td2-build-advice

[fervent wasp]

Lady death is one of my favorite exotics, unfortunately it kinda sucks

It's just a fun gun to use

[strong cave]

Ninjabike, 2 piece brazos, 3 piece umbra

Fixes the mag issue real quick

[fervent wasp]

Ninja bike my beloved

[devout agate]

In pvp I feel like ouros talent counters most iron lung users

[strong cave]

I love ninja but it has very niche uses that are actually good

[devout agate]

But that’s in pvp

[strong cave]

I can achieve quicker results using a sticky launcher lol

[fervent wasp]

I love iron lung

Give it more ammo and it would be even better

[devout agate]

Yeah but sticky launcher is mostly efficient in Conflict not DZ

[strong cave]

Sticky is clutch in dz for the stagger

[devout agate]

Most people in DZ jump you

basically how it is

People just 4 man every time

[strong cave]

Okay if people in dz are jumping you that easily, you got terrible situation awareness

[devout agate]

I like using decoy and defender drone

[strong cave]

Social tab is your best friend

[devout agate]

Not even that

[strong cave]

2 piece brazos, umbra, ninjabike fixes that 🤣

[devout agate]

I got chased by a 4 man once after engaging in a 1vs1 with a regen build

they chased me for almost 2 minutes trying to jump me

[fervent wasp]

Dz is either getting mowed down by a 4 man or chilling with some god tiers and hunting down some rogue who activities right next to spawn

[strong cave]

Sounds about right. I only deal with cheaters on a daily basis

[fervent wasp]

The solution to any ammo needs

[fervent wasp]

Unfortunate pc L

[strong cave]

Most the people in dz on PC are the same guys I see daily

[devout agate]

Most likely

[strong cave]

DZ isn't all bad. I helped a group of 3 yesterday get the emp kneepads with double Regen on it

[devout agate]

Lucky

[fervent wasp]

EMP?

[devout agate]

I was in it all day last time it was knees and I couldn’t even get it

[strong cave]

Nobody went rogue, nobody griefed, it was dz peace day

[devout agate]

Emperors knees

[fervent wasp]

Ah

[devout agate]

Named murukami knee pads

[strong cave]

Emperors guard, named Murakami kneepads. Has armor Regen as a fixed attribute. Can get 4k armor Regen for even more

[fervent wasp]

Are most of the dz or exclusive named items worth it?

[strong cave]

Matador is god tier backpack

[devout agate]

Only like two

[fervent wasp]

What's it do?

[devout agate]

Matador and emperors in my opinion

[fervent wasp]

TDI kard seems like one of the best

[strong cave]

Enemies within I think 10-15 meters will proc 20 something percent bonus armor

[fervent wasp]

Dang

[devout agate]

23

[strong cave]

Very good pistol too

[fervent wasp]

Oh yes definitely

[strong cave]

I have 4 of em lol

[fervent wasp]

Lucky Devil

[strong cave]

Danny dropped me a full god roll matador

[devout agate]

I’ve gotten like 2 of them from countdown named caches

[strong cave]

Crits and everything

[devout agate]

You’re lucky

[fervent wasp]

I have terrible luck with named caches

[devout agate]

I have a matador but it’s not blue 😭

[devout agate]

Same here lol

[strong cave]

He also dropped me rock and roll full god roll with DTTOC and DTA

[devout agate]

DAYUM

[fervent wasp]

Rock and roll, meta players wet dream

[strong cave]

Sadly, rock and roll is now ass.

[devout agate]

Rock and roll is really good for a strikers pvp build to get stacks

[strong cave]

Reload bug... Lose 10 shells every time you swap

[devout agate]

Just put fire rate on it

[fervent wasp]

Yeah

[fervent wasp]

I hate that stupid bug

[devout agate]

Yeah that’s the one thing that sucks

[strong cave]

Yup. It's why I stashed my rock and roll and chose lefty

Infinitely better. I don't gotta lose 10 slugs every swap and I get a solid talent

[devout agate]

Mostly only keep my rock and roll for striker pvp builds

[fervent wasp]

I'm super lucky, I got one from somewhere with a natural maxed dttoc

[strong cave]

I'm farming dz with some of the rogues on PC and so far no EB/Rav drop yet

[devout agate]

gl 💀

[strong cave]

All of us wanna get it to drop just to say we got it to drop

[fervent wasp]

Is pummel a good shotgun talent?

[devout agate]

It’s not even targeted 😭

[strong cave]

.024% non TL and .065% with TL go brrrr 🤠

[devout agate]

LMFAO

[strong cave]

I use it on my hunters fury build, specifically the Tsunami

[fervent wasp]

Tsunami bangs

[strong cave]

Ain't bad actually. Not the best but pretty good

[fervent wasp]

What's the best?

[strong cave]

Better off using an M870 with pummel

Does upwards of i think 1.5m damage

[devout agate]

I like using the super 90

Shotgun

[fervent wasp]

Cuelebre my beloved

Maxed roll with dttoc

[devout agate]

lol

[fervent wasp]

2.2 reload speed baby

Actually faster than my ar

[strong cave]

my chatterbox laughs at your reload speed

[fervent wasp]

Could never be better than that

[devout agate]

ouro

[strong cave]

Chatter is so so so fun in summit. Pop a reload on a door spawn, SPRAY forever

Such a euphoric feeling. Nothing tops it

[devout agate]

Yes sir

[fervent wasp]

I probably know the answer to this but is invisible hand a bad named weapon?

[devout agate]

Bullet king is also 🔥

[devout agate]

yes

[fervent wasp]

Ok

[devout agate]

Only way you use it is for expertise

[strong cave]

Invisible hand isn't too too bad, but you could use so much better

[fervent wasp]

Yeah that's what I'm doing with it

Is shield splinterer still the best f2000? Or is a regular one better?

[devout agate]

Yeah just pick up everything and donate it to your expertise if you haven’t finished your library yet

[devout agate]

It’s really good

Shield splinter is really good

[fervent wasp]

Yeah

[strong cave]

Shield is solid for pvp, reg f2000 with strained for pve

[fervent wasp]

I'm happy I actually killed the hunters (not just for their masks)

[devout agate]

Probably the best AR for pvp

[fervent wasp]

Is there a gun for the ny hunters?

[devout agate]

For the weapon dye 👀

[strong cave]

I'd have to give it to the Famas only for the crit mods

[strong cave]

That will give hunter killer chest piece

[fervent wasp]

FOR THE BACKPACK TROPHY!!!!! 💪

[strong cave]

Very VERY good on memento builds or system corruption in pvp

[devout agate]

You’re only losing out on 5% crit and you get perfectly optimist for shield splinter, I think it’s better

[fervent wasp]

W

[devout agate]

And you get more ammo

Especially if you have the mag

[fervent wasp]

I just have to do the most tedious one, the 4 man hunter spawn

[devout agate]

sturdy 5.56

[strong cave]

Truth, I myself use the Famas more with strained

Or, on my bleed wicked ridgeways build, sadist

[devout agate]

I’m ngl I do like the famas more than the shield splinter

[fervent wasp]

Is burn out still the go to?

[devout agate]

The famas just feels better overall

[strong cave]

Famas fast hands WAY better

[fervent wasp]

Yeah figured

[devout agate]

Or optimist

It’s your preference

[fervent wasp]

Is optimist really that good?

