td2-build-advice

[maiden epoch]

Thanks, so i dont see any Striker Chest in pvp. I guess it is because it would take to long to stack it right?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh I don't PvP much but in dz it is viable you can stack on some NPCs while conflict ahh idk

[ancient dune]

You need 150 stacks or so to outdamage an obliterate chest

If you need to stack in combat you need to stack an additional 50 stacks to do the same damage as the obliterate build at 100 stacks

[maiden epoch]

Then Ceska or Grupo also beats Sokolov right ?

[ancient dune]

That depends on how many red cores you're running

If you're running a full blue build like most PvP players Sokolov should be better

[maiden epoch]

Intresting, at the moment only 2.

[ancient dune]

Sokolov is probably better

[warm shard]

okay so i just did a countdown. and im over here landing hits of 2.7 mill when my build normally puts out around 600k - 700k per hit with ouroboros and strikers plus coyotes. i gotta know what this support build is thats doing this much damage???

[hazy steeple]

Countdown buffs mess with builds a fair bit, it's why builds aren't recommended to be tested on CD.

[tawdry flare]

Countdown buff close range

[warm shard]

oof i was really hoping it was some kind of support build

[tawdry flare]

One of the reason why youtuber shows build in Countdown

[hazy steeple]

That or "heroic build" and it's just on Normal.

or the ever popular "slays Legendary" and there's no White Tusk around.

[tawdry flare]

You forgot one man army builds

[warm shard]

lmfao i never even thought about that

if it were a snake lmao

[maiden epoch]

Is Shield Splinter still the best Yellow AR in the game DPS wise ?

[ancient dune]

only if you're running a lot of blue cores

[tawdry flare]

Depends on blue cores else go strained

For PvE

[maiden epoch]

And pvp ?

[ancient dune]

same deal

[tawdry flare]

Well since PvP meta is blue cores shield splinter tends to be better

[whole sable]

is foundry bulwark good for tank build with sawyer's kneepads to stop the player being stunned by explosives?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah the Close Range countermeasure in countdown doesn't boost damage by 25% but more like 3-4x for some reason. Not sure if it does it purely on its own or if it is an interaction with something else. But I know it is that countermeasure, as you can be guaranteed insane dmg when it is there

[tawdry flare]

Ahh it is not that there is also stacking of spec bonus i.e someone running demo firewall survivalist headshot bonus

[acoustic coral]

Run countdown and notice the damage from the close range bonus.
It might be an odd interaction with another buff, but whenever I play countdown with a striker build, if I suddenly go from 1M crits to 4M crits, the countermeasure is on 100% of the time

[tawdry flare]

Reread what I said other buffs also stack on top of it

Today is my day for solo challenging cd ig

[acoustic coral]

What are we discussing again? You need 14 different 10% amps to go from 1.1M crits to 4M crits.
Considering how this big damage increase only happens when Close Range is Activated and that I don't get close to 2M from any other combined buffs in Countdown, it's a weird interaction with that one.

[tawdry flare]

As a single buff even close range won't give that much

It is the stacking and multiplication of buffs also striker shield and catching spawns in cd

Btw tried challenging cd solo delta in 1 min

[brisk barn]

Close range is a 50% increase to your damage calculated at the very end, it’s an overall 100% damage increase with crits and with FI and full strikers you are hitting almost 3.5m per headshot compared to the normal 1.5m

[acoustic coral]

You're missing the point - I know it shouldn't give you that much, but it is broken so it does. You're free to go test it.
The only time I hit insane numbers that isn't "small buffs from other things" is with close range.
With a 1.1M hit, closer range should only get you to 1.375M
Close Range is 25%

[brisk barn]

Is it 25?

[acoustic coral]

Yes.

[brisk barn]

Well you’re still hitting crits for 150 most of the time so it’s 75% increase give or take

[tawdry flare]

It's 75% afaik

[acoustic coral]

Like I'm not just spewing bullshit here, no matter the amount of buffs I have while playing Countdown, I don't reach over 1.5M unless Close Range is active - and when it is, I hit for close to 4M

[brisk barn]

But that’s only because Close Range is at the very end of the calculation before crit

[acoustic coral]

Agents deal +25% weapon damage to enemies within 15 meters```

[brisk barn]

Probably due to lazy development when making countdown

But it’s hella fun

[acoustic coral]

It is and I'm not complaining either - I've just asked the exact same question as Bighugemilkies and gotten the exact same answer.
No amount of different support builds/buffs can out of nowhere take you from 1.1M hits (What I do with Solo Striker's, max stacks + max Ceska obli, Coyote mid buff, Elmo) to 4M+

I fucking wish - I would run that support build all the time in Countdown lol

[brisk barn]

Best we got rn is double support Ongoing/FI with Emphatic/ OW

Tbf sledge Achilles Scorpio is a 3x bonus

On Regulus Busy one shots

Almost 3x

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but that's like a mad specific setup. There's just no fail to it. If I play countdown and see the close range countermeasure, I know I'm in for a fun session ever since I noticed and talked about it ^^

[hazy steeple]

Cheers for letting us know.

[rich lotus]

Is a the setup with 2 yellow attributes a unicorn?

[acoustic coral]

Close Range thing? Or did I miss something? Because if it's close range, I didn't say anything, and you don't report anything, because I didn't say anything. Right. Riiiiiiight

[magic pilot]

With repair and haste yes

[magic pilot]

Someone sent a scam link

[rich lotus]

Makes sense

Crafted about 50+ and didn't see it

[acoustic coral]

Oh. Good. I mean bad. Uuuhhh

[magic pilot]

Crit rolls is a good one too

[rich lotus]

Nice

[magic pilot]

Works well with red FI build

[rich lotus]

I got 2 yellos but... status and skill damage

Division being division

[shy willow]

could be worse

[rich lotus]

Guess I'll have to passively farm for that haste and repair for my FI

[shy willow]

its a well worth it upgrade over alps

[rich lotus]

I have one maxed with explos resis and repair atm

Works alright for now

[silver silo]

oh no my close range

[tawdry flare]

Rip

[tawdry flare]

Need you in game

[lethal gust]

What’s a good conflict build? No matter what I run, I get smashed

[wise swallow]

If your getting smashed no matter what build you use its likely not a build problem

what builds have you used?

[urban latch]

Your forgetting how unprepared people can attempt to pvp with lol

[wise swallow]

Im assuming hes atleast using a HE with some armour

[acoustic coral]

Does what he has tried matter though? He's in here asking for a good conflict build - you know one?

[wise swallow]

Can make a better recommendation if i know what types of builds he has used, what he disliked and liked about them. His playstyle is important aswell.

blanket recommendations are pointless if their not entirely new to PvP hes clearly played some PvP and wanna know where he lacked and what he liked.

if he plays more sat back im not gonna recommend a adrush unbreakable 1.5 mill armour build. Im gonna recommend 1.3m armour spotter vigi

[lethal gust]

So when I’m running a crit SMG build I get smacked by a guy with 2 million armor. But when I run a 1.8 armor build, I get smashed by a guy rocking six reds with an SMG.

[wise swallow]

striker? high end? hunters fury?

[lethal gust]

A mixture. I run some striker builds, and I run some high-end builds.

[gentle lichen]

You don't get enough time especially in conflict to stack striker

You want on demand damage

[wise swallow]

Those builds are all good then. I think your main issue is going to be how your playing those builds. have you tried any kind of AR build or something that doesnt require you to get so close?

[lethal gust]

This morning, when I was playing, I have a high-end build, rolled for crit. And was getting smashed by a status effect build

[wise swallow]

do you have big horn?

[lethal gust]

I do not

I have st. Elmo

[gentle lichen]

Honestly for beginner i would recommend a crit build

[wise swallow]

haz pro crit are awful imo

[gentle lichen]

Not too bad on smg but ar yeah

[acoustic coral]

@modern heron It's a fun build, think I do 6-700K crits, but the important part of this build is the Bluescreen rounds, just shoot it on every target and keep the debuff on them. And remember to play to the strength of negotiators ofcourse

[wise swallow]

status effects can be counter with haz pro. 1pc yhaal and roll eveything with haz pro (CHD as second attribute). that wont make you immune but you wont take much dmg.

using an SMG not AR

try out unbreakable as a chest talent if you havent already

pairing it with adrush can help you tank quite a bit more DMG with an SMG

[gentle lichen]

Booster is a good way to get rid of status but that's if you run high armor to have enough react time to drop it and wait for charge to hit you

I noticed that burn status in conflict doesn't proc unbreakable. Does it or does it not?

[wise swallow]

yea you can run booster as a backup

haz pro is alot more reliable tho

[modern heron]

Thx ill definitely give it a go soon might put my other build im makeing on pause to try this 1 out

[wise swallow]

unbreakable is weird rn, regen at weird times makes it not proc too

its like 70% chance it works

i find it doesnt fail to proc on firewall medkit

so idrk why it doesnt proc sometimes but

[gentle lichen]

I know that if you are low armor and if the next burst damage you recieve is higher than your health it will not proc

But how can sticky tick for 300k or something

[acoustic coral]

All my stats are maxed out on that build, only thing I can really improve is putting expertise on the bluescreen, but it's minor stuff.
No reason to run CHC on the Bluescreen, because I'd be over the 60% cap with coyote's and have no CHC to remove on my gear. I have DTA on the Bluescreen as third attribute, ROF could be nice aswell, but eh.

