td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

Just by replacing the picaros for a ceska chest you'll bring your chc from 39 -> 49. At that point you would want to make a roll/mod chc to get mid 50s.
If you went with a striker bag and coyote mask you could leave your chc @ 50, mid buff would have you at 60% chc

[strong cave]

Close range buff would give 25% more CHD ^^

[steel mason]

Hmmm. I'll try her out thanks dudes!

[strong cave]

You got it ✌️ can try either my memento armor strikers build or you can run deck's build that everyone and their mom uses

[hexed steppe]

Ic smg/acs ok yeah, probably kep chc high

[strong cave]

Both are good. If you wanna try out heartbreaker, that's also a good one

Esp with memento

Each stack gives bonus armor and raises weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

More importantly its 2 shield tiers

You might replace the smg for 1 with strained or fast hands

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMbGBGGzape1AuALANnUvAglGmvGSpgJxySJ3bYYuXSbil1uuubC0uSHiIz9ByCr1FZgufM2JEQtBNVhqkaqWX4BWWougB2MHrix50zAjlhme0+cvMRmXJgjNc540ly0bJimxIgyQA

^^ if you wanna keep memento, run that. Stack CHC/CHD where you can

[steel mason]

Alright! I will check it out and see what it does for me

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwNgtAzGAMYExgIwxbNqNoFyg8hiiU66CJqWArFMUvEnGZsyTsJCk+dy1gJwcCLYdxw1OIydiEQA7EmBREwSgvbLwoxCATroyVXB6tEccO0rzVsEO2NYQWCOxCrZyEANHzCSYzCA

^^ this is the heartbreaker build I run. Any AR works, doesn't need to be Eagle Bearer. I just use it for the tenacity talent. I recommend a Socom MK16 AR with flatline on it

Kingbreaker works too but Socom Mk16 does way more damage

[steel mason]

Awesome! I will try that out as well, as my second toon is rolling HB right now as well.

[strong cave]

Ofc swap the decoy to banshee pulse

[strong cave]

You got some decent options to play around with, you could go full DPS but that can be difficult for those who prefer tankier builds

Up to you

[steel mason]

I see, Thanks for the build advice, and the build prints lol

[strong cave]

You're welcome! And yeah build tool is very very useful

I don't watch YouTubers for builds no more i make em myself using build tool/theory

[steel mason]

Yea im starting to realize that youtubers, roll out their vids when their is a buff going on.

[glossy scarab]

i think the best part of playig lvl 1-30 on the first run through is learning to make builds on your own

[tulip charm]

Idk about that chief

usually you use put whatever is strongest early game. Atleast thats what I did during my playthrough.

[glossy scarab]

yea thats true. but at those last few levels is where things start to make sense.

i played lvl 30 for longer than most though

[tulip charm]

xd

[devout agate]

Is safeguard good for a heal build

[lavish grail]

what do you guys think of seeker mines? don't they seem a little redundant when you have things like the hive and drones?

[solar sable]

well, seeker mines in pve are pretty much redundant as you said, but in pvp they are useful mostly in Conflict

Shall we take this conversation to general?

[lavish grail]

sure

[tulip charm]

Not really

The talent below is bis for healer

[junior surge]

Opportunistic

[serene hare]

I never did a ability build, but is this any good?
Every piece of gear have ability haste and damage.

Ignore the sidearm, I have no idea what to put there.

And that Capacitor is just a placeholder too, it is literally doing nothing for the build.

[glossy scarab]

what are the 2 and 3 piece brand set bonus for murakami?

[hexed steppe]

use 3 empress instead of 3 murakami

[serene hare]

Durability and something to do with weapon fix or I have no idea how is it called to you guys.

[glossy scarab]

the capacitor does quite a bit for your build

[serene hare]

Most of the time I'm using that first weapon tho, it's too good.

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats also a good choice

[serene hare]

But... efficiency seems like less useful than 20% ability damage and durability.

[hexed steppe]

perfect combined arms is a strong talent but it will be hard to keep it procced for turret. tech support may fit better here since its a long buff

skill efficiency is % in every skill bucket

very strong in comparison

[glossy scarab]

efficiency is one of the strongest bonuses in the game for this type of build

[serene hare]

Still only 10% tho.

[hexed steppe]

this is whaty i use for turret/drone

[serene hare]

I rather to use cluster tho, feels like a safe option.

But I'm thinking about some stuffs.

[hexed steppe]

10% skill damage
10% status effects
10% skill duration
10% skill haste
10% skill health
10% skill repair

[serene hare]

Hmm...

I see.

[hexed steppe]

cluster will take a long time to come back, even with all the haste. i would suggest a hive tho for similar use.. but itll be able to be thrown out as partial charge and would utilize the skill damage and status effects (if you use empress)

[serene hare]

No, now that you mentioned, I have no idea why I didn't thought about the striker drone first.

[hexed steppe]

i would kinda suggest 2 builds tho tbh. turret/drone highend, then seeekr and turret hardwire. hardwire has a mechanic to give you seekers every 10 seconds, utilizing the turret since it can be picked up and placed and makes it easy to proc hardwires feedback loop talent

[hexed steppe]

both have a really long uptime so if timed right you can have something up at all times

[steel mason]

Alright, I made that build

for stryker, but only hitting a max for 500k dmg

is that about right?

[hexed steppe]

can you post current setup

justa screenshot of main inventory

[hexed steppe]

is that 500k before memento stacks, like in the range

[serene hare]

There's any secondary that is useful on that build for backup or something?

[steel mason]

nah, before then Im hiitting maybe 350k

Maybe its because im missing obliterate

I just realized that

[serene hare]

Well, although I no longer have that burst damage of the Clusters, this is super reliable.
It's 3 targets DPSing things around.

[hexed steppe]

main would be capacitor. ive got in sync mop (named shotgun) on mine for the aok. test subject is good, but its same ammo type as cap... if you can get a harmony rifle it has the same perfect in sync but different ammp type. if you use any explosives use the mop or other shotgun. cap and shotguns both have dta and explosives benefit drom that

[glossy scarab]

for drone/turret i always use the harmony named rifle (w perfect in sync) as a secondary

[serene hare]

Secondary I meant sidearm.
I am acostumed to call sidearms of "secondary".

[glossy scarab]

oh ok then kard custom is a good one, especially if you put future perfect on it

[serene hare]

And Idk, my Capacitor is not working.

[hexed steppe]

note that now you have some flexibility when it comes to specialization. i run gunner for aok, but if you find something beneficial on any of the specs you dont have to have tech for the free core... or you could roll an armor/damage core somewhere if tech is kept

[hexed steppe]

something with insync or sledgehammer for utility

[hexed steppe]

yeah oblit is another 25% total weapon damage once stacked

[serene hare]

The Capacitor damage seems worse than the perfectly insync named AR

[hexed steppe]

whats the 3rd stat on both. test subject has a 40% boost when procced. cap will have 52.5% extra weapon damage considering 7 skilltiers currently

[serene hare]

Mine is DTTOOC.

[hexed steppe]

on both

[serene hare]

Yes.

[hexed steppe]

you should be seeing more on the cap. its probably because of the high dth on test subjects and probably a only health target. swap target to named or elite and check again

cap has a 12% dta roll

[serene hare]

I think I don't get how that weapon works.

[glossy scarab]

a build like this will make the weapon much more powerful (while hurting your skill haste/cooldown time)

[hexed steppe]

cap just counts yellow cores as red cores for its damage. each yellow is half a red core. on a full yellow itll be 45% weapon damage. if you have red cores it will count those as well. its always active tho so just pointing and shooting will always see the buff. the variable part of it is the skill damage since it needs to be stacked with hits

[serene hare]

So literally nothing to help on buffing skills while using the primaries, like Finisher or Bee's talent.

[hexed steppe]

capacitor stacks up to 60% skill damage. thats pretty huge for skills. perfect in sync gives 40% at max proc
sledge hammer is utility, in sync would be as a backup proc if you run out of ammo on your mains. its preference

[serene hare]

Perfectly Insync seems to deal more damage, single targeting named mobs, at least.

Shooting multiple enemies felt like pretty same-ish

Do I discard this shit? To me it looks useless.
Or maybe there's something to get here?

[hexed steppe]

use what feels best ig. the math leans towards capacitor.

[serene hare]

What's the difference between skill repair and skill haste?

[hexed steppe]

haste is cooldown, repair helps healing skills

[serene hare]

Oh, now I got things on track.

I always wondered "wtf is this?"

[flint wave]

mid

[hexed steppe]

once you get that turret build set, you will pretty much have a workable mortar build. using demo class and maybe swapping the hanna pieces for sacrifice chest and strategic alignment bag 😉
boom booms can be quite fun

[serene hare]

So discard it is the best option?

[tulip charm]

Stash forever

[shy willow]

Always keep at least a copy of every exotic

Who knows maybe one day they'll bring it back

[humble spade]

hey guys, returning agent here, what is the absolute top DPS that you can do right now? I'm talking one-mag burst.

