td2-build-advice

[serene flare]

Yeah, the MMR damage is better than the HSD

[hazy steeple]

The "specific weapon damage" isn't actually the full amount, since it scales off base before any cores are added.

Although in this case it might act weirdly with Headhunter/Determined setups, I'm not certain.

[serene flare]

I stopped using Determined lol
It just got a little too boring for my taste

[hazy steeple]

There's that page on Headhunter linked in the spreadsheet, check that out, it should list stuff.

[limpid pagoda]

is this good?

[lyric prism]

whats the 3rd attribute.

that is the one you want to be damage out of cover.

[limpid pagoda]

its not

[onyx sage]

get to rerolling until you get that

[limpid pagoda]

okay thx

[fresh grove]

Thinking mag size

[limpid pagoda]

yeah

[fresh grove]

I was right

[limpid pagoda]

stabilty now..

[hybrid ravine]

keep on going :D

elmo's stability is already good even without it

[limpid pagoda]

yeah

[fresh grove]

My elmo has maxed out ar and health damage, still need to max out dttoc

[limpid pagoda]

now cris damage ugggg

[fresh grove]

Rip

[hybrid ravine]

big ol rip

[limpid pagoda]

RATE OF fire

[fresh grove]

Fr

[limpid pagoda]

bruh again

[hybrid ravine]

i managed to get damage out of cover after one reroll for elmo's

[limpid pagoda]

rate of fire

[fresh grove]

Jealous

[limpid pagoda]

accuracy.......

[lyric prism]

keep going.

[limpid pagoda]

headshot damage...

i will be broke

[lyric prism]

welcome to rolling gear ><

[limpid pagoda]

got it

[hybrid ravine]

nice

[limpid pagoda]

and im broke now lol

[fresh grove]

Favorite it

[hybrid ravine]

^

[lyric prism]

nice

[limpid pagoda]

and now i need to optimaze?

[lyric prism]

ya

[hybrid ravine]

yep

[fresh grove]

Pretty much, should be gucci

[limpid pagoda]

like where i can find the materials bcs im broke now

[fresh grove]

Think control points iirc

[hybrid ravine]

open world activities is ur best friend and random loot

[lyric prism]

get random stuff, salavage random stuff. do open world, clear your control points to call green

[limpid pagoda]

okay thx

[strange wigeon]

Thoughts on using a tamper proof chest in a Seeker + Hive conflict skill build ?

[gentle lichen]

Read the normalised talent description
Then ask the question again

[strange wigeon]

where can I find that

[gentle lichen]

The talent causes disrupt instead of shock

Lots of good that'll do you in pvp

[strange wigeon]

glad that this is openly communicated to the player

[gentle lichen]

It is

In normalised stats

Normalised stats apply in pvp areas

[stiff jasper]

Default key press x on pc to read normalization if I am correct

[strange wigeon]

yeah, Im pretty sure I cant see that when I look up talents in the library

10/10 game design

[torpid gulch]

if you have enough shd levels make new character.

[torpid gulch]

just got in the game and exotic already drops from Open World from Ambusher dude while gathering bleed ammo 😄

forgot how great ongoing directive was-

[worthy notch]

Does Pestilence not proc Vile?

[vestal ibex]

Pest isn't a status effect

Pest is its own thing.

[rich lotus]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwTgtMYAwWCMB2a8FTTAbMuNfL1AFwAsMkAzLJCABzxhZyRP6u6HmUX0WMCsDeM0gE2hcJTKtE6GC1ELoHGJNh4Z6IW23tyK5COypN8nWLgg4YYtbpxyzcjfuV7AnPAHArcDlhsYzobkWAjgHnBeVkQ4SDbe1toRAnIcHAE2CFYY4AgAdO6Y8ISQkDYw+QJYckA

Opinion for general pvp

Keep in my that stats prob won't be accurate due to the site not being updated yet

😂

[pastel pasture]

Does anyone know if I changed to 2 piece hasburg for the hotshot sniper build(backpack and chest) is that more first shot dmg than the airldi WH?

[shy willow]

It's more damage yes

But it's so incredibly painful to farm

And generally not worth it if you're already one shotting everything

[elfin token]

This my gear so far just need to get resources to change chest piece talent to Obliterate

Is this good to go and help other players yet on heroic difficulty yet

[brisk barn]

Brother is SHD 63 with an Oreo 😭

[elfin token]

Why so sad

[brisk barn]

Your CHD is a bit on the lower side

If you plan to use the Oreo it has a lot of base CHC so you can reconfigure your gloves and backpack to CHD

[acoustic coral]

Too much CHC, but else keep grinding and yeah, you're gonna steamroll content

[elfin token]

Not fully optimise yet

[brisk barn]

Your CHC is hard capped at 60 so once you hit that you’re good to go

[acoustic coral]

^ and considering you have both Oreo AND Coyote, you're way over cap

[brisk barn]

With coyote you can even let yourself hit 50~ ish

[elfin token]

What should I do to get chd up

[brisk barn]

And be fine

[hazy steeple]

Just a note: you actually want higher than the usual 50% for coyotes if you are using it with an Ouro, as the Ouro goes for the first buff range, not the 2nd.

so getting it to about 60% is all good.

[elfin token]

So am I okay then

[brisk barn]

Mid range buff still gives CHC right?

[hazy steeple]

Correct, however the Ouro's range is 15m.

[brisk barn]

Is it really that low

[hazy steeple]

it's a vector.

@elfin token you want to make sure you aren't over the cap, try taking off some CHC (crit chance) to check

remember: 60% is the hard cap for chc, so you can easily go over it if you're not careful.

first thing: remove any crit gear mods you have on your backpack/chest/mask

[elfin token]

Is this better

[acoustic coral]

You're at 66,6% right now while having Oreo equipped and no Coyote buff

[elfin token]

Just took off chd mod

[brisk barn]

That’s considering the Oreo is maxed?

[hazy steeple]

CHD mods are fine to run, they won't affect your CHC total %

57% is fine yeah for sure.
Although, that chd is very low.

[acoustic coral]

since he's capped it's close to maxxed

[brisk barn]

Fair enough

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that you may not need that ACS as your secondary, as the Ouro is actually good enough to build stacks on its own.

it's pretty much the only gun that is.

[elfin token]

My Ouroboros stats

[brisk barn]

26 stacks a second

[hazy steeple]

What I've seen a lot of people do with the Ouro as a primary is a longer range secondary for those situations where you just can't get closer.

[brisk barn]

Time to go farm hunters for Shield Splinterer

[hazy steeple]

Actually the build I saw used an AR w/Ranger, of all things.

[acoustic coral]

tbf, using the acs for stacking in LZ content is hardcore min-maxxing - in raids where you can just shoot something invincible before the fight, sure, but on an 8 min heroic mission because you're steamrolling? better off just running the AR / Oreo

[elfin token]

Ok

[brisk barn]

In LZ shotgun might be useful too, you don’t want to be wasting SMG rounds too much

That shit runs out fast

[acoustic coral]

Unless you're running pistolero (which you usually don't on striker anyways) you shouldn't have much trouble

[elfin token]

Switched to an AR secondary

[hazy steeple]

good call on the tkb, nice and accurate for range.
Whats your crit stats on each one now?

[sudden cloak]

We trying to get the most out of the build here?

[hazy steeple]

They're a SHD 32, so with some planning eventually.

[elfin token]

First one is Ouroboros

[sudden cloak]

Alright, 1 sec

[hazy steeple]

more trying to help give good advice for later on. This game is complex AF.

[brisk barn]

I also see that lvl 1 expertise strikers gloves try not to do that 😅

It’s a huge resource dump for little benefit

[hazy steeple]

It however, is hilarious.

jokes aside, deathwash is right, basically its the base gear armour so it just isn't a big boost.

[elfin token]

Ok

[brisk barn]

Deathwash 😔

[hazy steeple]

I keep reading your name as Deathwash Ere, like a 17th century fancy man with a powdered wig.

[sudden cloak]

I've min maxed their build for shd lvl0

[brisk barn]

Not the first not the last

[elfin token]

So get glove without that

[brisk barn]

You can keep it, doesn’t matter

[hazy steeple]

you know that bit in IASIP when they're doing the historical scam? that.

