td2-build-advice

[gentle lichen]

You can use the bighorn pretty damn good AR for headshot builds

[surreal depot]

But why do you spread misinformation with this right hand

[onyx sage]

because it can aim at heads

[surreal depot]

Has your right hand tried using the chameleon

[onyx sage]

no but it gaslit people from thinking they can probably aim into actually being able to aim

[surreal depot]

It also gaslit people that they can possess the power of determined

[hearty timber]

Hm

[spring pewter]

So do you have any recommendation?

[modest palm]

yeah ||Eoka pistol 😆||

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon with 5.11

[half cosmos]

Ok i got a momento now what to pair it with?

[tulip charm]

Any solo builds

[half cosmos]

Just whipped one up and wiped bunker heroic

[magic pilot]

almost a pvp build lol

[half cosmos]

Almost? What to change?

[magic pilot]

fenris gloves

cant remember if elmo gets 3 non chc gear items

and blue cores obviously

[half cosmos]

Rn with elmo i am on 60 164

[magic pilot]

what pieces have chc

and mods

[half cosmos]

Mask cheska and 6% chc 12% chd mod 10.2 chd

Chest grupo 12% chd 6% mof chc 10.4 chd obliterate

Holst brazo 11.7% chd 15% wep dam

Bag momento 13% wep dam 147k armor 1 skill
Mod 10.5 chd

Glove walker 12 chd 9.9 headshot (temp equip)

Knee foxprayer 8% out of covrr
11.8 chd

[hazy steeple]

I keep seeing it as cheska, is that from a youtuber or what?

[magic pilot]

yes

NBS

[half cosmos]

If posible want a brazo gloves to make a hybrid 2 tier tech+2 armor for tier shield

[half cosmos]

Mine autocorrected to this idk

On phone rn

[magic pilot]

thatd be 3 tier lol

try intimidate if you are playing aggressive

[half cosmos]

Momento gives armor and skill 2

Brazo gives 2 armor +1 skill as on 2nd set perk

[magic pilot]

technician

[half cosmos]

Nope running gunner for armor on kill survival for now

[magic pilot]

hmmm

[hazy steeple]

oh she's a reality TV star.
I think I'll stick with assuming that it's talking about Chess.

[magic pilot]

are you on rn?

[half cosmos]

Me ? Yea

[magic pilot]

what are you running

[half cosmos]

What i sent u

[magic pilot]

no i mean missions, countdown etc lol

[half cosmos]

Oh just hopped out of heroic bunker

Countdown i do when i have nothing else to do and need exotics

[upper rover]

How much does wyvern matter for drone/turret build cuz I have some build but it's 2 Hana 3 empress and waveform?

[urban latch]

It's a bit more damage but at the end of the day not a huge deal.

[upper rover]

Also should I change one of my mains to weapon dmg or armor if I will be using technician (for minors it has WH and SD)

And it's the only piece I can change cuz I changed minors on rest

[shy willow]

You can switch one to red if it already has haste and skill damage

With capacitor it'll hit pretty hard for an all yellow

[upper rover]

It has weapon handling instead skill haste

[shy willow]

Just roll the handling for haste

Then you can think about running other specs too

[upper rover]

But then technician+1 is kinda whatever what else would be good for that? Survivalist ig

[shy willow]

Gunner, demo, and survivalist are good options

Survivalist for support oriented builds, demo for mortar builds, gunner if you want the AOK

Actually firewall too if you run burn

[upper rover]

Aok?

[shy willow]

Standard turret and drone can run gunner or tech

[shy willow]

Armour on kill

[upper rover]

Oh ig

So is that build also good for any other stuff? I thought it's only for turret drone

[quartz ermine]

@upper rover just use this build. for more dmg use glass cannon

[shy willow]

The big damage skill builds are fire, mortar, and the turret/drone

[upper rover]

That's what I'm using but test subject for other weapon

[shy willow]

They also make use of wyvern and stuff

[upper rover]

Then ig I will put skill haste for minors

[quartz ermine]

skill haste and skill damage

[upper rover]

Is there skill dmg mods? I don't seem to have any

[shy willow]

Nonexistent

Use haste mods instead

[upper rover]

120 skill haste should be enough

Also wtf is skill vanity mod slot

Is it skins for gadgets?

[shy willow]

Yeah

[hazy steeple]

The weird thing is, not every vanity slot has something to add to it. and all the rest only have 1.
and the bulk of those are sparklers or a SHD logo.

[upper rover]

So it's whatever

Also sniper vs assault turret which is better?

[hazy steeple]

It entirely depends on your playstyle/build.

[hexed steppe]

Assault

Its autonomous while sniper turret requires constant input

[shy willow]

the world if headshot damage applied to sniper turrets

[hexed steppe]

You can use other types of mods. If hitting 120 skill haste you could shift mods to pfe or crit to help capacitor

Turret drone is really flexible, this is how I run it..
20-30% armor on kill, 36% protection from elites

[hexed steppe]

Sniper turret was really dope when BLB buff still affected skills

[versed summit]

it does if you aim it

[shy willow]

dont you have to aim it anyway

[onyx sage]

yeah but more like the bonus is fixed for sniper turrets, it doesn't inherit your gear's hsd

[versed summit]

nah

[half cosmos]

i absolutly LOVE momento

[fiery ember]

:v why am i able to unlock the mod when i cant even use it yet

[urban latch]

Seems like a bug with the new update, you should be able to use that at level 30, or whenever you get your spec weapons now

[plain girder]

For the diamond something rifle would u put crit chance at all or not since the rifle talent gives you guranteed crit damage for 5 seconda

[modest palm]

But I put crits damage all instead go crits chance

[fiery ember]

thank you! seemed like a weird choice not being able to use it after unlocking it

[tawdry flare]

New feature

[modest palm]

I wish should extend 8 second reasonable enough

[plain girder]

?

[modest palm]

5 second feel short

Target like going cover to cover hiding

[plain girder]

Well if it procs and i have all crit damage i could essentially do a bodyshot popshot on a player or npc

[modest palm]

That’s great to hear

Crits dmg all way

[plain girder]

I made a rifle build with just crit chance crit damage but no matter how high weapob damage is your gunna get outdamaged fighing say oroboros

[blissful inlet]

Any build for dz ?

Solo and group

[ornate zealot]

whats a good build for bullet king

[plain girder]

None

[junior surge]

Strikers

[tawdry raven]

I use strikers with coyotes mask and I think ceska

[plain girder]

Theres no reason 2use bullet king unless reduced ammo directives

[tawdry raven]

Brazen + pummel would hit like a truck wouldn't it

[tawdry raven]

Some ppl just wanna use it, not everyone wanna use Oreo 24/7

[ornate zealot]

i dont like to remember to reload

[plain girder]

Try this then

Coyote mask, double crit walker chestpiece with obliterate, picaro holster, double crit backpack with companion or vigilance or any talent that gives dps, contractor gloves, fox prayer knee pads, make sure ur bullet king has damage 2 targets out of coveraswell as damage 2armor wich i belive alredy comes with

You can use acs12 get obliterate stacks and switch 2 bullet king or just use bullet king but would take bit longer get obliterate stacks

If all thats 2complicated just do striker gearset coyote mask and contractor gloves

And gunner specialisation aswell 2 give even more ammo for team combined with bullet king is awsomw for ammo hoarders directive

[plain girder]

Backpack is also walker nd harris forgot mention

[plain girder]

Ud still be lacking damage somewhat by using that lmg that talent is just no reload but you can keep stacks esier by jot having 2do so if all that makes sense

[junior surge]

Bullet king doesn't come with dta, the third attribute is random. Telling someone to stack obliterate with acs is pretty bad advice imo, the bullet king stacks obliterate faster than the acs-12 because it has a higher fire rate and obliterate doesn't stack per pellet.

[plain girder]

You can recalibrate it till you do so

[junior surge]

Yes

[plain girder]

Is not the rpm but acs12 has multiple pallets each stacking

[tulip charm]

Just run any dps set.

[junior surge]

Obliterate does not stack per pellet

Obliterate stacks per shot

Acs will stack slower than bk

[dreamy valve]

What’s the point of using LMG over an AR now?

[tulip charm]

LMGs are good yo

[junior surge]

Lmgs deal more damage

[dreamy valve]

They do?

