td2-build-advice

[versed summit]

You can find lefty in LZ shotgun targeted. So countdown

[covert meadow]

ACS 12 with fast hands better?

[livid ledge]

ty

[versed summit]

Ah true, technically better than rock n roll right now.

[alpine fractal]

¿Algún Español?

[trail summit]

i just got back into this game, is the 4 piece oro/st elmo striker with coyote and fox prayer still the meta dps build?
i see they have added some new armor

[red island]

the meta dps is striker

and always will be

its litterally designed to do one thing : high dps

tho fox prayers arent the best imo

[magic pilot]

Ceska/coyotes, ceska/bloody knuckles for boss burns or ceska/sokolov

[trail summit]

i was always told the damage to out of cover stacks higher than the smg dmg

[hexed steppe]

ceska coyote is top damage

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/-X7Em965yQI?si=TFZvdxd4ePn6fTUP

[hexed steppe]

top damage without chest*

[magic pilot]

Even with chest lol

[trail summit]

so run ceska kneepads instead?

ill watch that vidoe in a sec

[hexed steppe]

ceska oblit chest

chances are in normal content you wont be seeing full stacks. oblit would stack at same time as striker

[trail summit]

oh

i run the groupo for that

[hexed steppe]

so elmo/coyote/ceska has you at 52%chc with juist the secondary rolls on ceska/coyote being chc, rest can be chd rolls/mods.
it allows for about 9% more chd configured that way

[trail summit]

ill need to find a ceska piece and try it out

currently im at 50 chc and123 chd with groupo and coyote

and my watch is 0 and 0 for those 2

[hexed steppe]

solid build ceska oblit/elmo/coyote will be 52%chc/173%chd before coyote buff.
obv with maxed out watch tho

[trail summit]

imma farm countdow until i get a ceska piece and see what it does. thanks for the help

[hexed steppe]

if you prioritize chc buff on watch you can have it maxed out by shd 250 and itll make the rest of your dps building easier

[trail summit]

but i run 4 piece striker chest for countdown

with oro

[hexed steppe]

no doubt, anywhere tanky npcs are then striker chest is a good call 💯

[magic pilot]

This is the legendary build I use, same setup for Ouro @trail summit

[trail summit]

i like that. do u take off chest for easier stuff?

[onyx sage]

easier stuff you either use obliterate chest or just use headhunter

[dreamy valve]

nooo I accidentally deconstructed Acosta's Kneepads

thinking it was the backpack

[magic pilot]

Rip

[tulip charm]

Damn you gotta wait until the end of the season to get another one.

[atomic trench]

Is it worth taking stuff with armor damage buff’s?

[hexed steppe]

talent like sledgehammer, or gear damage to armor like contractors gloves?

[atomic trench]

messed up, i had this dropping

[hexed steppe]

yeah those are solid for some builds. fit good with nego and high end dps

ideally you only want crit damage for dps builds instead of teh health

[atomic trench]

idk how good this is to use

[hexed steppe]

personally i dont think it is. there is an attachment that fits on some weapons that pulses enemies and activates flatline talent, unfortunately it doesnt fit onto dare. if you were using pulse skill and heartbreaker you could circumvent that with using skill and headshots.

dont decon till you get a chance to try out proper tho

there is a pinned spreadsheet in this channel that has a lot of solid builds, all types. youll be able to see some of the gear interactions and what are best in slot items

also lots of info on weapons and all gear/talent types

[atomic trench]

i use hearthbreaker, but well these are mostly now atm to run solo stuff which explains the armor part

i have a full offensive build to

[hexed steppe]

ok cool, as long as you are hitting those headshots and stacking bonus armor youll also be activating flatline on dare

flatline is a really strong talent, i like it a lot on regular rifles

if you have memento bag or a ceska vigilance bag i would swap out the knee to hb and swap to one of those 2 bags. memento will give you 2 more shield tiers, or vigilance will give a big boost to damage

[magic pilot]

Nah I've got them to drop

Got one at lvl 33 lol

[magic pilot]

Turn off the overlay for screenshots

[atomic trench]

also should i rerolled this for the health damage or?

[hexed steppe]

no

you want that 3rd stat to stay put so just optimize over time or roll a second elmo*

[solar sable]

Never take something else than DTTOOC on a DPS build.
LMG's can take CHC as the third attribute, but nothing else.

[hexed steppe]

dttooc is very strong on all weapons that dont come with it as a second stat

[tulip charm]

Deadass?

[magic pilot]

Yea I've got 2 rn in my stash one from the pass one from a cache

And I've had 2 as random drops

[atomic trench]

what are good exotics and named stuff these days to farm use

[magic pilot]

Coyotes, dch, btsu, Elmo's, Scorpio, Ouro, regulus

[atomic trench]

oin the good way then 😛

[hazy steeple]

the tl;dr for Exotics and Named stuff to farm for these days is basically just "check the spreadsheet" and if something is listed in the builds section, go for it.

[atomic trench]

i was taking a look in it but its a bit overwhelming

[hazy steeple]

It absolutely can be, but it's best to think of div2 as a marathon game. You go at it with your own pace.

[magic pilot]

Start with striker, foam, and healer

Those 3 builds can take you through 95% of the games content as the main roles you'll see

[atomic trench]

its sad how good this roll is but how bad the weapon feels

[hot gale]

Hey whats the highest damage semiauto marksman rifle?

[magic pilot]

Probably svd

Counting exotic by far the dread edict

[hoary pine]

Where to find builds?

[versed summit]

Try the spreadsheet pinned to this channel

[hoary pine]

Thanks

[heavy obsidian]

What does the below orange highlight mean I see this but not sure ?

[junior surge]

Do you mean the little triangle pointing up? It shows what value of this attribute you currently have in your library

[glossy scarab]

the orange coloring behind it just means its a max roll

[heavy obsidian]

Oh okay thanks I think I get it now

Whats the points next to player names
I see some are like 65 and other 3214 ?

[pastel crane]

It's an indicator of their SHD level

[heavy obsidian]

But why is mine 0 ?

[pastel crane]

Because you don't have it unlocked yet, I believe

[heavy obsidian]

So is that what I am seeing?

[junior surge]

The number on the left, that is currently at 00000 for you is commendation score

You can go to progression → commendations and claim any you have completed

[heavy obsidian]

Ah I see and thus my SHD level is basically all the caches I picked up in total thus far ?

[junior surge]

Shd level is unlocked once you unlock the shd watch at the end of the game

[pastel crane]

^

[junior surge]

Once you have that watch, you can increase it just by gaining xp, every 700,000xp should give you a level

[heavy obsidian]

Oh I see

[pastel crane]

And up until level 1000, you get points to invest into red, blue, yellow, and green attributes

[heavy obsidian]

I assume I have a long way to go till I get to that point

[junior surge]

Eh, it does take a good bunch of time to get to shd 1000, but it isn't really necessary for anything. You'll deal a bit more damage, and some build threshholds are easier to reach (mainly hazpro), but it doesn't have a huge impact on gameplay.

You can complete any end game pve content with low shd levels

[pastel crane]

Yeah, as long you don't go matchmaking for Heroic Countdown xD

[junior surge]

Matchmade heroic countdown has been a coinflip dumpsterfire in my experience anyways. Challenging is way more chill and has fewer people kicking others because of shd level (which btw imo doesn't say much anyway).

[mossy lake]

anyone know what this is on the acs-12

[onyx sage]

brazen

read the talent on it

[mossy lake]

ok ty

[mossy lake]

was from a vid hence i asked

[graceful pasture]

Pinned posts are pretty old - build calc, DPS calc, and gear doc. Are these still the most current?

[onyx sage]

yes

[hazy steeple]

@graceful pasture They're updated as needed.

[hot gale]

Thinking on making a booster hive build, does skill duration affect the duration of the buff applied to players or only the hive itself? How would i increase the buff duration.

[crystal copper]

Hi im new to the endgame, is it better to wait to get the max roll on attribute to extract into the library before putting it on my gears for a build?

[delicate hill]

i am not a super experienced person... but i feel like yes you should wait since you wont be spending more materials to increase it every time

[solar sable]

You don't spend materials on donating gear to the library/expertise.

[delicate hill]

i was refering to the last part of putting it on their gear for builds

basically... imo wait til stat is maxed to fully dedicate to a build or close to it obvi not worth if you have the minimum percent lol but like i said... im not super experienced in the game so better people probably have better advice 😉

[solar sable]

Your advice was perfect, just pointed that out.