[wise swallow]

yea idk, I think its just bugged. Ive seen some theories but they never play out consistently

byeah @lethal gust Its not your builds, its how your playing them

[modern heron]

Yeah im definitely gonna give it go later on

[urban latch]

You have any screenshots of your builds?

[lethal gust]

Not on me. When I get home, I’ll post some

[acoustic coral]

Wacky question, but hear me out - if I hate PvP in Division in general, any build I could aim for to head into conflict that would make me hate it less? That is such an open-ended question, I know, I just don't touch PvP in this game with a foot-pole but have been thinking of branching out

[lethal gust]

On PVE can crit for 1.3 mill. But that’s why I’m asking for a conflict build

[acoustic coral]

What's the other one you're making? Striker's is always the "goto", but I personally kept delaying it for quite a while - enjoyed the D50 Determined High-End build a lot before I touched Striker's ^^

[wise swallow]

fire, watch everyone run around burning to shit. untill someone counters it then youll hate PVP again.
Healer is super fun and feels cool + your team will love you. untill your team is shit, then youll just die over and over and hate PVP again.
Hotshot determined. you know why.

[acoustic coral]

I can fuck with that actually.
I've got a PvE Hotshot Determined + Eclipse Protocol Fire setup, probably needs some finetuning for Conflict but could see it work. And healer ofcourse, I wouldn't mind that too much I think

[modern heron]

Iv been working on trying to make a 1shot sniper build with 4p hotshot juts dont know wat to use for the other bits. And a st elmos build aswell

[wise swallow]

just use creeping death and honestly any high status effect tier 6 build will kill people in 3s~ and out DPS a firewall medkit

[acoustic coral]

This is pretty standard - I know there's some minmaxing that can be done but I like it

[wise swallow]

and for determined use spotter or PGC instead of headhunter.

[acoustic coral]

Hmm, alright, alright. Thanks! Will defo look into it down the line. Currently got my eyes set on the backfire build from the sheets for the luls

[modern heron]

Is the exotic pistol mandatory?

[acoustic coral]

Not at all, not for this build - I only bring it along because I don't want to use Nemesis and run Pistolero Directive ^^

[modern heron]

Ahhhhhhhhh yeah understandable

[modern heron]

Whats the average damage u do with that setup btw?

[tulip charm]

alot

[acoustic coral]

30.5M with the Model 700, max HH + Hotshot stacks

[modern heron]

Lovly ill definitely give it a go

[acoustic coral]

Got nasty with it, was trying to figure out how to properly use the different DPS Calc spreadsheets from iKia, looked at DTTOC vs 20% Expertise for example and in all that fun, I pulled the trigger and finally rerolled my Elmo a bit, now it's golden so Expertised it up aswell. mhmh feels good

[hexed steppe]

you should bring your chance up, at least 1 mod/roll . nego talent relies on crits for transfer.
also, if you do the chc*chd test
47 x 173=8131
53 x 161=8533
59 x 149=8791

personally would swap coyote to grupo since youll have a number of coyote users in CD and with bluescreen your probably mid and long range swapping a lot.
jmho tho

[dense hound]

i cant seem to figure out a build for my character yet

[acoustic coral]

I will almost, always, have the 15-25m buff from coyote's active while in CD, which takes the stats to:
57% CHC * 183% CHD = 10.431 - (and, generally, you so often have them all active, but assuming only the mid-range is active)
60% CHC * 171% CHD = 10.260 - swapping a mod

Grupo instead of Coyote, math stats to be different. (This also assumes a coyote buff is never active, which there will always be one, because Countdown)
47% CHC * 188% CHD = 8.836 - no coyote, grupo instead
53% CHC * 176% CHD = 9.328
59% CHC * 164% CHD = 9.676

If I ran 9.5% CHC on the Bluescreen with Grupo (which means losing 6% DTA):
56,5% CHC * 188% CHD = 10.655
60% CHC * 176% CHD = 10.560

And I only use this build in Countdown aswell

If I really min-maxed around Countdown and assume there will always be 2/3 Coyote buffs active, I could tinker a bit.

[hexed steppe]

ive always found its best to ride the upper chc limit with nego instead of counting on other buffs . like i said, jmho

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, for sure, it's just one of those - in my experience in countdown, coyote is active and I only use it in countdown + my main contribution is the disruptor rounds while doing alright damage

[dense hound]

how would i get the unbreakable talent?

[hexed steppe]

farm chest pieces until one drops with unbreakable so you can add it to your library

[warm shard]

Definitely some insane damage, it would be an interesting idea if they brought some sort of support build into the game that buffs everyone's damage but a good chunk tho. Would make things interesting

That blue screen build looks solid too I was thinking about an lmg setup next

[sudden fog]

@shy willow you still got your incursion key

I need to use mine

[magic pilot]

Btw expertise doesn't get removed when rerolling

[acoustic coral]

I knooow, but I was at the point where I wanted to test my luck getting a new elmo's first - but that never happened haha

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

I managed to get 3 with Dtooc after i already had mine so I shared them

Unlucky for me lucky for everyone else

This is my latest hyperfixation

Just need holster and bp, already got hsd mods and better fox

[rocky rain]

Is anyone using the Clutch talent? I tried it but doesn’t seem to work very well

What are people’s experiences with it?

[peak sphinx]

For some builds its ok to use and is a nice heal up after a kill. Its an ok talent imo but deffinitly not great sadly

[rocky rain]

A shame it’s only on BP so can’t be combined with Memento

Are there also Chests with three core attributes?

[lyric prism]

no, just exotic backpacks ninja bike and momento

[urban latch]

It's just not worth running tbh

[pastel pasture]

does the 4piece hotshot 2hasburg kinda of work with the regulus?

[hexed steppe]

Regulus will only take advantage of the hsd and handling.

Hunters fury or high end the goto for regulus focused build.

If using as am mmr build but with regulus I'm sure it would be ok tho

[pastel pasture]

I alkways thought the hunters fury or strikers would be "weaker" than the HE focus, are they both the same in terms of dps?

[onyx sage]

using dps to compare them is the wrong way to go about it

focus dps is really nice but theoretically headhunter builds can one tap any target assuming you meet hp thresholds

[hexed steppe]

Hunters fury is very strong with regulus. You also get cc and aok so it has a good amount of survivability

[pastel pasture]

yea its just my playstle, im not really up in front of anyone face for huntersfury to be effective for me atleast

[onyx sage]

oh wait you mean hunter's fury crit, not headhunter right

[hexed steppe]

I use high end with a car door shield for reg

[pastel pasture]

theres a headhunter hunterfury build?

[onyx sage]

yes

it's meta speedrunning build rn

used even in legendary

[tulip charm]

HH m870 💪

[pastel pasture]

doestn the buff break if ur pellets miss the head?

[hexed steppe]

Only need 1 pellet to hit head

[onyx sage]

yeah, you do want them to hit heads because only the ones that hit head will stack headhunter for next shot

[pastel pasture]

so the more pellets the more "leftover dmg" for HH to apply to next hit?

[onyx sage]

yes

[rocky rain]

I’m playing with ND, but I don’t really see other enemies are damaged when I kill one. I mark them with the Pulse Scanner. Am I doing something wrong. I have 4 pieces in combo with Palisase-Obliterate and Memento

CHC is at 50% (needs some recalibration)

[acoustic coral]

2.5 hours later and I'm done understanding the math behind ND DPS calculation, aswell as in general, and the potential DPS is pretty nifty.

No-ND = No ND stacks
Max-ND = Max ND stacks (40%CHD)

BD MR-Coyote = the current version I'm running that assumes the mid-range Coyote buff is active.
BD 3xCoyote = all 3 Coyote range buffs are active
BD 3xCoyote Grupo Contractor's looks like this

It's mathed with only body-crits and matches the formula (after a lot of trial and error) used in the evernote by mjx (for BluescreenDilemma DPS)

Now to farm it lol

[lyric prism]

you have to shoot them for the ND mark to apply. 3 max, 5 with gearset chest.

[hexed steppe]

When using Nego, it is your critical hits that mark the npcs. You'll see a nego icon above marked npc.
When you critical hit any of the Marks they all take the critical damage through transfer. Non crits wont transfer obv.
If you use nego bag it is 100% of the critical hit is transfered.
Without the bag its 60% of the critical hit that's transfered iirc.

Ideally you'll want your chc as close to 60% chc as possible to produce the most critical hits.
Hope that clears things a little.
Nego is an amazing set once you get used to it.

[rocky rain]

Thanks so much. So I first shot a few and then I finish them off while they are already damaged through the transfer?

[blissful rampart]

not to through a wrench in your plan but dont forget that ND marks double dip on DTA 😛 dont forgot about that

[rocky rain]

Shoot = Mark

[hexed steppe]

Yep

I usually get a few marks then focus on the biggest health pool.