[plain girder]

Ar other than capacitor dont have damage 2tgts out of cover+ damage2armor

[junior surge]

The top lmgs outdps the top ars. They're not as popular because people don't like the suppression mechanic and you can't use them in conjunction with a shield

[plain girder]

Also higher base damage than ars but u cant use shield

[tulip charm]

Yeah but the suppresion system hurts lmg

Expect iron lungs

[dreamy valve]

I feel like I can complete a mission faster with an AR than an LMG

[junior surge]

Depends on your playstyle

[shy willow]

I particularly like new reliable and iron lung

[dreamy valve]

Is it playstyle or skill and meta setup?

[shy willow]

the top lmgs are really nice

[junior surge]

The rpks are awesome

[tulip charm]

Still looking for a chc l86 and rpk 😭

[dreamy valve]

That might be good for pvp

2 talent bug

[plain girder]

For legendaries and whatnot most npc have armor over health so the middle attribute of ars would be mostly useless and also applies 2 pvp you only use damage 2health once you go thru their armor

[tulip charm]

huh?

[plain girder]

Not saying that ars are useless by anymeans is mostly what type of buold you going for

[dreamy valve]

I thought AR has better accuracy and reload

[junior surge]

On legendary dth definitely has it's place because of wardogs and chungas though. It just so happens that these are some of the tankiest targets you'll encounter snd dth applies to them.

[plain girder]

It does

Thats why is mainly used over lmgs vut if you wanna hit as hard as possible i think lmgs is the way

Specially if you go say l86 with spotter nd flatline that shit melts

[junior surge]

Most people don't like the recoil and sway from lmgs

[urban latch]

Generally speaking, you want chc on LMGs 3rd roll, not dta

Especially BK

[tulip charm]

Raucey do you remember who compared the damage difference between rof and chc

[dreamy valve]

So LMGs are still better than Rifles?

[plain girder]

Well yea kinda rifles have crit damage while lmgs come with damage2armor nd damage 2 tgts out of cover ofc if you roll them 2do so

[shy willow]

better is subjective

comparing classes to each other is too broad cuz each class has great options

[tulip charm]

Imo lmgs are better because I dont want to break my finger

[urban latch]

iKia has a good breakdown

[dreamy valve]

Then how come a majority of the playerbase uses AR

[plain girder]

Aswell rpm is there aswell you dont have 2 keep tapping 2 get shots out

[shy willow]

cuz they're easy to use

[urban latch]

Because ARs are very easy to use and just good overall.

[austere tree]

hi guys, determined 1886 with 3p breaking point+2p new rifle brand+fox's prayer instead of full highends+memento, is the bonus damage worth it?

[dreamy valve]

So if 2 equally skilled players use 2 different weapons will have the same ttk for most content?

[tulip charm]

Depends on the gun

but it should be similar

[dreamy valve]

The best weapons for each weapon category

[shy willow]

even then the best weapons are the best for different reasons tbh and not always dps

[gentle lichen]

It'll depend
A skilled regulus user can trivialise even legendary content

[dreamy valve]

I know raid builds are all about AR, don’t really see much diversion from that for that content

[shy willow]

raid builds use rifles

[dreamy valve]

Oh really?

[tulip charm]

I dont

unless you're doing ih

[shy willow]

depends on if you run high end or striker but high end runs m1a generally

ravenous for one shots and staggering

[tulip charm]

DH is just one shots and striker fiesta in there.

[dreamy valve]

So Rifle M1A for IH

[junior surge]

Strikers is good in IH aswell

[tame flax]

most players follow the flock

[junior surge]

High end and strikers builds are both very viable

[plain girder]

You can get some crazy rifle weapon damage with the new gearsets like you can go fox prayer 2 breakpoint and 2 of the yellow new gearset nd picaro holster

And thats not including a talent like vigilance or if running flatline/spotter

[tulip charm]

you dont run picaros if you want maximum damage

[dreamy valve]

I’ll look into what the current IH speed runners use

[shy willow]

depends on the encounter

[dreamy valve]

If any of them use rifles

[shy willow]

I use striker for boss 1 and 4 and high end for 2 and 3

[tulip charm]

Nego One shots, Headhunter, HE dch.

all that jazz

[plain girder]

True you could do wh for more weapon damage and have a red core but picaro gives yoh a whole redcore while armor

[tulip charm]

Damn that one blue core is gonna do so much

🗿

[shy willow]

you net more damage with a better brand

picaro is a pvp piece

[tulip charm]

or hybrid

[shy willow]

ye

[plain girder]

Lol it could save you from say those 1 shot dogs in legies idk

[shy willow]

you cant get one shot

[tulip charm]

Nah I have 3 other teammates I bait for that to happen

[junior surge]

Osp is the best armor tbh

[shy willow]

yeah OSP is free immune frames

[plain girder]

Lol you can do, if not 1shot could get bombed and killed instantly

[shy willow]

osp doesn't let you get one shot

[plain girder]

Whats osp?

[tulip charm]

Imo if you let a dog oneshot then you deserve it

one shot protection

[plain girder]

Lol glass cannon....tho tbh that in pve unless u camping like a motherlover with a drone and turret build is kibda stupid

[junior surge]

You know what's weird though, I've had a genuine oneshot happen to me a week or two ago, I was so perplexed as a very frequent OSP user. It was a grenade on leg

[shy willow]

get that shi off and just use oblit

[junior surge]

Like osp just forgot to proc or something.

[shy willow]

oof

[plain girder]

Lol yea or mby spotter with flatline since is not stack dependent and you only lose 5% or so vs compared say max obliterare stacks

Tho ofc you restricted 2 technician specialisation for linked laser

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow

[tulip charm]

Give me it

I want it 😡

[magic pilot]

guess what the emperors are

[tulip charm]

Haz?

[plain girder]

Lucky motherlover lol both of those in 1...

[magic pilot]

armor regen

[tulip charm]

xd

[magic pilot]

hsd/chc. and chc/haz

best ones

[plain girder]

They rlly good for say a bunk build but preferrinly haz pro

[magic pilot]

yea true. take what i can get lol

[plain girder]

You can still make a bunk build with them just gtta be wary players against not using 2 much status effect say ensnare or shock

Dz mostly players dont use it as much as they do conflict mist players in dz use meta and hardly ever change out of it no matter how much shock and foam they get lol

They just beach and complain but dont go haz pro lol

[shy willow]

its so beautiful

[urban latch]

The general ad clear build (really only used on the 3rd boas in IH speedruns) is still the classic high end build with cqb M1As, although the regulus combined with DCH is really the primary weapon

[dreamy valve]

would Breakpoint or Zwiadowka be used in IH now?

[urban latch]

No There actually might be a niche for DCH, foxes, pcg, gift, 2p zwai now that I think about it...

[plain girder]

As i mentioned before you can still hit hella hard but not using a 4piece green set so 2 breakpoint/2 zwiadowka/fox prayer/walker nd harris all reds mby glass or spotter/flatline idk if good for raids but you can do roughly 1.5+ million damage per hit using say m1cqb

[dreamy valve]

hmm ill try that out

[plain girder]

And vigilance talent

Yea is rlly fun, not as much for pvp ihave tried it but you can get easly overwhelmed whem say fighting a 1v3 and u just gtta keep tapping 2 get shots out unless you go all reds with glass with say diamond you could essentially be a popshot bodyshot if talent procs

[dreamy valve]

I might try it with all headshot attributes

[plain girder]

Can go heeadshot nd crit damage since diamond proc gives guaranteed crit damage

[shy willow]

if youre going all red glass cannon go big and just use a model 700 or something

one shot everything

[plain girder]

Yea that also works aswell

But m700 has a lower rpm and even if you go determined you still need get a headshot kill 2 proc it at 1st while that 1 is not really headshot determined but if talent procs you can 1 tap by having enougn crit damage

Like i was 1tapping players with 1.3 million armor nd unbreakable with it

[shy willow]

no need for determined can use an amp talent or optimist or something

[plain girder]

That was bfore me knowing not 2go with crit chancw for the diamond

[wise swallow]

Damn

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow

[wise swallow]

Pooparthsis

[magic pilot]

non catharsis you just run picaros and move brands around

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow ready to play

[wise swallow]

Healer 🤨

I’ll be home in a bit

Rush hour traffic 👎cops everywhere 👎

[magic pilot]

rip

[urban latch]

Gross

[wise swallow]

Far too tired to split and run from cops

@magic pilot me home

[primal horizon]

hey yall, just coming back after 2 months away, is there a viable rifle build that wasn't peak rifle before the update? So like, 1886 headhunter doesn't really bring anything new to the table, are the new sets worth building out?

