td2-build-advice

[tulip charm]

Yeah. I’d also get a sokolov backpack with wicked if you plan on running hf in groups

[magic pilot]

I run 2 (total) blue with memento since the yellow will buff shield

[vestal ibex]

I run with my legs.

[magic pilot]

I don't think that's funny I'm crippled

[vestal ibex]

Well now I don't have to make it so, win win.

[tawdry flare]

On 1 leg

Am I the only True Meta Guy in this server

[dim cape]

Anyone got the best DZ Team Healer build? I wanna be a 💩

[wise swallow]

Just use FI

with some blues so you can stay alive

[magic pilot]

Drop one blue to use primary, capacitor and kingbreaker

[acoustic coral]

Hmmge. Dead Island 2 or COD Zombies, but they have guns. Imagine

[wooden acorn]

What should I be farming for?

[acoustic coral]

Striker backpack > a better AR > Grupo mask > ceska chest with Obliterate - I'd farm it in that order

[shy willow]

And then a lefty

[wooden acorn]

I do have a striker backpack. I currently have my loot selected for masks, trying to get the Grupo. Had it set for AR but wasn't getting much

[acoustic coral]

Tbh, getting the correct rolls on all gear over lefty but that's just me. Lefty is nice to have. Doesn't really increase your power

[acoustic coral]

Equip it

[acoustic coral]

This is the order that will net you the most damage increase.
Backpack is self-explanatory with its talent.
Chameleon is just kinda meh, any AR will do for now with okay rolls and a nice talent, put CHC mods on it
Grupo Madk you'll get in no time, then go for the Ceska

[wooden acorn]

What would a nice talent for AR be?

[acoustic coral]

Strained, Flatline, Optimist

[wooden acorn]

Okay, thank you

[rotund pewter]

I prefer a high RPM SMG like the Vector .45 ACP. Absolutley shreds on a Striker build

[stiff jasper]

Survivalist efficiency

[rich lotus]

Pve? Or pvp

[wooden acorn]

I keep getting Coyote's Mask 🙄

[solar sable]

what should my F2k have for talent?

[onyx sage]

strained, fast hands

[rich lotus]

If you use TDI kard to get a skill core and pulse and then swap out, will the pulse remain skill tier 2?

[hexed steppe]

If you're looking for a highend mask it would be better to target the brand instead of masks. In this case, grupo. The loot pool is smaller and will increase your chances of dropping what you need.

Use gear type target for farming exotics

[wooden acorn]

Thank you, I was thinking like is there an option for Grupo and whatnot, guess if I read through the options that would help.

Feel bad for y'all having to deal with me lol

[hexed steppe]

Nah you good. 🍻

[digital tusk]

Been thinking of making a Hunter's fury build, any advice?

[acoustic coral]

Stop thinking, just do, Hunter's Fury guide in the sheets

[rich lotus]

Why is bighorn so strong

You can fully invest on a chc/chd build for dz but in the end investing 1 slot on hs + bighorn will beat you most days

[acoustic coral]

It's what the ladies want 🥴

[rich lotus]

It's absurdl ol

I compared the damage of the same build except traded ouro/lady with the build invested on CHC/CHD for an HSD/Armor regen + Bighorn and the damage difference is miles away

No wonder blue build regen with this gun is the meta

[solar sable]

how would a build with Bighorn look like? Im curious

[rich lotus]

Anything Regen %

[acoustic coral]

I wanna see the two builds aswell

[rich lotus]

HSD + bighorn

[rich lotus]

It's literally what I said lol

Same build only stats different

[acoustic coral]

No god dammit, the gear

[rich lotus]

Oh I was messing around with some because bored at work wait

[rich lotus]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwZgtOAMYExgjAdjNJl2rq6OV6QpAFzABseqCy8848ArBYbPohpTiQJxjBiNwCNRmgzNgXGCNwyKRGOD4Cmo9OMmNZWog178WuVdl4amWlERCMlLAqjZj40CVObnOUuHxDl4wahIIwAAcCPTGujDwsMCW5HykNtA+YIg8TmGw0TCxOXQC0ebRuqhEiDqC+fjG0Dkk0Yh8weBpCGChAsBAA

This the bighorn

Wanted to play in with memento to see how the 3% would work in dogfights

And this is the same build but with chc/chd + smgs for comparison on damage

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwZgtATGAMlgjAdhgx12wGwvrPLYkFoAuYbfeVBeceAVgOLkLQwQLIE45woj4DVBiwJ++CZwh8wMym3Rhs8KJLUkh4RqpwLCUYFwiM1TUiEZa4RViLFhDx5qbwauVYA4AcCEPxCetHQWzEIQVBDAJBBoDjTKXAnI8Fw+KTy4CNoRUZF02WY4WTgkiBr+xYRVKJFkVIieXuCIGWA+2sBAA

[solar sable]

I'm sliding this into my notes really slowly...

[rich lotus]

💀

[hexed steppe]

This is assuming headshot all the time, which may not be the case when put to use

[rich lotus]

It could be fire rate/reload speed difference of smgs messing the all around mag damage

[rich lotus]

True but even if I turn it all off

Bighorn still hits double the smgs

70% hs and 70% hs + 59 chc on smgs

Prob can't tell out of numbers alone bcs lady death talent is not calculated here I think

[acoustic coral]

ngl, very unsure how it's mathing bighorn in there

[rich lotus]

Yeah I'm confused rn

Anyways I never take this into full consideration until I see it in practice anyways

Has HS always been this strong?

[acoustic coral]

Bighorn base dmg is 56.367 - closest I can get on an empty build like this math-wise is 262K not 265K

[rich lotus]

I'm gonna ask the page devs to check it out

[acoustic coral]

I'm not saying the bighorn cannot be strong, it defo is in this specific build - but you'll find another build wherein the oreo shreds and the bighorn wouldn't

[rich lotus]

Oh I know that my hb with oreo still shreds

[acoustic coral]

Math might be a bit off on the page, but it gets the point across - bighorn is only good if you HS tho

[rich lotus]

Was just curious into converting the build I made primarily with smg chc/chd to bighorrn and gash

[rich lotus]

Already do that with smgs anyways

If i can land hs with kingbreaker then I can land with anything rofl

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but there's a difference in having maybe 60-80% HS rate with a full-auto, and having the same HS rate with a semi-auto aka gotta tap, adjust aim between every tap

[rich lotus]

Don't people use bighorn without aiming close range anyways?

I've seen some vids and people rarely aim

I mean scoping

[acoustic coral]

the talent requires you to scope

[rich lotus]

The top of it I think does

Not sure

I just know people dont ever scope and still hits like a truck

https://youtu.be/nQN3HtcfS5U?si=kVCS4QRPMI2_yfVW&t=531

For example

Ignore the guys console aim lmao

Either these are split or it's bugvision number #30483984

[acoustic coral]

17:10 in the video "I'm good with headshot"
The fight you linked" says otherwise

[rich lotus]

That isn't me

I just clicked on first bighorn regen build I saw on yt

😂

Potato console aim I can't even deny

[bright raptor]

yt

now that's a foundationally broken idea

[rich lotus]

Fr I scrolled around and only ever see console players using the build but hitting 70% body shots like what

🥹 Use your joysticks

[patent elm]

So urm what do you do if you don't have 5 unicorn 10%pulse resist mods? Asking for a friend

[rich lotus]

Unicorns?

[tight isle]

What does this slot needs to be extracted mean for the optimization

Did they change it ?

[rich lotus]

Use the hs you pinged instead

Most pieces are easy to find and having to reroll only hs in

[patent elm]

What do you mean hs instead they both use 5 pulse res mods

[rich lotus]

Well go farm it lol

[patent elm]

I was talking about the hs version

[rich lotus]

Welcome to division

[rich lotus]

How is that a unicorn?

Armor + armor regen gila pieces are really not that hard to get

[patent elm]

I probably won't see a single 10% pulse res mod in my time playing Div

I most definitely won't see 5

[rich lotus]

The only real "hard" thing to get there is chill out

[patent elm]

It's not the gear it's the maxed pulse mods

[rich lotus]

Have you farmed for mods specifically?

[patent elm]

A couple of times yea, never seen a maxed res mod though

Except pfe if you count that

[rich lotus]

Well then just go with 3pc yaahl and slap an emperor there

🤷

Lose the 1% regen

[tawdry flare]

I have 3 for some reason

Never ever farmed for them once

[gentle lichen]

Husam lmfao

Out of all console dz players you choose this

[gentle lichen]

Nuh uh

[acoustic coral]

Semi auto 450% damage part does

[gentle lichen]

Uh huh

[acoustic coral]

I don't even know where in the video the actual build guide is
Not in the start, not in the end, he's in the menu for 10 seconds max before running around

[gentle lichen]

Get used to it

No numbers just "this build is good because i beat someone with it"

That's the gauge for dz build effectiveness

[acoustic coral]

"It works for me" and "It works on my machine" kinda vibes

[vestal ibex]

Is this why really bad players say no build works for them?

