td2-build-advice

[pseudo lantern]

If anyone wants a fun Combustor chest build let me know cause I use that with Rigger, Waveform, Bluescreen, Flame Turret and the Shrapnel Trap….total blast (pun intended)

Also make sure you are using the Technician specialization bump that skill tier from 5 to 6

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like it would do a great job ticking off your teamates with constant shaking while simultaneously doing sub par damage

Hopfully you add cap to that to make up some of the loss 💯

[sudden fog]

hmmm

intimidate better

[pseudo lantern]

I mean when my skills are killing enemies before I even fire a shot can that really be called sub par dmg?

Its essentially a crowd control monster…..teammates can just sit back and enjoy the fireworks

[shy willow]

Not on heroic they're not

[pseudo lantern]

Meh dont play on heroic

[shy willow]

Restricting yourself to lower difficulties aint it you gotta evolve your builds to move up

[pseudo lantern]

Not when I just wanna have fun with the game with my friends and help them grind

Besides I keep better loadouts for higher difficulties like my tank and healer builds

Most of the time I make builds to mess around with

Besides a build is only as good as the person and their playstyle that suit it

[shy willow]

Letting you know tanks aren't as good as you might think they are

In normal content CC is generally preferred over healer as well

[pseudo lantern]

This may be true but I like to think outside the normal box 😝 I make builds that others usually write off and sometimes I will admit they are right but thats why we tinker and tweek our builds right? To make them better

But again a person’s playstyle can also improve a build’s effectiveness. Take for example my Combustor Crowd Control build that I have here may not seem impressive to some cause of how they use it. If its used in the right way it can prove to be a nightmare for enemies because you can effectively trap them between flames or explosive proximity traps…either one gives them a status effect and Bluescreen adds additional status effects when someone dies that has been marked

As long as you have others marked too that is

[urban latch]

I mean... The build your describing is just straight up bad, there's not really a way around that. You can run whatever you want, but when you start giving out bad advice, you can expect people to push back on the claims your making

[restive sundial]

I'm using this build in PVE on heroic with 3 dirrectives https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAwWCM1E2U1yBcAWAbKh+4BmNRSFc9OSSYyBTTE8p9cYmMpri4ATjHaxmw7uj4DS3KRmDZcjOFXgh+cXjDX5enFMChjCMRtgS5gNGNn7M9lEPIkjmcdPtULcIgKzpC-AOz+YCBewQjMXkA
in countdown I'm using it with 2 red cores (1.5 mil armor)

I also have SMG version with Ouroboros and Sokolov chest (AR is Shield Splinterer and I hate it, too unstable for me compared to Police M4 type of guns), but I'm using it in summit only because closed range shooting is not for me in the open world

is there something I can improve? thanks

[shy willow]

Ditch dark winter and use an acs

[restive sundial]

I was usuing Rock n Roll in all red incursion build with Coyote's Mask, all I remember is I hate to proc striker, that's why I'm not using it's chect or backpack anymore
so shotgun would be better than dark winter?

[onyx sage]

if you're not using either chest or backpack for striker in incursion then you can swap to healer lol. striker and chest are key to its damage

the acs shotguns including rock and roll are how you stack striker the easiest

[restive sundial]

as I remember in incursion I was using Coyote's Mask, Ceska holster and others is striker, all crits + 12*3 protection from elites
but it's too much in open world PVE

[onyx sage]

that's fine, but you should be using backpack at the least

like if you run all red striker there's no reason to not run backpack

[restive sundial]

I'm using Memento because of 6 blue cores, that way I can pick up a lot of bonus armor
if I switch to striker then that 6 blue cores are nothing

[onyx sage]

who are you killing at lovebirds

also earlier you said all red

[restive sundial]

I was talking about this for PVE https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAwWCM1E2U1yBcAWAbKh+4BmNRSFc9OSSYyBTTE8p9cYmMpri4ATjHaxmw7uj4DS3KRmDZcjOFXgh+cXjDX5enFMChjCMRtgS5gNGNn7M9lEPIkjmcdPtULcIgKzpC-AOz+YCBewQjMXkA

[onyx sage]

yeah no i'm talking about this

"all red incursion build"

[restive sundial]

well I've got ouroboros there and I'm not going to get back to that hell with random people, so for now I'm interested in improving something for PVE

[onyx sage]

but to your original question, yes acs is still better than dark winter for stacking AND damage

[restive sundial]

got it, thanks

[onyx sage]

the only problem is just like dark winter, acs chews through ammo real quick

i just wanted to comment on all red striker builds, pretty much all of them run the backpack

the backpack doesn't incur any penalty

[restive sundial]

yeah and Rock n' Roll bug with 20 rounds is not helping either

[onyx sage]

use acs-12 with fast hands for now

until they fix it

[restive sundial]

never tried that talent, thanks

[shy willow]

Either fast hands acs or lefty helps

[onyx sage]

they just buffed it this update, now each pellet that crits will stack it, previously pellets from the same shot only count together as 1 stack

[restive sundial]

about lefty

Dealing damage with a grenade applies a mark on target
I don't like to use grenades, so acs-12 with fast hands for me

[onyx sage]

it has a 5% rate of fire mod

regular acs doesn't have it

[restive sundial]

interesting

[onyx sage]

it's just preference

[shy willow]

Like it or not it's a massive dps increase, very helpful on incursion

General use fast hands probs more practical

[onyx sage]

yeah that 40% is a big amp

it's mostly used on spawns and bosses

[restive sundial]

yeah I know, but I just don't want to concentrate on a fight in PVE as deep as it was in incursion

incursion is still weird to me, if you don't have friends then you should care of a lot of stuff

I was lucky enough to get ouroboros in the 3rd or 4th incursion chest, and I'm not planning to get back
would be nice to get Eagle Bearer too but it's not gonna happen, I can't find people for raids and I don't think I have any raid build and don't know what to use best

anyway, I'm gonna switch dark winter to acs-12 with fast hands, thanks again

[shy willow]

I run randoms through it all the time

[restive sundial]

my runs were on launch and people wasn't aware what to do

[shy willow]

Ah they'll just have you sitting at doors anyway it's fine if you don't know what you're doing

[tawdry flare]

@shy willow tried gate start yesterday

[solar sable]

quality is ass but idc. What should I modify? Idek what I was trying to do here

[tulip charm]

…..

No way you’re not using 4 piece hunter fury…

[solar sable]

As I said idek what I was trying to do

[tulip charm]

Then fix it!

[solar sable]

Tell me how to, please!

[tulip charm]

So you see your mask just change that to a hf mask

[solar sable]

I'm glad I kept it god rolled

[gentle lichen]

And preferably a ceska chest instead of zero f's

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[solar sable]

I'll just put the one I use for strikers

[tulip charm]

You have memento so you don’t really need unbreakable

[gentle lichen]

Talent imo put intimidate. You'll like how it works with memento

[shy willow]

Eww

[solar sable]

can I, instead of ceska, use grupo and just modify it with Intimidate?

[gentle lichen]

Yes but your crits won't as good as ceska

That's why i was recommending ceska since it is the optimal choice

[solar sable]

alr, I'll just get to farming

[pseudo lantern]

Meh dont really much care what other people think anyways 🤷‍♀️

Their loss not mine

Wasnt trying to give out pro advice because I dont take the game that seriously

Just thought it was a fun build I made thats all

[hexed steppe]

I called it subpar damage because of rigger use. Same could be said for the chest not being glass but I understand you're trying to capitalize on the explosive damage from explosive delivery.

You could make it stronger by using highend pieces. Highend backpack would allow you to add another source of total skill damage.
Personally I would use what you have with a mortar build, mortar has a really low cooldown of 10 seconds and you wouldn't need rigger to cancel cooldowns.

For cc itself you could be using a foam/fire eclipse build where the status keeps spreading as you or team keep killing.

I would also scorpio over blue screen for solid status effect and 7th shot that makes npc take 20% amp damage from any source.

Capacitor also would fit because of the 60% skill damage and the 12% damage to armor that would further increase your explosive skills damage

[pseudo lantern]

I definitely would agree with this, I have used it with the mortar turret setup before and actually preferred it over the flame turret so I probably should have just started with that. I do agree with Scorpio as being a good choice but definitely think that Capacitor would be better because of the skill dmg bonus based on skill tier level and with it being at tier 6 you would get the full benefits

Tbh Rigger was kinda optional to begin with because there are high end gear pieces better suited to go with Combustor and Waveform to increase dmg output as well as help with skill cooldown and dmg

[hexed steppe]

I use this for mortar. I found btsu glove to be really useful.
Mortar is 10 second cooldown, but an overcharge instantly kills cooldown.
Stinger hive also has a super low cooldown which can be thrown out again after partial charge, but oc also refreshes hive for stupid fast cooldown.

Combining this build with your chest would give a lot of explosives damage. Can also shock and awe the bag since combined arms can leave you exposed if not careful.

Team also gets the oc so you can reset their revive hives cooldown or boost their skills

[pseudo lantern]

Hmmm thats a good combo idea for sure

Definitely worth a try when things get fixed on the game after this last update

[dull ermine]

Drop badger tuff, run ceska, run hf mask

[west vector]

can someone help me make a build via screensharing on ps

I dont really have much stuff tho

[shy willow]

Just drop what you've got here and we'll take a look

[west vector]

hoe can I show my whole Inventory sprry im kinda new again

[shy willow]

Don't have to show your inventory just drop your current build in here

Or just say what kind of build you wanna go for

[west vector]

just anything thats good rn its kinda bad

[shy willow]

You're on the right track

Work on getting a ceska chest with obliterate

And make sure everything is rolled to crit chance and damage

And replace the gloves with a piece of grupo or rearrange your gear to fit in coyote's or foxes prayer

[west vector]

how do I farm that?