[hushed saddle]

Is it better to have more critical damage or critical damage chance?

[wise swallow]

both. as close to 60 chance as possible and as much damage as possible

[hushed saddle]

Ok ok! Ty!

[plain girder]

If your a healer the btsu or whtvr are like a must

[magic pilot]

Not in pvp

[plain girder]

Hmmm i think primarly in pvp specially if doing conflict when it breaks your hive would be on cooldown the whole game wich you could bypass by going overcharge

You dont need be that tanky as a healer 1.2 with those gloves and just strafe and give out heals basiclly

[magic pilot]

OC is disabled in PvP

[plain girder]

Its not tho wym i do give out overcharge all the time at least for myself

[magic pilot]

And it's for dz

OC is 100% completely disabled in PvP, and has been as long as i can remember

Btsu gives you and team skill tier 6 in PvP no OC

[plain girder]

Wym tho i literally used my healer in conflict today and breaking hive triggers the talent and i get overcharge?

[magic pilot]

It's not overcharge

That's btsu talent

[onyx sage]

best way to check is just go into your skill and see what it says for skill tier

if it's overcharge it will say overcharge

[plain girder]

Oh ok but i mean in pvp even no overcharge ud wanna use those gloves to get you hives back asap so you get back 2 healing ur team

[magic pilot]

I've ran this healer a lot with my clan, almost never run out of charges

Our main support player uses this healer

Also at 1.2M armor you can be one shot by shotgun players

[plain girder]

Thats y u only strafe for dear life lmao

[hexed steppe]

hows the new shotgun talent in pvp?

[magic pilot]

So you just hope that the other team sucks basically instead of using more armor

[magic pilot]

I was gonna throw together shotgun build but I'm missing the chest

[plain girder]

Well at 1.2 and tier 6 ur decently tanky unless u literally stay still or hit by all reds glass

[hexed steppe]

better get farming then

[magic pilot]

Agree to disagree

Couple versions

[plain girder]

And also forgot mentions when u get jammed using that build your hives reset like its charges woch you again could bypass by triggering btsu gloves

[magic pilot]

I'll get one once I'm back on, @onyx sage is gonna run some pvp with me I need to get the build for him

[hexed steppe]

nice

[onyx sage]

uhhhhhhh i didn't sign the papers sir

[plain girder]

Man you wasted all those exotic components on healer hive duration tho lol the duration is just dependent on wether u have repair charges or not is not like an assault turret where goes off by an literal skill duration if that makes sense

[onyx sage]

i'm too young for pvp

[magic pilot]

Not my screenshots

[plain girder]

Oh ok lol

[magic pilot]

meta killer

[onyx sage]

that is horrible.

i want it.

[magic pilot]

There's a version with intimidate and another with wicked as well

Highly recommend firewall shield to popshot

[onyx sage]

oh what are you using to proc wicked?

[versed summit]

Firewall armor break 😎

[magic pilot]

Foam or jammer pulse

[magic pilot]

I wish it was in pvp lol

(No I don't)

[versed summit]

Hmmm I hadn’t realized. Rip

[magic pilot]

Couple things like that are disabled

[serene hare]

Ok, I'm getting giga annoyed, trying to get that Zweihander backpack.

I only find that shit with HSD OR weapon handling, can't find it with both.

[magic pilot]

Try crafting it on a new character

[serene hare]

I don't have another character.

[lime marsh]

what the best gear for firefly build especially demolisher one?

[shy willow]

Don't build around the firefly

It's too situational

Demolisher at least

[lime marsh]

Aight,i just wanna tried something new that didn't make me bored

[tawdry flare]

The only skill damage build are hybrid oxi or mortar or eclipse fire

[shy willow]

If you wanna have fun with a skill build try eclipse

[grim birch]

Any cool builds with the new rifles set

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage

[austere tree]

reached 1.1m weapon damage for my 1886 with new brand and set. but wondering if there's room for improvement

i think i'm constantly seeing 20m damage with HH

[tawdry flare]

Brazen is the new shotgun meta they made it too busted

[shy willow]

considering what we got last season

ill take it

[glossy scarab]

best thing this season

[tawdry flare]

I think it's a bit too op cause it's 24% AMP on kill and otherwise pellet% amp

[austere tree]

does it work best with HF?

still trying out the rifle gear so i haven't given the named shotguns much attention

i thought people didn't like them very much in PTS?

[magic pilot]

The shotgun talent got a buff

[candid night]

is white death no longer viable for determined+chain-killer builds?

[hexed steppe]

Viable but not top damage

[candid night]

what else can i change here

[candid night]

isnt white-death highest dmg sniper no longer?

[hexed steppe]

M700 carbon
Sr1
Model 700 are top tier now

[candid night]

apart from nemesis

[hexed steppe]

Those snipers got base damage boosted

[candid night]

out of these 3 what shud i grind for?

[hexed steppe]

Personally m700 carbon or sr1. Mag reload and good attachment points

[candid night]

how's the new gear set on-point compared to hot-shot for max headshot dmg?

[hexed steppe]

I use both and they are pretty much the same.
Carbon has slightly more ammo and sr1 has slightly more damage

Just go hotshot

[slow gyro]

Would nemesis and the new gear set work well?

[onyx sage]

oh this is the no coyote version?

[solar sable]

Not if you get accuracy and stability to max and still put a +5 mag so you got 11 shots

[solar sable]

the new gearset is ok. but definitely doesn't pass what we have AFAIK

[magic pilot]

Yep

Coyotes is the same just no second Walker, ceska knees

[onyx sage]

i see

[upper rover]

How important is rock n roll compered to normal in striker build?

I was running countdown only to realize it's DZ

💀

[junior surge]

Not very important, especially now that it's broken

[upper rover]

So just fast hand is enough?

[junior surge]

Just run a lefty instead, gives some added versatility imo

Oh you mean the acs in general?

[upper rover]

I farmed out acs with dttoc and my lefty doesn't have it so

Unless it doesn't matter

[junior surge]

You can reroll lefty to dttooc of you want, but fast hands acs will be good too.

[upper rover]

Oh true lefty has perfect...

But if u run out of grandes it's kinda cringe

So ig I will use acs

[junior surge]

Yea, but you only really use it on bosses tbh

[upper rover]

True ig

[junior surge]

Depends what specialization you are running aswell. Survivalist, firewall, sharpshooter and technician have grenades that are easy to hit

[upper rover]

Will probably use surv

[lone blade]

Anyone know the Max burn strength i can get on my chem launcher? Is it the PVA 6,8 ?

[upper rover]

Maybe firewall if I max it

[junior surge]

Well the incendiary grenades are excellent with lefty. Everyone who runs through the fire gets sledged (as long as you're holding the gun). So you can throw it in front of a spawn or under a chopper and just mow them down

[upper rover]

Hm true

Ig I will try it, also for sniper builds M870 doesn't matter which one is it?

[junior surge]

Not really

[junior surge]

7.5

[lone blade]

ty ty

[upper rover]

Is king breaker used in any build or I'm tripping

[glossy scarab]

not so much anymore

[warm knot]

Hey there. Guys in your opinion, which is better: Status effect OD or dps OD? Ive been running a status/supportish setup with heals, so idk if I should just swap to dps...
-Vile
-Electique chest/glass
-4x OD
-All status effects and repair mods
-survivalist
-fire chem and healing seeker

[onyx sage]

dps od by far

[warm knot]

How does it looks like btw?

[plain girder]

Only reason 2go status effect would be if your running skill tiers rather than weapon damage say you can use shock traps on npc and hold them all in place while ur team kills them with overwatch cp talent nd perfect opportunistic is like one of best dps supporters

[warm knot]

O have 2yellows and 4 reds. I might try getting at least 2 more yellows instead.

[onyx sage]

on the pinned sheet

[warm knot]

Oh yas, I forgot about it

[plain girder]

Go all yellows, status affects everything, and electric chest piece status affects skill damage overwatch and perfect opportunistic skill damage status effect and of skill tier

[upper rover]

Is collector used in any build, got groll from cache lol

[spiral gate]

Has anyone do build testing on Breaking Point Gear set?

