td2-build-advice

[cinder rock]

hey guys, got this famas 2010. is it ok?

[versed summit]

It's ok for now, you can recalibrate the talent off. Eventually you want one with the third attribute of Damage to Targets out of Cover though.

[cinder rock]

ah, knew my luck wasnt that good. thanks

what talent would you use?

[versed summit]

depends on the build. Strained/Optimist or Fast hands are good talents.

[dreamy valve]

I thought strained would be better for lower rpm guns

[hexed steppe]

strained is even good on vectors

[dreamy valve]

Oh really

And Optimist for smaller mag capacity guns

[hexed steppe]

if all blue cores, optimist would probably be more damage tho

[dreamy valve]

So strained is better than fast hands on a vector?

[onyx sage]

strained isn't as black and white as "high rpm = good, low rpm = bad"

[dreamy valve]

Can you explain why

[onyx sage]

you need to see how much crit dmg strained adds

usually it's around 30% crit damage over the mag

and that's enough to land it in the above average tier

[dreamy valve]

In the case of Vector would the extra crit damage compensate for the faster reload from fast hands

[onyx sage]

they add 2 different things

can't really compare

strained gives you more burst, fast hands give you more sustained

although, most fights favor burst

[dreamy valve]

It comes down to ttk doesn’t it

[onyx sage]

ye

[dreamy valve]

Both need to arrive at that point

[onyx sage]

visualize it by the number of enemies you need to kill

if your fight is going to be so prolonged then fast hands is going to make more sense, but not in this game

[hexed steppe]

when in doubt, just throw measured on it /s

[onyx sage]

usually having enough burst damage just ends the fight quicker

[dreamy valve]

I’m picturing my self soloing 5 rogue agents

[onyx sage]

you can even do headhunter on them

and you don't really think of headhunter when you think of sustained dmg

see what I'm talking about?

[dreamy valve]

In the small medical room in the Pernell’s mission

[onyx sage]

still solvable with hh

my point basically is almost anything you get into can be solved with more burst damage than more sustained

[dreamy valve]

In the case of Fast hands vs strained, I think I’ll pick fast hands

[onyx sage]

which is fine yeah, most people are more comfy with it

vector is really lacking in sustained more than burst

[dreamy valve]

I’m so want to see a success rate of the average player in that scenario using HH

You have 5 rogue agents throwing out all their skill toys while flanking you in a room that’s no more than 20 meters large

[onyx sage]

if you get up close to them they change their behavior

[dreamy valve]

Guess depends on the HH build, but can still be tricky with full red

If they have assault turrets and turret snipers you really don’t want your be out in the open at close range

Coupled with full directives

[onyx sage]

i mean directives aren't that fair

but again if you're up against their face they ignore everything else and try to reposition while shooting you or melee you

it's what you do in descent anyway

[dreamy valve]

It’s usually on in games, so you need to factor them in

[onyx sage]

yeah but you're also giving a quite unlikely situation lol

how many players are going to deal with 5 rogue agents without their teammates or solo zoo with full red

[surreal depot]

is this division school

how i sign up

[onyx sage]

not the average player of course

[dreamy valve]

You are dealing with them cause everyone else is dead

[onyx sage]

the average player would leave the team because why are they in a team so incompetent to die in a NY mission

lol

[dreamy valve]

That’s been the pug experience isn’t it

[surreal depot]

is this personal

i died 3 times in manhunt mission

[onyx sage]

it's personal in capitol because

i got in a team with 3 skill builds

and they all just stay in the back

it's a snoozefest

[dreamy valve]

Forget about manhunt missions with pug

Maybe the newest one isn’t so bad surprisingly

[cyan drift]

I think I died in Birdie's manhunt mission four times because the game kept breaking

1. Got sniped through a bulwark shield while looking right at her (hit my hand I guess, idk)
2. Hurdled a wall and fell through the map
3. DELTA (reset the bounty)
4. She never spawned in

[devout agate]

How do I make a bighorn armor regen build with catharsis

[urban latch]

Exact same as an eagle bearer build with catharsis

[wise swallow]

hes a broken record at this point

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic pilot]

I tried my best

[wise swallow]

I think every person in this server who does anything PVP related has recommend a big horn build with cath at this point

[shy willow]

Needs pristine aim though

I ain't allat

[tulip charm]

Yeah Like i get why its strong but you should always have the basics down with a simple crit build

Hsd builds have a higher skill ceiling which is cool

[wise swallow]

I mean hes only asked for a crit build like 44 times so he should have it by now

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise swallow]

just more flexible really

with current shield meta tho HSD builds can be extremely annoying

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

How would you deal with spotter user 20-30 meters away?

[wise swallow]

nemesis on any build
having a hotshot person in your group
tight hallways

leaving the DZ

[gentle lichen]

I mean when you're a HSD bighorn user

[wise swallow]

nemy

[tulip charm]

💀

[gentle lichen]

Logical answer

[wise swallow]

byeah nemmy realistically or tight hallways

[gentle lichen]

The thing about HSD is the ability to spec into hazpro/regen without suffering too much damage unlike crit

[wise swallow]

unless your playing conflict and cant swap gear but thats on you for playing that shit fest and expecting good things

[wise swallow]

yea, more flexible without losing much

[gentle lichen]

But honestly on a 1 on 1 same skill i see crit winning

[wise swallow]

crit does win. higher DPS but its small

and even tho id love to stroke my massive ego and say I can hit headshots consistently, Crit is just better overall even if you hit all heads

[gentle lichen]

Only thing i genuinely see HSD consistently dumping on everything else is the regulus HSD

[wise swallow]

well yea regulus just fucks everyone

nothing you can do against that

thats a leave the DZ moment

[tulip charm]

Actually what can you actually do

Just run a skill build?

[gentle lichen]

Holding corner with left hand peek

[wise swallow]

Leave the DZ as mentioned

[tulip charm]

So there’s no hard counter to it I see

[gentle lichen]

Crit regulus lol

[tulip charm]

🫠

[wise swallow]

besides status but good luck getting a fireshot before someone left hand peaks you and oblierates your entire 4 stack with 1 shot

[wise swallow]

I fucking hate it

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't help that your teammates actively kill you as well due to regulus

[tulip charm]

Can’t a mortar/explosives nuke reg or its not worth it

[gentle lichen]

You can but cavalier exists within a team

[wise swallow]

ok those guys are shit lmao

[wise swallow]

reg is a portable mortar

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise swallow]

you cannot counter a portable mortar with a stationary one

[tulip charm]

Tbh if anyone is running cav then thats 90% a 3/4 man and its better to leave

[wise swallow]

Its very hard to actually counter a regulus sheild build. You basically just gotta pray you can all 4 rush at once and get close, then pray he doesnt get away before hes dead

[gentle lichen]

You really just go from corner to corner

[tulip charm]

1.1 crit - 1.4 crit hs is funny

[gentle lichen]

They'd wait for you to push so they can deliver a double barrel to the face too lol

[tulip charm]

So whats the typical reg build. Pgc/vig or full blue hs haz

[magic pilot]

Assuming 100% accuracy speccing for hsd would do more dps but sadly average hsd rate is like 10%

[wise swallow]

nah I have 100% accuracy trust

[wise swallow]

dont need PGC

shield with adrush intim 1.5 mill armour all HSD will do 1.5-1.6mill

vigi works too

[tulip charm]

Good I might build one for when I start solo queing conflict

[wise swallow]

mhmm

[gentle lichen]

That's the average one you'll find

[wise swallow]

PC will typicaly be higher armour but yea same concept

you can do the regen ones too

those do like 800-1mill

[magic pilot]

High armor regen builds with intimidate

Oni does that on ps

Top dz player

[gentle lichen]

Grouped up with him lol

2 pistols locking door on invaded

[tulip charm]

O

[wise swallow]

theres a million ways you can run it. I see the regen ones more often in dz as oppose to conflict

but uhh

dont use regulus

stupid cheese gun have some morals

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle lichen]

Funny you say that the dz has morals

[tulip charm]

Oh thoughts claws out instead picaros for the 9% pistol dmg or is 15% wd stronger in pvp

[magic pilot]

Had to be fun

His team usually runs shotgun or AR catharsis

[patent fossil]

Pistol damage and weapon damage both add to the same pool, so 15% is better

[heavy magnet]

Hi, I'm looking for a build to do heroic checkpoints and 4 directives, a build to recommend?