[devout agate]

Yes

In Sync is also pretty nice to have

[fervent wasp]

I always thought that optimist kinda sucked

[strong cave]

Optimist is a solid talent, strained as well. Unwavering on SMGs is godly

[devout agate]

Your weapon damage goes up every few seconds you’re shooting an enemy

It’s really good

[fervent wasp]

Yeah but it seems so minuscule

[strong cave]

Well, each % missing from the mag, the damage increases by a specific %

[devout agate]

It’s the best talent to have for pvp

[strong cave]

Shooting constantly is strained talent

[devout agate]

Yeah

[strong cave]

And that effect crits

[strong cave]

PvE, go strained. Pvp, optimist

[glossy scarab]

thats what its supposed to be. by 10% incriments of rounds gone from the mag. but it seems to, in practice, increase the damage every bullet

[devout agate]

Basically with guns with a higher RPM use optimist with lower RPM use strained

[fervent wasp]

[strong cave]

I'll do some testing on that, I kinda strayed away from optimist and started using strained

[glossy scarab]

yea i would always pick strained. but i like perfect optimist

[strong cave]

What's funny is I've noticed strained doesn't matter too much on rpm because it caps at 5 stacks

On a vector yeah it'll barely reach 5.. but mp7 or so, doing only 1k rpm, you'll be fine

[devout agate]

If you have a gun with a very fast fire rate you won’t reach max stacks on strained

[strong cave]

Shield splint is such a nasty weapon... But I'm sorry, I cannot leave my Famas

[devout agate]

Famas optimist 👀

[strong cave]

Ehhh fast hands Famas or strained on that one

But I do have a godroll Famas optimist tucked away ;)

[devout agate]

:)

[strong cave]

I have like 4 godroll famases 😭😭😭

[devout agate]

I have 1 😭

no two

I got one with optimist and one with In sync

[strong cave]

I got a sadist Famas, optimist, strained, and fast hands

3/4 have DTTOC

Crit chance on my fast hands Famas

[fervent wasp]

Hey I got a weapon mod question, is it better to run chd or chc mods?

[strong cave]

CHC mods

[fervent wasp]

Really

[strong cave]

Allows you to stack CHD mods on gear

[fervent wasp]

Can you double up chd?

[strong cave]

You get 12% CHD on gear mods. Weapon mods won't ever give more than maybe 5 or 10

[devout agate]

all CHC

[strong cave]

Very much so

[fervent wasp]

Oh wow

I didn't know that

[strong cave]

Perfect example is Famas. Sight, 5% CHC. Muzzle, 5% CHC. Laser, 5% CHC. Take ceska, another 10% plus 6% crit chance attribute

[fervent wasp]

Wait wait I was confused

[strong cave]

25 +6 = 31% crit chance immediately

[fervent wasp]

You cannot double up chd on gear correct? (Or any other one)

[devout agate]

With the sturdy 5.56 mag for 20 extra rounds it’ll put you at 50

[strong cave]

Oh you mean 2 sub attributes of crit damage? No. But, you can use crit damage mods

Or crit chance mods

[fervent wasp]

Ok ok

[strong cave]

With ceska, you can do weapon damage/crit chance/crit damage. WD caps at 15, crit chance caps at 6, crit damage at 12. Ceska bonus gives 10 crit chance

Then you can do another 6 crit chance or another 12 crit damage for the chest/backpack/mask gear mods

[fervent wasp]

So if I had 3, 5% chd weapon mods on my gun and I swapped them all for chc mods, where would I get the 15% chd that I lost?

[strong cave]

No

[fervent wasp]

?

[strong cave]

You'd lose the 15% CHD for 15% more crit chance

[fervent wasp]

But what if I don't need 15 chc?

[strong cave]

so, to make up for that 15% crit damage, you'd use 2 crit damage gear mods

[fervent wasp]

Ok

Here I'm gonna do something rq

[strong cave]

If you don't need 15 crit chance, you can still do a crit damage weapon mod

[hexed steppe]

you want the chc mods on your gun because its worth more. balance the rest of the build after that

[fervent wasp]

It would be more beneficial to me to have at least 60% chc than having 164% chd (around what it would be after I changed my weapon mods)

Actually wait

[devout agate]

Well you almost have a raid build

lol

[strong cave]

More crits = more damage

[fervent wasp]

I did it in game and I have 60% chc with 169.7 chd (round to 170 for convenience). Is that better?

[strong cave]

Perfect

60/170 is a beautiful set of numbers to sit at

[fervent wasp]

I think I'll try and get a new picaros with chd instead of chc or get a walkers like you had said before

[magic pilot]

Post a pic of the build

[fervent wasp]

@magic pilot

[onyx sage]

you don't need picaro's

[fervent wasp]

I know

I like my picaros though, but I'll try something else and see how it works

[strong cave]

You can get up to I think near 175-180 CHD by swapping picaro's to walker

[magic pilot]

Something like this, contractors gloves is good too

[hexed steppe]

easiest way to find optimal chc/chd is multiplying the chc x chd for build a and then for build b. the higher of the two will be more dps

[fervent wasp]

I hate math

[strong cave]

Use build tool!

[fervent wasp]

Too much work (I'll use it)

[onyx sage]

build tool is hit and miss but works for crit changes

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[onyx sage]

the moment you have anything remotely complex like talents it's just not worth using

[strong cave]

Yeah I spend a lot of time crunching numbers trying to factor in talents and what to expect to hit around

But for at least seeing the basics, very good tool to have

[fervent wasp]

The build tool was not right at all

That shit said I had 105 chc on shield splinterer 💀

[magic pilot]

Set the watch to max and scroll down more

[leaden phoenix]

How is this build looking atm

[magic pilot]

It's a build

[tulip charm]

A build of all time

[fervent wasp]

One of the builds

[fervent wasp]

Striker drone is absolutely worthless

[magic pilot]

I disagree

[tulip charm]

But in all seriousness, Your first build should be a dps build, Your second being a support build, And your third can be whatever you want.

[fervent wasp]

How so?

[tulip charm]

Striker is ok since it can distract ads

[magic pilot]

It has almost 100% uptime and distracts enemies very easily

[fervent wasp]

True, but it won't be doing damage

[magic pilot]

It tickles

[fervent wasp]

I would rather have something else but I see why you would have it

[magic pilot]

It's like a mobile decoy

It's a B tier skill

[fervent wasp]

It's pretty good with skill builds

[tulip charm]

Id say its good if your newer to the game and dont understand the nuances of the game

[magic pilot]

Some of the skills are a little complicated

Like oxi

[fervent wasp]

Or any of the firefly's

[magic pilot]

Blinder is easy

[onyx sage]

emp sticky my beloved

[rich lotus]

Is TDI Kard Custom in any loot pool or just named caches and DZ?

[tulip charm]

The latter

Can get them from legacy caches aswell

[serene hare]

Wasted like 7 components to make this Coyote's like this, to get a exotic crate and give THIS to me a few days later:

I deserve, I guess.

Should I be using another backpack talent to make better crit damage or something to do better with Coyote or just use Vigilance and whatever?

[onyx sage]

what build?

for striker you use striker backpack

[solar sable]

LMAO
Depends on what build you're running

[half cosmos]

I recenty got a perfect cheska kneepads

15% wd
6% chc
12% chd

[solar sable]

What was the talent for F2K? Strained or Measured wise

[tulip charm]

For what?

[tulip charm]

Gz

[solar sable]

I'm trying to get a high end dps build.

[tulip charm]

Oh Strained

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4EyTARjsMAGDXM+9gXEgGyxhoIRhQDseu9d+wM45iSS4D3jclrYBD2GNOpNiMkZ8cTKlJC6S4YTKQSSYLU0xNADmQgVU48rM581fBDRFw1JGCIxul5I6SSgA

^^ this look alright for a build based around bighorn? Yes I know you can take 2 piece Golan but 3 piece gila gives me 2% Regen, belstone gives 1, and emp knees give me another 1

[quartz ermine]

try memento for more regen

[versed summit]

nah takes to long to stack

[versed summit]

If you had matador, Golan would be worth it, but Gila should be good.

I think the bigger issue is that regen minors aren't really worth it, i think the best way to run these is either hazpro/hsd or hazpro/armor regen, not regen HSD.

