td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

but the toxicity just makes it abrasive

[vestal ibex]

Turn off chat and voip.

[rich lotus]

true

but if i get randoms in pve i dont wanna constantly toggle

[vestal ibex]

Make friends and run with a group will help too.

[wise swallow]

join in

makes it more fun

[urban latch]

People run dumb setups all the time. In fact that's the majority of pvp builds

[gentle lichen]

Noo i want to hear them scream 24/7 behind a turret

Or spend 30 minutes on the ground lecturing me about the importance of skill

[wise swallow]

hey

that is not true

[wise swallow]

we arent known for our inteligence but dumb is mean

[gentle lichen]

You want to see the duality of man and the tenacity of the human being? Look no further than pvp players

[wise swallow]

what does that even mean

[gentle lichen]

It shouldn't mean anything

[wise swallow]

too many big words

[urban latch]

Lol, not saying no one out there knows what they are doing, but the ones that don't outnumber the ones that do.

[gentle lichen]

One build that sticks out like a sore thumb is these ones

You find variations where they add another brazos for the mag size

And it's always the capacitor

[wise swallow]

Theres like 2 builds ik of where ninjabike is semi okay

Theres a hybrid healer and HF with 3 striker

the hybrid healer is actually decent the HF with striker is just pointless unless your just tryna try out striker and need something okay thats easy to get

[rich lotus]

ugh

got to the lovebirds then 2 toxic people said "idc if its your first time you should know what to do"

[snow ingot]

Googlely mooglely

[rich lotus]

gave me destiny 2 lfg vibes

just cus i watch a yt video doesnt mean imma know everything ;-;

dang

welp

peak times have ended and idk how i got that catharsis roll from a cache

but thats my first all max roll so :KeqWeeeeeee:

[urban latch]

HF/striker with ninjabike is not at all worth it...

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmsRSExlsdE Lovebirds guide made by the guy who made a ton of the build guides. Highly recommend.

[wise swallow]

yea ik but its not unusably bad

[tulip charm]

????????

[wise swallow]

if your really poor its better then a misrolled bad brand

thats about the only application

[urban latch]

When we're talking about builds worth using the bar should be higher than "what shd10s can put together"

[wise swallow]

this is PVP. the standard for semi okay is what shd 10s put together

[urban latch]

My original point lol

[wise swallow]

I actually do wanna test it and see how much lower it is

just for curiosities sake

[rich lotus]

sadly i kinda learnt how tod o it you just stick in spawn and rotate which boss you shoot at really

at least thats as far as i got

[magic pilot]

@shy willow

[vestal ibex]

Well it's never to late to better yourself.

[urban latch]

That is just an awful way....

[rich lotus]

and that guy made a completley different guide and welcome to what i hate about people

you have to learn all the 60 different ways specific people do it

or you get kicked or they leave

its dumb

(oh and they dont tell you their way they just assume youre a mind reader)

its d2 lfgs all over again yayyyyyyyyy ✨

idk how you guys deal with people like that daily

[vestal ibex]

Not sure where you had this trouble but if you wanna get some good runs in the community discord is great for it. I run teaching incursions all the time.

[rich lotus]

tbh i normally just solo stuff but i cant solo that one for obvious reasons ;-;

means i dont have to deal with lfg or randoms

because people can be some really bitter coffee sometimes

like me :p

[vestal ibex]

Well if you want I can DM you some discords used for LFGs and you can find some people to run with.

[rich lotus]

sure

[magic pilot]

I'm down for some runs

[wise swallow]

you wanna do DH at some point

[magic pilot]

I need to get EB still

[vestal ibex]

Egul bugwer

[wise swallow]

shame your playing with that handicap

[magic pilot]

im so lost

[sudden fog]

noob gun oreo clear

[magic pilot]

i have ouro

EB is for pvp

[sudden fog]

see i wouldn’t know that since i’m shd 200

and i’d probably get destroyed if i stepped into dz

[magic pilot]

im shd 600 on pc

i pvp

[sudden fog]

hmmm might go in dz and see what happens then

[magic pilot]

start with conflict

[sudden fog]

any like specific builds or nah

[magic pilot]

I got you

itll be in the guide soon 😉

[sudden fog]

all the red core chd and chc?

[magic pilot]

attributes yes

[sudden fog]

cute almost got godroll eb just needed a bit more ar damage

[sudden fog]

alr

[snow compass]

can I know the sniper you use ?

[fierce garnet]

That's the nemesis

[serene hare]

I got the Regulus Blueprint (finally), but I already killed the bosses of the week, I'll be able to get the Regulus parts only next week?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[serene hare]

Dammit, man...

I feel like an ape now because I didn't know that the previous projects rewards you with the forge material thing.

I killed the bosses just for the material.

[shy willow]

🤨

[serene hare]

Dodge City doesn't work with Sawed-off shotguns, meh

[onyx sage]

reroll talent ye

[plain girder]

Thoughts on a build with thia, oxuro gloves holster knee pads all status effect, eletrice cp with madbomber status effect, perfect opportunistic backpack and mby coyote/bio mask and spamm fire grenades in countdown at the end for perfect sledghammer?

Was thinking of perfect madbomber chestpiece but the explosive resistance does nothing for damage wise and makes it harder to refund nades vise having a chestpiece giving status effect but that range is nice tho ngl...

The acostagobag is nice for nades but id like to proc percect opportunistic being a dps support

[shy willow]

If you wanna burn, just use eclipse

[plain girder]

Yea theres that 1 to but since im mainly using the fire nades to proc sledghammer i thought burn duration from oxuro would be better and allows me 2 only have 2 use 3 pieces since idc about the 4th piece attribute

[hexed steppe]

use this for countdown. 100% hazpro cc eclipse. foam chem and preference 2nd skill. yaahl not required and would use a hanna or eletrique mask with hazpro on all 6 pieces. skill haste everywhere else.
this will buff the shit out of your team.
scorpio 20% amp
opp 15% amp
sledge for 40% damage to armor and armor plates
survivalist 10% amp against status affected npcs

[plain girder]

Yea thats kinda what im aiming for similar but with madbomber so i can spamm sledgammer the whole time

[hexed steppe]

you wont use that as much as you think. spread out npcs.

need to farm youself a better camera /s

[plain girder]

True lol is sometimes situational but near the extraction site alot npcs shilling there

[plain girder]

Lmao

[hexed steppe]

youll still have fire nades. thats the only build i use in countdown and its never let me down.

could technically drop the mask all together , make mask eclipse, and still use mad bomber . 6 hazpro rolls will still get you too 100% with your watch and eclipse hazpro bonus

[wise swallow]

EB superior

if you can get a stack im down to do DH today

[fiery gust]

You can still get the parts this week if you have an alt character to run the raid on.

[serene hare]

Yeah, someone told me that, but I don't have it.

And doing a complete WONY just to get to play raid isn't in my schedue.

[fiery gust]

Ah, ok. Fair lol. I farmed up an alt specifically for that a couple weeks ago.

[steep flint]

So…. Still looking for my perfect matador but for now I just have these two for the catharsis shield splinterer DZ build and ideally I know I want armor with chc and chd but for now I have these. I’m not sure if it’s worth switching to the new one if I recalibrated it because I’d be losing either chc or chd, but it also has perfect damage and headshot damage so I’m just not sure if it’s worth the trade off or not

[tulip charm]

Ngl that first one is insane

[tulip charm]

At the end it depends on the build

[fresh grove]

Roll the 2nd one to armor and optimize the crit damage.

[wise swallow]

@magic pilot

May have a mental breakdown over that post

2 perfect matadors whilst i still dont have any :)

[shy willow]

Already recalibrated oof

[tulip charm]

Its a shame that the 2nd one is rolled with crit xd

Iirc it was explosive res on the 2nd one

[sullen sun]

Can someone post their Vanguard build?

[hazy steeple]

For the final Manhunt mission? Just take a build that kills stuff fast and maybe the Jammer Pulse for when you get swarmed by Hounds. It's quite short.