[patent fossil]

if you don't mind occasionally having to aim for the head, hotshot determined headhunter sniper build is a pretty quick & easy directive-proof one - check the pinned spreadsheet for more details

[opal peak]

what's the name of that build in the spreadsheet ? i searched with a few keyword from the name you mentionned but i don't find such build.

[patent fossil]

I'm not in a position to check now but likely Hotshot or Sniper

[opal peak]

Sniper Setups (Y5 S2) maybe ?

ah yes this is the one

[patent fossil]

It's basically just 4pc hotshot with Chainkiller named chest and airaldi vigilance backpack, headshot damage on all minor attributes and a good sniper (eg SR-1) with the Determined talent

If sniping isn't you're style check some of the other builds there like strikers and negotiators

[opal peak]

yeah i have both of those, but i got interested in sniping lately and your message just reminded me that i should make a build to test out that particular playstyle

i got a M700 with perfect rolled MMR damage / HS damage / Dootc, so i can just slap determined as talent and that should do nicely ?

[onyx sage]

ye

[opal peak]

great thanks, well now i have to farm a bit for some of that gear hehe

[winged vector]

Anyone have an idea wich talent I should drop on this Vector? I bought it from the DZ south vendor, I allready have a AR with Strained

I was thinking about in sync or Flatline, but I don’t run much with Pulse

[versed summit]

Depends on the build, but generally fast hands would be my choice on a vector.

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwFgtATGDMlwDGRympegXMAHHWUoBWATjTPXIxFylmDmGCgpcpHtBgXJ9fioBsYEIny9xLDDS7MJc-jmGQA7GCaRRQ5aUkR4UcBFU0UyobpB1CYIdcUD6xWZmUZVfNBgj0IuaEOgdciA

^^ running this wicked/ridgeways build in dz and conflict, works great. However tho, would it be better if I used a grupo backpack since all anarchist cookbook does is increase the damage timer by a few extra seconds??

(watch levels are set to 0 so I can look at my CHC/CHD stats accurately)

[magic pilot]

Fenris mask, grupo bp

[strong cave]

I was thinking fenris as well but in a pinch I do use the MP7. I chose gila bc I get a tiny bit more armor and I also don't have a fenris mask yet

Gila was sitting on my stash with max armor/crit chance so I slapped on crit damage

I might honestly go walker/Harris mask for 5% damage boost to both guns instead of favoring the AR over the SMG

[versed summit]

Could rotate ceska to mask and use an Improvised piece.

[magic pilot]

True

[dreamy valve]

Now to figure out a rifle build for next season

[gentle lichen]

Gearset isn't great by any means

Only use for it is honestly the reload on switch

[tulip charm]

I've hear its good if you want to min max headhunter

but its meh

[dreamy valve]

I might try out the brand set

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus You're looking for #lfg-pc

[dreamy valve]

If it’s all a wash, I’ll try out a headshot bighorn build

[magic pilot]

Doesn't it work with mmr again too?

[dreamy valve]

it does?

[versed summit]

I believe it does.

[fair dragon]

As far as gimmicks go, this talent is the most gimmicky of all gimmicky talents out of all games with gimmicky talents/abilities

Even surpassing Borderlands 3

[devout agate]

Is this good?

[magic pilot]

If you have a good matador I'd run that and 2 Golan

[devout agate]

That’s better than this?

[wise swallow]

no hes just saying it for funsies

[magic pilot]

Matador is an extra almost 40k armor per stack

[wise swallow]

uhh actually its 36,704 more armour per stack

[onyx sage]

🤓

[shy willow]

You get like 600k more at the top end but lose all your handling

Min maxxing

[devout agate]

How much headshot damage should I be around with this build

I’m around 155% rn

[wise swallow]

base is 45 or 55 + 35 from attachment
50 from gear 30 from mods
watch is 10

170

thats max

155 is pretty good

oh wait

emp doesnt have HSD

160 is max then

I cant remember if HSD is 55 or 45 so its either 160 or 170

either way 155 is pretty good

[devout agate]

Alright

How much armor regen should I be sitting at

[devout agate]

I’m currently around 109k

Some of my armor regen isn’t fully optimized

[shy willow]

Bighorn stacks 100 percent hsd or so as well

[wise swallow]

whatever its at. its % based so itll be whatever value it is

[wise swallow]

50*

[shy willow]

Oh shit

[wise swallow]

or wait

[hazy steeple]

% based stats really do sound so much more impressive than they are.

[devout agate]

I thought it was 100 at max stacks

[wise swallow]

its 100 in PVE

check what PVP is cuz I thought it was lower

[shy willow]

Ohh it gets PvP adjusted

[devout agate]

Oh I’m at 100k regen

Nvm

[wise swallow]

it is 100% in PVP too naval was right

[devout agate]

ok

So I’ll be at 255% headshot dmg

[wise swallow]

so yea, dont worry about 10-15% optimizations after stacking that 10-15% HSD is making a tiny tiny difference

your better off having WD stuff

like walker, pic, fenris

[devout agate]

Does the pistol that gives +50% headshot dmg and stacks two times good?

[wise swallow]

which one?

[devout agate]

I forgot the name but it’s a named pistol

I’ll check real quick

[devout agate]

Mozambique special

[wise swallow]

its not worth using

use orbit

breadbasket only works for the pistol doesnt continue when swapping

[devout agate]

Oh

[hazy steeple]

Mozam my beloved.
yeah it's great as a primary with Pistolero, but Odder is right.

[tulip charm]

Bigger numbers make my brain tingle 🗿

[devout agate]

Does orbit continue when swapping

[wise swallow]

orbits entire talent is based off swaping

[devout agate]

ok

[hazy steeple]

for the record, here's Orbit's version of the talent

Swapping from this weapon within 10 seconds of killing an enemy grants 35% critical hit chance and 40% critical hit damage for 15 seconds."```

[devout agate]

if I down a player does it start the 10 seconds or is it when the player is completely dead

[wise swallow]

kill something (anything decoy, drone, any skill) you got 10 seconds to swap and you get the above buffs for 15

[wise swallow]

you gotta down him WITH the pistol, then kill him completely.

[tulip charm]

Reg> Backup Boomstick > Any pistol for pvp imo

[wise swallow]

proc it off drones or decoys or something

[hazy steeple]

I'm not a pvp person, but wouldn't Kard have some use?

[devout agate]

I think you have to have the pistol out for the skill tier

[hazy steeple]

....I'm aware.

[devout agate]

I’m not sure

[wise swallow]

not really, your never really just wipping your pistol out

[devout agate]

Well idk then

[wise swallow]

its good for skill builds but not his build

[devout agate]

So it starts as soon as I down them

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure you have to down him and kill to proc iirc

[wise swallow]

reg wont work here.
backup boom is fine too personally like orbit more cuz the reload sound is cool but doesnt really matter

[wise swallow]

^

[devout agate]

Alright

Idk how I’m gonna pull it off in pvp

[wise swallow]

actually

[devout agate]

But I’ll try

[wise swallow]

keep a D50 as your secondary

[devout agate]

That a shotgun?

[wise swallow]

deagle

[devout agate]

Why?

