td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

And use Scorpio

[magic pilot]

youve got to be kidding me

[dull ermine]

Deconstruct? 👁️

jk jk

[magic pilot]

I said the other day, if I get a 13% pfe mod I'm playing pc forever

[tawdry flare]

Time to switch

[dull ermine]

Damn bro switched up

Can I have your spare controllers pls

[magic pilot]

2k hours and 5k shd on console no pfe

Less than 100 hours on pc 13%

[dull ermine]

Rigged

[magic pilot]

Feels like a setup to make me restart

[dull ermine]

Also confirmation black market rpk can take tech pulse

It also feels the heaviest and is the smoothest to handle

[rich lotus]

Lucky bastard

Where did you get it

Has 13% PFE ever been sold ever?

[fallen comet]

not as far as i know

[rich lotus]

Maxed out mods have been sold right just not the very rare ones

Never check since most my stuff I get from farming tbh

[fallen comet]

if you buy and play the game on xbox youll get one in 10 hours then

[magic pilot]

Tidal basin legendary

[magic pilot]

No it doesn't from what I've seen

[rich lotus]

Lucky baaastard 😂

It's the game trying to win you over to pc fr

[tawdry flare]

I already said that when we ran

[snow mural]

elmo, I want to change to another assault rifle

[tepid trout]

Why,

[snow mural]

[rich lotus]

Do you know which one specifically and can you check how much CHC you have atm?

[stiff jasper]

Use firewall, whatever you use elmo or other guns

[rich lotus]

Also this

[stiff jasper]

Also use ceska

[snow mural]

My crit chance is 59.1 and my damage chance is 123.0

[rich lotus]

Do you know which AR you're planning on using?

[stiff jasper]

Too low of crit damage because you roll chc, or using mod, which those attributes and mods you suppose having chd

[snow mural]

I don't use mods for critical hit damage

[snow mural]

I play with assault rifles most often

[rich lotus]

Famas?

[snow mural]

famasa you recommend

[solar sable]

imo F2k with Measured

[rich lotus]

Might as well get shield splint at that point then lol

[solar sable]

yas

[rich lotus]

Specially since it's a blue core pvp build

[stiff jasper]

That's why I am telling your chd too low

[rich lotus]

Holy moly, elmost gives 20% chc??

[rich lotus]

Ideally

have all pieces with CHD and 1 ceska with the talent you want

I did not know elmos gave 20% chc thats a surprise rofl

[acoustic coral]

YEP, it's why it's the go to - linked you iKias spreadsheet on ARs yesterday

[rich lotus]

Nope

I still hate it and will nver use it

🥂

My beloved ouroboros

[peak sphinx]

Elmo is easy in use and dmg wise not terrible but if takling exotic AR's the EB does way more dmg its just a but harder to control. It has less chc/chd on mods so you need to put more into chc to reach cap but even with less chd it still hits a fair bit harder at only 50rpm and 10 rounds less. Plus if you have the tenacity buff active you can face tank whatever you want

[versed summit]

It does about 1%-3% more damage on a striker build... If you want damage take a high end AR with a damage talent.

[pulsar hound]

Ah, the bag has the crit chance

[stiff jasper]

How about you get 15%amplifier damage while eb buffs is activate

[acoustic coral]

Which also doesn't give you much more than 5-10%, because of all the stats Elmo gives along with high rpm, mag and good base damage

[versed summit]

Yep. Not to mention it's sustain, that while not beating viable Fast Hands weapons, will still beat out every Strained AR.

[sterile sequoia]

Elmo’s usage in this game is asking for a nerf. I fear for the worst

[hexed steppe]

Doubt

[sterile sequoia]

I mean, I also hope I’m terribly wrong

[versed summit]

if they're not nerfing determined they're definitely not gonna nerf elmo

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio still exists and is/was on a ton of builds.

[versed summit]

yeah scorpio kinda nuts

[vestal ibex]

Scorp and oreo would call for a nerf way before elmo.

Elmo only gets called for nerfs by people who can't aim well enough to hit their shots with HE ARs, change my mind.

[hexed steppe]

Elmo called for nerf from pvp community that cant handle a shock ⚡

[stiff jasper]

Elmo "nerf" twice, first you can't stack while you have shock ammo, second shock ammo nerf to 50%

But most non-sense of elmo is duration , imagine shock are most powerful hard control, powerful than foam
Scorpio foam around 4 second, not benefit by status effect
Elmo shock around 4 second also, able benefit by status effects
Player need 90% resistance to against elmo which with no status effect

BTW to against 0tier 0status foam Chem,you need 80 only

[peak sphinx]

Wich dmg talent you talk about then cus if you compare it to a g36 (same rpm) with optimised the EB does more dmg almost the whole mag only last few bullets of the g36 do a bit more. And elmo is deffinitly good and it comes with high handling so it needs no skill to shoot and hit so it does make it for a noobsafe gun to use. And for pvp strikers aint ideal (sure it can work) so better of using high end wich to me the EB feels so much stronger and kills faster if you can control the recoil

[ornate dome]

Yall is this build comp?

[bright raptor]

No

[versed summit]

Strained. if you're somehow hitting 100% HS in actual gameplay (you're not) G36 w/Strained will still beat out the EB by albeit a miniscule amount. I would assume that overall Optimist would also win on HS because of how it scales with HS.

[ornate dome]

How so? Sorry just tryna learnm

[bright raptor]

Contractors' damage to armor bonus isn't good enough to cover for the loss of a good chest talent, and Memento is stronger for Hunter's Fury setups unless you're in a 4 player group and can't reliably secure kills

[versed summit]

keep in mind the less headshots you hit the worse EB is.

[vestal ibex]

That's NBB....

[versed summit]

yeah I think they were suggesting memento over NBB

[bright raptor]

why did you think I would say that Memento is stronger if it actually was already part of the build? 😛

[vestal ibex]

Because sometimes you misread a not perfectly written sentence.

[stiff jasper]

Nothing is impossible after I saw devs use 5 striker on official stream

[versed summit]

I thought it was fine but I also misread perfectly written sentences so 🤷‍♂️

[peak sphinx]

Why is that? Less hs is worse for all AR's. And strained requires to mag dump or it resets (and on a full blue build wich most run in pvp) optimized is better cus it does not require non stop shooting to get the most out of it

[versed summit]

because HS is additive to CHD it makes Strained look a little worse vs something like Optimist when calculating 100% HS.

while overall less headshots is less damage for all ARs, they will scale differently based on if they have a CHD talent, and some other factors.

people like to complain about strained for that but it's really not an issue IMO.

[urban latch]

Your giving up a ton by running ninjabike backpack and the HF chest. Give this HF guide a look

[peak sphinx]

Fair enough,but elmo/EB both have no dmg talent so between those 2 if feels to me EB does better

[stiff jasper]

Imo , issue of strain in pvp is you need keep firing or constantly click, menas if you looking for max stack, you can't strafe, once you strafe,you lost all stack = lost damage

[stiff jasper]

EB have 15 amp while buff activate in pvp

[versed summit]

How? where?

[stiff jasper]

Not show on text

[peak sphinx]

You take less dmg with it active but never noticed a dmg buff during it

[versed summit]

dang ok

[peak sphinx]

Gotta pay attention nxt time then. But that would if true even be more in my favour that EB beats elmo if you can handle the recoil

[stiff jasper]

You can test it
If it have 15amp, then you know how bad of devs
If not, I am sorry for my information are not latest

[peak sphinx]

I know when the EB came out years ago it had a dmg buff when tenacity was active but dont recall it still being there

[stiff jasper]

BTW I mean pvp, 15amp won't happen in pve

[vestal ibex]

Should just verify it vs speculation tho...

Really if this were the case it would be bigger news.

[versed summit]

wouldn't surprise me if they removed the text and DMG buff, then reverted the DMG buff accidentally or otherwise later.

[gentle lichen]

15% amp when talent active? I can test. Does this only apply to players in dz?

[peak sphinx]

Lol facts,at this point its hard to "surprise" us with anything good or bad

[peak sphinx]

If it excist for pvp i would assume DZ/conflict

[vestal ibex]

No chat damage numbers rip.

