td2-build-advice

[dull ermine]

The belstone pieces I have as full red if there’s too much armor

Golan gloves as well

[magic pilot]

No

[dull ermine]

Kinda wanna go for a facetank build… I like hf but don’t wanna dedicate space to 3 hf builds

[magic pilot]

Why run red cores and armor regen lol

Just make a tech tank

[dull ermine]

Idk lol no one gave a reason why it sucks

[magic pilot]

Pve is just kill as fast as you can

[shy willow]

HB is good for this sort of thing

[dull ermine]

I tried using it but the one thing I’d find for solo, you lose stacks quickly, faster than strikers anyways

I also run umbra … sometimes I just want to run and gun which is why I’m looking at armor regen…

[shy willow]

If you're tryna facetank but also do damage hunters fury and heartbreaker along with the usual blue striker work

[dull ermine]

And when I say stacks … I’m referring to both bonus armor and damage

Unless I’m constantly using ACS bonus armor is history lol

[shy willow]

That's why you run HB with some blues

Moar bonus armour

[dull ermine]

I run it with 3-4

In the case of survivability I just run umbra crit with umbra backpack

Does what I need it to but fragile armor messes with it

[magic pilot]

@wise swallow thoughts on hollowman, fox, picaros, contracors, everyday carry and a fenris or providence piece?

basically could hollowman be good on hsd build

Probably not

[shy willow]

I hear pve wise you can use it to break plates

[magic pilot]

thats about it lol

[onyx sage]

dth also only applies if the shot deals damage only to health, so if the enemy has 1 armor left and you know the shot will cross over to health, dth doesn't apply

[solar sable]

@magic pilot Hey man, what atts (and which ones for the build in general) does Picaro's have?

[magic pilot]

Chd on everything

[solar sable]

thx

[magic pilot]

Use f2k if you have it

Pic is a little old

[restive python]

Which gun is more suitable for a fudd build(no automatic and/or modern guns)? White Death with Determined or Model 700 with Determined?

[hearty forge]

Any thoughts on an yellow build that uses the ninjabag?

[shy willow]

Any build using ninja is bad

[hearty forge]

Thought so but was kind of hoping there's something you could do with it

Maybe I just haven't found one yet but besides btsu gloves and the go bag is there any good tech exotics?

[patent elm]

Waveform is serviceable but not that amazing

Capacitor is a good weapon for yellow builds

[split lagoon]

Are Foundry Bulwark and Heartbreaker the best gear sets for tank builds?

I'm trashing True Patriot and Cavalier.

[shy willow]

Tanks are just trash in general

[split lagoon]

Of course I find it hard to make a good tank build so I focus on being healer, sniper, and dps.

[west quiver]

I did this a long time ago; if you want to try a tank-ish build: 4 x Foundry, Pointman, Badger Tuff/Lengmo (Galvanize) or Lavoisier, all rolled with armor core, armor regen/hazard protection and explosive resistance, PfE mods, Scorpio, shield, Demolitionist/Survivalist spec, main goal is to provide bonus armor for the team alternating Vanguard with Galvanize, you don't necessarily need to deal damage, you just need to apply status effect or deploy shield in order to activate bonus armor

Lengmo will give you extra explosive resistance, which come in handy on a tank

[pastel shard]

dont use a yellow ninja build unless ur doing some weird Yter hybrid

[pastel shard]

i only see cavalier get used for IH raids 🤣

it jus depends tho on what ur goal is when ur tanking

cause TP can be decent it jus depends on what ur doing

[shy willow]

The good ending tank build is 4pcs OD with Lavoisier and pointman

Love it in countdown

[west quiver]

OD with status effect or crits?

[glossy scarab]

crits fits my dps playstyle. status for bleed is oretty weak

even with vile

[west quiver]

I know, that's why I asked

[glossy scarab]

sorry i just catch sht from obsessives in here if i dont mention every single niche possiblility where status would be a better choice

i would go with crit. i wont tell you what to do because i wont write an entire research essay about your question to cover all my bases so someone that cares wayyyy too much comes and tells me im all wrong just because i didnt include every possible situation in my answer. its a simple question but apparently giving simple answers makes ppl upset

[west quiver]

I asked Naval what he used on his variant of build, status or crits; I did my own OD build with status effect and Vile and wasn't a thing, good and fun for use up to Challenging, on Heroic is on the edge and on Legendary completely useless, I only keep it on one character for GE

[glossy scarab]

i use coyotes mask and a ceska vigi or unstoppable force backpack

with crit no status

much faster way of clearing content

[west quiver]

you have an DPS oriented build, his is tank oriented, I think that specific build would work with both attributes

[glossy scarab]

but if youre in a group and your goal is to slow down and kinda CC groups of enemies, then statuss is good

oh are you going to a high armor verssion?

[west quiver]

I would try an blue OD to se if it works better than Foundry variant

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah. give it a go. i dont know how much dmg you'll end up with but at least with OD you effectively get unlimited ammo so having to shoot a thousand bullets to kill an enemy is ok as far as ammo usage lol

[west quiver]

I don't need to deal damage, just providing bonus armor for the team

[glossy scarab]

ok then go blue

bonus armor from what, a vanguard chest? or does galvanize work from bleed (or you can use scorpio for that)

[west quiver]

alternating Vanguard with Galvanize, using Scorpio of course

[glossy scarab]

nice

that should work great in team play

[west quiver]

I've used already Foundry variant (build above), I want to try blue OD to see if would be better; in theory, it should, I have to test it hard way, boots on the ground 😄

[stiff jasper]

Try skill damage🫠🤫

[west quiver]

I have two variants of skill damage builds, thanks 🙃

[shy willow]

Crit

All blue

[west quiver]

OK, thanks, I'll try 👍

[devout agate]

What’s that green med kit thing that pops up, is it a specialization kit? With perfectly efficient

[tepid trout]

Give more context

Where are u what build are you running

Screenshot?

[urban latch]

I think your talking about the double tap medkit that gives 25% armor back, it's showing the duration until it can be used again

[proven comet]

I think he says the healing system of syscor

[tawdry flare]

Which doesn't work when you want

[urban latch]

Idk, I love that mechanic, it's saved me so many times already, especially on wright

[shy willow]

It's a great panic button when I get shafted by bleed or fire

OSP goes poof

[urban latch]

Yeah exactly. It's not saving you vs being shot or blown up, but it's amazing vs status

[gentle lichen]

Insta then full medkit is really good

But medkit intensive

[vestal ibex]

Use 1-2 kits or go tie your shoes....

[devout agate]

This is the one I took yesterday

The everyday carrier gives perfectly efficient

What’s a specialization kit

When I was fighting someone in conflict

They fully healed

And there was a green thing that popped up next to them

Like a green icon

[tulip charm]

Wow a hs build as your first pvp build is quite the commitment

[shy willow]

hazpro bonus on heal probably

[magic pilot]

Ps too

[shy willow]

jumping into the deep end

[tulip charm]

Fuck it we ball

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[devout agate]

It’s my 2nd one

I have a ouro and headshot build

But I like this one more lol

[devout agate]

So nothing to do with the specialization kits?

[magic pilot]

its instakit

[devout agate]

How do I use insta kit

[shy willow]

double tap right dpad

[devout agate]

Does it work with the firewall specialization kit

Like the bonus?

[shy willow]

no its flat 25 percent regen

[devout agate]

Does the everyday carrier buff it?

[shy willow]

your kit yes, your insta kit no

all it does for insta kit is chance to not consume it

[devout agate]

Oh ok

So that’s what that green icon is then?

The insta kit?

[shy willow]

likely yes

[versed summit]

#td2-build-advice message

[devout agate]

Thanks

[magic pilot]

it has a 10 second cooldown

[devout agate]

So everyday carrier or my specialization has absolutely no effect on the instakit at all

[magic pilot]

it might not consume medkit thats it

[devout agate]

Alright

[gentle lichen]

The chance or the medkit bonus?

