td2-build-advice

[turbid dawn]

Since I already have the ceska gloves with chc and chd

nvm I'm a fucking idiot.
You already told me to save a ceska chest piece and a coyote mask for the ideal gear

[pure trench]

One ceska and one grupo

Or coyote yes

[turbid dawn]

54.6% chc

[cinder rock]

is this a decent build? how can i make it better other than improving chc and chd?

[gentle lichen]

You could use an obliterate chest as well as a vigilance bag

You can use glass but probably not yet since it makes you about as squishy as a mosquito

[shy willow]

Slot contractors in for the walker gloves

[turbid dawn]

How'd you get Coyote ?
I know how to acquire it, just curious

[tulip charm]

Exotic caches or farming mask. The former being better.

[cinder rock]

i dont remember 😦 was like 2-3 years ago

[tulip charm]

That explains why you have a he dps instead of striker

[cinder rock]

what does that mean? literally forgot all stuff about game

[cinder rock]

wouldnt that ruin the effect of the 3 pieces? what is the added bonus for that?

[gentle lichen]

It wouldn't and you would gain a ton of damage considering that you're using unbreakable and concussion

[cinder rock]

thanks will check it out

[turbid dawn]

So farming CDs until I puke TLs ?
X)

[tulip charm]

No

[turbid dawn]

I mean if I wanna have both CD tokens and luck for dropping the item, why not combining both ?

[tulip charm]

Ngl you’re better off just optimizing your striker pieces and finding a ceska chest with obliterate and a nice glove/holster/kneepads

Coyotes will drop eventually with all the exotic caches you’ll be buying

[hexed steppe]

Technically since you arent running grupo there isnt really a point to running providence at all. You could add contractors, move walker or fenris swap to another spot and add ceska grupo. This bypasses the hsd gives same crit, adds damage to armor.
Oblit and vigilance obv

[cinder rock]

What does grupo add to the providence? Sorry

[hexed steppe]

Providence gives chd, same with grupo. It's a way of stacking more chd

But if not utilizing like that or for perfect glass you can be doing better without the providence

[magic pilot]

No one is gonna talk about measured?

[hexed steppe]

Whatcha trying to measure

[cinder rock]

@hexed steppe thanks, so 3 grupo, coyote, contractor and walker or fenris if i get you right? And hope for god roll on all of those 😅 thanks. What do you think about ARs btw?

[magic pilot]

^

[onyx sage]

no not 3 grupo

[magic pilot]

Or concussion

[hexed steppe]

1grupo,1ceska ,1foxs, 1contractors ,1coyote, and either walker like you have or fenris for the ar damage.

[cinder rock]

Someone told me to switch concussion to vigilance i think, will try to

[cinder rock]

Ok thanks

[hexed steppe]

Yeah vigilance and obliterate both will help damage

[cinder rock]

Is there an ar that's regarded better?

[onyx sage]

you're using burn out which is a named famas and it's fine, but ideally you use a normal famas with strained, or f2000, or elmo (but you will overcap chc)

[cinder rock]

Thanks, looks like its going to be a journey lol

[hexed steppe]

A good journey. You'll see a big jump in damage.

[slow gyro]

How much armor is acceptable for encounters with hunters?

[onyx sage]

yes

real answer is your armor matters less than you think, you can deal with them at minimum armor

[slow gyro]

What number is considered minimum

[onyx sage]

6 red cores

so around 900k effective HP (726k armor)

your damage matters more

[slow gyro]

So having 1.8M armor is bad?

[onyx sage]

not that it's bad, but it's not required

if you find it comfy to deal with them with more armor, it's completely fine

[slow gyro]

I just feel that without that much, any time I'm exposed I get chewed up

[onyx sage]

but it's not necessary at all. there are ways to avoid damage after all

[slow gyro]

Also is it safe to use the decoy, or do they hack it?

[tulip charm]

Foam is one good way aswell

[onyx sage]

it's completely safe. they cannot hack it

[slow gyro]

I've never tried foam, ever

[onyx sage]

foam is really good

foam grenades from the gunner spec or foam launcher are both excellent

[slow gyro]

I don't have gunner yet, but I'll try the launcher

[onyx sage]

it's one of the best skills in the game. downside is it's only against humans

[slow gyro]

St elmo works great for robots, at least for me, or scorpio

[onyx sage]

you can use scorpio against everything, incidentally it's excellent against hunters

having that on demand stagger + crowd control makes hunters a cakewalk

[slow gyro]

Yeah, I've wrecked a couple with that, as long as they don't get skill on me first

[onyx sage]

and also of course your experience matters a lot, it factors into how much armor you'll actually need

[slow gyro]

I can get away with 850, if it's just a hunter and no other damages

[onyx sage]

yeah that's ideal, and you can also try to isolate the other enemies so you can 1v1 the hunter

[slow gyro]

My current issue is the striker drones he deploys that flank me and make me choose or run away

[onyx sage]

yeah. you want to destroy it fast, so having damage helps

[slow gyro]

I'll have to check just how much damage I have

[serene hare]

I'm not really into representativity when it's done poorly (Marvel style, you know), but things like this, that is hidden as easter egg, I think it's kinda cool.

Maybe because the game is too "dark" and we don't see too much colorful things, and finding this gave it a little bit more contrast, Idk.

Every day of a looter shooter player...
Let's go again to finally finish that damn build.

[glossy scarab]

weird dz build i was actually doing well with. 3 skill tiers for the heal hive and defender drone

[hexed steppe]

does the firewall medkit outweigh what you get from another skilltier using tech?

[wise swallow]

yes

Firewall medkit with eff is the strongest healing skill no matter

400% armour over 10 seconds is untouchable

40% armour a second

[hexed steppe]

yeah i noticed that everyday carrier after i posted 😅 . thats kinda crazy heals

[slow gyro]

What backpack is that?

[onyx sage]

ninjabike backpack, extremely niche

[gentle lichen]

It's 150% in pvp

And I believe survivalist offers more armor every sec than firewall but it's 5 secs

[wise swallow]

surv is 100% over 5 seconds firewall is 200% over 10

is basically the same

one does buff your team so maybe its worth it

[gentle lichen]

There's pvp modifier over every spec if you click it and hover over the kit it'll show that it's 150% that also goes for the weapon damage it shows 7%

[wise swallow]

i like longer duration personally

[gentle lichen]

Oh yeah perfectly efficient and survivalist is the go to for teams

[wise swallow]

ik it lowers it i forgor the numbers

[gentle lichen]

Allows for easy kills with kit push yeah

[wise swallow]

and outliving status

I dont think any status build over powers firewall kit (without eff)

surv itll probably still kill you

[gentle lichen]

Honestly sharpshooter does that pretty well

[serene hare]

Do I get Tactical Assessment only through bounties?

[versed summit]

Final bosses from missions give them as well. Bounties are the fastest way though. You can also craft.

[serene hare]

Yeah, I know about crafting it, but I don't have the bp.

[magic pilot]

Sharpshooter is a sleeper kit

[onyx sage]

sharpshooter is goated

i did HHF no shield in zoo with sharpshooter

[dreamy valve]

Whats better, 35% headshot damage or 15% Amp damage?

non marksman, but still aiming for head

[hazy steeple]

Nothing exists in a vacuum, give us the build.

[dreamy valve]

hold on

[opal glade]

upgraded from expertise 7 to 10 maybe a bit more dmg now

i should probably get to 28mil with higher expertise

everything is max roll ofc

[hexed steppe]

cool, ty. are you running dta or dttooc on model 700 3rd attribute

[opal glade]

dttooc

[flint wave]

ninjabike sighting

[glossy scarab]

unfortunately i expertised the dta version before I found the dtoc version so I use that. but one day i'll put the mats into the dtoc version. the expertised one hits just under 28 mil with the hotshot build

[cyan drift]

2 ninjabike builds in a row, keep the train going

still not sure what to change on this, cause it depends super hard on what content you're running

Legendary swaps the alps mask for a chill out (24% pfe) and keeps the lengmo/murak

Heroic stuff keeps the Alps mask but then uses double bellstone instead of Lengmo/Murak

[dreamy valve]

Here is my Bulwark headhunter build. I need to find out the best talent for the sawed off shotgun to use. I'm deciding between Breadbasket or Flatline.

