td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

no because you still may not have enough

[flint wave]

I'm resident 25% chc proccer In countdown extraction

[blissful rampart]

no because the build lacks CHC rolls so cant fit fox in since its missing a stat slot. fox is only good if you dont need that chc roll on it as well. (also hes low SHD level too so no maxed chc watch

[rich lotus]

Welp then time to run coyote's lol I just have the norm build with no coyotes bcs yk average copium cd brain will always have 4-5 people running it lol

[dull ermine]

In your case I’d run grupo + ceska for maximum uptime of crit. Coyotes is good but grupo active all the time

[onyx sage]

i always run coyote because of people thinking someone else will run it

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, I know, I have a few versions of the BluescreenDilemma I can swap between depending on the amount of coyote's ^^

[flint wave]

I always run coyote because I'm not inspecting the builds everytime

[dull ermine]

What if there are 4 coyotes 👁️

[blissful rampart]

personally i always run coyotes too because i aint counting on someone else to have it and keep my buff up 🤣

[acoustic coral]

I just look for the buff :3

[flint wave]

It's pinching pennies anyway if there's 4 dudes with the mask

[dull ermine]

@blissful rampart what is the plural of moose

[vestal ibex]

It's a flow, get ceska/grupo then farm coyotes, put your grupo as mask. Swap when needed.

[onyx sage]

then it's not the end of the world. it's less so than having no one run coyote lol

[blissful rampart]

meese

😛

[onyx sage]

reese's pieces

[flint wave]

moss

[rich lotus]

Or just run 6pc 511

[onyx sage]

mice

[rich lotus]

I spot some 511 haters

[onyx sage]

omg i got a crit chance crit damage 5.11 backpack yesterday on my alt and i hate it

[rich lotus]

It must be a sign

Time to put it to good use

[onyx sage]

forever in my stash

[vestal ibex]

I hate that there has probably been some new person that ran with it and you guys ruined the game for them.

At some point it turns from meme to troll.

[rich lotus]

I mean that's on them at that point lol

[flint wave]

True

[vestal ibex]

Then people complain when they see a 5.11 build and have to carry them in pubs.

[dull ermine]

Did you see the double crit glass cannon chest I found 😂

If that 60% health was the first brandset I’d take it every time

Fragile armor

[flint wave]

The only people that run 6pc anything nowadays unironically are div1 grandpas

[rich lotus]

Sounds like it's 511 issues they gotta figure out themselves lol

[rich lotus]

Hey I don't do that

[dull ermine]

6 pc > ninjabike

[flint wave]

5pc + ninjabike > 6pc

[dull ermine]

Imagine it counted as a double

[vestal ibex]

I had to check if nerfking changed his name and PFP...

[rich lotus]

[tawdry flare]

Who is nerfking

[vestal ibex]

Some dude who has one meme that makes their entire existence.

[flint wave]

no that's gogamer

[rich lotus]

Wouldn't this be the ultimate TTK build for countdown adding up first+second coyote's proc from group + DTTOC on ouro

50% chc

Contractors unless it's a spot with dogs

[tawdry flare]

No bloody knuckles

[dull ermine]

Hollow man mask

[rich lotus]

I'll run out of nades before we finish the first area rofl

[blissful rampart]

if its dog spot, just swap to AR

[dull ermine]

No u

Vector

[vestal ibex]

Does the AR health make up for funk CHC?

[rich lotus]

But if no dogs would this be the best Armor ttk build?

[blissful rampart]

hmmmm

[rich lotus]

Completely disregarding range ofc

I remember someone saying that six12 was like best ttk

On strikers

[blissful rampart]

might need ceska over contractors in above build. at that point

[vestal ibex]

If you can hit all the pellets.

[rich lotus]

Yeah no ar swap since I'll pretty much be abusing ouro crit chance

[flint wave]

acs and six12 yes

[rich lotus]

besides I can melt dogs with this anyways even more if i just swap contractors to fox's

[flint wave]

Acs makes you barrel stuff enemies

[onyx sage]

i can still six12 roosevelt dog stage, you don't need AR for that

[blissful rampart]

also IMHO if not using Coyotes on strikers then go DCH or bloody, much better then contractors for overall use.

[flint wave]

can u stick ur six12 inside the dog

[rich lotus]

Would have a better ttk than even ouro?

[flint wave]

yes

[rich lotus]

[onyx sage]

nah i don't even bother

[blissful rampart]

DCH + D50 still a pocket nuke and bloody for the nich frag mega burst combo

[patent fossil]

Scorpio with dtoc is also top dps now I think?

[rich lotus]

How long does bloody last again

I forgor

[tawdry flare]

5.11 seconds

[rich lotus]

My beauty

[rich lotus]

511 slaps cross your face

[vestal ibex]

[Lies](#td2-general-chat message)

[rich lotus]

Lies and deception

[patent fossil]

'avid Elmos hater' has an exp 14 elmos in their inventory?

[rich lotus]

I CAN EXPLAIn

Nvm I can't but that's besides the point

Fuck elmos regardless

[patent fossil]

'keep your enemies closer'

[rich lotus]

My hatred for the gun started mostly because of how annoying it made to pvp

Now I just tolerate it

[steel rampart]

“Lies and deception”

I have no animosity for the Elmo but the eb on the other hand….

I have extreme prejudice and hold such a deep level of hatred one would normally reserve for legendary drone operators against the eagle bearer (often times referred to as the trash bearer, pigeon bearer, or the extra steps exotic component)

I’d rather use the sacrum imperium with 6 piece 5.11……

Regardless of dtoc it’s still awful. The devs nerfed it into the ground…6 feet deep where it should stay. Let the dead rest in peace.

Its only used nowadays for an exotic component and as a malicious lure to get unknowing players to try dark hours.

Some people dream of it having a potential for PvP. That is until they realize that they aren’t dreaming…they are at the pearly gates. They were unfortunately one of many shredded by the Ouroboros

[rich lotus]

Welp if you do run it you might as well get some damage to proc that thing often

I got the elmos to that point to test it vs eb exactly to see how it goes solo on the same build

Elmos is just much confier to use overall but I do miss eb proc often

[patent fossil]

Eh, I've been using EB in solo light zone and it's not terrible, damage reduction allows a lot of face tanking and damage is sufficient to cut through most things. Accuracy is a pain point so have to get closer of course.

[rich lotus]

Eb with a good build and you can make a server whine lol

Maybe even make some people tick some boxes on

Just pray people don't swap over to reg 3 tapper

[patent fossil]

3b 4r 1y striker memento build and I'll crit for over 1m when stacks are up, burns through a spawn of heroic elites in no time

[rich lotus]

P much what I use

If you use eb with strikers you just don't care much about the damage nerf even if youre using blue cores

Def has a lot more of an impact diff on pvp though compared to pve

[steel rampart]

In my LOTR Gollum voice -

Yesss yesss my precious come closer come closer, you can face tank us, we promises not to hurt you
—Ouro-now you’re at the pearly gates. Face tanking didn’t work and now we have the ring and your loot

[acoustic coral]

I'll call it the pigeon bearer from now on, thanks!
That along with the game being named Tom Gary, because that's what one of my friends miscalled it as

[patent fossil]

Note that at no point did I say I had any interest in pvp. I don't think I'd even be inclined to use it in groups.

[half cosmos]

Ok so i made the red nd build yes its ttk is faster than my meme build but its not that different? Are sub stats THAT imp?

[devout agate]

I need help making a chatarsis build

For just dps in pvp and survivablilty

[versed summit]

Depends on the stat

[half cosmos]

They are mainly chc and chd but not full

[versed summit]

Yeah those are important ones

[half cosmos]

Chest is oblitrate as i cannot survive glass canon

[versed summit]

Yeah obliterate compares pretty well to glass cannon depending on the build, so that’s fine.

[half cosmos]

Also why does my chamelion feel weak?

I am offline for the day but when i am on Will send the build and stats

[fossil plinth]

Hey I’m trying to figure out a build for the shield breaker and looking online hasn’t really helped me out

[versed summit]

Shield Splinterer? I assume so. It fits onto most AR crit builds. you could slot it into a normal Striker build which you can find in the pinned spreadsheet.