[brisk barn]

Just don’t keep upgrading it

[elfin token]

Ok

[acoustic coral]

Is that like a "hot body wash" but with death?

[brisk barn]

It’s even in my bio
😭

[sudden cloak]

Is that kingbreaker?

[elfin token]

So now just get resources and change chest piece talent to Obliterate and optimise

[elfin token]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

If you maxed out your chd as it currently stands (mods on gear included) what would it be?

[sudden cloak]

If you're good with it's recoil then that's fine

[brisk barn]

By optimising you don’t perhaps mean the in game optimisation right? 😅

[elfin token]

Yes

[brisk barn]

In general it’s best for gear sets like strikers not to optimise and instead recalibrate

[acoustic coral]

except the "hot" is because it's in hell

[elfin token]

With Ouros it will be 100.4% chd

[sudden cloak]

Do you have 2 chc mods?

[brisk barn]

If you want to optimise you will fall down a big rabbit hole of “not enough True Sons Tactical Assestment” that you don’t want to fall down

[acoustic coral]

who even reads discord bios tho

[elfin token]

Just one chance mod

[brisk barn]

I have it there to refer people to

[vivid idol]

any builds for shd exposed?

[elfin token]

Just using one chc mod

And one CHD mod so far

Stats with Ouros

[hazy steeple]

You will eventually get +20% CHD from your SHD watch, so it's going to eventually be better.

and +10% CHC.

[elfin token]

So more Chd and less CHC

[hazy steeple]

Well CHC has the hard cap of 60%, chd has no real cap.

[elfin token]

But CHC above 50%

[sudden cloak]

What I sent is your build min maxed, minus 10% chc and 20% chd

[hazy steeple]

Read on that mask you are using, you see how it has 3 different ranges for your buffs? Ouro works inside the first range.

[brisk barn]

I also want to recommend getting a solokovs piece to hotswap for group content but it’s not needed now

[elfin token]

You mean this

[sudden cloak]

Yeah that

[elfin token]

Ok

[sudden cloak]

Ouro optimal range ends at 15m

Then your dmg will start to drop off hence the AR benefitting from the 2nd and 3rd bonus

[elfin token]

My gear stats is now this

Is this better

[tulip charm]

Its good

[elfin token]

Ok

[tulip charm]

Well atleast you have one of the best dps build one can ask for

Especially a optimized one

[elfin token]

That's not optimised yet

[tulip charm]

Optimized as in a fully working build

[elfin token]

Ok

[sudden cloak]

I would farm control points on challenging or heroic for blueprints so you can get the mods for your weapons making builds easier

[elfin token]

?????? Clueless 😟

Never did this before

[sudden cloak]

If you change your global difficulty to challenging whenever you do a control point you'll get a blueprint and on heroic you'll get 2 blueprints 1 once completed and the other from the chest

[elfin token]

Ok

I just need a good and quick shd leveling farm

[sudden cloak]

For xp I would suggest either a HF build or a hotshot build

[tulip charm]

I wouldn’t worry about farming shd levels until you understand more of the game

[elfin token]

I know the game I never got into gear builds on xbox I was like around shd level 700

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is best seen as a "marathon" game, where it's meant to be played over a loooooong time, not rushed.

[acoustic coral]

#td2-general-chat message

[elfin token]

Was talking to funpolice

[acoustic coral]

Uhm, achtually some people run a marathon a week 🤓

[acoustic coral]

Just pointing you to this as 1000 SHD has less impact than you're lead to believe.
You don't need an exp farm, you need game knowledge

[strange wigeon]

it kinda matters, having +10% CHC for example is the equivalent of having 2 non-perfect CHC mods / attributes. Not having that takes away the spot for 20+% of extra CHD.
Matters less than some other things, but also is a good indicator of how much game knowledge someone has.

[tulip charm]

Uh the chc from watch isnt gonna make or break a build. Its better to have few build min max build before committing to farming shd levels imo.

[acoustic coral]

Tell me you didn't read my linked message without telling me you didn't read it.

[strange wigeon]

nope didnt read it ✨

why read, when you can argue with people for fun ♥️

[acoustic coral]

Why even bother arguing then. As FunPolice said, SHD isn't gonna make a break a (meta) build. Without even having godrolled pieces you can steamroll heroic content with the likes of striker and HH

[shy willow]

Yeah watch is only just adding more power to things that are already quite powerful

[strange wigeon]

ofcourse good builds are still going to be good compared to other builds on the same SHD level

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange wigeon]

nooo we agree 😭 nothing to argue about

[tulip charm]

@tawdry flare leg zoo w/ ge when?

[acoustic coral]

Then why say this when I tell a SHD 62 that he shouldn't focus on grinding xp if we agree and have nothing to argue about.
My power list stands - but I need to add game knowledge to it somewhere.

[tawdry flare]

Later today when are you free

[strange wigeon]

agree about the build part, XP still a great thing to farm imo

[hexed steppe]

Wouldn't shd farming also be gaining game knowledge at the same time? Open world is best xp farm and you can go through a wide variety of activities.

[hexed steppe]

Shd is a horrible indicator of ones game knowledge.
How someone builds is a much better metric to judge someone on.

Inspect some high shd agents and you'll see what I mean

You'll be surprised the garbage some people walk around with.

[sudden cloak]

The amount of builds I wish I could unsee

[silver lark]

any suggestions for a second primary (TWD is a placeholder)? I got the SR1 for long/medium range and liberty+bulwark for close range

[hexed steppe]

Honestly I keep an ar backup on my headhunter. I use elmo because it's a laser and easy to beam heads and utilize the hsd on the build, but obv no an option here since liberty. Any stable ar that you can control will do alright in a pinch... possibly even an m870 shotgun as that will take advantage of HH pretty well

[silver lark]

thoughts on Swap Chain?

I could potentially swap Liberty for a normal D50 and go with St Elmos too

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but usually when people start to consider SHD xp farming - at low SHD - it's because it takes them 45 minutes to complete a mission on heroic that can take 10min to complete without even thinking - and they then blame SHD for the 10% CHC 20% CHD for bricking their build.

[hexed steppe]

I've never used swap, but 400% handling isnt bad. It's worth trying

[acoustic coral]

Which for most meta builds is nice to have not need to have.

[hexed steppe]

So should they be running missions on repeat for half the shd gains? Should they just not farm shd at all? I'm failing to see your point ig...

Open world xp farming is by far best way to get game knowledge, regardless of why you think they are farming the shd.
There is a high chance of having multiple activities converge unexpectedly and test ones ability to react to those changes...

[cedar tapir]

I use scorpio as secondary on a hh build @silver lark

[acoustic coral]

My point being that if you have a striker build, with the correct rolls and talents - not god roll - and you cannot do heroic content in a reasonable time - you shouldn't be blaming not being SHD 1000.
I'm only combating the whole "you can't play the game till SHD 1000" which is wrong

Ie the guy didn't even have obliterate on his chest - he shouldn't be farming SHD

[hexed steppe]

I agree shd means nothing. But new agents not always gonna have absolute meta... farming gear and shd do go hand in hand.
Also we can sometimes fail to remember that the knowledge we gain here is from a lot of people putting in a lot of time. we stand on the shoulders of giants

[covert meadow]

Gm, so yesterday I got owned on the daily, trying to solo pve heroic. The Tombs. I first tryed my hh regulius, then I tryed hunters fury, then the 1 tapping snipe.

I'm level 1262, stats on those builds are maxed, all red, and yet it felt as though my builds had zero effect.

Yea in the open world, for the most part I feel I can handle them, but certain control points and obviously missions the struggle is really tough...

Is there anything I can do to fix this, I have yet to even successfully do 1 solo legendary run?

I also forgot to add strikers in that group of builds.

[urban latch]

What exactly were you struggling with?

[hexed steppe]

When there is a lot of helmets the HH builds are a bit more tricky to keep the buff up.
If you're used to Hf you might try a dps version of it. Or get a decent dps build as a backup

[covert meadow]

@urban latch to me it seems even if I try to strategically maneuver in Cover since there is absolutely no armor except what I get by default, it seems the over run of the enemies form to fast and literally just in gulf me, with no room to recover.

