td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

Demo or survivalist for OD build to give team extra dmg? Basically 5% dttoc or 10% wep dmg?

[tulip charm]

Survivalist

You're forgetting more damage under status and fire nades

[shy willow]

Survivalist damage boost is an amp

Better than dttooc for OD

[rich lotus]

Dtooc not amp ?

[dull ermine]

Survivalist to also break chunga armor

[shy willow]

It's additive to other sources of dttooc

[rich lotus]

This is for PvP,not pve🤣

[shy willow]

Survivalist is a separate amp

[dull ermine]

Ongoing for pvp?

[shy willow]

Huh why OD in pvp

[dull ermine]

That’s wild

Good luck getting status effects on everyone running catharsis lol

[rich lotus]

Thats not how it works,wtf do u even pvp? OD melts u in half mag😂

[shy willow]

You need kills on status-ed stuff to proc lol

And people will just hard counter you with hazpro or cath

[dull ermine]

Apparently it melts in half a mag

[rich lotus]

Jammer? Emp sticky? Hive? Wut 😒

[shy willow]

If you're melting people in half a mag then your build must be made of glass

[shy willow]

?

[dull ermine]

catharsis

[rich lotus]

Nah 1.8

[shy willow]

People running hazpro or cath are basically immune to status lol

[dull ermine]

I run haz pro

Stinger hives mean nothing

[shy willow]

If you wanna amp run an empathic healer or something

[rich lotus]

Cath don't make u immune to status wut, also not many ppl run hzp,they only swap to counter,then u swap to TP 😂

[dull ermine]

IT LITERALLY removes status effects

[rich lotus]

U need 30 stacks to cleanse

[dull ermine]

That’s half the mag you claim to be melting with

[shy willow]

With everyone running blues that's not hard

Especially ouro

[rich lotus]

Yeah u all not pvpers i see 🙈

[shy willow]

Ouro fire rate is 25 rounds a second

Bleed em and it'll be gone basically instantly

[dull ermine]

I thought it was 1485 rounds a minute

[shy willow]

Ye you just divide by 60

[dull ermine]

But why do that, that’s only 25 rounds meaning you won’t get 30 stacks in 1 second on catharsis

Alr ima stop

[gentle lichen]

Hewwo doom

[rich lotus]

Who are u Pikachu?

[gentle lichen]

By the way

[rich lotus]

Go do dz PvP ty

[dull ermine]

Could have sworn I was there today for dz resources

[gentle lichen]

How is Europe? I haven't been on for a while

[rich lotus]

Nothing new,foam,shotty,oreos, striker,one pop snipers

[gentle lichen]

Onikage and pistol though?

[rich lotus]

[rich lotus]

Haven't seen him in an year,i think his mnk broke 😂

[gentle lichen]

I remember i grouped up with him like a month ago or something.
Imagine 2 pistol players on door

Trash talking went crazy

[clever merlin]

anyone tried the new 1pc brand set with brazos and TP you get 95% more mag size and mag size increase for mods is multiplicative too

[upper rover]

Is FMJ still a thing? I played over 2 years ago

[west quiver]

looks like you have to use Ninjabike backpack for this combo to work: 2 x TP + 2 x Brazos + 1 x Zwia

[dull ermine]

Well I have a 3 pc brazos build. It’s capable of 1 magging named enemies and has room for contractors or foxes. Have yet to sub in zwia

[dull ermine]

I still use it, it’s consistent and strong

[upper rover]

I'm struggling but could be skill issue after so long idk

[vestal ibex]

FMJ=The standard red DPS in the spreadsheet builds.

[dull ermine]

I mean if you have the build and your chc / chd is on par you shouldn’t be having much trouble

[upper rover]

I only did 1 mission so far, can't rly judge that well, but I died a bunch on the boss cuz i got overwhelmed, especially the little drones (I use diamondback) that are hard to hit, then there's the minigun dogs which can also fuck me up, but once I'm 1v1 vs boss it's pretty good

[vestal ibex]

Diamond back is kinda ehhhh, I'd say that's most of your issue.

In the pinned messages of this channel you can find the spreadsheet, on the Hub(builds) tab you can see tons of builds and the standard red DPS is what you know as the FMJ. Can give it a look and see if there are things you can pull from it. Otherwise there are tons of other builds you can farm/test if you'd like.

[glossy scarab]

I'm not too impressed with the breaking bad gear set or whatever it's called. Didn't like it in pts and it doesn't seem noticeably better now

[urban latch]

A build that just makes the mag 2x compared to a build doing 2x the damage will be reloading the exact same amount but will be killing things at half the rate

[upper rover]

Is farming better then before or still summit and pray you get everything?

Also kinda locked behind spec a lot of builds use the 3 specs u need to unlock zzz

[urban latch]

Countdown on challenging (which also has targeted loot) makes farming gear stupid easy now

[glossy scarab]

Countdown makes any other gear farming method obsolete

[upper rover]

What is that

[vestal ibex]

Specs are not game breaking and you can really pick whatever you want.

[vestal ibex]

It is the highest loot/min activity in the game.

[upper rover]

Some builds are like you need technician for free tech point iirc

[upper rover]

Even for exotics?

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like hybrid stuff.

[vestal ibex]

You can net an exotic cache every two challenging runs.

[upper rover]

Interesting

Any new game breaking exotics or still just Scorpio

[vestal ibex]

Top of the exotic list for me is-Regulus-Scorpio-Ouro.

[upper rover]

Hm regulus didn't exist back then, ouro there's a chance

And for armor? Anything new there

[urban latch]

Regulus was a thing before the Scorpio was

[upper rover]

Was it hm I don't remember it then

I can see why, cuz it's raid and I never did them

[magic pilot]

So everyone agrees Brazen is the best shotgun talent besides pummel?

[tardy flame]

depends on the situation

but no there are def others that make sense aswell

[versed summit]

I mean sure, but for general use Brazen seems to be better than basically anything else.

It’s simultaneously on kill and also not reliant on kill, can be procced than stay active after a weapon swap. And it’s just a 24% amp. Sure there’s situations where I’d rather have In-sync on a skill build, but that just seems like splitting hairs

[burnt gate]

Anyone tried that new overlord shotgun yet? I unlocked it a while ago and it's actually shockingly shit lol

[shy willow]

I could only see it being used in pvp

[gentle lichen]

What was the talent again?

[shy willow]

reduced movement speed on target per pellet iirc

[gentle lichen]

Talking about brazen btw

[versed summit]

For every pellet hit it applies 3% amp

Procs on 6 pellets for normal 4 for perfect

[gentle lichen]

How does that work exactly? Same pellet that applied the amp gets it?

[versed summit]

Works for next shot

So your first shot is going to be the only one not buffed, unless you miss your shot

[gentle lichen]

Seems interesting if you can keep it up

[shy willow]

up close it sounds very good

[gentle lichen]

But the reload on every 3 kills seals the deal when it comes to comparing it to pummel

Sometimes utility outweighs damage for me

[analog mural]

i think pummel is good but the timing is always horrible for me since id always proc pummel at the last enemy or if i proc pummel, theres no one nearby for me to make use of the talent

[versed summit]

It can, but it proccing after the first shot and staying up after weapon swap gives it utility you’re not really getting with other talents. Pummel reload is strong though, especially for running shotgun primary

[gentle lichen]

I mean if we're assuming HHHF pummel wins for me

Crit shotgun i can see brazen doing massive damage there

[shy willow]

i wonder how much a brazen ACS can do

[dreamy valve]

So a Six12 with brazen is just a worse Scorpio?

[versed summit]

@placid sundial stop lurking so hard lmao

[versed summit]

Technically better

[dreamy valve]

Really

[versed summit]

Definitely more damage, but no status affects and no debuff, just personal amp

[shy willow]

six12 is stupid dps if you hit all pellets and already have all buffs

highest in the game iirc

[onyx sage]

what is bro even doing

but pummel vs brazen is a bit harder to compare in hh than initially thought tbh

[versed summit]

No clue boss

[onyx sage]

pummel adds awd and it's around 15% for both no hh and full hh, meanwhile brazen being a self amp will probably only amp the bullet damage rather than hh stacks

so 24% amp while big will be lessened quite a bit in hh scenarios

[shy willow]

pummel m870 probably remains the way

[onyx sage]

that said, with no hh brazen will be better because you can't expect to get 3 kills faster than you can shoot 2 rounds out

[versed summit]

First shot damage could be very important though. There’s probably scenarios where someone could justify taking both. Brazen M870 for first kill, then swap to pummel for HH/Reload.