[stiff jasper]

Because they usually fix or change something quietly and they won't tell you on issue board or patch note, recently i am busy and I don't have time to test everything everyday

[peak sphinx]

I dont think it has it cus been using the EB for along time now and never noticed it got a dmg buff during tenacity. But i also dont really eyeball the numbers that much during a pvp fight so yea

[stiff jasper]

Test it thankyou bro

[gentle lichen]

I safely confirm this i will send the clip shortly

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying you were using this as fact for an argument while knowing this might not be fact. It's better to just ask to verify cause really it's quite the game changer if true.

[hazy steeple]

It does seem rather odd that no one noticed that the most PvP focused exotic in the game gets a damage buff whilst in PvP.

[stiff jasper]

BTW a lot more thing are not same as their text

[hazy steeple]

Deco you know how this works, it's a guess until you have 100% proven it.

it's not a "prove I'm wrong" situation.

[stiff jasper]

Sorry my bad

[peak sphinx]

So it does give a buff in pvp during tenacity?

[gentle lichen]

Subject was noncompliant and catharsis made the numbers a bit iffy but there is definitely a damage increase

Jesus the quality is shit though

[versed summit]

noncompliant lmao

[stiff jasper]

nice foam

[gentle lichen]

Were the numbers clear tho?

[peak sphinx]

Kinda hard to tell in my phone but for now i take you're word for it but deffinitly gonna test it myself with a more compliant target 🤣

[gentle lichen]

Back to the classics

Much more clear

[vestal ibex]

LOL you the man

[urban latch]

I can't read the numbers to get exactly how much things are increasing, but catharsis is really throwing things off here

[vestal ibex]

I mean still kinda hard to see but it's funny.

Really there will be much better testing once others catch wind of it tho.

[rich lotus]

If anyone on pc wants to test it with me rn

[stiff jasper]

I can online after 2 hours so if someone are interest about it

[urban latch]

I can't read any of these numbers, but the catharsis is going to make numbers vary by 30%. By having that on and being shot at the whole time this test is effectively meaningless

[peak sphinx]

If no clear answer in a few hours i will sacrifice my gf for science and clear it up

[rich lotus]

Rauc are you on rn?

[rich lotus]

😂 😂

For science

[urban latch]

No, I'm at work

[stiff jasper]

Why don't just invite you gf to join division math and game code lessons

[urban latch]

I can't see exact numbers, but your initial numbers are near 0-10 catharsis stacks, then once you proc the EB your at near max catharsis stacks. So the claimed 15% amp from EB is even smaller than what we know will see from catharsis

[gentle lichen]

I will change to punch drunk

That'll keep it consistent

[peak sphinx]

Cus she cant be botherd about stuff like this lol. She just shoots stuff and if stuff dies before she does it works ..... thats her math and in a way she aint wrong tho

Having a non moving target would make it ideal to see the numbers clear and keep it as simple as possible. So just bribe somebody to stand still and get shot at

[gentle lichen]

Switched to punch drunk and retried

[urban latch]

Same numbers?

[gentle lichen]

100k pre tenacity. 121k post

[peak sphinx]

Wow.... and to think i never noticed it.... gawd im blind😅

[urban latch]

Is this pvp only?

[gentle lichen]

According to deco

[peak sphinx]

Could you bully 2 npc's for us to confirm that?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i believe so

[urban latch]

These 144p clips are not useful lol

[gentle lichen]

251k armor damage 304k health damage pre 304k armor 368k health post

[gentle lichen]

Im hating this i will just ss

Does this math out to be a 20% increase?

[hazy steeple]

Are you recording this on a flip-phone by any chance?

This looks an awful lot like video taken on my old Sagem.

[gentle lichen]

It actually looks good in the studio discord just fucks it up

[rich lotus]

304 > 368

[hazy steeple]

It looks good for cutting room floor footage of Cloverfield.

[gentle lichen]

I'll pretend i know what that is

[hazy steeple]

found-footage movie, but an actually decent one.
Think "godzilla but blair witch".

[gentle lichen]

Or Apollo spaceship footage

[rich lotus]

Would love to test myself but everyone is at work and asking dz players to help you out with maths doesn't really work well rofl

[storm halo]

anyone just got a basic ar crit build i could see? just trying to throw one together

for dz

[sacred oriole]

Do you play regen with critical damage ?

[covert meadow]

Is hunters fury worth the build process for solo pve content on heroic?

[glossy scarab]

hell yeah

[rich lotus]

Def

[covert meadow]

Ok cool, the one on the hot link page or has it changed?

[rich lotus]

You'll have a blast playing the shotguns close range one

Idk if that's the one on there

[covert meadow]

There's one with actual pieces of hunters, with 2 shotguns and regulus and then there's one with a shotgun and rifle

[onyx sage]

the latter is more friendly to new players

[covert meadow]

Ok ty guys

[stiff jasper]

Do you want to test right now?
I can online 10 min later

[dense seal]

@urban latch @gentle lichen
Full Tenacity test in PvP.
93,986 and 254,701 Crit. before Tenacity.
108,837 and 322,157 Crit with Tenacity.
Interestingly, this is a 16% buff on non crit and 26.5% buff on crit.

I was also able to get this to work a few times in the Range.
I declare bug.

[urban latch]

The difference on crit vs non crit seems like it's some buff to hsd?

If you compare to your base hsd, what's the difference

Wait.... That the wrong direction though, wtf

Is it a hsd amp....

[vestal ibex]

In the clip it's all body shots.

[gentle lichen]

It definitely amped the headshot by around 20%

[dense seal]

All shots were performed on body, aside from procing Tenacity on NPS.

[gentle lichen]

On the clip i've posted

It is not pvp only apparently

[urban latch]

Only thing I can think of that would do that is an amp like: (hsd% + chd%) x tenacity amp

[dense seal]

Yes. when I got Tenacity to apply in PvE, although inconsistent and not in the mind set to test this for a few hours straight. I can say that a prerequisite is getting Tenacity maxed out.

I was unable to get it to apply at all when using Reds.
Against Elites and Named is when I was able to get it to apply.

Though not 100% consistently. Something else is factoring in. No too sure what.

[late plume]

Interesting to say the least. Happy to help

[tawdry flare]

Feels like Vroom looks like I am in wrong discord

[mint axle]

Should I use the skill duration mods or skill haste mods for my "white phosphorus" build?

[tawdry flare]

Skill haste cause spam imo

[vestal ibex]

Haste, duration doesn't work the way you'd think it does with these skills.

[tawdry flare]

Also airburst is meh use chems of fire

[tawdry flare]

Haste always works the same way for every skill

[peak sphinx]

As he said .... duration doesnt haste does

[vestal ibex]

Well good thing I was talking about duration.

[tawdry flare]

You made the sentence confusing

[shy willow]

just imagine a semi colon in place of the comma

[tawdry flare]

Just image 5.11 instead of comma

Soul are you not gonna make one

[vestal ibex]

I have fire EP tho?

[acoustic coral]

Not really, it was easy to understand.
Haste - his recommendation
, duration doesn't work the way you'd think it does with these skills - why you should pick haste.

[shy willow]

maybe one day they'll make 5.11 511 times better

[flint wave]

Grammar is hard

[tawdry flare]

I only know 5.11 grammer

[tawdry flare]

Imagine 6pcs bonus grants 5.11% amp per 5.11 Pcs

[flint wave]

striker at home

[vestal ibex]

Bro my smooth brain is gud at the words yo.

[tawdry flare]

Ok than say 5.11 is meta

[shy willow]

Most garbagE brandseT in the gAme

[vestal ibex]

Too smoove for that, would slide right off.

[shy willow]

💀

[mint axle]

Lengmo: hold my beer

[shy willow]

at least you can use lengmo with pestilence or do a funny with an all red backbone

5.11 is just truly one of the brands

[tawdry flare]

Never say ever

[hazy steeple]

That's a pretty common word to remove from your vocabulary.