[hexed steppe]

striker for dps, hotshot for 1 shot kills

[humble spade]

striker has to ramp up to do top dps

[hexed steppe]

guides for both in the pinned spreadsheet attached to this channel

[flint wave]

burst isn't that important in pve

striker too good

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its still top single target dps

[humble spade]

I found in raids that there are a lot of situations when you need to very quickly take care of an elite mob, and if you have to change mags it might already be too late

[hexed steppe]

high end still viable in raids

[flint wave]

Striker worked fine in dark hours for me. I used 200 stacks by the ending

nothing kills elites faster then high stack striker

and one shot

[humble spade]

also in raids there's a lot of downtime, and then suddenly you have to take care of shit but maybe I'm remembering wrong

[hexed steppe]

the question was pretty vague tbf

[humble spade]

I will definitely look at striker, I think back when I played it wasn't really the top dps

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its changed to not lose stack on misses like before

[humble spade]

whatever the build I need chest free for the Sacrifice

[flint wave]

then don't use striker chest

100 stack striker gud too and safer to use then 200 stacks

[humble spade]

yea chest talent seemed bad

[flint wave]

I was gambling when I swapped to 200 stack at the end of dark hours

[muted dagger]

Probably 4pc striker with backpack, sacrifice and a grupo/coyote's

[humble spade]

also I noticed they added a new gamemode? Is it anything like Survival in TD1?

[muted dagger]

Which one, descent? Or summit?

[humble spade]

descent

[muted dagger]

Descent is a rogue lite gamemode

[humble spade]

It kind of sounded like Survival

[muted dagger]

Start with nothing, random weapons, gear and talents, make a build, fight yohr way to and face off against the nemesis

After that you go for glory and arm patches because the time commitment is wild

[humble spade]

good rewards?

[muted dagger]

Countdown would be way faster

[flint wave]

Reconstructed caches give you named item blueprints which can only come from descent

and it's shop

[muted dagger]

^ this though, and an exotic which is exclusive to the mode

But if you want immediate, targeted gear then countdown still remains one of if not the quickest

[humble spade]

I don't like that they made countdown by far the best way to get gear

I will try to do countdown as little as possible on this fresh account

[muted dagger]

Good call

[flint wave]

man is challenging himself

[muted dagger]

Once I finished my build I haven't touched it since

[flint wave]

I refuse to do summit for loot other then trying to hunt for max gear mods on legendary difficulty

[muted dagger]

Still a pain in the ass I reckon

[hexed steppe]

gonna need those juicey exo components for expertise upgrades, and countdown is still the best for exo caches 😂

[shy willow]

There's a lot of stuff to stack off

[flint wave]

still on the hunt for max pfe 👴

I got max red and yellow mods for days but barely any blues

[shy willow]

I'm stacked on pulse resistance mods

[glossy scarab]

i have a 9.9% pulse resistance mod and i hate that

[flint wave]

hope they buff incoming repairs so I can use my maxed one🙏

[humble spade]

ok so what about guns? back when I played FAMAS was the best burst dps

with striker you probably might want something fast and big magazine?

[flint wave]

St elmo engine

the only reason not to use st elmo as ur ar of choice is if ur planning to use another exotic gun. In that case FAMAS is very much still relevant

[glossy scarab]

yea for a middle ground as far as mag size, F2000/shield splinterer is good. but with st. elmos you can get a bunch more chd on your build

[hexed steppe]

that just kinda makes up for the lack of damage talent tho

famas or f2000 still more damage afaik

with strained

[glossy scarab]

oh right right

[flint wave]

Who needs damage talent when enemies can't move and shoot🛌

100% shots on target

[hexed steppe]

im an elmo user so dont get it twisted, but if we're being honest the high ends are more damage 🤔

[flint wave]

spreadsheeter propaganda

I only know real gameplay

[glossy scarab]

i use F2000 over elmos usually so I can run ouroborus as a secondary

[muted dagger]

St. Elmo's is an all-rounder AR, same mods as EB but higher values, highest mag capacity AR currently, status effects, good handling

[glossy scarab]

i thought it was too good to be true when I first played with st elmos in that PTS, but they surprised me (i dont think they changed it after the PTS and just put it in the game as it was)

[shy willow]

I was definitely expecting a nerf to the attachments

Although they did change it so you can't stack shock ammo while it's active

[glossy scarab]

oh right. i dont disagree with that decision

[tawdry raven]

how many blue cores yall use for openworld?

im deciding between 2 or 3

[solar sable]

3 including Memento

[versed summit]

0 tbh

[solar sable]

yeah, blues in LZ is such a waste

[fiery igloo]

what skills would you recommend on the floor 100 hunters heroic summit. i got a full red dps

[versed summit]

Well typically they’re going to jam your skills. Foam isn’t a bad idea though.

[fiery igloo]

i saw some run banshee and decoy

but i am not sure if i should drop the reviver hive for two skills

is chem launcher not affected by emp?

[versed summit]

They all are

[fiery igloo]

so i guess chemlauncher and launch it at them as they push?

[tawdry raven]

U typically wait in the room til one of em runs up and when they're at the door u hit em with foam launcher or banshee pulse and then shoot em

[fiery igloo]

u cant wait there anymore from what i saw

[tawdry raven]

No way, good thing I don't need floor 100 for anything

[fiery igloo]

well i cleared it once i just do it for whatever i guess xd

i still need 2 hunters for the exotic project

[patent fossil]

scorpio is the main anti-hunter weapon, and if you can get outside on the left there's decent full-height cover to help manage their sight-lines

[fiery igloo]

i did all the floors on summit with shotgun and no scorpio

bought plenty of caches no luck either

[flint spire]

Ay yall
In my current sniper build
I have the ninjabike backpack

Is there any other alternative that you guys suggests?

[onyx sage]

yeah, vigilance backpack

[tulip charm]

Gotta show the whole build

but vigi backpack is better

[patent fossil]

if you want more damage then vigilance is the way to go

[flint spire]

I'm mostly concerned about the headshot damage
I want to keep it above 300 minimum

[versed summit]

The headshot damage isn’t worth it over the TWD from vigilance. Or utility from another talent like bloodsucker.

[flint spire]

Ah

I'll keep that mind
I'll try to show the build in a bit

Middle of a raid

[magic pilot]

Once you are over 150% hsd dmg it really doesn't matter to keep stacking hsd

[winged vector]

Hey, sorry to ask but wich weapon would give me more dmg overal? I don’t think I ever kill a enemy closer then 7 meters from me tough

[hexed steppe]

You would generally change the weapon talent on the non named, but that is locked in now.
Strained, optimist, or fast hands are best options

Neither are really good at this point tbh

[versed summit]

Honey badger isn’t great to begin with, but taking a damage talent would be better than not though. So technically Savage Wolverine.

[winged vector]

Oke I will keep an eye on a good rolled AR and slap any off those talents on.

[hexed steppe]

Also look for damage to targets out of cover for 3rd attributes

[winged vector]

But I have strained on my SMG, would that talent also work while firing the AR

[hexed steppe]

Only when weapon is in hand

[winged vector]

Oke good to know

My bad SMG.

[hexed steppe]

If you check out the pinned spreadsheet, the weapons tab has all the base damage and dps stats listed. It will help you narrow down what to target for best possibly damage

[winged vector]

Ah great tip thanks

[hexed steppe]

Better than no smg 😉

[winged vector]

True,

Last question, what about side arms? Do the talents on those work while holding other guns ? And wich side arm is best

Got a sawed off Shotgun atm

[hexed steppe]

It depends on the talent for any weapon tbh. Something like busy bee exo pistol talent buffs damage when you switch. If it doesnt say anything about switching weapons, the talent will only apply while in hand

Sledgehammer is a good pistol utility talent.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah drop ninja and dh mask

Airaldi vigilance bag and hotshot mask. I would also drop relic for an m700 carbon or sr1 with determined.

[flint spire]

[hexed steppe]

M700 carbon will be hitting 28-30min on the vigilance setup on top end. I'm not sure what your nem hits or if you even main it but itll be significantly higher as well

[onyx sage]

sr-1 is my baby

[versed summit]

I think nem hits around 50m tbh

[glossy scarab]

yea nemesis can hit like 54-56mil (with full HH stacks of course) and thats unoptimized, but has Dtoc on it

[fiery igloo]

foam made shit pretty easy once i got to the fight

foam plus foam grenades were pretty nice to keep em locked

[flint spire]

Wondering if I should replace the sniper turret with the decoy skill

[onyx sage]

absolutely

the sniper turret does nothing for your build

[flint spire]

Bet

[steel mason]

Man I really dont understand builds I guess

HB , only doing an avg of 250k a shot, with a high crit of 500l

meanwhile others are getting an average of 600k to 1 mill high

[versed summit]

There’s a lot of factors that go into your damage output. I’d recommend looking at the build guides in the attached spreadsheet to learn the best way to setup the build, and then make sure you understand the talents and how to make effective use of them.

[steel mason]

My build is is that. still being rekt not outputting enough dmg to be effective in any content

[versed summit]

What weapon are you using?

[steel mason]

Using the second verision with m4

And I know that my SHD level is likely way lower, but I dont thnk that would effect it that much

[versed summit]

With the Airaldi chest/Pristine Example?

[steel mason]

I thought that was athena?

[versed summit]

Don’t think there’s an Athena anything

[bronze hound]

There isn't

[versed summit]

Could be a the name of the actual gear piece tbh. Not that anyone uses those.

[bronze hound]

Athena missile vest sounds familiar

[steel mason]

nvm its the same thing. the Missle vest

[bronze hound]

Holy fuck I got that right?

[versed summit]

Use the first picture. Ceska backpack & coyotes everything else HB

[onyx sage]

for future reference don't use the name of the item, use the brand of the item, unless it's a named item

[slate nest]

Reinforced Rotor Blades

[onyx sage]

so that when you refer to say an item like Airaldi backpack or Airaldi holster, we will know you're using the brand that gives 10% mmr damage as the 1 piece bonus. the name of the item is utterly useless

[onyx sage]

rotor blades

[steel mason]

is this build relying on boosts from the group?