[red island]

skill duration only affect the duration of the hive, not the buff, to upgrade the buff you need a stim efficiency mod and skill efficiency on some gear bonus but its not worth it tbh

[red island]

yes, but getting a good roll is fine to extract so you dont end up with library saying you can extract everything everytime and you can focus on whats maxed

[red island]

ah mb thought you were talking about saving the stat not putting it on gear
in that case, just do it if the difference is big, you dont care about upgrading a stat if its just 1%, but like 10% ? yeah, go upgrade

[urban latch]

Booster isn't really something you build around. Typically you'll run it on a typical DPS build and place it once your healer gives the group overcharge. It'll get boosted to 32 charges which is great for boss burns.

[proud slate]

Does weapon handling as a second minor attribute improve oxi stability?

[red island]

weapon handling improve everything, reload time, stability, accuracy, etc, cause its not great to do damage, but its good if you arent good at aiming

[vestal ibex]

Yes, you might see people also using the glory daze as it gives your held chem the guns talent of 100% stability. You can also make your oxy builds with WH on them if you know you aren't gonna need the skill haste at all.

[glossy scarab]

this will go up if i expertise the weapon right?

good range too on SR1 with an optimal range attachment. compared to 45 for model 700

[onyx sage]

no, the all weapons damage bonus goes up, but it has the same effect anyway

[glossy scarab]

oh i see thanks

[hexed steppe]

Yes but it doesnt matter. Weapon attributes affect oxi like mentioned above. The only thing really worth is having dta and/or dttooc on the weapon you're holding when you pull oxi out. You would normally just use an in sync shotgun and capacitor with dta/dttooc. Chatterbox is basically the only other weapon that really makes oxi shine, but its impractical outside of very niche usage. But hey, shooting oxi out faster than the reload animation is pretty dope.😅

[glossy scarab]

ah with my last 5 zwia materials i crafted one chest and hit the jackpot. only needed two mini optimizations. perfect for my capacitor and MP7 strikers build. those 7 extra rounds help the capacitor out a lot to me

[onyx sage]

lady death:

jk i don't even know if i have it

[tulip charm]

yeah ld can make it work since its based on mag size now

[glossy scarab]

that too

[red island]

shit thats impressive

[tawdry flare]

NBB Lady Death meta

Picaro+HF+NBB should be good

[red island]

i love picaro

having dps while still having some armor is neat

and you dont lose a talent

[tulip charm]

🤔

[versed summit]

Most of the time it’s just a trap, not worth the loss in crit. It does work well on a chunk of builds tho

[jagged marlin]

Depends, if you use a shield, the one blue core, if you keep it blue gives 40% shield health

You'd need to calculate the time to osp between having the shield and the time to kill drop from losing out on chd

[versed summit]

No you just take ceska instead with a blue core

[jagged marlin]

Ye that's just straight up better, but what if you already have a ceska chest

Grupo would give 27 crit

[onyx sage]

so smart

[red island]

dont need the 6% crit chance or the 12% crit damage when you can get 170k armor instead imo

like crit chance and damage are cool, but whats cooler is staying alive

[jagged marlin]

But yea, I think in almost every instance it's better to just turn something else to blue than to run picarios

[versed summit]

You can have the armor either way. It’s 27 CHD or 12 CHD and 10 CHC vs 15 WD. It’s better to take the crit.

[red island]

ah you meant the 15% weapon damage

idk, on 60% crit chance, 27 chd is an average of 14.4% damage

if you arent on 60% chc yeah the chc +12 chd might be better

[jagged marlin]

the 15 awpd is like 11% if you have 15 expertise

Now if you have more blues then picarios becomes worth

[red island]

wym

[jagged marlin]

Usually a build has around 145 all weapon damage, if you have lvl 15 experitse.

So with one blue you'd be at 130. adding 15 awpd is only a change of 11.5%

[red island]

ah yes its additive

[magic pilot]

Picaors is strong on PvP builds, one of the best options

[red island]

yeah but

[magic pilot]

For gearsets in pve I wouldn't use it

[red island]

if you have like 150% chd already, wouldnt it work the same if you had 12% chd ?

since its additive too

[jagged marlin]

Yea, at 150% chd adding 27 chd will only amount to an overall dps increase of 10.8%

[magic pilot]

Yes but chd is more likely to give more dmg

Over WD

[red island]

higher damage number yes, higher damage overall i dont think so

like you will have low blue numbers and high gold numbers showing, but the damage over time will be the same approx

while i would have higher blue numbers and lower gold numbers

[jagged marlin]

Really depends on the build, for a gearset it's always better to have more chd, due to the inherent lack of substats

[red island]

well obviously the best thing is to spread your stats since they are multiplicative (except crit and hs i think)

like getting armor damage + crit chance + weapon damage is better than having only weapon or only armor or only crit damage

and health damage etc

also stuff like weapon damage and a specific weapon damage are multiplicative too ?

i should run the numbers on this imo

[vestal ibex]

It's gonna be less no matter how you slice it, then the more armor keeps me alive is a situational/skill issue so idk man.

[magic pilot]

10% WD vs 15% chd on a normal all red striker build are within 1% of each other in dps

[red island]

i dont use armor cause i need it, i use it cause its easier

id rather have fun than tryhard tbh

[magic pilot]

That is straight up false

[red island]

???

[magic pilot]

If that was the case no one would run all red

[red island]

wym

[magic pilot]

Easier and less effort are not the same

[red island]

well english isnt my first language

but yeah i mean less effort

[jagged marlin]

Granted at 26 expertise, one red core makes like 0.04s difference in time to kill, so going one blue or red barely would make a noticeable difference unless in high health content like incursion, 4 player legendary

[vestal ibex]

It all matters while non of it matters.

[magic pilot]

Tbf I'd rather run all red and just clear faster

Although I do use memento and tech class to buff the shield when I play solo

[red island]

yeah to each their playstyle

[jagged marlin]

But you'd get a 27% ish time to die improvement if you combine the one blue core and shield

[red island]

obviously if you want more damage, you're gonna run all red 0 defensive stat

[magic pilot]

That's entirely debatable

There's no way to actually test that

[red island]

depends vs what, on heroic you can run 2 blue core and still get oneshot vs bosses/chungas

[jagged marlin]

Well yea, it's mostly an estimate given an npc does 750k dps

[red island]

i want to make more builds now lol

and try some stuff

[magic pilot]

Best part of the game

[red island]

yeah, spending 3 days 20h/day creating the build, testing it, then running a single mission with it and never touching it again

then repeat until you die

[jagged marlin]

Wait, actually about piacrios

It's not a trap if you don't have that much expertise

If you run elmos, you can get 149 chd with ceska chest plate

[versed summit]

It still is tbh, you'd actually be better off just taking Coyote's and rolling a blue striker piece.

[jagged marlin]

I haven't run the numbers with coyotes, but if you didn't choose coyotes, and ran grupo ceska, with elmos, with no expertise, picario wins easy

[vestal ibex]

Elmo stat stick op

[pastel crane]

Elmo is Elmorated

[magic pilot]

Are you comparing with picaros rolled chc?

[jagged marlin]

Yea

[versed summit]

Depends on how much HSD you hit

[jagged marlin]

I mean even if you add a normal high end ar with strained, that add an average of 30% crit damage per mag, might still make picario worth it you don't have any expertise

[versed summit]

You'd need to hit about 50% HSD for Picaro's to be better, then it just gets worse the more expertise you have

[jagged marlin]

What do you mean?

[vestal ibex]

I mean you aren't forgetting the brand set loss right?

[jagged marlin]

27 crit damage from 149 is only a 10.8% dps increase (actually not accurate? because I rounded up the crit chance from 58 to 60)

15 awpd at no expertise is a 13% dps increase

[versed summit]

AWD is multiplicative to HSD, and CHD is additive.

[magic pilot]

You aren't doing this right lol

[jagged marlin]

Eh? Where am I wrong?

[magic pilot]

How are you calculating this?

27 from 149 is a 10.8% dps increase or just a 10.8% increase to crit stats

[jagged marlin]

It's an overall dps increase

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage why's math nerd here

[onyx sage]

🛏️

[surreal depot]

Bro is supposed to be working

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19MJAocqwBIeWVVd0rU_51RfLday2rig1h-QykeilFiA/edit?usp=sharing

Calculated this out

[onyx sage]

why'd you swap chd and chc

[jagged marlin]

Uhh, why does it say 58 chd?

