td2-build-advice

[dull ermine]

If it refreshed pistolero would cry

[night yarrow]

why does the socom mk16 do so much more damage than the honey badger?

[dull ermine]

Bc more base damage

[night yarrow]

but why?

[dull ermine]

because lower fire rate

[night yarrow]

200rpm for 25k+ damage?

that don't seem like a fair trade

200rpm aint much

[versed summit]

it is

they're pretty similar in DPS tbh

[dull ermine]

Mk 16 and honey badger are really accurate too

[night yarrow]

yeah I've noticed

this is really accurate

no clue why

damn ig this honey badger is really embracing its purpose

I was wondering why it shot so flat

it has maybe 4 inches of horizontal

that is insane

[dull ermine]

The glory daze you can achieve 100% stability with no optimal range loss

Just put the acog scope on and the muzzle flash that gives optimal range

Hello headshots

[dull ermine]

Honey badger has a built in suppressor so more stability

[dull ermine]

Does anyone still use focus

And how has shield peeking since been patched I’m trying to figure out how what’s changed

Other than I can’t shoot from the corner without the bullets hitting

[onyx sage]

you have to use first person view to be affected by it

[dull ermine]

I see… but what should I be looking out for?

Are you not able to use focus with shield?

[onyx sage]

before tu20, your shield would push your view to the right by a noticeable amount, while your hitbox is still in the same spot, allowing you to stay behind cover but be able to shoot enemies

now, since tu20, your gun would not move to the right anymore, and stay at the same spot

again, this is only for first person view

you can still use focus with shield, the problem isn't a damage nerf or anything but a survivability nerf since you're no longer able to hide yourself behind cover and still shoot anymore

[dull ermine]

So you get hit and vigilance goes out now?

[onyx sage]

no, that's not even related lol

[dull ermine]

Ah

[tawdry flare]

Vigi loses as soon as you take hit on armour not bonus armour

[dull ermine]

But you get hit more often now or you’re completely exposed bc you have to position out of cover basically?

Also was strikers focus vigilance a thing?

[vestal ibex]

Striker BP is BIS so you always have it on.

[dull ermine]

Oh okay

[tawdry flare]

It was the case for nego Focus build

[shy willow]

I assume theres other ways to peek by backing away from cover so you're angled just right

[dull ermine]

Ah cause I run vigilance on ND for more dmg to single target

But the no armor core shield is very

[onyx sage]

yeah, with third person view

[shy willow]

Nego BP is pretty huge

[tawdry flare]

It is but tricky

[magic pilot]

PvP peek

[dull ermine]

With vigilance u kind of do the same dmg to multiple targets you just have to switch between targets after a few seconds

So if you were shooting 2 elites, shoot the other elite when the one ur shooting at has no armor bars

[shy willow]

Thing is if you're switching targets often enough you're probably better off with strikers no

[onyx sage]

PvPeek

[shy willow]

Peak peek

[dull ermine]

Depends, how frequent do u want to stack

Like when convoy farming was a thing I used ND

i assume u have to try and rush to keep striker stacks by fast traveling quickly

[shy willow]

You can gain em back almost instantly

[dull ermine]

And the reason for single target dmg is bc by the time u have weakened say 3 elites in a resource convoy the other broskis are 10 miles away behind cover

[magic pilot]

Personally I think striker is overrated for open world

[dull ermine]

That’s what I was saying but I don’t want to offend anyone

[onyx sage]

(we know)

[shy willow]

It's pretty overkill

[vestal ibex]

You HHF enjoyer eh?

[onyx sage]

time to remake my ND build

[dull ermine]

What u plan on running?

I run closer with coyotes

[onyx sage]

coyote and grupo for me

[dull ermine]

Flatline police m4 and classic M1A flatline

[onyx sage]

still famas and scorpio, i'm doing legendary mainly

[dull ermine]

Any reason in particular?

Like are you looking to clear your best time or is it the difficulty?

[onyx sage]

burst dps and stun button/dps

well both, i want to redo all the legendaries solo post-resolve and carry in matchmaking

[dull ermine]

I really wish you could have the scaling of 4 people as a solo player

I like having 3 chungas in 1 room of heroic bounties

[shy willow]

4 man solo legendary tidal💀

[vestal ibex]

Do MM and it'll feel like it.

[onyx sage]

yep

[vestal ibex]

500+ kill LOL

[onyx sage]

i post a video with that title and it's just me carrying in matchmaking

[dull ermine]

I tried messing around with the mantis using a HF build (crit) on normal difficulty (I know 😭)

How do yall manage with the outcast chunga and rusher

I probably killed like 3 outcast rushers out of 10

[onyx sage]

i mean, the build doesn't make much sense

[dull ermine]

Ignore the build cause it was 1 shotting

I just put on the gun for the sake of trying it out

[shy willow]

Mantis HF wha

[vestal ibex]

HH invalidates the build tbh.

[shy willow]

I put mantis on my hotshot the other day and it turns out it's a great gun

[dull ermine]

Outcast rusher too fast

[onyx sage]

crit mantis is underwhelming to say the least because it has zero dps

[vestal ibex]

As for hitting rushers it's a git gud thing.

[dull ermine]

Normal difficulty 😭

Speaking of

[vestal ibex]

Other options vs hitting them is skill usage to curb them getting to you, decoy and such.

[dull ermine]

The mission was federal emergency bunker

Do you guys use sniper builds in there

[vestal ibex]

Reg typically.

[dull ermine]

I generally use the first section to test out dps or builds

[shy willow]

Mantis has a baked in virtually infinite decoy so realistically if you killing them you ain't gonna get hit much

[magic pilot]

Personally I just hit my shots

[vestal ibex]

Also the rushers are predicable in that mission as it's kinda set what waves they come with and such. Better spawn knowledge woud help.

[onyx sage]

this reminds me of some youtubers tbh

[vestal ibex]

I was thinking that same thing lol

[magic pilot]

Regulus everywhere

[vestal ibex]

God that first door spawn to show off a build just kills me.

[dull ermine]

Oh it’s because it’s confined and I don’t have to chase ads 😂

[dim cape]

Anyone got a build that has 1pc Palisade Steelworks on? I'm trying to see what part to farm while it's on the Targeted Loot 🙂

[rich lotus]

@onyx sage "THE NEW META? CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES WITH THIS BUILD" 15 second of gameplay with Bunker on Challenging

[shy willow]

[magic pilot]

NBS

Fought him in dz a few times

[shy willow]

It's on targeted whenever you want in countdown and summit

[magic pilot]

I want everyone to notice he hasn't posted a single dz video playing on pc yet

[dim cape]

yeah but CP farming is more efficient 'for me'

[dull ermine]

I found a palisade with HSD and weapon handling… was thinking I could put it on a sniper build

[shy willow]

cham buffs
Full memento stacks

[rich lotus]

lol

[shy willow]

Cp farming won't net you much gear compared to how much time you spend

[magic pilot]

Gotta make sure vindictive and finisher is active too

[dull ermine]

No the worst of it is when they spend 10 minutes reading everything and 20 seconds of gameplay

[shy willow]

If you want actual palisade gear and specific rolls at that, just farm countdown

[magic pilot]

And you have OD and Fi in group

[shy willow]

Maybe a cheeky overwatch proc

[dim cape]

whatever you say man, just looking for a build for it

[vestal ibex]

There isn't a "para build" it's a single brand set.

[shy willow]

You can try 1pc palisade with hunters fury or striker and put gunner on for a bunch of AOK

[rich lotus]

IMO the only tuber that was putting out solid videos was Jumpstart Gaming

[vestal ibex]

Throw it on something to get a bit more AOK on top of gunner and call it a day.

[onyx sage]

just take whatever build you have and swap the least valuable brand out for it

[shy willow]

But that needs a red unicorn which is why countdown

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex what build do you run for golden bullet open world?