[onyx sage]

breadbasket is literally useless. you can use optimist

[cyan drift]

If it's a headshot damage build, a send-off shotgun might work well for getting the most out of your pellets

[shy willow]

You might want a high end rifle/mantis over nemesis

Considering the range you play hunters fury

[magic pilot]

Use flatline

Unless you mean the sawn off

[glossy scarab]

man this thing gets me killed surprisingly infrequently. having that damage to kill quick to get bonus armor and intimidate helps me stack a ton of bonus armor. just the close range nature of the build isn't that great for much but open world stuff

[vestal ibex]

Just don't get shot.

[glossy scarab]

it doesnt hurt when i have blue bars protecting my white bars

[tawdry flare]

Nope M870 is the 👑

[glossy scarab]

i found this one the other day. keeping it for now

[tawdry flare]

Deconstruction on site if it isn't health DMG or dttoc

[glossy scarab]

yeah i decon those too now bc i have like 5 m870s with dttooc with changeable talent, or pummel talent locked and third attribute changeable

actually i think i already got rid of it. cant find it. might be on an alt

[dreamy valve]

im using sawn off, ignore the primary weapons

[dreamy valve]

currently using it, managing to one shot elites after the first kill

[cyan drift]

send-off is a named shotgun

[dreamy valve]

I was thinking the pellet spread would hit parts that are not the head so I would get the headshot bonus

yeah its a ksg

but Im also using the bulwark with this build

what is the optimist damage bonus after the first shot?

[dreamy valve]

im going for Scorpion

maybe Ravenous to deal with bots

[tawdry flare]

Deconstruction on site if it isn't health DMG or dttoc

[onyx sage]

the hsd doesn't make up the bulk of your damage, and the moment you get headhunter you don't want to hit the body ever

[tawdry flare]

Wut the fak 2 times ina row same message

[glossy scarab]

did discord repeat yourself?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah looks like it

[dreamy valve]

So is

optimist better than flatline

[onyx sage]

well if you don't have technician pointer yes

in this case, that is true

[dreamy valve]

hmm ill try optimist

[tawdry flare]

The best talent on a critical build shotgun is fast hands

[dreamy valve]

i can then switch to tech for the extra skill core and change a blue core to red

[tawdry flare]

If close and personal has 15m range it would have been the go to

[serene hare]

4 legendaries in a row (only 2 got new stuffs tho).

[serene hare]

Ok, which talent should this weapon have?

I'll not deconstruct it this time.

[magic pilot]

Boomerang, rifleman, or flatline

@serene hare

Ranger is decent

[devout agate]

Is this a good heal build

[flint wave]

no

atleast run FI chest

[devout agate]

What’s FI chest

[fresh grove]

Future initiative

[flint wave]

future initiative chest piece upgrades the ground control talent from 15% damage buff to 25%

[signal pelican]

Hey is there any good striker setups that are tanky?

[fresh grove]

6 blue striker

[flint wave]

second step would be to remove ninjabike and opt for opportunistic backpack and using scorpio instead of capacitor

[flint wave]

memento striker with atleast 2 blue cores

[signal pelican]

Right now I'm using memento striker mask with crit chance and protection from elites chest piece with crit damage and protection from elites holster is striker and has crit damage. Palisade with crit chance and crit damage gloves need to be swap for either crit damage or crit chance. Memento protection from elites.

My crit chance is at 50% with 72% crit damage

[flint wave]

Palisade pretty overkill at this point try ceska

[signal pelican]

Ceska would give 10% crit chance but then I'll lose the 10% armour on kill

[flint wave]

between big memento bonus armor and the armor regen that comes from long term memento talent you have a bunch of survivability already

[signal pelican]

Also the crit chance would go above the 60% already. My stuff ain't fully optimized

[flint wave]

u just remove crit chance until ur not going over the cap of 60%

[signal pelican]

OK lol

I also run gunner specialist BTW to

[flint wave]

same

got that built in aok

[signal pelican]

Yep lol

Wouldn't I run a grupo instead? I have a godroll that has crit damage and weapon handling. It would give me 27% crit damage

@flint wave

[ancient dune]

Are you using SMG?

[signal pelican]

No. St elmos

[flint wave]

I use ceska wirh st elmos even with the memento build

[signal pelican]

What's your total crit hit damage and chance. I wish I was able to get one out of cover for dps buy instead I got a groll health damage assault rifle damage and 9.5 crit chance.

[ancient dune]

Do you have every gear piece rolled to crit damage?

[signal pelican]

Almost

1 piece is crit cc and crit cd

Which is my palisades

[flint wave]

this build gets exactly 60% crit chance I forgot exact crit damage but it was between 90 or 100

[ancient dune]

Hm I count 20% from gun, 10% from watch, 12% from gear attributes making 42% total where is the rest coming from

[flint wave]

completely forgot crit damage then

Watch is 20% crit damage

[ancient dune]

100% sounds about right since you're running 3 pfe and memento has no attributes

[signal pelican]

29.5 from gun 10% from shd 6% from pands and OH 1 piec of striker is crit so another 6%

[ancient dune]

🤔 why are you running crit chance on your gun it should be dttooc

[signal pelican]

Because it came god roll with it

[ancient dune]

Replace that shit that ain't a god roll til it has dttooc

[signal pelican]

And I just started playing. I don't have resources

My expertise is 4 and my watch is 250

[ancient dune]

Fair enough that'll be where some CHC will drop from though

Once you have some mats to push through it

[flint wave]

Figured it out it's 58 chance 101 damage🛌

[signal pelican]

I maxed out chc first so there's and additional 10% at all times

[flint wave]

good

[ancient dune]

You're running palisades and memento?

[signal pelican]

Yes

And gunner

[ancient dune]

Hm you're probably good to swap that to ceska if you'd like you won't overcap if you roll off that CHC bit on your striker piece

Nothing really wrong with palisades though it's nice to have aok

[flint wave]

who needs ceska with godroll chc attribute elmo

[signal pelican]

Yeah that's what I thought. I was thinking grupo for 15% additional crit damage.

[flint wave]

I didn't know you had a chc attribute elmo so that was probably right

Do try to get a dttoc elmo tho it does not benefit much from 9.5 chc attribute in the long run

[signal pelican]

OK if I find another St elmos I will. I've been very lucky lately.

I have a groll ceska body piece that has intimidated that I run for my pistol only build

2 Chc and chd

Weapon damage though instead

[lime marsh]

It's been 5 month for not playing,how was is vindicator?is it worth to get? maybe st elmo engine got nerf?

[glossy scarab]

st elmos is the same

i tried vindicator in pts only and i decided its not worth it at all

[devout iris]

Any good rifle builds for open world? Cause I wanna enjoy suffering with the worst exotic that being Merciless/Ruthless

[glossy scarab]

M1A CQB

[hazy steeple]

Merci/Ruth is actually pretty great with Strikers.

it's like the BK, just elevates an overall "bad" gun in a way that another build generally won't.

[devout iris]

So like a dps but instead of an ar i should try with a rifle instead

[hexed steppe]

negotiators or highend red are best possible for rifles. whatever you put merciless on is gonna be kinda meh at best

[devout iris]

Which high end gear you might suggest?

[hexed steppe]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9&noteKey=2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9%2F2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&title=The%2BStandard%2BDPS%2BBuild%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

[hexed steppe]

@blissful rampart and @urban latch , ide like to submit this to be added to the hubs (builds) tab in the sheet. ive seen a fair number of people using some variant of this setup in CD matchmaking. it's solid for intended use, but not currently represented on the sheet.
i lifted one of the other guides to keep formatting consistent, hope you dont mind 😅 .

Hazpro eclipse CC evernote

[onyx sage]

i can also add upon approval from them too if they're busy

but it looks fine after some minor formatting error corrections

[dull ermine]

If the tank has to break weakpoints during fieser whats the best weapon to use?

Rav? Stack on feiser?

[versed summit]

I believe a shield splinterer is best. The weak points are health IIRC and the extra WD is heavily weighted on a tank build

[versed summit]

AFAIK the weak points aren’t armor plating, so rav stacks would be useless.

[junior surge]

Yea, shield splinterer reliably does it in 1-2 mags

Any other ar with optimist works well too

[versed summit]

If you can fit it on your build, Hollowman can boost your damage a bit more, but depends on the build if it’s worthwhile.

[dull ermine]

So they’re not the same as razorback weakpoints? Which are buffed by rav stacking?

