td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

Wait what happened Monday?

[hazy steeple]

I'll let you know on wednesday.

wait now even im confused.

[urban latch]

The superb owl was out

[hazy steeple]

hey Raucey, how much is it going to cost for you to add the Bighorn as a suggested gun for Strikers?

[onyx sage]

0.2 btc

[urban latch]

My reputation

[hazy steeple]

Oh go on, it'd be hilarious.

[vestal ibex]

Owls are dope yo, they make no noise when flying.

[hexed steppe]

Every spring/summer I have a pair in my back yard with 1 or 2 young. Funny watching the parents teaching them to fly

[vestal ibex]

flop

[hazy steeple]

Birds are amazing. I have a family of 3 magpies living nearby and the ltitle one just learned how to sing.

[hexed steppe]

Very nice

[gentle bramble]

Is there any build that got surprisingly viable after the last update, or some kind of build variation that wasn't a thing and now it is? You know, for variety

[magic pilot]

Guns changed that's about it

[hexed steppe]

unicorn explosive builds got a buff because grupo got an extra 10% explosive damage for 2pc.

mortar supremacy

it was already one of the best so just got better

[hazy steeple]

I've never been 100% clear on what the unicorn part of the unicorn build is.

[gentle bramble]

lmk when you find out

[hexed steppe]

yellow attribute items like: grupo, sacrifice, contractors, fox's (oxi), so they can all be rolled with a yellow core.
also the habsburg pieces with right talents/attributes so they can be rolled red... stuff like that

[hazy steeple]

Ooh that makes sense. I was thinking it was something like a rainbow roll for some reason.
I really should try out a Mortar build again, it's been far too long.

(I was also kinda hoping that it was just a regular build but painted to look like a unicorn)

@gentle bramble Question answered, thanks deck!

[hexed steppe]

this is my favorite unicorn. but i use a hive and btsu nost of the time now

[flint wave]

combined arms interesting

[hexed steppe]

yeah you just have to proc it right before the mortar hits, and you got time.

when hive it out ill usually dump into npcs with cap so it keeps it procced as well. with either weapon you need to proc alot so i like the extra 5-10% tsd (30%tsd on PCA)

everyone suggests strategic alignment but they running 10% less tsd for a long up time... long uptime that isnt really used between shots/cluster hits

[tawdry raven]

Got a bullet king with 10% mag size and it only added 10 bullets lol

[flint wave]

I use it because I don't like to be shot at with pgc

after I get my capacitor stacks up ofc

[tawdry raven]

Oh it adds 10% base and bullet king has a base of 100

[rich cosmos]

Mag size needs to be buffed to 15 or 20 rounds

Id use it to just avoid using the ugly extended mags on guns

[hexed steppe]

ill use the mop a lot for a quick 30%sd+30%tsd right before the hits

mop has it hitting for around 8m and full cap stack is around 10m

[tawdry raven]

Is the new pistol just useful for raids?

Idk why they made this thing

[gentle bramble]

So it’s just hard to find the pieces for the build

[flint wave]

we heard your tank complaints and we listened, here's a pistol that forces exactly 1 target to aggro you after you shoot that same target 10 times

[drifting panther]

Finally I found someone sensible

[hexed steppe]

not really, unicorns not needed , you can do 3 empress , china, 2 wyvern and be hitting really hard with a mortar

[rich cosmos]

They made the exotic pistol, gearset, and a skill, all built around being used all together, mind you they said they wanted more unique builds and uses for exotics, proceeds to make an exotic that has a very specific use with everything else in the season

[flint wave]

Atleast it has a niche that's practical

seems practical

[rich cosmos]

Bright grey 50 round mag makes me suffer

[gentle bramble]

Has anyone actually tried tanking something with it

[tawdry raven]

You'd think something called mosquito would have life leech

[rich cosmos]

Need mag size attribute buff, please devs

[tawdry raven]

Fire rate attribute needs more tbh

[rich cosmos]

Technically thats what ridgeways is, and they seem to hate the idea of buffing ridgeway

[drifting panther]

Plus the model is outdated

[rich cosmos]

Mag size needs to just get buffed to at least 15 rounds

[tawdry raven]

21 rnd revolver

[gentle bramble]

There’s a link to an explosive build in the spreadsheet but it’s a link to Imgur that’s 404

[urban latch]

the link is working for me? is it not working for anyone else?