HHF?

[dull ermine]

Actually in all fairness if it’s TL to an area I prefer it to Countdown

[vestal ibex]

Yeah lol

[magic pilot]

Figured

[dull ermine]

You can run bounties, cps etc and get fairly good loot and plenty of proficiency caches

Global event stars 👁️

[magic pilot]

I'm 195 shd now

Been farming CP but it's so slow. Need the blueprints though

[onyx sage]

pure chad

[vestal ibex]

I'm happy with how I can aim and shoot auto weapons but I wanna get better with reg I gotta practice.

[dull ermine]

If you find the iron lung pls let me know

Not from an exotic cache

From target loot or random drop

[magic pilot]

Never had one drop

Got it from caches

[shy willow]

Maybe I'll start farming lmgs just to get another copy

[dull ermine]

If you find it

You know what to do 🫶

[magic pilot]

I might stream tonight, face cam came in

But I went home sick from work so I'm trying to rest

[dull ermine]

Link

[rich lotus]

stream incursion and lemme join your group 🙂

[magic pilot]

Only if Souless joins

I have key

[rich lotus]

Souless is an absolute gangster in incursion

[magic pilot]

Ik

[vestal ibex]

I do alright, tons of other people would do much better if they learned bloody knuckles and proper rotations.

[magic pilot]

Lmao

I'm gonna take your spot eventually

[vestal ibex]

I'll heal, I don't mind it at all.

[shy willow]

I'll send a clip of me deconstructing it

[rich lotus]

I think my ego would break if you healed, cause I know you'd still get top dps

[dull ermine]

That works 😭

[shy willow]

I sigh when people talk to me funny when they see I run knuckles😭

[dull ermine]

You run knuckles? What do you have like 48% crit chance?

Typical st Elmo / ouro user

Smh

Ill get my crit from someone running coyotes

[vestal ibex]

Naw, you did really well, it would not have been that smooth if you hadn't and if you or I healed it probably just wouldn't have happened either.

[rich lotus]

despite my stupid SHD level i havent done incursion that much, and was pleasantly surprised at how much faster and fun not sitting in the gate is

[onyx sage]

i wonder if you have also played a bit more aggressively in legendary too

[magic pilot]

Ceska/knuckles

[shy willow]

Ouro

Damage is too good not to use for bosses

[dull ermine]

I was joking haha

[magic pilot]

I have a screenshot of Roosevelt I ran as healer and I did half the dmg one of our dps players did

250m dmg and he did 500m

[onyx sage]

too pro

[rich lotus]

Gimme a healer protip plz

[magic pilot]

So incursion run?

[magic pilot]

Like build wise or gameplay?

[rich lotus]

gameplay

[dull ermine]

Drop like 3 chems with the hive

And spam like 4 chems during overcharge while hive is down

Don’t aim it .. do the double press thing

[vestal ibex]

Also put the hive back down once you've got like 20ish charges.

[magic pilot]

As a healer don't forget your team buffs

[dull ermine]

If anyone is running shield push them out them bc they eat ur hive

[onyx sage]

use scorpio, but don't try to kill anything if there's a headhunter user

[magic pilot]

If running survivalist sledgehammer spawns, if running tech emp enemy skills

[dull ermine]

Personally I use acs and opportunistic everything in sight

[shy willow]

And pick the hive up if somebody runs into it on fire or with a bulwark out

[dull ermine]

• lefty

[shy willow]

And yes proc team buffs often as possible

[rich lotus]

thats a lot of good tips of things i was not doing, so thank you all very much

[dull ermine]

The Scorpio is strong but the swapping between sledge and Scorpio can sometimes be finicky

[vestal ibex]

Healer on lovebirds is just a system. Sledge is the most important one tho.

[dull ermine]

So use one or the other imo

[shy willow]

Yeah sledge is an absolutely massive buff

[dull ermine]

Try to proc sledge at least once

[magic pilot]

Sledge and scorpion debuff

[vestal ibex]

I personally would say focus on keeping sledge up over swapping, it'll mess up your system and you might lack heals.

[dull ermine]

Also just for the sake of universal knowledge if ever offered the chance to heal in DH take it on so you can learn to double down boomer

[vestal ibex]

Have a dps run scorp as it's crazy good damage.

[rich lotus]

ok

[vestal ibex]

Idk if you noticed but in our run I ran scorpio on LB and wright.

[dull ermine]

With the acs you can proc opportunistic on every ad … its minimal but helps ur dps not stress a lot more

Time the valves right, proc sledge and go ham with Scorpio

Sledge should be procced before he is hit with the valves hopefully

[rich lotus]

too bad i used my key on my character with a healer loadout, but ima try and put all this information to practice next time

[dull ermine]

When wright is doing his whole purple gas mechanic… try to put a wall between him and you or go behind him

[dull ermine]

If you have the space on your characters at least for now, just save the loadout on each character and send it to stash

You can equip the loadout and it pulls everything from stash

[vestal ibex]

Why? You take the same damage regardless during his gas fart.

Good practice on wright as healer is to pick up your hive and use chems during the purple gas thing, make sure your team stands near you so they get the extra healing from FI and once wright has farted and is going to break pipe you should have more charges and you can even place hive to over lap the new water spots you are going to do next(if you at the start went hey what water order we doing) that'll help the person leading him if they get caught on fire.

[shy willow]

The hive charges go poof if you leave it out during gas it's a great tip

[dull ermine]

I haven’t had that happen

[tulip charm]

Especially if they use a shield

[dull ermine]

I just leave my hive over there

[tulip charm]

the hive likes to eat its charges after fart

[dull ermine]

Oh I haven’t noticed it then I suppose

[lyric prism]

I just want to thank Golden Bullet cache and all the little people....

[magic pilot]

Nice pickup

[pulsar hound]

Yep, it’s a good day for some

[stiff jasper]

congratulations

[magic pilot]

Ehh not terrible

[tawdry flare]

I need to learn healer lol I suck

[shy willow]

It's not too hard just gotta know when to OC and keep everyone topped up

Along with just proccing buffs

[tulip charm]

Its really easy

Imo the hardest part is just keeping scorpio debuff while trying to sledgehammer

[flint wave]

That's why one of the dps people should use scorpio

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio dps >> Oreo with the OC artificer it's busted

[spice moon]

Is there a recommended gearset for running iron lung in the DZ solo?

I’m really loving iron lung and have taken down a few rogues, but my survivability is pretty crap.

[dapper obsidian]

Who's the most reliable youtuber when it comes to builds?

[fickle light]

i've not seen any worth watching- theres a spreadsheet pinned in this channel that has all the builds you'll need realistically

[versed summit]

iKia does some very indepth build guides if that's something your into. Otherwise I haven't really found anyone.

[half cosmos]

new meme build attemp so far can carry me in summit the last tier stat will come from specialization so can consistantly get over skill

chameleon is flexible for now but i like the gun

anyone?

[fickle light]

are you, like, asking how to make it better? or....?

[half cosmos]

yea like can i improve this? is this ok? do u guys need some other stats pic to judge?

[fickle light]

You've got two options, realistically. Go into weapon damage (even with the same set) and drop the skill tiers, or go into status effects and swap from OD to something like Eclipse protocol.

[half cosmos]

so hybrid is not a option?

cause i love my skills but wanna be able to use guns indipendently

[fickle light]

Hybrid is an option, for stuff that isnt what you are trying to do. In anything more than hard you will have a not great time with that. There should be an Ongoing directive build in the spreadsheet that'll be great for the guns (or striker, if you want a slightly different way of going about it) and you can just use the skill tier 0 drone to draw some aggro from you.