[shy willow]

Then work on getting a good ACS12 and a good FAMAS or Saint elmo

[shy willow]

Countdown ceska target loot

Farm everything you need there

[west vector]

alright I will thank you

how do I roll my weapons for attributes?

and armour aswell

[shy willow]

Extract them from another gear piece and put them onto your desired piece at the tinkering station

Ideally your gear drops with the correct attributes though as you can only recalibrate one slot per item

[west vector]

oh oke i see quite complicated

[warm knot]

Can I switch contractor's tor fox's? I'm trying to assemble the mortar turret from the spreadsheet

I've got a fox's with skill damage

[versed summit]

The reason contractors are used is because DTA applies to the mortar’s damage, DTOOC doesn’t. So you can’t replace it with Fox’s.

[warm knot]

I guess I'll have to go for the budget setup then 🥲

But does dttoc aplies to the chem launcher?

[versed summit]

IIRC dtooc applies to oxi and the demolisher firefly, no other skills

[warm knot]

I'll save it then.

Thanks for the help everyone.

[vestal ibex]

It's a bit dated cause it doesn't have newer skills but you get the idea.

Anyone have a more complete list for this?

[versed summit]

there's the list in the spreadsheet, but what is this one missing?

[blissful rampart]

its missing emp sticky and jammer pulse (vs bots) both both dont get dtooc any who. also missing demo and bomber fly

[vestal ibex]

Spinny boi turret too right? For completionist sake ya know.

[blissful rampart]

the one on the spreadsheet is more complete FYI

^^ only missing emp sticky and jammer pulse (vs bots)

[flint wave]

Emp sticky with DTA🧠

[magic pilot]

Take those warhounds down at the same speed

[vestal ibex]

Yoiked for my reference channel. Where even is this in the spreadsheet?

[hazy steeple]

@vestal ibex Skill Info, then scroll down.

A lot of people miss the latter tabs.

[blissful rampart]

^^

L2R 😛

[onyx sage]

yeah @vestal ibex, aren't you supposed to know everything by now???

[vestal ibex]

Breh I don't know a thing. See the people who claim to know everything are the ones you can't trust.

[onyx sage]

then who will i ever come to talk to for knawledge?

[dull ermine]

So Golan or contractors for ep fire?

Specifically against purples, named and elites..

[blissful rampart]

golan cause gets you 2nd stat as well

[vestal ibex]

Electrique is a much easier one to farm and has the same bonus.

[dull ermine]

I have found all the Golan pieces except chest and backpack funny enough

I got a Golan chest with tag team

[vestal ibex]

Well for fire EP best in slot is the chest. The increase to distance and higher duration is really worth it.

[rich lotus]

Can anyone give me an around solid striker st elmos build I follow a few guys videos in YouTube and in still nowhere near their stats? Although I need to lose a piece of strikers somewhere Cos I have 5 on with coyotes mask. What piece should I drop? Chest ?

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc, there's a strikers guide in there along with a bunch of others.

Generally it would be 1p ceska, coyotes, and 4p strikers with the backpack. Whether or not you use the chest is down to what your doing and preference

[narrow bough]

Any tips how to make it more better? I have full crit hit chance and almost 170 hit damage.

[patent fossil]

the obvious issue would be the lack of a decent backpack talent like vigilance - extra brand bonuses from ninjabag are just not as good in most situations

if you check the pinned spreadsheet there is a high-end DPS build in there which is the best you're likely to get without going in a different direction (like Striker)

[versed summit]

could swap a providence piece out for a Fenris one, Capacitor would also likely be better for this build.

The biggest choice you could do is swap ninjabike out.

[narrow bough]

I like the ninja for giving me extra skill tier. I also like to try out different weapons, than exotics.
I was also thinking about putting chestpiece with a spark talent

[onyx sage]

memento does the same thing but better

[gentle lichen]

If you're trying to go for a hybrid then as dien mentioned go memento

You could swap out reds for skill tiers but that would require you to use capacitor

[versed summit]

Obliterate would be best, Spotter isn't working well here because you can't proc it on your primary.

you're also using the worst rifle in the game.

[narrow bough]

I actually like UIC, which yeah is the worst i am just trying different things. Now i am looking for rifle sync up talent around the map.

Spark would work perfectly with the sync up right?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[narrow bough]

with memento i will loose one skill tier and some damage as well. also i use memento for lot of things and ninja backpack for nothing, i am just not enjoying memento anymore

[onyx sage]

you can try it out yeah. it's just we all have done so and just collectively came to the conclusion it's just not worth it compared to other backpacks

[hexed steppe]

The reason memento would be a million times better than ninja in this case is 3 fold.

• 30% skill efficiency is 30% in every skill bucket. (% Skill damage,status effects,skill haste,skill repair, skill duration, skill health.)
  -skill health can basically be considered shield health as that will get stronger with trophy collection.
  -memento will benefit you a minimum of 45% raw weapon damage from long buff+red core.
  If you use cap this would be 52.5% wd from a single item.

I mirror what others have said about using capacitor since it is a hybrid. But I would use glass over oblit/spotter.

I have made a similar hybrid but with more yellow cores and a different focus. Capacitor + harmony rifle are ideal for that type of setup.

#td2-build-advice message link to original build post

[silent storm]

The residential market is crazy these days, can't even afford The House anymore. Time to settle for The Apartment lol

[shy willow]

Tough times in today's economy

[pastel crane]

Are there viable shield builds for endgame content?

[magic pilot]

Terrible gun

[wise swallow]

half sheild you can pretty much throw on any gun DPS build and itll be good
full shield is good for regulus builds

[magic pilot]

Tech tanks

[wise swallow]

some tanks too yea

I think theres some built around higher mobility mortar builds but that may be a PVP thing

[pastel crane]

I was more looking for full shield builds, but I appreciate the answer

[versed summit]

You don’t really need a tank except for iron horse. You can run 4 pc foundry and something like point man and protector on heroic, but it’s not really optimal. Dps is meta because targets aggro to what’s doing the most damage to them, so tanks can’t hold aggro, and they can’t do damage.

[pastel crane]

Fair enough

[solar sable]

Should I keep it?

[rich lotus]

Personally I don't find it all that great

Anything with health on it for me = there's better options lol

[versed summit]

Nah but you should donate to proficiency

[shy willow]

You can say you like it but that doesn't make it less terrible

[gentle lichen]

The most placebo gun i ever witnessed imo

You lose damage then you gain it back.
You gain rpm then you lose it.
Other than faster stacking initially it literally makes little to no difference in damage

Worthless isn't the word
Suboptimal

[shy willow]

You can use it you could just be using something better

[versed summit]

I’d say initial stacking is negligible since it’s gonna stack just as fast as a conventional weapon at the end of the mag.

[shy willow]

Then change your build and playstyle not your weaponry

So you recognize your choices are subpar

Weapons wise

if you're comparing weapons with different use cases maybe

If you stack up the apartment to a fast hands or strained mpx it's just worse at the same job

Wh-

[acoustic coral]

Fact of the matter is, while you could use your hands to hammer in nails or open a multitude of padlocks - especially if you have calloused hands - you're better of using the intended tool for it (a hammer / the key).
The weapon itself is subpar to other choices from the same categories.

[restive sundial]

I have a question about regen DZ build
what is better as 3 pieces: Gila Guard or Golan Gear?

2% armor regen is still better than 1.5% even with +5% total armor, so W for Gila Guard
+60% Health is usually useless, +10% Status Effects is nice but I don't use any skills with status effects

yesterday I was farming DZ for Emperor's Guard and I was told that Golan is better for regen builds
no idea if it means I should use 2 Golan for 1.5% regen and something else

the real question is health: does it mean a lot in DZ or I should trade it to Golan for+5% more armor but less armor regen?

[dull ermine]

I mean 60% health in the dz isn’t exactly useless

But Golan frees up a brandset

[restive sundial]

so 2 golan + something else?
I checked all brand sets and there's nothing for armor regen (I already use Belstone Armory and Emperor's Guard)

[restive sundial]

since Golan has +10% total armor, I can upgrade each part to 25 expertise and get a lot of armor compared to 5% total armor, but I'll miss the +60% health and 0.5% armor regen
I think the regen part is fine, but still not sure about the loss of +60% health

[versed summit]

expertising your gear that high is not worth it.

[restive sundial]

I know, it only affects your base armor, but 25 lvl is almost one blue core

and more armor is better for regen builds only

[versed summit]

if you have the resources whatever, but 99% of the time it's not worth the investment.

[restive sundial]

I get 5-7 exotics every day in open world for 1.5-2 hours on heroic with 3 directives, so I don't think it's a problem
anyway, I don't like regen builds so it's for DZ only, and I think I can afford 25 expertise there

but before I start spending a lot of resources I would like to get the best solo DZ regen build
for now I'm using Belstone Armory, Emperor's Guard, Memento and 3 Gila Guard
with 3 Golan I can get more armor and this idea looks interesting to me

I just not sure if 60% health is a big deal in DZ or 10% total armor with 25 expertise would be better
or even 2 Golan + something else

[acoustic coral]

@rich lotus Wouldn't the total armor benefit him the most? Health has no real benefit as there's no HP regen, no specific stat to protect him once armor is gone.

And. Isn't it 25 expertise across the board for what is about an armor core?