I am just unable to understand what the 4pc bonus is suppose to be doing

Man, its like Umbra Initiative all over again 😦

[tulip charm]

You stack up and when you reload the stacks gets used and bonus applied

rinse and repeat.

[spiral gate]

oh

i guess im just confused as there was text about magazine refill

so I thought it would be a weapon swap talent

[tulip charm]

nah atleast you know

[magic pilot]

I run PGC and gift, carnage rolled chc as main weapon

[hexed steppe]

Still, carbon is 7rnds base, sr1 is 5rnds... set equally my statement is accurate

[solar sable]

Not saying it's not but, you don't always have to deal with that 5 mag

[hexed steppe]

Its bis 🤦‍♂️. You would run it on any mmr setup

The only other useful option would be stability, but both the mentioned mmr can have stability muzzle and underbarrel grip

[urban latch]

The carbon isn't really bis though, the base version is, or sr-1 if you want the quicker reload

[hexed steppe]

Not what I meant... the packed mag is bis

But regardless sr1 and carbon are pretty close

[serene hare]

Fire af

[glossy scarab]

nice drop

[serene hare]

Still don't get my Zweihander backpack with the stats I need, tho.

I mean, "need", because with the incomplete build I already completed my objective.

[glossy scarab]

what are you looking for double crits and vigilance or something?

[serene hare]

HSD and weapon handling, at least.

[glossy scarab]

ah yeah

[serene hare]

I need Vigilance or Unstoppable Force for talent, I have to get 2 of those 3, so the other I can set separately.
Preferentially HSD and Weapon handling, so the talent I can test myself.

Ngl, I'm grinding it for 3 days already, this is getting pretty stressful.

[glossy scarab]

damn. i got kinda lucky with my chest and bags i got for that brand. dont see myself using them that much though

[serene hare]

I think I got a perfect piece of everything, except the backpack, which is exactly the only piece I need.

Ngl, this always happens to me in any game I play, this is revolting.

[glossy scarab]

seems pretty normal to me

it can take a while to get ur perfect piece

[pallid merlin]

What's the point of armor in conflict? You get melted with 6 blues or 6 reds regardless

No build saves you from bs

[wise swallow]

take more dmg. getting melted at that armour is likely a movement issue or your playing against status

[pallid merlin]

I got melted by 6 blue high gear dude as 6 blue hazpro armor regen tank with a shield and by melt i mean died less than a second in a 1v1 againts assault rifle

So what's the point?

Desync? Some hidden crap that lets you shoot 1 mil bullets in conflict?

[wise swallow]

are you just standing still? any decent 6 blue DPS build can melt someone fast

[pallid merlin]

I couldn't even start strafing or anything dude saw me and melted couldn't even start moving

[glossy scarab]

so ya didnt see him coming. it happens

[pallid merlin]

If it was umbra, sure, but dude had mostly blue and 6 blue cores no ninja back

[wise swallow]

so he had a good build

was it a pistol build

[pallid merlin]

Nope AR

Or even then it wasn't specialized weapon build

Also had every day carrier

So no damage chest talent

[glossy scarab]

lots of defense though. if he popped an armor kit right before he hit you theres no way you'd have been able to take em down

[pallid merlin]

Probabyl devs broke something, because my vanguard got destroyed instantly, unless that talent doesn't work in pvp

[glossy scarab]

vanguard only gives your team memebers bonus armor.. not yourself

[wise swallow]

no idea, id have to see it myself. possible he changed builds and it didnt load

[pallid merlin]

I mean invincibility for your own shield 5 seconds, it was poped instantly, so i guess it doesn't work

[glossy scarab]

yea maybe not. im not that familiar with what works in conflict

[wise swallow]

was probably on cooldown. Cooldowns rarely show in conflict for whatever reason. unbreakable does the same thing

[pallid merlin]

That was at beginning of the match, first engagement

Even teammate was like wtf

Also damage dealt numbers are off when you die, i hhad 1.9m armor and it shows that i died by taking less than 1.3m dmg in engagement

Magic i tell ya 🤣

[serene hare]

Damn, this complete build is pretty good.
I did a CP while doing a suply convoy + rogue agents on heroic.

I just wish I could oneshot the rogue agents, but fine.

[slender pecan]

real^

[merry stone]

whats a good talent for black market ak and assult rifles in general?

[merry stone]

i need to utilize the god roll crafting station to perfect my regu build

[serene hare]

For AK, the best talent is called "Decon".
For good assault rifles you can use Strained or Fast Hands.

I was using a F2000 with Strained, but with Fast Hands is so much better.

Someday I'll have my meta Famas, I'm got pretty unlucky in getting one.

I got a named Famas with a god roll tho, but that talent is not that good.

[merry stone]

lol just use the bug to craft a god roll famas

i already have one with obli

[serene hare]

I don't use bugs.

[merry stone]

🤔

[hexed ravine]

👀 The what now

[rich lotus]

i know it involves creating a new character, so once i heard that i checked out of the discussion, not deleting my agents 🙂

[hexed ravine]

I only have 1 agent so I'm fine with making a new one

[rich lotus]

but i do hear a lot of chatter that Massive is big mad about it, but then again with the negatively about the seasonal characters, a ban wave might really destroy the community. regardless, use it at your own risk - generally massive only bans due to reports, or something stupidly egregious like 30 second mission clear times

[serene hare]

I'm super glad I never used cheats or abused glitches.

Although I should cheat in this game because the game fucked me up, not allowing me to get the last comms after completing the base story mode.

[rich lotus]

be on the level, anywho back to BUILD ADVICE

[hexed ravine]

I just want my Shield Splinterer but I can't kill the 4-hunter fight at all

[serene hare]

I'll never not mention this, the game gave me a Delta disconnect after unlocking that door where you get the comm of the president betraying us.
When I reconnected, I was in the white house, and that area still unable to access, even interacting with the console.

[rich lotus]

Do you think Fox Prayer, Zwiadowka Headhunter/Vigilance/Eagles Grasp and then 2 piece breaking point with determined 1886 is the ideal setup for rifle cheese?

[serene hare]

Zweihander with Headhunter is not better than Chainkiller.

I tested myself, with my build, the second shot already can kill a elite (which is super handy).

[rich lotus]

yeah i think youre right, since its 5% weapon damage in addition to building stacks faster

so chainkiller, 2 zwai, 2 breaking point fox prayer

[serene hare]

Not really because of that, you can use the WHC backpack to get that 5% weapon damage.

However the damage stacking of 125 to 150% makes a difference of the second shot.

The max stack is the same, but being able to fast kill a first mob and then directly kill anything to insta stack the HSD it's super good.

[rich lotus]

are you rolling all HSD/WH on your setup? does the 1886 handle like a dream cause i did use it back in the day for the "red build" but it would occasionally have wild shots out of the blue

[urban latch]

An M870 should be able to do that

[serene hare]

I think any build can do that if properly made.

The only build I'm making perfectly optimized is this one, tho.

[urban latch]

I meant to reply to the one shotting rouges

M870 will hit harder than the double barrel

[rich lotus]

Headhunters fury with double barrel would be awful, but there really is zero reason the double barrel shouldnt have SUBSTANTIALLY more damage than it has currently, it should be the top damage shotgun

[serene hare]

Oh, you mean my Boomstick.
Not a main weapon at all, the reason of it being there is to, occasionally, oneshot anything that comes closer, with a 1250% stacked HSD in a chest shot.

Because the double barrel / boomstick have the smallest spread.

So even at some range, all the pellets will hit.

And it's western weapon.

[rich lotus]

its not enough of a benefit to outweight its disadvantages

[serene hare]

I have a 1886 and a Regulus perfectly optimized, why would I care?

[rich lotus]

you wouldn't, im just saying i kind of wish a 2 million damage double barrel was a thing

[serene hare]

The main reason of it being there is "asthetics", nothing else.

Damn, even at 16ish metters, all the pellets hits the target, the aim of the double barrel is too good.

[rich lotus]

if youre standing still so do the m870s, unless youre talking about all pellets to the head, i dont have a doube barrel in my stash atm

[serene hare]

Westerns didn't had a m870.

[rich lotus]

i legit have no idea what we're talking about now i apologize.

[serene hare]

Look at my entire build, can you understand now?