[strong cave]

I actually do have a godroll matador, issue is that it's all crits

[strong cave]

Memento is terrible in pvp unless you have stacks. Then again, when are you ever gonna have stacks before you start fighting? Only time you do is when you get griefed doing landmarks

I'd rather get shot 30 times, which I'm tanky asf, it'll drop healing for me and I Regen 106k per second

[versed summit]

well then you don't have a matador for this build lol

[strong cave]

Sadly, I don't :(

I chose armor Regen/headshot damage solely for the purpose of strafing

[quartz ermine]

just do a landmark and you'll be fine

[strong cave]

Pair the Regen with insta kits and boom even more armor. Even more armor with catharsis purges

[quartz ermine]

i have this regen build for solo dz and i'm ok

[strong cave]

Sure yes I can do landmarks but those stacks go away after a few seconds

[quartz ermine]

sure, after 300 sec

[versed summit]

3 golan lol

[strong cave]

Memento is only good for landmark farming, not initiating immediate pvp lol

[strong cave]

Uh no, you lose the bonus armor after a few seconds

[versed summit]

yeah he just cares about long buff not short

[quartz ermine]

i was not talking about the bonus armor

you can find random NPCs on the street, just farm them and stack that regen for 5 min

[strong cave]

I know what you're saying, you like the Regen with max memento stacks that lasts for 300 seconds. I know exactly what you're saying, but memento shouldn't go on a bighorn build BECAUSE you're meant to face tank and dump heads and Regen armor extremely quickly. Catharsis purges every 30 bullets that hit you, plus 106k armor Regen and the broken use of an instakit every 5 seconds

You lose so much Regen taking memento

And yes, rogues are gonna for sure let me get my memento stacks before we fight 🤣🤣🤣

[versed summit]

30. 30 random npcs. for landmark farming that's fine, but catharsis is actually relevant for pvp.

[strong cave]

Catharsis > Memento for straight pvp fights. Memento > Catharsis for landmark farming

[versed summit]

how much bonus armor is Ad rush in PvP? IIRC Matador is 12?

[devout agate]

I thought it was 23

Does it decrease in DZ?

[versed summit]

ye

[devout agate]

Or pvp in general

[strong cave]

Shiiiit I don't recall off the top of my head 🤔 I do know it's still worth ad rush for more survivability

[devout agate]

Ohhh ok

[quartz ermine]

it depends on your play style

[versed summit]

pvp. normalized stats. same with Unbreakable

[devout agate]

Gotchu

[versed summit]

not really. do you really want to spend five minutes trying to stack memento so you can find someone to pvp and then get killed anyways?

[strong cave]

If I'm farming landmarks, I'll take memento, but not on a bighorn build lol. If I'm doing straight pvp, catharsis will win every time. Catharsis gets stacks by being shot, increasing WD and drops a healing purge every 30 hits. Memento gives buffs only on trophy collection. No stacks memento is basically a glorified ninjabike backpack

With no slotted bonuses, mind you, since ninja counts 1 piece as 2. Memento doesn't so no stacks memento = NB backpack but worse

[quartz ermine]

it depends on your play style, some people pref memento some catharsis

[versed summit]

what kind of PvP are you actually doing?

[devout agate]

👀

[strong cave]

Well, if they prefer their playstyle of getting farmed when they have no stacks, I say to each of their own 🤣

I partake in server fights where we don't run off and kill ads to get stacks. We select a location, groups will pop rogue, and we fight in that location

Memento is a good deterrent to ensure your landmark farm won't get griefed

Gives bonus armor, weapon damage, even skill efficiency. Very good. But, with server fights? It's ass. Just take ninjabike at that point

[quartz ermine]

it is exactly as i said "it depends on your play style, some people pref memento some catharsis"

[versed summit]

what is your playstyle dude

[devout agate]

Are you doing pvp with memento with no stacks or sum?

[strong cave]

And that's all fine and dandy but recommending memento on a build meant to do immediate pvp at the drop of a hat no matter where you are, that's just comical lmao

Memento forces you to stick to landmarks. With my catharsis bighorn, I can get door camped and still have a chance because I don't need to build my stacks to live lol

[quartz ermine]

it is situational, sometimes I have, sometimes I don't

[devout agate]

And when you don’t have it and engage in a fight do you win

[quartz ermine]

sometimes

[devout agate]

But tbh I think if you’re just mostly doing landmarks with memento you’ll be fine but if you get ran up on by some rogues that’s the problem

[versed summit]

lmao do they just have me muted?

[devout agate]

Do you go to DZ for the pvp or just to farm loot

[quartz ermine]

true, you can't control that, that's why we have more then 1 build for dz

[quartz ermine]

both

[strong cave]

Probably but we now have the info of they either have stacks or they don't. Proved my point further when that was said lol. Memento needs stacks to have a use, catharsis is guaranteed to help after you get shot 30 times, which it's a shooter game... You're GONNA get shot

[devout agate]

Yeah then It’ll be better to use catharsis

[strong cave]

For straight pvp yes, memento for landmarks

[devout agate]

^

[devout agate]

If he’s in there for pvp and loot the overall better choice would be catharsis

[devout agate]

Try out catharsis bighorn regen build see if you like it

Or make an ar build with it

[strong cave]

I don't run memento in dz all that much due to the fact you need to continuously keep collecting trophies to keep the bonus armor and weapon damage buffs. Only in landmark farms will I run memento but that's when I'm using heartbreaker

[quartz ermine]

this is my newest creation :)) strict for 1 vs 1

[devout agate]

Yeah

[strong cave]

9 times outta 10 I win my battles unless it's a group of 4 coming to grief

[devout agate]

Same here, I’d only lose if I was caught off guard lol

[versed summit]

R&K but no incoming repair?

[devout agate]

Why don’t you make an ouro regen build

I think @versed summit helped me make one before

[strong cave]

It doesn't stack with catharsis either

[quartz ermine]

all 3 mod's have incoming repair

[versed summit]

they're yellow so not in that picture lol

[versed summit]

yeah not for catharsis but def for self healing

[strong cave]

I've seen builds like this before now that I recall

Usually for 1 on 1 like x mentioned, they drop their healer hives and you basically strafe and trade blows until a clear winner

It's not often I see these builds anymore

For me, instead of incoming repair, I'd go with repair skills? I've never ever made a build like that so I'm spitballing a little

[versed summit]

incoming multiplies with repair skill, so optimally you want a balance

[strong cave]

AH okay so I'm not too far off with my idea here 🤔

[versed summit]

if going purely for self healing like here or on control room builds

very very niche though

[strong cave]

I was thinking possibly go the Ninjabike route for this one

I'm not sure how I'd top catharsis for that one tho 🤔 gimme a min, lemme cook up a build template

[quartz ermine]

so all yellow attributes that you see are repair skills

[quartz ermine]

the bonus from R&K does stack with catharsis

[versed summit]

no it literally doesn't. tell him it doesn't again.

[quartz ermine]

Yes, it gives you more healing from the catharsis but not more healing to others from it. Incoming repairs shortest the time of healing and not the amount of healing

[versed summit]

do you have any evidence of this? because we know it's not able to be buffed by anything.

[strong cave]

I chose to go this route:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwBgtMYMwWCsZxMS5bEC44OQRnmLlOspCZrpJDJAlABypPlIa4DssMLzvrALADYw-cFT4SSGGtFg95mYFACcIsMsa5shOJy3CtjKQpYZg-GFrDCEuRoJjKyzDPzargqqP2hGX5kR8hSSA

I've finally made use of 5.11 ....

🗿

How good it is? Idek

[versed summit]

that doesn't look that bad tbh, If I was going crit though Ouro probably is still the best option. SOmething like this would probably be more effective as a HSD build.

I really haven't seen this before and couldn't address the caveats it would present though.

[strong cave]

Ouro for sure for the crits but each skill tier grants 7.5% WD. Multiply that by 4 on my build, plus 2 more weapon cores being added on

Capacitor is the only AR that has DTTOC and DTA on it

[versed summit]

Yeah but ouro is soooo good and this is 100% a face trade build

[strong cave]

Definitely

[versed summit]

and that still doesn't make it the best ar

the skill tiers do help ofc

[strong cave]

The fire rate and crits between Ouro and capac is night and day. But, I do wonder how it would do in a face trade situation

[versed summit]

could probably drop 5.11 for prov tbh, get you CHC to 60 and a lil extra HSD

[strong cave]

I'm not that big on doing face trades in terms of 1v1, almost everyone I do server fights with have their groups or they deviate from their groups and do even fights

[strong cave]

I woulda went that route too for the crits but RIP that incoming repair a bit

[versed summit]

yeah it's not the end of the world though. the repair skill & incoming should still be mostly even

[strong cave]

My build is I think 70 repair skills and 80 incoming

Almost dead even

[versed summit]

ye

[strong cave]

But, I am dropping a lot of repair for more crits and relying on skill tiers to boost even more damage with capacitor

My goal was: if I can kill faster, or hit harder, I don't think I'll need that much repair skills ??

