td2-build-advice

[cyan drift]

challenging thing with doing grey anything, is that it makes things that damage health one-shots

if you get bled or set on fire, you're just dead

[limpid pelican]

ah yeah with healer holding that the entire time that would be insane

[magic pilot]

also for anyone interested in pvp, if you are running a 6 blue core build or want 6 blue core and dont have a good matador, a normal bp with a blue core is going to be stronger in dmg and in armor gain

matador is basically only worth using with a blue core

[limpid pelican]

yeah that 9% armor isnt going to make or break you

[magic pilot]

6% in pvp

[gentle lichen]

Imo when you use something that relies on bonus armor you'd want as much as you can get

[limpid pelican]

so its only 2% per buff?

[magic pilot]

6% armor (additive 3 2% bonuses) is only 99050 armor at 5 blue, meaning swapping to a blue core bp and losing the extra armor doesnt do anything since you have a net gain

[magic pilot]

true, but youd still want a blue core

youd get more bonus armor with normal ad rush with blue core vs no blue core matador

[gentle lichen]

Haven't seen a side to side comparison of bonus armor amount for perfect ad rush and normal

[limpid pelican]

it's definitely noticeable but not anything to write home about

[magic pilot]

I basically just did that lol

Red core matador< blue core normal ad rush

[gentle lichen]

Honestly having an inkling of bonus armor JUST for the intimidate clutched many fights

[limpid pelican]

i mean sure but the point he's trying to make is, don't get discouraged from pvp just cause you dont have a blue mattie

intimidate regen is still amazing with regular ad rush

[gentle lichen]

Of course

That unicorn may never come in the first place

[limpid pelican]

which i think is better than crit meta tbh

regen bighorn > crit famas with unbreakable ad rush

[gentle lichen]

If you're in close range though

Headshot falls off hard on longer ranges and when player has their back facing you

[limpid pelican]

oh 100%

someone can be right in front of you running away the entire time

and you probably wont kill them without foam

[gentle lichen]

It's really infuriating just seeing a player popping a kit and their face just clips through wall

[limpid pelican]

crit headshot is insaaane

lots of ppl go crit damage but naaah

chc headshot is dangerous

[gentle lichen]

Have an orbit with you at all times with headshot

[limpid pelican]

yeah thats nice to have

my buddy put me onto crashing crit 1v servers with just chc headshot bighorn 😂

people finally caught on

[onyx sage]

@magic pilot i'll be back in 5 hours sorry. can't skip on work today

[tawdry flare]

5 hr 11 minutes to be precise

[onyx sage]

yes

[magic pilot]

All good

[dire heron]

Anyone have a pvp build please? I keep getting destroyed in Dz

[brisk barn]

Pro tip? Don’t go into DZ 😎

[urban latch]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/nl/230906902/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c?title=Basic PVP Starters Guide (Y5 S2) - copy 1

[gentle lichen]

Needs permission?

[onyx sage]

yeah needs login

[blissful rampart]

ewwww evernote needs a login now... oof dead guides now

[tawdry flare]

There goes @urban latch hardwork behind login

Time to port it to PDFs

[blissful rampart]

time for him to make them into youtube guides UWU!

[versed summit]

nah evernote works fine. I think that's prod's and he needs to fix permissions or something

[onyx sage]

jokes aside nah just that guide isn't shared publicly

[magic pilot]

Oh god

[onyx sage]

he just forgot

[blissful rampart]

OH dodged a bullet on that then !

[magic pilot]

Then we have to actually get the right pieces for everything lmao

[patent elm]

Don't forget to make a 5 minute intro, and then 15 min of gameplay on story difficulty to show how OP the build is, after showing a screenshot for 10 seconds without explaining anything

[brisk barn]

Alternatively explain every single portion of the build and why it works so well together for 30 minutes and then never show a single damage number

[magic pilot]

why not both??

an hour long video

[hazy steeple]

iKia is typing...

[patent elm]

Should make that into an emote

[hazy steeple]

Too much of an injoke, and the effort required would be taking it seriously.
It's 100% a joke, we love ikia here.

[onyx sage]

i love when ikia turns into nokia

[tawdry flare]

And when he uses 3310

[wanton hornet]

SR-1: Would you recommend DtA or ToC? I've got two decent rolls of both so can go either way.
OR road to El Dorado: Why not both?

[patent fossil]

Dtooc for first shot (no HH stacks) or dta for follow up shots is how it works I believe.
Not both because only one attribute has them as an option

[rich lotus]

DTOOC for first shot damage, DTA for top end damage (assuming your using headhunter)

[wanton hornet]

Cool. What I meant with both was may as well keep both rifles.

[tawdry flare]

Dtoc > dta for all the guns

[rich lotus]

deconstructs level 25 Model 700 well friend, we had a good run

[patent fossil]

dta multiplies your HH bonus damage though, dtoc doesn't, so it gives a higher damage ceiling once you have hh stacks (if you are shooting enemies with armor)

[tawdry flare]

You can't deconstruct one of u di t have

[patent fossil]

of course, first shot damage is frequently more important to boost...

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but only against armour but the cap takes initial shot into account as well

Also some things don't have armour

[rich lotus]

😦

[blissful rampart]

final shot boost doesnt matter for HH tbh, HH already carries the boost.

1st shot bonus matters much more so you can get stacks faster.

[tawdry flare]

Middle stacks as well

As long as you are over the cap u are good

[blissful rampart]

thats why i said "stacks"

[tawdry flare]

You edited it

[blissful rampart]

pfft you saw nothing! 😛

[tawdry flare]

Like last time

[strong cave]

@magic pilot @onyx sage yall were right, empathic works very well in pvp. i did notice a slight damage decrease from future's chest piece, but the uptime is huge. i think ill alternate between the two chest pieces. Thanks for your help, agents 🫡

now time to farm for more research/shd calibration bc i just dumped 75% of my resources to max out repair skills and expertise

[gentle lichen]

Jelly of that 25 nemesis

[signal pivot]

how long did it take to farm out that perfect gear? holy

I keep getting the named version of that chestpiece/backpack

[magic pilot]

thats because the new brands named items are bugged and drop as TL

been that way since brazos came out

they soak up so much of the loot pool

[signal pivot]

as TL?

[magic pilot]

targeted loot

[signal pivot]

ah

Should they not be dropping as TL?

[magic pilot]

so if you target farm say habsburg the named items drop a ton

they arent supposed to drop as frequently as they do

[signal pivot]

Would it be better for me to set TL to backpacks or?

[magic pilot]

think about how rare a PGC is compared to a cherished chest when farming the respective brands

[magic pilot]

sadly no, best thing you can do is keep farming and craft with the mats, as well as mass buying habsburg from vendors and crafting if you are a high enough watch lvl to supply that

[bronze hound]

9,706,790 initial shot with my brutus

not bad if i say so myself

10,618,226 on crit

[magic pilot]

Flatline

[bronze hound]

?

[flint wave]

Spotter

[bronze hound]

are we just naming random talents

any critique?

[magic pilot]

Yea use flatline

[flint wave]

Where 4th hotshot piece + where chainkiller

[bronze hound]

4 shot hotshot is less damage

[flint wave]

Useless overkill sniper build

[bronze hound]

so is chainkiller

[magic pilot]

Expertise 25 nemesis

[flint wave]

Less damage means nothing when you already one-shot everything

[bronze hound]

im not level 25

[flint wave]

are u trying to do sniper only countdown?

[magic pilot]

That's actually crazy

[bronze hound]

cant oneshot heavies

[tulip charm]

God I would love that build

[magic pilot]

Behind you is literally dead when flatline exists

[tulip charm]

whats your first and second shot on nemesis

[flint wave]

Can never one shot heavies cuz helmet

and good luck with that behind u proc after u shoot off the helmet

[bronze hound]

my fucking luck lmao

5 crits in a row

[magic pilot]

Behind you and no decoy 😭

[bronze hound]

its not for solo

[tulip charm]

XD

[magic pilot]

I take it you are going for max stack dmg?

