td2-build-advice

[wise swallow]

so true

[dull ermine]

It most certainly is, to survive wolf pack as computer tank

[onyx sage]

my imaginary friend the decoy is a better tank

[dull ermine]

But can your imaginary friend press the computer

I didn’t think so

[onyx sage]

don't look down on the technologically challenged

[dull ermine]

max “boomer” bailey?

[wise swallow]

I get the idea behind measured, get your first half of mag out as quick as possible but doesnt meaured basically make it so that the dmg loss cancels out any DPS gain from the ROF part

[versed summit]

It's like a 1-3% DPS increase. 3 is with The Apartment.

adding expertise, accounting for the first bullet principle, and the stack gain that adds, theoretically could make it better, as FoW argued, but it's mickey mouse at best

[plain girder]

Hardest hitting lmg in the game?

[magic pilot]

Wouldn't expertise make it worse?

Or rather the same tbh

Lowers the return on the dmg part of the mag and increases the dmg on the rof part

[tulip charm]

You want the following: Run Survivalist, Scorpio, Lefty, Backpack: The Setup w/ Repair Skill and Skill Haste or a Alps backpack w/ Opportunistic, and BTSU Gloves.

[dreamy valve]

you can switch out coyote for BTSU gloves, but it looks like you also want to support the group with additional damage bonuses

[rare atlas]

Where do you get the BTSU gloves?

Yea I thought it would be nice for the group to use that

It worked great for the legendary District Union mission

[tulip charm]

Nah btsu clears coyote. Boost your hive skill haste and group wide oc

[dreamy valve]

switch to crossbow

[tulip charm]

Also target gloves

[rare atlas]

Alright I will do that and I'll get Survivalist leveled up

[tulip charm]

RPK, L86, and Iron Lungs are the best lmg atm

[rare atlas]

I don't have any of those yet

[tulip charm]

You don’t need those. You want scorpio and the lefty

[rare atlas]

Alright I got Scorpio. I'll try for that one next

[pallid merlin]

Is iron lung worth using with striker set?

[modest palm]

do tech support talent work with turret and striker drone?

[onyx sage]

yes

[onyx sage]

yes but you can also use combined arms

works better with those 2 since tech support only procs on kill

[modest palm]

so combined arms work because turret & striker proc shooting?

[onyx sage]

no, because you can also shoot with your gun to increase total skill damage instead of having to kill first to get that bonus

[modest palm]

im running lazy agent build

turret and drone

[onyx sage]

i know

but you're missing out on 25% on your first target

and landing bullets isn't that hard even if you just have to pop out every so often

[modest palm]

right

[onyx sage]

up to you though

[modest palm]

a skill kill tech support update damage on active turret and drone right?

[onyx sage]

it's rather due to turret and drone taking so much aggro that it's safe for you to pop out and shoot often

yes

[modest palm]

hmmmm

alright

ill try combined arm

[quartz ermine]

I need some opinions on my "support, but with armor" build. The point of this build is to give 100%(50%from vest and 50%from backpack) of your armor as temporary armor to your teammates. I'm using Survivalist specialization so that my teammates can deal 10% more damage to enemies affected by my status effect and I also get 10% protection from elites. Instead of armor regen, you can roll some status effect so that your shok can last loger. Think of it as a BONK build 🙂

[magic pilot]

Behold

[quartz ermine]

interesting but mine is better, you give 90% while I have 100% just because you don't have perfect galvanize

how much is 90% out of 2.4M armor?

[strong cave]

2,160,000

[quartz ermine]

compare that with 2.160.000(90%) with my 2.317.934(100%)

[strong cave]

Deconstructor's build utilizes Scorpio shotgun, it's trading off the bonus armor given for more shotgun damage. Yours gives the most bonus armor but you're taking use of shocker punch for (duh) shocking

In this case, his build would beat yours in terms of doing the most initial damage. In terms of giving the most armor, yours wins. Depends on who likes which playstyle tbh

[versed summit]

The first part of the mag lowers AWD, by expertising you decrease the value of that AWD because you’re bloating the pool even more. So you lose less damage on the first part

[strong cave]

Wait WHAT?.... Expertise nerfs measured? 🤯🤯🤯🤯

Who the hell designed that....

[versed summit]

No

I’m very tired so apologies for the bad explanation

But expertise does buff measured

[strong cave]

Oh 💀💀 yeah just reread it, now I know what you mean

I was boutta say, if expertising nerfs measured, that would make the apartment such a trash gun

[quartz ermine]

the main idea of ​​my build was to give as much armor as possible to my teammates, that's why I call it "support, but with armor" , in Countdown you can give that 100% to 7 peope (8 including yourself)

[strong cave]

It's a pretty good build from both of you. If I was gonna do a support build, I'd go true Patriot or just be the healer of the group

But that's just my playstyle lol

[versed summit]

Oh it s a trash gun regardless of any interaction with expertise 🙂

[strong cave]

I haven't used it quite yet, so I personally have no clue. I've seen it used on umbra builds and people would shred with it

I have the gun, just need to reconfigure for DTTOC and then max it out

Just cooked up this shock build for pvp (would probably work best in conflict). Does it look alright to anybody? -

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwdgtATGybAMYFMS5aBcAWBUYEZYBOADlTLXK0OliijzwFZyWK50Jnd5XeNGYpAGw88wamz6J0pblEkLKEISMxgG9YtTyEEOgjvlKhpNQzWzwmC6Tbo8ylI3C2wQtQvQh0zcBNbowGpCvgRC-mhAA

(you can set watch levels to 0 for the stats in conflict, then set to max for dark zone)

[urban latch]

Countdown enemies are very tanky, but don't really have much damage. If your matchmaking with randoms your generally going to get a bunch of new players who can't do any damage. You'll be much more helpful to the group if you can actually do damage, and tank builds in countdown really aren't helping anyone, they just slow things down

[strong cave]

^^ I recommend healing build, bc you'll heal people back to full AND give damage buffs

But, if you got the damage as a team, by all means run the same build

[opal peak]

i usually always run heal/support in group activity no one seems to run them and it's pretty useful, dps isn't often an issue except in the very very low SHD's (like under 100) because people didn't have yet the time to assemble much gear.

[versed summit]

Does vile work well for a mortar build? Is the issue that you're typically not specced into enough status effects for it to be viable?

[tulip charm]

Yeah vile isnt good for mortar

Btsu or acosta would be better for the occasional oc

[dire halo]

Need advice on ar striker build, should I be using the striker chest armor or is there a better chest piece/perk to use over it

[tulip charm]

Ceska chest w/ obliterate for everything

Striker chest is only used for when you’re dealing with tanky ads

[dire halo]

Ok, will keep that in mind when i start doing incursions/raids

[short cobalt]

if u run striker with smg would it be wise to run with sokolov piece?

if so which piece?

[fresh shoal]

Personally I would run coyote mask/grupo (depending on amount of coyote masks team is wearing) and foxes prayers kneepads rolled to crit dmg.

[short cobalt]

so striker chest back gloves holster?

[tulip charm]

Depends on the content

[short cobalt]

group

i play with friends alot

[fresh shoal]

Exactly

[tulip charm]

Still. Striker chest is only good if you run Incursion, Leg, Raid, Countdown.

[fresh shoal]

Striker chest only when you can constantly maintain full stacks. If you can’t keep full stacks run a Ceska chest with obliterate

[vestal ibex]

Just take note of how much stacks you have while playing. Sometimes you wont even get enough stacks without the chest depending on your group anyway.

[short cobalt]

ok

ty

[fallen vortex]

in the divsion 2 gear spreadsheet, is the univeral tank build still up to date and viable? i figure things change over 3 years

[versed summit]

I don’t remember off hand but there have been some new items added that benefit tanks now. What do you want a tank for?

[fallen vortex]

i just like being tanky myself, im running foundry stuff already with a pointman and chatterbox but i know for a fact that it isnt doin so well as id like

[versed summit]

Tanking in this game isn’t super viable, as you’re not going to do enough damage yourself, and can’t draw aggro as it’s heavily tied to who’s doing the most damage. As for wanting a tankier solo build, I can recommend iKia’s 4.14 HB AR Bruiser (Techtank).

It’s not the fastest or best build for content but it’s quite capable and will probably do what you want it to.

[fallen vortex]

i figured it wasnt too viable but its still somethin i enjoy, plus idk what else id do

thank you though

[versed summit]

That’s a build that mixes in damage a little more than something like Foundry. If you want to tank in a group, which I wouldn’t necessarily encourage, you’d want to focus on team buffs for your tank, as any damage you invest in will be dwarfed anyways by your DPS players.

[fallen vortex]

what would i use for buffing my team?

damage wise i mean

[versed summit]

Oppurtunistic is a good backpack talent for that, you can also go all in and use true patriot.

[onyx sage]

oh no...

[tulip charm]

what happened?

[onyx sage]

no i just saw true patriot recommended

[opal peak]

there are multiple tank build in that build sheet, also you have an "Updated" colum that tell you when it was updated for which season, like "Y5 S2" so pretty new and for year 5 season 2 (and you have the date of update inside the linked evernote too) The raid haz/regen tank is pretty good start document.

[fallen vortex]

what do the TU's mean?