[onyx sage]

let me just napkin out how much brazen will bring for full hh

[shy willow]

personally I bring an MMR as backup

if HHF then probably

[onyx sage]

in HHF with maxed HF stacks, a 24% self amp just equals 6% effective increase at full hh

which is worse than an approximate 15% from pummel

this is assuming you really do get 24% amp from brazen though

did anyone deep dive on how brazen stacks with itself? is it actually additively stacking?

[shy willow]

i wonder if it amps itself actually

[versed summit]

I think iKia went into in in PTS, but I don’t know if he has looked into it this season

[onyx sage]

was it additively stacking in pts?

[versed summit]

That would be so stupid lol.

[versed summit]

AFAIK. He was calculating it like a normal amp that’s additive to itself

[onyx sage]

i guess i'll test it myself on stream

i don't think they're going to go out of their way to make it also amp hh bonus, but i could very well be wrong and they know how hh works

[urban latch]

I would be amazed if the current dev team knew how HH worked lol

[dull ermine]

You doing manning this week 👁️

[onyx sage]

of course

[magic pilot]

Does brazen (24% amp) on six-12 do more dps than Scorpio with the debuff? Obviously in a group Scorpio is better

[versed summit]

It should? Do you just want someone to test it tho?

[vestal ibex]

I think brazen will do more damage on average. It's not often you can even use the scorp on a proper build and get all 7 shots in unless it's a VERY high HP target.

[dreamy valve]

Test it so I’ll see about using it tomorrow

My favorite YouTuber hasn’t tested it yet

https://youtu.be/IL701o2agH8?si=hPehD9jCQSdsLkue

Scolpio

[upper rover]

Is eclipse protocol cc build good for solo or it has 0 dmg?

[vestal ibex]

CC best support for groups in missions, the fire one is really good for solo heroic and even group.

The only issue you might run into with fire EP is armored targets but the capacitor will carry you if you come across chungas.

A word of advice when using the build guides is to actually read thru them top to bottom. It will save you time and effort.

[upper rover]

This one has no description

Just build

[vestal ibex]

Hence why I say read the entire thing because it is in there.

[upper rover]

What? Where is the description? I see build

[onyx sage]

it's a hyperlink if you haven't clicked on it yet...

[upper rover]

There's hyperlink there?

[vestal ibex]

What are you looking at?

[onyx sage]

it's a link lol, if it's white and underlined

[upper rover]

Description is usually here, 2nd is example of description what build can do

[vestal ibex]

Link in the spreadsheet about EP builds

[onyx sage]

scroll down

[vestal ibex]

I feel like this is a mobile format issue. I've looked at these on mobile with no issues so idk.

[upper rover]

And then what?

Down there is build what to equip

[onyx sage]

i think what he's asking about is why there isn't a blurb on what EP does

also @pearl atlas there's a person who keeps spamming reacts

[vestal ibex]

pls no I like me reacts

This is why we can't have nice things.

[vestal ibex]

So your asking how the build works and what to expect from it?

[upper rover]

Yeah, best example is razorback hardwire jammer it tells exactly what it will do in description/when to use it etc

[onyx sage]

ask @urban latch nicely and he'll put it in the guide

[vestal ibex]

Ah yeah EP is just inflict status and on death it spreads.

So for the CC version your goal is to lock down enemies so your team can kill them and spread the foam status. With fire EP it's to set the world ablaze and use your capacitor to help kill and spread while also gaining stacks making your fire do more damage.

[upper rover]

Hm makes sense ig

So it's just aoe fire build pretty much

[vestal ibex]

Fire EP is my favorite skill build by far cause it's very active, not sit and wait for skills to eventually kill. Fire EP is actually really good damage.

[onyx sage]

i have a build that causes explosions on headshot kills

[upper rover]

Isn't there another build that's aoe bleed

[onyx sage]

not really, bleed is just worse fire

[vestal ibex]

head hunter

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[vestal ibex]

Bleed does so little damage compared to fire it's crazy.

[upper rover]

I build ace'n diamonds, but I can't hit any heads so that was a waste

[vestal ibex]

Someone drop the D word...

[onyx sage]

degulus

[tulip charm]

d

[quartz dagger]

Is having high headshot damage in PVE any good

[latent bough]

Hello, has the spreadsheet been updated or not yet ?

[onyx sage]

depends on the build

[versed summit]

parts of it. you'd need to specificy what exactly is relevant to you to be updated.

[latent bough]

A new build with the rifle stuff

[onyx sage]

i think the high council has decided for now it's just worse than the high end build

[latent bough]

Sad

[hexed steppe]

go nego. solid damage

[latent bough]

So no new builds to farm

[onyx sage]

maybe the real builds to farm were the friends we made along the way

[versed summit]

@latent bough this is gonna be your best bet

[latent bough]

Okay thanks, i'll try it anyway

[gentle lichen]

Don't farm gear.
Farm players

[onyx sage]

do you see why i'm carrying legendary matchmaking nowadays

[dull ermine]

@magic pilot is the 3 pc build you made worth over high end ?

With contractors / grupo

[gentle lichen]

Flexing status

[latent bough]

Can't farm gear if i already have the builds

[onyx sage]

💀

[gentle lichen]

Watch me outperform a cheater on zoo

plays shit music

[latent bough]

I'm the one getting carried on legendary

I don't know the spawns and tactics yet

[onyx sage]

the selling point IS the shit music wdym

[gentle lichen]

No it's the copypastas

[onyx sage]

okay fair

[gentle lichen]

I have seen the wildest copypasta actually

[quartz dagger]

Ok, thx

[magic pilot]

Which one?

[dull ermine]

Si

That one

[wise swallow]

you tried with m1?

I like it

doesnt move, the clicking is annoying but whatever

[dull ermine]

Obliterate tho

[wise swallow]

yea use spotter

unless you care about the small dmg difference

this is difference with m4

[dull ermine]

Spotter >

Consistency

[wise swallow]

I dont mind oblit if im using the secret juice

[versed summit]

Y’all sleeping on glass tbh

[wise swallow]

personally Id rather not die to a light gust of wind

[versed summit]

fair

[gentle lichen]

There won't be a gust of wind if you obliterate it

[magic pilot]

I Just don't feel like rerolling my chest 6 times when I swap builds

So I kept obli

[wise swallow]

why is bro reacting to every single godamn message in every chat

[versed summit]

Because he’s cackling to himself that’s he’s the funniest guy on the internet.

[gentle lichen]

First mistake was to acknowledge them

[versed summit]

Yeah my bad guys

[gentle lichen]

It's alright
Don't feed them and they'll eventually starve

[wise swallow]

well thats not fun

[gentle lichen]

I did enough dz trash talking to realise it's a ginormous waste of time

But i agree it is fun

[wise swallow]

its not a waste its fun

[gentle lichen]

Having fun is wasting time without feeling bad about yourself

[woven pewter]

Amen.

[wise swallow]

well thats a personal issue, I feel great about the horrid things I say to others on the internet

[tulip charm]

I wonder whats the worst you said

[hearty quarry]

What build should i go for if i use Shield?

[versed summit]

depends what kind of shield? but also you really want to make a build then add a shield to it

[dull ermine]

Hunters furry

Striker shield

[hearty quarry]

I would love to go for a damage build. And the shield i refer to is the skill

[onyx sage]

yeah but there are many different shields

[hearty quarry]

Rn i just have the basic one. Crusader. Ballistic shield

[versed summit]

how far are you in the game?

[hearty quarry]

Only lvl 30

[tulip charm]

imo I would use striker drone

I wouldnt rely on shield that much

[hearty quarry]

Oh okay

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't even worry about builds

[glossy scarab]

tried a HH breaking point build. does ok in a PERFECTLY timed scenario but thats never gonna happen in game

[tulip charm]

is that during the buff?

[magic pilot]

IMO brand set is not worth unless you are going for 3pc

And I think depending on the magsize the bp is better for top end dmg

[glossy scarab]

yes

and the diamondback buff active too

[tulip charm]

:/

[vestal ibex]

Well that's kinda misleading. What's it hit for normally?

[glossy scarab]

yea so not that great

lemme check

[vestal ibex]

Das youtuber bait....

[magic pilot]

I've heard with the bp, it's around the same dps as 100 stack striker

When the buff is fully procced

[glossy scarab]

😆 my sorry

[vestal ibex]

Yeah now you are gonna see that exact build up somewhere.

[onyx sage]

yeah they're stealing your build now. you've doomed us all

[glossy scarab]

18 million with just full HH stacks

[vestal ibex]

I mean that's ez solo play.

