td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Umbra/nego and high end f2k is stronger

Btw you wouldn't run ceska on headshot focused

Chc would be a sub secondary attribute

You'd want providence

[gusty ravine]

Looking for a Heroic build I wanna start moving up In the difficulties

[onyx sage]

you already have striker

[hazy steeple]

You know the spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel? All those are Heroic friendly.

[acoustic coral]

Come to think of it, that doesn't have the 10% included from Ceska in the second row (10% watch, 10% from EB, 6% from the sub secondary attribute) - but you're correct, forgot that one

[magic pilot]

All good lol

I only remember because I have a striker headshot build for PvP

I was running that when I got an EB to drop

[acoustic coral]

Changed to add 15% providence HSD

[magic pilot]

Solid dps

[gusty ravine]

Are all the red builds built for heroic

[magic pilot]

You can effectively use anything on heroic

[acoustic coral]

The important thing to note is full red build - which is not PvP friendly from what I've heard - and it assumed 100% headshot rate, which - I mean fair play.
I'd rather play the crit version and go for headshots (as you would more often get HSD+Crit active).

[vestal ibex]

If you have the skills and time you can use purple gear too.

[magic pilot]

Raucey being a G

Can we pin this or something lol

[hazy steeple]

Let's not.

[magic pilot]

Yea not recommended to run all red lol

[gentle lichen]

6 blue all the way

[vestal ibex]

Never gets old when he start poppin off snow balls.

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[vestal ibex]

I will always watch that vid up until that moment cause I find it so funny.

[gentle lichen]

Honestly after perfect efficient would work wonders on this

[magic pilot]

It definitely would

[gentle lichen]

That shit allows you to push so hard

[gusty ravine]

Why is ur striker ting blue and mines green

[magic pilot]

Pairs well with memento version/eb

[onyx sage]

colorblind setting

[vestal ibex]

Colorblind modes enable white circles on skills/ground effect/grenades and such.

[magic pilot]

Great for pvp

[vestal ibex]

Great for the game in general cause you can tip toe the line much easier.

[acoustic coral]

Even stripping away 4 reds for blues in this instance, I just don't see it recommendable - unless you have a pretty high headshot rate - to run HSD in that specific case (that Hezu brought up earlier - just wanted to math it out)

[flint wave]

Everyone is colorblind in this game

So glad we still have normal people

[vestal ibex]

We'll bring them over to the light or dark or tan side idk I can't tell anymore.

[flint wave]

blind people don't see black they see nothing

[magic pilot]

It shines in fights where decoy is dropped a lot or super close range fights

[gusty ravine]

Ngl I'm sat here on the spreadsheet with like 12 different evenotes open looking at builds 🤣

[vestal ibex]

uhhh being blind is a spectrum hello

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

Jokes aside a lot of "blind" people still have some level of vision.

[hazy steeple]

It's not a joke, there are varying levels of "bad" eyesight. It isn't perfect vision or no eyes.

[flint wave]

ik

[hazy steeple]

but regardless, this has nothing to do with build advice and isn't a good direction to go.
Move along.

[gentle lichen]

@magic pilot fixing to use this but catharsis and striker bag

[magic pilot]

There you go

[gusty ravine]

Is this good for general use or nah

[vestal ibex]

My beloved fire EP, a min maxed build can do solo heroic pretty easy.

[warm knot]

@hazy steeple

[gusty ravine]

Wdym

[acoustic coral]

that's how it goes ^^

[gusty ravine]

Deciding what to use

[acoustic coral]

The easiest to create in perfect form is striker's -> farm all the others

[vestal ibex]

What part do you not understand?

[onyx sage]

unbreakable isn't that strong on almost full red builds, recommend running ceska obliterate chest instead

[gusty ravine]

The min maxed part

[warm knot]

this is the highest it goes.... slightly higher than my hf base damage

[vestal ibex]

Whats your CHC/CHD?

[onyx sage]

your chest piece and lack of mods are making you lose a lot of crit

[stiff jasper]

Wtf of these white, chc?

[onyx sage]

yeah chc looks super low

[warm knot]

I maxed the shd crit damage already

[vestal ibex]

Not as bad as I expected but you are shooting at close buff there.

[onyx sage]

max crit chance first

but eventually you'll get there

[vestal ibex]

Well they have coyotes so set your CHC according to the buff you are in most of the time, I figure it'll be mid buff.

[onyx sage]

you want to get 50%+ chc since you have coyote, and put on crit mods on your gear

[vestal ibex]

Also what's your third attribute on the elmo?

[warm knot]

highest hf

[warm knot]

dttooc

[vestal ibex]

idk man your build isn't bad by any means.

Maybe you aren't used to the playstyle or have enough spawn knowledge.

[warm knot]

did you mean skill issue?

[onyx sage]

well you're using obliterate on HF and not on striker so it's not a fair comparison

use obliterate on striker

[warm knot]

AHHHHHHH now I see why hf caps at 646k without obliterate.

But Im losing unbreakable here... What should I do to get more survivability then?

[flint wave]

Blue cores

just 2 is a significant improvement

[solar sable]

what he said ^

[flint wave]

and then obviously use crusader shield or else those blues are mostly useless

[warm knot]

hmmm k, ill give it a try. I might have some spare striker pieces lying around

[acoustic coral]

If it's for heroic, shoot them before they shoot you

[solar sable]

"if you're hungry just eat" ahh advice

[snow mural]

Hello, I have a question and I would like to start playing the conflict about which build is best to put together

🤔🤔🤨🤨

[magic pilot]

He's not wrong

[acoustic coral]

Dog eat dog kinda world

[dense hound]

what is the best auto shotgun and why?

[vestal ibex]

Isn't there only 1?

[snow mural]

sweet dreams for me

[onyx sage]

it's just acs-12

[solar sable]

I've heard of Ekims Boomstick ||hahajk||

[tulip charm]

If you can its funpolice-

[warm knot]

Any builds that uses Ceska gloves? Idk if it's worthy of keeping this one

[magic pilot]

Dm you

[tulip charm]

Strikers

[tulip charm]

God Im such a pve player

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[warm knot]

Strikes? Which piece should I swap then? I was actually looking for the ceska chest piece.

[tulip charm]

Its when you run striker chestpiece

ie raid, leg, and incursion

[warm knot]

Ah man I deconstructed mine's

[magic pilot]

Bout time

[vestal ibex]

When thinking of builds you've got two major items(backpack and chest) and 4 minor items(mask, knees, holster, gloves) depending on the build you could use ceska gloves in pretty much any gearset build, strikers, nego, and HB.

Are gloves the bis item for all these builds? Maybe? Having options when starting out is nice tho.

[hexed steppe]

as long as you can utilize the gear chest or back*

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's hard to make a single statement that covers all bases because the goal changes so much from gearset to gearset.

[hexed steppe]

gloves will edge out something like coyote. it was just an addition, not a correction

[vestal ibex]

I was just saying it's hard to convey.

[hexed steppe]

i think something like striker/nego its important to just worry about getting high end chests/mask because they will both use the same stuff. once you have those pieces it gives you the freedom to build both sets easily ,those pieces also lend themselves to high end builds without edging out contractors or fox's...

[vestal ibex]

I feel like it depends on what build you've got and how you do your preferences for it. I do think having certain minor slots always take the HE/extoic does help you cut down on inventory needed tho. I just think at the start being overly picky slows you down but it's hard to make suggestions for the best items to use at a time unless you are live viewing their inventory. At the end of the day it's mucky preference bs or lazy god rolled items that could be a different slot until you get one.

[hexed steppe]

thats fair, i was kinda thinking economy of space as well

[vestal ibex]

idk 16 builds with 6+2 for items and guns is still only 128, I never have an issue with builds and inventory slots.

[hexed steppe]

not now.. youre streamlined😆

[vestal ibex]

Actually with 16 builds I'm usually under 100 items.

[hexed steppe]

i average about 100 items. i been gearing up my 3rd alt so im at 110 atm, but need to drop off some stuff

i use very few weapons, most are pairs like m1a variants with boomerrang/flatline

elmo/couple flatline ars

[foggy crag]

So I was wondering if the Carpenter would be a good addition without too much damage loss in my build ( still trying to get ceska if it turns out to be not good for it )

[gentle lichen]

Brand loss especially at your level isn't good

Get a ceska chest instead

Keep the bag

[foggy crag]

What do you mean with brand loss ?

