td2-build-advice

[clever merlin]

The overclock is the only saving grace for hive

[rich lotus]

Whats the major differences of both

I cant remember much anymore

[flint wave]

I want whatever support stations the white tusk use

[rich lotus]

The health you gain on destroying it?

[shy willow]

Support station stays up if you go down has a huge radius and gives infinite ammo status immunity and big heals

[rich lotus]

Oh sho I forgot about that

[flint wave]

infinite heal charges lol sounds balanced

[shy willow]

That and it doesn't die until it's shot or the duration ticks over

[rich lotus]

Tbh with FI that doesnt hurt much

[rich lotus]

But this yeah

I forgot how busted reclaimer was

[shy willow]

And it goes through walls

[flint wave]

restorer hive will die out eventually this won't

[shy willow]

Yeah it's completely broken

[rich lotus]

😀 vietnam flashbacks

To you being in clear sight of it and that thing just dont like you and dont heal

[shy willow]

It's funny how emps can't disrupt you while you're in radius but the box itself can be disrupted

[flint wave]

Faraday field be like

[rich lotus]

Ngl I hope they take way more stuff from div1 than div2 but ofc balance it around

Movement and skill usage feels so awkward on div 2 for me idk why

I know they nerfed mov due to people dodge spamming in DZ but making the skills being somewhat more sluggish to trigger or come out kills me

[clever merlin]

Maybe for division 3

[flint wave]

Sounds like a chem launcher moment

[rich lotus]

Thats what I meant yeah

[flint wave]

striker in div3🛌

[clever merlin]

But that's a long way off

[rich lotus]

Yup

[rich lotus]

First aid > chem launch

div1 first aid was just chefs kiss

[rich lotus]

Sadly

[flint wave]

sounds like mender seeker mine

[shy willow]

First aid in div1 was insanely broken

Booster and defib were crazy

[rich lotus]

The whole game was broken

Both you and the enemies in a way

[shy willow]

Reminds me of MW2

Whole meta is broken making everything look normal

[rich lotus]

Stolen signal was so cancer

[acoustic coral]

Speaking of annoying skills, why does the chem launcher and sticky bomb not aim/shoot the same way. Why can you ADS one and not the other

[rich lotus]

Even with stupid broken stuff it was so hard lol

[flint wave]

you ads with sticky bomb?

[rich lotus]

Yes

[flint wave]

blindfire that mf

[shy willow]

Stolen signal isn't so bad unless you don't have at least 2 people who know what they doing

[rich lotus]

The D3 carries

[shy willow]

Bobcat was the cancer

[flint wave]

me wirh div2 legendary

[tawdry flare]

Got haste repair hermanzo but the talent is bugged

[flint wave]

not anymore

[shy willow]

Problem is even as d3 I can only cover the back and another hostage simultaneously

If nobody can cover the one that I can't then it's screwed

[rich lotus]

Yup

90% of the reasons youd fail that mission

That damn hostage final area

[acoustic coral]

Chem Launcher: Gotta ADS to get the circle
Sticky Bomb: Get the circle, cannot ADS - the skill just goes back in your pockets.
Why isn't it just the fucking same.

[clever merlin]

Damn remember the shotgunners in div1

Those mfers have sniper shotguns

[rich lotus]

Pop shotgun strikers div1

Sausage users

[clever merlin]

If youre not behind smart cover legit you just get 1 shot lmao

[rich lotus]

On a real note

[shy willow]

LMB rushers were cracked out of their minds

[clever merlin]

Man I miss smart cover

[rich lotus]

WHEN ARE THEY FIXING THE BULLET/AMMO ISSUE RN?

[shy willow]

Stupid damage stupid aggressive too

[rich lotus]

I need my rock n roll

[shy willow]

And they have shock grenades

[rich lotus]

Fr

They would all push no fear nothing

Overwhelming asf

[flint wave]

they really killed rock and roll so they can give new fast hands acs attention

[shy willow]

Agents do that shit too sometimes they just run full speed at your location

And just bash you and oops instant dead

[rich lotus]

How long has this shit been an issue around

A month or so no?

[shy willow]

Since this season iirc

[rich lotus]

Sad

Which hunters were the best div1 or div2?

Div2 they use more stuff against you which is cool but div1 being 1 shot melee sprinting after you was the best for me lol so many laughs

[hazy steeple]

hacking skills is far more interesting than 1-shotting you with a magical axe.

[flint wave]

they still one shot with a magical axe

[rich lotus]

I feel like the vibes overall of the hunters were far better in div1 I guess

It gave that scary aura

Div2 you just be like, oh look a hunter

[shy willow]

1's hunters seem much smarter

[rich lotus]

It's a 50/50 honestly

div 2 has tops and cons same as div 1

[rich lotus]

div2 it just feels to me that they spam as much abilities as the game allows or hack lol

Although them being able to heal that fast or emp is pretty cool

[tawdry flare]

♾️ skill haste drone operators

[ancient dune]

they're much more aggressive

[tawdry flare]

There is no cc as well

For most part in div1

[hazy steeple]

IIRC it was a lot easier to bait them into dumb situations, whereas in 2 they're more crafty.

the one change I do want to see is make them a little less like a Rogue.

[rich lotus]

This

It's exactly how it feels to me which is prob why it doesnt feel like a unique scenario most of the times

No rogues in div1 so fighting a npc that uses skills and seemed much smarter than anything in the game overall was a breather

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

I feel like hunter fights should be unlocked after you're somewhat late game too so you can't cheese it by switching to normal while using heroic+ gears

[flint wave]

Hunters need to be like us and put a car door shield in front of them

[rich lotus]

No thanks LAMWODMAw

That would make me laugh so much

[clever merlin]

Give them perfect vanguard too lmao

[rich lotus]

As much as I like rogues having them in the game somewhat kills hunters off since both are so much a like, never thought of it until mentioned

[rich lotus]

Add in unbreakable too

2x the fight why not

[magic pilot]

It's fixed now

[tawdry flare]

Noice finally let me test it when home cause the unicorn will be useful

Finally my 🦄 is worth using

[magic pilot]

Kinda cool piece

[tardy flame]

its pretty good for lfg ih runs..outside of that i never really used it

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[alpine smelt]

anyone got a dark hour weasel 1 tap build?

[pastel shard]

Check the pinned spreadsheet I think it has somethin that might work

Does anyone have any builds to use the ravenous with

[tardy flame]

ravenous is mostly only used in the raids

so it depends on what position you want to play in which raid

[tawdry flare]

Dark horse new raid ?

[rich lotus]

Anyone got any suggestions for builds for raids or incursion?

[shy willow]

"agent, black tusk have taken over united ironworks"

[dull ermine]

I ran red heartbreaker for incursions but most will say striker

[tawdry flare]

You mean white tusk

[dull ermine]

Negotiators or red high end works better tho imo I hate the stacking

[shy willow]

High end and negosh DPS just don't compare tbh

To strikers

Stacking is super easy in the incursion cuz everything is Hella tanky

[dull ermine]

Straight up damage yes but the loss of stacks is just a downside … the only place I didn’t really lose stacks in the incursion was the truck

It works for incursions but I wouldn’t recommend it for raids

Unless it’s a damage phase or boss

[vestal ibex]

During wright you have so much down time to freely stack. The only time you should run out of stacks is when you've gotta kite forever cause of team issues.

Strikers works well in dark hours tho

[dull ermine]

It’s personal preference I don’t like it. It works better when you’re not waiting for ads to spawn

[hexed steppe]

With marks nego is capable of outdamaging striker.

Single target damage striker wins ofc. But for most content nego is solid

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but aside of turrets, the incursion is very easy to keep full stacks. Regardless of preference I don't think stack management should ever be an issue unless you just forget your on a stack build and stare at the wall while you've got immune bosses you can stack on wherever you need.

[acoustic coral]

WHAAAAT, I can't stare at walls? madge

[dull ermine]

It’s an issue if you don’t want to run ACS … I like running smg as secondary

[tardy flame]

just run smg as primary and acs secondary

[dull ermine]

I run AR primary and SMG secondary 👁️

[vestal ibex]

Or just stack with the weapon in your hand?