[onyx sage]

title update

[opal peak]

if i remember that's the number of updates since release of the game so Y5 S3 (current season) is TU20 iirc

and yes that stand for title update ^

[opal peak]

i see alot of people running true patriot in heroic content or countdown, but everyone told me it's shit, so im confused ahah

i definitly only believe the saint build sheet and people here, but that got me curious

[onyx sage]

it's alright as a set but there's a point where you have to decide whether buffing your team is better than dealing damage yourself

[fallen vortex]

i assume aegis suffers the same issue with the aggro system?

[versed summit]

Aegis lives to suffer, it simply doesn't work at all

[versed summit]

and even at times where you may be better off supporting your team instead of DPSing, there's better support builds.

[opal peak]

i see so it's basically average all around and there are better choices to lean on either sides

[onyx sage]

yeah

[thick birch]

just made it to level 30, have a gear score of 502, should i make a build or just continue to warlords?

[onyx sage]

focus on all the story bits you can still do at lv30, after that jump to warlords

[versed summit]

no need for a build, these are the story missions to check off:

• Complete Manning National Zoo.
• Complete Camp White Oak.
• Complete the Pentagon Breach, The Pentagon and DARPA Research Labs missions.
• Complete the Coney Island Ballpark and Coney Island Amusement Park missions.
• If you wish and it's available (not necessary from a story perspective): Complete Kenly College.

If you're really itching to makes builds you can always jump ahead to to WONY and skip those, but I wouldn't recommend making builds at 30.

[urban latch]

Giving your team a 12% damage buff for running a 4p set with a backpack is never worth it in a 4 man context when you completely nerf your own damage, and very rarely in 8 man. TP is just trash, it's just not good.

People use it because they want to run blue cores so they aren't pushed for playing poorly, and want to run "support" builds so they have an excuse why they are being carried.

[opal peak]

ohh i see that explanation make alot of sense i understand now, thanks

[devout agate]

Should I change the knees to ceska and the gloves to walker and Harris and run Picaros instead

@wise swallow @urban latch

[quartz ermine]

@devout agate try this

[urban latch]

It comes down to if you need the chc, which with your setup you do, even in dz. Conflict you need the chc even more.

[urban latch]

His setup will do more DPS than this

Unless your assuming your only hitting heads and never bodyshots

[devout agate]

So yes?

I can run picaros CHC

[urban latch]

Keep what you have

[devout agate]

alright

[opal peak]

are peoples that good/knowledgeable about the game that a screenshot is enough to know the build and all the pieces ? I mean ok you got the logos, but how about the mods/talents, etc....

when i see only that in guides im like.... well ok, pass 😂

[tulip charm]

I mean the builds ingame are pretty easy

Also it helps that the guy is asking about the same build for a week now

[urban latch]

I'm just counting where crit chance would be missing, so counting the EB/f2000, catharsis, foxes, Picaros, contractors, etc. You can have 2 and reach the chc cap. More and you go below, or trade chd for chc and those items end up not being worth it

I'm making the assumption that he's got chc/chd where he can

[opal peak]

yeah i guess the meta is well known for dps like 60% CHC and 120+% CHD but yeah i would like a bit more details in some guides sometimes, maybe at least a screenshot of the stats window, would be great to have an export/copy loadout button for sure

that's why i like Raucey's guides, well explained but some others you get a screenshot that's pretty much it 😅

[solar sable]

with talents you can see it without opening the item slot, just the preview gives you a lot of info

[opal peak]

ah right true there is the small icon for talent too i forgot about that

[solar sable]

you just gotta assume that you need that 2/1 CHD/C

[devout agate]

I’ve seen people run walker and Harris gloves with ceska knees and picaros

And they go crazy in DZ

[opal peak]

for DPS it's pretty straightforward that's true, more difficult on hybrid build or support/tank builds, because (at least myself) i don't have much experience to guess which mods they use

[solar sable]

Mostly skill haste, bleed resistance, pulse resistance and hazpro

[rich lotus]

Is Devils Due named item only or can I get it in Countdown?

[merry stone]

when you rescontruct/reroll a exotic is the expertise level on it reset?? eg if i am upgraded st elmo lv15 exp and rerolled it?

[merry stone]

i got it recently from somewhere cant remember where?

[versed summit]

DZ Exclusive, named caches is likely your best bet.

[versed summit]

yes. exotics keep their expertise after a reroll.

[rich lotus]

Does anybody have a list of the names item blueprints from Descent that you can craft?

[versed summit]

pinned comment in the descent chat

[urban latch]

It's not something that I would stress about getting, it's very underwhelming

[strong cave]

Been seeing multiple clips float around on YT, pair it with Ouroboros and it almost feels a constant matador backpack

It does work but honestly, there's so much better pieces to use

Want my advice? May as well take system corruption at that point. Take damage right before armor breaks, proc system corruption, boom you likely won the battle. With clutch you gotta be almost dead to get your armor back, with SC you choose when to use it 🤣

[fallen vortex]

would heartbreaker stacks stack from each pellet on a shotgun or per shell?

[vestal ibex]

Per bullet.

[fallen vortex]

so it wouldnt clash well, damn

[onyx sage]

it stacks per pellet wdym

[fallen vortex]

so it would clash well, god damn

[wise swallow]

pellet

[flint wave]

per shell vs per bullet vs per pellet

[wise swallow]

just for future reference every talent that says per hit or per shot means per pellet (obliterate is an exception)

[fallen vortex]

thank you

[wise swallow]

I dont think there any talent besides ones that specifically state otherwise are per shell

I may be wrong but i think theres a talent that requires you to hit your entire shell or something like that

[shy willow]

Muh steady handed😔

(showstopper copium)

[wise swallow]

the most horrible talent

[junior surge]

Obliterate says critical hit, and it stacks per shot rather than per pellet

[strong cave]

Per critical shot, yes, so if multiple shotgun pellets crit, it'll count towards the X amount of times you critically hit a pellet

That's what makes the ACS-12 one of the best shotguns in the game (stacking purposes)

[vestal ibex]

Yeah 8 bullets per shell.

[onyx sage]

8 bullets per round

8 rounds per slug

8 slugs per mag

🤯

[gentle lichen]

Medved

[junior surge]

Obliterate stacks per shot, not per pellet. If one of the pellets crits, it'll give you a stack for that shot, but it won't award you multiple stacks if multiple pellets crit

[strong cave]

If that's the case, I shouldnt be at full oblit stacks when the acs only holds 20. Max stacks is 25. The math ain't mathing

[hexed steppe]

ive found the same while range testing it

[junior surge]

You aren't at full stacks, go try it out

You'll be at 20 stacks, assuming that at least one pellet out of every shot crit

[strong cave]

If this is the case, I've never ever noticed it 🤔

yay another great Ubisoft feature

[junior surge]

It's especially noticeable when running other shotguns like Scorpio because you only have a handful of stacks after emptying a mag, whereas if it would stack per pellet, you'd on average be fully stacked because 7×8×0.6=33.6

[strong cave]

Yeah, yeah that explains why it's a pain in the ass to get oblit stacks using Scorpio

Now that you are mentioning it, I did find it so stupidly hard to get stacks using Scorpio as opposed to just using an ACS

[junior surge]

Yea, obliterate would be so much better if it stacked per pellet. Fast hands used to stack per shot aswell, they only changed it with this season

[strong cave]

I for sure need to try this test tomorrow when I keep on trucking with my system corruption farm

They changed it to critical hits will give faster reload speeds

I find it powerful on the Famas

[wise swallow]

I wanna agree with fifty but if youve tested it imma just trust you

[dull ermine]

@junior surge what do you think of measured?

[magic pilot]

Oh boy

[junior surge]

It's one of the talents ever

[solar sable]

you missed a word there

[versed summit]

It’s one of the most talents ever

[shy willow]

Truly one of the talents

[rich lotus]

this is normal meta

picaros tho

groupo kneepads

[magic pilot]

He has grupo knees lol

But yes you are correct

[rich lotus]

just noticed

[magic pilot]

Might as well swap off matador since it's not blue core

[rich lotus]

yea need blues so mask procs more often or procs before you die

[devout agate]

Thought it was ceska knees and walker gloves

[tawdry flare]

He didn't miss word he didn't have words to say about it

[modest palm]

for technician skill tree the +1 skill core does it give overcharge when i have 6 tier skill core already?

[quartz ermine]

no

[modest palm]

wasted my time trying unlock technician

[quartz ermine]

@modest palm try this

[modest palm]

where to get named weapon?

[quartz ermine]

farm it

[modest palm]

since theres no way for my lazy agent work

have put effort killing enemy

hmmm

[quartz ermine]

or this

[modest palm]

i have tech support, or combined arm, but i primary use tech support on low difficulty

no prefect

its rare for me get perfect gear

very rare

exotic get me feeling like destiny 1/2

[tulip charm]

Nah getting gear you want is very easy

[modest palm]

hmmm?

i just grind getting true patriot better gear score on lincoln memorial recently

just giving me little burnout

[tulip charm]

Wait. Do you have gear score?

[modest palm]

yeah

didnt go wony yet

i have stuff to unlock

[tulip charm]

Tbh man just get wony

[modest palm]

k, then go incursion or countdown, right?

[tulip charm]

Countdown for farming. Incursion for oreo/weekly free exotic

[modest palm]

farming like exotic?

[quartz ermine]

get wony and finish the story then you can do whatever you want

[cinder crow]

Get yourself a good set of strikers first before going into incursion

[tulip charm]

Well there’s many ways to getting exotics

[modest palm]

strikers the drone or exotic?