[urban latch]

does this link work?

[hexed steppe]

Works for me @urban latch

[slate wedge]

same

btw why are you using 2 pieces wyvern on the optional build?

[hexed steppe]

2pc is status

Could very easily be 1 wyvern 1 btsu +hive as secondary skill. Personally really love btsu on the build

[slate wedge]

not worth it on a mortar build over strategic allignment in that case

[hexed steppe]

Maybe not on alternate. I use force multiplier on my setup which hits a lot harder 😎

Also the 2pc wyvern suggested still leaves room for the china piece that could be strategic alignment...

[lunar wadi]

is there a guide on how incoming repairs work?
what skills it affects, the formula etc

[onyx sage]

it just increases the amount of repairs you receive via skills.

20% incoming repairs makes you receive 20% more, from your or allied skills that heal

if you have incoming repairs AND repair skills, then they are multiplicative

in short it's just receivedHealing = baseRepair × (1 + repairSkills) × (1 + incomingRepairs) × π(1 + otherHealingIncreases)

only important thing is to remember it only affects healing via skills, so healing from say catharsis isn't affected by incoming repairs

[lunar wadi]

thank you!

[tawdry flare]

Where did the π come from

[onyx sage]

π means product

[tawdry flare]

Ahh ok like Sigma i forgot that

[flint wave]

pi

[gentle bramble]

It was the first on this screenshot

[urban latch]

oh, that ones not mine, I think its outdated at this point

[tawdry flare]

Imgur has auto delete iirc

[gentle bramble]

yeah both imgur albums are dead. np, thanks!

[tawdry flare]

Fi

[sudden fog]

i dunno if theres a point making hunters fury if striker is meta

[hazy steeple]

Both work just fine in Heroic, Strikers just kills faster because it's entirely focused around killing.
HF has the added benefit of disorientating people, healing with less effort, and your weapon choice is a lot wider than "good AR + acs-12 shotgun"

[gentle bramble]

I like HF. But I play the crit version not very well. I think striker is kinda boring?

[rich cosmos]

(It is)

[hazy steeple]

the crit version is pretty easy to make amazing, thankfully.
How I run mine is just 4xHF, Memento BP, and a ceska chest.
then I throw on my old mp5 w/strained, whatever gun I want to enjoy passively (currently using the Enforcer shotgun) and turn on a podcast to farm.

[rich cosmos]

Strikers almost has the same issue has the new gear set we got this season, that being there is very little actual change in gameplay that you have to make because of how simplistic the talent is

Means it gets boring faster

[solar sable]

I'll take a ss if you don't mind

[hazy steeple]

Just copy Raucey's version in the spreadsheet, I did.

[solar sable]

pinned?

[urban latch]

the head hunter version of HF is argubly stronger than strikers, and a standard crit hunters fury can absolutely match strikers in the majority of content.

[onyx sage]

yeah, his is among many guides listed in the pinned sheet

[hazy steeple]

yep, that spreadsheet is going to be half your existence in the game at first. It's just so very useful.

[solar sable]

ty!

[hazy steeple]

the only major tweak I made is that I use it with Mad Bomber, because it weirds out random groups.

[onyx sage]

this is hunter's fury: #td2-build-advice message

[random sigil]

whats the difference between the crit and standard strikers?

[onyx sage]

crit IS standard striker

[urban latch]

whoops, meant to say HF not strikers there

[onyx sage]

i thought you meant high end lol

[random sigil]

ah okay, thank you

[onyx sage]

crit HF is very comfy

[hazy steeple]

pure "podcast whilst an Apparel Event is on" kinda build.