Cuz im tryin to run it solo

[onyx sage]

HB? no

more like the group depends on you to clear enemies to move forward

but no, you should be dealing damage just fine solo

also send a picture of your build

[wise swallow]

the rotorblitz glazing is wild

[onyx sage]

uhhhh 🤓 it's actually RoterBlitz /j

there's a running joke in my circles and i'm just giving in to it

[hexed steppe]

post a screenshot. ideally youll want ceska vigilance bag and coyote mask. youll also want a reliable way of pulsing ... pulse skill kinda dodo for this since its not always up. generally one would use technician spec for the underbarrel linked laser that pulses when aiming or rely on headshotting every 5 seconds. flatline weapon talent also synergizes with this as both set and talent rely on pulsed npcs. no pulse = no damage stacking where hb is concerned

[steel mason]

I lost my vest but here ya go

for some reason i take a screnshot of my stats, and nothing happpens

[hexed steppe]

missing a bag mod

the stats on hb never really great. as long as youre pushing 50 chc you should be ok

[steel mason]

im at 45/94

the vest will fix that, but I gotta find it again

[hexed steppe]

what made you switch to this over striker?

[versed summit]

That’s a good setup. People with optimized builds, higher SHD levels, and expertised weapons are going to do more damage than you, but that just takes time. This is the best version of this build you can run atm.

Just make sure you have the Linked Laser Pointer on both weapons and build stacks with the ACS.

[steel mason]

@hexed steppe I am still rolling stryker

I have 3 toons, 1 with stryker, 1 with HB, and 1 that is Stryker hybrid healer

[hexed steppe]

ok cool, yeah it looks like it should be doing work. optimization will bring those numbers up a bit as well.

[steel mason]

Yea, I gotta find a way to grind those resources out

[hazy steeple]

First time I've seen Striker spelt like that.

re: farming resources. During a GE (Global Event) you can buy special caches from the Seasons Vendor using the "stars" you earn from levelling up and Challenges, absolutely take advantage of those.

[hexed steppe]

do all your daily projects and grind out level 3 control points. since youre also running multiple agents like i do you can complete multiple projects and hit areas like solar farm cp on all your agents for a lot of resources

[hazy steeple]

Okay that is so much worse.

[onyx sage]

screenshot from a friend

[steel mason]

Yea just tried to grind a CP... got wiped in 1.5 secs lmfao

[ashen atlas]

It’s better to do it groups

Just call for back up

[magic pilot]

Solo all day

[steel mason]

@hexed steppe added

[slow gyro]

I just got ninjabike messenger, and don't know what to make lol

[versed summit]

An exotic component lol

It’s really not a worthwhile exotic. The brandset bonus in this game aren’t good enough to warrant the loss of a backpack talent.

[hexed steppe]

i think the only viable spot was on a healer build

[versed summit]

PvP healer at that. For PvE BTSU is 99% too valuable to sacrifice.

[hexed steppe]

yeah i believe that was what it was

hell btsu too valuable on my mortar build as well 😉
its pretty sweet killing the cooldowns of teams revive hives

[slow gyro]

I've never tried using the BTSU gloves, but they do seem interesting

[hexed steppe]

oh theyre awesome

i use them on mortar and when mortar goes on cooldown i pop a hive and its instanty back with hive rapidly charging up

team get an oc and a cooldown skip on hives... maybe all skills but im not 100 on that

[slow gyro]

I'll throw something together with those gloves

[hexed steppe]

check out the fi build on the sheet. its a good one to have as backup if needed

[slow gyro]

Is it pinned here?

[hexed steppe]

yeah attached to this channel
#td2-build-advice message

[slow gyro]

Ok cool beans

[flint wave]

🫘

damn this emoji doesn't exist on old discord

[solar sable]

I've seen a lot of these dudes in Conflict killing 6 blues with only 3-4 melee attacks, any clue what their build could be?

[shy willow]

Why are they bashing people instead of shooting them😭

[solar sable]

It's annoying because they are like WWZ zombies behind you

[steel mason]

Dont worry! One day I ll get ceska to drop with obli, or at least CHC and CHD instead of Headshot or a yellow.

only about 100 peices into the grind

[hazy steeple]

2 countdown runs? You might need a couple more.

not many though.

[steel mason]

no no, just 100 chest peieces lol probably 15 runs

[hazy steeple]

You're using Ceska Targeted Loot, right?

when you're looking for a brand or named, go for brand.
only go for "type" when looking for an Exotic.

[steel mason]

ok

how do i make this stryker build more survivable

[solar sable]

Which one? Just send a screenshot.

[shy willow]

Add blues, palisade, memento, use gunner; there's a lot of stuff you can do just depends on what you're planning on doing w it

[hearty timber]

look nice

[steel mason]

its the typical stryker

i just can survive

[solar sable]

@steel mason 👆

[shy willow]

Needs rerolling ideally

Potentially even use the mop as your stacking gun for AOK

[hearty timber]

Oh, i got that shotgun

[old gale]

Hey I need an OP Raid Build and I want someone’s opinion on what I should use for both gear and weaponry plz. Only condition is that I can’t use weaponry that is unlocked by doing the raids since I didn’t do them yet.

[dull ermine]

3 pc providence, obliterate, coyotes mask, contractors gloves, fox prayers knee pads for easy consistent damage

[strong cave]

I can think of a few builds it can be very useful for, but these guys are right. I run it on a PvP healer build and it hits pretty hard where it can. Another build I run it on is an Umbra build, 3 pc umbra, picaro's holster, chest plate can be whatever you desire with unbreakable and crits on it. I've seen a decent amount take a 2nd brazos piece for the mag size increase and run Ouroboros. Again, another pvp build lol.

By no means is ninjabike absolutely horrible, you're just better off using a better backpack talent in PvE content. It really only has its best uses in PvP

In other words, memento is just better if you're looking for straight buffs. Ninja relies on unlocking bonuses which can do more harm than good

[solar sable]

What's this two brazos oreo build? 👀

[strong cave]

Ninjabike backpack, brazos chest plate with unbreakable OR obliterate, picaro's holster. Or, alternatively, use a regular brazos holster and have crits on it. Ninja unlocks the mag size, giving Ouroboros about 75 in the mag instead of the 50

Then just use umbra rolled for armor and crits

3 PC umbra, 2 PC brazos, With capacitor or Ouroboros it's deadly

Rate of fire and crit damage increases when at max stacks

You'll find a lot of these builds in Dark Zone, you'll know when somebody is tryharding when they run Umbra builds. It's too cheesy for my taste, so I run armor hunters fury 🤣

[devout agate]

Can someone help me out for this build, I want to use ridgeways pride and EB

For pvp

[strong cave]

Your first mistake is using eagle bearer. If you wanna use ridgeways, your best bet is to use a sadist weapon with it. Ridgeways repairs armor by bleeding targets within 15m proximity. Sadist grants weapon damage boost to bleeding targets.

Knowing that information, I suggest using hunter's fury. You're already locked to a certain distance, may as well commit to it. Hunters fury is pretty easy to get so once you can get pieces with max or close to max crit damage rolls, slap on armor cores. For the backpack I'd suggest a grupo or ceska backpack with armor and crits. Talent could be ad rush, companion if you plan on using stinger, or you could go clutch (not the best choice tho). For a sadist weapon, I recommend a .45 vector. Decent clip size, good damage, and it's mid tier out of all the vectors. Don't use tac vector even tho it has the highest damage, clip size is low. Don't use 9mm vector as the base damage is awful. Secondary weapon could be a military m870 with sadist on it, hunters fury buffs SMG/Shotgun damage as well as debuffs enemies within 15m to take 20% more weapon damage. Each stack grants 5% more weapon damage, stacks up to 5 times, giving a cap of 25% weapon damage at max stacks. Basically, it has built in "unstoppable force".

Very good setup, I run this in dark zone with Ouroboros and there's 1.6m armor if built properly

You'll wanna aim for at least 4 blues 2 reds, can even get away with 5 blues 1 red

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcBGAnPSZM8BWFUtVdXOKOOYYMx8rKKWJj50fd8zs9BFxs8fMQJgB2cA0yYAbAWyKckpQA4luZjBgMGk3JpjjE6PVEwlFJTJvmFsCAZMEN5JSYXnaJhGJoQikJMQA

^^ build I use

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcBGAnPSe5sB2FUtVdYADjykz00wTJYsyille-MvE7zkeZdBFwDmQqSnQwY4YPBJMlkcEQFsi9RTBIBWeOABsxnrOB1DZw5hrH62STKKjFxw9rDHcvZfUxpECA

^^ build I recommend

[devout agate]

What does unstoppable force do

[strong cave]

Each kill you get increases weapon damage by 5%, stacks up to 5 times, giving 25% total damage at max stacks

Hunters fury has that built into the gear set

[devout agate]

Ohhh ok

Doesn’t hunters fury give 30% Smg damage

[strong cave]

If I'm doing the math correctly, you'll do 20% extra damage to enemies within 15m of you. Shoot them at that range, ridgeways will cause them to bleed. Sadist will proc, giving another 20%. If you get 5 kills, weapon damage increases another 25%

Plus the 1 red core, so another 15%

[devout agate]

Ohhh ok

[strong cave]

20+25+20+15 = 80% total weapon damage at your strongest

Can get up to 95 if you use 4 blues 2 reds

[strong cave]

15%

[devout agate]

Is the backpack needed or no?

[strong cave]

Yeah I forgot about that, so you can get up to 100+% weapon damage

[devout agate]

With the backpack?

[strong cave]

Hunters fury backpack or chest?