[glossy scarab]

whats the word for when you can't think of the word?

oh yeah Lethologica

[peak sphinx]

Health/clutch build has use for 1pc 5.11

And is actually pretty decent for pvp

[wise swallow]

clutch is not good

health isnt good either, your extending your life by maybe 1 shot from an AR

maybe 2 shots

your better off just running a DPS focused piece or armour % brands

[peak sphinx]

It works better then you might think and its something else then the same boring stuff

If below 20% armour and you are shooting another player clutch keeps procing and with the ouro you crit that fast that you can facetank the other one

[night yarrow]

I am COOKIN

still need my holster tho

[acoustic coral]

You're not good at cooking, looks kinda burnt tbh

[night yarrow]

yeah I'm finishing it off rn

also taht backpack is proxy

*that

[tulip charm]

what is going on

[peak sphinx]

[tulip charm]

Hopefully you're cooking something good and not poison

[mint axle]

He is probably cooking one of the grenades on his Collector chest

[night yarrow]

*she

bruv

the fit is funky

CHIIIIIIIIIILL

[magic pilot]

Are we playing spam the build tab with stuff that's not build related?

[night yarrow]

oh yeah mb

forgor

sowwy ;w;

[acoustic coral]

#divashion if you want to share looks.

[acoustic coral]

And yeah, since this is build-advice - you remind me of the guy from Fast and Furious that can't cook, his friend wants to buy him a cooking course.
You need one

[hexed steppe]

Just gotta start with easy stuff... like ice, then step up to something like toast...

[onyx sage]

fried air, my favorite

[magic pilot]

I'm available

[rich lotus]

They kind of already did at test ig

[magic roost]

So I’m putting together a hotshot sniper build just for gigs. My question is whether or not it is useful in dz/pvp too. I have a striker dz build I’m just curious

[magic pilot]

3 hotshot for PvP

[olive sail]

i Dont understand what you are trying to archieve with that....

[night yarrow]

esplosiv go gaboooom :3

[olive sail]

but there way better gear than that

[night yarrow]

I love belstone too much to drop it

I'm trying to get ridgeways but its taking forever so I need a fun temp build

[covert meadow]

I gotta farm another 870 with pummel probably, but is this good for the pve content heroic open world and missions?

And is there room for an extra blue on one of the headshot damage? Or by collecting trophies is it not needed, since I'm suppose to be up close ?

Mods are chd on guns or should be headshot to?

[magic pilot]

If you need more survivability run gunner or technician

You need to get shotgun over 150% hsd

[covert meadow]

Yeah there's headshot damage everywhere

[magic pilot]

you have chd mods on gun

[onyx sage]

you'll be hitting exactly 150% hsd on that m870 if you put hsd mod on the gun

without it you're lacking hsd

and you NEED 150%

[olive sail]

If u dont care about the talent on your backpack then get the ninja bagpack and get a grupo with skill dmg and skill haste reroll main core with skill tier or china light

[magic pilot]

i have to use providence since my watch is so low

[onyx sage]

yeah understandable

[magic pilot]

once watch is up, DH or memento for solo

[night yarrow]

the backpack I'm running is proxy

[magic pilot]

if i only want to use regulus DH is fine since reg is so much higher HSD

[night yarrow]

I care

[covert meadow]

Ok that put me at 151 hsd

[magic pilot]

Perfect

[night yarrow]

the cluster mine be clusterin

honestly didn't know it could go that high

[covert meadow]

Omy...just did a hostage run...

This might be even better than 1 tapping with hotshot

[night yarrow]

I don't think I could look myself in the face if I used china light

[vestal ibex]

Well if you wanna get out of normal you might wanna look into it.

[glossy scarab]

not familiar with explosive builds i guess

[night yarrow]

surely there is an alternate of china light right?

[vestal ibex]

For explosive builds? It's 15% explosive, why would you not use it if explosions are your goal?

[night yarrow]

bcs china 😔

[fickle light]

you wanna rephrase that one chief?

or is that your final answer

[night yarrow]

I don't wanna get hunted so I can't talk shit about china

[fickle light]

so thats your final answer? giving you the chance to explain

[glossy scarab]

dont post any pics of winnie the pooh

[night yarrow]

I am purely deciding to not use china light because I firmly dislike china

final answer

[flint wave]

[onyx sage]

rest in pieces

[fickle light]

you realize
-china light is a fictional brand
-it is best in slot for the build you are trying to make
-and please reread rule 1

[magic roost]

So what kind of cold would you run catharsis with?

I feel like it would kinda make sense on HB

[night yarrow]

I said I didn't want to specify not my fault you kept push mr mod

[fickle light]

If you cannot get over yourself to make a build better, you shouldn't be in build advice in the first place.

[magic pilot]

Not what you said but ok

[flint wave]

any alternative to coyotes mask in group play I hate animals

[magic pilot]

Yea shoot all the dogs you see (in game)

[night yarrow]

can we get a playback rq?

[magic pilot]

^

[flint wave]

lol

[magic roost]

Ayy fam

[onyx sage]

i don't want to use a shield because it reminds me of medieval combat

[night yarrow]

yeah, mods gonna put a hit out on my head if I start talking shit about nationalities

[magic pilot]

That is not saying you don't want to specify id say that's pretty specific

[flint wave]

It has the name crusader in it and I hate the dark ages

unplayable

[magic pilot]

I don't like using focus because I have adhd

[magic roost]

Well build advice is a wash today

[glossy scarab]

thats brilliant

[magic pilot]

Only in pvp

Outside of PvP it's terrible

Even in PvP I've been trying to not use it so much

[magic roost]

So like an HB build in conflict. I guess it could work with strikers too. Idk I’m scared of conflict. I hopped in one last night and may have well been desecrated. Got two kills though

[magic pilot]

More of a high end build kind of thing

[gentle lichen]

I don't like using intimidate because it scares me

[magic pilot]

It can be quite.... intimidating

[flint wave]

rip

[tulip charm]

Groupo

[flint wave]

yea but I wanna buff my team

[tulip charm]

In what way

[flint wave]

without switching off dps

[tulip charm]

uh

Scropio

[flint wave]

Scorpion is an animal

[hazy steeple]

yeah but scorpio is a star sign

whats cooler than using the stars to kill your enemies?

[onyx sage]

i hate using the merciless because it sounds too violent. it also helps that it's a bad gun

[glossy scarab]

the horse has been dead for a while already

[onyx sage]

like 2 mins ago?

[hazy steeple]

A gun sounds too violent?

[flint wave]

yes it's loud

[glossy scarab]

to me it felt like a half hour. thats on me

[hazy steeple]

Then turn down your sfx volume.

I've never heard "violent means loud" before.

[glossy scarab]

ive heard loud sounds described as violent though

[hazy steeple]

Oh sure it can be a violent noise, but not violent as itself.

[glossy scarab]

right

[flint wave]

left

[tulip charm]

up

[glossy scarab]

two steps this time

[magic pilot]

Do the Charlie Brown

[potent fractal]

Idk guys many says that the health Is irrelevant in this game but i have to Say that the 70% health bonus of my aegis Gear Is really good.

[fickle light]

that is less than one bullet, health =/= armor

and since you have oneshot protection anyways, something like 70% health doesnt matter

[flint wave]

It costs more damage to get health over armor also health doesn't boost your shield strength like blue cores do

[vestal ibex]

Looking at all these AR PVP builds and thinking about that health damage chewing up ya booty.

[magic pilot]

Yup lmao

AR is still most common weapon

[magic pilot]

Did you see what I pulled last night

[vestal ibex]

Your back cause you getting old?

[magic pilot]

Also I'd like to point out that you are only a few years short on my dads age

[flint wave]

all those ps4 hours built up for this moment

[magic pilot]

Seriously 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Should have given it to nerfking.

[wise swallow]

Clutch will not let you face tank. Your repair 2.5% per Crit which is a 60% chance

I’d go as far to say any semi okay dps build will easily out burst that

Your better off having ad rush

Instant 20% armour that works throughout a fight not when your 2 bullets from being dead

[gentle lichen]

It MAY heavy emphasis on "may" but you'll surely need ouro

I saw it being used on health builds tho which are already built on a fragile foundation

[wise swallow]

Clutch just isn’t worth it over adrush

Adrush is a million times better

[gentle lichen]

Yeah nothing beats a refreshable 30%-36% bonus armor every 5 secs

[wise swallow]

Even if your assume clutch in optimal circumstance and adrush at a basic level. Adrush still wins

If it let you stack clutch at any point it would be alot better

[rocky rain]

anyone ever tried 2x hunters (incl chest), 3x neg dilemma with ninja bp?

with an smg obviously

[urban latch]

I wouldn't recommend it

[rocky rain]

why not?