[wise swallow]

itll probably hit for 500k on that build. good for finishing people off and procing normal finisher

if you gotta reload wip it out and blast em

itll do more dmg then orbit and you might actually kill someone with it

[devout agate]

In pvp?

[wise swallow]

yea

pistols are stronk lmao

[devout agate]

I’m still confused

What’s so special about the D50

Does it just have high damage

[wise swallow]

highest base dmg

[devout agate]

Ohhh ok

[wise swallow]

besides reg

[devout agate]

so replace it for orbit?

[devout agate]

500k per headshot?

[wise swallow]

yes

[wise swallow]

somewhere around there yea

[devout agate]

So normal finisher on it?

Hold on

[devout agate]

Would liberty be any good with the build or no

[tulip charm]

No

[wise swallow]

besides the fact that you cant use it

[devout agate]

Oh

I forgot

[devout agate]

Could I use the same build but get rid of bighorn for regulus and use dodge city?

Would that be any good or no

[magic pilot]

I use it with sledge

[magic pilot]

Timer starts when you swap

[wise swallow]

he talking about the swap timer not buff timer

[magic pilot]

No timer on swap

[wise swallow]

Dodge is overkill in PVP

[magic pilot]

Doesn't work

Only 10% dmg

[wise swallow]

oh lmao

so still useless

[devout agate]

Alright

[dire halo]

Any know what pistol has the fastest rpm?

Excluding 93R

[hazy steeple]

Fire-rate of the 93-r is 1100.
the next closest pistol is x-45 at 400, which is shared by the Busy Little Bee exotic.

[gentle lichen]

Just for Headshot on body
But that's for a dedicated pistol build

[dry zealot]

what specialization/skills to run on a 1886determined build? i dont want to watch 17min clips for 5secs of useful info

1886determined, BoomStick, Regulus
PunchDrunk, ChainKiller, DodgeCity, TheGift, Contractors, FoxPrayers

[versed summit]

Sharpshooter will give you some rifle bonuses. You could also run gunner for AOK.

[tulip charm]

What?

[dry zealot]

made changes - been playing with a ninjaHotshotBuild for quite some a while:
HSD only needs to be above 150%, most Enemies who survive the snipershot are left with 1-2%
*
removed punchdrunk (no useful brand bonus) -10headshotDmg (still 200hsd total)
removed contractors (no useful brand bonus) -8 dmg2Armor
added WALKER mask +5 dmg2Armor
added WALKER gloves +5 healthdmg

basically traded 3dmg2Armor for 5healthdmg

next i am gonna go down in hsd for weapHandlingcause reload and accuracy/stability could use improvment

[onyx sage]

@ancient dune pls help this man with his ninja HH

[patent fossil]

You've almost got a meta HE regulus build there, maybe just go all in on that? Playstyle is a bit trickier but will really speed things up if you get the hang of it.

in which case you'd probably want either bulwark shield + artificer hive for survivability (so tech spec) or firewall shield for more close-range damage

[tulip charm]

wait

[shy willow]

Ninja HH😭

[tulip charm]

Health dmg is kinda useless for hh no?

[tulip charm]

Not sure why arent you running a hotshot piece then

[versed summit]

I think it's 3 hotshot already lol

[tulip charm]

oh

[shy willow]

if man really wants to use ninja just throw on hotshot Habsburg and airaldi or something

no vigi suckss though

[tulip charm]

yeah

3 p walker bonus sucks when you get more vaule from has or air

[ancient dune]

im retired

[onyx sage]

so am i

[dry zealot]

the 1886build is just a fun build i put together out of curiosity, (some1 on reddit posted a build wiuth lots of named items)

i already run a 357hsd ninjabuild which is think the nicest sniperbuild to play as it remains challenging:
whiteDeath, 2Hotspot Mask&Kneepads, ninjaBP, ChainKillerVest, Habsburg holster, airaldi gloves

3hotspot+ninja is too easy...

[placid sundial]

Is frenzy an lmg talent only or can it be on smg and assault weapons too

[versed summit]

just LMGs

[placid sundial]

Appreciate it

[magic pilot]

I've been trying to get a frenzy lmg build for PvP

It's a pain trying to play off it

[scarlet crypt]

Is there a good build for running heroic with pistolero directive in a co-op group without relying on exotics that I probably don't have? Every once in a while I answer a backup call and it's heroic pistolero and I have to leave because I just don't have anything put together that can handle that combo

[wise swallow]

has it worked yet

like been effective

[vestal ibex]

I just use a D50 on whatever build. It's not too hard to get a pistol kill or rock gunner. You could also use a sniper build and sit if cover for 20 seconds then every 10 seconds after it'll give you MMR/rifle ammo. Just stop shooting enemies and finish them with a pistol and pisolero is easy.

[scarlet crypt]

Is it possible to switch specializations without travelling to base of operations? I don't typically run sharpshooter so I'd have to switch to it quickly

[wise swallow]

loadouts are the only way afaik

[scarlet crypt]

hmm I didn't realize loadouts could make specialization switchable

[wise swallow]

well its not really switchable, you just have a variation of the smae build with a different spec

you have to be out of combat

[scarlet crypt]

Anyhow thanks for the tips. D50 and switch to pistol for the kill. Sharpshooter for more ammo faster

I can usually get away with getting out of combat long enough to switch loadouts

[magic pilot]

When I plan my reloads out right yea

[wise swallow]

gib build

L85?

[magic pilot]

MG5

I was using it with umbra, contractors, ceska bp with vigi

[wise swallow]

what the tuna

[magic pilot]

3 blue

Frenzy is better the bigger mag

[wise swallow]

Mg5 better then l85?

[wise swallow]

how anoying is dumping the mag before someone pushes you

[wise swallow]

me try

do you use fenris or whatever instead of contractors for conflict or do you still hit chc cap

[versed summit]

well you wouldn't use fenris for an LMG lol

[wise swallow]

uhhh yea you know what i mean lol

[versed summit]

with Umbra & ceska, and since you're not wasting the damage from Contractor's. it should be fine?

[wise swallow]

ig after buff losing like 12% CHD doesnt matter

[versed summit]

you can get 20% CHC with the MG5 too, not sure which one he's using tho

[wise swallow]

im gonna use L85 but

oh yea L85 still hits cap

only need 1 mod

[scarlet crypt]

there is a chc cap? what is that cap

[wise swallow]

60

[scarlet crypt]

oh nice yeah I'm not close

[vestal ibex]

While in the stats tab you can click on your CHC stat and see what it is as well as the cap shown on the right side.

[scarlet crypt]

good to know thx

I keep forgetting that stats page is there

[wise swallow]

this is GOOOD

crits for like 160k in conflict at 1300 RPM

[tulip charm]

damn must be fun dumping 100 rounds in 2 sec

[wise swallow]

with full blue

no vigi either

[tulip charm]

wait you made one?

[wise swallow]

yea

im using it rn

its not even fully optimized

shits crazy

[solar sable]

what was the build again?

[wise swallow]

CHC on the MG5

even without frenzy it hits pretty damn hard

and huge mag. I like it

[magic pilot]

I do it at the start of the match

[magic pilot]

Still hit the cap

[wise swallow]

yea

[wise swallow]

its so weird running around with 15 bullets in my gun

I keep reloading by accident lol

[magic pilot]

Lmao run with 2 of them

[wise swallow]

fuck me I spent like 2k steel crafting this one

my lazy ass is not farming

[magic pilot]

Is mg5 the best big mag lmg?

That's what I was using since I had a godrolled one in the stash

[wise swallow]

its either that or negev

[magic pilot]

MG5 that's missing a mod slot is the highest burst

Then infantry mg5

[magic pilot]

How come gunner? Bigger mag?

[wise swallow]

maybe one of the slower firerate ones?