Because i can tell the chance doesn't require the cooldown

You can spam it

[stiff jasper]

10 seconds is after you change chest to efficient, you need 10 seconds to activate talent

If you talking about 25% instant heal, it's 5 seconds

[magic pilot]

thats what i meant thanks

[devout agate]

What talent

[shy willow]

efficient

[devout agate]

So the insta kit goes to 10 seconds with efficient?

[vestal ibex]

They are talking about two different things here.

The "instant heal" is a double tap of your armor kit button and gives 25% armor on a 5 second cool down.

[grim plank]

What is the boomkit build?

[devout agate]

Ohhh

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like some ytube shid.

[devout agate]

What about the 10 second?

[vestal ibex]

That's in relation to efficient.

[grim plank]

1,6mil armor and he 2 shotted me

[devout agate]

I have efficient

[grim plank]

Think it is too

[devout agate]

So I use a kit and it takes 10 seconds to activate the talent?

[vestal ibex]

10 second cooldown after use.

[devout agate]

Ohh ok

Also how do I use my firewall specialization kit

[magic pilot]

Send a pic

[grim plank]

It don’t remember the build but he had cayote and striker I think

I should have made a picture of it…

[blissful rampart]

same way you use any armor kit press the button.

[devout agate]

Does it also transfer over to the insta kit or no

[blissful rampart]

no insta kit doesnt proc the specialization kit bonus, it only gives you a flat burst of 25% armor

[devout agate]

Ok

[blissful rampart]

Double tap for instant armor kit, or don’t double tap for full specialization armor kit.

[gentle lichen]

That must either be shotgun or regulus

[grim plank]

Shotgun called boomstick

[gentle lichen]

Double barrel is lethal

[grim plank]

Show me your build

[tulip charm]

backup broomstick is funny

damn thats alot of pixel

[shy willow]

holy resolution lmao

[sudden fog]

hmm

might try get oreo again

[shy willow]

if its anything like your last you gonna be there a long while

[tulip charm]

lol

[sudden fog]

after i got oreo i havent really been playing idk what to do now

[tulip charm]

it happens

[timid plume]

Is ''Perfect Clutch'' a useful/good talent?

[versed summit]

not really

[tulip charm]

no

[steep flint]

sorry if this is a dumb question but... Oreo?

[sudden fog]

ouroboros

the exotic smg

[steep flint]

oh okay lol

[magic pilot]

nicknamed ouro or oreo because its way easier to type than ouroobourous

[hexed steppe]

momento has a rival for most jacked up spellings

[zealous dew]

Isn't it just Memento

[versed summit]

yeah it's Momento

[zealous dew]

💀

[real blade]

Guys what is the minimum critical damage for striker build to have a decent damage?

I’m running st elmos and dark winter.

[vestal ibex]

Depends, coyotes mid buff a majority of the time I'd say 50ish, no buff I'd shoot for 60 and depending on how much secondary weapon use you have being over cap a couple % will raise it's DPS.

[urban latch]

You want chd in a 2:1 ratio if chc up until 60% chc/120% CHD, them all the CHD you can get after that. There's no hard rule of minimum CHD, but getting 50 chc/100 CHD is a pretty low bar that should be achievable for anyone. Obviously you'd like to have more than that

[real blade]

Ah ookay, my CHC is 51% and my CHD is 110ish. does SHD levels affect my gears?

[versed summit]

SHD lvls only affect the stats you upgrade in you watch

[real blade]

Ah i see, okay thank you so much!

And btw, what is that buff? Im sorry if the quality is not that good.

I think whenever i get that buff, i could do 1mill damage.

[versed summit]

Coyote's Mask Exotic mid range buff

[real blade]

And for the left ?

[versed summit]

the short range buff or the long range, I always forget tbh

[gentle lichen]

Short is bottom

It goes up the farther your target you shot is

[real blade]

Ah i see! I think i need to re-read the passive again. To understand how the passive works

[real blade]

Thank you

I’ve read the passive, but still confused how to maximize it.

[magic pilot]

Usually smg/shotgun-close buff, everything else mid buff

[hexed steppe]

For coyote the range you shoot your last target is the buff you and your team get

Close is chd
Mid is chc/chd
Long is chc.

[real blade]

So the buff percentage always changing?

[hexed steppe]

It kinda follows the weapons you may use at different ranges.
SMG has a lot of chc but not a lot of range. Coyote buffs the chd at close range.

Ar is kinda mid range for a little of both crits.

Rifles are more long range and come with chd on weapon. Long range buff the chc you may be lacking on rifle.

You can kinda plan the weapons you use and of you know you'll only use a rifle at long range but smg close your build can leave a bit of a deficit on chc/chd if you know you'll be picking up a specific buff when using the weapon

Most use ar and plan on mid buff so you'll see it suggested to hit 50%chc and let coyote give you the last 10%chc to hit the hard cap.

[real blade]

Ah okay, maybe that’s why my ar can deal more damage than my smg

Thank you so much! @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

It's all in how you utilize the ranges. Also you pretty much always be at the 60%chc cap with whatever buff you aim for.
You're welcome

Build+buff I mean should hit 60chc

[real blade]

Yes sir!

Ah another one, i like smg’s and ar’s.

Is there a good options for SMG’s?

Im using dark winter right now. But the magz cap at 35

[versed summit]

Banshee w/Fast Hands or an MP7 are great options

[magic pilot]

Unwavering too

[real blade]

Alright thank you, and ar and smg good for incursion?

Or ar and shotgun?

I want to prepare my build for farming Ouroboros

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex

This is your area

[rich lotus]

@vestal ibex Is this similar to your incursion build? I finally got around to putting it together (i know im super late to this party) and its just absolutely nutty

[urban latch]

Looks real good

I'd have a coyote setup for tanker, but that's what you want for the bosses

[rich lotus]

its pretty darned fun for countdown too, foam a hunter, do the nade thing and then bye bye hunter

[wise swallow]

no it does not

the 10 seconds to arm is after spawnning or putting the chest on

[vestal ibex]

Ahhhh yeah no that makes sense. Probs wanna reply to the guy I mislead then.

[wise swallow]

i told him to ignore the 10 seconds already I dont feel like telling him for a 3rd time

thats also the thrid time efficient has been explained to him

[vestal ibex]

All good lol. I probs made it worse.

[rich lotus]

not really related but everytime i pick efficient in Descent my armor kits turn grey and i cant use kits

[magic pilot]

He'll figure it out

[gentle lichen]

Eventually

[wise swallow]

he will, the debuff pops up he'll figure it out

[magic pilot]

There is only maybe 5 total blues I pick in descent lol

Ad rush, entrench, preservation, insulated and clutch

[gentle lichen]

Leadership on TOP

[magic pilot]

Not even in the top 20 lmao

[rich lotus]

leadership is a good "OH SH*T" skill

[gentle lichen]

You can proc that shit the moment the ads come out

Free bonus armor and for team too

[rich lotus]

whats a team??

[magic pilot]

If I'm relying on leadership that means shit hit the fan about 20 minutes ago and it's sliding down the walls

[gentle lichen]

Imagine solo descent

[rich lotus]

yeah, leadership is pretty good til like 37, then nothing matters anymore

[magic pilot]

I haven't picked it one time

[rich lotus]

i came in here complaining one day after my 400% armor + bloodsucker armor + adrenaline rush + 200% leadership got 3 tapped by a rogue agent

leadership is good to prestack intimidate

[gentle lichen]

Atp reviver hive/decoy is your only godsend

[rich lotus]

I actually kind of enjoy defender drone, even though im pretty sure i had that up during the aforementioned 3 tap

i love decoy in almost all game modes but in descent i find it useless except in arenas, where you dont really need it anyways

ill throw a tier 6 at the opposite side of the room doors even at lower elevations, and in higher loops they just dont GAF and come out shooting me across the room anyways

[onyx sage]

leadership is just an intimidate proccing talent for me tbh

adrush and bloodsucker to maintain

[magic pilot]

@tulip charm you down to join incursion?