[glossy scarab]

no diamondback or breaking point buff

this build is much more reliable. this is with diamondback buff active

[upper rover]

What pistols are usually used are there any that matter (unless it's a build that focuses on pistols)

[tulip charm]

Regulus, Kard, Orbit, BLB

[vestal ibex]

D50

[versed summit]

Wouldn't say BLB or Orbit are used for pistol Primaries

[upper rover]

What's BLB

[versed summit]

Busy Little Bee

[bright raptor]

Busy Little Bee exotic

[upper rover]

Then ig Orbit is the best non exotic if u don't care about tech

[tulip charm]

Its only used if you arent maining it

[vestal ibex]

Tons of pistols get used for utility over anything else when you aren't doing a pistol build.

[bright raptor]

the KARD Custom (DZ exclusive or just trade your Countdown credits/GE stars for named item caches) provides an extra reviver charge if you equip it before tossing at a downed friendly

[upper rover]

What would be good for hunter fury build?

[tulip charm]

Regulus

[upper rover]

That's raid weapon and I don't raid

[cyan drift]

thoughts, hits like a truck but I might get a palside piece somewhere instead, cause you get shot so much with this

[tulip charm]

D50

[upper rover]

That's what I'm using then, idk if correct talent but yeah

[tulip charm]

Determined if you're doing HHF

[upper rover]

Nah I just go crit

[glossy scarab]

determined wont work there

not with that rifle and crit anyway

[tulip charm]

Wait what

[glossy scarab]

determined is for one shotting

and Headhunter

[tulip charm]

no that for the rifle build but for hunter fury

[glossy scarab]

ohh

[tulip charm]

Oh whats the primaries then

[vestal ibex]

If they are doing crit HF then pistol doesn't matter...

[upper rover]

Chameleon cuz it's fun, i was thinking Scorpio but idk

[tulip charm]

Oh then pistol doesnt matter since you're not gunna use it

[upper rover]

Oh welp

[vestal ibex]

When raid Fox?

[upper rover]

Probably never

[vestal ibex]

You want me to ask some people who might be able to help?

[upper rover]

Only reason to do raid is to get regulus and it's a headshot weapon so idk if I would even be good with it

If I can't hit head it's dead weapon no?

[vestal ibex]

Never know till you know. Poppin heads might change you forever.

[cyan drift]

nowadays you can pop elbows and get similar results

[upper rover]

Maybe it's easier with a pistol then sniper, but even when I was using diamondback which has small zoom it was kinda hard

I'm almost done with the build, just forgot u can only modify once...so I need to get chest with good subs or talent

[hexed steppe]

anyone feel like nego got a bit of an adjustment. it always wrecked but for some reason it feels like its melting stuff faster than usual

[vestal ibex]

I mean we have plenty of videos of it in action before. Also the math on how it works shouldn't be changed.

[hexed steppe]

ive ran the same setups with it for a long time now. it just feels stronger... i cant really quantify it past that tho

[vestal ibex]

Is enemy health the same? With the scaling being messed up in some areas maybe there is a tiny tweak else where.

[hexed steppe]

i really couldnt tell ya tbh. ran it through a few rounds of daily stuff today. pathway/tidal .
seemed like it was a breeze

[onyx sage]

hmm... what if they're reworking nego next

[hexed steppe]

ill have to check it out in the range ig . maybe its something with the transfer

they need to rework a&8s similar to the new set

[glossy scarab]

the game does feel a bit easier but maybe im just playing better i dunno. this build has plenty of survivability with preservation on both weapons.

[solar sable]

Well, time to get a 4th F2K. ig....

[vestal ibex]

I'ma laugh if they just fixed some of the game lag/hit reg and boom we all just perform better lol

[glossy scarab]

damn u dont have changeable talent i guess?

[solar sable]

I have three F2Ks, but I didn't even know there were changeable talents ;-;

[onyx sage]

maybe the 1000 bugfixes we got were all the friends we made along the way

[ashen atlas]

I just tested Aegis 4 piece build for the first time now I know it must removed from my stash 😆

[magic pilot]

Perfect focus> overlord

[modest palm]

Found super 90 max out dmg, armor dmg and headshot with eyeless.

Wondering going breadbasket

[onyx sage]

it's not dttooc, and you don't want breadbasket as the talent

[magic pilot]

Scrap it

[modest palm]

That’s only rare max out shotgun

As ShD 33

[magic pilot]

Keep it for now

Put pummel or brazen on it

[modest palm]

Sweet

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage

[onyx sage]

the part about swapping weapons i know

but even swapping talent????

[modest palm]

Looks like a bug to abuse

🧌

[magic pilot]

Brazen with flatline

You want the sad truth? @rich lotus

Striker or nego

RPK or L86

Best LMGs @rich lotus

[serene hare]

What you guys think it's better for this 1886 build, to keep 2 WH (chestpiece and backpack) + Contractor's gloves to get +5 and +8 DTA or should I use only 1 WH (Chainkiller) and change the backpack and gloves to the new "Zwiadowka Sp. z o.o." to get +20% rifle damage?

Or should I keep the Contractor and use "Zwiadowka Sp. z o.o." mask and backpack, leaving Drunk Punch / Habsburg?

Leaving Drunk Punch / Habsburg seems less problematic, since it's only +5 (drunk punch) or +10 (Habsburg) HSD that I'd be losing.
But what is better for the 1886, +20% Rifle damage + 1 ammo capacity or 5% DTA?

[hexed steppe]

No iron lung?

[strong cave]

No umbra??? I just cooked up a solo manhunt with umbra + RPK

[magic pilot]

For pve no

Are we not talking pve??

[magic pilot]

I think it depends on how much use each weapon, are you mainly using 1886?

[hexed steppe]

no clue tbf

[serene hare]

Yes.

[magic pilot]

And it's a headshot build I'm assuming?

I'd swap holster and backpack for Zwia and a providence piece or keep the second walker and run zwia holster

[serene hare]

I want each of these weapons I'm selecting to be useful on their own purpose, removing the Dodge City holster makes the Regulus barely useless.

I need a backpack of this new brand.

A backpack with HSD, weapon handling and / or Vigilance.

[magic pilot]

That's why I asked lol

[serene hare]

I figured out, the +20% rifle damage deals more damage than the +5% DTA

Objective: get a Zwiadowka backpack with 2 of those 3 stats, HSD, weapon handling and vigilance.

[magic pilot]

Yes it does

[serene hare]

And I thought I'd have to level up my expertise to more than lvl 10.

I even lost a few more itens to that, I'm Lvl 10 9/200

Now everything that I mark as trash will be discarted as such to get components.

[glossy scarab]

finally crafted a half decent one

[magic pilot]

Solid

[serene hare]

I didn't like using crit rifles.

I have one M1A CQB god roll and a few other weapons, but I couldn't make them really work and I got bored.

[glossy scarab]

yeah im just messing with it for the hell of it. i dont expect it to perform well. not in heroic anyway

[magic pilot]

Love the crit rifles

[rose iris]

i dont get the outgoing set (4x) with or without chest piece, any idea?

it's difficult to tell, if it works or not. LOL

[onyx sage]

ongoing directive?

[rose iris]

yeah that

[onyx sage]

you need to shoot an enemy that has a status effect

[rose iris]

especially with chest piece, sounds like a made up dream just to do more damage (yet nothing on hud shows anything, which is nothing)

[onyx sage]

that applies a mark. if you kill enemies with that mark on them you proc a buff for your team

which does include you

[rose iris]

but if im using that shotgun that has status (adds other stuff if you keep shooting, like shock)

[onyx sage]

that works

did you get special ammo after you kill an enemy?

[rose iris]

special ammo must be the buff...

[onyx sage]

yes

that ammo causes bleed and lets you and teammates deal 20% more damage

the chestpiece causes you and only you to deal 35% more damage instead

[rose iris]

thanks, i just hope it works. (not just display)

[onyx sage]

you know it works when you get the hollow point ammo

[rose iris]

i have to find pieces with defense cuz all damage is a no go :S

i afk on this now

ill be around, to help o_o

[shy willow]

If you want defence you can run it blue but you have to fully commit to support

Otherwise all red is the way

[tawdry raven]

has rifle builds changed with the new stuff?

[magic pilot]

For max dmg I don't think so

New brand is nice to use

QOL

[solar sable]

almost nailed that Banshee...

[plain girder]

Thoughts? I have wrong talent on backpack going for vigilance

[warm knot]

Idk, not sure... I can deal 2.1m with a diff build using baker's (with vigilance)

Still have to try the new high end gear tho

[magic pilot]

Bakers is one of the worst rifles

[warm knot]

Ikr, unfortunately I don't have a good m1 to run flatline... Baker's all I got for now.