[wise swallow]

its only 50 if no gunner

might aswell use l85

[versed summit]

you get the +35 without gunner

[wise swallow]

I either dont have it or Mg5 dont get it

[versed summit]

TBH I'd still say the RPK is a good shout.

[versed summit]

there's no way

[wise swallow]

I dont see how I wouldnt have it

[magic pilot]

It does take the mag

[wise swallow]

are you fucking kidding me

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[wise swallow]

I am shd 1300 and i dont have it

[magic pilot]

Check how many control points you've done real fast

[wise swallow]

how

oh no I have it

I just havent crafted it

[versed summit]

bro gtfo

[magic pilot]

It's under leaderboards btw

How did you not craft it🤣

[wise swallow]

close call I was bouta have a temper tantrum

you do lose 2 frenzy stacks tho

[wise swallow]

I have like 20 gun mods not crafted

[magic pilot]

Yea but can you get through 100 rounds?

[wise swallow]

I only make the good ones lol

[magic pilot]

I think I was using Negev because I had 100 rounds default

[wise swallow]

yea negev might be better

well 45.1k and 850 RPM
vs 51.9k and 800 RPM

[versed summit]

can always take ROF mag?

[wise swallow]

I would use reload speed

but yea

[versed summit]

well that's fair too

[wise swallow]

time to craft a shit ton of negevs

good enough

crafting >farming

[magic pilot]

Negev has 10% chd mag, 5% rof mag or 20% reload speed mag

Not sure what ends up being best with umbra and using frenzy

Already have a ton of chd and rof bonuses

[wise swallow]

I use reload speed

reloading has fucked me like 4 times but this is actually fun

[magic pilot]

Definitely takes awhile to get used to

Using lengmo build would be a lot easier to learn how to play frenzy but umbra is better at the top end

Unhinged probably really good too

[wise swallow]

what is unhinged again

[wise swallow]

yea might be good, these guns dont have enough recoil

its throwing me off

im aiming at head and 10 rounds in im shooting their dicks off

[versed summit]

yeah IIRC RPM helps the recoil a bit.

[magic pilot]

-18% wd on full blue is nuts

[wise swallow]

what is P unhinged on

m249 RIP

[magic pilot]

Yea not worth lol

Lengmo is 30, contractors is 10, Picaros is 15 and 18 from unhinged, 7.5 from spec

80.5 WD while full blue

[wise swallow]

umbra really worth it ig

[magic pilot]

Umbra still stronger with full buff

High end is just convenient

New brandset has 15% magsize for 1pc could be useful in pvp

[wise swallow]

with unhinged i mean

probably better then trying to play frenzy

[magic pilot]

Yea you could try that too

Frenzy just seems stupid strong when you play it well

[wise swallow]

its just really damn hard to play well

it does shred tho

[dreamy valve]

What do you guys think of Brazen talent

[onyx sage]

need to test once it goes live but just from reading it it's pretty good

[versed summit]

People keep saying it’s worse flatline but considering that flatline needs, id say the loss of the striker shield being a huge caveat there, it’s pretty good with the other talents. At least for situations where pummel isn’t relevant.

[spring wraith]

Is a Carbine 7 with damage to targets out of cover and Optimist talent a good roll or should I keep looking? Same question for a FAMAS 2010 with damage to armor instead of DtTooC

[versed summit]

Neither are optimal, but they’re fine.

[spring wraith]

what would be optimal?

[devout agate]

@wise swallow

[versed summit]

Whether you should keep looking depends how much you’re trying to min max atm

[versed summit]

FAMAS or F2000 with DTOC. Talent depends on the build.

[devout agate]

This good?

I’m at 50% CHC and 150% CHD

[spring wraith]

I see, im trying to scrap together a raid build. I think ill keep the FAMAS I have as is for now then grind for the god roll later

[versed summit]

Yeah you should be fine with what you have. I’d recommend strained for that build btw

[noble dirge]

If only I had a non backpack, named BA gear piece for my True Patriot and NinjaBike backpack build

Using a non-named BA piece just doesn't feel right.

[devout agate]

Is this good for pvp?

Or should i change anything

Everything is CHC and CHD

[solar sable]

just wait for Odder since you at him already

[devout agate]

Yea

[noble dirge]

Other than decoy and turrets, is there anything else an Artificer Hive enhances?

[magic pilot]

Chem, drone, seekers

[junior surge]

shield

[noble dirge]

They boost Chem launchers? Can I use a Hive to boost myself?

[magic pilot]

Yes

Fire chem it doesn't do much but it's great for oxi

[onyx sage]

don't let me cook

[solar sable]

another legendary is about to get destroyed

[wise swallow]

Good, I would use fire sticky instead of the drone or decoy.

If you dont have a coyote already in your group swap the ceska piece of coyote and swap the groupo gloves for ceska ones

[devout agate]

I kind of want to use catharsis

How would I build for that

Replace mask with catharsis gloves to ceska and gruppo knees?

[wise swallow]

well you dont.
but youd just not use coyote and use catharsis

[wise swallow]

foxes still better then groupo

[devout agate]

Oh

[wise swallow]

unless your far from CHC cap for whatever reason

[devout agate]

I’m at 50

[wise swallow]

with catharsis?

[devout agate]

With this

[wise swallow]

what how

[devout agate]

No

Without catharsis

[wise swallow]

you should be at 54

[devout agate]

I’m not max shd yet

[wise swallow]

eh ig thats fine

so youll be at 44 with catharsis. yea use groupo instead of foxes.

[devout agate]

And switch ceska for gloves?

[wise swallow]

yea

[devout agate]

alright

Would it be better to use shield splinter or the famas

[tulip charm]

Both good

[wise swallow]

either

[past dust]

hi guys, what build is good to run with st elmos? my builds are at least a year old now

[solar sable]

4pc striker, ceska chest with Obliterate and Coyote's
that's a basic setup

[past dust]

okay thanks

[magic pilot]

PvP build lol

[dull ermine]

Is catharsis affected by incoming repairs

[magic pilot]

No

[dull ermine]

So what’s up with the incoming repairs on it

[magic pilot]

Well the last time I worked for massive I decided to put in on there

[onyx sage]

massive, in their infinite wisdom

wait no, ubi bucharest*

[onyx sage]

i'm just gonna do pve with it

[magic pilot]

Ik but it would work in PvP

[onyx sage]

obliterate in pvp?

[wise swallow]

Efficient > everyother talent no matter what

[tulip charm]

Even unbreakable?

Actually that makes alot of sense considering how broken firewall medkit is

[stiff jasper]

firewall kit is good, but that is different build logic, doesn't matter about firewall or not

nowadays you can double tap to gain 25% heal instantly with 5 second cooldown, so basically it is equal 5% armor regen per second

but kit still consume if you dont have efficient

it would benefit a lot to those build which don't have any regen, for example like striker

[tawdry flare]

efficient with 5.11

[tawdry flare]

wont perfect efficient be a better one since we need regen as well

[halcyon gyro]

What are the gear names?

[signal pivot]

How are some peoples' set items blue? mine are green

[onyx sage]

4p striker, belstone chest, catharsis

[onyx sage]

colorblind setting

[strong cave]

For my next build, I present: armor on kill build-

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwNgtAzGBMYIwzABmal62aQLmMTCscEGpiZ6uKsUhYALPVsxdgJySoIUsvb0ooKbrx6lsEDkPijZlaNADsDMCA74Mijq2gQAHCrbK4wBCdrAiwJqzjRwTYMo2qbfEBKYh8ihGr7GZmLIQA

Who needs gear set talents when you can use ninjabike asspack? 🤠

[hexed steppe]

Also, who needs a mask

[tawdry flare]

Ninja bike with 5.11 the best combo

[strong cave]

Truth 🤯🤯

[cyan drift]

countdown vendor this week, btw

[flint wave]

headhunter players can finally flex with this one simple purchase

[dull ermine]

Alright so for real, what’s up with incoming repairs on catharsis and does that incoming repairs work on catharsis?