[tardy flame]

you only really need acs if you run striker chest..which is totally recommended for incursion tho

[tawdry flare]

The ads are tanky enough to justify strikers chest

Unless you want to suffer

[dull ermine]

I just don’t like the inconsistency. I think for the truck phase and the lovebirds It’s not bad. But the time between ad spawns for the stage boss throws me off

[tardy flame]

and as already mentioned you can also stack on immune targets..i think a lot of players dont know or forget that

[tawdry flare]

If they enable friendly fire than we can stack on our group

[tardy flame]

stacking on the healer new meta?

[dull ermine]

stacks on whoever is running ninjabike

[vestal ibex]

Not liking something is fine but claiming you can't keep stacks is like admitting self sabotage or incompetency.

[dull ermine]

I never said you can’t keep it. I said the loss of stacks makes it less consistent

[acoustic coral]

Does he have 1000SHD tho, because if not then that must be why he can't keep stacks

[shy willow]

Yeah more incursion wise striker trumps basically everything

[shy willow]

It's very hard to lose stacks in the incursion without intentionally not shooting things

Every encounter that isn't the first striker chest is very good

Plenty of stuff to stack up on like immune bosses or even adds tbh they're Hella tanky

[hexed steppe]

I gathered after posting that you guys were talking incursion. Totally agree

[dull ermine]

From this post I was talking about raid (the one you replied to) overwatch positions and door guards for ad clear in IH boss 2

And that the final 2 bosses of IH

[shy willow]

I do love me some negotiators though when I'm running basically anything else lovely mid range set

[shy willow]

IH boss 2 is basically the only place you can't freely stack up on strikers

Williams is more difficult but iirc you can stack on the miniguns

You stack on the bodyguards as they run out for gray, the train for morozova

[vestal ibex]

I mean tbf you could use almost anything for what your suggesting and it wouldn't affect the overall raid, unless you go down but that's mostly a personal issue in my experience. In IH you do nothing on boss two, your damage isn't a factor, boss three I do suggest a HE build for most people but if you play that raid enough a perfect HE build can't save a poopy player but a team running strikers vs HE would probably perform the same or near enough. Boss 4 IH you can 100% use strikers and be full stacks the entire time without issue as you can freely stack on the train. At the end of the day if you don't like stacking no one cares, it's just usable for more stuff than most think because they are unaware of how to better play to provide a level of consistency you'd approve of.

[waxen herald]

Is the Vindicator full auto?

[vestal ibex]

It's a rifle with 380 RPM...

[waxen herald]

Ah, so carpal tunnel then

[vestal ibex]

I mean I don't use my wrist to single fire but idk maybe you have an interesting set up.

[dull ermine]

The talent on paper seems to be boomerang

Urban mdr holds up in below heroic content tho

[waxen herald]

I've seen videos of people doing like 1 million per hit with it

[dull ermine]

Headshot build or crit

[waxen herald]

Crit iirc

[vestal ibex]

I mean a high end rifle build will hit those numbers easy with an M1A.

[waxen herald]

Isn't M1A slower RPM tho?

And the Vind can get the number hitting the highlighted parts like the legs and etc

[shy willow]

MDR does reduced damage to limbs

If you get a limb mark it's only a 19 percent amp

M1a is slower but hits much harder

[west quiver]

purple 12% pfe

[acoustic coral]

Left clicking in particular affects the same nerves that wrist movements does - in relation to carpal tunnel. A study into the unintended changes of a redesign of Microsoft Power BI that traded less text typing for more mouse clicking showed that most users changed from a traditional mouse to a rollermouse (the weird trackpad thing for desktop), to combat carpal tunnel symptoms.

[normal sundial]

What stat should I put on St Elmo for striker build ?

[tawdry flare]

Stacking with ACS on 6Pcs 5.11

[acoustic coral]

DTTOC - then answer is almost always that

[normal sundial]

Thanks !

[dull ermine]

Would it be recommended to put Chc on a Scorpio for a HF shotgun crit build

Or dttoc and lose some chd

My HF sits at 46% chc Scorpio

Chd currently on secondary

Correction : 41% chc 136% chd

Memento backpack but I can drop for grupo

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC is going to net you the most damage regardless of CHC/CHD numbers.

[tawdry flare]

I present you legendary drone operators and controllers

[vestal ibex]

Yep even counting tho, which with HF you'll still wanna run up to them and probably melee bait...

[tawdry flare]

But you have 4 drones and mini tank out of nowhere

[vestal ibex]

What?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah same question I asked when I got them yesterday

[tawdry flare]

Yesterday while playing manning I got rushed by 4 drones and drone operator lying in cover

[tulip charm]

xd

[tawdry flare]

This guy revived me but I carried the whole team at the mono rail

[vestal ibex]

I have no clue what is going on in this conversation.

[tawdry flare]

Play manning national zoo to find out

I am gonna do it later again today

[lyric prism]

ok so, DZ/pvp nub and need trying to actually play the game. This got suggested to me to start with for DZ. Its ok except if you get 2-3 mobs shooting at you after a minute.

SHD past 2k, 57%ish chc w/o Elmo's.

[magic pilot]

Regen attributes?

@lyric prism

[lyric prism]

nothing is maxed yet and I know with proper rolls I should be past 100k on regen/sec

3.5% per sec from the brand bonuses.

[magic pilot]

Gila is 2.5 or 3?

[stiff jasper]

basiclly it is fine if you just start playing this game and you haven't farm enough, but this is really bad if you actually want to pvp and running in dz

[stiff jasper]

gila 2
golan 1.5

[lyric prism]

been playing nothing but pve this whole time with barely a dip into the DZ.

I think beyond doing the very first scenario they pulled from the game (why?) and a random pass in there, no.

[magic pilot]

You get more value from 2 Golan

[lyric prism]

so getting other pieces is not a problem, suggest.

[lyric prism]

ok

[magic pilot]

.75 per piece or .66 per piece

I'd swap out gila for belstone and emperors and run an extra brand

If you are gonna run regen i would go catharsis and forgo the regen attributes

It's like dumping a glass of water in the ocean

[stiff jasper]

first, you using 3 gila, 2 golan
which gila give you 2%
belstone+ep also give you 2%
you need 3 piece gila to get 2%
but belstone+ep just 2 piece
so you using 1 brand slot to having 5% armor and 60% health(useless)
meanwhile 3rd piece of golan give 10% armor

[dreamy valve]

How much armor do you regen per sec with 7%?

[lyric prism]

so 1p belstone/1 emp knee/2p golan/catharsis/?

[magic pilot]

Depends on your cores

Think 180k ish

[stiff jasper]

correct

[magic pilot]

Ceska or grupo as last piece

[lyric prism]

I have a matador.

[magic pilot]

That works too

[stiff jasper]

matador that chc, chd and blue core

[lyric prism]

its already rolled chd.

[stiff jasper]

that it is useless on this build

[lyric prism]

bloodsucker is useless it seems in general.

[magic pilot]

6 blue for regen

Good for solo headhunter lol

[lavish badger]

Can anyone show me the Heartbreaker build? Is it worth combining it with NinjaBike? For example, I have a build like this

[stiff jasper]

@lyric prism here is the build that i recommand for you, consider that you are just start and you may don't have matador that usable,( matador is hardest puzzle), before you get matador, you can use grupo/ceska backpack with same core and attribuites

here are some optional, choose depend your playstyle
ouroboros or elmo
chest talent: unbreakable or perfect efficient( belstone)

[lyric prism]

I have elmo, I don't have ouro

(pretend the pack is a ceska)

I have two emp knees both unrolled near max chd

[stiff jasper]

great

[magic pilot]

Yea looks good

[stiff jasper]

you already get hard puzzle, then you just need to farm belstone and golan in pve, last getting matador

[lyric prism]

same percent on armor gen but it does open some slots up, ty

[dreamy valve]

Nooo you’re missing a blue core

[lyric prism]

so the last slot, one says ceska w/ ad rush should work.

[dreamy valve]

Thank god

[dreamy valve]

Replace ninja bike with memento

Headshot with rock and roll

[lyric prism]

so looking at this, rolling for armor regen per sec is not worth it? at max its like 24k

[dreamy valve]

You already have good regen I would slot more chc/chd

[lyric prism]

yea, the more exp i dump on the pieces the more armor it has to regen on percent vs. flat.