'ie' last night I had the biggest hostage rescue I ever seen, I barely survived. And trufully had I been on any build other than strikers I prolly would lost both hostages as I did lose 1

Yeah @hexed steppe I think that's my issue I gotta break away from these builds and look at a real dps build AR and rifle, or shotty.

[split lagoon]

Are there any gear sets for good DPS builds other than Striker's?

[covert meadow]

And the most success I've had has been using the sniper setup and Scorpio for when I get over ran

[urban latch]

We're you using a regulus HF or standard version? That build should have a fair amount of survivability with the armor on kill and cc it has

[vestal ibex]

If you can manage the kills tho.

[covert meadow]

Ima take a couple pics real quick, I believe it's the one on the site, so it might be standard

[urban latch]

Yes, there are plenty of options. Check out the pinned Google doc, there's a bunch of build guides in there

[covert meadow]

Are yall able to see those @urban latch @hexed steppe ?

[urban latch]

Yeah. Crit is a bit low on the HF, but still, both should be able to handle solo heroic fairly easily. With memento, armor on kill from gunner and HF, T2 crusader and the cc from HF you should have more than enough survivability

Strikers build is solid as well

[covert meadow]

Ok, so ideally on all these Assault style builds my first aim really needs to be 60 cap on chc, then work with damage as I can?

[vestal ibex]

CHC to 60% unless you are building with coyotes mid buff then I'd aim for 50ish %.

[covert meadow]

Ok @vestal ibex 👍

[hexed steppe]

Look into negotiators dilemma. Really good dps set for general use dps.

[covert meadow]

So now I'm full 60 chc on that hf build but now chd says 91% so I'm assuming now gun dmg would have to basically raise the chd? To 100%

[urban latch]

I don't remember off the top of my head what it should be, but it should be a fair amount higher than that

[covert meadow]

Yeah then this build prolly is nor the move, no sense in running it halfed a. Ya know

[urban latch]

Should be able to get over 110% a

I mean it's still enough to take on heroic even if it's not 100% min/maxed

A ceska chest would help you more than the soklov though tbf

[covert meadow]

I think I have 1 to let me look

With intimidate or obliterate?

[urban latch]

Either would work

[covert meadow]

Yup that did it

115% now and 60 chc

Ty

That was the one on striker setup

[urban latch]

With ceska you should be able to get that even higher

[covert meadow]

Hmn I recalibrated a couple pieces from the damage to chance ill convert back

@urban latch 127 now, and added the king breaker instead of the mop shotgun, if I convert in of the other chances it drops that 60 to 57 chc

[urban latch]

If your running gunner than kingbteaker isn't going to give you much benefit

[elfin token]

@hazy steeple finally got my talent on my chest piece

[covert meadow]

What do you recommend with that

Maybe police m4

[vestal ibex]

If running KB, use tech and linked laser pointer. It'll give you 100% uptime of pulsed targets you shoot thus full flatline uptime.

[covert meadow]

Oh ok @vestal ibex
Pulse n crusader shield

[elfin token]

Use striker shield

[covert meadow]

Ok ty

[elfin token]

Are you doing DPS build

[covert meadow]

I'm trying to set up a stronger hf dps build, I got it to 60 chc without coyote and 126 dmg on the chd, but now I'm confused on what special to run and second gun slot @elfin token

To Use striker I would need fire instead of tech

[elfin token]

Can you send pic of gear and weapons

[urban latch]

If your running flatline you'll want the technician spec and pulse attachment. Otherwise you can stick with gunner (or swap to firewall if you want the striker shield) and just run another talent like strained

[elfin token]

This is my build

[covert meadow]

I'd where I'm currently at, also I'm trying to match the weapons that have the proper stat rolls

[vestal ibex]

Flatline with no way to pulse... Interesting play.

[elfin token]

😆 just use it for long range

[flint wave]

kingbreaker is placeholder

[vestal ibex]

Well if that's your case maybe try out police M4 with ranger or strained so you have a usable talent and gun that'll work well with coyotes long buff too.

Also much less recoil vs KB.

[flint wave]

he got elmos everything's fine

[elfin token]

I mostly use Ouro's

[vestal ibex]

lol I looked at the ouro build

I guess it's on both but maybe ACS on elmo build idk, it kinda matters kinda doesn't.

[elfin token]

I need Lefty

😆😆😆

[covert meadow]

Is where I ended up guys

I gotta get the dmg up on the ouro but thats where we at

[vestal ibex]

102k is gud tho.

[flint wave]

Memento with no blues sadge

[hexed steppe]

im wondering why you werent using oreo before

[covert meadow]

I didn't know @fair runecal figured it was just another smg

Do many ppl talk against it on twitch

[vestal ibex]

Jelly people

[flint wave]

nice ping

[covert meadow]

My problem ain't the gun I see, it's the damn twitch streamers

[hexed steppe]

all good

[vestal ibex]

Of course it's all good, it wasn't you lol

[covert meadow]

Smh lol

Seriously Thank you all for the (real knowledge)

[vestal ibex]

The only other knowledge would come with playing cover well and knowing spawns and stuff. Hopefully it'll help keep you off the floor tho.

[tawdry flare]

Just wanted to ask are you sure you aren't overcap

[covert meadow]

Yeah, I think it will be much better now, cause I was using Cover fairly good, it was just when I got in super tight it wasn't pretty, and can see now, with the original setup

[tawdry flare]

You can also use shield more as a offensive skill vs a defensive skill

[covert meadow]

Yeah @tawdry flare I pulled some pieces out to make sure if I remove 1 chc at this point I lose the 60 chc to 57

[elfin token]

That what you want it caps at 60% and 57% is better

[urban latch]

No point in more tbh

[covert meadow]

Man I have so much to learn

So by dropping to 57 it will boost me

[limpid pagoda]

And what’s a high lvl

[covert meadow]

In the chd department

[urban latch]

A key point is learning to play in cover, but not using the official cover system. Use body high cover like walls to block line if sight to most ads, and use the shield to protect yourself against what your directly shooting at

[vestal ibex]

Ehhh for ouro you loose a tiny bit of potential damage but while on your secondary you'll gain.

[elfin token]

That's where Coyotes mask comes in

[covert meadow]

So if your running coyotes you prolly raise you dmg to 170 or so but then for hunters fury by removing Momento wouldn't I lose all that extra ability survivability?

[tawdry flare]

HF already gives you survivability

By means of Confuse and on kill health and armour

[vestal ibex]

Most of us play cover and kills so fast memento isn't needed.

[tawdry flare]

You can go intimidate/bloodsucker and Adrenaline rush route

For survivability

And still having enough DMG

[covert meadow]

Ohhh it's starting to ring a bell now! Lol

[tawdry flare]

You can utilise memento too for intimidate but picking up trophy can get you killed

[flint wave]

intimidate + 2 blue memento

bonus armor stocks will be barack

[tawdry flare]

I would advise against blue cores on hf

You can use Scorpio too for cc

[flint wave]

Hf is an aggressive playstyle is it not

[tawdry flare]

Yeah you are literally losing DMG cause to reach Max buff you need to kill

[flint wave]

you have 40% weapon damage and then a bunch of red cores on top of it you don't need all 6

[vestal ibex]

I'd argue it don't matter in solo and probably in group even, it's all preference.

[torpid gulch]

At least 2K.

[tawdry flare]

Wut won't matter?

[vestal ibex]

What you and elmo are going back and forth about.

[covert meadow]

Ok wow that brought Mr up 40 odd points

161 chd 57.5 chc

And that's with coyotes, now I gotta get that backpack hunters up in weapon dmg and recalibrate a full 12, which should bring it up more

I can recalibrate this fully, core to 15? Then slowly upgrade the attribute on the chd

[tawdry flare]

If you include Oreo than yes else no

[vestal ibex]

It's solo heroic...

