretty much every DPS build requires stacking to reach full potential

[karmic moss]

thats the point i dont use shoitguns so

[shy willow]

ND has stacks striker has stacks high end has stacks hotshot has stacks everything has stacks

It's easier to just use a shotgun lol

Ouro has the same effective range anyway it's not too different

[karmic moss]

just want a good build where i can us e ouro and st elmo

[shy willow]

You can't use both simultaneously

But they're interchangeable

[karmic moss]

no i switch between themù

[junior surge]

Just run striker with a ceska chest with obliterate. No need for acs if you're not using striker chest imo

[karmic moss]

just wanna run a dps build where i do damage and can switch between ouro and elmo and not need a shotgun

and so manny people saying difrent things not really helping me

[clever junco]

Running an M700 build now but in them process of changing... Still, I currently have 4 Aces/2 Airaldi I also have a full set of Hotshot. Forbthe M700/Nemesis, is the Breaking Point set better than what I already have?

[junior surge]

4pc striker, ceska obliterate chest, coyote mask. You'll deal damage, you don't need to run a shotgun and cam switch between ouro and elmos

[karmic moss]

all crit damage or crtit chance better

[junior surge]

Crit damage everywhere

Elmos and ouro come with enough chc

All the striker pieces should have crit damage

[onyx sage]

go for either 4 hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi backpack with vigilance

or 3 hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi, fox

those are easy to get setups

[karmic moss]

crit hit mods to or there chance

[onyx sage]

crit dmg mods

[junior surge]

Crit damage aswell

[karmic moss]

ok

[junior surge]

Assuming you've got crit chance and damage on the chest, elmos will get to 52, which is exactly what you want for medium range coyote buff and ouro will overcap slightly

[karmic moss]

so evry where crit damage only chest need both

[junior surge]

Crit damage everywhere, both crit damage and chance on the chest

coyotes will come with both anyway

[karmic moss]

how much crit damage and chance is ideal to get like in the stats thing

[junior surge]

60 crit chance for ouro 50-ish for elmos

Crit damage as much as you can after getting to those chc numbers

[karmic moss]

what do i do if i have 60 for elmo to

[tulip charm]

Reduce your chc

[junior surge]

Change some crit chance ro damage

There'a gotta be a striker piece or mod you're running with crit chance

[karmic moss]

so i cant run a 60 on elmo

[junior surge]

You can, you're just missing out on some potential damage when you're at mid range with elmos

[peak yarrow]

We know that the coyote mask can plus the critical hit chance and critical damage, but with vindictive talent will plus to 15% to critical hit chance and critical damage?

Example i have a m4 police with 50 % critical hit chance but with talent vindictive and coyote mask, will plus this critical hit chance and critical damage?

[onyx sage]

you can't go over 60% chc, but the chd from both will add

[surreal depot]

unless

[gentle lichen]

Snek

[onyx sage]

go to sleep

[surreal depot]

ok mom

[hushed mist]

What gear set should I focus on acquiring if I play mainly solo?

[glossy scarab]

always good to have a full set of hunters fury and strikers (and negotiators dilemma if you're into that playstyle)

[hushed mist]

I just started playing again and apparently already have a full set of Negotiators from the last time I plaed lol

[glossy scarab]

oh sweet!

[clever junco]

I have a Level 30 Shield Splinterer in my Stash from years ago. Is there some way to make this a Level 40? Is there any way to get a other Shield Splinterer?

[glossy scarab]

cassie mendoza sells them every week but I dont know if it'll be available if you dont have a character that has completed the hunters required to unlock that item for sale.

[clever junco]

I do. Where is Cassie Mendoza?

[glossy scarab]

you have to locate "the snitch". he has 3 green question marks above his head i think. interact with him and then the shopping carts will show up on your map. the snitch can be in one of many different points on the map so it can take a bit of searching

[upper gale]

wats best build for pvp

ar or smg

[solar sable]

check Prodigy's guide.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c&noteKey=Lwcf9s0bVawZJtN8zjC1O0GGNSpeRdpG5Fr1s88w2t1z2qtqQ_AnNvz4sQ&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fe276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c%2FLwcf9s0bVawZJtN8zjC1O0GGNSpeRdpG5Fr1s88w2t1z2qtqQ_AnNvz4sQ&title=Basic%2BPVP%2BStarters%2BGuide%2B(Y6%2BS1)