[cinder crow]

The gearset.

[modest palm]

hows striker battlegear work?

[tulip charm]

Hitting targets gives you a stack and more stacks = more damage you deal

[modest palm]

that's it? just 4 gearset?

[tulip charm]

Yeah its currently the best single target dps

[modest palm]

my guess they said its a meta i assume

[tulip charm]

Because it is

[cinder crow]

4 piece striker + a cheska/grupo/fenris chestpiece with obliterate and coyote's mask or 3 piece striker + a cheska/grupo/fenris chestpiece with obliterate with ninjabikes messenger backpack and your golden

[modest palm]

brother i only have merciless exotic and true patriot, negotiator dilemma, Ace&8

and at gear score moment

[tulip charm]

Honestly I would get wony if you can get it on deal

[cinder crow]

Roosevelt Island drops strikers atm

And get WONY

[tulip charm]

You can worry about it at a later time

[modest palm]

roosevelt island rn its airaldi

but sure ill go wony

[cinder crow]

idk what it is for people without WONY, with WONY it's strikers 😉

[tulip charm]

Wony is basically different to the base game. Gear score is replaced with SHD Watch level, It opens up more weapon,talent, gear, and gearsets, Legendary, countdown, etc

If you really want to speedrun wony hw skill build is cool.

[cinder crow]

except in the final mission. Then you'll get fucked by your own skills

[modest palm]

you saying that final boss hack my skill turn against me?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[modest palm]

yeah sure ill go true patriot 6 core armor

[cinder crow]

Keener & Hunters can do that

[modest palm]

anything non attacking skill?

wont be affect?

[tulip charm]

Well Ive seen striker drone shred keener before it gets hacked

[modest palm]

having 6 tier hacked drone get me fucked

yikes

[tulip charm]

Or just dont use it

You can use seekers

[modest palm]

what about healing skill?

[tulip charm]

Not worth it tbh

[modest palm]

what happen? that also prevent me healing?

[cinder crow]

Can be usefull. Won't be hacked

[tulip charm]

Just play it safe and you won’t need it

[modest palm]

like chem launcher (oxi&healing), hive, and drone repair?

[cinder crow]

Drone & Hive can be hacked.....

[modest palm]

that make sense

[cinder crow]

Chem launcher is the only one that can't be hacked

When running libery island, use a reviver hive

Somehow they don't hack reviver hives

[modest palm]

healing launcher*

does this work?

[cinder crow]

.

[modest palm]

having true patriot heal my 303k armor just only 2% every 1 second

[tulip charm]

You poor soul

The moment you start wony all that gear is worthless

[modest palm]

for now

no way to recalibrate?

[tulip charm]

No

[modest palm]

so wony is a start over?

[tulip charm]

I mean its useless instantly

Lv 31 gear is miles better than lv30

And it caps at 40

[modest palm]

do need go do free roam at nyc?

get some gear?

[tulip charm]

Well the campaign gives you a fair amount to clear it so no need tbh

[cinder crow]

Malaka it's been explained already

You first play through WONY to get access to the watch. While playing through WONY you will eventually get some lvl 40 gear. Then build yourself a striker set as it currently is the meta for PVE, comes in usefull for raids, incursions and legendary content. Then make yourself whatever build you want and play the game how you like

[modest palm]

the shd watch only after level 40 it is?

[solar sable]

Yep

once you defeat Keener.

[modest palm]

do i need prep before final boss? like what

[cinder crow]

Just play the DLC. There isn't much to prepare for as the game opens up again after WONY

It's designed to be played with miss matched gear etc

The final mission isn't too hard imho

[modest palm]

k

[tulip charm]

Also save all side quests until you need to to fight keener

[modest palm]

what side quest does to keener in nyc?

[tulip charm]

Its just random side quest

[cinder crow]

Then you'll reach lvl 40 and get some extra lvl 40 gear

[cunning agate]

what is the best spec (For ex, like gunner or firewall) to run for dps

[tulip charm]

depends

firewall for cqb and striker shield, gunner for the rof bonus after kill, aok, and recoil reduction

[vestal ibex]

What is best spec can change from group to group, solo, mission or room to room, difficulty, and just personal preference/skill level.

[cunning agate]

aok? and what about the other specs. or are those two just the best

[vestal ibex]

Armor on kill. The simple way to put it is there is no best spec. Some have clear advantages but you might not be able to make use of that depending on content/diff/group size or a number of other things.

[tulip charm]

Yeah I like using demo for the 1 explosive immunity sometimes

[vestal ibex]

It's much easier to say "I'm using X build and like Y play style, what spec do you recommend?" Otherwise it's best to learn what the different specs offer and choose yourself.

[cunning agate]

I'm using 6 Red Core Striker build with Coyote's mask atm and St Elmos for pure dps atm. Been using the sharpshooter spec this entire time and realized im probably hurting myself by not switching specs lol

[magic pilot]

Gunner or firewall

[vestal ibex]

Gunner will give you armor on kill as it's biggest advantage, firewall will give you the striker shield, an op medkit. Try both out for a bit and def max out their points along with the others.

[hexed steppe]

If using shield tech can also be considered. Free skill tier and artificer hive both quite useful

[slow gyro]

Is it best to use a yellow core build when using the BTSU gloves?

[tulip charm]

Depends

[vestal ibex]

You need a T6 build with a hive to take advantage of them so yes.

[versed summit]

not really the right question to be asking tbh. It is useful without 6 skill tiers though.

[versed summit]

you can use a trick to get team overcharge tho

[vestal ibex]

I am not going to suggest players use a glitch/bug.

[versed summit]

I didn't see it as a glitch, I guess so though tbh

[slow gyro]

I have 4 tiers atm, I probably should have asked if having 6 tiers is necessary. Silly me.

[versed summit]

if you have 4 skill tiers it's probably worth taking more tbh

[slow gyro]

I'm also using the "battery pack" backpack and "Caesars guard" chest piece. Not sure if these are ideal, but I felt like they could work.

[versed summit]

I think it'd be better if you just showed us the build honestly. I'm not sure what you're trying to do and how it involves BTSU.

[slow gyro]

I'll post a picture later, when I can

[magic pilot]

It's not a bug?

[vestal ibex]

Using BTSU to OC globally on a 6 R/B build should be considered a bug imo.

It's probably just a product of lazy coding that you can BTSU to get yourself to T6 then drop the hive again to OC globally regardless of your build.

[tulip charm]

xd

[magic pilot]

I thought of it as an intended feature

[slow gyro]

Bungie would say it's working as intended

[urban latch]

It allows for a group OC without the intended requirements

[slow gyro]

I'd say it's a good bug then

[vestal ibex]

Well tons of people aren't aware it's a thing still so it's not so much in your face. Hmmm maybe I'll run BTSU on the incursion and OC and see how long till someone calls me a hacker or something.

[magic pilot]

I could see it having niche uses in the incursion

[versed summit]

What did healer builds look like before FI?

[tulip charm]

HE Empathic Resolve/Safeguard with btsu

Fun enough during that time you didnt need t6 hive to proc btsu oc

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'm sure over the years BTSU has changed a bunch.

[versed summit]

that makes sense. just kinda crazy how strong FI is for healers now.

[tulip charm]

yeah

[onyx sage]

i don't consider the btsu under st6 thing to be a bug either

they could've just intended OC to have t6 as a precondition, so overcharging yourself making yourself st6 is reasonable

[fossil plinth]

At what point does red and yellows stop affecting the capacitor?

[urban latch]

6 skill tiers is the max, weapon damage has no hard cap

[fossil plinth]

Well I have 6 red and 5 yellow and I just feel like I do less

[solar sable]

You mean 6 red cores and 5 yellow attributes or viceversa?

[urban latch]

It sounds like your nerfing your build to just get red/yellow cores...

[fossil plinth]

I have 5 red cores and 5 skill tiers I also have a red attribute of 15 % weapon damage

I also have freedom with my chest piece as long as it’s damage

[solar sable]

How do you have 10 cores?

[fossil plinth]

Ninja bike back pack 2 piece ba and 2 piece ps

Honestly could have 6 skill tiers if I run the pistol that gives an extra

[urban latch]

Then your trying to get damage out of the pistol which only sets you back

What is this build for? Pve or pvp?

[fossil plinth]

I don’t use the pistol it was just a statement that I could hit 6 skill tiers with my build

And it’s pve

[urban latch]

You need to have the kard pulled out to get the skill tier

[fossil plinth]

I know how it works

[hexed steppe]

You can actually get decent damage out of capacitor with red yellow hybrid.
I wouldn't ninja... memento gives a big chunk of skill efficiency and weapon damage.
This is the build I've used for the same purpose.
I'll have to dig up my original post that has the chc/chd and damage numbers

I make up a lot of the skill attributes from memento/empress to free room for the crit rolls

Ninja will make it less effective since you only gain some minor stats and cores

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

What is your 6th piece?