[versed summit]

It takes a while to build its stacks, if those stacks aren't activated, it's the worst AR

[fossil plinth]

Yea that’s the one and honestly it’s not that bad running without striker

[versed summit]

if you want to run something besides Striker's you can find some other builds on that spreadsheet that may work for you.

[fossil plinth]

Alright thank you

[half cosmos]

Can u suggest a talent on a ar or smg preferably to go with ND?

Also i have a simmilar tech OD build with scorpion shotgun (i have truma chest peice to help the ball rolling)

[versed summit]

Fast Hands, optimist or strained

[half cosmos]

Welp i think i have a few weps on that hehe

While nd does more damage od feels more fun

[versed summit]

It is pretty fun

[half cosmos]

Especially when i run the no starter ammo directive 2 kill and infi ammo

[rich lotus]

Shit rolled but about time

I can finally say that I have it

And vile was also a mask I was missing somehow so now +1 too

[hexed steppe]

not god rolled, decon and refarm

[rich lotus]

I was waiting for it rofl

I'm still gonna keep farming I need one with both crit

Them dudes I got it from are prob fuming

[hexed steppe]

this one skill damage

[rich lotus]

Yup

Red core + crits possible but I need one with armor n crits

Back to farming I go

[hexed steppe]

i only have 1 more setup to craft and all alts will have a hazpro ep cc build. i been finding a lot of people on f100 lately when matchmaking to get my floors done. annoying af now, but this makes the fight pretty manageable, regardless of what everyone else is running. shock traps would replace the sticky

[lucid wolf]

so i'm trying to build a armor regen for dark zone with heatshot damage since i'm using eagle bearer

any recommendation?

should i consider the armor regen and head shot damage atrribute? or just focus on critical hit chance and damage

so as hazard pro for pvp

[wise swallow]

ignore crit exists on a regen pro build. Use big horn if possible and swap to EB when needed.

Dont use armour regen attributes its overall a waste. Just use regen brand sets (or emperors guard) and haz pro.

Run everyday carrier, perfect efficient is quite good.

[lucid wolf]

so haz pro build defo with headshot
and armor regen just on crit hit chance and damage?

am i right?

and what brandset should i use for armor regen , and haz pro?

[rich lotus]

Armor regen sets with attributes of hazpro

Gila, golan, belstone tec etc

[wise swallow]

Just regen is kinda pointless unless your a farmer using momento

Regen haz pro and headshot is quite strong

[lucid wolf]

ok

[wise swallow]

I like using contractors, everyday carrier, 2 golan, yhaal and emp.

all haz and headshot rolls. Adrush on the backpack

and big horn

swapping to EB if i need to fight more then 2

and have a reliable way to not die/have teammates

[lucid wolf]

cus i research abt haz pro build , and see ppl use 1 yhaal , 2 cheska, picaro, grupo

[wise swallow]

you can do that

itll be worse DPS wise (if you can reliably hit heads) and wont have any regen

[lucid wolf]

ah ok

[wise swallow]

Unless your gonna use ouro

[lucid wolf]

nah

[stiff jasper]

Regen truly benefits when you make combat time longer and longer
As odder say, armor regen attribute are waste, meanwhile, if you don't have enough hazapro, you still get focus fire once you can't move by status effect

[covert meadow]

Can some one explain why I just lost a Bounty on heroic with this build?

[tulip charm]

Skill issue and running striker chest is a waste for that kind of stuff

Its should be a ceska chest with obliterate

[covert meadow]

@tulip charm Yeah I kinda figure something was off, I've blown through heroic bounty in the past with the obliterate setup, but I seen a friend running this and I seen how much more chd it had opposed to mine maxed btw so I built it and although it seemed to kindaaa melt it dint melt like it did with obliterate

[fickle light]

obliterate versions of that dps build have their damage faster, while strikers chest versions have more damage overall, but slower

[covert meadow]

Yeah the damage looked slower when I was shooting, that's exactly how it looked @fickle light

I'm now 161 chd and 58 chc with obliterate setup maxed

[tulip charm]

Well you need 150+ stacks to make it better than obliterate setup iirc

[covert meadow]

Firewall Spec

[tulip charm]

The chd should be the same tho

[covert meadow]

Yeah it went down, and pieces are maxed at each attribute ...

[acoustic coral]

The normal striker build for regular content:
Coyote mask
Ceska obliterate chest
4pc striker
With Elmo equipped: 52%CHC 173%CHD

[tulip charm]

Hes using groupo

Its fine unless you want to min max

[covert meadow]

I just changed it and each piece is maxed..

[acoustic coral]

Swap 6% CHC for 12% CHD - you have coyote's mask on, you will mostly be in mid-range

[covert meadow]

Now it puts me full over 60 chc and 149 chd, when I switch the mod off the coyotes mask

[acoustic coral]

What? You went the wrong way :))

[covert meadow]

Yup lol this is what I'm saying

[versed summit]

Lose a CHC roll and get a CHD roll

[tulip charm]

xd

[acoustic coral]

52%CHC 173%CHD
Then you get to 60%CHC 183%CHD with Coyote Mid-Range

[covert meadow]

Ok do me a huge favor I know I'm not going crazy, just foe a quick second...cone here

You can see live what I'm saying

[acoustic coral]

Build with stats

[acoustic coral]

With this build, right here, your stats are supposed to be
52% CHC
173% CHD

You are at:
58% CHC
161% CHC

Ergo, you need to drop 6% CHC and gain 12% CHD with a gear mod.

[covert meadow]

Ok @acoustic coral so your running 1 chc really

[acoustic coral]

No CHC mods

[covert meadow]

Ok so right now I'm at that base 173 chd n 52 chc

My understanding is way off, I thought we always had to be closer to 60 or full 60 to get the maximum melt current when shooting @acoustic coral

[fickle light]

you are at 60 with coyote's mask

[acoustic coral]

^

[covert meadow]

Oh so it's a hidden 60

[fickle light]

its not even hidden, go read the talent on your mask

please

[covert meadow]

Yeah 30 n 30 I see now so really, there's no way technically of going past 172 chd because if the rolls

[acoustic coral]

I'm gonna find the void

[shy willow]

Coyote's gives a bonus 25 percent CHD at close range, 10 at mid

[covert meadow]

Right

[shy willow]

^

[covert meadow]

Now this hits way harder than the 176 chd 60 full that's kinda crazy

With less extra ammunition from cross bow and turret

[lucid wolf]

so recommend using brandset that gives you armor regen and focus on hazpro attribute

[primal horizon]

hello all, hoping to get some advice... when running a 4pc striker with an oblite chest and coyote mask, is it better to go with ceska or grupo?

funny enough, I saw people talking about the same stuff above

looks like it's better to be under crit cap with more chd than to be over cap and ceska

[lucid wolf]

it all depends your weapon choice at the end

[solar sable]

Ceska is a great option and what the guy above said also 👆

[tulip charm]

Ceska until you you use an he smg

[serene hare]

Not really god roll, but I think it will do it.

I just wish the hds was higher, but this is ok, I guess.

I'll only roll other Nemesis, this is remain as it is (fuck, I'll have to farm another Nemesis...)

The damage is getting higher and higher, I'm kinda glad.

[half cosmos]

I am thinking of making a bee pistol focused build for the memes

Also what other set is good would u recomend other than od and nd ? I almost have a eclips set

[hazy steeple]

Do you have a Strikers setup yet? That's the current DPS "meta".

change the chest to strikers and the knees to foxs if you're running the Incursion/Legendary.```

[tawdry flare]

Hey rivens have you seen the new meele meta ?

[serene hare]

There is such a thing?

[stiff jasper]

Please don't tell me kamikaze

[tawdry flare]

No it's a Japanese youtuber that completed dua legendary Melee only in 17 hrs

Without actually shooting a bullet

[hazy steeple]

If the question is "hey rivens have you seen a youtuber who" the answer will most likely be "no".

[tawdry flare]

Wanna see this one ?

[hazy steeple]

Nty.

[stiff jasper]

Imagine after you say melee meta, I go youtube and click every latest melee build video i haven't watch before, all of them build shit, or play shit, or both

[tawdry flare]

Melee Meta

[serene hare]

This look so weird, ngl.

[tawdry flare]

Why

[serene hare]

Also, what makes this stand out so much to be considered "meta"?