[devout agate]

Which one is not needed

[strong cave]

Both

[devout agate]

Ok

[strong cave]

One increases the range, the other increases the time before you lose the stacks

[devout agate]

Oh ok

[strong cave]

Pretty useless

[devout agate]

What’s the cooldown on the time

For apex predator

[strong cave]

I think 15 seconds

Lemme double check

10 seconds, I was close

[devout agate]

Alright

[strong cave]

This build shines best in dark zone but it can for sure do conflict

[devout agate]

Would a sokolov piece also be good for the build)

[strong cave]

Sokolov would be good yes

[devout agate]

Gotcha

[strong cave]

I mostly went grupo/ceska to boost crits

That's where your damage will come from

When clearing landmarks and I'm at my strongest I can see crits of upwards of 550k

Weakest you'll see crits in the 225's to 300's

(factoring in headshots)

[strong cave]

Assuming you're above SHD 1000, just follow this template I came up with:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcBGAnPSe5sB2FUtVdYADjykz00wTJYsyille-MvE7zkeZdBFwDmQqSnQwY4YPBJMlkcEQFsi9RTBIBWeOABsxnrOB1DZw5hrH62STKKjFxw9rDHcvZfUxpECA

Can use sokolov but I personally would go ceska or grupo for higher crits

[devout agate]

How much to players

[strong cave]

In pvp damage is lowered but it still drops super quick

[magic pilot]

Soko is better if you are only using the smg but not by much

[strong cave]

This is true. Can squeeze a few more thousand damage points out of the build but it's all of 2k more

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXMaF9wQBOAdi00ouwFYajCCAOC1q5bOcgo9ttzkjipCfMdWBIeEcbJTYwkYiDgkWwOjBrkNSDS3bY5Yo-1mdTxy2ZRA

I wanna do some dps comparisons of this to the meta, might even just compare with 2 brazos

For conflict you need ceska over grupo

Fenris might lose to grupo id have to test that

190 chd though

[blissful halo]

so im currently trying to do this build and need a st elmo's engine, anyone know how to get one now? i know it was in the pass a while back, but no clue how to get it now :c
https://youtu.be/K7xizA22NVk?si=Xr7s4PkspFtJGGJq

[hazy steeple]

for those who don't want to give Patrick the view, here's the build:

it hurt to post that.

[blissful halo]

wait huh?

bad person?

[hazy steeple]

div2 youtubers are almost universally terrible, it's basically all down to the fact that the games meta is actually quite narrow, so after a while of posting stuff, you've already done everything and you have to go too far out from what really works well.

This is about 3 blocks away.

[blissful halo]

Oh.

i just got back into the game and was looking for some striker builds ;-;

[hazy steeple]

Oh we've actually got a rather lovely one in this server already, and there's a ton more that are all math'd out properly along with it.
Just click on the 📌 pinned-message icon > spreadsheet 2 > builds. All of those work on Heroic+

We're happy to answer any questions you have about stuff, this game is deliberately obscure with even basic stuff.

[shy willow]

💀

[blissful halo]

thank you so much, i really need the help haha, only real build i got is a sniper one shot one, but wanted some variety haha cus of adhd brain

[hazy steeple]

Hey we all started out at exactly the same level: newbie :p

[blissful halo]

yeah haha

but yeah, still curious on how to get the st elmo's engine

[onyx sage]

farm countdown on challenging

[blissful halo]

cus as said, i remember it was apart of the bp's a while back

even if i didnt get it back when it was in the bp?

[onyx sage]

it's in the general pool now. most exotics that you haven't gotten during the season it was on the pass would enter the general pool

[blissful halo]

Oh thank god haha

[onyx sage]

it's always been like this

[blissful halo]

aahh

[onyx sage]

except for exclusive exotics

[magic pilot]

Love the random yellow rolls

Lengmo for skill health?

[urban latch]

Im guessing skill health and repair skills for the shield/artificer... Really dumb setup...

[onyx sage]

I'm pretty sure he just slapped together whatever pieces he got from the season cache and called it a build

[tulip charm]

Not only is that build terrible but the comments actually worse. )=

[shy willow]

lemme guess people said they were using it and it works excellent for them

or that they were already using a similar variation

[tulip charm]

Thats one

The others are “dps bro”,elitist, etc takes

[hazy steeple]

"take that, meta bros" etc.

[tulip charm]

xd

[shy willow]

one seems to be waffling about all red having diminishing returns

you right this is hurting my brain

[tulip charm]

yeah those type of vids are brainrot

[hazy steeple]

I could've sworn I legitimately saw someone say "the doubters got wolfed" and that's enough internet for the year.

[urban latch]

The lemmings got wolfed

[hazy steeple]

ah there we go. "had a problem, called in the Wolf".

[tulip charm]

hahaha

[strong cave]

It looks solid to me, I've seen people run that build but most go ninja bike with umbra for the rate of fire and crit boosts

[strong cave]

What the hell am I looking at... This is a disgrace of a ninja build

Only 3 reasons why to use ninja: PvP healer, umbra capacitor, exotic component

[hazy steeple]

I'm not familiar with the umbra capacitor ninja combo.

[shy willow]

I put together just a few hours ago

you see a lot of it in pvp

[strong cave]

Looks about right, except in PvP you take off umbra and put on Brazos chest with unbreakable

Umbra knees

[hazy steeple]

So this setup is specifically for PvP then?

[shy willow]

ye

[strong cave]

3 skill tiers, technician/ninja/picaros. Capacitor for weapon boosts, and the damage cores from ninja and picaro's boosts higher

[hazy steeple]

Yeah if it's for PvP don't worry about it on my end.

[strong cave]

Use 2 pieces of Brazos and it'll boost your mag size (fire rate and crit DMG from umbra)

[strong cave]

I mean, it can do PvE but you're better off just using yee old striker

[urban latch]

Conflict or dz?

[shy willow]

planning on conflict

trying to get a catalogue together so I'm not just stuck getting clapped without being able to shake up playstyle

[urban latch]

What's your chc at?

And keep in mind that you don't get your watch in conflict

[shy willow]

sat at 58

[strong cave]

With or without watch?

[shy willow]

with

[strong cave]

48 without

But you'll get crit damage from umbra so spec a little bit more into chance and you'll be fine

[shy willow]

aight

[strong cave]

In DZ the build is just flat out broken. Worse when it's a full squad of manhunts running it. Hide, get stacks, shoot, hide and heal, repeat

Pair umbra with perfectly efficient and firewall med kits and they will essentially never die

[shy willow]

in the DZ I win 1v1s but obviously it's almost never a 1v1 so I get sent

how do you deal with multiple players anyway assuming no EB

[urban latch]

Either by them being idiots who don't know how to play, or you don't

[shy willow]

damn

[strong cave]

Multiple? I try to stay where ads are or get some distance so I can get stacks back. Or, pop a firewall kit. Decoys are a wonderful tool

If necessary use st Elmo's on umbra

The most I myself can handle is a 1v4 only in certain situations

[shy willow]

brother i can't even 1v2

its stinger hive and seeker central

[strong cave]

Ah over here on PC everyone and their mom either uses umbra capacitor with defender/decoy or they pull out their bighorn armor regen catharsis

If you piss em off enough they'll swap to bulwark regulus. Kill that build, they straight swap to status effects and glass Cannon

[shy willow]

like a good 80 percent of builds I see are that skill tier 3 umbra capacitor

with an assortment of annoying status effect skills

[strong cave]

Yup and they usually run full armor and rely on picaro's and ninja

[shy willow]

i have a burn build but I'm trash with it

[strong cave]

2 reds, 3 yellows, 6 blues

7.5% multiplied by 3, add on another 30% to the sum of that

DPS = yes

Hide, heal, shoot, repeat

[strong cave]

Usually flame sticky, seeker, stinger or riot foam

[shy willow]

gotta farm more umbra pieces to roll blue for a DZ variant it seems

[strong cave]

Basically roll crit damage/crit chance where you can and change weapon to armor

It's the most brainless build you can make

It favors hardcore hand holding when playing in teams. I don't mind team play but it's so annoying when it's the same 4 man squads camping the same staircase every day

[urban latch]

Id honestly argue umbra is better played more red and aggressive. Basic idea is to get the jump on people and burst them down before they can react. There are better builds if you just want to face trade

[shy willow]

right

[strong cave]

I'm pretty sure mine is 4 blues 2 reds 🤔 I think??? But I use eagle with umbra

[urban latch]

Mostly talking about something like this. If your using unbreakable or efficient, then just go high end or strikers. If your going with umbra the chest really is the whole point, without it I just don't see umbra being at all worth it. And once you have the chest on your going to be playing aggressively and basically trying to ambush people

[strong cave]

Chest is nice for more damage but people kill so easily that without unbreakable you feel like you're running glass Cannon lmao. Depends on the build at the end of the day

Strikers I dislike due to keeping or maintain stacks. Hard to do in dz without already doing rogue police or being rogue. I like instant damage, usually that's who decides the winner in pvp. High end, I have too many of those. So, I went with hunters fury. Drop a decoy, go rogue, kill an ad (at landmarks ofc), everyone is confused and that's your chance to drop all agents . It rips when safehouse fighting

1.6m armor and it has built in AoK as well as crowd control. Also gives debuffs within 15m, and 5% more weapon damage per kill (initial debuff is 20% weapon damage)

Factor in hunter also giving 15% SMG damage

Pair that with obliterate, crits and maybe companion by using a defender drone, you're doing so much damage with a decent amount of armor

[onyx sage]

i can offer slight corrections with this part

[urban latch]

I mean that will work when your farming pve'ers lol

[shy willow]

if you going smgs can personally recommend electrique

pain in the ass to farm though

[strong cave]

True 🤣

[strong cave]

Like?