[rich lotus]

ok now i understand your themed build

i was talking about practicality in game, the double barrel has 2 shots, its reload isnt awful but it isnt wonderful, and again... its 2 shots. it really should have way higher damage than any other shotgun in the game but it doesnt

[serene hare]

Maybe... I should make a Leon build.
I'd need a X-45, a M870 and...

Swap Chain?

White Death?

[rich lotus]

92FS...

[serene hare]

Wait, who?

[rich lotus]

Beretta 92FS

thats his most used pistol IIRC

[serene hare]

But Leon's Silver Ghost / SG-09 isn't a 92F, it's a X-45.

[rich lotus]

im not aware of a 45 tactical type pistol being made in 1993

my usp is old as fuck and it wasnt around in 93

[serene hare]

I think that a Leon build with Swap Chain, M870 with Pummel and X-45 with Finisher and using a Hunter's Fury might go well.

[merry stone]

make a new charac, lv it to 40, go to dc base of op craftingh station, buy shared blueprints and resources from thaty black chick, then upgrade the craftingh station

all ure crafts will be god roll or near it

[solar sable]

We love crafting-h

[hexed ravine]

How long do you think it'd take to get to level 40 again

[glacial blaze]

like 3h if you dont go ny

[shy willow]

If you have a carry it's substantially faster

[hexed ravine]

I have no carry, I don't even have any friends who play Div 2

[glacial blaze]

thats ok. its a fun 3h

[hexed ravine]

Sounds good

[merry stone]

whats the best 3rd slot for rifles?? still dam to targets out of cover??

[shy willow]

Yes

[austere tree]

so should you run Brazen w/ some M870 or Like Glue?

[warm knot]

Everything but lmgs is dttooc. DTA for lmgs or if your build scales with dta in any ways.

[warm knot]

I've been trying a BM sasg 12 and it crits for about 600k

[austere tree]

interesting

[shy willow]

Brazen six12 hits

[austere tree]

sounds like a good choice too hmmm

[warm knot]

I'm pretty sure they'll nerf brazen lol. 24 amp dmg is no joke

[austere tree]

liking the six12 so far. the damage i'm getting on a M870 looks satisfying but it just doesn't perform constantly with my poor aim

[shy willow]

Main draw is the fast reload

Makes for really nice dps

[magic pilot]

Chc, DTA only with nego

[warm knot]

I've been saving some lmgs with dta. What am I supposed to do with them now 🤡?

[shy willow]

Use nego

[warm knot]

🤡🤡🤡

Btw, is there any good high end lmg builds?

[austere tree]

murica f yeah

[shy willow]

?

[austere tree]

i cope with high-end pestilence

[shy willow]

Nego when used right has the best DPS in the game

Well multi target dps

[warm knot]

That's fro me, I've been grinding for the wrong gear 🥲

[merry stone]

nego??

[onyx sage]

yes

[shy willow]

Negotiators dilemma

[west quiver]

dumb build, 136 bullets in St. Elmo, 54% CHC & 150% CHD (can reach 60% CHC if needed), tested on the field, Heroic 4 directives, not bad 🤔

[versed summit]

60% would be better, as I am very much hoping not to see this in a group.

[west quiver]

test purpose only, I'm bored 🙃

[solar sable]

what were the numbers? justff

[west quiver]

around 370-500k+ per bullet, depending on how much stacks Obliterate

[lime marsh]

Did skill damage affect deflector shield?

[west quiver]

yes

[west quiver]

on the other hand, look at the bright side: this build can dish out shock rounds on every reload 🤔

[austere tree]

would ouroboros benefit more from a large mag

[versed summit]

not enough

[austere tree]

cuz i have a similar dumb build as well lol

[west quiver]

changed chest with Grupo, now St. Elmo has 126 bullets, but stats increased a bit to 164% CHD

should work better

[austere tree]

yeah it takes forever to down mobs, but then again... they aren't really moving

if only 4pc TP isn't so meh

[hazy steeple]

What uh, what is that build for?

[austere tree]

a moment of respite from boredom? idk

sadly i think enemies become immune to shock at some point

[hazy steeple]

A 3pc Gearset build getting to that 3rd piece by using NBB is pretty shocking.

[austere tree]

oh it's shocking alright

[hexed steppe]

thats pretty low ... big mag dont matter if you need 2-3 times as many rounds to down something

[west quiver]

maybe Glass Cannon would perform better, also one armor core changed for WD 🤔

work in progress

[hexed steppe]

if oblit is the only source of total weapon damage then its kinda acting like an amp anyways. glass will see the same damage as max oblit...

[lime marsh]

Is rifle still sh*t weapon or getting better after got gearset?

[tawdry raven]

I wonder what item could have influenced the shock kills stat so much

[austere tree]

scorpio?

[lyric prism]

ok so this new rifle set, um.

am I going to have to make another one of my backfire DZ builds to make this something usable?

teh stack drop part is odd.

[urban latch]

you can deconstruct it into usable parts

[versed summit]

hmmm too many steps, can i have an evernote guide?

[lyric prism]

seems like an alternative to hotshot, maybe.

not...

[versed summit]

for rifles it sort of is

[upper rover]

Where do u have stats like this

[stiff jasper]

Go kit fi

[lyric prism]

I wonder if I could make an electronics set for Doctor Holmes or whatever out of this...hmmm...

wait no, Dr is armor. so ok, full blue.

[shy willow]

Zwia makes it not as annoying

[urban latch]

I was legitimately testing out a ninjabike backpack HH build yesterday, there's so many MMR gearsets now it's sort of worth running it to get a bunch of 2p bonuses. It still doesn't max out as high as vigilance, but it's not that far behind and has no downtime

[slow gyro]

But you always lose out on the gearset backpack perks, which can be a bad thing depending on what they do.

[urban latch]

I was basically stacking MMR/WD for headhunter, so was going for a bunch of 2p bonuses, not the 4p bonus

[austere tree]

seems okay for solo

[austere tree]

i think a sniper should be reaching 30m

might as well go with hotshot?

[shy willow]

its specifically built for maximum damage without vigi

i.e no downtime if you get hit

[austere tree]

i see

[slow gyro]

Does the signature sniper benefit from any bonues outside of the ones provided by the tip of the spear? Gearset

[austere tree]

around 28m

i don't have a good habsburg or araldi chest so i'm missing 8% WH

[shy willow]

headhunter

[onyx sage]

it does scale with mmr dmg

and weapon damage in general

wait maybe not mmr dmg. i need to check

[mint axle]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't because it's a signature weapon.

[onyx sage]

yeah. i think red cores do increase it, but maybe not mmr damage. it makes sense that it doesn't

[mint axle]

The red cores do increase it, and since it's a weapon that fires bullets, it's affected by HS damage. Not sure about CHD and CHC though.

[magic pilot]

It has crit

I've seen it in the stats page before

[slow gyro]

I'm guessing despite all that, it's not able to one shot bosses, as it does reduced damage to named enemies

[serene hare]

What is this?

[onyx sage]

you can still one-shot razorback with tac50 even with that nerf

[slow gyro]

And hunters? They aren't named so I'm assuming they take some serious damage

[onyx sage]

some of them are named but most aren't

but it requires stacking a ton of buffs to basically "buff past" that nerf

[slow gyro]

Ah I see. Are the named ones found in countdown? Haven't seen any in DC or NY so far

[onyx sage]

they're in the manhunt missions

[slow gyro]

Like Kelsos and Schaefer?

[onyx sage]

yep

[slow gyro]

Makes sense, although they literally have no name when I target them

[onyx sage]

the one in Schaeffer is named "Unknown", idk about the one in Kelso tho

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/Six6HkkI8jI?si=d7_ifrOlxpndV0kd

[onyx sage]

yeah those ones are just elites

[slow gyro]

And skill spammers lol

[austere tree]

just some silly build using TP (or ZW) and brazos to boost mag size

it barely works ig, but really not great

[west quiver]

when you're bored, makes your day hard

[serene hare]

Or be like be, who's bored and will start doing CPs to farm field recon data.

To totally optimize my build and end my day even more bored.

[west quiver]

I'm so bored that I started to play on my secondary account

[onyx sage]

same

[short oasis]

Hey guys, I'm coming back to the game after a long break, are there any great resources that are up to date for builds?

[magic pilot]

^

@short oasis

[small apex]

is there any up to date builds?