[magic pilot]

Flat is almost never worth using besides bighorn haz/regen

[flint wave]

Flat regen is a meme

[lyric prism]

yea I was wondering on that.

I know better but the pieces were easy to get with that.

[lyric prism]

sounds like a niche build but I like the bighorn so look into that.

[magic pilot]

Perfect efficient, ad rush, Hazpro and regen rolled everywhere

[lyric prism]

so its status immune and frontloads like crazy.

[magic pilot]

Basically

You just chew at enemies slowly

[lyric prism]

so until I get a matador guess I will fish for a ceska pack and put ad rush on it.

[magic pilot]

Essentially

If it makes you feel better I'm shd 4800 and I have no good matador lol

[lyric prism]

I got matador from a named cache a long time ago and held onto it. useful in a high end subgun build I used to run around in until HF showed up.

[magic pilot]

I have an all red one

Some good ones just no double crit blue core

[lyric prism]

yea this matador is just about that.

[magic pilot]

Solid

[lavish badger]

However, the Hertbreaker 4 talent will disappear. Therefore, I will need to replace the mask

[lyric prism]

contractor's gloves in my setup aren't worth vs. ceska correct?

ceska would help free up some mod slots for chd.

[lavish badger]

this?

[lyric prism]

until I get better rolled stuff.

nvm, I answered my own question.

[stiff jasper]

and i still have no matador for hsd hazard

[dreamy valve]

Use 4pc heartbreaker trust me bro

ACS builds stacks fast and does very good damage

Switch to firewall specialization for extra damage

If you ever get Ouroboros, swap the assault rifle out for it

[lavish badger]

its ok, bro?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah and use heartbreaker chest

Play to the build’s playstyle

[lavish badger]

5 heartbreaker?

[dreamy valve]

Get a ceska piece to reach as high as you can for chc

Nah 4pc heartbreaker, but the chest has to be hb

[hazy steeple]

Pretty much any gearset that uses crit will benefit a fair bit from a Ceska piece, even if your crit is fine without it.
Just means you can add more to CHD.

Ouro for HB seems like an odd choice, since you can't throw the spec laser on it.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah so now go and test it out in a heroic cp and fine tune it to your preference

[lavish badger]

thank you bro

[dreamy valve]

If you aim for the head, you get pulse with heartbreaker

[hazy steeple]

That is true, however it still seems like a subpar choice compared to a gun w/flatline that can have a laser on it.

Ouro is so overtuned that it mostly doesn't matter though I guess.

[lyric prism]

i think an lmg would have better odds than a subgun on that front.

unless you are right in their face.

[hazy steeple]

It does have a range of only 15meters, but again: OP.

[dreamy valve]

That build plays to a more close range style, so it’s going to be easier to headshot with ouro. Ouro is great for burst, and acs is not slouch for sustain at the same distance

The amount of bonus armor they will be getting from hb will help a ton with sustain at this distance

Combined with memento and it’s a ping pong wrecking ball!

[dreamy valve]

Make sure to use striker shield instead of crusader shield

[flint wave]

still dying on that heartbreaker hill?

[dreamy valve]

That and acs

[lyric prism]

striker shield? you mean firewall shield?

crusader shield allows other than pistol.

[hazy steeple]

The firewall shield is called "striker", because it was before Striker was added to div2 w/WONY's release.

[lyric prism]

or have I got that wrong.,

ah ok so I see on the mouseover./

[hazy steeple]

it's basically Nemesis and Nemesis all over again.

[magic pilot]

lol I have hsd hzd

[magic pilot]

Idk why they keep doing that lol

Also a good way to remember is if you have less than 2 normal high end pieces with chc/chd you should run ceska with an smg

Otherwise run sokolov/grupo/coyotes

[lavish badger]

Yes, I take it👍

[dreamy valve]

If you got dtooc on both weapons, is even better

I like using defender drone

On top of the constant bonus armor and armor regen with a 6 tier shield. My hb also has pfe mods

[hazy steeple]

What's your chc and chd with it? I assume the former is good due to ouro, but the acs too?

[dreamy valve]

They are both low in considered unoptimal since I’m stacking pfe mods with an improvised holster

I wouldn’t suggest playing this way, but it has been working well for me with multiplayer heroics. Doubly so if they have 4-5 directives on

[hazy steeple]

The one issue with testing builds is that you can sometimes be tripped up when the circumstances change.
e.g. playing it on Countdown and its weirdness+buffs, or having teammates can massively buff an underpowered build due to multiple damage sources and target switching, etc.

If it's working for you right now in the content you need it for, then I say go for it. But just be a little careful if you switch it up.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah I have other setups for other modes

But this hb build I have still can kill 2 elites with a clip of rock and roll

[acoustic coral]

Speaking of buff, and this isn't necessarily a question directly to you, but sometimes in countdown - well I got a maxxed striker build, I do 1-1.1M at full stacks + obli, but in some cases each shot just does 4M + - is that a buff from a specific build?

[hazy steeple]

I honestly don't play CD enough to remember exactly what buffs it gives, but if I had to guess it'd likely be the case, or maybe just a weird scaling thing from someone else.

[flint wave]

close range buff

• headshot buff or somedude running FI

[acoustic coral]

I still wonder how it maths up.
Let's just say I regularly do 1M, that's a 300% increase pr. bullet hitting.

I only ask because I'd love to run whatever build enables others to shine like that

[flint wave]

People saying close range buff is bugged to give more damage then 25% increase but i still dk if that's entirely true but I do know cd buffs are separate multipliers from everything else

hence headshot countermeasure or someone running FI making the damage jump to insane numbers

[dreamy valve]

Does the 5% dtooc from the grenadier specialization stack from separate players?

[vestal ibex]

All the spec bonuses like this apply to your team mates not you, firewall is 10% amp to enemies within 10m of you as another example and you give it but don't get it yourself. If two specs are in the group they do give it to each other tho.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but if I'm running along two other players that gives a 10% amp, will they multiply with eachother on me?
In any case, getting from 1M to 4M is still a lot of different 1.1x and 1.25x multipliers

[dreamy valve]

Right so do I get 35% dtooc with 7 other players if we all use the same specialization

[vestal ibex]

Most of these just hit the respective multi they belong to. Firewall is considered an amp.

[vestal ibex]

No you'll only get 1 buff per spec.

[dreamy valve]

Oh

[dreamy valve]

Wait the striker shield damage buff doesn’t apply to myself if I’m the user?

[acoustic coral]

@vestal ibex Was more in consideration to this, because if I can make other players get that 300% increase pr. bullet, I'm gunning for it

[vestal ibex]

I'm pretty sure some of the countdown buffs have a bugged interaction and your damage goes crazy. There was a while there were some of us were speculating that damage numbers were for some reason getting combined into one number but it kinda stopped happening in the incursion. CD it still happens so I'm guessing it's a bug with countermeasures.

No matter how you math it out, even if you cherry picked all the countdown buffs and spec/gear set buffs that crap makes NO sense.

[acoustic coral]

Yeaaaah, that's kinda where I'm getting at aswell, damn. Was so ready to break the game for others and just chill in countdown lmao

Guess I'll stick with my BluescreenDilemma, that's pretty nifty for control

[sudden fog]

Gusss

What build do I make now I’m thinking heartbreaker but idk

I have all the basic ones

[hazy steeple]

Red FI.
love that setup for Countdown.

[acoustic coral]

BluescreenDilemma

best 3rd attribute here is DTA, right? since it already has dttoc as 2nd

[hazy steeple]

IIRC firerate/chc is the best stat, depending on what you need.
but dta is almost never a bad choice.

[acoustic coral]

Aaahh, true. Hmm. I've got 47% CHC, 173% CHD. Could consider getting the CHC or Fire rate rather than dta

[hazy steeple]

yeah that chc is a bit low.

honestly id consider swapping some chd to get it closer to 50/60 depending on coyotes.

[waxen herald]

So how does Skill Striker with Waveform and Future Perfect FAMAS sound to yall?

[hazy steeple]

What are your skills with the build? Since waveform transfers from one to the other.

[waxen herald]

Drone and free slot, cus mini turret kinda useless in like Countdown yeah?

I dont think I has ever taken cover in Countdown

[hazy steeple]

any deployable skill is useless in countdown, hunters can hack them to kill you and your team.