I used a vector yesterday and it took 4 mags, gonna have to get a SP

[versed summit]

no. yes.

[versed summit]

AR w/Optimist is def biS

[onyx sage]

from a friend who raided with me yesterday and did tank in fieser, rav bonus does work

it's a case by case basis i wager

[versed summit]

On the crucible weak points? Hrmmmmm interesting.

[onyx sage]

ye

[versed summit]

I’ll give it a shot next time I’m there

[onyx sage]

yeah let me know if you found the same

[hollow mauve]

I need a headshot build wirh determend and headhunter anybody got suggestions

[onyx sage]

Sniper Setups

[hollow mauve]

Thanks 🙂

[magic pilot]

367k ticks with OC on this build is that around where i should be?

349k no OC

[onyx sage]

do you have dttooc on your scorpio? but ideally you want a high end shotgun with in sync

[magic pilot]

I got dmg numbers holding glory daze

Max Dtooc

[onyx sage]

hold the shotgun instead

[fiery igloo]

what would be a good approach to an akm build. was thinking strained on the gun with a few brands(grupo, providence, fenris, coyote mask) here and there to get as many bonuses. i didnt play a long while and try to pick things up :) as perks i thought obliterate and maybe not sure whats good on backpack

[onyx sage]

and glory daze you want 5% rof as the last

[magic pilot]

I only use it for incursion turrets

[onyx sage]

yeah i know

[magic pilot]

I'll switch it to rof

And yes I have DtooC on Scorpio

[onyx sage]

you hold glory daze, fire oxi, then swap to shotgun after

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

I'll test it with Scorpio in a little bit

[onyx sage]

yeah those are the numbers you want

[magic pilot]

Or should I run another shotgun in sync?

[onyx sage]

i asked since sub 400k is low but it's expected when holding glory daze

turret oxi is quite hard to proc in sync unless you can shoot something so i wouldn't worry about it

[magic pilot]

Ok

Will get updated numbers in like 10min

388k no OC
438k OC

[onyx sage]

yep that sounds about right

[magic pilot]

im missing 10.6% skill dmg and 2% dta

and .5% dmg on oxi mod

[onyx sage]

yeah that's fine, i can see some of your stats aren't maxed

[magic pilot]

I could max out all the skill dmg besides fox, I rolled all of them before I had it max in library

[onyx sage]

max the dta on scorpio/shotgun first if you have to prioritize

[magic pilot]

I probably will soon

Mats are such a pain at low shd

[onyx sage]

i'm feeling it on my alt mr krabs

[dull ermine]

Ur ps awaits ur return

[magic pilot]

180+ control points and barely any field recon data

[magic pilot]

Tbh I use my ps to charge my phone now

[dull ermine]

That’s the wildest one I’ve heard considering the lack of usb ports 🤣

[magic pilot]

Look it's charging it right now!

[serene hare]

I just wish there was a way to pause the world to take a picture, I think this chainsaw tank looks great.

Unfortunately all the screenshots I took his chainsaw is offplaced.

[serene hare]

I found a barely perfect CMMG Banshee with Optimist, should I change it for Strained or keep it?

[slow gyro]

I never get to find chainsaw tanks in the summit...

[serene hare]

I found it a couple of times

One time he was fighting a BT tank, was fun to watch.

Ok, now I found this other Banshee and I'm getting kinda bored of grinding.

Like, quite a bit.

@onyx sage What you think keep my Banshee with Optimist or change to Strained?

[onyx sage]

unwavering, strained or fast hands will be better

[serene hare]

I have one with Fast Hands already, but I want more damage.

[onyx sage]

unwavering increases your reload speed which is more sustained

reloading faster is more damage

[serene hare]

But if I use Swap Chain, I'll have the same effect.

[onyx sage]

up to you

either banshee or swap chain are strong

[serene hare]

But for Banshee, which one of those 2 talents is better?
I don't wanna use extended clips.

Optimist is better in this case?

[onyx sage]

fast hands

[serene hare]

I don't think you understand.

Do you see this?

I think you do.

Now I also have this:

I'll not make both with Fast Hands.

[onyx sage]

so your original question was interpreted as which talent is better

[serene hare]

Between two I mentioned.

[onyx sage]

i gave you the best options so you can decide accordingly

the gist of what i want to say is avoid optimist

[serene hare]

Why?

[onyx sage]

its gain isn't as big as strained or fast hands...

[serene hare]

So Strained is better, this is what I asked before and you didn't answered

[onyx sage]

it's implied from what i said

out of the two, i said avoid optimist, and extended that by saying not only is strained good, fast hands or unwavering is also good. i gave extra information

[serene hare]

No, it's implied from what you said now, because before I was asking:
"What is better, coke or sprite?" and you answered "water".

But fine, I got the answer now, thank you.

For better DPS in general, Unwavering (which is not needed since I have a perfect Swap chain) and Fast Hands (which I already have a perfect Banshee too).

For those I asked, Strained.

[onyx sage]

this is more like "no, it's sprite, and dr pepper and water are also good"

i did include what you ask along with more options

[serene hare]

Ok, now I got blinded, for some reason I did not see you wrote Strained.

[onyx sage]

lmao

[serene hare]

Anyway, not instead of optimizing this shit only 4 times, I'll have to optimize it 6 times due to readjust the talent.

And I have no materials to do it, and I'm super annoyed.

I only wish this masterpiece was a Thompson instead of a M1928 due to having more fire rate, but damn, this thing rocks.

My Thompson have Preservation for talent.

[onyx sage]

it's really strong

[serene hare]

It deals more damage, but they cannot compare to the broken DPS of Banshee with Fast Hands and Swap Chain.

[tawdry raven]

What's the best talent for cmmg?

[slow gyro]

I guess I'll be swapping out optimist on my vector..

[versed summit]

Fast Hands. Strained can be good if you can deal with the reload, and unwavering is nuts if you're purely using it as a secondary.

[dull ermine]

Difference between 400% and 300% will only really be noticed in the actual handling, reload speed not so much

Swap chain suffers from lack of mod slot

[magic pilot]

Reload bug with swap chain tho

[shy willow]

Reload bug?

[dull ermine]

The 1 sec cap reload speed break is intended with unwavering

[magic pilot]

It works on your other weapons

You proc unwavering and then swap guns and mash reload and fire and it insta reloads

Great for lmgs

Or sleipner

[dull ermine]

Oh I haven’t heard of this

Is that a glitch?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[slow gyro]

Would you like to dismantle my chameleon?

[hazy steeple]

run the available bounties and you'll likely have 5 more.

even if it was an OP super weapon, it's still worth decon'ing them because they're so very common.

[slow gyro]

I scrap dupes, unless they have better stats

[hazy steeple]

When the cap for Exo Components was still very low, there are still probably screenshots around of people whose entire Alts are just Chameleons and Tardigrades.

IIRC I got over 200 components on day 1 of the increase.

be the change you want to see in div2, use Cham' in some good builds. It's still a solid gun, just not the peak of meta.

[slow gyro]

I'm using it now in an experimental hunter build

[hazy steeple]

It's great with HF for sure. Even if it doesn't get the SMG buffs.

[slow gyro]

I meant the nasty hunters, not so much the set, although I would like to also put together a set

[shy willow]

I tried to use it with strikers but it was just eurgh

At least it has a lot of style points

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4Exn5HWU10BcBGAnPSZMCwBWFMtVdANlnzjkwivJYqyilotdfVHy49ulCLk55hQlOhgB2cMAKZmOFdlkFsADk242mLbkXyS8SYnTmh6WegiKqpWYSp7yMwjB1NIb1EA

^^ just came up with a hunters fury idea for pvp, anybody here have any pointers to give? Only time I use HF is when I'm using my chatter build

Completely forgot HF has built in weapon damage increase when in close prox. Yes the backpack talent can be adrenaline rush but I'm thinking of trying to see if I can run double companion 🤔

[shy willow]

Double companion died long ago

[strong cave]

Ah damn, now that sucks :(

Lol adrenaline rush it is

[opal glade]

I liked to play cham for a while and in something like CD it was a solid gun and regularly out damaged other famas striker guys

But since St.Elmos theres no going back - that gun is just a complete powerhouse

[shy willow]

I don't think it was outdamaging any FAMAS players

[strong cave]

When the chameleon stacks are at full, definitely does more damage than a Famas due to the buffs in crit chance and damage... But overall? Famas has instant DPS meanwhile the Chameleon is what I call a "roller coaster" kind of gun. Takes a bit to climb towards the damage stacks, soon as you get them, the damage drops off after 45s

Better off taking a fast hands Famas tbh

Or better yet, take an F2000 as it does more base damage lol

[serene hare]

What's the criterea to spawn them?