[lyric prism]

its a more engaging gameplay than spamming Striker all day.

[acoustic coral]

It's in there ^-^

[hexed steppe]

Just make sure to shift your aim to mark something else once something dies

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[blissful rampart]

HOW dare YOU !!!

[onyx sage]

it's over, anakin

[hexed steppe]

Also note that you can mark some immune items (think summit) and use transfer to destroy them. Doesnt work on everything but it's nice when it does.

[pastel pasture]

strikers chestpiece < Obliterate/Ceska or Grupos?

[lyric prism]

Ceska if you are under chc cap w/ or w/o Coyotes at mid range buff, otherwise Grupo.

carry a Grupo mask with you if in a raid and enough people handle the Coyotes 3 buffs.

[urban latch]

Ceska.

Really the only exception is if your only using HE smgs

And only a HE smgs

[pastel pasture]

nice, Iv been using the striker chest this whole time..

I kinda prefer AR, to smg, but the oreo is way too good

[urban latch]

Strikers chest isn't bad, it's just the usefulness varies based on what your doing and how well your maintaining stacks

Ouro is still very marginally better with ceska anyways

[pastel pasture]

If I dont need Coyotes, I add a grupo mask? or fenris?

[urban latch]

Fenris is slightly stronger with ARs, grupo applies to multiple weapon types which is generally more useful

[indigo hinge]

I sent to wrong channel

[magic pilot]

Striker chest is good for legendary

[flint wave]

true

[magic pilot]

Anything with high density spawns of enemy's and/or high HP enemies striker chest is good. Or boss burns you can stack on

You need about 150 striker stacks with chest to equal obliterate. So if you are constantly under 150 swap to obliterate

[tawdry flare]

Mhh I thought it was 125 😅

[spark lichen]

Can someone tell me a quick way they get shd cal. Like its the only issue im having w upgrading my stuff

[magic pilot]

150 was just watching ikia stream and he was talking about it

[tawdry flare]

Wait it is 150 nvm

1.25*2= 2.5 or 2.5 with 150 striker stacks

[hidden creek]

Strikers combine with coyote mask ore take better memento 🤔🤔

Atm I run Elmo picaro holster Coyote mask rest Striker

[magic pilot]

Coyotes and ceska obliterate chest

[hidden creek]

So drop Picaro then ?

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Yes

[frozen lily]

What should I be looking to add/swap out for this LMG build? I swap between New Reliable and another Military RPK with Unhinged that hits for 185k

[tawdry flare]

If you are using an lmg you can go Fast hands

Use 4pcs heartbreaker also

[frozen lily]

Is the damage gonna be worth more than my Backup backpack?

[radiant glacier]

just starting out the game, lvl 3, what skill should i have in my second slot? my first slot is the sniper turret

[shy willow]

Use 4 heartbreaker pieces and swap the backpack out for ceska

[shy willow]

Dont worry too much about skills, although the reviver hive is very useful

[radiant glacier]

even if im playing solo?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah also you can use technician laser pointer for pulsing NPCs

[radiant glacier]

well i ended up getting the attacker drone but i'll keep that in mind

[tawdry flare]

Well it allows you to pulse without using skill

[shy willow]

Laser pointer is much easier to use than other pulse options

[dreamy valve]

I would use laser pointer for your lmg, or just use 4pc strikers

If you can get enough bonus armor from HB though, you can switch to vigilance

[sullen sun]

Anybody want to share their PvP armor regen build?

[tulip charm]

@wise swallow

Also trying to farm a unbreakable ceska chest for pvp is frustrating

[sullen sun]

I know this is a stupid question but I’ll ask it anyway..can you run GC with 2mil armor?

In PvP

[shy willow]

You can, you shouldn’t

Negates allat armour

[lime quarry]

Does anyone know if St elmo engine can get Damage to targets out of cover in 3rd slot?

[lethal trellis]

yes, buy blueprint from Inaya then able to reconfigure 3rd attribute

[lime quarry]

ok nice

ty i got it in try 20 lol

[solar sable]

oh god lmao, that was so unlucky

[lime quarry]

all good its maxed out i neverything so im cool with it

[solar sable]

you got it god rolled?!

[lime quarry]

ya

[solar sable]

I take back what I said earlier.

[lime quarry]

lol

[upper patrol]

Why a lot of builds go with Kard?

[odd summit]

The pistol that gives a skill tier?

[fickle light]

Lotta builds dont use their pistols, but run a reviver hive. You can swap to your pistol (giving you a skill tier) and throw a reviver hive down to revive a friend. It has 2 revives, due to the extra skill tier, and then you can pick it back up and swap back off your Kard Custom, keeping your own revive safe in the process if you need it.

[upper patrol]

thx

[shy willow]

Orbit and kard make for very nice sidearms

[acoustic coral]

build of the day

[shy willow]

Wh-

Mozambique

Fast hands on a build with no crits

Ninja

What on earth

[ancient dune]

bro is in an entirely different dimension you just can't comprehend what he's cooking

[tawdry flare]

I want what he is smoking

[acoustic coral]

It's like, if we're playing 2D Chess, this guy is playing 8D chess.

I could swear Lootcifer just knows what you want though.
I want an ND mask for a new setup I theory-crafted yesterday.
29 ND pieces dropped, 4 of them masks - but 8 BPs and 8 gloves lmao.

[modern heron]

Would true patriot work well with a st elmos?

[shy willow]

Bro is cooking in hells kitchen

We're all playing checkers and he's playing chess

[shy willow]

True patriot tends not to work as well as other options anyway

[acoustic coral]

true actually, we're playing a different game

[shy willow]

But Elmo will work on anything

[modern heron]

Do you recommend anything in particular?

[tawdry flare]

Same can be said for Scorpio it works even on cc/healer build

It just works

[acoustic coral]

I do wonder how long it'll take me to get a Grupo CHD, HSD, Obliterate chest

[tawdry flare]

511 minutes

[shy willow]

I take it you're after a tanky support build?

[modern heron]

Yes i already have a dps build and 2 more in the works lol

[tawdry flare]

Tanky support build requires vanguard and protector

[modern heron]

Ahhhhhhh

[shy willow]

At least for countdown I heavily recommend blue ongoing directive

[acoustic coral]

squints I guess I'll see you guys tonight

[wise swallow]

Everyday carrier, 2 golan, emperors knee pads, yhaal, picarios (or fen tbh can kinda be whatever). All haz pro and hsd

[acoustic coral]

Odder, if I asked nicely, will you carry me in your big strong arms every day? 👉 👈

[wise swallow]

It is 6am currently

[acoustic coral]

Which means you'll have 18 hours to pick me up 👉 👈

(I'm memeing in a IRL way, not pvp haha)

[wise swallow]

At my current brain function level the only way I can take that is sexually

Just be ready bbg

[acoustic coral]

‎ ‎ ‎ ‎😳
👉 👈

[shy willow]

🫣

[dull ermine]

Is cavalier backpack worth using

It seems to be beneficial to get the charge faster but idk

[shy willow]

Is this some PvP sort of thing

[dull ermine]

No wanna make a tank build for heroic countdown end hunters

[tawdry flare]

6pcs 5.11 to rule them all build

[shy willow]

Yeah that hazpro and health really helps tank against the hunters and their jam

[dull ermine]

It was just a fun build idea.

Here’s 2 options

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwZgtAbGAMYEyRk2LlqtAXBAjI2CUOIA7GqheZgKyxTXyIgCc5blW1eGjH77NQkgR9RVYKx4j+YlJlkz5MxQtGY4S1ZuXQgA

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMNgjOWy4ragXBelUPPAMwDse65MGhAnLvComCIWa+RjvJ+sDhf5VC4BIshgAstKKJmVZ7eWMVoMIDPPVsyQA

That yaahl will be a pain tho

I’ve been using mosquito and if you stack in the hunters from a distance they get confused and don’t attack anyone cause they can’t find you

[shy willow]

If you want an immune build eclipse is much better

[dull ermine]

I’m thinking of that it’s just someone used cavalier yesterday during a raid to share haz pro and it worked really well. I wanna see how it works for countdown

[shy willow]

Raid and countdown are two very different beasts

[dull ermine]

The only other thing that I can think of is faraday but people run away from the hive. I kind of wanna see how well this will work for floor 100 hunters anyways now with the door closing

[wise swallow]

Yes

Less downtime is better then any talent your gonna get for a tank

[dull ermine]

Okay, do you run cavalier ?

I’m getting roughly 62 pfe on the one I posted so I’m thinking it will be kind of okay but I’m not familiar with pfe

[wise swallow]

Sometimes in pvp

[wise swallow]

Useless

Run something else

Cavalier is only good for haz pro

[dull ermine]

Oh I meant I didn’t know what other stuff to run so that’s why I put pfe

Nothing else seems to make sense to me

[shy willow]

Id imagine it's good for helping your team counter burn meta in pvp

And not much else outside of niche raid use cases

[wise swallow]

Yep

[dull ermine]

But I’m strictly talking pve

[wise swallow]

It’s a useless set in pve tbh

[dull ermine]

I wonder if the aegis talent is any good 🤣

[shy willow]

PvE it's not good for anything except diag really

[wise swallow]

Also useless

[shy willow]

I wanted to like aegis but realized the DR was worthless

[dull ermine]

Bruv what are these sets

DR?