[dapper raptor]

CHC/CHD depends on how you use it 🙂

[hazy steeple]

you'll never know pain until you see that SHD 13 bring an artillery turret at tier 6 and just nuke the entire group at extracton.

[flint wave]

Should've been kicked 3 objectives ago

[waxen herald]

Well outside of countdown how about Drone and Turret?

[naive horizon]

Working on a Negos build for boss 2 on Ih and can’t get a flatline/ dmg to targets out of cover m870 for the life of me however I do have one with optimist. Is that good?

[acoustic coral]

Assuming 15-25m buff (which I will most likely have on in countdown):
57% CHC, 183% CHD -> 10.431
If I swap a CHD mod for CHC:
60% CHC, 171% CHD -> 10.260 - ie. overall lower

Pondering whether 5% rate of fire (660rpm -> 693rpm) would be 'better' than 6% dta, which I'm not sure
Might just optimize it tbh

[hazy steeple]

If you aren't sure, might as well try out dta first then see later.

[dapper raptor]

Build looks good IMO (if you are on a spotter build)

[flint wave]

in countdown before extraction I'm more likely to have the 25% crit damage buff

[dapper raptor]

CHD would be your bestie on that build, CHC is there only by "chance"

[acoustic coral]

With more or less half the countdown guys running coyote, I almost always have all 3 buffs lol

[waxen herald]

If you're a gacha player then 60% CHC is basically 100% CHC

Cus that's how it works

[dapper raptor]

Again, chc/chd builds depend on how and what your build is 🙂

[urban latch]

Crit chance is your best option

[urban latch]

As long as you properly and quickly double stack the rav it shouldn't matter, but it is easy to be slightly short on damage, so it is ideal to have flatline and dtooc

[acoustic coral]

Yesn't but that requires the further explanation I forgot to give as context to the specific image.

[naive horizon]

Tyty

Would anyone be willing to help me farm for a Flatline M870? I’d appreciate it.

[rocky rain]

Can you get stars for the Global Event (SHD) outside the challenges as well?

[acoustic coral]

Leveling up

lmao, the trifecta of weird

[gentle lichen]

Reroll skill damage to armor regen

And you got yourself a nice piece for a pvp hsd regen build

[clever merlin]

Or reroll HSD to skill haste for an eclipse build if you have a skill tier to spare

[gentle lichen]

You'll need status not skill damage

[clever merlin]

True either or since you get 10% from Golan already

[gentle lichen]

Why 10% when you can get 20%

[clever merlin]

If you need more skill haste ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle lichen]

Why not skill haste/status

[hexed steppe]

Fire can double dip. Better to have sd and se

There's always enough haste anyways

[devout harbor]

i chose assault turret and striker drone as my first skills and havnt felt like changing since, am i missing out on a better dmg alternative for levelling through the story?

[hexed steppe]

Those are solid for story. When you get through wony to endgame I would look into mortar builds and eclipse

[devout harbor]

cool! ill leave learning diffrent skills to later

[hexed steppe]

Both are in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel 😉

[manic geyser]

Is there a solid website for build advice/ideas?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel. Lots of solid builds with detailed breakdowns.
Also a lot of good builders here that can help perfect a build. Feel free to post up a screen shot of what you're working on

[upper patrol]

Anyone got a template for healer and a tank builds?

[shy willow]

^

[violet smelt]

What's the best 3rd attribute for LMG?

[lyric prism]

damage out of cover usually

[violet smelt]

Dtoc is already in 2nd attribute

[lyric prism]

damage to armor then

like that.

[wise swallow]

Not possible on LMG's

that took forever to send

[lyric prism]

yea

[wise swallow]

I believe its been ROF and CHC

depending on the builds you use

[violet smelt]

Ok thanks guys

[clever merlin]

i like ROF cause you can get chc in other places

ROF is only on weapons or striker

[rich cosmos]

And umbra

[magic pilot]

Chc is the best attribute for all LMGs

[dull ermine]

That’s if you’re going for a pure lmg build otherwise if you’re just slapping it on a build optimized for ARs then I’d go ROF

[magic pilot]

You would still want chc

LMGs are short on chc usually

Most only have 2 mods to run chc

[dull ermine]

That’s just the regular MG5

And classic m60 it seems

[magic pilot]

I'd still roll chc, then you swap the mods for chd on the gun

[rich cosmos]

I thought there were only two chc mod options entirely, is there one I simply don’t know about

[magic pilot]

Muzzle, underbarrel, sight

[rich cosmos]

Which one is the muzzle

[magic pilot]

Depends on the gun

There's a 45, 9mm, 55.6 and 762

[rich cosmos]

Do you know for both 556 and 762

[magic pilot]

Muzzle break 7.62

Muzzle break 5.56

[rich cosmos]

Thx

[magic pilot]

Osprey 45 suppressor

Osprey 9 suppressor

Think that's all of them

[solar sable]

2 Claws out holster just dropped from a cache almost maxed out, should put it in junk?

[tulip charm]

Well whats their roll?

Imo best to keep a hsd or wep handling and then roll the core to weapon damage

[solar sable]

Srry for replying so late, one has hsd and the other one skill haste

[rustic cove]

whats a good smg build to shoot for? im new so i dont got much rn

[onyx sage]

keep the one with hsd

[solar sable]

should I optimise hsd then?

[onyx sage]

yes

and reroll core

[flint wave]

melee trolling arc

[solar sable]

oke, ty

[gentle lichen]

What good is it for when dodge city can be used?

[onyx sage]

imo none

but it is a unicorn nonetheless

[gentle lichen]

Memento high end regulus build?

[onyx sage]

eh i'd put providence there

memento would carry the weapon damage after trophies

[wheat anchor]

Dodge city holster is very situational

Can be useful in a raid build

[gentle lichen]

Huh

[wheat anchor]

Determined headshot build

• regulus is one I've seen

[gentle lichen]

This guy called dodge city situational

[wheat anchor]

Depends on the content

[gentle lichen]

It performs very well in most if not all

[wheat anchor]

If Im real I kinda forgot I had it lmao

[gentle lichen]

Even pvp

[wheat anchor]

Completely random drop from a control point npc

[gentle lichen]

You can put that on dps build and whip it out anytime you encounter something unexpected

[hazy steeple]

After the Project of course.

[wheat anchor]

I never crafted it to my knowledge

Probably unlocked the blueprint and forgot about it

[hazy steeple]

You get one on completion of the Project, and once you get the BP it's added to your loot pool for that character.

[wheat anchor]

Honestly idk

Probably deconed it at some point

[hazy steeple]

This isn't a question, I'm telling you how Project Exotics work.

[wheat anchor]

Then got it from a control point

[wheat anchor]

Yeah ik

Idk what I did with my original crafted one then lol

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't super matter, unless it was a godroll there's no specific reason to keep that copy.

[wheat anchor]

True

[hazy steeple]

That being said, if you do get a Project Exotic as a loot drop whilst in a group, offer it to low SHD players and tell them to "pay it forward".
Best way to encourage players to retain is to give them a good experience.

[acoustic coral]

Or teach them a lesson, drop it on the ground and then deconstruct it from the ground 😈

[silver lark]

wait if you already have stuff like the regulus/eagle bearer/etc is it farmable and thus shareable outside of their source missions?

[fallen comet]

no

[silver lark]

pain

[fallen comet]

raid and incursion exclusives arent

[wheat anchor]

Especially if someone lost one of those to the exotic reroll bug

Friend of mine lost an expertise 20 EB

[pastel pasture]

is there a chunga build?

Like Machinegun chunga walk out with alot of armor and health, and mowing agents down(not pvp build, but for Pve)

[hazy steeple]

The kinda issue with just standing out in the open with an LMG is that well, you can never be tanky enough to just stand there and take shots, you have to use cover and play smart.
During some of the GE's (global events) you can do some pretty crazy stuff with your minigun, but that's about where it ends.

If you are okay with swapping the LMG for an AR+shield, a Striker build is pretty good for just pure killing power, but even then: smart play and not just Heavy from td2.

[rich lotus]

Would a build like this be worth making for the funs?

7.0% armor regen

[acoustic coral]

That is an interesting fantasy for a build design though. If we could become heavies.