[versed summit]

I just notice lols

[vestal ibex]

rekt

[versed summit]

Heck

[vestal ibex]

You know who notices 1.33% difference?

[magic pilot]

0 expertise?

[versed summit]

0

[gentle lichen]

The enemies. Ion know who else tho

[jagged marlin]

Wait a minute, something is wrong here

I can't put my finger on it, but does twd work differently with chd?

[versed summit]

No

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message This?

[timid marten]

Hi so this IS the build i was to do get now that i have these what should i do farm for better pieces or something else

[versed summit]

I’d keep farming for ceska to get a better chest. Getting a FAMAS/F2000/St. Elmo’s Engine, and an ACS-12 would be good too. Also crit damage mods.

Either one of those in whichever order tbh.

I’d get this build a little more ironed out before farming other builds though IMO

[timid marten]

For the ceska pieces i shoule try to get the 15% on this one and all the others and only offensif sub stats then focusing on the weapons?

[versed summit]

As long as you get a chest with Crit chance, Crit damage and obliterate, you’re fine, I wouldn’t worry about max rolls

[timid marten]

Ok because dmg wuse i'm doing 200k to 450k max

@timid marten the weapon are they easy to get and how please ?

[versed summit]

Weapons are pretty easy to get, just go into countdown and target loot ARs

[timid marten]

@versed summit oh that simple same with Stats Crit rate/dmg

[versed summit]

For the guns you want damage to targets out of cover optimally

[timid marten]

Wich skills should i use

@versed summit oh okay

[versed summit]

Revive and shield tbh

[timid marten]

Alr thx

[urban latch]

Picaros is WD, not TWD. So if you've got 115% WD from 5 red cores, adding Picaros brings you to 130%, which is 7% difference.

You getting 13% I think is you doing 130/115, but you have to keep in mind these are % differences, so it's 2.3/2.15

[jagged marlin]

Not what I asked, and I don't think adding 15 to 115 is a 7% difference

Because this would be the equation right?
Percentage Change = ((New Value - Original Value) / Original Value) * 100

[jagged marlin]

So 15/115 * 100 is a 13% change, not 7%

[onyx sage]

you got new value and original value wrong basically

it's not 115 but 215

because awd multiplier is 1+awd

[urban latch]

so when your comparing percents you need that 1+, since think about if you didnt have a certain type of damage you dont suddenly do 0 damage. So its (1+WD%+15%)/ (1+WD%). If you start with 115% WD, then its (1+1.15+.15)/(1+1.15)

[red island]

what would you keep between chc, hsd and armor damage on a elmo

[urban latch]

keep rolling for dtooc

[red island]

cant really keep rolling lol

[jagged marlin]

Aaaaah I see,

[polar kayak]

Can anyone make me skill build please 🙏🏽no clue where to fine decent builds from

[urban latch]

Check the pins, theres a google doc with a ton of info and build guides

[polar kayak]

👀

[red island]

wait, what does determine your proficiency level ? the number of item you got to rank 10 ?

[vestal ibex]

Just how many ranks you even have is totaled up.

Doesn't have to be rank 10, just think of every rank increase as adding to your expertise level progression.

[jagged marlin]

Thanks, the +1 was the issue

[red island]

so if i have all weapon skill and gear rank 10, i would have a crazy number of expertise lvl ?

thats insane lol

that mean i can go up to lvl 394 proficient

so +394% damage and armor xd

[vestal ibex]

Wat?

Max expertise level is 26.

[red island]

ah rip

that would have been fun tho xd

[vestal ibex]

It takes like TONS of items to get 1 expertise level.

[red island]

yeah i know it goes up the higher you go too

[vestal ibex]

It's kinda a bell curve tbh

It'll go up and then back down.

[red island]

really ?

like the last lvl cost nothing ?

[vestal ibex]

90 on the later levels.

[red island]

thats weird, why did they make a system like that

[vestal ibex]

Everything makes sense if you don't think about it.

[red island]

the exotic ones will be the hardest to max out tho

since i dont even have them all

[vestal ibex]

Most of us just use them or donate mats.

[red island]

i guess i'll use ressources

yeah thats the right call

like bighorn, i def will never get it xd

[vestal ibex]

5% chance from named enemies in legendary diff, not actually that hard to get.

Most farm F10 boss for it.

[red island]

well its kinda hard when you dont have a group and cant handle legendary alone xd

[vestal ibex]

People will help, all you gotta do is ask.

[red island]

maybe

we'll see bout that

now that im thinking about it

thank fucking god we dont have to lvl up expertise of mods for gear and skills xd

[magic pilot]

I got one for someone yesterday took us 1 floor 90 run

One of my friends is expertise 23 at 1600 shd

[hexed steppe]

funny sidenote, you can hit exp 23 with nothing proficient (assuming all items/skills are prof 9/10)

[versed summit]

Lol

[half scroll]

whats the best shield splinterer roll?

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[half scroll]

opinions on this for a PvE status effect build? saw a guy in the DZ running it and it seems solid

[hexed steppe]

no, just no 😅

[onyx sage]

pvp and pve builds are different

[hexed steppe]

for pve youll want eclipse, with ep bag/vile mask/eletrique piece. best with fire. ep bag gives a 30% amp with no incoming damage boost like glass

when an npc dies, eclipse causes status to spread to anything within range. by far the strongest

[half scroll]

okay

i want a solid status effect build and havent been able to find much, saw this guy and wasnt sure what it was

[hexed steppe]

yeah eclipse is really solid. youll probably want the ep chest with theep bag. creeping death is used in a foam crowd control version, but youll want damage version if using vile. so like fire sticky, fire chem launcher

so something like this. notable alternative weapon is capacitor instead of scorpio. you can also use firewall if you want a little more duration to fire. survivalist gives your team 10% damage against npcs that are affected by status

[half scroll]

ah okay

appreciate it

[hexed steppe]

a crowd control version would look similar to this, but all rolls would be status/haste, mask would be eletrique, and bag would most likely be courier named habsburg with perfect creeping death.
skills would be riot foam and emp/fire sticky,jammer pulse, shock traps,blinder

both fire and general cc is in the pinned sheet under eclipse

[hexed steppe]

some of your other highend pieces from the build above could be used in a mortar setup. keep sacrifice, replace bag with china light named strategic alignment, keep 1 wyvern and add 3 empress with skill damage/haste and demo spec. a sacrifice like that is really nice to have for mortar, turret/drone, and oxi style builds

[half scroll]

gotcha

im working on putting together all the builds i want to have, and it looks like EP is definitely going to be two of them

so much countdown farming is in my future

[hot gale]

Hey is there a perfect opportunistic

[hazy steeple]

Yep! It's a Uzina Getica backpack called "The Setup".
has 15% instead of 10% amplified damage.

[versed summit]

Also 1000% worth it over normal Oppurtunistic

[dull ermine]

So I’ve been having problems one shotting buddy and Lucy with my build

Punch drunk, PGC, DCH, walker harris bag w vigilance, contractors, foxes

I get that contractors might not be needed but for the sake of argument, what would be the reason my build fails to make the shot even with overwatch / Scorpio / busy little bee / DCH

I don’t have everything maxed, the chest is halfway on HSD same with BP

I Know about habsguard gloves or 2 pc alraldi but before I go with that I’d like to see if my current build is the issue

I don’t run CHC because my pieces are from my regulus chainkiller build

[glossy scarab]

mayve dodge city holster could help

[versed summit]

He has DCH

[glossy scarab]

just saw it my bad

[onyx sage]

how close are you to one-shotting?

[dull ermine]

It leaves about 1 armor bar left on Lucy

[onyx sage]

probably have someone run FI too

[dull ermine]

There is someone running it for overcharge usually when I’m trying

[onyx sage]

ah okay since you didn't list it

i think switching walker & harris to habsburg will probably cut it aside from also optimizing your hsd rolls

[dull ermine]

I don’t have expertise either

[onyx sage]

hsd is very important as achilles double dips into it

[dull ermine]

I’d like to go habsguard it’s just that I don’t have mats to craft it

The weaves, I already crafted 999 worth lol

[onyx sage]

expertise will make w&h redundant yeah

but might not be that worth because dch gives a ton of awd

[dull ermine]

I was trying to use the barebones version of the game to get it to work since not every time I have all these buffs

[magic pilot]

Wouldn't striker one shot be better?