[solar sable]

hum

[surreal depot]

With chameleon

[onyx sage]

where your chameleon headhunter video

[surreal depot]

Secret strats

[gentle bramble]

The only thing I can say about HF is that you need to get used to run to the enemies

[urban latch]

HF used to be the "OMG everything else doesnt compete with it" set even after striker got buffed to where it currently is, and it wasnt until ad rush got nerfed that HF fell off. And it wasnt until the incursion that people realized "oh shit, strikers is good"

[covert meadow]

I'm trying to build this ouroboros hunter fury build, in the pin section it shows in the picture a solkov backpack, is there an alternate option outside of that piece I can use to build this build?

[urban latch]

memento, grupo, or ceska

[covert meadow]

Oh ok ty @urban latch tyvm bro

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon headhunter on story ?

[rich cosmos]

@surreal depot Need a recommendation on a build where chameleon won’t be garbage

[tropic pagoda]

Does anybody knows a build that blinds in pvp with every shot?

[rich cosmos]

Yeah thats called hacking

[tropic pagoda]

Found top 0.8% player in DZ and well let's say it was not fun xD

[wise swallow]

truama

[wise swallow]

and who would that be

[tropic pagoda]

pve bot or smth like that

[wise swallow]

ik who that is

also theres no ranking for DZ players

[tropic pagoda]

I'm a really casual player and so I'm not accusing anyone of anything since I don't know even 10% of things you can do with builds

[wise swallow]

hes not cheating afaik. likely just got hit with trauma

[tropic pagoda]

Ty for explaining I will do some research on it

[bright hedge]

Toying around with a build concept, would like input on which way to tweak it. PvE primarily solo.

Current build:
Gunner Specialization
Vedmedysta Chest (Weapon Damage, CHC and CHD)
Contractor's Gloves (Weapon Damage, CHD)
Good Times LMG with Reload Speed in third slot (planning on changing to Rate of Fire)

4x Negotiator's Dilemma, all with CHD
3x CHC mods
C79 optic and 7.62 Muzzle Brake
Handstop, and Tactical Small Pouch for even faster reload
Gets me to 59/137; not amazing, but coupled with ND's 4piece effect, it spreads a lot of damage around.

I think regardless of version, I'm going to reroll the ND pieces to Armor cores for a bit more survivability. I may also ditch the Contractor's for regular Petrov gloves; gets me that last 1% CHC, lets me get a little more CHD.

Variant idea 1: Swap Vedmedysta with a Petrov Obliterate Chest. That will get me more CHD.

Variant idea 2: Swap Vedmedysta for Negotiator's chest with CHD, and replace mask, holster, or kneepads with another piece of Petrov. Trades Perfectly Braced for ND chest talent (2 additional marked targets).

Thoughts/suggestions?

[covert meadow]

@urban latch how is this bro?

[tawdry flare]

Also many people forget about nego

[tawdry flare]

The vigilance is going to be pita to keep up use something like unstoppable force.

[covert meadow]

Ok tyvm @tawdry flare and everything else good to go?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah rock solid

Btw @urban latch fh was changed to pellet did obliterate get same thing treatment?

[tawdry flare]

You can use firewall shield for the DMG buff to npcs

[covert meadow]

Ok cool thanks alot @tawdry flare 👍

[urban latch]

If your positioning is good, vigilance is good. Keep in mind the shield taking damage doesn't deactivate vigilance, so use that to your advantage

[covert meadow]

@urban latch oh wow ok, so I can use firewallshield, keep the vigilance as long as I'm in Cover I'm good?

[urban latch]

You can lose vigilance if your in "cover system" cover. Ideally you'll use body high cover to block line of sight to most ads, and use your shield to protect you against only what you are actively shooting at

[tawdry flare]

Since the tactic is to be up close NPCs vigi can be a debate

To be able to keep on or off on hh doesn't matter cause you need for initial stack and if you are one shotting NPCs it won't matter much but in critical hf

4s is a lot

[covert meadow]

Ok yall both hit high marks and highly appreciate both yall guidance, I have both thankfully and I'll get out in the field and see what fits my style, because when I'm out of cover I take the most damage opposed to in Cover I can kinda set up my next move better

I'll definitely let yall know how it go 👍

[tawdry flare]

Yeah take vigilance for test drive and change accordingly to how you see fit but except that it is all good you can go memento intimidate too

Or adrenaline rush intimidate

There are more options now

[covert meadow]

Now momento honestly is my best piece I have out of everything

It's maxed rolled

[tawdry flare]

4pcs hf memento scorpion is a cheese build

[covert meadow]

Lmao

Eh I love parmeasean the best 👌

[buoyant berry]

Just hit lvl 40

Anything I should purchase for my build (I plan on running gunner)

[gentle bramble]

I largely understimate the difficulty of finding pieces of gear with Skill Damage

[bright hedge]

You want all specializations unlocked, as all have benefits for different game modes and playstyles.