[half cosmos]

i want the drone to do damage rn this drone somwhow can clear room provide full on support

[patent fossil]

crit/skill hybrids can work quite well with tools like capacitor and memento, but they're generally not status effect based

eg future perfect sniper can get overcharge while still one-shotting anything in solo heroic:

[half cosmos]

this is my crit based one

i need momento and am activly farming it

[patent fossil]

or for an AR approach, this one is more focused on weapon damage than skill but still has 6 tiers (you'd probably want capacitor instead of BLB, it dates from when BLB stacks buffed skill damage):

or you can go more skill-focused and run 3 empress instead of all the crit brands

[half cosmos]

so ND is not a good approch?

[patent fossil]

some people like it, I feel it lacks in crit overall, and the fact that ND talent doesn't benefit your skills in the slightest makes it seem a bit inefficient

[glossy scarab]

yellow nd is not even something i need to try to know i dont like it

[half cosmos]

hence i changed cores to yellow

[patent fossil]

you'd definitely want a ceska chest instead of gila though if you did use that route, you need that 60% chc to make the most of ND and you've got very limited minor stats to make up a reasonable amount of CHD

glass cannon is recommended as it boosts both weapon and skill damage (overwatch can also work as a substitute if you can't deal with the fragility)

[half cosmos]

curretnly has oblitrate

[glossy scarab]

whats the CHC?

[half cosmos]

of nego or OD?

[glossy scarab]

negotiators

[half cosmos]

45.5

[glossy scarab]

oh yea you could def do with a ceska chest. obliterate is fine but you need chc in order for NDs talent to function properly

[half cosmos]

i can swap a few chd to chc

[patent fossil]

but then you'll end up with almost no CHD, which is also not great

[half cosmos]

dont have one on me atm can i swap the obli to that cheska chest peice?

in the tinkring stuff?

[glossy scarab]

60% crit chance will get you the most damage out of ND regardless of what your chd ends up at

[half cosmos]

what peice has perfrct oblitrate?

[patent fossil]

yeah but low CHD + low WD (because mostly yellow cores) = just really low damage overall, even if it is spread around

[glossy scarab]

then theres no reason to use nego because the whole point of nego is to spread the damage of critical hits. having low critical hit chance makes it so you're just doing regular damage x1, not crit damage x3

[patent fossil]

no perfect obliterate ingame, sadly

[half cosmos]

WHYYY

also i somehow dont have a single cheska armor wut

[patent fossil]

it'd probably be on a useless brand anyway, like most perfect talents

get yourself to countdown and farm one up

[half cosmos]

i am in summit rn trying my builds

[patent fossil]

with chc & chd minors and a recalibratable talent, a ceska chest will be useful in a whole bunch of builds

[half cosmos]

i can dishout damage on challenging with like 6 directives BUT i cannot take em XD

[half cosmos]

we can only recal 1 thing right?

like either tallent or core?

[patent fossil]

yeah

[half cosmos]

so i need a oblitrate cheska to swap core or vice versa

[patent fossil]

but once you get memento, you can put a yellow core on your mask and run red core chest with technician to take up the slack

getting chest or backpack with correct minors AND talent to recalibrate the core is a huge pain in the ass, better to avoid it altogether if possible

[half cosmos]

yea had that with a cherised peice

[glossy scarab]

those pieces are pretty key to almost every build i do

[half cosmos]

but my OD set looks decent damaging from what i have seen especially thanks to the chest that procs a status

gets the chain going

[patent fossil]

I crafted about 200 hapsburg chests trying to get a unicorn before I got too bored to continue

[half cosmos]

so get a momento (trying for weeks) get a cheska armor and swap on oblitrate on it

switch to tech ?

[glossy scarab]

yeah i'll just set a limit for every play session and craft 5 tries at whatever brand i want a unicorn from

[half cosmos]

and which set is better ND or OD?

[patent fossil]

yeah, or glass cannon for chest, or overwatch - although obliterate will also help in other pure red crit builds

in meta pure red versions, ND is better for you, OD gives more group buff

[half cosmos]

once i get the decent 1-2 sets (current OD looks ok for now) will get a pure red set loadout

[glossy scarab]

that'll probably be better for you than gear sets with specific mechanics. a good simple high end might even do more damage than the versions of OD and ND you posted

[half cosmos]

the OD one

but momento is hard to get any suggestions to get it?

[patent fossil]

I already suggested a HE version up here ^ but tbf it does take more farming to get the right rolls

[patent fossil]

matchmake for countdown on challenging difficulty, target backpacks, spend the tokens on exotic caches. Basically the same as almost all other gear farming.

[half cosmos]

also capasitor or chamelion?

[patent fossil]

don't worry if you feel like you're out of your depth, challenging is easy enough that others will carry you

[half cosmos]

there is a way to set target loot in countdoen?

[patent fossil]

will work for capacitor and chameleon too, although chameleon also has a high drop rate from bounties so that's an effective way of farming

[half cosmos]

oh wait my bad

[patent fossil]

yeah same as summit, set it from the map icon (it will copy same target loot setting as summit)

[half cosmos]

u ment bounti target to backpack areas

[patent fossil]

no no, bounties just for chameleon

[half cosmos]

ok so go to summit swap its drops to backpack? and head to challenging summit?

[patent fossil]

...Countdown

[half cosmos]

🤦‍♂️ my bad

[patent fossil]

it's a game mode, find it on the matchmaking tab

set target loot from the countdown map icon OR from summit, both will work

[half cosmos]

yep found tand reacolated to backpack

[patent fossil]

just don't bring a skill build, hunters will hack your skills

and don't try to solo it, it's intended for 8 players

[half cosmos]

ah thats where lies my problem i seem to have deleted my wep builds 6 months ago when i left the game for hitaus (idk why probablu was mad i could deal no damage)

so past me was a dum dum

[patent fossil]

^

just go in anyway, use the OD build so you'll at least be buffing the team, just swap the drone out for a status skill of some kind

[half cosmos]

oki doki

[acoustic coral]

Headhunter

[half cosmos]

got fire cans on both

[stiff jasper]

third, go skill tier and skill damage and run turret drone

[half cosmos]

thats wahat i do

[hexed steppe]

This is kinda a big nope. The biggest strength of nego is ability to transfer damage. No weapon damage basically equals shit transfer.
You mention farming memento and that would be a good alternative to this. Go red cores and crit. Ceska oblit chest memento and keep tech. With that configuration your cap will net 135% equivelant weapon damage when stacked instead of the current 60% equivelant.
Also memento gives 30% skill efficiency, which is 30% in all skill buckets. Stacked memento and cap will net you 90% skill damage, not sure your chem but mem also nets 30% (status effects or skill repair depending on variant)
Much more effective way to hybrid while maintaining weapon damage.
The extra weapon damage will also benefit your scalpel and still allow you to overcharge with the 2 skill tiers.
6r 2y 1b
Great weapon damage transfer, effective skills, and a lot more survivability (again memento bonus armor/3% regen)

You definitely can still do skilltier based crit but I would go highend.
I made this recently as a skill based crit build.

[shy willow]

that one sent me💀

[acoustic coral]

😳

[shy willow]

🫣

[spice moon]

Thoughts on optimizing this build for a) conflict, and b) DZ solo?

Stats:
48.5 CHC
148 CHD
13 DTA
76 LMG bonus
Vigilance
Unbreakable

Above values are excluding watch to adjust for conflict

[tulip charm]

hmm... imo not a fan of vigilance for solo dz builds

[magic pilot]

Change grupo to picaros

@spice moon Nvm I was wrong

Just checked

[spice moon]

What talent would you run for solo DZ?

[magic pilot]

Ad rush or wicked

[spice moon]

Cool

[magic pilot]

Vigi is fine it's just harder to use effectively

If you swap to a high end lmg use picaros though

[tulip charm]

yeah since they have easier to use or have higher uptime compared to vigi in solo play

unless you can get a few shots off before you lose vigi constantly

[vocal wing]

Just returning after a really long hiatus is m1a still the go to rifle for red rifle builds ? Haven't caught up on all the number changes yet

[serene hare]

This Mantis build with Headshot damage based build is good?
I'm not having any problem with it, pretty fun to use, and 20 million damage per shot (stacked) is cool, but Idk if it can get a lot higher.