[restive sundial]

base armor is 131+158+80+80+112+99=660k
25% is 165k, and one blue core is 170k
26% is 171600 and it's already more than one blue core, so in theory if we can get new gear then 26 expertise will give you one free blue core

[tawdry flare]

But at what cost

[rich lotus]

I just generally don't find health worth investing at all

Any armor type > health, any day

[tawdry flare]

You get now Insane health bonus

[rich lotus]

Worth investiment tbh specially for regen builds

[restive sundial]

so I should switch from 3 Gila Guard to Golan

[rich lotus]

1 extra blue core is a LOT specially in pvp

[rich lotus]

The only "Difference" from golan to gila for me is the total armor + 0,5% less regen

But at the same time you can have an extra piece that would be game changing ig

[restive sundial]

0.5% less regen is fine, but I wasn't sure about that 60% health buff, it sounds big

[rich lotus]

Nah health is completely useless

And if they're using an AR your health will vanish in a blink

It's one of those stats that are there just to f your RNG up imo lol

[restive sundial]

what I can add to 2 Golan pieces? my main weapon is ouroboros

[rich lotus]

What's the whole build look like

And is it pve or pvp

[restive sundial]

just for DZ

right now Belstone Armory, Emperor's Guard, Memento and 3 Gila Guard
everything up to 60 chc and over 100% chd
and with 5k regen on each gear except memento

guns: Ouroboros, Shield Splinterer
skills: decoy + defender drone

[rich lotus]

What backpack and chest talent?

Haven't seen a regen ouro in a while imma be honest it's mostly regen headshot lol

[restive sundial]

forgot about it, backpack is Memento, Belstone Armory with unbreakable

I'm completely fine with guns damage, ouro just works everywhere (20 expertise for now)

[rich lotus]

I'd personally run that build but slightly differently but they way it is it works

I would prob do something like Catharsis + Emperor's + Belstone + 2x Golan with something like matador/picaro's or you can even get 3x gila with AD rush

I have a gila backpack with vigilance that works good as well for when you're lazering from a far but it becoems futile when at close range

Memento could be a pain to use on that build but I'm not sure sure

[restive sundial]

I like Memento because of 60% bonus armor, and at 30 stacks it's really good
and it's easy to get 30 kills with ouro
I was farming DZ yesterday, got 3 Emperor’s Guard, killed about 7 or 8 rogues and died twice

and one guy told me to use Golan instead of Gila Guard so I ended up being here

[rich lotus]

I farmed for 1 for like 3h or so and didn't get any lmao

[restive sundial]

kneepads were targeted loot yesterday

[rich lotus]

Well the benefit of golan is you get the regen still but you lose a tiny portion of it along the total armor from gila at the cost of 1 additional slot

[rich lotus]

Ikik farmed a little yesterday too

[restive sundial]

so.. I think I'll just switch to 3 Golan, I really like that 10% total armor and I don't know what to use in a free slot because guns damage is already fine
thanks

[rich lotus]

That works too, my say on this specially when it comes to regen build is try until you think it works for you

[rich lotus]

Ah so pretty

Wait why full full blue

Arm regen + hazpro?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[rich lotus]

Gonna be tickling people

[magic pilot]

I'd drop the regen minors tho

[rich lotus]

I need 1 emperors with HS

I hate the one with regen I got lol

[magic pilot]

Descent

[rich lotus]

Works for now but eh

Id rather have hsd

[restive sundial]

and I need exactly that with double regen
I started to play descent one week ago, it was a pain but now it's fine with permanent bonuses in NSA store

[rich lotus]

Wait what

Permament bonuses?

[restive sundial]

yes, it's in NSA store, it works for future runs

it's really bad mode if you do not have anything from that store

[rich lotus]

Oh I thought it worked like shd watch that gives your character bonuses

[restive sundial]

oh, it's for descent only

I miss chd here, and they should expand this store because this mode is not fun at all

[rich lotus]

I've been getting pretty bored from the game overall I might give descent another go

[tulip charm]

wait

those buffs are perm and not a one time thing?

[restive sundial]

yes, but only in descent mode

[tulip charm]

I want to farm descent since I dont have matador atm

too lazy to do so

[gentle lichen]

Almost 70% of those are useless imo

[rich lotus]

i finally got the st elmos!

[tulip charm]

gz

[restive sundial]

they should expand this store, there should be more perm bonuses

[gentle lichen]

Save your nsa tech for reconstructed caches

[restive sundial]

Extra talent choice is a must buy

Currency gain is too expensive, but can help you to reroll talents a few times more

overall, this mode is not fun at all compared to summit because you are weak and your gear is always bad thanks to rng
it would be better to get a lot more perma perks in the store, even at a higher price

[stoic tendon]

any good builds ? whit ninjabike backpack i used the ridgewaypride whit 4 hunterfury whit one badger tuff . and picaro holser and ninja bike and 3 pices of hunter fury works really good what shold i use as my second one pice ? i use scorpion exotc shotgun and an mp7 whit strain or saidist whit those 2 crit caped for smg i think thye are solid dps builds whit shield and revhive . did some experiments whit bleed hive dont know the name but it was better whit just revive hive.

[acoustic coral]

any good builds?
not using ninjabike
not using ridgeway
for PvE that is. those are very niche

[stoic tendon]

well i play pve so its not hard to prock the bleed on ridgeway and ninja bike feels like an win as you get one free blue and skill tire. whit the picolo same ther so im not losing any red and i get an tire 4 shield ? as pestilens build whit Negotiator's Dilemma fells to broken atm. whit reviver hive and healing from drone and armor regen from gunner

[tulip charm]

nnb is bad because memento exist

[versed summit]

nah it'd still be bad without memento. but it's also worse because Memento exists.

[blissful rampart]

nope, NNB is bad because backpack talents exist and also memento.

[patent elm]

ninjaback is mostly bad because 2 piece gear set boni suck pretty badly compared to backpack talents

[blissful rampart]

also true ^^

[tulip charm]

eh it just run hf with memento ceska obliterate and you can easily clear solo heroic

Its super easy to build

[restive sundial]

I'm using this in PVE on heroic (don't look at the second gun lol), everything works fine but it could be because of expertise idk

[stoic tendon]

what back pack talants will out perform 15% weapon dmg on NBP im running legendary solo btw

[blissful rampart]

all of them

[tulip charm]

aint no way 💀

[versed summit]

composure, and everything above that

[blissful rampart]

^^ which is everything lol

[stoic tendon]

if you get hit when your using composure you lose the dmg and what will buff the shield?

[versed summit]

no that's vigilance, which is way better

[stoic tendon]

sorry you need to be in cower

[versed summit]

take companion, or unstoppable force

[versed summit]

take two blue cores and still do more damage with vigilance

[onyx sage]

if you use striker (which is really the best solo legendary set rn), then striker backpack

[stoic tendon]

30% vs 25? that is constant

[onyx sage]

vigilance is total weapon damage

[blissful rampart]

if you still want those 2 skill tiers that Ninja bag gives you can freely run 1 blue and 1 yellow core on your other gear pieces and use a normal backpack talent and you will still be stronger then running ninja bag.

[tulip charm]

I dont think he understand the difference between damage multiplier

like wd and twd etc

[blissful rampart]

not an amp

[onyx sage]

but basically vigilance very stronk

[blissful rampart]

twd = multiplier

[tulip charm]

yeah thats what I mean

[onyx sage]

can't be replaced most of the time

[stoic tendon]

the only multiplicativ dmg i know of are crit and crit hit dmg whit headshot dmg

[blissful rampart]

nope

[patent elm]

headshot and crit dmg are actually the same multiplier

[versed summit]

well that's a little over simplified, but they are additive to each other. They still are different multipliers though.

[patent elm]

fair enough

[stoic tendon]

so my ridge way whit perfekt wicked will do more dmg then as its multiplicativ

[versed summit]

yes

perfect wicked isn't really worth running tbh

normal wicked on a Grupo/ceska BP would work a lil better

[blissful rampart]

TLDR; everything is multiplicative damage and additive to its self, except amps are never additive and HSD is additive with CHD.

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr of the tl;dr when the math nerds start talking, just respond with things like "ooh i see" and "neat!"

[blissful rampart]

not exactly. they are are same multiplier because they are additive with each other.

ie a crit on a headshot is NOT chd x HSD its (CHD + HSD)

[onyx sage]

"multiplicative damage" is kind of a misnomer. i suggest if you don't understand the formula right now, don't look at something as "multiplicative" and thinking it's good. usually it's not the case.

just listen to us when we say something is good

[hexed steppe]

or check the pinned sheet for known good setups

[blissful rampart]

the pin has a quick and easy dps calc too, that makes it easy, if you like.

[stoic tendon]

still its faster to run and smother whit NBP and picaro and 3 hunter fury as this is no ramp and i have the survivability i need so faster times so far for legendary solo

[versed summit]

i guesssssss but a headshot that's not a crit obviously won't take into account crit. maybe i'm making it more complicated tha it needs to be tho

[blissful rampart]

ah i see what you mean. but not sure what to call that part (still not separate multiplier because they are both additive when it happens)

[tulip charm]

wdym no ramp up you need kills for hf

[blissful rampart]

even faster using a normal high-end backpack with wicked while running 2 blue cores on gear to save the ninja bag cores.

have no ramp, same shield tier, and higher dps.