"call for backup" (and recall each time someone joins) will work quite fast as a lot of people are trying to do it.

[fresh grove]

Rip

[real blade]

guys, is white death still good for 1 shot build legendary or heroic dificulties?

[hazy steeple]

It's still good yeah, but there's better options now that kill more efficiently.
model 700 is technically the highest of the non-Nemesis MMR's, with sr1 being the 2nd best but overall better since it can reload an entire mag at once.

[real blade]

thank you, is there a minimum headshot stats to get 1 shot?? and is it possible to get nemesis from countdown and countdown exotic cache ?

[solar sable]

You can start oneshotting everything with all WD cores maxed out, ur sniper, and some HSD atts.

Yes, you can, but do you have Nemesis BP?

[real blade]

i have wd with max weapon damage and headshot, and nope. i dont have nemesis. okay thank you. ill farm nemesis next

[solar sable]

Wait, you're using White Death? Get SR-1, it's the top sniper for your hotshot build

[shy willow]

I was expecting to have to fight through the tanker tbh

[real blade]

planning to use white death, noted. ill get sr-1. thank you!!!

[real blade]

@solar sable btw is there a minimum headshot stats? To get 1 shot. Right now i have 300% headshot damage. And only 4 mill damage.

[grim plank]

is chd important for bighorn headshot pvp build?

[gentle lichen]

It's kinda in the name

Headshot.
You wouldn't be focusing much on chd

[versed summit]

9/10 you don't mix CHD with HSD. They're additive to each other, so your returns aren't great.

[grim plank]

perfect

im full of headshot and regen

[hexed steppe]

Minimum 150% to get most out of headhunter buff (1250% increase). Everything above will help your first shot to start your chain.
There are better options than whitedeath atm, but wd will still 1shot everything a sr1 or m700 carbon can.
Whatever option you go with try and get your stability to 100% so you have no scope sway.
Combo of weapon handling and stability mods will be very beneficial

You'll have to target a red/purple to start your chains. Or have follow up shots to start on an elite if you're not stacked yet.

[half cosmos]

What tallent would u suggest on a crit built smg?

Rn its a tactical ump-45
145.3k dmg

14.2% smg damage
15.5% chc
8% to out of cover

Killer

[hexed steppe]

strained or fast hands

[real blade]

ah i see okay noted, thank you so much!!!

[frail marlin]

Could someone share me a good tank build for group pve activities? Thx

That can also do some dps

[shy willow]

literally just striker with some blues

same with HF or heartbreaker

[frail marlin]

Great thx

Is ninja bike with 3 strikers and two brazos de Acabuz with ourobouros any valuable?

[vestal ibex]

Striker BP will give more damage and the skill tiers gained aren't worth it for damage skills and if you'd like a stronger shield you'd be better off just putting a couple blues on or if solo just using a memento. Ninja backpack seems good but aside of a couple PVP builds there are better options in almost any case.

[opal glade]

Alternate Rifle is m1a

since the gear patch - are any rifles more viable in a rifle red build?

[vestal ibex]

Eh not really tbh. I don't even think they touched rifles in resolve and if they did it wasn't in any meaningful way.

[blissful rampart]

they did BUT the buffs to rifles just made the bad rifles less bad, still not great though.

[frail marlin]

Thx

[half cosmos]

I have a question about how negotiator dilema works

Say i mark 3 enemies

A
B
C

Now description says hitting crits will damage the marks enemies yes?

So if I hit someone who is already marked

Will they take damage fron

1. the gun chd AND the one from mark

2)Only from the gun?

[vestal ibex]

Not sure exactly what your asking here, sounds like you're wondering if it's self cyclic or something... ND marks share crits. So you have to shoot a marked enemy and if you crit on them it'll share it to others you've marked.

[bright dove]

Don't you need like the chest piece or the backpack for the shared crit to be the full damage ?

[gentle lichen]

The marked enemy you shoot will take normal damage and crit damage.
The the enemies that you didn't shoot but have the mark on will only take the crit damage

[opal glade]

Doesnt read like that

If you crit than other marked targets getting the damage you've done to the one you critted

60% without backpack / 100% with backpack

[gentle lichen]

You mean the marked enemy you shot will share the damage to itself? I don't think so

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex bruh

[opal glade]

No i mean it shares the complete damage to other marked targets you inflicted if you crit - not just only the crit damage

The target you hit will ofc only get the damage dealt you did with your hit (not doubel dmg or some stuff)

[half cosmos]

I essentially want to know if hitting a already tagged target can lead to 2x the damage

1 from the crit from gun
2nd from the mark inflicting the crit

[vestal ibex]

It's not self cyclic. If you crit a marked enemy it'll SHARE that crit hit to other marked enemies. Share is the keyword.

[opal glade]

no

[half cosmos]

Ok got it

Ty

Also oroboros chatterbox or scorpion on the +smg and shotgun damage build (forgot the 4 peice set name)

[opal glade]

Scorpion is always good cause its Scorpion 😄

when in doubt: Scorpion

[vestal ibex]

When in doubt, scorp it out.

[onyx sage]

backpack is good, chest is shit

[tulip charm]

carry me

[hexed steppe]

All you really need to know is...
Nego is 😍

[snow ingot]

Heartbreak 💪

[hexed steppe]

Wont catch me in that trash set

[solar sable]

mind if you show ur nego build? 👀

[hexed steppe]

Older shots. I been using tech class a bit more. Spec are preference tho

Coyote is 50ish chc.
60chc otherwise

[hexed steppe]

I just think the damage transfer is kinda simplified when explaining most of the time. It's a pretty cool mechanic that you can really utilize to your advantage.
Damage is only conditioned on the target and not the marks (think dta,dttooc). So if your hitting a target that's out of cover the other marks will be taking that ooc damage even if they are tucked into cover.
If target and mark are both armored and you have dta, the transfered damage gets a second dta calculation.
Immune items (some) can be destroyed with transfered damage.
I think there is some 1shot strats that utilize nego transfer and weak points but I'm not well versed in that.

Either way it's one of that best dps sets and rivals striker for general use.

[solar sable]

Im glad I kept almost god rolled nego pieces from a past mission

[hexed steppe]

It's nice not really worrying about stacking. It does stack chd from kills but it's not a make or break thing and dont need to think about it.
The set loves rifles.
It might take some getting used to marking targets, but if you spray a spawn and focus on biggest health pool you'll be doing good

[snow ingot]

Dare and heartbreak have done me well over the past few weeks.

Didn’t realize how trash my build was before that. Was getting rolled on challenging cuz I couldn’t break armor

[hexed steppe]

Hb isnt that bad tbh, I just didnt like it when I tried.
I was always high end then nego. I didnt even make a striker build until maybe 2months ago. Not a fan of stacking, but I cant deny that striker has a lot of damage potential for some tasks

[flint wave]

What isn't outclassed by striker smh

[versed summit]

headhunter

[flint wave]

breadhunter

[snow ingot]

It’s effectively the same thing as striker, just gives damage over fire rate for 3 piece and can’t stack as high, but gives bonus armor

[flint wave]

The bonus armor isn't executed well

while the damage is significantly worse

just run memento striker for same results but better damage

[snow ingot]

It’s funny when running a tank build I have teeny tiny armor bars cuz there’s so many

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that bonus armor only happens when you gain a stack, once fully stacked you don't gain anymore.

[snow ingot]

True, but by the time I’m at full stacks only chungas and bosses can look at me without getting slammed. But it would be nice if I could keep refreshing it

I recalibrated all the cores to red, just need to min max minor bonuses.

I’m debating not using an exotic in order to wear a ceska bag

Unless I drop contractor gloves but they work so well

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes/ceska vigi bag, ceska somewhere/memento. These are the two setups I'd suggest for HB.

[magic pilot]

New hazpro build?