[covert meadow]

Ok I will look at getting an higher backpack

[tawdry flare]

Than any smg with memento suffice but I use enforcer to not reload

[flint wave]

u have enforcer lucky

[shy willow]

i still want an enforcer

[flint wave]

1886 looking gun

[tawdry flare]

I don't wanna impose my playstyle

But in group heroic there is a rush for kills

[vestal ibex]

At some point we all have to realize we aren't on the same skill level nor playing the same content in the same way. If a couple blue cores keeps you from a full wipe it's a net gain.

[tawdry flare]

And memento buff solely relies on kill to proc

[covert meadow]

I'm due in surgery for 11am so ima have to pull back, but I will work on fixing this and show yall what I came up with. Ty again guys bbs

[flint wave]

Memento bonus armor solely relies on the amount of blues u have total

[tawdry flare]

It scales off the armour core not relies on them

[flint wave]

10% bonus armor on a 6 red 1 blue is paper thin

[obtuse dust]

Gear recommendation for someone who runs solo a lot and relays on their drone for assistance? (total noob to understand gear, trying to learn as we speak)

[shy willow]

better advice would be not to rely on your drone

try heading into summit and getting some strikers battle gear pieces

I say summit because drone otherwise countdown is bettrr

[hazy steeple]

Oh don't do that to them.

[elfin token]

😆😆😆😆😆

[vestal ibex]

Countdown T6 drone best.

[tawdry flare]

Good gear would be hunters fury

T6 Mortar heroic CD build melts

[vestal ibex]

Gotta test if rigger lets you send an army out tho...

[obtuse dust]

Had my ass handed to me plenty in the summit 🤣🤣 I have fuck loads of gear in stash etc just trying to understand it more now.

[obtuse dust]

Can I find that somewhere to see the pieces

[obtuse dust]

I was literally just loading up a “rigger” set to try out a long with some named pieces etc…

[shy willow]

check the spreadsheet pinned here

[hazy steeple]

A turret in Countdown?

[tawdry flare]

You can check the pinned spreadsheet

[shy willow]

but plz don't bring a mortar into countdown

[hazy steeple]

the Hunters must love you.

[obtuse dust]

@shy willow @tawdry flare thank you both.

[hazy steeple]

so because people seem to have forgotten, Hunters in Countdown can hack "deployable" skills like Hives, Turrets, etc.

they will kill you very fast. and your whole team.

[vestal ibex]

FYI we are all messing with you on this skill stuff for countdown.

Rigger is a meme set imo.

[hazy steeple]

See this is why I actively discourage "messing" (read: lying) to people in #td2-build-advice

[obtuse dust]

Can't stop the internet… it's like the most loved past time… trust me I'm hella older than you think 🤣🤣

[hazy steeple]

Your age does not really factor into here, but I'm well aware people suck.

[vestal ibex]

At least if I do I wont let a little joke go on for too long.

[hazy steeple]

I did have to tell someone to stop doing it a while ago or risk a ban.
cough, you know who you are cough

[obtuse dust]

Ya I just mean that I've been getting fucked with since the dawn of AOL chats.. I get it. Doesn't phase me. 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Give me 511 guesses....

[obtuse dust]

And it's appreciated... At least from me 🤘

Looking up the spreadsheet now. Cheers everyone

[shrewd ocean]

@lyric prism

[lyric prism]

so you can't roll the headshot damage off to chd?

[shrewd ocean]

non

[lyric prism]

do you have the materials to do the roll?

[shrewd ocean]

thats why im looking for a perfect bag

ye

[lyric prism]

ok so try to do the roll show us what it says when you try

[shrewd ocean]

still mid countdown so one min haha

[lyric prism]

ok

[shrewd ocean]

you can see it in the background of my screenshot lmao

[lyric prism]

yea. easiest end to do.

[rocky rain]

I have to “kill enemies highlighted by Pule” Is that the normal pulse or some status effect?

[vestal ibex]

Ceska bag with HSD???

[shrewd ocean]

tbh its a filler bag for crit chance

[lyric prism]

the only reasons off the top of my head why you can't reroll is not enough mats or you are in combat try to do the roll.

[vestal ibex]

Pulse is pulse and can be provided by many sources. All of the pulse skills will do it as well as the TAC drone(SNIPER spec skill) and linked laser pointer(attachment from TECH spec).

[upper gale]

Anyone got a good ar pvp build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1210027326377820260/1212053478659199047/image.png?ex=65f06fc4&is=65ddfac4&hm=dc22165ba5e30a4426d7e42f5d1ce2af2d2271936c185366c13c92a1a5e76a1e&

Got this to mine but ima have a +15% dmg extra cuz companion and i need to get a better bag so dmg will go up again by 10-12%

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[shy willow]

probably meant remote pulse or whatever it is

[lyric prism]

nevermind I read what you put.

[shrewd ocean]

would vigilance or concussion on bag be better

just for raw damage output

[vestal ibex]

Vigi das big damage talent.

[shy willow]

I dont pvp but I'd imagine vigi is hard to maintain

[shrewd ocean]

true

[gentle lichen]

You only really need it when you shoot first

[vestal ibex]

Vigi is a fight opener in PVP it's meant to give you an edge.

[shrewd ocean]

concussion is more of a chain

[gentle lichen]

It's inevitable to trade with it but when you dealt a great deal of damage at first you'll most likely win the trade

[vestal ibex]

Concussion needs headshots so unless you can land them it doesn't matter.

[gentle lichen]

If you want consistency there is concussion or wicked or companion

[shrewd ocean]

at the same time though im already dishing enough damage to mostly 1 tap - 2 tap

[vestal ibex]

It'll all come down to how you play and what's best for your skill and playstyle.

[shrewd ocean]

i might try both and see how they work in pvp

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and for PVP you are gonna want many different builds too. Some counter others very well and some just get clapped.

[acoustic coral]

Give me a red-nosed reindeer

[shrewd ocean]

i die by just a touch but its still fun

[cyan drift]

12% PFE mods at the clan vendor if anyone needs to bulk up

also CHC/CHD mods but they're nothing crazy

[magic pilot]

Vigi is super common in conflict

Since perfect companion came out I've seen a lot more use of the normal version on the bp

Vigi is also super super strong on pistol builds since you have a car door to protect your armor lol

Once you get into server fights ad rush, comp or wicked will be a better option

[flint wave]

A car door that takes 8x damage👴

[magic pilot]

Send a pic of the build not just stats

[magic pilot]

You'd be suprised how much it helps still

You only need it long enough to get 1-2 shots off

Once status comes out vigi is basically useless

[vestal ibex]

And den you counter

[shy willow]

the counter counter build

[lyric prism]

yaahl gear never drops open world correct?

[vestal ibex]

You'll see it at the clan vendor on occasion and that's about as LZ as it gets.

[onyx sage]

correct

[upper gale]

Bags gon b changed

To a better roll one with companion for the +15%

[vestal ibex]

das a ganking build

[flint wave]

blood sucker in pvp

[vestal ibex]

This is the kind of build where you follow a solo player down a dark ally and bam, rip landmark farmer.

[upper gale]

Well considering im a solo 80%

[upper gale]

If u read what i said im litro swapping it out

[magic pilot]

Correct, you can get hollowman to drop from manhunts though

[magic pilot]

Try to farm for at least one more blue core

And a better chest, reason for not using coyotes?

[upper gale]

Kk

The medkit buff with the instant medkit

And this perk

[shrewd ocean]

ok well im gonna die from farming this bag so instead i have decided to make a heartbreaker build since i dont own one yet

[magic pilot]

You need one with not a blue attribute is what I mean

Are you shd 1k plus?

[upper gale]

Litro makes no difference except crit chance as noone in the dz is able to shoot straight apparently. Everyone who ive pvped misses half their mag

[upper gale]

Yeye i will do i was gonna

[upper patrol]

for pvp, should i change something?

pvp conflict

[urban latch]

The mask isn't going to do anything if your running that many red cores. Your also going to be very squishy, so if your using teammates for protection you can do alright, but only 1 blue core is going to lose just about any face trade with a proper pvp build

[upper patrol]

Should i go all blue?