[fickle light]

ninja is a massive damage loss, and you are losing a ton of stats by using 5 gearset peices (they only have one minor attrib)

[rocky rain]

agree, so how to define the tipping point between brand and gear sets.. it all depends on the talents then?

[fickle light]

less a tipping point, more "ninja is terrible for damage, and never use more than 4pc of a gearset"

the ninja sentiment changes for tanks, but tanks arent useful in most content

[rocky rain]

ok, i now run mostly 4x neg dilemma (incl chest) with 1x palisade for AoK and memento but changed core attr to have 3x blue. works quite fine

i do need some source for armor repair..

and the hive is too slow when it;s hitting hard

[solar sable]

just my opinion but, recalibrating one core att of Memento is a sin.

[flint wave]

Run gunner spec

[flint wave]

I agree because it's not possible

[glossy scarab]

3 blue memento is OP

[flint wave]

I would do that if I had the chance

ong

[hexed steppe]

nego bag is way better than the chest. memento is a good middle ground on it, i would use an obliterate chest rather than nego chest. chem launcher heals should be a good burst if hive healing isnt good. youll be able to utilize 30% repair skills from memento skill efficiency. if you werent using the aok from gunner i would suggest tech class as another double buff to a healing skill (free yellow core/10 repair skills option).

[sterile scarab]

Whats the 2019 yellow raid build?

[hexed steppe]

probably something like this. just high end red build from the pinned spreadsheet

[urban latch]

You looking for something from gear 1.0?

Like clutch berserk builds?

[rocky rain]

What do you mean with tech class double buff?

[hexed steppe]

technician you get a yellow core as part of its bonus. you also have an option to pick 10% skill damage or 10% skill repair

[tulip charm]

Well wony came out 2020 so yeah he's looking for old raid builds

[urban latch]

Something like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/s/l7l13hsyAY

[sterile scarab]

Thanks @urban latch

[urban latch]

I don't think that's really a min/maxed version, but it's basically correct. I don't have many good links other than looking up old DH speedruns on YT

[sterile scarab]

Please one last question. What's the best AR post project resolve?

[patent fossil]

depends how you measure, there are arguments for both F2000 and Eagle Bearer in pure DPS sense, but to me the handling lets them down (would depend on engagement distance and your recoil control to a large extent I guess)

[warm knot]

Some cool guy gave me the big horn after we cleared Roosevelt, what should I put on it dttooc or hs damage?

[tulip charm]

dttoc

[sterile scarab]

F2000 strained or EB pure dps?

[warm knot]

Also, idk what sort of build I should use it on... I was thinking about some Hansbrough, providence and FG...

[dull ermine]

F2000 … EB lacks damage talent

Could probably go with Eb if you plan to keep the talent procced

[vestal ibex]

Did you see the news? Tenacity gives some unknown amp that's like 15-20% depending on HS or crit well we don't know but it was confirmed earlier today.

[dull ermine]

Where at ?

[vestal ibex]

Here in this channel

[dull ermine]

Any chance you could link it?

[gentle lichen]

Greatness was made at 144p

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

[gentle lichen]

#td2-build-advice message

[vestal ibex]

Should note that PVP vs PVE numbers might be different too.

[vestal ibex]

Bro the p doesn't stand for potato, truly the best way to describe your clips.

[dull ermine]

That’s interesting but I don’t think it’s intentional

It would be cool tho

But EB seriously lacks the handling to proc that talent like Dod was saying 😂

Its best when used as an SMG id say

[vestal ibex]

Not sure really but it's here and who knows for how long. As it's not game breaking I'd say go for it.

[dull ermine]

I honestly try not to rely on things ik aren’t intentional or are likely to get patched but I’ll definitely try it out

Need it for special ammo directive half the time 😂

[gentle lichen]

It's honestly kind of good

Damage mitigation AND damage increase

[flint wave]

Just don't go for headshots at 20m

a huge mistake among eb users

[rich lotus]

Shoot them before they exist type of build

[flint wave]

4v2 seems fair

[rich lotus]

Last 2 left on last few seconds

[flint wave]

that build dies immediately the second they shoot back

[rich lotus]

Not if I proc tenacity

But yeah if they run any skill build my life becomes hell

Hives on this case is a death sentence

This build is actually so effective

Proc tenacity and you can literally push in through the whole team and melt everyone

[glossy scarab]

is there any good reason to use 2pc palisades on like a HF or strikers build, for the health bonus? is that rly worth having over some crit or something? ive been seeing a youtuber i actually like doing this a lot and i dont get it

[acoustic coral]

Couldn't agree more, worth reading through build advice just for that

[solar sable]

hello rudolph!

[acoustic coral]

[rich lotus]

@glossy scarab I run 2 piece belstone on my striker build, i find the 1% regen will keep me alive where i usually would have died (those scenarios where you end up with 10 health or something and then it ticks preventing the death) might be the same thought process with having the extra health?

[glossy scarab]

yeah i dont find myself down to health often enough to want to waste a brand bonus on that

[sudden fog]

23 paradise lost no oreo yet

[glossy scarab]

my god

[sudden fog]

i just want it for my hf build man

[glossy scarab]

that aint right. i got them on my 2nd and fifth run

[dull ermine]

It’s an AR 😭

[rich lotus]

Once you been using it for a while it's not that terrible

[shy willow]

If you need another clear I still got my key

[solar sable]

I'm also up to do one

but later. imma go eat dinner rn

[sudden fog]

u on now

[shy willow]

Gimme 5 mins

[sudden fog]

alr

[shy willow]

Hopping on

[sudden fog]

alr

lmk when u want inv

[shy willow]

Can inv now

[sudden fog]

takes so long

[wise swallow]

Purely skill issue

Eb handling is perfectly fine its not even remotely bad enough that the talent is hard to proc

[sudden fog]

if only people did that instead of hate

[shy willow]

No dice unfortunately

[sudden fog]

unlucky

[shy willow]

Mantis

Id run again but I gotta get to service for good friday

[sudden fog]

alr have a good day naval

need to go sleep 😂

[shy willow]

You too mate you've gotten so much better since last time we ran lol

[dull ermine]

We talking about the same gun

[shy willow]

With striker it's perfectly controllable

[dull ermine]

Yea cause weapon handling

[shy willow]

Just not as braindead as elmo

[wise swallow]

without striker is perfectly controllable from 20 metres

[dull ermine]

But in its naked very nude state

The thing is the bighorn 😂

[magic pilot]

He console don't forget

[magic pilot]

Pc bighorn is nothing

I would honestly say that the f2k I have a harder time with

[onyx sage]

f2k is so inaccurate

[dull ermine]

Good to know I wasn’t going crazy

[onyx sage]

it just doesn't feel like the laser the famas is

[dull ermine]

Ctar >>>> f2000

[shy willow]

[dull ermine]

Why you hating 🥲

[magic pilot]

Nah that's crazy

The accuracy is better on the bighorn imo

The recoil is about the same

[dull ermine]

The recoil shaves off when you get the accuracy buff up

But as a general use stop and shoot AR it struggles to land headshots, well me specifically

But I remember when I expertised it in countdown that accuracy was amazing

Just to be clear I’m a user of the p416 and I can say for certain p416 has a different shooting pattern / spread

[spice moon]

Someone on Reddit mentioned that they are using ridgeways pride for a chest instead of your typical obliterate for striker build in DZ. Is that good?

[dull ermine]

It’s good to proc sadist and wicked

Otherwise bleh

[stiff jasper]

BTW wicked not really good in nowadays meta

[livid mesa]

Ubisoft on their way to mass nerf and obliterate a meta

[flint tiger]

hi doing an lmg crit build, what should i change out? mostly just doing pve

[stiff jasper]

Ninja out, backpack out

[flint tiger]

any suggestions for what i should i change out for them?

i heard the ninjabike backpack was something i should look into

[gentle lichen]

You heard WRONG

[gentle lichen]

A bag with vigilance or if you want casual pve bloodsucker

Preferably ceska or grupo because your crits are low

[flint tiger]

ok ty, ill be looking into it

[solar sable]

ninja bag is a noobie trap

[gentle lichen]

With a very obvious telltale sign

[flint tiger]

why is it bad?