[stoic tendon]

just if i take dmg i dont have to wait for the dmg agen

[blissful rampart]

ie ceska wicked says hi

[onyx sage]

if you use a shield, damage to shield doesn't disable vigilance. but yeah wicked exists

[stoic tendon]

i have 4 cores for shield and 2 for my reviver hive

[tulip charm]

Memento gives the same cores as nbb

[blissful rampart]

^^

[tulip charm]

and also buffs skills aswell

[vestal ibex]

Reviver doesn't matter solo?

[tulip charm]

Eh

better to run emp than revive for leg imo

[stoic tendon]

but you will not get all 3 cores from picc

[onyx sage]

as in cores for reviver doesn't matter solo, yeah

[onyx sage]

you don't need them

[blissful rampart]

using high end backpack and rerolling cores to gain 1 blue and 1 yellow = same cores for shield and skills as Ninja bag BUT higher dps because gain backpack talent.

[onyx sage]

memento buffs are stronger than brand buffs

[tulip charm]

But you get bonus armor, skill efficiency and weapon damage from memento

[onyx sage]

the 2p and 3p brand buffs are mostly trash

[stoic tendon]

kinda hard to get all the drops in heroic all the time some times you lose stacks

[tulip charm]

You dont need get all of the drops

[onyx sage]

heroic isn't that hard for you to reposition. plus you only need to get 1 per 5 minutes

[blissful rampart]

not hard on heroic (harder for leg yea)

but even then see here ^^

[hexed steppe]

memento you only need 1 trophy every 5 mins to maintain long buff

[vestal ibex]

Just use grey gear to do legendary, no need to think about your build at that point.

Reference for joke...

[stoic tendon]

well im not at that skill levl yet and i dont have any gray gear sins i started playing when the game came out

[flint wave]

🗿

[acoustic coral]

BASE * (AWD+SWD) * TWD * (CHD+HSD) * DTA or DTH * DTTOOC * Other Multipliers (AMPS)

To simplify it, you could say:

WD from brands goes to the first part of the calculation and doesn't affect the total nearly as much. (forgot to calc it all out)

20.000 * 2.3 * 1.25 * (2.7 + 1.55) * 1.1 * 1.1 * AMPS (something ish) = 295.693,75

I'm mid CS2 game rn, so can be corrected

[onyx sage]

too much math

me monkey brain, me test 2 thing, 1 thing give less 1 thing give more, use thing 2

[stoic tendon]

its kinda hard to run full red builds solo on legendary. and the tip i did get her was 2 blue cores. sadist is multiplicative as well. and that is upp almost every target on an ridgeway build. i prefer smg any day over an arm build as i get better ttk

[onyx sage]

it's hard, but you can. you make up the lack of survivability with skill and knowledge

AR is best for full red solo leg because you can't stay close, so SMGs fall off in viability

[rich lotus]

Me

[rich lotus]

Unless sniper build

Even then you could just use striker + elmos and do good

[stoic tendon]

sorry i prefer to get them done fast so sniper is not even some thing i do sorry. and they tend to take to mutch time. not for me. i fi have to do longrange combat i use pestilens whit negotiors dilemma

[onyx sage]

if you want to do them fast you go striker elmo lol

you can clear DUA sub 20 with striker elmo

[rich lotus]

Fast you say huh

That's the whole reason why I run sniper build

[onyx sage]

and sniper with determined headhunter is one of the fastest ways to clear

[rich lotus]

Makes legendary a joke

[stoic tendon]

btw i play solo

[rich lotus]

Oh solo ok yeah then striker elmo is your way to go

[flint wave]

memento striker time

safest way to play legendary by urself

[stoic tendon]

DUA is perfekt for smg scorpion combo what i know

[onyx sage]

striker with elmo or any good AR can beat any legendary easily

the others have their niches

[dull ermine]

Do you guys use negotiators for legendary

Obliterate … not focus

[hazy steeple]

I don't think you can negotiate with enemy NPC's in this game, sorry.

[dull ermine]

Wdym I negotiated with Captain Lewis

[hazy steeple]

I don't think it counts when he was so terminally stupid that he ran away from the only help he had.

[onyx sage]

it can be used, but not as strong as before unless you want to still use ND focus

but without focus, it doesn't have anything competitive unlike striker with striker chest

[dull ermine]

He never did specify what made him jump ship

[dull ermine]

I guess for me it’s just to mark 2 targets and burn chunga / warhound

That’s the only benefit I’d say

[hazy steeple]

Repeated blows to the head and a ton of hard drugs.
Turns out True Sons were just trying to put him into rehab.

[onyx sage]

yeah i mean it's still good if we just consider striker obliterate, and survivability wise it feels a lot better than striker

[dull ermine]

Ignoring the guns and skills is this how you run your striker build ?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[dull ermine]

Or do you run something else in place of coyotes

[onyx sage]

no, i always run coyote

[magic pilot]

Toasty run grupo on tidal

Some situations are different but 99% of the time what you have is fine

I think toasty never runs coyotes actually

[onyx sage]

different strokes for different folks

[blissful rampart]

DCH is always an option too over coyotes. lower average dps but gain pocket nuke, well worth the trade since strikers already has high average dps

[dull ermine]

Back again with the dch orbit combo

[magic pilot]

Tidal has so much long range fighting so you aren't getting mid or close buff

[dull ermine]

I pretty much got decimated in my last run heroic tidal against wyvern

[onyx sage]

yeah but i do play close range on tidal in some areas and i don't want to gimp my crit just for those. in general i do agree though

[magic pilot]

That was his logic for not using coyotes, you can always just swap

[half cosmos]

Whats a better gun in genral

Scorpion
Or st elmo?

[magic pilot]

Scorpio

[hazy steeple]

@half cosmos It depends on what you want to use it for, and in what build.
nothing in div2 exists in a vacuum.

[half cosmos]

I mainly have a pure damage focused striker or meme skill tier OD and ND

And their pure damage builds

The od one stays with Scorpio no brainer

[hazy steeple]

Well for example; on Striker, Scorpio won't be helpful.

[tulip charm]

Scorpio is insane with strikers

its funny

[hazy steeple]

Insane as in a crazy person picks it, sure.

[tulip charm]

Ig Im crazy then.

[half cosmos]

That yea i have a dw and a strained guns but was thinking of swaping one for elmo

[hazy steeple]

Uh well basically the idea of Strikers is to use a gun to build up the stacks, and your other gun to deal the damage when they are.

The most common choice for strikers is an acs-12 and a good high-end AR w/strained or other good talent.

(you can also use an Ouroboros instead and it fills both roles, but it's meant to be played at a somewhat closer distance and is tough to get compared to high-end stuff)

[half cosmos]

Oh so ar to stack up then marksmen to damage?

[hazy steeple]

Uh no, the shotgun (acs-12) to stack (since the pellets count) and the AR to kill.

[half cosmos]

Oh right my bad

[hazy steeple]

all good, this game uses way too many terms.

like how it uses cqb instead of cqc for close play.

[half cosmos]

So a dw and strained build is no go?

On striker

Sorry if i sound stupid still getting a bit of hang finally abouts to touch 200 lev

[hazy steeple]

Nah you're all good, everyone started out where you are now.

The DW (vector) there could be used to build stacks, but it's going to be weaker than using a shotgun like the acs or similar.
You could get away with it, but you're not going to be seeing the same kinda crazy build that you might see people talk about.

[half cosmos]

I dont like shotguns exept scorpio honestly

[flint wave]

Elmo if ur doing average striker dps stuff
Scorpio you can throw on any random build and it will still be ok

[half cosmos]

Like dont like the feel of shotguns (exept Scorpio)

[half cosmos]

Rn have it on a meme OD build with tech cores and yes it keeps fuling itself so much so that i will be swaping the chest peice to be something else than perfect truma

[hazy steeple]

Ouroboros is a solid choice for your Striker instead as I mentioned, and it fills both roles so you can put on something longer range for emergency situations.

(I like to use an m1-a rifle with it, socom my beloved)

[glossy scarab]

eh socom is just a worse version of cqb

[half cosmos]

Welp that goes on my list of red tiers to get next to momento

I was told to get it before i went to hitius

[hazy steeple]

Oh it's 100% worse, but I've had the same godrolled one for almost 4 years now and you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.

[glossy scarab]

lol

[half cosmos]

XD i understand that feeling i finally got a good? Roll od bag finally

[hazy steeple]

You get really attached to certain items in this game and it can give you blinders.

like me and the Dark Winter.

just to keep this as build advice, you can always throw Scorpio and the DW into a Hunters Fury setup and enjoy it.

[shy willow]

I still have an old godrolled baker's dozen from the days I thought lucky shot was god tier

[onyx sage]

if you play close range (which you do in incursion and killing bosses), scorpio is the best pick for dps if no one else runs it. but it's used as a main weapon and terrible for stacking compared to acs. just wanted to add that

[hazy steeple]

Mostly joking around because so many people blindly suggest the Scorpio despite it having some serious drawbacks.

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't write it off outright as a terrible pick, but it definitely isn't a generalist weapon

[shy willow]

if a dps on the incursion runs a Scorpio it's so nice

[tawdry flare]

Bruh Scorpio is such amazing gun it just works

[shy willow]

free amp in conjunction with other support buffs

[tawdry flare]

20% debuff plus higher dps than Oreo if hitting every shot

[half cosmos]

So far i love how it can deal with both mechs and humans

[onyx sage]

pros: it's a shotgun and it's busted
cons: it's a shotgun

[hazy steeple]

And yet, still doesn't have as much DPS as the sawn-off.
Truly nothing compares.