[fossil plinth]

I run obliterate on a chest piece I need to figure out a brand I wanna use for it

[hexed steppe]

Itll probably be ceska. But if sticking with ninja you can also use sacrifice and get a chc bonus that way.
If doing a skill damage hybrid the glass or spotter are the only real options. Oblit only helps weapon

[fossil plinth]

Yes I know

[hexed steppe]

It's always gonna feel lacking if you dont nake up the crit, as per your earlier comment

[fossil plinth]

That’s why I run the obliterate it helps build up damage

[hexed steppe]

Not on the skills tho. Damage buff on skills and weapons should be prioritized on a hybrid, otherwise it's kinda shit and would be better to have a traditional dps

[slow gyro]

Can I have a sniper turret that's op just like the ones the hunters use?

[onyx sage]

no

[slow gyro]

Well that sucks

[tawdry raven]

Should I get 2 guns to expertise 20 or a 20 exp gun to 25? I just got EB, Elmo, and Oreo to 25

[versed summit]

Scorpio highkey worth it

Could also justify a regulus or SR-1/Model 700 if you’re using HH enough

[tawdry raven]

I only use hh during global events

Idk about the Scorpio I don't really like that gun

Maybe I should save the components for next season in case they hiding something for next season

[versed summit]

Well expertise 26 for sure. It’s hard to say what’s worth expertising for you without really knowing what you run

[tawdry raven]

Exp 26 is next season? Idk man it's so expensive for 1% already

I just wanted 25 on my 3 favs cuz I like the number

And min-maxing

[versed summit]

1% is better than 20% on a weapon you don’t use lol.

[tawdry raven]

The 20% is to try and to give an incentive to use it

Maybe I should do the mosquito

Cuz the devs said it's the most popular weapon

[onyx sage]

lol

do it for aegis too for extra armor

[tawdry raven]

True, I'll be unstoppable with the meta mosquito + aegis build

[versed summit]

The expertise would probably protect you more than the set bonus lol

[onyx sage]

shhhhh, they're gonna nerf armor expertise

[tawdry raven]

Is the capacitor a good PvE DPS weapon or just pvp?

[onyx sage]

it's good, but not the best

its low mag size and rpm hold it back

[versed summit]

Also hurts on chungas quite a bit.

[wise swallow]

its not good for PVP. thse goofy umbra builds are not good

[short cobalt]

is EB better for headshot damage builds?

[magic pilot]

For PvP?

[short cobalt]

for pve

i know its good in pvp

[solar sable]

It's ok for pve, but it's mainly used for pvp

I'll just let Prodigy answer the right way

[magic pilot]

You had it down lol

[short cobalt]

ok

[tawdry raven]

Hmm interesting, seeing it a lot in the dz tho. Tbf the guy I fought who was using that build was just spamming the launcher skill

So yeah prob is a mid build

[short cobalt]

gunner or survivalist with striker?

[tulip charm]

Gunner

[short cobalt]

k

[spring hill]

Not good! the damage scaling is way hard! you cant handle tenacity! one slap from NPC will make you go down

For PvP very very good

[slender pecan]

i havent played in idk how long and my builds are meh

any recommendations?

[versed summit]

I'd check the pinned spreadsheet and put together a Striker's build, after that, the rest of those builds are a great place to look for more builds.

[junior surge]

That's not even really true tbh. Tenacity just delays damage, it doesn't increase it at all. So if you go down from tenacity, you'd have went down 7 seconds ago without it.

[spring hill]

whats thw use of it in PvE? where the game play is slower than that of PvP?

[devout agate]

@urban latch @wise swallow should I use a crit chance mod for this build

Without it I’m at 40 CHC

[magic pilot]

How is it that low

[quartz ermine]

that depends on how often do you proc the main gun tallent

[stiff jasper]

You should get your watch first but not asking every single build which just changing 1 or 2 item and nothing changing about build playstyle

Unless you able to change 16 different build in 1 minutes

[stiff jasper]

According my observation, you asking build 24/7, are you actually using them? Eventually have you playing pvp?

Keep asking build doesn't help your pvp experience a lot, spend more time to actually use them plz

[rocky rain]

For the event, I only have to kill 15 with a grenade. Anyone has a good build for that?

[junior surge]

Honestly, I'd just put it on normal, foam them and put a grenade at their feet

[strong cave]

Collector chest, riot foam, grenade

Set to low difficulty as well 👍

[urban latch]

Do you have chc mods on the guns? The FAMAS should have 3 and the f2000 should have 2

If your still missing chc from your watch that's going to set you back further

[tawdry raven]

Do u have to be holding out the kard custom to get the skill tier?

[versed summit]

yes

it'd be so busted if you didn't have to hold it tbh

[tawdry raven]

Well yeah dz named items tend to be a little more special

Or completely mid like the claws holster

[versed summit]

more like niche IMO

[tawdry raven]

They keep trying to push melee build items that don't do enough in heroic, maybe if they added a exotic that gave melee an AOE affect

Also grenade items until they added a bugged bag that did become meta til it was fixed

[sullen sun]

💯

What’s the argument over using the M700 over the White Death? Even though the WD has more HS dmg? Sniper main here

[shy willow]

Because the m700 has ridiculous base damage

Assuming model 700

M700 family has less but have mag reloads higher capacities and are more modular

[sullen sun]

But slower reload speed

[shy willow]

Hotshot gives like 30 percent handling it don't matter too much

[sullen sun]

So Ekims ok to use in PvP?

[versed summit]

HH is all about base. Take an SR-1 if you're worried about reload. still better than WD

[shy willow]

Just use base model with a better talent

[sullen sun]

Ranger is pretty good tbh

In PvP it’s meta I’d say

[shy willow]

It's okay but determined is completely busted

[versed summit]

Ranger is good, can't speak for PvP tho

[sullen sun]

In PvP too?

[versed summit]

cheesy

[sullen sun]

That’s all I use

[sullen sun]

It’s true

I love determined

[shy willow]

Ye

[sullen sun]

If I could throw determined on everything I’d be a happy man

I’ve always heard Ranger was the best for PvP but 90% of the time I’m banging HS’s

[shy willow]

I hear optimist and behind you are pretty decent

[sullen sun]

I’d go Ranger before those

Behind you doesn’t work in PvP

Not sure why..

[versed summit]

not sure how they'd make it work tbh.

[shy willow]

Like it's just disabled or it's weird with players

I wonder if it's the same case with mantis

[urban latch]

Ranger if you use glass cannon, determined if your going to cheese stacking HH/determined on ads and hit players

[sullen sun]

Mantis works quite well in PvP tbh. Especially since it was readjusted

[sullen sun]

But determined doesn’t work well in PvP correct?

[urban latch]

It's pretty broken OP if you can get it activated

[devout agate]

I’m missing one on each going to farm them now

[pallid merlin]

Determined while it is cheesy , anything with a helmet will stop it , in pvp case dunno if it's possible to snipe pop 6 blue core , unbreakable will save them usually

[gentle lichen]

It will 1 shot

But nemesis does just that with its crit in pvp so the difference really is the charge time and being forced to scope

[wise swallow]

Ranger is meta for a certain play style

very niche playstyle

but its a good talent if your someone who is often pretty far away

[sullen sun]

I’m a sniper main for the most part

[wise swallow]

not using determined?

[rich lotus]

What’s the best healer build? Future Initiative, Alps backpack (Opportunistic?), BTSU’s?

[versed summit]

please say sike right now

Rigger doesn't even have skill repair lol

[rich lotus]

I meant Future Initiative lol.

[versed summit]

whatever you say boss lol. The setup is better though. The +5% amp is more valuable than the extra repair skill, and depending on the content can be worth it even with the wrong rolls.

[rich lotus]

I’m high afrn 😮‍💨

[quartz ermine]

i have 2 for you: with the first build you will get more armor repair but you need to "stay behind", with the second build you get more skill haste and Perfect Overclock for your temmates( here you can use the Technician specialization for Faraday Field)

[versed summit]

Safegaurd & reformation are pretty overkill for an FI healer, Overclock is cool, but doesn't really matter when your team is running revive hives and shields, and the biggest issue is the loss of scorpio and Perf Oppurtinistic. Scorpio is incredibly useful to keep you alive as a healer, and it allows you to apply its debuff, as well as synergize with the Oppurtunistic debuff.

[quartz ermine]

I don't think so, just so you know you can heal shields(and those have a lot of hp, you need 2-3 repair charges to repair a shied [with my first build]) and with the gloves you can reset the cooldowns for your teammates revive hives. With scorpio and perfectly opportunistic, for my playstyle, is not good.

[slender pecan]

anybody got a crit build?

[onyx sage]

striker or high end

[slender pecan]

either or

[magic pilot]

Your team shouldn't need shields

[quartz ermine]

why?

[magic pilot]

Because you are the healer

[quartz ermine]

so?

[tulip charm]

Dont forget The Setup, Lefty and Scorpio

[slow gyro]

I think I have all those things except Future Initiative, this is good

[hexed steppe]

Team wide debuff with scorpio/ perf opp, survivalist 10% amp to status, on top of future amp is highly valuable... you wont need to heal as much if your team is just destroying everything...