[gentle lichen]

Inability to use a bag talent especially when it comes to certain gearsets

Most notable is striker's

As well as not that many brands 2pc bonus are worth it

[flint tiger]

ah ok

ty for letting me know

[dull ermine]

@shy willow so what you’re saying is this right here… 👁️

I can do good things?

[shy willow]

Well realistically it's not that good

But it's endless explosions

[dull ermine]

I think I like

[shy willow]

Beware the screen shake

[dull ermine]

I have a red proxy as well

Is that good

It’s beautiful

[shy willow]

Proxy was tamper proof right

[dull ermine]

Si

[shy willow]

Probably not then

[dull ermine]

I like this

Snipers be gone

[dull ermine]

Is crit headshot damage sniper builds common?

[solar sable]

it's not recommended to run crits on sniper buids as they do nothing tbh

[dull ermine]

Interesting

[solar sable]

you saw someone running crit hsd hotshot?

[dull ermine]

Yes

[shy willow]

Dread edict is used on some sort of crit sniper build that's all I know

[tulip charm]

Dread Edict Focus

[solar sable]

Which one should I keep or just both?
Vector SBR with Max SMGD, 16% CHC and max dtoc
or
Tactical Vector Max SMGD, Max CHC and 8% dtoc

[slate wedge]

keep the tac vector

fun gun

[onyx sage]

in pvp tbh

[dull ermine]

Assuming the vector sbr is the 53 mag one it’s still good

Tac vector is highest burst damage (those) but 40 round mag - ouro beats it tho bc of ouros fire rate n base dmg

I expertised my tac vector

[solar sable]

i still can't get oreo to drop

[dull ermine]

You can get away with running strained on the vector sbr

[solar sable]

rngesus hates me

[dull ermine]

Use gate strat

[solar sable]

[rich lotus]

Deconstruct your most favorite exotic atm

Sacrifical blood required after this many trials

[solar sable]

Fine I'll sacrifice my god rolled Pestilence

[rich lotus]

Rng gods might not be satisfied with a god rolled Pestilence

Add an extra item with it

[acoustic coral]

Heroic Countdown, Extraction, T6 Stinger hive - Lootcifer appreciates your sacrifice

[rich lotus]

I can hear the screams of hell (the team mates)

I should do that and record just for the funs

[night yarrow]

what sorta build would these fit?

[acoustic coral]

They wouldn't, deconstruct

[night yarrow]

ya sure?

[sterile scarab]

Whats the best way to maximize crits when running F2000 and ouroboros? Smg chc is high ar chc is low?

On a striker coyote build*

[patent fossil]

Crit mods on the AR, remember you'll get the extra 10% chc from coyote mid range for the AR but not ouro

[acoustic coral]

Very much so

[night yarrow]

alr

[sterile scarab]

@patent fossil is ceska chest best in slot if i want to run smg and Ar?

[patent fossil]

Yeah I'd say so, you generally want chd everywhere possible in the minor stats and mods so you need ceska

[night yarrow]

so do this have a cooldown?

[sterile scarab]

@patent fossil Thanks i haven't played in 3 months

[patent fossil]

Nope, at least not I've ever noticed

[night yarrow]

alr time to play with a knock off bullet king then lmao

(249 para)

[patent fossil]

Try it with iron lung

[night yarrow]

I know this is stupid but I aint really a fan of exotic weapons

pasti is alr tho

*pesti

[tawdry flare]

Wish it was +50% armour and +15% TWD

[magic pilot]

Run ceska/coyotes

[sterile scarab]

@magic pilot i dismantled my 25 ouro just running dual f2000

Thanks

[night yarrow]

the only piece here I am really uncertain about is the mask, I am thinking sokolov or whatever its called what would yall reccomend?

my armor is more than fine

[raven blade]

Not fully made as still got some stuff, but it’s unreal with what it can do at times

[night yarrow]

I cannot tell what I am looking at here so I'm prob not the only one, I reccomend a better screenshot first

[raven blade]

Yeah will do (joys of Xbox)

[glossy scarab]

the hotshot backpack isnt helping you at all if youre using determined

[raven blade]

It worth moving Airaldi to BP and hotshot to gloves

[glossy scarab]

yeah you would do well with an airaldi bag with vigilance and headshot dmg

[glossy scarab]

sokolov makes sense but you might do better with ceska but i dont know what your chc is

[glossy scarab]

are you able to recalibrate some of those HF pieces to crit?

[night yarrow]

remind me how to check again please?

[glossy scarab]

do you know how to get to the tinkering menu?

[night yarrow]

yes

[glossy scarab]

ok go to gloves or holster and find the one you have on (it'll be highlighted somewhere on the list of gloves, inside a white box or something)

[glossy scarab]

yeah that should be it

in order to get to a good crit chance level youre gonna need at least two (i would say three though) of those HF pieces to be chc, and you need a ceska (also with chc on it)

or if you dont have chc mods on your weapon you can get some by changing those

[magic pilot]

Get a providence bp with vigilance for group solo use bloodsucker

[magic pilot]

Why😭

[glossy scarab]

You have brought great shame upon your family

[raven blade]

Anyone got any good chameleon builds?

[vapid bobcat]

hi guys what can i add for the 4pc hotshot build?

[raven blade]

This is what I’m running, model 700 sniper

Chain killer on CP

[vapid bobcat]

nice okies and bp is airaldi?

checking to see if ill make a hotshot build coz i got punch drunk in countdown last night

[hazy steeple]

Punch Drunk is super not worth it.

a little extra HSD compared to Vigilance and Headhunter Talents is no contest.

[vapid bobcat]

okie yep then ill scratch it lol. ill copy connors

thanks brothers!

[raven blade]

No problem dude, you wanna focus headshot damage

[hazy steeple]

Sister, but yw!
just remember to use Vigi on the BP and a named Chainkiller chest.
and indeed, HSD as much as you can, the 2nd attribute is best set to Weapon Handling (WH)

[vapid bobcat]

ah damn i got no hsd mods lol

[raven blade]

The vender opposite seasons has HSD at 7.7% mods for me

[vapid bobcat]

oh sis ty! i think i have chainkiller in my stash and a bp with vigi

[hazy steeple]

the brandset for the bp matters less than the Talent being vigi, but Airaldi or Provi will serve you best in descending order.

even if it doesn't actually give you +10% mmr.

[vapid bobcat]

noted ty!

[acoustic coral]

When you know what build he's going for, the resolution almost doesn't matter. You can very quickly look at it and know he needs to swap backpack for something with vigilance as the talent - and then assume his red cores are HSD

[hexed steppe]

Save that punchdrunk for a pistol headhunter build .

[vapid bobcat]

yep bro put in the stash for now ty

[narrow bough]

Someone asked about my rifle build, here it goes

[dull ermine]

Which variant of HH do most people use? High end with dodge city or HHF?

Shotguns and regulus?

[urban latch]

I use both depending on the situation

Basically comes down to do I want DCH from the high end, or would I be better off with the armor on kill.

[dull ermine]

So it’s not really for the disorient from the HF?

[urban latch]

That too for sure

HF is really good, but so is DCH.

[dull ermine]

I’m trying to figure out how to make space for both on my character … could I go with the gift or is D&H preferred?

That way I could use the gift for hotshot as well

But I’ll go with whatever gives more damage

[tulip charm]

iirc hf gives more damage at full stacks but again it situational and playstyle

[dull ermine]

What about between Alraldi, D&H and the gift?

[urban latch]

I'm very constrained by the limited number of loadouts as well, but for what's it's worth I still keep both versions saved on my main

[dull ermine]

I just realized the high end uses punch drunk

[tulip charm]

yeah

d&h for reg alr for snipers

[dull ermine]

I’ll go with the backpacks, for now I keep all the marksman rifles I ever plan to use in the stash

What exotics do you guys generally keep on each character?