[tawdry flare]

It's the player's skill and dedication that is standout

[serene hare]

This doesn't make it meta.

[dull ermine]

You know the sound on tik tok “they look like every other bi…”

That makes it meta

[serene hare]

Not really, never installed it.

[dull ermine]

Meta as in cookie cutter really

[serene hare]

But yeah, like... Idk, my build (that's not even optimized) seems more useful.

[dull ermine]

No originality just an attempt for maximum dps output etc

[hazy steeple]

Meta doesn't mean "cookie cutter" or "standard". Meta means that it performs incredibly well at the job it's set out to do.

Otherwise an all purple build in Legendary is "meta" as long as the person is bored enough.

[dull ermine]

Bruv has to wait 15 seconds for a kill 😭

[tawdry flare]

Look at him melee chunga

[coral quiver]

anyway I can improve this? My SHD level is low so not sure if this is the best atm. I usually play solo hence the memento which helps for armor. (usually run gunner but trying to level up technician atm)

[versed summit]

Ceska is an easy upgrade from Grupo here. You may have to move some CHC around but it’ll help you eek some more damage out of this.

Other than that. There’s not a lot of ways to improve this without changing what the build does

[coral quiver]

cheers. didn't even realise I had the grupo on, thanks for that haha. ceska is now on sir

[dull ermine]

Interesting the deflector shield was funny af to me tho 😂

[rich lotus]

Legendary chest drop

🫤

[acoustic coral]

I'm dropping everything, deleting all my gear and farming this. New meta guys /s

[tawdry flare]

Drop your name too change it to meele Meta

[acoustic coral]

New name gonna be Stattrak-Karambit

[shy willow]

May you one day be blessed with blue jem karambit

[acoustic coral]

Don't talk to me like that 😭

[shy willow]

Nah I'll ring up Gaben

[acoustic coral]

😳👉👈

While you're calling him, am I getting the rare blue gem pattern worth $1.5M?

Or just the "regular" one worth 1/10th?

[shy willow]

📞"Gaben, Naval. FN blue jem Karambit with the lowest float you can code in, in Rudy's inventory before you release any game ending in the number 3. While you're at it just throw in a blue jem AK or howl M4 or something idk."📞

I genuinely don't understand why they're worth so much tbh who is paying this much for these

[tawdry flare]

Elon Musk of steam

[glossy scarab]

i just heard the imperial march/darth vader's theme from the empire strikes back. out of nowhere. someone must have invoked the name of the twitter terror

maybe the benny hill theme would be more fitting

[winged oar]

its very funny there are very recent exotics released centered entirely around melee when its one of the most unsafe moves that this game heavily punishes in the end game difficulties

[glossy scarab]

ive been seeing some videos of melee builds/tactics being used in pvp to some really annoying looking effectiveness

[hazy steeple]

thousand monkeys and all that

[serene hare]

What is the brand of "The Gift", Airaldi?

[onyx sage]

providence, but most likely you don't need it

providence isn't a preferred brand for sniper setups

[serene hare]

Yeah, I see, the buff is "get 1 sec faster reset"

fuck it, I'll keep my backpack, it's good enough.

[onyx sage]

yeah

[serene hare]

I need to learn how to lvl up this Proficiency thing tho, I have no idea.

[fierce garnet]

Use the gear, donate marked as junked or use resources

[serene hare]

Oh wait

I think my build is alright, Idk, maybe I really just need to optimize it.

[fierce garnet]

I wouldn't focus on optimizing. At that shd level I'd just be farming for multiple builds first

[serene hare]

Cool, there's a cheater in the invaded Dark Zone...

Ngl, I'm pretty sad.

[fierce garnet]

Not cheating

Dudes about to get melted the instant he misses

[serene hare]

If shooting through walls with an automatic bolt action sniper rifle is not cheating, Idk what is.

[glossy scarab]

you should always blur out the name of the person whose build you post

some rule about witchhunts or something maybe

[serene hare]

I actually don't care at this point.

[hazy steeple]

Thankfully we do, so follow the guidelines or there will be consequences.

[serene hare]

How scary.

Whatever, fuck this.

[hexed steppe]

Just roll the haste to weapon handling and you're good

[fair quiver]

Been having fun in Conflict with this build

[finite anvil]

if i reconfigure a strikers piece what do i want in its place CHC?

[hazy steeple]

It depends if you still need the chc once you have ceska+coyotes on there.

[glossy scarab]

understanding how to balance your chc and chd is a really easy thing to learn

i recommend it

[hazy steeple]

I like to look at crit stats backwards, it helps you see why having as close to the ideal cap is so important.

[finite anvil]

and i can only modiy a piece once?

[hazy steeple]

You can only recalibrate a single stat on a piece, after that you can change that one stat as many times as you want, but the other stats are locked forever.

that is per piece.
Exotics are a different situation, just to make that clear.

[finite anvil]

tyvm i messed that up

[night yarrow]

are there any brands in particular that would help me build a build involving bulwark shield?

[versed summit]

typically the Bulwark is fine, and you really want to focus on making yourself tanky enough. if you need a tankier shield artificer is crazy for that

[whole grotto]

Need help with my dilemma build any ideas

[hexed steppe]

use the nego bag/coyote mask. most likely grupo chest. push chc to 60 and pick a solid ar and rifle. strained and boomerang or if using tech flatline on both.

you can also memento bag but will probably need ceska chest instead of grupo.
regardless, its always important to have nego as close to 60% crit chance cap as possible

nego is 😍

there is also a couple nego setups on the spreadsheet pinned to this channel

[whole grotto]

Where can I find the spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

tech class free yellow core, memento back gives 2 shield tiers, picaros holster left blue or rolled skill tier gives another shield tier.
artificer hive listed above is solid for bulwark,

i use this type of setup attached. 6red core, 4 shield tiers, 3 skill tiers for artificer and 1 blue core* for agent
shield is around 9.8mil but as you stack memento efficiency it raises to over 12 mil. artificers skill repair is 48% iirc, and raises to 58% with memento efficiency

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message
also look for the pin at the top. possibly on a right side drag over on mobile app

[night yarrow]

lucky me I just get the picaro blueprint

[hexed steppe]

if doing a pistol build for bulwark you might look into liberty exotic pistol
not really sure the purpose of the build, but thats the cheapest way i found to boost the bulwark while leaving 4 spots free for w/e setup

[night yarrow]

I already use it lmao

my buiild is nowhere near organized but it works for now

(backpack is the named version)

[patent elm]

Wtf am I looking at

[night yarrow]

I can explain any piece to you if you need explanation

[glossy scarab]

the aegis?

[night yarrow]

highest armor piece I had on hand

[glossy scarab]

ah

[night yarrow]

I said its not complete

[patent elm]

Yea i don't think you can tbh

[night yarrow]

okay, try me

[patent elm]

Just do yourself a favor and go farm some actual gear please

[night yarrow]

what part you got a problem with?

[patent elm]

Everything

[versed summit]

What’s firewall for?

[patent elm]

You cannot even call that a build, it's just some random pieces without any synergy or purpose thrown together

[night yarrow]

group bonuses

[night yarrow]

I said it aint near complete

[patent elm]

It hasn't even started

[glossy scarab]

dont take it personally. we were all new before we werent

[versed summit]

What group buff?

[patent elm]

Benefits for other players in your group

[glossy scarab]

the shield is a group buff

potentially

[patent elm]

Only the firewall shield though

[glossy scarab]

yeah i thought thats what the spec was

[patent elm]

They're using bulwark

[glossy scarab]

oh my bad

just went back and looked at it again

[onyx sage]

yeah the tactical links

[patent elm]

I guess the 10m buff is there but it's just worse than Demo buff

[night yarrow]

I would use demo but firewall gives shield mods

[versed summit]

Yes that’s what a group buff is but I was thinking more specifically.

