td2-build-advice

[inland plinth]

and if you have streamer mode enabled then disable it as it hits any linked connected accounts of his.

[rich lotus]

Ah got it thanks

[still dragon]

for pvp should i use coyote mask or fox's prayer and should i have 2 or 3 armor?

[limpid pelican]

id say all armor core on striker pieces

and try to get ouroborus asap

id say coyotes with obliterate

you can def use ur current build but being low level in the dz id really recommend getting ouro asap

missing lots of stats from watch so smgs will compensate a lot for crit hit chance

since ur main handing shield splinter i wouldnt worry too much about it atm

but once u get ouro main that. its prob ur best chance of competing being down expertise and watch points

i wouldnt stress eagle bearer tbh. use sokolov for smg. i play on a couple low level alts from time to time. so trust that is probably ur only means of competing at low level. id start grinding ouroborus first if i were u

try and hop in a good team in the community ran div 2 discord

[rich lotus]

Yeah no. I watched your video and it just doesn't work that way lol. I get the idea of the peek. But the gun you used is way inaccurate for me. And I get bombed and flanked and everything.

[onyx sage]

i have 2 clips, one with famas and one with elmo. elmo should be the easiest one to use

[rich lotus]

Yeah I siwtched to that one. Still no go. Failed probly 10 times now.

Course I'm sure guardians event doesn't help but I like how the gun works with it active.

[onyx sage]

and getting bombed and flanked is an awareness thing. playing in duo is a bit easier cuz you can tell your 2nd to cover your flanks and you can cover hers

[rich lotus]

I'm trying by myself right now while I'm waiting for her to get up lol

[onyx sage]

guardians i've found to be quite excellent with automatic weapon builds like striker actually

[rich lotus]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

yeah solo is very hard, maybe try again in duo unless you want to practice more

but as long as you get the idea of the peek. it's the bread and butter

[rich lotus]

When I do it I'm still getting hit and some of the time my bullets actually hit the dumpster so maybe i'm standing a little too close.

[onyx sage]

yeah, that's too close

but too far and you're actually exposed

[rich lotus]

I almost got into the first door once. Chungas took me out tho

[onyx sage]

you gotta be just far enough

for second room don't push in as far as me. you can stay out in the doorway

[rich lotus]

Yeah

If I get there lol

Finally got to the first door

[narrow bough]

Now trying to play around a bit with some tank/dps ideas. Any opinions on that?

[tulip charm]

I would recommend running Heartbreaker instead

Comes naturally with blues also provides bonus armor

[narrow bough]

I played with HB in the past long enough to be honest, so i wanna try something else from my stash at this point.

[tulip charm]

Ah I see.

[narrow bough]

I was also running at some point red full HB to change gears, no pun there - so yeah, trying to make true patriot work. I was able to do some heroic 4 directives bounty against black tusk, but it felt tedious.

[tulip charm]

Well yeah TP currently is kinda bad

[narrow bough]

Purple and red guys are not problem at all, the mpx does its job but like the gold are just brutal. Even with all that armor, one gold enemy can shred it which is just absurd and i don´t feel like a tank at all.

[tulip charm]

Well one change is running a ceska piece

Especially when you're running a gearset without native chc + memento

[narrow bough]

Why ceska exactly? I have 55 crit hit chance

What if would run belstone or some high end blue gear with some red cores, would be that a better choice with memento and running around?

[versed summit]

Ceska is worth 5/3 of a CHC attribute
Grupo is worth 5/4 of a CHD attribute

end result is more CHD & CHC with ceska.

[tulip charm]

oh with ceska you're overcapped by 2% but at it looks like you're running a chc mod (Assume everything is max)

TP is bad currently ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy willow]

your dps output is gonna be garbo cuz of all them blues and TP

its a support set it's not really meant for soloing things

even then, oppo gives a bigger amp with one piece

[narrow bough]

And what about running belstone pieces with other high end tank pieces and some red cores?

[tulip charm]

that 5% (10%) armor doesnt really matter

wtf was that

[shy willow]

trying to tank isn't advisable in a sit there and soak bullets manner

[shy willow]

some server invite or something

if you want survivability and damage, run striker with memento and some blues

or hunters fury in a similar manner

[narrow bough]

Man, i played so much with striker or hunters fury i just wanna try out different things at this point.

I don´t like how striker is about fast rpm so i cant run with all weapons and hunters is for shotgun mainly and smgs.

I am looking for something where i can be more flexible and use whatever i can think about on spot.

[tulip charm]

try Skill hybrid?

[shy willow]

there is a hunters fury build dedicated to a pistol

if you want off meta, try heartbreaker

[tulip charm]

Doesnt want to run that either

[shy willow]

dps builds are all the same shit mostly anyway so its not like there's much variety

[narrow bough]

I have one skill/dps hybrid, don´t have much fun. I would love to try out for example savage wolverine weapon so i am looking for something that will allow me just storm into control point and get close.

Yeah i tried multiple versions of HB already. Red cores, blue cores, mix of those and i played a lot with it.

[shy willow]

close and personal isn't as good as you might think

[tulip charm]

isnt it just wd?

xd

[shy willow]

if you want up close gameplay, run hunters fury as previously suggested

[shy willow]

ye base weapon damage so not as good as strained or fast hands tbh

[onyx sage]

perfect c&p is very strong but it's on an AR meaning it's not very strong in close range to begin with

if it was on a shotgun or smg it'd make more sense

[narrow bough]

Hm maybe i will go back into umbra then, that does not need stacks and it has a interesting mini game.

[shy willow]

umbra does need stacks lol

you just build them in a different way

[onyx sage]

it still has stacks, but realistically it means you only have a damage uptime of around 20s

then you're forced to go back into cover to recharge your damage stacks

[narrow bough]

No i mean umbra does not rely on fast rpm weapon. I can pick whatever with it, wait in in a cover and will actually gain the fast rpm.

[onyx sage]

striker stacks naturally with the process of hitting enemies

[shy willow]

like I said dps doesn't have much variety so no point trying to run anything funky

[narrow bough]

So i guess i can also ditch the idea with belstone and some red cores, right?

[shy willow]

you can offset it by running a shotgun to build striker stacks

[shy willow]

1 pc belstone on its own isn't much use

memento gives triple the regen

[narrow bough]

I did this as well, also on HB the shotgun thing.

No i mean like multiple pieces of belstone, memento and some red attributes to it

[shy willow]

2 belstone + memento means you're not running 4 pieces gearset

which is also no use

[narrow bough]

I don´t know how to explain it lol. Like belstone is an example. Belstone with something, with something, with memento or mixing it with something else. Without gear sets, like putting together some high end tank/dps.

[shy willow]

again, if you want survivability, just use a blue or two and memento

[onyx sage]

belstone is 1% when memento fully stacked is 3%

[shy willow]

using stuff like belstone means you're missing out on crits

[onyx sage]

it's really not that big of a regen loss to swap out belstone for a more offensively-benefitting brand

[narrow bough]

Ok lets say, almost everywhere crit hit chance hit damage, memento and few blue cores to something?

[onyx sage]

yes

[narrow bough]

Ok example

3 pieces of providence, memento, ceska and something with that (walker for example) and putting two blue cores into one of those pieces?

[shy willow]

it's better to do this sort of thing with striker

it massively compensates for the lack of red cores

[narrow bough]

😦

[shy willow]

high end is different gear but you're still shooting things at the end of the day which is what striker excels at anyway

[onyx sage]

i mean you can do this

it's just as naval said, your damage ceiling will pale compared to striker

but you can do it

for heroic content and below (and solo) it's more than enough

[narrow bough]

with striker i need to rely on fast rpm, i cant run with it something like mk16 or honey badger compared to lets say vector or something.