[strong cave]

I was able to keep on par with those who PvP alot, doesn't always win but it hits pretty hard

[onyx sage]

HF gives an amp, and initially it's a 20% amp, then a 5% amp per kill that stacks exponentially, so it's 1.2 × 1.05 × 1.05 × ...

it's not weapon damage either, and it's a lot stronger.

but as Raucey said it's a bit problematic in pvp since it stacks on kill

at the top end you do get 53% amp from the set

[strong cave]

Makes sense

[shy willow]

I never knew it amps itself

the more you know

[strong cave]

It's still pretty damn strong the way I have it set up. 5 armors, 1 weapon, then use obliterate and companion for more weapon damage. Also add on HF giving SMGs 15% more weapon damage

[hearty timber]

this thing sound nice for tank aggro

[strong cave]

It sounds even nicer as an exotic component

[hearty timber]

[strong cave]

Running it with aegis?

[hearty timber]

no i just got it

[strong cave]

You can trash it. You'll likely never touch it unless you plan on running aegis with it

... And I think I speak for everyone when I say Aegis is really bad

[hearty timber]

i will just put it into stash

[strong cave]

That works too let it age like fine wine and deconstruct for that juicy component

[onyx sage]

who knows, maybe they'll buff it to make actual mosquito sound fx

[strong cave]

If I wanted that, I'd just go jump on GTA Online and look in the sky and see all the mosquitos who use oppressor mk 2

[hearty timber]

this thing too

which is kind of weird when you keep bleeding yourself

[urban latch]

That's another exotic component

[shy willow]

backfire is like extremely slightly more usable than mosquito

[hearty timber]

why everything that look cool keep going into the trash?

[shy willow]

but still free component

[hearty timber]

this is so sadge

[magic pilot]

How does the 20% amp from HF compare to high end smg?

[strong cave]

Best for haspro builds that drop crit damage for hazard protection

[shy willow]

the exotic experience

[strong cave]

In a nutshell: nieche use

[strong cave]

1 kill, all enemies are confused and it has AoK and stacks weapon damage. Built in damage, built in crowd control, built in survivability

[shy willow]

good question

[magic pilot]

I know what hunters fury does

That wasn't what I meant lol

[shy willow]

I mean you're sacrificing crit and also picaro and contractors assuming you want chest and bag talents

[onyx sage]

what's the build look like? i can napkin math it unless raucey knows already

[urban latch]

That's only ever going to work on people who have zero idea how to pvp and you catch while they are farming landmarks

[urban latch]

There's a reason people don't use HF in actual pvp lol

[magic pilot]

most people dont do math though either

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcAOekdwJwDsKJaq6EUcVOE2Zpp6AjFFLIw1+qLh15yYR8fHAPEYYhJM2YA2MM3wKlxJdiUiy6Cd12cdOweX0ggA

[urban latch]

True, but the answer is without the on kill damage stacks high end will out damage HF

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJWVxCBOAdi0wvN2ghsMgA5znLls5Rg4CJWWX2SOKjp8xVMN2DRR-cRmxgSmYMCTAi60jCJMNRAfLnYjYkybk5TKIA

[magic pilot]

if its close enough in dmg it could be worth for beginner pvp since its easier to farm

[strong cave]

I run this with obliterate/companion

And use 1 weapon core

[shy willow]

i've seen it recommended only for this reason really

[strong cave]

Ah these guys are manhunters. Same faces I see frequently, by no means PvE'ers

But the last bit you're right, I catch em off guard 🤣

I've safehouse fought a 1v4 and came out on top, just need to be quick and slippery

[dreamy valve]

I’ve used mosquito, and some npcs still ignore me at max stacks

[shy willow]

the tank experience

[versed summit]

High End vs Hunter's Fury

It's about 17% worse on 0% Headshots, probably pretty similar with Headshot taken into account, But I wouldn't say the ease of farming vs the damage tradeoff is worthwhile. The chest & backpack are by far the hardest to farm, and this doesn't avoid that.

[onyx sage]

unable to access

[versed summit]

Good callout, try again pls

also I calculated this without watch points and coyote mid, I can run the numbers with a maxed watch as well? And coyote close? That may be more relevant in hindsight.

[magic pilot]

True

[magic pilot]

Yea think so

[versed summit]

If only electrique was as easy to farm as Lengmo

[magic pilot]

Seriously

[versed summit]

added a second page with maxed out watch. ends up 2% closer.

[opal peak]

i have a question regarding the saint elmo, is that gun that good ? the talents seems to be a bit meh (like 1 mag of shock bullet per 100 bullet ?) am i missing something important about it ?

[versed summit]

It’s all about the attachments. The extra CHC/CHD & handling from the weapon are great.

[opal peak]

oh right, i didn't noticed the attachements, so the talent is average but the attachements are epic, thanks for the reply

[plain girder]

Is the shocker punch holster shock affected by status effect rolls?

[glossy scarab]

Probably, if the melee procs the same shock status as st Elmo does. Probably wouldn't be worth it though

[fiery igloo]

so i been seeing occasionally that people suggest to use contractor gloves is that really viable? just for the extra damage to armor? especially if you try to build it along a 3 piece providence build

[urban latch]

It really depends on the build. The basic idea is if you can reach the crit chance cap while having CHD everywhere on your gear that it can go, or it's a hsd focused build, then it's worth running.

[fiery igloo]

so not really a go to on a standard high end ar build?

those are my stats rn given i didnt fully optimize the sustats on the crit values yet

[urban latch]

Generally on a Hugh end build like that you'll have 2 spots where you don't need to run chc. So generally foxes and contractors will both fit in there. But say your running an f2000 that is missing a mod slot for chc, then it wouldn't be worth it

[fiery igloo]

but would that contractor glove out do a coyote mask?

[urban latch]

Is this with contractors? This looks good

[fiery igloo]

without

current build

[urban latch]

It doesn't need to be 1 or the other. You can swap the prov gloves for contractors and if your past 15m you'll get the coyotes mid buff (which a lot of people assume to have) and reach the crit cap

[fiery igloo]

ah okay i had some people that said you shouldnt calculate with a potential coyote buff to reach ur assumed crit cap

[urban latch]

I personally don't like doing so, but it's very common to do that

[fiery igloo]

so any multiplicative damage buff is usually really good hence dttoc is so good

so i assume 8% armor dmg outweigh 15% chd?

[urban latch]

It does on armor. The advantage of CHD is it applies to any target

[fiery igloo]

hmmm

[urban latch]

So if your doing lower difficulty stuff it won't help often. But the harder stuff (where min/maxing damage is more important) it will

[fiery igloo]

the armor or chd?

[urban latch]

Dta

[fiery igloo]

well my goto difficulty is heroic anyway or what do you mean with harder stuff?

does the armor which isnt showns as a bar on minigun enemies count as damage to armor?

[woven pewter]

Plates, helmets, shields and robots - it doesnt.

Only dmg to health.

[fiery igloo]

so even for the juggernauts its counting as dmg to health the dmg that is applied to their armor

[woven pewter]

Thays right.

[fiery igloo]

gotcha so wouldnt the dmg to armor be hella niche ? cause i feel like most big threats are usually unarmored elites (juggernauts, robots etc)

[woven pewter]

Dta applies only on white bars, if i could say that.

[vestal ibex]

I'll make it a bit more confusing for ya. DTA does work on the incursion chungas but only them. This might not be correct and needs further testing.

[woven pewter]

But doesnt chungas there have armor bars?

Thats why dta applies them. 😁

[onyx sage]

they have armor plates which you have to break first, before reaching their armor, and then their actual health

like morozova chungas too

[onyx sage]

ah, you meant the lovebirds only have armor bars right

my memory is hazy rn

[fiery igloo]

SOOOO i digged in some threads from a few years ago. and people say essentially: once you hit 150 ish CHD adding or taking away 15 points wont do you much compared to adding 8% of armor damage to a stat that is zero prior to the addition. so i think contractors might be a solid play ???

[onyx sage]

contractor is 8%

[fiery igloo]

well it was rounded i am aware

[urban latch]

This is wrong, I blame hutchler and dod for spreading this

[onyx sage]

again it really depends on the content, whether your enemies have more armor than not

[vestal ibex]

Really? I thought it had been proved, or did it change at some point?

[onyx sage]

i do mostly legendary so i can speak for it

you don't need dta except where you already have it for free like on shotgun

[urban latch]

I went back at looked at early runs if mine and saw dth clearly applying to them

[vestal ibex]

Well DTH working doesn't mean DTA doesn't?

[fiery igloo]

what do you run on legendary if i may ask? strongholds? as a solo regarding legendary it looks like it only has like one playstlye / build am i wrong?

[onyx sage]

they can't both work for the same damage instance

[vestal ibex]

I'm just thinking of how broken this game is sometimes so nothing would shock me.

[onyx sage]

legendary strongholds yeah, i just run either headhunter or striker

[fiery igloo]

so sniper or ar/rifle with 8xscope?

[onyx sage]

no

it's quite a bit complicated,

headhunter is just the chest talent but many weapons can run it, like snipers, m870, regulus, mostly for legendary i run regulus+m870 with hunter's fury

striker is with elmo or famas

[fiery igloo]

are those like "meta" builds for solo legendary or did you come up with em yourself?