[bronze hound]

aside from brutus yes

[bronze hound]

first shot is 16,522,368

[tulip charm]

so you can start on solo elites

[bronze hound]

its not for solo

[tulip charm]

I know

[bronze hound]

then why bring it upo

[magic pilot]

Contractors and 2 habs

[tulip charm]

Just cool to know

[hexed steppe]

looks good from my house

[bronze hound]

uh ok then

i made this fun cc build for cd hold on

[hexed steppe]

not bad. how much armor procs on your team with galvanize

im guessing blue rolls are hazpro and disrupt mods?

[bronze hound]

yepo

[bronze hound]

well its 40% so 440k

[fickle girder]

Anyone able to tell me the best loadout skills build for solo legendary runs? I have a dps/tank build I can run them with but wanted to give a skills build a try.

[brisk barn]

I think the people who solo them run HH

That’s to say either classic 3/4 Hotshot with vigilance and chain killer

[fickle girder]

They really need a site for builds like wow has icy veins lol

[brisk barn]

We have a spreadsheet

But I don’t recommend running legendary solo unless you have the rooms memorised

Unless it’s summit for bighorn, then do whatever banana blaster strategy works

[fickle girder]

I went in one blind the other day never ran it got half way done with it just didn’t know how that one room ran so got cornered lol

Was pretty fun tho

Where’s the spreadsheet at?

[brisk barn]

Most of them have gimmick rooms that destroy you if you don’t know what’s in them

[brisk barn]

It’s pinned

[fickle girder]

Yeah this one had 3/4 tank mini gun guys come out I can take 2 of them with my shield up no problem but anymore then that I can some room to move around at the spot I didn’t have any room because I didn’t know they came in the door behind me haha

[brisk barn]

Did you do DUA?

I think that’s the one everyone likes the most

[fickle girder]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

DUA is the easiest

[fickle girder]

Pretty cool mission

[bronze hound]

i hate it personally

[fickle girder]

Just wanted to try out a skills build and see if it does better then my striker tank build

[bronze hound]

....striker tank?

[fickle girder]

Yeah I have over 2million base armor

[brisk barn]

don’t you know?

[bronze hound]

that sounds disturbing at the very least

[bronze hound]

i was, in fact, right

[fickle girder]

I still do 500-600k dps tho

[bronze hound]

thats literally nothing

[wise swallow]

why

[bronze hound]

glad to see im not the only one

[brisk barn]

me and the boys did IH with striker only

I was the haz pro tank

[fickle girder]

I like the build I can take down big guys pretty fast and I’m pretty hard to take down

[bronze hound]

then youre lying about 600k dps

[fickle girder]

Running it with the memo backpack

Nope lol

[bronze hound]

so youre doing 600,000 damage per second?

[wise swallow]

600k DPS with what gun

[fickle girder]

Full stacks I do 400-600 hits with my Elmo

[wise swallow]

elmo is 850 RPM?

[bronze hound]

dps is damage per SECOND not per SHOT

[fickle girder]

If you looking at the dps part then it’s around 3-4million

[bronze hound]

my tank build does 6 mil dps wtf

literally all it has is liberty and catharsis

[brisk barn]

Liberty 🤌

[bronze hound]

are you SURE your numbers are right

[fickle girder]

https://youtu.be/6Rv1kuffxjs?si=cpwkw7Kq9Nlq4NN3

I’m running that build

[bronze hound]

oh no

[solar sable]

not a yt build...

[bronze hound]

im not even gonna watch that i just saw the title and its pure clickbait

[fickle girder]

That’s the one I’m running and have no problems with it lol

[wise swallow]

its juust blue striker

[bronze hound]

how quickly are you clearing missions

[wise swallow]

with momento

[fickle girder]

It’s just a little slower then my full red striker build

[bronze hound]

then you might have issues with your full red striker build

cuz im hitting around 27m burst with my red striker build

[fickle girder]

My dps striker I hit for 1.3-1.4million hits

[bronze hound]

thats a huge difference

600k vs 1.3m? thats not "a little slower" thats twice as slow

[fickle girder]

But he’s a glass cannon so I can’t take many hits 😂

[onyx sage]

just don't take hits

[fickle girder]

I run and gun with my other build

[brisk barn]

Shoot shit don’t die

[bronze hound]

dont need to take hits if nothing can shoot at you

[fickle girder]

Haha

[bronze hound]

hey thats my line

plagiarism

[brisk barn]

Nah it’s mine now

[onyx sage]

me towards my mm teammates: don't die

[brisk barn]

I’ve taken it and it belongs to me

[fickle girder]

Idk man those enemies have auto aim with a shooty from across the map lol

[brisk barn]

If you use cover they can’t shoot you while you are behind it, they can only launch a series of 5000 grenades

[fickle girder]

Haha that’s also not true they have killed me many times shooting me through the wall

[onyx sage]

use full cover, use cover to cover, use decoy and utility skills

i survive all legendaries with full red striker

[fickle girder]

Solo?

[onyx sage]

yes

just know how to peek

[bronze hound]

whats your clear time on dua

[fickle girder]

I need to see that lol

[onyx sage]

feel free, on my profile

[onyx sage]

my best one is 18:30 before resolve

[bronze hound]

nice

[onyx sage]

but 19:23 after resolve

i didn't use headhunter so it could be miles faster

[bronze hound]

i assumed it wasnt optimized was just curious

[onyx sage]

yeah it was just a few runs that demo how to peek

[serene hare]

Occasionally killing 2 named Rikers at the same time and dropping a Lady Death in the process.

Like, what?

[onyx sage]

LD is more commonly dropped from Rikers yes

[hazy steeple]

It's a great exo component farm.

[bronze hound]

?

since when

[onyx sage]

since wony...

[bronze hound]

thats entirely not true

[onyx sage]

...here we go again

[bronze hound]

do you have some proof saying that

[onyx sage]

http://bitlilin.com/td2sheet/#&gid=1&pid=1

new york enemies drop lady death more, so not just rikers but yeah

[bronze hound]

so you were wrong

[onyx sage]

yes, i was wrong, it's new york bosses

so not just rikers

[bronze hound]

its the new york open world bosses specifically

[onyx sage]

did you know that before this btw

[bronze hound]

yes lol

[onyx sage]

I'm surprised

[bronze hound]

thats how you farmed for it when the game first came out

er when wony did

[onyx sage]

yes, i just farmed from only rikers

[bronze hound]

yea no it was always the open world ones only

BK is riker only, ID is cleaner only

[serene hare]

Guys, where do I find the last comm from the manhunt, exactly?

[onyx sage]

yeah i know why now

i mistook it for bullet king

[bronze hound]

rerun mission

[serene hare]

I did already, I'm reruning the entire manhunt

Did 50% already.

[bronze hound]

did you kill the hunter

[serene hare]

But like, where the fuck are this last comm?

[brisk barn]

Time to kill Rikers for 6 hours to get Bullet King

[serene hare]

Yes.

[bronze hound]

then you should have gotten all of them

[onyx sage]

thank god they put BK into the general pool

[brisk barn]

The only exotic weapon I don’t have is the Bullet King

[onyx sage]

more components

[serene hare]

No way...

[onyx sage]

really?

[brisk barn]

Yes

I have Ridgeways and Regulus and Neme and everything
Not the Bullet King

[bronze hound]

i mean yeah you get all of them in the general manhunt then you run the final mission again to get the last one

[onyx sage]

time to do wall street

[serene hare]

I mean, the hunter didn't dropped anything but his mask to me

Maybe it was glitched, so this is what they fixed.

[bronze hound]

and you reran the mission to completion right?

[serene hare]

I'll finish the manhunt anyway.

[brisk barn]

It has to drop eventually right?