[magic pilot]

Rip

[serene hare]

Man, I tried to use the new named Zweihander gloves on my 1886 build, just to be 1 pixel away from one shotting heroic named.

If I get that damn Zweihander backpack the way I need and I still don't one shotting them, I'm sticking that gun inside my damn storage cache.

[rich lotus]

Should I have at least 50% CHC on a Hot Shot sniper build? Or should I go HSD and CHD? Or HSD and Weapon Handling?

[muted dagger]

HSD/handling if you're doing Determined Hotshot probably, you do so much base damage that crits don't really matter at that point

[rich lotus]

With chest and backpack Habsburg?

Also is Vigilance too overpowered? If so should I go Bloodsucker?

[muted dagger]

Well if you're maintaining the Hotshot talent then Bloodsucker probably isn't as necessary

[rich lotus]

And what mods on mask, chest, and backpack? Headshot Damage Mods?

[muted dagger]

Yes, personally I use ninja BP so I can have the Hapbsburg 2pc and run Chainkiller chest too

[muted dagger]

Yes as much as you can stack

[rich lotus]

Almost every YouTuber, Reddit, etc are against the Ninja Backpack for sniper builds.

[muted dagger]

It's personal preference after all, if you have it you can test Vigilance and Ninja and see which performs better for you

[rich lotus]

Ok thank you.

[hearty timber]

The mop vs thorn?

[modest palm]

the only exotic for my cowboy slinger build with dodge city holster

[versed summit]

It depends? Preference I guess, I have no idea what you’re using it for

[versed summit]

Vigilance is just more damage you don’t really get a lot out of running NBB IMO

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KzC0GZQBlBGPqJsprkC4Svj8L+gBMaS6sAHERAseJQQ2pmJDPIx0wCwBsoXMSMU4joZMLQSiR6YvHAB2OF0iwuYNV2V8GmAJygWOYoUGVyYXYRVwwfDZR6Q9wpsHTgtPMAvg8DukqwOCJAA

[versed summit]

Y tho

[strong cave]

^^ somebody made this build in a YT video and recommended it for dark zone............... Why. Just..... Why.... They could barely clear a fkn landmark with it!!!!! AND THEY SHOWED NO ROGUE GAMEPLAY OR FIGHTING

[strong cave]

Exactly what I thought 💀💀💀

[versed summit]

Yeah that is literally not a build lmao

[strong cave]

Dude, you can ditch 2 PC aegis and take 1 piece foundry with an armor core and throw on sokolov and get so much more that way

You better believe i left a long ass comment on that video 🤠

[strong cave]

The description said, and I laughably quote: "this build is meant to imitate the damage output of rogue agents in the dark zone"

Rogues don't take that build I'm sorry 🤣🤣 we use way better

[warm knot]

Btw this is the setup I'm running. I found this on YouTube. In the video they run the gift, but then I came up with the Tommy idea . I might get a PS bp instead.

[solar sable]

yt builds... yuck

[versed summit]

very ww2 at least

[warm knot]

Also, I still have to find a good m1 to run flatline.

[analog mural]

is rigger better than all high end build for turret/drone skill build?

[versed summit]

rigger is worse than all high end build for turret/drone skill build.

[hexed steppe]

no. 3 empress, 2 hanna, 1 wyvern. glass and tech support

[strong cave]

Rigger would be the worst for it. It's really only good for throwing shrapnel traps on ad spawn doors and then cancelling the skills before the rigger timer runs out (of course let the ads blow up first before cancelling)

[analog mural]

what does tech support do? is it any better than combined arms?

[hexed steppe]

It's less than combines arms, 25%, but it has a long duration and much better for turret/drone stuff

I use perfect combined arms on something like mortar tho since you just need it procced for when mortar hits

[strong cave]

Tech support gives skill damage to skill kills, combined arms work well with in sync or capacitor exotic. One gives skill damage by shooting your gun, the other gives skill damage upon killing enemies

[versed summit]

I'd say it's preference for combined arms vs tech support. Perfect combined arms is technically stronger as a bonus, & you should already be shooting to proc capacitor stacks/in-sync

[strong cave]

I just said that 🤣

[versed summit]

skill damage upon** skill kills**

[analog mural]

hmm yea the uptime does make sense because peeping out for a shot or two feels kinda risky

[strong cave]

Yeah that's what I meant, I wasn't specific enough lol oopsies

[analog mural]

what about kinetic momentum? is it a solid option?

[versed summit]

we didn't say the same thing tbh

[versed summit]

yes, a little less than glass but a great option

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it can be. Long uptime will keep the proc for a while

[analog mural]

does kinetic momentum increase the damage of your skills when they are deployed though?

[hexed steppe]

Glass or perfect glass still stronger options, but turret/drone is pretty flexible

[analog mural]

i see but in the end skill builds are just meant to be for messing around with build diversity coz its slower than a standard red dps build right

[hexed steppe]

This is what I use for turret/drone

[versed summit]

basicaly an AFK build, definitely slower once you have a decent DPS build

[analog mural]

wait why providence? or is it the sacrifice chest?

[strong cave]

Sacrifice chest

[hexed steppe]

It really just depends on the build. Mortar or fire eclipse both fast killing skill builds

[hexed steppe]

Extra 5% amp

[analog mural]

i feel like fire eclipse is kinda weak on heroic due to the large enemy hp

or maybe im building it wrong

[strong cave]

It's doable, just takes a while. Have to keep the status applied to really get the damage going

With my status builds, I run status effects + skill damage where I can. 4 piece Eclipse; Chest is mandatory. Wyvern backpack with skill damage + status effects + creeping death + skill haste mod. Then I'll run a second piece of wyvern wear for status effects bonus, and then run status effects + skill damage for those attributes. Stinger hive for taking down spawns and clustered enemies, then I use fire sticky or firestarter chem

[versed summit]

I wouldn't recommend dropping the Eclipse backpack, and I find stacking Status effects & skill haste to be more beneficial tbh

[vestal ibex]

The backpack is 30 amp... Why would you drop that?

[urban latch]

Too OP

[strong cave]

Only for creeping

For pure damage I'd go with backpack

[analog mural]

i find eclipse with bp and chest + vile mask is common, what off-set piece should i use for eclipse?

[strong cave]

Electrique

[analog mural]

for more status right?

just stack status and skill haste for eclipse and that would be fine right

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtAjATGAMeWA+LltbAXMAbJGAnAhEuBuhVgCxLRomSxLkvqZ12teVzZJGce3DNgDs+IZJaYooMFTAFxEAKwRIK2ipiqF0qFXUKCeFQlxhRRadDwKV4s-Bx7KmUTPVRwF4OJtgSHhcQA

^^ that's the build I run for doing skill damage and status effects, used to be the only build I'd run when doing solo heroic. It can do it, just gotta play pretty slow

[vestal ibex]

Fire sticky/fire starter chem should be plenty enough to run heroic with ease. Are you using a capacitor to gain stacks for 60% more skill damage along with finish enemys to spread fire further?

[versed summit]

not running fire chem is a crime

[vestal ibex]

If damage feels like an issue I woudn't get creeping death tho. Trading a 15s cool down for 30% amp is wild...

[strong cave]

I typically use fire sticky to hit them when they're walking out of spawn doors, when it goes kaboom they get staggered and they burn 😎

[urban latch]

You've got to play slow because of your setup... It's one of the top speedrunning builds in the game lol

[strong cave]

But chem fire is way better

[strong cave]

Oh for sure, if I need to Speedrun I'd run that with the EP backpack and chest

[urban latch]

Ok... Why are you running it that way.... Like for what purpose

[urban latch]

You normally just run both fire chem and sticky

[strong cave]

What purpose? Basically to play in a group and do skill damage while also doing some crowd control

I like both, so I made a build to suit what I wanted

[urban latch]

In a group that 30% damage is even more important than solo...

[strong cave]

There's better I know, but I find the build super fun

[urban latch]

I give up lol....

[analog mural]

if i want to run stinger hive and fire sticky on EP, what spec should i use? 🤔

[strong cave]

Firewall, for more burn duration

[analog mural]

also do enemies shoot at you while they are burning?

[strong cave]

I gave up the 30% so that way I can instantly spread to nearby enemies without focusing 1, they all go running, and they're too far away to spread upon kill

[versed summit]

survivalist is a good option as well, buffs your teams damage to status affected enemies, which should be everything, gives you a little extra skill haste and crossbow for dealing with chungas

[strong cave]

No, they run away screaming. Music to my ears 🤤

[versed summit]

is your team not killing them? also I imagine they'd die faster if you had the backpack on...