[hexed steppe]

lengmo 1pc is not very helpful for the build. youll be missing crit chance so ceska is more beneficial to your build

[vestal ibex]

CHC is HUGE damage on gearsets and especially for low SHD players, ceska gives 10% which is the biggest damage increase you'll get for any crit build.

[magic pilot]

Maybe some weapon mods/ gear wouldn't hurt either

[foggy crag]

Oh like that yeah makes sense ^^

[foggy crag]

Ah ok thanks 😄

[vestal ibex]

You basically use ceska on every crit build unless it puts you too far over cap and waste stats.

[foggy crag]

i have not looked really into the mods for my weapons just yet

[hexed steppe]

look for this chest/attributes

[foggy crag]

What would be considered too much ?

[hexed steppe]

60 is the hard cap. as close to that as possible.

[vestal ibex]

Like local said 60 is the cap, you can see your current CHC with your main weapon in the stats tab(press G to swap weapons). The only time you want to be less like towards 50% is if you use the exotic coyotes mask and are in mid buff range most of the time. Coyotes mid buff will net you 10% CHC/CHD and most people play in that range but once you learn more you can tailor your build to fit your playstyle if you happen to be closer more often.

Oh and just so you know you will see advice all over the place and none of it is exactly wrong, people have different skill levels and play styles so most of the time it's just different ideas.

[foggy crag]

I see , i don't know what range i am actually at . Think I am mid range because I love using an LMG as my primary weapon but yeah Ceska is something I will try to farm as much as the game will allow me to play 😂 @vestal ibex

Thanks for the advice btw

[magic roost]

I’m finally starting to feel like I’m doing damage in cd. Mostly thanks to you kind folks here. Now I just gotta find an ar I actually enjoy running

[warm knot]

I just got the chest piece.... it will cost a ton to optimize it tho. I'm runing 56 chc 122 chd. I was also trying picaro's holster and strikers chest instead. I managed to get 850k or so on crit at 200 stacks. Dunno, are there better options for the 200 stacks build?

[vestal ibex]

Really you don't need to optimize it and the damage gained will probably be like 1% total damage or so.

The thing is 200 stacks can be hard to get to and maintain especially once you get your build more and more sorted.

[waxen grotto]

whats the highest dps build

[shy willow]

That's a very subjective question

What content do you want it for

[dull ermine]

Is hunters fury good for incursion?

[rich lotus]

Descent friends, we eating good this week

2 tapping rogue agents is good times

[shy willow]

No

Not enough damage unfortunately

[dull ermine]

Ah

What gives good damage? I’ve ran red heartbreaker and strikers without much issue.

Is negotiators worth using? What about red high end?

I’m just looking for some variety is all, I don’t have strikers on all 3 characters

But don’t want to hold back a team

Specifically for lovebirds since Johnson is just a dps check

[hazy steeple]

for an Incursion, you pretty much just want a full red Strikers.
the coyotes meta setup will serve you well, although you could probably swap out the Coyotes for a Grupo piece if the rest of the team is already running it.

[dull ermine]

You referring to strikers when you say meta setup ? Or red high end?

[hazy steeple]

yes both of those sentences are about red Strikers

unfortunately the old "fmj" build has kinda fallen by the wayside, although it's still great if you can't maintain stacks.

[dull ermine]

I use strikers with obliterate but I’ll try to find a chest piece for it. My first character I was wondering what could fill in for heartbreaker or strikers as I only have hunters fury, negotiators and red high end, remaining builds are either variations or skill builds etc mortar / turret drone, eclipse fire/foam

The hunters fury seems to do very poorly on love birds

[hazy steeple]

Actually yeah the Incursion is one of the few times where a Strikers chest is going to be useful.

When you can, post a screenshot of your main build page and the crit part of your stats page.

[dull ermine]

Hunters fury seems to be fine for Johnson but that’s if there’s 2 other people running strikers … but it causes the team to wipe to Martinez if there’s not enough damage. As far as that goes however I’ve ran it with friends before and they seem to make up for my dps loss by using the strikers chest

[hazy steeple]

HF is great, it's just not great for the Incursion.

[dull ermine]

But since it’s a dps loss I’ll avoid using it, I’m wondering about negotiators or high end tho

I imagine with perfect companion and companion negotiators might do okay

[hazy steeple]

ND I would imagine is a lot worse than Strikers against bosses specifically, since it's better for killing groups over single people.

[dull ermine]

Ah it’s a shame cause I don’t have more space on this character, not without deleting all my gun variants which are like 7 guns or so

[hazy steeple]

There's a very good chance that out of the 150 pieces you have on that char, at least a few of them are redundant.

[dull ermine]

I recently found the mp5 just sucks so it might have to go

[hazy steeple]

It actually doesn't, but it depends on your playstyle.

I use an mp5-st on my HF setup.

[dull ermine]

I keep dying with it on my HF lol

But that’s more because I’m a rush and try and kill everything in 2.5 seconds out of cover

[hazy steeple]

Well outside of your mp5 being cursed, try this trick that helped me stop hoarding so much.
Look at an item, is it a) one recal away or already perfect stats, not counting optimisation?

once you've done that you can jump to the 2nd method.

[dull ermine]

This character has like 5 1886 variants 😂

Because I alternate between the talents before tinkering came out

[hazy steeple]

I guess someone has to love the 1886 who's not me.

but look at your gear. Do you have pieces that are impossible to make perfect?

if so, you know what you have to do.

[shy willow]

Yeah strikers is the top top DPS for incursion

Strikers chest and bloody knuckles for extra points on Wright and lovebirds

[dull ermine]

I have like 5 or so ceska grupo pieces each respectively

Vigilance is way too situational to me 😔

Concussion / wicked / companion for countdown, composure for my general play but sometimes I hotswap to companion etc

Same goes for obliterate / spotter, glass cannon

Main issue there is guns I like using sometimes are either missing a mod slot or missing all mod slots 😔

Why honey badger missing muzzle smh

[dull ermine]

You use ouro/ st Elmo for Chc loss of coyotes?

Mid range buff

I think my strikers is at 50-55 chc before coyotes

[thin patrol]

I use Hunter's fury with The Apartment smg in incursion. (No striker needed here)

[vestal ibex]

I mean you can use all skills and oxy lovebirds in the incursion but at the end of the day you aren't going to contribute nor do as much damage. You might want a self handicap but I wouldn't suggest it for people who aren't bored with the game.

[shy willow]

Ouro is best DPS anyways

[warm knot]

Hotshot

[shy willow]

If you don't do it with strikers you're just making it more difficult

[shy willow]

Infinite dps

[vestal ibex]

I'm shocked he isn't using the double barrel tho.

[wet nimbus]

I wouldn't bother trying, I don't think they like anything meta lol

[bleak siren]

chameleon striker meme is popping off

[magic pilot]

Dps in the range is crazy

[bleak siren]

number one chameleon hater had to show up the second it was mentioned

[vocal glacier]

kinda wack

chameleon build is the new meta?!

🤔

[magic pilot]

I'm here all the time

[bleak siren]

Preferred weapon choice if not St Elmo?

How you gonna use St Elmo if you deconstruct them

[vestal ibex]

To strengthen better weapons with the exo components

[shy willow]

St Elmo is actually pretty mid DPS wise

It's just easier to use

[magic pilot]

Ouro

[shy willow]

^

[magic pilot]

Or regulus

[thin patrol]

We are not newbies, have been playing with the same dedicated clan team for 4 years. So we know what we are doing.

[shy willow]

Then you should know better than to use HF in an incursion

It's a self handicap

[tawdry flare]

No one mentions scorpio

The king for casuals

[versed summit]

Playing the game wrong for 4 years doesn’t make you better than someone who’s played the game wrong for 1 year 🤷🏻‍♂️

[thin patrol]

We don't use meta everything becomes story mode with it. It's more fun with challenges

[vestal ibex]

Then you should include that with your advice.

[magic roost]

There any decent status builds?

[vestal ibex]

Fire EP and it's cc version.

[magic roost]

Is it in the sheet?

[vestal ibex]

Yurp

[thin patrol]

I haven't played wrong I've played right all these years. And in the last 2 and 1/2 years I have done almost all heroic content and manhunt with double barrel shotgun and backup boomstick, and no expertise. I don't need a striker meta

[magic roost]

How do I farm st Elmo’s? Target ar in cd?

[shy willow]

Yes

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=-mOdR1dAraaNCILv

[tulip charm]

Yeah lets not forget the best gun in the game

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio just works on any build will just work

AS a eclipse CC from scorpio is insane good

And reliable unlike elmo/Oreo

[tulip charm]

And you can kill stuff with it as a support it’s actually funny

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

It's the goto weapon whenever I am dps

[tulip charm]

Yeah I see you main it

[tulip charm]

Is that it?