Focus on 2 aspects simultaneously:

1. filling your level 40 recalibration library; any time you get an item with a maxed stat roll or talent you don’t have stored, save it to the library so you can recalibrate items that are almost perfect.

2. earning XP so you can increase watch/SHD level to at least 1k; 2k is the goal for max health increase, but 1k is floor for bonuses to armor, crit chance/damage, etc

[left venture]

Yo has anyone who plays pvp delved into health builds? I've seen one dude on two separate occasions just demolishing players and surviving in a 2-man team.

He was running a low armor high health build

[gentle lichen]

Health builds don't synergise with healer builds or efficient survivalist medkits

Or the insta medkit

Only thing they got going for them is the firewall medkit

[gusty tapir]

so I attempted Floor 100 on Heroic summit, but the old tactic of the lobby pull does not work anymore, Any build I could use to defeat said hunters?

[gentle bramble]

It's not the official exactly way but the 1886 rifle with determined is pretty funny. If I build enough Hunter's Fury stacks I can actually chain kill people/leaders on CP4. Got like 11 head shot kill bonus few minutes ago 😄

[tawdry flare]

You can't chainkill named with 1886 but can do it with m870

[gentle lichen]

Just switch weapon

[cedar tapir]

Isn't tac 308 more useful on this build after its rpm boost?

[gentle lichen]

I guess they wanna use the shield

Though i recommend striker shield for the amp increase

[cedar tapir]

Ah right

[left venture]

It can if you know how work with it. The dude was running clutch with all reds and actively using the insta medkit. He was relying on keeping his armor up the whole time. Clutch was saving his hide

I'm testing a version of the build out today

[gentle lichen]

No ninja? Because i saw a ninja version and it was 1.7m

What was the amount of health they had?

[torn crystal]

Hey is there someone who grinds conflict and can give me build advice? I keep on dying and i wanna have a chance in that gamemode at least

[left venture]

No it was perfect clutch and obliterate

Mfer was deleting people trying to face tank him

His health wouldn't deplete because he was constantly getting armor from clutch

He had no hazpro but was using a healing hive to cleanse effects

[gentle lichen]

I think i won't get it until i fight such a build

[left venture]

I had the same thought lol

Until I tried fighting him with standard meta builds

My 1.6 mil Artillery turret build did pack him up nicely tho

[unborn plover]

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt, but I'm getting back into pvp (especially conflict, ganking in DZ isn't my cup of tea), and I wanted to know if you have any pvp builds to share ? With the new resolve changes and all

[torn crystal]

I could need that aswell, you are on point with that question. Thanks

[tawny coyote]

If you wanna snipe, do 3 hotshots, 2 hamburg gear, contractors. With GC and vig. Weapon of choice is model 700 with determined or lucky shot

[obsidian scaffold]

1.3 vigilance perfect efficient is nice

With a capacitor with max dmg to amor and dtoc

Armour

[glossy scarab]

man i came so close to a unicorn habsburg but it came with vigilnce weapon handling and crit chance instead of hsd

[cinder gazelle]

There are many builds you can use. But one of the more common builds are perfect efficient armor regen ourobouros builds

[unborn plover]

noted, will try that

...once I get the ouroboros

[hazy steeple]

There is a list of builds for PvP in the spreadsheet, they're likely still fine for this update.

[tulip charm]

Daily life of an habs farmer

[tulip charm]

Good thing today is reset day!