[half cosmos]

Anything acting too much? Empty a mag and its shocked snd takes 20% more damage from ALL sources and due to my build is blinded bleeding and FLUFING prisoned

[glossy scarab]

pro - gives me another reason to use intimidate

[flint wave]

Undetected division hack my beloved

[half cosmos]

Oh yea that sent exists as wll

[tawdry flare]

That's burst and with double barrel sustained matters as well

[hazy steeple]

Ouro defender trying to compare having half as much DPS says what.

See folks, this is why DPS itself is not everything. It can very easily be twisted.

[flint wave]

ain't got nothing on my 200 striker backup boomstick build🛌

[tawdry flare]

I don't like Oreo that much tbh

[dull ermine]

Elaborate please

[flint wave]

it's an smg

ars just better

[half cosmos]

I love SMGs

[hazy steeple]

It's name means a snake getting way too hungry.

[onyx sage]

six12

[hazy steeple]

that is both correct and infuriatingly simplified. You're welcome!

[half cosmos]

And ARs my only problem is running 2 ar or smg has landed me in hot waters as i eat up the ammo 2x fast on pistolario

[dull ermine]

What’s an smgs

[flint wave]

super mega gun

[dull ermine]

6twelve?

[hazy steeple]

Luckily with most builds, using 2 different types of weapons is more useful.

[dull ermine]

I like the super 90… the reload speed even with fast hands hurts tho

[onyx sage]

I'm going to be even more cryptic and just say 612

[hazy steeple]

6twelve

[dull ermine]

VIXII

[glossy scarab]

ahaha that seems like something a bad tattoo artist would put on your arm accidentally 6twelve

[shy willow]

seisdoce

[hazy steeple]

You had a little typo there.
DCXII

[onyx sage]

along with momento, rouge, decent

[dull ermine]

DC? 😂

[hazy steeple]

Rouge?

[dull ermine]

I’m confused now

[flint wave]

decent

[onyx sage]

true div2 player tattoos

[shy willow]

direct current

[hazy steeple]

I had "Rouge Agent" as a name on here for long enough to get told that either I change it or I'm getting thrown out.

[onyx sage]

lol

[dull ermine]

Rouge was how most people spelled rogue until people started hating

“rouge is a color”

[hazy steeple]

Rouge is a shade of red, most commonly used as a term for a type of make-up.

[dull ermine]

Oh I forget it was rivens

[half cosmos]

I messed up recently went white oak with mechanical and elmo XD 2 reloads each and no ammo

[onyx sage]

honestly I'm going to name my alt RougeIsAColor

[flint wave]

decentmeansGOOD

[shy willow]

if a rogue wears rouge it makes then a rouge rogue

[half cosmos]

Ppl have stated to relate mid to bad and avg to bad for some reason

[hazy steeple]

The temptation to change my ingame name to "itsroguenotrouge" is overwhelming.

[half cosmos]

I shall not be able to pronounce that

[hazy steeple]

hey neither can I, but that's a different matter.

[shy willow]

mid is avg and avg is suboptimal

[hazy steeple]

both are bad words to use for that.

[flint wave]

mid = bad my favorite

[half cosmos]

But avg means MEAN its not good OR bad

[hazy steeple]

mid meaning bad is entirely from IGN rating every awful game a 7/10, mark my words.

[onyx sage]

truege

[flint wave]

you are avg

(Mean)

[onyx sage]

if everyone runs the best build, then it's run by an average person

[glossy scarab]

mean and avg are two different things

[onyx sage]

🤯

[half cosmos]

Explain

Now u will say expectation is not mean

[hazy steeple]

A mean is a numeric quantity representing the center of a collection of numbers and is intermediate to the extreme values of a set of numbers. There are several kinds of means in mathematics, especially in statistics
From Wikipedia.

[shy willow]

and then they went and rated every call of duty 5 billion out of 10

[hazy steeple]

I can legally say that I paid for that copy+paste.

donate to wikipedia folks, it's an important place.

[shy willow]

wh-

[half cosmos]

👏

[blissful rampart]

**median = **is just the number that is in the middle of the series. (no dividing at all)
Avg is the sum of all the listed numbers / the amount of numbers in the list.

[half cosmos]

Then whats median?

[glossy scarab]

i didnt say that. your future-sight about whats about to happen now isnt working

[shy willow]

isnt that the median

[half cosmos]

Welp time to equip mechanical animal to become perfect future perfetc

[onyx sage]

median is the most frequently occurring number in a discrete set

[blissful rampart]

whelp hol up not im confused

[onyx sage]

or is that mode idk i don't do stats in 3 years now

[shy willow]

isnt that the mode

[blissful rampart]

median = is just the number that is in the middle of the series. (no dividing at all) <--- is correct

[flint wave]

inb4 range

[onyx sage]

no that's the average difference between 2 numbers

[hazy steeple]

Median: Middle value separating the greater and lesser halves of a data set
basically what Azur said.

[glossy scarab]

lol thats very good

[onyx sage]

(i hope naval is catching on me giving consistently wrong definitions by now)

[shy willow]

wtf I was taught it was the number that came up the most

oh

you got me dude😭

[onyx sage]

no that's the riemann sum

[flint wave]

Why would someone lie on the internet

[tawdry flare]

My AI Summariser

[flint wave]

Summarizer*

[tawdry flare]

No division u r right it is division 2

[hazy steeple]

Actually here we use S's instead of Z's in most cases.

e.g. Analyse vs Analyze.

[shy willow]

the real tom Clancy's division 2?

[flint wave]

my name is Tom clancy and I divide by 2

✍️ 🔥

[glossy scarab]

i will never be able to feel certain when i'm trying to spell exercise or exercize

[dull ermine]

What’s the difference between Tom Clancy’s The Division & Tom Clancy’s The Division 2

[blissful rampart]

also FYI MEAN and AVERAGE are nearly the same. exception being

you can use average to pick a frequent number of a set of numbers

IE: 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5
the average number of this set is 3.

[shy willow]

my names Alan wake and I have american nightmares

[blissful rampart]

were as mean is strictly the math average of those numbers (ie sum them up and divide )

hmmm maybe explaing it wrong BUT in my defense i need more coffee lol

[dull ermine]

@blissful rampart drink tea

[hazy steeple]

both are good, but tea is more chill.
I recommend herbal, good for you.

[blissful rampart]

see here https://www.eslbuzz.com/mean-vs-average/#Mean_vs_Average_The_Differences

[dull ermine]

I can finally see the UI on ps

[shy willow]

no way the real umbra initiative?

[half cosmos]

Thats mode ie frequency

[dull ermine]

I thought you were a math teacher why are you using internet sources

[hazy steeple]

Actually mode is specifically the most frequent data value, not frequency overall.

[blissful rampart]

i aint no math teacher!!! just like math

[hazy steeple]

Knowing math is good for you, helps keep your brain active.

Remember folks: every bit of math you do, is one less person trying to snipe with a Strikers.

[blissful rampart]

oof hahaha

[half cosmos]

Bro i have done enough math to nearly fail it for 6 years and now i am not saying i don't need math but the math being asked if me in clg is not needed for what i wanna do

[dull ermine]

Wait till you see people running 3 pc hard wired

[blissful rampart]

clg?

[half cosmos]

College*

[blissful rampart]

OH

[dull ermine]

Collage?

[hazy steeple]

If you don't wanna do math, you may be playing the wrong game, I'mma be honest.

[shy willow]

agent keener has 5723 eclipse payloads, if agent kelso confiscates 641 of them, what colour is the empire state building

[blissful rampart]

i thought it was something in the game hahaa

[glossy scarab]

i shouldn't know any of this stuff. im supposedly american. how did i learn this. why did i know the difference between avg and mean? wtffff

[hazy steeple]

Red after I launch keener headfirst into it.

[half cosmos]

I saw a person run 3 piece some armor set (did not trigger as was rinning 3 peice golan or something)

[dull ermine]

I don’t think the math is difficult it’s the fact that some of the talents are vague

[half cosmos]

Wait aint he ded? Like a door nail ded?

[shy willow]

💀😭

[hazy steeple]

If they taught you taxes you wouldn't remember that either, let's be honest.

[dull ermine]

To this day I’m surprised bloody knuckles is TWD

Is busy bee TWD?

[hazy steeple]

I don't think either of those items was in The Walking Dead, but I could be wrong.

[blissful rampart]

bee is an amp

[shy willow]

probably a bloody knuckle or two in there

[dull ermine]

I remember Abraham having bloody knuckles

[blissful rampart]

and yea knuckles is TWD, was just worded wrong on the talent lol

[hazy steeple]

that response from Azur was just so "sigh"

okay I've officially crossed over into "been awake for too long", Enjoy your advice of builds, folks.

[shy willow]

I remember someone giving his brain fresh air

[dull ermine]

That’s one way to say they had a negotiators dilemma

[blissful rampart]

they need to fix the talent wording on sledgehammer BUT i seriously dont know how you word that with how it functions lol

[dull ermine]

Amplifies damage to all stat bars 👁️

[shy willow]

if you say DTA it's technically wrong but you can't say damage to plating either

[flint wave]

DTA and armor plates ez fix

[blissful rampart]

yup and yup, and doesnt help that sledge is an amp to other DTA you might have in your build

IE if you contractors its that 8% x sledge vs armor (not 8% + sledge, since its not additive lol)

[acoustic coral]

Or, you know, you enjoy 1) whatever random thing you slap together with no knowledge and have fun in solo play and 2) pick a build from the build sheet that we refer to at minimum once a day. You don't need to know math to play with a certain build.