[strong cave]

I've been noticing a lot of Aerial Recon drones down in that area lately. I'm pretty sure it's random, but don't fully take my word for it

[opal glade]

Yep - thats right
CD was the only thing i could make the magic happen tho cause plenty of spawns with enough armor/hp to constantly build stacks

But tbh that was a minigame of its own

[serene hare]

It might have some action to spawn it, these days I spawned 3

It was super weird.

[opal glade]

StElmos or a famas are much more laidback and userfriendly

[strong cave]

It makes for a great legendary weapon as well. Sadly, it only has 4 uses: 1, countdown, 2 summit, 3 legendary, 4 an exotic component

I already have one with dttoc and one with damage to armor, anything else I get I just junk it and deconstruct

[strong cave]

Yup same here, must be black tusk is going on their own manhunt as this current one comes to an end lol

[rich lotus]

the more i think about it, the more stupid I think it is so i'm gonna lay this gear set out right now. 4 palisade (2 named: Proxy / Combustor, 1 recalibrated for skill tier), BTSU Datagloves, 1 Brazos. I don't know what to think about of it right now besides the fact that I have an explosive stinger hive that shocks enemies.

need to try and get rid of one of the palisade though that isn't recalibrated or the named for a brazos.

[shy willow]

Running more than 3 pieces of a brand is useless

Same with more (or less) than 4 pieces of a gearset

Hotshot being the only real exception

[magic pilot]

Looks solid, I'd run 6 blue since you have 2 dmg talents though

[pine monolith]

How much does armor matter in heroic/legendary if your build does not include armor reinforcement? Like If I'm just a run'n'gun is there gonna be much of a difference between 1.1-1.3m? Like if you had the choice would you move up to 1.3 or add another 15% damage?

[shy willow]

Realistically armour doesn't matter in heroic or legendary

You'll get shredded regardless

The cores are just nice for the shield

[hexed steppe]

That's really not going to be worth it.
I'll just echo the fact you can only utilize 3pc of brand set, 4 is a waste.
Also, none of the free skill cores are worth it in this case since you'll really be doing nothing to boost your skills otherwise. The named talents on palisades are pretty meh it best.
You can do a very strong mortar build utilizing btsu and stinger hive.
3 empress, btsu, china named bag strategic alignment, last piece would most likely be wyvern.
Glass, kinetic momentum chest talent.
Will be really hard hitting and the btsu oc can bring mortar back instantly if timed correct.

[strong cave]

That's not stupid, I've seen worse lol. Perfect combustor chest, perfect proxy backpack, rest is future initiative and you'll be throwing down healing hives and using a healer chem. I've seen this build used in conflict, it's basically a troll healer build that blows people up. It's mandatory you hold hands with your team, throw the healer hive where most the enemies are grouped together, push to where the hive is and have your team dump mags into the enemies as they're staggered and shocked LOL

But the people above are right, 4 pieces of a brand set is a major waste

[strong cave]

I'm thinking the same thing too 🤔 but damn with the 1 weapon cores and all the crits, I'll be seeing a baseline of 250k crits with Ouroboros. Idk if the build tool factors in hunters fury buffs or the damage talent buffs but I'd imagine it will hit even harder with those

I'm gonna try out the 5 blues 1 reds first, see how it plays. If it sucks, I'll swap it to 6 blues. Rip getting the brand pieces rolled specifically for what I need tho, I'll have to swap the cores out so I can have the option of being able to reswap in case the armor ideas don't work

[slow gyro]

How much crit chance is considered good, and is it worth maxing it out at 60%?

[versed summit]

about 57%-60%, and it depends. you want a CHD:CHC ratio of 2:1, so once you hit cap you naturaly put everything into CHD

[slow gyro]

But does it hinder your other damage outputs or is it just overall better?

[versed summit]

how would it hinder other damage outputs?

[onyx sage]

usually you don't have enough crit so crit is almost always what you want to go for

[hexed steppe]

Higher chc increases the amount of hits that have a crit damage modifier applied.
If you ever want to compare different setups to see which is better overall for dps, multiply chc x chd for build 1, same for build 2. The larger of the 2 will be your optimal chc:chd setup

[slow gyro]

43.5% crit chance was enough to shred 2 hunters with the chameleon, using 4 striker and 2 negotiator pieces. Holy sheet

[onyx sage]

why use 2 nego pieces when you can use 1 ceska 1 grupo...

[tulip charm]

I dont believe that

Unless you had close range buff

[slow gyro]

I don't have those atm

Probably the perk bonuses of the gun itself

[bright raptor]

no, disabling the "countermeasures" in Countdown provide buffs that often severely distort gun performance

[slow gyro]

I wasn't in countdown

[tulip charm]

what world difficulty was it

[slow gyro]

@tulip charm Because I'm going for masks atm, it's on normal.

[hexed steppe]

That explains the shredding

[hearty timber]

What skill is good to sync with ballistic shield? Im just using fixer drone atm

[solar sable]

I can shred a Hunter with a pistol on normal difficulty

[hazy steeple]

@hearty timber If you're fighting factions with lots of electronics, Jammer Pulse is really nice as a way to nuke out multiple things at once.
especially Black Tusk.

[hearty timber]

Hm, that sound nice

[hexed steppe]

Artificer as well from tech spec. Repairs shield passively

[cyan drift]

Place your bets. Does the Yaahl dry spell end tomorrow

Does the clan vendor finally get a shipment

[near depot]

For a full red build,what are best gear sets for dps?

[solar sable]

you have everything located at Hub (Builds) in the 📌 Spreadsheet

[light breach]

does anyone have a tank dps build i can make that can handle legendaries and pvp

[solar sable]

Blue striker works fine, but it may get tedious on legendary, it's recommended to run Red Striker (IIRC striker mask and memento bp).

You have PvP builds in the spreadsheet.

[magic pilot]

Both are separate

[signal pelican]

I'm running this. Any advices to make it better besides saying get damage out of cover? I have St elmos crit attributes 9.5. On my ceska I got 16 so I got 55 crit chance on 1 part. Rest is crit damage on attributes. I run the memento and all blues on striker pieces.

Mods slots are protection from elites.

[onyx sage]

if you meant to go pfe then it's all good, now the question is whether you need pfe since you probably don't need it

[viscid estuary]

I think i fucked up. I played with hotshot before aces and eights and aces feels underwhelming. I'm running 4pc aces (chest/bp/mask/knees) with 2pc air and i think i should do chainkiller chest instead of aces chest? no exotic armor atm. no exotic weapon (haven't finished nem, using a model 700 and not digging that either, gonna farm for an SR-1 instead).

[onyx sage]

chainkiller is key

[signal pelican]

I think I've encountered a glitch I got nemesis to drop in the summit and never build it

[viscid estuary]

well that's a little cheeky

[solar sable]

do you have the blueprint?

[signal pelican]

No

I bought it from the lady

After receiving it from summit

[slow gyro]

Lucky

[hazy steeple]

Did you get it on another character and then buy the blueprints?

[hexed steppe]

not the same. if you had 2 pieces of nemesis then invaded GWH hotel would have given you the craft blueprint. with craft bp it will drop without full project completion

[signal pelican]

I don't have any parts of the nemesis. I was playing summit solo and it dropped. Why what are the steps?

[hexed steppe]

getting a piece in tidal after breaking down adrestia named mmr. then invaded strongholds for the other pieces, manning invaded is a random part. get bp from invaded gwh anytime you meet the 2 part requirement for it to drop

[signal pelican]

Oh

[alpine thistle]

is 12% the highest protection from elites you can get? i dont think ive seen one higher

[onyx sage]

13%

[tawdry flare]

Rare af

[hazy steeple]

@serene hare In the future lets leave posting pictures in #td2-build-advice for actual build advice.

[serene hare]

I just wish there was a media share channel on this server, but there's none.

[hazy steeple]

A meme channel would just devolve into horrible things, we're all aware of this.

[alpine thistle]

i think that's just a general thing that happens to all channels.

[hazy steeple]

It's all to do with image permissions. It's why they're so rare on this server at all, and also why no external emotes.