[rich lotus]

Apparently the bighorn numbers have no issues

Wish I could try it but missing a few pieces still

[acoustic coral]

I just wonder how they add it up from base damage to the 450% at the bottom

[rich lotus]

What I mentioned to them

It might be counting scoped in damage

Instead of just the bottom part of the talent which increases hs

[acoustic coral]

The version you picked - semi auto - is the 450% but it still doesn't math up from the base damage, which is why I wonder how it's done

[vestal ibex]

I think that those damage graphs are always misleading vs what happens in game tho.

[rich lotus]

Nvm it isn't

[acoustic coral]

@vestal ibex it's specifically this. I cannot get the number they have from the base damage in the sheets

[rich lotus]

It sure is

@acoustic coral

[acoustic coral]

Bighorn specifically has two options on mx. One for regular AR (aka not scoped) and one for semi auto (450% scoped)

[hazy steeple]

The orange name is really throwing me off there.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but they show 265K on the page - send them my screenshot, if you take only the bighorn, no expertise, max rolls, no shd

[rich lotus]

He did a test himself as well

[onyx sage]

it should be a 4.5x

it multiplies base damage

[acoustic coral]

MX -> Choose Bighrn Full-Auto -> Set expertise and ARD to 0 + no SHD-> Should give base damage
It gives 51.243 as base damage - Bighorn base in the sheets is 56.367
Which is why the "math was off" - starting number is wrong. Math is correct.

[onyx sage]

wouldn't rely on mx tool for accurate calcs

it still has gaps in that

[acoustic coral]

Just thought they had their base numbers updated is all ^^

[blissful rampart]

wait. it would be 5.5x not 4.5x, (1 + 4.5)

but also the big horn buff is additive with normal WD too. iirc

[onyx sage]

hmm, i haven't looked that deeply

[acoustic coral]

usable for anything?

[magic pilot]

If it had skill dmg yes

[acoustic coral]

how would you roll it?

[hexed steppe]

Capacitor crit hybrid

[acoustic coral]

Yes, but - okay - that item is not touched, how would you want to recal it for that?

[hexed steppe]

Chd for the haste if* it was me

Ide rely on cap/memento stacking for a lot of the skill related attributes

[acoustic coral]

Hmm, alright - I'll leave it in the stash for now, as is, then if I one day start going crazy for something else I can dust this one off

[versed summit]

If you’re going to do that I’d just use ceska grupo etc. tbh

[hexed steppe]

🤔 this got me thinking...
3 empress, yellow core picaros , memento, red core ceska/grupo , tech class, 6y 3r 1b
Capacitor would effectively be operating on 6r equivelant + whatever can be gained from the memento stacks

Could dedicate all attributes to crit. 40%-70% skill efficiency potential with another 60% skill damage potential from cap. Another 10% skill damage from tech class...

[patent elm]

Is the 10% crit from ceska more worth than an extra red core from running 2 brazos?

I would probably rather swap the empress pieces than a second brazos

[versed summit]

Depends how much crit you end up with

[hexed steppe]

You wouldn't need the second brazos core. Skill efficiency from Empress worth more. Tech makes up the 6th skill core. I think you would need the ceska piece to hit around 54%chc (10 ceska, 10 watch, 10 cap, 24% [mask/chest/glove/knee rolls]).
All the secondary and mods could be chd

I'm probably gonna have to build this to see how terrible it turns out

[patent elm]

I just have a hard time believing that the weapon core is important enough to 'waste' a brand bonus slot on 10 skill haste by running picaros, but not important enough to get a 2nd one by forgoing 10 skill efficiency

[hexed steppe]

You'll use the haste since not rolling any skill attributes

[patent elm]

I'm assuming turret drone?

Haste is really useless for turret drone gameplay

Like the version with 2 brazos memento and then 3 empress or grupo ceska fenris/wyvern depending on what you wanna focus more is a well known build and works very well

[hexed steppe]

Yeah most likely. It could kinda be any damage skills tho. You'll have the cap dta and dttooc so it could work for explosives or oxi as well

[patent elm]

I'm just questioning cutting the 2nd brazos (outside of farmability concerns)

[hexed steppe]

I just dont think it's worth. Build it and see how you make it work 😉

[hexed steppe]

actually not too bad... in the range with no memento stacks cap is hitting 530k body crit, 690k head. harmony is 800k b /1.1m h - with insync 1m b/1.3m head

[blissful rampart]

It's actually not a bad hybrid build tbh. Can freely swap into some other skills too (ie decoy, hive, chem) and still be pretty effective

I'd go the 3 empress router over losing one for 2nd Brazos, for the reason being the 3 empress makes build further flexible

[lyric prism]

so they really upped the drops on low levels. this is now level 6.

bought nothing. all drops. wtf.

[pulsar hound]

@wise swallow

[lyric prism]

yellow Striker?

[pulsar hound]

No idea, all I know is that my damage is massively different from usual

[lyric prism]

ok no, I see your question. CD has buffs in it. Close Range Damage is one of them.

its the three boxes your mess with at the beginning of each Countdown run where the first Hunters are you kill.

[pulsar hound]

Yeah the countermeasures, but still

[lyric prism]

the act as buff/debuff boxes. They were meant to make encounters in CD different and more rewards but people just turn them off for the buffs and quick runs.

[pulsar hound]

I thought it was sb in team

[lyric prism]

there are several.

yea, also possible but it would be like an FI setup or The Setup backpack or someone was hitting them with Scorpio for a debuff on target.

[pulsar hound]

So I’m assuming there is a pool of buffs from those 3 switches and it can be different every run?

[patent fossil]

yeah there's a table somewhere that lists them all if you google for it

[steel rampart]

What’s the damage difference between 3 empress vs PCG and a Wyvern for oxy? (BP talent excluded-using Acostas +cont & foxes)

[hexed steppe]

yeah i ran it through a couple heroic mm invaded and didnt get downed and managed top damage.
i think ill try it with the striker drone and oxi since i have cap with both dta and dttooc. weapons are doing decent damage but cap eats the ammo pretty good. ramping uup memento wasnt hard in a group, but only at 40% haste to start so cooldowns kinda not great at first. maybe not a daily driver but a worthy distraction from the norm 💯

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt imagine there is a huge difference tbh. the empress will have you buffing other stats like duration

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure 3 pc empress is better any time you're using an exotic with OXY. Basically you always want 3 pc empress.

I'd say just test both setups tho.

[acoustic coral]

Wait they were?
Now that you say that, I can see it. Like Hard Mode in Ulduar or something.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, and while a lot of buffs can stack up so you go from 1M to 2M crits with Striker (True Patriot, Scorpio, FI and the like), Close Range just says "Eh" and multiplies your damage by a bit more than advertised

[lime quarry]

anyone run the system corruption build?

[wise swallow]

The really shit one? or the shit one?

[lime quarry]

is it not good?

its just hard to farm?

[wise swallow]

yes and yes

hard to farm and garbage

[lime quarry]

oh snap ok

[stoic dock]

Does the pestilenz stacks count as status dmg and does it scale with status then

[fickle light]

no and no

[stoic dock]

Ok thx

[solar sable]

Can someone please send what a Capacitor (and the exo attributes) skill build looks like?

[glossy scarab]

something like this is a classic skill build with capacitor. if you want to use the gun more instead of mostly letting the skills do all the work I can show you a version build for crit and weapon damage

i left the talents for the chest and backpack black but i usually use glass cannon and tech support.

on the crit version i'll use force multiplier

[solar sable]

I'd like to have both in my library just for fun

[glossy scarab]

ok hang on

[solar sable]

np

[glossy scarab]

mostly everything can be shifted around as far as what brands you use in what slots.

[solar sable]

I'll be grinding for these, tysm

[glossy scarab]

oops forgot to put in mods. one sec

[solar sable]

Oh shi, I'll wait lmao

[glossy scarab]

these are the crit stats if your shd watch is 1000+

the crit version is much more fun

[solar sable]

time to give it a try and grind for it

[glossy scarab]

yeah i have like 3 versions of each gear piece for empress, hana and wyvern lol its too much

shouldnt be that hard to farm tho

[solar sable]

nah, I have all night to farm both sets

and Bighorn is also on my list

[glossy scarab]

also if you get a waveform holster you can put that on the build. its alright but i prefer the steady damage from this version rather than the waveform version which buffs only one skill at a time and cycles back and forth

[glossy scarab]

remember when you farm this, if you get pieces with skill damage and crit damage thats fine too, you can just make up for it with CHC mods

[solar sable]

yup, I'll keep my 👀 peeled

[rotund pewter]

pve

[sleek cedar]

what are all of the essentail builds i need?

[glossy scarab]

depends on your preferred playstyle and what content you want to play. but me for instance, i usually keep an all red high end DPS, a strikers build or two, a hunters fury build, a headhunters fury build, a classic skill build, a crit skill build, a future initiative healer build

a negotiators dilemma build is nice to have

[tulip charm]

A cc build is also very good either fire focused or support focused

[glossy scarab]

ohh yeah eclipse protocol is a big one

[tulip charm]

We need to start recommending support builds more often to newer players. I would gladly carry anyone if they run one.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i never even thought about running CC until like 2 years into playing this game

[tulip charm]

I will always miss early wony cc meta

[magic pilot]

Wyvern better imo

[magic pilot]

Foam, striker, HH

[glossy scarab]

yup

[magic pilot]

Couple guys in my clan will run foam and I will carry them till my back snaps in half

I've started running healer for icnursion mostly now, got another flawless run last night for 3 people

[lime quarry]

What are the top builds for Dz PVP

I feel I’ve seen eagle bearer build a lot

[lime quarry]

Thx for posting I’ll try this also

[wise swallow]

play style? what builds have you tried in the past? what type of guns do you like? what builds are you most comfortable playing with? Gun, skills, headshot, crit? looking for high survivability? high dmg? are you playing in a team?