[dull ermine]

I could expertise

[dull ermine]

Never done it

Idk what it requires

[magic pilot]

Since you can stack on warhounds before one shot

4 striker, DCH, contractors or punch drunk can't remember what's stronger

[onyx sage]

think punch drunk is stronger

[dull ermine]

I have habsgard gloves and 2 pc alraldi…. Could go this route

Other people who run the build I have seen to get the one shot

[onyx sage]

nah drop the 2p airaldi

1 wasted brand slot

[dull ermine]

But I think it’s cause of the crit

[magic pilot]

Chc/hsd

[onyx sage]

if you crit, at base you do 45% more damage even with no chd investment

nah hsd dilution, forgor

[dull ermine]

How much crit you need

[onyx sage]

chc where possible

chc + hsd are your attri rolls

[dull ermine]

I’ve been told drop contractors for ceska

Or run 2 pc providence

[magic pilot]

Eh not worth

Chc doesn't matter that much for one shot

At the end of the day you either crit or don't

[tulip charm]

Oh so its possible to one shot buddy lucy without doing blb stacks?

Granted Im seeing older oneshot before sledgehammer was added.

[magic pilot]

Yes you can

[tulip charm]

I see

[dull ermine]

That’s what I was saying plus you’ll be below 30% anyways u need coyotes

[gentle lichen]

This goober worth keeping?

[dull ermine]

As a unicorn piece sure otherwise it’s not gonna help with your damage which is what you want for HSD

[urban latch]

No, that's how you get your stash filled with junk

[glass pebble]

Eclipse is a lot of fun in Countdown. I’d skip the Vile mask for countdown - the NPCs health pools are too large, the ticks are about worthless, you’d be with something like else, an Electrique piece or Golan with a yellow core.

Also, it’d be really useful if you put together a full Disrupt resistance version of EP too. It’ll make extraction so much easier. It wouldn’t be too hard to get it put together. If I run EP, I’ll use the main version with skill haste during the encounters/main objective and then swap to the disrupt resistance version before going outside. If the extraction area is close, the game may not let you change loadouts, so I’d just have the pieces put together with their appropriate mods, filter your gear so they are at the top, so it’ll only take a couple seconds to switch.

[crystal rock]

Theoretically you could roll Headshot Damage into Crit Damage but even then, you'd be mixing weapon dmg with skill dmg and you'd have to find other pieces of gear to push that - is it worth it? No.

[cyan drift]

countdown vendor this week has something pretty good, cassie will have it tomorrow

HSD/CHC grupo holster at clan vendor as well

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[cyan drift]

otherwise seems fairly lackluster this week, but still better than the previous two weeks for sure

there's a repair skills + haste palside backpack with opportunistic at DZ south, but that's gonna be a real weird build

castle vendor has this (damage to armor), which isn't a white death, but still alright

[urban latch]

Tbh since we can craft sr-1 s and m700s, it's generally just better to craft MMRs

[tawdry flare]

With the max roll character feature

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure its fixed now since they mentioned it for the maintenance

[red island]

we need someone to try it

[glossy scarab]

I'll test it but it's gonna take a few

[magic pilot]

Solid setup, 2 things though. Your message is probably gonna get deleted and ceska over picaros

for pvp that backpack is one of the worst options

Also chc>dta on lmgs

[urban latch]

Unstoppable in pvp is not a good idea...

[glossy scarab]

looks like its fixed

[urban latch]

Apparently no one uses the iron lung in pvp lol

[gentle lichen]

Huh? No?

[urban latch]

Your misunderstanding what experience does on the defender drone. If your defender drone prevents 10% damage, and you have 25 experience, it's 10% x 1.25, so 25 experience goes from preventing 10% to 12.5%

[glossy scarab]

That's way more expensive than a max damage reduction mod

[gentle lichen]

But still is a plus after you have the max mod attached already

[half cosmos]

what do u guys think?

[glossy scarab]

True. I use both max mods and like 15 exp

[gentle lichen]

Dealing with anything that doesn't have a head will be a pain

[half cosmos]

i have pulse for that reason

[gentle lichen]

Use technician with a weapon that can have the llp applied

[half cosmos]

llp?

[gentle lichen]

Uptime?

Linked laser pointer

[half cosmos]

11 sec i guess XD

[urban latch]

You'll want to setup HB differently than strikers. Ideally with the chest but not the backpack. And with technician/spotter like others are saying

[magic pilot]

never seen it

[half cosmos]

what tallent on bag would u suggest?

[urban latch]

Vigilance. When you get bonus armor from HB, damage to the bonus armor (or a shield) won't deactivate vigilance, which makes it even stronger than normal on HB

[hazy steeple]

@daring jungle No self promo stuff.

[half cosmos]

but my main gun is also elmo cannot fit llp on it so what to do?

swapt to shield breaker?

[half cosmos]

so cheska viligance?

[urban latch]

Ideally yeah

[half cosmos]

just when i thoght i got the ideal roll on the bag dangit welp ok

[tulip charm]

I use it and I've seen some people use as well.

annoying ass gun

[half cosmos]

also mainreason i farmed HB and horn was cause i remeber few months ago someone with that setup was WHOOPING ppl in DZ

[magic pilot]

He knows lol, I'm messing with him

[tulip charm]

:p

[hazy steeple]

I keep seeing Cheska, I still can not work out why you'd add an extra letter.
If it's for the Chest part, then I vote we start calling it a Backpackeska.

Kneeska, Maseska, etceska.

[tulip charm]

Also I need you to dm me a toxic regulus build

or all of them

[gentle lichen]

Somebody say regulus

[tulip charm]

Regulus

[gentle lichen]

Been maining these setups.
Open to suggestions if some pieces should be replaced

[tulip charm]

what about one w/ pgc

too squishy?

[magic pilot]

Crit reg is crazy

Think 2 improv is stronger

[gentle lichen]

I know it's strong but i personally don't use glass

[gentle lichen]

Think i have 2 impro holster and knees

I'll try

[tulip charm]

Just making one for farming in the dz and I'll probably build the one with haz and imitidate if I want to be extra toxic

[fallow condor]

Is there any DPS/tanky hybrid builds for legendary missions? Don’t have to have a ton of armor but also don’t want to get 1 shot

[stiff jasper]

pvp or pve?
if pve chest + vigilance
if pvp chest + backpack

[stiff jasper]

people use iron lung
the base damage is good
and fire status apply are benefit when fight with no hazard
basically elmo but less violence

[urban latch]

I was joking about a now deleted video that made that claim, I'm well aware it's one of the most obnoxious weapons commonly used in pvp

[stiff jasper]

oh, i feel sad because i am too late and i can't watch the video🤣

[tulip charm]

xd

[hazy steeple]

You didn't miss much.

[red island]

last conflict match i played i had a mate with iron lung

[stiff jasper]

i have watch the video finally, unstopped is problem, cathrasis is problem, and basically he just harvest people who really low, and his opponent play like bot actually

[plain girder]

U wanna be toxic with iron lung try the fire holster with creeping death status effect everything creeping death armor regen mby 40% haz pro to survive sticky burn and survivalist thats a rlly good conflict support build

[red island]

yeah conflict is about what is the most toxic build lol

[jagged marlin]

Oooh does the fire holster work in dz as well?

[red island]

i dont think so

[versed summit]

Tbh i thought it did 🤷‍♂️

[magic pilot]

it works in dz yes

[wise swallow]

wouldnt call those firee builds toxic

more like smart, you cannot shoot and they do decent dmg

if you really hate it use haz pro

[red island]

preventing players to play is kinda toxic tbh$

[wise swallow]

how is that preventing players to play

its a build based game their using something that gives them an advntage

thats the whole point of builds to gain an advantage

if you dont like that advantage counter it

[red island]

cc in any games are a delicate thing to balance

cause landing a cc is nice and needed often to win a game

but you can very fast end up with the enemy player just not wanting to play anymore since they arent allowed to play anyway if they get perma cc

ah cmon automod

especially with a cc that says "its impossible to dodge"

[plain girder]

Yea usually if people go lengo on me i go bunk lets see if they like that 🤣

Now if u just suffer the whole game on fire and just complain about u sumthn else theres ways 2 counter all that stuff

[wise swallow]

its not impossible to dodge

haz pro is very easy to build lol

[red island]

haz pro isnt a dodge

[plain girder]

True or even a simple booster hive would help if u just dont wanna use 1

[red island]

its tenacity

[wise swallow]

its a 100% guaranteed dodge every single time

[red island]

its like saying a shield shield is a dodge for bullet lol

thats not a dodge, you just reduce the damage

you cant dodge the proc

[wise swallow]

booster hive, having someone on your team using cava

[wise swallow]

its immunity

[red island]

yeah, thats my point

you end up in games where cc are irrelevants

so you cant run foam launcher for example, cause they have immunity

[rich cosmos]