[tame flax]

the toxicity

[glossy scarab]

sledgehammer: we don't really know. just use a grenade. the damage buff seems to come from some nebulously defined multiplier that is probably unique to this talent so we don't really know what to call it.

[shy willow]

free damage guys you like free damage right just use this talent and toss a nade

[blissful rampart]

"99% of Chungs will hate you if you use this Damage to armor!"

[shy willow]

they'll hate you even more when you shoot them in the cheeks

[half cosmos]

Wait so its good? And i should just keep it on my pistol?

[shy willow]

yes sledge is an excellent talent

good option for your sidearm yes but lefty is also good if you're using striker or healer

[hexed steppe]

Or stage left

Just make sure you have a nade that procs it well.

[shy willow]

^ survivalist incendiaries very helpful

[hexed steppe]

Dont want to be joe schmoe tossing foam nades complaining sledge is a pos talent

[shy willow]

perpetuation better amirite

[onyx sage]

Enemies with debuff have their armor and armor plating receive 40% more amplified damage

easy wording fix

[blissful rampart]

hmmmm change more to "amplified damage" and its correct. more is too vague imho.

[onyx sage]

agree

it's a subtle enough hint for some folks to know it applies to headhunter damage too 😉

[blissful rampart]

well HH is its own can of worms lol

[onyx sage]

that's why the more hints the better

"receiving more/amplified damage" = works with headhunter, as seen on scorpio and opportunistic

[dull ermine]

Gummy worms 😏

What is it that causes the chain killing of determined?

Determined or HH?

[vestal ibex]

Both.

You can get determined to work without HH on lower diffs as long as you have enough damage to one shot. HH just makes it viable at higher difficulties.

[dull ermine]

The body shot chain killing

[hexed steppe]

hh sees the body shots as headshots if determined is procced. same with hotshot

[vestal ibex]

Are you asking how it works or is there something you might need to word better in your question?

[dull ermine]

Localdeck explained it thanks

Basically I was wondering which talent overrides the other

[vestal ibex]

They work together tho? There isn't any overriding.

[dull ermine]

It’s headhunter that keeps proccing determined once it’s procced so the talent affected is headhunter

[vestal ibex]

Headhunters has two conditions to be maintained. Headshot? Does shot kill? Determined is just a buggy mess and has only one condition. While buff is active did I kill said target? While you might think this means sick chains for days, shots to enemies that don't have a proper head will fail HH checks and you'll drop it while you may keep determined after the target dies.

[half cosmos]

I want to ask for my friend he sorta made a on paper decent headshoting build with mantis but he says it does not proc even on hearshots

[vestal ibex]

Without seeing the build it's hard to know what the issue could possibly be.

[half cosmos]

Right my bad sleepy brain no think will send tomorrow

[acoustic coral]

Determined has one condition to be maintained:
Is the kill a headshot kill? If yes, the next shot - no matter where it hits - will be a headshot. This is why it triggers itself.
Headhunter retains headshot damage

[vestal ibex]

Is this a rewording? I'm confused as to what's being said here.

[acoustic coral]

Was just clarifying, because Determined is working as the talent describes. Aswell as how the TU17+18 patch notes describes
Which is also why I removed the @ from the reply (I think)

[solar sable]

yeah you did remove the @

[hexed steppe]

The only important part is that determined can reproc on any killshot after the first genuine headshot kill.
That's the part that makes it broken strong.

As I think it was stated, warhounds/minitanks drop headhunter, but if its a kill itll maintain determined and I think hotshot since it's just looking at headshot condition of the shot.

Helmets cause both procs to drop and you'll need another genuine headshot kill the restart the chain*.

I think we need a clear copy/pasta for explaining this consistently.

[rich lotus]

Another thing to note Ig is that hotshot 4pc still proc on any headshot

[hexed steppe]

Hotshot procs on headshots on dead npcs too as long as you're in combat as well 😉

[rich lotus]

Now that's something I didn't know myself damn

[solar sable]

that's a thing?!

[vestal ibex]

Yeah boss 4 IH people take shots on the dead chunga to re up HH.

[signal pivot]

Wait, since when could aces and eights chest/backpacks drop from outside the raid?

Follow up question, whats a good sniper build for pve?

[versed summit]

Think it’s been like that for a while. 4pc hotshot with chainkiller and airaldi vigilance is good

[rich lotus]

4 piece hotshot with 2 piece HG can be your white whale too

2 weeks and no HG at vendors makes me sad

[signal pivot]

hotshot?

[rich lotus]

hotshot gear set for sniping

[onyx sage]

hotshot outclassed aces on release for sniping

[signal pivot]

which one is hotshot? The phoenix?

[onyx sage]

no, look at the description of stuff when you hover over them unless you don't play in english

[signal pivot]

Ah, okay.

[fathom thunder]

Mask gives me AOK.
I just got a striker mask that does 13.8 damage and 5.6 crit chance.

Should I switch the mask out with the striker one?

(Just for PVE btw)

[tulip charm]

Run gunner, remove that glove, and get a ceska chest piece with obliterate

[fathom thunder]

Unrelated question. Is the coyote mask better than the gloves

[tulip charm]

1000% Yes

[fathom thunder]

Tbh I’m not too surprised because everyone I see with this build wears that mask

Okay so I got this going on now.
Gloves; 15.0 Dmg, 5.1 headshot damage, and 8.6 crit chance. This better?

[misty fjord]

Any advices for my build about survivability

[magic pilot]

Over a year

[magic pilot]

Run gunner, get a ceska chest and better mods/rolls

[magic pilot]

Get a ceska chest with obliterate and run striker gloves

[signal pivot]

Is headshot damage or weapon damage more important for sniper builds?

[rich lotus]

both

[misty fjord]

Alright

[shy willow]

Weapon damage realistically

Snipers are innately stacked with HSD and if it's rolled on gear too you'll have a bunch

[rich lotus]

@magic pilot To each his own and i know obliterate chests are favored by most, but im of the mind that if youre running content before legendary you really dont need the damage from either the striker chest or obliterate, and if you are running legendary or incursion youre shooting enough and you want the extra damage the striker chest provides. am i wrong?

[shy willow]

The guy is currently running intim with no bonus armour source

Obliterate is free damage if you're running a crit based build

[rich lotus]

i meant in general not related to the OP

[shy willow]

Even in general obliterate is a very good chest talent

Especially on striker

They both rely on stacking so they go hand in hand

[tulip charm]

Headshot until you hit hsd requirements for hh then go all in wd

[rich lotus]

Do you prefer it even on legendary missions over the striker chest?

[tulip charm]

Well it depends if you can maintain 150+ in leg

[shy willow]

You need to consistently maintain 150 stacks for it to be better than obliterate

[tulip charm]

If you can run striker chest if you cant obliterate

[rich lotus]

@tulip charm that's a very sensible idea

I don't know the math, but since Obliterate is a different form on amplified damage than strikers isnt it actually worth more than 50 strikers stacks?

[signal pivot]

headhunter is 150% right?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[tulip charm]

you probably want to ask that to the math guys later on ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx sage]

effectively it's an amp because you don't have another thing that also adds total weapon damage

striker (with backpack) basically gives you an amp that starts at 1.01 and maxes out at 2 (at 100 stacks). striker chest makes it go to 3 (200 stacks)

however, your damage is a product of many things, including total weapon damage and striker amp obviously.

striker + obliterate means you're multiplying 2 (striker at 100 stacks) with 1.25 (obliterate at 25 stacks) to get 2.5, which is equivalent to running striker stacks and landing at 150 stacks (because it's 1 + 0.01 x 150 stacks = 2.5).

considering you're going from 2 without obliterate to 2.5 with obliterate, you can say that obliterate is a 1.25x equivalent multiplicative increase (what people refer to as "amp" but can be confusing)

striker with striker chest makes you go from 2 to 3 at max stacks, which is a 1.5x equivalent multiplicative increase.

so, if you can maintain max stacks or be consistently higher than 150 stacks, striker chest is a better "amp" than obliterate

[magic pilot]

In general use you want obliterate, for incursion, past turrets you want striker chest. As far as legendary it depends entirely. I never max striker chest in leg

[onyx sage]

i've found striker chest to be very consistent for me in both solo and groups but i play very aggressive

[magic pilot]

Maybe that's my problem, I do leg with you

Stealing all my striker stacks

[onyx sage]

👿

[signal pivot]

4x Hotshot + 2x HG beats 3x Hotshot + 2x HG + chest with PHeadhunter? for snipers

[magic pilot]

Generally 4 hotshot and chain killer and airaldi is fine

Or providence instead of airaldi

[warm knot]

Speaking of which, what's the best in terms of hs damage? +10% wd or 15%hd?

Also, for the mortar turret build I asked yesterday.... Which mods should I use? All skill dmg mods or any skill haste?? Bc I got a contractors with status effects and another one with skill haste... I'm still looking for the contractors w skill dmg

[magic pilot]

For first shot dmg you want providence

You max HH stacks you want WD

[warm knot]

Dunno, I'm running HG blue + bloodsucker, capping at 19k...

[magic pilot]

3 hotshot, 2 hg and chainkiller isn't really needed

[warm knot]

I wanna get it to 20m at least

[magic pilot]

The extra dmg doesn't really do much

[magic pilot]

On the bp? Just run providence lol it's the same bonus

And you get a red core

[warm knot]

Going countdown, 1 sec

Brb

[warm knot]

Ya, thing is I like running 2x blue cores on hotshot for solo, but I was suffering to kill the overheled guys and hyena rushers.... So I was wondering whats better, providence or airaldi for the bp

I'm using the m700 (the wooden one), also I run scopes.