[shy willow]

Have every dps on incursions or raids run HF with boom sticks and see what happens

[thin patrol]

I have done both DH and IH flawlessly with the boomstick

[shy willow]

every dps

[solar sable]

I won't mess with rng for these Contractors and Ceska gloves. They just need a future recal.

[magic roost]

I’m looking for a good status effect build to run in pvp. Any good suggestions?

[magic pilot]

Use a normal build

[stiff jasper]

Few type status build in pvp
Fire damage
Pure CC
Armor supporter

Which one you want

[dull ermine]

Is this a meme or are you being serious? (I’m genuinely asking by the way there’s no hate with my comment I’m open to discussing how it works for you / what you do to make it work)

I’ve used HF like 3 times so far, it’s not bad for the first 3 encounters

But the lovebirds it seems to lack some dps

For me personally tho I’ve noticed some people build around the mods of some guns so that could be part of the reason HF specifically falls short (the strikers can’t make up for damage increases without strained, optimist, fast hands etc)

Flatline

[steel rampart]

The named sokolov gloves. One piece Golan, picaros and one other brazos, technician.

Depends on what youre trying to do. Dark zone or conflict? The more you put into status / skill tiers the less dps you’ll have

[dull ermine]

So basically if there’s a dps loss from other builds it hurts the HF more because they can’t do as much damage in the short run is all I’m saying

But if it works for you I’d love to hear about your experience and how you run it

[magic roost]

I was thinking fire. But I think I’m going to work on rolling another Stryker for solo dz

[dull ermine]

Honestly I think the dps check would not be needed if it wasn’t for the 2nd drone Johnson spawns… I don’t get why it has to be immune the entire time

It makes doing boomer with 7 first time clear Randoms actually fun

[stiff jasper]

Only noob use that trash gloves with status build so 🤫 thx

[dull ermine]

The Sokolova gloves is funny cause I tried rolling status on it 😂

Hoping to get 25%

But it’s like picaros with its weird attribute

[dull ermine]

Oh I was mostly looking to see if the builds I have on that character would work as I generally don’t want to have to have the same build on 3 characters

Breakdown of my builds

Char 1: couple variations of Negotiators, high end red (1 with weapon handling), hunters fury, oxy, mortar, skill empress, skill with emperors and deathgrips,

Char 2: umbra, heartbreaker, azur’s lmg build, planning to put HHF, HH regulus and a few sniper builds, there’s a high end red, ongoing directive

Char 3, 3 variations of tank builds, FI healer, HW drone killer, strikers, red high end, HW cluster spam

[stiff jasper]

Golan, electrique, 2 wyvern , prefect glass cannon, contract,

All Status effect and then skill damage on attributes

[devout agate]

If I’m level 30 can I use the Coyote mask or no

[magic roost]

Thank you!

[steel rampart]

Fire sticky is a good choice and quick to use. If you want an all status build to quickly die with then deco’s suggestion is a good start

[thin patrol]

It's no problem when someone like me is in a hardcore dedicated raid/Legendary clan. and for the last 3 years I have 99% only played with hunters fury and a little 5.11

[shy willow]

If you want variety use different build types designed for different purposes

Not just DPS but worse

[solar sable]

What build should I run with Memento and Scorpio?

[steel rampart]

Status build is to handicap them while you shoot them so id try to retain more DPS so you aren’t only relying on status skills. Ninja with picaros and 2 palisade puts you at skill tier 4 with technician

[shy willow]

HF or striker works

Most will

[tawdry flare]

There is a group of raiders who have done DH Sleigher only

At least backup broomsticks have talent

[shy willow]

They must've had a merry time

[acoustic coral]

Headhunter

[shy willow]

Headhunter

[thin patrol]

I'll never forget when I killed my first open world hunter with Sleigher.

[rich lotus]

@foggy crag This is what I use to melt everything on countdown

At the cost of if even the hunters look at you and isn't stunned for a second you pop like a balloon

[gusty ravine]

Anyone know any type of status effect builds for pve

[gusty ravine]

What exotic is that

[rich lotus]

Ouroboros

Incursion only weapon

[gusty ravine]

Oh I don't do them idk how to do them

[versed summit]

Eclipse protocol, but it does depend what kind of status effects you want to use

[gusty ravine]

The good ones 🤣

[versed summit]

yeah take a look at the status effect build guide in the pinned spreadsheet. That'll get you where you wanna go.

[gusty ravine]

Bruh I just realised I don't even have Ep kneepads rofl

[tulip charm]

Well you still would have to pick being an arsonist or a supporter

[gusty ravine]

Which has the best pros but less cons

[tulip charm]

They’re pretty equal. Fire focused variant is good until you’re in a group or harder content. And the more support variant is good for 4 man scaling and legendary imo.

[gusty ravine]

Support aye

So how do I build this support variant

[tulip charm]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5&noteKey=dc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F8f1fc875-172a-9331-f92e-fe314f1772f5%2Fdc56508e8364ba0de3919f877c42afe8&title=Eclipse%2BProtocol%2B%2528Y5%2BS2%2529

It has both

[gusty ravine]

Is cc the support?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

I run The Setup instead of perfect creeping death.

[hexed steppe]

setup is dope on cc eclipse

[hexed steppe]

missions/open world or countdown?

[gusty ravine]

Any

[hexed steppe]

the evernote cc is good for missions/open world.
if you want to be effective in countdown youll need some disrupt resistance. can get there with hazard protection rolls /disrupt resist mods . you can get away with 60-70 disrupt resist but youll still be disrupted by hunters for a short time.
full resistance looks like the attached image. blue attributes are hazard protection. 100% resistance to all status

resist setup also works good on summit f100 since they took away the choke point. this controls the hunters

lots of team buffs as well

[restive python]

why not run the vile mask with it? would only lose 10 hazpro, id argue 90 is plenty enough

the DoT is quite significant

[vestal ibex]

The dot? From vile? On a CC build?

tbf the vile isn't significant in the fire build it's just more damage than any other option.

Regardless that's a purpose built CC variation for countdown/F100 hunters.

[rocky rain]

What a good MM setup? Hotshot with Hasburg and Providence?

[acoustic coral]

MMR? There's quite a few

[rocky rain]

Marksman indeed

[acoustic coral]

That's one
You can also run 3p
High-end
Swap for habsburg unicorns
Aces

[rocky rain]

And if not wanting to put everything on headshots, is it then still CHC/CHD?

[acoustic coral]

Then you don't play with MMR

[vestal ibex]

HSD and WH

[rocky rain]

Ok, fair eneough

[vestal ibex]

To put it simply the headhunter version MMR build can be built a TON of ways so if you don't want to customize just copy paste.

[rocky rain]

What is 3p actually? 3 pieces?

[flint wave]

4pc is the best one

yes

[vestal ibex]

4 pc allows you to not need to reload which honestly is preference.

[rocky rain]

Thanks. And with headhunter you mean what’s in the pinned document?

[vestal ibex]

Sure.

[brisk barn]

We call it headhunter because the talent on the chest piece is called that

It’s the key part of the build basically

[flint wave]

[gusty ravine]

@acoustic coral where having a debit well I am with myself I'm wanting to do a status build or try move into heroic but idk where to start everyone saying EP but idk which one to chose

[shy willow]

If you wanna go to heroic a good starting point is strikers or hunters fury

[hexed steppe]

Vile just isnt worth. I could still hit 100% hp with vile by adding a roll to the chest.
Definitly purpose built like Souless mentioned. You can definitely get away with 90 but you will still be disrupted. This setup you dont get disrupted, or any other status for that matter

[gusty ravine]

I ain't fond of striker it has little survivability

[shy willow]

But if you specifically want status builds the big two are EP fire and it's crowd control version

[acoustic coral]

shoot first, ask questions later

[gusty ravine]

Like ye it's great for dps but I'm more of a run and gun

[gusty ravine]

SOMEONE WHOS ON MY PAGE xD

[shy willow]

So you kill everything before it touches you to compensate

[gusty ravine]

But I'm a bad shot 🤣 on most days

[brisk barn]

Hate the word survivability
Doesn’t exist in this game
Tanks take 3 shots from a shotgunner and die

[gusty ravine]

When im having a good day I don't miss when it's an off day it's like oof aim

[flint wave]

Average glass cannon player

[brisk barn]

Goat cannon

[flint wave]

deathwashere for you not for us

[gusty ravine]

Lmao I somehow made a whole CD leave cause they didn't get to my reviver hive quick enough rofl

[brisk barn]

I blame healer

[gusty ravine]

Ooo I might go medic build

[shy willow]

Don't need a healer if you're not getting hit constantly

[brisk barn]

Exactly! Just use cover

But if I die it’s my healers fault

[gusty ravine]

What's cover

[flint wave]

who needs healer just heal from out of combat

[shy willow]

Rip free armor regen

[hexed steppe]

Try hunters fury then.
You get armor on kill, add gunner and get more armor on kill.