Haz pro isn’t just immunity, the damage just simply doesn’t register, it might as well be dodging damage

[red island]

dodging imply skill

[rich cosmos]

No it doesn’t

[red island]

there is no skill involved in that holster

[stiff jasper]

if fire build preventing players to play is toxic
then you use hazard to preventing player preventing you to play = you toxic them back

[red island]

not really, people will just not build any cc, not just fire, cause your anti cc build made every other cc irrelevant

having a bit of cc is fine, being unable to play isnt, and no cc isnt either

[wise swallow]

holy lord this conversation is autistic. Haz pro is a bypass to all CC builds, if you hate CC builds switch to haz pro

its really as simple as that

[red island]

i love how u use my condition as an insult

[stiff jasper]

if a fire skill build can't burn people then he useless, that's why u should use hazard

[red island]

really love the vibe

and you still missed the point

[rich cosmos]

No one knew, he called you it because you act dumb enough to clearly be on the spectrum

[wise swallow]

division PVP is about build countering. your complaining about something that is a core fundamental of division PVP

[red island]

yeah, thats cause u use it derogatory

when you shouldnt

[rich cosmos]

I hate div pvp but if you are going into and actively not building against the players you hate then you are playing it wrong

[half cosmos]

trial for around ravenous

[red island]

yeah and ?

i didnt imply to not build haz pro

[half cosmos]

i know obli for rifle is not recomended will get something else

is it that bad that it deservs no reply?

[wise swallow]

I dont know anything about rav

I dont evne have the gun

[magic pilot]

I think we should all move on from the previous conversation

[rich cosmos]

We just did

[half cosmos]

its a riffle shoot from rhs sholder adds offensive buffs blows up scales with wep damage denoates blue buffs

shoot from left sholder adds blue buffs (dmg to armor temp armor) denotaes red buffs

[rich cosmos]

Cool exotic bad execution

[half cosmos]

bufs are doubbled at 10 stacs

gun has 2 barels so 1 shot =2 hits

[rich cosmos]

That actually can apply to all the exotic rifles

[gentle lichen]

If only the pvp rifle modifier wasn't shit i'da used it

[half cosmos]

this for PVe

[magic pilot]

You ever seen the guy use it in dz?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i know but its uses are niche.
Most are just for one shot strats

[stiff jasper]

honestly the climate of pvp in eu are pretty funny and i never understand
if you hate status and skill build, why don't you use hazard or cavalier or something else
people always blame skill, status, door camp, but never think about how to against
and keep complain and request to opponent "No XXX" and "No XXXX"
it is not csgo, guns are not only content of division and skill and something else are legal in division

[gentle lichen]

I seen someone with a ninja build using the 1 pc breakpoint and a number of other stuff

[magic pilot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XwNZl0TYZWk?si=-o7239-ZIdga1AQY

[half cosmos]

i will never understand pvp builds

[wise swallow]

ok these players are borderline lobotomized

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[wise swallow]

bro didnt get shot a single time while stacking rav

and then they did 0 DPS while face trading

[gentle lichen]

It's PlayStation

So funny in here

[half cosmos]

i was in dz yesterday and 1 mil armor+ balsitic SHREADED in 2 sec NO PULSE

[rich cosmos]

I remember this one clip with like 50+ likes on xbox of just dark zone pvp and half the 30 second video was just running in circles

Div pvp is the pvp of all time

It has its moments I’ll give it that

[red island]

this is not what i said tho

my take isnt directed at players, its directed at the balance of the game

[gentle lichen]

Maybe in conflict i'd somewhat agree because no shd bonus doesn't affect status builds but affects hazpro

In dz you literally just run a counter

There's nothing stopping you from running a 100% fire resist or anything

[stiff jasper]

don't know what is your definition about balance
for me it is balance because you are able counter status effect by hazard protection
if one thing dominant ALL other things then it is not balance, for example double barrel in tu4 tu6
there always something good and something bad, never all things are 50 50

[red island]

build counters are a good thing, but there is a wide gap between "my build counter yours so i have an advantage" and "my build make me immune to you so i can litterally dance in front of you and still win"

if pvp is only a rock paper cisor kind of thing, why even fight ? just let the game check who has the build who win and just end the game, why bother shooting at all

you won the paper vs rock gj

skill expression should happen in builds, but also outside

like aiming, decision making, skill usage, teamplay, etc

[magic pilot]

It does though

[stiff jasper]

yes it is rock paper cisor , and that is exactly how you pvp in div2
you won't expect a healer build are able to fight dps build right?

[red island]

im not talking healer vs dps

yes obviously healer shouldnt win vs dps

and i know thats how you pvp in div 2 right now and thats why im saying its not good

i litterally said im talking about the balance

[gentle lichen]

You chose to go status effects to gain the advantage of foaming/firing/shocking the target allowing you an easy win. You should accept the risk of where a hazpro person may come around

[stiff jasper]

you are not talking healer vs dps, then how you compare fire build( can't solo) with dps build (able to solo)

[gentle lichen]

Also your point of skill expression can be invalidated by status
Wanna use your sharp aim? No get set on fire.
Wanna show your sick moves? No stay in the ground by foam

[red island]

did anybody read my message entirely or did you all skipped where i said its normal to have an advantage if you have the counter build ?

i specifically said, having an advantage is normal, but outright invincibility/immunity isnt

[red island]

cant do that with haz pro tho, thats why im talking about it

[gentle lichen]

Also you're thinking that having complete immunity doesn't come with it's disadvantages too.
Your damage would be much lower to that of a normal build that isn't focused on hazpro

[red island]

who cares about having less damage, just run any cc on your build, if they got no haz pro you win cause they cant play

and if they got you're even

[gentle lichen]

Hazpro also doesn't affect skill damage. Only the status part.

[red island]

if they play skill damage and not cc then use cc on them

and they cant play

if they dont got haz pro they lose

(im simplying it obviously)

[stiff jasper]

i know what you explain, and you are the one who don't understand
if transfer to rpg wording
fire vs hazard = mage vs tank with heavy purposive
the compatibility are really bad and huge
is fire build able to solo kill immunity? of course yes but 1% chance

[urban latch]

Your really low on crit. Try looking into the standard high end DPS build. Losing things like contractors and Picaros in exchange for 3p providence along with 1p ceska will help get your crit up. The rav has no chc mods, so it needs tons of chc on the build

[red island]

no, you do not take into account everything i said, in your exemple that would be like saying your tank with purpoise is tanky + has cc, so any damage build wont be able to do damage cause they need hazpro do deal anything

if you cant play you cant deal damage

any damage build wont be able to do anything if they get cc

[stiff jasper]

you have your guns although the damage are pathetic, it still a damage
your can't apply status effect so you can't deals the part of dot damage but the part of skill damage are available, it still a damage
that's why i said 1%

[red island]

you cant aim if you're on fire

and you cant use skills if you're disrupted

[stiff jasper]

you still can shoot if you're on fire, you just lost crit

[red island]

yes i didnt say you cant shoot, i said you cant aim

that mean you lose a LOT of damage

while they dont

meaning they win, while in theory lacking damage vs your build

therefore any build that has not hazpro in it, lose vs hazpro that has cc

thats my entire point

[gentle lichen]

Outplays happen and that depends on a person's skill.

[red island]

not really, better build = win, you said it yourself, cc stops you from displaying your skills

[red island]

right here

thats why i have a pb with cc in this game

(in pvp)

[stiff jasper]

for example:

[gentle lichen]

If we're talking full status i'd agree
If we're talking random players with meta that just happens to have foam in their hand you will outplay them

[red island]

disrupt or fire on you : you cant use or aim it making it useless, and even if you could, they got hazpro anyway they will survive and mow you down

[red island]

ofc we talk about full status immunity, not just random joe with a shit build that doesnt even know how to use their mouse

that means literally, you got 2 things to deny the enemy from playing, your cc to make them not move/aim/use skills/etc, and your hazpro so stop the enemy from doing that to you

[gentle lichen]

I stopped worrying about cc a long time ago when i'd just run hazpro and call it a day.
They only really appear to be a nuisance when in a multigroup

What you really should worry about is determined but that's just me

[red island]

how is determined a problem ? juste cc them, they cant kill you

[dull ermine]

Does striker shield buff damage to buddy and Lucy one shot?