[onyx sage]

those are meta outside of legendary too

and no i don't come up with them, most of it just come from the community but they certainly can be adapted based on the playstyle of each player

[fiery igloo]

i thought there were specific builds for legendary or is the general meta automatically meta for legendary?

cause i saw builds that were using some gear sets i never saw (had a long break) and they run like 2 guns with 8xscopes

[onyx sage]

well not really, legendary is among the hardest stuff you can do in the game. it's more likely that builds you find to be meta in legendary can apply to other things as well like incursion (like striker with chest) or raids (somewhat lesser extent), but not the other way around; you can't use eclipse fire which is really strong in lower difficulties in legendary without gimping yourself

legendary is different enough from other parts of the game that it has its own category of effective builds, but my point is it doesn't just have "one playstyle/meta" as you said

[fiery igloo]

ah gotcha

i was unable to find any builds for legendary in the spreadsheet or did i just overlook it?

[onyx sage]

there's not really a guide for it

[opal peak]

you have legendary variant in multiple build iirc but not legendary build directly

[woven pewter]

Ah, common nego set with focus/perfect focus talent, that utilizes 8x scopes.

[fiery igloo]

yea that essentially

[onyx sage]

maybe i should make one hmm... but tl;dr you have either damage dealers or support in legendary.

damage dealers are striker/nego/headhunter primarily. you can have hybrids like high end PFE/striker PFE/etc. that trade some damage for more surv

support is FI healer or eclipse CC

[fiery igloo]

the thing is i only saw guides or builds for DUA stronghold but i assume i can use the build on the other ones too or are their distinct strategies for them?

[urban latch]

Here's a picture of dth not active on armor and active on health for a regular ad, and dth active on armor plating and heath on a chunga

[onyx sage]

and regarding the 8x scope, that used to be quite common when shield peeking was still here and people used it with focus, now you can't really shield peek so it's less used now

[fiery igloo]

so 8x scope is kinda like a relic ? and not viable?

[onyx sage]

you can still use it and it's still viable, it's just that you can't hide behind cover with the trick anymore so you will take damage. you can still use it in teams

[fiery igloo]

what is "the point" of legendary stronghold and what other content is there?

besides some of the cosmetics

[onyx sage]

nothing, it's just a niche content type you can do just like any other

if you want to do it it's probably just because you want to experience how different the legendary AI is and the strategies you can put together to deal with them

[fiery igloo]

ah so its kinda like a personal achievement and forcing it solo is just a cherry ontop?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[fiery igloo]

oh i see so i shouldnt really worry too much about it i guess especially if dont have my watch leveled and have other builds done and minmaxed

[onyx sage]

it's just something that's too hard to warrant getting good at it if i can say so

if you have the time for it then by all means

[fiery igloo]

so if i can "no life"? essentially

[onyx sage]

ye

[fiery igloo]

ah gotcha

[onyx sage]

i'm poking myself as i say it cuz it's basically the only content i do now

[fiery igloo]

i assume it can lead to burnout too. i assume easier than just grinding "regular content"

[onyx sage]

i just matchmake legendary and carry people nowadays

[fiery igloo]

ah u dont do it solo?

[onyx sage]

no I've soloed all of them

but just so i can say i do it, not much else

[fiery igloo]

i assume getting the weekly exotic is worth only if u got a squad as its quicker

[onyx sage]

yeah, most of the time

[fiery igloo]

would i need a legendary optimized build for it or would a regular high tier meta build be good enough in a group?

[onyx sage]

if your squad knows how to run it. if you're doing matchmaking it's likely they just play turret drone and make the run super long

if you have a good striker build you can just use it

[fiery igloo]

oof the turret stuff i read about and it sounds mad boring

[onyx sage]

striker is great, headhunter also great against humans

[fiery igloo]

but headhunter was a chest talent no?

[onyx sage]

i mean the whole archetype of headhunter

[fiery igloo]

so a dedicated build ?

[onyx sage]

headhunter builds are used not just in legendary but they're also meta in legendary

it's not "dedicated to legendary" per se

[magic pilot]

Striker is fine for ftc legendary

[fiery igloo]

understood was thinking about doing a headhunter/sniper build with an svd but i heard its not really the best or good

[onyx sage]

it's rather the svd not being good for headhunter

the way headhunter works requires a high base damage weapon

svd is rather low because more of its power comes from rpm, weapons are balanced around making either rpm low and base high or vice versa

[fiery igloo]

ah so ranger would be better i assume on higher rpm dmrs?

or is there a whole different approach

[onyx sage]

not really, i haven't really made an investigation into spammy mmrs

but you don't really use them in legendary either, striker/headhunter just beats it

[fiery igloo]

oh the build was meant outside of legendary

like a heroic /raid kinda idea

[onyx sage]

you can probably do ranger yeah, i won't speak for it much though

[fiery igloo]

gotcha thanks for the info in general tho

[hexed steppe]

For rifle spamming an m1a cqb probably better than an rpm mmr

[fiery igloo]

gotcha :)

should i run a rifle on a regular ar dps build as a secondary primary? it looks like it in the builds spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

I do. I run m1a cqb on nego, highend, and even strikers.

It's always either boomerang or if I use tech spec I'll use flatline

[fiery igloo]

how come are shotguns not optimal?

[hexed steppe]

Rifle meshes really well with ar crit builds itll usually have the same chc as your ar or 5% less if running elmo, and comes rolled with chd second stat

[fiery igloo]

dttoc is meta on any gun right?

[hexed steppe]

Shotguns used a lot for stacking (acs), or in headhunter hunter fury builds (870)

[hexed steppe]

Yeah pretty much

[fiery igloo]

ah so as long as i dont have striker or fury i can just do ar and dmr build. i noticed at times that i have to stretch my ar out a bit too much. do you use the same crit mods on m1a or a scope?

[hexed steppe]

Same crit mods, you could do 8x scope if taking advantage of focus chest , but c79 is better option otherwise.

[fiery igloo]

gotcha thanks for the advice so m1a is the goto or can i use any rifle?

[hexed steppe]

M1a cqb offers highest dps potential. Try a few tho and see what your personal preference is

[fiery igloo]

i guess whenever i am out of optimal AR range i just swap to the rifle then

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, it's nice when you want to be lazy and npcs are taking forever to close in on ya 😅

[fiery igloo]

yeah will definetly look into it and grab me a rifle was thinking to get the scorpio as people say its hella busted but i am unsure. tbf i wouldnt know what exotic weapon to run instead or if i need one at all

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio is good, especially for rogues since its applying status while taking chunks out of them. Good to keep in bag for hot swapping as needed

[steel mason]

@onyx sage what is your leg3ndary set up? I would assume a leg setup would hold in heroic solo

@hexed steppe it appears I have optimized my attributes for my sryker build. Still trying to find the perfect ceska. But no luck so far. I guess all that's left is to level up the expertise on the set and guns. Hopefully that will boost my survivability and give me more dmg

I tried rolling blues for more survivability, but man even at 1.4 mil armor. It's like nothing to the npcs lol

[hexed steppe]

dont expertise any gear until you are overflowing with mats. with everything at 20 its just about 1 blue core. weapons are a better investment

yeah, the biggest thing is using cover to your advantage for survivability

[steel mason]

Right on.

[onyx sage]

well sort of. in legendary i run a striker variant that uses the chest, but in heroic solo you'll probably not reach 150 stacks enough to make it worth it, so you can use the obliterate variant

here are my current 3 most used legendary setups

the striker setup probably wouldn't be used very much in heroic, but the 2 headhunter setups are very good for open world heroic

[magic pilot]

No ekims long stick?

[onyx sage]

nah, i prefer optimist over it, but even still i switched to sr-1 now

[primal grove]

this weapon good?

[onyx sage]

not really

[primal grove]

sadge

[onyx sage]

if anything it should be strong enough in heroic and the high rpm feels quite good

but the base damage hampers it from being a top performer

[primal grove]

i swear i was farming AR's and then this droped 💀

[serene hare]

Just asking, but the chinese gear brand buff the cluster seeker mine damage, right?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[serene hare]

Thank God.

Am I stupid or the p-017 really deals no damage to anybody?

I really don't get how that rocket launcher works.

[magic pilot]

Tag the same enemy more than once

[solar sable]

I failed to look at this builds stats but got a ss on time at Conflict.

[serene hare]

Damn, I got baited into believing that I could stack overcharge infinitely by getting all 5 skill tier from sets +1 from the skill tree.

[hexed steppe]

oc always has a cooldown. you also need something with a talent that will overcharge, which lists the cooldown. accostas, btsu, or future perfect talent are it afaik

[serene hare]

Yeah, I see.

Pretty shit tbh, insync is way better and all high end set is more viable too.

[hexed steppe]

i use btsu a lot with mortar for oc. its got the longest cooldown but its still able to be procced a lot

[short cobalt]

im looking to make an armor regen dps build for playing with a group. Any suggestions?

[hexed steppe]

oh you were using future perfect XD . yeah its kinda shit

[serene hare]

What is the named version of future perfect, perfect future perfect?

[hexed steppe]

probably something like striker, gunner spec and maybe bellstone or palisades piece.

striker has enough dps to be flexible with the build

[short cobalt]

i wanna use eagle bearer but wat should my 2nd weapon be?

[hexed steppe]

personally i would use memento even in a group, but not everyone thinks its good like that

[hexed steppe]

smg/shotgun/rifle if going for tenacity you probably wont be using the secondary.. maybe mop tho since it also has some armor on kill

[hexed steppe]

future perfection

[short cobalt]

ok

[hexed steppe]

there is also the umbra gearset that has some build in healing and damage buffing as long as you take advantage of cover mechanics

hunters fury also has armor on kill built into the set

[short cobalt]

would u go striker or hunters fury?

i like to run and gun

[hexed steppe]

personally, striker. but i dont like being in npc faces

if comfortable being close an personal then hunters fury is really strong. there is also a disorient on kill with it

[short cobalt]

ok

full reds, full blues, or equal?