[onyx sage]

a shotgun will stack faster because each pellet stacks striker

[narrow bough]

yeah i don´t care about raids or legendary. just wanna run around the map and destroy things and try different things

[onyx sage]

so you take acs-12 rpm and multiply by 8 and you have its "effective rpm" beating out vector

stack with shotgun, then swap to your main weapon

[narrow bough]

i was doing this in the past which is the reason why i am not going for this anymore. there are way more weapons i wanna try out

[shy willow]

^ with striker you stack with a shotgun secondary then go ham with your primary

[onyx sage]

i mean you can have fun with your main weapon

the shotgun is just a way to build stacks

but again, you can try other sets aside from striker. striker is just highly recommended due to its damage ceiling

[narrow bough]

like i said i was using shotgun for stacks before. i just dont wanna go for striker anymore, there are other gear sets and other gear pieces that are just existing in my stash and i am trying to find a use for them or try different things instead of going for what is just the most strongest.

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury, ongoing directive, umbra are all good sets in heroic and below

and high end as you stated

we all tried those. we just are giving you the findings. but no one is stopping you from trying all of them out

[narrow bough]

I think the most effective is easily heartbreaker since it is absurdly EZ to build the bonus armor and with talent like intimidate it can work like a speedrun build.

[shy willow]

the issue with heartbreaker is you can't regain the bonus armour if you lose it until you drop stacks

[onyx sage]

HB is also fine

[shy willow]

and you can't build stacks on certain stuff

other than that it's pretty nice

and instead of intim you probably want the chest

[onyx sage]

intim loses just a bit to the chest but stacks way faster. the only real difference is you get less stacks (so not only you get less damage ceiling, you also get less bonus armor ceiling) and you have to play close range to benefit from intim

[narrow bough]

Can be uzina two pieces worh it with the rest of the build having like grupo mix with other only red pieces and memento?

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't say so. you are getting aok at the cost of damage, and you're running high end to begin with so you already are dealing little damage to begin with

you can try it of course. i'm just thinking you're trading too much damage (2 possibly good brands like ceska and providence) for little regen (10% aok) while memento already gives you good enough regen

[shy willow]

if you want AOK you can run gunner for 10 percent free

[hexed steppe]

Personally I just stack with elmo.

Nowadays more likely to just have an m1a on secondary instead of acs. 😅

[hexed steppe]

You might consider pairing memento/tech class (set to repair skills) with a shield and healing skill. Healing skill can kinda be considered like regen when it's up, or heal chem for burst healing when need.
Mem/tech class is 3 shield tiers/2 skill tiers, 30% skill health(shield health), 40% repair skills while... leaving 5 open spots for whatever gearset/high end you want.
Also it's not all striker or hb.
Nego is very strong(no stacking), hunters fury and umbra both have some type of aok/regen.. all are pretty decent damage

[frail marlin]

Can someone share me a memento/striker build? 🙂

[hexed steppe]

Striker 4pc. Memento, ceska chest with oblit. Crit chance close to 60% and crit damage for rest of attributes.

[frail marlin]

Thx! How much blue should I have

[hexed steppe]

Preference. Personally I dont run blue cores. And just have the 1 on mem. More blue cores will get better bonus armor so 1-2 extra will probably leave you with ok damage. If you find the damage lacking you can always roll a core back red

[frail marlin]

Ok sweet

[queen gyro]

Are specializations permanent?

[hazy steeple]

Yep, once you unlock them they're always unlocked.

The bonuses for them are only active whilst the Spec Tree is though.

[queen gyro]

I guess I asked poorly. if I pick Firewall, am I stuck there?

[hazy steeple]

Nah you can go back to the bases and pick a different one whenever you feel like it.

Actually you need to have each active in order to gain points for it.

[queen gyro]

cool. which one is most fun? I'm running pulse and turret with a sniper and an assault rifle right now. I like that play style.

[grim plank]

hi guys, im using a fully crit build i have 60 chc and 176chd but which weapon should i use? im using st elmo engine and sometimes revanous

[hazy steeple]

@queen gyro Most fun? Well that's pretty subjective, but if you're asking from a gameplay perspective; they're mostly designed to work around the bonuses that they give your build, the Spec 4th Gun is the least important part about them, meta-wise.

[hazy steeple]

First thing to do is make sure that you aren't breaking 60%, as any CHC over 60 is wasted.
after that, well the gun doesn't matter quite as much, a lot work. What pieces are you using?

[grim plank]

uhm the best pieces for the crit build i saw on youtube, im not over the 60% but i like the revenous a lot and it does a lot of damage

[hazy steeple]

You want to be a little careful with youtube div2 builds, a lot of them are kinda wonky.

[grim plank]

providence, fox prayers,ceska, grupo. talent on chest olibirate and backpack is vigilance

[onyx sage]

any reason why you're using high end pieces? is it just to highlight ravenous?

[tawdry raven]

bulletkings pretty fun now that it can be crit built

[hexed steppe]

High end still viable

[hexed steppe]

3prov grupo fox contractors better. Ceska puts you overcrit unless you have a bunch of non crit rolls.
Your current talents are solid

[tulip charm]

cant run ceska and prov at the same time

[serene hare]

Should I try using Lady Death to pair with Striker + crusader shield build?

[onyx sage]

mag size is too low to be worth it

[serene hare]

Which SMG should I use?

I didn't get any good one.

[hexed steppe]

Use an ar

[serene hare]

Idk, RNG isn't really friendly, I'm getting pretty tired of running CDs to get the elmo or something

[hexed steppe]

Gonna be your best all around option. Itll handle close and mid range well. Doesnt need to be an elmo tbf

[serene hare]

I also still didn't got a better Ceska chest, I'm almost punching myself to sleep with stress.

I'm getting the Warframe flashbacks, getting stressed by infinite grinding to get nowhere.

[hexed steppe]

Rome wasnt built in a day. Itll all come together.

[serene hare]

Ok, and what am I suppose to do with all of that? My sniper build is barely perfect.

It only sucks if I try to farm other individual parts for other builds, if I try doing them.

Because in CD you cannot stack.

[hexed steppe]

Try running a but of summit. You can add directives and you'll get your 15floor project done. Summit was the best option before cd dropped. Still has decent drop rates

[onyx sage]

you can craft a police m4

[serene hare]

I think I'm getting kinda stressed because I see no reason for all of that, or maybe because I play mostly solos.

Idk, something is happening and I can't figure it out.

[hexed steppe]

It's all rng. @6400 hrs I'm still searching some unicorns

[serene hare]

I'm low on steel, not happening now.

I'll keep my scar light, I guess.

[hexed steppe]

Solar farm cp

Materials heaven

Anyways use what you got and incorporate new stuff as you get it

[onyx sage]

it's building time

[serene hare]

There's a fucking helicopter near the solar farm

Maybe I can beat it.

[hexed steppe]

You'll figure it out 😅 . Many challenges to overcome

[onyx sage]

descent when they put a quadcopter on loop 100

[signal pivot]

Is the ninjabike backpack good for sniper builds? Or is 4pc hs+2pc gh better?

[serene hare]

gh?

[hexed steppe]

its not great, but not as detrimental as it is to other builds since headhunter builds generate a ton of damage. ninja youll be looking at a ~18-20mil top end , where a 4hs, chain killer, airaldi vigilance will produce ~30mil top end with m700 carbon

[signal pivot]

One sec, I thought the set was called gh

[signal pivot]

Carbon? Doesn't the standard m700 do more damage?

[hexed steppe]

99.9% of time losing the backpack talents for ninja to trade a couple set bonuses isnt worth

yeah, high base damage, less mod and i think single round reload instead of mag fed

sr1 also slightly more than carbon. but at those top end numbers its more preference since they all in similar damage ranges

[rich lotus]

ninja def not worth it for sniping, you need 26 million for elites in 4 man legendary

[hexed steppe]

probably thinking habsburg guard

[signal pivot]

so if Im hitting 29 mil after a few chainkiller procs, Im good to go?

[rich lotus]

you should had the letters in the wrong order 🙂

[signal pivot]

Oh, exactly. Got the letters backwards, my bad lol

[hexed steppe]

definitely

[signal pivot]

Im not using perfect chain killer though, is that bad?

[hexed steppe]

top end is the same

[rich lotus]

doesnt matter, chain killer is faster ramp up but same top end

[signal pivot]

Oh so it takes 2 kills instead of 3 or something?