[lime quarry]

Im@mostly solo. So im looking to be able to last if I get jumped at the rope.

[wise swallow]

so your more focused on PVE but want something thatll handle PVP if requirred?

[lime quarry]

Yes

But also a pure pvp if I wanna avenge my death

[wise swallow]

Blue striker. same as youd run it in PVE but as many blues as possible

[lime quarry]

And to do conflict for projects

[lime quarry]

Oh nice I’ll try this

For talents?

[wise swallow]

Unbreakable

more PVP focused build
Coyote, metador (or walker backpack with adrush), fenris, picarios (or groupo), ceska, foxes.
all CHC and CHD. Unbreakable chest talent

4 blue

[lime quarry]

Ty Odder, much appreciated. Also I mentioned system corruption earlier. Is that really not viable.

I’ve been grinding for it for along time and then someone said it’s shit hahaha

Was sad to hear it but is what it is

[glossy scarab]

i try to make it work in every pts and it always sucks

[flint wave]

I got system corruption to collect

not to use

[gentle lichen]

Yucky

[woeful tendon]

I’d change out either fenris or ceska for a 2nd pc of Walker Harris for the armor damage. But that’s the basics. But honest striker is strong on dz

[wise swallow]

syst was good in PTS and the week or 2 before the "nerfed" (fixed it)

[gentle lichen]

Back when infinite medkit on it was a thing i would say yes

But not no more

[wise swallow]

walker for fenris sure

ceska absolutely not

[lime quarry]

Ty all

[wise swallow]

I typed this the wrong way around but ik what you mean

[gentle lichen]

Using a 6 blue matador/everyday carrier striker can take on multiple players comfortably

[woeful tendon]

System corrupt is only good if you have a 10 percent pulse res mod so you can be invis to pulse

[wise swallow]

its still insanely niche

at best youll counter a HB player. pulse isnt all that useful in a 3d person game

[woeful tendon]

I’ve tried to do high end build. I always feel inferior compared to the striker build. But being off for so long, my movement is 💩 so if it’s a team I get clapped

[gentle lichen]

Yaahl>syscor when it comes to pulse resist tbh

[wise swallow]

high end is inferior to striker on paper, but alot of people struggle to keep it stacked

[gentle lichen]

Do a highend shotgun

Works real well

[wise swallow]

highend shotgun, high end haz pro headshot all work amazing tho

[woeful tendon]

Anyone on pc and ever wants to run the dz just add me ‘RogueBroly’ I’m usually solo but that doesn’t work well when trying to man hunt 1v14

I def need to look up a good shotty build.

[gentle lichen]

Sounds like an everyday activity for me on dz south stairs

[magic pilot]

Improvised>yaahl

[flint wave]

big if true

[stiff jasper]

Where extra 3 from

[woeful tendon]

It’s actually 1 v 11 but… didn’t know I had to be specific.

[stiff jasper]

3 from shd turret

[magic pilot]

I just deconstructed my Elmo on accident lmao

[lime quarry]

ok so im obv a noob so here is a question

if i have a two guns does it count the crit chance from both for stats or just the one

[glossy scarab]

its just whatever one you're holding

[lime quarry]

ty

[magic pilot]

Throwback

[flint wave]

disrespect build

[glossy scarab]

its like wearing generic off brand shoes to middle school and getting roasted

dont need no damn brands

tweens pay a lot of attention to everyone's shoes for some reason and take it very seriously

[dim cape]

Question:

is 2 pieces Walker & Harris better than Contractor's? (PvP wise)

[solar sable]

Dude, I've been struggling for HOURS to get Wyvern kneepads, lootcifer is getting out of hand.

[versed summit]

last I recall contractor's still wins out

[hexed steppe]

So this is link to a weapon/ skill hybrid i made and tested last night with capacitor. Worked quite well.
#td2-build-advice message

I'll also attach an image of a regular turret/drone afk build I use that has aok and some pfe

Cap great in mortar builds as well

[autumn wren]

Does anyone know how bleed damage calculated? Or other DoTs, like burn?

I'm trying to put together an Ongoing Directive bleed build

[vestal ibex]

Good luck.

[hexed steppe]

Bleed is figured through status effects and amps.
Fire is calculate with skill damage, status effects, amps, dta.
I'm not sure if bleed gets a buff from dta

Dont focus bleed on an OD build. Make your crit as good as possible... the bleed is ok but your real benefit to the team is the 20% amp you give them with ammo generated. If you're more bleed than crit you will be getting carried

[autumn wren]

It's mostly for solo play, so I'm not too worried about the practicality. More just to see how effective I can actually make bleed

Thanks for the advice

[hexed steppe]

You would be better with eclipse protocol then. Stinger hive for bleed and high damage explosions, then a burn chem launcher.
Eclipse will spread your status when an npc dies. Spread is to anything within 15m.
Very good solo and capable of destroying entire rooms as the spawn in

Also has a 30% amp to status npcs when you have the bag. Add vile mask and any status does additional damage.

[autumn wren]

Oh wow, I hadn't looked into that set. That seems like a good setup

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's really dope. I use it as a cc foam+ fire/emp
On higher difficulty or countdown group play.
Setup proper for fire (ep bag + capacitor) you can see burn sticky ticks around 750k.
Burn chem around 500k for ticks.
Both assuming capacitor fully stacked before firing

[wise swallow]

If you can give up the chc

Assuming their already using metador*

[stiff jasper]

Last time I test, bleeding duration time are amplifier, bleed damage addition with status effect

If my memory correct

[shy willow]

ran into a shd 14k on incursion running yellow tp for a healer build wtf

[glossy scarab]

whoa

[vestal ibex]

How'd the run go tho?

[shy willow]

wiped upwards of 5 times on Wright cuz the kiting wasnt it

that and the DPS was constantly going down either cuz they weren't playing properly or the heals were garbo

[glossy scarab]

weak

[shy willow]

oh and the stupid gate strat at the end

I might have to start leading these things when I wanna do them instead man holy

[tulip charm]

xd

[shy willow]

time to practice what I preach and spread the arch strat

[lyric prism]

I finally got into a matchmake that didn't suck. the dude with the Ouro carried my FI healer setup and I just ran around after them putting the hive in places and overcharging when it looked right. We did gate strat. It took a minute but it worked.

the other two dps did chicken heads off but I kept them up most the time except on the tanker bc they were way the f away.

not sure on what other strat there is for the end bosses.

[shy willow]

going down on tanker is yikes

[lyric prism]

they were on the 'right' side and kept getting a couple surrounding them.

so revived one but otherwise it was helterskelter. Scorpio helped.

[shy willow]

theres a one phase for Wright and the only strat for lovebirds is the arch strat

[lyric prism]

ok

for Wright I put the hive in the center of the room but realized at the end that back room might be a better place.

[tulip charm]

one phasing wright is hard because we always do too much damage

😦

[shy willow]

suffering from success

[tulip charm]

1st world problems

[shy willow]

it do be hard not to overdo it tho

[lyric prism]

i swapped to pistol and sledged him and then back to Scorpio. I've since swapped in Lefty for the mmr I carry.

[shy willow]

lefty+scorp is an excellent combo for support

[tulip charm]

yeah

Also try running technican for faraday

Helps alot during love birds

[tawdry flare]

Mean technician vs survivalist is your choice tbh

For lovebirds yeah

[lyric prism]

that crossed my mind while sitting in the gate.

easy make another loadout.

[shy willow]

I personally run surv but tech can be a very nice option with Faraday and the free tier

[tawdry flare]

Gate start are the worst strat

Soul think gate start are the best strat proved

See

[shy willow]

either they kick you into the arena or have the mortar just straight up destroy the tent area

I want it gone gone

[tawdry flare]

Close the tent after starting combat

Btw @vestal ibex how do you generally one phase wright

Does the order matter ?

[shy willow]

I normally go lounge stage bar

[tawdry flare]

Exactly how do you know when to stop

Firing and drag wright around

[vestal ibex]

Doesn't.

[shy willow]

stop when hes got just a bit of armour before phase

[vestal ibex]

You immune him on a new water spot.

[tawdry flare]

Basically keep him near fresh shower

[vestal ibex]

Timing for the water is a thing too

[shy willow]

ye

[tawdry flare]

When he is immune

Pop it rinse repeat also the ads

[shy willow]

yeah the timing is quite delicate

[tawdry flare]

Sometimes they spawn sometimes they doesn't

[digital osprey]

hello everyone i am currently farming the summit for my first capacitor just reached endgame. now my question is what kind of build can i use here? i kinda am looking for a hybrid build. that has some good dps and still has some armor to survive. can people suggest me something to start?

[glossy scarab]

this one is very nice.

or this

[rotund pewter]

What do you guys think? Optimal? I was thinking of trying a Ceska mask instead of Coyote. Also not 100% sure about the weapon, it's not bad but not really what I expected, maybe just need to get full god rolls to get the full potential out of it. Saw a video from a guy on youtube he recommended that vector

[lyric prism]

if you are wanting a shotgun for stacking Strikers, Scorpio is not it. Get an ACS-12/Lefty.

and yes, switch to a Ceska chest.