[hexed steppe]

all the sets i mentioned will be in the pinned sheet in this channel. i usually go all red , but its really preference. you can kinda tinker on the fly if needed so maybe try full red first, but keep a couple options in bag with an armor core so you can hotswap.

[short cobalt]

catharthis or coyotoes mask?

[hexed steppe]

coyote if you can fit it into the set. a lot of times for catharsis to be a benefit youll need to be able to take a lot of damage for it to proc a heal. coyote will be possible damage for you and team. if doing cqb that coyote buff will be all chd and be a big boost

depending on team makup you might think about some other options like a crowd control eclipse or damage buffing future initiative healer build. both would require team to already have some dps or strong skill damage builds

[short cobalt]

should i use hunters fury chest and backpack or yellows instead?

is bloodsucker or ardenline rush better for group play?

[shy willow]

Generally HF is run with the backpack and chest slot free for high end

Or exotic

[hexed steppe]

i would use highend for both. like obliterate or unbreakable chest, both bloodsucker and adrenaline are good for bag. adrenaline doesnt require a kill

if going with a defensive bag talent i would definitely use oblit on the chest

adrenaline rush and intimidate chest is a good combo again since intimidate got reworked

[short cobalt]

k

ty

my watch is under 300 should i try to get close to crit chance cap or wat would be an ok crit chance to be at?

[hexed steppe]

for close buff coyote or no coyote you want to be 55-60. close to cap

mid coyote buff would be ok at 50

[short cobalt]

ok ty

wat skills would be ideal or is tht personal preference?

[hexed steppe]

I would go shield and probably revive. Shield can help you get to cover, revive can pick you up if you dont make it

[short cobalt]

ok

thts wat i was thinking too but just wanted 2nd option

[hexed steppe]

Decoy can also be a good option. Double tap it as you are moving and it can take some of the heat

[short cobalt]

ok

[hexed steppe]

Spec are pretty flexible. Obv gunner for the aok, but tech can be good for shield since it has a free yellow core, or firewall since the striker shield gives you an amp damage to targets that are within its cone

[short cobalt]

wat talent on the mop?

[hexed steppe]

Since it's just backup for when you get low armor, maybe preservation. Doubles down on the healing aspect.

[short cobalt]

k

[dreamy valve]

Is Doctor Home just group preservation?

[wise swallow]

doctor home is just useless

[dreamy valve]

I’m not getting much feedback from that gun healing wise. The percentage is so minuscule I can’t even notice it

[shy willow]

Blue FI makes it work

[wise swallow]

it functions sure

[tulip charm]

Blue fi 🫠

[shy willow]

Not sure how it is in practice I haven't put it together but I hear if it feeds back enough it's pretty good

[tulip charm]

Personally too much clicking when i can fully heal in 2

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real blade]

Guys, couple day’s a go i asked about tank build around striker build. And i feel it’s a bit time consuming to farm all the gears with my work schedule. Is there a pure tank build that easy to build?

[shy willow]

Foundry bulwark but it's trash

Pure tanks mostly are

[real blade]

Ah i see! How about a hybrid damage tank build?

Beside striker and hunters

Because i want to help my friend to get oreo

[hazy steeple]

Ouro really doesn't require a tank build to get, using Striker in the Incursion will probably do as well if not better.
and the Incursion version of Striker is actually quicker to farm than the regular version, as it doesn't even use the ceska chest.
tl;dr Incursion Striker: Coyotes, 4x striker (including backpack and chest) and one random remaining part being ceska.

[real blade]

Ah i see, so it’s okay. The striker chest is important?

[solar sable]

You always want that 4pc striker, so yes.

[solar sable]

you forgor bloody knuckles

[hazy steeple]

That's good for an alternate setup within the Incursion, but you'll want the coyotes+chesst version too.
actually that one is good for anywhere that enemies have super high health pools, so basically anyhting that's not the bulk of Heroic content.

(that being said, having a really good Ceska mask will help fill in on a lot of builds where you would normally have Coyotes but someone else already does)

[real blade]

Okay noted, thank you so much. Appreciate it

[hazy steeple]

the one Doomz mentioned is specifically for boss DPS stuff. It is REALLY good for that though.

no worries Agent, good luck and happy Challenging Countdown farming

[limber zealot]

question: I just hit 40, cleared the DLC, and currently working on my Recalibration library. Are there any recommendations for a starter build for a fresh agent? I currently am making do with a very suboptimal Strikers build for now

[shy willow]

Strikers is great to have

[limber zealot]

I see. Glad I'm on the right track so far. Wish Countdown was more populated at this time tho

[hazy steeple]

As long as you're playing on Challenging, you'll find people fast.

anything below that is not worth doing, and above is only really worth it with a dedicated team.

[real blade]

Ah i see, so if i use bloody knuckles. The mask is striker right?

[hazy steeple]

That version of it uses both the Striker backpack+chest, so which piece that's Ceska is up to you.
Holster/mask/knees, just pick one.
I like making it the Mask since then I can change minimal pieces around if I need to.

[real blade]

noted, thank you so much

[winged vector]

Wich weapon should I use for a striker build?

I was thinking about the f2000

[devout agate]

Pve?

[winged vector]

Yes

[devout agate]

I’m not sure

[devout agate]

I would use f2000

Just change the damage to armor to damage to target out of cover

[winged vector]

Yeah that is what was thinking aswel the f2000 has Strained on it

[devout agate]

Yeah

Why not just use Elmo’s?

[winged vector]

Would this be a good rifle to use becide it?

[devout agate]

Idk about rifles

[winged vector]

To be honest I never found that weapon yet and I don’t know where to look 🤣

[devout agate]

Ohh ok so

[devout agate]

You know what countdown is?

[winged vector]

Yeah but I haven’t touched it yet.

[devout agate]

You know where the summit is on your map

[winged vector]

I do

[devout agate]

Hover over it and it should let you be able to change your loot allocation

Just change it to Assault Rifle

And matchmake for countdown on Challenging

And farm that for a bit

[winged vector]

😎👍

[devout agate]

You can get the chameleon and the Elmo’s

[winged vector]

Will do

[devout agate]

And more F2000 with better rolls

It’s pretty nice

[urban latch]

Rifles won't synergize with striker because the whole idea is about landing shots to build stacks

Something like an acs12 is amazing because each shotgun pellets counts towards striker stacks, and the acs is the fastest firing shotgun

[woven flower]

thought u could only get elmos from a season pass

[vestal ibex]

Elmo is in the general exotic pool and can be gotten from random drops/TL ARs/exotic caches.

[woven flower]

oh ok

[devout agate]

U can get it from almost anywhere I think

[hazy steeple]

once a Season Pass is over, the Exotics contained within are added to the general loot pool, best obtained via Targeted Loot.

[woven flower]

[sly pollen]

striker build or hunterfurry for a solo pve?

[urban latch]

It really just comes down to preference, both are great options

[tawdry flare]

There is only one build the rule them all build one gear set rule them all /s

[onyx sage]

hunters fury headhunter

[tawdry flare]

Headhunters fury I see yes that is nice

[hexed steppe]

I've found that I never use acs/lefty on striker* since elmo builds stacks regardless. Been slapping an m1a cqb on as a long range weapon. It may not synergize perfectly, but if you already have stacks from an ar, the rifle will still hit like a mack truck

[tawdry flare]

I use nemesis in clutch on striker

[hexed steppe]

Elmo is my exo already

[tawdry flare]

comes in handy in tidal matchmaking swap off of elmo

The guy at the turrent massacres the group

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, probably a goo idea to swap off the stacking weapon

[tawdry flare]

You don't understand how crucial that is

[hexed steppe]

Ide just swap over to a 6pc 5.11. Let that carry me through

[glossy scarab]

hmm. i have nothing in the build that would make this happen but i got some extra ammo in the AR pool

[tawdry flare]

It will be way too ezy

[hexed steppe]

Or get my boy nerf to carry me

[tawdry flare]

I have quit playing TC TD2 like 511 hours ago

[tawdry flare]

Acosta or ammo dump?

[slate nest]

the destiny 2?

[hexed steppe]

I send out the backup call anyways... better have a fast connection to get that shit reinstalled quick

[glossy scarab]

na its just a red dps

[strong cave]

[onyx sage]

emp sticky where

[blissful halo]

so, got my elmo's, not the best gear just yet, but im happy with the damage 🙂

[vestal ibex]

Just know the shooting range DPS is not reliable.

[tawdry flare]

I meant a npv operated turrent not the final one

[tawdry flare]

Hey soul it's been a while

[onyx sage]

yes i mean that lol

just emp sticky the dude to yank him off

[tawdry flare]

He is weird he goes back to tureent

[onyx sage]

kill him before he does so

[tawdry flare]

Wait dien

[tawdry flare]

Can't kill him if you don't have the game installed 511 iq moment

I see roter blitz meme

[onyx sage]

yes

[fiery igloo]

is the merciless rifle exotic anygood?

[hexed steppe]

It's a good component

[fiery igloo]

damn :(

i want an ak exotic that aint poop

[pseudo grove]

Build for dz

[magic pilot]

^ @pseudo grove

Both of these for AR

[slow gyro]

Yay I can shard merciless I guess

[solar sable]

What was the talent for 1886?