[shy willow]

Garbage

[shy willow]

Damage resistance

[brisk barn]

A whole 3% per enemy that isn’t already dead

[dull ermine]

The cool thing about cavalier tho I find is that the tank does it passively that’s why I thought about the healer

They don’t need to do anything really

But that fucking yaahl piece

[wise swallow]

You don’t need yhaal

30 from set 10 on each piece, 10 from watch

[dull ermine]

Lemme take a Quick Look I think I set the watch

Nah you only hit 90

Idk how haz pro works with status when you don’t have full immunity is it like less duration

Also do gear mods count like disrupt resistance

Cause it seems to me it would work wonders for the summit where you have special ammo on and black tusk can’t disrupt shields

[wise swallow]

You got something misrolled

60 + 30+ 10 = 100

[brisk barn]

Yeah if you’re not immune the duration takes a hit

[dull ermine]

Oh I’m running btsu

[hexed steppe]

Can run a hazpro yaahl piece as your high end to make that up

[dull ermine]

But… I don’t think I need the skill tier I can just hold kard

Can’t run opportunistic anyways

[wise swallow]

I Assume in pve vanguard > tardi ?

[flint wave]

I like vanguard more

[hexed steppe]

vanguard is on demand and has shorter cooldown/longer duration. idk which is better tho since tardi you dont have to think about . van probably has more value since you can run a useful brand

[flint wave]

People are more confident when the bonus armor is in their face

[hexed steppe]

i dont use either so not the best judge

[dull ermine]

I’d say vanguard because the cooldown is quicker

[tawdry flare]

+200% bonus armour with HB

[dull ermine]

Tardi is good but only lasts 10 seconds for a 45 sec cooldown

[rich cosmos]

Its great for group play, if you aren’t in a group it’s literally worthless

[rocky rain]

I have to kill Baselisk by first destroying his armor. How do I do that? Roosevelt Island

It’s for stage 5 Gunner field research

[hazy steeple]

Spam oxy skill until it all falls off, basically.

IIRC there's more pieces than you think, so make sure your other skill is the scanner pulse to check.

[dull ermine]

Easiest way is use a rifle with high rpm and no crit chance

[urban latch]

Oxy is way easier. It applies to all of his armor pieces at once and equally

[dull ermine]

Let him swing at you and roll away and break in this order

Shoulder pads, backpack, helmet, elbow pads, kneepads

Chestplate last

If ur not doing oxi

[tawdry flare]

Oxi is the most reliable thing to do this you can do shock trap + oxi combo

[flint wave]

I used sniper turret to act as a better decoy

[dreamy valve]

Anyone tried decoy with aegis yet

[flint wave]

yellow aegis with shield and decoy has been made beforr

[dreamy valve]

Is the damage reduction good enough to replace future initiative I wonder

[versed summit]

Foundry bulwark?

[dreamy valve]

Whu

[flint wave]

wrong set to compare with aegis

[dreamy valve]

I want to know if the damage reduction from the Aegis is worth using for the decoy skill

If it is, then I’ll drop the extra damage buff and healing from future initiative for my decoy build

[blissful rampart]

i mean FI builds are ran mainly for the damage chest buff, the healing is a nice 2nd bonus.

hence why aegis doesnt compare/ compete with FI.

[flint wave]

gotta compare aegis to foundry/any other tank instead

[modern heron]

Any good?

[lyric prism]

the optimum 3rd atribute should be damage to target out of cover. yes, a good unit nonetheless.

[modern heron]

I have been trying to roll for it but i jeep running out of exotic materials

[lyric prism]

it happens.

[modern heron]

Its a pain lol

[fresh grove]

Funny enough I had an exact chestpiece with those rolls but the talent was headhunter changed it to obliterate. Was from a countdown run

[chrome remnant]

hello, I am back with a few more questions:

1. For a DZ build, is the PvP build good as is? I was planning on running, two AR with flatline based on the PvP starters guide link in the spreadsheet.

2. For AR damage, I see Carbine 7 being recommended a lot, why is that case if it does less damage than most other AR, like Honey Badger or P416?

[versed summit]

I believe the C7 was recommended for it's easy handling characteristics, but after the AR rebalance it's no longer competitive enough to be worth using.

[wise swallow]

1. I dislike the first build in the sheet mainly cuz of catharis. I would use coyotes instead.
2. Carbine 7 is decent. F2000 and eagle bearer are the best in a PVP context. PVE F2000, L86 and RPK (ik these 2 are LMG's) are all great

[chrome remnant]

so any other AR would work as well right? since I dont like FAMAS or the F2000

[wise swallow]

Akm is fairly strong afaik

[chrome remnant]

i was looking at the third build that used the kingbreaker and c7

[wise swallow]

uhh

none of them use those 2 guns

[acoustic coral]

Haven't gotten it yet 😢

[chrome remnant]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=f50645df-c0af-52ac-4cce-97025c37190a&noteKey=tzmM1Vr1LY9ZmRcm0l238ob1_uoT5yqpDeIA3IFRabdEItBiKzp5oA3zDA&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Ff50645df-c0af-52ac-4cce-97025c37190a%2FtzmM1Vr1LY9ZmRcm0l238ob1_uoT5yqpDeIA3IFRabdEItBiKzp5oA3zDA&title=Basic%2BPVP%2BStarters%2BGuide%2B%2528TU19%2529

this is the link right?

[fresh grove]

Rip

[wise swallow]

this one?

[chrome remnant]

oh yeah, its the m4 not the c7. my bad. Yes, thats the one

[wise swallow]

yea im not a fan of that build

[chrome remnant]

I play solo and PvP is not my jam. I like the DZ as a concept but I know that PvP is huge in DZ so I was trying to build a build that will actually give me a fighting chance

[versed summit]

basically, I like to mention that the M4, C7, and sig556 are all pretty bad, so stay away from them, otherwise, your basically good for whatever AR

[wise swallow]

Id recommend.
Coyote, metador (or walker backpack with adrush), fenris, picarios (or groupo), ceska, foxes.

all CHC and CHD. Unbreakable chest talent

itll kill NPC's pretty quickly and be more then competent when fighting players

you can switch the chest to obliterate but id stick with unbreakable

[chrome remnant]

I was planning on running the Honey Badger.

[versed summit]

eh, it's better than the other's but not by much and it's missing a modslot. is ther a paticular reason why you wanted to use the honey badger?

[lyric prism]

this build is a good build from the time Heartbreak was still pre-nerf but there are better ways.

[wise swallow]

having no firewall medkit just sucks, vigi also sucks if your not running high dmg team builds

[chrome remnant]

I am on the hunt for Foxes. I have a picario and contractors as well as a ceska obliterate chest and Coyote. So, I just need to get the Matador then

[wise swallow]

you can sub in a second piece of walker if need be

groupo and second walker are decent subs while your getting better pieces

[chrome remnant]

honestly, because I like how it looks.

I am not a min-maxer so since there isnt much of a difference as far as I can tell, I thought I could just go for a Honey Badger or something similar

thats why I was considering C7 as well but I saw in the spreadsheet that it had really low damage compared to all the others

[versed summit]

Big mood, I love it too. If you're trying to be meta skip it and go for something else, if you don't mind the loss in DPS, go for it. Have fun.

[chrome remnant]

I dont have any good alternatives yet, as I used to delete stuff I could not put in the recalibration. So, I have been farming Countdown while changing dedicated loot

does an Unbreakable Chest make it better compared to Obliterate for DZ purposes?

[lyric prism]

yes. pure survival

[chrome remnant]

im guessing running Ceska would be optimal?

[lyric prism]

if you are running a chc/chd build yes

[chrome remnant]

so if I hit 60chc without ceska, it should not matter right? or does the game calculate the additional from the chest differently?

[lyric prism]

no.

if you can hit 60- w/o then use something else or put more chd in your mod slots.

this going to be a blue core setup or a glass setup?

[chrome remnant]

blue core

[lyric prism]

then I would pack as much chd as you can.

[chrome remnant]

Me, the player is not built for glass setups

[lyric prism]

I feel. I have potato aim so its armor regen/unbreakable and pray for me. otherwise I run status builds with a group.

you run across anyone with a status build, you die, simple as that since that is the hard counter to your setup.

[chrome remnant]

are status build the meta?

[lyric prism]

the only way to mitigate would be to hazpro blue core with very careful selection on the 3rd stat.

there are several metas.

don't think of them that way, think of them as hard counters to each other.

[chrome remnant]

because it has been years since I last ran a DZ and I used to get deleted then

[lyric prism]

and you will still get deleted if the right build comes along.

if you see a group be guaranteed at least one will run a status build/be the medic.

[chrome remnant]

okay thats good to know that there is not one build rules all. I am fine with counters and stuff.

[lyric prism]

solo most seem to do high armor/chc/chd.

no, there is not.

for an armor regen build the bulwark shield is a good thing I found. pop that and by the time they waste time killing it your armor is back up.