[rich lotus]

not sure tbh since im also using chainkiller

I think it's 3 kills to hit cap regardless of Chainkiller/Airaldi vs 2x HG

[serene hare]

It depends of the damage you're dealing

[rich lotus]

nm, seems like it hits cap on the second kill

[serene hare]

Am I getting crazy or the Castle in East Mall was a uninhabited place in the past?

[magic pilot]

This is true

[serene hare]

I got scared when I saw that place with NPCs inside.

Since when this changed?

[onyx sage]

ubisoft gaslit the place into existence

[signal pivot]

Yeah cause I do like

5.7 mil first shot, cap at 29 mil

[signal pivot]

So this is the build im rocking atm. I think I need a different chest piece with more damage right?

[onyx sage]

well not really, if you have the right stats (hsd on each piece) it's basically perfect

the only choice you can make is use vigilance instead of concussion for backpack

[signal pivot]

Vigi beats concussion?

[onyx sage]

yes

concussion does not work on first shot

[signal pivot]

But doesn't vigi basically not work for the rest of the shots? Im a solo player and take all the aggro/damage

or is the first shot that important to get headhunter stacks rolling

[tidal valve]

if you want more survivalbility, you can just swap that backpack talent to bloodsucker 🤣

even though hotshot 4 piece already give you survivalbility

[hexed steppe]

its important. the more you can front load some damage, the easier it is to start the chain.

[onyx sage]

4p hotshot gives you bonus armor once you get the buffs up, so it gives you more room

and yes first shot damage matters a lot. without vigilance you're missing out on 25% damage from stealth

[serene hare]

I think I found a weapon to use

Killing a special heroic special enemy in 20 bullets

20 to 30

[shy willow]

An MMR with headhunter can do it in one hehe

[serene hare]

Need to stack before tho

[shy willow]

You can one shot purples in solo for sure on first shot

I've gotten very close with elites with a mantis so you can probably do it with a model 700

[serene hare]

True, but I'm talking about special heroic enemies

It's impossible to one shot them with headhunter unstacked.

[shy willow]

Named?

[serene hare]

Yes.

This is pretty good imo.

58% crit chance and 106.2% crit damage.

Finally found my weapon.

I fear using my Bee to see the max damage I can deal.

[shy willow]

Bee theoretically would be super good but I find it's difficult to mark more than 2/3 enemies

[serene hare]

Not like it's really necessary to stack more than this to make your primary super powerful tho

Reach is something that might hurt a little bit, this weapon might be good for close quarters, countdown and missions where enemies are pretty close in general.

For open world I'm not so sure of the efectiveness of this weapon and SMGs in general, I'll test it tho.

[gentle lichen]

That's still 40% to 60%

[shy willow]

there's not much areas you need that damage where it's worth marking first

[gentle lichen]

But its mainly because the dps exotic you want is ouro lol

[shy willow]

Only takes an extra step to shoot em dead CBA swapping

[gentle lichen]

Or elmo

[shy willow]

That too

It's got to contend with shit like the regulus, ouro, Scorpio, Elmo allat

[serene hare]

And I have none of that.

I don't know how to play Iron Horse -_-'

[shy willow]

Only regulus is from iron horse

[serene hare]

And it's one of the best ones, right?

[shy willow]

Yes

High entry level though at least on console

[serene hare]

So, I can't do IH, I'm an idiot.

And RNG isn't on my side, I'll never drop it.

[shy willow]

I meant to use the gun to it's full potential

Iron horse is easy as shit as a first timer

It's only as difficult as you make it as long as your team is decent

[serene hare]

Idk, the best I can do is to keep outside the cannon and kill mobs, I have no idea how those monitor thing works.

[magic pilot]

Regulus isn't a drop

[shy willow]

You don't need to

[serene hare]

Well, even worse, then.

[shy willow]

regulus is guaranteed

After multiple runs and project donations

[serene hare]

I meant drop from enemies in CD or summit for example.

[shy willow]

You should check out groups for IH, it's definitely worth having a regulus

[serene hare]

I remember this channel was used to have VC for raids, it got removed?

I mean, this is a second account I have, I don't remember how to activate it if it still there, let me check.

Yeah, I can't find anything.

[shy willow]

Better to find teams in Gcrock or the community server

[silent storm]

450 hours and finally completed all my armors, now to finish up my guns

[solar sable]

What talent should I recal to my god rolled tac vector that's on a HF build?

[onyx sage]

good question. it's probably fast hands

[serene hare]

Tac Vector?

What's so special on that weapon, honestly?

Some people have mentioned it sometimes.

[onyx sage]

rpm, but it's pretty much it

[serene hare]

What rpm, again?

[solar sable]

I'll check that one out

[onyx sage]

rate of fire

rounds per minute

it's highest for high end

[serene hare]

Jesus, what a complicated name.

[onyx sage]

rounds per minute is standard terminology

[serene hare]

Why don't you just name it "fire rate", Ubi?

[onyx sage]

used in military too

[serene hare]

Yeah, but this is a game.

[onyx sage]

it's a military shooter

(sort of anyway)

[serene hare]

I'd say that, the famous "kinda"

[onyx sage]

idk, they do mean rate of fire as another stat entirely from the base rpm of the weapon

in this game the base rpm is like the "base rate of fire" that can get boosted by a stat that's also called "rate of fire"

so your effective rate of fire is your base rate of fire × rate of fire%... i'm just messing with you. i agree it's a mess

[serene hare]

In Warframe (and basically every other game) we just say "fire rate"

like the famous "KISS"

(Keep It Simple, Stupid)

[onyx sage]

this game isn't a really good example of that yeah. lots of undocumented mechanics

[serene hare]

Man, Idk, everytime I read your name and Chameleon's, I just start laughing

and I don't stop for a while

[onyx sage]

ikr it's so funny to just say on a whim

it's just a prank on azurmen, one of the mods here

he hates focus

[serene hare]

Oh, I saw this one before

Focus is such an ass of an talent, tho

[tawdry flare]

You should have seen my name in my prime it instilled fear In the hearts of mod

[serene hare]

Hell, there's no one doing IH now...

[serene hare]

No way...

I got a lady death on CD

[solar sable]

noice

[serene hare]

In other hand, I had a terrible team doing CD

Basically a god roll too.

My actual SMG is so busted that I don't even know if this weapon is really necessary tho

The damage is impressive and the movement mechanic is cool, but Idk.

[hazy steeple]

@serene hare It's an actively worse weapon than a good high-end SMG, so just keep it for fun, not to use in endgame content.

[serene hare]

I was thinking about DZ type of game, might be useful.

[hazy steeple]

locked mods, no real damage talent. It's kinda bunk.

[serene hare]

I think that in general, my main SMG is stronger.

Have more ammo and more precision.

[hazy steeple]

for your DZ build, what I'd recommend doing is opening up the spreadsheet and just following one of those. Then you can build your own off their framework.

"pvp basics and starter builds" is the category.

[gentle lichen]

It's good but ouro overshadows it in dz

It still is strong in pvp and is used for melee builds in conflict but a good 80% of its usage got replaced by ouro

[magic pilot]

Technically outdps ouro with stacks tho

So if you have really good movement it's better than Ouro in PvP

[gentle lichen]

But fighting multiple players will be difficult

Stacks go away fast after a mag and a half

Ouro keeps up not to mention its ability to stack obliterate/striker exceedingly well

I'd say lady death would work pretty good on something like an intimidate build

[tawdry flare]

Good for Speed running league with ep

[serene hare]

What is ep?

[tawdry flare]

Eclipse protocol

[signal pivot]

how do I get HG recipes?

[fresh grove]

What’s Hg?

[signal pivot]

Habsurg Guard

[onyx sage]

see if you can unlock them via CPs, if you can't you're out of luck

[magic pilot]

i have HB blueprints so im guessing its from CP

open world going crazy

[onyx sage]

yeah

they're adding more and more old season bps to CP chest pool

[onyx sage]

hax

[magic pilot]

ok so perfect timing on this

ive done 181 control points and now have all the blueprints from control points

[onyx sage]

nice

i remember someone saying they contacted ubi support and got the list of next blueprints coming next update

[magic pilot]

really?