[rotund pewter]

Ah ok

Wasnt really for staccking

mostly for the talent

[lyric prism]

Strikers is a stacking buff gear type on the 4p bonus.

if Scorpio works for you, continue to use like you have setup and swap to the subgun.

the subgun can also rapidly stack but Hunter's Fury is just better for subgun play.

[rotund pewter]

I was using the vector for stacking and shotgun is kind of my Oh SHit gun, really helps stop heavies in their tracks and gets me out of sticky situations

[lyric prism]

yes it does. it hits like a truck too

[rotund pewter]

Yea I have HF build too, not fully optimized yet but I'm going to finish working on it after Strikers is perfect.

Would a shotgun be better to use on Striker?

Id be open to trying that instead of the vector

[acoustic coral]

Strikers is the defacto easiest build to start hitting big numbers. And you got a clean setup for it.

[lyric prism]

you have a shotgun, its the type of shotrun. Honestly if the Vector works for your stacking and dps play, keep doing it.

the high chc on the Vector offsets the need for chc on gear so your setup is fine.

If you swap to something else though you will need a Ceska chest to maintain the chc at near/above 50'ish. 60% is the game hardcap but Coyotes midbuff is usually appliing for an additional 10%.

given you are still putting points into your SHD watch levels the Ceska may still not be a bad option all around. Watch on max chc points provides 10% chc.

[rotund pewter]

Yea it will once I find a vector, coyote mask and chest with full chc I suppose. Im at 60% right now but I had to use a couple chc mods to get there. I want to be using chd mods. chd is only at 119.

[lyric prism]

yea, get a Ceska.

it should help offset at least both chc mods and allow chd mods without going over cap. on the stat sheet, w/ Coyotes on, aim for above 50%.

if you are low and do some swapping you will probably end up around 52%-54% with the Vector held in hand while looking at your stat sheet. that is a fine level with Coyote on. Coyote doesn't show up in the stat sheet. All builds given by people assume the 'mid' buff of 10% chc/10% chd where most encounters take place at 15m.

[rotund pewter]

Ok because I was thinking of getting rid of the mask but it might be better to just get a Ceska chest instead

[lyric prism]

yes.

even maxed out watch, due to Strikers not having any chc on the set pieces you end up with a Ceska anyway.

check the pins in this channel for the Spreadsheet 2. Builds hub tab on that. Welcome to the next couple hours.

[rotund pewter]

Yea ok

[rotund pewter]

LOL

Might need help finding what you're talkking about

[lyric prism]

in discord, in this channel, look at the top.

[rotund pewter]

Oh nvm

[acoustic coral]

#td2-build-advice message

[lyric prism]

^^ that.

[rotund pewter]

Yea it's cuz there was new pins, I had to open it a second time. It only showed the new pins the first time

[acoustic coral]

Generally: The builds in the sheets > YT builds

YT builds can be fun and good enough, but the sheet builds are tested and proven by the nerds for the nerds.

[lyric prism]

yea, it is the best source for builds. You want more information to munch on go check iKia' videos on YT. You are warned, he likes data.

[rotund pewter]

Yea I watched this guys build on youtube and I did it but I've been changing it cuz some of the things he did didn't really make sense,like using the Striker chest

[lyric prism]

Striker chest is good on encounters you can maintain the high stacks on, like raid encounters with mob closests. otherwise, Obliterate.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, the Evernote links are usually the basics. Once you learn all that you start thinking "ah, okay, so the YT build is kinda okay because of X"

[rotund pewter]

I mean the chest could make sense, But I was testing and it wasn't makingf sense for me

Like 200 stacks on solo is almost impossible lol

[lyric prism]

it makes sense on an LMG build or something (what I use it on for specific needs) but others, yea no. Ceska w/ Obliterate or Grupo w/ Oblit.

[rotund pewter]

Yea exactly

[lyric prism]

it makes sense on something niche like a Striker PFE setup against rogues. in a 4man heroic.

[acoustic coral]

Chest requires 150+ stacks to be worth it over Obliterate

[lyric prism]

so speaking of rogues and niche what is this exotic pistol I keep hearing about for the next season or something?

[glossy scarab]

is there actual news about another exotic pistol in the works? ive only seen ppl wish for an automatic pistol on here

[lyric prism]

ah ok, nothing then, just wishes

just make Mosquito automatic like the 93 its based on.

[acoustic coral]

Wishes, rumours, you name it.

[rotund pewter]

Yea I'll keep the chest anyways because I have god rolls on it, can defintitely use in for things that it makes sense for

[lyric prism]

yea keep it, you will use it.

like on an ND setup it is better than Ceska to balance your stats out once you get higher SHD levels.

and any gear that rolls well should always be kept.

[glossy scarab]

until all your gear is filled up with god rolls already

[rotund pewter]

Where do i find a giude for all the acronyms😂

Still don't know what some of them are

ND?

[hazy steeple]

Feel free to ask, we're happy to answer.

ND is Negotiator's Dilemma, it's a Gearset.

[lyric prism]

FAQ tab in the Speadsheet has many. ND is a gearset....like Rivens got to first.

[rotund pewter]

Oh right ok I though it was like a build type or something

[hazy steeple]

Well it kinda is, since gearset builds in div2 are based around the bonus/buff that they provide, often with an Exotic+high-end piece too.

so for example, ND would be 4pcs of ND+Ceska, and either grupo/coyotes as a basic setup.

[rotund pewter]

Oh yea no I get that just meant like if you had a status effect build for example for might say "SE build" so when I see ND or CC I'm like wtf is that lol

[hazy steeple]

ooh, yeah mostly people just type that out a little longer.
like for example a status based build would be "status" or "crowd control" (if the build is based around that, a lot of them are Damage over Time based, or "DoT").
what gets really confusing is something like BP, which can mean backpack or blueprint.

[glossy scarab]

backpack and blueprint are easily identifiable by the context

[acoustic coral]

To top it all of, Ninjabike Messenger Bag is NBB most often

[hazy steeple]

"so i finally got a bp for my bp"

[glossy scarab]

lol

yeah that makes sense totally

theres only one way around that sentence works

you wouldnt be saying i got a backpack for my blueprint

[hazy steeple]

if you use "for" as the context of "to use with", it works both ways around.
it's like "cc" and the reason why we use chc and chd for crit stats.

[acoustic coral]

What about I cba to do that.
I cannot be arsed
Or
I can be arsed

Or what about bidaily
(Yeah, I know, not even div terms, just reminded me of them)

[hazy steeple]

Take a momento and go farm a memento.

[acoustic coral]

Calling out @lyric prism

[rotund pewter]

ahhh yea ok haha

[pastel shard]

Was making a Haz/Regen Raid Tank build are there any improvements that can be made to this

[lyric prism]

what :p

I can't type that fast on this damn thing. at work :p

[glossy scarab]

are your stealing company time?!

[rotund pewter]

First ever God rolled exotic that I'm never going to use Im very upset rn

[lyric prism]

if I was I'm not sure whatr you mean.

[acoustic coral]

Take a momento

[lyric prism]

ah lol ok

[pastel shard]

same 😂

[rotund pewter]

ffs

[glossy scarab]

its just some places of employment will accuse you of stealing company time if you get caught doing anything other than working

[rotund pewter]

Do I still need to get certain exotics added to the loot pool by doing certain tasks for them?

Like chatterbox for ex

I got LD the other day and I remember years ago you had to do some bs in the open world for that gun to be in your loot pool

[lyric prism]

yea, they could, a lot of places track 'down percent' but this place is like 'just get it done otherwise stay awake'. very nice.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah they actually took out all the "only open world enemies drop it" thing from all the Exotics.

RIP my 50+ runs to get LD.

[rotund pewter]

Fr I spent way to many hours trying to get that thing back in the day

[glossy scarab]

thats the best kinda place to work. if it gets done , ahead of schedule because of me, consistently. and productivity has gone way up, then my bosses have usually looked the other way on stuff like that and let me do whatever

[digital osprey]

seems i have a grind to do but this looks good indeed

[lyric prism]

yep. same here. lesser pay but worth it for my mental wellbeing.

[glossy scarab]

yeah it shouldnt be that hard tho. there are no unicorn pieces there

[rotund pewter]

If you can afford a roof over your head an a gaming PC than as long as you have that mental state is #1 lol

[glossy scarab]

i had a great job that i had to quit because after 4 years of spending 4 hours a day commuting because of rush hour traffic i was losing my mind

[lyric prism]

yea, hear that alot from people in the United States. one day you figure it out or the grind will kill you by the time you do.