[onyx sage]

yeah

i think there are 4 (?) named enemies in that one so

[brisk barn]

There’s a point where it’s 99% guaranteed to drop and I bet you I hit that point

[onyx sage]

it drops near end of service

[brisk barn]

I will have the Ouroboros drop instead 😔

[bronze hound]

yea 4

ron, knuckles, dragov, queen

not queen duchess

[brisk barn]

What if this was all an elaborate scheme to have someone say Dragov

[devout agate]

I wanna make a high end build with catharsis for dz that’ll keep me alive really easily but I can do high damage

[steady ridge]

Catharis everything else red (im trolling)

[devout agate]

💀

[steady ridge]

Lowkey blue armor core everything else CHC and CHD run whatever primary i use st elmo even tho everyone runs haz protection

[devout agate]

I’m trying to figure out which brands to use

[steady ridge]

Uhhh

[devout agate]

Right now I’m gonna use Matador and catharsis definetly

[steady ridge]

Hold on i have a photo

[devout agate]

And Picaros

[steady ridge]

My go to rn

[serene hare]

I need an Orbit, Jesus...

[devout agate]

For dz?

[wise swallow]

all blue striker with catharsis.
the normal highend set up with catharsis (metador, fenris, ceska, groupo, pic)

[devout agate]

What’s pic

[wise swallow]

picaros holster

the named brazos holster

[steady ridge]

Yes then ourborus came out and now its irrelevant

[devout agate]

Oh ok

[steady ridge]

That would shred not haz users to atoms

And now i get dookied on

[devout agate]

are they both around the same or does one do better than the other?

[wise swallow]

striker does better if you can stack it reliably

[devout agate]

I was using an armor regen ouro build and this dude was using the basic high end build and I could barley even get enough damage off of him

[devout agate]

So 5 piece striker and catharsis

[wise swallow]

I am unable to answer that question without breaking the rules of this server.

I can happily DM you the answer if you wish

[tulip charm]

5 piece striker is definitely the power move

[devout agate]

Ok

[wise swallow]

yes, regen builds lack in dmg over normal DPS builds

you have to play around the regen

not just face trade

[devout agate]

Yeah

[tulip charm]

So uh if you plan on face trading you just run oreo right?

[wise swallow]

you run ouro not matter what

but you dont just facetrade when using a regen build

itll always fall behind another ouro

you have to actually use the regen, thats kinda the point of it existing

[tulip charm]

Figured that was the case.

So basically play the long game.

[devout agate]

I got chased for almost 5 minutes with my ouro regen build

[devout agate]

But as you said I did try to face trade and almost died so I played off my regen

[serene hare]

Which talent should I use on backpack for HF?

Vigilance seems counter intuitive since it's almost impossible to not take damage.

Maybe should I use Memento?

[hazy steeple]

Memento with HF is a great solo combo.

obliterate on the chest too, assuming you aren't going for a HH build.

[shy willow]

Bonus armour and a shield will not drop vigilance when hit

[serene hare]

Shield I know, but how do I get bonus armor?

[shy willow]

Teammates or running hb

I think gunners armour kit gives some too

[wise swallow]

I like blood sucker, momento, adrush and intim. Vigi and obliterate if you dont wanna go the intim route

[serene hare]

I think this is pretty alright.
When I fully optimize the crit chance of this Banshee, my crit chance will be perfectly set on 60%.

No, wait, it will be 58%

Fine by me.

Maybe even more perfect would be to have an Orbit and maybe switch that M870 for a Scorpio.

My Scorpio is pretty shit tho, I'm getting unlucky with the rolls.

[magic pilot]

Busy bee is stronger than orbit unless you want Scorpio

[serene hare]

I'm not really happy with that M870 tho

[shy willow]

Huh it's perfect

Assuming dttooc

[serene hare]

Since the build don't really circle around the Shotgun damage, it feels underwhelming.

It's super good to deal with normal enemies tho.

[serene hare]

Idk, I think I could avoid damage and get the 25% for quite a bit.

And it's only 4 seconds to reactivation too...

Memento makes you lose too much damage at the start, although it stacks a lot.

[shy willow]

Memento for survivability, vigilance for more offensive punch

[serene hare]

And this build have 0 survival factor (besides the Striker shield)

it's DPS only and find the door from where those clowns spawns.

Unintented rhyme lol.

Nah, screw Tidal basin, I'm tired and tomorrow I'll have my Regulus.

[tulip charm]

next is manning

but gratz on regulus

[cyan drift]

and the place with the most confusing colors you'll ever see

[stiff jasper]

first, in pvp, the damage buff of FI not the main purpose

your teammates get damage buff when their armor is full, so, basically your teammates who fight at close range, they almost don't get the buff
If your teammates fight at long range, they can having the damage buff for sure, but they usually don't need any heal from you, since their position allow them prevent shoot by enemy

[ember jacinth]

Hey, I'm just getting back into the game after a couple years, was playing on xbox now pc so all progress has been reset. I'm trying to make a lady death build and would like some advice.

Im going to get the coyote mask and a sokolov holster, I'm just wondering if this is viable for soloing the summit on heroic

secondary gun gets swapped for whatever I need ATM, that being a rifle, lmg, or whatever else

All attributes are weapon damage and CC/CD

[hazy steeple]

@stiff jasper Tone it down already.

[shy willow]

For sure

But I suggest swapping lady death for a base cmmg banshee

swapping the striker chest for a high end ceska one with obliterate and stick with coyote mask would be good too

[ember jacinth]

My play style heavily depends on running straight at people and killing them before they kill me (at least with bosses) its the main reason I use lady death. I can definitely swap the chest but I also use the stacks on striker for added damage against bosses. So if i were to do that I would probably use a striker holster

The secondary gun swaps based on what I need bc I can't always bum rush everything

[stiff jasper]

Third, pvp healer don't use FI chest, don't use empathic, use Unbreakable or tardigrade or efficiency, depends your playstyle

[ember jacinth]

If u dont chill you might get muted lmao

Im not trying to be rude but you just got warned by a mod all of like 5 minutes ago

[stiff jasper]

🫠

[stiff jasper]

I am not even attacking people, if I talking about pvp healer means "not chill",well~

[ember jacinth]

If im being completely honest i sent that chill message before I read yours

My apologies

[potent carbon]

is regulus useful? such as carrying out missions, legendary, etc

[stiff jasper]

Honestly I don't really mind moderator delete my "not tone down build sense explain", or someone tell me "chill" and shut up or something else

Since, I am still playing pvp well, people play shit or people use nonsense build doesn't affects me, it only make me kill more in pvp, because community are not being strong

[gentle lichen]

Very much so

[potent carbon]

What the best build for regulus?

[gentle lichen]

Other variants exists but those are your popular ones

The hunter's fury one you can put on memento if you're just solo open world

[potent carbon]

What is first attribute & second attribute?

[gentle lichen]

Headshot and either weapon handling or crit chance works

[potent carbon]

Is that gunslinger holster?

[gentle lichen]

Headshot is your main attribute to focus on though on your hunter's fury pieces and 1 attribute pieces

[potent carbon]

Is it 1 hit headshot without full stack buff hunters fury?

[gentle lichen]

If red yes
Over that you'll need a couple depending on veterancy

You can also 1 shot the veteran rushers

[shut pumice]

What is the best build for a solo player?

[warm cypress]

@shut pumice striker

with the st elmo's engine

[shut pumice]

@warm cypress ok thanks

[warm cypress]

like this @shut pumice

[viscid estuary]

does that do well in heroic/leg?

[atomic turtle]

Anyone happen to know why my armor says 1.1M on the inventory screen, but on the stats page it says 1,094,520?

[stiff jasper]

Because it won't show you 1.09M on inventory screen

"Rounding"

[viscid estuary]

i'm asking because this is my build currently and i'm struggling with heroic stuff

[patent fossil]

You'll rarely get enough stacks to make use of striker chest outside of raids/incursion, so ceska obliterate chest is usually preferred

Playing full red does take more practice too, learning how to minimise incoming damage etc. You could swap in memento or some blue cores for solo at least, but learning the gameplay skills would be a more useful long term investment

[gentle lichen]

If your armor is say 1,650,000 it will round up the 50k to 1,700,000

[atomic turtle]

That's a weird way to go about it... Devs make the strangest decisions.

They could have just abbreviated it to 1.09M such as in my case. Would cause a lot less confusion.