[onyx sage]

yes

[dull ermine]

Well then

I came up with this variant

Rolled crit chance instead of weapon handling

Sitting at 238 hsd and 54 crit

How would this work?

[versed summit]

Not the KVD fit tho

[dull ermine]

I did a KVD raid yesterday 😂

[versed summit]

That shouldn’t be a thing lol

[onyx sage]

no

[dull ermine]

No to the raid or to the build?

👁️

[onyx sage]

no

[versed summit]

Lmao

[dull ermine]

So the build

[magic pilot]

What the freak

[tulip charm]

53 min? Is it a ftc?

[magic pilot]

No it's a KvD raid...

[tulip charm]

Omg...

[magic pilot]

That's new group pb

[dull ermine]

Commendations plus screwing around on buddy Lucy lol

We did rapid response for boomer

[half scroll]

whats a good substitute for EB in this build?

[gentle lichen]

The weapon next to it

Elmo. Famas

[half scroll]

okay, i have shield splinter so thats good

[wise swallow]

anything

ouro, a vector

famas

actually dont use a vector, use famas before you touch a vector that isnt ouro

[magic pilot]

Famas, shield splinterer, Elmo is ok option

That build is so familiar....

[half scroll]

you are an amazing individual my friend

i LOVED div 1 DZ pvp, and ive been craving it

having the starter build resource is so helpful

im gonna run it until i get my oreo, then im gonna switch it up

[pastel crane]

I assume that's a PvP build?

[half scroll]

yep

[pastel crane]

You don't mind if I give it a try, yeah?

[half scroll]

nahhh, i found it in the spreadsheet in the pins

[pastel crane]

Ah cool

[half scroll]

just got a catharsis, this build or a build with that mask?

i think im gonna run this instead

[wise swallow]

catharsis isnt great imo

but theres varying opinions

[magic pilot]

It's all personal preference on catharsis, some players love it some hate it

[wise swallow]

Some players are correct, some are wrong

[glass pebble]

That build, the second one you posted, is definitely meant for somebody running an SMG as their primary. If you’re planning on using the Shield Splinterer like you said earlier, that’s not a good option at all.

And I strongly agree with the person above who said Catharsis isn’t all that great. PvP encounters don’t usually last long enough for you to even get the stacks up unless you’re both chicken dancing all over the place. Obviously you want strong survivability in PvP, but with that build, you’re pretty much shooting marshmallows unless you’re near max stack on Catharsis.

[undone stump]

I use the hell out of Catharsis in PVE, a staple of my builds, but I tend to agree for PVP and by extension do not run it.

That being said my DZ build is the antithesis of survivability, I'm made out of paper but I shoot like an A10 Warthog so players drop like flies

[half scroll]

how much does the DZ targeted loot affect what drops you get?

also, whats the best way to get good gear mods? countdown farming?

[solar sable]

Highly recommended Legendary Summit to get max mods

[hexed steppe]

can pretty much get all the dz exclusives outside of the dz anyways.. well except for yaahl since its supposed to be removed from clan vendor.
named caches (named exclusives) + legacy caches ( system corruption)

[undone stump]

In other news, I rolled my ouro like 8 times until I finally got dmg to armor and then optimized the other two... Now I kinda wanna make it dmg to target out of cover but I feel like I'm wasting so many resources

I settled on dmg to armor because I was already 8 deep and that was a pretty good roll considering even though targets out of cover was the intention from the get go

[glossy scarab]

get yourself another one and put dtoc on that

i got super lucky and got a perfect roll my third reconfig

[undone stump]

My buddy says that too but I can't think of a reason to even have two, why not just reroll it if thats the correct stat?

I've so far not been in the business of keeping multiple exotics, I generally keep the current best one and if I actually use it, roll it properly and optimize.

[glossy scarab]

well since they already put optimization materials into it, i would be hesitant to re roll it

[undone stump]

That's what I'm mad about, but to be fair it was like one roll on two slots... So it wasn't a significant amount

[glossy scarab]

oh thats good

[undone stump]

But I probably need to farm it to max it out again if I roll till I get targets out of cover

[glossy scarab]

yea or maybe you get a super good roll

[undone stump]

So I could probably guarantee myself the substat by rolling more and then just... potentially have lower crit chance and smg damage for a little bit

[undone stump]

Also true

[glossy scarab]

at least expertise stays after reconfigurations

[undone stump]

I really think I should just reroll it again because it's turning into my number 1 weapon choice for both PVE and PVP

[undone stump]

I'm not super high, I'm at 6 max right now and I've invested my ouro up to +5% weapon damage

Are you telling me that 5% stays after I reroll it...?

[glossy scarab]

yep

[undone stump]

Because I figured that was another sunken cost but one that also is acceptable but not favorable

[undone stump]

Damn

Let me get you a pic of my current one real quick

[glossy scarab]

yea def

[undone stump]

I think this came out at like 19% crit and 4 or 5% armor

So not terrible, also this is on my heartbreaker build so it's lower damage I know but it just works lol

[glossy scarab]

you can totally use it with dta but when i compared an ouro dta to one with dtoc it was a pretty substantial difference

[undone stump]

This is my damage on my DZ build

[glossy scarab]

looks good

[undone stump]

Substantial? How substantial are we talking

[glossy scarab]

i wish i could remember

[undone stump]

Because I'm definitely looking to keep this as my #1 gun right now so I think it's worth it if it truly is substantial

Guess I just have to start the gamblefest 😂

[glossy scarab]

i mean if you want it to be the strongest it can be then go for dtoc

you might try a whole bunch of times tho

[undone stump]

How many substats are there total?

[glossy scarab]

i dont know but i get stability and accuracy and optimal range and swap speed a lot when i reroll exotics

theres enough that it makes it a pain bc a bunch will repeat over and over

[undone stump]

I'm really about to take a bunch of potential resources to make a 95% godroll a 100% godroll 😂

God be with me

[glossy scarab]

may the dice fall in your favor

[undone stump]

Took me 6 rolls

[glossy scarab]

well done

not bad rolls at all. one optimization on the dtoc and probably 3 on the smg dmg

[undone stump]

I present the damage

[undone stump]

Exactly this I wager, since that was 2 so far on smg dmg

Also turns out it was 7 rolls 😂

[glossy scarab]

lucky 7

[undone stump]

I'm sitting roughly .1k damage under before so that's probably really good

I'm assuming the target out of cover isn't calculated into that yet

[glossy scarab]

nope

[undone stump]

Can you remind me the best/ fastest way to farm the resources I'm missing?

[glossy scarab]

farm SMGs in countdown and deconstruct them (ideally you would craft the smg alloy) and for the hyena materials I cant remember how to get those without crafting. they do come from other stuff like possibly hyena control points or bounties or something

those blueprints are worth spending as long as you can doing control points and getting those blueprints

[glossy scarab]

there ya go

[undone stump]

I also need polycarbs for the hyena one

[glossy scarab]

i always run low on those

[undone stump]

So I guess I could instead farm polycarbs?

Is that better or

[glossy scarab]

you can find out which faction drops polycarbonate and fight them a bunch. and you could go to some materials cache heavy areas and pick up as many as you can find

or you could put scavenging shd watch points into polycarbonate

if u have points

good god

[undone stump]

I'm torn between knowing what I just read, and not knowing what I just read

[glossy scarab]

i dont like the fact that its perfectly clear to me

[undone stump]

Please translate to English, are they saying I can just make a level 30 character, speedrun to 40, and somehow I'll have a bunch of them to transfer to my main, delete and repeat?

[glossy scarab]

whats ur shd level right now?

[undone stump]

Waaaaaaaaaait

397 >:(

[glossy scarab]

whatever your shd level is minus 800 is how many points you'll get

[undone stump]

I'm an original player but I took a lot of time off, recently got back in

[glossy scarab]

usually not worth doing until well beyond shd 1000

[undone stump]

So it's not worth doing? How many can I make? They're saying the overage ones that go in that center thing where you choose resources, you just grab polycarbs and when I make the new character I have the same SHD level and can just claim all of those onto it and then delete the character?

[glossy scarab]

i just hit 5000. so if i started a new character and got from level 30-40 with some help from a level 40 to carry me, when i get that shd watch i'll have 4200 points

[onyx sage]

just create them anyway

[glossy scarab]

you get scavenging points for leveling up. you probably have some

unless you spend regularly

[undone stump]

I've spent all mine on SHD calibration

[glossy scarab]

dang

[undone stump]

;_;

[onyx sage]

no that's a good choice

[glossy scarab]

not yet unfortunately

for the creating a new character thing

[undone stump]

This game truly is a grind fest

So what's the best recommendation given my level?