[snow ingot]

What makes striker so good

[hexed steppe]

Massive damage, not conditioned on pulsing/ tech laser

[vestal ibex]

Blue strikers better than blue HB too.

[snow ingot]

The only difference I’m seeing is fire rate on 3 piece

Which is sizable tbf

[vestal ibex]

Well the issue with HB is LLP and being tech locked aside of the stacking issues HBs has with not being able to stack on skill proxys and just being funk for stacks sometimes.

[snow ingot]

What is llp

[vestal ibex]

linked laser pointer

[snow ingot]

Huh

[vestal ibex]

HB without it feels so much worse

[hexed steppe]

Underbarrel attachment that pulses what you aim at. Locked to tech spec

[vestal ibex]

Don't get me wrong tho I think HB is still a good build but when you compare it things kinda stick out.

[snow ingot]

It pulses on headshot

I’m not trying to argue it’s better, just don’t see why it is t more popular

[vestal ibex]

It does, sounds like you should try the LLP and see how much better it'll feel.

Ah look an enemy, ope already pulsed.

That and kingbreaker synergy is gud.

[snow ingot]

I am doubtful, but I shall try

Dare is the same thing as lingbrealer but lmg with 5 times the mag size

Will def try the llp tho

[rich lotus]

Wait so what's the advice for guns gear and skills for dz PvP?

[vestal ibex]

ehhh KB has a higer DPS and can have a LLP where the dare can't have a LLP.

Or wait maybe it can. Idr

[snow ingot]

Sustained brrrrrrrrrrr goes hard tho. But understandable.

Now pvp is a different story, but we don’t play that so we don’t gotta talk about it

[vestal ibex]

@magic pilot WHERE SPREAD SHEET?

[vestal ibex]

Also I wanna use a crusader shield and push into peoples faces while protecting vigi.

[blissful rampart]

Dare cannot mount LLP, hence why it never took off with HB. also King breaker has MUCH higher dps then dare

another issue HB has is its stack drain is faster then striker, hence it really needs ACS stacking for HB.

overall HB is a good set its just, strikers is much stronger and even Blue striker is stronger too.

[rich lotus]

:?

[snow ingot]

Okay so I’m not throwing, just not peak performance

[hexed steppe]

Technically it was popular for a hot minute... then striker got an adjustment and that was a wrap.

[vestal ibex]

This guy is the guy to ask about PVP builds. He is working on putting together build guides and such for PVP.

[rich lotus]

Hmmm I see

Ngl from what I saw on dz PvP it's just getting a full squad and attacking the noob players running solo

Or at least that's the common way

Or use the div 1 strat and lag switch :p

Lol but nah FR people use some wacky builds in dz

[vestal ibex]

4 man gank is any game tho.

[rich lotus]

The amount of people using memento tho

Or the one person I got that came up to me mid landmark and minced me almost instantly

and then spawn camped my checkpoint when I respawned ;-;

[magic pilot]

It's doneee😭

I'm waiting for Raucey to update it

[vestal ibex]

Dat boi is LAZY

[magic pilot]

He's workin rn

I had off today 😬

[vestal ibex]

"working"

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow

no contractors 😦

[wise swallow]

I see miss rolls

[magic pilot]

Nooo just gloves

Hsd/haz on the rest

[rich lotus]

It's finally over.

YMMV, but if anyone is wondering it took about 6000 SHD Levels (buying various mats with the watch) to get both unicorns

[onyx sage]

hax

give it here

[glossy scarab]

good lord

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah I got a question

i wish i could trade, i had so many usable HSD/Haz Pro/Armor Regen Headhunter chests i wish i could have gifted them to people

Is there any harm in collecting all the gear sets?

[onyx sage]

no, if you have space to do so

[rich lotus]

cus I tend to hoard in my games

[wise swallow]

foxes should have haz

so should pic

[rich lotus]

I mean the stash has enough space to store 50 gear sets

[onyx sage]

your weapons

[rich lotus]

Tho I already have named guns in there so it'd be more like 30

[onyx sage]

you underestimate how many weapons and exotics you'll store

[wise swallow]

49 aegis is objective a useless gearset cuz it doesnt work

[rich lotus]

I have a backpack as well :p

[wise swallow]

thatll save you 6 slots for other stuff

[wise swallow]

my stash is filled with "maybe one day" items

[onyx sage]

yeah same

[wise swallow]

maybe this god rolled ceska piece with protected reload will become good one day

[onyx sage]

lmfao

[wise swallow]

maybe chameleon will become good one day 💀

[rich lotus]

lol. 2.6% top end damage increase from Chainkiller/Airaldi to 2x HG, I knew I was doing this for shits and grins, but i didnt actually think it would be less than 5 percent 😛

[onyx sage]

4p hotshot?

[rich lotus]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

900 total storage if you create all 4 alts 😉

Can save space by not storing generic skill items like eclipse/hardwire/rigger

[rich lotus]

went from 34,147,428 -> 35,039,784 (level 25 model 700)

non crit

[onyx sage]

yeah would've been a larger gain without expertise

the 15% hsd from 1p habs is also a bit diminished by 4p hotshot 20%

[magic pilot]

Not going for hazpro

[rich lotus]

im still glad the journey is over and i still have SHD levels for other things. now i need to buy a new mic so i can do Iron Horse lol

side note, the HG backpack isnt a providence model but the actual brand tag on the model is providence.

thats kind of dumb

[versed summit]

Yeah they’ve been reusing models for a while now.

Lengmo backpack has a petrov logo. Not sure if I can think of any others that have the wrong logo

[rich lotus]

lazy 😦

[fossil trellis]

I have seen a youtube video, where the guy could give mask on aaron keener costume. Do you know how?

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow it hits so hard

[wise swallow]

What’s the idea

[magic pilot]

i killed a guy with EB through the buff

just hazpro as second attribute, still focusing hsd

absolutely nutty

[hexed steppe]

maybe inventory> mask> options> always on

different from apparel masks

[rich lotus]

I am making a hunters fury build, Should I get a lady death or dark winter?

[hazy steeple]

Get a good high-end SMG that's neither of those.

I assume a Youtuber gave this info out.

[rich lotus]

yup and the good doc with the build

[hexed steppe]

smg with strained or fast hands, and scorpio

[solar sable]

evernote?

[rich lotus]

nvm it was a youtuber

[hazy steeple]

I mean either way, they're not great choices if you want a bit of meta in your build.

[rich lotus]

the google doc has

[hazy steeple]

I like the Dark Winter, but it's not a good gun if you want "great" killing power.

[rich lotus]

the google doc has

[hazy steeple]

Okay which google doc are you talking about.

[solar sable]

As we always say, please refrain from consuming any Div content on yt, specially builds.

[rich lotus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1509999994

[hazy steeple]

yeah that's the good one.
For a HF build though, I'd recommend you focus more on what kind and that'll help you pick what kind of gun.

e.g. headshot vs crit.

the first 4 guns on that list are for crit, the next bunch are more headshot, chameleon is for a laugh I suppose, and I don't really know why Elmo is there.

[rich lotus]

Ouroboros seems like a pain to get

[hazy steeple]

It is or rather it can be, so the other options are 100% fine.

as localdeck said yeah, Strained or Fast Hands, 3rd attribute dtooc.

which SMG matters less than the stats being right on it tbh. You can use a vector if you want, use a thompson, heck even use a tommygun.

[rich lotus]

does the HF debuff count as a status effect? If so would the grudge make a good weapon?

[onyx sage]

tommy gun and m1928 unironically slap

no

but the disorient does

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr you want your gun to kill without having to set something up, so that's why Strained is almost always the best choice, followed closely by Fast Hands.

you'll always be within the 15m range (an icon appears over enemies heads when you are) so SMG's do great.

[rich lotus]

Thank you 🙂

What should the minor attribute for a scorpio be?

[magic pilot]

Dtooc on everything

Lmgs chc unless you are running nego then you want DTA

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[hazy steeple]

LMG's also do well with fire-rate.