Is catharsis not affected by incoming repair stats or mods externally ?

[onyx sage]

yeah no incoming repairs doesn't work with the talent at all

[hazy steeple]

Catharsis Talent:
"Taking damage builds stacks to a cap of 30. Each stack grants 1% Weapon Damage. Taking damage at max stacks triggers a purge, removing all stacks and Status Effects and then dropping a healing cloud which restores 5% of Max Armor for 10s to all allies in the cloud. "

[onyx sage]

as a refresher, incoming repairs only applies to healing via skills

they went out of their way to make it an actual stat on a gear piece, only for it to not work. don't ask me why

well it works if someone heals you :p

[dull ermine]

These specimens I tell you

Alr tldr im making a tank build for control room / for changing things up thats similar to the foundry build

[vestal ibex]

Just don't break glass?

[dull ermine]

It’s for hot foot

You kind of want glass broken lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah for a thing not mentioned...

[dull ermine]

Unless you want to deal with chasing after a purple for 20 minutes

[vestal ibex]

If you leave out details that's on you.

[dull ermine]

Eh don’t oversimplify for the sake of doing it

[vestal ibex]

When you run ih raids how do you do morazova?

[dull ermine]

lol you already know it’s basically the community of PlayStation that does it that way… either normal, baby faraday in the middle, baby faraday but people go back to doors (1 rocket person goes for stagger) (the other goes for chungas or helps the door struggling with ads) - ignore bullet if we are good on time.

[urban latch]

Always break glass

[gentle lichen]

What's the average clear time?

[dull ermine]

You’re asking the wrong person lol, most people it’s 1 hr, mine sub 1:40 with explanations

1:20 to 1:40… occasional shit show… 2 hrs…

[vestal ibex]

I don't wanna....

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i suppose so i guess FTCs affect the clear time too

[vestal ibex]

idk explaining everything to FTCs is just a waste imo.

[dull ermine]

Yea buts usually people not knowing the timing of jack anything and they think red circles at their feet are healing circles

[gentle lichen]

Most if not all FTCs are there for the exotics not the mechanics and intricacies of the raid

Me included to be honest

[dull ermine]

Morozova is the only place I have issue with really some door guy is just sitting in one spot getting shot by the rusher and mortars (iM nOt dYinG sO I DoNt kNow wHy yOuRe telLinG mE tO mOvE)

Literally the other night, this guy sat in the same spot, ate all mortars and never died because my hive healed him every time lol

I’ve shortened my explanations down but I personally don’t have a group I run with im mostly LFG

[gentle lichen]

Recipe for disaster if you ask me

[dull ermine]

2 things I don’t like — LFG groups … raid lead will force a method to work instead of changing / adapting. (Whole purpose of why I come up with new builds and strategies that work for me)

Also they use cringy Strats that work in their clan and force it in LFG

If someone tells me to overcharge at 4th mortar and tells rocket person to throw hives in again I’m deleting the game lol

Tell me how it’s possible for a healer to overcharge 5 times before 3rd phase 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Don't really need OC even.

[urban latch]

It's not for the control room or the tank inside, it's for whoever is guarding upstairs to free them up to go wherever.

[dull ermine]

You could also let glass break and run no one on power, sometimes I use it if there’s too much inexperience or short man. Basically tank never steps out, stays to back of airlock and uses scope to read code

[vestal ibex]

But I'm bored being healer so I'll dps and take care of them myself.

[dull ermine]

Shoot out the lights upstairs that will make it more fun

[onyx sage]

we do a little trolling

[vestal ibex]

Oh man the hall way in DH after buddy lucy is the best.

[dull ermine]

Dark control room is so soothing

[urban latch]

Wait what do you mean by this? Is this related to faraday?

[urban latch]

Here's the secret, its not actually working in their clan either

[dull ermine]

Basically someone asked to tank, told me the healer to overcharge when 4th mortar went down, both rocket people throw hives in and the tank throws sniper turret in

Blah blah blah their method fails and they blame me for not healing enough

Too insistent I overcharge at the 2nd mortar and basically overcharge 5 times before key phase

[urban latch]

So they are trying to get 7 charge revive hives placed inside?

[dull ermine]

Yup… without 2 tanks or technician (just tank tech)

And it’s faraday

[urban latch]

And your trying to faraday with 1 healer and 1 tank....

[dull ermine]

Well it’s not up to me really, I generally am successful running it that way because I know my tank / healer. So long as everyone goes in as they’re told to we have it under control.

If I know someone else in the raid I’ll ask if they can do stagger tank

It’s just the way the community runs, not much I can do to change it when it’s all LFG

[urban latch]

And your then gathering by sandbags at the end and getting constantly wreaked by mortars?

[dull ermine]

Not necessarily… if right door pulls to the right, left door pulls to the left you don’t really get spammed that much

Decoys are for Morozova and green laser guns

[urban latch]

So.... Yes?

[dull ermine]

We discussed this before lol

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Be the change you want to see...

[dull ermine]

anyways I was just saying to NB a method someone used I never want to see again lol

[urban latch]

Lol, I just hate that strategy, it's fucking awful. Only the PSN lfg community does it. 2 tanks, 1 healer for half or 2 for full. But the big thing is just go back to your phase 1 positions on the last phase. It's SOOOO much easier and smoother

But the PSN lfg community is convinced it's the way to do it...

[dull ermine]

I have a rocket person do stagger with me if I’m the healer 😂 or in my raid I have them do stagger regardless

[urban latch]

Just have a second fully dedicated tank. One with vanguard, one with tardi. It's 100% worth it

You'll still have a dps player for each rocket, 2 dps on right door, 1 DPS and healer for left door

[dull ermine]

So I do that if I can,

I specifically made a build that runs double crit armor regen for staggering and also if you stack st Elmo’s (hold shock ammo) running with perfect galvanize … if you shoot at the sniper or chunga being spawned or even a ad punishing either side it helps a lot

[urban latch]

No crit, 2 pure tanks

[dull ermine]

But the build allows me to solo rockets (ofc the galvanize is limited to foam chem at that point) rav for stagger

[dull ermine]

That’s what I say but a lot of people don’t think haz pro is needed for morozova

Then they find out she shocks

[urban latch]

Lots of people think that strategy doesn't suck complete ass

It's also for the emp inside. If your immune to emp your shield will never go down and kill your whole team

[dull ermine]

Forgive me for this one but I see a lot of people run explosive resistance

[urban latch]

The mortars will take a small chunk of armor but you can basically ignore them anyways with 0 explosive resist

PFE is a lot more valuable

[dull ermine]

So it was explained to me 30% explosive resistance prevents your shield from being broken

2 mortar hits break shield

[urban latch]

What lol

[dull ermine]

Yea idk I was looking for confirmation

[vestal ibex]

Well it's confirmed that PS community does scuff boss 4 for IH. Stagger tanks for life bro.

[tulip charm]

So I hear the ps community doesn’t run stagger?

[urban latch]

Yep

[wise swallow]

Insta kit is just too good for saving your ass. Stronger then unbreakable imo and way shorter cooldown

[wise swallow]

Well yea you use P Efficient not normal

P efficient is way way better then normal efficient

[tulip charm]

Wait so you’re saying efficient effects insta kit?

[wise swallow]

not the 100% boost part but the chance of not using kit yes

[magic pilot]

I told you it doesn't do you not believe me lol

[wise swallow]

I wouldnt either your stupid

[dull ermine]

I believed you I just needed more confirmation cause I thought you were trolling with the “I worked for massive” 😂

[wise swallow]

Sarcasm

[magic pilot]

You got way too many reactions to that

I'm hurt

[onyx sage]

it's alright, it's literally the same as [this](#td2-build-advice message)

[devout agate]

@wise swallow

Good?