[tulip charm]

I can after this run

[magic pilot]

ok fs

[rich lotus]

YEEEEAAAA BBBOOOYYYY countdown gods have smiled on me today

[onyx sage]

holy shit

[tulip charm]

Come

[glossy scarab]

son of a

[blissful rampart]

didnt drop with max stats, trash it and start over 😛

[rich lotus]

🙂

[glossy scarab]

its almost 2/3 max rolled at least

didnt come with a red core. scrap it. try again

and farm foreverrrrr

[rich lotus]

I really really hope HG is at a vendor tomorrow, zero Fs i got about 12-13k SHD levels across 4 characters ill spend it all for the chest

[onyx sage]

good bait

[glossy scarab]

let me cover my arse here: attention newer players. habsburg guard will always drop with a blue armor core

[onyx sage]

the newer players already trashed them...

it's too late

[glossy scarab]

its too late.. shite

[grim plank]

LF bighorn build

[tulip charm]

@wise swallow

[grim plank]

like a nasty headshot armor regen build 2mil armor

[wise swallow]

can use adrush instead of wicked

and can use fenris instead of prov

[grim plank]

catharsis not good?

what is the regen?

[wise swallow]

2.5%

idk what the value is ill check in a minute

[patent elm]

no maxed stats, gotta trash that one 🙂

[glossy scarab]

i'd like to Strategically Transport that Equipment to an Alternate Location

my inventory

[golden isle]

My homies, does Skill damage boost the deflector shield in any way?

[onyx sage]

yes

[golden isle]

Hell yeah, thanks bro

[onyx sage]

if you wanna make it strong you need skill damage yeah

[hexed steppe]

tsd as well?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

so memento probably not best option for it then. dang it

[magic pilot]

momento?

[hexed steppe]

mamental

[onyx sage]

monumental

[glossy scarab]

i just skip the nonsense and say "an object or item that serves to remind one of a person, past event, etc.; keepsake; souvenir."

[onyx sage]

indeed, very concise and to the point

[glossy scarab]

just flows off the tongue

[atomic turtle]

I did it... It's over...
It's finally over.

The build is complete. After nearly weeks of farming what felt like over 300 exotics.

My first and probably only 25 full expertise build I'll ever have.

It's been a ride. So many Countdown runs. So many setbacks and comebacks. What a rollercoaster of a ride.

Highest exotic streak: 4 in a single match of Countdown.

Number of Countdown matches: Easily over 400.

Hunters killed: Enough to make gear out of their axes and dog tags.

Noobies that ran VIP: More than actually survived to extract.

My journey is over.

Best of luck to anyone that does the same.

[glossy scarab]

very nice. but is the journey really over?

[flint wave]

damn out of all the builds to expertise 25

[atomic turtle]

It is to me.

[atomic turtle]

The only run and gun build I truly enjoy. So yes.

[magic pilot]

i hope the talent on that six-12 is changeable

[atomic turtle]

What would you recommend over Close & Personal?

And it's The Mops, so yes. Never touched the other two attributes.

[versed summit]

Pummel or fast hands tbh

[atomic turtle]

Oh that's right. Fast hands stacks per-pellet now, doesn't it?

[versed summit]

Ye

[atomic turtle]

Personally, I can't wait for that new one that amps damage if 6 pellets connect.

Did anyone here play the PTS to see how good that one played?

[rich lotus]

I saw new thing and was hyped but realistically nothing is better than anything we don't already have unfortunately

i think i double negatived there

the shotgun becomes a conditional amp with 16% being the maximum, whereas you could just use flatline or something and ALWAYS have 15%

[atomic turtle]

Fair.

[rich lotus]

weapon handling gloves tho, those are cool (for me and probably just me)

high end focus build go BRRT

[atomic turtle]

If you always hit your shots I would assume it's pretty much identical to Flatline. Which can't be that hard if you're up close as is the case with most shotguns.
But that's purely on paper. In practice it's never that simple.

At what buff percentage do you think it would be worthwhile to run it over Flatline? 20%? 25%? more?

[rich lotus]

It's not that it's shite, it's just. we have flatline, we have pummel, it doesnt do it better and it doesnt make gameplay more interesting or fun, thats kinda where my mind is at

[atomic turtle]

Probably better to just go back to the drawing board with it then, I suppose.

[rich lotus]

me personally? its not for building stacks (acs12) it doesnt do CC (scorpio) and there is no way im reliably hitting 8 pellets into someones head every time with HH Fury

so i just dont understand what its for

side note, the Rifle Gearset has potential, but not building stacks while the stack bonus is active kills it, its worse than an OG glass cannon build for damage, and thats WITH the bonus active, and its only active 50% of the time lol

[atomic turtle]

What about just having a talent that fits the run and gun playstyle? I don't know.
Maybe give it a mag refill every 2 kills, and a movement speed increase of 4% per pellet hit for a max of 32% lasting 5 seconds.

[rich lotus]

I'd like that very much, and I will personally contribute $50 towards your relocation to Malmo Sweden if they hire you 🙂

[atomic turtle]

I am NOT dev potential. You should've seen what other people have told me before. Often times confused or outright disgusted with my suggestions, lmao.

That one was a blind shot in the dark.

Also, I get that this a cover-based looter shooter at the end of the day. But a little more freedom to run around and kill things never hurts.

[rich lotus]

I legitimately like your idea that you just threw out. And TBH almost any thrown out idea seems doable and fun, the only ideas that are generally shit is when people larp entire brandsets with 9 paragraph long explanation on reddit

[atomic turtle]

It's why HF is my favorite build of all time.

[rich lotus]

It was an original idea, that and OG aces

[atomic turtle]

The whole premise behind my build is basically:
"I'm going to run around and shoot you in the face. And I'm going to make sure you can't run away."
"Bunching up won't help you. (Fires riot chem) Get ratioed by 5 Apex stacks and 9 Intimidate stacks."

And you know what? I have fun every time. It's great. Never a feeling like this from any other build.

[versed summit]

Flatline ends up typically being about 11% increase after the loss of CHC btw

[atomic turtle]

I switched it to Fast Hands, btw. I thought about Pummel but I'm not sure. Is the damage increase calculated different from close and personal or no?

It's +30% weapon damage vs 40% weapon damage + a mag refill every 3 kills. But it doesn't anything like total weapon damage or something else.

[versed summit]

Nah, but it refills your mag

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, that's about what I thought.

I guess I'll just stick to Fast Hands. Keeps my weapon consistent at least.

[onyx sage]

pummel is about 15% or more on full red

[tawdry flare]

20% even if you have expertised by 20

[onyx sage]

on hunter's fury?

doubt

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it's simple 90+10+15+15+25+15 = 170% wd

Pummel = 40% wd

[tawdry flare]

210%

[onyx sage]

2.7 is 2.3 + HF 15% + W&H 5% + expertise 20%

[tawdry flare]

Wait wut

Why wh

[onyx sage]

chainkiller

you can take it off but it's still close to 15%

[tawdry flare]

I see we can do +10% from badger as well

On the bag

[onyx sage]

that makes it even less than 14.8%

where's 20%

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

210%/170% = 23%

[onyx sage]

what?

[tawdry flare]

mafs

[onyx sage]

where is 1+?

your math not working lol

[atomic turtle]

This is all beyond me.

Anyone who understands math is an alien to me.

[onyx sage]

it's (1 + 2.1) / (1 + 1.7)

not 2.1 / 1.7

2.1 is even less than full red default

[atomic turtle]

Wait... so 3.1 / 2.7?

I'm fucking lost.