[analog mural]

🤨

[strong cave]

I'm usually the first to walk into a room so they leave it to me to shoot my sticky and set the whole room aflame so they can clear it out

Hence why I went creeping. It's how my friends and I play, it fits our playstyle

[strong cave]

Once you get a taste of being a pyro with Eclipse, you'll love watching the world burn

[analog mural]

why yes i do love running eclipse in lincoln memorial on challenging to farm true son optimization mats

[strong cave]

So damn fun 😩

[hexed steppe]

No amp bag, no capacitor... definitely low damage... using 2 wyvern for double dipping your fire I get, but not capitalizing with capacitor to really stack in extra skill damage I dont get

[strong cave]

Scorpio is optional, capacitor would be way better for sure

[hexed steppe]

On a damge build yeah. I dont really feel creeping is ever worth it nowadays. Technically if running creeping it should be perfect creep. I dont think it's worth because focusing fire* it's just damage loss for spread that will happen anyways. For cc I dont think it's worth because sometimes its gonna pick up scorpio procs instead of foam. Cc always gonna be a team based variant with scorpio so opportunistic is just more beneficial. Jmho

[urban latch]

Creeping is good for the foam setup, just not the fire setup

[hexed steppe]

I disagree

[vestal ibex]

I need to know some things. How do you use your skills, like if you use fire chem how do you ignite them?

[vestal ibex]

I would never take creeping over 30% amp. The spread will never compare.

[versed summit]

helps a lot by bypassing door boundries

[strong cave]

You're right on all of that, sadly with eclipse you either gotta trade skill haste for damage or damage for skill haste where you can get it. My build is pretty low damage, I just opted to trade up things to fit more for the group I played with back when I ran that build. I don't really use it anymore, which the numbers shows 🤣 eventually I'll fix the build so it performs better

[hexed steppe]

Like, with a team they pretty much mowing shit down... and spreading it for you. Creeping never needed. But that me, I just think its wasted potential damage

[vestal ibex]

I'm just failing to see why you suggested a person struggling with damage a build you have this opinion of... That makes no sense.

[hexed steppe]

Cap let's you stack in damage leaving room for haste rolls, mods will be haste... idk.

[strong cave]

Mostly for build variety, and to use as a build template more or less. I even specifically stated it's not the best

Also stated numerous times it works for the playstyle I had with friends at the time

[hexed steppe]

Shouldnt the best setup be suggested?

Or if you feel it's the best, you should be able to explain why

[strong cave]

Typically yes. Can't argue with that

ANYWAYS, here's this: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwNgtAjATG4AyWJOEwPWzHsC4Asq0WiyM2x56+SRGENcSlFFORtLzXaOArITAipuIrDmAB2SGU6yuOKMACcYPGCUAOSL17apEXuANbKCgqvXhdCUGAkrT0cGt5TrsNfIkLUULbclOBRg8BDwTTiA

That's how I'd update the build I recommended but STATED it's not the best

[hexed steppe]

I'm pretty sure every build design gets pushback and heavily scrutinized here.

[vestal ibex]

I don't get stinger at all tho.

Explosion builds make best use of stinger as the explosion impact does the damage not the bleed.

[versed summit]

The reasoning I've seen is avoiding stacking on the same status affect twice. you can bleed and burn enemies, as well as it being really good for spwans

[strong cave]

^^ that's why I take it

Also bypasses robo dog / mini tank armor

[versed summit]

I remember there being some contention if it actually scaled with explosives. like it's yellow and counts for hollywood or something, but still doesn't scale

[vestal ibex]

Well that's an easy test tho but I'm pretty sure I only see those numbers on explosion builds like 1.3 mil yellows or something for the stinger.

[strong cave]

I've noticed 😂

[hexed steppe]

Stinger is like an easy 20mil in a small package.

I used to use with fire sticky eclipse and it was helpful for heavies

But I wont even touch a fire ep build anymore, that's what mortar is for 😎

I'm all about cc eclipse

[strong cave]

Finally somebody gets it 😭

[vestal ibex]

Fire EP is still my fav skill build, it synergizes so much with an active gun shooting playstyle.

Mortar is too slow for me unless I use the hardwire set up cause I can destroy the mortar and keep moving.

[hexed steppe]

So.. mortar is only a 10sec cooldown on highend... hw not needed. Hw also low damage and probably why you dont like it

[analog mural]

uh i just shoot at my fire chem aoe to ignite it? sometimes the enemy does it for me

[hexed steppe]

Double tap skill button

[vestal ibex]

About to change the game yo.

If you shoot your fire chem on the ground you can double tap the use button again and ignite it.

[analog mural]

im sorry what? you can double tap skill button to ignite the fire chem aoe?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[analog mural]

what about on console? is it the same thing?

[hexed steppe]

Really handy when you prechem a few spawn doors

Same I imagine

[analog mural]

holy shit

[vestal ibex]

Yes hence why I worded mine like that.

You can also double tap the sticky to intantly shoot where you aim or the middle of your screen is pointed.

[analog mural]

i put off fire chem so many times because i kept shooting the aoe the moment enemies run out of the aoe 😭

but which skill deals more fire damage per tick? fire sticky or chem?

[strong cave]

I think sticky? I'm most likely wrong tho

[vestal ibex]

I always start fights with fire sticky and follow up ad spawns I know while they die from fire then ignite the others when they spawn.

Fire sticky is SO much more damage.

[analog mural]

also should i prioritize sticky on red ads so it spreads to everyone?

[vestal ibex]

I think that's a feel and skill thing.

I go for a yellow and use cap to gain stacks and kill them. Then all my skill damage is stronger.

[analog mural]

ayo what i just logged into the game and got 3 exotic caches out of no where? what is going on

oh wow the new info on double tap chem ignition really is a game changer

[strong cave]

Another user reported this, they also got 3 caches. I wonder if it's because of the XP bug for compensation?

[analog mural]

oh well free 3 exotic components

is it a bug really? because i feel like this is a kick in the balls along with the limited double exp cap

[strong cave]

Yes, some projects are supposed to give 700k XP and they only give 200k

Some of the dailies, so I've heard from several reports, only give maybe 20k. They're supposed to give a couple hundred K's

I also heard some public activities XP rewards are also lower too. As for how true that is, I have no idea, I did the manhunt objectives and went straight to dark zone and didn't care to test

[analog mural]

i think the regular activities and cp is fine

[strong cave]

They might be, but I wouldn't know. I'm SHD 1200+ and have nothing better to do besides server fights in dz

[vestal ibex]

Eh regardless of SHD level you want a proper reward for brain chemies, gib mah xp man.

[tardy flame]

watch them be like "sorry guys it was just "bugged" the last few years and its fine now"

and all the white knights will be okay with it

[analog mural]

typical ubisoft, but like theres 100 different problems and bugs in this game as of now but i still enjoy playing the game

[tardy flame]

oh yeah dont worry everytime they "fix" something there is a bunch of other stuff bugged

we cant even properly wipe on purpose in a raid anymore as of right now

im really curious about how long it will take to fix that :)

[analog mural]

wdym we can just uhhh throw grenades at our feet if we wanted to wipe?

[vestal ibex]

Nope.

[tardy flame]

duh

[vestal ibex]

Raid has some funk stuff going on and skills are like 50% effective right now too.

[analog mural]

oh yea my raid lead on IH this morning complained that his heals werent working lol

[strong cave]

Are you shitting me rn???

B R U H

And I thought bugged talents that one season in Y5 was bad....

Looks like project resolve was a setup to make the game dissolve

[gentle lichen]

Cheer up people.
Subgroups spawn separately now in countdown as intended!

[strong cave]

They fix countdown but break the raids. Seems like a fair tradeoff

[half cosmos]

how can i improve this as a bleeds build?

[urban latch]

Lose the OD chest to get a better chest talent

[half cosmos]

like?

[urban latch]

Pretty much whatever you prefer

[quartz ermine]

I don't know if it helps you with anything, but I use this

[strong cave]

You'd benefit way more using emp pulse and bluescreen

My buddy runs a pretty solid setup using OD and bluescreen, but he runs his with a glass Cannon chest piece

[half cosmos]

this one is my yello core one made in boredome so i know nothing specail

[quartz ermine]

I only use this build for Countdown :)) is doing his job

[half cosmos]

another with obli and 101 chd 60cch

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2EAGFbUfegXGArDBKrCAgJxaZWXZ4XAQQlxGVtXYDshao1-7FLias+ggRzAje42Rlx5uBYMmjByMTrE7FOrDsAAcIOOG4NwqSEk4V+2CXOwJsKmGoITcVqxEjd+IA

[half cosmos]

fifty is this one ok?