[shy willow]

If you mean the Virginian, perf boomerang

[jagged hare]

I’m running pretty much your stock-standard Strikers build, however I don’t use a Shield (Striker Drine) What is a good alternative backpack talent to Vigilence?

[onyx sage]

striker backpack, you don't really run vigilance on striker anyway

[jagged hare]

Oh wait, I am running Striker backpack. I’m sitting at work with a different build running through my head 🤦‍♂️

[steel mason]

Question. is the Negoitators the same as stryker? 4 pieces with cotoyes and ceska?

[strong cave]

Yes

But annoying to use

[steel mason]

how so

[strong cave]

If you like shooting EVERY target to spread damage, feel free

[steel mason]

hmm

I like rolling solo, so that might actually be worth

[strong cave]

Each target marked will take 60% damage from each enemy hit. So if you mark 5 targets and focus DPS on one, the other enemies take 60% of the damage

With backpack, it goes to 100

It's not good for solo imo

Only really shines in countdown or raids

[steel mason]

Hmm, well whats a good AR build that isnt stryker or HB

[strong cave]

You could go high end spotter

[steel mason]

Is that in spreadsheet?

[strong cave]

Crits for upwards of 1m instantly

I'm not sure, I come up with my own builds

[steel mason]

Oh, you mind sharing with me then? lol.

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJAnFODEcAZuVudsBBNLFKBc5dnKMHIU5by8tgJ1i-PqzBdg0emNFVIqScg60kkJAHYyrThpBKV4NQA4QxgKx9sE+peDKQd0wlDHTzbOeoQpMS-1xQcy4ECHM9ZiA

Here's my spotter

For me, I usually hit mid to long range so I run double walker and Harris

Close range go ceska

[steel mason]

Alright, I'll check it out, thanks

[strong cave]

It's a fun build, can run pretty much whatever. Use it as a template

[strong cave]

Pvp version just swap to a vigilance backpack

[tulip charm]

You should still try nego. People underestimate how good nego is. 90% of the time you dont need a ton of st damage that striker provides.

[strong cave]

^^ it ain't bad, it's just... Who wants to spend time shooting every target and then focusing DPS on one guy to transfer damage 😭

But, with a rav build, nego is broken

[tulip charm]

You dont have to shoot everything which you already are with most dps sets anyway :/

Max is 3 target

[shy willow]

Nego is insanely good

But you gotta make the most of the marks

Also an aggro drawing machine

Mobile decoy

[bright raptor]

yeah both times I've taken Negotiator's to Legendaries I get focused over a skill tier 1 decoy fast

[tulip charm]

Nego so strong you become the decoy xd

[strong cave]

I have a love-hate relationship with nego. Super funny to watch damage transfer after getting marks but a little obnoxious having to hit 1 target, another target, then the last one, THEN focus DPS for the transferred damage across all 3. I use it with ravenous and its such a good countdown build but I still feel like I'm not keeping up with the straight DPS guys lol

That's pretty much my only complaints with it

[shy willow]

I just tag weaker stuff then focus on tankier enemies

Ideally ones with armour cuz contractors

[strong cave]

I have the basic setup for my nego build, main guns being the p416 and rav, coyote mask with a ceska obliterate chest, rest all nego for crit damage

I think I'm chilling close to 55-60 CHC and about 190% CHD without the coyote buffs

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXGOU1YQB2AVi00ouwE5wCi58qXqlpVRXvqxQOYFIT2S5+hYZJbZgkUOSYwwADhiROYOrK69iIfMA3hUkJMTrTgYJPlJ7yqBM2HZIM6H3Ae906KCTcQA

^^ exact 1:1 build, I was right. Rav CHC could be slightly higher but honestly I'll leave it at 52 since coyotes is there. I'd rather not be up close and personal, hit em from a fair distance

[urban latch]

Are you using the rav for 1 shots or as an actual weapon?

I guess just as a regular weapon since you don't have DCH...

[hexed steppe]

just hitting an add spawn will most likely see you marking 3 targets right at the start of engagements. the nego mechanic is dead simple. if youre actively paying attention to what youre shooting you shift to a new target when current target is like half health/armor and let the transfer finish them off.
nego is 😍

[glossy scarab]

even when you only have 2 enemies marked it still seems to work great. and theres always gonna be plenty of moments where you just gotta take out the one guy in front of you. i haven't tried negotiatrix dilemon in countdown before, that sounds fun

[strong cave]

Just as the weapon itself, it hits pretty damn hard and when I need to mark enemies rapidly I just swap to the p416. @hexed steppe I try to keep myself positioned by ad spawns always so I can mark em and do my job but heh yeah those striker kiddies love to run directly in front of you 🤣 @glossy scarab super fun in countdown, definitely worth it. It's even more fun taking a true Patriot ninjabike build and using 2pc brazos for the even higher mag size. Chameleon rips because countdown is a target rich environment and you get 91 bullets to play with

Drop a booster hive, pull out the max tier shield, hose down bullets 🤠

[glossy scarab]

right on 🤘

[urban latch]

Your really over thinking nego which is causing your issues. The rav is used on it for one shots.

[tawdry flare]

The rav* is only used for one shots

[strong cave]

Oh I know, I just wanna use rav on it so it's not a waste of space in my stash lol

[dull ermine]

Play IH you’ll need rav quick

[hexed steppe]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbsNG2U1yBcwAslHzAOwCsapKGAnGAlPljuWWugGy6ziNdPSbhQceQjNjhRaw4ZhZsOIBCAAcVEBQ4VwqhF3QgIVHJoTBYLWIpI75bHEQJhLYFgzLoIuqKGqf7OibLIgA
how i would run.
nego really nice when you also consider that the transferred damage is conditioned on the target, not the marks. so if you have dttooc and target is out of cover, marks will take that extra damage even if theyre in cover.

[strong cave]

I like that, I have a nego mask with Max attributes and will probably try that out. I mostly just run coyotes for the fact it helps me and the team out and hitting distance shots gives me max CHC, midrange gives me max CHC and enough crit damage to go over 200%, and then close range I get the 200% regardless bc 190+25 is well above 200 lol

I went with demo because rav explodes primers and I'm pretty sure having explosive damage increases the primer damage??? I'm spit balling so if somebody knows if it does or doesn't increase damage, by all means speak up. Plus I figure I could use mortar turret when I'm hunkered behind cover and need to take focus off of me

[urban latch]

Rav isn't impacted by explosive damage, only weapon damage

The marks can also crit, so if your noticing inconsistent numbers based off the amount of stacks you have, that's why

[strong cave]

i figured it wasnt, thats a bummer. eh, it still goes boom boom so im gonna run it on a demo class anyways :D

[late barn]

what’s the logic behind the ceska chest yielding slightly more dps than other options on the spreadsheet’s striker build

like with oreo

[onyx sage]

it allows you to allocate more crit damage

[magic pilot]

ceska gives you more chc than any other possible way to stack crit, which means it saves you attributes on stuff like gearsets where crit is going to be lower, allowing for more chd than running a grupo piece at the same chc

[pseudo grove]

Best tank build to run

[tulip charm]

A dps with blue cores

Unless you truly want a tank they aren't good and very niche atm.

[spring wraith]

Hey guys, brand new to the game, only level 40 watch atm. I have a history raiding and I love raiding, WoW, GW2, FF14. I was wondering if there were any resources for raid builds so I can start combing through drops and see what build to make.

[versed summit]

Go ahead and check out the pinned spreadsheet & put together a high end red build. That will get you started for a FTC. Afterwards you can start making builds for specific roles

[spring wraith]

Thank you!

[devout agate]

Is this good for pvp?

It’s a headshot regen build I’m gonna switch the red cores to blue

[urban latch]

If those are Regen attributes they really aren't worth it

[devout agate]

Why

I wanna make a build with catharsis

[solar sable]

You have those at the spreadsheet by Prodigy and many other people

[versed summit]

Regen minors are very… minor. Not really worth it unless you literally have nothing better to take.

[devout agate]

How would I build EB with catharsis

I’m struggling

[magic pilot]

First of all you don't have enough armor to build for regen

And you only have 1% regen

For EB just build for the meta

[wise swallow]

if its headshot regen and for whatever odd reason you dont wanna use haz pro regen rolls are fine tbh

only other then you could do is CHC or weapon handling

both of which are meh

but theres alot wrong with that build

[tulip charm]

I mean if you’re gonna run regen don’t you want to prioritize running stuff like emperor kneepads, gils or golan since % based regen is way better?

[magic pilot]

Yes

No point in going just minors unless you are already packed with regen %

[wise swallow]

yea but as a second attribute where possible

[magic pilot]

Droplets in the ocean

[wise swallow]

drops make puddles

or something like that

[magic pilot]

1.8+ million armor > % regen > Armor regen attributes

[shy willow]

Attributes work better with more % regen iirc

And percent regen better with more armour

[magic pilot]

Attributes are the same regardless

They are just so low there's no point unless you can't stack any more regen from brands or emperors

[shy willow]

Oh damn they don't scale

Rip

[dreamy valve]

lul just slap on Memento

It will do the work of all 6 of your current slotted gear

[wise swallow]

you can have 3 at the same time

[magic pilot]

Not worth without going in that order

6% regen doesn't do shit at 800k armor lol

[restive python]

What's the build I want to go with if i just want to spam seekers everywhere? Currently running 4 HW, 1 China and 1 Wyvern, cluster seeker and reinforcer hive

But any other choice?

[onyx sage]

that's the best one for spamming them

[cyan drift]

My mate and his "Wark" shield...

Realistically how would this be balanced? I guess if you could sprint full speed with it?

[half cosmos]

got hunter at heroic with my heartbreaker build