[rotund pewter]

That's 1076 more hours you could have had on Div2

[glossy scarab]

god dang

[rotund pewter]

per year

lol

[glossy scarab]

or literally doing anything else other than sitting in my car on the highway not moving

my main highway corridor goes directly into nyc and tons of ppl fom my state commute to nyc for work. its just a bad area for this. great in many other ways tho

the worst part is with no traffic my commute would be 35 min

instead of 2 hours each way

[magic pilot]

I deconstructed my expertise 15 Elmo last night on accident

First time I ever done that

[dusky cradle]

Ok random q, yellow gear has a 3 set, but green is 4, surely it's better to have 2x 3 yellow sets than 1x 4 green + 2 random yellows

[glossy scarab]

nope

[magic pilot]

Depends entirely on the build

Striker and hunters fury are the strongest sets in the game, and both significantly out perform all yellow

[glossy scarab]

not very many brand sets have all 3 brand bonuses that are good

[magic pilot]

I was more of just thinking a high end build but yea

[acoustic coral]

On top of that, the 4pc isn't "just a stat" - it's a bit deeper than that.

[glossy scarab]

yeah the 4 pc talents are on a whole different level, for the good gear sets anyway

[hexed steppe]

Ig you didnt mark as favorite after rolling 3rd stat...
Might have to rename to elmo deconstructor

[rich lotus]

Gunner or Firewall for Striker?

[hexed steppe]

Either

If you play close and with a shield, firewall.
Gunner has aok and rpm increase so also good.

Tech would also make a decent spec

[rich lotus]

Bet thank you

[acoustic coral]

Ouch

[dusky cradle]

Ok I randomly did this Summit thingy on legendary, barely did a thing....but the 2 others were awesome.... Got some exotics too

Ninja bike bag
Capacitor assault rifle
Merciless rifle

[hexed steppe]

Cap good

[acoustic coral]

Ah, so you got 3 exotic components, that's pretty nice!

[hexed steppe]

Rest are components

[lyric prism]

ninjabike is for making builds you want to do weird things with.

Capacitor keep. Merciless turn intro confetti.

[acoustic coral]

(When you have acquired the experience to actually do so)

[lyric prism]

I have ascended that stairway. the guardrails and rubber bumpers help.

[hexed steppe]

No accumulated experience makes ninja viable in builds

[acoustic coral]

Oh, yeah, I just know Astro haven't yet ^^

[dusky cradle]

So the ninja bag is not useful or merciless? But Capacitor is?

[versed summit]

yep

[hexed steppe]

Yeah cap is really good on skill builds

Its an easy 60% skill damage

[versed summit]

it's actually almost good on not skill builds now lol

[lyric prism]

Keep the Ninja. Learn the ways of the Ninja. Do not embarras us with Ninja builds you found on YT. Then, you can begin to know.

[dusky cradle]

Cheers, I was trying to play that Merciless and it's annoying hard to get the cool explosion....that isn't that cool lol

[glossy scarab]

merciless explosions are garbage

[hazy steeple]

It is a lot of fun with Striker, but that's mostly due to Striker.

[lyric prism]

also keep Capacitor. Use Merciless for recalibrating it if the rolls are bad. NOTE: you cannot optimiza the 2nd stat on Capacitor so you need to roll it at max DTA of 12% as well as the 3rd stat you want.

[dusky cradle]

I thought maybe it would be cool with that Patriot 3 flag fireworks explosion....but noob brain realises cool doesn't mean kills n easier gaming

[hexed steppe]

There are a few exo to keep an eye out for.
Elmo, scorpio, btsu gloves, memento bag, vile and coyote masks to name a few. There are also project/raid/incursion exo but they require more than a drop.
Not an all inclusive list

[hazy steeple]

Genuinely: do not waste Exotic Components on reconfiguring them this early on in your div2 time.
It's better to work on farming out more copies, there's more important uses for those components at this stage.

[dusky cradle]

Oh I've only done that library thingy. The Capacitor has +15% AR DMG, +9% DMG to armour, +8% DMG to target out of cover

[lyric prism]

if you learn the Ninja you can have glory like this.

[hazy steeple]

Lol.

[acoustic coral]

I'm gonna be that guy, but what do you use Exotic components for that isn't Reconfiguring or Expertise?

[hexed steppe]

shields eyes

[glossy scarab]

this took me 3 tries. so lucky. im just waiting for a fix to let us optimize the dta attribute

[hazy steeple]

I never said don't use it for Expertise.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but if you're early in the game... you don't have expertise levels?
So reconfiguring will be better

[versed summit]

Early in your div time you don’t need exo components to expertise tho

[hazy steeple]

Early on in your div2 time it's best to build up a good stock of them for when you eventually get something like the Ouro/Regulus and need to reconfigure it

[versed summit]

Stock is good

[dusky cradle]

Ok that Ninja bag doesn't work on high end sets??? Darn it

[glossy scarab]

huh

[lyric prism]

yes it does.

equip 1 piece and that, look at the brand piece, you will have two tiers of the brand.

[hazy steeple]

It physically works, but it doesn't "work" as-in it's almost always a terrible idea.

[lyric prism]

GLORY.

[hazy steeple]

I wish they'd either re-work it or just put the words "newb trap" in the name.

[glossy scarab]

it shoulda not been a backpack, but then it might have been too powerful

[dusky cradle]

Stupid noob me I didn't have ninja bag equip

[lyric prism]

it does have uses in niche builds to eek out some more dps here and there - HF/Sokolov comes to mind - but by and large yes, don't use Ninja unless you are building for a reason.

[hexed steppe]

Worked the same way in div1

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, you're not dumb the piece is just misleading.

Making it a mask would help with balance a little, but still be kinda OP and only really help with DPS setups.

[lyric prism]

I think the choice of a backpack was a good idea. it makes you choose - talent or pieces. any other piece and it would be the most OP piece of gear,

[hexed steppe]

Look at it this way... it's a great component... if it was any other piece it would overtake builds permanently

Kinda like ninja bike knee + bullet king = god tier exo combo

[hazy steeple]

I think the spirit of Azur just posessed 'deck there for a second.

[hexed steppe]

I havent started in on focus yet, so all good

[onyx sage]

did i hear

[hexed steppe]

No, shush

[onyx sage]

that's what i thought

[dusky cradle]

So if I want to use this Capacitor I should be looking at a more skill type build, is there a way to increase its ammo as 40 seems meh. Also is best to go offensive or support based skills with it

[acoustic coral]

Agreed, if it was a holster or something, my god.
It has its place, but as we know - it's the noob trap, because of how damage is calculated in this game. It takes some pretty specific setups and knowledge to make it work vs other things.
I played around with the thought of getting 4p and 3p from two sets with NBB, but then you lose attributes - and most gear sets like if you have the backpack.

I guess you could do something scuffed like Ninjabike Messenger Bag, Chainkiller, 2x Hotshot, 2x Aces - which would still work, but you lose out on Vigi

And tbh the only reason it would work is because of chainkiller anyways lol

[solar sable]

Take a look at these 👇
#td2-build-advice message

gLaD helped me thru two skill builds

[hybrid shadow]

using ninja pack would limit a headhunter builds’ max possible damage by about 20%. for vigilance.

[onyx sage]

25%

[hybrid shadow]

that’s fine for lower difficulties where the damage is overkill anyways. and probably very fun to use.

[onyx sage]

it's usually the only twd source you get so it is 25%

[acoustic coral]

which would still work, but you lose out on Vigi

[hybrid shadow]

yes. and the resulting damage is pretty much not enough for a 4 player heroic.

[onyx sage]

ninjabike hh would probably have to use m870 a lot more than normal just for the higher base

[hybrid shadow]

and that for many players meant “not working”.

[acoustic coral]

It was just an example of how you could use the NBB for 4p + 3p Gear set (which, in this instance is just 3p + 3p cuz need HH). Had an another idea a while back, but cannot recall the specifics. Think it was Striker 4p + HF 3p but eh.

Again, I don't know what you're arguing with me for (or pointing out) cuz I said "scuffed" and "would work".
And take your "many players" and shove it up somewhere, lmao, I know so many people who doesn't play matchmaking aswell

[hybrid shadow]

…i’m not arguing. i’m sorry if i sounded like objecting you.

[acoustic coral]

fair enough ^^

[versed summit]

i saw Tux posted a NBB build that used Habs, 3PC aces, and 1 pc hotshot, and used the SVD. It seems like it would work fairly well, because WD affects your cap HH cap significantly. Not sure how it compares to a vigilance HH setup

I'm sure it struggles on the first shot though

[onyx sage]

(2.3 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.3) × 1 = 2.95 wd for ninjabike above, and (2.3 + 0.3 + 0.2) × 1.25 = 3.5 wd for 3 hotshot 2 habs + flex and vigi.

2.95 vs 3.5.

around 19% difference in "effective" weapon damage

[hybrid shadow]

thank you.

[onyx sage]

of course, whether one decides that 19% is worth losing vigi uptime is up to them. there are ways to circumvent it but they could just decide it's not worth the effort.

i do have to say the habs buff is pretty sizeable already but that means the vigi setup is even better

[hybrid shadow]

speaking of svd, i’d really hope they make Aces compatible with semi rifles.

some semi auto snipers handle quite similar to slower firing rifles (damage wise)

[patent elm]

Imo the only ways to make ninja back somewhat viable are either running 4-5 different brands such that you maximize the upside from the talent. The issue is that there are not enough brands with useful 1 and 2 piece Boni that work together in a build. Closest is probably some hazpro setup for a backfire.