[warm cypress]

nah change the chest use striker knees pad

[viscid estuary]

rgr

[gentle lichen]

Makes builds look better on paper ig

[atomic turtle]

I spent a good half of an hour doing math and coming up with 1,094,520. I was beginning to think there was another buff or source that I didn't know about.
lmao

At least I finally got some answers.

[edgy coral]

Hi guys, this seems really expensive to optimize? Should I really do it? Or do I gamble with reconfiguration?

Also, I'm currently grinding control points on heroic to get true sons tactical assessments. Am I just wasting my time, or worth it? To get my st elmo's fully optimized

[atomic turtle]

You can try to farm for another one, but it could take a while.
The DTOC is 9% which isn't too bad and is usually worst to upgrade.

You can also try your hand at reconfiguring, but if expertise is something you want to do later on, exotic components become super important.

As for tactical assessments, you can craft those with mats.

I would recommend grinding countdown for expertise/mats.

Countdown pretty much gives you a little bit of everything, minus the field recon, which is also craftable.

That said, farming CPs is fine. It's not the worst way to do it. But I'd recommend challenging+ if you're not doing just that already.

It really falls onto preference. Countdown is fairly efficient in my opinion. But it gets super boring pretty quick. So that's a downside. Also groups aren't always in sync. You get some noobies here and there that make the runs annoying or ruin them completely.

[edgy coral]

Oh, sorry. I wasn't clear. I mean't I was farming control points on heroic to get the true sons tactical assessment blueprint. It's such a grind

Seems, like I'm on the right track then

I'll keep grinding CPs till i get the blueprint and spam countdown

Don't think I'll go the reconfiguration route

Thanks!

[strong cave]

For one, I made a mistake with Future's description, which 2 lovely people pointed that out to me and helped me decide that the chest piece isn't worth taking. For two, the whole POINT of future is to play the support role and heal/buff your teammates and move with them as a unit. Lastly, telling me to "ditch" empathic for unbreakable is straight up pointless as well as tardigrade/efficiency. You're a healer, the point is to heal yourself and your teammates. Why do I need unbreakable? Because then I wouldn't be buffing my teammates at all. All I'd be doing is healing them. If we are a team of 4 and they're down 1 person doing damage, why not have the 1 person down supply the rest of the team buffs to make up for it? Hence why a good number of people told me to go empathic. I just tested this yesterday, and my future chest/empathic chest works great. Depends on the situation yes but ditching empathic is a serious no go for me just to take unbreakable and not die? Well, just heal yourself lmao. I almost never die when I play healer role in pvp unless the enemy overpowers us.

You got good ideas but negl you come off way too aggressive and shut down other people's ideas way too quick instead of help explain YOUR reason why you choose what you choose

FI chest full armor buff = 25% flat rate
Empathic = 15% buff, 1-7% buff for self
Empathic + FI full armor = 30% for teammates, 22% for self

If you want damage off the rip, go FI chest. If you want a constantly active buff, go Empathic

[stiff jasper]

I have read your article and I generalize few point, I hope my explanation would let you learn pvp from experience player but not "numbers of people"

Q1. Why Unbreakable but not focus on giving buff to team?
A1. Whatever providing heal to team, or providing damage buff, or anything else, base on strategic level, purpose of healer are protecting team, to able fight consistently under consume by armor trade off
For example a 4 people group with 1 healer and 3 dps, if healer down, it is deadly situation and may causing whole team get eliminated, so healer need a certain extent of survivability, that's also why a good team healer turns to 3 blue Unbreakable or efficiency , imo, unqualified healer use full yellow

Q2. Why no empathic
A2. If healer run empathic, it definitely need 6 yellow core, means that healer have no enough core to build certain armor, also losing protect by Unbreakable or tardigrade, nowadays ttk is short,especially ouro join the meta, as I mention in A1, healer need certain extent of survivability, and it is conflict with empathic requirements and build design

Q3. Tardigrade and efficiency are pointless
A3. Tardigrade providing extra armor to you and your team once armor broke( if bugs haven't happen, that's why Unbreakable is available option), the extra armor allow them have enough reaction time to get safe and recieve heal again
For efficiency, since it is percentage heal when combo with survivalist kit, and it don't affect by yellow core and attributes , more space you can use like blue core to increase your survivability, and more functional to protecting or buffing team, like cavalier or anything else

BTW a series advice from experience player: you have mentioned "I almost never die when u play healer in pvp, UNLESS ENEMY OVERPOWER US", it pretty meaningless and you never stronger if you compare with people who weaker, why you will die if people overpower yours, because your disadvantage are obviously when you role play healer

[pastel shard]

Imo FI probs ain’t the best of gear choice if u plan on making a pvp healer build

Empathic is pretty nice tho if u do (u don’t entirely need 6st n if u really wanted it u could make some weird hybrid)

[strong cave]

I have 6 yellow, 3 blues, and technically 3 reds when I'm full armor.. 2 reds when not full armor. I'm using ninjabike, so I can't use tardigrade unless I ditch ninja which I don't wanna do. Now, with you saying if the healer goes down, you're right it's pretty deadly. Happened to me once or twice yesterday but sometimes you just get bested 🤷 it happens, there's good players out there. However tho, if you play it smart and focus damage and then snake around for heals, you'll basically never die and still be buffed. I love all of your points, you are absolutely right with your suggestions and advice. However tho, my build isn't quite meant to use tardigrade or unbreakable, it's more so for healing and giving my team buffs

I can however add an extra armor core and use my Kard TDI pistol to get back to the 6th skill tier and also use survivalist but then I'd be sacrificing a good amount of healing on my skills and I'd essentially be using only my pistol to maintain my 6 skill tiers for the repair charges

[strong cave]

Nah you can get basically the same amount using just gold gear and 1 improvised piece and stack extra repair skills/skill haste. Somebody showed me that specific build but they definitely didn't have the armor that I do lol

I paired ninja with picaro's bc that's basically 1 free red, 1 free blue, and 1 free yellow. Ninja gives the same cores as well

I'll leave my build here -

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFwFYuuBRUdVRY2DeAFgjnzlLUbI2qifbORYDYxK5oDTsK6gaSIRw4YQ0VpHy54vELwDsvZsACcivgA4IIQiFYhwoXMyoXcUPcEPd82yeUoYdYeNrCm-htbUlMGaTEA

^ kingbreaker would be better Ik but I don't have the extended mag for 7.62 quite yet

[stiff jasper]

One thing I forgot to mention - picaro are awful since the 15 weapon damage are unnecessary, since healer damage are very low ( equal a pathetic amount but moderator delete it), even with this 15 weapon and 1 red core from ninja and ladydeath, damage are still very low and doesn't change anything

[strong cave]

^ fixed it to where it's got empathic

[strong cave]

It's quite low ye, but it is nice to be able to apply pressure on the enemies where I can and not be totally useless and running around just healing

I will hardly crit but my flatline AR does hit

[stiff jasper]

I am gonna stop any pvp advice to you, it's your pvp, not mine, wish you have fun if you satisfied of your level

[strong cave]

Thank you, and idk what you mean by "your level". I'm by no means a bad player and can hold my own in pvp 🤷 can't tell if that's an insult or a passive aggressive way of indirectly telling me I'm bad lol

Regardless, I wish you a good day and thanks for chatting with me. Good luck against rogues, agent

[pastel shard]

Why would they use lady death

Wouldn’t it make sense to use the capacitor

[stiff jasper]

He,not they, not even me

[pastel shard]

They makes it simple I ain’t gonna go hunting for pronouns

[grim birch]

Any build with iron lung?