[strong cave]

^^ my buddy tried this on legendary. Somehow works

[strong cave]

Looks good to me, I'd personally ditch the vector for a famas since Scorpio does it's most damage up close. You don't wanna be too close, you're not a full DPS build like what striker would be

(basically I'm making changes to fit my playstyle and how I'd use this build)

[half cosmos]

i like how vertor sounds

[hexed steppe]

Cap wont boost existing fire. Fire skills snapshot skill damage when deployed. Cap stacks wont be effective until the next fire skill application

[strong cave]

Can't argue it sounds good, plenty of reason to me. I like the brapraprap of a famas more 😩😩

[vestal ibex]

Never said it would, it's just the most effective way to gain stacks quickly and to spread your fire sticky to the initial ads, then any follow up fire chems are stronger.

[gentle lichen]

Aim for 120 chd if you can.
You can put a grupo for example instead of walker

[strong cave]

^^

[half cosmos]

i will lose the chc then

the vector is not perfect

[gentle lichen]

If same attributes (chc and chd and same mod) nothing will change but a decrease in weapon damage and an increase in chd

[half cosmos]

my 60% is with only vector

[gentle lichen]

And what is it on scorpio?

[half cosmos]

51.9 and 113.5

[gentle lichen]

Your chc will literally not change if you get a grupo bag with same stats as the walker one

[strong cave]

^^ grupo gives CHD for brand bonus. Walker gives 5% weapon damage. No crits = no damage

[half cosmos]

welp time to farm

or check if i have hidden away

I HAD ONE PERFECT HIDDEN AWAY

[half cosmos]

i did

[half cosmos]

i swaped smg for shield spinter and it feels a lot better

is there a version of vector that has high accuracy?

[magic pilot]

No lol

[junior surge]

Explosive damage does not increase stinger hive damage

Just tested it aswell to make sure it didn't change with the new update

[onyx sage]

welcome to division school

[gentle lichen]

Where my diploma at

[hexed steppe]

Fair, but it indicates that you are starting off with decreased damage for no reason. Gotta utilize in sync mop or something to give initial burn some teeth if not prestacking cap.

[vestal ibex]

Eh in my experience fire sticky is plenty and don't need pre stacked cap. I play fire EP fast and in their face so once I'm stacked it's up and engage zoomies.

Caps bullets are the teeth in my situation.

[hexed steppe]

I'm guessing it must be only for low difficulty league stuff

[vestal ibex]

I do heroic like that too.

On lower diff I don't use cap or shoot really. No need.

[hexed steppe]

Sure

[vestal ibex]

Meh I'll make a vid and send it to you tonight. Heroic mission or CP?

[hexed steppe]

Not necessary. Probably better to just be dps at that point if relying on cap dps for the damage over fire

[vestal ibex]

Well I'm not relying on cap for damage? I'll just make a vid so new players can see what fire EP at top level can do.

[vestal ibex]

Congratulations!!! 🎉

[versed summit]

still haven't got mine... clan cache?

[vestal ibex]

Probably crafted...

[versed summit]

trueeeeeeeee

[half cosmos]

My bleeds build is bad against mech sadge

[magic pilot]

Clan cache lol

I should get to crafting

I needa booooost

[half cosmos]

How can i boost u?

[magic pilot]

You want to?

[half cosmos]

Eh sure but i first want to know what does it entail

[magic pilot]

Just running Lincoln memorial

[half cosmos]

How many times?

[magic pilot]

10

[half cosmos]

Whag difficulty?

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Heroic lol

[half cosmos]

Sure inv me same name as hwre

[half cosmos]

or should i inv u?

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna make a character and I'll invite you

[half cosmos]

oki doki

[magic pilot]

Your ubi is the same?

[half cosmos]

Yep

[half cosmos]

i am online

[magic pilot]

Check DMs

[half cosmos]

yo reply to DMs XD

[plain girder]

Hmm go with perfect opportunistic, similar dps while instead of danage for urself increase tagged enemy gets amplified damage for every1 in ur team

[half cosmos]

i do solo mostly

[plain girder]

Also go with survivalist if not alredy, amplifies damage 2 enemies by 10% by statis effect, if u givint every1 hallow rounds they apply status effect

[plain girder]

Disregard then but if playing with team perfect opportunistic

Like thats my go2 build for countdown

[half cosmos]

In count i just take striker

In solo i prefer ND and OD mainly i finaly made a heroic viable od with shield splinter and it SLAPS

[plain girder]

Striker is good but od gives dps boost 2 whole team combined with coyote mask+ perfect opportunistic+ survivalist for dmg 2 status effect enemy is overall a relly good dps support build can save countdown at times u combined all those boosts with the lefty for sledgehammer on hunters and can make countdown cake

[half cosmos]

I used OD with cayoti but aparently not that damaging

Rn i got cheska chest obli and grupo wicked perfect bag other 4 are OD things with cd cc i get about 60% chc and 120ish chd

So status and crit?

[vestal ibex]

You'd do more if you just went CHC/CHD, the bleed is not a good return.

[plain girder]

You yourself wont be hitting as hard as using striker but your amplifying every1 elses damage thats the whole point behind the build

[half cosmos]

I have that on my ND and it breases heroic and can kill legendary (only that i cannot take the heat)

[vestal ibex]

I'm not sure what what your goal is then. You want to do less damage but see your bleeds tick more/longer?

[half cosmos]

Striker? Or OD?

[plain girder]

Od

[half cosmos]

Nah i was told this bleeds build is good so was asking around how good and stuff

Especially with the bag giving a additional 20%

[urban latch]

Your using the OD in a group right?

[vestal ibex]

It's typically a support build. It's used to buff in groups but it's worse than FI and EP so you don't see it seriously used often.

[urban latch]

Whoever told you that was not a good source of info....

[half cosmos]

Solo...?

With a scorpio and shiled splinterer

[plain girder]

That 20% ia applied only 2 like the bleed damage i believe is not worth it just kill them straigh up with crit chance nd damage rather than wait for ticks finish them off

[half cosmos]

I dont wait for bleeds to kill them

The set gives 20%
the bag with wicked gives 20%
The obliterate gives what 25%?

I have cap chc

And 125% chd

And 6 redcores

[plain girder]

I mean are u using that for solo? If so then no point even going od tbh

[half cosmos]

Yea but hey its fun

[vestal ibex]

If you are having fun just do that.

[plain girder]

It is but ud be lacking damage striker would be better ur only amplifying ur own damage by not that much compared 2 just going striker

[vestal ibex]

Asking for advice on eh builds without saying their use up front is confusing af.

[half cosmos]

I mean its like my yello ND set i know its not gonna work in ppls eyes but hey its 5cores + tech for full core with 1 red core idk why ppl say its bad i see it work on openworld

Its fun for casual but i was genuinely told the red od would work wonders

[half cosmos]

Read from here?

[urban latch]

It's a solid support build but there's no one to support if your solo

[half cosmos]

Not even self?

[urban latch]

Self what?

[half cosmos]

Nothing joke fell flat like my damage 💔

[plain girder]

True patriots another good set 2 have, if some1s alredy runnign od u can run true patriot as another damage amplifier for the team since od bonuses dont stack ur still gettibg the same hallow rounds just from 2 players

[half cosmos]

I hated true patriot

Too flashy for my liking

[urban latch]

TP is just a discount OD

[half cosmos]

My friend loved it (probably cuse thaf was the only set he farmed lol) and i was like bro try something else

[urban latch]

Instead of a fairly consistent 20% bonus to teammates you end up giving an inconsistent 8 or 12%. It's honestly pretty awful

[half cosmos]

Its only "good" point is making a dead enimy into a grenade lol

Anyhow i am thinking of getting umbra set next

I think i saw a tallent that did something like grants talent that gave all buffs one would recieved in cover outside of it

And it would probably go well with swayer pads

Huh i must have read wrong there is no such talent

[plain girder]

Well is.gives debuffs reduce armor and whatnot combined with some1 running od

[urban latch]

The damage buff is really the only noticeable buff

[plain girder]

Is kinda rlly good cus damge boosts are not dependent on wether u have hallow rounds or not

• hollow rounds dont do much 2 robotics so true patrot would be better against say black tusk

[hexed steppe]

cc eclipse, surv , scorpio, opportunistic ftw ... way better than tp or od 😎

[magic pilot]

the crit stats are 52/193 unoptimized

[wise swallow]

DOnt tell me the DZ tards were right

[magic pilot]

might run companion bp

was thinking of running zwia mask

[wise swallow]

It cant be

cap is actually good on a red build

[magic pilot]

47 mag with zwia

[wise swallow]

hows it do DPS wise

also 1.4m armour

[magic pilot]

i wanna blue core the bp before i run it

ik ik

[wise swallow]

so is cap actually good

or is this just testing

[magic pilot]

testing

could be good, crit stats are nuts

[wise swallow]

no amps tho

[magic pilot]

100.5% Wd

[wise swallow]

right cuz brazo

[magic pilot]

game just crashed

[wise swallow]

L bozo, idk about tech tho

worth 7.5% WD?