Very very niche setup, I'm not experienced with 1v1 face trade builds like this. Usually I'm the guy who plays support/healing/background

Every so often to keep my combat skills up I will be the "DPS fighter" guy who does majority of the fighting

[onyx sage]

go to shooting range and self damage yourself until you proc catharsis. you will always heal up to 50% no matter how much incoming repairs you stack

the stat simply does not work with catharsis talent or talents in general. it only works with healing from skills

[urban latch]

Healing skills, especially self healing, is tuned down in pvp, so any investment in them really is a waste unless your in a group. And even then the best healer is using medkits to heal the group, not actual heal skills

[strong cave]

Self healing bad, strictly healer in PvP groups good

But then again if I needed a combat healer that can do some damage and heal the players, I already have a very good setup for that

[strong cave]

That build would only be used in a 1v1 situation

[urban latch]

Right, that's the issue lol

[strong cave]

I see builds like this use only for 1v1 and that's the only use for it. Basically the only reason why you would ever want to take a build like this and a 1v1 situation is really to prove who has better movement and who has better accuracy

That's the only reason to build like that exists. PVP players when they do a 1v1 will use builds that speck into healing so that way they leave all of the different damage numbers aside and let the winner be announced strictly on who Dodge the most shots and who hit the most shots

[urban latch]

I mean you'll do fine if you find a solo pve player farming checkpoints, I'm sure you can kill people like that. But in a pvp fight against anyone with any skill and proper build your going to get beat easily

[strong cave]

I know, what I'm saying is if somebody wants to do a 1v1, they both would have to take a build just like this

I've seen several 1v1 battles with identical builds just like this and usually whoever won was the person that landed the most shots and Dodge the most shots

You are 100% correct though, anybody with a really good build can easily drop that one

[urban latch]

Yes, the player who does the most damage and takes less damage generally wins.... Your build is not helping in that though

I'm not talking about a really good pvp build, just anything that makes basic sense

[strong cave]

It's not, and it's not meant to. Pretty much the way that I can dumb this down enough is that BOTH players need to take this build

Then they start the 1v1 and usually whoever ends up on top is the one who hit the most shots and Dodge the most shots

[urban latch]

Ok, so if both players out on a shit build, you can beat them

I always ask the players I pvp against to put on your classic drone/turret build but most tend to ignore my requests

[strong cave]

Basically using builds like these take away a lot of the damage numbers and make it an even playing field for 1v1'ers. To win you got a have good movement and accuracy

You're not slippery enough? Easy target. Too slippery, you're spending more time moving than shooting

Very niche build, very VERY small community who do 1v1's like this. The people are there, just rare breeds is all

[strong cave]

Most of the time when I ask a question like that, they usually just pull out heartbreaker builds or regulus builds

Heartbreaker chest plate and heartbreaker backpack on an all armor build using an ACS 12 is just too cheesy

Regulus, I think we all know why everybody hates that build

[urban latch]

People complain about everything that beats them. Regulus takes quite a bit of skill to run, so imo anyone complaining about it is just complaining about someone outplaying them

I haven't seen anyone complain about heartbreaker since it got nerfed, so that's really just proving my point lol

[strong cave]

I dislike it heavily because most of the time in PvP people run all armor. You can also hide behind a shield with regulus and pop easy headshots and it's even worse when you have right hand advantage which makes pushing any kind of one or two entry buildings impossible when somebody that has a regulus

And it's strong enough to where It can two tap you in the head

[strong cave]

Oh now with the backpack and the chest plate, it's still extremely effective in PvP when doing a rogue grief. It's even worse when you walk out of a checkpoint and it invaded dark zone and there's somebody waiting right there and cover to come out of the door so they can pop rogue and immediately just dump an ACS 12 mag into your face

Basically by the time they got you killed, they're already running away waiting for their stacks to drop so they can go and get more stacks on another unsuspecting player. It gets worse by the time they reach manhunt status and they swap builds

[urban latch]

What is a rogue grief lol

[strong cave]

Basically they wait for you to either go into your pause menu wait until you walk out of a checkpoint or they barge into your landmark and just immediately go rogue just to kill you

[urban latch]

Ok, so it's a build thats really good for unsuspecting players who aren't ready for pvp

I've got this 6p improvised build that's also really good at that

[strong cave]

I mean even people that are pretty heavily in the PVP find it hard counter against a heartbreaker built when they just dump the full shotgun clip

[urban latch]

6p 5:11 will work in a pinch though

[strong cave]

They already have 1.9 million armor and then taking the backpack increases the bonus armor from 1% to 2% and then the heartbreaker chest increases the stacks from 50 to 100 so with heartbreaker if you have about 2 million armor you can get 4 million with bp+chest

So while they went rogue on you and you're trying to run around and then take shots at him he can sit there and just continuously dump his ACS 12 mag into you without having to worry about losing his armor because he gets it as he gets a stack and then he also gets stronger with weapon damage

[strong cave]

I do actually want to see what you came up with

[urban latch]

If you get killed by an acs12 in pvp, I don't care the build, that's all on you lol

[strong cave]

Well I mean, it's kind of hard to counter against walking out of an invaded checkpoint when you're still sitting in the loading screen and your character is just standing there like a snowman ready to be shot at

It's called "loading screen of death"

[strong cave]

I'd have to show you what it does, it's really annoying when people walk into landmarks that you're trying to take care of or you're trying to leave checkpoints and they run that build

[urban latch]

There are lots of builds that can kill unsuspecting pve players and people in their menu. That's not really a good bar for determining what a good pvp build is

[strong cave]

No I mean I know that, what I'm saying is that even with the suspecting player like myself I wasn't able to fully kill the build because of the fact that I can mag dump Ouroboros into him but I'm taking damage and have to run to live meanwhile he can mag dump and get stronger and get more armor

Their builds do get weak at long range because you can't exactly mag dump at a distance with the ACs 12, but they can just swap over to their assault rifle and keep you at Bay

[urban latch]

The acs12 is so weak in pvp....

If you use it to stack on ads first, then start a pvp fight, sure, but against a player the acs12 is terrible

[strong cave]

Pretty weak, but pair it with HB chest and BP, getting stacks is stupid easy

[strong cave]

Oh no, you don't even need stacks at all. Just hit rogue, mag dump in the head, you'll be at max stacks before you even empty half the clip

Each stack will give you 1% weapon damage, and with the backpack it gives 2% bonus armor. Using the chest piece increases the stacks from 50 to 100, giving you 100% weapon damage at Max stacks as well as giving you 200% bonus armor at Max stacks

What most people do is they hit somebody in the head once with the ACs 12 and then they body dump

Since there's eight pallets per slug, you'll get stacks incredibly fast. Which is why in the initial cqb faceoff, heartbreaker is absolutely broken

It's going to have to be something you see because I can't really explain it how it works without being able to just show it

[urban latch]

I'm pretty familiar with how the acs work lol

It's still an absolute dog shit weapon in pvp

[vestal ibex]

Yes please show clips of you mag dumping people's faces with an ACS.

[strong cave]

I'll give it my best, this build is really only used by rogues who like to run up and grief. I'll let you guys know immediately when I got clips to show (and no I'm not gonna go farm PvE players, I'm gonna try to wrangle up decent players and try to showcase the annoyance of this build)

[strong cave]

This i agree with, even I wouldn't ever use it in PvP as it's horrendous

[vestal ibex]

Just try it 5 times and show them all toghether. No point in cherry picking if you can't do it ever.