[serene grotto]

What's a good pvp build for AR or smg

[atomic nest]

Unbreakable talent
3/3 providence
The gift backpack
1 Grupo
Fenris chest

It's a dps build, so no armor

[serene grotto]

So the talents don't matter?

[atomic nest]

I was told the only important ones are unbreakable and to leave the BP one. Buy talents matter a lot, depends on playstyle

[rich lotus]

i personally prefer dark winter and scorpio for hunters fury you basically have 100% uptime on killer for trash and if you cant kill a heroic named enemy in 1 mag from the vector without killer and then switching to scorpio and not even using all 8 rounds something else might be wrong with your build

but then again im the guy who fudged up the shooting range dps of ouroboros vs dark winter so theres that

[atomic nest]

I use lady death with hunters, hits hard

[rich lotus]

lady death is cool too

[serene grotto]

I have neither

[rich lotus]

oh. myb then

[magic pilot]

No lol

[atomic nest]

Can st elmo go with it instead

Also what pieces are those?

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Hold up let me go to my pc I have a st Elmo one

[atomic nest]

Bet I need a better one than mine

[magic pilot]

What do you have now?

[atomic nest]

I'll send it

[crisp sky]

Back after several years and wondering if duplicate skill mods worth anything/keeping, or should I just be deconstructing them?

[magic pilot]

If they are for the same slot no, no reason to keep them

@wise swallow i did some dps tests on the headshot build i sent earlier

[wise swallow]

and

[magic pilot]

headshot

this is the optimal setup

[wise swallow]

"optimal"

[magic pilot]

highest dps

[wise swallow]

might aswell use crit

[magic pilot]

why

[wise swallow]

higher DPS doesnt require headshot

lol

[magic pilot]

headshot is more dps still

and more enjoyable lol

im trying to run DH tn

[wise swallow]

i am on lemme know if you need one

[wise swallow]

by how much

[magic pilot]

depends on headshot rate but i can get numbers later

[wise swallow]

cuz full crit + big horn would probably either the same or better

and body shots can exist

[wise swallow]

hm

ive used similar before

but had 50% CHC

just dropped hasburg (prov in my case) for ceska

and rolled CHC

[magic pilot]

crit bighorn

[wise swallow]

160~ 105

• whatever coyote gives

so somewhere around 170-185

[boreal epoch]

is there any good builds for incursions? im hating the strikers build alot im looking for a mixture of survivability and dps

[magic pilot]

Sounds like you need a better healer

[wise swallow]

add a few blues to the striker byeah you should be perfectly fine with 6 red

[magic pilot]

I'm doing no watch for conflict @wise swallow

Incase you didn't notice

[wise swallow]

i did not

[magic pilot]

Ok lol

[wise swallow]

crit is pointless then

way too hard to get 50+ with BH

[boreal epoch]

thank you 🙂

[magic pilot]

Ended at 52/136/85

[wise swallow]

yea shit

full headshot better

[magic pilot]

Headshot was 190% pre bighorn

[wise swallow]

yea headshot will be way better

still cant shoot body but the DPS hit to use crit doesnt make up for it

for DZ it will but conflict nah

[magic pilot]

Dz crit is definitely stronger

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow

[wise swallow]

looks good

fully rolled?

[magic pilot]

Yep

i pulled the gloves and mask in one countdown

[wise swallow]

nice

what you doing rn

[magic pilot]

conflict

wait have i had demo on this whole time

lmao i see it

[magic pilot]

i saw lmaooo

[wise swallow]

oh ik

[magic pilot]

im saving this game either way it goes

[wise swallow]

I wasnt expecting to have a fully lock in for this but

[magic pilot]

man that was a rough game for me

[wise swallow]

happens

your tm8 switching to fire after almost getting mercy ruled is funny

how am i on bottom

I literally doubled the dmg of top guy

[magic pilot]

join up

[wise swallow]

i got auto thrown in

1 sec

[wise swallow]

why are you using vigi

I just realized that

[magic pilot]

all i have

[wise swallow]

fair enough

[magic pilot]

trying to get concussion

[steep flint]

i know this is the wrong area but i CANNOT get a group of people for the incursion. how do i get a group that can stay alive?

[hazy steeple]

#lfg-td2incursion-pc, maybe on the community server, and make sure your own build is up to snuff.

[steep flint]

whats the community server?

[steep flint]

and i know im part of the problem but EVERYONE is running striker and theres never a healer

[shy willow]

Up until wright you don't really need one

Seeing as this is build advice what are you running

[serene grotto]

Any named or specific talents needs

[shy willow]

Chest is unbreakable, the backpack is named matador

[steep flint]

ive tried matchmaking and lfg every day for almost the past few weeks and im always the only one left alive right from the first encounter. i dont want to blame people but its just really upsetting i cant find a group thats able to do it. but im running striker of course. ive been putting off building a healer because i figured id be able to find people to get it done and i could just do that later but man

[shy willow]

Get in touch with @vestal ibex he might be able to help you out sometime

[shy willow]

Which pieces though, whole build matters

[steep flint]

okay thank you. sorry for the rant its just getting really frustrating at this point

[shy willow]

The matchmaking experience is rough I get you

Countless foundry bulwarks and hunters fury

[steep flint]

And this is the build besides I would be using firewall for the incursion

[wise swallow]

best PVP build

[steep flint]

how in the heck does that work lol

[versed summit]

They uh, reload faster

[versed summit]

Basically. Striker chest works better for Wright & lovebirds though

[steep flint]

ill keep that in mind if i ever get there lol

[versed summit]

Lol

[rich lotus]

Oxidizer enjoyers: I was using an In-Sync Shotgun, is this a relic from before you could reroll third attribute on exotics? I don't remember

[shy willow]

I run chatterbox and glory daze on mine

[rich lotus]

forgot about incessant chatter effecting chem launcher! good tip

[short nexus]

does my long gun actually matter for an explosives based build, or should i just use whatever gun i find interesting

i know lefty is probably a prime choice

[shy willow]

You'll want a shotgun with in sync or the capacitor

[short nexus]

why specifically a shotgun

[shy willow]

The damage to armour attribute

It affects explosion damage

Same with the capacitor

[short nexus]

oh that i didnt know

what armor set would be good, rigger for permenant uptime on the mortar turret?

[rich lotus]

My .02 Artillery Turret all day err day. 3 express (glass cannon chest) Strategic Alignment backpack, 2 pieces grupo, every single piece rolled Skill Damage AND Status Effect

[short nexus]

that is incomprehensible to me

[rich lotus]

Turret go Boom

[short nexus]

yeah but what is strategic alignment

is that an exotic?

[inland plinth]

named BP

[rich lotus]

its the named China Lite backpack

[short nexus]

if i dont care about minmaxing this, would a sniper do, to help keep distance?

[shy willow]

Your guns are useless on a skill build unless capacitor

You use them for the talents and potentially attributes

[versed summit]

Or Scorpio

[short nexus]

yeah but it would help me target stuff

[shy willow]

You can set your colour blind settings to tritanopia to make highlights more visible

[short nexus]

so i have a new idea, a very stupid one

skill sniper, i use achille's pulse and decoys with glass cannon to deal massive damage

[onyx sage]

it's not very good yeah

[short nexus]

yeah but do you think i could make it work?

[onyx sage]

not really, why glass cannon when headhunter exists

[short nexus]

oh good idea

do you think the general idea of skills+sniper could work?

[onyx sage]

well it's nothing new, decoy is one of the best skills

[short nexus]

right now im running mantis, but maybe nemi would be better?

[onyx sage]

nemi is only used to get first HH stack

you use faster mmrs after that

[short nexus]

do you think using the hot shot gear set instead of headhunter could work?

or hot shot with headhunter?

[onyx sage]

hotshot and headhunter is the meta sniper set

you run both

go to the spreadsheet pinned on this channel, find the "Sniper Setups" guide

you're basically finding the best setup

[short nexus]

oh ok

[solar sable]

Sniper Setups

There you go.