[tawdry flare]

At least I can have an official 5.11 emote ? Which is official so is there any way to request the feature?

I am on hiatus from div2 please 🥺
AI Best AI

[hazy steeple]

I think it's safe to say that we're not getting more emotes until maybe a new Faction is added with the 2nd DLC.

I will pre-order the expansion if the only emote they add is the 5.11 logo with a strike through it.

[dull ermine]

The expansion is pay to access?

[hazy steeple]

It will be paid like WONY, yes.

It's not going to be released until at least March next year though, so you've got time.

[dull ermine]

Time to start selling lemonade

[fair dragon]

Time to grow lemon trees

[tawdry flare]

Time to get lemon seeds

[strong cave]

More like time to get a job 🤣

[dense seal]

Imma take a second mortage out and hope for the best . . . . .

[gentle lichen]

time to go to the nearest store and show them my 100% discount card

[half cosmos]

Dumb update but my meme nego got me though first assault on capitol not even 1% of the way but yea got me through

[shy willow]

Leg?

[half cosmos]

Yello core negotiator drone sniper and elmo yes legendary

[half cosmos]

This is bs i tried striker i tried hunter even meme builds they are decent and i can get kills DARN FLUFING GRENADES

[urban latch]

What are you trying to do?

Solo legendary?

[shy willow]

Time to sample 6 pieces 5.11

[half cosmos]

Yes and i got past the first stage almost as well

[half cosmos]

I have a tank build of heartbreaker that i use to usually hunt hunters

[half cosmos]

Sorry i got swpet in emotions for this

I swapped games to chill down i understand its called legendary for a reason and won't be a calkwalk like challenging

[urban latch]

Have you seen Hutchlers dua guide? It's not specifically about capital, but there's a lot of good info in there. Solo legendaries are one of the hardest things in the game though, so it is very difficult

https://youtu.be/b6G6MBWnemU?si=dtnAWaJkH4W9jwGA

[shy willow]

If we're talking capitol the one thing I've heard the most is you gotta run straight past everything and into the back

And it's supposed to skip a wave or something

[magic pilot]

rip

[half cosmos]

Yep saw that vid and almost succeed but the bait and switch is a but iffy for me will need to practices to get it down

[shy willow]

"oh no! anyway-"

[half cosmos]

The one i saw was on YT not the one u suggested*

[magic pilot]

its already gone

[shy willow]

Waheyy

[shy willow]

There'll be a bunch of solo capitol leg runs to learn from on youtube

Can observe strats and builds and such

[half cosmos]

Thanks for this btw one of the most clear and sense making vid so far for me

[onyx sage]

https://youtu.be/zVgVp_QteVU check this one out, it's a run with relatively safe strats but won't let you take an hour

[magic pilot]

F

[shy willow]

So close

[fiery igloo]

can anyone help me regarding my current build? is it any good? i didnt play in a long time and just got together something (not fully optimized substat wise. thinking about getting the scorpio as my exotic secondary) currently am farming mats to push up the crit stats :)

[shy willow]

replace the fenris and walker pieces with Providence and it's pretty standard

youll probably wanna swap unstoppable force for vigilance though

and ideally ceska over grupo

although if you haven't already, you should totally get a striker build

[fiery igloo]

i feel like vigilance doesnt suit my playstyle really well as i tend to be more aggressive and dont stick to cover too much. and is 10 crit chance better than 10% raw dmg on AR?

[fiery igloo]

isnt striker mainly suited for higher rpm guns?

[shy willow]

yeah but you stack with a shotgun anyway so it doesn't matter too much

[fiery igloo]

i see

[shy willow]

your shield won't disable vigilance when hit so that's what'll keep it up mostly, and ye crit chance is better

[fiery igloo]

so 3 piece providence instead of of walker and fenris?

i thought raw dmg buff outclasses a bit of crit chance

[shy willow]

ye

[fiery igloo]

u mean the crusader shield? i was thinking to swap to chem launcher instead as shield just seems to insta break anyway so vigilance wouldnt work really well no?

[shy willow]

the brand damage buff applies before red cores so the gains aren't as good

[fiery igloo]

oh i see

[shy willow]

it becomes good in pvp where you run blue cores

[fiery igloo]

ah so raw buffs are favored on tank ish builds and crit is favored on red dps builds?

[shy willow]

the trick is using it as a buffer rather than facetanking with it

[fiery igloo]

meaning? didnt play for a few years so i dunno the optimal ways anymore. it just melts right away on heroic

[shy willow]

in pvp you still run crit but the base damage is super good because you run less reds

in pve if you're running tanky stuff it's usually for a specialised role anyway

[cyan drift]

maybe next week ( ._.)

[shy willow]

like it only buys you time it doesn't really protect you that much

[fiery igloo]

to move from cover to cover?

[shy willow]

pull it out, peek, get a couple kills then duck back into cover

[fiery igloo]

i just feel like chem launcher does so much more value lately whenever i use it as i can just outright negate any actions of high threats.

[shy willow]

if you wanna go cover to cover just use the cover to cover prompt

it ruins enemy NPC accuracy

[shy willow]

thing is it has longg cooldowns

[fiery igloo]

maybe i also got a weird mindset that i dont wanna use armor plates too much is there a reliable way to restock without going to base?

[shy willow]

and most opt for a decoy instead

[shy willow]

if you wanna regenerate armour you have to plate

[fiery igloo]

yea i know but i feel like i barely get to find plates while i am out grinding away

do certain enemies drop plates?

[shy willow]

idk it seems pretty random to me

[fiery igloo]

so i should just palte when i need to and not greed save them i guess?

[shy willow]

ye

its not like they're rare

[fiery igloo]

true

[shy willow]

enemies drop em and missions have a handful of plate boxes

[fiery igloo]

thanks for the input btw i will try and farm the 2 providence pieces and see how stuff changes feel wise

also whats like the big difference for legendary builds? i tried running it once and barely got to deal dmg with my memento fury build. are there like way different builds for it and a different playstyle?

[shy willow]

depends on how you wanna play it

but if you're starting out you might want something that'll take a beating

[fiery igloo]

like a blue build?

[shy willow]

not all blue

[fiery igloo]

any good resources for legendary builds?

[shy willow]

you can check the pinned spreadsheet in here

[fiery igloo]

oh i see

[shy willow]

but yeah builds vary depending on whether you're a team and your experience and all

also from encounter to encounter

[onyx sage]

you're really going to want striker for legendary

[fiery igloo]

is it so much better than a regular brand build?

[shy willow]

beautiful

[vestal ibex]

Try it and find out. Very easy to build.

[onyx sage]

yes

its damage ceiling is much higher

[fiery igloo]

so how would i go about getting pvp exclusive gear like "the gift"?

[shy willow]

striker is the div2 master key

[shy willow]

dont worry about that

[onyx sage]

you do not need the gift

[shy willow]

striker wants backpack

[fiery igloo]

i am still curious as for my current build :)

[magic pilot]

gift is overrated

[shy willow]

but even on high end a normal Providence vigi backpack is fine

[magic pilot]

send a pic of your build

[shy willow]

its just a flex really

[onyx sage]

the gift literally reduces the cooldown from 4s to 3s

it doesn't do anything for your damage

[vestal ibex]

They did yo

[shy willow]

this one

[fiery igloo]

ah i was just checking the spreadsheet and they said to get the gift variant hence i asked

[shy willow]

DZ exclusives you can only get in DZ and named caches

[magic pilot]

oh far back lol

[vestal ibex]

Get to scrollin bish

[magic pilot]

get together something like this

[vestal ibex]

Bro slow your roll on that screen shot lol

Can't see anything

Why are your brands so hard to see?

[shy willow]

maybe the backdrop

[fiery igloo]

guess imma farm 2 more providence pieces then. can i use a regular build like that to clear the raids then? or do i need striker builds?

[magic pilot]

no idea

[shy willow]

people will accept either but use striker tbh

[magic pilot]

that looks fine

[fiery igloo]

why do u use survivalist instead of gunner?