[versed summit]

^ @small apex lol

[upper rover]

Pinned are updated at least Y5S2 idk how much changed

[small apex]

thats what im looking at it kinda scary hasent been updated since

[magic pilot]

Not much has really changed

[versed summit]

It’s updated for relevant builds. I believe the Sniper builds are updated with the new meta MMRs

[small apex]

so nothing has changed really so they still good correct?

[versed summit]

And other stuff too. Still very relevant

[small apex]

alright thx

[magic pilot]

your build is first mine is second @pliant nexus

[tacit flame]

My main solo Heroic world build. Not for the feint of heart especially if you prefer survivability. 53% CHC/181% CHD/100% HSD.

[tame flax]

After they release so many different gear sets, the not for faint hearted build is still our ancestors build of glass canon n vigilance.

[versed summit]

good looking HE red.

[versed summit]

a work of art passed down generations

[tacit flame]

just trying to keep it relevant

[versed summit]

it’s still pretty relevant for raids and content where Striker’s can’t build stacks effectively

[tacit flame]

Its unfortunate that gear sets cant be upgraded with expertise or most of my loadouts would hit alot harder than they do

[strong cave]

Ah yes, I remember seeing these kinds of HE builds in dark zone on console. These builds did serious damage

[rich lotus]

Is there a list of all available mods for every skill?

[versed summit]

Maybe this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[jagged hare]

Hey, I’m running a pretty stock standard striker build with Elmo’s (original, I know). I have no problem “offensively” on Heroic content but I do struggle for survivability. Was thinking of swapping in a Pallisade piece for a little extra AoK. Thoughts? Or is that giving up too much?

I’m sitting around 53% CHC and 128 CHD

[urban latch]

giving up some damage for survivability is ultimately just down to preference. Imo armor on kill isnt that useful generally but you might disagree

whats your other non-striker piece?

[wise swallow]

if your not deadset on using elmo or striker. Hunters fury is strong and blends in AOK nicely

Something to consider if you wanna try out AOK stuff

[jagged hare]

Ceska chest with Coyote’s

[jagged hare]

I did start farming HF last week, just haven’t had any luck with attribute rolls yet.

I do have a well-rolled Negotiator’s build, but also all-red from memory

[urban latch]

Just checking, are you running a crusader/striker shield?

[jagged hare]

I have mostly used revive hive and striker drone. Haven’t played a lot with a shield. Is that the way to go?

[urban latch]

its by far the easiest way to boost your survivability, Id really reccomend swapping the drone for it

[jagged hare]

Ok. I’ll give that a go before any overhaul

Cheers

[urban latch]

you can also get some free armor on kill by running gunner, or a skill tier for the shield by running technician

shield might take a bit of practise to get used to, but a 6 blue core build with no shield has less survivbility than a full red build with a T0 shield. And if you want to improve your shield a bit swapping a red core or two for blue can help

[cyan drift]

You also get disoriented when your shield breaks, so it's sometimes better to fold it back up right as it's about to break

emphasis on sometimes

[frozen lion]

why we use Lefty in healer build...?

[solar sable]

IIRC so you can proc Sledge for extra damage for the team

[frozen lion]

have to use grenade to proc right...?

[solar sable]

Mhm

[frozen lion]

tks... looking for 1 healer build for 1st raid 🤕

[rocky rain]

What is Hazard Protection? How does it relate to the status protection tweaks?

[patent fossil]

It reduces the duration of status effects (burn, bleed, emp, etc) when they are applied to you

[rocky rain]

So they go hand-in-hand?

[patent fossil]

Yeah, I don't know the exact interactions with the new pvp interactions, I'd assume they stack normally

[strong cave]

With the way pvp is, hazard protection is almost a must (on PC anyways). Everybody and their mom is running iron lung umbra builds or they're running status skills while being a crit based build. Or worse of all, they're running a glass Cannon mortar/firestarter chem/vile build and want to camp their spawn. Haz pro in pvp is pretty handy, but it all depends on who you're going against

[gentle lichen]

You usually want a cav player doing that for you while you use your damage build

[tawdry flare]

The campus vendor still has a job

[limber zealot]

So I kinda mostly got Strikers build done (everything is more or less one optimization away from max roll, and I'm not looking forward to that kind of grind yet), so I was wondering what kind of build could I branch off to net?

[versed summit]

IS that the only build you have so far? a Hunter's Fury SMG build or a Hotshot Headhunter build would likely be next. It also depends what content you're most interested in. just open world right now?

[limber zealot]

yeah, that's my only build for now. I'm just wandering the open world for now and doing all my Specialization research. Both those builds interest me tho.

Hunters fury might be something I could synergize with since I was an SMG main, and have been using the Grudge SMG for some time now

[upper rover]

You could do Countdown build to do it more efficiently/netter

[limber zealot]

sounds useful to, but I'm not quite sure on where to get started on a Countdown build

[versed summit]

I'd look at the pinned spreadsheet for those guides. the hotshot guide should be under sniper setups

[versed summit]

STriker's works for countdown

[upper rover]

Pinned ike build and scroll down to Countdown it's with pfe

[versed summit]

One thing I'll say about countdown, it's great loot, but it gets so very boring.

[versed summit]

you don't need pfe

[upper rover]

U don't need anything so

[versed summit]

you need damage so

[limber zealot]

I checked the google doc for the builds, but can't find one that's geared towards Countdown? Or am I just checking the wrong pinned messages

[upper rover]

Are you sure u choose ike build it's in hybrid

[limber zealot]

oh okay, found it

[upper rover]

There's nothing wrong with running pfe tho, sometimes shit happens I had weird games, and for dmg well u also don't need you can get carried by 7 other ppl, is it wrong? Maybe, but I don't judge how ppl play

[versed summit]

there's no reason to recommend a new player to farm a pfe build for countdown lol

[upper rover]

Sure ig

Then he should farm incursion/raid build and after that there's no reason to ever farm gear other then for your own fun

[versed summit]

a pfe build is niche and not really necessary for any content in the game. Assuming they don't want to live inside countdown a PFE build is going to see minimal use.

[modest palm]

What’s pfe

[strong cave]

Protection from elites

[limber zealot]

Okay, I did some checking, and I guess I might try out some Hotshot builds first, then work my way up to a Hunters Fury later on since I can still use my current build for close combat. Thanks for all the inputs. looking forward to hoepfully have something that I can use to safely pick off those pesky control points www

[modest palm]

Protect from elite become tank build but not from mob and veterans

Not worth for me

[strong cave]

Yeah a 1 shot hotshot build rips for control points. It's a must-use when doing control points farms. If you're SHD farming and doing blueprints and going for resources, I recommend doing Outcasts control points over and over because they don't have helmets that'll mess up your rhythm 🔥

[modest palm]

Pair with head hunter and determine

And you’re gold

[zealous dragon]

can anyone give some advice (or help me get it) on how to getst. elmos engine? i like the weapon and want to to make it the weapon of my first build.

[modest palm]

22 million body shot dmg

[strong cave]

Countdown, matchmake, target assault rifles for loot

[limber zealot]

thanks for the pointers. I think I got a good grasp on what kind of build I have in mind now.

[modest palm]

On heroic?

[versed summit]

Challenging

[zealous dragon]

wich difficulty

[strong cave]

If your team has the DPS, go heroic. For quicker runs, challenging

[modest palm]

But that’s very low

Heroic might have chances drop exotic right?

[versed summit]

they both do

[modest palm]

I never see challenging drop exotic

[strong cave]

Same drop chance as challenging last I recall. Challenging gets you in and out faster. Heroic rewards more CD coins

[modest palm]

It’s all high end

[upper rover]

I dropped elmo on first run challenging so it's not that bad... (From idk 20 runs I got 3 exotics)

[modest palm]

I means I spent cd coins on exotic cache

[versed summit]

it's rng. targeting things like gear or weapons instead of brandsets will give you a lot more

[modest palm]

Never have NB MBP

[strong cave]

Challenging, unless you have the DPS with a good team, then go heroic. Target ARs for loot, and then at the end of every successful run buy a cache and open it

[modest palm]

Except NB kneepad

[strong cave]

The only difference between challenging and heroic is that the quality on heroic is slightly higher and rewards more XP and CD coins. The major downside is that it's harder to get through efficiently. Why do people go challenging? Because it drops the same stuff as heroic, slightly lower quality of course, and you get through it quicker... Making quantity > quality in a game like this

[zealous dragon]

ok thx, and no i dont have the dps or ateam XD (i am new and reached level 40 just yesterday XD)

[strong cave]

Then for sure go with challenging. My first recommendation would actually be to farm strikers gear

[zealous dragon]

No idea what that is XD

[versed summit]

that's basically it, but a big factor is when running multiple countdowns, if you fail a heroic you would've been better off just running challenging, matchmaking heroic is going to guarantee that happens at one point or another.