[strong cave]

Yes, you can use capacitor. The guns can be flopped. I mostly use lady death to finish off a downed player to get the movement speed buff so I'm a harder target to hit

[pastel shard]

That is a good way to use it I forgot bout that

[strong cave]

Ye no worries I know capacitor would benefit WAY more in terms of damage. I use it for my PvE version but in pvp I go lady death bc most the time you can't keep your capacitor stacks in pvp anyways so the movement speed is very useful when used correctly :D

I mean, you're always moving, no? Lady death gets it's stacks by moving so you'll always have stacks plus the movement speed is so nice. It makes a lot of dz players mad when I'm going sonic speed 😂

[strong cave]

The toxic builds I've seen with iron lung is Umbra rolled armor/crit damage for pvp, you can go a mix of both armor/weapon damage for PvE

[grim birch]

What about pve

[untold hearth]

These PVP builds still useful/relevant? Been months since I played. (Plz reply thx in advance)

[stiff jasper]

Lady death only give you movement speed when you down someone, but not finish player who already downed🤫

[magic pilot]

Yea looks good

[strong cave]

Funny, just last night it gave me the movement speed for finishing somebody 😂

[magic pilot]

It's an on kill talent

[stiff jasper]

😂you are funny

[magic pilot]

Works for skills though

Deco is 100% right

[strong cave]

Eh must be I got the kill then. Whatever 🤷

I couldn't care less as long as the threat is neutralized

[magic pilot]

Deco doesn't speak English as his first language so there can be some miscommunications but he is very knowledgeable in pvp

[magic pilot]

Exactly

[gusty ravine]

Best dz build rn to date that I can use as a level 600

[magic pilot]

You want an easy farm or do you wanna play countdown for years

[strong cave]

Oh ye btw did you see my post about empathic?

[gusty ravine]

Something easy so I can BULLY high levels

And if u say regen I already have one

[magic pilot]

Idk about bully high lvls lol

You wanna bully players get into a group

And coordinate builds

[gusty ravine]

Shd doesn't matter in dz about movement and who got faster dps

[magic pilot]

Tag me in it

[magic pilot]

Sadly higher shd means their dps is going to much higher than yours due to watch and expertise

[gusty ravine]

W3ll I need a counter for crouns zens

[magic pilot]

Bleed builds

Slows them down

[gusty ravine]

And regen and kiting doesnt help

[gusty ravine]

Tried that they got scripts to counter that

And somehow they can drop skills after u break them

[magic pilot]

That makes literally 0 sense

There isn't scripts to counter status

[strong cave]

@magic pilot

[gusty ravine]

Sir

Do u not know how resistance builds work kel

[magic pilot]

Yea sounds about right tbh

[gusty ravine]

Kek*

[magic pilot]

That's not a script it's a literal hazpro build

[strong cave]

That's haz pro

[gusty ravine]

That's like saying try to pluse someone with a resistance to pulse

[strong cave]

Not a script. If you want scripts, just join me in dz or conflict bc there's guaranteed a cheater in every server I play on

[magic pilot]

Run striker Ouro and stack on npcs best you can do

[gusty ravine]

Oh on console there's one every day

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest and catharsis

Catharsis will help with status on you

Can stack on skills too

[gusty ravine]

Tried regen and kiting but they have some weird shit for that

[strong cave]

Console pvp has nothing on PC just saying 😂 Chronus is broken yes but these guys will shoot fully thru walls. Idk if Chronus let's you do that LOL

[gusty ravine]

U mean silent aim and auto wall

[strong cave]

No I mean full on standing behind a wall x meters away and getting full on headshotted when I don't even see the rogue

[gusty ravine]

Yes that's silent aim and auto wall

[magic pilot]

Hate to break it to you but that's not a thing on console

[gusty ravine]

I know

I was saying in general he was talking about cheaters so I said there's one every day on console

[magic pilot]

Scripts and MnK are the only "cheating on console"

Half the mnk players suck because of the latency

It's like playing Minecraft on the public library computer than runs on windows 1994

[gusty ravine]

Its really not cheating if the console allows u to plug in a keyboard and mouse

[magic pilot]

It doesn't allow you to lol

[gusty ravine]

Just on certain games u can't do it on

[magic pilot]

You have to buy an emulator for it

[strong cave]

One fun build I run in conflict is an all red pulse build. You're super squishy but the damage is immediate as opposed to strikers

[magic pilot]

To trick the console into thinking it's a controller

[gusty ravine]

No? On ark I can use my keyboard huh

[strong cave]

In DZ, you may wanna run with a group so you can hit flanks

[magic pilot]

Great you play 1 out of 1000s of games that have MnK support

Its individual to each game

[gusty ravine]

That's why I said some games allow it

[strong cave]

That's because the game allows you to. On cod i can use keyboard but why on PUBG or div 2 I can't? No support

[magic pilot]

Like Minecraft, cod, fortnite all have MnK

[gusty ravine]

Read before uvtype

[flint wave]

Halo is the other game that has mnk support

[magic pilot]

Div 2 doesn't because it's cheating on div 2 lol

For console at least

[strong cave]

Say, do controller players get aim assist on PC?

[magic pilot]

You are stating blatantly obvious shit everyone already knows, everyone is well aware of mnk support and that's not what anyone was talking about

[magic pilot]

Yes, there is a cheat for that too lol

[strong cave]

I'm usually accurate on controller anyways as well as mnk so hard to tell

[flint wave]

if you plugged in mnk emulator into xbox you would get controller AA on mnk so it is just cheating

[magic pilot]

People do the same thing on pc to get aim assist on mnk

Except it's really easy to catch, button prompts will show controller but you can tell from movement it's not

[gusty ravine]

Thought consoles put a stop to zens

[magic pilot]

They keep getting updated

[strong cave]

But strictly talking legitimacy, can a legit player plug their controller in their PC with no cheats and get aim assist using their controller?

[flint wave]

Cheating software gets patched = cheating software finds a workaround

[strong cave]

Name 1 cheat dev who said "ahhh they patched it. Guess that's the end of cheating for me"

[magic pilot]

Oh yes

[gusty ravine]

Idk kek I don't play any other game that much only breakpoint and rudt

[urban latch]

The thing about complaining about people cheating on console is it's near impossible to tell, especially without seeing their pov. If it's someone just killing you in the dz you really have no idea if they are cheating or if they are just better than you

[magic pilot]

Breakpoint is technically riddled with cheaters on pc

[magic pilot]

Sometimes you can hear the mnk in their mic, they love mechanical keyboards😭

[urban latch]

All you can really say is their aim is very good, which is absolutely possible while using a controller

[gusty ravine]

I mean if ur kiting and they hitting all shots on u

[strong cave]

Damn I never noticed LOL. I dislike controller for movement. It's super clunky. It's easy on my wrists bc I have nerve damage in my left wrist. However, I feel super sluggish when I have to swap from mnk to controller

[magic pilot]

On pc you can tell very easily like when we were playing the other day

[versed summit]

Who doesn’t lmao

[magic pilot]

Quite switches on top

[stiff jasper]

@magic pilot BTW my opinion about empathic if u want to take a look

[flint wave]

If they're consistently lasering you and your in a console environment it makes them suspicious

[magic pilot]

Isac tracker helps too

[strong cave]

Pretty easy to tell when there's a rogue a couple hundred feet away, I'm behind a few brick walls, and I'm getting pegged like nobody's business thru the wall. Also obvious when I go to leap behind them and I watch their aim perfectly track me

[urban latch]

Literally all you can tell from that is they have the aim to hit you, that's all you can tell

[strong cave]

Last I recall you can't hit a target perfectly behind you

[gusty ravine]

My point

[magic pilot]

I've seen eff a ton on pvp healers, really good groups use unbreakable

[urban latch]

It's not though lol

[magic pilot]

I think it depends on the group coordination and the skill lvl of both team fighting

If you are fighting a really good group they will all target healer first

[strong cave]

Unbreakable is pretty damn good, and you're right on the money about coordination. I don't use it bc I'm healing everyone all at once anyways so I may as well buff my teammates. The only 2 times I've died is when the entire squad targeted me lol

Out of the dozens I played testing what you said about empathic, hardly anyone targeted me

[urban latch]

Dumb question but unbreakable doesn't count towards the shared FI healing does it?

[strong cave]

It all comes down to the group's playstyle

[strong cave]

Idk for sure but I can't imagine it would. Answer, likely no

[flint wave]

25% skill health coming in clutch

[magic pilot]

Explosive resistance

[flint wave]

no

skill health

[magic pilot]

Which one?