[glossy scarab]

yeah. its a time eater

if you're playing heroic or challenging i think you should fight the faction that drops polycarbonate. if you're at lower difficulty then i would just go around collecting materials. the east mall area around solar farm CP is loaded with materials

its hyenas who drop poly

[surreal depot]

If u urgently need, just make new char

It doesn't matter because as you level, your other character will get points aswell

[glossy scarab]

they're shd 397

[surreal depot]

So?

[glossy scarab]

still will get something out of it?

[surreal depot]

79 scavenging

[glossy scarab]

oh i see

[flint wave]

atleast 40 steel

[undone stump]

79 scavenge points? How many do you get to collect polycarb per point?

[surreal depot]

40 or sth

Just open ur watch

[undone stump]

40x79 seems like quite a lot

[hexed steppe]

its a waste of watch points early on. hit solar farm control point and surrounding area dailly and youll have a ton of mats. like 50ish mat cases of all types

[undone stump]

I got 19 from running toxic valley just now

[hexed steppe]

the more agents you have, the more times you can harvest that cp. shared mats will see any agent able to use it

[undone stump]

Solar Farm is true sons though

[glossy scarab]

still loaded with alll three materials cache types

[hexed steppe]

doesnt matter, oh, what jd said 👆

[undone stump]

Oof - bluescreened during my solar farm run 😂

[glossy scarab]

put it on normal if all you want to do is collect materials. saves a bunch of time and hassle

[undone stump]

Interesting, okay I'll try that

I'm loading back in lol rip me

I see what you guys mean

Lot of little cratey bois here

[glossy scarab]

i have a route through that entire zone for mats that i used to do every day before i had many scavenging points. takes like 15 minutes

[undone stump]

Just finished solar farm and running all nooks and crannies - I'm at 608 polycarbs now

So from this and the other point I guess I made roughly 100

[undone stump]

Okay little update, ran one countdown, deconstructed all of my loot (I usually donate all junk for expertise) and managed to get 30 to 40 smg alloy, and enough polycarb to craft another hyena optimization and have maxed my primary smg damage, so all that's left is that 1% on dmg to target out of cover and it'll only be sub 20 of each of them which I feel confident I can rapidly farm if I just bang through countdown target farming smgs and deconstruct all loot

Thanks for the help guys 🫡

Heartbreaker version

[glossy scarab]

its great with HF too if you want a build with built in survivability with armor on kill and CC effects on nearby enemies on kill. gives you time to reload and take out a group of enemies at a spawn point. but you have bonus armor with heartbreaker so i get it if thats your go-to build

[undone stump]

Remind me which one's HF? All in all I do really enjoy heartbreaker but I'm open to other builds if one synergizes disgustingly well

[glossy scarab]

hunters fury

[undone stump]

For perspective the ridiculous build I put together with umbra and my ouro only happened after I picked up the ouro and is the first time I've felt remotely capable in the DZ no matter how good my other builds have been in any other content

[glossy scarab]

nice. umbra is nice with the armor regen in cover but kinda not ideal to have to get into cover for 5 seconds to get your damage boost. so if you're chasing someone its not too fun

[undone stump]

I've found great success with it, albeit maybe a bit gimmicky

I generally prep the 5 second stack and since it reduces slowly when running only have to briefly top it off here and there, and it causes the ouro to hit like a truck at almost 2000 RPM and lots of crit damage

It will set me at a disadvantage for chasing someone long term who is truly just running far away because I'll eventually need to stop and let it recoup but generally with rogues this hasn't been much of an issue as they keep engaging and are relatively close

Some rogue that was roflstomping me actually suggested I put together an umbra build, except he intended for that to run with yellow cores and the capacitor with vigilance backpack

Come time I got my pieces, I also got the ouro, and the math just mathed

[glossy scarab]

sounds good. whatever works for you is a good thing

[undone stump]

I mean I'd prefer something that has more survivability but at the same time nothing I've used has hit players as hard, and in the past my high survivability builds have left me with so little damage that all I do is delay the inevitable and make my death take longer

So far it's mostly a burden with the NPC's in DZ as there are lots of them and the survivability starts hurting me focusing on dudes in every direction so I have to be very very careful with how I position myself

[glossy scarab]

positioning yourself is how you stay alive while killing everything else in this game

[undone stump]

Out of curiosity are there any builds you'd recommend that incorporate the belstone chest with the armor kit ability? I forget the name, the one that makes it a high chance to keep the armor kit and increases its effectiveness

[glossy scarab]

i had some good success with this in pvp. its heavily reliant on armor kits though. the picaros holster can have armor core on it instead, i was just running a yellow one so i would have 3 skill tiers on my defender drone and hive. but some extra armor might be a better idea. wont affect the damage or anything

[tulip charm]

Pvp build

[undone stump]

Which versions of the skills are those? Also strange colors

I have ninja and picaro with blue core maxed subs

I'm also curious if the set system corruption is any good with the infinite armor kit thing

[solar sable]

Jd explicitly said "defender drone and healer hive (judging by the color of it).
Color's like that bc of colorblind mode

[undone stump]

My bad getting a bit late my attention is fading lol

[glossy scarab]

i dont usually see ppl saying good things about system corruption

[solar sable]

That's okay

[undone stump]

Fair enough figured I'd ask, is striker fast enough to build up the extra damage in pvp though?

[glossy scarab]

its better than you would think but still its stacking

i have an ouro with rate of fire on it too, so the 15% boost boost from strikers and 5% boost from rate of fire attribute stacks real fast

[undone stump]

Interesting... sort of another approach to my umbra rate of fire

[glossy scarab]

pretty much

[stiff jasper]

because overall system corruption are not good

[glossy scarab]

ive only tried it in PTS and ive been unable to find any reason it even exists

[stiff jasper]

press V, fight 5 second, then start as spectator mode

[undone stump]

I'm weird and made right click my medkit for faster and easier access

That's also because right click is free for me, fun fact a long time ago a mouse I was using at the time started failing clicks and would either not click, or sometimes double click, which made aiming incredibly unreliable. I rebound left alt to aiming for easy access with my thumb and never looked back even after several new mice 😂

I've tried going back and I'm now significantly better and faster with alt

[glossy scarab]

nice. i have right click set to reload

[mellow flume]

Hello, is there a build that player must have? Such as striker build.

[red island]

Yes, striker

[vocal meadow]

Anyone know a good pve build

[mellow flume]

Beside striker? Like a heal builds maybe?

[red island]

hard wired or like future initiative

future initiative is pretty good to boost your team

you give them +25% damage if they keep full armor and you can easily keep them full armor with a decent build

use the btsu gloves for even more boost

either tactician or crosbow stuff for bonus skill tier or bonus heal

[pastel crane]

If you're into run and gun playstyle, Hunter's Fury is a good option.

[hexed steppe]

eclipse protocol (fire and crowd control variants), highend mortar build, hotshot sniper, highend dps, and negotiators dilemma dps. these are builds i keep on each alt. ymmv

[junior surge]

If you intend to run raids, it can also be worth to set up a basic hazpro tank

[warm knot]

Hey there, theres a chc/chd the setup bp at the countdown vendor. I heard these rolls are good, what can I use it for? I have a haler rolled one already.

Tank/scorpio build maybe?

Not sure how tho.

[mellow flume]

@red island @hexed steppe okay, thank you so much ☺️

[hexed steppe]

Probably fit well on an od build utilizing scorpio and survivalist . would stack a few different team buffs

[red island]

i did a lot of different builds for pve, and i gotta say, i got surprised some of them actually worked better than expected, its cool to see that many builds are possible, but now im gonna try a dz build for pvp

[broken edge]

just gonna borrow this for a second

[vestal ibex]

Y'all got red circles??

[onyx sage]

and arrows, and clipart text?

[karmic moss]

looking for best build to rush but not die in like 2 shots

[onyx sage]

"best" in this case is having 6 red and using mechanics to not take damage

this has 6 red and one shots a lot of things. even ignoring guardians you would play this the same way and use cover to cover + melee baiting to stop them from shooting you

[bright raptor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing Hub -> Hunter's Fury

[karmic moss]

like i said in a other chat beforee no pictures in there for me but it is whatever man always same in discords people to lazy to just help

[hazy steeple]

Are you complaining that people are giving you detailed builds that have already had all the hard work of working out what the ideal pieces are, and the stats all done for you?