[tawdry flare]

With 4.11

[onyx sage]

yeah, that's basically what pummel gives

comes close to 1.148 or 14.8% increase

[tawdry flare]

On HF

And with 20% exp lol

[onyx sage]

yes, which can be even higher if you don't use HF

but basically it's diluted by weapon damage bonuses and brand bonuses is my point

[tawdry flare]

Wish the new shotgun was exotic M870 with refill mag talent

[onyx sage]

even with all that dilution, it's still close to 15% increase

which is basically flatline, but better

[atomic turtle]

Imagine if there was no diminishing returns in this game.

[tawdry flare]

There is in armour in PVE

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, but like... armor sucks if it's not on a tank build.

[onyx sage]

truege

[tawdry flare]

Even on a tank it sucks cause the red or purple doesn't care

[atomic turtle]

I only have 1 blue core on the knees which I can still roll back to red at any time just to take an extra bullet or two so my bonus armor doesn't go poof poof immediately.

What if armor kinda worked like in the first game. Except you still have the separate armor bar, but now you also get a flat damage mitigation % on it as well.

Increasing with the number of blue cores, of course.

I remember when the devs had to nerf armor in the first game since people would constantly go for it and just steamroll the whole game with like... 65% damage mitigation. lmao

I have a feeling it was more than 65% but my memories are hazy.

[steep flint]

DO WE HAVE A @magic pilot IN THE HOUSE?

[magic pilot]

whats up

[steep flint]

i have a bunch of Walker bags to put in place of matador while i farm for it and im not quite sure which one i should use

[magic pilot]

send some pics

[steep flint]

Have yet to touch any attributes on them just because I’m not sure if I should make sure I have the crit chance or the armor or vice versa yk? I know they’re not ideal but I just want to get something rolling to start farming the dz

I guess three of them I would have to just put ad rush on to use or should I use the one that already has it and put the crit chance or the armor attribute on it

[shy willow]

Oof none are double crit

The one with ad rush already on it will do just slot on chc

[steep flint]

i know they all kinda suck but ive been farming them for two days now just so i can start farming for matador lol

the build is far from perfect but i at least have an okay start i think and then can start slotting in more ideal rolls

[magic pilot]

use the one with ad rush already on it

[steep flint]

okay ty, i kinda thought so. I really just wanted to get it put together so i could really tell what needs to be changed out and stuff. not super happy with the stats rn so probably just going to keep farming countdown for the other pieces anyway lol

[dull ermine]

Assuming you hit crit threshold and do meet the requirements for sawyers, is sawyers stronger than coyotes (ignore red core etc)

[versed summit]

Numerically, maybe a bit, but in practice, no.

proccing it is not as simple as Coyote's

does also depend on the actual build

[dull ermine]

I find myself in cover for most of my gameplay so the cover isn’t much of an issue I think

But I could be wrong

[versed summit]

it's procced by not moving, not by being in cover.

[dull ermine]

Yea but if you’re in cover how much are you moving 😔

[versed summit]

I've been finding myself less attached to cover and more moving around it. If you're standing still in cover than sure, but typically not going to be worth it.

[shy willow]

Sawyers was used on sniper builds a bunch before hotshot idk if that's still the case

[hazy steeple]

even on MMR builds it was never reallly the best option.

Aces didn't even touch it, and high-end was just kinda "yeah it's there".
and IIRC Tips didn't go near it.

[dull ermine]

So I found a d&h weapon handling, headshot damage backpack today.

I was thinking to use hollowman with headshot damage rolled red, habsguard gloves rolled red with WH, hsd, fox prayers, Pgc, DCH

Is this a good option?

I think it would mostly work on razorback but idk

[fair dragon]

Razorback doesn't have a head

The backpack you got is really good for a HH build, just gotta reroll the talent to vigilance.

[tawdry flare]

Yet it can get one shot by Tac50

[fair dragon]

It can?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah on the DH

[fair dragon]

Ooh

Sorry I don't know much about raids

[surreal depot]

doesnt make it have a head

but if ur using DCH, normal HSD applies

[tawdry flare]

Should use chameleon

[fair dragon]

On the weak points right?

[surreal depot]

main health

but still it doesnt have a head

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[dull ermine]

So about the build?

[solar sable]

what talent should Mop have?

[gentle lichen]

You can double down on the armor on kill i.e preservation

[tawdry flare]

Insync for skill builds or preservation

[real blade]

Guys I’m running striker with ceska armor (weapon damage 12%) and i can change the talent to obliterate. Should i do it? Or wait until i get better ceska ?

[gentle lichen]

Is it double crit?

[real blade]

Crit chance 5%

[acoustic coral]

Talent > Correct rolls > max rolls in terms of power

Just get the talent, swap when you get a better chest

[real blade]

Noted thank you!

[junior surge]

Recalibration doesn't cost that many resources anyway. Optimization is quite costly, so I wouldn't recommend it on pieces with bad rolls, unless they're unicorn pieces and it's unlikely you'll get another

[covert meadow]

What would be a good Summit build?

[restive dome]

Anything you would run elsewhere really

There's nothing special about summit buildwise

[covert meadow]

Well seems it doesn't like all red builds to much, maybe I need a Tank build something not so squishy off of 1 bullet

[pearl trout]

What's a good way to get max attributes gear. Do you really have to be super lucky or is there a method?

[restive dome]

that's just practice.

[restive dome]

run in higher difficulties

[pearl trout]

Sounds quite self explanatory, thanks

[covert meadow]

Doing the legendary run, is strikers with obliterate chest the best option or should I run strikers chest instead?

[flint wave]

chest

[covert meadow]

Ok 👍

[restive dome]

Yea, sometimes the answer is simple 😉

[frail marlin]

For strikers u suggest Elmo’s engine or ourobouros ? Which is best

Group pve

[tulip charm]

depends

if you can get close enough or have someone run cc then oreo

[blissful rampart]

Oreo doesnt need any CC, its already super strong at base.

[shy willow]

if youre playing in SMG range to totally oreo

mid range and up definitely elmo

[flint wave]

elmo doesn't need any cc it's already super strong at base

[shy willow]

ouro can still outdps but it's got piss accuracy

[shy willow]

elmo and Hollywood was fun

[tulip charm]

It just so you have an easier time getting close to abuse it without popped like a balloon

[real blade]

Guys, why I can’t optimize my backpack weapon damage? My weapon damage is 12% but i have better stats 15%. And there’s no optimize option. It’s greyed out

[shy willow]

lacking materials or maybe you didn't extract it into the right slot

[gilded quartz]

Hey guys --- I'm trying to land a chestpiece with CHC + CHD + a slot for elite protection... regarding the CHC + CHD... is that just a random roll? Or is that somthing I can put in, like, replace a Headshot attribute for CHC or CHD?

Like this

[shy willow]

you can replace one attribute only

core, attribute, talent I mean

[gilded quartz]

Ohh

[shy willow]

replace one and you can't replace the others

[gilded quartz]

How do you do that

[shy willow]

tinkering station in your inventory

[gilded quartz]

Thank you so much

[blissful rampart]

rolls are random so just need to pray to the RNG gods for it to drop with what you want

[real blade]

This my striker backpack with 12% and i want to optimize it with the 14% .

[vestal ibex]

I'd just use the higher rolled and farm a better backpack. Just drop a max roll from some junk you find. I'd personally never optimize a gearset item, I'd farm a max core and recal.

[real blade]

Ah i see! Okay thank you

[dull ermine]

d&h weapon handling, headshot damage backpack

hollowman with headshot damage rolled red,
habsguard gloves rolled red with WH, hsd,
fox prayers, Pgc, DCH

Is this a good option? For razorback, bosses and general 1 shotting?

[shy willow]

without headhunter the build is nothing

oh is this a pistol thing

[vestal ibex]

That is a type of one shot build but it depends on what boss as to which is best.

Razor back 1 shot solo is a much more complicated thing.