[strong cave]

You got it. PvE players would be a bad example, bc they're squishy anyways and have horrible awareness. I want experienced players only and I want them aware when I'm gonna go rogue. I won't tell them what build I'm using either

That's how I wanna showcase these clips

I'll be on in about an hour and will see which DZ is active and then see if I can get some help

[strong cave]

@urban latch don't facepalm me 😭 I'm just saying this griefer build I find annoying uses the ACS 12 and HB. I know it's a trash gun don't worry

[urban latch]

I stand by my facepalm

[strong cave]

😭😭 y'all breaking my heart man (PUN INTEDED SO HA)

[gentle lichen]

With heartbreaker chest and bag all blue you definitely can.
But try to do that on a pulse resist guy you'll kiss the ground

Though this is purely for facetrading if target moves around and uses shotgun you'll get outplayed

[strong cave]

^^^ THIS!!! this is what ive been trying to say

[strong cave]

thank you so much for clarifying it in a good way

[leaden phoenix]

Revamped build just going to try and get lady death and cathasis

[magic pilot]

It's getting better

[urban latch]

Check out the hunters fury guide in the pinned spreadsheet. Running 2 more pieces of HF will really help you out, and because the HF chest and backpack are not worth running, you won't really have a slot for catharsis

[strong cave]

@vestal ibex i got the clip, its painfully obvious where the weakness lies, and thats distance

its kind of a long video but i can condense it down to showcase how it works. sadly, it was too easy on a pve based player but when the good pvp builds started to come out and got the ball on me, i died pretty easily

[urban latch]

Exactly

[strong cave]

https://streamable.com/tai2jt @urban latch @vestal ibex first moments on, not solid gameplay at all. however, it will work as an example. its just annoying to counter these in highly close quarters. at range, its garbage unless you have full stacks. striker build came up and mopped the floor with me. however, the 1v2 was a really good example of how easily overwhelmed you can get when dealing with 2 people at once. you can only focus damage on 1 person, never 2, and thats how easy it is to overpower this build... but, in a one on one face tank battle, this is too cheesy, even for those who like to grief

[leaden phoenix]

Actually thanks had a rethink about it will lean more on income of armour repair then higher armour.backpack ill replace its talent with blood sucker still think steel 1 set bonus is nice to have

[urban latch]

Your previous chest wasn't great, but it's still better than the HF chest. Try swapping the knees for HF as well so you can run a high end chest

[strong cave]

^^ yeah hunters fury chest is kinda trash, better off running a high end chest with something better

[leaden phoenix]

Is the 20 seconds not that good?

[strong cave]

not really, you get more damage out of obliterate high end chest

it would look best like this

shield is only there so i can door camp with chatterbox 👍

[leaden phoenix]

What does oblitirste do?

[strong cave]

obliterate = 1% weapon damage for every critical hit. stacks up to 25 times

unstoppable force gives 5% weapon damage per enemy killed, stacks up to 5 times, giving another 25% weapon damage at max stacks

hunters fury also has built-in weapon damage stacks, so ideally for more armor you could go with bloodsucker for the backpack

[leaden phoenix]

I think ill stay roughly as i am tbh

[tulip charm]

nah

[leaden phoenix]

Im more tank going in guns blazing then a dps

[strong cave]

if you want tank, go heartbreaker

[tulip charm]

You can easily do that with HF

[strong cave]

youre still guns blazing but also a tank

[tulip charm]

Just run more blues

[strong cave]

^ that too

i run this in pvp. just swap the specialization out for gunner or so and its perfect for a tanky hunters fury setup

[shy willow]

HF works as a bruiser build but get protector off and a high end chest

[leaden phoenix]

Is there a way to see total crit chance?

[tulip charm]

Your stat page

[urban latch]

Just keep in mind your stats are individual to the weapon you have equipped. Smgs for example come with chc on the second stat, but that chc won't apply to your shotgun

[craggy forge]

Haven‘t played for a really long time (must‘ve been 2-3yrs) and wanted to ask which build is the strongest for PvE playing with AR & SMG. I used to play a full red glass cannon build

[patent fossil]

Strikers (single target, requires stacking) or negotiators (multi-target) are currently the top dps builds for ARs

[craggy forge]

So Striker for Raid Bosses and other than that ND?

[tulip charm]

No striker can be used everywhere

[patent fossil]

most people just use striker everywhere tbh, although if you're solo or on lower difficulty then you might not often reach max stacks

(you'll still kill stuff fast though)

[craggy forge]

When did WT5 got introduced? Was it there from beginning? I can‘t remember 😄

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ig it was from the beginning

[hazy steeple]

@craggy forge It was a month after launch.

along with Tidal Basin and the first Apparel Event.

[craggy forge]

Okay, then I basically played on the highest difficulty that‘s out there I think, it was legendary, wasn‘t it?

[magic pilot]

The dlc is going to be free in the coming weeks

Don't buy it now

[hazy steeple]

Actually it should be free as of reset tomorrow.

we'll see the full details later, but for now #news-and-announcements message

[tulip charm]

Man I need to speedrun the manhunt

I didnt do anything

[craggy forge]

Warlords of New York? Isn‘t there a new DLC?

[hazy steeple]

the new DLC isnt due to launch until early next year, we'll likely get an update during the post-show

[onyx sage]

no, world tier and difficulties are not the same

[craggy forge]

Ye I know, world tier was just a general question 😄 but I used to play on legendary missions if i‘m not wrong

[onyx sage]

did you see white tusk?

aka black tusk wearing white uniforms

i'm just curious, since you said you haven't played for a long time

so it's very unlikely you played it

[strong cave]

@half cosmos build:

[half cosmos]

Is that system corruption? Its dz only right?

[strong cave]

yes

you can farm system corruption thru pve means, just play global events and buy legacy caches

[half cosmos]

Gof it

[urban latch]

It's a lot of effort for a sub par build

[magic pilot]

Swap picaros for ceska or coyotes

I've done a ton of syscor testing

[strong cave]

i have the system holster, sadly has weapon handling on it. i would use coyotes but i want this build exclusively 5 blues 1 red

or with picaros, 5 blues 2 reds

[magic pilot]

Ahhh need better gloves too

Swap Picaros for ceska, grupo or sokolov then

[strong cave]

ye sadly, but it works really well so far

[strong cave]

i could use the holster and then swap to my armor ceska knees

but with the setup i have above its already max crit chance

i just need more crit damage is all. if i can find a grupo holster and get better gloves, i think ill be in business

actually, i COULD go a second piece of ceska 🤔 gives me crit damage as a bonus

[versed summit]

Sokolov

[strong cave]

or sorry, soko 😂

thanks for pointing that out, im dummy

too many names to pieces 😭

[magic pilot]

Ceska puts you at 63

Which is the highest dps option even with 3 wasted chc

[craggy forge]

What is the best way to farm elmo's engine? Countdown targeted loot?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[wise swallow]

the blue chest but red core gloves annoy me

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[gentle lichen]

They're hard to come by man

[craggy forge]

Is there like a Gearscore Tab?

[wise swallow]

not after lv 40

[craggy forge]

Do you get higher rolled items on heroic countdown than on challenging?

[magic pilot]

Slightly

Not really worth imo without a group

[strong cave]

Dont worry me too 😭

[wise swallow]

Either roll the gloves to armour or change the chest core

[strong cave]

I can't roll gloves 😭 i needed crit on em

Then today my soko chest dropped so I rolled armor

[wise swallow]

roll it back to dmg

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[rich lotus]

Can I get Chill Out mask from Legacy & Named Caches or just during the holidays?

[magic pilot]

Holidays

[rich lotus]

What does Weapon Handling include? Reload, stability, etc?

[magic pilot]

Reload, stability, accuracy, scope in time etc

Stability on a shotgun nice

The chd mod doesn't make up for the lack of chc

[vestal ibex]

Can't have sway when you're sniping

[magic pilot]

Just change it to a slug shotgun🤣

[rich lotus]

Are we getting this Overlord Exotic in TD2?

[strong cave]

NO!

[strong cave]

It comes in year 6 Season 1 so yes

It's basically a glorified sledgehammer exotic talent just minus the incoming damage. Sounds mid asf and will have no use except in dark zone

[versed summit]

At least they buffed the slow & Honestly I think it looks pretty cool. Not sure how close it is to just looking edgy tho.

[magic pilot]

Looks cool probably won't use it tbh

[versed summit]

Yeah that’s how it goes

[magic pilot]

New set values got doubled

[versed summit]

yeah just the Gearset right? seems like the issue is still that it doesn't build stacks while active

[magic pilot]

Yea gearset

[versed summit]

have we already brought up Brazen in this chat? it's looking pretty gnarly

[strong cave]

I can see the shotgun regulus builds becoming meta in dz with that new exotic shotgun

Pair it with somebody running sledge? Yikes 😬😬😬

[versed summit]

yeah I dunno

[strong cave]

The incin grenades can still proc sledge if you run into the fire

[devout agate]

Can you help me out

[strong cave]

If you get shot with the new exo shotgun as well, good luck

[devout agate]

I have builds for DZ but I don’t think they are for solo DZ

Would the best Solo DZ builds be armor regen and bighorn?