[broken edge]

it has images tho?

[karmic moss]

i have no images in ethe sheet at all

[bright raptor]

are you trying to look this up on the office internet connection?

[broken edge]

did you click the individual link for each build?

[karmic moss]

nah complaining bcs people dont understand that i have looked the hole spread sheet off and there is nothing to be found on there for me but people thingk they read me mind and think i am diabled and saying shit while it is not

[hazy steeple]

Okay I don't know if this is a joke or troll or whatever, but it's time to drop the attitude.

No one is required to help you on here, people do it because they want to.

[bright raptor]

because either you need to talk to your internet or phone company, or I'd worry about your manager showing up to yell at you to get back to work

[onyx sage]

just reiterating this cuz this may very well be the reason

[broken edge]

if clicked where i put the red circles it's going to show you a list with a link, people do it like that so spreadsheeit doesnt becomes a mess of bunch of images loaded when you only want to check one thing

[vestal ibex]

Needs more red circles showing the links next to said builds.

[half scroll]

throw some red arrows in there too

[broken edge]

if you are not finding this

you clicked wrong somewhere

[half scroll]

needs more red

[karmic moss]

and thats wahat i asked but i am the one with a attitude but people not understanding what i am saying and keep saying i am lying is ok what a shit show this is then

[mint axle]

And a giant text saying "THE PERFECT BUILD!" just like those the div2 YouTubers

[half scroll]

bro its literally just pixels on a screen, chill

[half scroll]

when i first read your name, i 100% thought it said aaron keener

[half scroll]

like if you had chilled out a little, we couldve helped you lmao

[karmic moss]

i have never said anything wrong just asked for help and said i have no shead bcs it show nothing for me and people say i am blind and lying great

[broken edge]

i showed the 2 places you need to click to find builds in the spreadsheet

[half scroll]

you’re just being super hostile and defensive for no reason

[broken edge]

this is the first time EVER i used this spread sheet and i found it somehow

[half scroll]

you couldve just asked if one of us would send you screenshots

[mint axle]

Everything is on the spread sheet Chris.

[half scroll]

ive got plenty saved atm, pretty sure i still have my basic red core strikers saved somewhere

[half scroll]

all hail the mighty spreadsheet

[vestal ibex]

Did you find the stuff based on the red circles then?

[karmic moss]

never been hostile oer defensive at all man you guys started to say that i ma blind and shit while i dident have anything of the sheat iot just gives me stat for updates thats all

[half scroll]

0/10 experience, not enough red circles

[broken edge]

not joking, did you find the things i circled red? just give an yes or no

[half scroll]

needs more clickbait

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'm not baiting or trolling, I wanna know if you've found them cause Ru linked you the same exact spreadsheet in the community discord.

[half scroll]

matter of fact, i need KVD to come in here with a 15 minute presentation on it, with the red circles, and some clickbait

[onyx sage]

make it 30

[half scroll]

@karmic moss heres a picture of the build they were recommending, id also recommend a strikers setup of some kind

[onyx sage]

also i never see anyone calling them blind or anything, did i not read enough chat or something

[half scroll]

raid shadow legends sponsorship

[karmic moss]

and again i dont find any pictures in this shead i have looked evry where no picture to be found

[hazy steeple]

Did you click the link on "evernote" for each build?

[hazy steeple]

@karmic moss

If you're you're on a computer with restricted privileges (like at school or work) then it may be blocked.

[gentle lichen]

The frown is a mood

[hazy steeple]

I thought it was someone snowboarding.

[karmic moss]

iam 32 i dont go to scool anymore and no restricions

[broken edge]

well it was artistic representation of my frown

[rich cosmos]

Insanely based

[hazy steeple]

It looks a bit like the cover of SSX Tricky.

[broken edge]

i really cant see that

[hazy steeple]

You have to be incredibly over-tired.

[karmic moss]

like i cant click no where and see no pictures

[half scroll]

i see it

[hazy steeple]

Are you sure you're 32

[urban latch]

Heres a direct link to what people are trying to point you to
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c&noteKey=bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fdac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c%2Fbf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a&title=Hunters%2BFury%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

[half scroll]

oh, he actually didnt see the red circles

oh my god.

[broken edge]

you clicked in the wrong place, on again check here #td2-build-advice message

[half scroll]

you know its bad when rivens is even throwing shade

[karmic moss]

just getting this cant click no where

[urban latch]

Switch tabs to the hub/builds tab. The links are in there

[karmic moss]

then i seee no builds still

i just see text and cant click no where

[urban latch]

Try just clicking the link I posted just above

[karmic moss]

i have and still nothing

[hazy steeple]

The temptation to pin that is overwhelming right now.

[broken edge]

do me a favour and dont become a game journalist

[half scroll]

do it.

[rich cosmos]

Do it

[half scroll]

ill even pull it up on my ipad, which is more similar to the PC interface, and do it there

[gentle lichen]

Instructions unclear. Can't see where you're clicking

[half scroll]

yeaaa i noticed that after recording

[hazy steeple]

I didn't see 90 seconds of unskippable ads first, so I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

[half scroll]

whoops

im not very good at video edits, but it be hilarious if someone went behind me and put a raid shadow legends ad somewhere in there

[rich cosmos]

Wheres the subway surfers in the bottom half of the vid

[hazy steeple]

I think they're back to doing VPN adverts now.

surfshark and friends.

[rich cosmos]

Damn

[mint axle]

And the TikTok logo since it's a tutorial

[hazy steeple]

note to self: band name

[red island]

something doesnt feel right here......

[tulip charm]

Yeah thats a thing

[red island]

does it stack ?

[tulip charm]

Yes

[red island]

neat

[red island]

how does system corruption work with specialisation healing buff ?

like if i go for the team heal, do i still get the bonus ?

[tawdry flare]

It doesn't work that way sadly

[red island]

rip in peperoni then

[stiff jasper]

If you mean the spec bonus after using medkit, it doesn't work with sc since it don't count as "medkit"

[glossy scarab]

super easy open world build with a 70 round chatterbox. it really help the no-reload streaks going

[mossy lake]

anyone know the best or most effective build for solo pvp

currently have a catharsis heartbreaker build with picaros and big horn (all hs mods)

[red island]

there is no best pvp

[mossy lake]

or meta

[red island]

one build will counter another

[mossy lake]

is there a most common solo one

[red island]

i dont think there is one

[mossy lake]

hmmm

[red island]

most people run high end

[mossy lake]

what would you suggest for a lady death build

fair enough

[red island]

i would suggest not run lady death xd

tho its fine as a weapon

[mossy lake]

vector i guess then xD

[mint axle]

Unless he wants to make a melee build

[red island]

yeah melee builds are a thing

they are just not great overall imo

[mossy lake]

i tried running the build i said but i got rinsed by umbra and high end builds

[red island]

what build you got ?

[red island]

i mean

you got no damage there

[mossy lake]

all of my damage comes from hs stacks and catharsis

[urban latch]

That's just going to be very unreliable and slow stacking in pvp, unless your pre-stacking on ads before fights

[mossy lake]

i just want a facetank build or run and gun

[mossy lake]

true

[urban latch]

Check the pinned Google doc, there's a pvp guide in there

[red island]

facetanking is a thing, but you wont do damage

[mossy lake]

ok cheers

[red island]

you cant have it all

[tulip charm]

yes I can

And its called regulus

🗿

[urban latch]

Pvp is pretty much all about min/maxing damage and survivability, so your always trying to get the best of both

[red island]

yes, a mixed build is a thing

but you wont have everything

[wise swallow]

most universal

[mossy lake]

thank you

[wise swallow]

yea youll get slammed by fire but this buld can basically do everything

[mossy lake]

cheers

ill try build it

[red island]

the chest and backpack are gonna be hard to come by

[magic pilot]

Yes they are a pain

3/3 version is good too but way less tanky

[red island]

tbh

come on automod let me alone

its bad they put 4 stats on chest and backpack

when stats are so random and talent are even worse

like 25 talents

its insanely hard to get what we want

[magic pilot]

Depending on the natural core and the rolls you want it's between 1/3500 - 1/4000 chance

Say you want hasburg bp with red rolls to change core from native blue, 1/4000+

[red island]

yeah

thats fked man

[sly gulch]

before i go test it, remind me, Dr Home does not work with Focus...

[onyx sage]

it does