Or to enable to get otherwise impossible stats like rof from strikers or idk pulse res from yhaal

[glossy scarab]

i just threw this together and even tho theres 61 rounds in the capacitor it still crits for 496k and the harmony for over 800k. turret dmg isnt the best at 180k but it the weapon damage should make that not matter much

55% chc. 111% chd

[hybrid shadow]

nuts.

[glossy scarab]

im bout to bring it out into the open world and see if i can conquer a CP without it taking forever

[hybrid shadow]

how bout switching the 3pc brazos for something else? would mag size matter very much?

[glossy scarab]

i am going to but the piees i need are on another character and i havent retrieved them yet

[hybrid shadow]

i see

[glossy scarab]

im gonna try a hana u mask

[hybrid shadow]

agreed.

[glossy scarab]

although a 61 round capacitor that still hits pretty hard feels very good. one mag a heroic named elite in the range

[hybrid shadow]

i’m also thinking about providence defense, if we’re relying on the capacitor. can save some talent slots for crit dmg.

true.

[waxen grotto]

anyone know a build that makes yo allies get hella lot more dmg?

[glossy scarab]

future initiative

[waxen grotto]

ok

[hexed steppe]

Seems like anywhere one would slot in ninja would be better suited to just add memento instead.
Granted you gotta stack memento...
Like on the HH builds you start off similar damage but with stacks memento adds another 2-4 red cores from the long and short buff depending on core count... plus all the skill stuff and regen... I kinda dont ever see a use for ninja when looking at it like that

No brand bonuses really compares to that

[acoustic coral]

Hard to argue with that.
It would be busted as a mask/holster/gloves.
Backpack wise I think it should have a small subset of extra talents, but just like some talents have perfect versions, nbb should have lesser versions

[rocky rain]

What’s a good gear setup to complete the seasonal challenges that focus on skills (ie weak points targeting)? I’m using Hard Wired but any other suggestions?

[hybrid wraith]

is there a levelling build around here or links for it?

[hexed steppe]

For weak points you'll have better success with dps setup. Using capacitor with skill build will give is a small bit of dps and that may help.
In general a solid highend mortar build can get you through a lot and will be a lot higher damage than hardwire.

[magic pilot]

Apparently lol, I rerolled it months ago

[hazy steeple]

@hybrid wraith If you mean 1-30 or 31-40 as "levelling", you can't really make any kind of build because you are going to outpace things faster than you can realistically farm them out.
the tl;dr for levelling is usually "mostly red cores, a couple of blues, and have options for multiple ranges".

[hexed steppe]

You probably already have another. Dedicated farmer and all 🍻

[hexed steppe]

If it's for shd use striker or headhunter/sniper build. Both have build guides in the pinned spreadsheet attached to this channel

[bright hedge]

Comparing healer builds, wanted some input.

Both use Survivalist, Dr Home, and Designsted Hitter.

One is 4 Future (including Chest and Back), with BTSU gloves and 1 Alps.

The other is 3 Future (including chest), Ninjabike back, and 2 Cavalier (which Ninjabike bumps to 3 piece +40% bonus).

[jagged hare]

Hey apologies if this is the wrong channel. A bit of noob question here. I'm just getting started. I'm familiar with the game in the sense that I finished D1. First thing I noticed though is there is no Weapon/Toughness/Skill score or doesn't seem to be. Is there an equivalent? Or is it just BiS?

[forest ibex]

in Division 2 theres Core Attributes, Red = Weapon Damage, Blue = Armor, and Yewllow = Skill Tiar, which effects a skills stats

you can usually only have 6 of any primary core, in the main attribute screen, although there are certainw ays to get above the limit, usually by exotics.

the ones on the LEft are Cores attributes, while the ones on the Right are Secondary Attributes. the ones on the left you can usually only have 6 of any combo, unless you have means such as exotics, or other wise

[jagged hare]

Cool. Thanks. I did pick up that there seems to be bonuses for same-brand gear. Is that actually relevant in the early-mid game (or at all), or just a bonus it happens

[forest ibex]

refering to these?

[jagged hare]

Yeah. There are sets?

[forest ibex]

they are like Gear sets from both Division 1 and 2, the more of the pieces (up to 3 pieces a set) you have on from the same set, the more bonuses you unlock. you can mix both Gear Set and brand set, bonuses, Brand Sets typically grant specific bonuses and have no overarching set effect like gear sets have with unique talents, their purely for stat enhancements

[jagged hare]

Thanks for the help

[forest ibex]

o7 Agent

Youre Welcome

[modern heron]

Is the gift backpack a must have if im trying for a sniper build?

[tulip charm]

No The Gift is a flex item

[modern heron]

Because i cant get it anywhere lol

[tulip charm]

Imo Aldrali(or whatever its spelled) bag is better

[modern heron]

Kk should i try and get vigilance on it aswell?

[wise swallow]

gift is only lower downtime

1s realistically is basically nothing, I only use it cuz im using prov anyways

[modern heron]

Ahhhhhh Because im going insane trying to get it so for my sanity im gonna try and get another backpack

[acoustic coral]

Same, and I want to get the build that's in the guide from Raucey. That's what my slight OCD dictates

Was just big sad when I recalibrated my first gift a bit too fast and accidentally chose the wrong attribute to reroll (I had CHC and WH, accidentally rolled WH to HS).
So now I have a Gift with CHC + CHD and a Gift with WH + HS

[acoustic coral]

The Gift is DZ / Named cache only

[acoustic coral]

The scores: The somewhat existed back in the base game, but it's not really what you're thinking of.
I wouldn't say we really have an equivalent in Div2.
While leveling from 1-40, seriously, use whatever floats your boat. Most efficient leveling is going for mostly red cores with a little mix of blue, but if you wanna mess around with skills while leveling, go for some yellow cores.
Brand sets doesn't really matter while levelling, as you're gonna be getting new stuff all the time from higher levels.
At level 40 however, Brand Sets and Gear Sets matter. If you look at the pinned messages in this channel there will be a link to a google sheets. It has a good FAQ and tons of build guides. Pick one (when level 40) and go for it. Then have fun.

[jagged hare]

Awesome! Thanks!

[acoustic coral]

Why I just send you to the Sheet for lvl 40? Because what sounds good on paper for someone not experienced in how damage is calculated in the division usually doesn't work in practice.
I've learned much more from playing with an established build than I did before hand.

[waxen grotto]

anyone got a tanky build like one that has loads of shield or health

[acoustic coral]

I guess you could run Hunter's Fury with Blue Cores and memento

[strange wigeon]

can you get the chill out mask without the event ? Legacy caches ? Season Caches ?

[acoustic coral]

Winter only afaik

[magic pilot]

I deleted the expertise 15 one deleting the other one I had😂

I marked them both as junk

[pastel shard]

what shotgun do people usually use for shotgun nego on fieser

I assume the m870 but idk if that is the one

[pastel shard]

what for

[pastel shard]

I think u can extremely rarely get them as a named item reward from leg mission but idk what the odds are or if that was a bug

[acoustic coral]

Twas a bug from what I saw earlier (think localdeck mentioned it)

[pastel shard]

ik when i was lookin on reddit there was a bug which meant people could get it from countdown (now fixed) but couldnt find anythin about other missions

[formal linden]

Which of the 2 sets would you guys suggest?

[acoustic coral]

neither

[formal linden]

I am a new player so this is kinda the first gear i could amass any sugestion to focus on some exotic or smth?

But mostly asking for the armor now since this is all i have for now 😛

[acoustic coral]

That's a serious answer, not sarcastic.
Neither is good.

#td2-build-advice message

Got to spreadsheet -> Read FAQ -> Look at build page, go to striker¨s

1st picture: You want a Ceska obliterate chest, striker mask - could keep the rest, don't use that exotic AR
2nd picture: Striker holster, ceska obliterate chest - same goes for weapons

[solar sable]

Oh shi! Free exotic component!!

[tight trench]

i havent played for 2 years- whats the optimal dps build atm - im seeing alot of striker builds being used

[acoustic coral]

Bingo

[formal linden]

kay cool thanks what i was looking for 😛

[solar sable]

yeah, striker or a HE red build

[acoustic coral]

[formal linden]

other than that those 2 builds are all the items i could get with which set should i go until i farm the required items. which one would be stronger?

[solar sable]

Just farm with targeted loot in CD and then you can focus on certain builds

[acoustic coral]

1st picture, Dodge City Holster does you no good with striker.

(But for gods sake keep it, it's good for other builds)

[solar sable]

[gentle lichen]

The dodge city is something i would see in a raid prolly

[formal linden]

alright i saw you can use it to one tap weak spots on big bosses

[formal linden]

playing for 1 day on the expansion will go check that out

[gentle lichen]

Didn't mean it like that i just meant a striker for raid but dodge city to quickly dispatch damage like on boomer or something

Don't even raid that much to actually verify the capability

[tight trench]

striker feeling smooth

must of been buffed

i still got my godrolled red build but striker does 1.8m with elmos 🤦‍♂️

[tulip charm]

Damn you over crit like a madman.

[magic pilot]

Extra handling go crazy

[tulip charm]

Two different build that serves to different purposes at the end of the day.

[solar sable]

Lootcifer heard me crying all night and decided to just drop Wyvern kneepads

[spark lichen]

My builds have never been anywhere close to what other people have and its because of one thing. Optimization. Specifically shd cal. I am struggling to get shd cal i need it constantly and it takes me about a week just to optimize something once. How can i get it faster

[versed summit]

Can get a decent amount from Countdown.