[onyx sage]

yeah

let me look it up

[onyx sage]

#td2-general-chat message

[magic pilot]

electrique is already craftable?

[onyx sage]

just for people who missed the bps from the seasons

[fresh grove]

Ic, had to search it up

[grim plank]

What’s the best damage build for pve? I love using the ravenous

[onyx sage]

the best damage build for pve... doesn't use the ravenous

[grim plank]

💔

St Elmo?

[onyx sage]

it can use elmo yes

and it's striker

[bright raptor]

If you want to try something other than pure single target damage you can try Negotiator's Dilemma as well

[main quest]

ive only had the game for about 2 weeks, what should i do that could make this build better and how can i farm better attributes?

[flint wave]

Remove ninjabike and use striker backpack. Run a better assault rifle(and not an smg in disguise)

Good options are St elmo, famas, f2000, m4

[bright raptor]

replace Ninjabike with the Striker backpack, replace Walker with Ceska for the crit chance

[flint wave]

Obliterate is also better then GC because u don't die in 1 shot

[versed summit]

M4 is not a good option anymore.

[flint wave]

what's the better easy handling high end ar then I'm out of loop

[bright raptor]

The extra crit chance from Ceska also removes the reliance on Chameleon as a crutch for crit chance and damage

but in the meantime it's workable. If you're on Hard/Challenging global difficulty go up to Heroic for a better chance of getting gear with better attribute rolls

or just do Challenging Countdown until you get what you want

long term wise you also want to farm an ACS-12 as it is the fastest way to build stacks for Strikers

[main quest]

@bright raptor thank you

[versed summit]

I’d say that the mainstream ARs handle well enough that it’s not worth using for handling. You could likely take handling mods on a famas and get more damage.

[flint wave]

pretty sure +10% accuracy is not gonna do anything

along with 10% stab and 5% weap handling

[magic pilot]

Mk16

All the weapons have good enough handling besides AK and TKB

[steel rampart]

You will also want damage to targets out of cover as the 3rd attribute on all of your guns

[hexed steppe]

M4 got nerfed?

[flint wave]

thats what I'm saying

[hexed steppe]

Hell I still use a c7 on some builds. Still solid. Resolve made other weapons good, but didnt ruin the old favorites . Just a lot more options now

[urban latch]

M4 stayed the same while many things around it got raised, which is effectively the same. It's why the "never nerf, only buff" mindset is incredibly dumb

[hexed steppe]

Tbf, these buffs have just basically turned heroic content into challenging. The fact that the old favorites get the job done well hasnt really changed

[signal pivot]

Is there a rifle build that uses the m14?

[shy willow]

Rifle builds don't really exist

They're just accessories to high end and negosh builds

[hexed steppe]

nego will benefit rifles quite a bit. ar/m1a is a solid nego combo

[faint dagger]

Any build that use dark winter ?

[versed summit]

It fits into basically any SMG build

Hunter’s Fury is a good place to start.

[faint dagger]

Gotcha, returning player shit ton of set and exotic just don’t know what to do with em

[signal pivot]

Nego?

[versed summit]

Negotiator’s Dilemma. There’s a helpful written guide in the pinned spreadsheet.

[faint dagger]

Since I got an eb there should be a build for that as well

[versed summit]

It’s really more useful for PvP, and while there’s better options generally, you can run it on just about any AR build tbh. Doesn’t really have any synergy that I can think of.

[sullen sun]

Do you need the HW chest and bag?

[shy willow]

If you running a HW build you probs want glass cannon

Bag is nice though

[bright raptor]

bag for maximising your ability to use the Hard Wired talent to absolutely spam skills

[main quest]

what can i do to make this better

[shy willow]

Swap your chest talent to obliterate and the brand to ceska

Swap dark winter for an acs

And either add 1-2 blues or go all red

[main quest]

how do i get the named acs?

[shy willow]

Rock n roll is dz exclusive

Lefty can be dropped anywhere

Target shotguns in countdown

[main quest]

thank you

[hazy steeple]

Honestly don't even bother with the named ones. Lefty is only better in certain situations, and these days a Fast Hands ACS will serve you better in every other case.

as a general rule, a lot of the Names Items aren't useful unless the specific version of that Talent/special stat is required.

[solar sable]

I bought one at the cd vendor

I've seen these Striker builds but I don't know the difference or if they're meant for certain content.

[shy willow]

Dz exclusives can appear at the CD vendor

Same thing with yaahl at the clan vendor

[shy willow]

First is solo survivability, 2nd is incursion, although would’ve been better off with bloody knuckles

[magic pilot]

For tanker it's good

[serene hare]

Which talent is good for RPK in Striker build?

[tulip charm]

The usual fast hand or strained

[main quest]

rerolled and got rate of fire, whats the attribute i want?

[shy willow]

Damage to targets out of cover

Always

[rocky rain]

Which one is better; Chatterbox or Ouro’s?

[shy willow]

Ouro by far

But if you can get up close chatter can match it with enough people in range

[rocky rain]

Ok, thanks! Got them both yesterday 💥

[shy willow]

Chatter is a fun pick but Ouro is just ridiculously good, id pick that

[slate nest]

"smg in disguise"
bruh 💀

[shy willow]

Chameleon is literally an SMG in disguise

[rustic whale]

I play ouro with 75 mag

Its insane try it

[minor cipher]

Lets discuss about some good builds for legendary.
I mean blue,red cores.
We can do it in dm if u wanna.
👉🏻👈🏻 Wanna do smthn. But no ideas. Maybe someone who runs only legendaries can advice smthn.

[wanton hornet]

Is it worth using Contractor's or Fox's if you aren't running either LMG or Rifle? Compared to say fenris/badger.
Caveat: lvl 30 dps build if that counts although info for 40 would be welcome too.

[patent fossil]

For a high end crit build, people often use foxes/contractors because it's possible to hit crit chance cap from minor stats and brand bonuses and still have chd on every piece, and the dta/dtooc on those items is more valuable (we don't have a lot of sources of those damage types, so they act as multipliers in the damage calculations, while AR damage from Fenris eg is additive with all the weapon damage from red cores etc

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure the 30 foxes and contractor's are 5% instead of 8%

[wanton hornet]

ty for the detailed description.
Not at home to check now, but the 5% sounds correct.

[tulip charm]

Just run striker st elmo

[minor cipher]

nah.... classic. better this yellow striker with capacitor.

[shy willow]

You said good builds

All yellow is not gonna cut it in a reasonable time

[tawdry flare]

If you want classic there is only few options you have

[onyx sage]

all red

[timid plume]

Is there a specific setup that’s the strongest way to run the striker and Elmo build

[shy willow]

strikers is the setup

the rest is your choice

generally you run coyotes and a ceska chest with obliterate

grupo if others are running coyote

I hear foxes is good too

[vestal ibex]

The strongest setup depends on the situation too. If you want general purpose go with what Navel said.

[faint dagger]

Is a striker would be better than fury for an smg build ?

[vestal ibex]

Depends on your usage.

[warm knot]

Personally I prefer HF, especially for solo heroic. Cuz of the armor regen and higher damage.

[faint dagger]

All red or mix of blue and red ?

[warm knot]

2 blue 5 red and 1 yellow

All red if you don't use shield.

[faint dagger]

Gotcha thanks

I was running memento backpack so that compensate for yellow

[warm knot]

I run ninjabike

[faint dagger]

With that build ?

4 hf, ninja bike and what’s your last brand ?

[faint dagger]

Thanks so much

Dark winter I assume

[warm knot]

yes, but you could use the banshee too

[faint dagger]

I got the dw but I like lady death

[wild lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087141443275075714/1229834401219739728/Jkd1kKH.png?ex=66311f8a&is=661eaa8a&hm=c2f5e947d69b4bb4a88c6d93435560aa4dfd1a2fcafdbe14fd42f7d9239e4d18& Hey,
any ideas how to get more armor on this? the chest and mask stays

[warm knot]

I also like the Strained ump 45, but its just personal preference... I dont like using the same weapons all the time

[cyan drift]

rare campus vendor W

my favorite gun in this game even if it's not insane in a damage output sense

[shrewd scarab]

i have 4 peices of striker build but im squichie

what 2 peices should i put

[magic pilot]

What's the 3rd attribute

[cyan drift]

mag size

[magic pilot]

Trash

[cyan drift]

just reroll it

it's not like there's a better talent for SVD

[magic pilot]

Lucky shot is a terrible talent for an svd lol

[fresh grove]

Determined is probably better

[versed summit]

When do you even want to run an SVD?