[urban latch]

There's no single answer to that, it's ultimately down to preference. But if your just getting started in pvp I would start with as close to 6 as you have proper gear for

[upper patrol]

hm ok, so i go red for now, grind for some tankier stuff

and yeah i am just dipping a bit in pvp now, was looking for a build to carry my dumbass :d

[sudden fog]

Brooo ffs

Another chest open no oreo

[tulip charm]

just get luckier ig

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer Sacrifices needed

[strange wigeon]

Does Safeguard give 100% more repair when repairing players, or 100% more repair when repairing skills ?

[flint wave]

skill repair = healing strength of stuff like repair chem and restorer hive

[strange wigeon]

so whats the difference to repair skills ?

[flint wave]

none I think just different wording

[strange wigeon]

thats very confusing

[flint wave]

idk why it says "total" before the skill repair part it might be a different multiplier

[maiden epoch]

Looking for PvP/ DZ build that are up to date. I didn’t play for a year.

Is EB still strong in PvP? Or better the new smg ?

[warm socket]

Why do My dz pvp buil still suck even Tho i have everything on i need to have good dps n stuff

[tulip charm]

uh drop the build here and we'll easily figure it out

[hybrid ravine]

^

[wise swallow]

Not too bad just the yhaal is out of place

[warm socket]

Huh..?

[wise swallow]

Really no reason to use yhaal on striker if your not using shocker holster

[warm socket]

What is yhaal

[vestal ibex]

Chest brand

[wise swallow]

the chest piece belongs to the yhaal brandset. which at one piece is giving haz pro which is basically useless in this type of build

[vestal ibex]

I mean are you going into fights with striker stacks?

[warm socket]

So What chest Should i use

[warm socket]

I guess yeah😅

[vestal ibex]

Well if you go into a fight with no striker stacks you gon get clapped.

[wise swallow]

ideally, ceska chest and coyotes mask. but if you dont have a ceska chest groupo or fenris would be fine while your still looking for ceska

[vestal ibex]

Also protected reload on the chest? Unbreakable to tank more and obliterate to do more damage.

[wise swallow]

Striker is an interesting play style and if your new to PVP I wouldnt use striker

[hybrid ravine]

Striker do be a risky playstyle in pvp

[warm socket]

I see

What is the best playstyle to pvp

[wise swallow]

theres no best play style but for you. a basic high end DPS build is easiset and more reliable for someone new.
Coyote, ceska, foxes, groupo, fenris, walker/metador(named walker backpack)

all CHC and CHD with unbreakable and adrush

[warm socket]

Something like that?

[wise swallow]

Striker forces you to shoot, run shoot run use fire sticky to stagger then use shotgun etc. learn the basics of PVP then try striker out

[wise swallow]

that is fine yes. but you want unbreakable or obliterate

[warm socket]

What pvp Build would you reccomend to me for now? Just so i have an idea What gear to farm for

[wise swallow]

..

[warm socket]

What is that😅

[warm socket]

Oh yeah

[wise swallow]

those are both chest piece talents

adrush is a backpack talent

[flint wave]

lol r u a returning player

[warm socket]

Yeah🤣

[warm socket]

So lets say i Want to run a fernis Build, What sort of talents and stuff Should be on My amor, and Should i Also run an exotic amor piece?

And Should i run a fremtid backpack aldo or matador?

[wise swallow]

you should run coyotes mask. Chest Talents: Unbreakable, obliterate. Backpack talents: Adrenaline rush, Vigilance

[warm socket]

Also*

[wise swallow]

Matador is just the perfect version of adrenaline rush. not a requirement you can use regular walker (or picarios holster and not use walker if you dont need the CHC)

[wise swallow]

whichever one is better rolled

[warm socket]

Fenris*^

[wise swallow]

Perfect metador is not that much of an imrpovement over normal adrush

[lyric prism]

there is an rather nice Chainkiller on the clan vendor if you need one for a nub.

call it 75%

[wise swallow]

what are the roles?

[wise swallow]

i need a better chain

[warm socket]

So the perfect Roll for RUSH12?

Backpack

[lime quarry]

Hey everyone. What’s best brand for skill builds. Personally I’d like to make a control build

[wise swallow]

which brand set is that part of

idk the backpack names lol

[lyric prism]

eclipse protocol gear set.

[warm socket]

5.11 tag

Tac*

[lime quarry]

Great Ty

[flint wave]

[wise swallow]

DOnt use 5.11

[warm socket]

Oh lol

[flint wave]

put the max attribute rolls in the recal library

[lime quarry]

Currently I’m running a skill damage build and it’s been great. Just can’t for the life of me find the gun I need

[wise swallow]

Either im getting lost or your getting lost something isnt making sense

[warm socket]

And What holster Should i run?

[warm socket]

Me?

[lyric prism]

what gun given you have a skill build.

[warm socket]

Should i just private Message you?

Private text*

[wise swallow]

no, you want input from others here aswell

[warm socket]

Ight

So i just need a good holster, gloves and kneepads, Any suggestions?

[magic pilot]

These are meta shotgun, and AR builds

[warm socket]

Yeah im most of an ar user

[lyric prism]

if you are looking for Capacitor its a reward for five achieves in Summit

[lime quarry]

I’m looking for the Capacitor

[lyric prism]

yea

[magic pilot]

@upper patrol

[wise swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489468635333656576/1212117538595668058/IMG_2008.png?ex=65f0ab6d&is=65de366d&hm=d9848941897f200d16daeaba8aedc0a055e98b06643ad3668693b5416e66522b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=257&height=556

[lime quarry]

Really

[wise swallow]

follow that from chemeleon deconstructor

[magic pilot]

lol

[lime quarry]

Is this hard to get

[lyric prism]

Capacitor is an Exotic Assault Rifle in Tom Clancy's The Division 2. One per Account is given for completing 5 challenges in The Summit. Afterward, it can be acquired from any farmable drop source.

[magic pilot]

I was like wait a second

[lyric prism]

no, just do 5 challenges in Summit. you can do it on Normal.

[warm socket]

Ight

[wise swallow]

you posted basically the exact build i was describing lol. visual is easier

[lime quarry]

I love you

[wise swallow]

tho idk how pic will fair with his current rolls and watch level

also doubt he has pic since hes returning

[warm socket]

Pic?

[wise swallow]

ignore for now not talking to you

[warm socket]

Ight

[wise swallow]

follow that SS and roll everything with CHC and CHD

[warm socket]

Chc and chd?

[wise swallow]

if you dont have the holster use a groupo sombre holster

[warm socket]

Ight

[wise swallow]

Critical hit chance. Critical hit damage

[warm socket]

Ah okay

[magic pilot]

Under shd 1k you would just swap fox with grupo on that one

Or picaros whatever he can get really

There was a picaros last week in the vendor

[warm socket]

Me?

[wise swallow]

i figure he probably has foxes but doesnt have pic yea

[wise swallow]

do you have foxes prayer kneepads

its a named piece

looks like that

[warm socket]

Yup

[magic pilot]

Martin if you need people to play with I sent you my clans discord link, you can see if anyone is on and request to join whenever, just send a message in chat giving them your psn

[wise swallow]

do you have this piece

[warm socket]

Thank you😃

[warm socket]

No😭

🫡

[wise swallow]

ok use groupo on the holster then

[warm socket]

Ight

[upper patrol]

ty

[warm socket]

Can you send it

Is fox’s prayers farmable in countdown?

[upper patrol]

Missing like 30% crit chance atm with Shield Splint, should i switch crit damage for crit chance on reds?

SHD crti at 50 btw

[flint wave]

use ceska piece(Replace chestplate)

[warm socket]

@wise swallow this My Build rn

[wise swallow]

solid

you want a few more blues preferably

[warm socket]

I mean i need some materials to recalibrate the kneepads and chest to amor so

[wise swallow]

oh ok

what are the stats looking like?

[warm socket]

Where Can i see stats😅

Oh nvm

[magic pilot]

I did check your dms

[warm socket]

I dont see anything:/

[magic pilot]

You are already in the server I just pinged you

[magic pilot]

45/145

[wise swallow]

I think that says 46 Crit chance?

swap a CHD mod for CHC

[warm socket]

45

Oh okay, on What amor piece?😅

[wise swallow]

any

[acoustic coral]

What's the any piece? Is that like the any key?

[warm socket]

What is the best Way to farm materials for recalibration?