[strong cave]

It's a DPS gearset. Must have for starters in my opinion

[zealous dragon]

Oh ok. Wich gearset would be a good set for a st. elmos build?

[strong cave]

I gave up heroic when I started seeing atrocious builds

[strong cave]

Strikers

[zealous dragon]

Alright thx

Then i will get to farming in a bit

[strong cave]

Striker backpack, weapon damage + crit damage

Striker gloves, same rolls as backpack

Striker knees, same rolls as backpack

Striker holster, same rolls as backpack

Ceska chest piece, weapon damage + crit chance + crit damage : obliterate talent

Coyotes mask (exotic)

[modest palm]

There’s no way I can farm perfection the stats

[strong cave]

@zealous dragon ^^ follow that build, focus on leveling up crit chance for your new keener watch, get St Elmo's, you're set to farm anything after you make that build

[modest palm]

Or get full red stats

Umbra initiative GR3

🧌

[strong cave]

Well, it's a build that fully prioritizes weapon and crit damage. Pretty much the go to build for all beginners because they know enough to point, aim, click, destroy all targets

[modest palm]

Those take long time to farm red and perfect stats

[strong cave]

I had a full strikers build in like 3 countdown runs 🤣

[modest palm]

Well at least long

[zealous dragon]

Alright. (Another question: how do i increase my armor so i aint one shot in every activity? Did a raid with some people yesterday and realised i was doing no damage and nearly always one shot)

[versed summit]

you don't need perfect stats

[zealous dragon]

Also thanks a lot for the advice

[modest palm]

I tried run diamondback with full crit dmg

It feel like my gear crit dmg stats didn’t max out feel weak

least not super weak

[strong cave]

Well, there's a few ways to go about it:

1.) Trade weapon cores for armor cores

2.) take a backpack that has bloodsucker on it, or run memento backpack which gives bonus armor for every blue core you have

3.) you could also run heartbreaker so with every pulsed enemy you hit, you get weapon damage and bonus armor

If you're doing raids, you typically want the most DPS you can get and there should always be 1 healer

[zealous dragon]

Ok i have no idea what most things are but ill try to figure it out XD

[strong cave]

Weapon cores are the core attributes that are named "weapon damage x%"

Armor as the main attribute as "Armor: x amount" and skill core is "+1 skill tier"

[modest palm]

Weapon core give between 7%-12%

Rng drop depending

[strong cave]

Bloodsucker is a backpack talent that gives bonus armor for every enemy killed, and memento is an exotic backpack that drops trophies where enemies are killed. It gives weapon damage / bonus armor / skill efficiency for every trophy picked up and however many core attributes you have on your build

Also, heartbreaker is another gearset

[strong cave]

Up to 15%*

[modest palm]

What does skill effiency do? Work like weapon handling?

[modest palm]

15% is rare drop

I’ll just send straight to library

[strong cave]

Just like weapon handling, but makes the skills more efficient

[zealous dragon]

Ok got it. Thx a lot for all the help

[strong cave]

What's your build look like? I could probably tell you why you're doing no damage in raids

[strong cave]

I get them quite a bit, it's the sub attributes that fk me over on a lot of my loot runs

[modest palm]

so it bother you a lot?

[zealous dragon]

I dont have one XD

Just equipped some random gearpieces and the chameleon

[modest palm]

My ShD level only 41

Chameleon is nice

[strong cave]

Well, when you're farming for a ceska backpack and you NEED it to drop with crit chance, crit damage and companion talent so you can roll of the weapon core for an armor core, yeah it gets bothersome quite fast

[modest palm]

Idk where you get them

But i stupidly dismantled

[modest palm]

Quite fast?

[strong cave]

Yeah that's probably why. You're using a chameleon where it's only at its strongest with max stacks and only for 45 seconds, as well as using random pieces of gear

[modest palm]

Try look after gear set

[strong cave]

I've been farming for this specific backpack for over a month now. Every single time I get a drop, it's always the wrong sub attribute that drops but everything else is fine

[modest palm]

Brand set is minor

[modest palm]

Sound giving me a burnout

[zealous dragon]

Ok well i only have a few other exotics (pestilence, that lmg that doesnt run out of ammo and the ravenous)

[modest palm]

Pestilence is good I think

[strong cave]

Damn, somebody carried you through iron horse lol

[modest palm]

Scorpio is overused

[versed summit]

how? why?

[modest palm]

I never try raid in my life like I hate destiny 2 raid mechanic

[modest palm]

Just saying is too good

[strong cave]

Pesti is alright, more of a pvp gun if anything. Bullet king is fun but not viable. Ravenous is good only in raids or on a nego build for countdown

[modest palm]

But bullet king :(((

[zealous dragon]

Yea and dark hours too. They wanted to raid and needed one more so i said i could join but that i dont know anything so they thought me the mechanics and carried me through XD

[modest palm]

Red white blue

Man I’ll never enjoy raid concept through out entire video game

Fucking puzzle hidden

[strong cave]

They basically 7 manned it 🤣 I got my rav on my first iron horse run and my eagle bearer on my 12th dark hours run

[gentle lichen]

That's the spirit

[strong cave]

I'm SHD 1200+ so pretty much I live in the dark zone since my endgame content is done, all I need to do is min max my builds and farm max mods (not really required as long as the build's gear is maxed out)

[modest palm]

This game is friendly beginner yet low content

To destiny 2 is hardcore only with massive content 😵

So opposite

[peak sphinx]

With the correct built bullet king can be hella annoying in pvp the dmg is not terrible and the non stop rain of bullets is a pita lol. But only in a group cus solo you only win if you are good and the aint

[modest palm]

Umbra initiatives bullet king Kek

[strong cave]

I beg to differ. Everyone and their mom is running umbra with either a capacitor or iron lung. Iron Lung is worse

But BK is endless, so maybe these people are onto something 🤔

[versed summit]

so it's good if you can outman your opponent or your better than them, sounds like every other build

[zealous dragon]

Yep they did. All i did was do some red console in iron horse and in dark hours i just got in a circle when told XD

[upper rover]

What's the most cancer solo DZ build?

[strong cave]

And that's pretty much why pvp is toxic and dead in this game. People take it way too seriously and act like they're the best when theres not even an audience for division 2 pvp lol and it's a BUILD BASED game

[modest palm]

More like the most toxic loadout build in dz

[upper rover]

Pretty much same thing

So what is it?

[modest palm]

I like toxic word

Is funny for me

[strong cave]

If you want pure cancer, regulus build. But, for solos, 4 pc heartbreaker with backpack and chest

[upper rover]

Just full red?

[strong cave]

ACS 12 will be the gun you use against rogues

[strong cave]

All blue

[modest palm]

🤣

[upper rover]

And what weapons

[modest palm]

Running bulkshield

[strong cave]

ACS 12 and Eagle Bearer

[upper rover]

Oof raid weapons ...

Tho eagle is not but I ain't farming that shit

[modest palm]

Eagle bearer like same raid exclusive exotic in destiny 2

Low drop chances

[strong cave]

HB gives 1% weapon damage per stack and with the backpack, you get 2% bonus armor. All blue build will give 1.9m armor, plus another 200% from HB chest giving a max of 100 stacks and HB backpack giving 2% bonus armor instead of 1%

[upper rover]

Hm ok, but what would I want from dz anyway? It's just for fun no?

Tho lady death is dz I think?

[modest palm]

Just kill random agent

[strong cave]

Dark Zone is basically where people go to farm PvE content with the added pvp

[modest palm]

Become the toxic in dZ

[versed summit]

nah

[strong cave]

It's available everywhere

[modest palm]

Lady death drop in lz

[upper rover]

Then just eagle bearer?

And some named weapons I think

[strong cave]

There's a few dz exclusives, but most go to dz when they're looking to pvp while also doing PvE

[modest palm]

It’s pvevp

[strong cave]

It's got a small playerbase and most are above SHD 1000

[modest palm]

You get hunter

Are conflict like most people playing?