[magic pilot]

couldnt handle me cooking

i think so for defender drone too

[wise swallow]

what does drone do with this

like 15% PVP?

[magic pilot]

need to check, just got the max mod for it

[wise swallow]

I like how defender drone is stronger then the whole fucking aegis gearset

[magic pilot]

15.9

[wise swallow]

YEa ubisoft logged me out

[magic pilot]

lmao

[wise swallow]

Im a knower

thats pretty good

save a few bullets BTK

and now I cant log into my account cuz my gf no longer has that phone number WOOO

[magic pilot]

rip

text the number

[wise swallow]

No idea if its in service or not

I figured it out tho

Sometimes I wish ubi would unban my old account

[magic pilot]

80% WD with one red

[wise swallow]

I assume thats pic in your SS

[magic pilot]

?

[wise swallow]

I assume the holster is picarios in your screenshot

[magic pilot]

yes

[wise swallow]

uhh why run zwia

3 braz is much better mag

[magic pilot]

Oh right lmao

Didn't even think about it

[woven pewter]

With finisher buff, right?

Crits seems high to me. 😱

[wise swallow]

no thats before any buffs

[wise swallow]

itll be like 60 round mag

I need brazo knee

[magic pilot]

no just capacitor

30% chd mod on the gun remember

[magic pilot]

capacitor meta?

[wise swallow]

the youtubers were right all along

would NBP be worth it kinda?

[woven pewter]

Oh shiet! At optimized you'll get 60/198!

[magic pilot]

what else would you get?

[wise swallow]

walker or some shit, its mainly for the 22.5% WD and a bluecore

[magic pilot]

hmmm

[wise swallow]

id argue its better then meh uptime vigi and fenris

even if you get no bonus really

might aswell use memento then

[magic pilot]

it would hurt crit a lot

id just run ad rush

[wise swallow]

ill see how bad it hurts crit and how much it helps WD

[magic pilot]

he is right, optimized its 60/198, so you could run matador and drop ceska in dz group

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwdgtATGybAMYFMS5aBcBWTqwEZ99g1coSl0IEoYoaAOXcpxdAFnBvhefPYDYwbBLR5i+EQVzLjZcSsACcQsIsZ5s+TOA2CNjPniUqCOKmH4J6OPrznt0djE9RA

with ninja

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IzC0CZQZg2AZQKYly0C4AsDI0pATgA5VS0z1wdpZcTyGLMB2WPMjxpLANlGxqQunJgFY28EcO7goBfqGKhgo8StYq+K+hWByFYcVVA8ERcQ3TSpWK1NR3rcIA

matador

[magic pilot]

also we need to run dz before Tuesday reset, i need to buy those emperors

[wise swallow]

what are they haz pro?

[magic pilot]

chd

i have hsd already

[wise swallow]

hmm ok

tmr after 4 I can

or later today at like 9

[magic pilot]

i work today and tomorrow at 5:30 rip

[wise swallow]

weekend then

[magic pilot]

can probably sunday. work 2-9

[peak sphinx]

New brazen talent is inconsistend depending where you stand at shooting range. 5m target so all shots hit i did 634k max i step to the left one but shoot same target i get higher dmg... weird

Unless shooting range bugges it ofcourse

[plain girder]

It dont give any buffs 2 team lol is a solo build+ yd u wanna remove eclipsw backpaxk or chestpiece is kinda what makes eclipsw protocol eclipse protocol

[hexed steppe]

Cc ep is team based, and pointless solo. One would just use fire solo. no damage in foam, so backpack not needed. Chest is used tho. Team gets 3 different amps, surv/scorpio/perfect opp. Can also proc sledge with that incendiary nade for another amp...

Od and tp also team based sets and kinda pointless solo..

[plain girder]

Wut do you mean? Eclipse on its own dosent really do much for the team like tp or od does tho and the fire spread on sledghammer dosent apply to npcs outside nade range regardleas whether it procs the eclipse talent or even with creeping death

[hexed steppe]

You get how cc works correct?

[plain girder]

Wut u mean by cc eclipse protocol?

[hexed steppe]

Crowd control with foam and w/e else preferred like jammer or fire sticky

Scorpio also controls crowd and procs opportunistic

Scorpio debuff is 20% amp for team, perfect opp 15% amp for team, survivalist 10% amp for team... you guessed it sledge also extra damage for a team

Plus everything is stuck in place

Its superior to od or tp any day ending in y

[plain girder]

Hmmm i guess it makes sense but you coukd do like a tier 6 od and use a shock track have similar effect whilestill giving all those dps bonuses ontop idk

[hexed steppe]

You can get some of the same debuffs since it's open to use same items. But having the status spread also helps. Team killing status affected npc spread the status even if it's not a damaging status.

Stuck enemies are pretty easy kills

This is an example I use in countdown. In regular content you wouldn't need the hazpro rolls. This is purpose built for cd/hunters where disrupt is common

[plain girder]

Y not go with lefty for sledghammer u can still proc opportunistic with it as u throw nades

[flint wave]

expertise 23 fire sticky

[flint wave]

yea lefty definitely better when running opp

[hexed steppe]

I main scorpio. Stage left is just swapped as the nade explodes then back to scorpio. Same sledge but a different ammo type in a pinch

[hexed steppe]

That's and old pic, before the cost reduction...
I think its 25 now 😆

[plain girder]

True but you could be procking opportunistic without changing over sometimes if you switcht out of and enemies set on fire but you on scorpio then cancels sledgehammer for them

[hexed steppe]

scorpio is the main damage producer, it procs itself , it procs opp at same time, it constantly applies status for the survivalist perk. sledge isnt the main damage, but is simple to proc with a split second swap regardless. its pointless to argue past that since neither weapon would be used other than a swap/proc... personally if i am to a point where i cant use scorpio, its probably because im out of ammo... i would much rather have another ammo type so both weapons arent dry at the same moment... 🤔

sledge does stay procced on weapon swap btw

[plain girder]

Ik that but if enemies get on fire after u swapped they aint gunna get the sledgammer proc

[hexed steppe]

you know you can reproc if fire is still going, unlike other grenades

you would be losing damage focusing lefty

[plain girder]

Yea but while ur doing all that swapping you can get hits and proc opportunistic with it rather than have 2 wait for nade go off and switch over if that makes sense

[hexed steppe]

you dont wait for the nade... you swap after its exploded. it only takes a literal split second and its all procced. so scorpio and opp is stacking while the nade is counting down to its explosion

you should really give it some extensive use like i have ... you might be surprised

[plain girder]

Yes, but the time from when you throw your grenade before it blows up your on ur rifle unable 2 procc opportunistic lol thats what im tryng 2 get 2 but yea i feel you if it works it works 🤷‍♂️

[hexed steppe]

no

you throw the nade with scorpio in hand

you hit the rifle after everything is engulfed in the flames

[plain girder]

Oh i see now wut u mean

[hexed steppe]

split second is all

if new npcs get in the flames, another quick swap and they sledged too

[plain girder]

Yea that makes sense

[hexed steppe]

i got ptsd from capacitor/testsubject use.. i like having different ammo types now a days /s

[plain girder]

I gtta get the practice of doing it like that rather than swap and throw it wait and swap then lol

[hexed steppe]

incendiary is the only one thats good like that. for other types you would need good timing to be on weapon as it explodes to proc

[plain girder]

Yea thats probably why im used 2 doing it like that couse i use the flamethrower nades in pvp aswell to proc sledghammer and wouldbt work if i did it like you mentioned

[hexed steppe]

yeah im all pve, no clue how it would operate in pvp

[plain girder]

Kinda same just gotta like lead players into like traps like run away have them fallow you throw it on their way hopefully they cant roll out of it lol

[dreamy valve]

Ok guys whats the verdict, Breaking Point or Zwiadowka for rifles?

[wise swallow]

havent read the gearset or tried it but I like Zwia

[magic pilot]

Zwia good

Gearset is meh

[onyx sage]

also brazen is brazy

i killed zoo boss in 2 six12 shots

[dreamy valve]

bug?