[chrome remnant]

is adrush the best backpack talent?

[lyric prism]

but again, its the kind of build with no burst but about surviving and wearing them down.

ad rush yes.

instant available armor when something comes to shoot you.

gives you that second to respond.

[chrome remnant]

all for this. So, blue cores with chc/chd and Unbreakable chest with AdRush Backpack.

Two ARs with Flatline is best for this or should I run a LMG/AR setup?

[lyric prism]

the armor setup yes but unless you plan to run Tech spec for the laser I would do a different gun talent.

[chrome remnant]

I dont mind running Technician.

[lyric prism]

I tend to favor Measured

[chrome remnant]

I have this Measured RPK

[lyric prism]

for DZ use there are better specs to use. Survivalist or Firewall tend to be a better overall choice.

but I would also look at what others run (not just show in their videos)

[urban latch]

The guide is a bit out of date now, especially the specific AR recommendations

[chrome remnant]

I see, is the gun talent also considered out of date?

[urban latch]

Flatline imo is still a top tier talent, although the main problem with it is it means your running technician and the best ARs (f2000, FAMAS) can't really run it.

[chrome remnant]

I was considering running Kingbreaker or Dare with Honey Badger both on Flatline. But is there any other perk that might be more suited for a DZ minded build?

[urban latch]

Don't run dare, it's trash and doesn't have a long barrel to run the pulse attachment, which is key. Strained and optimist are both good talents that can be used on whatever. I wouldn't recommend measured, it does near nothing at the end of the day. Ranger for a long range secondary is very good. Outside that there's more options that are more build specific like sadist

[flint wave]

doesn't have a long barrel

enough reason not to use it

[chrome remnant]

good to know! Does the second part of your statement mean its better to run a rifle or a marksman instead of 2 AR?

[urban latch]

Rifles pretty much suck in pvp. An MMR can be a very good secondary, but generally 2 ARs or ouro and an AR are the most common options

[lyric prism]

so how is running a bleed setup in the DZ? I know it can be countered but I got a good F2000 now w/ Sadist.

[tulip charm]

ridgeway/sadist?

[lyric prism]

yea

[upper patrol]

What is the purpose of status effect builds?

[tulip charm]

Enables your dps to do alot more damage

[wise swallow]

burn shit, does alot of dmg without having to do a whole lot

[lyric prism]

I like the armor regen build I tried but just looking for something else.

oo, ty named cache for Apartment.

[muted hare]

Hey guys what’s the drop Chance for a EB in the DZ?

[lyric prism]

lower than Black Tusk blindfire miss chance.

[muted hare]

So 0.1?

[lyric prism]

on AR map loot, yes.

[muted hare]

Welp

I got a Elmo and a chameleon but no EB

[vestal ibex]

It's an extremely low chance in DZ, you are better off doing the raid. Most people will carry you thru a DH and open box for you so you might get it in just a few runs with 5-8 people opening it.

[muted hare]

I tried it with some ppl but I got nothing this week

Iv just been running around the DZ killing things

[lyric prism]

I really need to find an active clan I didn't get lead in bc no one logged in.

[vestal ibex]

You can run and open the box on other characters or just ask if people can open it for you.

[muted hare]

Ppl would do that? I thought if someone got it the chances of them sharing would be low

[tulip charm]

yeah

[vestal ibex]

I keep max keys on my character and only open the box for those who need one or if I hit key cap.

[urban latch]

The regular raiders all have them already, and often spare keys to open when someone still needs them

[tulip charm]

most active raiders already have all the raid exotics

[muted hare]

Interesting

[versed summit]

what mods are best for a foam chem? does it depend on the build?

[flint wave]

not ensnare health

[dull ermine]

Ensnare duration

+1 ammo for lower skill tiers

Blast radius for skill tier 6

If you’re running technician and want more haste you can also run that but having +1 is far better

[dull ermine]

Forgetting the guns stats

Is vindicator supposed to work with focus? I tried it with pristine example and it doesn’t work. A gun with the same kind of scope effect (dread edict) works where it’s not visual but clips into a scope when you hold your aim button

[wheat anchor]

Considering how they tie into the strats it makes sense

Ravenous for example

Totally ignoring regulus but that doesn't need an explanation

[blazing crystal]

is this a decent roll?

[wise swallow]

cant see the third attribute

shit gun regardless

[blazing crystal]

4% rate of fire

[gentle lichen]

I dislike the fact weapons that naturally used to come with dtoc are now random😿

[gentle lichen]

If it isn't dttooc reroll until it comes
Doesn't apply to lmgs

[blazing crystal]

What's dttooc

[gentle lichen]

Damage to targets out of cover

[blazing crystal]

Seems to be pretty good 1 shots reds and 3 shots purples

[gentle lichen]

Can be better

Or as odder said it is shit there are better options

[dull ermine]

Solo yes

[solar sable]

What build should I use for Lady Death?

[acoustic coral]

Isn't it called the deconstruct build? Maybe @magic pilot knows more
(That was of no help at all, can't remember seeing it recommended for any builds)

[solar sable]

I predicted that parenthesis lmao

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ancient dune]

You can run it with HF, intimidate and adrenaline rush/memento to do time trials at lightspeed

That's pretty much it

[solar sable]

I'll give it a try, ty

[left wolf]

Heeeelp meh. Ok. Every time I try to do something fancy I break something. So. My goal is to max crit chance at 60 then dmg correct? When I try to change my gear it drops when equipping strikers for example.

[tawdry flare]

Even most people who don't raid but have Played for a while also not the lvl 30 ones though

[rich lotus]

@left wolf as long as youre not going "over" 60, ex: you have 55 crit and a free mod slot its better to use a crit damage mod than a crit chance one (1% wasted) - feel free to challenge this assumtion tho

[slate ruin]

are you not able to craft a chest with obliterate?

[hazy steeple]

You can, it's just random and better to find one anyway because Crafting doesn't scale on your World Difficulty.

[slate ruin]

i ran summit for and hour or two but couldn’t get it to drop

must be unlucky i guess

[hazy steeple]

Summit is fine for farming, but if you want stuff fast it's hard to go faster than Countdown.
just set the TL (targeted loot) to what you need (in your case, whatever brandset you want Obliterate on) and do 1-2 runs on chall if LFG, heroic if you have a dedicated group.

[slate ruin]

imma try that then thanks

[hazy steeple]

No problem.
It's worth noting that Directives and playing on Challenging or higher is how you get decent loot for the bulk of the game, Countdown has no Directives but has a ton of loot.

[solar sable]

These aren't good at all right?

[rich lotus]

Meh good enough, better to just leave and not mess with rng gods

Its pretty much at 90% already

[solar sable]

I decon 4 of those before posting the picture lmaooo

[wheat anchor]

Either a hunters fury build, or a build containing sololov pieces, intimidate talent and adrenaline rush

Optionally the backpack could be memento but its up to you

I have my own take on a lady death build, I use the bloody knuckles

[maiden epoch]

Do mods matter much in a defender drohne? What about Stinger hive`?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah they can matter.
Haste on anything will lower cooldown.
Stinger hive- damage, range, extra stinger charges help.
Defender- damage reduction, duration

Some of the mods can be meh, but every little bit helps.

[rich lotus]

Quick question at what point should you stop investing on repair skill and more on skill haste for FI healer

Currently at 200% repair

Idk what the overkill threshhold is

Skill haste 61%

[solar sable]

I'll pin this in my notes, tysm

[hybrid shadow]

also defender drones' damage reduction are only affected by mods and skill tiers (...and expertise), skill damage/repair does not affect it,

it normally has only 25 sec of lifetime, but some brandset bonuses gives you % skill duration.

i.e., 2-piece alps, 1-piece murakami, 3-piece future initiative. and you can push it to ~45 seconds.

[hybrid shadow]

with safeguard (the backpack talent) it's probably already overkill regardless.

probably the only reason you want to increase skill repair further is when your healing chem launcher cannot patch teammates (and their shields) fast enough when they're under fire,

[rich lotus]

The setup BTSU and FI

Scorpio and lefty

[hybrid shadow]

oh then however high the repair% before you start running out of chem launcher ammo.

19 second chem launcher is probably borderline.

this seems really fine already.

[gentle lichen]

Put as much as you can tbh

Chem cloud can heal as well not just the burst

[rich lotus]

Chem cloud is nice yeah

Specially with expertise with increased duration

Can sep the use of it very nicely

[gentle lichen]

For skill haste honestly the initial haste along with the overcharge you'll get with btsu you won't even need more

[rich lotus]

Alr

[rich lotus]

Forgot to change the setup to skill tier lol

[gentle lichen]

1 armor

[rich lotus]

The one I have is skill

I run with surv no technician

[hybrid shadow]

need that anti-EMP hive sometimes,

especially when there’re warhounds

[shy willow]

Survivalist is especially helpful cuz of the fire nades proccing sledge per tick

[acoustic coral]

I'm gonna say it depends on what your CHD already is. The easiest way to check is to do the CHC x CHD multiplication. If for example you have 55% CHC and 160% CHD:
55 × 160 = 8.800
60 × 160 = 9.600
55 × 172 = 9.460

[acoustic coral]

Rivens, I want your Countdown luck if you only need to do 1-2 runs to get an obliterate chest piece 😳

[hybrid shadow]

depending on your requirements,

if you’re not looking to recalibrate the main attribute then there’s about 5.6% chance for the chest to drop as satisfiable.

i.e. there’s a 50% chance for you to get a nice chest after getting the same type of it for 12 times.

so yeah, a bit more than 2 runs of countdown is probably about it.