[versed summit]

Well lengmo is both

[flint wave]

yes

[magic pilot]

It was a counter to the backpack when it came out

[strong cave]

So my build ain't too far off from some of the good ones 🤨

It's just... Different that's all lmao

[magic pilot]

I don't play support too much, I mostly used empathetic, 1 foundary, 3 Fi and ninja with tech class

Or the cav hazpro build

Very limited experience on healing

[urban latch]

Is that 4th one oxy for the second skill

[magic pilot]

Might be foam I'm not sure tbh

Oxy I see on snipers a lot now

BLK was running that yesterday, 1 fire chem player, 1 sniper, 1 all red spotter and a tardi tank player

[urban latch]

With oxy on that build you can damage yourself whenever you want to medkit

As well as just pestering enemies and finishing downed players

[magic pilot]

That wouldn't surprise me if panda does that

@cyan drift can you have a chat with the clan vendor so we can get some yaahl gear

[stiff jasper]

Yes oxi are use for damaging yourself
My FI efficiency keep heal Chem and skill heal attributes so I use backfire

[stiff jasper]

Doesn't count, but at least you can control have no armor regen attribute to avoid bug

[strong cave]

I used to host multiple DH raids a day when I was farming for the Eagle Bearer in the GCROCK discord server. Typically host runs healer since they'll be center of the group anyways so I've gotten really good at playing healer roles. I'm also a big fan of run & gun builds as well as hybrids so I basically made this build to be able to do all 3. It's by far my favorite build

[magic pilot]

I heal a lot in the incursion, me and one other clan member were the main healers for all our clan runs

[strong cave]

I can swap to a damage player or somebody who deals damage but I'm at my best doing defensive plays, not offensive

My only best offensive build is my all red spotter build but I have to hit flanks and stay towards the back bc I have basically no armor

[magic pilot]

Fun build though

[strong cave]

Yup my build looks a lot like that, except I'm running a walker backpack and holster for weapon damage and damage to armor, contractors gloves, fox's knees, fenris chest with spotter and for my guns a socom Mk16 with flatline and a military Mk17 with flatline

No armor cores at all lol, strictly weapon damage

[magic pilot]

I believe the ACR is the highest dps option for linked laser now besides kingbreaker

[magic pilot]

I don't think I have any all red pvp builds lol

2 blue is the lowest I go and it's for pistol

[strong cave]

I stay away from kingbreaker ONLY bc I don't have the extended mag yet. For some reason, even when I swapped from Xbox, I could not for the life of me get the blueprint for a 762 extended mag

[magic pilot]

Need to do 181 control points lol

[strong cave]

My kingbreaker is maxed out tho

[magic pilot]

They drop like candy on Halloween

I had 3 god rolled before shd 20 on pc

[strong cave]

I finally got my first groll kingbreaker by about SHD 400

I'm 720 something now

[magic pilot]

Damn I'm gonna pass you up

I'm around the same lvl

[strong cave]

My RNG is absolutely terrible

[magic pilot]

Ps account is around 5.1k

[strong cave]

On Xbox I was about 230 ish but that's bc I had basically no knowledge of what builds are and used random stuff

Didn't buy the DLC until late 2022

Swapped mid 2023, I got about 300h for PC and almost SHD 1000

[strong cave]

I'll be SHD 1000 before that point 😭

[vestal ibex]

Reanimated next week. Get yo chainkiller/D50 determined ready and pop off yo. Perfect time to expertise named items and skills.

[strong cave]

I cannot wait to do that one. I heard you can buy legacy caches bc my next build will be system corruption 😈

[onyx sage]

regulus time

[strong cave]

I got a nasty perfect intimidate chest I wanna use

[strong cave]

Nah, Liberty hunters fury ✌️

[vestal ibex]

Yikes.

[strong cave]

😹

I mean if I really wanted to make my life hell I'll just pull out my level 1 gear from the stash and go farm with that... It'll take me several days to kill 1 red ad but I think I can do it as long as it's set to normal difficulty

[vestal ibex]

If you have a chainkiller and a D50 the rest of your gear can be grey during reanimated.

[onyx sage]

so pro

[versed summit]

G36 and AKs should be higher

[vestal ibex]

Bro first build guide???

[blissful rampart]

FYI they both are higher

Burst
ACR 642,731
AKM 672,270
AK 656,760
G36 651,893

IIRC though ACR more stable.

[magic pilot]

I was looking at sustained

And I ignore the AK since it has almost the same handling has KB

At that point just use KB

[blissful rampart]

fair on AK

[magic pilot]

It's just a worse kingbreaker lol

[blissful rampart]

i wonder if KB even beats AK with flatline though 🤔

[cyan drift]

hasn't been a shipment in months

[blissful rampart]

AK flatline 756 burst vs KB 764 burst, soo it does still, okay

[versed summit]

Yeah ACR is the only one that isn’t butt to use.

[magic pilot]

Ak has a use??

[slate nest]

its today actually
#news-and-announcements message

[magic pilot]

No determined

I don't even have it in my library

I refuse

[vestal ibex]

Mr. IwantfastSHDandCPclears

[magic pilot]

If you do want to cheese determined I'd use 4 hotshot setup with g28

It's enough dmg to one shot elites on leg in duo

[vestal ibex]

M14

[magic pilot]

Can't use hotshot then

[vestal ibex]

You don't need it tho.

[magic pilot]

No reload on hotshot

[versed summit]

Well it has a use but I’d still say I don’t like using it.

[onyx sage]

use model 700 on hhf

[magic pilot]

You just spam

[onyx sage]

forget regulus

[magic pilot]

The whole point is the reload and bonus armor you don't need the dmg

I was running Roosevelt with bloodsucker and g28 last time

[vestal ibex]

Reload isn't a factor so much.

[magic pilot]

My library is almost done already

I've done more skills than brand or gearsets lol

[vestal ibex]

Cause you don't run countdown.

[magic pilot]

I run a decent amount of CD

Sadly conflict you can't even lvl anything for expertise

It completely removes it from the game lol

[vestal ibex]

I mean that's better anyway.

[magic pilot]

I at least wanna gain xp for the stuff

[gusty ravine]

Dz iron lung build hmu if u got 1

[devout agate]

On the regen build with ouro would it also work if I use chatterbox?

[tawdry flare]

New lmg meta

[devout agate]

I need a DZ chatterbox build

[tulip charm]

why chatter

Terrible gun for pvp imo

[devout agate]

It’s not good at all?

The talent looks really good

[tulip charm]

Its not

[devout agate]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

It's good for oxi spamming. At least in pve

[cyan drift]

@magic pilot I've also been waiting for yaahl for months as well, my Cavalealer build is just sitting there

and I had to deface a hollow man mask just to get the disrupt resistance quota ( ._.)

[wise swallow]

you do not

chatter is absolutely useless bad in PVP

The only circumstance where it would be okay is DZ south. fighting on the stairs underneath the landmark, could proc it off NPC's upstairs

even that is a stretch

[ember jacinth]

does anyone have a good brainless drone/turret build for summit?

[vestal ibex]

Pinned messages>spreadsheet>Hun(builds) tab>evernote link to the right side of builds.

[magic pilot]

Barely outdps the ouro at max stacks, so for one mag you have a slightly better gun lol

[wise swallow]

pretty much lmao

[magic pilot]

Then for 99% of gameplay it's completely trash

[wise swallow]

and even proccing it fully on those stairs is super hard

[hexed steppe]

this, but only till you hit an emp room.

[ember jacinth]

Swap to something like this for EMP rooms?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, pretty much. there are stronger versions of striker, but itll definitly handle summit

[ember jacinth]

Where would I get those? I'm just getting back into the game after a few years of a break

[hexed steppe]

the pins on this channel has a spreadsheet. souless mentioned it above. hub (builds) tab has a number of different proven, up to date, builds

[rocky rain]

Is there a ‘default’ shotgun build? I’ve been playing with Hotshot/MMR but missing a shot is unforgivable. Would like to try a shotgun build

[hexed steppe]

traditional hunters fury with scorpio probably. you can also headhunter hunters fury with m870 as well, but it has the drawback that your hotshot build has

[rocky rain]

Thanks, will give that a try. Always ouro’s becomes a bit boring…

[hexed steppe]

yeah fr. i like rolling in a mortar or eclipse build from time to time to break up the playstyle a bit

[devout agate]

What’s the best weapons for pvp

I know ouro but what else

[rocky rain]

Yes, I like HW too, and ND can be funny in a group

[magic pilot]

Bighorn, EB, f2k, m870

Nemesis and m700

Tac vector with sadist on ridgeway build

[signal pivot]

Why does the pin build use perfect headhunter + perfect vigil? isn't the HG 2pc better?