[urban latch]

Without actually doing the math to confirm this, I think you can get slightly more damage swapping out the Picaros for another W&H piece

But yes, that's good

[wise swallow]

Guess a lotta people think your stupid

[wise swallow]

its good

[wise swallow]

afaik its pretty much the same

if hes low CHC sure

[urban latch]

If he was using high end guns and in the dz then Picaros would be ideal. But with EB and shield splinter, plus he's already got 1p W&H, so that second is worth it. In conflict it absolutely would be worth it

But we are taking a couple percent difference at most, it's still close

[magic pilot]

The matador is not worth using since he has 5 blues

[devout agate]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[wise swallow]

the more blues the more worth it is lol

[magic pilot]

I'd swap it out for ceska or grupo and run improvised knees or gloves

[devout agate]

I’ll farm for another matador to turn it into blue core

[devout agate]

For pvp?

[magic pilot]

No for summit

[wise swallow]

I love how he gives us so many opportunities to be sarcastic

[devout agate]

I’ll try it out after I get this build

[magic pilot]

Kills me

[jagged hare]

Is there any fun to had with an Iron Lung LMG? If so, can someone point me to a build?

[hexed steppe]

it should fit into most dps. striker probably easiest to build

[merry stone]

seen people use it in conflict the pvp mode??

[versed summit]

yes it works well there

[dull ermine]

3 pc brazos contractors, ceska, grupo

With golden bullet your enemies will have first degree burns

[jagged hare]

Literally just picked it up last night and trying to find something to run with it. Need a new build for some fun

[cyan drift]

here's a noise we weren't supposed to hear

lawnmower gun

couldn't hit anyone with it but I just wanted the noise clip

[modest palm]

funny 6 armor core, is there talent that give dmg bonus while having armor?

[solar sable]

Damn 😂

what's that build? I want to try lmgs

[wise swallow]

what gun is this

I require this build

[cyan drift]

GR9 with frenzy and gunner

2x brazos with a ninjabike and then whatever gear set you want as mask/chest/gloves

[wise swallow]

just normal umbra I assume

oh ok

[cyan drift]

for what I used yeah but strikers is better, cause strikers is always better

[wise swallow]

No no no

what firerate is that

Im gonna make a PVP build out of that

obliterate another person after finally dumping 400 rounds

[fresh grove]

It’s with golden bullet on, doesn’t work in the dz otherwise that would be broken af

[wise swallow]

how big of a mag can GR9 get tho

[fresh grove]

No idea, I’d assume with 2 piece brazos and 3 piece true patriot and a nbb It’s going to be smthing like 200 or so

[wise swallow]

base mag is 200

after brazo 300

[fresh grove]

Wait than smthing like 300 like you mentioned

[wise swallow]

30 x 3% firerate

90% firerate + 30% from umbra

what RPM is GR9?

[fresh grove]

Guesstimate 877 rpm

[wise swallow]

\

1740 RPm

140 shots out in 5 seconds lmao

[shy willow]

Mobile autocannon

[wise swallow]

Gonna see what DPS is like with 1.8 mill armour

@magic pilot

second guy in first clip was 1.8 mill armour btw

was probably at 1.4-1.5 mill when i start shooting yhjo

it uhh does a little bit of dmg

[solar sable]

a little bit

[wise swallow]

29 shots coming out of the barrel a second. assuming 60% of them crit (109k crits to body), 2.4 mill DPS 👍

only have to hit 60% of your shots to kill someone

dumping 375 rounds at the floor is incredibly annoying but

[dull ermine]

Does incoming repairs apply to skills

Ie shield

[onyx sage]

iirc no

[versed summit]

tbh even if it did PFE probably still better 99% of the time.

[fresh grove]

Sheesh

[modest palm]

they gonna call you a hacker

[bleak siren]

any good use for sleipnir?

[versed summit]

Iron Horse Speedruns? not really tho

[bleak siren]

sorry i dont play lame ahhh raids

[modest palm]

what's basic setup for military m60e6?

[versed summit]

it fits onto any build that an LMG fits onto. so Striker's would work fine

though it is pretty low firerate, so you'd reaaaaaally need to build stacks with an ACS first

[modest palm]

what acs?

[versed summit]

acs-12 shotgun

[modest palm]

ah

i dont' see striker

what talent acs-12 you means

or you means the exotic

[solar sable]

ACS-12 is a high end Shotgun
Strikers Battle gear is a Brand

[modest palm]

i see

i dont have any exotic, or gear set (i mistaken disamtled chamelon gear score 294 instead i could reconfigure to 400)

or i should us mg5 with frenzy

[flint tiger]

can you screenshot your build pls

[dull ermine]

How much pfe makes pfe worth using tho like what’s the threshold that it starts to become effective?

For instance 45% chc is good but its nowhere near the desired 60%

Cause I don’t wanna use the improvised pieces

[versed summit]

where are you using it? Morozova?

[dull ermine]

The exact build I just mentioned, the only thing is the talent gets scaled to mag size

So more dps but more charge up time to burn

[dull ermine]

Eh it’s more for legendaries and hunters

Cause god forbid you go into the recruiter manhunt with glass cannon

[onyx sage]

i mean you can

[dull ermine]

Sir I was punished using obliterate on normal

[onyx sage]

recruiter actually isn't hard if you know one simple trick

[dull ermine]

I just did it first time the other day

[onyx sage]

don't get hit kill everything except the assault and kite him around

[dull ermine]

They keep spawning no?

[onyx sage]

if you kill them all yeah

but you never had to

[dull ermine]

You’ve got to be shitting me

[onyx sage]

lol

[noble dirge]

Oof.

[onyx sage]

welcome to division school

[dull ermine]

The fine specimen who designed those weakpoints man

They have a special place in hell

[versed summit]

I'd use PFE for Hunter's. the thing is that there's it's 100% active against hunter's. as far as legendary, I don't think I would take a tank, you could use repair skill mods if you were using artificer, but I can't really tell you about PFE thresholds and tanking on legendary.

[onyx sage]

i'd only use pfe against tidal boss tbh

other stages you're better off being more offensive

[dull ermine]

Never done tidal or manning

[onyx sage]

they're on a different league compared to the rest

[dull ermine]

I have a fear of finding out what’s in manning zoo because screw that mission

[onyx sage]

this week is tidal weekly too so good luck

[dull ermine]

Every version of it is like hammering a nail into your foot

[onyx sage]

zoo is in all honesty a mess

[dull ermine]

Invaded is difficult enough 😭

[dull ermine]

So… regarding incoming repairs … this isn’t meant to sound dumb but what exactly does it do

Does it require less healing power?

Does it heal you for longer

[versed summit]

buff repairs that you recieve.

[dull ermine]

To what extent tho

[versed summit]

the real magic is that it multiplies with repair skill, but it's hard to synergize it

[versed summit]

20%?

[onyx sage]

well it's linear

[dull ermine]

Is it making a hive charge hit you faster / more?

[onyx sage]

no, none of that

[dull ermine]

Fill your armor more?

[onyx sage]

it just buffs the repair amount you receive

[junior surge]

Basically, 20% incoming repairs means all incoming healing will be multiplied with 1.2

So if you get hit by a hive charge that would heal you for 500k armor, it heals you for 600k instead

[dull ermine]

Interesting

Cause I’ve been mentioning to everyone my chems no longer heal people to full

Nochi experienced this as well

It trickle heals for some reason

The only thing that keeps it going is safeguard

[dull ermine]

If ima be honest I feel like haz pro tanks don’t really serve a purpose other than to fight a mechanic in certain situations (like in legendary I feel like the main role of the tank would be vanguard and revive people)

I mean disruption immunity is a plus … also being able to just go find a support station and peel at it

[versed summit]

Hazpro is for raids tbh. Explosive resistance seems like it’d be more relevant for legendary tbh. But again, why go a tank when you can go CC or Heals or just DPS?