[rich lotus]

👀 Wait what

Does it also counter hunters emp?

[gentle lichen]

If timed correctly

[rich lotus]

It's like I learn something knew everyday

Godamnit that would've been helpful

I have maxed out technician but it was mostly for damage+Laser so I never really noticed the emp thing

[gentle lichen]

Farady bonus

Shock and disrupt immune when 5 meters close to hive. Applies to teammates as well

Not only hive but i believe any deployable skill that sits on a surface

So turret remote pulse etc

[rich lotus]

As long as it's inside the hive pretty much?

Or is it the meter thing

[gentle lichen]

As long as you are 5 meters within the skill

[acoustic coral]

Target: Grupo Chest with Obliterate, CHD and HSD.
Setting TL to Grupo means you can get loot drops in 6 total slot.
In Heroic I average about 30 TL drops (not counting named, weapons etc. On top of that).
That's an average of 5 Grupo chests pr. run

I'll happily reroll the talent (preferably actually), but you still need CHD and HSD on one of those 5 Grupo chests.
Core attribute is fixed to WD
1st secondary attribute is more likely to roll red - 1/12 (but since it's not completely random, we can't really use 1/12)
2nd secondary attribute is random (no likelihood afaik) - 1/11

Chance of getting CHD and HSD (ignoring talent):
1/12 × 1/11 = 1/132 or 0.76%

[rich lotus]

I see thanks

[hybrid shadow]

i agree. just note that for the first attribute both HSD and CHD are acceptable rolls, and hence 2/12.

also counting the probability of getting Obliterate on the chest, 1/24,

[tawdry flare]

Getting what you want is always 0% though

[hybrid shadow]

so yeah it'd be something way lower than 5%, thanks for correcting.

if you have that chest's blueprint available then try making a hundred of it. i got mine that way.

[acoustic coral]

tru - that's why my recal lib isn't filled yet

@hybrid shadow ah, true, 1/6 × 1/11 = 1/66 or 1.52% - but alas, I like playing countdown and am in no rush to get this specific chest - it's for a countdown specific build I theorycrafted anyways haha
I disregard the talent in the math, because I just recal that

[hybrid shadow]

😄 having fun is great!

i recall people talking about red habsburg chest/pack for sniper builds,

[acoustic coral]

Oh yeah, those are.... a pain from what I've heard.

[hybrid shadow]

with weapon handling/headshot and headhunter/vigilance.

yeah, that would be 1/66 x 1/24.

[acoustic coral]

0.064% YEP

[hybrid shadow]

fun thing is altho the median of tries before getting it is ~1100 times

• ( 1583/1584 ) ^ 1100 = 0.4992

someone is going to try 4000 times or more to get it. (that number ^ 4000 = 0.08)

[acoustic coral]

Yeeeaaah - when the RNG is raw, it be like that. Back on my lvl 60 HC Classic Mage I was farming for an item with 5% droprate - after about 200-220 or so kills I still didn't have the item.

[hybrid shadow]

srsly!? damn that's lucky

[maiden epoch]

Anyone can explain me what the mod 10% Stim Efficieny does ?

please

[hybrid shadow]

iirc the Stim Efficiency (the final one, shown on skill description panel) is +% weapon handling.

[tawdry flare]

It's for booster hive which gives handling/hazpro / meelee bonus

[hybrid shadow]

^ this

[maiden epoch]

so it does have no effectz on stinger hive right?

[hybrid shadow]

that’s correct, it has no effect.

[maiden epoch]

thanks

What about defender drone and Deflect Duration ?

[hybrid shadow]

personally i didn’t see any effect Deflect Duration mod has on the drone…

[maiden epoch]

is duration the time the drone flys and deflect the time the drone take my damage ?

[brisk barn]

😔

[hybrid shadow]

the defender drone will deflect bullets constantly as long as it’s around you.

[brisk barn]

I’ve been on the grind

For like a week now

[hybrid shadow]

oh my

[maiden epoch]

so i take duration, tanks

[hybrid shadow]

take a break

[lyric prism]

so I need to fix my red FI setup. I tried a chc/chd build before but never an HSD based one. which one produces better results?

[shy willow]

HSD probably not as good

Way less consistent

[lyric prism]

I was leaning that way too

[hazy steeple]

I can confirm that a crit Red FI setup is actually pretty darn good, it's my go-to CD setup.

there's always at least 5-6 Strikers anyway.

[shy willow]

Yeah I hear red FI is pretty damn good

Can personally recommend blue OD

There's a fair few nice support builds for countdown

[flint wave]

I wish

[hazy steeple]

I just mainly like it so the team can be super aggressive at Extraction.
no slow crawl to the end zone with one of those in the team.

[flint wave]

No build can save the team from running down the bridge of death outside of lab

[lyric prism]

I always run my foam/banshee EP setup but want something different. There are always Strikers and lately a lot of riot foamers.

[flint wave]

man yall pc players living in the dream life

or really lucky*

[hazy steeple]

Nah just sheer practice with it.

plus having the game sound off and music/podcast on helps me focus.

[lyric prism]

EP cc in CD is easy when going full hazpro. makes extractions easy.

well unless you got a wall runner but yea.

just want to try something different and I always liked my red FI setup.

the one in the spreadsheet uses momento at least in the given pic. I suspect that won't work.

[flint wave]

wait a momento

[lyric prism]

yea. I can see it working out in the long term but I am a cover rat.

I'll just run composure on an Alps or something

[hexed steppe]

on fi? why not opportunistic

[lyric prism]

red FI.

[hexed steppe]

its an amp, and helps whole team

[hazy steeple]

I think AK is making a joke about the whole Memento/Momento spelling thing.

[flint wave]

It's true at this momento

[hazy steeple]

an easy way to remember which one it is; it has drops, like something you'd keep.
e.g. Mementos'

[hexed steppe]

mahmento

[tawdry flare]

Mehmento

[hexed steppe]

lmao

[lyric prism]

right Mentos

[tawdry flare]

MehMentos when you get two mementos

[shy willow]

Muhmento

[lyric prism]

right. Mentos

[lyric prism]

actually I can use The Setup, forgot I had this.

its not perfect but its unrolled.

[hexed steppe]

yeah especially if youll use scorpio as well

[lyric prism]

I use that on the yellow FI so yea

roll the armor, easy done.

hrm. wonder if BTSU gloves would be worth for the overcharge.

[shy willow]

Can't overcharge without 6 yellows

[lyric prism]

not true at least from what I just did wearing Strikers.

but I don't think its worth doing.

you need to be tier 6 for it to affect allies.

i put the gloves on, detonated my reviver hive, got the overcharge icons, etc.

[versed summit]

You can

[shy willow]

It's pretty useless if you're not affecting allies too

Mustve been thinking of acosta

[versed summit]

You can also do a trick to get overcharge once and be at skill tier six, then do it again and affect allies. I don’t remember how it works off hand though

[lyric prism]

an oddball way - 4p whatever, 2p brazos rolled yellow w/ the named holster. Mechanical animal, Tech spec.

but there has to be a better way, you would want to run that setup for a real specific reason.

or the nonperfect talent on a better gun.

[hexed steppe]

could go ninja 🥷

[onyx sage]

yes. you just blow hive twice

hive comes back with 1 charge after you oc yourself, use that to blow it again

[pastel shard]

the glove ability is on cooldown for urself aswell

[tawdry flare]

No it isn't iirc

[onyx sage]

cooldowns for yourself and your team are 2 different cooldowns

[pastel shard]

ah ok cool

[dreamy valve]

I already know aegis doesn’t compete with buffed foundry bulwark

But I only have one slot for either aegis or future initiative for the decoy build

Is it worth giving up damage and healing buffs for the damage reduction buff for the decoy as a support build

Sorry for the late reply, had to liberate Tien Kwan

[cyan drift]

I gave up on aegis

damage resistance gained from people who are shooting at your decoy is pointless

[lyric prism]

the damage reduction is so low.

[cyan drift]

both talents being useless can be worked around, but only (realistically) getting like 30% damage resistance tops...?

[lyric prism]

so you get two more seconds for the Hyena to chew through your armor with the subgun blindfire.

[wise swallow]

it sounds decent on paper

but when 10 NPCs are all blasting you it barely even feels like it exists

[vestal ibex]

A build where you can have a decoy up all the time is the best tank imo.

[wise swallow]

Mantis tank

[cyan drift]

tier 5 artificer and decoy with 1x murakami and 2x alps

[lyric prism]

so screwing w/ red FI. I'm sure souless will not think better of me but...

still need a rollable chest/backpack but fishing this way. 5r(effective)/4y.