[vestal ibex]

Well considering this would kill 4 man heroic normal elites is not bad. You'll wanna look into head hunters(chest talent I'd use the named chain killer) with hotshot and vigilance you can see 30 mil with high-end MMRs and I forget what you'd see with Mantis. 40ish mil?

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[serene hare]

I am using Headhunter.

[magic pilot]

Chainkiller

[serene hare]

And Vigilance too.

[onyx sage]

but yeah use hotshot instead of aces

[vestal ibex]

Lol I thought it was focus cause mobile

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[serene hare]

That's interesting.

[vestal ibex]

Just keep in mind weapon damage drives up your top number, make sure your spec has MMR damage.

[serene hare]

It does.

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC on Mantis?

[serene hare]

headshot damage 111%

[vestal ibex]

Third attribute?

[serene hare]

The third is petty, 7,5% health damage

but I'm afraid to roll my weapon again and lose those atributes I have atm.

[vestal ibex]

Well that is a dead stat imo, hitting a health only enemy is gonna die in one shot anyway and it'll do nothing to armored enemies although it'll help with dogs and chungas but we are talking about small situations where it probably wouldn't help anyway.

[serene hare]

If only exotic weapons could be modified...

[onyx sage]

you can reroll them, you know that right?

wait, you do. my bad

[serene hare]

Lul

[onyx sage]

try to get a second one and reroll the worse one

[serene hare]

This is already the second roll, I only have 3 exotic things to reroll

[vestal ibex]

imo a re rolled one with DTTOOC with worse stats would probably hit harder anyway.

[onyx sage]

keep doing your projects and weeklies

[serene hare]

May God bless me with that next roll.

Critical damage...

My crit chance is 0 lol.

I hate myself.

[onyx sage]

you don't need crit with headhunter

[serene hare]

I'm sad now.

[hazy steeple]

This is for Mantis, yeah? Don't spend Exotic Components on re-rolling it.
Mantis is part of the TL pool, just farm out a new copy. Those Components are better used for niche to obtain stuff and Expertise things.

[vestal ibex]

Hmmm.... So I decided to test out the mantis and does the 50% damage to enemies not targeting you only work if the are targeting something and just not in combat? So you HAVE to use decoy or team mates?

[magic pilot]

No

Should work as long as they are actively targeting you

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[serene hare]

Yes.

Use decoy, they always aim for the decoy]

[onyx sage]

decoy, teammates, any other target they aggro on will activate the bonus

[serene hare]

and your damage goes nuts.

[onyx sage]

it's only around a 20% buff on max hh stacks, which is still big, but not 50% like it says

[vestal ibex]

Yes but by definition enemies targeting no one are not targeting you?

[onyx sage]

yep

[serene hare]

Tidal Basin on legendary, why do I think this is a bad idea?

[onyx sage]

you need a carry?

[serene hare]

I need a hug.

[magic pilot]

Pfe mods drop there

[vestal ibex]

But out of combat enemies don't seem to take 50% amp.

[magic pilot]

That's weird

[onyx sage]

strange, it worked back then

[magic pilot]

It'd be nice if mantis scope wasn't bugged

[onyx sage]

it'd be nice if cover bug was gone

[serene hare]

I'll try it once, if I fail, I'll quit.

Trying to farm Mantis on street or something...

I hate Wyvern so much, damn.

[vestal ibex]

What's really strange is it it's for like 8.7 mil but I get almost full HH stacks so wtf

[serene hare]

The game barely started and I already have to deal with a Storm Trooper

[onyx sage]

good luck with tidal legendary solo lol

[vestal ibex]

I'd take the invite from bino, heck maybe more of us would join

[serene hare]

It already started extremely bad.

[vestal ibex]

Before shot no buffs out of combat.

[onyx sage]

i've been carrying tidal this week

my back broke

[serene hare]

2 rushers, 1 heavy and 2 dogs

fun, specially when you have no health

[vestal ibex]

First shot only 8.7 and I get almost full HH stacks?

[serene hare]

When, exactly?

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

[serene hare]

Well, @onyx sage can you help us, then?

[tulip charm]

HH in tidal is hard just due to all the tanks and dogs at the start in the majority of the rooms

[serene hare]

1 moment, I'm remembering a glitch from the past

Yeas have passed and I still unable to access this area

I'll never know how the president betrayed us.

5 years ago, my game crashed here and soft locked this area.

[onyx sage]

no rush

[serene hare]

Where do I invite you?

[hazy steeple]

Down in #lfg-pc

[serene hare]

I meant ingame, but ok.

[onyx sage]

in the console, type /invite dien.aka.kim

[magic pilot]

I'm joining rn

[serene hare]

Console?

[onyx sage]

in the chat

[serene hare]

There is a chat in this game?

[magic pilot]

It's technically called the command console

[onyx sage]

yes lol

press enter

[serene hare]

I completely forgot about it, my chat was muted

Wait, @onyx sage

Chameleon is coming

[magic pilot]

Go ahead and invite me too

[onyx sage]

we can do it until they come

[magic pilot]

4 man?

[onyx sage]

sure

[magic pilot]

I'm down for another PFE mod

I'm struggling to start my game

[dull ermine]

There’s a computer to open the door I think 😭

[serene hare]

It doesn't to me.

[devout agate]

What do I build for the ouroboro

[hexed steppe]

fits most dps. striker, hunters fury, umbra initiative . check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel for detailed builds

[lyric prism]

electronic ND set w/ hazpro.

[rich lotus]

Is there any better build than hotshot for quick floor 10 farm?

Like way faster than this

[solar sable]

i think that is fast asf

[rich lotus]

Im just wondering bcs I heard skill builds focused on chem can also be v powerful

But that would also take 1 less directive away

[gentle lichen]

If you have multiple oxy users probably faster

But this is really efficient

[rich lotus]

I see, thanks

[gentle lichen]

But i notice you were really close to 1 shotting the boss so you could probably use sharpshooter or put a little expertise to push the damage to the 1 shot mark

[rich lotus]

I'm a few points away from exp 15 and my sniper is at 14 atm lol

[rich lotus]

Hoping I'll prob 1 shot them once I get it there

[whole grotto]

Still trying to get the ouroboro

[magic pilot]

sniping is fastest for leg solo imo

in group you want oxy

[hexed steppe]

probably not for legendary. when it was an xp farm we went 4 man, we would go 1ep 1 oxi , else is w/e on heroic 7d and had 30sec clears.

but unless youre farming bighorn, its better just to farm cp. you get the xp along with the frd

[rich lotus]

Gonna do countdown, started off farming for mods got a few maxed out

[hexed steppe]

nice

[rich lotus]

Just got 2 hapsburg pieces with each tilent + hs

I'm prob gonna use that for the little extra damage for 1 taps

Until rng gods have pity on me and drop a fully kitted out one

[rich lotus]

Killing hunters

This game really boils my blood

[serene hare]

What build is this?

I wanna shoot through walls and deal hitkill too.

And with a Shotgun, what a incredible build.

[rich lotus]

Div2 pvp in 2024:

[serene hare]

I was thinking in going for Dark Zones to farm Pestilence (to break it and get components), but I don't think so.

[rich lotus]

That guy is also a known blatant cheater too, seen him a few times around

[serene hare]

Being a brazilian myself, this is shameful.

[rich lotus]

Eh from experience server hopping this isn't a region thing it's everywhere, of course some are blatant and others are more hidden even if just a slight hs boost

[hexed steppe]

anyone using the base model of mantis as mmr? lately seems sr-1/m700 variants are king, but is there a reason ppl are not using this. seems like a good alternative considering its almost as strong as my exp 19 carbon

[versed summit]

It’s good I think the issue is that it’s just worse than the other options.