For pvp

[strong cave]

It's what I see most

[devout agate]

Yeah

[strong cave]

Or basic armor strikers

[devout agate]

I don’t like using strikers in pvp tbh

[strong cave]

Requires the use of maintaining stacks

[devout agate]

I seen people use all strikers with a fenris chest or Sokolov chest and matador

[magic pilot]

Ceska best

Fenris or soko ok

[strong cave]

Ah I see people using 4 piece strikers, ceska and catharsis

All armor and crits

Striker backpack is a must

[devout agate]

Yeah

I’ve been struggling making a catharsis build for ouro

[strong cave]

4 piece armor strikers, ceska unbreakable rolled to armor, and catharsis

[devout agate]

I don’t like using strikers

[strong cave]

YOU WILL CONVERT!

You could go high end tbh

I'll happily make a build if you want

[devout agate]

Yeah but idk what to use

I was thinking two piece Sokolov

And gruppo knees with ceska gloves

And picaros

with one red core on the chest

[magic pilot]

@devout agate

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgQRjsMAGDXM+9gXAByKQkIDseu1V+cmCEZkxNbtECjJ7vtwANjDBMTBHwkY6xbkiryJdcpjRIkQpFA1RKm4ppht8SYqo1dRQ8odoohaEJXCYBaXvnL5JOLwqpA

[strong cave]

LOL basically the same build I just made

But instead of those knees I went with ceska

[magic pilot]

For conflict you want ceska on there so nice job

[short cobalt]

is foundry bulwark regen build still viable for group play?

will it do good damage?

[versed summit]

IH ig. tanks aren't viable for anything else really

[versed summit]

not at all lol

[short cobalt]

ok is there a current regen build tht has tankiness along with good dps?

[flint wave]

sounds like blue striker

[versed summit]

They're not really synergistic at all. in a group you're just not gonna be able to do enough damage

[versed summit]

not really any regen on blue striker's is there?

[flint wave]

didn't read the regen

bad ideas then

[magic pilot]

Hot take, yellow striker>blue striker

[flint wave]

bad take

never seen someone solo legendary with yellow striker

[versed summit]

would you like to?

[flint wave]

no

[versed summit]

I have 😦

[flint wave]

I'm sticking with my blues

[magic pilot]

Blue striker just makes you tanky with no dmg and only good skill is shield

[onyx sage]

lol

[magic pilot]

Using capacitor and yellow striker means all good skills, and half a red core per yellow, the armor doesn't really do much, blues are good for just shield buff

[versed summit]

Decoy go brazy

[flint wave]

The armor allows much needed tanking of bullets idk what you mean doesn't do much I'm not taking a build like blue striker outside of solo so the damage is good enough for only having 2 reds on the build

[magic pilot]

Or max artificer hive and you get to keep a red core

[flint wave]

good enough for solo legendary

[magic pilot]

Blue core is only to buff shield, armor doesn't do anything

[flint wave]

Memento too

[magic pilot]

Because it has a skill tier and blue core that's why, and skill eff/bonus armor

[flint wave]

50% bonus armor per trophy pickup at 1.4 million armor pretty good day in the office

[magic pilot]

Losing striker bp though

[flint wave]

it's worth it for memento it adds too much for solo

[magic pilot]

Makes yellow still better for tanking and dmg

[versed summit]

I've seen some good runs w/memento TBH, I really can't say it's not worth it for solo leg

[flint wave]

It's easily like the safest build to use if you want to beat a legendary by yourself

[magic pilot]

HF memento yes

[versed summit]

safest is probably Drone/turret, or so I've heard because I don't have 3 hours to check.

[devout agate]

What’s the CHC

[magic pilot]

59

[versed summit]

striker memento tbh definitely HHF to tho

[devout agate]

What about the CHD

[flint wave]

Drone turret too slow and just as vulnerable to getting wrecked by a few bullets and an explosion as a red build is

[magic pilot]

Like 188

[versed summit]

gonna take your word for that lol

[devout agate]

Bet

[flint wave]

I cant imagine drone turret faring too well against elite medics either

which zoo and tidal like to spam alot

[versed summit]

they stop healing eventually lol

[magic pilot]

The heal boxes do have limited charges

[onyx sage]

he probably meant actual medics

[dull ermine]

Do they ?

[strong cave]

^^ anybody wanna test this and watch the equivalent of paint drying?

[onyx sage]

they have limited healing per enemy yes

[strong cave]

^^ usually dependent on how fast you are at killing 🤣 kill em quick, you limit their heals to 0

[shy willow]

The all red philosophy

[onyx sage]

just kill stuff

[feral anvil]

been having a lot of fun on this build

[cyan drift]

might have to try yellow umbra at some point, I keep seeing it

[short cobalt]

is there a viable build for pve using system corruption?

[cyan drift]

I've tried, a lot, and I really haven't found anything that doesn't feel like worse hunter's fury

if the ability worked with survivalist, or whatever spec also heals your teammates, it'd be great

so you could give them all some armor back and bonus armor on the fly

[short cobalt]

ok darn

[feral anvil]

its so much damn fun

hitting consistent high 600k - low 700k crits

[cyan drift]

wondering what other than walker could be used

[versed summit]

Prov

[cyan drift]

outside of prov as well, cause that seemed mildly obvious

[versed summit]

Belstone?

[dull ermine]

Eh most people think they know best lol

The amount of people I see ignore the rikers leader

[onyx sage]

if you're in this chat, you're probably not the average player lol

not many people know to prioritize units to kill first

[tulip charm]

Im pretty average 😳

[dull ermine]

Does incoming repairs affect artificier hive and skills

[surreal depot]

What

[strong cave]

I'd say id have way more knowledge than the average player, but by no means am I the best. I still have so much to learn and each moment I spend here chatting with you guys, I pick up even more knowledge

[onyx sage]

what

[tardy flame]

did anybody already look at the new gear pieces and what builds get affected by them?

like the knee pads are gonna be nice for shotgun negotiator at fieser

but what about the other stuff? mmr set looks bad

[urban latch]

This seasons gear is really underwhelming

[tardy flame]

yeah sadly once again it looks like

[surreal depot]

There are alot of average

[tulip charm]

I wonder what’s considered average in this game

[tardy flame]

what i would consider average is <1000 SHD never cleared any endgame content (raids, incursion and so on) and not willing or too lazy to improve hence why not using game related discords or other sorces of information
oh and usually only playing solo

[tulip charm]

But i usually play solo =<

[tardy flame]

nothing wrong about that

[tulip charm]

Also surprised they didn’t release patch notes

Unless they usually drop it before maintenance

[modest palm]

is the Aegis chest pieces useless because not have Wony expansion?

[tulip charm]

What?

[modest palm]

you know the chest piece Aegis gear set said enemy attacking your decoy count as dmg resistance, right? so this update player can access level 40 stuff but can't get those decoy skill because it require Wony expansion

does this make the chest piece of Aegis useless?

[tulip charm]

I mean aegis was already a useless set on arrival.

[modest palm]

😔

[tulip charm]

Also pointman and tardi exist

[modest palm]

i kinda wanted passive tank, those seem like active.

[craggy forge]

How many runs will it take to get a St. Elmos Engine? Roughly 😄

[junior surge]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/9XK0DbaxzntoNxXqC5ftY/year-6-season-1-first-rogue You mean these?

[onyx sage]

the average player doesn't join this discord lol

they don't even bother going up to wt5

[surreal depot]

Sir

Everything below rotor blades is average

[tulip charm]

Yeah that one

Ty

Man this season is gonna be so wack to play. Perfect time to go on a break ig

[lyric prism]

When the police get down on their own fun...damn...

[dire halo]

I have a build in mind that would give at least 4 of each core attribute, what gear set would be best to use with it (backpack and holster slot are unavailable)

Think the build will lean more towards skill damage with the use of capacitor (which the wep should get the same damage as if it were in a full red core build)

[versed summit]

Splitting your build that much isn’t really recommended. If you go for a hybrid you really want to focus on red/yellow or red/blue etc.