[tulip charm]

wait you can solo oneshot razorback?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, strikers with bloody and chainkiller, get stacks up on strikers>proc bloody>get HH up with tac 50>hotswap bloody for strikers gloves and mask for hollowman>clap razorback. Here is a 4 man raid with 1 person shooting as you can see you can shift around your buffs and such per team and how quick you wanna take that shot changes things.

[onyx sage]

so pro

[magic pilot]

Can't you just use dch and rav??

[tulip charm]

That’s for weak points

[magic pilot]

That's not what he means?

[tulip charm]

No thats for literally oneshotting razor itself

[magic pilot]

Ohhhh

I didn't even know you could do that tbh

[tulip charm]

Same

[vestal ibex]

DH current speed WR is 6:48, zooming yo

[tulip charm]

xd

[magic pilot]

Solo DH is probably 15 min🤣

[vestal ibex]

On normal min is 4 people...

But the time for that is under 10 minutes lol

[candid night]

manhunt build i used, damage is piss but armor is really good especially in boss fights

Basically bulldoze by standing in front of chunga & doggos

[hexed steppe]

More like chipping at it with a shovel... bulldoze 🤣
Whatever works ig

Considered blue striker?

[wise swallow]

1.6 mill armour with 5 blue cores?

[covert meadow]

@hexed steppe that's something I might need to look at, a build that puts out damage but gives me some protection...I don't have 1 build that has decent armor

My armor is like 739 usually

[blissful rampart]

better off going full blue strikers tbh

[wise swallow]

I get the improv for PFE mods

[covert meadow]

A full blue striker?

[wise swallow]

but still probably beter off just killing faster

[blissful rampart]

just go full blue strikers and put 3 pfe if you want. still tanky and much more dps then full pfe

[covert meadow]

Ok so just changing cores, and the 3 pfes leaving attributes hot red?

[hazy steeple]

a certain encounter in the final area is going to put any skill usage on the backfoot, or at least the deployable ones.
hint hint.

[hexed steppe]

Can also use survivalist if you have it leveled. It gives free 10%pfe

[blissful rampart]

yea just changes the red main core to blue armor, leave the rest red.

[covert meadow]

Ok that sounds really good, gunna start building that, and yep my survivalist is full 165

Using Ouro and AR maybe f2?000

[onyx sage]

if you're up to it, even full red with 3 pfe mods are already tanky enough

[fresh grove]

I think that’s used in pvp like conflict or the Dark Zone, I could be wrong thiugh

[onyx sage]

pfe mods are the most powerful when you know you only have to deal with elites

[blissful rampart]

full red strikers with memento also pretty tanky too (tech for another shield core too)

[blissful rampart]

PFE doesnt work in pvp so its pve only.

[covert meadow]

Yep @onyx sage my strikers is all red now, I just never knew about these blue builds, but I use to here they were good, in certain situations

I wanna be able to use on open world and missions basically

[onyx sage]

yeah blue striker variants are unironically very versatile due to having lots of choice in backpack and chest talents

[covert meadow]

Nice

[onyx sage]

it helps that the 4p gives you a ton of damage to allow for that versatility

[covert meadow]

Ok cool, I was just looking at my build, and I'm like wait a minute... I can't change coyote to blue lol but it's strictly strikers pieces I'm changing, leaving obliterate and coyote hot

[hexed steppe]

It would be worth farming a second set of striker pieces to leave blue. Then you can vary your build as needed without needing to recal all the time

[covert meadow]

Yup that's what is definitely the better choice ty guys

[fresh grove]

True, that’s a smart idea

[half frigate]

Hey Odder, Azurmen32

[magic pilot]

😦

[timid plume]

What's the build to counter those damn explosive drones?

[hazy steeple]

Shoot them as soon as the two of them spawn in, it also kills the person who deployed them.

or my go-to when that isn't an option: Jammer Pulse.

[covert meadow]

@blissful rampart you mentioned running strikers full red with momento is this what you meant?

[blissful rampart]

thats one way yea (swap to Tech spec so you double down on more shield tiers comboed with memento.

[covert meadow]

Ok 👍 ty

Gives me tier 3

[versed summit]

Gunner is also an option for Armor on Kill, but survivalist is not great here.

[covert meadow]

Ok yeah I'm trying to run something where I can use the sticky foam with that combo

Yup put gunner in its spot

[snow compass]

Hi guys, I'm actually realy but like REALY stuck on my bad builds and I pretty much needs help as a solo players some advices about how to make snipers build what i usualy or try to use are

A sniper (obviously)
I use a M700 carbon with determinated talent I try to maximise my headshot DMG
if i could have some advice about how to find better loot for my build or anything just let me know please

(sorry for my mispelling btw)

[flint tiger]

should i switch for a ceska bag?

[snow compass]

btw what I see about the hotshot set is that more I have hotshot loot on me and more the headshot DMG would be good

[glass mulch]

If you're going DPS. You'll want to go all crit. So Ceska would be better if you're not going to use contractors

Crit chance needs to be as high as you can get it.

50% at the least.

[flint tiger]

ive got it at 50 so far, is there another lmg that would pair well?

[glass mulch]

The LMG you're using now should do. It's one of the best in the game right now. You can Iron Lung if you want an exotic instead.

[flint tiger]

kk cool good to know

[spiral flicker]

This is what I use for sniper one shots, Model 700 with determined is the best marksman because it has the highest base dmg I believe. Roll headshot damage on everything, and weapon handling because you don't need crit chance/damage. Use Chainkiller Chest, and Airaldi or Hapsburg or Providence Backpack with Concussion or Vigilance talent. And throw on headshot dmg gear mods for the mask, backpack, and chest. This is the basis, you can play around with the gear mods on the mask/backpack/chest, or roll for another gear stat besides weapon handling if you really want to.

[glass mulch]

Does your Famas have measured by any chance?

[flint tiger]

cant remember what i have on it currently

i dont use it too much

[glass mulch]

If it does, switch to strained, measured is the worst gun talent in the game currently.

You'll get a lot more damage out of that or optimist.

[flint tiger]

ok sounds good 👍

[glass mulch]

Glad to help.

[snow compass]

Thx for the helping

do you have tips about how to have some good loots

[spiral flicker]

Countdown or Summit on Heroic with targeted loot

Countdown best imo

[snow compass]

Thank you

[spiral flicker]

No problem bro

[snow compass]

🫡

[hearty forge]

It's a man-made godroll but still. A force multiplier with max skill haste, skill damage, a maxed skill haste mod

[timid plume]

is the FI build from the spreadsheet the most recommended for group play healer in legendary runs?

[glass mulch]

Pretty much. Giving good heals to your team along with buffing their damage? Always great for legendary.

Kill or be killed, and your teammates can make the kill go faster along with a good safety net.

[dull atlas]

im relatively new, is this a solid build? anything i should change?

[glass mulch]

You're good.

Pretty much the META DPS build right now.

[dull atlas]

sweet (: ill just focus on getting god roll versions then

thank you!

[glass mulch]

You're welcome. The only thing I'd recommend is just making sure your chest piece has a CHC mod and your Elmo's has DTTOC, that's it.

[dull atlas]

im missing DTTOC on st elmos unfortunately

back to countdown i go haha

[glass mulch]

Or you can re-roll it in the crating bench.

Whatever is easier for you.

[dull atlas]

im lvl 7 proficiency on it so im inching closer to 10

[rich lotus]

checking out this SHD 19000 Cat, one gila, one belstone, one grupo two improvised and memento. is this a pvp thing?

[tulip charm]

Not really?

[tulip charm]

Is he running pfe mods?

[rich lotus]

no, its 4 blue cores 2 red and crit hit and crit damage on everything

lol

[glass mulch]

Probably making a meme build because they're bored.

When you reach 19000, you probably don't have much to do so you just go nuts with weird builds.

[tulip charm]

You’d be surprised how often that isn’t the case

[glass mulch]

I'm 10000 plus and all I really do is my daily/weekly and activity farm.