[versed summit]

don't go into dz expecting an eb lol

[strong cave]

I go there because there's no PvE content left for me besides max mod farming and resources to min max my builds

[upper rover]

Well yeah

[modest palm]

Either play different games

Like warframe is heavily grinding

[strong cave]

Conflict is okay, but most of conflict will be those who already grinded dz or they're people who strictly play conflict

[modest palm]

Hmmm

I get steam rolled while in gear score stage

Like deal no dmg to enemy player

[strong cave]

On PC there's a lot of familiar names I see in dz and conflict. Some of them I know as conflict dedicated players, the others I would fight in dz as well

[upper rover]

Kinda got bored from wf too much to do

[modest palm]

Yeah

Video game these day.

It’s all about grind or pay

[strong cave]

Pay mostly, in this day and age

[modest palm]

Perhap try play Warhammer 40k: Darktide

That least boring

But they’ll drop update in June 25th

[upper rover]

I still have ghost of Tsushima to finish, just saw there's new season TD2 so wanted to see if anything changed, cuz i played 2 years ago

[modest palm]

Vermintide 2 is alrighty just cool character interaction conversation

[modest palm]

New season is feel wack as I look

Man hunt Aaron keener

[upper rover]

They pretty much only added Countdown, descent, incursion, not even 1 raid, no 2nd WONY

[modest palm]

In dc.

And the summit

[upper rover]

That was 2 years ago

I remember the farm...it was fun tho going to floor 100

[modest palm]

I return the game after descent we’re added

[upper rover]

I'm guessing they added Countdown cuz summit is just way too long

[modest palm]

The countdown was recently added?

After descent?

[upper rover]

Idk there was only summit and raids when I played

[modest palm]

Oh

Yeah i guess

Can’t find more game to play?

[upper rover]

Back then it was either summit or Lincoln farm

[modest palm]

I’m burnout trying play destiny 2 story mode

[hexed steppe]

CD was added same time as expertise

[upper rover]

There was no expertise back then too

So idk

[modest palm]

Expertise need rework I don’t like spend material upgrading one gear the next gear is better than last one

[upper rover]

I'm just waiting for the first descendant, played beta and it was fun af

[modest palm]

I have wish list on it

Is been waiting for long now

[upper rover]

I also played outriders also fun lootershooter but eh need dlc to have more fun...and endgame is kinda oof

[hexed steppe]

Dont upgrade... only things that should be upgraded are weapons where the talent is free to roll and skills you use a lot, as long as it isnt a wasted stat

[modest palm]

Outrider is dead in water now

Much like borderland series

[upper rover]

I bought BL3 still need to finish dlc...so much time to waste...

[modest palm]

Kek

Im just bored now

Laying on bed typing discord

🥱

[zealous dragon]

does anyone have time to explain to me how build building works ? (in a vc if possible)

[upper rover]

Your own build? Or just how build works?

[devout iris]

So who got a build based on the new rifle gear set here

[magic pilot]

Wrong ping

[tulip charm]

Build based on your playstyle

Good thing I didnt ping (=

[upper rover]

Kekw

Anyway you build what you want to do, it's kinda simple

[zealous dragon]

in general just how it works

[tulip charm]

You farm gear and use the gear to make a build?

[zealous dragon]

cuz i wanna build around st. elmos but got no idea

[upper rover]

Depends on what you going for, but 90% of build is going full dmg chc chd and that's pretty much it

[upper rover]

Just do strikers build

Easiest is 4pc strikers coyote mask and ceska chest with obliterate full dmg

[zealous dragon]

how do i get the mask and the chest and the mask

[upper rover]

Are you lvl 40?

[zealous dragon]

yep

just got there yesterday XD

[upper rover]

Then just run countdown targeted loot strikers to get 4pc either high weapon dmg or high chd and recalibrate the worst. Mask just target mask and hope it drops. Chest just farm ceska chest hope it gets chc chd or obliterate and switch what u don't have

[zealous dragon]

how do i farm cheska chest specificly?

[upper rover]

U don't just ceska

[zealous dragon]

ah ok

[upper rover]

And hope u get 1/6 with good rolls

It's not that bad

[zealous dragon]

and how do i recalibrate that non exotic stuff?

[upper rover]

Uh u need to fill your library with god rolls in tinkering station>library feed the good rolls

Then you can use those rolls in tinkering station middle option should be recalibrate or something and you just switch them

You can also do it from inventory but idk what button it is on pc

[zealous dragon]

ah ok

got it

[urban latch]

This is slightly old because there was a recent patch, but really all that changed was the UI and renaming it from recalibration station to tinkering station.

https://youtu.be/ydsADciKSME?si=RaxAt1YiuynQ1LQe

Basic idea, start by filling out things in your library, use the things you add to your library to recalibrate things. Later on you can optimize items, although early on this is very expensive so I would save materials until you understand what is rare and worth optimizing. For now you can completely ignore the experience system, just focus on recalibration to put builds together

[devout iris]

Does anyone got a decent open world breaking point build? Cause I wanna try that gear set out

[cloud raptor]

What holster should I use for striker

[onyx sage]

what are your other pieces

[cloud raptor]

That’s what I’m rocking

Found it on YouTube but picaros isn’t doing anything

[strong cave]

ceska would be better than that holster

[cloud raptor]

I was thinking about switching for a striker holster and changing the bag to something with adrenaline rush

[strong cave]

actually better yet, ditch holster altogether and use a ceska chest piece with crits + obliterate

[strong cave]

memento would be better

then take an obliterate chest

rest all strikers

[cloud raptor]

Will that give me more dps or more armour

[strong cave]

both

[upper rover]

Striker chest is only if you can always hit targets

To keep 300 stacks

[cloud raptor]

So striker holster

[strong cave]

^^ ditch it. only useful in legendary or raids

[upper rover]

Yeah

[cloud raptor]

And ceska chest with obliterate

[upper rover]

Yeah

[cloud raptor]

Ok thanks

[strong cave]

should look like this

ceska needs obliterate talent, the screenshot doesnt show it but the numbers should be about the same

[cloud raptor]

Ok thanks

Been trying to grind for that ar all day no luck

[strong cave]

shd 4k but doesnt have st elmos lmao

but yeah run that setup and it can carry you through even legendary summit just fine

[cloud raptor]

Ahh thanks

Will it help more pvp too

[strong cave]

it can be used in pvp yes, but youll want to swap a few pieces around

[cloud raptor]

Ok

Why momento bag

Over hyena mask

[upper rover]

It's worse for dmg, but it looks like you are going for tankier build so memonto is not that bad

[cloud raptor]

Alright thanks again

[strong cave]

memento drops trophies to enemies killed, it will grant bonus armor for every blue core you have and weapon damage for every red core you have. 5 blue 2 reds is a nice amount of bonus armor

if you want the pvp version of a striker build, this would work really well in dark zone:

just swap st elmos for an eagle bearer

[cloud raptor]

Awesome thank you

I’m gonna grind for some stuff and let you know

And did you say you can’t get st elmo rn?

[strong cave]

good luck, agent. SMGs are targeted in dz south and i know everybody and their mom is gonna be there to get the apartment

[upper rover]

U can get elmo rn just run countdown

[strong cave]

you can, just target ARs in countdown and then at the end of every run, open an exo cache

[cloud raptor]

Ah ok I’ve been running it like all day any got like 10 chameleons

[strong cave]

if RNGesus loves you, he will give it to you

[upper rover]

Lol

[strong cave]

oh... he doesnt love you i see

[cloud raptor]

Lmao

[upper rover]

I got it on first countdown run

[strong cave]

welp, good luck waiting in line

[cloud raptor]

Thanks haha

[strong cave]

me who got ravenous on my first and only iron horse run:

[cloud raptor]

Im gonna grind the gear first

[upper rover]

It will be fr fr, just need to do it...

I made some cope af raid build hope it will be enough, not having shd chc sucks

[strong cave]

my advice: join a full team who knows what theyre doing. any more than 2 ftc's on iron horse and it instantly becomes an hour and a half raid

ive easily helped a full team of FTC's for dark hours but thats a simple raid... basically a big dps check is all

[upper rover]

I might just use chc mods and cope with low chd

[strong cave]

chc is better even if low chd