[flint wave]

atleast this is trying to also have good healing

[lyric prism]

i thought maybe a fixer drone to put on your local glass cannon might be better than the hive given the heal rate but unknown

or hive/fixer drone.

I think it might be encounter'ish sort of thing

[flint wave]

nah just keep chem and hive

fixer drone heals slow asf

[lyric prism]

at +4 w/ a +1 ammo it isn't too bad on the chem

does hazpro extend to your skill deployables?

[vestal ibex]

Breh, I don't care if people mess around and try out stuff, I only care if you pass it off as the best of the best and don't mention it's a mess around less than optimal build. Do wat you want but don't pull that youtuber vibes when posting up a build ya know.

[lyric prism]

lol ya.

I'm just throwing stuff at the wall. I like having the 'more' ability to heal but the damage is just ok.

[glossy scarab]

Build patrol is on the case

[gentle lichen]

Flawless tank build !1!1!1!111!

[lyric prism]

eh. I don't like it. don't feel like enough healing and the damage is good but...not there.

the times the game decides 'oh you stuck a toe out, damaged!' rip goes buff and a few seconds until it gets back. I swapped to my FI btsu midway through Jefferson. Just felt 'better'

[lavish grail]

what assault rifle has the best base stability? @ me to reply

[lyric prism]

ACR-E maybe.

[tulip charm]

c7 is one of them

[vestal ibex]

I'm just gonna say elmo lol

[lavish grail]

also, what's the difference between stability and weapon handling?

[glossy scarab]

Handling includes stability

[tulip charm]

handling includes reload, swap speed, acc, and stability

[vestal ibex]

WH on MMR is so gud for so much more than stability.

[lavish grail]

weird that the wiki doesn't include base stability

[lyric prism]

the question to ask is the 'wiki' you looked at, if its updated anytime recently.

there are several and haven't seen updates since WoNY came out.

[glossy scarab]

Am I wrong that swap speed was not functioning until recently? I noticed a huge difference with swap speed using Vedmedytsya. That's ved-med-dit-sya for anyone wondering what the hell that word is. It means bear

[lyric prism]

that would be correct, it was not working.

[glossy scarab]

Man braced makes it lightning quick

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it was resovled...

[lyric prism]

weapon swap on weapons might make gunslinger fun.

[glossy scarab]

Ah haa resolved. You get some points for that

[frail marlin]

I have a question. I got the perfect meta healing build. Is it something I can bring on every raid or not all raids wants healers ?

[hexed steppe]

5r/4y doesnt look too bad. might consider a future perfect m700/sr1. wont be 1 shotting but you can tag shit thats about to die 👍

[tulip charm]

You can bring it in all raids if you know what to do.

You'll want a healer for all of IH and you want a healer for weasel in DH

[frail marlin]

cool; i just love playing healer I just wanna be able to bring the build on most things

[lyric prism]

yea I went to my SR1, it did well. the set however felt...weak? the healing took a while and the damage just sort of wasn't there. I don't know just felt eh.

[tulip charm]

Good thing is that you can basically bring it anywhere

[frail marlin]

awesome

some people told me and some raids they want no healers just dps

i was a bit scared

[tulip charm]

Only one part of Dark Hour "requires" a healer. The rest can be with raw dps so keep that in mind.

Iron Horse you def need one.

[frail marlin]

ok

and incursion is healer required ?

[tulip charm]

Yeah.

[frail marlin]

awesome thx

so yeah just dark hours basicaly Ill have to dwitch to dps

[lyric prism]

the only set that achieve 100% hazpro immune for electronics is EP?

[tulip charm]

yeah. Also if you're gonna heal in IH then you'll need to learn how to do control room in fieser.

[hexed steppe]

cavalier also comes with 30% hazpro so should be able too

[pastel pasture]

Is the waveform exotic a bait for newer players?

[lyric prism]

its more like an idea that if you swapped the need for skills on priority and placement would work really good.

so yes.

[pastel pasture]

Wat about the acousta go bag?

[hexed steppe]

waveform can be alright if youve stacked as much damage as possible but still have an open spot.
i like btsu over accostas

[pastel pasture]

Overcharging with a grenade seems mid, but im thinking of pairing it with a sledgehammer pistol

I kno when i overcharge with btsu i can do the whole team

[hexed steppe]

i know Binoculars uses accostas on a cc eclipse build for legendary tho

[pastel pasture]

Kinda of like a support skill build

[hexed steppe]

i use btsu on my mortar build

[pastel pasture]

Dont u need to use hive?

[hexed steppe]

being able to kill the reviv hive cooldowns is really nice

yeah, i use a stinger hive with it...for me its best secondary skill anyways for mortar. mortar is low cooldown. hive can have a couple charges back in a few seconds and can be thrown anytime instead of waiting 20-30 seconds for seekers/sticky

the oc kills the mortar cooldown in a pinch and have that back instantly. 10 seconds cooldown otherwise

[rich lotus]

The setup isn't dz only right

[hexed steppe]

nope

[rich lotus]

Aight

[hexed steppe]

you should be able to get the blueprint from clearing heroic control points

same with closer

[rich lotus]

Btw Habsburg backpack/chest double red attribute is a unicorn?

[hexed steppe]

definitely🦄
same with the chest

[rich lotus]

Didn't think it was that hard to get

That means a weapon damage + headshot + handling + chainkiller is almost impossible

[hexed steppe]

yeah it sucks farming/crafting for

luckily its not really needed to have a solid hotshot build. its more flex than anything

[rich lotus]

I'm taking it doesn't increase damage as much as just a normal chainkiller + airaldi

[hexed steppe]

wh chain killer/airaldi vigilance/4p hotshot is solid and simple to farm

[rich lotus]

Yeah that's what I got atm

[hexed steppe]

its about the same as wh+air, but it has more hsd for first shot damage

[solar sable]

should I keep this roll or nah?

[rich lotus]

DTOC all the way

Crit on a sniper won't do much

Roll

I'm wondering if running summit legendary + all direcs will increase unicorn chances or not

[solar sable]

fuck me, DTA and ran out of components

[rich lotus]

Better than crit at least

But on weapons DTOC rules overall

[solar sable]

well, had to sacrifice Bluescreen, got dtoc

[pastel pasture]

how do I get lucky for uniform pieces

[tulip charm]

what uniform pieces

[mint axle]

Imagine if we could get exotic component for like 10 scavenging points from the SHD watch.

[hexed steppe]

youll get a lot more drops in countdown.
if you have the blueprints it would be worth crafting, then rrunning cd if you run out of hg mats, then repeat... its gonna be less frustrating to just optimize right rolls.. with the talent needing to be correct as well its like the unicorn of all unicorns 😂

[rich lotus]

Already tried my luck with crafts

Only got doodoo

[hexed steppe]

its like the golan creeping piece before eletrique /hg courier existed

[rich lotus]

Yep

Both talents too not just once

Needs to have 3 things perfect so you can reroll core to red

💀

headshot + handling + chain/vigilance

And here I was thinking the setup farm would've been hell

[hexed steppe]

well, unless you 3pc the hotshot then 1pc can be a knee/holster/glove/mask

[rich lotus]

This one feels like pure cancer

[rich lotus]

True that but If i'm investing in one I might as well try my luck on both lol

[hexed steppe]

the tippy top of that damage mountain is gonna be the 3pc hs/ 2hg/1air

[rich lotus]

No fox's?

[tulip charm]

hg chest with hh right?

[rich lotus]

Yes

[tulip charm]

cancer

[rich lotus]

This

[hexed steppe]

itll be the highest top end damage as a 321. fox's would help first shot though

[rich lotus]

Chest/backpack

[rich lotus]

I see

Usually I just struggle with initial shot tbh

[tulip charm]

Man I really dont want to farm habs

[rich lotus]

After you hit your 1-2 shots then it just disrails

[rich lotus]

I've already been through like 100 crafteds and some summit but I might just go to countdown

🤷‍♂️ nothing else to do I might just go for that flex/perfectionist

[hexed steppe]

i crafted a bunch with nojoy, and just said f it, im good with wh+air

[rich lotus]

I'll just farm the entire night today until my brain rots

If you don't hear from me I had a heart attack

The whole anti emp hive made life so easy for countdown at the end lol

[hexed steppe]

will send aspirin and flowers in case the aspirin didnt help

[rich lotus]

I just run FI healer with that shit and my team rushes for kills like its nothing

Wish my dumbass read or saw that sooner

Had no clue that was a thing

Even summit floor 100 will be helpful

[hexed steppe]

im always hazpro CC in countdown

foam it and forget it 🍻

[rich lotus]

Depending on my luck all I need is to stun them twice with my scorpio and its dead

If my team is not a full bot lobby lol

[hexed steppe]

faraday is nice in a lot of scenarios tbh

[rich lotus]

I'm gonna get my reg next week

Final project

[hexed steppe]

very nice

[rich lotus]

I forgot to farm on my alt character this week... so I kinda locked myself out of it until next

Completed second step mats on first instead of alt

[hexed steppe]

oic

[rich lotus]

Dumb moves left and right

[hexed steppe]

i been forcing myself to use reg a lot more lately so im not trash with it. getting better tho

[rich lotus]

Even got maxed out build

Just need the gift back

I for some reason deleted mine

[hexed steppe]

what i been rocking. yours will definitely hit harder

[pastel pasture]

sr unicorn lol

[rich lotus]

Just need that rng god luck

[hexed steppe]

ig i forgot the image 😆

[rich lotus]

(Which I dont have at all)

[rich lotus]

You don't have the holster?