[pastel pasture]

I kno right, I had the idea while facing a chunga with the bullet king.

[gentle lichen]

Pitiful damage

[acoustic coral]

Unless you get PFE, the armor and regeneration won't help you enough on heroic

[acoustic coral]

If the specialisation get their rework it could be a fantasy

[rich lotus]

Keep in mind that these stats are prob outdated

[rich lotus]

Though the regen would somewhat keep up with the damage

[pastel pasture]

i was thinking of the 6blue core/6yellow core thing going around youtube, and tryna janga some pieces around

all with Elite mods, you should be able to tank somthing,

[rich lotus]

What's a build that is on subpar with Hotshot Chainkiller on heroic?

Getting tired of only 1 shotting everything but idk if there's any other build that will make it fun to play without it being sniper

[gentle lichen]

Headhunter's fury and regulus

[onyx sage]

*on par, and you have regulus headhunter

or headhunter's fury with m870

a bit harder but really strong

[gentle lichen]

To maintain headhunter only 1 pellet needs to hit head and the rest can hit body?

[onyx sage]

i think so yeah, one pellet needs to hit head. but then only the pellet that hits head gets its damage captured by headhunter for next shot

[rich lotus]

I only now finished doing at least 20-30 DH runs still have to dip into IH

[rich lotus]

Will try that

[onyx sage]

regulus is a guaranteed drop after you do IH a few times

you'll love it

[rich lotus]

How much does it resemble a sniper

[rich lotus]

Everyone says that about it

[rich lotus]

Does it have to be specifically with the m870?

[onyx sage]

it's a pistol, so it's rather hard to land shots compared to a sniper but can be done, optimal range also hits it harder so you really want to use regulus in close to mid range

[onyx sage]

yes, because with headhunter you want highest base damage and m870 gives that

[tawdry flare]

It's just depends on player ik some crazy players who only do IH

[rich lotus]

And for secondary

I'm taking this is a very aggressive close range build

[tawdry flare]

3 weapon: M870 a sniper and regulus

[onyx sage]

depends, you can do another m870 or a sniper

[onyx sage]

yes, absolutely, balls to the wall aggressive

[tawdry flare]

You can do double M870

[rich lotus]

Do you have to be dodging around cover to not get plastered on a wall by the npcs or can you manage well by just running up to them and using the shotty?

[onyx sage]

just to give you an idea: #td2-build-advice message

[tawdry flare]

You basically have to stay in NPCs face but the reward is

[onyx sage]

this is just using the regulus but the m870 is just getting a bit closer and firing slower

[rich lotus]

Regulus is nuts lol

I'll prob eventually head to IH to get it

[tawdry flare]

M870 is just busted you can do crazy stuff with it

That regulus struggles with

In some scenarios

[onyx sage]

yeah regulus hits enough for the most common enemies but m870 is what you use if you just want a little bit more damage. for example, regulus can't reliably crack chunga helmet in legendary without buffs, but m870 can

[gentle lichen]

Regulus has a special crosshair that has a dot in the middle which helps aiming for heads with it

[tawdry flare]

Also the dogs

Regulus is one of the best designed weapon in the game

[rich lotus]

Oh this build can be used in lego too?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

yes, the clip i showed is in legendary

it's one of the top speedrunning builds, even if not for speedrunning it just clears very fast

[tawdry flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oJYA6Xw_zE

Just requires practice

And courage to stand in chungas face

[rich lotus]

Even using it in a 4man group

[rich lotus]

I already do that enough lol

But not courage just stupidity

[tawdry flare]

Regulus struggles a bit on 4 person but M870 won't

[onyx sage]

so on one hand you have sniper build which is headhunter but further back and more methodical, on the other you have headhunter's fury which is as aggressive as you can get

both are headhunter variants

[tawdry flare]

Make sure you are at 150% headshot dmg though

[rich lotus]

Will prob take a look on it, but if I don't have regulus atm I should prob stick to using the m8 more right

[tawdry flare]

You can use M870 with pummel with that you don't even have to reload and use a d50 pistol as the substitute

[dull ermine]

Is intimidate still dead? It looks like they didn’t change anything from the nerf

[onyx sage]

intimidate got a huge buff in stacking speed

and a very small damage buff (43% vs 40%)

[upper patrol]

Playing HH build, what pistol can i use to play with Pistolero? That is not regulus 👀

[gentle lichen]

They did though

[tawdry flare]

It's amazing to use rn

[onyx sage]

d50

[tawdry flare]

D50

[tawdry flare]

You can use gunner specialization

[gentle lichen]

You can use either determined or salvaged as talent

[rich lotus]

I just use gunner

[dull ermine]

Oh okay the source I was looking at still showed 1 stack per second for total of 9 stacks

[rich lotus]

Or hotshot 4 pieces optimized if sniper

[dull ermine]

4% damage per stack?

[onyx sage]

3 stacks per second, 9 stacks (normal); 10 stacks (perfect) now

4% damage per stack, exponentially stacking

[rich lotus]

Also care to share your hunters build?

[onyx sage]

so 1.04^9 or 1.04^10

[rich lotus]

Just hunters, hh, m8, deagle (until regulus), 150% HS

[dull ermine]

So is the ad rush + intimidate meta for HF?

[rich lotus]

What backpack

[onyx sage]

you can look at the sheet by raucey: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c/bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[dull ermine]

I’ve been running memento and obliterate for smg but I wanna run shotguns

[onyx sage]

memento for solo, d&h backpack with vigilance if you want more damage

[rich lotus]

Oh he has ouro in there too

[dull ermine]

I was thinking vanguard + wicked (status effects from disorient)

[onyx sage]

pretty much if you're skilled enough

[rich lotus]

Is it good for hunters?

[onyx sage]

yeah there are 2 variants, crit and hh

[rich lotus]

I see

[onyx sage]

the link should have both

[rich lotus]

But hh superior I take it?

[onyx sage]

hh is stronger but has higher skill floor

[tawdry flare]

In most cases yes

It won't work on like 0.1% content though

[dull ermine]

What headhunter?

[onyx sage]

ye

[upper patrol]

3 directives 650k for a control point holy shit

Any improvment here? Still need to do IH for the mats

[rich lotus]

What's the threshold to get a level after you get the watch

[rich lotus]

Personally I like to use pulse

[upper patrol]

Will try, but need points

[rich lotus]

So is it overkill to have it more than 150% HS?

[onyx sage]

usually yes

[onyx sage]

also drop punch drunk for HF mask

wait no i'm mistaken

i thought this is HF variant. but drop punch drunk still

you want weapon damage brands, headhunter scales with weapon damage better than hsd

[rich lotus]

So what other stat should I go for

Handling?

[upper patrol]

i see

[onyx sage]

yes

[patent fossil]

If you add a hotshot mask you can easily run 5 directives, you'll still have more than enough damage (especially solo).
The named pistol isn't really worth it, better with a d50 or similar.

[onyx sage]

for HF variant, you'll be hitting 150% hsd barely with m870, and you want to do that without using providence ideally

[upper patrol]

enemies with helmet drive me off and i sometimes die 😄 with all directives i would get shreded over and over again i think

[patent fossil]

Most enemies with helmets are quite easy to just headshot again, like hyena rushers or ts heavy gunners, their movement patterns are simple

[rich lotus]

All gear on HS and only 1 needs to have a weapon handling then 1 HS as weapon mod and it gets at 150%

[upper patrol]

It's a skill issue 😄 still learning the HS ropes, i usually just go SMG and brrrr at them

[onyx sage]

it's when you use memento that you'll hit 150% hsd barely

[rich lotus]

Ohhh

[tawdry flare]

This includes 20% from watch too

[onyx sage]

on high end builds you have the extra attribute that makes it comfier

[upper patrol]

btw what is HF variant?

[onyx sage]

i was meaning the headshot variant of HF

[rich lotus]

Hunters fury

[onyx sage]

HHF (headhunter's fury)

[upper patrol]

What is the main difference between that and mine? hotshot

[patent fossil]

You can also just focus your attention on outcasts and bt when farming as only their heavies have helmets

[upper patrol]

This is what i am doing atm

[rich lotus]

It's 2 different gearsets

Hunter's Fury / Hotshot

[upper patrol]

Yes but the playstyle, what does it change?