[dull ermine]

The answer to that question lays in LFG

I of course go dps or healer

But every dua i join almost everyone is running some awful blue striker regen build

[versed summit]

Best you can do is try to carry them tbh.

[dull ermine]

Looking back tho DUA is way more tame

[onyx sage]

my back broke after today's tidal

[dull ermine]

Been there done that I had to solo Logan by myself 😂

[versed summit]

That tidal was ruff

[dull ermine]

Do u stream

[onyx sage]

me? ye

[dull ermine]

Got it on recording?

[onyx sage]

link in profile, not gonna put it here

yeah it's up

[dull ermine]

LinkedIn?

[versed summit]

11/10 recommend for the voice acting

[onyx sage]

lol

[dull ermine]

Bruh

It’s you this whole time

I thought you were some new guy 🤣

[onyx sage]

i'm basically new anyway

my brain got wiped after i soloed zoo

[dull ermine]

Bro you’re a brave soul

I’m going to send you a gif of what I imagine incoming repairs does

[onyx sage]

lol

[junior surge]

It's decent in countdown aswell, at least for the hunters at the start and the end. Inbetween tho not so much

[versed summit]

A cavalier tank doesn’t seem to bad there

[onyx sage]

I'm gonna cook

[tulip charm]

Please don’t

[versed summit]

Haters gonna hate. Let the cook cook

[tulip charm]

I pretty sure he’s gonna be an arsonist rather than a cook

But do you i guess

[versed summit]

It’s not unusual for artists to not be appreciated in their time.

[dull ermine]

BRO I got flamed for even suggesting this

😭

[onyx sage]

I'm going to make a cavalier skill build so i take less damage from oxi

[tulip charm]

Now thats a build I’m down with

[junior surge]

Seems very interesting. The skill damage reduction might even help if someone throws out skills that get hacked again lol

[warm knot]

Which is better for the 9mm vector: Strained or optimistic? Yes, I do have dark winter. Thing is I don't like running the same gun all the time. But idk, I can barely get to 4 stacks with strained at 1200 rpm

[solar sable]

i have a tac vector with fast hands and comes useful with a HF build in certain situations

[warm knot]

I dunno, in this case I would just use ouro instead ig.

But I'll give that a try, hopefully it works like that one from div 1

[urban latch]

If you've got ouro then there's really no reason to ever use the vector

[warm knot]

Well, as I said... I don't like running the same gun all the time.

[urban latch]

Well it depends on the build, but strained and optimist are roughly equal on vectors

Also worth noting that fast hands suffers similar to strained on vectors with the low mag size.

Flatline or unwavering is the way to imo on vectors, but like I said, they aren't great and they've been made irrelevant with ouro

[warm knot]

Well, now I'm even considering going with close and personal since I'm running firewall and intimidate. Well, I keep the meta for legendary content only.

ouro has no tactical sprint animation, so no good

[strong cave]

MP7 does, and I know the MP5's have the tac sprint animation as well. Vector is fun but I favor the MP7 more due to its really high damage and rate of fire. Swap Chain would probably do you best, if you can continuously get kills it refreshes the talent. Gun becomes a laser and you reload in a good .01 seconds

Sadly, raucey is right. Ouroboros replaced the need for a vector because Ouro comes with crit mods and provides more than the standard 9mm vector does. Higher damage, same mag size but quicker reload, and I'm pretty sure a slightly higher rate of fire as well. Also, higher crit mods. Talent is ass but it's like all the "meta exotic stans" say: "it don't need a talent bro"

[opal peak]

hello, i had a question, yesterday i ran a leg tidal bassin, and i saw someone with a very nice hybrid tank/dps build, and i was wondering what build from the build compendium is akin to that? it was based on 6 blue armor mods, CHC/CHD lots of elite protection (50 to 80% depending on his variant), firewall spec with shield, and 2 shotguns, he was able to run around and using cover to cover to recharge his energy/armor. It seems to look like a tank build that i saw used in raid with hazard protection instead of CHC/CHD but i was wondering if there was some ressource to look at for such build. Thanks.

[muted ridge]

Hey, does Contractors Gloves have a blueprint available, and where do I get it? Cheers.

[versed summit]

Yes. Descent Reconstructed Caches

[muted ridge]

Perfect, thank you!

[rancid sequoia]

hello everyone, is there anyone with solid healer build?(need some info)

[versed summit]

This build is also laid out in the healer guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[rancid sequoia]

thank you mate, but like i mentioned need to talk with someone who plays as a healer. trying to get grasp of it.

[vestal ibex]

Not sure where you said you need to talk to someone but what are your questions about it? Have you read the FI sets bonuses including chest and backpack talent? Or is there something else about it you don't understand?

[rancid sequoia]

hello mate, thank you for returning. i think most of the item guides are pretty clear but i have problem with play style of a healer. for example, when to use hive, what is the best rotation of skills, should you tank your team mates or just stay back and heal them ect.

[stoic island]

What exactly are your questions and what game modes? A healer should never be a tank for your teammates

[vestal ibex]

This is always hard to say, it really depends on your team. If you play healer your job is to keep people topped up to take advantage of the FIs 25% TWD/TSD(if wearing the chest and you should). This healer build will not allow team mates to face tank damage. Healer hive usually goes where it reaches people and chems are spot heals. If you run out of chems/hive ALL the time you are just healing people who are taking advantage of your heals and not making use of the damage buff. The other side of being a healer is applying opportunistic/scorpio debuffs as combined those two will add 35% more incoming damage from your team mates.

[onyx sage]

🤓 uhhhh ackchually it's 38%

[vestal ibex]

Uh actually it's much more cause survivalist but idgaf about adding all that up.

[onyx sage]

so true

[urban latch]

It obviously depends what your doing, but generally since your not DPS your often helping out with various mechanics.

As far as using the healing skills, you can think of your hive as passive healing in a certain area you toss it onto, but your primary "active healing" is the repair chem which is much stronger. The repair chem has a burst healing mechanic that has an invisible cooldown, so your better off not spamming them (multiple chems do not stack).

FI has a "shared healing" mechanic which is very strong. This makes shooting a chem heal at a teammate (even a full health one) heal yourself much more than if you just dropped a chem on yourself directly. It also makes standing nearby teammates and dropping a chem for the group of you VERY strong.

[dreamy valve]

Go into inspect when they are in the group and screenshot it. If they already left the group you can still see their loadout by /inspect <name> (if they are still online)

Otherwise we won’t have a definitive answer

[opal peak]

yeah i tried to do that but i didn't had enough time since i did that at the end, i didn't knew you can inspect someone with a cmdline nice, i remember his name (kinda) i'll try to find him thanks for the feedback

[devout agate]

@urban latch @wise swallow

[wise swallow]

3 umbra, 2 brazo, ninabike.
Gunner spec, GR9 with large pouch on the mag

its just a wacky fun thing not a realistically good thing

[wise swallow]

good

what CHC?

[proper ridge]

Anybody good any good sets, for dps and health just came back into div 2 also does anybody know why all my guns are squishy lol

[wise swallow]

thats 1.8 mill armour btw

[magic pilot]

How long does it take to empty the mag for frenzy

[wise swallow]

25 seconds~?

somewhere around there

its all worth it for the brrrt

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[wise swallow]

it does absolutely absurd DPS for the 5 seconds frenzy is on for

you could realistically burst down an enitre 4 stack if your flicks are good enough

[magic pilot]

Insane

[stiff jasper]

should be 60

[wise swallow]

hes not at max watch

also just kinda curious

[stiff jasper]

he finally max watch if he keep playing this game

[devout agate]

50

[wise swallow]

how is that possible

[devout agate]

wdym

[devout agate]

huh

[wise swallow]

how low are your CHC rolls

[dull ermine]

Unwavering actually buffs your damage bc 3 Mags on tac vector in 5 seconds

Otherwise optimist > strained imo it’s a bit more consistent. I like strained but for some reason seem to hit harder with optimist

[devout agate]

They aren’t low

The only ones that are low is my ceska gloves

what’s should my CHC be at

[wise swallow]

62 with max rolls

your missing 12 % CHC somewhere

[devout agate]

And SHD?