[shy willow]

maybe cuz they're stashed

[urban latch]

Either is fine, I personally prefer (especially new raiders) a high end build over strikers. But strikers is generally easier to get together

[magic pilot]

raid roles

survivalist for DH

[shy willow]

need that sweet bow

[fiery igloo]

i see anyone got solid guides for the raids by chance? i wanna look into them soon :)

[magic pilot]

that build i just sent is all youll need for first clear

swap chest to obliterate on IH

[urban latch]

This is the best IH guide out there. DH is a lot more straightforward

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeK6nKsdQbDpMPZH8HujxNg-EV-VvlEWM&si=7aJpuY6kXfV3QbyY

[shy willow]

your leader should explain anything you need to know as long as you say youre an ftc

[fiery igloo]

i still like to understand it and not just follow.

[fiery igloo]

ty

[magic pilot]

DH is just shooting lol

[shy willow]

that's what you'll be doing until you've gotten a good few clears on IH at least

[urban latch]

There's a bit more, but its a lot of shooting

[shy willow]

DH is just dps with extra steps

[magic pilot]

you can run DH with 6 FTC

[shy willow]

IH 6 FTC run would be hell on earth

[fiery igloo]

oh i understand

[vestal ibex]

4-5 FTCs can be hell...

[fiery igloo]

once my builds are set i will defo look into it. is this server here actively raiding and helping new people?

[vestal ibex]

This server doesnt have VC. There are other servers that do have active raiding tho.

[fiery igloo]

any pointers for those servers?

[versed summit]

GCROCK’s tends to be more active for raids

[fiery igloo]

i recently joined that one will have to take a look

[magic pilot]

for DH join "The Division" look for corpsemaker

[urban latch]

2 experienced players can take 6 FTCs through doing all the mechanics, and then those 6 FTCs will go around telling people that there's no mechanics and it's only a DPS check...

[magic pilot]

me

[magic pilot]

do you want the link to the other discord?

[versed summit]

Still need to run with that fella

[magic pilot]

been running with him everyweek

[magic pilot]

bloody knuckles will be the death of me

[fiery igloo]

if you could that would be great

[tulip charm]

Nice component. Gz!

[magic pilot]

hell no lmao

[tulip charm]

You should he always runs DH

[magic pilot]

most clears

[tulip charm]

yeah

[magic pilot]

im running with him rn

[tulip charm]

gotta be fast since it always fills whenever he joins a raid call

[versed summit]

Lmao. I’ll join up on you when I see ya, and see if I can pull one.

[magic pilot]

i tried my best lol

blessed up today

[tawdry flare]

Was good few months ago

[magic pilot]

Still good to have for project resolve 2.0

[sullen sun]

Why use Bighorn over EB?

Talents?

[magic pilot]

Bighorn is more dmg, EB allows you to tank

[sullen sun]

Interesting

You learn something new every day

[half cosmos]

ummm

1 shoted gold mech in legendary

@onyx sage

[onyx sage]

lol

yeah there's no way you one-shot things with that

[half cosmos]

i saw them do it and i heavily dobt had a max stack on striker that long

[onyx sage]

max stack striker still wouldn't one shot

but at least he admits lol

[half cosmos]

idk what to do report or leave as is?

[onyx sage]

up to you

[sullen sun]

Can I use it w a Hotshot build?

[magic pilot]

i wouldnt

[sullen sun]

Decent?

[magic pilot]

is that a crit hsd build?

[wise swallow]

idek wtf that is

[sullen sun]

It’s a Hasamtheevil build lol

[magic pilot]

not sure why improvised or providence is on there

it looks like a crit/hsd build

[wise swallow]

its the hasamthedumb build

[magic pilot]

swap the gloves and knees to contractors and fox

[wise swallow]

more HSD ig cuz stats

[magic pilot]

unga bonga big headshot number

[sullen sun]

Keep the Momento?

[wise swallow]

bad unless your farming

[magic pilot]

ok ill wait

uno momento?

por favor?

[wise swallow]

3 blocked messages por favor

[magic pilot]

memento*

its ok if you are going to stack it everytime you use that build

[wise swallow]

I know some people make the short term buff work but honestly its rare

[sullen sun]

What could I use in replace of it?

[magic pilot]

providence

concussion or ad rush

[wise swallow]

id use ceska if you want any amount of crit

rn you have like 40 chc lol

[sullen sun]

Thx guys

Wb holster?

And mask

Prov?

[magic pilot]

keep whats on there

it depends on crit or hsd focus

[sullen sun]

Preferably both

[magic pilot]

youd have to spec into one more than the other

[sullen sun]

Probably HS since I’m a sniper main

I mainly PvP

[vestal ibex]

You wont believe this but this deconstructer guy mainly PVPs too.

[magic pilot]

then keep whats on there

[sullen sun]

HS mods?

[sullen sun]

How you been friend

[magic pilot]

yes

almost got another

[sullen sun]

What chest talent would you run for that Big horn build?

[wise swallow]

id run perfect efficient

cuz I run that on basically everything

Unbreakable if you really dont wanna run P eff

[sullen sun]

Sniper spec?

[wise swallow]

god no

firewall

[urban latch]

Yep lol

[strong cave]

Where do you go to look your stats up for the bot? Am curious

[onyx sage]

you have to be part of the high council

[strong cave]

No clue how to get there lmao

[gentle lichen]

There's like a ton of bots i believe the main one though is the isac tracker

[hexed steppe]

Figure out which bot it is and add it to your own discord channel

[onyx sage]

yeah I'm just joking. this is just Isac tracker

[strong cave]

Thanks guys, I'm def gonna use this when making cheater reports at least

Plus I'm curious if my name will pop up lmao

[sullen sun]

Can you use Pummel and Fast hands in PvP?

[wise swallow]

they work in PVP yea

fast hands is pretty horrible but it does work

[sullen sun]

Better than optimist? “Shotguns”

[wise swallow]

pummel is also pretty bad

[wise swallow]

is this for shotguns?

[sullen sun]

Si

@wise swallow Explosive dmg doesn’t affect the explosive seeker?

[wise swallow]

I would just use optimist

[wise swallow]

dont know

I dont do skill stuff

[hexed steppe]

explosive damage, skill damage, and total skill damage should. if it has a status associated like bleed, status effects will boost that side. im not sure how much it would boost damage in a pvp environment tho

[magic pilot]

My discord lol, I can invite you

[magic pilot]

Think Isac is the most accurate

[gentle lichen]

There's also the beta tracker

Much more details

[onyx sage]

the high council

[magic pilot]

Beta is isac just not out yet

Mine will auto upgrade to the beta one on release

[devout agate]

I need assistance on making a dz/conflict build for EB

[solar sable]

here ^
in the second one Prodigy said to change famas for shield splinterer or F2K

[half cosmos]

Ok can i ask what is that tool? Is that a bot likr put in user out get stats???

[dull ermine]

Forgetting the practicality of explosive resistance… does it do anything protect against mortars from the train / morozovas launch?

Pretty much could you just stand there and not take damage at 80%?

Or next to no damage

[shy willow]

I think it does

Won't save you from wipe mechanic tho

[dull ermine]

Ah, I’m looking to make a PFE tank and dk if it’s worth rolling haz pro or explosive resistance

Specifically for Morozova

[shy willow]

Oh if you're running key then explosive resistance

Stagger benefits more from Haz pro

[dull ermine]

Alr I’ll keep that in mind, I was told pfe reduces incoming damage from the train laser guns

Foundry haz gets melted to oblivion if those guns get u

[strong cave]

Raucey got me in for isac tracker, but if you'd like to invite me into yours by all means feel free

[strong cave]

Oh yeah btw I did my first iron horse raid on Monday. I lost my iron horse virginity. I also pulled my own ravenous too 🤣

I dislike iron horse a lot. Too many moving parts and mechanics to remember. Dark Hours is way more fun

[shy willow]

I dislike dark hours and like iron horse for the direct opposite

[strong cave]

Basically dark hours is too simple for you and iron horse is complex which is what makes it fun for you

I prefer the simple approach due to the fact I don't always have a lot of time to do raids

[shy willow]

It's like I can shoot stuff basically anywhere else in the game but IH is pretty complex

[strong cave]

The group I ran with for my first run was really good. I didn't understand at the end to "rocket the bullets" and I'm standing there looking around like a lost puppy. One guy spoke up and said "guys you're not specific enough, rocket the red missiles on the train in the middle". Surely enough, I found it right away

Lol shoot the bullets 🤣🤣 what fkn bullets do I shoot I see a lot of bullets being shot

[dull ermine]

Eh DH is too cheesy, people like to bypass the mechanics that are there for faster times