[hexed steppe]

I'll have to give it a run if I can get the right rolls to drop

[rich lotus]

😢

[limpid pelican]

Got this last night from a random open world add lol

Was running around testing my sens with a pvp regulus build equipped 😂

[rich lotus]

😔 Then thre's me

It's been almost 2h

Crafting and countdown

[limpid pelican]

I've crafted hundreds and so many hrs trying to farm one, and I get it that way...

Actually a joke at this point

[rich lotus]

Lol

All your luck dropped on a random drop

Now gl on the backpack if you don't have it

[limpid pelican]

I managed to craft one that had crit dmg instead of weapon handling a while back

Just stuck with it

[versed summit]

Bruh you can’t flex that hard on us

[rich lotus]

Yah I have both bp and chest rn with hs and talents but blue second attributes

Works for now

I might as well make use of my time rn since I'm free tomorrow

I got an emperors but with explosion damage sadly

I need one with hazard or a matador still

[limpid pelican]

Funny thing is that I almost deconstructed it... all I look for are pvp items and I just about overlooked it when I saw weapon handling

[rich lotus]

It's funny how on div1 I would have like thousands of hours just in pvp and in this one It's the opposite

[rich lotus]

That happens so often

You know when you holdz to just deconstruct but you see a gear mod in there and then you start overthinking

What if I just destroyed a 13% pfe?

[leaden mist]

Specifically for incursion would all skill haste healer or the standard repair/haste loadout be better? Running the usual FI, Setup, BTSU.

[tulip charm]

It doesn’t really matter

one sec difference for chem refill if you go full skill haste and worst healing hive

[dull ermine]

Generally I run haste for chems

[limpid pelican]

Oh I know... or if i ever leave stuff behind its like was that the double crit unbreakable I've yet to find?

[wise swallow]

either a really bad server (doubt) or youve met xing lao with you die now activated

[rich lotus]

100% cheater

[serene hare]

He's actually an brazilian player.

Lag don't do this.

[limpid pelican]

One of the builds of all time that one

Speedrunning pvp

[wise swallow]

Ive seen lag do similar things where you kill people before they even enter DZ thats not cheating but super rare hence the doubt

[serene hare]

Imagine an automatic 2 cannon shotgun with infinite ammo and shoots through walls?
Absolutely the weapon on all times.

And no spread too.

[limpid pelican]

Very legitimate gameplay

You probably should analyze the footage a bit more and spot what you did wrong

[wise swallow]

you have met xing lao with a Brazilian VPN

even more deadly combo

[limpid pelican]

Especially before posting it in the discord calling cheats

[serene hare]

No, he is actually an brazilian.

[wise swallow]

I dont have a cheater name for brazilians

[serene hare]

Yeah, I noticed that I shouldn't enter the dark zone with health, such a shame.

[limpid pelican]

Lol

You forgot to do the surrender emote as you walked out

[rich lotus]

@serene hare whats his full name again?

[serene hare]

"Espalha_Lixo"

Literally "trash spreader"

or "rubbish spreader"

Idk.

I think I heard his voice too, speaking portuguese.

[rich lotus]

Rofl

He does not care

[acoustic coral]

Build advice?

[rich lotus]

O shoot I thought we were in community

[acoustic coral]

Can't blatantly talk about specific people in bad faith anyways
I'd say this flag under rule 1
Don't get me wrong, fuck cheaters if that's the case, but we gotta respect the system here.

[serene hare]

This is very shameful, ngl.

[wise swallow]

advising on how to replicate Mr Brazilian legitimate players build aswell as skill level

[magic pilot]

Simple solution

Get good

[serene hare]

Ngl, every time I roll my Nemesis or my Mantis, I feel like I'm going to lose a ballsack

Would I be ok with only 2 tho?

[magic pilot]

wait till you get regulus

[serene hare]

Now I ran out of receiver components

[limpid pelican]

how much haz pro is required to not get foamed by 0 skill tier playeR?

[wise swallow]

you basically cant, 80% will still make a stutter step and going beyond that you wont even have enough dmg to kill them/stuttering wouldnt be a problem

[limpid pelican]

gotcha. its for bighorn hs regen. gonna try and see what the numbers are like for dmg. hoping its not too much of a loss

[wise swallow]

its not too bad

[limpid pelican]

lost about 40% in hs rolls

[wise swallow]

just use 1 yhaal and haz rolls

[limpid pelican]

exactly yeah swapped out gloves 2 piece golan 1p belstone and emps

[wise swallow]

should still get over 200 HSD

[wise swallow]

not using perfect efficient?

[limpid pelican]

using perfect intimidate

might have to give perf efficient a try

[wise swallow]

if its not for conflict, just have your everyday carrier with a HSD mod on it when you need to fight 2+ people

hot swap between the 2

[wise swallow]

its the best chest talent in the game imo

[limpid pelican]

agreed especially for solo. the moment ur out of medkits its gg

or just about

[wise swallow]

P eff has saved my life so many times and allowed me to just med kit and ego 3-4 people with confidence. Playing without it feels like a disadvantage

[limpid pelican]

i havent tried it with regen always gone the perfect intimidate route

gonna give it a shot

[wise swallow]

I use 2 golan, emp, everyday, yhaal and picarios/foxes/contractors

[limpid pelican]

ohh i see you dont use catharsis?

[wise swallow]

70k regen i think

[wise swallow]

hate catharsis

shit exotic. being a bullet sponge in order to get dmg isnt something i like

ik bh HSD and haz pro is tanky but i just dont like getting shot that much

pic/foxes is more reliable

[limpid pelican]

lol i definitely agree in the case of how ppl play mask in crit 1vs. i do like how it buffs the hell out of bighorn hs dmg though

[tawdry flare]

Wish the catharsis gave twd

[wise swallow]

if you can drop regen try this out

im playing around with wicked rn

[wise swallow]

what is the other blue roll, regen?

[magic pilot]

Regen and Hazpro to experiment

Ended up not keeping hazpro

[limpid pelican]

i want to give haz pro a go cause i constantly get foamed when running this build solo

[wise swallow]

this does alot more dmg then having regen and haz pro

its pretty comparable in dmg to a normal crit set up (on heads ofc)

[limpid pelican]

love the hell out of this regulus build

only downside is that all ur damage comes from having blues

[acoustic coral]

Thats hot, but to each their own (you have to admit it feels good to gamba for it, right? Don't worry, you'll have more stuff to reroll in no time)

[shy willow]

Imagine

I feel like I could do something funny with cap

Shame it wasn't glass cannon

[bright raptor]

yeeep, mortar build experimentation time

[shy willow]

I've been trying to farm yellow grupo for a while now I was so closeee

[tawdry flare]

Sometimes vendor sells it have to thank divtubers for discovery

[serene hare]

@onyx sage @magic pilot I got it

I finally got a god roll

Max MMR damage
Max headshot damage
Max DTTOOC

[magic pilot]

Holy shit

[serene hare]

I can't believe in it lol.

[muted hare]

Aye for regulus you want HSD or DTTOOC

[serene hare]

Why not both?

[muted hare]

You can only get one attribute, it’s an exotic pistol

[serene hare]

True, I forgot about it.

I think handguns in general gets stronger with headshot damage, but I forgot what it's special atribute does

1 sec.

[wet nimbus]

DTTOOC

[serene hare]

Since it's AoE, it feels like DTTOOC is better.

[onyx sage]

dttooc. you already get so much hsd from pistol

[muted hare]

Thanks I figured it would be Dttooc, cause I was gonna use it for a headshot build so I thought maybe HSD

Thanks gentlemen have a blessed night/day

[serene hare]

My damage got increased, now I need to improve the build itself (which is the hardest part).

@onyx sage Why would Striker be better than Aces for Mantis again?