Its gonna be a common theme with any dps... you need to kill them before they can shoot you.
You can use memento to get some easy regen, but again... you'll need kills to make it work...
If you cant make any dps work, you should temporarily step down a difficulty level and get a better grasp of npc behavior. Then move into higher level content

[gusty ravine]

I play challenging for farming

[acoustic coral]

4pc Hotshot is also nice when you get the Bonus Armor stacked up
Otherwise I need to get into Heartbreaker aswell, bonus armor sounds nice (to change up the pace from Striker)

[hexed steppe]

Strikers can really take you through anything tbh. You just gotta not try and facetank
If you use cover to cover moves you'll throw off the NPCs aim as well, compared to just running wherever

[gusty ravine]

I have a HB build

Ngl I think the only reason I don't die on most missions is cause I'm used to playing HB and rushing

[flint wave]

your hb probably has quite a few blue cores as well as the set comes with blues by default

[gusty ravine]

I sent a photo of it

Yee I'm a bot

Well I'm lvl 114 now or something

[magic pilot]

Determined for what

@acoustic coral 4pc hotshot, providence with vigi and chainkiller

[gusty ravine]

Real question is how did u miss that first shot 🤣

[vestal ibex]

CONTROLLER AAAAAAHHHHHHH

[acoustic coral]

?

[magic pilot]

I hit the first shot?

[gusty ravine]

Oh it looked like u missed lel

Had to slow that down

[magic pilot]

^

[gusty ravine]

Wait u did 6.4m dmg

Or did I read that wrong

[magic pilot]

Probably around there yes

[acoustic coral]

idk what you're alluding to tbh

[gusty ravine]

@acoustic coral when I get my pc sorted wanna like carry me to lvl 40

[magic pilot]

I was just showing the build you were talking about for reference

[magic pilot]

I will lol

[acoustic coral]

Ah - was just confused cuz of the tag ^^

[gusty ravine]

@magic pilot omg a true friend I finally fount my calling

[vestal ibex]

Do you play on your PC account at all?

[magic pilot]

Yea I played in December 🤣

[hexed steppe]

No hes never on

[magic pilot]

Now that I got matador on console I'm gonna play pc again

My headshot rate on pc is nuts

[vestal ibex]

You do much shooters on pc tho?

[magic pilot]

Ready or not and battlebit, some fallout 4

I played MnK in dayz on ps4

My drivers are updating

[lyric prism]

started Forbidden West last night. there is something wrong with the veritcal frequency or something, some of the movies play with what looks like frame edge tearing, very annoying

[gusty ravine]

So like everyone saying striker for heroic like should I risk it to try heroic or nah

[versed summit]

I'm an advocate for trial by fire. You'll die a lot but you'll learn.

[gusty ravine]

Wdym by trial by fire

[versed summit]

sink or swim. Go for it instead of playing challenging till you feel comfortable with challenging.

[gusty ravine]

Like I feel like I can grow to a new difficulty but the playstyle I like playing idk if it's stopping me or I'm just pulling myself down

[magic pilot]

Put on pgc and go for it

The first 2k levels of the game I got shit on

Now it only happens like once a session

[gusty ravine]

Pgc?

[versed summit]

your playstyle might be hurting you. solo heroic you can find a build for about whatever playstyle though tbh.

[versed summit]

Perfect Glass Cannon. Named providence chest piece

[gusty ravine]

Oh I think I have like 5 of thoughs

Biggest loot goblin in the game

I don't leave an area until I know I have everything rofl

Like I done all the echo devices is that bad 🤣

[acoustic coral]

Yes, you're a maniac

Now go work

[gusty ravine]

Y I'm on break

[acoustic coral]

cuz of this #off-topic-discussions message

[restive python]

very true, armor is kinda irrelevant. just kill them before they kill you.

[plush wyvern]

As a new player , around level 35 I wanted to try gunner but as you know it comes with 0 points

Should I focus on getting points now while leveling or just get back to it at 40

Trying to find the optimal use of time kinda

[versed summit]

the game should be pretty easy for you even at 35, so honestly go for it. not a big deal either way though.

[vestal ibex]

Tech is nicer to level when going to 40 but that's min max bs, just use whatever really.

[plush wyvern]

I liked the lmg, which build will work along that best you think

And thanks for your answers 👍

[snow mural]

I use this build and I don't know if it does any good 🧐🧐🤔🤔

[wheat anchor]

Well, it works

If you hate stack building

[vestal ibex]

Not optimal but would work.

I'd go foxes/contractors and you could go 3 pc prov or 2 pc and keep one grupo cause it would be the same either way.

[gentle lichen]

Ceska or prov holster will improve it immensely

Just brands in general tbh

What you should be going for is 3 pc prov foxes and contractor's with what you got

[spark lichen]

Does vigilance get disabled when my shield takes damage?

[versed summit]

no

[snow mural]

and when it comes to pvp, my build will not be suitable 🤔🤔🤔

[daring meadow]

I have a question, Im running a striker set with coyote mask and Ouroburs with gunner spec. When doing countdown i somethimes get insane dmg per bullet and somethimes not. We are talking a diffrenece in roughly 1 mil per bullet to 3 mil per bullet. I would think that there is someone/something in the group boosting it but i cant figure out what. Anyone has any idea_

[vestal ibex]

Countdown buffs be going BRRRRRRR for some reason.

[daring meadow]

Ok, thanks for the info, but shouldnt it be constant then? Like every round_

[vestal ibex]

It's some combination of counter measures but because it's just a low xp farm no one has really cared to fully figure it out, at least that I know.

[daring meadow]

Alright, Thank you! 🙂

[snow mural]

and when it comes to pvp, my build will not be suitable 🤔🤔

[urban latch]

Your build above is very much not a pvp build

[vestal ibex]

Any build is a pvp build if you go pvp with it on...

[versed summit]

-Sun Tzu

[urban latch]

That's the pvp version of anything is viable if it's possible to get you through a mission

[high hatch]

Striker with St Elmo and 1 Grupo can put planty of dmg compair to this old DPS build

[snow mural]

Thanks for information

Bro

[gentle lichen]

Ceska will squeeze more dps

[vestal ibex]

I was wondering more on the why SS spec.

[acoustic coral]

God aim Kapp

[vestal ibex]

I can only think "coo big pew pew gun"

It is kinda funny how much you can nit pick a build sometimes.

[acoustic coral]

I mean, in this case - it's kinda fair.
Sharpshooter and Grupo is kinda sus @ 4K SHD

[vestal ibex]

In sync too. I'd put sledge or use orbit.

[acoustic coral]

Talking about the side-arm?

[vestal ibex]

Kard custom yeah.

[acoustic coral]

Who cares about the sidearm tho

[vestal ibex]

That side arm provides pretty good utility tho, an extra revive charge to pick up team mates and still have a revive charge for yourself. Why not just get sledge on your huge flashbang?

[acoustic coral]

Flashbang doesn't do damage though, which is required to proc sledge.
Kard for +1 Skill Tier, sure - but

[flint wave]

Flashbang does work on sledge

ur thinking about foam grenade

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I use FBs to proc sledge all the time. It's OP as it's 7m.

[acoustic coral]

Was just looking at this.

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

Bro what CAN you trust in this game tho?

Literally have to test everything.

[acoustic coral]

It's so dumb lmao

[night turret]

Can someone help me with making a better conflict build ?

[flint wave]

you can trust 90% of things

in this game

but always look at testing

[vestal ibex]

goes to test in the shooting range

[flint wave]

better then the spreadsheets

[blissful rampart]

oh HELLL nAw!!!!