Throw in stage left for another amp ig too

[onyx sage]

i mean as in both are used with crit, you can pick either or both

[quartz ermine]

ez to say, hard to do, i don't like to play with scorpio and perf opp when i join with 3 random guys because i deed to stay in front line to proc scorio and perf opp. better safe than sorry

[tulip charm]

Personally CC is way better in a random group than FI but thats my opinion

[sullen sun]

Not in PvP

[hexed steppe]

Ez to do as well. Dont need to be up front.
I use the same setup for a cc eclipse build that keeps shit debuffed in countdown(surv/scorpio/perf opp/stage left).
Most of the people you'll be healing will likely be all red core so extra heals isnt as valuable when you could have an option to do more to help the team .
I get that its preference, but this is build advice so options are gonna be suggested regardless 💯

[slender pecan]

striker

ykw

both actually

[onyx sage]

reference the sheet pinned in this channel

check the builds tab, striker and standard dps build/high end are in there

[hexed steppe]

also consider negotiators for crit build as well

[slender pecan]

thanks

[rich lotus]

Can I get Yaahl gear from Legacy Caches?

[urban latch]

I dont think so since thats all previous season gear. Yaahl has just been in the DZ since gear 2.0

[magic pilot]

It is not in legacy caches

Best way rn is conflict caches, im conflict lvl 25 and i have over 90 yaahl mats plus additional gear. I've gotten 0 pieces from dz

[shy willow]

You only need to hit one pellet to proc you can just hide in the back

[magic pilot]

If you can hit razorback from overwatch and the train in IH from the cannon I think you'll be fine proccing opp and scorpio debuff

[tulip charm]

Also scorpio is so strong it lets you kill a rusher or a purple ad that sneaks by.

[magic pilot]

I've noticed with expertise 20 on my Scorpio on the healer build I can kill yellow in 2 mags usually, depending on group buffs like coyotes and specs

[tulip charm]

Yeah insane gun

[magic pilot]

I still can't believe navy rain uses a 6 blue core HHF memento build on DUA

Shotguns are so fun

[shy willow]

Some are biblically accurate and then you have cuelebre and send off

[tulip charm]

I mean hhf is pretty op

But it so rewarding

[onyx sage]

my uncle loves hhf

but he has strayed from the path and used determined 😔

[shy willow]

With aim like his I struggle to comprehend it

[surreal depot]

you've got your objective, don't let anything stand in your way

[tulip charm]

you've got your objective, don't let anything stand in your way

[sullen sun]

Make it make sense

I got killed by this in the DZ the other day..

[lone blade]

Is there a updated Build listr somewhere? Not been playing for a while, an d wanna dip my toes back in.

[patent fossil]

yeah, check the spreadsheet linked in the pins, builds are on the Hub tab

[lone blade]

thank you

[urban latch]

It's a health build, so 2.3 combined health/armor. That said I don't think that setup is good, so you likely just got outplayed.

[sullen sun]

Is there a better version of it?

I assume with Aegis?

[urban latch]

Main thing is I don't understand why they wouldn't run 6 blues if your trying for that build, but it's probably because they just don't have the pieces

They've got less survivability than a typical pvp build, and the obliterate on the chest and clutch on the backpack really doesn't make sense

It just looks like a YTer clickbait build

[quartz ermine]

look what the backpack talent does, it is all about hp

[urban latch]

It used to be 4 years ago and was a key part of health builds, but it was changed in gear 2.0 to be near useless

[quartz ermine]

no't sure man, combine Crisis respone from demolitionist with perfect clutch(3 red cores) in a SMG build

[urban latch]

What...

[quartz ermine]

it does his job for PvP in DZ

[urban latch]

Alrighty lol

Doesn't mean it makes any sense

[quartz ermine]

why not?

[urban latch]

On kill talents are not good in pvp lol

[strong cave]

Came up with this build -

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtAjATGAMYwsOL5tRtAuAbPCEkMiySArJpetgCykzwmSzLVWZbREoPtv9YyycDgQokATj58swAOzdG0-hyg5RNSFwggpECfgmF9valiiwYmifQTo5UgdFEUyCivByaVsLHPMUNFYeVJxgyCH8QA

I'm looking to make some kinda tank/crowd control for DZ and unsure if this looks alright or not 🤔 a second opinion would be much appreciated (don't say the obvious of "crowd control in DZ is useless." This build is meant for playing with groups and clearing landmarks)

[urban latch]

Just use high end if it's for pvp

[versed summit]

I think you'd be better off trying to shoot them

[quartz ermine]

only half of it is "on kill"

[strong cave]

I agree with you both, ive got a theory in mind but it's a rough idea

[strong cave]

Kinda mid backpack

[urban latch]

Right... You know how much longer your lasting in pvp when your talent only starts working when you've got 20% armor left...

[quartz ermine]

that's permanently, think of it as a "sweet spot" when you are under 20%

[urban latch]

Is clutch something you've actually used... You just recently thought it was a talent about health...

[strong cave]

Perfectly efficient + firewall med kit = better than clutch

Clutch is heavily reliant on Ouroboros and well, you have to stop and shoot to get your armor back when low. An opponent will see you're low, and he's gonna mag dump

Catharsis + perf efficient + firewall med kit allows for more healing without the requirement to stop and shoot. Strafe is key

[urban latch]

The rpm really doesn't help clutch.

[quartz ermine]

probably, the only problem is that you need to stay in cover to use the med kit in PvP situation

[strong cave]

True, not really. You can be hurling bullets at 1485 rpm but clutch only gives 2.5% back per hit . If the enemy is shooting you, that 2.5 is gone instantly

[strong cave]

Somebody teach this guy about instakits

You can use an instakit once every 5 seconds. With perfectly efficient, has a 75% chance to NOT consume the plate. Instakits repair 25% of total armor, pair it with firewall and it repairs even more. Clutch is 2.5% per crit hit. Firewall instakit with perf efficient will win 9/10 times

[fresh shoal]

Didn’t the devs disable how insta-kits work with specializations and efficient/perfect efficient? Could have sworn they did

[quartz ermine]

you are right, now it makes sense, i was looking at firewall, I didn't know if perfectly efficient also affects instakit

[fresh shoal]

I’m pretty sure that just the full medkits get that interaction now. Could be wrong tho

[strong cave]

It was a bug with system corruption for a while. People would use an instakit and then proc hackstep protocol

I wish that still worked 😩😩

[strong cave]

It's broken on bighorn+catharsis builds

[fresh shoal]

Not sure why the instant kits were decided to not work with efficient talent. Would make it more viable

[versed summit]

it's still very good, and the chance to not consume is very useful

[fresh shoal]

^yes im not arguing there. But the other half of the talent allows for your med kits to be even more powerful (heal nearby team members, get more armor back, etc). That’s what I’m talking about

[versed summit]

sure would be cool

[strong cave]

It would be cool but imagine a group of 4 bighorn builds just instakitting near each other to heal each other

In my opinion I think perfectly efficient needs to be rebalanced to where it only applies if you actually put a plate in not using instakit

Regulus needs to be nerfed as well my opinion

For PvP tho PvE is fine

[fresh shoal]

Perfectly efficient and efficient do NOT take advantage of the specialization medkits, when using instant kits. It only works when using a full medkit. I do see where that would be abused, so that’s why it’s a “nice to have” and not a “need to have”.

[strong cave]

No, what I mean by putting in a kit I mean it has a chance to not consume the kit

[fresh shoal]

Ohhhhh gotcha haha. My bad. Mornings aren’t my best haha

[strong cave]

In my opinion I think using an instant kit should always consume the armor kit but putting in a plate will not sometimes

It's a pretty broken chestpiece, it's unstoppable on armor regen catharsis builds. Instant kids basically act as armor regen

[lone blade]

Best\easiest build to Power level SHD Solo?
I need to do it before i burn myself out again on SUmmit and co8untdown ect

[fresh shoal]

Hotshot determined imo

[quartz ermine]

you said this: Instakits repair 25% of total armor, pair it with firewall and it repairs even more. Clutch is 2.5% per crit hit. Firewall instakit with perf efficient will win 9/10 times

[strong cave]

So I made an error, lynch me because I made one small error. heaven forbid I'm human

[lone blade]

anyone have a Hotshot Detrimed build ? Cant find one on the sheet. And im kinda scrubish in division 😛

[strong cave]

Get good

Kidding

[quartz ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx-YCgJnfN4&ab_channel=RoymarioGaming try this

[strong cave]

Chainkiller chest with weap handling + headshot damage w/ headshot mod. Airaldi bag, same attributes, but with vigilance talent. SR-1 sniper with determined, also 4 hotshot pieces for HS damage for rest of gear

[lone blade]

thank you very much!

[lone blade]

thank you very much!

[strong cave]

Good luck agent 👍👍

[hexed steppe]

Sniper setups in the this channels pinned spreadsheet.
Model 700
M700 carbon
Sr1
with determined talent

Between weapon handling rolls and stability mods you ideally want to hit 100% stability so you have no scope sway while aiming

[tawdry raven]

Is the f2000 better than shield splinter?

[versed summit]

if you're using strained basically

[glossy scarab]

I'd rather have an F2000 with changeable talent over a shield splinterer. i have both and use both pretty much equally but it nice to have a choice of talent

[magic pilot]

Sheild splinterer only better in PvP, or headshot builds in pve

Otherwise I run fast hands, strained is more dps

[fresh shoal]

Also if you are finding it tough to stay alive you can switch vigilance for bloodsucker. At full stacks they do the same damage, but vigilance will get you higher damage quicker. Bloodsucker just keeps giving you insane bonus armor.

[versed summit]

it's not the same cap lol...

[fresh shoal]

Agree to disagree. Read the chainkiller talent. It locks you at 1250% regardless of other talents. You will bottom out at full stacks and will one shot almost anything regardless of backpack talent

[versed summit]

You'll one shot anything around cap that's true, but cap is affected by vigilance

[solar sable]

true, locks at 1250% if you have more than 150% HSD.