For sniper build

[onyx sage]

perfect vigilance isn't as good but perfect headhunter makes you more likely to one-shot elite by 2nd kill

also HG is harder to farm

[serene hare]

Is this build good or should I change something?

I'll get my 58% crit chance after the last optimization of that Banshee.

If only it was perfectly 60%, but for that I'll have to max level the crit chance from the SHD and, remove the crit chance mods.

[urban latch]

thats real solid

[hexed steppe]

looks pretty good . keep a memento bag handy incase you start feeling real squishy. mem plays well with hf

mem also gives your shield 2 skilltiers and scale up shield health from the efficiency

[serene hare]

Ok, that's really good to know.

[strong cave]

Pretty good, solid build. My only advice would be swap vigilance to Unstoppable Force so that way your damage stacks instead of losing your buff when taking damage. You could swap busy bee with liberty and run the full shield and do wicked pistol damage or you can use Scorpio or the Chatterbox

Another fun variant I've seen people use is intimidate on the chest piece and bloodsucker on the backpack

Whichever fits your playstyle is usually best :D

[serene hare]

I saw one who uses HF with Gunner, Intimidate and... something I don't remember what is it for backback.

[versed summit]

Ad rush pairs well with intimidate as well.

[serene hare]

I wonder if I should change the reviving hive for jammer pulse

Well, I'll test it.

[magic pilot]

Ad rush bloodsucker or memento

[short nexus]

i want to make a gunslinger build, with a pump action shotgun, a levergun or a bolt rifle, and a big iron, any suggestions?

[magic pilot]

Regulus, 1886 and double barrel

[short nexus]

ooh good idea, what about armors and skills?

[magic pilot]

Can go high end or hunters fury

DCH looks nice for cowboy

[short nexus]

hunters fury? isnt that an SMG kit?

[magic pilot]

Hunters fury has kind of a rustic look natively

[magic pilot]

Shotgun and smg but it's super common with all slow firing high dmg weapons like pistols and mmrs as well

Rifles too

It's a common speedrun setup

[short nexus]

oh interesting, should i go HF chestplate or something like chainkiller

[serene hare]

I honestly think the Banshee is way stronger with Striker build.
The Vector and the AUG A3 seems stronger with the HF build.

So is the Chain swap

I need to get this max damage tho.

[magic pilot]

Chainkiller

[short nexus]

well i already have that, so thats convenient

hf backpack or something like vigilance?

wait it would have to be HF backpack, cause DCG and PCK is 2 parts

[serene hare]

After so much suffering, damn

Now I have 4 weapons to roll, Regulus, Scorpio, Dread Edict and the Nemesis.

[steep flint]

Does anyone here play a lot of healer? I'm looking for a fun healer build that can still at least put out a little damage

[hazy steeple]

Red FI has gotta be it.
good healing, decent damage, just all around a great support setup.

There's a link to it in the 📌 pinned spreadsheet > builds.

[steep flint]

@hazy steeple TYSM

[hazy steeple]

The most important thing to remember about the build is: heal others to heal yourself more.

[steep flint]

Oh okay i see. I've just gotten back into div 2 after years so for the past few weeks its been nothing but dps for me lol. thanks for the tip

[serene hare]

Should I?

[solar sable]

I mean, they're all ""useless""

[serene hare]

So that's a yes?

[solar sable]

Diamondback is fun to use

but also pretty common, so you could farm another one

[serene hare]

On the last component, JESUS CHRIST!

I still unable to oneshot named enemies with my Regulus just with Headhunter stack.

I wonder if it will finally happen if this weapon become max optimize and my Dodge City get 10% HSD from 8,2%.

[onyx sage]

yeah you need buffs to one shot named

thankfully m870 exists

[serene hare]

I think I'll be able to oneshot heroic named enemies with a few more tweaks

There's no way this is not possible.

[onyx sage]

you can with hunter's fury full stacks

[tawdry flare]

Only solo

M870 Works upto legendary

[rocky rain]

I tend to agree with you. Maybe for Elites not but for casual CP clearance you might be right.

[tulip charm]

HG is just pure flex/min-maxing

[signal pivot]

Min-maxing in this min-maxing game?!

[hazy steeple]

At this exact time, at this exact location?

[tawdry flare]

Wut

[shy willow]

2 HG is better at top end but stacking slightly slower and it's an absolute pain to farm

It's a big flex

[hazy steeple]

Can I see it?

[tawdry flare]

See what

I am so confused

[tawdry flare]

It's best at initial and top

[shy willow]

Damage makes up for non perfect?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah DMG is king regardless

[tepid trout]

Dmg caps at same amount chainkiller just procs it quicker

[shy willow]

Yeah just thought chainkiller would still ramp up damage higher

[opal peak]

hello, im looking into a good healing build aimed at doing legendary missions (like zoo this week) is there something that need to be adapted versus a raid healing build ? thanks in advance for your insights

[slate nest]

your big ||5.11 collection||

[tawdry flare]

Naa his System can't handle 5.11 it will crash

[onyx sage]

it's still opportunistic + btsu

[opal peak]

okay thanks so nothing to change out

[grim birch]

Bullet king with striker what a beast

[shy willow]

Beast is a slight overstatement

[grim birch]

Beast modeee

Beastie

[shy willow]

If you want the no reload experience I recommend a steady handed GR9 instead

[grim birch]

I already played it

But for some reason I like the Bk better lol

[hazy steeple]

It's a giant gold gun, what's not to like?

[snow ingot]

Bk with OD gear set is super fun for lower tiers. Never even blinking over ammo is funny

I’m not good enough to make it work on heroic

[fickle girder]

Where is the builds pined at? I must be blind as crap but don’t see it 😂

[hazy steeple]

this channel > 📌 > "link to the spreadsheet 2" > Builds tab.

[potent carbon]

What the best build for artillery turet?

[opal peak]

look in pinned messages you have a link to a build gsheet, you can find the mortar yellow build in it

[magic pilot]

Bk is better now iirc

[placid tendon]

I'd like some advice on build

was looking the meta for pvp with st.elmo and dark winter says I need coruption set but there is none atm

any advice?

[vestal ibex]

Farm the GE and buy legacy caches.

Otherwise pick a different build.

[placid tendon]

what's GE

[vestal ibex]

Global event.

Do you own the DLC?

[placid tendon]

yes

I'm shd lvl 200

just wanna optimize my pvp and pve builds

[vestal ibex]

Well easy way to do that is to post a screen shot of your build. [Example](#td2-build-advice message) of what I mean. Most of us know these builds need to be optimized.

[placid tendon]

Alright just gotta finish countdown

[urban latch]

What says you need corruption? Like system corruption? Generally that is a very different gearsets to farm, and is very underwhelming

[placid tendon]

pvp meta 2024 says I need system corruption

[vestal ibex]

Who gave you this info tho?

[urban latch]

What is saying that...

[vestal ibex]

Was it a dirty youtuber?

[onyx sage]

🤦‍♂️

[urban latch]

Ok so..... That's a site selling boosting, which is against terms of the discord and the game....

[placid tendon]

I know but it's the only one I found that gives info

on what to build

[urban latch]

They've also got a clear self interest in telling you that you need the hardest possible gear to farm, and oh btw you can pay them to farm it for you. They are incentivised to mislead you

[placid tendon]

I ain't paying a dollar

was just looking what I need for gear

[vestal ibex]

Well you've come to the right place then.