[mint axle]

Imagine if the shooting range was like Apex legends shooting range, where you can choose the dummies health, accuracy and behavior (the dummies are npc enemies that can move and shoot like players)

[blissful rampart]

".....where you can choose the dummies" oh nice, id choose AKThompson as mine 😈

[high hatch]

I’m hitting 1.4 mil per shot

[gentle lichen]

You'll hit more

[flint wave]

times have changed, you're the test dummy now

[acoustic coral]

You aren't hitting 1.4M with that setup solo

[high hatch]

At almost 900 rpm

[high hatch]

I do I’ll show a clip

[acoustic coral]

It's pretty simple, not with that setup - 4pc striker, elmo, coyote, obliterate - whether it's ceska or coyote.

This is why I know.
I've got it mathed for crits to hit 1.011.217 - and in-game they hit for 1.011.224 - with mid-range coyote buff.

[vestal ibex]

Crit headshots

[acoustic coral]

1.279.208 mathed, 1.279.216 in-game numbers
That's with 13 Expertise

[flint wave]

how did we miss the number by 8 damage

[vestal ibex]

Rounding yo

[flint wave]

that's a big round

[acoustic coral]

There's probably rounding done between several points.

[vestal ibex]

% wise you are off such a tiny amount tho

I guess we just wait for the clip.

[acoustic coral]

I can get 1.011.224,4 in the math by changing base damage on Elmo from 44.191 to 44.191,3

[flint wave]

[acoustic coral]

No amount of rounding gets it there

[flint wave]

we did it discord

[vestal ibex]

Well rounded mafs

[urban latch]

There are decimals that the game takes into account when calculating things, but only shows us whole numbers. It's why calculating HH numbers to the exact number is near impossible

[flint wave]

I wonder if enemies have decimal health

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, was about to say that ^^

In any case, this is 25 Expertise
Body, Body+Crit, HSD, HSD+Crit
Unless he's playing low CHC (40 something) AND is playing in long-range coyote buff, you aren't getting 1.4M solo

[vestal ibex]

Naw just wait for the clippy

[flint wave]

countdown and/or multiple coyotes buffs hits hard

[vestal ibex]

CD shid you'd get 4-6 mil hits

[acoustic coral]

I know, but I said

You aren't hitting 1.4M with that setup solo

[vestal ibex]

Wait are you including health damage?

[acoustic coral]

Yes. Both in my in-game numbers and calc

[vestal ibex]

Hmmmm.... well shid yo

[acoustic coral]

The math maths

[vestal ibex]

NAW WE GETTING A CLIP SOON, ANYTIME NOW YO

[acoustic coral]

Source: trust me bro

[onyx sage]

we should start getting up to 4 fractional digits for mmr base damage. i've been getting very consistent HH numbers with them

of course we can get more but 4 is where the rounded number is already accurate

[urban latch]

To me it doesn't really matter. I rarely bother with more than 3 to 4 sig figs, and just round the rest.

[flint wave]

this is what boredom leads to

[urban latch]

The only time it really has any meaningful effects is when you get into the super large numbers with things like combining DCH, HH, and Achilles

[rich lotus]

hundreds of millions, pfft. those are rookie numbers. Diablo 3 is where it's at.

right click for 198 Trillion

[gentle lichen]

Multipliers eating good whenever numbers get big

[vestal ibex]

Ah my impale DH....

[urban latch]

👍

[high hatch]

thats a good dmg and a safer build for a DPS and thats solo for 980 RPM

[warm knot]

Btw, I forgot to ask. I'm currently running HF, lady death or the grudge + killer banshee. Overall which is better, the killer banshee or dark winter?

[acoustic coral]

1.25M, not 1.4M

[gentle lichen]

A banshee with a different talent

[high hatch]

1.25 yes solo

[gentle lichen]

Killer is an rng talent so it really isn't that good

[high hatch]

1.4 for sure 1.5 with good group 😄

[gentle lichen]

Optimist or strained work better or for open world use preservation

[gentle lichen]

Then you're misleading

[high hatch]

anyways my guy was asking for a help and i think its easier to build and have 💁‍♂️

[gentle lichen]

"My build is toptier" shows the damage with FI buff and hollowpoint ammo with target that has oppo procced on it

[warm knot]

I wouldn't say that. I mean, Ik it depends on rng, but its a smg build yk.

[gentle lichen]

My point is don't say the build is good when you have group you should show the solo damage to not mislead players expecting higher damage

[warm knot]

Also, Im running obliterate sokolov

[wise swallow]

my EB hits for 5 million (i have full busy bee proc, FI, hollowpoint, sledgehammer and fininsher)

[urban latch]

And I can get over 3mil per shot with the ouroboros with group buffs, but that's not how we accurately compare things.

[magic roost]

Is there a good build for the chameleon? I’m currently using it on my striker build because I don’t have Oreo or st Elmo’s. But I don’t want to let it fall to the wayside after I do pull one of them.

[versed summit]

Well the Chameloen isn't very good, and if you build around the buffs, you'r gonna end up with a peashooter when the buffs are inactive.

[solar sable]

Would you like to run some stuff and if I get st Elmo's I drop it to u?

[solar sable]

I'll be online in
≈ 2 hours

[magic roost]

Maybe. I’m not sure if I’m getting on later but if I do I’ll hit you up. I was kinda just theory crafting because this game is invading my brain

[solar sable]

I think td2 is the real virus here

[magic roost]

You right. I think after I get my st Elmo’s or Oreo and put together a striker dz build I’m going to but together a marksman or sniper build

[acoustic coral]

And I can get atleast 4M with Close Range buff in Countdown 🤓

[solar sable]

why did I read that with an actual nerd voice

[sullen sun]

Is pulse amplified dmg w spotter?

Is this a “solo legendary build”? lol

[magic roost]

@solar sable you still trynna run some stuff?

[tulip charm]

Most likely

[solar sable]

yeah, give me just 45 minutes

[wooden acorn]

Thoughts on build?

[solar sable]

why did you add a yellow att at your kneepads?

[wooden acorn]

There's where you're wrong, I didn't add anything lol

Just was the best kneepads I've found so far

[solar sable]

can you recal them to CHD?

[wooden acorn]

Don't know how to do that. Will watch a video on it

[hexed steppe]

spotter and flatline are both amps when target is pulsed by skill/hb headshot/linked laser from tech class

[magic pilot]

Ceska mask

[wooden acorn]

Alrighty, what situations would you use Grupo, Coyote, and Ceska mask? Heard different things for all of them

[sullen sun]

Always coming through

[magic pilot]

Do you have coyotes

[wooden acorn]

Yeah, got all 3

[magic pilot]

Use coyotes and ceska chest with Ouro

If you are playing heroic countdown, legendary, incursions/raids you can probably use striker chest for most of it

[rich lotus]

Thoughts on build? What can I upgrade to make it better

[warm knot]

Why are you using that Thompson instead of a saiga 12 or aa12?

You could get your stacks faster using them.

[rich lotus]

I just had it on but I use the aa12

[shy willow]

Swap the chest for ceska obliterate and the knees for striker and the Thompson for a lefty/aa12

[rich lotus]

Thank you

[spring hull]

started on pc recently after only playing on ps4 a long time ago, how we looking

the dps is juice, max stacks with shotty and then go on a killing spree with Elmo's

[tawdry flare]

Remove ninjabike knees and put ceska

[spring hull]

yes dad

[fresh grove]

Change knees to foxes and change chest piece to grupo or cheska with obliterate, pgc isn’t needed unless for a raid build

[solar sable]

should I run Perfectly Unbreakable for my future Scorpio-Memento with HF?

[tawdry flare]

PGC is fine but he is low on crit chance so ceaka should be better choice

[gusty ravine]

Would these be Fine for my Burn EP until I get some GoLang gloves

Anyone??

[gentle lichen]

Electruique is your ideal choice now

Since it already rolls with skill tier

[gusty ravine]

Wdym

[gentle lichen]

The electrique brand set

[gusty ravine]

What does that look like the logo

[gentle lichen]

A zap

[gusty ravine]

Wait we can't reroll talents on Classifield gear?

[acoustic coral]

No

It wouldn't make any sense if you could change talents on gearsets lmao

[gusty ravine]

Welp time to get a lot of Electrique

[gentle lichen]

@acoustic coral

[gusty ravine]

Does the gloves drop for Electrique

[acoustic coral]

It's a brand, it has all 6 slots like every brand

[acoustic coral]

Firewall = Striker Shield - can you equip that on the striker shield?

[gusty ravine]

I should of re worded that

[gentle lichen]

Yes

[gusty ravine]

How often do they drop*

[gentle lichen]

The mod doesn't have any purpose except for striker shield

[acoustic coral]

Target Loot : Electrique
1/6

[gusty ravine]

So 1 of every 6

This cd gonna be fun

[acoustic coral]

statistically

[gusty ravine]

Might try Hunters Fury

[sullen sun]

Does anyone have a trauma build?