[glossy scarab]

i think the specialization is the last part of this problem

[night yarrow]

agreed

[onyx sage]

firewall is really only used if you want the medkit and damage buff from striker shield. the group buffs aren't why you use them because they're too specific and conditional

[night yarrow]

note that I use bloody knuckles

this is a very get up in their face build

[onyx sage]

regardless of that

firewall isn't a group buff spec

[glossy scarab]

dont you just wish you could go thru someone elses inventory and see wtf is going on

[night yarrow]

I don't think you would have the time

[onyx sage]

nah that's nothing

[glossy scarab]

na thats easy

[versed summit]

That’s not a lot lol

[onyx sage]

we can look thru and instantly tell you whether it's keep or trash

we already have it figured out

[patent elm]

I'm like 90% sure you could just trash everything

[glossy scarab]

likely. but there also might be an actual build in there somewhere

cant know. dang it

[solar sable]

this gives me the ick.

[glossy scarab]

you're late to the dogpile

[solar sable]

ik, i was on CD

[night yarrow]

whats wrong with the holster?

[glossy scarab]

if its picaros then thats sometimes a good holster. but its not about the holster

its just a lack of direction really. it doesnt know what it wants to be

[acoustic coral]

This is the nicest way of saying this - sure it might give the group a buff, but I sure as hell hope I'm not getting into a group with... that

[night yarrow]

also I love how yall are shitting on my setup when I said in said same image that it is nowhere near organized

[acoustic coral]

Doesn't matter, it is build advice and there is no way to advice you other than - please don't.

[glossy scarab]

thats not good advice at all

[night yarrow]

80% of it wasn't even advice

[versed summit]

It’s hard to quantify a build like that. It just, doesn’t have synergy. Look at the builds other people are making than apply it to your own builds.

[night yarrow]

well I don't even know what keywords I could use to search for said builds

[acoustic coral]

I want to ask you if you've gotten some of the builds together from the sheet - because it is very clear to me that you just don't know what you're doing - and that's fine, we all started there. That build has no direction at all, it has no purpose.
You want to utilise getting up close with the shield for the buff? You either want to run Hunter's Fury or some tank build from the sheet.
Bloody Knuckles? It has a special use case for raids I think? Otherwise, nah.

Like, I know it was a hard way of saying it, but if your intention is to join a group (so they could get the buff from Firewall), then please do so with a proper build, because I'm gonna be carrying your ass and just annoyed you scaled up the enemies without bringing anything to the table.

The pinned sheet is your go to, the bible of TD2 building

[versed summit]

Pinned sheet. Also you’re pretty active here, I’m sure you’ve seen what good builds and bad builds look like.

[night yarrow]

never seen a bulwark build in my life

[fickle light]

bulwark build = tank build. guarantee you its in the sheet

[dull ermine]

The thing is your setup currently doesn’t indicate attempt at making pieces synergize.

For instance if you were to run 3 pieces of providence, doesn’t matter which, you’d have significant buffs

If you want an attempt to start in the right direction farm for pieces that will give you buffs not armor or weapon damage that’s base stats

Just 4 pieces hunters fury alone is significant

[night yarrow]

as I stated IN THAT SAME POST: "my buiild is nowhere near organized but it works for now"

it is a build being used for grinding pieces for a bulwark build

[versed summit]

Well that tells you a lot about the bulwark, it’s pretty niche

[shy willow]

This is build advice, where people tell you how to git gud your build

[fickle light]

Then why show it? If you arent looking for advice, why post it in the build advice channel?

[dull ermine]

I’m not even shit posting I’m just trying to say there’s a direction you need to figure out

[shy willow]

What even was the build

[dull ermine]

If you’re looking for an armor build, go armor, damage, go red

[night yarrow]

yall are only now giviing me some actual advice, when I posted that literally every singular message was just "wow, thats shit"

[fickle light]

Our advice was "that build makes no sense, what is it trying to do?" and you retort with "its not done yet!" and we cant even start to decipher what its trying to be.

[night yarrow]

"it is a build being used for grinding pieces for a bulwark build"

[onyx sage]

this is the original question

let's be productive and try to answer this first

[dull ermine]

Focus on the purpose of the build > talents > rolls

[shy willow]

If you wanna use the bulwark generally it's either run with headhunters fury or a foundry tank variant

PFE tanks and whatnot probably use it too

[solar sable]

@shy willow ^

[onyx sage]

the nature of the bulwark is either you have to make it extremely tanky for it to be worth using or it to be tanky enough to survive a few hits to let you deal damage more comfortably

[shy willow]

Oh no😭

[onyx sage]

the former, you forgo damage stats, the latter, you forgo defensive stats

the former is also less useful in content because it doesn't help the team

[dull ermine]

Also while you’re low level and making builds, you’re gaining specialization points, max out each specialization so when you are ready to maximize your build you don’t have to go back and do this part

[glossy scarab]

for the record I didn't say that. i wont let you say "literally everyone" when it wasnt

[shy willow]

With tanks it's your lifeline with DPS it's a stopgap

[shy willow]

^ definitely do the invaded stuff to get your specialisations levelled

[night yarrow]

okay you were the one person that didn't do anything

[acoustic coral]

I also focused my comments on "group buffs" then gave a longer reply with HF and tank reference for the sheet

[shy willow]

Regardless, you have been given some great advice now, best to put it to good use

[glossy scarab]

i feel you though. i thought it was a bit harsh. although i doubt many of those messages were intended to be an attack but some were written in a way that could make you think that was the case

[acoustic coral]

I speak it how I see it - if you got, whatever that is, and you do it to give group buffs, your intention has to be grouping and I'd rather not.
I know it can seem daunting at first @night yarrow but the sheets is your goto for learning how builds are put together - by putting together already tested and proven builds.
I don't mind screwing around and finding out once you get the hang of things - that's what's exciting about this game. There's just no reason, when we have such a good resource, not to look in it.

[shy willow]

A build I ran for a long time was HF w Ridgeway's and sadist, which was fun but it doesn't stack up to other stuff

[onyx sage]

have you tried an off-meta variant that uses headhunter

[shy willow]

I have it saved as a preset

Not good enough with it to run it in legendary but I get by in heroic ish

[rich lotus]

RUDooooooolph

[shy willow]

Tryna get better

[onyx sage]

[rich lotus]

When are we doing incursion you need to see gate strat

[onyx sage]

when are we doing legendary

[rich lotus]

Which

[shy willow]

✝️✝️✝️

[rich lotus]

[shy willow]

Tidal or manning id assume

[rich lotus]

I'm down for whatever

[onyx sage]

have you done zoo this week

[rich lotus]

Yes but idm doing it again

[onyx sage]

how fast was the run

[rich lotus]

Idk I soloq and got into a team at the end that was stuck there

[onyx sage]

hmm...

[rich lotus]

Don't remember the stats besides the striker guy complaining about my build when he was running a scrambled mess of a striker build with bullet king

[dull ermine]

So with strikers shield how does firewall work to buff team?

[onyx sage]

there are 2 cones that show up when you use the shield

[rich lotus]

x enemies up front / x members behind

[dull ermine]

Is that independent of the tactical link?

[onyx sage]

if you're a teammate and you stand in the cone behind the shield user you get the buff

and yes

[dull ermine]

And is there a cap to the multiplier?

[onyx sage]

the multiplier that scales with number of enemies in shield?

[dull ermine]

Yes

[onyx sage]

not that i've heard of

but 11% is enough strong, it's stronger than a weapon talent behind flatline

[dull ermine]

Do you run flatline on strikers?

Or fast hands?

[onyx sage]

depends

if i run tech i run flatline but i rarely do

[dull ermine]

I generally run strained cuz it’s independent of like damage effects such as pulse or bleed

[onyx sage]

yeah, i run strained on AR and fast hands on shotgun now

[dull ermine]

But I’ve been considering Ranger

Specifically for areas such as DUA

[onyx sage]

not worth

you don't want to compromise your mid and close range damage

[dull ermine]

Ah, I figured constant amp dmg would be good

Say for example when fighting rogue agents

If using M1A shield

[onyx sage]

i'm going to show you a weird trick

[dull ermine]

This I must see

I’ve been using super 90 fast hands on hunters in countdown

Never seen hunters been so fragile

[onyx sage]

you can abuse this against rogues and hunters. they will keep trying to shoot you

[dull ermine]

Oh lol yea I’ve been kind of doing that with cover since your gun aims to the right

That’s pretty cool tho

Did you intend to do that or were u going to fight the hunter another way

I struggle with that one

[onyx sage]

no that's the actual way i go about doing it

[shy willow]

The secret peak

[onyx sage]

the dark arts.