Cause with the incursion I’ve kind of been forced to make a strikers build for each character and man that’s a lot of inventory space gone

Rn I have bluescreen, Scorpio, busy bee, mosquito, dodge city, coyotes, diamondback, bullet king (don’t make fun of me 😭) st Elmo’s, lady death, sweet dreams, pestilence

Chameleon for countdown memes

And… debating how useful doctor home is

[tulip charm]

not useful

unless you want to make a tank with it but then again a healer is better 99% of the time.

[dull ermine]

If I can get my hands on a 3rd ravenous I plan to keep one on each character

But I have 3 ouroboros as well

[tulip charm]

damn you gear all 3 of your char?

[dull ermine]

Unfortunately

I’m a hoarder 😭

[tulip charm]

I have a pve char, farmer, and a pvp im gearing up atm

[dull ermine]

I generally use LMGs and rifles for fun so that’s why I have bluescreen and pestilence

Bullet king idk

[dull ermine]

I did this as well but the problem was none of my builds could do enough dps to lovebirds in the incursion if I was running with randoms

[tulip charm]

xd

I just use the same striker that I use on my main for the rest if I want to

[dull ermine]

Heartbreaker, hunters fury and negotiators worked fine with my friends but that’s bc they have their strikers builds built correctly

[tulip charm]

Oreo and Elmo run the same striker pieces since they dont need chc on them

[dull ermine]

I’ve now had to put 3 strikers builds , I hate having to do that

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

atm Im just lazy to run multiple char for incursion and raids

[dull ermine]

I do it for the exotic component and I like the incursion it’s kind of fun

But the lovebirds fight is just so finicky with randoms

Basically my healer build and original strikers are on my 3rd character, same with my tank build

Negotiators, hunters fury and skill builds on first

Umbra, ongoing dir, heartbreaker, lmg builds on 2nd and was planning on HH builds

[tulip charm]

Yeah thats why you dont have space at all

💀

[dull ermine]

I don’t want 3 strikers builds 😭

[tulip charm]

Just keep one

[dull ermine]

I usually do the incursion on all 3 characters that’s why 😂

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull ermine]

It is indeed my fault I accept that

[raven blade]

Anyone got any good chameleon builds?

[acoustic coral]

@magic pilot you're up

[hazy steeple]

It has the stats of an AR but with the range of an SMG, so you're going to need a close build.
so something like a crit hunters fury would work, there's a link to a geat one that's 📌 pinned in this channel > spreadsheet > builds.

[raven blade]

atm im running 4p striker, fenris cp (tryna get obliterate on it) and am farming for memento BP

[hazy steeple]

striker works well too, although I would recommend swapping that Fenris brand out for Ceska.
fenris doesn't actually give you 10% ar damage, it scales weirdly and only counts for a couple of % on average.

that Ceska chest w/Obliterate will work with a bunch of other builds too, so it's worth having around.

[raven blade]

Alr will do

[brave cloud]

Hey, I'm new to the server. I'm planning on doing paradise lost, and I'm curious as to whether or not there's a specific build(s) I/my tmm8s should run for it. Like 1 healer, 3 dps? And if so, what healer build and what dps builds? Ty!

[urban latch]

Check out the Google doc that pinned here, there's a bunch of build guides including the striker (dps) and future (healer) builds you'll want for the incursion

[leaden mist]

I know it is suboptimal, but what third attribute would be good for bullet king in a negotiator's build?

[urban latch]

Crit chance

[brave cloud]

tysm!

[urban latch]

Let's us know if you've got any questions on anything in there

[brave cloud]

will do

[dull ermine]

Do you run claws out by any chance?

I have one with weapon handling

[urban latch]

I think really the only use for it is pvp builds

And even then it's niche

[dull ermine]

Ah, I’ll hold onto it, what’s interesting is I spent so much time trying to get a lot of the dz items and now I find they’re not really used

Gift in particular is a funny one

[urban latch]

I still use the gift quite a bit

[dull ermine]

What builds you run it on?

[urban latch]

High end DPS builds, including regulus builds

[dull ermine]

For me I’ve ditched the 3 pc providence a while back in favor of ceska, grupo and random third brand

[urban latch]

Variations of the 3p prov build are still my main builds for most of the raids

[dull ermine]

Are you using dodge city with it?

[urban latch]

Almost always

DCH+regulus is way too underrated by way too many people

[dull ermine]

I can see the benefit … is it specced crit damage and headshot damage? With some weird someone give me coyote far buff requirement?

[urban latch]

Depends, but mostly crit

[dull ermine]

Okay that’s what I figured

Do you keep a ravenous on each character or just the one?

[urban latch]

I don't set those builds up to assume I have the mid buff

I basically have 1 character for raids and just as a general main, one pvp, one incursion, and 1 HC

[dull ermine]

I’ve followed that pattern since I saw you say once but I always feel guilty having 140- chd

[urban latch]

You should have a bit more than 140

[dull ermine]

Well that’s on one of my builds I rolled 2 weapon handling attributes

But it has 60% base chc

My other one can hit like 150?

[urban latch]

No need for handling

[dull ermine]

Oh it’s for the 1886 and infantry mg5

[strong bronze]

Ok am I missing something I keep feeling like I'm getting beamed at heroic and above

[dull ermine]

Need damage to mitigate dying

[hexed steppe]

higher difficulties you require a bit of cover usage. cant face tank

[dull ermine]

1-2 armor cores max and talents to help you survive

[urban latch]

You have a screenshot of your build?

[strong bronze]

I'm running umbra coyotes with 2 armor cores

[dull ermine]

LMG suppression mechanic begs to differ

[hexed steppe]

umbra mechanics support 😆

[dull ermine]

Use a shield with vigilance ceska backpack

Banshee pulse helps to stun enemies to make use of full stacks

I recommend strained cause you can 1 mag named enemies with your AR

[strong bronze]

I've got st elmo with cd rolled on it

[dull ermine]

What’s ur chc /chd

[strong bronze]

60/140 no stacks

[dull ermine]

Drop to 55 or so so you can get some more chd

[strong bronze]

I'll just switch my cc mod for cd

[dull ermine]

I run an MP7 as a backup weapon for umbra

[strong bronze]

Wat talent

[dull ermine]

Fast hands

[strong bronze]

K

[urban latch]

No, you really want to stay at 60 with umbra

You get way too much CHD to go below 60 at all times

[dull ermine]

Right crit damage , but I figure he could get that from coyotes mid

[urban latch]

I don't like assuming mid buff in general, but imo umbra and nego are the two builds you REALLLY don't want to assume mid buff and just get to 60

[strong bronze]

Would a vector with fast hands be a good sub

[hexed steppe]

whats current shd? i feel like it should be better since umbra comes with chc. with elmo, 15% umbra, max * watch, 2 secondary chc rolls you should be hitting 57 chc... are you over stacked on chc?

[dull ermine]

It works but because of the fire rate buff it kind of hurts

Mostly cause it’s harder to aim or am I just crazy

[strong bronze]

Shd 241

[urban latch]

With the rof buff from umbra a vector will use up it's tiny mag super fast, so any inaccuracy is going to mean a reload before you kill what your shooting at, I really wouldn't go vector in general, but especially on that build. If you want a high end SMGs, go mpx or banshee with strained

[dull ermine]

I think it’s only good for warhounds, chungas and bosses

[strong bronze]

Wat about cold relations

[dull ermine]

Because they’re usually fat and hard to miss

[hexed steppe]

no, itll max out buff on last bullet

[dull ermine]

If you have a classic M1A that’s really good to give umbra some range

You can 3 shot elites 🍺

[urban latch]

I think cold relations is actually pretty solid and a bit underrated

[dull ermine]

Going off this I was messing around with negotiators earlier . Should I go with 57% chc and 138% chd

Or 52% chc and 147% chd?

[urban latch]

57

Although that CHD seems real low

[dull ermine]

It’s bc the gun is the bluescreen

Without coyotes

[urban latch]

Ok well....

[dull ermine]

I traded coyotes for contractors

Something about DTA transferring through negotiators?