[slate wedge]

what for?

[gusty ravine]

Wish Me luck gonna try out my EP build 🤣 on CD

[feral dove]

whats the max % of dmg out of cover of Foxes knees?

[acoustic coral]

8% - it can only ever roll with 8

[feral dove]

ohh

so i already got it. cause i saw in google there was a 15% one tf maybe it was edited or smthn

i kept grinding waiting to get a 15% one

[acoustic coral]

Not sure where you've seen that, but yeah - Fox = 8%

[feral dove]

thanks mate

[patent fossil]

15% was an old figure for it, got nerfed for being too OP

[acoustic coral]

Boomer (also, damn)

[tawdry flare]

NOTHING was more broken hotshot in PTS it would wipe everything if it existed

[magic pilot]

What was hotshot in pts?

[tawdry flare]

A billion DMG solo

[spice moon]

Does Lady Death have an option for DTOC?

[glossy scarab]

yeah. its by random chance though so it could take a lot of tries

[onyx sage]

it's the same as now except the 20% headshot amp kept on stacking

[acoustic coral]

wait what

[onyx sage]

yes

so reaching 1 billion damage was possible with it if you never missed

obviously it was a bug

[spice moon]

Mine came with DTA maxed. Should I keep it or try re-rolling for DTOC? I’m planning to use it mostly for the DZ.

[onyx sage]

lady death is one that i would actually recommend going for magazine size instead

[tawdry flare]

You mean a feature

[tawdry flare]

Nah 4 bullet's vs dttoc ?

[onyx sage]

yes

because of the talent

if the talent wasn't changed it would still have been dttooc

[tawdry flare]

I mean I get that 32 vs 36

4 more rounds no thanks dttoc

Btw I wanted to see bullet hell with dttoc in descent

Infinite stacks ?

[magic pilot]

In pvp I would go dtooc

[warm knot]

Well, I tried emeline's guard and cold relations... Idk, they just don't do the work. Tbh that 15%+ armor on kill from emeline's isn't that good for hf (if I manage to kill something), cold relations is actually decent, but I dunno, I still find killer better

Well, I tried it...

[shy willow]

killer overrated

[warm knot]

The only specific scenario that I found strained good for this build, is when you're fighting a named enemy and you're not on the hf stack... But that's what scorpio or lady death are made for

[shy willow]

strained is good named or not lol

and if not that then just use fast hands

[warm knot]

I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying that killer is serving me better than that

[shy willow]

its an rng based talent so pretty unreliable

[warm knot]

Also, the banshee has a high fire-rate, idk how muh strained would stack on it

[onyx sage]

strained banshee is among the best

[tawdry flare]

Fast hands too

[fresh grove]

Ic

[magic pilot]

If only Ouro wasn't so easy to get

Then I would use high end again lol

[onyx sage]

use high end dps in zoo and tidal legendary challenge

[rich lotus]

Is tank with tardi a viable build to have in countdown?

I seen some people run it but I'm unsure how to feel ab it

[onyx sage]

tardi isn't a problem, it's the sets that people run with it that determine their usefulness more

[rich lotus]

What about if 1 person full red striker slaps a tardi on?

Trading for a coyo or somt

[onyx sage]

then it doesn't make much sense because their tardi doesn't give much armor at all

remember tardi's shared armor is based on the wearer's armor

[rich lotus]

Does haz immunity also stop emps?

[onyx sage]

yes

because hazpro includes disrupt res

[rich lotus]

Nice

I got that unicorn emperor's and wanted to invest in making a general use tank build when needed

Prob going for just this one and having it saved for whenver

[onyx sage]

it's just for IH tbh

not much use elsewhere

[rich lotus]

Is it much diff than a general use build?

[onyx sage]

well a general use build doesn't need that much selfish survivability

[patent fossil]

'general use tank build' is something of a contradiction in terms

[onyx sage]

you quite literally don't need a tank build in general use

but there are dps hybrids that focus on damage while putting on some blue cores and use shields for more survivability

the focus isn't on tanking or surviving, it's for dealing damage but getting more leeway

the build you showed purely focuses on survivability with very minimal effort put into debuffing the enemy or buffing the team or more generally supporting the team

which is great for IH because there needs to be dedicated tank roles, but bad outside of that

[magic pilot]

How come?

[magic pilot]

This will at least deal good dmg and buff your teams armor a ton

Gives your team 2m armor. Good for heroic countdown

[steel rampart]

Nice job on the emperor’s.

Thought I’d share this for anyone not aware. Demolitionist gives 20% burn resistance if needed.

Immunity Thresholds:
Poison - 96%
Ensnare - 93%
Bleed - 93%
Blind/Deaf - 91%
Burn - 91%
Disorient - 93%
Disrupt - 96%
Shock - 84%

I run mine with 3 Uzina 1 yahl bellstone and Gila Pointman. I find all the armor to be overkill but reaching immunity thresholds is important. I prefer adrenaline rush for Fieser and during diagnostics rarely have the shield kept up. Hot swap to the setup when killing bosses. Protector talent is useful for Morozova

[ancient dune]

Some of the thresholds are a little higher than that aren't they?

[onyx sage]

for a challenge

[spring hull]

?

[fresh grove]

That works

[tulip charm]

Coyotes > Foxes

Other than that it works

[acoustic coral]

now this is a godroll, talent ready for fun lmao (just getting different MMRs to play around with)

[spring hull]

coyotes?

[wise swallow]

depends, someone said raid build so just swap if you alrerady got several coyote players

[tulip charm]

For raid huh

[wise swallow]

Exotic mask

[spring hull]

oh yeah

[wise swallow]

oh maybe not raid

idk i saw raid somewhere

[tulip charm]

Yeah Coyotes mask

[fresh grove]

That too

[solar sable]

should I expertise my st Elmo's or nah?

[hexed steppe]

sure, right attributes. i wouldnt add to many levels till its optimized, but if you like it run with it

[magic pilot]

Oh🤣

[fresh grove]

Should optimize it first

[solar sable]

I'm currently running for the materials so it's gonna take a little while

[hexed steppe]

its worth a couple so you can start stacking reciever components again

[solar sable]

I have those full

[wooden hamlet]

What's a good solo legendary build ? i need abt 2

[shy willow]

Strikers/negotiators

[night yarrow]

what yall think of this build?

going for a very up close and personal build

[shy willow]

If you want close and personal I suggest hunters fury

[night yarrow]

(that is the claws out holster if you didn't recognise)

[shy willow]

At the minute your build is pretty random

[night yarrow]

wyvern for skill stats so I can stun and use hive alot

the 5.11 is bcs I get hit alot

and the plate carrier is zero f's

[shy willow]

Yeah no that's not how it works in this game unfortunately

[night yarrow]

wdym

[shy willow]

Spreading out stat distribution and cores instead of making you all rounder just makes you garbage at everything

Generally you want all red or red with a couple of blues if you wanna be doing any real damage

I suggest 4pc hunters fury with the memento backpack and a ceska obliterate chest

[night yarrow]

I don't play pvp or NYC

[shy willow]

Oh you're level 30

[night yarrow]

yeah

lvl 30 world tier 5

[shy willow]

Are you planning on getting the expansion

[night yarrow]

maybe when I get a better pc

I have under spec cpu and 8 gigs of ddr3

[shy willow]

If you're gonna get it down the line don't worry about your build cuz it's gonna instantly go obsolete when you start the expansion

[primal horizon]

hey yall, I'm sure I'm missing something but question...

[shy willow]

Shoot

[primal horizon]

if breadbasket procs off body shots, couldn't I just shoot at the neck of the target with a shotgun and get the single stack of 35% every other shot?

likewise move it a touch in the right direction to the body and get stacks?