[onyx sage]

losing 2 red cores hurts a lot for headhunter tbh

[magic pilot]

Honeslty with 4 hotshot and bloodsucker you shouldn't need much more survivability

Maybe run gunner and swap the blues to red?

Gunner doesn't loose too much dmg, at least less than 30% wpn dmg

[warm knot]

But that's the point, I only noticed that when running 5 directives

Wrong reply*

[onyx sage]

no worries

[warm knot]

I'll do that, but only after I get contractors with skill dmg

Actually I only need the backpack, I have anything else for hotshot maxed with reds

[serene hare]

This game is so cursed, ffs

I was like "Oh, ok, basically 2 hours without a delta-03"

then I'm doing the Arena on legendary

get disconnected almost in the final area.

[pine monolith]

There a specific order thats best to upgrade on the watch or is jus mostly preference? I heard do hazard protection before armor or something?

[glossy scarab]

the most important one is critical hit chance (CHC).

[pine monolith]

Yea already got that, health, and skill damage to 50.

[glossy scarab]

cool. yea im sure theres some optimal order that people have worked out but honestly it doesnt really matter because the incriments are so small that you will never notice each upgrade. and they're all going to be maxed eventually

[pine monolith]

Yea just playing casually trying to grind my way to 1k so I can start taking advantage of the extra materials on all characters for expertise.

[dull ermine]

Crit chance, crit damage,

Skill haste, skill duration, skill dmg (pick whichever floats your boat, haste works for all skills)

Total armor, hazard protection

Ammo capacity, reload speed

[main quest]

this is what im using at the moment, im wanting to have a high dps build but i have no clue on where to go from here any tips?

[dull ermine]

You want crit chance / crit damage on your rolls

Instead of Sokolova run ceska - I’m assuming that’s dark winter, it’s fine but the talent needs to procced on kill which means there’s a chance it won’t be active all the time

You want your crit chance to be 60%

See the list above this post as to what attributes you should prioritize your shd watch points

Talents you want obliterate on chest… backpack is up to you, could go with concussion, wicked, etc

[main quest]

is there a way to re roll my shd points?

[dull ermine]

Nah if you put them somewhere else just focus on putting the rest towards the ones listed

They’re listed in order of preference

[main quest]

okay cool thank you

also whats a good way to "farm" exotics in my level?

[dull ermine]

For now I’d just do the weekly projects

Weekly shd requisition, summit if you feel up to it

Weekly project that gives 3x exotic components is a good way you can stock up until you’re ready

Otherwise countdown but you’ll be short on components unless you buy exotic caches from the vendor

[main quest]

also is there a different gun i should replace with dark winter for the moment?

[dull ermine]

I recommend cmmg banshee or mp7

Mpx is suitable but I find it difficult to find

[tulip charm]

Pinned comment and click spreadsheet. There’s an hf build guide in there.

[sinful totem]

Also, isn't sleep tight one of worse exotic shotties? IMO Scorpio is way better for utility and damage increase

[main quest]

I would use Scorpio if I had it

[hazy steeple]

What language is that translated into where it's called "sleep tight"? I've never seen that one before.

[sinful totem]

Polish

[hazy steeple]

The english name is "Sweet Dreams" or "Lullaby", depending on the version.

[sinful totem]

Yeahhh, I get those mixed. In Polish it's translated to meaning sleep tight lol

[hazy steeple]

cheers!
and yeah it's not a great Exotic, it's only really good for joke builds and melee challenges on purple/red enemies.

[sinful totem]

I think it'd work for this event tho, given melee requirement as one option to farm

[hazy steeple]

Oh sure that's what I use it for as it 1-taps, but after you've killed the 30 enemies with it, back to the cupboard.

[hexed steppe]

Keep it in build at least till it is proficient. Save yourself 227-300 shd points if you level it with xp use 😎

[shy willow]

I ought to get to grinding expertise but I reckon I'll get field research and any remaining SHD tech first

[hazy steeple]

Expertise is really best done as a background thing, I just did it mainly whilst doing other stuff.

Apparel Events/GE's are best for sure. Since they basically require level ups.

[radiant heron]

are the pieces for my heart breaker lmg build good? i know i need to replace the blue attributes

[versed summit]

relying on Nightwatcher to proc pulse is the biggest an issue here.

[tulip charm]

Well one you need a ceska piece somewhere

[gentle lichen]

You got 6 items that you can only roll 1 attribute on

[tulip charm]

also hb backpack kinda sucks

[gentle lichen]

This is detrimental for your crits immensely

[versed summit]

Iron lung 3rd stat?

[tulip charm]

oh can rpk or l86 run tech laser?

[woeful swift]

how different are the stats between the ak-m and the military ak-m?

[versed summit]

depends which one IIRC, but yes.

[versed summit]

67,227 vs 65,676 base damage. everything else is the same besides mods ofc.

[woeful swift]

does that take into account having the muzzle slot that the normal ak-m doesn't?

[versed summit]

nope just the base damage, the actual difference is build dependent.

[woeful swift]

okay, cool

i just realized i had a pretty decent military ak-m in my stash that i wanted to try out, only issue is having chc instead of dttoc

[tulip charm]

ak-m higher damage no muzzle so -5% chc

[versed summit]

on Striker's Military is about a % better with strained on both

[woeful swift]

okay, cool, that's perfect for me

[hexed steppe]

Ceska vigilance bag, coyote, and all crit stats/wd cores best damage iirc

But honestly should just run striker. Hb is limited and sub par in comparison...

[serene hare]

Which talent is good for AR to pair with Striker?

[solar sable]

imo, Strained

[serene hare]

I normally use it, but I wanna be sure this is actually a good option or what else can I use.

Dark Zone is the only way to farm money?

[onyx sage]

strained and fast hands

[final rivet]

Let's say I want to run System Corruption in DZ as a Solo, what would be a good Specialization to run with it?

[serene hare]

Honestly this shit here is disgusting

Haven't tried it in Countdown yet, but in DZ it melts everything.

[vapid bobcat]

hey guys my div2 kinda slow and laggy this week that its unplayable. any fix u guys know i can work on?

im on pc btw

[onyx sage]

not the channel to ask that

[signal pivot]

Is health or armor damage better for sniper builds?

[onyx sage]

armor damage or dttooc

health damage isn't worth it

[serene hare]

Follow their path, and seek some external sources to make your builds too

My sniper build have become extremely strong.

[signal pivot]

is legendary meant for 4 people? or is it soloable

[serene hare]

Trust me, you really gonna struggle doing solo.

You can do it, I think, but it's so damn stressful.

I rather to chop off a ballsack and keep only 2 than doing strongholds on legendary (or any mission, actually).

Maybe because my builds are not meant to work solo doing those kind of missions, but yeah.

[acoustic coral]

Legendary content ranked by how easy it is to learn/solo:

• Summit
• DUA
• Roosevelt
• Capitol
• Manning / Tidal

@onyx sage correct me if I'm wrong

[serene hare]

@onyx sage There are some rule that after fully optimizing a gear part, you can no longer modify it?

For some reason, I can't remove the HSD from my fox thing.

[acoustic coral]

What do you mean by that? And why did you tag him specifically?
You can fully optimize every stat on gear

Wait, hmm, that might be a thing, yeah.

[serene hare]

This is so dumb.

I need to get another one.

[acoustic coral]

Just get another pair of foxes, 1-2 runs of countdown and you'll have it

[hexed steppe]

Optimising locks the attribute/core

[acoustic coral]

I have 2 or 3 of them for different builds.

[serene hare]

That's so ass, Jesus Christ.

It makes no sense.

[hexed steppe]

Dont optimise pieces that arent set in stone

[acoustic coral]

It makes a lot of sense - but why would you reconfigure something you've optimized? lmao

[hexed steppe]

Simple

[serene hare]

Because builds and uses change.

[acoustic coral]

Exactly, so you have several fox's

[hexed steppe]

Well now you know what not to do when a piece needs to be flexible

[solar sable]

(buy a carrot, bite the carrot, don't like it, complain to the grocery for a refund)

[acoustic coral]

(some of the actual fruit focused stores will let you do that if it tastes bad 🤓 )

[serene hare]

Oh, makes sense to keep alternating it's stat until you fully optimize it, then.

[solar sable]

oh you mother... fine

[acoustic coral]

again, you'll have several fox's knees on you when you get further in the game.
for now, you learned - instead of complaining, go get a new one in countdown

[hexed steppe]

Like mentioned farm 3 more. Leave the hsd, then grab a chc ,chd, skill damage set and you're covered for foxs

[serene hare]

I'm already doing this, but I can't talk about it? Damn you.

[serene hare]

I know, doing it already.

[acoustic coral]

Talk all you want, but I just said to quit complain about something you cannot change and is rather logical once you think about it - and instead get 2-3 more that you'll have anyways for different builds.
Take a deep breath, eat a snack and enjoy the game. You're only SHD 150 pats

[acoustic coral]

She is doing quite fine now actually, atleast last I heard ❤️

So is your mom btw ;)

[solar sable]

I like your sense of humour, rudy

[gentle lichen]

You can sell the item you optimised then buy it back to remove the optimisation

[hexed steppe]

That, I did not know

[gentle lichen]

Sell then buy back

Optimisation go poof

I realised i initially mentioned the person who didn't need the advise desperately lol

[solar sable]

ah wait u alr did

[gentle lichen]

It also removes recalibration to make you tweak the piece in a different way than you initially did

[serene hare]

Are you sure it works?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i once used a fenris bag that i rolled armor and optimised but decided it wasn't good

Then i sold and bought back to keep the red core

[serene hare]

I'd kiss you if I could.