[onyx sage]

no, the talent is just wicked strong

[dreamy valve]

gunna miss these op builds

after 2.0

[onyx sage]

lol

it balances out. most of the new stuff they're coming up with are meh anyway

but if talents are still going to be accessible without seasonal characters, it doesn't matter. if it's a good talent, pair it with an excellent brand or gun and you already shook the meta

[shy willow]

Wtf

[cloud raptor]

For guns I use lady death or dark winter

[shy willow]

Build is good it's likely your playstyle

Gotta make use of cover and only use the shield as a buffer

[cloud raptor]

Ok

Any weapon suggestion

[shy willow]

Maybe use a banshee or mp7 over dark winter

[cloud raptor]

Ok I’m not too good at these build things

I followed a YouTube video way back when

What should I rock on the mp7 or banshee for talents

[shy willow]

Strained and fast hands are top options

[cloud raptor]

Awesome thanks

[serene hare]

I wish this Zweihander backpack had HSD instead of protection to effects, but hey, it works.

I think I'll still grinding until reaching the perfect build, tho.
I'm almost there, dammit, RNG.

I wonder if that 10% HSD would make it reach 20 millions, tho.

[solar sable]

Interesting SHD level you got.

[serene hare]

Yeah.

[modest palm]

we call him the devil

[serene hare]

Does this shit has any use or I can gently deconstruic it?

[hazy steeple]

Assuming those are the Bloody Knuckles, then they're for boss DPS and not a lot else.

[serene hare]

Bosses dies in seconds anyway, so it's decided.

[flint wave]

alternative to coyotes mask as a big overkill damage buff most useful with the survivalist specs grenades

occasionally like putting it on for heroic countdown but it is kinda high maintenance

[serene hare]

Survivalist is the only espec I don't use.

Used to be Survivalist and Demolitionist, but Demo is super good with skill builds with Cluster mine.

Not like I use it a lot, but it's presetted already.

[magic pilot]

Keep bloody knuckles

@serene hare

Great for incursion highly recommend

[serene hare]

Already gone.

[magic pilot]

Rip

Those took me so long to get, was my last exotic

[serene hare]

I got it in one of those 3 exotic crates from the update.

I got one before too, but I deconstructed it too a long time ago.

[onyx sage]

i'm still waiting for ninjabike backpack

[magic pilot]

Really?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[serene hare]

I had 3 of those

Never used, tho.

I know it's useful, I have one with me.

[onyx sage]

i need it for a meme build

[serene hare]

Ngl, I thought I'd hate this +1 bullet on my guns (Idk, makes Regulus to look weird), but this is pure satisfaction.

Wouldn't be cool to have a S&W .500 in this game, being the only revolver with 5 bullets with the slowest fire rate of all sidearms, dealing like 1 million damage as base stat?

Ok, maybe 1 million would be too much, maybe something like... max 800000.

800000 DPS, 100 rate of fire, 5 ammo.

[onyx sage]

the world if striker dealt more than 800k dps

[serene hare]

My RPK does 1,5 million per crit.

[magic pilot]

Love the build and look

[serene hare]

Tried my best to do a Red Harlow build

So sad I can't paint the hat, but ok.

I have no idea what the f is this, but this weapon looks badass af.

This looks more like a W870 than the actual W870.

[solar sable]

IIRC it's a beta reward or something like that

[serene hare]

So we cannot have it anymore? Sucks!

[onyx sage]

yeah it's Enforcer in english, which i completely forgot about for that reason

it's a super 90

[serene hare]

Dammit, man, this is actually shit to not have this visual.

[modest palm]

it look same as enforcer

[solar sable]

@modest palm 👆

[magic pilot]

It was from pre-ordering wony

[tulip charm]

^

[rocky rain]

Does anyone has a good setup for a general tanks build? For Legendary missions mostly.

[tawdry flare]

I have this but I didn't pre-order

[shy willow]

I wish I had one

Like glue is my emotional support enforcer

[versed summit]

you're better off not bringing a tank into Legendary tbh.

[tawdry flare]

If you are bringing it make it have Hazpro and explosion resistance

Reminds me of rauceys build I saw

[strong cave]

@hearty timber

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwNgtAzGAMYExgIwxbNqNoFyg8-iU66CxqWArFEfLYnKZk8TsJCo2V8zhe7J2ZDsADlpRk3KZiwJkEAOxJgE4H0TA2G8FyyIQCLdGR8407PXBsKSvrBBspWEFgCcypDp4Q2IPguQQdy4gA

This is the heartbreaker build that I run, I like to call it my "EagleBreaker" build. Pretty easy to use. Banshee pulse tanky enemies, use the ACS 12 with flatline talent. Each hit on a pulsed enemy will give stacks of weapon damage and bonus armor (can also hit a headshot to apply pulse as well, build doesn't rely fully on Banshee Pulse). Build comes with 1.6m armor to start with, 2 weapon damage cores and 1 skill tier. Use Eagle Bearer to hit headshots and proc Tenacity for 15 seconds, making all damage you take reduced. 1% damage reduction per body shot, 5% per headshot. Get 3 kills, you negate 100% of damage you took in the last 15 seconds. Pair it with memento stacks and heartbreaker stacks and defender drone, you are quite literally god mode 24/7 if you keep proc'ing Tenacity and getting 3 kills before 15 seconds are up (which is very easy to do)

Each stack of memento boosts weapon damage as well, gives even more bonus armor, and makes your skill efficiency higher as well. When you hit max memento stacks, you'll also get armor Regen for 300 seconds.

Eagle Bearer is an optional weapon, it's not required. St Elmo's will work just as good. They both hit pretty hard, you should see crits in the 750k's to about 900k's. You could also run Iron Lung since the Gear set gives a bonus to LMGs as well. Another fun optional change you can make is ditch memento for the Heartbreaker backpack, but you'll be losing out on the weapon damage benefits from Memento and the Skill efficiency as well. You can make the build however you like to play. Could even go ninjabike backpack, swap to technician and make it a hybrid if that's how you want to play. A solid gearset for anybody who likes to have armor and still do damage!

[versed summit]

It's honestly not worth running HB without technician. Having to rely on headshots/skill for pulse is going to put you in a position where you would've been better off with Striker's.

[strong cave]

^^ this is also true, but I like to rip on heartbreaker technician users about taking the "lazy approach" lmao

[onyx sage]

heartbreaker users can now use brazen six12

[strong cave]

However you wanna build it to suit how you play is up to you, just know HB chest imo is mandatory

[modest palm]

The real lazy agent is using drone and turret Imo

[strong cave]

I was thinking the laziest is a full tank, haz pro and armor Regen. Literally just a walking reviver hive is all they are

[modest palm]

What about the core? Skill or armor?

[strong cave]

I haven't tried brazen yet, how broken is it??

[strong cave]

Armor, hence "full tank"

They're running all blues

[onyx sage]

brazen is brazy, you gotta braze yourself, you'll be brazing through

[modest palm]

Just like me

I run true patriot full blue core

[onyx sage]

(it's really strong)

[strong cave]

Pshhh yeah now if only it could brazen my thru WONY today, bc I got stuff to craft 👀

[modest palm]

Some guy said brazen is bugged

Good bug

[onyx sage]

yeah it has a few bugs

but nothing negatively affecting

[modest palm]

You proc brazen then swap other talent

That’s the guy said

[onyx sage]

yeah

[strong cave]

May as well take gunslinger or versatile

Whatever tf the talent is called

[modest palm]

Gunslinger had wait for 4 second until you can swap other

4 second mag dumping

Otherwise early swap disable the benefit

Temporary

[strong cave]

I've seen some pvp builds utilize the weapon swap talents like versatile and gunslinger but they're very specific builds

[modest palm]

John wick build

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage does bro sleep

[onyx sage]

bro slept only 5 hours

[surreal depot]

And bro denies aimbot

[spring pewter]

Does anyone know any good tank build or armor regen build?

[onyx sage]

i do not aimbot, i just have determined on my right hand

[versed summit]

depends what you want it for

[surreal depot]

How did you get your right hand to be determined

[spring pewter]

More Armor regen

[versed summit]

what content are you using it in lmao

[onyx sage]

you teach it how to defend opinions on the internet so it gains determination

[surreal depot]

What kind of opinions

[onyx sage]

that chameleon is good

[spring pewter]

Oh pvp

[versed summit]

can kind of depend, do you have a weapon preference?

[surreal depot]

Why do u defend it

[spring pewter]

I use assault rifles specifically the st elmo

[onyx sage]

because it makes people run brazen six12 after finding out how brazen six12 just does much more

[gentle lichen]

I suggest leaning more into headshot if you're going regen
If crit you'll most probably do shit damage