Roll on bluescreen is DTA

What you think? Is it viable or

[wise swallow]

hello nerds i am back with build question
6 blue. big horn.
200% HSD.
Contractors (with haz pro so no HSD)
or
fenris with HSD.

basically 10% more HSD and 10% AWD or 8% DTA. No other DTA is on the build or AWD.

assume your only shooting armour

[dull ermine]

Is this strikers

[urban latch]

What are you assuming your hs% will be

[wise swallow]

itll be 200% before gloves are added

[wise swallow]

no

talent provide no dmg on this build (its Perrfect eff and adrush)

[urban latch]

But I mean percentage of headshots hit. Either way, it'll likely be the dta

[blissful rampart]

also easier to judge with more info, send SC of build or link for build in question.

[urban latch]

But keep in mind your existing other amounts of WD, dta, hsd all factor in here

[wise swallow]

its all HSD, dont really care about bodyshot

[wise swallow]

1 min

[dull ermine]

Just curious

Are you going to use it as an smg?

[wise swallow]

? im using it from all ranges

[dull ermine]

Oh only bc the bighorns handling is really poor

[urban latch]

Get your crits and non crit damage numbers from each build and plug them into the pinned DPS calc to check for yourself

[wise swallow]

i dont suck ass so its fine

well i do suck ass but not in that way

[wise swallow]

ignore wicked im changing it soon

or would it be more worth getting rid of hasburg for fenris

[urban latch]

You have the contractors right? Just get those 4 inputs of each crit and non crit shot

[dull ermine]

Are those blues hazard protection

[wise swallow]

mhm

[wise swallow]

yea ig

just dont really have a means of testing in DZ but ill figure it out

[urban latch]

Pvp vs pve numbers are just a straight multiplier, so the ratios/higher DPS will remain the same

[wise swallow]

hmm ok

[sullen sun]

Any bighorn experts in here?

Should I roll DTTOC on it or HS dmg?

[wise swallow]

DTOOC

[fallen comet]

Always dtooc on everything

[tawdry flare]

Dttoc as 5.11 brandset bonus

[sullen sun]

What is the best survivalist build for PvP?

[sullen sun]

EB the same way?

[stiff jasper]

you mean use survivalist specialization?

[stiff jasper]

There have no "best" build
Also, almost only support build run with survivalist

[dull ermine]

Yes because most often enemies are out of cover and it works on all enemies

Except those in cover so if you see someone running bullet king suppressing everything … especially the drone controller… shoot barrels near them

[steel rampart]

DTOC, DTA, and DTH are all separate multipliers. HSD will just add to your crit damage.

Like @dull ermine said majority of the time enemies are out of cover and or soon will be once you start shooting and will apply to all types of enemies. Assault rifles come with native DTH. DTA is more restrictive as not all enemies have armor. Some have armor plating

Some additional info you or others may or may not know.

Dogs only have health
Heavies only have health
Heavies have visible armour plates but are affected by health damage not armour damage

If there isn't a white armour bar, armour damage doesn't affect them - damage to health does.

Negotiator's Dilemma damage goes straight to health on dogs.

However, for heavies the damage gets applied to their "Armor" plates evenly, in exactly the same way that status and explosive damage does.

NG damage doesn't bypass their armor plates. But it might appear so if the Chunga has one plate already busted, because whatever damage would have been applied to that plate instead gets applied to their health.

[steel rampart]

Another time DTOC won’t be the best choice is if you are running a skill build or when most of your damage isn’t coming from you shooting. The attributes from the gun you are currently holding whenever you swap to skills directly effects the skills damage and with some guns the skills fire rate. (Hold a gun with measured and see how fast then slow you launch chems or reload chatterbox around enemies)

Ex: DTA would be best choice for the Harmony on an explosive build. Explosive damage scales with DTA. Bleed from motor will also scale with DTA.

You can also just use guns with native DTA such as shotguns or Capacitor with DTOC as the 3rd attribute to help with any enemies you have to shoot.

[frail marlin]

I have never done the incursion but I’ve done the raids. What are the builds asked for in the incursion please ?

[fickle light]

team comp is generally 3 strikers DPS players and a FI healer. The strikers build and the FI build are both in the pinned spreadsheet- the strikers build for incursions uses the chest, though, as those bosses have a lot of health

[frail marlin]

Great thx I got both 🙏

[bitter orchid]

is EB better than elmo now after tu 20?

[shy willow]

It's worth noting sledge applies to both plating and armour

[peak sphinx]

To me it is,yea its harder to controll cus more recoil but now the 3th attribute can be dttooc and the +50 rpm makes it to me better then the elmo. Unless you have horrendous aim then stick with the elmo lol. But both are good

[marsh sphinx]

Whats the best dps build tu20 project resolve?

[shy willow]

It will always be striker

[versed summit]

I mean hopefully not, but yeah...

[shy willow]

Best is subjective but almost always striker will beat everything

[marsh sphinx]

4 striker + what guns + talents?

[shy willow]

Check the pinned spreadsheet

Guns are preference

[marsh sphinx]

Whats the best AR after project resolve revamp?

[shy willow]

^

They're all very very close

Elmo, FAMAS, F2k, EB, shield splint, all nice options

But they're all perfectly fine

Something like all within 10 percent DPS of each other

[marsh sphinx]

So there's no meta anymore? just striker and any AR?

@shy willow thanks

[shy willow]

You can use any

If you want raw DPS FAMAS is still top dog along with the F2K being a new contender

[marsh sphinx]

Thanks

[dull ermine]

Lies, it’s gate strat

[shy willow]

😨

[tawdry flare]

Gate strat best strat

[shy willow]

I will not rest until gate strat is dead and buried

[tawdry flare]

Only one way force them to leave gate ask dev

[shy willow]

May thy gate chip and shatter

[tawdry flare]

Btw which tuber invented the gate strat

[shy willow]

I don't know where it came from all I know is I want it obliterated

Whoever popularized it is responsible for much pain

[dull ermine]

You assume I won’t camp under the gazebo

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I have seen people complaining about it and believe me it's the worst thing

[shy willow]

[dull ermine]

Is it bullet king

[shy willow]

They just did arch strat but mucked about in the courtyard for a bit first

[tawdry flare]

Bullet King got buffed and it is a viable choice ngl

[dull ermine]

Gotta love the guy who shoots at the lovebirds as soon as you run in

mortar mortar mortar

[shy willow]

😨

I refuse to acknowledge BKs ascendancy to B tier

[narrow bough]

Playing some off meta high end AR build with SMG. Any tips how to make it more wider or interesting?

[tawdry flare]

I meant C tier from D tier

[tawdry flare]

Use a banshee SMG or ouroboros

[narrow bough]

I dont own ourobors. I like the MPX and i thought why not use the apartment since it was chilling in my stash for so long.

[tawdry flare]

Remove ceska mask cause you may be over crit cap on smg

[tawdry flare]

Ahh the thing is every other high end smg except mpx got buffed

For ar go famas F2000

P416 is okay

[versed summit]

looks like they'd be over cap on AR too

[tawdry flare]

10+10+10+6*5= 60% CHC

And that's without +15% CHC from ar mods

You need to remove 1 ceska

[narrow bough]

I am using famas for striker, so i wanna use something "weaker" now. 416 was again in my stash for too long. I was also thinking about looking for carbine.

What it means "over cap" ? Now i put away the ceska mask and i am at 49% with critical hit chance.

[tawdry flare]

Use p416 carbine same story as mpx p416 is fine

[tawdry flare]

Ahh usually +15% CHC is from ar mods +10% from watch 5 6% from rolls on gear 10% ceska 10% 2pcs prov you are at 75% chc

60% is cap assuming the rolls are CHC/CHD on gear

[narrow bough]

So wait if i understand it correctly, my stats are now showing 49% but i am still at 60% because of my watch?

[tawdry flare]

60% is hard cap also what rolls are on your gear are they all chc also what mods are on your ar ?

[narrow bough]

My gear is only critical hit damage and chance/weapon damage, plus fox kneepads so damage to target out of cover. Same goes for my 416. Damage to target out of cover, health damage. The attachments are for better accuracy.

My gear mods are only critical hit damage.