I've got up to expertise 25 and I've done pretty much everything.

[onyx sage]

i'm still doing hard stuff

[languid tangle]

Need an idea on what PVE build I can use other than the striker.

[shy willow]

Hotshot, hunters fury, heartbreaker, eclipse, future initiative, theres a whole bunch

[next jolt]

hey guys, is it more optimal to optimize this or to keep reconfiguring it?

[hazy steeple]

You've got the correct stats, that's better value than having to pay more Exotic components to get said stats again.
honestly, if you want to save some stuff, just finish maxing out the dtooc and ignore the rest for now. It's by far the most important of the 3 stats.

[next jolt]

thank you!

[snow ingot]

Running 4 pieces heartbreaker with chest and bag rn. Using contractor gloves and planning on putting catharsis on when I get it. Other option is I stick the Belstone mask I have and wear ninja bike bag instead of heartbreaker. Thoughts?

[steep flint]

So I finally got a matador for the high end catharsis DZ build and I know the rolls are garbage but I’m not sure if I should get the chc on it or if I should put armor on it bc of catharsis

@magic pilot ^^^

[tulip charm]

Honestly just change explosive res to chc and farm another with both crit roll

[tulip charm]

Uh what do you want the build to do

[snow ingot]

Well I swapped all the cores in my heartbreaker set to red. It’s big damage with perfect flatline lmg. Belstone mask is my in combat regen without using kits.

I think I answered my own question tho. Ninja bike lets me get bonuses from petrov and Belstone 2 piece. So regen, handling, and 20% armor on kill with gunner.

Heartbreaker bag talent is funny and has def kept me alive a few times but it’s much better when full blue cores

[tulip charm]

Personally not a fan of bel since 1% armor reg isnt good and an extra 10 aok is meh. A memento would do you way better.

And if you really need the aok just run the mop

[steep flint]

hey @tulip charm is the hacking in this game a thing or not really. i dont usually like to jump to that conclusion but i was fighting these rogues and one of the teamates came up and one shotted me with what looks like a pistol. 1.5m armor . i thought damn, thats cool lol so i went back and he did it again.... twice more. is there a build that can one shot players with a pistol consistantly like that? i only ever saw him shoot one bullet all three times

[tulip charm]

Did you explode?

[snow ingot]

Regulus diff

[steep flint]

i dont think so

[snow ingot]

Hit em with the Texas ranger build

[tulip charm]

Either you got backup boomsticked or he’s cheating

[limpid pelican]

thats pretty common from a pistol regulus

especially on pc

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[limpid pelican]

depending on if theyre using glass cannon i think max headshot crit is just over 2mill

[steep flint]

damn i tried to get him to talk to me but only his teammates would type in chat and nothing about his build. but damn okay, that really can be a thing?

[limpid pelican]

100%. snipers are the same way. max hs with a sniper in pvp is ~4m

[snow ingot]

Thx for the advice. Ima stick catharsis then. Using lefty atm and I like it a lot for building stacks and chunking the big boys

[tulip charm]

At least get a ceska bag with vigilance

[snow ingot]

Hmmmm.

I will probably not do that, but your advice is duly noted

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[snow ingot]

< 3

[steep flint]

Thank you guys. Have a good night/day 🙂

[solar sable]

Okay, but why's that blue attribute in your chestpiece?

[serene grotto]

I haven't found a double crit yet

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr swap the chest for a U ceska w/obliterate talent and U yo've got the meta U regular dps setup. U

[serene grotto]

Don't have it been needing to get one

[solar sable]

you missed an U there, just saying

[solar sable]

Do you have Ceska as TL or Chestpiece?

[hazy steeple]

All sorted.

[solar sable]

LMAOOO

[serene grotto]

My second best chest is a crit and handling

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry about the attributes on this one, it's not worth keeping for this build anyway.

just work on getting the better one and use this in the meantime, it's 100% fine until then.

[solar sable]

God's sake I want that Elmo's rolls

[serene grotto]

Try 15 rolls

[solar sable]

I got mine at 90% done with 3 rerolls

but it's expensive on ceramics

[serene grotto]

I had mine maxed but with HS

I only did the last couple today

[hazy steeple]

Wasting exotic components on an item you can TL farm out is....well it's something.

[serene grotto]

I know but I only did it when I found extras I already had

That's my 5th Elmo

[hazy steeple]

11 components, gone forever.
sacrificed to Lootcifer.

[serene grotto]

Technically I never lost any just scrap useless ones I had extra of

Can you get pass season bps to drop

[hazy steeple]

You can check where the BP will drop for most cases via looking at the Crafting Table, but a lot of them will be from Descent/CP's these days.

[serene grotto]

Like the lefty it was s10

Can you get it from since it only says S10 reward

[hazy steeple]

Does it say that at the Crafting Table?

[serene grotto]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

actually nvm, it's from #td2-descent

there's a 📌 pinned message there with all the BP's listed.

[serene grotto]

Ok thx

[hexed steppe]

A worthy sacrifice to the great one
🔥😈🔥

[bitter orchid]

is the striker ballistic shield damage bonus, weapon damage or all damage?

[shy willow]

Amp

[potent carbon]

what the best or recommend build for ravenous?

[hexed steppe]

Probably nego or high end red

Both are in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[surreal depot]

striker

[rich lotus]

for a Hunters fury build, which is better? A build with all red cores with WD + CC + CD or a HF build with a 1-3 blue cores to get armour over 1 mil for more Survivability?

[vestal ibex]

Depends on you really.

That's a personal preference choice. Try putting a couple blue cores and scale it back until you feel happy with your survivability.

[rich lotus]

what the ttk for ads on players on heroic? Is it even worth putting any blue cores? Also does armour on kill matter with HF or is it too small of a function to matter?

[vestal ibex]

AOK and HOK from hunters is good. With a proper HF build you are killing enemies plenty fast, 1 mag or less depending on buffs/distance. Personally I don't run blue cores but it's not too impactful to swap a couple blue cores and again it's mostly personal preference.

[rich lotus]

Thank you

[opal glade]

PoliceM4 + Technician laz0r still the way to go for HB?

or did other rifles get buffed?

[magic pilot]

Do what funpolice said if you didn't do anything yet

[hexed steppe]

run all red with memento for survivability.

[rich lotus]

If am grinding hostages and control points going between safehouses, does the memento reset it's bonuses? If so, should i still run it or run something else?

[shy willow]

Resets if you fast travel

It won't if you walk

[hexed steppe]

you can fast travel to missions/ friendly convoys without losing stacks

[rich lotus]

anything else, like safehouse I'll lose the stack?

[hexed steppe]

yeah safe houses lose them. i think you keep at castle tho. but misiisons can get you anywhere within reason

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwBgtAjBnuHGWjlNSgXAVkyykEQDMaSCJi6EOEa8YAHOUxgCwy7OcUsBsYLccGQ4imlQuyGjpJdMX4xoOYH0J8A7H1kQAnEv71IhAoTZEJRHLOAsL1EPoiGe0HcNToWlHWGA-TYISG1mwsoVqiQA

^^ I put this build together for a Dark Zone combat medic sort thing where you do heals/damage/tank (a little... Ish) and it works well for manhunts. What kind of DZ healer builds do you guys recommend?

(also with my build you can replace the armor core kneepads and swap back to skill tier and then change the specialization, assault rifle and pistol for something different)

[hexed steppe]

if you have the classified mission sites youll also preserve stacks traveling to those

[rich lotus]

if i wanna do the uhhh the thing to get ouroborus what gear should i be looking to get?

[hexed steppe]

standard striker build will be solid. ceska obliterate chest, coyote or grupo mask, 4pc striker with bag. its in the pinned spreasdsheet as well

it would be good to have a striker chest as backup incase youre able to maintain the 200 stacks

[rich lotus]

so does this seem fine?

or should i throw on something for a little extra armour?