For example one shotting buddy and Lucy, I mean it’s fun to get the damage number and succeed in the kill but it bypasses the mechanic of keeping the health bars in sync.. which is kind of already eliminated by strikers anyways

[dull ermine]

Honestly timing isn’t an issue. The time goes over 1 hour if people basically cause a wipe on Morozova, other areas it’s the tank and healer that control the wipe

[strong cave]

I ended up getting interrupted in the beginning when we made it to the water valve area boss and didn't get the first key so we had to reset

They were almost done when I got back so yeah that is half the reason why it took an hour

The other half was like I mentioned, wasn't specific enough on their instructions so it took me a minute to learn where to fire the rockets at the train. Other than that I get the idea for the mechanics

I don't always get to sit and play through raids because I constantly have people interrupt me (people I live with as well as boss from work calls or something stupid like that) or life decides I'm needed elsewhere

People really only play iron horse for their regulus, and everybody and their mom wants the Eagle Bearer from dark hours lol

[dull ermine]

They put you on rockets for your first run through? That’s wild

Also you hit the mark on why people give shorthand explanations, people just show up for the exotics

[strong cave]

For first boss, they put me on A side and what I'd do is give the rockets to the guy on A side airlock. For the lava big generator boss thingy part they had me hit the button to trigger the encounter and we would all take turns. For the final boss, they had me stationed on backside where the loot crate is. Kill ads that walk out doors, I'm left side rockets and there was 1 other guy who did right side

[dull ermine]

So deep alpha, computer, left rocket

[strong cave]

I was the only first timer for IH lol. I joined this group bc we had DH first timers. So I helped the DH newbies, these guys were all IH experts

[dull ermine]

None are bad positions but most people put new people on red overwatch cause nothing for them to do

Hardest part about that 3rd boss you mention is getting people to break lavas and hit computers at the end

[strong cave]

We finished the raid in a decent time, discounting the reset. Half our team died but we somehow managed to clutch. Somebody quick swapped to sawyers when reviving healer

After that, things went back on track

For my first time, it was cool but I found myself more annoyed the further I went. Very pretty scenery tho but imo dark hours is so much more fun

Rav is a fun gun but using it with negotiators is really obnoxious. Might swap over to ongoing Directive so I can go back to focusing 1 enemy and not half the battlefield

[shy willow]

Rockets on FTC is wild

[strong cave]

I didn't do too bad honestly. Just when they told me to "shoot the bullet" is when it got really dumb bc what bullet 🤣 they meant the red missiles on the train

I pretty much kept up with the people who knew what to do, played my part just as well as they did. Now that I have an inkling as to what to do, I'll know what people mean when they say "shoot the bullets"... They mean red missiles 🗿

[urban latch]

Outside stagger tank and healer all the other roles are easy to explain for a FTC

[dull ermine]

You did introduce me to a new thing though which is running sawyers to revive… I haven’t heard of that

[devout agate]

So fenris is a must for EB build?

So I build for headshot damage or just a regular build CHC and CHD

[strong cave]

Typically headshot builds go for weapon handling/headshot damage with EB

But crits also work yes

[devout agate]

What does more damage for pvp

[strong cave]

Typically crits because you can hit anywhere and get a crit, you hit a crit headshot it's even higher

But for Eagle Bearer PVP build, I found that most people like to go weapon handling and headshot. Weapon handling to turn the gun into a laser even further due to the firing talent and then headshots for tenacity

[shy willow]

More often than not people just get put on doors though

[devout agate]

I’ll make two builds then ig

[stiff jasper]

"EB build" are not that precise, many build are able to run EB or other gun, EB just option of weapon choice, it doesn't represent certain build
But yeah, basically you run eb = you run AR type build, then fernis are pretty important

[shy willow]

If PVP ye

[hearty timber]

Is there 6 bonuses gear set like D1 or we only have 4 now?

[shy willow]

All gear set bonuses top out at 4 pieces

Chests and bags have special talents that enhance the 4 piece bonus

But running more than 4 is a waste of slots

[hearty timber]

What is a good extra 2 set bonuses if you are running foundry bulwark tank build?

[shy willow]

Depends what you're using it for

If you're tryna run it in general PVE missions and open world don't bother

[hearty timber]

Why so?

[shy willow]

Cuz the tank archetype is mostly useless

Has niche uses though

[hearty timber]

I simply just like tank, i do the same thing in D1

[shy willow]

D3 in div1 made tanking useful though

In this game it just makes you dead weight

Bruiser builds are fairly common with an emphasis on damage but added survivability

But full tanks just ain't worth normally

[hearty timber]

When is it worth to run then?

[shy willow]

Raids and countdown

Well even in countdown it's not full tank

More a support tank

Pure tanks are reserved for IH

[tulip charm]

Iron horse specifically

[hearty timber]

Noted

Might as well do a few more countdown and get another full dps build i guess

[urban latch]

Definitely not countdown...

[tawdry flare]

That one guy running ninjabike tank build in countdown

[shy willow]

my blue od😔

[urban latch]

Is your team of randoms better off being slightly buffed by you, or you just carrying them with a proper damage build

[onyx sage]

i ask that question every single mm

[shy willow]

they have no business going down with a massive armour bar and a free amp

thats gotta be some effort

[onyx sage]

i bring a support build too

i support the team by killing everything

[shy willow]

but what if I could make you kill everything slightly faster

[onyx sage]

then that requires you to be in my team

i can't make you carry my solos

[shy willow]

mini fridge gaming😔

one day I'll solo capitol or dua

[tulip charm]

I believe

[shy willow]

[fiery igloo]

if i am still working on my build as in optimizing still the substats. getting the optimization cache from the event would be the no brainer i guess right?

[magic pilot]

Can't you get mats from countdown?

[fiery igloo]

the field data and the calibration thing i dont think you get from the runs i did

[hexed steppe]

field recon you can get from running control points. 3 for challenging, 4 for heroic. shd calibrations are probably a good thing to use scav points on if you really need some

[fiery igloo]

what other way is there for shd cali?

[bright raptor]

daily and weekly projects, there are crates within the Countdown areas that contain SHD Calibrations as well

[fiery igloo]

speaking of countdown i notice that some crates dont unlock at all. i recently got back how do the unlock things work?

[bright raptor]

the unlock things work if the crates are in the final Countdown encounter area, success unlocks the crate

[magic pilot]

You get +3 shd calibration from the orange crate in countdown and +1 per the black crates

There is 1 black crate in each encounter, with 3 spawn points for it being available to open. The orange crate is only able to be opened once you fail or complete the main objective

[fiery igloo]

so you get 1 orange and up to 3 black ones is that the box where the prompt appears with "open safe"

[magic pilot]

Yes

You can just run into the 3rd secondary encounter and grab the crate if you really wanted to

I've done it before when we split into all 3 encounters

[fiery igloo]

ah well my runs are usually just 2 encounters as i just matchmake

[magic pilot]

True

[fiery igloo]

soo what would be the most "optimal" thing to get with the stars?

[patent fossil]

most people go for exotic caches since expertise requires huge numbers of exotic components

[fiery igloo]

ah i saw that aswell. how do people go about exotic farming anyway? or more so the components

just spam countdown and get caches?

[patent fossil]

yeah that and open world during global events (like now)

[fiery igloo]

how does open world play into it?

[patent fossil]

activate the event, every level you gain you get stars, spend the stars on caches

[fiery igloo]

ah yeah i got that going. thought there is some sorta higher drop rate going on so just spam open world events now then?

[patent fossil]

not higher drop rate, just easier (if you play to the event buffs) and farming shd is useful for other mats too

more varied than running countdown endlessly too

[fiery igloo]

gotcha thanks for explaining :)

[opal peak]

with sledgehammer talent is there a recommended grenade for it (like the best/aoe/speed etc...) or they're all similar ? Also is the emp grenade considered to be "damaging" an ennemy and will trigger the effect ?

[urban latch]

Fire grenades are probably the best option. They've got duration, and when your also giving teammates another 10% amp to status effected targets

[onyx sage]

emp grenade only deals damage to electronics

[opal peak]

ah i see, so survivalist spec is the best that's what i was thinking but double-checking, thanks for the insight guys

[tulip charm]

But it can proc sledge

[onyx sage]

really?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[onyx sage]

on humans?