[hazy steeple]

When you forget that MMR's are not crit based, but Headshot based.

[versed summit]

lol

[magic pilot]

I don't use it

[magic pilot]

Lucky shot just gives you ammo back when you miss and in cover, increases mag size by like 2 bullets too

You are thinking of boomerang

[hazy steeple]

Sure, but either way it's a bad talent on an MMR.

[fresh grove]

Ic

[grim plank]

guys is the eagle barrier good for pve?

[hazy steeple]

Eagle Bearer isn't half bad, but there's better choices if you want to hug some meta.

[grim plank]

yea i use st engine now, but i saw a clip on youtube saying eb is really good but it lost the clip

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry too much about div2 on youtube, a lot of the creators on there are pretty click-baity.

[cyan drift]

not really, fire-spam over cover

works well enough

[magic pilot]

Exactly🤣

[magic pilot]

Or hear me out, we just don't miss so much lol

[cyan drift]

🤣

ahhh good joke

It's not like I could throw a keyboard into a snake pit with a determined hotshot build, and they'd still do well, or anything. Also it works great since you don't get shot at all vs literally anything.

[tawdry raven]

Better than elmo

[grim plank]

any build advice for regulus headshot build?

[grim plank]

so youre saying EB is better? i use crit striker build atm

[tawdry raven]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

not for all situations

if you bring both into legendary you'll see why people prefer elmo more

[grim plank]

what makes the eb so good? st elmo only has shock bullets

[onyx sage]

st elmo doesn't just have shock bullets. the mods have busted stats

eb mods also are good but not as good. it's more reliant on the talent

you can throw away the elmo talent and it would still be good

[grim plank]

i have wep dmg, healt on kill, headshot dmg on my EB and on my st enigne has wep dmg, healt damage, dmg to out of cover

[urban latch]

There's a guide in the pinned Google doc for both high end and HF versions

[onyx sage]

you can reroll the eb to dttooc

[atomic nest]

I use Elmo for pve

It's really good, just don't have a build for it. Anyone got ideas?

[urban latch]

The EBs base stats after they recently got buffed are just really good, making it one of the top options. It's talent varies between giving you more survivability and killing you, so it's not real straightforward how you judge it.

[onyx sage]

...striker

it's listed in the pinned sheet here

[atomic nest]

I've heard about that. And I'm currently making one,

[onyx sage]

yeah striker is the default build you put it in

and EB handling imo is the main reason why it's just not as great. at close range it's a top performer but in pve it's not going to hold

[flint wave]

If eb had similar accuracy to elmo I might agree
But it doesn't

[grim plank]

wow the EB is melting it does more then my st elmo but i have -20% chc si have to change mods xD. but my build is not finished

[flint wave]

going for headshots to power up its talent at 15m or higher is a mistake

forcing you to close the distance

[tawdry raven]

Kinda feel like recoil controls just something u gotta know to use the meta guns

Cuz famas got recoil

[flint wave]

But famas is accurate atleast

[tawdry raven]

Honestly find the famas harder to control than eb

[hazy steeple]

Well the Famas does fire 100 rounds/minute faster than EB.

[onyx sage]

eb has accuracy issues that the famas does not have

you can mitigate stability issues but you can't mitigate accuracy issues

[hazy steeple]

Weapon Handling fixes both issues.

unless you mean accuracy as a general concept and not as the measured stat it is ingame.

[onyx sage]

i mean as in at base, the famas performs better, so you would rather use it, as using weapon handling means you have to sacrifice damage stats

but we were comparing eb to elmo originally, and elmo still is more accurate anyway

[hazy steeple]

Exotics and their locks mods/talent means that they need to bring something special to the table and I suppose it does, but would it really beat a good high-end with actual mod slots and strained/fast hands?

[onyx sage]

most of the time not, famas is still by far the best

it's just whether you want comfort or some other tangible difference you would like from something like elmo

[hazy steeple]

The big thing with Elmo is just the stupidly high mod stats, frankly.

I'm shocked it's remained unnerfed for as long as it has, but then again Scorpio is still a thing so

[tawdry raven]

Well the only ppl who wanted Elmo nerfed was pvp players and it got nerfed in pvp

[hazy steeple]

PvE hermit here, I still want it tweaked.

[tawdry raven]

Think the devs wanted a new player friendly weapon

Lotta noobies can't get a lot of chc

Also explains why it's talent just stuns enemies that players would otherwise struggle to kill

[hazy steeple]

I've got less problems with it being overly modded than I have with it being strong on top of that.
If it was just for newer players, that'd be fine. But it's clearly built for Heroic+

I mean the Talent is basically worthless.

[wise swallow]

the ability to face tank on a build that shouldnt be able to face tank

if your an aggressive and slightly stupid player EB is amazing

[patent fossil]

yeah I've been playing with EB the last few weeks and 80% damage reduction (much of the time) is a pretty insane buff given you aren't really losing much firepower to get it

plus it backfires hilariously badly when you screw up

[hearty forge]

Decided to finally get around to leveling other specs. Currently on survivalist and I'm wondering how use it. I'm a hard yellow line player

[gentle lichen]

Technically you can screw up every 30 secs because osp will prevent insta death

[silent storm]

Is there a way to farm Pulse Resist mods?

[versed summit]

Same way as normal mods. Targeted loot

[silent storm]

The fact that I am in the Whitehouse and I have to wait for my chem launcher to fill to max before I can switch it is kinda infuriating when going through my loadouts

[silent storm]

Just need to git gud I guess

[versed summit]

Yeah kind of a pain

[silent storm]

and the worst part is, it will never regen because I have that stupid directive on lol

lol had to remove it from global ><

As I sit here for 5 minutes like a dingus

[serene hare]

WHAT?/

[solar sable]

grats!

[onyx sage]

congrats

[serene hare]

Funny how I randomly got 1 in CD too, now another one, wtf is this

The CD one you kinda feel like it might come anytime, but this one got me off guard.

[magic pilot]

It has great mods but low dps so it doesn't really mean much, skilled players really only use it for the super easy handling and large dmg per mag, burst and sustained is one of the lowest in class

[cyan drift]

That's an incredibly low % chance to happen, congrats

[rich lotus]

Is the oroborus really worth using?

[mighty flame]

i mean

fast ttk and rpm?

[rich lotus]

Yeah but it's all over the place.

[mighty flame]

depends on difficulty

[hexed steppe]

use an eclipse fire build. itll be great cc for your team, if unlocked youll also be giving your team damage to status affected npc. survivalist fire nade also procs sledge hammer talent easily for another team buff against npc armor and armor plates

[rich lotus]

It looks like I'm playing darts when I am using it. Hitting everything but bullseye lol

[mighty flame]

eh its a little jiffy mid to far

[rich lotus]

So unless you're using a good shield, st elmos is better. I actually get a little more damage with elmos anyway

[mighty flame]

was just about to mention that too

[rich lotus]

Too bad I couldnt get st elmos to be a little more laser pointer than it is.

[silent storm]

what gun is that in english?

[mighty flame]

St elmos engine

[silent storm]

ahh nice

[serene hare]

Elmo

[silent storm]

I don't have one of those yet

are they world drop?

[serene hare]

Suddenly I have two.

[serene hare]

Yes.

I got one of mine from a case.

Dammit, I'll roll the other one.

[silent storm]

Dano Critico is CHD correct?

[serene hare]

Yes

Meh, it's good, but could be better.

Dttooc.

[silent storm]

Yeah I figured

WHat is CHC in spanish?

[serene hare]

Idk, I don't speak spanish.

[silent storm]

What language is that then?

[serene hare]

Brazilian portuguese.

[silent storm]

Oh

What is CHC in Brazilian Portuguese?

[serene hare]

Funny enough, it's the same word, "chance", but spoken differently.