[short nexus]

while im here, do you know if its possible to bypass the nemesis quest by having one dropped for you, i do understand it has to be newly acquired while im in session, but i really think it'd be faster than the quest

[short nexus]

yep, i looked at that and i got a good idea

[serene grotto]

Are these 3 that I'm missing for gear in the gen loot pool

And are they any good?

[solar sable]

iirc Dodge City is at DZ. The other two holsters, yes, they're at the gen loot pool.

And then you have Tardigrade Chest, also at the gen pool. The last chest is by collecting all the pieces at the Summit, i don't remember the exact name but it's something with Pride.

[serene grotto]

I'm taking about the ones I'm missing not what I have

[solar sable]

Tardigrade and -- Pride chest

idk the fourth holster

[serene grotto]

Ok

[shy willow]

Waveform

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=drivesdk

You can check your gear against this sheet

[onyx sage]

nah dodge city is project

[solar sable]

not even close...

[shy willow]

It's the high noon one no?

[solar sable]

And I just got Waveform but this is painful to look at.

Same happened with Shocker Punch but idc about that one, 9.9% hazpro and explosive res is maxed out

[short nexus]

hey, guy who has and loves the DCG, it comes from the High Noon project, where you have to raid high level control points

you need the oiled spurs, and all that good shit

[pastel shard]

U only need to raid 4 control points iirc

The riverside gas one to begin with then, 1 outcast, hyena and true sons capture point

Then go do the showdown

[short nexus]

hey does that build guide have a dcg regulus suggestion

[pastel shard]

Suggestion?

[short nexus]

like stuff you should use if you want regulus to be your thing

like the sniper guide you showed me

[pastel shard]

Uhh there should be a sheet somewhere lemme find it

Cause it does include a regulus one iirc

[short nexus]

mainly i need ab ackpack perk

i have fox's prayer, DCG, contractors gloves, chainkiller, punch drunk, all that

i just need a better backpack, is there one with perfet vigilant or something?

[pastel shard]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit

There is perfect vigilance version called the gift from dz/descent

[short nexus]

so its called the gift, what brand is it?

[pastel shard]

Providence

[short nexus]

oh its from descent, dont like that

[pastel shard]

Or dz

[short nexus]

can i get it in summit/countdown or is it only descent

[pastel shard]

Descent or DZ only

Technically legacy caches aswell I think idk

[solar sable]

Named Caches help.

[short nexus]

cringe, is it one of the things you buy with the monopoly moneys you get from it

[pastel shard]

U can’t get it in normal named caches can u?

[pastel shard]

From simulation caches

[magic pilot]

No

[pastel shard]

No?

No to which thing lmao

[magic pilot]

Doesn't come in simulation

[short nexus]

so then where do i get the gift

[pastel shard]

it does

It’s how I have the BP

You could also swap the backpack for the courier n foam enemies first before u take ur shot jus becareful if u have HH stacks as if u hit the enemy with ur foam it can consumer the stacks which is funny but also kinda sucks

[pastel shard]

RECONSTRUCTED caches, dz is the only place to my knowledge

I 100% know u can get them from reconstructed caches as that’s how I got mine

[short nexus]

whats that one backpack skill that gives you free grenades

i love spamming flashes so that could be fun

[pastel shard]

Called them the wrong thing 🤦‍♂️

I meant reconstructed not simulation lmao

[short nexus]

hayz, whats that one backpack perk that gives you a free grenade on occasion

[magic pilot]

It does come in those lol

[short nexus]

spamming flashes is fun

[pastel shard]

I can’t remember

Maybe mad bomber?

[short nexus]

no thats a chestplate thing isnt it?

[magic pilot]

Acosta

[short nexus]

no i dont think its that

[pastel shard]

Collector does

The exotic chest

[short nexus]

acosta just lets you keep additional grenades, doesnt give you free ones

[magic pilot]

Collector

[short nexus]

yeah but i use DCG, my exotic is important

i remember a backpack that gave you a flash back every 60 seconds

[magic pilot]

That's not a bp talent

[short nexus]

oh it is acosta

its the one in hand perk

[pastel shard]

That refunds it n gives 1 skill tier

So if it’s on cool-down u lose ur Andes

And is also an exotic

[short nexus]

welp, now i need to find someone that has the nemesis and a bunch of free time to grind a new one to give to me

cause i really want a nemesis for a different build but the quest takes ages

[pastel shard]

If u get the BP I think u can get it from targeted loot

[short nexus]

no i havent done the quest yet, i just have the tally

[magic pilot]

I'm willing to help farm for it

[short nexus]

oh shit, thank you man

[magic pilot]

Someone gave me the one I have so, least I can do is help

[short nexus]

i appreciate that

you down to farm now or in the morning

[magic pilot]

I have work most of tomorrow, what's your time zone?

[short nexus]

EST, its 4 am but i just finished fiansl so im up all night

[magic pilot]

I gotcha

I'm cst. I work most of the weekend but I'll probably be on after work around 11 your time

[short nexus]

alright

are you busy atm or have you got to go

[magic pilot]

I've been off the game for awhile I just keep active on here lol

[devout iris]

Who has a good smg build here for pve?

[versed summit]

Hunter's Fury is typically best for PvE SMGs. I'd recommend checking out the pinned spreadsheet for the Hunter's Fury guide.

[devout iris]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

All dz named items are in the named item cache loot pool, so yes, gift can drop from those regardless of source

[grim plank]

what is the perfect umbra pvp build?

[real blade]

Guys, quick question. Is ekims sniper with determined good?

[onyx sage]

ekim's long stick has perfect ranger already

[rich lotus]

Can anyone suggest build for open world hunter mask gathering? I am stuck at the four hunters spawning at the tree.

[shy willow]

Use a Scorpio and place shock traps where they spawn

[flint wave]

spot the difference(impossible)

[bronze hound]

?

[hexed steppe]

Kinda looks like nope

[bronze hound]

wdym

[flint wave]

[bronze hound]

im so confused

[wise swallow]

You misspelled dope

[shy willow]

what in hellfire

[bronze hound]

i just came back from months of not playing and i had this saved under "oxi"

[shy willow]

empress GC chest and Acosta bag maybe

[flint wave]

u dropped ur chestplate

[hexed steppe]

You're missing sacrifice. I'm guessing its oxi

[bronze hound]

okay that makes sense

also does skill duration impact the uh

the oxi duration

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

ok ill use those mods then

[shy willow]

cuz I use Acosta and sacrifice 2 piece empress is a waste so what if 1 wyvern and 1 murakami

[bronze hound]

??????

[hexed steppe]

The bag is empress

3pc

[shy willow]

is for incursion

OC is very nice

[hexed steppe]

How often?

[shy willow]

huh

for turrets innit

[bronze hound]

huh?

is anyone else having a stroke or just me

[hexed steppe]

Just you

[shy willow]

😭

[hexed steppe]

And naval apparently

[shy willow]

huhh

[bronze hound]

ok i think im just missing the chest piece now?

[hexed steppe]

Actually acosta's could be pretty good. 60second cooldown for oc

[shy willow]

on the incursion you gotta get the turrets fast so Acosta for oc

[bronze hound]

is this game dead now or is it just me

[shy willow]

wh-

[vestal ibex]

Btsu baby. Have someone run a scanner pulse boom 15% mo damage.

[shy willow]

too much co ordination for pugs😔

[bronze hound]

mate idk im tired and i really dont wanna farm cd solo lol

[shy willow]

ideally you'd have another oxi then you'd both get it done with of but oh well is lfg

[shy willow]

I think you ought to sleep man😭

[bronze hound]

i slept for 8 hours

[shy willow]

maybe get some caffeine in you then

or breakfast

[onyx sage]

stroker's battlegear

[bronze hound]

caffeine doesnt work on me and its 1pm lol

[hexed steppe]

Just need something stronger then

[bronze hound]

no i meant adverse effects :p

[shy willow]

uhh power nap or something

[vestal ibex]

Go for a jog.