[tawdry flare]

Use only 4 pcs and need 1 ceska pcs everything else seems fine

Also maybe a shotgun do better

[rich lotus]

ceska?

[tawdry flare]

Instead of banshee smg

[tawdry flare]

Ceska brand set

[rich lotus]

hmm ill go farm one of those from summit

tbh i havent got the slightest clue about div 2 stuff

nor div 1 highest i really got was farming gear sets in div 1

[snow ingot]

Teal sets don’t do anything after 4 pieces

[tawdry flare]

Div1 and 2 are days apart and no classified exists in 1 if they existed

[snow ingot]

Tho it would be cool if you committed to a 6 piece set you got some wicked bonuses

[rich lotus]

used to with the classified stuff back in d1 ;-;

so is a brand set stuff like this?

or stuff like this?

[snow ingot]

Both

[rich lotus]

thats... confusing

so it can be both a named and regular item?

[snow ingot]

See the greyed out symbol behind the image of the item. That’s the brand. Webern wear and palisade steelworks are the brand for those images.

[shy willow]

palisade steelworks and wyvern are the brands

[rich lotus]

right...

so how come 1 item of ceska then?

[snow ingot]

Brands have named items that have additional stats. There is a non named version of the wyvern holster

[rich lotus]

what doth that do

[shy willow]

named items aren't like div1, they just have special talents or attributes, they're not exotic

and named items are also part of a brand

ceska is valuable cuz the 1 pc bonus is 10 percent crit chance

[snow ingot]

The stats that show towards the top right of the screen are the brand set bonuses

[prisma vector]

Hey guys, new here. Building my striker set atm with st elmo, was wondering what chest I should use for max damage please 🙏🏻 I'm using coyote's mask.

[rich lotus]

i see and crit chance good

[shy willow]

crit is the PVE dps meta in this game not DTA/DTE/headshot like 1

[snow ingot]

@prisma vector Ceska chest

[prisma vector]

I'm already at 58% crit chance tho, was thinking +10% crit damage

but fenris might be better ?

+10% ar damage, not sure

[shy willow]

you have too much crit chance rolls/mods

roll them off for crit damage and out ceska chest on

[snow ingot]

Then go sombra

[rich lotus]

how to i swap checkpoints in summit again?

[prisma vector]

ye sombra was thinking is best

[snow ingot]

15% crit damage one piece

[shy willow]

no can do

[rich lotus]

swear you used to be able to?

[shy willow]

if you have ceska just use ceska it's more valuable

[prisma vector]

don't have sadly

[shy willow]

yeah they changed summit now

[prisma vector]

I'm just hesitating between sombra & fenris tbh.

[shy willow]

gotta go from 1-100 unless you join someone elses summit

[rich lotus]

time to get my ass kicked ;-;

[shy willow]

fenris is bad outside of pvp don't use it

ceska>grupo>fenris

[prisma vector]

why would ceska be better than grupo if im alrdy capped on crit chance tho ?

[flint wave]

Because you can likely exchange crit chance for crit damage

[snow ingot]

Cuz you can drop 2 crit chance mods for crit damage for the same value as one ceska poece

[flint wave]

Then put on ceska and be close to cap again

[prisma vector]

ok i see

i'll go ceska then, thanks guys

[snow ingot]

Yuuur

[rich lotus]

this thing any good?

[shy willow]

nope

[rich lotus]

rip

[snow ingot]

Fun tho

1000 round of brrrr no stop

I like it with ongoing directive set, but only works at low difficulties

Works well*

[rich lotus]

so all i need now is a shotgun yeah?

[shy willow]

ideally an acs12

[rich lotus]

i have a lefty if that works?

[shy willow]

yep for sure

[fresh grove]

Change talent to obliterate and specialization to gunner or firewall

[snow ingot]

It works, just not best in slot

[fresh grove]

It doesn’t?

[snow ingot]

Lefty??

It’s still an acs12, just get more value from rock n roll mag size or other talents. Still builds stacks fine and can chunk if you use the talent

[fresh grove]

True

[shy willow]

rock n roll is dead and buried now oof

[snow ingot]

Damn fr

[rich lotus]

talent?

and i dont have gunner/firewall leveled ;-;

i suppose ill get leveling the fire boi

[shy willow]

every chest and backpack have talents same as div 1 high ends

the one you'll want is obliterate

[rich lotus]

i cant change it tho can i

i have to get a different drop

[fresh grove]

Obliterate it’s self explanatory

[shy willow]

same as div1 recalibration

you can change stuff but only in one slot

but you need to have what you're trying to roll onto your gear in your library first

[rich lotus]

oh?

[shy willow]

so if obliterate isn't in your library you need to extract it off a nother chest piece

[rich lotus]

oh you have to extract them now

[shy willow]

then you can roll it onto other chests

[rich lotus]

oof

[fresh grove]

Pretty much

[shy willow]

yeah it's not rng now

[rich lotus]

time to see if i have anything on it

i missed the rng ;-;

made me feel like the game hated me :p

i mean tbf it still does

[shy willow]

it was a bigger rush getting the perfect roll (except habs fuck habs) but more often than not trying to get god rolled stuff was impossible without vendors

[rich lotus]

i dont have anything with obliterate ;-;

time to see if the rng screws me over farming gear again

[fresh grove]

Gonna have to farm countdown till you do

[rich lotus]

was gonna farm summit

since i havent gotten to floor 100 yet anyway

[fresh grove]

I beat summit yesterday

[rich lotus]

countdown can be a bit boring when people leave 24/7

[fresh grove]

It can be

[rich lotus]

was funny tho

cus i farmed countdown before the manhunt

then did the manhunt and went "oh this is what coutdown was in relation to"

also that sight is infuriating me

so i just need one random bit fo gear

to roll obliterate then i take it to the tinker station

and suck the talent off it?

[shy willow]

precisely

same goes for attributes and cores

[rich lotus]

i have a question but idk if this is the right channel

so imma post it and see if i get bonked or not..

[shy willow]

just shoot

[rich lotus]

these apperances when you select them if you equip a exotic after they also gain the apperance so ik its a bug but will they fix it? or is it just a like keep it cus its not destructive?

[shy willow]

its been there for a while idk if a fix is planned

[rich lotus]

dang

[flint wave]

It's ez to fix just don't wear the appearance mod before switching to exo bag

[rich lotus]

it kinda does it if you equip it on any gear

before switching

its odd and annoying so if you want to use it on a bit of gear you have to take it off the bit of gear you where using to then see the exotic you want equip correctly

so its not hard its just kinda annoying

this one good for the scorpion shotgun

?

[vestal ibex]

Not really. The status effect is too short.

Unless you are on a status/CC build it's not worth.

[shy willow]

Scorpio griefs creeping death

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause you get just the poison one.

Maybe some other ones if creeping comes off cooldown tho.

[onyx sage]

but poison deals damage to health!!! just need 50 ticks or so to kill anything!!

[vestal ibex]

Only takes like 7-8 minutes to kill wright via this method.

[onyx sage]

speedrun meta?

[snow ingot]

Sounds fine with imperial dynasty and eclipse

[shy willow]

this is a strategy gate strat users would try

[onyx sage]

nah just eclipse

[shy willow]

very in character

[onyx sage]

imperial dynasty is glorified component

[snow ingot]

Is fun. Pyromaniac go brrrr

[vestal ibex]

Pyro good. imerial dynasty bad.

[snow ingot]

But people on fire

Spreads on death and initial tick with creeping

[onyx sage]

fire sticky:

[snow ingot]

Would be funny on low tiers. But can’t hold up well on the difficult stuff I know 😦

[shy willow]

firestarter:

[onyx sage]

you're also wasting slot for vile

[vestal ibex]

Yeah for speed running the leagues it could help tho.