[cinder gazelle]

You can use lady death if you have it

[gentle bramble]

Was that a question? For some heavies or higher health I switch to the shotgun 😂

[tawdry flare]

Not a question

[young timber]

just a question ive rerolled my backfire trying to get DTOC on it but i havent gotten one yet out of my 6-7 rerolls does anyone know if its even possible to get dtoc on the backfire after the changes ?

[vestal ibex]

You can, you're just having bad luck.

[young timber]

ahh okay thank u

[left venture]

Man it sucks that Oreo is so strong that it blows everything out of the water (PVP)

Everything just melts in front of it

[sullen sun]

Look ok for a seeker build?

[vestal ibex]

Why tech spec over demo? Also china would probably be better than vile.

[flint wave]

the 7 skill tier build:

[sullen sun]

Hell yeah try it 😆

[tawdry flare]

Remove vile use 2pcs groupo 3 empress 1 china for DMG and demo spec

[sullen sun]

For bleed?

[vestal ibex]

You said seeker build right? Or is this masking as a status build?

[tawdry flare]

For seeker DMG cause explosive DMG is better stat for seeker you can go hw for seeker spam

[flint wave]

hardwired is mid

[sullen sun]

Sry I should’ve said seeker/bleed build

[sullen sun]

I agree

[vestal ibex]

Oh well if you wanna hybrid a build idk you'll have to test a bunch cause it's gonna be worse than going all in on one thing.

[tawdry flare]

Mhh you can do one with btsu stinger and seeker

I created one for fun

3pcs empress 1 china 1 wyvern and 1 btsu

Stinger hive and seeker

[shy willow]

I've only seen hard wired for razorback

Or like goofy seeker spam

[tawdry flare]

Good to make legendary NPCs run around

[tawdry flare]

What do you think @vestal ibex of the combo

[shy willow]

So less for hitting things and more for drawing things out of cover

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

Bleed trap is busted as well

[vestal ibex]

The numbers you get from a unicorn build vs HW seeker which you can build in 5 minutes is like 25% damage but you really can spam seekers so idk how it compares overall.

[sullen sun]

Agreed

[tawdry flare]

Seeker with emp jammer is better than 25%

[sullen sun]

How’s it compare to a status seeker though?

[tawdry flare]

It doesn't exist afaik

[vestal ibex]

Bleed is junk imo and that's how most look at it too.

[tawdry flare]

Only for legendary npcs

[shy willow]

Bleed is hands down the worst status effect

[tawdry flare]

Definitely but the bleed trap does massive DMG

Not the bleed status itself

Same with stinger bleed is null and void on them

[sullen sun]

This was tearing me a new a hole in conflict

[vestal ibex]

I've never used bleed trap but it's probably like the stinger where the explosion is like 95% of the damage right?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but it hits pretty hard

[vestal ibex]

Combined arms with perfect in sync will do that.

Also if this is PVP inspired that will change everything.

[sullen sun]

It is

[flint wave]

another 7 skill tier build

chad

[vestal ibex]

Haz pro explosive resist build is what I'd go with. Copying builds or making similar ones is good but it's good to have counters for these builds too.

[shy willow]

Why tech over demo😭

[sullen sun]

You can use Waveform over Vile for a build like that?

[tawdry flare]

Vile works only if you apply status

Some people run with 100% hazpro

Tp counter vile

[sullen sun]

@tawdry flare But why run Wave?

[vestal ibex]

You get skill damage from it vs people running a counter and you doing 0.

[left venture]

If anyone is interested in making this Global event a breeze then try out this build. It has 100% hazpro, 10% armor on kill and 1P armor regen and will one tap every NPC.

-Ninja bag

-1P Cavalier- redcore and HSD

-1P Yaahl- red core and hazpro+HSD

-1P Ceska- redcore and Hazpro+HSD

-1P belstone-redcore and hazpro+HSD

-Named D&H mask- redcore and hazpro

There's a Belstone CP in the NY vendor that has the most important piece. It comes with hazpro+HSD and Headhunter so you grab it and roll it to a red.