[hexed steppe]

Some good cardio

[bronze hound]

i have rice krispie treat

i no longer have rice krispie treat

wait

i have the sacrifice blueprint idfk when i got that

[hexed steppe]

nice

[vestal ibex]

Descent yo.

[bronze hound]

FU KING FINALLY

took me like 200 goddamn rolls

🙏

ive been crafting for 20 minutes straight

[tulip charm]

imagine not dropping one

but gz

[bronze hound]

done

[tulip charm]

wait oxi runs sac?

oh never

[bronze hound]

why wouldnt it

[tulip charm]

I run a wyvern backpack

[bronze hound]

no 3 piece?

[tulip charm]

since I dont have empress pack

[bronze hound]

im so glad im done 🙏

[tulip charm]

xd

[bronze hound]

because i was farming for hours and hours months ago for this

[tulip charm]

Personally I dont like farming for specific pieces since I always drop it when Im not looking for it and never drops when I actively looking for one.

[bronze hound]

this and my sniper build were the worst

387k per tick hellk yeah

[tulip charm]

yeah oxi is fun when you can do good damage with it

[hexed steppe]

is that with cap stacked

[tulip charm]

I hope not

[bronze hound]

Yes

[tulip charm]

wait it is?

[bronze hound]

No expertise

[magic pilot]

I run Wyvern bp so I can swap to Acosta

No sacrifice

[bronze hound]

Wyvern chest you mean

[tulip charm]

Its weird you're hitting that low

[magic pilot]

No Wyvern bp and empress chest

I wanna keep 3 empress always

Doesn't Wyvern Gc do more dmg than pgc?

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[tulip charm]

im hitting 400k armor and 336 without cap stacks

[bronze hound]

Send pic

[magic pilot]

@tulip charm No artificer active

[tulip charm]

no arti is like 226

[bronze hound]

I'm not using Arti

[magic pilot]

That's what i meant^

[bronze hound]

I'll test again with Arti once I finish eating

[vestal ibex]

On oc solo

[bronze hound]

Again i didn't have arti

[vestal ibex]

Armor and health.

[tulip charm]

236 is without arti

[bronze hound]

And you have overcharge

[magic pilot]

Doesn't he have expertise?

[bronze hound]

That too

[hexed steppe]

are you keeping combines arms procced? while testing

[bronze hound]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Only 20....

[tulip charm]

whale

[bronze hound]

I have 0

[hexed steppe]

level 25 revive tho

[vestal ibex]

Dat reviver hive doe.

[bronze hound]

23 still

[tulip charm]

oxy expertise is damage right?

[vestal ibex]

yus

[tulip charm]

o

[bronze hound]

Was never able to get to level 25

Cuz school was just hell lol

[magic pilot]

I was gonna say you have 20+ reviver hive and lvl 0 capacitor

[bronze hound]

i dont run skill builds usually

[tulip charm]

20+ reviver is a flex ngl

[magic pilot]

Not when capacitor is 0 lol

[bronze hound]

557k with arti

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ok thats good

[hexed steppe]

geting this on my turret build. no dttooc, only cap dta. ex 15 oxi, cap stacked and tech support procced

[bronze hound]

whats that in the kneepads slot

what bsb is that

[tulip charm]

wait

[hexed steppe]

armor on kill, pallisades

[bronze hound]

Ah okay

[tulip charm]

cap has dta?

[hexed steppe]

yeah 12%

[tulip charm]

second attribute

[bronze hound]

Yes dta

[tulip charm]

WTF I just noticed that

[hexed steppe]

make sure to roll dttooc as well.

[tulip charm]

Im missing dttoc on it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

not a huge deal if not oxi tho, other skills wont benefit

[vestal ibex]

Not sure why you are picking up an oxy build right now but on out of spawn kills you typically can't shoot anything so cap stacks don't matter nor combined arms.

Gerneral use oxy is doo doo tho.

[onyx sage]

^^^^

just use shotgun with in sync

[vestal ibex]

Really how you use the oxy build determines the best skills/guns anyway.

[tulip charm]

tbh I just like oxying all over the place

and sometimes getting killed by it

[spiral flicker]

Fun little build I've been experimenting with - Deathgrips and Picaros named, crit chance/dmg on everything, debating swapping Deathgrips for UG gloves bc incoming repairs with 5.11 kinda useless unless with group, and maybe another red core

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe is that your skill build?

[errant wadi]

is there a general consensus about whats more important: Stability or precision?

[bronze hound]

wdym

whats the context

[errant wadi]

thinking about what to put on my weapons..

[bronze hound]

like for mods or

[errant wadi]

yes

weapon mods for example

[bronze hound]

depends on the weapon imo

or how good you are

[errant wadi]

okay, so there is no general rule/advice

[bronze hound]

no

[errant wadi]

got it

[vestal ibex]

CHC mods

That's for crit build. Skill builds don't matter so much, HSD/MMR use stability imo.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, my turret/drone build. its the closest i had to an oxi build to just test something. 20%-30% aok 😎 . basically for being real lazy farming elite kills at cp

also have one thats a skill crit hybrid 😆

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe all good, I was gone copy it, I think I only need that ps, and the pfe, but I've heard about that Oxi build supposed to be really good

I would still keep my haste and skill dmg

[hexed steppe]

for oxi you would want to probably have fox's and contractors with skill damage, the one i posted wouldnt generate the best oxi ticks. duration goes a long way for oxi as well

my posted config is great for turret drone tho since those skills cant take advantage on dta or dttooc

[fierce garnet]

^yes

[covert meadow]

Ok well I would want to run one probably drone over turret, fox pads and contractors gloves, then wyvern chest, with tech, and the one Empress glove, rolled skill dmg and duration on everything?

[fierce garnet]

Drone and oxi build are different. Gotta have two separate or hotswap depending on one you using

One skill will suffer if you go drone oxi together

[covert meadow]

I really like riding the chemical, I have a fire build, is there a picture on sheets that I can see visibly to go off of? Then once I build it, I can come and show you guys

I have the contractor and fox knees, along with empress

I need the bp though

[pastel shard]

nice oxy build

[covert meadow]

Ok and I could use my Capitol and mop in its place, and I'd roll skill dmg and duration instead of haste?

Capacitor*

I have the Acosta actually

[pastel shard]

u can use what guns u want I jus use those cause I use it for iron horse

[vestal ibex]

There are tons of ways to build oxy tho. It's a mix of these things, Yellow sacrifice or glass cannon, 3 pc empress, wyvern, contractors, foxes, acosta go, BTSU, backpack talents are tech support or combined arms. Weapons can tons of things, glory daze, chatter box,cap, insync shotgun, or other utility things.

Just know if you take the time to build this it's gonna be ass for general use. Unless you can stack oxy on a spawn or immobile enemies they are just gonna roll out of it and the cooldown isn't that great.

Other things to note that OXY IS NOT A STATUS EFFECT.

[pastel shard]

ye u gotta know the ad spawns for the stuff u plan on using it for

otherwise ur gonna be shooting ads that jus run around 🤣

[covert meadow]

Yeah see I was wanting to use it for open world and missions, I like wondering around collecting resources and if I happen to run across, ctrl points, hostages, etc I can take them on

Oh wow ok then I better off just keeping fire build then

[vestal ibex]

Yeah fire EP is WORLDS better for that.

[covert meadow]

Ok well I appreciate the help and you all letting me know, saved a ton a resources, as I have found out to be pretty expensive 😅

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VU8iOMNgy4

One way to use oxy...

[fierce garnet]

Rip floor 100 cheese

[vestal ibex]

You can still do that.

Maybe just not hiding in there.