[versed summit]

The HH bonus is capped, the multipliers still multiply with it.

[fresh shoal]

Again agree to disagree. No worries tho

[tulip charm]

???

[versed summit]

This isn't agree to disagree...

I will prove it if I need to

[tulip charm]

Vig damage boost hh damage

[fresh shoal]

Boosts its initial damage.

[tulip charm]

So you’re saying full hh stack does the same regardless if you run vig or bloodsucker?

[versed summit]

Formula for HH bonus damage = [Base damage] x WD x TWD x DTH x DTA x 12.5 + [Headshot at no stacks]

[fresh shoal]

And again if you are one shotting everything, then vigilance is just giving you additional damage to stack quicker. In the end it really doesn’t matter what you use because max HH stacks will kill everything

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[versed summit]

yes that's fine but it does affect the cap.

[tulip charm]

Rather have vigilant so I can actually use it other than cp farming

[fresh shoal]

I’m not disagreeing. I just swap backpacks depending on content

[tulip charm]

At that point just run memento

[glossy scarab]

heres a new version of a grenade build i use for completing that one GE task

[fresh shoal]

Does anyone know if festive delivery “should” be able to roll to skill attribute. I haven’t seen this addressed anywhere on the trello board

[glossy scarab]

oh yea i totally forgot i had that

i dont use explosive skills since its a grenade thing so i dont care about skill tiers

[fresh shoal]

I was updating my mortar build when festive delivery came out and tinker station won’t let it change to skill tier :/

[glossy scarab]

i dont know if you can roll it to skill tier, i cant remember if that was a problem when it first came out

[fresh shoal]

Yah it’s been like that since festive launched. I assumed it would be updated….but I was wrong haha

[glossy scarab]

oh you tried?

[onyx sage]

vigilance gives twd which scales bullet damage AND hh bonus

feel free to reference the headhunter guide i wrote, it lists everything that will scale hh bonus

[urban latch]

If you mean it makes no difference if your one shotting things regardless then sure, but vigilance absolutely does more damage and increases how much you will hit at max HH stacks. It's very simple to test and it's just a matter of math, it's not an opinion

[fresh shoal]

^exactly what I meant but gave up on trying to explain

[urban latch]

thats not what you were saying though lol

[fresh shoal]

That’s what I was trying to say lol

[dreamy valve]

Wait what’s the difference between the 700 and SR1

[versed summit]

m700 or model 700?

[dreamy valve]

Carbon 700

[versed summit]

the SR-1, that specific variant, is better than the M700s.

srs-A1 and covert srs are the same as the M700s though IIRC

[dreamy valve]

Is there anything the Carbon has that the SR1 doesn’t?

[versed summit]

extra round in the mag I think

[leaden phoenix]

Im focusing on a tank build and have got foundary bulwarkset but am unsure with the chestplate.

Should i keep foundary chest or should trade that off for a chest with unbreakable

[versed summit]

Pointman, but what is the tank for?

[dreamy valve]

Use chest and bag slot for something else besides the sets

I use unbreakable myself

With adrenaline rush

All mods into pfe, bulwark shield with defender drone since Liberty pistol can restore shield health already

All attribute slot into explosive and hazard resist

Your role is to live through everything as a walking revive hive. Revive hive itself is too limited and has the highest skill cooldown in the game, and sometimes disrupt can disable it

[magic pilot]

btsu and technician

[dreamy valve]

You can stand in the middle of the room with 5 rogue agents on top of you and still revive players

[dreamy valve]

The average pug player will die every 20-30 seconds during a rogue encounter

[glossy scarab]

na ah. they're not that hard

or is the average player not as good as im giving them credit for

[tulip charm]

who knows with out stats to back it up

[dreamy valve]

control point spawns are fine since its a defensive point with npcs to back you up, but during missions, depends on the spawn room

[glossy scarab]

kinda depends yeah. a lot of the time if they coordinate well then i dont win, but so much of the time they kinda just do their own thing so i can just handle 3 on my own cuz its just one at a time

[dreamy valve]

one player dying usually becomes a domino effect in my experience. everytime I switch to the build its always a pass though

although I don't know what triggers the Rogue agents to retreat once players start dying

[hexed steppe]

Base damage. Both are solid weapons with mag reload and good attachment points.
Couple extra rounds in the carbon. I use both across my alts so it's more preference as to which is used. Both hit hard.

[dreamy valve]

looks like ill try to get a nice Sr1 to drop then

although im not sure if the SR1 would stack HH faster than the 700 already

[hexed steppe]

They should stack the same.

Dont skimp on handling rolls and stability mods.

[dreamy valve]

if they do, then maxing my Carbon700 seems fine then

[hexed steppe]

Yeah carbon is solid. I use both because it's just what dropped first for the specific alt

[dreamy valve]

do you use nemesis for initial stacks?

I don't have scope on my sniper rifles

[hexed steppe]

I dont. I keep an elmo since it's easy at beaming heads when shtf

[tulip charm]

I only use nemesis for leg

[hexed steppe]

I either start with a red/purple bar or take a couple shots

[half cosmos]

I am thinking of making a haz proc sub build to use with backfire

Mask will be cavilier for 30% got about another near 60% from sub stats ready to place onto attribute slots

[strong cave]

Only direction would be ninjabike and at that point, just go red umbra and don't use backfire at all

[versed summit]

You sacrifice too much damage for it to really be worth it, but if it sounds enjoyable go for it.

[half cosmos]

XD

[versed summit]

Also no cavalier

[half cosmos]

Why?

[versed summit]

Not worth it

[half cosmos]

2 peice will give 30% haz proc

[versed summit]

Losing attributes when you only need bleed resistance

[half cosmos]

With ninja i need only mask

[versed summit]

It’s just gonna be less damage

[versed summit]

That’s even worse

[strong cave]

See what did I say 🤣 it's ninjabike

Fkn told you

[half cosmos]

And backfire has 21% cc then 18% from mods (6% is cap ye? X3)

+10 cc fron watch

+10 cheska

Gets to 59%

Chd and the wep can do 200% on full stacks if i understand its perk

[strong cave]

But getting to 200 stacks tho, when will you ever maintain 200 stacks??

[half cosmos]

Heroic and stuff should make it possible

[strong cave]

It will deplete pretty quick

[versed summit]

You can’t maintain the stacks because there’s no decay, they just drop off lol

[half cosmos]

Ammo will will flow sadly

[strong cave]

^^

I can make you a haz pro build if you want for backfire 🤷‍♂️

[half cosmos]

Another i am thinking of trying is swayer+umbra

Also a question

My striker build touches 59.5% chc without cheska

And 60% with cheska (should go over but hits cap)

Wont it be better if i use a grupo to increase my chd ?

This one is a strikers build with cayoti mask

[half cosmos]

Plz i would like to have a look

[versed summit]

For striker just use this tbh

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wDdwNz4fPy26yi9cOAQ4s0muy_zWEU8oF2DTLXPTMS0/edit?usp=drivesdk

I really don’t recommend the backfire though

[tulip charm]

Poor soul doesn’t know that backfire stacks resets after 10 secs

[half cosmos]

I still have not started the journey yet i just kept disolving and captured haz proc from things i was about to disolve anyways

I mainly wanted to ask what would be better set for the backfire thing

Striker

Or hunter for the 20% smg and 20% damage from source in close quaters

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtOAMYIwW1EOU1CBcxgtvGBmNJKHRdffeANlzgBY7Smjybwa4jnnztKPuXFvgCcYGtE6DpkdCDoAOMIxFiYwNVTgwqkqiVTohMozJ6zjhyyiA

Very specific rolls but you get 90 haz pro and 100+ CHD and 60/60 CHC

Backfire can give you another 200 so you'll get 300% CHD at strongest

Want my advice? Don't use backfire

[half cosmos]

Rn best set is elmo with anything for me

But wanted to ask before investing hours

[strong cave]

It's not a bad build, don't get us wrong, it's just it's not very effective

I only see this being used for MAYBE legendary or raids and even then it's got a very niche use

[half cosmos]

Why yharl and walker? It wont compleat the stiker set

[strong cave]

Yahl = haz pro and weapon damage
Walker = weapon damage and armor damage

I didn't go strikers because high end will give better haz pro

I can make a striker one if needed

[versed summit]

No

[strong cave]

The big fat maybe was your queue I left that there for ya 🤣

[half cosmos]

I made one now how do i share?

[strong cave]

Use build tool and copy and paste your stats and each gear piece

[tulip charm]

Better way to run Backfire Striker's Ikia's 2.12 Backfire Striker HZP

[half cosmos]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMYIzxk2LlpQLmMNDxwGZVixwTMBOSUxcAFjvSfIwA5rYFznmMQqonHtxYEBSLsKnQ+ddowpU4wJRARwInCGXQYR0vdN4z9xQ6ZhA

[half cosmos]

This one is more like what i ment

[strong cave]

Ceska second attribute isn't worth it. Run sokolov

Then run a shotty for secondary bc hunters fury piece

With soko you get CHC and more SMG damage

Oh sorry, I had that backwards.. soko gives more CHD but you can drop some crit damage for crit chance

[onyx sage]

i will complain on stream if i see this build used

and i carry any person except skill build users

[half cosmos]

Shotty on striker i know for quick stacks

I mean having 80% and 10% from watch will put on 90% max will that last 10% proc?