[dull ermine]

If you shoot an EMP sticky while running technician can u avoid disruption with faraday

[onyx sage]

no, it doesn't count as a deployable skill

[dull ermine]

What about scanner drone and send it to that area?

[onyx sage]

but uh i guess you can't be disrupted twice in a row if you're already disrupted so you can intentionally disrupt yourself with it?

that only works if the environment disrupts you only in a single burst tho

self disrupt from emp sticky still lasts super long

[dull ermine]

So for a curious thought is vigilance better for strikers at lower stacks? In this environment where using acs would be dangerous?

[onyx sage]

vigilance just starts losing once you reach 25 stacks with striker backpack

plus it loses even further once you factor in team buffs or obliterate/focus

[dull ermine]

Okay, I like strikers cuz it’s the one set you deal constant dmg without need for vigilance … cuz to me vigilance is very finicky

That’s without a shield

[onyx sage]

it's basically god tier because it doesn't rely on vigilance imo

[dull ermine]

I wish concussion was a longer buff

[onyx sage]

but same goes for nego. only difference is the way i play, i need single target damage

[dull ermine]

I like nego but I find it struggles on single target as well

Which is why I run vigilance over nego bp

[shy willow]

It's the best multi target DPS in the game if you find yourself marking 3 at a time often

[dull ermine]

I generally do even when not running it cause I alternate targets depending on what they’re doing

So it works very good for that when running vigilance

[serene hare]

Is Chainkiller even worth farming? It doesn't even buff the final damage.

[shy willow]

It is absolutely worth farming

[serene hare]

It caps at 1250%.

Like the normal Headhunter.

[shy willow]

Buffs weapon damage and stacks faster

[serene hare]

Loses the 15% headshot damage of having 2 Airaldi tho.

[shy willow]

Headshot damage doesn't scale with headhunter

Base damage does

[serene hare]

Doesn't need to, does it?
Headshot bonus damage still counts by having more of it.

Or am I missing something?

[shy willow]

Base Bullet damage x WD x TWD x (CHD+HSD) x DTOOC x (DTA or DTH) x Amp 1 x amp 2 and so on

You already have like 300 headshot damage so adding 15 percent isn't gonna up your damage a lot

Walker Harris gives 5 percent weapon damage which scales w headhunter

Not sure what the formula for that is but it certainly gives you more damage than 2 airaldi

[serene hare]

A bit less than 190% actually, 300% is was because this game counts all weapons together for some reason.

No, wait.

I honestly have no idea what I did for the game to set my HSD to 300%, that damage was not true.

I just know that now it is 202%.

[shy willow]

Snipers have a lot of innate headshot damage

[serene hare]

How do I level up my level to get more proficiency?

I have 5 gears and weapons that are lvl 10, but my level is 1.

[shy willow]

Become proficient with more items to level up expertise

[serene hare]

I leveled up the itens but my level still stuck in 1

[shy willow]

^

Check the expertise menu in the tinkering station to see how many proficiency levels you need to level your expertise

[sudden fog]

on like expertise 3

[raven summit]

any lmg users that can reccomend builds?

[flint tiger]

heres mine, not finished with it yet but i think its decent so far

gotta swap the gloves and backpack tho

everything is crit chance/dmg

[raven summit]

thanks man ill try this once i farmed for it. having a hard time doing challenging missions alone but maybe because im still low shd lvl

[warm knot]

I got Matador with max chd and wd from a box, idk in which sort of build I would use it... But since I'm a memento hater maybe I could use an intimidate W&H chest and 4 hf pieces. WD+DTA or (badger + 10% shotgun dmg) for a shotguns only HF build. I need suggestions, bc this looks super strong, I'm 1shoting a purple enemy with tsunami *(max possible dmg).

Is there a better way to do this?

Also for the mods, idk what I should use.

[warm knot]

It doesn't works as good as in division 1 tho. You could do this from any cover.

[onyx sage]

it's the best we got

[warm knot]

Did you mean "that YOU got"? Bc I got scorpio

Jk, jk.

[onyx sage]

i mean, scorpio only lasts so long, and hunter AI is just that simple

it's done a lot in pvp and legendary as well

[dull ermine]

Well hello there I do indeed appreciate someone with a finish more flashy than mine

I run this build too it’s awesome

[dull ermine]

How does this perform

[bright raptor]

outside DZ player gank attempts? not very

[dull ermine]

The base dmg not worth it?

Cuz I did feel like it has way too many armor cores

[vestal ibex]

It's a DZ build but really this dude didn't ask or say anything along side this picture. Who knows why they put it here.

[dull ermine]

Oh someone asked for lmg builds

But if it was full red would it be strong? Or is grupo, foxes better?

And obliterate instead of unbreakable

[vestal ibex]

Lengmo only makes sense in an all blue PVP build. The talents on chest and BP are for PVP too. If you wanna make an LMG build just use any normal build red CHC build and slap a LMG on it.

[dull ermine]

Ugh

[vestal ibex]

That's the sad news tho.

[dull ermine]

I’m so over the generic red build being called lmg build 😂

But I see what you’re saying

I was just wondering if the 30% dmg was worth over foxes or grupo

Especially if full red

[vestal ibex]

Full red makes that 30% not worth it considering you are basically using two dead brand set unlocks.

[dull ermine]

Perhaps

[glossy scarab]

makes pestilence ticks better tho

[dull ermine]

If only my hollowman had weapon handling instead of explosive resistance

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you play solo heroic and are bored just build it. It's gonna "work".

[dull ermine]

I love lmg’s so that’s why I was curious, I like the way they shoot

[vestal ibex]

I hate the suppression, only good for sniper ally.

[dull ermine]

Golden bullet my friend 🥲

I use blinder firefly and banshee pulse to help with that

Otherwise it’s AOE to mitigate targets out of cover, but I am someone who plays 4 person heroic so there’s usually plenty of things to shoot at

I forget if guardians reloads weapon

Cuz I love that event

Yea if they remove suppression and only add it with the overhhelm talent it would work so much better

But LMGs and stabilize talent is a fun way to get some handling

Ik steady handed is up there but for the sake of free handling

Could someone explain the dps difference between busy bee and finisher talent?

I have a thought of running finisher, dodge city

[shy willow]

Busy bee is like a 200 percent amp or something at max stacks

Finisher gives bonus crit chance and damage

[dull ermine]

So which is stronger?

And for busy bee I’m not assuming max stacks

Probably 2 at most

[shy willow]

Bee is for more niche scenarios probably

Finisher nice for general use

Orbit makes for a nice sidearm

[flint tiger]

🙏

[sudden fog]

is aces and eights any good

[dull ermine]

So is orbit good or would d50 finisher be better

[shy willow]

Outclassed by hotshot

[dull ermine]

Cuz I want to know if it’s worth keeping 1 orbit on each character

[shy willow]

You won't be using your sidearm often so when you do orbit is probably better

[dull ermine]

10% more chd or more base dmg to make use of dch

Idk which

[versed summit]

I'd do TDI Kard Custom w/finisher tbh

personally I find sledge more useful tho

[dull ermine]

I run tdi kard mainly with sledge

But just to proc finisher and get some dmg buff cuz sledge can be finicky

It really is most useful on door spawns or named enemies / chungas for me

[versed summit]

true true

[dull ermine]

Since finisher is dependent on a kill idk which is better to use, kard has similar dps to orbit

But d50 has more base dmg

So with d50 the hope is to get a clean 1 shot kill

Would it matter between orbit and d50? Cause orbit would give more buff

[sudden fog]

lol i got setup blueprint

[hazy steeple]

Heroic CP from the chest? You can also get Closer from there too.

[rich lotus]

Op asf for pvp crit build

[hexed steppe]

Time to roll a couple unicorns 🦄

[onyx sage]

orbit really doesn't matter at the end of the day for me

[dull ermine]

Which orbit or d50

[dull ermine]

So you run d50 or you don’t really use finisher?

[rich lotus]

I have like 2 D50 with det/sledge and orbit and ofc reg for whenever

And tdi

Just swap whenever anything is needed

[dull ermine]

So you use orbit ? Or it’s just in your inventory until it’s needed?