I am now running walker harris mask instead of ceska.

[shy willow]

oh

[shy willow]

if ceska will overcap you just run grupo instead

[narrow bough]

I have three grupo already.

I mean one grupo

for the critical hit damage.

[shy willow]

oh the build is fine you just might be overcapped

youre already capping CHC with the 416 out so you're way overcapped on your mpx

[narrow bough]

I am still dumb for this lmao. Like... my stats are now showing 49% hit chance. My 416 does not have any hit chance attachments or points, so how i am overcapping it? Sorry guys i am just trying to find a better flexibility here.

[shy willow]

you should always have crit chance attachments on your weapons

[lavish grail]

what do you guys think of the scanner pulse skill
in game terms it seems underwhelming but in a real-life military situation it sounds like a godsend

[hazy steeple]

Well since this is a video game and not real life, it's quite useful when you have Fog of War on.

[shy willow]

I only use it for the damage amp on OC tbh

I hear it's particularly good in pvp though

[narrow bough]

I am running attachments for better accuracy and other stuff like that.

[shy willow]

crit chance attachments are very valuable

they're worth almost an attribute each

[lavish grail]

also, do NPCs other than theo use decoy? it doesn't seem like it'd work well against players

[gentle lichen]

Rogue agents use it

[lavish grail]

...does it work?

[gentle lichen]

If the player isn't paying attention

And i think you can stack on it so it has its uses

[hexed steppe]

Can move prov to mask and run contractors gloves. Probably over chc cap anyways like mentioned by others.

[onyx sage]

it actually benefits us more than them

[mint axle]

Yeah, if it was like the holograms decoy you see in some other sci-fi games like halo or Titanfall 2, it would definitely "trick" the player. I mean, a mobile copy of yourself, not only a static projection of a generic SHD agent.

[dull ermine]

How’s the Black Friday ?

I’m trying to get used to it but idk if it’s worth using

[hazy steeple]

Well it's an m249 with a middling to low end Talent, so I'd kinda put it as a low-mid end LMG overall, with a lot of others well ahead of it.
honestly, as with most weapons, a non-named version will serve you better with a decent Talent.

[dull ermine]

Yea cause I did severely bad damage with it

I really wish the game did LMGs more justice … + remove suppression mechanic and add stagger … like if you got hit by one of the LMB light machine gunners and got stunned 👁️

But is the m249 good by any means?

I have a godrolled one with chc

[hazy steeple]

Actually Resolve buffed a whole bunch of them and there's a lot that were mid tier before but now kinda compete-ish with the AR's.

[dull ermine]

The slow fire rate doesn’t help unfortunately bc to do that so called damage increase you can’t be getting shot … and with such a low fire rate unfortunately special ammo directive and enemy skills are just prone to dying

I was playing in a group and since GB is on most people are going for the gold highlight… leaving special ammo enemies to basically 1 shot you since it kicks you out of cover

[hazy steeple]

You need the right kinda build with them, but a lot of the time you can just storm through due to the giant magazines and such.
I usually throw on Fast Hands since I don't care for a long reload, but a damage Talent on something like the RPK/L86 can do well.

[flint wave]

we take shields for granted until we use LMGS

[dull ermine]

I don’t even mind the no shield 😭

It’s the lack of good backpack talents that aren’t situational

Composure, companion and wicked are excellent talents but so situational

[hazy steeple]

ND build could be fun with one.

[dull ermine]

I was running bluescreen negotiators and it’s pretty fun

[flint wave]

how is composure up there

[dull ermine]

As in?

It’s a good talent or situational?

[flint wave]

situational

don't u just have to use cover

[dull ermine]

Yes but being planted in cover is not always the most ideal thing

If you’re trying to avoid getting shot from multiple angles you might have to literally stand cover in an area you can’t take cover physically

Or because some enemies love to sit in cover you need to run up on them

[flint wave]

atleast it's not like overwatch

[dull ermine]

It’s very situational trust me 🥲

[hazy steeple]

that's why I like grenades tbh, no one stays in cover with that red circle.

[dull ermine]

I’m a run and gunner type player

[flint wave]

composure happens instantly

[dull ermine]

Yes but let’s take an even more important part into consideration … I usually play in groups, not all cover is the same and people tend to kick you out of cover

Take DUA for example (the first boss room) if you climb up and the room with the mounted gun van

Only problem with companion is it’s not good for solo assuming you’re not sacrificing a skill and 5m is asking you to hold hands

Which falls into the same problem as composure (if there’s limited cover)

This is for LMGs tho

[dull ermine]

Foam grenade would like to discuss this

Oh no… look at that thing thrown from 20 meters, let’s instantly roll so it doesn’t work

[glossy scarab]

or step leisurely to the side

[mint axle]

Ouroboros users: foam bullets? Give it to me!

[hazy steeple]

Shoot them in the legs and they stumble, it doesn't always work of course but it's a good general rule.
I've been using a lot of Mad Bomber recently.

[dull ermine]

I specifically mention foam grenade because one of the best grenades has the smallest ever radius and doesn’t proc sledgehammer loool

It’s also my fav grenade

Get covered in sludge you filthy outcast

[mint axle]

For some reason, the sledgehammer only works with grenades that deal damage, even the flashbang deals like 1,000 of damage and it works with sledgehammer lol

[dull ermine]

The foam does damage 😭

It leaves you covered in sludge

[patent fossil]

emotional damage doesn't count, sadly

[glossy scarab]

humiliation should be a status effect

[onyx sage]

comparing a AR with a SMG can be misleading because within close range, a SMG tends to beat out an AR

the selling point of an AR is its versatility

[night yarrow]

my build is nowhere near perfect but I'm certain on getting a honey badger and ridgeways to work, I was going to wright something after but upon second glance of what I said it was genuine gibberish so Ignore this second half of text

I wanna min/max this mid weapon with ridgeways and idk how

[onyx sage]

yeah it's not good to use hunter's fury against wright

[night yarrow]

who?

[onyx sage]

you wrote "wright" but looking back it's probably a typo

wright is a boss in the incursion

[night yarrow]

oh yeah

I was having a mild stroke

as I hope that expressed

[glossy scarab]

you named a character you didnt even know about thats awesome

[night yarrow]

I re-read my message after the comma and it legitimately said something along the lines of "abd oiheknfih" or some shit

[onyx sage]

anyways HF also is a set that wants you to stack kills, and at base and in close range SMGs already beat ARs, coupled with the fact that HF also buffs SMGs and not ARs means you'll favor SMGs just because you run HF

HF isn't the right build for honey badger is what i wanted to say

[night yarrow]

yeah I'm here to ask what to do

what sets would work best?

[onyx sage]

use striker

[night yarrow]

(other than striker)

[onyx sage]

and negotiator

and high end

all of those will work for ARs

[night yarrow]

remind me what negotiator does again?

[onyx sage]

crits mark up to 3 targets

if you crit on one, you deal the same crit damage to the other 2

[night yarrow]

do I have to hit all 3 for the mark?

or is it a proxy thing?

[onyx sage]

you just have to crit on them once every 20s (iirc) to mark them

[night yarrow]

high end like the quality of gear?

[onyx sage]

the build mostly only contains high end pieces, no gear sets

[patent fossil]

"up to 3 targets"

[glossy scarab]

it takes some getting used to

[night yarrow]

sounds great, in said case what brands should I use?

[onyx sage]

check the spreadsheet pinned on this channel, it has guides for all the builds i mentioned

i'm too lazy to spell out

[night yarrow]

alrighty, thanks for the help :]

[dull ermine]

Safety Distance would like a word

[onyx sage]

what's a damage talent? never heard of it

[dull ermine]

100% of your bullets should go to the head

Oh wait 125%

[onyx sage]

yeah but how are you getting your first kill with it

[dull ermine]

You smile and wave

Okay but in all seriousness the only problem with safety distance is the talent does not refresh

And generally if it did you usually encounter your first enemy at the doorway

So once you lose it… 🪦

I think it’s great in summit with hunters fury

[night yarrow]

what dose this perk do?

[dull ermine]

After a kill it basically doubles the range of your smg and gives you 125% accuracy for the perfect version

20 meter range becomes 40 meter range