The abilities feel like they are made for auto weapons.

[onyx sage]

no, hotshot, not striker

[serene hare]

Oh wait.

[onyx sage]

striker is for general use

[serene hare]

Doesn't look like it's very stronger than Aces.

[onyx sage]

it's the buff working differently

also the 2p and 3p are better

[shy willow]

It is

The 2/3 piece bonuses blow aces out of the water

Along with the 4 piece being very nice QOL if you have good aim

[serene hare]

I'm thinking in something.

hmm...

[serene hare]

When you feel useless, imagine being the atribute Precision in a Sniper Rifle.

[shy willow]

Empress is a placeholder for wyvern but otherwise how do I look

[serene hare]

Well, it's Kajika's set, so it's automatically good

Got 207% headshot damage, I think this build will working just fine.

I need to get better gear pieces tho.

They're not bad, basically everything is good, but I think it can get a little bit better.

[hazy steeple]

If you swapped the mask and knees around, you could fit Fox's Knees on there and get an extra source of dtooc.

[serene hare]

Hm?

Lemme check this.

[hazy steeple]

dtooc = damage to target out of cover. Very useful attribute and very hard to have too much of it since there's so few sources.
it's what should be as the 3rd attribute on pretty much every weapon anyway.

[magic pilot]

Keep chainkiller

[serene hare]

Wait a moment, you can actually change the stats of a exotic weapon?

[hazy steeple]

you can alter the 3rd attribute now as of a recent update, yep!

[serene hare]

Nah, I searched here, you can't.

[hazy steeple]

requires you to "reconfigure" the blueprint, but I'd hold off on doing that for now, since it a) randomises the % of the first 2 stats, and b) costs 1 Exotic Component each time.

[magic pilot]

His mantis is god rolled with dtooc

[serene hare]

Yeah, I got a god Mantis

[hazy steeple]

Cool either way, yes it is possible.

[serene hare]

I meant individual stats.

I know you can reroll exotics.

[hazy steeple]

all explained here.

[serene hare]

Still, not like I really need that.

I think I'll keep this build.

I just need better gear parts of what I already have.

But I think I'll not even bother.

2 headshots and I get into the peak damage of 23 million (unstacked is kinda mid tho, but ok).

This is enough for now.

[hazy steeple]

I assume you're using the AR there as a back-up gun, what're your crit stats whilst it's equipped?

[serene hare]

0%

I changed it all for headshot damage of 207%.

[hazy steeple]

No I mean chc and chd total on your stats page whilst your Agent is holding the gun.

[serene hare]

0% critical chance.

25% critical damage.

[hazy steeple]

That's what I thought yeah, you might wanna consider swapping out for an SMG instead, since it comes with 21% chc at a max roll.

[serene hare]

Not sure if it's really necessary.

[hazy steeple]

and your SHD watch will get you an extra 10% chc and 20% chd for free once its at SHD 1k.

[serene hare]

This will take some more years to me.

[hazy steeple]

It's faster than you think, but it's worth doing slow. By the time you're 1k you'll know div2 real well, the little tricks.

[serene hare]

I just got back to this game because the manhunt have something to do with one of a few characters I actually like a lot in this game (and I really hope we don't have to kill her).

I went off for some years, I think.

[hazy steeple]

One thing a lot of even vet players don't know is that you can shoot grenades out of mid-air.

even the BT launcher ones.

[serene hare]

Speaking of AR, I really need to change it, it's not really great.

[solar sable]

||just my opinion and what I do in one to two hours of daily gaming. I regularly play that much and gain around 10-15 (even more) shd levels by farming CP4's with 4D. Again, just my go thru.||

[serene hare]

Should I pick this tho?

12% dtooc

[hazy steeple]

You're very squishy with all red cores and LMG's kinda require you to be in the open due to their slow fire-rate.
for the hotshot build, I'd pick something more snappy.

I went for a Safety Distance as my first option, since it has the range of a mid-AR but with the SMG chc.

[serene hare]

If I pick to SR, their stats stack?

Nah.

[shy willow]

My backup is a fast hands mpx

[serene hare]

I think a fire stick might work well.

(Idk the actual name of this)

10% protection damage and 10% dtooc.

[devout agate]

I need help I’m doing good damage with my build but I die way to fast I have 1.2m damage (pvp btw)

I’m using Oreo

[serene hare]

The cookies?

[solar sable]

lol, it's a smg called Ouroboros but people just call it oreo

[serene hare]

Well, dying fast is something very common for weapon or skill DPS builds.

[devout agate]

I have a dps build but I want a build thatll let me live but at the same time do a ton of damage

It sucks just going in getting a kill then dieing to a whole team

[serene hare]

Well, there's liberty + shield build

or Mantis builds.

[devout agate]

Does it work well with the ouroboros

[serene hare]

Gotta go now.

[devout agate]

💀

[devout agate]

Can u send me it

[fresh grove]

Boomstick?

[tulip charm]

@magic pilot

Help impulse

[devout agate]

yes please

[shy willow]

Well you can try 6 blues if dying is the problem

With unbreakable

And build for crits

[devout agate]

I wouldn’t be doing any damage

I need atleast like 2m armor

Idk how to build in pvp

[shy willow]

Well that's the tradeoff

Either you have survivability and less damage or more damage and less survivability that's how it works

Try 6 blues with unbreakable and build for crits

[devout agate]

alright

[ornate flame]

Does anyone have a good Foundry Bulwark build for DZ? Looking for some ideas TYIA 👍 preferably solo

[shy willow]

Foundry bulwark is garbo any way you slice it outside of certain raid encounters

Especially when you're solo

[ornate flame]

Just trying to test out some new builds lol TY for the insight. I’ve done a little bit of everything aside from Tanky

[shy willow]

If you want tanky you can go full blue with crits or try a regen build

[tulip sedge]

hello guys , any build for diamondback ? i'm using negotiator with coyote mask but seem the set effect seem effectless

[shy willow]

Negotiators is it's best use

[shut ravine]

That build is fine mate, you can also use the Tabula Rasa, its got kickass damage and if you use Strikers plus one LMG piece you get great handling. I headshot (decent amount of hits per clip) with a Bulletking, Tabula and Negev at 30-40m and not a crackshot.

[shut ravine]

One of my fav things to do.

[stiff jasper]

Never good

[acoustic coral]

My backup is another mmr 😎

[shy willow]

Coldest loadout

[acoustic coral]

@wise swallow is your friend for most pvp stuff

[vestal ibex]

My backup is a DCH shot.

[acoustic coral]

Can we promote drinking here? /s

[vestal ibex]

Shot of the D... D50 that is.

[acoustic coral]

I either run nemesis or my M700 as main with Digital Scope, then some other MMR with the 3% HSD red dot or whatever it is. M870 on some occasions

[acoustic coral]

Shot of the day?
Jägerbombs, always

[normal cypress]

@acoustic coral sorry about the delay. think i know why your numbers aren't matching up with the ones published on the build guide. the numbers are averaged across enemy types (health, armored, ooc health, ooc armored). each category is calculated individually and then averaged out, as they're conditional, and not guaranteed.
if you still want the exact formula for nego's DTA, lmk, ill get it in a readable format

[acoustic coral]

No worries mate, I've been watching the PGL CS2 Major this weekend in person, so I've barely been at my pc ^^
I reverse engineered the formula to about a 1% difference at maximum between my calculations and yours, so I figured I was on the right track.
I'll be happy to see what you used and compare to mine

[normal cypress]

okay so the formula is in code, i've replaced syntax to non-code where possible. the actual formula is;

((base.WeaponDamage + calculated.WeaponDamage) * (base.CHC * (base.CHD + (headshot_chance * base.HSD))) * amp(s) * conditional_amps * multiTarget + (1 - base.CHC) * (base.WeaponDamage + calculated.WeaponDamage) * Math.Max((headshot_chance * base.HSD), 1) * amp(s)) * (base.RPM / 60)

base: is the raw character stat
headshot_chance: is a param provided to the code to simulate headshot effects
amp(s): is the total amplification from any talent modifiers
conditional_amps: is the total amp from conditionals like dtooc, dta, dth
multiTarget: is the target multiplier including conditional dta

this formula is used with different values depending on the target types - when calculating the armored target type, conditional amps include DTA values from base, as does multiTarget
so for each target type the formula is calculated and then the results are averaged. at the time of writing that was;
raw + health + armored + health ooc + armored ooc / 5
this won't be the exact method in the future but its how it was calculated at the time of writing the guide :)

hope that helps! fyi it isn't final, there are likely some bugs in it that will be addressed before its all up and ready for consumption :)

[stiff jasper]

If you don't know how to build in pvp, I strongly recommend you copy and paste those pvp meta build, do not having your own ideas, until you actually know how to pvp, then you can identify what is necessary in pvp and what is not

[onyx sage]

is dta double dipping accounted for?