[lyric prism]

play.

[warm socket]

Lol xD

[lyric prism]

omg finally. these do exist on my personal hell loot table.

[warm socket]

Bruh🤣

[lyric prism]

least I can roll the talent as needed.

I got potato skills so good for me.

[rocky rain]

What are Summit Challenges? You mean projects maybe?

[lyric prism]

no. challenges.

[rocky rain]

Where can I find/start them?

[hexed steppe]

Had to craft around 100 palisades knees to get skill haste/skill damage for a turret drone build. The struggle is real

Even worse when you need the talent as well 😉

[rocky rain]

Why not do a few Countdowns?

[hexed steppe]

Because I have limitless resources that I need to spend time to time. It also had to be a knee

[lyric prism]

its a personal build I use when wondering around looking at the scenery.

[rocky rain]

Limitless resources? Interesting..

[vestal ibex]

Unlimited powah

[hexed steppe]

Well maybe not limitless but ide have to burn through maybe 40k scavenging points across my alts

[lyric prism]

and yea the fucking grind was real. so many countdown runs and crafting them. got it in countdown...so many named chests...

[lime quarry]

regarding this, is the drop the same for everyone or are the rolls better the higher dif you play on

[lyric prism]

rolls might be higher but you ultimately want to recraft it anyway.

[lime quarry]

ok

ty

[lyric prism]

Capacitor is a unique recrafting issue. its the only assault rifle w/ DTA on the 2nd slot so you can't optimize it, you have to recraft to max that out AND get the 3rd attribute right, usually DTTOC

[hexed steppe]

Nice, especially if you were planning on running a couple armor cores anyways

[rocky rain]

To reroll an Exotic weapon, do you have to have it or is having the Blueprint enough?

[lyric prism]

yes. I run around and loot chests and do random things in heroic w/ fog of war. scenery viewing.

[lyric prism]

you get the blueprint when you get the drop

[flint wave]

getting that palisade prof up

[rocky rain]

Indeed, a then you can roll even though if you would have deconstructed the gun?

[lyric prism]

...no.

you desconstructed it?

[hexed steppe]

You need a copy to reroll

[rocky rain]

I might… 🧐

[lyric prism]

ow.

well it will drop again once you get the drop on the account so go farm selected loot types.

[rocky rain]

All part of a learning curve..

[hexed steppe]

Which exotic

Gotta mark as favorite to avoid that

[rocky rain]

Yes, I know now. Luckily wasn’t the most interesting weapons. Some LMG

[hexed steppe]

At least is wasnt an eagleburger 🦅 🍔

[rocky rain]

No, haven’t got it yet

So how do I start those Summit Challenges?

[lyric prism]

they are in the menu in summit. one sec.

[hexed steppe]

Map > challenges

[lyric prism]

do 5 of them, have a Capacitor

[rocky rain]

I’m starting right away! Thanks!!

[lyric prism]

varying difficulty, most you will do just playing the floors.

[hexed steppe]

You can swap them around to work on 2 at the same time. Like complete 20 floors challenge, but when you hit a box switching to open 3 caches challenge then back to floors

[lyric prism]

easiest would probably be turn on two directives and do 3 floors w/ a pistol only.

and you can do it all on normal if all you want is a Capacitor.

[flat jasper]

Is a negotiator's dilemma worth it?

or should i jsut stick with switching between elmo striker's/ scripo fury?

[lyric prism]

ND is a very easy set to use when you learn to use it.

[urban latch]

Nego is still one of the top builds in the game

[flat jasper]

if i'm honest the builds I have don't really feel different other than the main weapon unless I switch to my ToS build with the demo spec lol

but sicne it will be somethign else, i'll give it show time to grind countdown for the pieces lol

[lime quarry]

oh man, you have to activate the challenges to ge them. whooops

[onyx sage]

you'll definitely feel different playing ND compared to striker

[flat jasper]

it's different than shoot shoot shoot trigger crit shoot some more?

yes i'm aware i overly simplifyed it

[tribal nymph]

wich build is needed to go on incursion ?

full red striker with elmo's is ok ?

[urban latch]

Main one is strikers with chest and backpack, and 1 fi healer

[wheat anchor]

Considering one of its talents allows you to deal 100% damage to the other marked targets, yes

ND works for legendary

[flat jasper]

i don't do legendary, i'm happy with just challenging 😆

[vestal ibex]

This weekend lovebirds 1 healer 1 crit strikers?

[muted cave]

Just a question when building the shield, im looking into the over charge thing, is there any sets that can do this effectively

I've played division 1 for a few years, however only really finished the story in 2 but my friends are getting it so im planning on getting a build ready for pvp so if anyone could help that would be awesome

[urban latch]

I still really want to do this, and I think we can with the strikers on Scorpio now

[vestal ibex]

Yeah same here.

[acoustic coral]

Need that oreo carry soon

[muted cave]

Anyone able to help me with a build please

[hexed steppe]

Very worth. No need to stack damage like strikers. Nego plays well with ar and rifle combo. Crit transfer to marks means you can triple up your damage. It can out damage striker builds with 3 marks active.
Definitely a top tier set. I suggest elmo and m1a classic 💯

[flat jasper]

thanks, frist thing is getting the gear lol

[hexed steppe]

Use the nego bag for best transfer. Can most likely use the highend chest from your striker set. Oblit/glass/focus/spotter all work well for nego

[rich lotus]

200 + % CHD and 60% CHC - All Red Build with 2Mil+ Dmg Per Crit with the Lightweight M4.

Talents:

M4 - Behind you
ACR - Strained
Mask- Coyotes Mask Crit Exotic
Chest- Perfekt Sacrifice
Kneepads- 8% Dmg Out of Cover
Backpack - Vigilance

All Items are rolled with CHC and CHD Maxed out. On Backpack and Mask + 12 % CHD Slot added , on chest + 6% CHC .
All Guns have all Attatchments on CHD/CHC

[wise swallow]

I find it funny that you said 200%+ CHD but posted stats with 188

not bad regardless but godamn are lwm4's just garbage atm

[shy willow]

The rifles you can put a 50 round mag on are ew

[pastel shard]

probs accountin for the cayotes

[onyx sage]

yeah coyote close buff but not that it makes the build any better

[rich lotus]

Perf Sacrifice (30%) + Vigilance (25%) Amplify weapon damage but at the same time crit damage + Coyote we have another 15 - 25 %

So : we are at 250 - 260% crit damage in total. 🔥

[wise swallow]

top tier youtube math

[onyx sage]

that's not how the math works buddy

188 + 25 is the most crit damage you will get

[rich lotus]

Why?

[onyx sage]

sacrifice, vigi are amps

not crit damage

[rich lotus]

Yeah but crit is kinda Based on weapon dmg right? Or does the wpn dmg not influence the crit?

[onyx sage]

no, if it's weapon damage it's weapon damage, if it's crit damage it's crit damage

[rich lotus]

That's still 200+ tho

[onyx sage]

simple as that

[rich lotus]

Fine fine

Still the build hits like a truck

[rich lotus]

And just because I did a mistake you did not have to be so rude

[onyx sage]

he's right though

[wise swallow]

im just fucking with you

its a funny exmaple of youtube math tho

[rich lotus]

We all make mistakes

[onyx sage]

still, if you want to earnestly learn buildcrafting, going all in on crit damage won't actually give you the most damage

[shy willow]

Diminishing returns ^

[rich lotus]

That's why I have the weapon dmg addons

[onyx sage]

with a rifle build, you're most likely going to proc the mid and far buff, so you're not gonna get 25% chd

you're either getting 10% chc 10% chd or 25% chc

[rich lotus]

That's enough tho.

[onyx sage]

so that 60% chc you got there will make you waste crit damage

it's not optimal even if you're aiming for max crit damage

[rich lotus]

Hmmm

But isn't hitting crit often good?