Chance crítica / critical chance

[silent storm]

That's easy

[serene hare]

If we use the correct TD2 term, "critical hit chance" would be "chance de acerto crítico"

[silent storm]

Yeah I have been seeing a lot of gear and guns in SS in Brazilian Portuguese recenlty when looking up the game because I haven't played in a few years

I guess it's big down there huih

[serene hare]

This is a nice placeholder for Coyote's Mask.

Well, new objective.

[silent storm]

This was my placeholder as I had 2 other pieces and foxes knees

My pre coyote build

[serene hare]

Remaded it, I have a PD with Obliterate.

[silent storm]

I don't know why Surge is there because I used Baker's Dozen, I might have just been leveling it up

I love the Trauma and Wicked combo though because while not as much DMG it offers CC

[serene hare]

It feels like the one Elmo I have with max crit damage deals more damage than 8% dttooc.

[warm knot]

Grupo would hit harder.

[serene hare]

Who's Grupo?

[mighty flame]

brand set

[warm knot]

Especially if someone's already running coyotes

[serene hare]

I don't have good Grupo chest and mask, unfortunately.

I mean, my Grupo chest have Unbreakable instead of Obliterate.

[silent storm]

Try Trauma and Wicked

I recommend it and am looking for perfect trauma and perfect wicked that fit the build

That CC is really nice for missions

It's why I loved Pyromaniac for so long. Being able to blind, bleed and burn enemies is nice

[serene hare]

I think I might have done something good instead.

I'll show to you guys after this fucking Delta-03

[silent storm]

How can I upgrade my skills build?

[serene hare]

You know what?
Nothing I try might potentially compete with Coyote's mask

I'll just try getting it.

[onyx sage]

coyote gives more crit than any high end brand

[serene hare]

Those stats are very good, so is the set itself, but somehow it feels like it should be dealing more damage.

Maybe it's because THAT Elmo isn't that good.

[onyx sage]

you really want coyote + ceska so you can squeeze in more crit damage

[onyx sage]

but if it's hitting north of 1.2-1.3m to the head it's decent

[serene hare]

Or maybe it's because I'm using Unbreakable instead of Obliterate

[onyx sage]

that too, yes

[serene hare]

Idk, something is off.

[onyx sage]

obliterate is 25% more

you know what the standard setup already looks like so i won't comment more

[serene hare]

Ok, with Obliterate doesn't matter if I use Grupo knee with crit damage Elmo or Fox knee with Dttooc Elmo

the damage output is the same.

Killing named heroic enemies around 30 rounds.

I'll keep crit damage, then, until I get Coyote's.

Yeah, this is good.

Only those Health points on my Ceska chest that does nothing for the build, but fine.

It's literally a 9/10 rate build considering all the stats and the damage output.

[magic pilot]

Pretty good setup

Stop upgrading armor on your gear it's a waste at your current lvl

[serene hare]

Don't worry, I already hit the sweet spot of this build, it can't get better than this, unless if I have Coyote's.

[magic pilot]

I'm talking about the expertise on the striker stuff

[serene hare]

Wait a moment, if I get to lvl 10, when I upgrade it, it will automatically upgrade my gear to 10?

(If I level the gear up)

I thought you level it up level by level, like 1, 2, 3... 10

[silent storm]

QOL upgrade, when you hit 'G' in your mods menu to single out a stat it should add your stashed mods to the list

I swear mods are the reason my invo space is borked

And it's better in TD2 over TD what with having a lot of gear in TD just to hold mods, but I still find myself gear stashing mods in TD2 because of an unintuitive mod inventory

Like I feel like lesser mods should just be auto deleted and turned into print if you already have a skill mod that is higher stat

Or just get rid of skill mods altogether and put it on the tinkering bench

Like how do you simplify something while at the same time confound it?

[warm knot]

You level up THAT one piece. If you find a better one you'll have to spend more resources again.

[silent storm]

We had this convo the other day because I didn't understand it as well. You need to level up all gear of that type to level up the piece you want to level up

Again a simple thing that is confounded in implementation

I have been using my Bullet King for days and days trying to level it up, but what I needed to be doing was leveling up other LMGs so that I can level my Bullet King

Same with my Pyromaniac and Baker's Dozen. Massive really want's you to use other gear to level the gear you want to level up

And I can't remember what control point it was but back a few years ago there was a control point that we farmed the hell out of for EXP and items. Complete control point and yout joined a new server, then they added resetting the map so then you just completed control point and then reset the map

Like 24/7 this one control point that was fast and easy

I don't remember what one it was though

[magic pilot]

I did navy plaza for all my control point blueprints, you need to do 181 to get them all

[silent storm]

That sounds familiar was it on a cross street with lots of cover leading up to it?>

[magic pilot]

It's in the zone east of Whitehouse, only one in that area

True sons

[silent storm]

no it wasn't Navy Plaza

I just went there and looked and it didn't seem familiar

[limpid pelican]

anyone know how much better drop rates are in invaded DZ compared to unoccupied?

[silent storm]

Found it, The Cinderblock

Safe house is just around the corner

That was the farm

[serene hare]

I don't get it

I must level my proficiency to 10, and then when I level a gear up, it will be auto lvl 10 or will upgrade from 1 to 10?

[magic pilot]

Drop rates for what?

[faint dagger]

Anyone got a decent PvP build ?

[magic pilot]

Use sheild splinterer

[serene hare]

Dammit, killed Coyote 2x on legendary and 2 times on heroic already, no lucky today

For this, at least.

[magic pilot]

You can't even run that mission on legendary?

[serene hare]

What you mean? I literally said I did that mission twice on legendary

[surreal depot]

Bros playing division 3

[serene hare]

Oh no

[magic pilot]

Buddy the difficultly doesn't go to legendary lmao

[fickle light]

heroic is the highest that mission has

[serene hare]

Oh, wait, true, it's Heroic and Challenge

[magic pilot]

Also even if it was legendary it wouldn't have coyote as a final boss, everything legendary is white tusk faction

[fickle light]

there ya go

[serene hare]

sometimes I'm stupid enough to exchange "challenge" and "legendary"

[fickle light]

are you going for coyote's mask?

[serene hare]

Yes.

[magic pilot]

Countdown, target masks and buy exotic caches

I'm willing to play countdown rn

[fickle light]

just target farm masks in countdown, coyote is 1 single chance at the end of the mission, masks is a smaller chance on every enemy

[serene hare]

I know about getting it on CD, but I did a plenty already, getting kinda annoyed

I wanted to do the original mission and try my luck

Looks like I have no choice, tho.

[fickle light]

"i'm mad bc i didnt get it the easy way so i will go do the way that is statistically less likely to give me it"

[magic pilot]

Enemy density is much higher on CD so even thought the drop rate is lower it's still easier to get it

[silent storm]

Once you get a gear to 10 all of those gears are level 10. Then you level it to level 1, but to level that +1 gear to level +2 you need to level another piece of gear of the same category to 10+1

[serene hare]

Write again, but slowly

[silent storm]

To upgrade a chest to +2 you need two chest pieces that are level 10 +1

And so on

So you need to use all gear pieces to atleast 10+1 to get to +25 on your gear

So start grinding levels

[serene hare]

So yeah, it isn't like the crafting table that the weapons are the level of the table

I have to level the proficiency from 1 to 10.

[silent storm]

yes

Seems to me like it is a hell of a grind

Do watch levels transfer between characters?

[main quest]

is the lady death good for DZ?

[wise swallow]

yes

[magic pilot]

yes

[serene hare]

Does technician have any advantage?

[surreal depot]

You are more techy

[magic pilot]

skill tier, skill dmg or healing, dmg to skills (includes warhounds) and the LLP

[serene hare]

Having more skill tier is good for weapons like Capacitor, right?

[magic pilot]

yep and helps shield

[serene hare]

Yeah, I can see it.

I'm absolutely not sure when I might level up that specialization tho.

Maybe next year, who knows.

[surreal depot]

Llp?

[magic pilot]

linked laser pointer

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon doesn't need it ofc

[patent fossil]

Not if you've pushed too much and ended up surrounded by enemies with no safe cover to hand.