[strong cave]

@rich lotus this is the DPS build you typically wanna take into incursion

everything all CHD

then crit hit chance if youre lacking a little bit. my watch level isnt max just yet but most of my stuff is fairly optimized. if you want a different gun, run Backfire instead of St Elmos. youll be healed always from healer and the CHD boost is insane

[rich lotus]

Nice

[strong cave]

this is what your stats should be around IF you swap over to backfire. ofc youre max watch levels so itll be much higher

also take into account the teammates coyotes buff so youll get some insane crits and crit chance

[rich lotus]

Yeah. Getting bad rolls on this gun tho lol

[urban latch]

You'll be a bit better off with ceska over foxes, especially your secondary. Also really recommend bloody knuckles for the boss fights

[rich lotus]

I'd have to reroll the dang backfire too looks like

[vestal ibex]

Backfire isnt needed.

It's not even that good. I'd suggest if you are bored and looking for some lolz to use it.

[fickle light]

as the highest tier of backfire simp- please dont use it in the incursion

[strong cave]

yeah for a FTC, dont use it unless you have people that can keep you alive

[vestal ibex]

For an optimized run I wouldn't suggest it either, it's only good for bored/memes.

It's harder to farm for, it's gonna cost more materials and effort to max, it's not usable outside of anything really, just save your time and forget about a weapon that might do like 1% more damage at max stacks.

[urban latch]

On paper it seems solid, and the boss fights you could actually meaningfully get your stacks up, and you have a healer to keep you alive, do it seems like it makes sense. But once you factor in that the bleed means your constantly losing the FI buff it's whole advantage goes away

[tawdry flare]

Btw if someone uses booster hive oc

You can get away with 1 yahl pcs

[tulip charm]

how much is oc booster buffs?

Shouldnt you be immune if you're getting heals during dps phase?

[magic pilot]

Ehh not quite

[tawdry flare]

Ask the encyclopedia not me

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawdry flare]

Someone in-game oc their booster with the 10% stim efficiency mod

[tulip charm]

wait theres a stim efficiency mod?

[flint wave]

yes

[tawdry flare]

Yes 10%

@urban latch do you know what is the max oc booster value

[tawdry flare]

Blue color to match elmo

I have 9.9% mod iirc

[tulip charm]

full immunity if you oc

[acoustic coral]

Can you start a movement to get backfire stacks decaying or something isntead of straight gone. I wanna simp it so much, but it's just so mid

[urban latch]

Ceska > foxes

Looks solid though

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's not bad, 48% CHC is kinda low imo as you'll be in close buff most of the incursion.

[rich lotus]

But why isn't it as high as the other guy was saying?

173% chd?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah - my 52%chc 173%chd note was to the regular striker build with ceska obli chest, but I'm still wondering how there's that 4% difference

[rich lotus]

I literally just had that tho and was told to change out ceska for foxes

[vestal ibex]

Honestly it doesn't matter too much.

Some advice is worth a change but this is a minor difference.

[magic pilot]

Because someone didn't know what they were talking about

[glossy scarab]

not that big a difference but ceska (or grupo if your chc is already good) will get you higher numbers than foxes

[rich lotus]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2GBWETgSQBhDvvcAuSCCHUCADllWxjIPz0IE4pwZO44V60RkAOgZNGhSu3KNeGaaKaEwbaFPzBUs+XKJLJnNRpHaFYBOlizglNsBbkWsFhEuowoAOyErPKtFejgcg0cBEVIUBx3Ni1yYEEVIixiaOMxMBi5IA

[vestal ibex]

The thing is if you change ceska to foxes you need to put CHC back into the build.

[rich lotus]

This was my original

[tulip charm]

change the chc to chd on bag

When running elmos you dont need chc pieces on striker

[vestal ibex]

Really this is getting to be "your overthinking it" and you should probably just run the incursion.

[tulip charm]

xd

[tawdry flare]

Carry him

[rich lotus]

Maybe weapon mod?

[vestal ibex]

I'm at work yo.

[rich lotus]

Idk tbh weapon mods are 5% anyways

[tulip charm]

You carry him

[rich lotus]

The weapon is st elmos anyway

[acoustic coral]

Oh actually, I remembered now.
Foxes' has the DTTOC, so there's only CHC/CHD on it - and mods could be non-max roll

Here's the regular striker

[tawdry flare]

If you don't have Oreo just use Scorpio for incursion

[rich lotus]

I don't need to be carried. I can be taught and learn how to do it right.

Who needs to run it?

[tawdry flare]

I am waiting to get carried myself

[rich lotus]

I can help you out if you want

[tulip charm]

You want me to carry?

[rich lotus]

I just want to get the ouroboros. That's the only purpose of me doing it.

[tulip charm]

Im only a support player because no1 wants to do it

😠

[rich lotus]

Booting up the game then we can run a few to try your luck

And your build is fine, better than some people I had to deal with in soloq...

Well I brought chc up to 53.6 so..

[magic pilot]

I can carry him

Give me 15 min

[vestal ibex]

Breh make me foods.

[magic pilot]

What you want?

[rich lotus]

Your pfp is a lie THAT ISNT ELMOS I demand a elmos gif

[tawdry flare]

Your soul

[acoustic coral]

Here's the regular striker

Here's [striker with chest](Here's the regular striker)

[rich lotus]

I always do it ez

Specially now that I can brag about my the setup unicorn

[rich lotus]

What talent?

Ez

But like I said I was told to take it off for foxes

Nah

Ceska rules

[urban latch]

For the incursion you want the strikers chest, so just swap out any other piece (other than backpack and whatever exotic your using) for ceska

[vestal ibex]

keep in mind the advice was followed with using a backfire...

[rich lotus]

Well

I used it too on lovebirds wasn't terrible lol

[tawdry flare]

Advice backfired

[rich lotus]

But anywhere else and it sucks

If only my game opened I would love to play this gamne

[vestal ibex]

For a meme/I'm bored sure but someone looking to gear up is....

[acoustic coral]

@rich lotus This is the goal for the two variations, this is max statted, if you hit around 50% CHC and 160+ CHD, you're golden (improvements comes after that)

[rich lotus]

Whats your ign?

CynMod

[acoustic coral]

-6% CHC + 12% CHD

[urban latch]

You really don't want to assume the mid buff in the incursion

[rich lotus]

Join up then we run it

[acoustic coral]

Ah, tru, tru, myb

[rich lotus]

I don't have any way to change out another right now lol

[acoustic coral]

You fr? Teach me strat on the fly then, I'm down

I need my cookie

[rich lotus]

My brain is fried

[acoustic coral]

angy

[rich lotus]

I thought you were rudolph for a second

[tawdry flare]

59/166 with Oreo

[rich lotus]

Is that a fr request or

[acoustic coral]

yeah

[rich lotus]

ign?