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury is aggressive close range

[rich lotus]

A lot really tbh

[upper patrol]

And why one over the other?

[rich lotus]

Bored of sniping

[upper patrol]

oh ok

[rich lotus]

😂

[onyx sage]

HF clears way faster

[upper patrol]

So HFF for close MMR fights, with memento for even more stats correct?

[rich lotus]

I still think hotshot determined chainkiller rules

[rich lotus]

Memento for more survivability

[upper patrol]

You don't use determined on HFF?

[rich lotus]

I think?

[onyx sage]

HHF is a shotgun/pistol build

you can use sniper but only for finishing off the occasional npc that's too far away

the damage is focused on regulus and m870

[rich lotus]

So do people use memento for more survivability mainly?

[upper patrol]

oh lol i thought it was MMR too

[onyx sage]

yes, it gives regen and 2 cores for shield

[upper patrol]

Still worth to use without regu?

[onyx sage]

yes, a bit harder to use but still worth playing

[upper patrol]

may give it a try

[onyx sage]

requires a lot more skill though compared to hotshot because you're in close range

[upper patrol]

I understand thanks 😄 will give it a try later, need to grind a m870

[onyx sage]

but you can do it with practice, i've been there, i still haven't tired myself out yet

[upper patrol]

Another questions, is there a BiS MMR for the Hotshot + Determined build?

I am using Determined + Perfect vigilance + Perfct Headhunter if that changes something

Using m700 bcs it was the first one i got with good stats tbh

[patent fossil]

Not exactly, model 700 gives max damage but others like sr-1 have better handling and reload while still doing enough damage

You'd probably want to swap your backpack for an airaldi one with regular vigilance btw

[upper patrol]

ah i see, does handling affect the crosshair closing time? That is the only thing i dislike about the build

[patent fossil]

Yeah I think stability is what speeds up the aim in time

[upper patrol]

Why? This one got some good stats

kinda 😄

[patent fossil]

Because weapon damage buffs improve max hh stack size but hsd doesn't

It's not a huge difference though

[upper patrol]

Is there a specific set for weapon damage base?

[onyx sage]

airaldi, 2p habsburg

[upper patrol]

I will check the excel, bothering you guys a lot lol

[upper patrol]

thanks 🙂

[patent fossil]

One of these days I've promised myself I'm going to do a wony run purely for the materials to craft myself those Hapsburg unicorns. 7k scav points should prove sufficient.

[upper patrol]

No idea what you talking about xD

I've been playing this game for a metric ton of time this last month, still know fuck all about it

WHo needs to work anyway

[patent fossil]

2pc hapsberg (chest and backpack) is the best setup but it drops with blue core so you have to find ones with hsd, handling and the right talent in order to recalibrate the core, they are very rare (hence 'unicorn')

[upper patrol]

yikes got it

I think i will go in this order:
MMR > Chest + BP

Just need to find a good MMR, preferably the one with best handling lol

[rich lotus]

I rock with the .308

Although to start on goldies you might need a secondary with higher damage

I just use nemesis which is a guaranted kill all the time and can be used to 1 tap bosses too

[patent fossil]

Yeah Chainkiller and airaldi is not far behind in damage and way easier to farm, hapsburg is a long term dream

[upper patrol]

in Canada?

[patent fossil]

Auto correct

[upper patrol]

LMAO

yeah i got it ahah

[upper patrol]

2x Airaldi?

So let me see if i got this straight for a starter point,
Switch my helmet with Hotshot, change backpack with Airaldi

[patent fossil]

That would be my recommendation personally, yeah

[upper patrol]

will give it a try, won't kill me grind on countdown

[rich lotus]

Ouro having +31 chc always messes with my brain

[upper patrol]

lol i think it is funny i can run everyhting with crit damage and don't even worry about crit chance

[rich lotus]

It messes with me when making a build that would take 2 weapons as alternates

Like ouro close distance/famas long distance

[rocky rain]

With the Stars from the SHD Global Event, what do people generally buy? Is it worthwhile to buy Exotic cashes or do you only get stuff you already have?

[tardy flame]

most people buy exo caches to deconstruct
exo components are always needed

[ancient dune]

you can compensate for it with 3 crit chance mods and coyotes it's not so bad

[silver lark]

if I missed Catharsis from a few seasons back, can I only get it from exotic caches?

[strange wigeon]

depends, if you dont have all random exotics yet, buy exotic caches. Using stars for components isnt really worth it, unless you really need them.
Buy legacy caches for SC etc. or named caches for other DZ exclusives. Legacy caches especially, because you cant buy them with Countdown credits

[ancient dune]

it'll drop from mask targeted loot too

[rich lotus]

Depends on what people need the most and if not then prob exo

[rocky rain]

Thanks. So they do give all Exotic stuff?

I had the impression they only give what you already have

[rich lotus]

Random+ whatever random exos you already gotten, besides Raid/DZ locked stuff

[upper patrol]

striker?

late reply, was in a meeting lol

[rich lotus]

Nah I was messing around with the CHC hunter's

But yeah I usually use it on striker too if I don't fancy shotguns

[upper patrol]

on my striker i run oro + shot for stacks

but wanted to have a good DPS shotty for close range shenanigans on countdown 😄

[rich lotus]

I don't run shotgun if ouro

[upper patrol]

using this

[rich lotus]

Ouro itself farms stacks like razy lol

[upper patrol]

hm but it's faster with shot i think

[rich lotus]

Like by about 20% max 30%

I just dump 1-2 mags of ouro

[upper patrol]

i see

[rich lotus]

And i'm like half or maybe more than half

On stacks

Usually I run ouro/Famas with measured, Striker + GS obliterate, or for insane damage Perfect GC/ striker chest + Fox's knee

Having ouro for armored things and famas for health based enemies is nice

[rich lotus]

Lefty is also very handy, I have one with 10% fire rate and the talent itself is nice. Although I'll prob go back to rock n roll once they fix it

[upper patrol]

you got that crazy dmg build at hand by any chance?

[rich lotus]

With glass cannon?

[upper patrol]

my striker armor build is meh

[rich lotus]

It's a full red I use sometimes but mega high skill ceiling or you'll just be throwing lol

Give me a bit

I'll give you the 2 variants

[upper patrol]

bet

ius the perfect GC from a named armor?

[rich lotus]

Doesn't need to be but I use it

Lazy to farm another piece when this one is 100%

[rich lotus]

This one I use when either feeling goofy or Big damage but cant' farm stacks (It does around same damage as a striker with 180-190 stacks)

This is big damage if you CAN keep stacks above 150

[rich lotus]

Fox's can also be swapped to contractors if you know it's a place filled with armored enemies and less dogs/chungs

But all around the safest strikers will always be striker + coyotes + Ceska/GS with obliterate

I guess sokolov/fenris also works

Also the famas I like measured to farm stacks from long range but optimist might be better damage wise

[hexed steppe]

Strained better

[rich lotus]

Than optimist too?

[hexed steppe]

Yes, unless running a bunch of armor cores

[rich lotus]

Weapon damage > CHD no?

[hexed steppe]

Optimist is better with armor as its additive with the red cores and diminishing returns

[rich lotus]

Ah fair

[hexed steppe]

Same with wd brands. Better to stack crit or dta/dttooc when all red

[upper patrol]

gotcha ty

I guess proficiency is a must have asap? like 25% extra damage is crazy

[rich lotus]

Well

[hexed steppe]

Also additive with red cores

[rich lotus]

Can't really be asap

[hexed steppe]

But it does help a bit

[rich lotus]

Yep

Better with than without is the saying

[urban latch]

Ceska will be slightly better than those

[rich lotus]

Why's that

[hexed steppe]

Expertise upgrades are not a rush thing, and wont make or break a build

[rich lotus]

Not when ouro is involved at least

Messes your chc up

Ceska and as many CHD as possible on gears alongside CHC and you still go over limit so best to just go GS

Will prob depend if you use famas or ouros more than one another and you dont mind ouro being at 69% chd for famas to be 53%

[serene flare]

Does the Swap Speed attribute affect swapping both two and from the weapon, or is it just swapping to the weapon?