[rich lotus]

Only in pvp

[dull ermine]

Personally I don’t find myself using kard much outside of raids as I don’t run revive hive

[rich lotus]

Kard is mainly for pve tbh

For rez hives and etc

Rarely use it anymore

[glossy scarab]

i usually carry a kard custom w in sync just bc sometimes I wanna let my drone finish some enemies with the skill tier and in sync

[dull ermine]

I run it with sledge but using it on deployable skills sometimes isn’t worth the swapping

Like when using banshee or blinder firefly it is really great to get more range

[rich lotus]

My kard has sadist sadly so I don't do much with it besides the skill tier tbh

[glossy scarab]

damn

[dull ermine]

But my playstyle is shoot shit and spam skills while dpsing so swapping sometimes isn’t an option 😂

[dull ermine]

It can’t be rerolled?

[rich lotus]

Nah it's an old kard I got a while ago and I rerolled pistol damage instead...

[dull ermine]

Ah

[rich lotus]

Dumb mistakes from the past lol

[glossy scarab]

when theres one or two guys left its not a problem to swap. although if i was carrying orbit i would never remember to finish with it

[dull ermine]

I did that with a godrolled lmg once

[rich lotus]

It's crazy good for dz i can say that much

[glossy scarab]

yea yeaa

[rich lotus]

Play around npcs and it's an easy 40% crit

I have a clip that I recorded for a friend to show him wait

[dull ermine]

I like busy bee bc it works by blind firing the only thing is say I’m using the buff I’ll mag dump my guns and swap rather than reload

But the buff is lost

[rich lotus]

This was kind of a troll kill but still

[dull ermine]

Did you ditch the shield cause they had one and you’re able to move faster?

[glossy scarab]

nice. could have just meleed the second guy tho. the buff wasnt actually needed here but ur right its great for pvp

[rich lotus]

Nah I just dont like shield at all in gen

[rich lotus]

Did it just to show to a friend somewhat how I would use it lol

[dull ermine]

Oh I like it for rifles mainly otherwise that’s it

[rich lotus]

I could've just emptied mag on frist few secs

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah you mentioned that my bad

i just wanted to see the ouro dmg numbers with the buff but you didnt use it

[rich lotus]

It shreds I can tell you that much

Absolute melter town

[glossy scarab]

it went from about 87k to what?

any idea

[rich lotus]

I don't remember tbh I can check on an npc

Will it give same numbers?

[glossy scarab]

hmm most ppl dont trust the firing range numbers that much but i would just like to see the no buff number and the buff number

but dont do that for me i dont care that much

[dull ermine]

Which is stronger on chungas

Ravenous full stack armor plating primer + famas

Busy bee 2 stack famas?

[shy willow]

ravenous full stacks is like 200 percent plate damage or something

[dull ermine]

Must have I see

[glossy scarab]

plus with rav you can keep going. the busy bee buff is only 10s.

[dull ermine]

Thank you gate strat @shy willow

[primal horizon]

is there a quick reference to the striker obliterate oro build? (as well as others) Or do I need to use the configurator?

like where to use ceska vs grupo?

[rich lotus]

Just did this in firing range real quick
No Orbit proc crit 470,539
Orbit proc crit 542,104

Intimidate matador 4 blue 2 red

Body shots

[shy willow]

blasphemy never mention gate strat in positive light

[rich lotus]

542k is actually an insane bump from 470k

[shy willow]

ceska is more valuable still but you need to squeeze out as much chd as possible

[dull ermine]

U prefer orbit for fire rate?

Over d50?

[rich lotus]

Eh no

I don't ever need to use sidearms in pvp

Only talents needed

[rich lotus]

I lied, regulus exists

[dull ermine]

Whose that

[rich lotus]

Meta cancer gun

[primal horizon]

is there a reference guide of some kind in discord? I'd like to see where my stats should be... currently running a coyote, grupo obliterate, 4 striker at 59cc/ 166 chd

how far off is that from optimized if I were to go with ceska instead of grupo and adjust any other parts accordingly?

[shy willow]

already perfected pretty much

ceska v grupo on ouro is the sweatiest min max

[primal horizon]

hmm, then would a ceska chest actually be better, I think it'd just get me slightly overcap

[rich lotus]

🥹 thats a load a damage

[primal horizon]

awesome, thanks for the input

[rich lotus]

Made this for cd and god its so handy

[glossy scarab]

this is wrong, its actually 166 chd

[glossy scarab]

you can use blue cores

[rich lotus]

Tbh I only use blue cores ever in pvp lol

[glossy scarab]

ive tried it with 3 red 3 blue on heroic and it was super easy

[rich lotus]

3 blue strikers on pve just makes it butter ez yeah

Regardless of what ur running

[shy willow]

why matadorrrr

[rich lotus]

Handy asf

Used to struggle face tanking

Already have a load of damage anyways

[glossy scarab]

nice. 71.5k buff per crit

[rich lotus]

Idk how well it would translate to pvp though I'd have to get someone to test it out

[primal horizon]

my countdown build

[shy willow]

ad rush doesn't seem useful without blues

[glossy scarab]

yea

[rich lotus]

Tbh I thought the same

[primal horizon]

sorry for colors, windows shits the bed with hdr capture on my pc

[glossy scarab]

at least 1

[rich lotus]

But when I used it it wasn't that bad

[glossy scarab]

same with bloodsucker

[rich lotus]

Always on max stacks

[glossy scarab]

1 blue when i use bloodsucker

[rich lotus]

Running PFE too?

[shy willow]

if I wanna tank on cd I just throw on the OD support

[rich lotus]

Btw expertise does count in countdown right

[glossy scarab]

\yea

[primal horizon]

how would you change it (honest question)

[rich lotus]

Well highly depends on playstyle imo

I like run and gun with as much dps as I can

[primal horizon]

for cd I like to facetank with that build but of course it gets use in other ways

and it gets the sledgehammer when others aren't dropping the hammer

[glossy scarab]

is that 70% pfe? makes countdown real easy huh

[primal horizon]

it does

I used to do it with 3/3rb

[shy willow]

heartbreaker but no tech laser

[rich lotus]

Only in some areas though

[rich lotus]

Only realized loll

[glossy scarab]

i do it with scorpio and the setup and max pfe once in a while

[primal horizon]

but I like the little bit of extra from that 4th red

[rich lotus]

But he is running elmos

[shy willow]

probably the only change you could make if you still wanna facetank

[primal horizon]

why the laser?

[shy willow]

acs can take one iirc

[primal horizon]

I mean, I'm face tanking and acs12 close range

[rich lotus]

Not worth it when his main weapon will be elmos

[shy willow]

pulses targets you're aiming at

[glossy scarab]

yeah one of those pellets is gonna hit the head and proc pulse when youre up close stacking

[primal horizon]

if you can't hs at that range you need to worry about more than pulsing the target

[rich lotus]

True tbh elmos makes hs ez

[primal horizon]

so yeah, Im constantly stacked up to like probably about 3 million armor

combine that with the 70% fpe and it feels strong but lacks dps especially against dogs and servers if I'm the first on site

[shy willow]

thing is not every target has a head

[rich lotus]

As much as I like the Idea I'd ever either go full tank that procs extra armor with galvanize, tardi etc etc than a half tank/dps

[rich lotus]

That's what she said? 😔

[shy willow]

🫣

[glossy scarab]

that makes sense

[primal horizon]

just as well I do appreciate the input, that pointer might be worth it at times but doesn't the pointer also cost me the specialization?

[rich lotus]

Btw now that I'm thinking, how much more damage does striker chest do compared to intimidate ceska

[primal horizon]

I think I originally wanted to keep that extra 10 pfe

[rich lotus]

It does, if you main gun is elmos then no point tbh

[primal horizon]

yeah I mean, acs to stack

[shy willow]

you can capitalise on it by using flatline but you're running Elmo so

[rich lotus]

Not hard to stack it just get close and personal since youre already super tanky and score all them hs on something lol

[primal horizon]

yup that's how I do it

and then stacked up switch to w/e weapon I'm playing with

[rich lotus]

Now I'm wondering, striker chest or ceska + intimidate

[primal horizon]

though it's specifically build around the elmo for 60cc

[shy willow]

intim only worth if you have reliable bonus armour

[rich lotus]

matador

Anyone knows how much more % does striker chest do compared to ceska inti?