[shy willow]

if it didn't have a whole ass 30 second cooldown

[snow ingot]

Yeah that kills it

[onyx sage]

big brain strat to time OSP timer

[snow ingot]

I run heartbreaker anyway, just like theory crafting

[onyx sage]

heartbreaker is alright as long as you know its limitations

[vestal ibex]

If OSP had a cool down indicator I would 100% use that.

[onyx sage]

just proc imperial dynasty and use it

[covert meadow]

Gm guys, what would I look at build wise open world/missions to take on these flying drones, 4 leg mechanical?

[shy willow]

hotshot

[covert meadow]

Fire does nothing really against them

[vestal ibex]

This is a troll...

[hexed steppe]

sticky transmog (appearance mods) can be corrected by clicking/modding another piece of gear use the sticky transmog there, then un-equip it and your exo bag will be normal looking

[onyx sage]

striker

[shy willow]

I distinctly remember there was one guy who said he soloed stovepipe with hotshot and had 0 issues

[onyx sage]

who

[vestal ibex]

Wasn't me.

[onyx sage]

i need to know

[covert meadow]

Yeah striker takes it all seriously, but those black tusk machines in Summit are rough

[shy willow]

I dont remember the name but it was in here at some point

[vestal ibex]

Stove pipe had sparkles right?

[onyx sage]

ye

all electronics

[vestal ibex]

HH that thing.. Calling bs on that.

[magic pilot]

What is that

[hexed steppe]

eclipse with jammer or emp sticky will trash an entire room of drones as long as they are close enough to spread.. works great in summit

[vestal ibex]

one shot protection.

[magic pilot]

Ohhh

[covert meadow]

The one with fire or the Countdown one? @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

just normal fire. you can keep thechem on it for npc and just put jammer on for robotic stuff

[covert meadow]

Ohh

Ok thought I had to rebuild entire one

[hexed steppe]

there is also a hardwire build for jammer spamming so every 10 seconds

[covert meadow]

Oh that one sounds nice to, what would I use on bp n chest

[hexed steppe]

nah, eclipse is pretty flexible

[hexed steppe]

you would use the bag for 10sec jammer. (also works as a cluster seeker spam)

idk if the hw chest is better than glass. probably want glass but i think for drones and stuff it will be strong enough either way

[covert meadow]

Yeah that would give me use of both of those as I don't have a build for either of those the signature sounds like tech?

[hexed steppe]

probably. but if at 6 skilltiers you can use what you like. there is a little damage gain and damage against skill proxies from tech tho, so it fits

[covert meadow]

Ok cool thanks alot 👍

[rich lotus]

this little fella any good?

[shy willow]

very powerful weapon for skill builds

wait why is it a chameleon

[rich lotus]

AYAYAYAYAY

[shy willow]

if you mean capacitor then yes very good if you mean cham no it's shit

[serene hare]

Guys, if I do 1 more Iron Horse run, I'll get the materials to complete the projects.
After completing the projects, I need to wait 1 more week to get the Regulus parts or I can just run it again in the same day?

[rich lotus]

yeah sorry

[shy willow]

another week

[serene hare]

Fuck

[magic pilot]

If you have another character you can do that

[serene hare]

I don't...

[magic pilot]

Wony or wait a week

[serene hare]

Well, I don't wanna run an entire campaign today to get those parts, I think I'll just wait, then.

[magic pilot]

Imo it's worth either way for another character

Eventually you'll need 3

[serene hare]

Why?

[shy willow]

scavenging points

you also get 3x the amount of projects

[rich lotus]

wait

[magic pilot]

And storage

[rich lotus]

can i put differnt main attibutes on armour?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[rich lotus]

including the gear sets?

[blissful rampart]

yea

[magic pilot]

Big man is here

[blissful rampart]

you can recalibrate one stat or talent slot per item 😛

[rich lotus]

i see

so then how do people get all max % on all their gear?

im good for the incursion now?

[blissful rampart]

combination of farming for higher rolls and recalibration and using the optimization station.

[rich lotus]

minus this ;-;

literally nothing upgraded

[blissful rampart]

time to farm 😛

[magic pilot]

Spreedsheet will be done today 😎🧐

[rich lotus]

cus ive never used it ;-; and i forgot how to farm them up ngl

[blissful rampart]

clear your invaded each week, they give you 5 spec points for each mission

[magic pilot]

Control points, missions, leveling up

Projects

[rich lotus]

well i got the sheild :p

[magic pilot]

Shield is the best part

[rich lotus]

these?

i see....

ngl i maxed out the ones from the dlc and then didnt touch the base ones

[blissful rampart]

yup, see the reward (gives you 5 points for clear)

[rich lotus]

time to kill some black tusk guys

or robots idk depends who stands infront of my bullets

[spiral flicker]

Also bounties, a lot of them give specialization points

[serene hare]

Got a Scorpio from crate lol

Oh my God

Ok, the day started pretty good today.

[magic pilot]

Wow

[serene hare]

Now thinking about something, for a weapon like 1886, does it really make any difference to have 10% DTTOOC or 10% HSD?

Because it's 10% extra damage regardless.

[blissful rampart]

not how it works.

[serene hare]

If you put Determined it's even more advantageous to have HSD, right? Or I'm getting something wrong?

[blissful rampart]

that DTOOC comes out higher since its a separate multiplier, and you have zero base DTOOC

[serene hare]

Hm

[blissful rampart]

meanwhile HSD is additive with CHD and your base HSD. so gets diminished .

[serene hare]

I think I get it.

[onyx sage]

if your pay is the product of your base pay times a 50% bonus, would you increase that bonus from 50% to 60% or would you increase the product by 10%?

[serene hare]

Don't worry, I get it already.

[blissful rampart]

lol i had it then just lost it .....

OHHH nm

lol got it

[flint wave]

math is hard

[blissful rampart]

pre coffee buff yes it is!

[steep flint]

how exactly does one go about getting a better shield splinterer?

[onyx sage]

buy from cassie, rolls reset every week

[steep flint]

cassie?

[vestal ibex]

Cassie is the secret vendor.

[rich lotus]

oh sone question about the ninja backpack thing

can it fufil the slot for multiple gear sets?

so can you have like 3p stricker and then 2p of a brand set

and then get the 4p striker buff and the 3p brand set buff

[steep flint]

yes, everything equipped i believe

[rich lotus]

okay thats actually pretty cool

[vestal ibex]

Cool but underwhelming.

[rich lotus]

no clue how to get it but im thinking it might be useful for pvp in dz

for the damage on the striker

[flint wave]

but nothing more then a meme strat

[rich lotus]

and then the armour rolls from the brand sets

[vestal ibex]

PVP has it's uses but it's typically a worse option in builds.

[rich lotus]

so its kinda a middle of the road build

[steep flint]

it can be useful but from what ive found and heard with a lot of dps builds it ends up taking away froma better backpack perk, especially the striker bag

[flint wave]

nobody would use all gearset nbb in pvp

[rich lotus]

oof

[vestal ibex]

A couple brand sets<a backpack talent.

[rich lotus]

it is a cool backpack tho

sadly i dont own it

nor do i ahve good guns for pvp

[vestal ibex]

Not saying it isn't cool but it's just poorly implemented.

[rich lotus]

tho one thing i have noticed about pvp

[steep flint]

yeah, i tried making an umbra build with ninja bag and couldnt get it to perform... until i took off the ninja bag lol

[rich lotus]

is that all the people with good builds

tend to just rinse out the players who havent got a clue (me fr fr (i havent got a clue)) and it makes it kinda annoying

[vestal ibex]

Have 2K+ SHD and 25 expertise all over?

[rich lotus]

oh and dz toxicity :p

[vestal ibex]

Welcome to modern day PVP in any game tbh.

[flint wave]

muh 23 dz credits

[rich lotus]

true

idk why people inherently make pvp toxic

or use cheese stuff

things i like about pvp is that its hard