[onyx sage]

STILL even aiming for max crit damage isn't optimal, there are other multipliers like dttooc (which you have) and dta (which you don't)

once you hit a certain amount of chd, getting more chd isn't as worth as getting more of the other multipliers

[shy willow]

Try running contractors and a grupo mask or something

[rich lotus]

Thx for the advice

[shy willow]

Or ceska if you don't have

[rich lotus]

Contractors give dmg to armor

[onyx sage]

even more optimal is using m1a instead of lightweight m4 but i'm not going to stress on that if you like lightweight m4

[rich lotus]

M1a has low fire rate

[onyx sage]

but more consistent

[rich lotus]

I love the m4 because its fast

[magic pilot]

Not necessarily but yes

[onyx sage]

m1a will consistently give its dmg

[waxen herald]

What gearset does it look like this guy is using? I'm seeing 2 green active talents

[onyx sage]

umbra

[waxen herald]

Umbra with Mechanical Animal? Hmm

[rich lotus]

Only in pvp

[onyx sage]

not what he meant

[waxen herald]

What is Umbra a run and gun set?

[onyx sage]

devs are misusing the term to mean status effects diminishing over repeated application

[shy willow]

if I understand it right, you get to a point where other multipliers are more desirable than stacking crit

[onyx sage]

cover based set

[onyx sage]

the right term is "opportunity cost"

[shy willow]

Ah oops

[magic pilot]

Diminishing returns is technically a thing and technically not

It's almost never used properly

[rich lotus]

Mhm

[onyx sage]

generally people only use it if the stat is converted using a formula that actually reduces the final value

[waxen herald]

Is Umbra good?

[onyx sage]

like in genshin with elemental mastery conversion to the actual multipliers, like y=4X/(X+1600), y increases more slowly as x increases (it's increasing worse than linear)

even then the term just goes through so much misuse i try not to use it

[onyx sage]

it's decent but does not compete with the top tier sets, you might find its niche of using cover to charge the buff interesting

[hexed steppe]

so basically, a highend raid build... i would go with m1a classic or cqb... if ranged youre better off with contractors over coyote, if close then coyote can work. are you exactly at 60chc or slightly over?

[waxen herald]

The Vindicator looks interesting ngl

[tulip charm]

Well if he has 3 chc mods on weapon then he’s over crit

[lyric prism]

setting up for bighorn takes a lot of chd out but when strikers + bighorn get stacked I do like the effect.

[tulip charm]

Well hsd and chd is addictive iirc

[lyric prism]

yes it is, a Hyena confirmed.

I'm thinking about trying it on my ND build.

[hexed steppe]

i think so as well. i have a very similar setup and with elmo im slightly over but with m1a cqb , which should have the same attachments setup, im just under. im guessing a mod or a roll can be swapped to increase chd...

[magic pilot]

What is the highest sustained dps weapon in the game bullet king?

I was also curious what gun has the best burst-sustained ratio

[onyx sage]

think so yeah from ikia calc

[magic pilot]

Or would something like backfire at max stacks out sustain it?

[onyx sage]

oh nvm just within lmg

not sure when compared to other classes

[magic pilot]

It's got to be an smg or shotgun I would think

[onyx sage]

shotgun with pummel procced infinitely seems like the best setup

the question is which shotgun

[magic pilot]

M870 probably if you are keeping pummel up

I was thinking for lovebirds

[onyx sage]

m870 dps isn't highest though

for lovebirds i would think dps matters most

[magic pilot]

Burst is without reloads though

[onyx sage]

do you guys do OC booster for faster reloads?

cuz that's useful to consider too

[magic pilot]

Yes but wouldn't that make an even playing field anyway since every weapon will have the same buff?

[onyx sage]

it just lessens it, because there are mag reload and round reload shotguns

m870 is round reload vs six12 being mag reload, it's still significant even with booster

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

[onyx sage]

i haven't done the calcs myself, i'm just noting the possible nuances beyond just dps comparison

i use six12 myself because it's comfy

[magic pilot]

I'm so curious lol

I wanna see how fast we can clear lovers

[tawdry flare]

You can go super 90/Six 12/Acs 12 fast hands

Most Shotguns have sustained issues

[onyx sage]

yeah shotguns got a ninja buff with fast hands stacking per pellet now

i need to test stuff again once i get back this weekend

[rich lotus]

anyone with the unicorn habsburg chest/packback? curious if the 5%WD and 15%HSD make it possible to 1 shot heroic elites on your first shot

[tawdry flare]

It's 20% sniper bonus for 2pcs and 15% hsd for 1 and yeah it can make a difference but to one shot solo heroic you either need nemesis or tac 50

[rich lotus]

WH/Airaldi is -5%WD and -15% HSD 😛

but thanks for letting me know, i didnt think it could but i wasnt sure. my expertise 25 Model 700 leaves a tiny bit of armor on elites, wasnt sure if that little extra bit would be enough. its not really a big deal tho, just shoot a non elite and then good times for determined

[hexed steppe]

3 or 4pc hotshot?

[magic pilot]

Habsburg is 20% wpn

[hexed steppe]

if 3pc you can add fox's for a little more first shot damage

i been liking this setup for regulus. idk why, but not a huge fan of the hf version. yellow picaros for an extra shield tier.
shield is around 9.8m armor cold, but with mem charged it ends up around 12m armor.
artificer is between 48-58 skill repair depending on mem charge.

[shy willow]

This is new

[magic pilot]

Not really new lol

[shy willow]

Idk I never seen Brazos w it

[magic pilot]

I use 2 pc brazos

[shy willow]

For the shield?

[flint wave]

people will do anything for survivability except run blue cores xd

[magic pilot]

Why run blue cores when you can run brazos and be full red

[vestal ibex]

Just make the door thicc

[hexed steppe]

yup. ive used a picaros with an armor core as well, but one blue core doesnt make a lot of difference. a yellow core on the other hand boosts up shield and artificer repair.

bulwark can take a real sustained beating in this form

[shy willow]

Does artificer do that thing with the shield where it sends a charge out without you putting it down

[hexed steppe]

yeah, every 10 seconds

[shy willow]

Oh sweet

[flint wave]

yea instant repair for the shield

[muted valve]

Is Doctor Home still good for medic builds? I heard of a nerf with it.

[lyric prism]

10% armor repair for whole group on kill on the marked target. not a nerf.

[rich cosmos]

Did they fix doctor home yet

[lyric prism]

what was broke? I don't use it

[rich cosmos]

They gave it the testing server rework and the original talent just doesn’t work now

So its activating on headshots now, but its not even consistent at it

[dreamy valve]

Anyone using Mosquito at all?

[tawdry flare]

Use ninja bike bagpack make this build even stronger

[tawdry flare]

The most damaging setup is 3/2/1

[rich cosmos]

Probably the two aegis users

[rich lotus]

@tawdry flare does 20% amplified damage not enter into the headhunter equation?

either way i do enjoy not reloading

[urban latch]

20% from what? The HH equation is a bit odd

[vestal ibex]

Grey gear op

[rich lotus]

Raucey 4x HS 2x HG vs 3x HS 2x HG 1x Airaldi

[vestal ibex]

You've gotta ask what makes a sniper build better then work from there.

[urban latch]

There's a headhunter breakdown that gets into the weeds in the technical guides in the spreadsheet. But short answer the 4p buff from hotshot isn't applied to HH.

[onyx sage]

clarifying a bit:

damage with hh = normal shot damage + hh bonus

when hotshot 4p 20% activates, it becomes

normal shot damage × 1.2 + hh bonus

[rich lotus]

gotcha so it just gets to cap quicker whereas 10% increases it

[onyx sage]

hh bonus at max stacks is the majority of your damage and it does not multiply with 1.2 from hotshot

[rich lotus]

I'll still stick with not reloading though, i think legendary elites are somewhere between 26-30 million EHP so its kind of a wash since im at almost 34 million without even having the unicorn HG pieces

[onyx sage]

that's perfectly fine

if it works for you, no reason to change it

[vestal ibex]

Bro knows it doesn't matter

YOU KNOW HH AND BREAKPOINTS

[onyx sage]

why am i being yelled at 😔

[vestal ibex]

3-2-1 is dumb and you know it lol

[rich lotus]

I don't miss using Nemesis and ToTS and that's all that matters

[tawdry flare]

It is not dumb

[rich lotus]

Model 700 is ❤️

[tawdry flare]

Me neither TOTS was fun 😭

[vestal ibex]

D.U.M.B

[onyx sage]

i still want to advocate for 3 hotshot 2 habsburg chainkiller

[tawdry flare]

Division Ultra Meta Build

[onyx sage]

brug

[vestal ibex]

Ulta flex build.