The issue is you’re not going to have enough of any stats to actually make anything you’re going for worth it. But the answer would be Striker’s

[shy willow]

don't bother

[tulip charm]

Jack of all trades. Master of none.

[hazy steeple]

"...are oftentimes better than a master of one", is the rest of the quote.

[tulip charm]

🤔

[dire halo]

So im still theory crafting since servers are down, can get 3 red (technically 4), 4 blue and 5 yellow (6 yellow while using side arm)

[shy willow]

div is the sometimes

[dire halo]

With using capacitor, should be getting 7.5% more damage from core attributes then a full red build

[gentle lichen]

Sidearm has to be held for the skill tier to work

[versed summit]

Gonna be real with you. Focusing on cores is the wrong way to build.

[dire halo]

Thats why I said “while using sidearm”

[shy willow]

base damage isn't worth it if you sacrificing crits

[gentle lichen]

You mentioned this after so i assumed you wanted the extra skill tier for the capacitor damage

[versed summit]

Or talents

[shy willow]

yeah I assume nbb too so its even worse

[versed summit]

It always is

[tardy flame]

are you just trying to build hybrid for the sake of building hybrid or do you have a specific goal for the build? cause if im being honest i dont know a single situation where a hybrid build excels in this game ..especially not in group content

[lyric prism]

only 4/4/4 core setup, if you are hellbent, would be an ND setup, worth a flip.

I ran one, I likes it for versatility in a group for off-everything but yea, its not a field killer.

[versed summit]

Hybrids aren't bad for solo, Technically most DZ builds are hybrid as well, but they're not trying to do everything

[tardy flame]

yeah well i guess solo you can really play anything..but it still wouldnt outperform dedicated builds
in group content rainbow builds are most likely gonna get you kicked or you get asked to swap to something usefull instantly

[versed summit]

There’s definitely a difference between rainbow & hybrid builds. But DPS is definitely the way to go.

[tardy flame]

yeah i was talking about rainbow because thats what the guy asked for

he wanted 4 cores each

[versed summit]

Yeah and I’m just differentiating hybrids from rainbow builds.

[dire halo]

I just wanted to know what the best gear set would be for 4 cores each, someone said striker, so I’ll test that out later when servers are back up, think i might also look into a non classified gear build for it to then

Wasn’t building it for meta purposes, was just doing it to have something different, majority of people run more or less the same thing

[vestal ibex]

Classified gear? You talking about div 1?

[dire halo]

Green gear, whatever it’s called for div 2

[tulip charm]

Gearset

[vestal ibex]

Gearset-green, Highend-yellow.

[tulip charm]

You should always build a meta set as your first build. After that go nuts with whatever you want.

You have 15 build slots and like tons of space to play with

[vestal ibex]

Tbh if you wanna make a hybrid all over the place build there is no "best" someone is always going to think something different either more skill/damage/defense. There are clear mistakes but it's kinda whatever once you go hybrid.

[dire halo]

I already have the proper striker builds, fully optimized, 1 using the chests and another using a crit chest (can’t remember the name) with obliterate

[tulip charm]

Oh then go nuts

Also how would you get 4 of each core

[strong cave]

His only approach would have to be ninjabike

[dire halo]

Would technically be 3 red, theres the holster that has a 2/3 set bonus of + 1skill, holster also gives a 15% damage as a unique attribute, and yeah with ninja bike

[versed summit]

watch any iDentity video lol

[wise swallow]

very bad quote selection

[wise swallow]

nbp, brazo i assume

[hexed steppe]

I wouldn't spec into armor at all.
I have put together a 3r 6y (no kard or ninja needed)
It's a fairly viable hybrid with crit rolls and variable 40-70% skill efficiency .
Message link has crit stats and damage in range with no memento stacks.
#td2-build-advice message

With memento stacked it would perform like a 5r 6y, short buff putting it to 6r 6y for short durations as well

[hearty forge]

Need to pick a secondary to go with the capacitor, normally I would use a smg but I'm thinking I just get something for long range fights

[hexed steppe]

Harmony rifle

[willow ferry]

But I like the wave holder

[hexed steppe]

Fair, but waveform only give skill damage and is pretty much damage loss.
Skill efficiency from memento is % in all skill buckets.

[magic pilot]

That's not how it works

[tawdry flare]

nope it works something like for each skill tier you gain 1/2 red core

[magic pilot]

"7.5% more dmg from each core then a full red build"

[dire halo]

What you mean? If you have 4 red cores and 5 yellow, wouldn’t that come out as 97.5%

[magic pilot]

You have more WD but lower dps

[dire halo]

How

[magic pilot]

Wdym how

You are giving up crit attributes for cores

Or good crit brands

I was just saying this yesterday, a good easy to farm hybrid is just yellow striker

@vestal ibex if you have to pick a hybrid that's the best WD one

[vestal ibex]

This is the trolley dilemma bro.

[tulip charm]

xd

[dreamy valve]

You could use 6 yellow Umbra hahaha

[magic pilot]

Worse

[tulip charm]

so whats the newest way on minmaxing hh atm

[vestal ibex]

Shoot stuff in the face and win.

[onyx sage]

still 3 hotshot 2 habsburg

[tulip charm]

is it? I thought you can use part of the new set to go a tiny bit higher

[vestal ibex]

Is it worth it tho?

[tulip charm]

But bigger number~

[vestal ibex]

Just use nem.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx sage]

you need vigilance

and headhunter

if you run 3p hotshot 2p breaking point you have to lose vigi

[dreamy valve]

Doesn’t take much to make HH and determined work

[half cosmos]

Did ND get a buff or something? Its shreading heroic stuff like its paper for me

[dreamy valve]

We won’t have to worry about any of that next season?

[half cosmos]

About what?

[dreamy valve]

Rolling over content with our op builds

[tulip charm]

It can always do that

[tulip charm]

Only if you care about the seasonal stuff.

[hexed steppe]

Nd capable of outdamaging striker with a couple marks.
Idk if it was boosted at all but it's been solid forever

[half cosmos]

no global or any other bufs only elmos

60% chc and 166 chd

[timid plume]

Is the breaking point set good?

[cyan drift]

so far yes

with its minecraft block kneepads

[vestal ibex]

I think in terms of what a good rifle build looks like, either high end or ND, breaking point probably isn't any better. If we compare with a good sniper build it gets muddy cause headhunters doesn't need much to work. If you wanna mess with the set it'll probably work and do good in heroic, not sure about legendary.

It is day 1 so more info and feel of the set will come with testing tho.

[cyan drift]

it's insane with an artist's tool, otherwise I haven't seen much to go nuts about

tried doctor home and ravenous, both were disappointing

the chestpiece is counter-productive, which is a blessing in disguise since you can run a real chest instead

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex did you see the raid skills nerf

[vestal ibex]

Yurp. Rip speed runs this week for IH. New team running for almost 2 weeks and got 16:40 already... No idea when they'll fix it if it wasn't a stealth nerf.

[tulip charm]

Wait what did they nerf

[versed summit]

Skill damage in raids. By about 50%

[half cosmos]

Nah bro even my yello nego set is killing easy on heroic man

[half cosmos]

What why?

[tulip charm]

???????

[versed summit]

Who knows, but that’s the consensus I’ve seen so far

[junior surge]

Healing seems to be halved too

[versed summit]

Seen some mentions of skill healing as well

[junior surge]

I'm guessing that this is one of the krazy kool new modifiers either for later in this manhunt or for seasons 2.0 "that'll force you to rethink builds and strategies" and it slipped into live

[magic pilot]

Apparently mission xp including legendary was halved as well

[flint wave]

doesn't seem to be the case over here

[magic pilot]

just pulled a god rolled super 90 with dtooc from the pass

and "like glue" god rolled

[lone blade]

anything i should change ?

[magic pilot]

headshot/handling on everything

change with death for SR-1 or M700

[lone blade]

ok, thank you 🙂

[glossy scarab]

maybe this will come in handy if i try to make a rifle headshot build

[magic pilot]

I've gotten 3 crit pieces already. I'm trying to get chc/chd gloves for pvp

[glossy scarab]

yeah i was hoping for crits

[tawdry raven]

So how y'all feeling about rng exotic gear?

[magic pilot]

Is it random attributes??