[spark lichen]

I can?

What drops it?

[celest hearth]

Idk why but I built this build

[tulip charm]

Hey if you’re having fun then thats all it matters

[celest hearth]

Uhhh about that

My acc is suspended until April 25th sooooo

[tulip charm]

……

[celest hearth]

😂 they killed me wile I was 1v1ing I had a reason

[spark lichen]

How

[tulip charm]

Yeah maybe dont use a mic

[celest hearth]

oh no it was in messages

[tulip charm]

Even worse

[spark lichen]

Chop em off

[celest hearth]

I sent a long paragraph so

👀 prob why

[spark lichen]

So ive been given the information that you can get shd cal from countdown. I need to know how

[celest hearth]

Idk loom on yt

Look*

[shy willow]

Hunters and chest

Idk actually about hunters but chest for sure

[solar sable]

SHD chests, and sometimes Hunters, not always

[split lagoon]

Foundry Bulwark, Heartbreaker, True Patriot, Cavalier, System Corruption, and Aegis. Which of these gear sets are good for tank builds?

[shy willow]

It depends what exactly you want it for

Infact even stuff like OD and Future Initiative can work with blue cores

[split lagoon]

Like OD or Future Initiative with an exotic and high end blue core like the Hasburg Guard and Sawyer's Kneepads?

[shy willow]

Blue OD courtesy of dien

I use it for countdown

[split lagoon]

oh

[shy willow]

I use Lavoisier instead of setup tho

I don't personally use blue FI but iirc doctor home kits are pretty busted on it

[manic geyser]

Hey guys and builds for a dps that's abit tanky?

[shy willow]

Blue striker

Or any DPS build with a momento slapped on

[fresh grove]

Heartbreaker

[manic geyser]

Copy that tank you

[fresh grove]

Np

[boreal smelt]

making an umbra bullet king, should I go for backpack and chest or is there a better option

[acoustic coral]

Take a momento to farm memento

[delicate rivet]

Hi everyone where can I find one shot sniper build

[hexed steppe]

Look in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[delicate rivet]

Sry where is it

[hexed steppe]

It's generally gonna be 4pc hotshot , chain killer named chest, airaldi vigilance bag.
Headshot and handling every
With
m700 variant
Sr-1
White death
And determined talent

If you look above this text or right menu if mobile there should be a pushpin icon

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[delicate rivet]

Thank you so much

[pastel shard]

if my hive does 388k healing would safeguard bring it up to 776k?

[magic pilot]

No its 100% repair skills, additive with whatever else you already have

[pastel shard]

ah

[mossy flame]

Any advice on improving my current build? Returning player, don't really know the current metas

[pastel shard]

swap specialisation, make sure ur at 60% chc then build chd

[acoustic coral]

Gunner spec
Ceska chest instead of Grupo, talent obliterate.
Work on getting CHD and CHD rolls on everything, have fun.
Unsure about weapon talents,

[magic pilot]

Farm for a better grupo chest and reroll your striker pieces to chd, change mods on gun to crit chance

[warm socket]

Should i get some better fox’s prayers for My pvp Build?

[pastel shard]

swap the hsd for chc or chd imo

[spare fox]

Looking for a good dps and pvp build

[pastel shard]

check the googlesheet pinned

[warm socket]

Where

[warm socket]

Ty

[spare fox]

?

[pastel shard]

this

[spare fox]

Anyone know of a good dps and pvp build?

[warm socket]

Oh Sorry

[spare fox]

U good

[wise swallow]

if its not a HSD build yea

try to get CHC or CHD

[wise swallow]

DPS, check spreadsheet.
PVP
Coyote, metador (or walker backpack with adrush), fenris, picarios (or groupo), ceska, foxes.
all CHC and CHD. Unbreakable chest talent
4 blue

pretty basic build thatll be good for most things PVP

[warm socket]

So i need to make a new pvp Build?

[wise swallow]

what

no?

[warm socket]

Im confused

[wise swallow]

Just farm for a better foxes prayer with CHC and CHD

[pastel shard]

i replied to u saying swap the hsd to chc or chd n replied to the othre guy to check the pinned sheet

[warm socket]

Ooh okay i understand now🙏🏻

[hexed steppe]

Foxs with chc and chd

[warm socket]

Ight

[wise swallow]

yea make it happen 3rd attribute

pretty shrimple

[hexed steppe]

Next level build theory 🤯

[warm socket]

Just countdown?

[wise swallow]

Wherever you want

[warm socket]

Ight

[pastel shard]

countdown easiest tho ig

[warm socket]

True

[wise swallow]

do countdown whence your bored of countdown switch to summit when your bored of summit do projects for named caches then just open world farm

[warm socket]

The summit on normal or Challenge?

[wise swallow]

heroic

[warm socket]

Oh okay, ehhh, yeah

[modern heron]

Question is 30mill good on a 1shot build i haven't got every bit of gear perfectly rolled but can it still 1shot most enemies?

[pastel shard]

that seems pretty good it should be enough for heroics

[modern heron]

Sweet

[pastel shard]

would someone be able to explain what this build is

[urban latch]

a mess

[pastel shard]

thats what i thought aswell 😂

[onyx sage]

A for effort

[pastel shard]

And its not my build btw 💀

[hazy steeple]

I'm willing to bet that's the first time someone's shown a build with Claw's Out in at least a month, possibly longer.

[pastel shard]

why would people even use that?
only thing i could imagine is someone trying to melee kill stuff during the shd event

[onyx sage]

if not for the melee it's for the pistol damage

[hazy steeple]

Sweet Dreams says "hi, my only purpose is GE challenges"

[pastel shard]

couldnt u jus get the 9% from elsewhere tho

[hazy steeple]

Or just use the best pistol that's not an Exotic or Kard: Mozam.

[onyx sage]

if you already have d&h, no

not that it's worth it to go for it, but it's the only other source of pistol weapon damage besides d&h

[pastel shard]

ah

[onyx sage]

but most just run dodge city in that slot anyway

[hazy steeple]

Wait a tick, why on Earth does Lengmo have +30% LMG dmg?

[pastel shard]

got buffed

isnt that why people r using a bunch of lmgs now?

[onyx sage]

no, they use lmgs cuz they themselves are buffed, not for lengmo lol

[hazy steeple]

No no I get that, I'm asking why on earth you'd give it to it in the first place
the first 2 brandsets with most red DPS setups on it aren't exactly amazing, and since it's not actually 30% that seems like a lot of effort to get.

[onyx sage]

i can see it being used for pesti tick builds but that's it

[hazy steeple]

It's like if 5.11 was given +20% AR.

[shy willow]

Yeah lengmo don't make much sense

[gusty ravine]

Hey guys haven't played in a bit I'm looking for the latest builds that are good for pve

[shy willow]

Strikers is still on top for most stuff

Check out the pinned spreadsheet for options and details

[rocky rain]

Strikers is insane!!!

[onyx sage]

🤯

[magic pilot]

Technically lengmo is meta for high end lmg setups now

Same for electrique in pvp for smg, it will out dmg the old meta smg

Electrique is 30% smg dmg and has shock resistance

[hazy steeple]

Question about your use of "meta" here.
namely: wat.

[glossy scarab]

its def really really good for pestilence

[magic pilot]

In what aspect of what I said?

[hazy steeple]

Having to use 3 pieces of a brandset where 2 of them do nothing to help with a red DPS setup doesn't exactly seem super "meta".
Talking about PvE of course, unless you mean it's the meta only for PvP.

[wise swallow]

this is NBP's time ti shine

[magic pilot]

The 30% is big enough to where it makes up for the loss of the first 2

Effectively running 3 1 pc sokolov

[hazy steeple]

You remember that it's not actually 30%, right?

[magic pilot]

I'm aware

It's still stronger lol

[pastel shard]

does skill health affect shield health?

[hazy steeple]

I'm not math-y enough to work it out from that, but that seems to be missing some details.

[hazy steeple]

You can't use an LMG and a shield together, if that's what you're asking.

[magic pilot]

Such as?

[pastel shard]

no it wasnt todo with lmgs

[hazy steeple]

Builds for both, and where they were tested.

[hazy steeple]

It should count, but the best way to get extra tank for your shield is blue or yellow cores.
Memento is a good one there since it gives you one of each.

[pastel shard]

and incoming repairs doesnt affect the artificer healing ur shield right

[magic pilot]

Before counting buffs from companion this is stronger btw

Ideally you'd want electrique bp and coyotes mask. Which would make this even stronger than standard meta smg

[spark lichen]

Can i still get oroburos if i already opened the chest this week?

[magic pilot]

From the last 3 bosses yes

1% drop chance

[spark lichen]

So is it even worth trying to get

[hazy steeple]

99% chance to not get it from them, so like, don't expect to get it and just play the Incursion more for fun.

[modern heron]

Question what would be recommended for a secondary weapon in a 1shot build?

[pastel shard]

shotguns r nice cause hh affects each shotgun pellet iirc

[magic pilot]

Depends how bad you want it lol

Get a good team together and run it in 15 min over and over

[spark lichen]

Well i collect exotics ion even know what it does i just want to add it to my collection

[pastel shard]

💀

[magic pilot]

It's the best gun in the game for dps rn

I have a few friends who got it on their first or second run

[spark lichen]

Is it better then elmo?