[timid plume]

What's the best sniper/marksmen rifle to run for a hotshot build

[patent fossil]

Lots of functional choices at the moment, model 700 is highest damage (other than nemesis) but quite poor handling and reload. SR-1 is my current favourite with next best damage but better handling and reload. M700 Carbon is also popular for decent damage and good mod slots. Mantis is not a bad choice either, although you obviously lose out on determined.

[limpid pelican]

named items, when farming specific brands/categories. matador etc etc

[lethal trellis]

@limpid pelican matador is DZ exclusive which only could find from DZ, named cache, manhunt boss and reconstructed cache (including blueprint), invaded mission is a light zone and drop rate similar to elsewhere

[limpid pelican]

yeah i was asking if anyone knows the numbers comparing invaded with uninvaded drop rates

[onyx sage]

he knows that, he's just asking if invaded has higher drop rates

i'll say i don't think anyone has ever mentioned invaded differing from non-invaded, so it may not be a thing but don't hold me onto it

[limpid pelican]

not too sure myself either. a lot of the people i run with always keep bringing up how impractical farming a matador in uninvaded is compared to invaded. so that's why i was like hmm i wonder just how much more efficient that is

classic

[vestal ibex]

Different kinda build than I was expecting this morning.

[cyan drift]

firing over cover memes

feel like rolling weapon handling onto anything possible is better than braced, then taking either glass cannon or something else

probably obliterate just because overwatch takes forever to work

[cyan drift]

I saw a 😬 and knew it was Raucey lmaoooo

the only person who doesn't use

[fresh grove]

I mean you could use the vedmedstyna chest or however it’s spelled

[cyan drift]

I was but it was LMG damage, vs headshot damage

could go get a habsberg but it'd be a nightmare to farm for

[hazy steeple]

3 Countdown runs is my bet.

[fresh grove]

It probably would

[hazy steeple]

7 if ya feeling unlucky.

[cyan drift]

it took me 68 for someone else to get a pair of repair skills/HSD brazos kneepads so

I don't try guessing anymore 🤣

[hazy steeple]

You should've farmed for them instead, much easier.
🥁

[cyan drift]

to this day I've never gotten one, through any means

[hazy steeple]

I do wonder sometimes how many godrolls I've mindlessly deleted now that all my builds that I care about are "done".

"loot as junk" > "hold tab" > "hey clean inventory!"

[cyan drift]

I've deleted god roll white deaths before, because I already had too many of them, which still hurts

[hazy steeple]

I mean, luckily it's not exactly the most meta MMR anymore.

The one godroll I still want is an Adrestia, because I want to see how someone reacts to that in Legendary.

[cyan drift]

I dunno if I'll ever use a sniper build again outside of ToTS for the memes (and helping people with hunters)

[wild lily]

you dont straight out dismantle all

[hazy steeple]

You'll get there eventually.

[cyan drift]

my brain wanders too much to expertise farm in countdown

I'll get dropped a full yellow palside and stare at it for a while

[fresh grove]

Or 10 if rng decides to mess with him

[cyan drift]

my whale character was supposed to have 10 items on it at most, and it has like 60

[tawdry flare]

Usually invaded drop more loot cause of more bosses

[wild lily]

I ment to have a question mark on that 🤣 I rarely pick anything up just straight to dismantle on the floor

[hazy steeple]

My keyboard is older than some members of this Server, so it's easier if I just grab it all.

[tawdry flare]

Using it since 2005/11 ?

[hazy steeple]

2010, was more of a joke about ages on Discord.

[fresh grove]

I was probably 7 iirc, I felt old saying that

[hazy steeple]

Well I feel much older than I did 5 minutes ago so I'm going to go make a cup of tea now.

[fresh grove]

True

[acoustic coral]

If you notice, the Descent Rotation / Fast Hands guy made a 5.11 joke again

[cyan drift]

If you tell discord support that you're 14 or less, they'll just smack your account immediately without even thinking twice about it

[acoustic coral]

Depends, by default the minimum age is 13 unless otherwise specified in local legislation.
But also, yes, pretty stupid telling discord support that you're breaking ToS

My brother did that with Twitch, wrote his age in the about me (I think it was) as being 12, got bonked.

[tulip charm]

Thats how you troll people

Just tell them they're 12 and twitch will auto ban you

[wild lily]

But you can dismantle all by holding Z, i suppose its not that old🤣

would be in the 1500 BC

[sage matrix]

For the Ortiz flame turret, is it better to stack status effect or skill damage?

Looking to make a fun ‘everything burns’ build

[rich lotus]

Is there a faster shooting gun than the model 700 that can still one shot everything with the hh determined build?

[hazy steeple]

sr-1 has a mag reload and hits almost as hard.

srs and the m700 carbon/tactical are also excellent.

[rich lotus]

It's more the waiting for it to bolt the next bullet than anything

[hazy steeple]

The price you pay for being able to hit like a truck is a slower fire-rate.

the SVD's and MMR's like that fire a lot faster, but also do bugger-all damage.

[rich lotus]

Yeah like the m1a qcb which would be perfect if it hit harder.

[hazy steeple]

That's actually a Rifle and not a Marksman Rifle, different gun class.
Yes that is confusing.

[urban latch]

1% status effects is 1% skill damage on status skills and 1% status duration. Skill damage is only the damage increase. So if your choosing between the two for a status skill then always status effects

[rich lotus]

Yeah

Might try a SR1

But even if it was just a tiny tiny bit faster would make a large difference lol

[hazy steeple]

Tactical .308 isn't exactly amazing, but does fire a fair chunk faster than the sr1, and almost double that of the m700.

I can't speak on how hard it hits though.

[rich lotus]

Too bad there wasn't a guide on calculating. Like I do almost 33 mil per shot with determined.

But my gun to get that high does like 1.4 mil damage

[hazy steeple]

There is a little document made by our very own iKia where he lists all the guns in various orders.
Somewhat controversial, but you won't find many lists that aren't.

[rich lotus]

Yeah

[hazy steeple]

Here give it a go

ah i hate those links.

[rich lotus]

lol

Also trying to find a guide on getting rid of some of this drasted fog in the game.

I know you can't turn it off, but down or something.

[hazy steeple]

Like the weather? It's random yeah.
Try various graphical settings, although a lot of it you won't be able to remove.

I've got everything cranked up to max and it's not that bad, so might be worth a shot. Although I am on 1080p so ymmv.

[rich lotus]

Yeah mine is 1440p

[urban latch]

Your display text goes in the [ ], link in the ()

[rich lotus]

And it's cranked up but sometimes the fog is just bad

[hazy steeple]

I did actually know that, but I've been awake for way too long so my brain reversed it.
cheers Rauce'

[urban latch]

I think you've also got a space in there between them which wouldn't work

[hazy steeple]

I actually tried both ways but discord keeps bringing the activity bar back which isn't helping my sense of time either.

[rich lotus]

lol

[hazy steeple]

"i want to see what random people started doing a while ago" said no one on Discord ever.

Okay link is fixed, it's worth a look through, you can really see the difference between the guns there.

[acoustic coral]

@onyx sage When are we getting this sheet, but calculated for Headhunter? (With one of the standard setups) 😎

[onyx sage]

we already have one

@ancient dune boss

[acoustic coral]

oi?!

[ancient dune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k2ED0uWZODGlxaMP1rMKpgxRbHyfWQBelTVEKGfJzM0/edit?usp=sharing

Oh if you meant for each individual weapon I probably did one but I'd need to dig it up from my drive

[serene hare]

Seriously tho, there's a lore reason why Elmo's mods are so damn overtuned?

I mean, "overtuned", that shit is straight up busted af.

[ancient dune]

It was designed by the new team which seems to have a different design philosophy for exotics compared to before

It's also not really that busted, the damage is just average all it gets on top is a shock effect

[rich cosmos]

The mods on it are busted, but the gun itself is just average because it has no damage talent and other guns are able to outclass it

[serene hare]

Still, it's fire rate is fast enough to make it's talent to be super useful.

Just because damage is not high, doesn't mean it's not good, there's nothing average on Elmo.