[strong cave]

Better not catch me in your lobby 🤣🤣

[strong cave]

If I'm not mistaken you're immune to bleed at 80??

[onyx sage]

i've roasted a lot matchmaking for tidal this week

[strong cave]

I'll stand to be corrected

[half cosmos]

Idk havent really paid attention to how haz pro works i was wondering if u guys can ans this

[strong cave]

Don't worry, I won't run that setup. I'll run my all blue tip of the spear ✌️ trust the DPS I do bro

[onyx sage]

that's still better than the shit i see on the daily

[half cosmos]

I never liked spear

Like why?

[onyx sage]

so you have an idea of what i see

[half cosmos]

Yea but i find it boring but dont mean i Will throw a tantrum if someone uses it lol

[hexed steppe]

Ig this means I better not bring a mortar build

[onyx sage]

bring them for the open sections and i will thank you immensely for it

you spawn kill them so quick

[half cosmos]

Ppl hate the motar??? It got me though the dlc when i had jack idea of how to make builds

[strong cave]

In pvp it's too cheesy

But they're referring to PvE

Whole different world between the two

[half cosmos]

Oh never done pvp went to dz like 1nce?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah pve.

[half cosmos]

That too was yesterday cause i needed a gear set peice for regulus and the drop was from dz

Thats when i learnt DZ HAS RECORDINGS???

[hexed steppe]

Summit and cd both have target loot

[onyx sage]

yeyeye ongoing directive with regulus

bleed build

[strong cave]

It's not for the PvE ers, alotta people expect everyone to be friendly and get mad when they aren't friendly and die to rogues. If you go into it with at least an armor strikers build, you'll be fine

... And with the idea in mind you might get rogue griefed too

[hexed steppe]

Div 1 dz > div 2 dz.

[half cosmos]

Yea my sleepy brain had forgotten that

[half cosmos]

I have a heartbreaker pulse build for it

And yes it uses ninja to stay a bit damage dealing

Elmo, perfect spotter , heartbreaker 3p and foxprayer i think?

Oh wait no

Thats the 1st iteration not the scan spam that has

Night watch on mask insted for 8sec cooldowns

Anyhow GN will make a striker hazpro build cause why not lol might as well i have 2-3 decent sets to use

[tulip charm]

You’re better off just running ceska vigi backpack and coyotes

[versed summit]

I posted that one lol

[versed summit]

Bleed immunity is 93.8%

[tulip charm]

xd

[strong cave]

Thank you for correcting me, I myself wasn't sure. I know at 80% you should be fine, you'll tick maybe once before bleed is over

I've seen some builds go to 80 for haz pro and then use bleed resis mods to carry them to the cap

[versed summit]

If building for backfire that’s the best way to do it. You don’t even need good mods

Haz pro brandset bonuses are worse than a normal damage brandset bonus

[sand flume]

Any tips for returning/ new players

[versed summit]

If you’re returning I’d look through the pinned spreadsheet and update your old builds to try and make them as relevant as possible. For a new player just farm a striker build like the one in the spreadsheet

[sand flume]

So I’m starting fresh switched to pc recently but thank you I’m gonna look at that stuff

What tab is that in?

[versed summit]

This one

[strong cave]

I went sorta high end build as a total meme, if I were to go gearset I'd think umbra maybe

Striker is too easy, I like the idea of an umbra backfire build

[wise swallow]

nbp a somewhat viable option?

1 yhaal would give haz pro and dmg.

then whatever else brands

[strong cave]

I went that route as well, can be found above earlier in chat

[wise swallow]

you dont need cava but yea

yhall would be 70 only need 2 rolls after that

[versed summit]

They’d basically build the same anyways

[versed summit]

Just take yaahl and Fenris? Don’t lose BP talent?

[magic pilot]

Cav is worse

Best option is 2 ceska or ceska yaahl

[wise swallow]

walker aswell maybe

so you have yhaal, walker, fenris for WD

or fenris fuck me, soko lol

[versed summit]

Are we building for bleed or for hazpro? And for DZ or PvE. Is backfire even worth it for DZ?

[wise swallow]

I was just talking about backfire HE instead of gearset

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwdgtAzGAMYIxnLZNUvTAXAVm2+i8EGKATPujsJKguHKQJwUsmbABsYXsCJrrTBDxQufAf0oAOGmInzkmUsBnVGzONg0cEcDrw7k2khZhPnMHIcxDUpeEMzalYxSOQhOKQA

How's this? @versed summit

I completely forgot ceska 2 PC gives haz pro

[versed summit]

I don’t like the idea of not going full bleed resist. Umbra can kind of negate that ofc, but I bet it’d still get you killed. not to mention you’re using a set that has a bunch of CHD, and using a gun with a bunch of CHD, bloating your overall CHD. might not be enough to matter but who knows

[strong cave]

Backfire is pure trash in dz, the enemies in locations health is dumbed down and pretty much an all blue build can take down a heroic landmark pretty easily

[strong cave]

I went 60% haz pro and threw on bleed mods to carry me to the 90 limit. My goal with that build would be to use umbra to increase the hell out of my CHD and then go even higher with backfire

Why would you want 300-400% crit damage?? Because yes. I can make a 127 round St Elmo's build. I mean who doesn't want a 127 round St Elmo's

Is it viable tho? Don't ask that question the answer is obvious 🤣

Just did the math, the build at the base will have 98% CHD. Backfire will give 200, so 298 CHD. Umbra will give another 100%, so that's 398% CHD. I could go for more by sacrificing bleed/haz pro but that's when it gets deadly

[versed summit]

HE Backfire 100% bleed resist

it wasn’t liking my link ig. This is how I’d build HE full bleed resist, and 337 CHD at max without Coyote’s.

it’s just not as good as an actual SMG build tbh

[strong cave]

Oh wow I like that. Damn wow that's really good

[versed summit]

if you dropped Coyote’s for Grupo you could go ad another hazpro roll and maybe take something like Fox’s with Hazpro instead of the 2nd Ceska piece? might be worth it since you’re so stacked on CHD, but I dunno. it’s not worth farming IMO.

[strong cave]

I fully agree. Seems like my umbra idea would wield more CHD

And a bit easier to farm

But still, at that point, I'd give up using backfire for the crit stacks and just flat out use umbra

[versed summit]

You have the umbra mechanic, are bloated on CHD, and are losing a damage backpack talent. and the umbra isn’t immune to bleed. I’d prefer the HE if I were to choose.

[strong cave]

For me I wouldn't go with vigilance

I'd go unstoppable force

[versed summit]

could fit perf unstoppable if you took a Grupo mask

[strong cave]

You're right 👀

[versed summit]

I’m honestly very curious how much CHD is even worth on this build, could possibly rebalance CHC/CHD & drop 2nd & 3rd sokolov to take electrique. so 3 pc electrique, backbone, 1 pc sokolov & 1pc ceska? could be better and actually not that difficult to farm since you don’t need electrique Backpack or chest.

[dreamy valve]

how much damage at max stacks

[versed summit]

Damage I dunno, but probably still getting 300 CHD

[strong cave]

Using my umbra build above, you could get 400+

But you'll be sacrificing a lot of resistance for more crits

[dreamy valve]

you get bleed res?

[strong cave]

It comes with 60% haz pro and I use 3 bleed resistance mods to carry me to 90 immunity (I'm pretty sure it works that way)

[dreamy valve]

theres downtime for umbra stacks though right

[glossy scarab]

5 seconds in cover to recharge while wearing the umbra chest i think

[strong cave]

^^ beat me to it

[glossy scarab]

im running fast hands

[strong cave]

Basically just spend a quick 5 seconds in cover, boom you're almost at 200% crit damage instantly

(198 with my build)

[dreamy valve]

whats the max damage youve had

[strong cave]

Then use backfire to stack even more. If you're willing to sacrifice a bleed resistance mod, you can squeeze another 12% crit damage

[strong cave]

Haven't used the build yet, something I made a theory of

Lemme do some math

[strong cave]

Base dmg (no DTTOC): 124,841
Base dmg (with DTTOC): 137,325

124,841 * 98% = 122,344 + 124,841 = 247,185 dmg per shot with no DTTOC (no stacks)

137,325 * 98% = 134,578 + 137,325 = 271,904 dmg per shot with DTTOC (no stacks)

Now that we have the base damage per shot, we can add another 300% to each number (100 from umbra, 200 from backfire)

Since I have a DTTOC backfire, I'm gonna use my final crit damage with no stacks (271,904) and multiply it by 300% to give me my total damage per shot.

271,904 * 300% = 815,712 + 271,904 = 1,087,616 damage per critical shot with DTTOC

^^ if somebody whos a math genius wants to check my numbers, please do.