[tawdry flare]

Wut bruh

Btw @urban latch I got perfect wicked with CHC/chd is it a unicorn worth keeping?

[onyx sage]

perfect wicked just extends duration right

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

bruh

[tawdry flare]

But it is double crit

[onyx sage]

it's obvious

[tawdry flare]

Ik

Same can be said for china light named bag

[rich lotus]

@tawdry flare I hope you find a use, I tried to make it work with an OD build with all CHD using (the smg that gives 18/18 CC/CHD on kill) and it made me sad, it was just a worse hunters fury

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

Ik but I just like keeping 🦄

Ik the duration is not worth it

[tulip charm]

The brand sucks aswell xd

[magic pilot]

For PvP yes

But you want blue core anyway lol

I got a haste/dmg Hermano

[clever canyon]

Does Heartbreaker stop giving bonus armor after you hit max stacks?

[hazy steeple]

max stack is 50 for bonus armour/damage.

[clever canyon]

once you hit 50, does it refresh stacks and continue giving bonus armor, or does it stop? i.e. stack to 50 => take damage => keep firing while at 50, do you regen bonus armor up to 50%

[stiff jasper]

No

[hazy steeple]

Weapon hits on pulsed enemies add and refreshes a stack of +1% bonus armor and +1% damage to pulsed enemies for 5s. Max stack is 50.
Two stacks are lost per second."```
refresh and cap at 50.

[stiff jasper]

Perfect wicked are not useful even not usable in pvp

[hazy steeple]

It's...a curiously underpowered set when compared to Striker, even with the healing factor.

chest changes the stack to 100, backpack changes it from 1% to 2% armour.

[flint wave]

when you reach max stacks and lose bonus armor u gotta lose stacks to gain back bonus armor

[clever canyon]

i'm trying a defender drone / artificer setup with heartbreaker + brazos + to hit 1M armor + T6 skills, but once at 100 stacks the survivability falls off fast since it stops giving bonus armor

[clever canyon]

yeah, that's what i was afraid of. oh well, back to the drawing board.

[hazy steeple]

A high-end setup will likely serve you better overall.

[flint wave]

Replace heartbreaker with striker

ez

[magic pilot]

Perfect trauma

[clever canyon]

where's the survivability on that build?

[flint wave]

not using defender drone and instead opting for crusader shield

but if you stick with defender drone then rip

[stiff jasper]

He asking Perfect wicked

[hazy steeple]

Gunner gives +10% AoK, so that's about it with a striker setup.

[clever canyon]

yeah, i really want to try a defender drone setup since i see shields everywhere

[flint wave]

Defender drone stinky in pve sadly

[clever canyon]

but with defender drone + artificer you have no room for healing skills, so you'd need armor regen / armor repair / bonus armor source from gear... haven't found a really good combo for it yet.
heartbreaker was closest but since it doesn't recycle old stacks once you hit cap it's not good for extended fights

[flint wave]

try memento

[magic pilot]

Use both is what I mean

[clever canyon]

hrm. 20% AoK seems a little low.

[stiff jasper]

I mean Perfect truma don't use Perfect wicked

[clever canyon]

is Foundry Bulwark repair subject to Skill Repair or Incoming Healing mods?

[flint wave]

no

and don't try and make dps foundry lol

[clever canyon]

and Incoming Repairs doesn't affect armor regen, right?

[flint wave]

yes

it doesn't even effect catharsis heal

[clever canyon]

armor regen feels like such a bad stat

[flint wave]

the attribute definitely is

[shy willow]

Armor regen is strong on memento

Cuz you be getting fat stacks of damage and bonus armour along with skill efficiency

[hazy steeple]

I do want to try a high-end armour regen build at some point. That and a pfe setup.

[magic pilot]

PFE is good

[rich lotus]

@clever merlin

7.0% without counting the armor regen second stat

Will take a lot of farming to get these pieces in red or chc/chd in general though lol

[clever merlin]

you definitely dont need the armor regen minor attribute

those are terrible just stack chc chd lol

[rich lotus]

This was the build I was making on here to see whats the highest regen possible overall but yeah def dont need

[clever merlin]

until you hit 60 even then id take HSD before that

[rich lotus]

What if you use backfire with it

Then you could also swap belstone chest from the named one to obliterate and get extra 25% weapon damage

[clever merlin]

Also kinda weird they didn't buff minor attributes at all

[rich lotus]

These the ouro stats from that build

Nothing changed

31% chc on the gun itself lol

But your secondary will be doodo

I wonder how long it will take for them to update mxswat

[clever merlin]

Yeah you definitely need obliterate too for that build

Efficient a terrible talent imo

[rich lotus]

Nah its kinda busted for pvp atm

Being able to insta pop medkits and having 75% of not consuming it is nuts

[shy willow]

Nomad at home

[rich lotus]

In the end, striker + armor on kill will be always much better than any of this

[rich lotus]

Bootleg nomad

[shy willow]

[rich lotus]

Ah the memories of killing someone 39x

[clever merlin]

Well I don't pvp lol so I don't really care about that

[rich lotus]

Then ob 100%

[rich lotus]

I always seem to gravitate back to div1 solely due to striker

[shy willow]

It's hilariously broken I love it

[rich lotus]

Ikr

[flint wave]

striker in div 1 or div2

[clever merlin]

Chest talents are all underwhelming too for PvE reds maybe unbreakable can work there too

[rich lotus]

1

Was amazing

[clever merlin]

Classified is stupid

[rich lotus]

I still remember when sasg shotgun was cancer in dz

Everyone pop shotting

[shy willow]

I'm still working on trying to solo legendaries with it though I keep getting pushed out of nowhere

[rich lotus]

Ngl legendaries on div 2 felt harder for me until I got a sniper build

Now its stupid easy

[flint wave]

good luck soloing with sniper unless ur crazy, or it's reanimated

[shy willow]

One helmet and it's all over

[rich lotus]

Well in some areas its literally impossible

So i swapped to the ol striker red

But im saying having sniper build made it millions time faster

And easier

At least they make snipers actually feel like a sniper in div 2 with chainkiller

Div1 its almost pointless

[flint wave]

It feels like a sniper until you lose hh

[rich lotus]

Just don't lose it

[flint wave]

[rich lotus]

Until you get dogs and you're forced to lose it

At least chungs give your chain stack back at 1 which is usually enough to 1 tap everything with nemesis

[rich lotus]

Ngl I'm surprised they didnt add something like it in div2

Ig it creates more build ideas than just 1 set everywhere

[shy willow]

Sentrys😔

[flint wave]

how are you supposed to balance snipers in a looter shooter anyway

[rich lotus]

It's not even comparable to div2 sadly

[rich lotus]

Exactly how they kind of did using chainkiller

[shy willow]

It'll one shot nearly everything with max marks

[rich lotus]

Hit more headshots = more damage overtime

[shy willow]

And gives everyone a huge damage boost

I love it

[rich lotus]

In legendary content?

[flint wave]

yes

[rich lotus]

How have I never knew this

[shy willow]

M700 carbon hits for like 2 mil

[rich lotus]

I was a d3 and dps pleb in div1 in missions anyways

[flint wave]

In 4 player legendary a maximum damage hotshot determined user is strong

just make sure to kill all the dogs and chungas and minitanks for them

[shy willow]

Tfw your team steals all the adds and leaves the plated enemies last

[rich lotus]

We were talking about sentry lol

[rich lotus]

Oh god

[flint wave]

bruh

[rich lotus]

Then youre left there like that staring at them

I always warn people SHOOT THE DOGS I'll deal with the rest

[shy willow]

Besides reclaimer it's gotta be the top support build

[rich lotus]

I had to spam in chat a few times

[rich lotus]

Omg reclaimer

Tbh they did a good job with FI

Its pretty much reclaimer

First Aid > Chem launch

I miss that skill so much

[clever merlin]

I dunno about that but support station is better than healing hive