[acoustic coral]

[acoustic coral]

It's in the brackets lmao

[tawdry flare]

[glossy scarab]

rude_dawg

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

Need 2 more than 11 more Petter after a . To chain

[rich lotus]

I'm gonna slap you

OH IT IS YOU

[tawdry flare]

Bloody knuckles activated

[rich lotus]

GET ON THENNN

[shy willow]

What is occuring

[acoustic coral]

I am, lemme get the incursion version ready lmao

[shy willow]

If y'all do gate strat it's on sight

[tulip charm]

Tell them naval

[acoustic coral]

If we end up doing that, blame Hezu. I've never been in there

[shy willow]

You never done one?

[rich lotus]

I hate gate strat

Too slow

[shy willow]

Teach Rudy the right way to do it

[rich lotus]

Will do

[magic pilot]

Only did 1 Elmo on accident

Are we running incursion or no? Cause I'm ready

[glossy scarab]

damn i figured yall were at wright by now

[magic pilot]

Are they running it already?

[glossy scarab]

i have no idea i wasnt gettin in on that

[magic pilot]

Ahh

[rich lotus]

Made rudolph give wright a lil kiss when he died

[normal cypress]

yep. add the DTA value to the target multi!

[rich lotus]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea&noteKey=6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea%2F6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&title=Future%2BInitiative%2BHealer%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

[acoustic coral]

I wanted to kiss the flame

[rich lotus]

I forgot to disable the hive that's the only reason you didn't evaporate when he exploded lol

[acoustic coral]

Wasn't I 1-shot protected?

[rich lotus]

His explosion breaks your whole armor and some of your health then the fire damage finishes you off

[rich lotus]

From what?

[shy willow]

its usually an instant death

osp usually doesn't save you from the fire

[rich lotus]

I was so gonna clip it if only I didn't forget to disable the hive lol

[acoustic coral]

That's fair - I know he was gonna bakoom, my hands are just cold so wanted them heated up

[rich lotus]

The amount of new players I got to do it without knowing anything lol worth it

There we go

[shy willow]

newer players always berate me for running behind moss and shooting him that way I don't get why tbh

[rich lotus]

I held my self so much to not shoot him when he's on the floor dead and everyone was looting

😂 sneakiest kaboom

[shy willow]

like the guy died pretty fast

nah cuz the amount of times somebody has blown the tank and killed me is crazy

and the Greek fire barrels

someone always ends up shooting the one below top right and it gets on my nerves

[vestal ibex]

I hate when people wanna argue about the barrels, if they in your area idc but don't shoot the ones near me.

[shy willow]

fr

[rich lotus]

Doing that when everyone is looting his stuff has no price lol

[gentle lichen]

That's always what you do

[devout agate]

@wise swallow can u help me out with my build

[magic pilot]

Let's see if

[devout agate]

Alr one sec

This is my pvp build rn

But I’m dying way to fast

[magic pilot]

Wow

[tulip charm]

Bruh...

[devout agate]

Is it bad?

[glossy scarab]

hey at least they got an ouroborus somehow

[devout agate]

I farmed incursions for it and got it from the chest

[glossy scarab]

right on

[magic pilot]

So far the only good gear piece you have on currently is the picaros

[rocky rain]

I’m building that standard dps. What are the best weapons to combine with? I now have Elmo. Is that good? And how do you regenerate your armor?

[magic pilot]

The high end?

[rocky rain]

Yes. Almost everything already maxed out

[devout agate]

Not even the Zero F’s?

[urban latch]

Elmo's is a solid choice, but the build is very flexible to use basically any. Use your med kits to regen armor

[rocky rain]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9&noteKey=2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9%2F2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808&title=The%2BStandard%2BDPS%2BBuild%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

This one

[devout agate]

What do I run for pvp

[rocky rain]

Oh, and which specialization? I’m on Gunner now

[urban latch]

Spec is down to preference and situation. Gunner us alright for the rof, ammo, and small amount of armor on kill.

[magic pilot]

For smg. Picaros, contractors, Fox, coyotes and 2 pc sokolov

[devout agate]

ty

[wise swallow]

whats up

[devout agate]

needed help with my build

[wise swallow]

prodigy already help?

[magic pilot]

yes

[vestal ibex]

Poopdigy.

[lyric prism]

I like it.

[magic pilot]

no

[devout agate]

No ninja backpack?

[lyric prism]

ninja works if you are building a niche set of some kind but you lose a really good talent doing such.

[devout agate]

Can I loot allocate all this?

[lyric prism]

sokolov would be chest and head. its locked by the other pieces.

[sterile sequoia]

Chest and backpack?

[lyric prism]

Correction: backpack and chest, ty

[devout agate]

Coyote is mask

What’s fox and contractors?

[sterile sequoia]

Fox Prayer Knees and Contactor’s Gloves

Picaro’s Holster

[lyric prism]

(named)

[devout agate]

Oh ok Ty

[devout agate]

How much armor am I supposed to have

Because rn I have 800k

[lyric prism]

for pvp? most red cores roll to blue.

you are going to have to farm pieces if you want best rolls.

[rocky rain]

Has anyone succeeded in making Heartbreaker work? I like the huge strip of blue armor but it’s gone in a breeze ..

[onyx sage]

it's just how it is at high difficulty. i'm assuming you're bringing it into legendary?

[rocky rain]

No, run and gun Heroic CP’s solo

To test it

[onyx sage]

well in heroic it's still going to be easy depending on the number of blues you have

you still have to rely on your shield because it's the bulk of your durability, your shield is just much tankier than your actual armor

[wise swallow]

yes

[wise swallow]

as much as possible

when your first starting out id recommend as many as you can possibly get

your movement and aim is likely to be quite poor so it gives you some breathing room

[wise swallow]

which is 5 btw

or 1.7m armour

[devout agate]

Can I just use a full blue striker gear set and Coyote

[wise swallow]

Yes but striker is a much harder play style

Requires a lot more shooting and moving whilst also not dying

It’s very hard to play solo

[serene hare]

If I pick 2 SRs, the headshot damage / dtooc stacks with each other?

[devout agate]

Oh ok gotchu

[blissful rampart]

DTOOC is a separate multiplier, so it does multi HSD.

but dtooc on gun only applies when using that gun (doesnt work if holsted)

[serene hare]

I meant them separately, one or another.

I have two snipers, both with 100% headshot damage, will I get 200% on each weapon?

[ruby latch]

Hi real quick, returning player I've seen a thing about expertise not being in conflict but does that mean it's active in the DZ?

[hexed steppe]

any attributes/talent only apply to the weapon in hand

[normal cypress]

no, any weapon attributes only apply to the weapon when its equipped

[normal cypress]

jynx

[hexed steppe]

🍻 beer instead of coke for you 😅

[devout agate]

Is it good on conflict?

[rich cosmos]

Just use heartbreaker at that point

[wise swallow]

?

[wise swallow]

Eh, it’s hard to play right

[rich cosmos]

Why bother using a full blue striker when you can use a build that is similar concept, built around blues, and actually unique

[wet nimbus]

I thought they were building blue striker for pvp?

[wise swallow]

Because the unique one is easily countered and when countered is entirely useless

It’s fine if you can switch builds but he doesn’t have that luxury

So something more universal makes more sense

[devout agate]

Sorta

[wise swallow]

I like striker in conflict but there are times where it’s a pain in the ass

Tho I have 7 different conflict builds so I have variety

You don’t

[devout agate]

I just used it I’m not dieing to fast and I’m doing a ton of damage

But should I change the chest to zero fs?

[glossy scarab]

if youre running a shotgun sure

[devout agate]

For its talent

[glossy scarab]

yeah but is the difference btwn regular unbreakable and zero Fs enough to lose out on a better brand bonus

[wise swallow]

No use ceska and normal Unbreakable