[glossy scarab]

its always going to be blue core, 1 red attribute, 1 blue attribute

thats how the PTS did it anyway

[magic pilot]

Interesting

Hsd/haz probably best option

[tawdry raven]

hmm i got it and thought those are the worst rolls ive seen, thought it would have dps rolls

[onyx sage]

it's random yeah, but only for acosta knees

you can reconfig it

[rich lotus]

So what’s all been nerfed?

[magic pilot]

Nothing got nerfed

[tawdry raven]

Rip 20 components🥲

[versed summit]

That’s what I’d assumed. It wouldn’t really compete with Catharsis for HSD/Hazpro right? Or even fox’s?

[magic pilot]

Personally I don't think so

[tawdry raven]

Is the new gear set good on ravenous?

[magic pilot]

The extra move speed would be nice with lady death

[magic pilot]

No not at all

[versed summit]

Is that if they stacked or just more consistent move speed?

[magic pilot]

Better to build the LD stacks and keep up fast strafing

Counters some status and stops you from getting slow

I wish they stacked

[versed summit]

Yeah that makes sense

[glossy scarab]

ok got something in case the chest piece for the gear set isnt good

[magic pilot]

It isn't

Really good chest tbh

[glossy scarab]

yeah lucky. im usually looking for obliterate but not for a rifle set

[magic pilot]

Spotter or glass, obliterate is ok

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXADnFDAWKJmVmdsLITZKRY5SURA+R01XUZ3xdjBwY0aOyYSMVOPBjJQwCGCSQkAdgCcXfjuw7J2OHsk59GIA

I'm running this, D&H is the new brand

[serene hare]

I bet my ass that I'll be able to oneshot named heroic enemies at expertise 12 with my 1886

But damn, how much stressing it is getting to get there.

I wonder if that new gear set is better than this build.

[warm knot]

I'm not sure, but I think 2x new gear intead of 2x W&H would hit harder. Also, drunk punch maybe?

[serene hare]

Drunk Punch have less HSD than that piece of something I have.

Still, at expertise 12 I'll have enough damage to replace it to Drunk Punch again just for the pistol damage buff.

5% extra HSD will be nothing.

[warm knot]

Well, you're using a revolver... Idk, if you're focusing in the 1886, then you're right.

[serene hare]

Doesn't matter that much, the use of Regulus and Boomstick is to break armor or situational kill.
Headhunter stacked with Dodge City holster deals +20 million damage with the Regulus, hitting any part of the body.

Boomstick is to kill at close range with Headhunter stacked, if I have to.

[magic pilot]

W

[wise swallow]

hows new szn

have that shotgun yet?

also how does new character thing work

does watch level carry over?

[magic pilot]

thats next season

[wise swallow]

oh ok

[magic pilot]

the exotic no, im at season lvl 30ish

[versed summit]

it’s gonna be a new character tho. not sure about watch

[versed summit]

new slot

[magic pilot]

holster is chc/hsd

[wise swallow]

is the 3rd for handling worth it?

[magic pilot]

and i need to reroll the bp

[magic pilot]

havent decided yet

[versed summit]

god the orange W&H looks so bad lol

[wise swallow]

yea lmao the reused models are wild

[magic pilot]

Oh on the 3rd roll?

[wise swallow]

atleast they changed the color

[magic pilot]

Ohhh nvm

I see now

[wise swallow]

brazo was straight up just rifle dmg brand with 0 color change

[versed summit]

overlord?

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[wise swallow]

yea that one

[versed summit]

nah it’s got some mixed models tbf

[magic pilot]

Handling feels so good rn

[wise swallow]

I just know overlord as foxes

never used it for anything else

[wise swallow]

I have 3 god rolled m4s

[versed summit]

overlord knees, Yaahl chest, grupo backpack? rebranded unlike the new ones though

[wise swallow]

i wanna try this now

your a crackhead for using strained tho

[versed summit]

yeah I dunno about that tbh

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna reroll to flatline

Tapping works for strained btw

[wise swallow]

bros fingers more exhausted then mine after a night with his mom

[wise swallow]

it works but at what cost

[wise swallow]

what kind CHD are you getting

[magic pilot]

170 I think

[serene hare]

Do anyone already have the new gear set to tell me if it's good or not?

[magic pilot]

It's mid

[serene hare]

How is that again? You shoot to get stacks and reload to get damage?

I got super confused.

[muted dagger]

Reload gives you handling and damage for 10s

[serene hare]

But you need to stack through shots, right?

[muted dagger]

Ideally it's for high mag capacity rifles but why they included mmrs is lost to me

[muted dagger]

Yeah it's stack-reload-buff-reload

[serene hare]

1886 would be bad with that gear set?

[muted dagger]

Well they rebalanced Diamondback with the season so I guess it's supposed to be used together?

[serene hare]

Who knows.

I'm so bored today, so overwhelmed by that seasonal character bullshit, I only did the 1/4 of the manhunt and quit the game.

I don't wanna grind anymore, today.

[muted dagger]

I think we all feel that

[wise swallow]

@magic pilot are you using these

[versed summit]

he is but is contemplating swapping em out

[wise swallow]

hm I got the whole build in 1 countdown run

[versed summit]

that's sick. any potential for Rifles in DZ?

[wise swallow]

nope. Unless auto clicker

[magic pilot]

I was but I'm switching them out

[wise swallow]

Feel like CHC is too low

I get 44

[versed summit]

not any worse than AR

[wise swallow]

thats 100% CHC rolls everywhere

[versed summit]

or you talking about with eagle's grasp?

[wise swallow]

with eagles you get 44

[versed summit]

yeah he was running CHC eagle's

[wise swallow]

I dont think 15% handling is worth CHD loss

[magic pilot]

Yea I already got different gloves

[wise swallow]

I have different gloves just shit CHD roll

this upsets me

also spotter over obliterate is obliterate that much better

oh im stupid

I had a CHD mod, its 50% assuming no CHC mods or rolls where unneeded

[magic pilot]

Spotter would be stronger I just didn't reroll mine yet

[wise swallow]

first is oblit, second is spotter. Identical set up

[magic pilot]

Ehh

Spotter easier but whatever you'd want

Could do focus too lol and drop ceska

[wise swallow]

oh god

maybe on a M1a

[dreamy valve]

Doesn’t that hurt your finger chameleon

[wise swallow]

gotta use the secret juice

[magic pilot]

Not bad at all lol

I hate that inspect is breaking

[wise swallow]

I dont hate the build. 1.6 mill body shots without any stacking is fairly good

above 2 mill headhots

[magic pilot]

Would be good with CQB M1A

[wise swallow]

M1a literally doesnt move

lmao

[solar sable]

Caesar's Guard worth a damn?

[magic pilot]

Eh

[solar sable]

just what I needed, ty

[gentle lichen]

Wasn't it only really useful for camp white oak exploit?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[onyx sage]

wow super grinder

[magic pilot]

Oh yea

[dull ermine]

Performance?

[dull ermine]

I kept 2 red ones and they deleted it

[magic pilot]

Pretty good

Honeslty like it

[dull ermine]

I deconstructed a godrolled lightweight m4 like 3 weeks ago lol

Now I regret it

I have godrolled urban mdr…

M4 felt mediocre

I imagine it’s probably good for hunters ?

Like that’s the point or just for general pve?

[magic pilot]

They should change the hsd to 20% chc

[dull ermine]

I had said that in the pts …

[dull ermine]

Bc rifles… native crit damage???

Worth using?

[magic pilot]

About to test

[dull ermine]

So question…

What skills heal shield and does incoming repairs affect healing to skills

Or just you?

[versed summit]

incoming doesn't affect that

[magic pilot]

Yea it sucks

[half scroll]

what would you guys recommend for a person who is a fresh level 40? what should i be aiming for?

[dull ermine]

Dps build

[half scroll]

what does that consist of

i havent played endgame in a long time so im not sure what sets and guns are meta now

[dull ermine]

Depends… I’d recommend negotiators with bp

Some people would say strikers …

Although I feel like most people say that just because it’s the easiest thing to put together

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex

[versed summit]

I'd say nego has a unique playstyle that isn't necessarily friendly to new players. It also isn't really preferred for Incursion.

[shy willow]

How's breaking point

[magic pilot]

Sucks

[shy willow]

Yikes