[shy willow]

doesn't it have a cool down

[rich lotus]

What does

[shy willow]

if you can maintain top stacks it probably shits on intim

[shy willow]

ad rush

[rich lotus]

Matador has 5s cooldown but per stack which means always bonus armor on

[rich lotus]

hmmm

[tawdry flare]

Intimidate is 42% amp on top of 65% from striker

[rich lotus]

Inti is an amp??? wtf

[shy willow]

ye

[rich lotus]

So much stuff I don't know what the hell

[shy willow]

self multiplying twd

[tawdry flare]

Yeah an amp and it is multiplicative with itself

[rich lotus]

I hope they are more clear on what does what in div3 honestly

[tawdry flare]

Not twd

But limited to 10m so not a good pick

[primal horizon]

so matidor and intimidate would be a better combo than using striker chest and bag?

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[rich lotus]

Not damage wise

[shy willow]

striker chest and bag for incursion and legendary only really

[rich lotus]

Chest not good for cd?

Scorpio + lefty combo

[primal horizon]

so what about when you run the obliterate chest of ceska or grupo, should you go with the striker bag still or go to another bag?

[shy willow]

cd you're popping in and out of engagements so you have to stack all the way back up every time

[tawdry flare]

Strikers bag with inti is 2.84 Multiplier striker bag ceaka obli is 2.5 gc is 2.5 as well with chest it is 3 focus is 3.2

[primal horizon]

and in my case drop the coyote to get the other bag

[shy willow]

always striker bag

[primal horizon]

thank you @shy willow

[rich lotus]

Talking about that I need a ceska inti blue core piece

Time to get to farming

[primal horizon]

while I'm here might as well ask, is there a generic 'meta' dz build? I wouldn't be heavily focused on pvp, just enough to be 'kinda safe'

[rich lotus]

Regen build has amazing survivability ig

If thats all you care about

[primal horizon]

regen everywhere and what, hsd on the other attribute?

[rich lotus]

This is what I have

I have it all rolled to regen headshot but honestly I only did regen because I already had some pieces

better to invest in hazpro

Also everyday carrier not that amazing anymore, still good but you can use other pieces like unbreakable or etc

[primal horizon]

im thinking unbreakable is in my stash

[rich lotus]

Belstone unbreakable

[primal horizon]

let me see what I can do... so matador and armor regen

[shy willow]

my use for it is abusing it to get rid of broken stacks

[primal horizon]

and should it be 6 blue as the norm?

[rich lotus]

Always

the more armor the higher the regen

[primal horizon]

wow, and experitse don't matter in the dz right?

[rich lotus]

Invaded it does

When it has this symbol on it then exp does matter

[primal horizon]

ok, gonna see what I can do based on examples/ advice from you all, thank you, wish me luck (hoping I just have it all laying around in my stash lol)

[rich lotus]

Always a fear "Hope I saved that piece for later"

I had to farm for it all tbh I only had bighorn and even then I had to reroll it 300 to get DTTOC

[onyx sage]

i don't really use d50. the kard's extra ST on the other hand is an excellent open fighter for emp sticky and decoy

[rich lotus]

Does kard tier stay on skills that has been used already?

[tawdry flare]

You can run finisher on kard

[shy willow]

depends

[tawdry flare]

Depends on skill

[rich lotus]

I thouht the tier would go away on swap

[tawdry flare]

On shock trap yeah empty sticky yes

[rich lotus]

it works for decoy?

[onyx sage]

you just need the higher initial threat from st1

[rich lotus]

But if they pulse again then that pretty much goes away right

[onyx sage]

i don't really know tbh. it's mostly for the emp sticky because getting the free ST means the emp lasts longer and it persists even if i swap kard out

[rich lotus]

Good point yeah

[primal horizon]

is there a specific specialization that seems most common for pvp? that sniper one a first aid skill that looks like it might be good

[rich lotus]

Honestly it depends

Technician for spotter pulse builds
Firewall, good kit for pvp + 10% allies extra damage to enemies within 10m of you
Demo for that 5% DTTOC for team too
Gunner for 10% armor on kill, 3rd reload 50% faster

etc etc it's pretty optional

[primal horizon]

Im thinking gunner for the banshee pulse and the 30% bonus armor on first aid

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah forgot to mention that

[primal horizon]

armor kit*

[rich lotus]

Idk how good banshee is in pvp

I used it today and it didn't seem to do much

[primal horizon]

I've never really used it so I'll go into what, a shield?

[rich lotus]

For what build

[versed summit]

tbh it's probably Firewall, the medkit is very strong.

[rich lotus]

Firewall medkit is nuts yeah

Specially if you plan to use it on the regen build

[primal horizon]

ok, great, thanks again all, lets see how that stash holds up to a spur of the moment pvp build lol

[rich lotus]

Alright time to go farm cd until brain numb

[dull ermine]

Doesn’t the decoy reduce skill tier once u swap away

[onyx sage]

it's not that important because i'm already in my position when i swap to my main weapon

[dull ermine]

Oh cause it does it to blinder firefly and it messes up the targetting

[rich lotus]

What would be a good chem foam build for cd?

Like a cc build

[shy willow]

generally you want disrupt immunity

[rich lotus]

Average reg build in cd

[primal horizon]

im guessing crit chance in pvp is a wasted stat?

[tulip charm]

no

It depends on the build

[primal horizon]

so is there a generic meta of the cc pvp build?

like blue core ceska unbreakable or something lol

[tulip charm]

there should be one in the spreadsheet

[primal horizon]

ah, is that the build config tool?

online site

[tulip charm]

pinned comments and then build

[primal horizon]

thanks, gonna check that now 😄

[primal horizon]

brah lol, awesome, that build guide hub page is perfect, thanks

[hexed steppe]

Use hazpro rolled chest and either hanna or eletrique mask with hazpro to maintain immunity, yaahl not needed

all the scorpio/foam cc + 40% sledge debuff, +20% scorpio amp debuff , +15% opportunistic amp debuff, +10% survivalist increased damage against status.

Full immunity to all status

[rich lotus]

Do you need immunity to all stats or only disrupt

[hexed steppe]

Not necessarily, but there is other stuff that can mess you up like fire/foam/shock depending on faction.

[tawdry flare]

Only disrupt

[hexed steppe]

Uses up the same attribute space anyways, I prioritize haste

[rich lotus]

Doesnt status effect make the cc longer though

[hexed steppe]

10% is 1 second on foam

Doesnt make as big of an impact as you think.. plus if you foam and debuff, your team is melting npc before it gets out of the foam anyways

[onyx sage]

and if they're foamed for too long they will start shooting back

[rich lotus]

Hmm

Something like this then

[hexed steppe]

I think I lost like 3 seconds on foam duration swapping from 70% disrupt resist to full immunity. I'm also around 95ish% haste

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. Some also use the perfect creeping bag as well so I'll throw that out there. I personally like opportunistic because I get a bit of my damage back while also adding another debuff.

[rich lotus]

Which one is that one

[onyx sage]

the courier, named HG backpack

[hexed steppe]

I've used both. Setup was more useful for me

[rich lotus]

God I gotten so many of those while farming for hasb sniper lol

Wouldn't the foam spread be pretty useful though less foam spam

[hexed steppe]

If your team is killing npc foam is spreading anyways

[rich lotus]

O

Didn't know lol never used eclipse before

Well then yeah setup way more value

[hexed steppe]

Yeah eclipse is really strong.
Creeping is good for your initial foam hits, if proc it makes a 4m foam 10m, but problem is scorpio can also take the proc when its applying status. You kind of need it to be on foam to make it worth it

Nice thing about eclipse, it's cheap and always godrolled. Try it a couple ways balancing the hazpro/status/haste and you'll find the perfect mix for you

[rich lotus]

Prob just gonna make the one I sent screenshot of

Just saw a guy with 4 13% pfe

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[glossy scarab]

isnt lengmo supposed to drop blue core?

[rich lotus]

Do you also use burn os it that emp?

Wait no I confused everything I was saying

What you using on sticky

[hexed steppe]

Its burn but I'll switch it depending on faction/ activity
Jammer is a good alternative. On f100 its shock traps

[rich lotus]

Ic ic

[primal horizon]

ok, so I didn't have a regen build just stashed away (as far as I can tell)...

how is this for a temp alternative?