Run the Gunner spec for an extra 10% armor on kill if you want. Run this build with the bulwark shield for maximum results

[gentle lichen]

Pretty much anything can 1 tap npcs

[glossy scarab]

what are you hazard protecting from

[gentle lichen]

This is literally just my armor regen reggie build and i just put on headhunter
Started dealing 41m damage

Reanimated is a joke

[left venture]

If you're playing on heroic open world with 5 directives then you'd know the NPCs have special ammo

The best part about this build is you're gonna bodyshot ever

[glossy scarab]

yea i know about special ammo. i get hit by it a fair amount

[gentle lichen]

None are really detrimental except for black tusk

[onyx sage]

yeah but like there's no reason to run this over HHF

[tawdry flare]

Is it kvd ?

[onyx sage]

not many people are going to make this build just for this GE because this GE makes any form of headshot build work lol

[tawdry flare]

Hhf Determined for beginners regulus pro

[left venture]

The D50 you're gonna use will have determined

[left venture]

Nope. Something I came up with during the last time this event was up

[gentle lichen]

I bet a rainbow 5.11 with just headhunter can solo everything

[onyx sage]

once this GE is over this build tanks

[gentle lichen]

Just have a high base damage weapon

[left venture]

Unfortunately that's true

But it's hella fun to be immune, have armor regen and armor on kill and still one tap body shot everything

[onyx sage]

i do see the value in this build, but farming for yaahl for one is pain lol

[tawdry flare]

Yeah Including legendary

[tawdry flare]

Can craft

[round zinc]

do people like,not have orbit

everytime i see sidearm talk its either regulus or d50 determined,or blb

[left venture]

You can change the Yaahl to a Providence and you will still be at 90% hazpro

[gentle lichen]

Tdi kard 😿

[round zinc]

tru

but orbit is pretty pog imo

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[gentle lichen]

On headshot ar builds yeah

[round zinc]

strikuh

[onyx sage]

nuh uh, headhunter

what's focus

[gentle lichen]

I used to see a lot of pvpers have an orbit as secondary but never understood why

But tdi with sledge has more uses tbh

[gentle lichen]

Forgot that existed after the shield peek patch

[onyx sage]

vindictor was supposed to be the last gun standing

[sullen sun]

Is ongoing directive bugged it’s not procking?

[vestal ibex]

Bugged how? It was working yesterday.

[gentle lichen]

What the fuck is vindicator

[vestal ibex]

new exotic.

[onyx sage]

exactly

[flint wave]

who's vindicator

[gentle lichen]

I know i'm bullshitting because that gun is downright horrible

[flint wave]

why's vindicator

[sullen sun]

Nvm I got it

[vestal ibex]

I mean they did some server junk today, breaking things is the norm.

[rich cosmos]

Typical MSV to make an exotic completely worthless and then never buff it or acknowledge it again

If they actually acknowledged how bad some exotics are and made buffs maybe people would actually use different builds, like what they want

[gentle lichen]

Ooga booga 90% health ceska 3pc

[tidal sierra]

Why do so many builds use picaros holster?

[tulip charm]

I hope you’re talking about pvp

[glossy scarab]

must be

[tidal sierra]

Pve, a lot of MMR hotshot builds say to use it. I'm just trying to figure out if I should grind for it or use a different holster. It's the last gear piece I "need" for what was recommended to me. I have hotshot gear set with airaldi BP and determined on my MMR.

[urban latch]

What lol

[tulip charm]

Must be the youtube hotshot ninja build then

[tidal sierra]

That's why I'm confused I guess. I don't see why it was recommended to me. It was recommended from a few in my guild after sharing a ninja build instead.

[tulip charm]

3 piece hotshot right?

[tidal sierra]

This is the adjusted one after recommendations. Not everything is filled out correctly.

[urban latch]

Basically they are getting the same WD, blue core, and hsd from that piece, so I kind of get it. That said, I don't think the blue core is really worth anything.

[tidal sierra]

For backstory, I'm just getting back into the game with the rect update. Been over a year since I played. I love MMR headshot builds so I was making a new one with gear I haven't used yet.

[tulip charm]

The blue core and the brand bonus is not useful in that build lol

[urban latch]

Also no reason to have crit on there, just go handling for your second attribute

[tidal sierra]

With chaining headshots on hotshot gear, armor doesn't seem necessary since you can stack armor on from chain killing.