[shy willow]

Not sure about breadbasket but it probably stacks per shot not per pellet

[primal horizon]

right

[shy willow]

Better off with something like pummel anyway tbh

[primal horizon]

but if you shoot the neck it's a body shot with at least one pellet, then you get 35% hsd next shot, so in the same spot at least a few are headshotting off that neck blast

[night yarrow]

badger tuff is air and space museum 😔

[primal horizon]

so every other shot gets that 35% (been watching it in shooting range)

its literally no buff and 1 stack on first shot, then 35% next shot, then no buff and build first stack again, every other shot is a buffed shot... thinking with a touch of practice on dropping off the neck you could easily get that 70% hsd for 2 from time to time... just a thought, not a pro here by any means

all by just blasting neck shots

[shy willow]

Honestly it's easier to use pummel

Also fast hands now that it stacks per pellet

Breadbasket just isn't a very good talent

[primal horizon]

so fast hands does per pellet, I was wondering about that

breadbasket may be a sleeper with shotties when you plant it for a spread on head and neck

but I get it, gonna have to look at pummel never thought it was any good

you got cliffs notes on why it's worth checking out, just doesn't read in a way that makes me think it's going to really buff me

[shy willow]

Pummel removes the weakness of pump shotguns

The reloads

[primal horizon]

what exactly constitutes 3 consecutive kills?

[shy willow]

Just 3 kills while having it equipped

[primal horizon]

though knowing fast hands now applies with shotties has be wanting it lol

[night yarrow]

hey good to know I can still 1 tap melee a havy gunner vet on full health and a little armor with melee

[primal horizon]

oh wow, so it's not like 3 trigger pulls or anything, it's just every 3 kills you get buff for 10 seconds

[night yarrow]

I love my build

(this was on challenging btw)

[shy willow]

Yeah free reload and weapon damage every 3 kills

Really good on a super 90 or m870

[primal horizon]

that's pretty awesome cause the buff is crazy... i'm trying to figure out how I want this build to actually work (I know it's going to be dogshit for the good players but so far I'm liking the idea...)

[shy willow]

You can drop a screenshot here and I'll take a look

[shy willow]

Ahh ok that's pretty standard high end setup

[primal horizon]

figured as much, not trying to reinvent the wheel

[shy willow]

Generally you run foxes and a good rifle though along with a good AR

[primal horizon]

but of course I want to walk in confident I'm set up to be awesome lol

[shy willow]

If you want a cqc sort of deal I recommend hunters fury instead

[night yarrow]

are melee build a semi existant thing in this game?

[primal horizon]

well that doesn't really fit what I'm trying to do lol, I'm looking to play an LMG

[night yarrow]

bcs I run one, and I've never heard of one

[shy willow]

Not really no

[primal horizon]

atm on this build 😄

[shy willow]

Sweet dreams is used so is bloody knuckles but nobody builds around melee damage

[primal horizon]

but I mean, if I can get advice on other stuff I have a few on this main toon I'm looking at atm

[night yarrow]

claws out + bloody knuckles + banshee (skill) = melee build

[shy willow]

If you want an lmg I recommend an RPK or L86 instead of the bullet king

Otherwise the build is good just need a better shotgun

[shy willow]

Thing is nobody uses claws out

And you can't kill with melee unless you have sweet dreams (reliably)

[primal horizon]

I very much like this for my countdown and legendary content

[shy willow]

Not for the melee damage at least

[shy willow]

Sure

[night yarrow]

have you tried stun locking a heavy gunner with melee?

its pretty easy

[shy willow]

You can't do that in a firefight cuz there's other ads

[primal horizon]

btw, very much appreciate being able to bounce build stuff off you, good stuff, thanks

[shy willow]

Of course

[night yarrow]

you clearly haven't tried hard enough

[shy willow]

Brother you are not the first to have tried to make melee work there's a good reason nobody builds around it

At most you put sweet dreams on a setup that does no damage to get some free kills that's it

[primal horizon]

you mentioned a better shotgun, what are the choice shotguns if I go fast hands or pummel?

[shy willow]

Super 90, M870 excellent options

[primal horizon]

no one can make me drop my BK lol, just love the pressure it puts out

[night yarrow]

super 90 better imo

[primal horizon]

oh, I think you missed my gun or there was a bug

oh wait, you know what, it's my damn hdr always f'ing up when I record or screenshot

Im using super 90 maxed with dtt

ah shoot, I forgot to save the loadout I was adjusting lol, now I'm back on the one that had me testing to end up asking questions

none the less, BIG thanks for help as well as fast hands news (to me)

I get to play all night since wife's nephew broke his damn arm in 2 spots so she's babysitting and I'm a husband with a house to himself lol

[night yarrow]

honestly it would be smart for me to use sweet dreams considering I have like 4 of them but I hate spas so I dunno

damn suppressed m4 in the planetarium sound FUNKY

[shy willow]

All you need to do is hit ppl with it

[shy willow]

Just roll off the breadbasket for fast hands or pummel and you're golden

[night yarrow]

yeah but it looks so shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[shy willow]

As far as aesthetics go it doesn't look half bad tbh

Although I prefer how lullaby looks

[night yarrow]

obtain therapy

btw why does m4 have this weird echo when I fire?

[shy willow]

There are significantly uglier guns in the game

[night yarrow]

lies

[shy willow]

You're firing it in an enclosed space lol

[night yarrow]

not counting the tbk

[night yarrow]

yeah but I've never heard it like that b4

[hazy steeple]

div2 has these odd little attentions to realism but not all the time. It can be jarring at first.

[night yarrow]

so what part of you is A.I?

I gotta wonder

[primal horizon]

hey, what about this one for just watching way too many buffs on screen as a semi-lazy CD player?

[shy willow]

If you want tank I suggest OD for CD

For dps it's just the usual bunch

[primal horizon]

no tank, just sit back and help with group buffs, it's genuinely the lazy build

[shy willow]

OD tank procs group buffs

[primal horizon]

ok, where would the last 2 slots go?

[night yarrow]

ongoing directive?

I used to run that set, its amazing with smgs

[primal horizon]

never really understood tanking in division because aggro isn't WoW style taunt or anything (unless I guess you want to use the mosquito)

or run ahead every time and hope to be first contact

but again, I never really got the tank thing in this game so it's new to me

[shy willow]

Yes

[shy willow]

Blue OD is less to tank and more to buff the team

If you have more armour then vanguard and galvanise get way more valuable

[gentle lichen]

Tank is only for you to share your "tank" armor

[primal horizon]

not gonna lie, I just wanted to have the 10 nades for that sledgehammer

[night yarrow]

yo I heard yall need some ongoing directive, it aint the best gearscore but set piece is set piece

[primal horizon]

wtf

[gentle lichen]

Bag is good if you want to focus on status but the suggested build uses galvanise

Because blue

[primal horizon]

wish I had some lvl 30 gear for my alt mat mule lol

[night yarrow]

wtf is blue?

[gentle lichen]

Oh i just noticed it's gearscore

[shy willow]

Core

[gentle lichen]

Armor core

[night yarrow]

I got enuf

[primal horizon]

not on going but it was my best guess for using that pointman or whatever it's called

[magic pilot]

Ditch memento

[night yarrow]

I got sawyer and bloody knuckles from dz crates bouta kms

[gentle lichen]

Put Lavoisier

[night yarrow]

give me some cool shiz😭

[magic pilot]

Why does your pointman have a red core lol

[magic pilot]

Bk is good tho

[primal horizon]

it's a solo regen build I was playing around with

[night yarrow]

I agree but everyone thinks melee focus build is shite

[magic pilot]

Vanguard is terrible solo

[primal horizon]

figured it could do something for a group and still barely kill something

[magic pilot]

Not just for melee

[primal horizon]

yes, vangaurd doesn't do anyting solo from what I recall

[magic pilot]

20% TWD is nuts in PvP for smg build

[night yarrow]

bruv

I don't pvp

[shy willow]

Nobody uses knuckles for the melee

[night yarrow]

I do

melee can activate seeing red

[gentle lichen]

Conflict has a very solid melee build for pvp

[night yarrow]

so melee is valid

[primal horizon]

basically I'll try any build and for 3 of my 4 I keep a steady HB, striker, and future initiative, then 4th is mule and first is all the weird stuff I just want to see for giggles

[night yarrow]

enlighten me

[shy willow]

So can grenades which also proc sledgehammer

So generally you proc with nades

[night yarrow]

grenades suck

[gentle lichen]

Claws out+lady death+striker shield on firewall spec

[night yarrow]

my options are foam and standard

[gentle lichen]

Though those things are level 40

[shy willow]

It's not to deal damage dude it's to proc buffs

[night yarrow]

I love not having access to the banshee (cmmg)

[primal horizon]

keeping maybe 300 in stash just to keep everything cleaned out of all that gear I'd like to think I'll use but never get around to... I do heavy clean outs on my stash roughly every annual quarter

meant 200

[gentle lichen]

I think the dlc goes on sale frequently

[night yarrow]

I aint good enough for the dlc

I don't got a squad to extinguish a flaming sledge man

[gentle lichen]

Not talking about paradise lost talking about the wony dlc

[night yarrow]

ah mb

still need a squad tho

[devout agate]

What’s the best mask for dps

Also is the ravenous good

[night yarrow]

obtain pestilence

no balls

[shy willow]

The only things you need a squad for are raids and incursions

[night yarrow]

I fear parnnell (or however its spelled)

[shy willow]

Parnell is a wuss

[night yarrow]

yeah well so am I

[primal horizon]

well thank you all for the input and whatnot

have a good one!