[placid tendon]

trying to get memento's for 3days now

[urban latch]

Check the pinned spreadsheet, there's a PVP guide in there. Although we are planning on updating that guide soon

[placid tendon]

I mostly get melted by oroboros in pvp

[urban latch]

It's up to date enough to get you started

[vestal ibex]

That do be PVP.

[placid tendon]

I can win on long range with st elmo

[vestal ibex]

Just do as Raucey says, "just don't die".

[placid tendon]

words to live by

the git gud treatment

Ok am down with my countdown will send pics of my gear if you can advise me

would appreciate it (doing pve build atm) but would like to optimize my pvp as well

[versed summit]

Haven’t heard from Dod to double check, but when factoring in the extra 10% ROF you can add to the GR9, it should be better.

[placid tendon]

this is my stats atm

my build for pve

[onyx sage]

go to the pinned sheet in this channel and look for the strikers guide. first thing you want to do is drop ninjabike

[placid tendon]

I know I've been trying to get memento but It just won't drop :/

[onyx sage]

not even that. use striker backpack

[placid tendon]

ah so what fenris and czeska for last 2 parts or?

[onyx sage]

you want a solid build to use in group content also

coyote's mask/grupo mask and ceska chest

[versed summit]

Ninja bike is never a reasonable substitute for memento.

[placid tendon]

I got acostas

that's the only 2 exotic backpacks I got

[onyx sage]

you don't have to use an exotic backpack lmao

just use the striker backpack

[onyx sage]

yes

[placid tendon]

I got it already

[vestal ibex]

You putting the striker backpack on will be an instant upgrade.

[onyx sage]

also dispel the notion that exotic = good. most of them are trash

[placid tendon]

oro and st elmo's are nice tho

[vestal ibex]

Those are two good ones yes.

[onyx sage]

there are good and bad exotics

most are bad

[placid tendon]

yeah I know that

I mostly read the talents

[vestal ibex]

The list of bad exotics is much longer than the list of good ones.

[onyx sage]

it's overwhelmingly the majority that are bad

[placid tendon]

so crit hit dmg on backpack right

if I'm over 50% chance on crit just dump into dmg

[onyx sage]

yep

[placid tendon]

kk

ok so this should suffice

running this for the holster

[onyx sage]

yes those are good

if you run ceska holster, you need striker chest

[placid tendon]

I should replace this tho

[onyx sage]

yes the mask isn't that good

[placid tendon]

striker's chest

[onyx sage]

if you have a grupo mask, use it until you get coyote

[placid tendon]

So I should be aiming for coyote

[onyx sage]

yep

and a ceska chest with double crit and obliterate

[placid tendon]

I could tinker this penumber until I get coyote

or run this petrov one

[onyx sage]

you will have 2 setups:

• striker chest + ceska holster
• ceska chest with obliterate

the second setup is more applicable to most scenarios, the first is only rather used in legendaries and incursion

[placid tendon]

the second one is I can put the obliterate into the chest but I'm guessing I should try and get a better piece cause it's mid tier

[vestal ibex]

I'd use it tho.

[placid tendon]

changed mask to this until I get coyote

[versed summit]

That should work well for now, but definitely try to get a better piece. You can use it on so many DPS builds.

[placid tendon]

understood

[urban latch]

High end chests and backpacks are always the hardest to farm to get all the right rolls on them, so it's sort of expected to not have the perfect items in place right away. Just upgrade as you go.

[placid tendon]

I couldn't change the crit chance but until I get coyote's this should be ok

[placid tendon]

oh I've been playing for a while I just stoped in 2017 and came back like a week ago

[vestal ibex]

Div 1 then?

[placid tendon]

Played Div 1 and Div 2 stoped before dlc came out I was lvl 30

well max back then

[vestal ibex]

Basically a different game now.

[placid tendon]

ye

ok so over 150% crit hit now

I'm just not sure if I should be running a 250bullet lmg on secondary or maybe take white death

[vestal ibex]

ACS variants are popular to stack quickly.

[placid tendon]

any advice for secondary and pistol?

[vestal ibex]

ACS variants and pistol doesn't matter but good picks are TDI kard custom or an orbit.

[placid tendon]

I got the tdi kard custom

so basically just roll with this for pve and get the coyote mask

[vestal ibex]

Befriend someone with coyotes and make them wear it.

[onyx sage]

like me

[placid tendon]

my friend told me that the best way to get it is to kill coyote well farm her

[onyx sage]

i will carry as long as you promise to give me ninjabike backpack if you get it

[onyx sage]

not really... just do countdown challenging

[placid tendon]

sure man I get ninja backpacks like crazy

sadly no memento

I'm M0tka on Ubisoft add me 🙂

[onyx sage]

later

[placid tendon]

So for pvp are hybrid builds better

[onyx sage]

for pvp you want more armor yeah

[placid tendon]

so core attributes blue and the rest crit chance and crit dmg I assume

is it worth it to get skill lvls?

[onyx sage]

you mean skill tier

sometimes, you tend to hyperfocus on either skill tier or armor, but not both

[placid tendon]

any advice? what would be better

personal opinions help as well

[onyx sage]

raucey has a pvp guide but idk if it's being updated or not

i also don't pvp as much as i use pvp tactics in pve

so i won't speak on that personally, but there are people who will chime in

[magic pilot]

It is

Working on it lol

[placid tendon]

I got coyote on 2nd countdown LMAO

let's goo

have so much of the reroll materials

time to spend them

we guchi

well my pve build is now set I still need some pvp advice

I was guessing I need an smg cause otherwise I don't stand a chance up close

[versed summit]

PvP guide in the pinned spreadsheet. Getting an update SoonTM

[versed summit]

Probably better off with an AR, or otherwise you’ll likely get shredded by an Ouro player

[placid tendon]

gotcha

do I stand a chance against oro with capacitor or lady death or white death

[magic pilot]

Lady death with godly movement

[placid tendon]

armor or full dmg

also any incursion builds?

I'd like to try it but I heard it's hard

[onyx sage]

_ _

[placid tendon]

ah so striker set is basically meta

[versed summit]

Yep

[placid tendon]

gotcha

[magic pilot]

Dz pvp?

[wise swallow]

mortar build yes

and white death can still 1 tap with spotter vigi and 3 hotshot

last slot is foxes contractors or picaros I dont think it makes any meaningful difference

[devout agate]

Is the Sokolov chest good to use with ouro?

[placid tendon]

gotcha so white death is viable

on mortar build do I need lvl 6 skill

[wise swallow]

that or M700

but im pretty sure white death still does over 1.9

which is enough to kill basically anyone in 1 shot

M700 might do closer to 2m

[placid tendon]

what about the skill lvl for mortar

do I need to have it on 6

[placid tendon]

Sry my bad not white death I meant dark winter the smg got the names mixed up

Like that or lady death

[wise swallow]

oh

Lady death is way better

[placid tendon]

how come cause I see dark winter having 300 more RPM

cause of the talent or

cause I'd think backfire's talent would be amazing as well

but it has under 1000rpm

[wise swallow]

its not

the backfire part makes it pretty bad

[wise swallow]

talent is useless in PVP

[placid tendon]

ah ok then so lady death would be the pick over dark winter

[wise swallow]

yes

LD has a huge amp on it

[placid tendon]

any gear recommendations?

[wise swallow]

just requires alot of movement

as in build or guns?

[placid tendon]

build

[magic pilot]

2 sokolov for chest and bag, grupo mask, picaros, fox, contractors

Ad rush and unbreakable

[grim plank]

what is the best sniper headshot build for pve? i use a build now if i optimize it i have 320% headshot dmg

[solar sable]

Hotshot

[grim plank]

hotshot and the other pieces?

[solar sable]

Sniper Setups

[grim plank]

is the m700 the same as the carbon version?

[tulip charm]

There’s different m700

[grim plank]

ah okay thanks

[tulip charm]

Tactical model and carbon

[grim plank]

and i need the model version?

[tulip charm]

Not necessarily

[glossy scarab]

do you want more power and a very very slow reload or less power with a quick mag change

[tulip charm]

Thats basically what it comes down to