Build: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwdgtAzGAMYIxnLZNUvTAXAVm2+i8EGKATPujsJKguHKQJwUsmbABsYXsCJrrTBDxQufAf0oAOGmInzkmUsBnVGzONg0cEcDrw7k2khZhPnMHIcxDUpeEMzalYxSOQhOKQA

Also for funsies, backfire has a rate of fire at 850 rounds per minute. With umbra you get 30% more rate of fire. 850 * 30% = 255 + 850 = 1,105 rounds per minute

[hexed steppe]

i fail to see the point of using this when a traditional striker set would hit harder with a regular highend ar/smg

[strong cave]

^^ I agree. I guess the point is to flex close to 400% critical hit damage? Idek. I probably won't ever run backfire myself but I made a build template and it's now there for anyone to try out

[versed summit]

getting that much CHD is useless, that's what I've kept alluding too. The only point of stacking that much CHD is for a YT thumbnail, that's why Striker's is a better option because it's providing another multiplier instead of padding CHD. At least for the HE I put together, it builds for more weapon damage to synergize with the crit a bit better.

[strong cave]

I'd probably find your build way more fun than my umbra idea. I love backfire but after 10 seconds all stacks go away makes it such a terrible weapon. Now if the stacks were reduced by maybe 50 per 10 seconds, id see the weapon a bit more viable

[versed summit]

Stack decay would make it a lot better, but the problem is that from a damage standpoint it still doesn't compete

[strong cave]

Yeah, it sadly doesn't. I'd rather go chameleon at that point because then I won't have 10 seconds to race to the next enemy encounter. I can get my stacks up, mosey as long as I want, and the stacks will be there. They don't go away until you're back in combat and the timer ticks down again

Idk if chameleon is meant to pause the timer of the talent when out of combat or not but I find a lot of times on countdown I'll get my max stacks and we rotate to the next encounter and when I get there my stacks haven't left

[versed summit]

honestly Chameleon is just a bad SMG. I'd rather just take a banshee tbh and not have to worry about stacks.

[strong cave]

I'm with you on that one. I love chameleon but only in target rich environments

[fervent wasp]

Hey, any advice on if I should change anything? This build runs great for me, but I want to know if anything could be swapped to make it better. I use this on open world Heroic and it does great. Have not tried with incursion or legendary missions. Open to any criticism thanks!

[strong cave]

I'd ditch picaro's for walker & Harris

That 1 armor core ain't gonna save your life. You're already squishy

3 PC prov I can see why you'd take it

[fervent wasp]

Yeah picaros is the only thing that is thought was flimsy with this

[wise swallow]

I mean ideally you wanna use ceska and foxes

pic is still good

[strong cave]

Pic ain't bad at all but trading crit chance for 1 armor core is pointless

[fervent wasp]

Foxes give rifle damage, not really ideal for me (I don't use rifles often)

[versed summit]

Dtoc is better than weapon damage on this build

[strong cave]

10% DTTOC attribute

[fervent wasp]

True

[versed summit]

ceska wouldn't fit here

[versed summit]

8

[strong cave]

Oh is it 8???

[fervent wasp]

I'll try swapping out picaros and see if I like that

[strong cave]

AH yes that's right. They're the same as contractors attribute

[glossy scarab]

all the picaros is doing is buffing that shield slightly

[wise swallow]

it would. Group, coyote, ceska, pic, foxes, fenris or walker if hes not maining the AR

[strong cave]

3 PC prov gives hs damage + crit dmg and chance

[wise swallow]

i mean ig if you really wanted to stick with prov

[versed summit]

Killer is a lackluster damage talent, STrained would be better

[fervent wasp]

Wouldn't strained be better for slow firing weapons?

[versed summit]

you could do CFG if you're not taking the gift or the sacrifice

[wise swallow]

I dont see why youd bother with it

[versed summit]

misconception.

[fervent wasp]

Is it better all around?

[versed summit]

It's better than having an on kill talent.

[strong cave]

Fast fire weapons will reach the 5th stack, quicker you shoot the more DPS

[fervent wasp]

Ah ok

Because it tells you .5 seconds firing

I'm pretty sure

[glossy scarab]

you just wanna make sure your crit chance is good because thats whats getting the damage boost with strained

[strong cave]

Well, fire rate won't give more DPS, you just do damage quicker is what I mean

[fervent wasp]

What does walker give?

[wise swallow]

5% wd

[strong cave]

5% weapon damage

[fervent wasp]

Ah

[strong cave]

2 pieces give wd and then damage to armor

[wise swallow]

gets your CHC up too

[strong cave]

Good with contractors and fox's

[fervent wasp]

I'm good on chc

I've heard that 50% is good, you don't really need 60, is that true?

[wise swallow]

that goes on a case to case basis

[strong cave]

You can get away with 50 but you want to get close to 60

[fervent wasp]

Ok

[glossy scarab]

the closer to 60 the higher the dps. unless you're taking advantage of coyotes mask mid range buff

[wise swallow]

are you using cotoye mid buff most of the time?

[strong cave]

LOL the 3 of us were gonna ask that 🤣🤣

[glossy scarab]

haha

[fervent wasp]

I mean I don't exclusively go for a specific range but usually I get the mid buff

I've also toyed with the idea of using Ridgeway's Pride

But wouldn't really fit

[wise swallow]

stop toying with that idea

[glossy scarab]

yea

[wise swallow]

lmao

[fervent wasp]

Is it a bad exotic?

[glossy scarab]

its kinda a damage sink

[fervent wasp]

I understand

The only real way I think to get more survivability without sacrificing damage is to get expertise up

[strong cave]

I really only see it useful on bleed builds focused specifically for dark zone or conflict

[fervent wasp]

👍

[strong cave]

I myself have a bleed build and it does serious damage but it gets overpowered easily

[fervent wasp]

Would there be any other exotics that would be better than coyotes?

Besides momento

[strong cave]

If you like doing shock stuff with St Elmo's, shocker punch is very fun

[fervent wasp]

I don't personally like elmos

[strong cave]

Run it with riot foam and sticky bomb, so fun 🤣

[fervent wasp]

I believe it

Alright, well thank you guys, I will consider your advice

[strong cave]

Better than it? No. But, there's other good exotics for different builds

[versed summit]

f2000 or Famas are great

[fervent wasp]

Yeah alright

[onyx sage]

also exotics do not mean good

[strong cave]

Famas > F2000 change my mind

[fervent wasp]

Trying to get my expertise up, and I don't really want to use the same weapon all the time (besides Scorpio)

[onyx sage]

if you're thinking the best builds must have one, not really

[strong cave]

^

[wise swallow]

eagle bearer

[fervent wasp]

Don't have it sadly

I never play raids and have had little luck with caches

[wise swallow]

shame you dont have the best and most powerful AR to ever exist within division 2

[fervent wasp]

I understand, but I feel like I'm missing out if I don't at least use one, at least for gear.

But I could see situations were no exotics are better

[onyx sage]

they each have a purpose and a value add

if they don't fit in your build, they just don't

[fervent wasp]

Got it

[onyx sage]

usually, they are though

[strong cave]

Ninjabike for pve in a nutshell:

[fervent wasp]

This build is also the first time I've actually made a real build before

[fervent wasp]

I used to swear by that before I actually knocked some sense into myself

[onyx sage]

catharsis also

[strong cave]

For your first time, that's not bad actually. I've made worse 💀💀 all blue... Was confused why I did no damage at all and people would melt enemies

[onyx sage]

but yeah feel free to ask here for advice

division school is free here

[strong cave]

Ah the joy of discovering div 2 back in 2022... I miss those clueless fun days

[fervent wasp]

I mean this is my first like "I need to consider what gear goes well together" before it was just "oo that does damage let me use it"

[fervent wasp]

Thank you

[onyx sage]

yeah a step after that is you have people asking "is fenris better than ceska"

and we have to explain how damage works a little bit

[fervent wasp]

I actually was using fenris before I got my ceska

I saw that I liked ceska more

Just did more damage (I think it did, felt like it did more)

[strong cave]

Yup that sounds EXACTLY like how I started out. My biggest piece of advice is just watch a few build videos, but don't follow their exact template. Use build tool, come up with your version and use what would best fit in each slot. Before you know it, build theory will be second nature to you

[onyx sage]

it's the better choice yeah if you run more reds

ceska in pve is stronger

[fervent wasp]

Thank you pal

[fervent wasp]

Yeah I exclusively play pve

Rarely touch dz and never conflict

[onyx sage]

yeah then that simplifies a lot of your build decisions

you'll learn those ground rules in no time, like crit brands > weapon damage brands in crit builds, like weapon damage brands > headshot damage brands in headhunter builds, etc.

[strong cave]

Dark Zone basically just run crit builds but instead of weapon cores, just run armor cores. Conflict, yeah it's not for everyone. Still fun tho :D

[fervent wasp]

Thank you guys

Gonna finalize this and then try a skill/damage build

But for following no guide and just kinda using my knowledge of the game I think I made an alright build

I'll post here if I ever need advice, thank you

[strong cave]

It's way better than a good 80% of the playerbase I've seen... People out here really taking 6 pieces of aegis 🗿🗿

At that point a 5.11 build would be better

[fervent wasp]

Lol

Imo, the newer gear sets and brands are jokes, same with most of the exotics

[onyx sage]

you are correct

[fervent wasp]

I would never run rugged gauntlets unless I actually would like to torture myself

[strong cave]

Aegis is hot garbage. Mosquito is a gag. Ouroboros is such a nice gun but the talent is pure ass. Coulda been way better imo

[fervent wasp]

Oro is only a good gun, not an exotic

[strong cave]

Literally the only reason I use Ouroboros is because of the crit mods and the rate of fire. Made vectors obsolete

Lady death needs a buff in my opinion. Give it 40 rounds and I'll be happy. 33 isn't enough