[rich lotus]

General swapping

[serene flare]

Good, thanks

[rich lotus]

What you using it for? Just curious lol

[serene flare]

I really like using deagles and idiot me, for some reason, decided to only keep one with Swap Speed that I put Finisher onto. I figured that Swap Speed could be a decent thing to have if I'm moving over to get a quick kill to boost my crit stats up

It's more just cope about how stupid I am with inventory management lol

[rich lotus]

Meh the fun of div is always trying new things

It's a shame that some stats are purely visual and doesn't affect that much and therefore not worth actually using it

[rich lotus]

I think handling is better though

If it does give swap speed, I can't remember

Goldfish memory

10% accuracy/stability/reload/swap

Is it still that?

[serene flare]

I think so?

[rich lotus]

Now I'm unsure if weapon swap is actually global swap or just weapon

🧠

[ancient dune]

ceska should put you at 63% with 3% overcap no?

assuming close range coyote buff it's better than grupo

you might have a crit chance roll somewhere that you can change to damage

[upper patrol]

Changed to SR-1 and holy shit what a difference, way faster reload and way lower aim down time

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah you're right I had 1 extra on the backpack

But still 3% over

Med/long distance kills with coyote's will be a pain

[ancient dune]

despite the 3% overcap it's slightly better than grupo

it's so close that it's kinda a moot point though

but it does bring the crit rate of your two weapons closer together

[rich lotus]

True that

Actually now that I think about it makes more sense yeah

Ouro kills means more CHD which is what you need

And if Famas kills means 10-25% more chc

With gs

[ancient dune]

you'd still want to bump your chc up by 6% for the grupo setup

[rich lotus]

Is it that necessary though? aren't you pretty much always gonna have 10+ extra chc from coyotes

I'm not always at kissing distance from enemies

[ancient dune]

but would you use your ouro if the enemy is more than 15m away

[hexed steppe]

Oreo you're more likely to be close buff

[ancient dune]

at that distance I'd pull the famas out

[rich lotus]

Pretty much what I mentioned here then lol

[ancient dune]

ya hence you'd push your ouro as close as possible to the 60% threshold

[rich lotus]

Welp time to farm for a ceska

Maybe I was just findign a way to not having to farm another piece

🥹

[ancient dune]

😔 that is how it is

to be fair, it's such a small difference you could definitely get away with it

[glossy scarab]

with any smg, being as close to 60% as possible should always be the case

[rich lotus]

Got fenris, skolov, providence gruppo but no ceska

[ancient dune]

genuinely like a <0.5% difference

basically nothing in practice

[rich lotus]

All about that min max on div

That's pretty much what end game is

[ancient dune]

it is true

[vestal ibex]

Also it depends on how well you utilize the setup, don't swap when coyotes changes from short to mid and boom nothing matters at all.

[rich lotus]

Well I usually swapped depending on enemy distance/ armor type

Health based or armor

[ancient dune]

main benefit of ceska would be that your famas would be super close to the 60% mark too for most the ranges you'd be using it in which should be a decent gain over the old situation

plus a ceska piece is useful in a lot of different builds so you may as well get one

[rich lotus]

Idk how that flew over my head that ouro means more 0-15m proc on coyote

[rich lotus]

Yep thats also another reason why

[rich lotus]

I always thought that like having lower chc is not that biggy since I get plenty of kills with famas from long distance

With ceska it will make the third status from coyotes useless though

The 25% chc

[ancient dune]

25m is getting close to the limit of famas' optimal range anyway

[magic pilot]

Get your healer to run coyotes and shoot 1 time lol

[tawdry flare]

Get Elmo for long range

[magic pilot]

Nah

Deconstruct that rq

[rich cosmos]

Correct me if Im wrong

But doesn’t the now buffed obliterate just completely overshadow glass cannon

[versed summit]

Glass still has 100% uptime. So no. Also it doesn’t work in every build or for every weapon that Glass does.

[vestal ibex]

Obliterate didn't get buffed damage wise tho?

[onyx sage]

or stacking speed

[flint wave]

if ur using automatic gun the duration buff doesn't mean a damn thing

[rich cosmos]

It had its length buffed

[versed summit]

More of a QOL thing than a buff to make it better than Glass Cannon

[rich cosmos]

Idk personally glass cannon seems less useful to me now

[versed summit]

Just depends on what you’re using it for.

[vestal ibex]

That is not a damage buff?

[versed summit]

Tbf they didn’t mention damage

[vestal ibex]

Eh but how could you overshadow something if damage didn't get increased.

[versed summit]

Intimidate is more damage than Glass. It doesn’t overshadow glass.

[vestal ibex]

Bonus armor rip

[versed summit]

Damage isn’t the only factor for that

[vestal ibex]

Damage is all I care about, it's my love.

[torpid gulch]

1K hour needed to get everything. 💪

[sudden fog]

What’s bluescreen

[patent fossil]

Exotic lmg

Benefits from tagging multiple enemies, much like nego

[sudden fog]

Is it open world drop

[patent fossil]

Yup

[naive horizon]

What vest is that!? That’s fire.

[torpid gulch]

That west is from one of the past Appareal Event's. It's called ''Dark Path''.

[naive horizon]

Oh so it’s not obtainable anymore?

[torpid gulch]

You can still acquire it by purchasing it for Premium Credits.

[naive horizon]

What’s the outfits name?

[torpid gulch]

Weaver.

[naive horizon]

Thank you

I’m assuming if you can get that can you still get the striker apparel?

Want the blue glasses

[torpid gulch]

Striker one you can't, because it was an exclusive at one season like ''Menpo Uniform'' was.

[naive horizon]

Ohhhhh

Okay. That’s unfortunate then.

[torpid gulch]

Well, we can hope they bring it back on any upcoming seasons.

[naive horizon]

Have they done that with other items?

[torpid gulch]

Not sure.

[naive horizon]

Shit dude I really want the full coverage mask

But that was a 20$ currency bundle item

[torpid gulch]

I believe they will do it at some point, because I saw a lot of people wants it who didn't get it.

Including myself. I want striker so badly ngl 😄

All I want is that helmet 😄

[naive horizon]

The only face mask/ helmet I want is the Full coverage

But as stated before that was a bundle exclusive like the art deco mask

[torpid gulch]

Also they could add it to store for a limitied time to buy, but there's small chance for that right now, because their plan is now release Keener's and other Rogue Agent's outfits.

[naive horizon]

Yeah

Wait you mean like the featured thing?

[torpid gulch]

When you go into the store there is Dragov's outfit bundle and under it you can see ''Limited Time''

[naive horizon]

Ohhhhh

Okay, I was thinking of the featured tab. The one with the Acs-12 skin last night.

[torpid gulch]

IMO they should add striker's fit in the Store Exclusives section.

[naive horizon]

I only want it for the glasses

My buddy has a Operator (legendary stronghold black tusk outfit) with full coverage mask and I’m obsessed

[torpid gulch]

That's the thing. There would be seperate items and you could choose which one you want to buy. 😉

[torpid gulch]

White one? 😄

[naive horizon]

That’s his fit

And I fckn love it

I have everything but the mask

[torpid gulch]

The outfit is clean ngl. I have one myself. 😄

[naive horizon]

Yeye

I do too

Been learning Boss 1 & 2 neg for ih since I finally got my Rav

[torpid gulch]

Here's how I put everything #divashion message

[naive horizon]

Stacking is a bit confusing bc of how fast you shoot with fire rate but I’m getting there

[bright raptor]

The Striker outfit was free with the first post-WONY season and its rerun during the filler year before the new seasons started happening, but this is indeed #divashion material. You had to log in during the seasons to get it and they haven't made it or any other gearset cosmetics available in the store, even with how much time has passed

[naive horizon]

Oh

Do you think there’s any hope of the Full coverage mask making a return @bright raptor

[torpid gulch]

I still can't get myself to do Raid. Only exclusive item I have is Ouroboros 😄

[naive horizon]

I love Oro

[bright raptor]

not especially so

[naive horizon]

Hm?

[bright raptor]

if you want to you can try other, smaller Division 2 communities like GCRock's, those guys have raid runs open to newbies fairly regularly

[torpid gulch]

Yeah, it's one of the weapons in the right now.

[torpid gulch]

I'm alright I have my clan which helped me with Incursion. It's just I have a lot of other things to do in the game right now 😄

Thank you anyways!