[fierce garnet]

Ik

Just ain't the same lol

[covert meadow]

Lol see that's what I like to do with my fire but it doesn't melt like that, that is beastly

[onyx sage]

cooking up something new

[urban latch]

Oxy strat hasn't changed at all for F100, you always needed to leave the room anyways

[vestal ibex]

Oxy can stack on it self so you can end up with TONS of them in the same spot and so insane amounts of damage to one area.

[covert meadow]

Wow ima build it, cause of the fun, that video makes it look really fun

I'll post what I havrin a sec, think I have most pieces

[vestal ibex]

Don't get me wrong I recommend people make it but just know what you're getting into with it and how to best utilize it.

[covert meadow]

Yeah I highly appreciate you letting me know, it definitely looks fun, and will help me learn spawns to. I kinda know a couple but need to learn way more @vestal ibex

[hexed steppe]

I miss chatterbox oxi spam on f10

[covert meadow]

What stats would yall need to see?

For the chest I do have a 3rd Empress where I can change to glass if need be?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah empress glass chest.

[covert meadow]

It's only registering 5 but tier I thought tech gave you one for 6

[hexed steppe]

Do you have it unlocked

[vestal ibex]

Yeah gotta have it unlocked in the spec tree.

[hexed steppe]

Shows skilltier 6 on ss

[vestal ibex]

Now go to the shooting range with a chatter box on and reload near the group and see how fast you can shoot oxy.

[covert meadow]

Yeah it's full unlocked but In stats on the skills it's shows 5

Ok

[covert meadow]

Damn!

It shredded elite

Seeing 269 pop on the sides ticking

269,895

[hexed steppe]

Now that chatterbox can have dttooc makes chatter spamming even better.

Chatterbox proc transfers to oxi btw. Let's you shoot them faster than the chem reload animation 😎

[covert meadow]

My chatter has chd and chance I need to have dta and dttooc on there instead?

It's full rolled to

[hexed steppe]

Can only change 3rd stat. It's not a huge deal. Mop/cap are better damage. Chatter just shoots them out stupid fast

[covert meadow]

Yeah that thing was definitely shredding

I used it for my hf build

But if yall think I'm better with that over cap and mop then I'll do it

I currently have what you said for chest, chatter and acs 12 with fast hands talent

[hexed steppe]

Cap/mop better for regular use.

[covert meadow]

Yeah I see what you mean, that cap is at 95 dmg

[hexed steppe]

Or chatter /mop and main the mop unless you have a spam opportunity

[covert meadow]

But only 700 rpm

And you definitely want pummel over fast hands

[vestal ibex]

If you do the reload on your chatter that'll allow you to shoot your oxy supper fast then you'd swap to a shotgun/cap/weapon with DTA and DTTOOC and watch it melt.

Skills inherit certain talents/attributes while you hold a weapon and that includes swapping around to get certain benefits.

[covert meadow]

Wow so I'm looking for weap dmg, reload, and dta on chatter then on mop all 3 weapons dmg, dta, and dttooc?

Yeah I like that sound of that 👍

[vestal ibex]

Like mentioned before it's what you need for the situation, so what ever you need or want to do the job.

[covert meadow]

Ok cool thanks guys

Reload and swap speed nor the same thing is it?

Reload time it's saying 1.4 foe chatter

[vestal ibex]

Chatter is a fun thing if you can proc it's talent cause it allows you to shoot oxy insanly fast.

Third attribute would be DTTOOC.

[covert meadow]

Yeah my first rolled gave me a dttooc but no reload so I redid it and now it gave me swap speed

[vestal ibex]

RIP

When you ~~re roll ~~ reconfigure exotics only the third attribute will be random.

[covert meadow]

Ah ok so I'm am looking for a dttooc for the chatter, then just switching to the shotty that has the dta and dttooc lol

[gusty ravine]

Anyone got any decent builds for countdown

Or dark zone

[short nexus]

i mean, any red build should work, ive been stomping countdown with a basic headshots build

just use fox's prayer, contractor, punch drunk/coyote's, chainkiller, all that good shit

get you an MMR, rifle, or regulus with the DCG and you're set

i would personally suggest a less precise weapon as a fallback, my personal choice is a negev or a tommy, but thats not optimal and thats more of a preference thing

[atomic nest]

Anyone got a decent dps AR build for raids and legendary missions?

[short nexus]

it depends on what AR you use, but a basic strikers+crits kit should suit you fine in my experience

if you insist on an AR, st elmo's engine is one i can vouch for, pinpoint accuracy with a high mag cap and amazing damage, but Bullet King and Pestilence are incredibly fun and i would suggest at least trying them

[atomic nest]

I use st elmos so striker all red/crits?

[short nexus]

thats what i would say

i dont exactly recall what gearset gives AR damage, but there probably is one

petrov gives LMG damage if you intend to give bk or pest a shot tho

oh, and coyote's mask, dont forget coyote's mask

[wise swallow]

those are gonna be entirely diffrent builds

[gusty ravine]

Was for farming cause I'm bored with striker ATM lmao

[wise swallow]

for Countdown striker is probably the easiest to make and use

oh you want new stuff

Hunters fury is cool

use it with blood sucker

big AOK and intim proc

Use all blue with momento for DZ

I like HF alot for non raid/incursion

[dense seal]

What just happened here ? ? ?

[short nexus]

we gave some guy advice?

[dense seal]

That would only apply to Localdeck and Souless

[wise swallow]

?

[short nexus]

no? any person can use any equipment, souless and localdeck dont have a monopoly on strikers

[dense seal]

That is not even close to the point.
Local and Souless gave good advise, the rest is well . . . . . questionable.

[short nexus]

then make your point more clear

[onyx sage]

i'm reading

[short nexus]

i gave the best advice that i can, i know that my builds are a bit outdated but im still using them and doing decently enough

[dense seal]

Oh boy is ther a lot.

[wise swallow]

what is questionable about saying striker is easy to use for countdown

and HF is good

[short nexus]

nothing, its genuinely good advice that i got long ago

also, is the "grown great" a decent SMG?

[onyx sage]

no

[short nexus]

no? whats a better one with decently high mag cap

[onyx sage]

both bullet king and pestilence are fun, but for getting a new player up they are terrible

[versed summit]

Does Ouro count?

[onyx sage]

cmmg banshee

[short nexus]

nah, its for use with mantis/nemi

[short nexus]

correct, and i acknowledged that it wasnt optimal, i just said its fun and he should give it a shot sometimes

[onyx sage]

there are a few choices for a secondary in hh. you can do m870, a smg, or another mmr

[versed summit]

Unwavering on Banshee or Swap Chain might work for you

[short nexus]

ok, danke schon

oh well i have a swap chain, whats a good place to farm for a banshee, just countdown?

[wise swallow]

omg dod you dont need a whole ass legal document just say what you wanna say

[short nexus]

actuallu, i have a mk46 with strained, is that any decent? it has higher damage and mag cap with damage ooc

[wise swallow]

its usable while farming for other ARs

[dense seal]

OKay.

• You typically want DTTOOC on basically every weapon, regardless of maybe, minus a few notable exceptions and this mostly revolves around Status builds as they scale with DTA but do not scale with DTTOOC.
• Specific Weapon damage is dead, AR SMG, LMG, ect. Means nothing, they gave us Expertise. More Crit, Head shot and Multipliers is the way forward.
• Contractors and Fox's are not used for either the LMG or either Riflge Damage, but more for more DTA and more DTTOOC.
• The difference between PvP and PvE builds is not actually theat great. A Need = A build and the Build MEtric is the exact same, the only difference in the multiplies, which we have access to. So no, they are not entirely different builds.
• Hunter's Furry with Blue Cores is a waste of Hunter's Fury, and using it in PvP. Tisk Tisk.