[rich lotus]

Story of my life

[primal horizon]

did a ton of reading in that evernote guide

fun stuff lol

[rich lotus]

Works for now def nowhere near as a regen build though

[primal horizon]

yeah, I gave up on regen when it wasn't in stash so hopefully it will work as a balance for just traveling through the dz

sovereign cit build lol

oh and gloves are guila

[rich lotus]

Just tested with creeping and honestly I don't find it to be thaaat great, it kind of makes the eclipse chest useless because it won't transmit to people already foamed and will mess up the refresh %

Prob gonna use the setup + hana for that skill haste

Solid build though

CC everything feels nice lol

[hexed steppe]

Nice , it's probably one of my most satisfying builds. Hitting those foam shots across reactor or turbine is 😍

[rich lotus]

Yup yup

Seeing everyone just rushing to doorcamp a spawn is cool too rofl

Nobody cares about getting shot back and just stay at kissing range

[versed summit]

Yeah I guess it’s glitched because mine rolled with a skill tier as well. I remember Caesar’s Guard could roll with a red core oddly as well.

[rich lotus]

I feel really squishy with this build, the dps is fine but any advice on how I could get more survivability?

[acoustic coral]

Use more cover.
Swap drone to reviver hive
Spec to gunner

[rich lotus]

ok thx

[acoustic coral]

Also need the right talent on chest

Otherwise shoot first, ask questions later

[serene hare]

Which one of those 2 are better?
I'm using the second one, it feels like having cooldown reduction is better for the reviving hive instead of more damage for the build (unless if the other stat was better).

[acoustic coral]

Assuming the build is headhunter something, HSD and Weapon Handling - ideally you don't need the cool down for hive

[serene hare]

Make it more useful, at least, doesn't it?

Also which other stat should I have but damage and hsd?

[acoustic coral]

Weapon Handling

[serene hare]

U sure?

[acoustic coral]

Yes, very sure. Less sway and stuff on weapon, again you shouldn't get haste for the reviver hive

Don't die 4Head, as Twitch chat would say - and if you play with the skill directive, it won't matter anyways

[serene hare]

Damage got slightly improved, but that was expected, to be changed just a little.

Man, how much I wish rifles didn't had "critical damage" as secondary stat.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene hare]

Found 1 Chainkiller after 5 countdowns, with the worst stats possible.

Who doesn't love a good ol' RNG?

[hexed steppe]

walker harris and run more countdown

[serene hare]

I know what I'm doing.

[hexed steppe]

you sure

most of the time when someone states something like that its the opposite /s

[hazy steeple]

It does seem like a rather....low rate for Chainkiller drops in CD.

[serene hare]

I did once with the chestpiece as drop, but someone told me to use W,H&CO

[hexed steppe]

also, make more Lootcifer sacrifices 🔥 😈 🔥

[hazy steeple]

I've had runs where I've gotten 3 of them, and not even on the right TL.

[serene hare]

and I did 5 of it.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah the rule for TL is:
if looking for brand/named: go brand.
if looking for exotic, go type.

[serene hare]

Wait, where the f is my chainkiller?

[hazy steeple]

Think of it like this. How many chests are there in div2, vs how many W&H pieces there are.

[hexed steppe]

knows what theyre doing

[serene hare]

Oh, it's here

[hexed steppe]

ok im done being a jerk 😆

[serene hare]

Yeah, just stop

"Health", what a dumb stat for this set

[hexed steppe]

what bag are you using

[serene hare]

I'm living the american way, health is overated.

[hazy steeple]

your Agent looks like they exclusively wear tank tops and listen to Kid Rock.

[serene hare]

Is that a good thing?

[hazy steeple]

No.

[serene hare]

I wanted this game to have a black jeans with a good belt

but this seems like too much to ask for.

[hazy steeple]

the mullet doesnt help.

there are actually a few good sets of jeans in the game, just gotta look around.
actually IIRC there's a "White tier" of jeans that even have a boot-cut.

[serene hare]

There's 1 good jeans with a pretty good belt, but the jeans is green...

[hexed steppe]

there probably some of the past sets that take textile instead of premium as well

[hazy steeple]

There's at least 2 good pairs of black jeans I can think of right now, and both are from like 4.5 years ago.

and the white tier ones have been in the game since march 2019, so im pretty sure you can find them.

[hexed steppe]

you want some help farming a good chainkiller?

[serene hare]

Well, I checked all the trousers like 5 times already and there's always 1 issue

1. Color is bad
2. Belt is bad (or not have any)
3. Skinny

[hazy steeple]

That's not been my experience at all, but you do you.
just a hint for farming Chainkiller though: ask your team. Most people have spares already so any new ones they get are going straight in the shredder.

[serene hare]

Like, come on, man, why is this green?

If at least I could change the color of it...

[hazy steeple]

Go to the ones you own, to the very bottom of the list. Check there.

buuuuut I'm going to head off now, best of luck. Deck be nice. :p

[hexed steppe]

ofc 🍻

[hexed steppe]

stinger hunter are pretty good, black, and over the boot like those. iirc they can be purchased with textile and not need real cash

[serene hare]

There's too much going on in this shit

I think this is quite alright, honestly.

[glossy scarab]

not much going on at all. looks great

[serene hare]

My character or that thousers?

I think it have too much stuff on it and that yellow looks bad on it.

My opinion, of course.
I don't think it would fit with my character.

[hexed steppe]

best place to get apparel info and ideas would be #divashion

[serene hare]

It wasn't even supposed to be a topic, Rivens started this, I was talking about Chainkiller farming

and RNG being pretty stupid.

[glossy scarab]

damn just got a god rolled capacitor but i dont want headshot

also, this was normal difficulty, opening a freakin weapon crate

[versed summit]

That’s lucky as hell

[glossy scarab]

yeap too bad its gonna be a component

[versed summit]

that's the way it goes

[onyx sage]

HAX

[glossy scarab]

just dumb drops. 3rd exotic in 20 min

[serene hare]

Honestly, if it's not meta stats, isn't really god roll, right?

I thought god roll was all meta stats and on max level.

Funny how Capacitor secondary stat is "damage to armor" instead of "health damage", now I see why people are picking up this weapon.

[glossy scarab]

yea youre right, not a god roll

[hexed steppe]

not to mention the 60% skill damage its talent gives...

[serene hare]

Yeah, I see it.

I'm not a fan of skill builds, but this one is kinda interesting.

Maybe I could give it a chance in the future.

[shy willow]

I wasn't either, but going beyond turret/drone, they can be great fun and quite useful

[serene hare]

I've seen some DPS showoff of this weapon, it's pretty good.

"DLC" lmao

Ok, now I need the last part of the Exodia, a Hotshot mask.

Jesus Christ, optimizing gear is so tiresome, the resourses are so damn scarce.

[shy willow]

You can craft most of what you need

[serene hare]

What you mean?

Oh, true, you mean in the crafting table, but I don't have the bp

[shy willow]

Farming control points will give you the blueprints at some point, and is also a good source of field recon data which you need to optimise

[serene hare]

Too boring, I did this a lot when I started the game, but I haven't done this in a while.

[shy willow]

Boring, yes, but it pays for itself with the blueprints you gather

Good XP, and field recon data

[serene hare]

Damn, I lost the count of how many Golf emotes I got in the box...

at least 10, I'm sure of it.

[serene hare]

Wait a second, White Death can change it's talent?
I have 2 White Deaths, look at it

No way...

[fickle light]

most named items have a perfect talent- some dont. White death has more headshot damage% than other snipers.

[serene hare]

Now I need one of those with an actually good talent or dtooc.

[serene hare]

Nemesis' initial / stacked damage

Mantis' initial / stacked damage.

Yeah, this build is quite good, improved quite a bit of this build.

[shy willow]

The thing is nemesis is slow as hell

[serene hare]

It has it's uses tho.

If you're solo dealing with more than 1 or 2 enemies, you change to Mantis, if you're in team or against bosses, you can use the Nemesis.

[hexed steppe]

m700 carbon with determined will allow you to hit about 30mil and chain bodyshots as headshots after the first headshot kill.

this bodyshot chain keeps headhunter and hotshot stacked