[round zinc]

but nobody ever asks:hows vindicator

sadge

[tidal sierra]

Correct, I didn't realize you could have multiple of the same attributes with gear mods. I'm running as much HS as I can and then handling after that.

[round zinc]

eventually they’ll nerf m1a for arbitrary bs like “too strong”

[gentle lichen]

@left venture This and all blue will still perform best

[gentle lichen]

You can even put another brazos for a skill tier on glove

[urban latch]

Give this a look. It's not updated for the recent update, so the suggestions for high end MMRs is outdated, but everything else is the same

[left venture]

Yeah I have this one but if you get hit with fire rounds it's over

[gentle lichen]

It's easy to farm except for memento

[gentle lichen]

Huh?

You are behind a car door

[rich cosmos]

The devs talking about “we don’t want to make meta exotics”
Meanwhile half of them are actually worse than using high end gear

[gentle lichen]

With artificer

[left venture]

NPCs have special ammo and one of them is incendiary

[gentle lichen]

I know but what's the issue of getting lit up while being behind a 14m car door that constantly regenerates 40% of its health?

[flint wave]

if it was better then high end gear then it would be a meta exotic

[round zinc]

sweet dreams

[left venture]

None really but I'd prefer to be immune to it because I can

[rich cosmos]

The issue is nobody actually wants to ever use most of the exotics in game

[tulip charm]

Sweet dream had a purpose at some point compared to some recent exotics they made

[gentle lichen]

Simple and plain. Most are shit

[rich cosmos]

Its more insulting how little they buff exotics

[gentle lichen]

You want a gun to fail you in combat? Can't be me

[round zinc]

i still dont understand doctor home

[rich cosmos]

There are so many exotics that just need small buffs its not even funny

[round zinc]

ok so its a mild m1a with 15% aok for your entire team

[rich cosmos]

Its 10%

[tulip charm]

I heard that doc is bugged atm

Procing on hs

[rich cosmos]

doctor home is using the headshot version from the test server, but its buggy and sometimes doesn’t proc

[round zinc]

except as a dps player your armor is non existent and stacking blue makes your rifle a nerf rifle.
which ironically fits cuz it looks just like one

[rich cosmos]

We desperately need a project resolve for exotic gear

So many exotics need buffs its not even funny

[sullen sun]

Should I use Vile on this?

[glossy scarab]

its worth a try. i dont know how high your pestilence ticks will be with that build but some extra damage on top of the bleed might buff it enough to mayyybe be useful

[rustic marsh]

Incursion worthy or hell no?

[glossy scarab]

oof someones gonna ask you to change builds

[gentle lichen]

Hell no

[tulip charm]

Ditch the ninjabike for a striker bag

And get a coyote or groupo mask

[rustic marsh]

Not using it yet just testing it out.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i understand. its not a bad build im just saying incursionn ppl arent likely to approve

[rustic marsh]

Yeah I think thats what RougeGold suggested, I was going to try that next.

[tulip charm]

That build is just asking to get yourself killed

Not even joking

[gentle lichen]

That build is supposed to be for incursion

[vestal ibex]

I'd use the pinned spreadsheet.

I actually have screenshots of some builds. I use these in duos tho.

Turrets

Tanker

Wright love birds

Turrets might need some skills for turrets tho.

[tulip charm]

Just give him one!

[glossy scarab]

ok then. this would do more damage

[tulip charm]

He just needs to clear it

[rustic marsh]

Only want a build good enough to not be a total burden and die constantly, I just want the Oroborus and then never to try the thing again probably 😂

[vestal ibex]

I always use three different builds.

[tulip charm]

Just pick the 2nd picture its good enough for the whole incursion

[vestal ibex]

Are you doing LFGs or ingame matchmaking?

[rustic marsh]

I've not done anything at all, I was trying to get a build sorted before trying it.

[vestal ibex]

Noice. Well ingame MM is gonna be a mixed bag. Could be 1 hour or 20 minutes or a DNF. LFGs in discord on this server or others with VC can net you teaching incursions.