Or just dont want to?

Oh yeah that build is for raids and missions etc

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer sacrifices 🔥 😈 🔥

[rich lotus]

For world I'll just use hunters

[hexed steppe]

i do have it, just dont use it

[rich lotus]

I see

[rich lotus]

Gonna go grab a goat real quick

[hexed steppe]

cheesing out 4 shield tiers with 6r

[dull ermine]

Speaking of lootcifer @hexed steppe I don’t think iron lung is in loot pool it’s been 4 days 🤣😭

[rich lotus]

Btw why use that shield with reg

Any specific

Oh wait thats a dumb question

Nvm lol

I forgot you use sidearm on bulwark

[hexed steppe]

its just really strong. 9.7mil - 12+mil with memento stacks

[rich lotus]

How much % of a blue core is all gears on 11% expertise btw

[hexed steppe]

oh damn. i know it drops in the caches.. gonna be CD i guess

[rich lotus]

66% armor

[hexed steppe]

maybe half, or less. i onmly added it to free up some mat space.. i was getting very little for a while when deconning a backpack worth of gear

[rich lotus]

I wish that was my issue

I'm the opposite scrambling throug here and there for mats

[hexed steppe]

its not worth otherwise

[rich lotus]

Is it worth it even on a tank build

[hexed steppe]

is your shd high enough for wony yet

[rich lotus]

Like max if you can 25% x 6

[rich lotus]

1500

[hexed steppe]

no, the only place it might make a small difference is in pvp

[rich lotus]

Already did a wony run

Wanted to rip my scalp off

The most tedious 3-4h of my life

But seeing all those mats was nice at the end

[hexed steppe]

add me, and if i catch ya doing a run ill hop in and help... we can get it as a pair in 2hr easy

[rich lotus]

Same name?

[hexed steppe]

yeah same

[dull ermine]

I’ve been running countdown… I haven’t really opened my caches cause those I have a strong doubt it will drop from

Ironically the faction I got it lmg targeted loot to drop from the most was black tusk… got bluescreen, pestilence, bullet king and cycle through pestilence, bullet king again but never iron lung

[rich lotus]

Sent

[lyric prism]

ok ready for what bored at work gets you?

[rich lotus]

Just lmk when you wanna run it I have one at haven rn ready to start whenever

[lyric prism]

100% hazpro, 25% buff.

[rich lotus]

Mood

[lyric prism]

just imagine the core rolls make sense for...something.

[hexed steppe]

you may be right. idk of any actual report of it, but i havent noticed it drop on an npc. def in caches

[rich lotus]

Same tbh I got pestilence and bluescreen today

No iron yet

[dull ermine]

Interesting I usually save my caches on each character to 20 each and spam open them all at once lol

The amount of dread edicts and Scorpios I get 💀

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe

Btw should I farm for a unicorn the setup or both hasb

[hexed steppe]

someone is not fu cking around 😆

[lyric prism]

lol.

[dull ermine]

I think the setup is pretty easy to find

[rich lotus]

I do the same thing too at work

[rich lotus]

Haven't had luck with a unicorn yet

The only double yellow I got was skill damage and status

[lyric prism]

I wish there was use for this but looking at the setup makes my head hurt.

[rich lotus]

Although now that you mention I need one with blue core

[dull ermine]

I’ve noticed a reduced rate of targeted loot being dropped by hunters in countdown

For named items

[rich lotus]

Yep

[dull ermine]

I was farming for pointman and that took like 3 days

I got it from a named item cache

Speaking of bored builds what do u guys think of this

It’s 40% armor on kill with preservation

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXADnFDAaJqVqdmKhNLCHHOU2ctnNDUS889gKwB2QhBI9uFOBE6jxYlNlmLswUIzChgU1JCQCAnL0VjsCBXIxmjyIA

I was trying to run deathgrips and 2 piece belstone as well but it can only be run with an smg bc loss of Chc / chd

[lyric prism]

what good about this whack setup, if you get the gear to drop you can run any core config you want and still be 100% hazpro and the 25% buff.

but requires a yaahl piece roll hazpro, no way around it. ninja and FI chest req.

all red core roll Pesti?

[hexed steppe]

can also use ceska with haz roll. 2pc is hazpro

[lyric prism]

thats true, so easier to build if you don't have a yaahl piece.

the 2p yaahl does give 5% wd.

wouldn't have enough chc/chd to make a difference but a red rolled lmg setup of some kind would be raw power. IL, Pesti, maybe Bighorn.

[hexed steppe]

ill usually just hop in if i see someone below 40 and know it must be a wony 😅 .
on most evenings so down whenever.

[lyric prism]

that is a useful piece for an HSD setup.

[rich lotus]

Yep

Wow my game crashed

Rng gods didnt like that one

[lyric prism]

I have a piece like that for my Bighorn setup w/ ad rush.

[rich lotus]

This one will def do for now idc about handling that much

[rich lotus]

Is it evening for you there?

[hexed steppe]

yeah 6p/1800

[rich lotus]

Down to run me through some wony then

Doesnt have to be all the way

Wait put it on hold I'll host a DH to help some new players out

[hexed steppe]

ok cool 👍

[rich lotus]

Raid done, still down to help or nay?

[hexed steppe]

yeah i can. just give me a few and ill join on you

[rich lotus]

kk

[pastel pasture]

If I run strikers and catharsis should I be using more blue cores or more redcores?

[rich lotus]

Blue

Catharsis is all about tanking more shots for procs

[pastel pasture]

what about if I changed to heartbreakers and catharsis?

still mostly blue cores?

[wise swallow]

just dont use shit ass catharis at all

[pastel pasture]

pvp?

[wise swallow]

both

becoming a meat shield in order to get any kind of DPS boost is stupid as fuck

[dull ermine]

For stoic - is the multiplier based on your subgroup or the entire group party?

[hybrid shadow]

50 shots from basically anything would down you in pvp,

and the same in higher difficulty pve without a significant amount of Elite Protection.

also, the cloud is heal-over-time, and only 60% of your total armor (counting the 20% incoming repair bonus on the mask). it's arguably not a lot.

[rich lotus]

It's a pretty niche item. AFAIK the only build where it really shines is Foundry Deflector

[hybrid shadow]

i agree, together with 80% elite protection + adrenaline rush tank builds.

[onyx sage]

incoming repairs doesn't affect the heal from catharsis

[hybrid shadow]

huh, thanks for the heads up.

[magic pilot]

I don't think the cloud scales with anything

Pretty sure it's always 50% armor

[hybrid shadow]

thanks. never would have known that.

[magic pilot]

I think it is strong in PvP when you are using a build where you would take a lot of dmg like smg

Or in group fights where it's easier to kit and push

[hybrid shadow]

hmm

[magic pilot]

But coyotes is at the end of the day more consistent and buffs the team

[hybrid shadow]

true

[magic pilot]

Also catharsis plus matador in large fights usually means you are getting catharsis stacks and not taking any real dmg

And by the time your white armor is getting hit the cloud drops

[hybrid shadow]

huh. i see.

[magic pilot]

Coordinated groups will play off each others clouds and push as a team

But again not super great unless you play around it. Kinda makes catharsis the focal point

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe imagine

[hazy steeple]

chc on a habsburg piece?

[rich lotus]

🥹

Sadly

Now I got CHC hazard proc and headhunter

[hazy steeple]

It's a great piece to use in your Library, and before that until you get a better one.

[rich lotus]

I'll just use chainkiller for now

Library full so its just a sad piece to look at atm

[hazy steeple]

You could potentially use it in a hotshot setup where you don't need more hsd and can use the chc for a backup SMG.

[onyx sage]

meta weapon handling piece

[ancient dune]

Not true! That brand doesn't have handling on any set bonus

[shy willow]

Named petrov chest sniper meta😱

[maiden epoch]

Whats yout favorite Sniper Rifle ?

[glossy scarab]

If I'm not using a variant of the model 700. I like covert SRS for a more active, moving around a lot type play style.its quick and has nice handling I run it with no scope for stuff like that

I think it has pretty fast target acquisition too.

As far as the time it takes for the reticle to get to the 'ready' size

[fresh grove]

Non exotic, probably white death with determined or m700 exotic prob mantis

[frail marlin]

Could someone share me a link to the best solo pve build and the required raid build ? I haven’t played in years I’m kinda lost 🙂

[shy willow]

There's not really a best build

Depends on your playstyle and aims

For raids have a striker build

It's in the pinned spreadsheet

[frail marlin]

Awesome ty

[wheat anchor]

If you're new to raids it's likely you'll just be assigned to clear ads

[glossy scarab]

Hey an easy job is a good job