[tulip charm]

mhm

[onyx sage]

huh

[tulip charm]

I run tech on my fi for faraday

[onyx sage]

very interesting

[tulip charm]

its also because fire nades doesnt work in incursion

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opal peak]

yeah i was tinkering with a tech FI build to equip a the setup bag, so i play tech to keep the 6 tier skills

[urban latch]

I think this is incursion boss specific

[opal peak]

hence the question about the grenades hehe

[onyx sage]

i can't validate until Friday so i need someone to validate for me

[opal peak]

i will try

[urban latch]

If your question is specifically about lovebirds then you want technician

[tulip charm]

but yeah survivalist fire nades is the best

just simply due to cc and large area

[onyx sage]

yeah i mostly play legendary

if sledge procced on white tusk i would've known

[opal peak]

nah it's just overall having a FI build that has a the setup for the +15% perfect opportunistic

[tulip charm]

eh just craft a healer setup

[opal peak]

yeah when i'll have the bp this is what i'll do

[tulip charm]

but i can see why you're choosing tech

[versed summit]

I believe you can test in the range, iKia went over it in a things and stuffs video. It does a very small amount of damage on detonation.

[opal peak]

yeah because i have one less skill core, i need the +1 tech is giving

i confirm, sledge proc on emp grenades

just tested at the range

[onyx sage]

i know flashbangs are also great but just using flashbangs for sledge synergy misses out on survivalist team buffs

[onyx sage]

thanks

[opal peak]

but yeah definitly fire grenade with their duration and amp are great

i'll go back to surv for that build when i have that bp setup and can craft my own bag ahah

[onyx sage]

foam grenade damage when

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opal peak]

lemme try if foam also proc it

[onyx sage]

it doesn't

that one I know intimately

[opal peak]

yes this is correct

[vestal ibex]

Doing lovebirds with a meh group, taking forever to kill them, Martinez throws EMP grenade, no more heals rip. That survivalist buff is small in comparison to all the buffs you'd already have up. I'd take the qol of not being EMPed tho. Also EMP grenade is nice for those times they kill Martinez first so you can EMP all Johnson's drones.

[opal peak]

yes that make sense for this encounter especially

is there a way to see your total dttooc in stats ? im looking for it but i don't see that statistic being displayed

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's only available in two slots so easy to figure.

Do you have foxes? What's your guns third attribute?

[opal peak]

you have a point

i have foxes yes

i don't have a gun with the stat so the foxes are basically it i guess

is there several guns that have that stat ?

[versed summit]

You can have 12 on LMGs or 10 on everything else.

[opal peak]

ah it's a stat you can put on a weapon gotcha

why it would be good on a weapon since you have to sacrifice the damage core that is 15% ?

[versed summit]

No

[opal peak]

is there a trick in the damage calculation or something ?

[onyx sage]

no... you can run both...

[vestal ibex]

It's always second or third attribute

[onyx sage]

lol

[opal peak]

oh so you have to drop/craft a weapon that got it as a 2nd/3rd attribute you cannot trinker the weapon this way

[onyx sage]

it won't replace your weapon type damage ever

[opal peak]

i was looking at the stats library but yeah it's only in core attributes

one example would be the bulletking LMG

[versed summit]

LMGs will always have a set Second attribute of DTOOc.

[opal peak]

oh right i see now in my stash

thanks for the infos guys, learning everyday

[devout agate]

I need assistance with a EB build rn I currently have fox prayers, contractors gloves, picaros holster, and fenris chest all red with obliterate

All CHD

Everything else is blue except my fenris chest

But my Chc is rlly low

[urban latch]

Is this for pvp?

[devout agate]

Yeah

DZ/conflict

[urban latch]

Dz or conflict?

[devout agate]

Both sorta

[urban latch]

No watch points in conflict, so keep in mind your essentially losing another 10% chc

[devout agate]

Yea

So how do I build for it I’m kinda struggling lol

[urban latch]

You'll definitely want 1p ceska, and you can swap out things like contractors/Picaros/foxes for other benefits pieces you can run both chc and chd on

[devout agate]

Yeah

I have a good ceska mask

Would I want to use gruppo

[devout agate]

Also why take off fox and contractors

Aren’t they damage multipliers?

[wise swallow]

builds template
contractors foxes picarios

AR build
ceska, coyote fenris

SMG build
Ceska coyote soko

[urban latch]

Your giving up a brandset bonus and a crit attribute for the special attribute. The short answer (on a crit build) is they are only worth it when you have CHD everywhere on your gear you can have it and are still at the crit chance cap

On a high end build (with shd watch) you can only really choose 2 gear pieces to not have chc, so 2 of catharsis, contractors, foxes, Picaros, etc

(Edit:assuming not a SMG build)

[wise swallow]

im sure you can understand the logic here

applies to pretty much everything

[devout agate]

Ceska backpack or fenris backpack or does it matter

[wise swallow]

piece location only matters on gear sets

[devout agate]

Alright

[wise swallow]

HE it does not matter

[devout agate]

So fox prayers contractors and picaros

Ceska backpack fenris chest and coyotes

[wise swallow]

thats like the most basic HE build there is

[devout agate]

Is it good?

[wise swallow]

no its completely ass I just wanted ot waste you time

[devout agate]

Alright

[wise swallow]

yes its good

[devout agate]

Is there better?

I want the best build I can make for EB

[wise swallow]

you take that logic and swap the build template stuff (pic, foxes and contractors) to what fits.

need more CHC? swap one of the 3 (preferably contractors) for groupo

[devout agate]

Gotchu

[wise swallow]

Striker is "better" but its takes a certain play style to make it work

umbra is also good

you build it the same way you build it for PVE but add more blues

[devout agate]

How does umbra work

[wise swallow]

Id get a basic HE AR build and striker

[wise swallow]

read

From the Shadows Into the Light

While in cover, gain 10 Stacks per second up to 50. Each stack will give 1% Critical damage increase and 0.3% RPM.
Buff does not apply while shooting from cover.

While out of cover Agents lose 2 stacks per second at normal speed and 1 stack per second if sprinting.

While out of cover and in combat, gain 10 Stacks per second up to 50. Each stack will give 0.8% Armor regen when it is consumed. Stacks consume, 10 stacks per second, only in cover.

[urban latch]

You sit in cover to charge up, pop out of cover and ambush people

[wise swallow]

try it in PVE and youll understand it in about 2 seconds

Umbra is honestly stronger then I thought

Probably top 3 build wise

[devout agate]

For umbra EB what would be the CHD and CHC ratio

[wise swallow]

idk

its probably something like 55/140

[devout agate]

Alright

[wise swallow]

just make the build and see what your ratio is lol

[devout agate]

Alright

[devout agate]

I’ll make this one first

[wise swallow]

at your SHD and optimization its probbly best to drop contractors for groupo

[devout agate]

Alright

[devout agate]

This?

I but change the chest to fenris

I got this from someone here just wanted to make sure

[tawdry raven]

Is the apartment good or is expertising a reg mpx better?

[junior surge]

Regular mpx will be way better, but banshee is even better still

[tawdry raven]

Already expertised a banshee to 20

Thinking imma do a tommy gun when tho it has way too much aim assist

Even tho*

[gentle lichen]

Way too much aim assist is a thing I didn't think i'd hear about

[wise swallow]

Apartment is garbage

Pretty sure its the worst MPX you could have

besides the normal version of measured

[tawdry raven]

I saw it got 20k more dps on a chart

But I guess the chart doesn't factor non named talents

[tawdry raven]

It makes tracking targets harder

[lavish grail]

what do you guys think the worst status effect is

worst in terms of having it, i mean

like
hypothetically
would a stinger hive that deals Shock damage be better than Bleed?

[wise swallow]

bleed is probably the "worst"

[fiery igloo]

so i am still torn between vigilance and unstopable force anyone got a clear reason why to use one over the other. i read mixed stuff all the time

[wise swallow]

vigi is alot better

[fiery igloo]

why so?

[wise swallow]

Its pretty easy to keep up and requires no stacking

[fiery igloo]

how would you easily keep it up`? doesnt it drop even if you get tagged once?

[wise swallow]

your using crusader shield most of the time anyways

[versed summit]

Perf unstoppable force is kind of nice on HF IMO, but Vigilance is kind of better everywhere else, especially because it doesn’t require stacks and is up front damage, when there’s so many stacking talents

[versed summit]

Play smart get shot less.

[fiery igloo]

hmm makes sense

[wise swallow]

vigi only goes down when you take dmg to your actual armour. so bonus armour or shield bypass it