[shy willow]

[night yarrow]

I need to obtain some things but yall can get the direction I'm going

[feral dove]

is carbine 7 still good

[gentle lichen]

Not really

It's decent but definitely not a top performer when it comes to ARs

[feral dove]

Oh

whats like the best

or like one of the best, is it FAMAS?

[night yarrow]

its not even decent

my mp7 does more dmg than it :v

[gentle lichen]

That is with level 40 in mind

Unsure about gearscore

[night yarrow]

my 477 mp7 did 1k more dmg than a 486 carbine 7

[gentle lichen]

F2000 is quite good and the shield splinterer beats the famas and has 10 extra rounds but bear in mind it has one less mod than the famas

[night yarrow]

and I had no buffs on either weapons favor

[gentle lichen]

Gearscore is really outdated i believe it is around 5 years old atp

Now it is replaced by level 40

[feral dove]

ohh okok ill try to get an f2000

been grinding countdown, been using a st elmo atm

[gentle lichen]

Its still decent but other options are better if you want more dps

[feral dove]

for more dps i should use a F2000 right

[night yarrow]

what is this?

ah

[fresh grove]

It’s for the dodge city gunslinger holster project, can be a pain in the rear, holster is useful once you get the hang of it though

[night yarrow]

enlighten me

tell me more

bcs I have no clue what this thing is other than a holster slot

[fresh grove]

Basically you’re gonna make sure your world difficulty is heroic and travel to the riverside gas station control point. Clear the enemies and it should drop a component. Then go to any control point that has true sons, hyenas and outcasts and take out the bosses with a cowboy hat. Once that’s done head to a building at 15 St NW aka the building with the echo where schaffer is talking to his boss and once you head there after 12 in the afternoon and there should be a enemy there. Clear the enemies he should drop the component. Head back to the base of ops and craft it and you should have it.

[night yarrow]

"make sure your world world difficulty is heroic" huh?

[fresh grove]

In case you’re wondering how that works, click m for map and hold z for global difficulty then click heroic aka level 4.

[night yarrow]

z aint doin anything

I'm world tier 5 tho if thats worth anything

[fresh grove]

I see, should probably do wony though maybe that’s the issue

[night yarrow]

I got the first part so shouldn'

t the others drop too?

[fresh grove]

They should, make sure to do warlords though as that’s how you gain access to the global difficulty scale

[night yarrow]

NYC isn't exactly something you can just "do rq"

its a painful process

[fresh grove]

True, should probably let someone help you in that case

[night yarrow]

I don't even have money for the dlc

I spent it all gambling

[fresh grove]

Rip, should wait for a clearance on steam should be cheap that way

[night yarrow]

is there any chance that was the first part the initiate the other 3 parts to be available?

for the riverside?

bcs I just cleared that :v

[fresh grove]

Not sure about that

[night yarrow]

"Then go to any control point that has true sons, hyenas and outcasts and take out the bosses with a cowboy hat." could I get some elaboration on this part please?

[night yarrow]

what does this holster even do?

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr a named enemy should spawn that has a cowboy hat on, kill them and maybe loot, can't recall.

[snow mural]

you see, brother, you showed me wrong, the build cannot be, it is not suitable for conflict 😏😏😏😡😡😡☹️☹️☹️

however, it must be blue with armor
but nothing happened, no harm done

[hazy steeple]

That setup is pretty much the meta for PvE DPS, most people are going to default to PvE when asking about builds.

although the widespread use of grupo over ceska does make me wince a tad.

[night yarrow]

2.5s hive cooldown is the best

[acoustic coral]

I agree, it's just straight up an overall loss of CHD at the end of the day

[hazy steeple]

I do get why they use it, the Elmo gives ya' plenty of chc and it doesn't look like you really need it, and hey more CHD is always better.
it's one of those tricky things in div2, like farming a named boss for an Exotic over other methods.

[acoustic coral]

Oh, yeah, but 10% CHC equates to 20% CHD (Attribute/mod wise). You still need CHC on your gear to hit the cap, so you're better off running Ceska for 10% CHC rather than Grupo for 15% CHD

[acoustic coral]

I'd love to see your stats page

[tawdry flare]

Kard kustom

[snow mural]

it is not known what stats he has 🤔🤔

[acoustic coral]

The Backfire build Aspect has in the sheets seems pretty damn meh, but I'll work on getting a perfect version, see what kinda trouble it can get me into - need a new goal anyways.
Ideally I'll get a Lady Death Build going though, the movement speed is just chefs kiss
Did kinda wonder if it would just be a striker build though

Thinking about running Memento, 4pc striker and Grupo Obli (need to tinker with stats) + Lady Death - since it's a roaming build anyways, Memento might be a good call - otherwise I wouldn't run it

[acoustic coral]

DTTOC on Backfire
Only Yaahl piece I have is Hollow Man.
Ignore the knees, they were the only one I had around that I could recal to hazpro without messing up a build.
Will run the 2pc Ceska (10% hazpro), 2pc Sokolov, 1pc Yaahl (10% hazpro) and Memento version
10% SHD watch, 50% from gear, 20% from brand sets then 1-2x bleed resist mods (once I get those, not sure if I'll run them yet since memento will regen the armor)
WIP, but you need a decent chunk of stacks before it feels good

[night yarrow]

how are yall getting exotic backpacks?

[acoustic coral]

Sitting at 58% CHC, 109,7% CHD, 70% hazpro rn
Planning on getting a sokolov obli with hazpro and then change knees to ceska

[acoustic coral]

Warlords of New York

[night yarrow]

oh

rip, how many exotics (gear) are there in non NYC?

[acoustic coral]

Noooo idea, but I'd reckon most gear added via seasons - WONY - isn't in base-game.

[hexed steppe]

Not many.
Wony is kinda essential if you want to have any long term playability.
True end game is after wony.

Tbh, at this point, I kinda wish only wony and ultimate additions were available. Doesnt make sense to offer base game alone considering how much is still locked at that point

[spice moon]

Countdown with backpacks as targeted loot. someone mentioned this tip to me and in two days I had a couple of copies of memento and the ninja bike.

I was trying so hard to get them for 3 months prior

[night yarrow]

I need ppl for countdown no?

[spice moon]

Yes, but it’s pretty straightforward.

You will want to learn and use it regularly. It’s the best way to get loot you need for most builds.

Oh, sorry, meant to say you can match make publicly

You don’t need to find your own team

[acoustic coral]

Isn't Countdown locked to WONY aswell?

[gloomy hollow]

Is hunny badger Assault rifle good for a raid build?

[glossy scarab]

its very similar to the carbine 7. pretty good but there are better options

[gloomy hollow]

Any recommendations? I've been getting alot of them from countdown so i thought it was pretty alright

[glossy scarab]

F2000 or st. elmo would probably be up near the top of the list

[gloomy hollow]

Doesnt st. elmo bug out raid bosses tho?

[glossy scarab]

but i mean if you have a well rolled honey badger it will be fine

[glossy scarab]

possibly. not sure but maybe

[onyx sage]

if your team is doing boomer shock strat then elmo might mess with it

[gloomy hollow]

I was told by a group i play with elmo's and strikers is super bad in raids and to never use it

[acoustic coral]

Most ARs are quite similar in DPS after Project Resolve, I believe it's something like a 5-10% difference at the end of the day, which isn't enough to make a difference for personal play. I like the honey badger myself

[onyx sage]

well striker in raids isn't bad, it's just because striker stacks need to be maintained and mobs have to be tanky enough for that. in raids they aren't as tanky as say legendary, but i find myself getting to 100 stacks just fine on striker. just don't use the chest which gives 200.

[gloomy hollow]

So do I just need to find new people to play with then because I was gatekeeped because they didn't like my chameleon build

[onyx sage]

i think the chameleon is the reason, not striker

[rich lotus]

Strikers is actually very good specially in DH

[onyx sage]

chameleon buffs take quite long to stack and has its problems being a smg-like gun rather than an AR