[hexed steppe]

probably a really handy trick for double rolling something like habsburg unicorns

[gentle lichen]

But you ain't getting the materials you put on the item to optimise it back

[serene hare]

No problem at all.

[hexed steppe]

thats fine

mats are cheap

[onyx sage]

tidal < manning imo but otherwise i agree yeah

[gentle lichen]

Say that to my matador i optimised the 2.7% chc and 8.9% chd to godroll

[hexed steppe]

wony run fixes all the cost

[serene hare]

I really need a better Ceska chestpiece, dammit.

[gentle lichen]

Sell your soul and buy it back

[hexed steppe]

tried that, the rolls were still terrible

[serene hare]

The thing is that the one I have isn't great, I only changed the talent.

[onyx sage]

soloable, enemy health and damage scale to solo so you definitely can. build, knowledge and skill are all you need, aside from summit all of legendary spawns are fixed

[serene hare]

Basically everything in my striker build is fine but this thing.

[gentle lichen]

If you're smg or elmo the dps isn't taking THAT much of a punch

[serene hare]

It is a CTAR-21

I'm keeping it because of the 4 crit mods

[onyx sage]

every gun can take those mods

the mods are pretty much universal

[serene hare]

Some don't go on it, and when they do, you only have 30 bullets.

[onyx sage]

you don't have all the blueprints then

[flint wave]

some guns have 3 mods it is what it is

[onyx sage]

you should be farming blueprints if you don't have all

[flint wave]

Also short and long rail prevents some mods from being attached

[serene hare]

I think I'm doing fine for now, it still only placeholding.

[onyx sage]

yeah i know, i'm just saying ctar taking crit mods is nothing special, a better gun also takes the same mods

[serene hare]

Honestly I like this one more.

The damage is pretty high and the fire rate is not as slow as an AK for example

[flint wave]

ROF matters because quite a few things require stacking

[serene hare]

I think this is my favorite AR so far, I've been using it for a long time.

I just wish the stats was a little bit stronger, but is working just fine.

[signal pivot]

Would it be better to farm heroic summit or legendary if Im trying to get a god roll model 700?

[serene hare]

There's any LMG in this game that is actually good?
Bluescreen seems interesting, but Idk, it's really worth it?

Bullet King is pretty bad, Pestilence is... weird (I remember seeing it working in the past, I think).

[onyx sage]

if you clear legendary fast then go for legendary

how fast is fast? if you take the same time as in heroic, it's fast

[tidal valve]

not entirely weird, it will be OP once you have status effect build

iirc, pestilence had a talent that has a damage per tick or i always called it DoT (Damage Overtime)

[serene hare]

Yes, and it's 100% scaled with weapon damage

What makes me a little bit annoyed with LMGs is to not be able to use with shields.

I can understand why, but the weapon somehow feels unsafe to use.

[onyx sage]

it has nothing to do with status effects

it scales off weapon damage and amps

[fresh grove]

Gunner for aok, Technician if you’re looking for the linked laser pointer

[tidal valve]

I kinda forgor 🤣 pestilence is not my kind of playstyle

[onyx sage]

me neither. some people enjoy it but it's too hands-off for me

[shy willow]

There's a handful

[serene hare]

I think Tabula Rasa is somewhat interesting, but Idk

[shy willow]

Sleipnir, RPK, L86, Iron Lung

I quite like new reliable

[shy willow]

Nah it's pretty useless cuz you can't proc in one mag

[serene hare]

That's why it's interesting, because the idea is good

But it's poorly designed, not working properly.

I think this is the LMG that made me kinda happy because of how much stable it is, but at the same time it feels kinda sluggish

[shy willow]

For an LMG to be good it needs a lot of burst DPS cuz you can't use the crusader with it so you're completely exposed when firing

[serene hare]

This is what makes me annoyed with LMGs

[onyx sage]

also the curse of the suppressed

[serene hare]

Ugh

[onyx sage]

iron lung is my only favorite lmg because it actively counteracts this drawback with burn

bluescreen works too but the low rpm sucks

[tawdry flare]

Iron lung also has the dps

[shy willow]

It's a pretty great gun but I don't see many use it

[tulip charm]

Its because of the lmg stigma

[marsh lion]

Im a returning player and want to start running raids. what builds am I to start farming?

[tulip charm]

It is currently the best exotic lmg in terms of dps and it can mitigate suppression

[tulip charm]

Striker

[marsh lion]

how many red and blue cores

[tulip charm]

Full red

[shy willow]

Don't need blues

[marsh lion]

memento?

[tulip charm]

No

[shy willow]

Healer will keep you alive

[shy willow]

Striker bag

[tulip charm]

Memento is not good in groups especially in raids

For Dark Hours run 4 pieces striker /w chest and back, coyotes mask (even though tons of people run it), and a ceska piece.

[marsh lion]

what about chest

kk

[shy willow]

No need run obliterate ceska

[tulip charm]

Iron Horse replace striker chest for ceska chest with obliterate

[shy willow]

And don't listen to anyone telling you you can't run strikers it's perfectly fine even if in one or two encounters it's hard to build stacks

[marsh lion]

what skills

[shy willow]

Crusader/striker shield and revive hive/decoy/assault turret

[onyx sage]

but last time i soloed legendary with 6 red striker i got called a cheater...

[flint wave]

undetected division hack

[onyx sage]

no one plays this game for thousands of hours, so i must be cheating

[shy willow]

Who tf

[shrewd scarab]

hi im kinda new in this game i just finishe the dlc and i want to get the striker gear where do i get that?

[onyx sage]

countdown on challenging, top right of DC map

select striker as targeted loot and play the mode

[shrewd scarab]

is it hard cuz i just reached level 40

[onyx sage]

no, challenging is easily carried by a few people in the lobby. there are 8 players in it

[shrewd scarab]

oh i see thank u

matchmaking is taking forever lol

[warm socket]

Is the ravonous mostly used for pvp or pve

[dull ermine]

Pve

Generally during the raids

[hazy steeple]

Forget matchmaking the majority of the time, just go straight to "call for backup", and then re-call when someone joins.

in the case of Countdown though, it should be working within seconds. Make sure you're on the right difficulty (Chall) and your group isn't set to "closed".

[deep cloak]

Some things don’t have the option , earlier I tried for Anderson and game said no

[timid plume]

What's the strongest smg in the game atm? Exotic or high end

[wanton hornet]

Ouroboros most likely {{citation needed}}

[wild cape]

Chatterbox?

[versed summit]

Ouro

[acoustic coral]

Bluescreen is specifically good for the BluescreenDilemma build from the sheets, but I don't see it having much use outside of that.

[acoustic coral]

shield in raid - depends who you run with, because it takes heals

[tawdry flare]

Blue screen for blue screen of death

[acoustic coral]

go back offline. don't you have a 5.11 joke to make

[tawdry flare]

I have not made one since 2 days

[acoustic coral]

Haven't seen you making a descent or fast hands joke either :kek

[timid plume]

is there a known percentage% drop rate of the St Elmo's engine?

[acoustic coral]

Same droprate as every other general loot pool exotic. RNG be RNG

AR exotics in the Target Loot pool:

• Chameleon
• St. Elmo's Engine
• Capacitor (if you have the blueprint)
  There's about 30 +- (depends on how many blueprints you've unlocked) in the Exotic Cache lootpool.

[tight isle]

Who had the most dmg here ?

[urban latch]

Toxic

You were second

[tight isle]

Why is my -number higher

The star only mean you got more stars in the category right

Or is it just glitched

[urban latch]

The level cap was 30 when the game came out, so the devs didn't expect to have us doing more than 2.1 billion damage, which is a common cap for coding reasons. So when we go over that it rolls over to negative 2.1 billion, and starts counting up from there

[tight isle]

So the one with the star on dmg allways has higher dmg

[urban latch]

Yeah it's correct in a round about way

[tight isle]

Ok thx

[real blade]

Guys saw some player blasting something and blinded the enemies. Is that a skills or build?

[sly gulch]

Blinder Firefly?

[real blade]

Ahhh okay thanks! I’ll try it later

[rich lotus]

@onyx sage can you hit me up when yo come around?

[onyx sage]

i'm out of town until tuesday

[rich lotus]

Just have a few questions.

[rich lotus]

What kind of build do you recommend to use for two people duoing DUA. Shield peek isn't viable any more and all I know are skill builds to complete it.

Legendary of course.

[onyx sage]

you can still third person peek, just have to practice doing it. but for duo you can do 1 striker 1 nego. the striker can do the primary damage while the nego role can take some more cover and take less fire

[rich lotus]

Ok. I'll see about a video to see if I can learn how to do the third person. I think I still remember the spots where you peek from.

[onyx sage]

get some practice and use 2 utility skills like sticky emp and decoy, instead of using a shield

yeah, feel free to visit my channel

the basic rule is this: stand just far enough from cover and peek out from it

[rich lotus]

I'm watching this video right now where this guy solos it using headhunter build.

[onyx sage]

headhunter strats are a lot different and riskier so probably not very applicable to striker roles

[rich lotus]

Yeah

Where's your channel?

[shy willow]

Search his name in brackets

[rich lotus]

That just pulls up chat

[versed summit]

it's linked in the profile

[rich lotus]

In his profile? I don't see a link in his profile. Either that or I don't know how to see his profile.

Only link I see is his banner source.

[inland plinth]

click on his image then click on it again if your on PC