[shy willow]

It's not broken by any means it's just good

Ouro is broken

[serene hare]

Both are, but Ouro is more.

[shy willow]

Nah Elmo DPS isn't that good FAMAS still outclasses it

[serene hare]

More damage =/= better

[ancient dune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OZzz05qFwocQkK3Uord9Brf08d6R5LF08yogEzFwpcw/edit?usp=sharing quick one I threw together just now using chainkiller 2 habs 3 hotshot

[serene hare]

But ok, maybe I'm kinda overrating it because even I made it work very easily.

[rich cosmos]

Elmos is good when the talent is active

[serene hare]

And simply outperforms everything I tried.

[shy willow]

On a dps build having more dps=better

[serene hare]

If you have good enough DPS and a Crowd control talent that's very easy to activate, well...

[shy willow]

Deal breaker is free CC

[rich lotus]

hey guys I'm a solo pve player just asking is St Elmo's still obtainable?

[onyx sage]

yes

[solar sable]

always

[rich lotus]

oh alright, and how do I obtain it? I haven't played this game since season 4 I guess

or since 2022

[serene hare]

Got mine

[tulip charm]

Farm exotic caches and target loot ARs

[serene hare]

I only wish sidearms were good by their own in case of "I wanna use it".

Speaking on which, there's any sidearms that are good?

[tulip charm]

Regulus and Blb

[serene hare]

I'm using Elmo

[tulip charm]

Orbit

[serene hare]

of course Regulus is good.

[rich lotus]

So grind it is huh?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[serene hare]

Orbit is a interesting case, I never drop one in all those years.

[rich lotus]

alright then thanks mate

[serene hare]

What Orbit does, again?

I only got Prophet.

[tulip charm]

Prefect Finisher

[serene hare]

Considering it's damage...

Hmm, I can see why it might be good.

[tulip charm]

Mainly for the chd

[serene hare]

I got that trash exotic SMG that deals self damage

Backshot? Backfire? What is the name?

[tulip charm]

Backfire? Xd

It would be a good gun if it decay instead of losing all of your stacks

And if you have a healer

[rich cosmos]

Its only bad because of the time limit yea

[serene hare]

Survivalist or Gunner, which specialization is better for Elmo/Striker build?

I feel like Gunner is better.

[versed summit]

Typically Gunner is better for DPS builds

[serene hare]

Set.

[tulip charm]

Gunner or Firewall

[serene hare]

Oh, Firewall is actually very good for this.

[strange heath]

gunner is definitely good for dps

though I have a high dps, running technician at the moment, making use of the Link laser pointer, and spotter/flatline

[serene hare]

Someone for legendary Capitol ?

[main quest]

does the memento still drop as a regular exotic? everything i see says you could only get it in a season pass

[tulip charm]

Any season pass exotic gets into the general loot pool at the start of the new season so yeah you’re just unlucky

[main quest]

okay thats good to hear thanks

[onyx sage]

you still looking?

[serene hare]

I finished it right now.

Odd how I killed 50% more than the person who did more damage.

Killed 75 dealing 1000 mil damage

and the one who deal 1400 mil damage killed 50

Used my sniper build.

[tulip charm]

binocular carry me!

[onyx sage]

you want in? what's your ign again

[serene hare]

Well, you guys can call me, if you please.
Not like I'm doing something important.

[tulip charm]

same as discord just add -

[onyx sage]

says you're unavailable

[tulip charm]

yeah let me log in

[tulip charm]

Come its gonna be super fast

[onyx sage]

nah we only have room for 1 more

[tulip charm]

ah

[onyx sage]

i'm just carrying dudes rn

tell me when you're in

[serene hare]

Inv me

[tulip charm]

ready

[tulip charm]

I'll do one next after this run

one more time

[onyx sage]

invited btw

[serene hare]

I didn't received the invite.

[onyx sage]

let us rerun then we'll invite you

[serene hare]

Rerun the capitol?

[onyx sage]

ye

[serene hare]

Why?

[onyx sage]

we're full rn

[serene hare]

Ok, but if you're already doing, why will you inv me later? I did mine already.

[onyx sage]

idk, if you want to run for fun

[tulip charm]

I just want to get the reward on a different alt

[tulip charm]

How often do people run pulse res builds?

Cuz I wanna use the second one

[limpid pelican]

thats honestly a hard question to answer. it just depends

it's not an easy build to throw together so some might have it or some might not. most will just counter u with the same build

[tulip charm]

Ok Imma just assume the none tryhards dont have anti pulse builds

[limpid pelican]

yeah ur conflict players 100% will but u also lose so much dmg trying to go pulse res

[tulip charm]

Fair.

[wise swallow]

not using everyday carier is a massive L

[limpid pelican]

i usually play in groups and my teammate

teammate runs it with team kits

i get ur point tho

[tulip charm]

Oh right oreo striker doesnt need chc pieces to hit 50-60% chc right?

[limpid pelican]

i think u need 2 mods to hit 59

[wise swallow]

still saves your own kits

[limpid pelican]

ur not wrong but intimidate amps ur damage so much its hard to walk away from

[tulip charm]

Oh so wouldn't it be sligthly better to run ceska or 10% wd is better than 24% chd due to pvp modifiers?

[limpid pelican]

i have no idea which would be more ideal

im assuming sokolov because weapon damage

[wise swallow]

it would be ceska

but the difference is 🤏

[limpid pelican]

yeah ive yet to see a single person use ceska im surprised then

[wise swallow]

kinda depends on what external buffs your getting

if you have a mid range coyote soko > ceska

[limpid pelican]

thats good to know though ill have to swap that out

[wise swallow]

Ouro gets to like 53 iirc so its a tiny difference

[limpid pelican]

with sokolov its 12% chc to get to 59

[tulip charm]

Yeah thats why I asked since Im currently farming for a unbreakable ceska pieces to run it in multiple pvp builds

[wise swallow]

+24%CHD -10%WD with ceska
+10%WD - 24%CHD with soko

differnce in reality is tiny but ceska is more universal so id priortize it

[limpid pelican]

at 63 chc 160 chd with ceska and coyotes

curious to see the # diff in whites

[wise swallow]

63?

[limpid pelican]

yeah no chc mods or rerolled

[wise swallow]

My math sucks oops

Its 7% not 10

[limpid pelican]

just realized my chd isnt maxed on the holster i swapped out

so itd be 163% chd

[tulip charm]

oh so I could run that in conflict since it would be 53 chc

[wise swallow]

The overall dps difference is not even a bullet

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise swallow]

Conflict ceska is a requirement

It’s infinitely better

[tulip charm]

yeah I want to try pushing conflict before dlc or any major gear meta changes happens

[limpid pelican]

i owe both of u an apology lmao so its 53%

only 1 mod for 59%

with sokolov

thats why ceska is 3% over

[wise swallow]

Yea

[wise swallow]

You got about 4 years

Dw

[tulip charm]

xd

[serene hare]

Should I parade around cosplaying Krauser?

[tulip charm]

Hey man all the power to you if you want to do it

[serene hare]

If only there was a Leon to witness it.

[onyx sage]

finally, full red palisade

[tulip charm]

ok lucksack

[serene hare]

I made a similar build for my SMG

[limpid pelican]

624,400 crit 216,806 white with ceska obliterate coyotes 4 blues
629,071 crit 227,294 white with sokolov

pve damage

[tulip charm]

try pvp

[serene hare]

(Gets killed in 1 second by a brazilian cheater)

[limpid pelican]

now that is effort trying to get someone to come test with me rn

[tulip charm]

I'll join if it just damage testing

[limpid pelican]

im on console atm

dont main pc

[serene hare]

Good.

[tulip charm]

oh

[limpid pelican]

im removing pc role just to clarify

[tulip charm]

Good thats why I said ill join

[limpid pelican]

i played pc for a bit but meh

NA pc is a ghost town in dz

and theres not really a community to it just server fighting randoms

[surreal depot]

Are u still running gunner

[onyx sage]

ye

[tulip charm]

So yay or nay

[limpid pelican]

imo way too many blues for spotter

id you go that route, you'd be better off going 3p lengmo

unbreakable and RPK