[magic pilot]

By far

[spark lichen]

Whats it do

[magic pilot]

The talent is useless

[spark lichen]

Or is it just because of pure damage and rpm

I want it really bad bc i have like 5 chameleons but and pestilence but some exotics i dont even have one of, do different exotics have different drop rates out of caches? I keep getting the same 3

[magic pilot]

No all the same

Just rng

[modern heron]

How good is the ravenous?

[magic pilot]

It only drops in the incursion though

[magic pilot]

Only really used for speedruns and some tanks in the raid

[spark lichen]

Yeah i ran it my first time and the strat we used was just kill everything and move slowly. It ended up taking longer when i did the “strategic way” of doing it bc we kept failing

[magic pilot]

Dm me

[onyx sage]

yes

[spark lichen]

Also whats the go to talents for strikers build

[magic pilot]

I'll run it with you tn

We can set this up for you

[hexed steppe]

Repair skills will, incoming repairs wont.
Memento is great for running shield. The 30% skill efficiency is skill health and repair skills along with all other skill buckets 😎

[urban latch]

I can help out as well

[hazy steeple]

Obliterate on the chest, Strained on the AR is nice. Optimist is alright. Some like Fast Hands but I don't care for it on a Striker but ymmv.
shotgun is nice with Fast Hands.

[pastel shard]

ye ik memento is great but i wanted to run sawyers with what i was building

[hexed steppe]

What are you building? Sawyers is kinda meh if you move around at all

[spark lichen]

Im using st elmos so thats my talent, what for the backpack?

[solar sable]

the one that striker has

[spark lichen]

Im an idiot

[solar sable]

Risk Management

[spark lichen]

So i just made my own build and i need to know if it is at all effective

[tulip charm]

just drop a pic

[solar sable]

yup

[hazy steeple]

Striker backpack is usually the way to go, yeah.
assuming that you are running the Incursion or similar enemies, put the Striker chest on and swap out the holster or knees or gloves with a Ceska piece.

[spark lichen]

The rolls need work but this is the baseline

[hazy steeple]

one pic of the main page, one of the stats where crit is visible if you can.

[solar sable]

even if the rolls aren't maxed it'll work fine

hmm, idk about memento

[spark lichen]

Its ninjabike

[tulip charm]

not the ninja

😭

[solar sable]

ohh right, the newbie trap

[hazy steeple]

remember Agents, 🧩 means evil.

[pastel shard]

leave the bike alone

[spark lichen]

Its so i can get the 2 piece hanu u and 3 piece emi

I dont usually make builds so this is what happens when i do😭

[hazy steeple]

Ninja's don't need bikes, they move with the wind.
leave some space on the bike path for the rest of us.

[pastel shard]

u could swap another core out for armor or dps

[glossy scarab]

yea there is an extra skill tier being wasted

[spark lichen]

Ive been told ninjabike is bad but like im going to use it

[pastel shard]

I dont use it in many builds but its got its places

[tulip charm]

Well its better to find out

[solar sable]

have fun dancing with the devil

[pastel shard]

I only have it for 2 builds, my hh build n my idk wtf it is build

[spark lichen]

Ok so i also have this one

[hazy steeple]

Just to make sure: this is mostly a joke. The piece is kinda "bad" overall, but no one is actually calling you bad for using it.

[pastel shard]

can someone figure out what i was tryna do here?

[spark lichen]

Yeah i know, you should have seen when i made a joke about using a build in an incursion, it was a system corruption

[hazy steeple]

I once used a backfire setup in a DH.
that went down like a lead balloon, even though I actually wasn't that bad with it.

[fresh grove]

I have system corruption, still trying to find the knees and a maxed out pulse resist mod though

[spark lichen]

So how is that build (ive also swapped between dark winter and cold relations)

[tulip charm]

your pic?

[spark lichen]

Yuh

[spark lichen]

^

[tulip charm]

its not bad

[spark lichen]

I dont know if i should stay with dark winter or use cold relations

[tulip charm]

well oreo is way better than those 2

[spark lichen]

Tf is oreo

[tulip charm]

oh you dont have it

[hazy steeple]

It's like a rip-off of Hydrox.

[spark lichen]

Dont know what that is either

Ive never heard of either of them

[tulip charm]

ngl I feel that build will do better with HF

[spark lichen]

Is oreo short for oruborus

[tulip charm]

Basically

[hazy steeple]

I make an actual hydrox joke in 2024 and people don't get it.

[spark lichen]

Well i dont know what it is lmao

[solar sable]

I'll join u with this lol

[spark lichen]

I also have an hf build with chatterbox and memento

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr it's the biscuit that Oreo is based off, which is weird but

aaaanyway, As one of approximately 2 fans of the Dark Winter on this server, I vote for that.

[glossy scarab]

by the name you might think hydrox is a laundry detergent or something

[spark lichen]

Thought it was a drug

[fresh grove]

Same

[glossy scarab]

lol

[hazy steeple]

No lie, they are pretty good.

[hazy steeple]

That probably contributed to the rise of Oreo.

[spark lichen]

Might be a secret ingredient

[fresh grove]

I searched up what they were and they’re basically a copy of the oreo we all know

[spark lichen]

What backpack should i use for hunters fury

[tulip charm]

Your backpack the bloodsucker

[spark lichen]

How do i put this

Tf is that

[tulip charm]

This same backpack

[hazy steeple]

the detergent was 4 years prior.
yep it's weird.

[fresh grove]

That does sound weird

[hexed steppe]

Now they just need to bring crystal Pepsi back to wash them down

[hazy steeple]

Okay that one is before my time. I only know hydrox because I lost a bet once.

[hexed steppe]

👴we had all the good shit back then

[modern heron]

Is the chatterbox a good gun for a skill build?

[tulip charm]

Not really

[hexed steppe]

Good for oxi build

[modern heron]

What would u recommend?

[tulip charm]

Capacitor

[hazy steeple]

oooh okay i googled it, not before just not here.
Capacitor is great.

[modern heron]

Sweet thx ill see if i can get 1 after. Also whats a good tank build?

[hazy steeple]

Where are you trying to tank?

[dire hearth]

I have been having fun with aegis

[modern heron]

Just in general like a good all round setup

[hexed steppe]

Tank setups kinda keep you from doing any damage.

Dps setup with some blue cores and shield more effective

But plain tank setups just mean you die slower

[modern heron]

Iv been hearing that the flamethrower spec is a good 1 to use aswell. I dont mind on the damage part just want to take agro and keep peaple from being shot at lol plus iv never done a tank build before

[magic pilot]

Sounds good

[hazy steeple]

what 'deck said, the easiest one to make is probably a Hunters Fury setup.
4xHF, ceska-ish chest, memento backpack.
change 1 piece of the HF to blue (or just keep it as red), have the rest+gold as red, boom. Angry tank.

[dire hearth]

here is my aegis build

haz protec on gear pieces

protection from elites as mods

[hexed steppe]

You wont grab aggro unless you're doing a lot of damage. The mechanic doesnt work proper that in d2

[modern heron]

Ahhhhhhhhh

[dire hearth]

or the new exotic

[hazy steeple]

Unless you are just playing solo, because then every enemy in your postcode wants to shiv you.

[fresh grove]

Should switch aegis over for foundry and the chestpiece to pointman for vanguard

[modern heron]

I just want 1 of every build iv got 4 dps setups and i wanna start makeing a skill and tank 1 so i can change if needed

[hexed steppe]

So like hf suggested above ar maybe heartbreaker both have some tanking abilities but remain dps. Hunters fury gives armor on kill, heartbreaker builds bonus armor stacks as it builds its damage stacks

[dire hearth]

I have a pointman one aswell

works wonders

I have this soft spot for the tardigrade

[fresh grove]

👌🏻

[dire hearth]

I cant explain why

[hazy steeple]

Best use I've ever made for the Tardigrade was in a DH where 3 people had Coyotes already, so I swapped my red dps setup around to have it on and ended up clutching a few saves.

[dire hearth]

I just remembered I have to wait untill christmas time to get chill out

[hazy steeple]

Guess you have to chill out until then.

[dire hearth]

nice one

[solar sable]

rivens has a good sense of humour

[dire hearth]

dont mind the punch drunk (I need either the hollow man or the chill out)

[spark lichen]

Why cant i craft ceska?

[magic pilot]

Not a blueprint for chest

[stoic tendon]

can someone reccomend me a skill build, i mostly play solo and would like to do legendary solo too, there are way too many differente variations when it comes to skill build so im trying to look for a more "meta" one that focuses on skills itsel,f hybrids are okay too :)

[patent fossil]

turret drone build in the pinned spreadsheet is the usual one for most content, it's slow (compared to a DPS build) but easy to use.

[onyx sage]

just know that skill builds aren't meta themselves

[hexed steppe]

Look up explosive mortar build in the spreadsheet pinned to this channel

[frail marlin]

I love playing healer and have a maxed out build for it. Is a healer required for the incursion ?

[urban latch]

It's not technically required, but most groups will run a healer on the last two fights

[frail marlin]

Ok thx so I won’t be very encouraged to run healer the whole way