[wise swallow]

Blue cores with HF is a waste of hunters fury

how do you even start to rationalize that one

[dense seal]

20% Armour on kill. ON KILL. You need to get the kill.
Which means maximum damage.
20% AOK is also equal to about 2.4 Blue Cores.
IN order to capitalise on AOK talents the best results are seen on max damage builds. Period. Especailly not we have Ourobors with also happens to be an SMG which pairs Beautifally with Hunter's Fury

[wise swallow]

"The difference between PvP and PvE builds is not actually theat great"

They very much are. PVP is using majority blue cores and PVE is the opposite. Countdown often uses striker with chest that is useless in PVP. PVP builds often favor things like hazpro and regen PVE builds often do not. Theres a massive difference between PVP and PVE, if you only look at brand sets then sure theres quite a bit of similarity but thats not how builds work. theres more then just brands, its entirely new rolls and requirements when farming

[wise swallow]

So you are just completely ignoring the other 95% of the talent and focusing only on the 3 pc bonus

ya know the 20% dmg amp

and the fact itll get stacked with PVE up to another 25%

so we just ignoring the 45% dmg amp

[dense seal]

This is your PvP difference. There purpse of the build may change, but this is not a difference exclusive to PvP. More the need of the build. These equations here are your entire difference. How any build performs under these circumstances is the exact same.

[wise swallow]

HF AOK isnt even the talent. its a 3pc bonus lol

[dense seal]

That is not how Hunters Fury works

[wise swallow]

what does multipliter have to do with having entirely different rolls. its a different farming process

6 red striker doesnt work in PVP

[dense seal]

No, but a 6 blue does.

[wise swallow]

so its a differnt rolled build

exactly what i said

[dense seal]

The function of the buidl is the same

[wise swallow]

who argued that

[dense seal]

Ergo, not a differant build

[wise swallow]

"PVP is using majority blue cores and PVE is the opposite. Countdown often uses striker with chest that is useless in PVP. PVP builds often favor things like hazpro and regen PVE builds often do not. Theres a massive difference between PVP and PVE, if you only look at brand sets then sure theres quite a bit of similarity but thats not how builds work. theres more then just brands, its entirely new rolls and requirements when farming"

are you being intentionally dense

cuz you just repeated my exact words as a rebuttle to what i said

[dense seal]

You: "those are gonna be entirely diffrent builds"

[hazy steeple]

We playing nice today?

[wise swallow]

ignoring all context

ignoring where i said different rolls make a differnet build

[dense seal]

I am trying to . . . .

Educate and all.

My methods are not always 100% though.

[wise swallow]

your methods involve talking out of your ass saying HF talent is based on AOK. which its not. Parroting what i say in a different way to create an arguement or gods know what reason. Also saying HF with blues isnt good for PVP farming which is also not true

[dense seal]

Rivens coming in your our hint to stop. . . . . .

[wise swallow]

Im being nice enough and yea im gonna argue your misleading misinformation

[hazy steeple]

I only like stepping in when it goes too far, and this is just regular for Odder.

you know how some monkeys say hi? It's the equivalent of that.

[wise swallow]

I forgot criticism is a 1 way street, back and forth could never happen

[hazy steeple]

There is a difference between back and forth and using firebrand phrases or words to get a reaction, even unintentionally.

Honestly both of you are getting kinda rowdy, but that is 100% fine and a good debate.

[glossy scarab]

yo the dod teasing a response and not posting is a brilliant tactic

[wise swallow]

impossible when being offended is easier then taking words as words

[hazy steeple]

See like that, that doesn't help.

[wise swallow]

idk what bro is gonna cook up but with how long its taking it should be interesting

[hazy steeple]

"allworkandnoplaymakesdodabullboy"

no one?

heathens.

[wise swallow]

i dont get it

[dense seal]

Okay.
Them Magic Words.
Hunter's Fury 2 Piece: 15% SMG and 15% Shotgun Damage. - Although nice it can be easily mitigated with Epertise.
Hunter's Fury 3 Piece: 20% Armour On Kill and 50% Health On Kills. This is equal to a total of 67.4% EHP heal, per kill. Upping your armour or heal does not increase this, just diminishes the performance or rate of which it can be performed.
Hunter's Fury 4 Piece: Enemies within 15m receive a debuff, amplifying your weapon damage against them by +20%. Killing a debuffed enemy with your weapon disorients other enemies within 5m, and amplifies weapon damage by 5% for 10s, stacking up to 5 times.
This last part is one of the few "True Amps" In the game, this goes not give a 45% amp, in fact the end result is 53.15%. This means that the buff applied by Hunter's Fury is much for valuable than you are suggesting and is indeed reliant on that "on kill bonus"

Now, assuming you can think about this few a few second and not get angry, you will realise, the only here spouting misinformation is you.
And when you realise that on kill bonuses require a kill means it is potentially not he best thing to use in PvP means that now you are not only misinforming but also wrong . . . .Well.

Now, considering i am not allowerd to post links here, I invite you to just type Dod Regnbue into youtube.
Not only can I show you are wrong, but I can prove it with numbers as simple as 1+1+2.

P.S. allworkandnoplaymakesdodabullboy Is a Shining refernce . . . . .

[hazy steeple]

its actually 15 and 15 for 2pc,

[dense seal]

Thank you

[hazy steeple]

.

[wise swallow]

You do realize he would use HF for farming in the DZ right? where he'd stack it off NPC's not players. It would be stacked BEFORE players come. in the odd case he cant get 5 kills before that yea you losing a little big deal. Its purpose isnt PVP its DZ farming

[echo current]

Hey i know maybe a stupid questin. But what is the best striker build for legendary (solo/coop with other striker friend)

[wise swallow]

its also why i suggested momento since that also gets stacked on NPC's and has big advantages after stacked. which he would do farming....

[dense seal]

Or you could run a normal 3 Prov and 3 Electric contractors, Fox' and get the same.

[hexed steppe]

So if swd is mitigated by expertise, couldn't you say the same for a specific red core...

[dense seal]

Momento Stacking in DZ is generally frowned on as if you get farmed, which is likly with your stance, you have nothing.

[hexed steppe]

Kinda gives an option to add armor core without really losing anything

[dense seal]

Red core is AWD.

[hexed steppe]

If using an smg on hf makes no difference

15 is 15

[dense seal]

Build for more Crit/HSd

[wise swallow]

1. not as easy to get
2. disorienting NPCs when fighting random spawns is usefull
3. AOK on NPC's helps get armour back without using a kit if you get jumped. saves more for fighting players

and 3 prov on an SMG?

[dense seal]

Way out of the Meta loop I see.

[wise swallow]

meta? 3 prov being meta for an SMG?

[dense seal]

You don't go for hea shots in PvP now?

[opal glade]

hm something i have thought about lately
a mechanic ive seen used in the past but very rarely
but also very recently in HellDiver for example

Server wide community progression.

Wouldnt this be something very cool to have for a division game?
Like for example - we have our Seasons with story bits and what if we also had big common goals the community had to work for to unlock more story or other stuff
Rebuilding the castle could have been something which would have made perfect sense for such a mechanic

[wise swallow]

your taking 15% HSD over 25% crit (coyote) or 10% SMG dmg

something tells me what trade off isnt worth it especially when you have 4+ blues

[opal glade]

Maybe even have outcomes based upon how the community acted upon a decision

[hazy steeple]

mechanics from hell divers: 3rd party account requirements.

[opal glade]

you partypooper D:

[dense seal]

Coyotes, no . . . . . 10% SMG. ABSOLUTELY

[versed summit]

Hey Dod while you’re here, you said GR9 is worse than BK now. Is that accounting for the extra 10% ROF from the mag and 3rd attribute?

[wise swallow]

so 3 prov not worth it.

So your better then HF build would be Coyotes, ceska, groupo and contractors and foxes? the most traditional meta ever

the meta i used 2 and a half years ago

the meta HF was also apart of

HF isnt bad if your farming. it brings useful utility for farming while still being pretty good PVP dmg wise

[dense seal]

HF has been meta in PvP.

[wise swallow]

why are you still going in this circle. do you agree HF is pretty decent for farming in the DZ or not