[wise swallow]

thats max everything

[stiff jasper]

60

[wise swallow]

32 from gear, 10 from gun, 10 from watch 10 from ceska

62

[stiff jasper]

where 32

[gentle lichen]

Catharsis. Unless they're using chc mods

[stiff jasper]

6x5 = 30

[wise swallow]

Can I not do math

yep I cannot

lmao

[stiff jasper]

🤣

[wise swallow]

your still missing 10% somewhere

[devout agate]

my watch isn’t max

[wise swallow]

whats your watch at

[devout agate]

489

My crit hit chance is at 25/50

[opal peak]

look at pinned message you have all documents with the builds

[devout agate]

So that’s 5%

[wise swallow]

so 4.8% CHC from watch?

so 5% missing from rolls

use a CHC mod untill you max watch

[devout agate]

Alright

It’ll put me at 55.5 CHC

[stiff jasper]

your build is ok, it suppose be 60% chc, you haven't reach 60 just because you haven't play this game a lot to get watch and optimization rolls, but you will finally reach it if you keep playing, so my suggest is no necessary to tune this build

[devout agate]

I just need better rolls and max watch

[stiff jasper]

equal gameplay time

[wise swallow]

those go hand in hand like deco said. dont bother optimizing till your max watch

too expensive

[devout agate]

Oh

[devout agate]

Does maxing watch make optimization cost lower?

[proper ridge]

Ty

[wise swallow]

No, but you can basically use the scav points for all the mats

and every level past 1k goes into scav

so its alot cheaper

[devout agate]

Ohhh ok

[jagged hare]

Finally picked up the Coyote mask last night. Question are the attributes always CHD/CHC? If I craft for better rolls do risk rolling off one of those (like with weapons)?

[solar sable]

yes it's always chc/chd, no you won't risk that, just a higher rolled attribute

[slow gyro]

This is good to know, but does this also apply to other exotic masks?

[onyx sage]

all exotic gear pieces

[autumn yacht]

EB is mid i’d use famas or ouro or kb

[wise swallow]

shield splitter is the best AR in the game PVP wise. EB is more of a opportunity type gun, use the F2k untill you want EB.

EB is mid use ouro instead on a AR build is just a bad take

[devout agate]

What attachments do I use for shield splinter

[wise swallow]

all CHC

and the +20 rounds on the mag

[devout agate]

Bet

[devout agate]

Bet

So I use shield splinter for the build then switch to EB if I need it

[autumn yacht]

did i say use ouro on a ar build or is your critical thinking lacking

do i have to clarify ouro on a smg build for you?

[wise swallow]

you responded to a AR build saying EB is mid, id use famas, ouro or KB.

that sounds alot like your recommending using those over EB in the screenshot

[autumn yacht]

i think most people can infer ouro is an smg

[wise swallow]

so your giving completely useless and irrelavent advice considering he wants to use ARs.

[autumn yacht]

but youre recommending shield splitter for a pvp build so ik you’re clueless

[devout agate]

I like using EB it’s pretty satisfying to me

[wise swallow]

highest DPS AR in game with arguable best PVP relavent talent in game is clueless

ok then

[autumn yacht]

i can manhunt u with a famas build right now

[wise swallow]

famas works too homie he just clearly has and wants to use sheild splitter since he already had it equipped

[wise swallow]

wow thats cool

[devout agate]

I would use famas if I had a good one 😭

[wise swallow]

if you didnt jump into a situation you know nothing about youd know he already has a ouro build

so telling him to make one again is useless

[autumn yacht]

you said shield splitter is the best pvp ar in the game

[wise swallow]

it has the highest DPS of all the AR's with a good perfect talent. that makes it fairly good. think you can infer that im talking about HE AR's

famas is not far off so its really up to preference

and if you wanna use flatline or another talent you like sheild splitter obviously doesnt work

[autumn yacht]

is it the worst gun to use? probably not, the talent is decent. but since 99% of ar builds are using kb or st elmo it’s a huge disadvantage

[onyx sage]

shield splinterer has been buffed this patch and that pushed it into one of the best right now btw

if you haven't played in a while

[autumn yacht]

the pvp meta is pushed a lot more towards status effects and SMGs now

[wise swallow]

PVP meta has been status for like 3 years. Ouro really brought back SMG's. AR's arent inferior tho, still worth having a build using them if you wanna use them

[autumn yacht]

if shield splitter out dps’d flatline builds i’d be convinced i’m wrong

[wise swallow]

KB is not ahead of F2k. Elmo is a bit different.

[wise swallow]

firewall kit > flatline DMG

[autumn yacht]

does f2k out dps measured famas?

[wise swallow]

I dont know the numbers on measured but considering measured is pretty close to a net DPS loss id say yea

byeah you can use flatline like I said, its better then using sheild splitter but firewall kit is also very strong

[autumn yacht]

you have to realize in pvp flat dps per mag isn’t very relevant because if 2 players are face tanking it won’t be an entire mag

[wise swallow]

imo better but thats debatable

[wise swallow]

dps = damage per second. per mag dmg was never stated.

ik you dont dump a whole mag

me and prodigy talked about this, ive never been able to dump a whole mag at once against someone decent

Id consider first half mag dmg more relavent then full mag

now does that make optimist weaker overall yea but its still the best talent outside of flatline which basically requires tech spec (HB doesnt but little out of scope)

[autumn yacht]

i could be outdated with my knowledge but that’s also why i only use measured on my famas

ofc when st elmo came out it was the must use

[wise swallow]

one of the math wizards would be better to comment on measured

[wise swallow]

it still is to some degree not as strong as before but its still worth hot swapping on if your hitting a lvndmark along the way or something (free things to stack elmo on)

[devout agate]

So should I be using the shield splinter or the famas

[rich lotus]

Are Contractors, Foxes, and Grupo multiplicative AND additive?

[versed summit]

just about everything is.

DTA, DTOC, and CHD are all additive to other sources of themselves, and multiplicative to different attributes.

the exception is CHD being additive to Headshot*

[onyx sage]

yes, that's why they are very misleading words

[rich lotus]

Is having 3 coyotes in a group stacking better than only having one coyotes and other gear pieces for the other 2 players?

[onyx sage]

if you can stack all 3 at the same time yes, because each buff is stronger than one brand for it, but it's unlikely to happen

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[rich lotus]

🍻

[magic pilot]

Btw Shield splinterer absolutely will outdps a measured famas

[rich lotus]

I’m trying to put together the hardest hitting all red striker group. And I’m wondering how we can max out the most damage asides from specializations. So far Coyotes, Grupo chest with Obliterate, and the rest Striker. Any suggestions or changes?

[magic pilot]

If you want to get the absolute hardest hitting striker build you'd want to spec full into headshot, firewall shield, dodge city and fox knees, regulus and shield splinterer for main guns

[rich lotus]

What about in regard to the setup that I just mentioned? Would a Contractors or Foxes be better than the Grupo?

[versed summit]

Well if you're going for crit coyote's and Perf. Focus will give you max damage. than a kingbreaker with the 8x scope lol? might be losing to much crit tho

[rare atlas]

I have been trying to put together a healing build is there anything I should change or work for?

[dull ermine]

Measured > strained

[magic pilot]

Absolutely not

[versed summit]

delet this

[onyx sage]

aegis is a viable tank set