[naive horizon]

Yo @bright raptor sorry for the bother so basically your saying it’s not likely

[bright raptor]

yes

[naive horizon]

Has it happened to other bundle exclusives?

[bright raptor]

the Gameology outfit is available for premium credits, but that's the only exception I can think of

[naive horizon]

No way that was a 20$ currency bundle exclusive 💀

[dull ermine]

For FI, repair skills or skill haste for attributes?

[glossy scarab]

gameology outfit is so not worth any money

[glossy scarab]

yep. repair skills and haste mods is common

[dull ermine]

Okay

I was thinking haste lol I didn’t know

Someone said the talent enough is overkill

[glossy scarab]

you can roll one or two pieces with haste if you want

i think my build has at least one FI rolled to haste rather than repair

[flint wave]

I would recommend majority of it has skill haste since just from fi and 6 skill tiers your healing is already pretty overkill on 99% of builds

[glossy scarab]

yeah true. mostly you're healing team mates with all red builds

[flint wave]

doesn't even need to be all red as long as it isn't a tank

[dull ermine]

So skill haste over repair skills for the chem right

Or like 3 and 3

[flint wave]

I have skill haste attributes on all my fi pieces and can put in repair skill mods if I feel like it

[dull ermine]

That’s a cool idea

[dreamy valve]

I bought other games like Helldivers 2 instead of store cosmetics

[glossy scarab]

you like it? i was thinking about maybe considering possibly getting it. allegedly

[hazy steeple]

The only cosmetic stuff really worth getting is the Season Pass, since it includes so much for such a small cost, plus all those excess crates are nice.

[lyric prism]

so ty people who helped yesterday on the dz build I sort of have built. I got bored last night, tried it out and about 20 minutes into DZ West farming something tried to kill me while at half armor. I'm guessing someone as good as I am bc they did damage but not a lot. The landmark boss was right next to me so I banshee pulsed said other person and dropped the decoy at their feet and ran.

butt the armor regen seemed to work. I wish it had more staying power.

wooo pvp...

[glossy scarab]

cool. how much regen is on the build?

[sacred raven]

where i get expertise cost data after update ?

[lyric prism]

actually do the expertise stuff?

if doing without the table just bring up your inventory and hit M

the expertise menu will show. same window and setup as before.

[naive horizon]

I just started about a month ago and I’m pressed I missed the Full coverage mask

[hazy steeple]

They're asking about the cost before and after the update, since it was halved for Resolve.

@naive horizon You can actually get a very similar affect by using certain gearmask appearances+eye coverings.
True Patriot appearance is a good place to start.

[naive horizon]

Yeh I think that’s the one I’m using now

[hazy steeple]

I think the devs knew people would want to do this since TP has multiple colour options.

[naive horizon]

What’s up?

Ohhh

Nvm

[lyric prism]

ty local.

[vestal ibex]

FYI it's 7 more exo comps to hit 25 as this chart shows the stopping point at 24.

[rich lotus]

Is there a sheet somewhere saying what is being sold on the map? I need healing mod for chem launch that I accidentally deleted 🥹

[pastel pasture]

@vestal ibex is there an updated sniper resolve dmg comparision list? (this one has behind u but the % was changed on update) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ybgv17xh_iTHb0ez_CwMME9vUvn-_V6nzQALojk66bs/edit#gid=0

[vestal ibex]

@ancient dune might have a more recent updated list. Is there anything specifically you are trying to accomplish?

[pastel pasture]

just trying to see other options on mmr talents I could use besides determined, and i dont really have max stats or weapons to see the dmg numbers

[lyric prism]

Ranger is always my go to but the damage drops a lot.

[pastel pasture]

behind you works well if you dont have aggro, Legendary seems to be everyone gets aggro 80% of the time so that buff doesnt really feel up all the time. I may be wrong on it tho

[lyric prism]

btw this is fun

not as burning as the exuro/shock trap/explosive delivery chest noise but fun.

[hexed steppe]

Add cap in place of test subject and get 12% dta with the 60% skill damage

[rich lotus]

Putting together a striker ninja bike hybrid, would you rather have fox's prayer for the DTOOC and the 20% accuracy (the rifle damage bonus is useless im planning on using capacitor), or the 3 piece brazo bonus for 50% mag size

[hexed steppe]

But yeah mortar builds are great

[rich lotus]

@hexed steppe does explosive delivery work with each individual shock trap? 😛

[hexed steppe]

Neither. Should run striker bag for best damage, or if you really want to hybrid it use memento.
The 30% skill efficiency from memento is 30% all skill buckets

[hexed steppe]

No, it works where the initial bundle lands

[rich lotus]

Can't get 5/5 without ninjabike tho, its a hybrid shield tanky build in my head. 5 red 5 yellow tier 5 artificer tier 6 shield

[hexed steppe]

Your shield health scales with efficiency, same with artificer.
Ninja you just lose more than you can gain if we are being honest

[rich lotus]

i wasnt aware skill efficiency did anything for the shield, if thats the case thanks for the info

[hexed steppe]

Skill health relates to shield health directly

[rich lotus]

is it 30% of base shield health or 30% of tier'd health

[hexed steppe]

So i use something like this. Car door on no memento stacks is around 9.8mil, with full stacks it's over 12mil

[rich lotus]

cause i swear my regular foundry tank with memento pistol build doesnt really do anything for the shield i just like the damage bonus

[hexed steppe]

Artificer jumps from 48% to 58% repair (no stacks - full mem stacks)

[rich lotus]

isnt that less that the 20% it jumps each skill tier tho

my bad wrong stat nm

[hexed steppe]

So you'll want to balance the damage with the gain on skill side. If you're just supporting a shield you wont need all the skilltiers. Cap will do more damage on red cores regardless of its talent

So like 6r with whatever free yellow cores you can manage will see higher damage

Also mem gives 30% wd (2r cores) , 3%regen.
And short pickups also give the wd and efficiency further boosting

It's really overlooked as a hybrid piece. I'll just say try it both ways before you pump a ton of resources either way

[dull ermine]

The firewall tactical link where Allies gain 10% damage to enemies near you … does that apply if someone else is running firewall but are near another enemy?

[rich lotus]

I guess it depends on what one is going for, its not supposed to be a red build its more of a high skill tier (for artificer shield or actual damage skills) with pewpew damage, and striker 4 piece with chest is the highest damage potential for that

[onyx sage]

neither, it is its own multiplier, additive to other sources of shield health

which means it's stronger than both

[rich lotus]

@onyx sage interesting ill check that out next time i run summit with my foundry build, but seat of the pants i dont notice any increase in shield health at full stacks, the damage is definitely noticeable tho

[hexed steppe]

Well, if doing shield and artificer you're gonna need to be doing damage with your weapon...
If going for damageing skills and have a bit of teeth memento will still be stronger. Turrets/drones will benefit sd , haste, duration. Fire/explosive skills will benefit sd se(if it can double dip) haste

You'll trade all that for ninja that will give what in reality... a free yellow core from Brazos and maybe magsize or accuracy (according to the original request)

[glossy scarab]

you could use future perfect to buff your shield and not lose that much damage. even tho I really dont like mechanical animal but with it maxed out and expertised its damage is good enough and you can have at least a 4 tier shield on an all red build. 6 tier if you have memento.

[hexed steppe]

That's where I'm at on what I posted as well. Shield can take a real beating at that level.

[glossy scarab]

yea strikers and mechanical animal with a shield can make things very easy for you

[hexed steppe]

Could use fp on preferred weapon as well.

[glossy scarab]

yup

[hexed steppe]

I should pop that on an mmr with what I use

[glossy scarab]

yea its super helpful even to have the 3 skill tiers

too bad scalpel is sucks

[hexed steppe]

Regular version will still oc on skill tier 3? I think I remember a couple of you guys saying that.

[glossy scarab]

only if you have 3 sts already

[hexed steppe]

Gain 3 then an oc

[glossy scarab]

yep

[hexed steppe]

Ok perfect

[lime quarry]

What talent should be used on a shotgun

[hexed steppe]

Mine is mem , yellow picaros , tech class so I got my 3

[lime quarry]

Acs 12

[hexed steppe]

Is it just for stacking striker/hb

[lime quarry]

Ya

And to kill

I am running striker