[gentle lichen]

Who's DNF? Do Not Finish?

[vestal ibex]

Like fun said that pick of grupo/ceska is fine for the entire incursion.

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[vestal ibex]

Yurp, if someone quits on wright or lovebirds you can't matchmake anymore so invite a friend or start over.

[rustic marsh]

Which one would that be sorry?

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message

[gentle lichen]

I thought that was a clan tag lmao thought you were dissing them

[rustic marsh]

And that would be with all Weapon damage, Crit hit chance and crit hit damage?

[vestal ibex]

Yurp. The incursion is a dps check. It's not hard and I've done a duo in 11 minutes with those builds I linked. It's all about DPS.

[rustic marsh]

Is that the Banshee pulse or the normal one?

[tulip charm]

Emp

[rustic marsh]

Ahhh for the turrets and drones I assume?

[tulip charm]

For the drones mainly

For turret you switch to decoy

[rustic marsh]

What kinda DPS should I be aiming for on the range?

[vestal ibex]

I'm actually using a scanner pulse and hot swapping a sticky emp for drones but ignore the skills and use reviver/decoy/jammer/sticky emp/shield as needed.

[vestal ibex]

Range is buggy and unreliable. I forget the crit's you'd hit but I wanna say like 1.3 mil crits on a perfect build with elmo.

I think that's headshots too, I really don't remember off the top of my head. Maybe someone else knows.

[rustic marsh]

Its annoying because that Backfire build I quite liked and the guy on Youtube was saying it was purely made for incursion, But the more I used it the more I had a feeling it wouldnt be up to spec.

[shy willow]

Yeah I don't think 1.3m will be body shots

I hit about 1m with EB on the body

[urban latch]

Whoever that YTer is saying to use the backfire for incursions is not a good source of info....

[rustic marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IiEQxh-18&t=316s It was this.

[vestal ibex]

Backfire takes so long to ramp up that your damage is at a total loss over the entire fight.

[urban latch]

So many YTers just spam build videos so they have content to put out tk feed the algorithm, not because the info is good or useful

[vestal ibex]

Honestly if you wanna really put out some damage, stack with acs 12 and use a scorpio.

[rich cosmos]

I find it insanely funny how the devs explicitly said it wasn’t a damage check

Meanwhile one of the bosses is timed and the final encounter gets harder if you don’t kill one on the damage phase

[rustic marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwMPdrN4PQ&t=109s Would this be the kinda thing you meant?

[west trellis]

Been trying to make the mosquito work so far deflector sideways pride has seen success I'm wondering what I could change or if anyone has any improvements for mosquito deflector build

[urban latch]

Yeah.... Not a good source of info...

[vestal ibex]

I really do wonder how the devs expected lovebirds to play out. Like how is that fight intended.

[urban latch]

There's really no reason to run armor cores and PFE in the incursion

[shy willow]

I've been thinking of slotting it into an aegis hybrid build but I don't have it yet

[west trellis]

Hm could you please explain further sounds interesting

[shy willow]

T6 decoy with Regen and some blues

[rustic marsh]

So you would agree with the others that this is probably the best to copy?

[shy willow]

Probably garbage but it sounds interesting

[west trellis]

Could be interesting a skill aegis build

[shy willow]

It'll do you well in both the incursion and everywhere else

It's a great build template

[shy willow]

Yeah just tryna find the most ways to draw aggro

[west trellis]

Ninja backpack or no ?

[urban latch]

Yes. For context souless literally holds the WR for the incursion, he knows what he's talking about. The "definitive guide" video you linked is a rushed build video from when the incursion was released, and made by a content spamming YTer who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[shy willow]

Ye

[rich cosmos]

This again furthers the fact that I don’t believe they actually know how to balance the game

[shy willow]

I feel horrid using ninja but I want it to stack w brazos

[rustic marsh]

Thank's guys you've all been very kind and helpful given I'm a bit stupid about this kinda stuff.

[rich cosmos]

Wouldn’t ninjabike be somewhat good now with how good capacitor is?

[vestal ibex]

PVP builds yeah.

[shy willow]

Surreal stuff that is

[vestal ibex]

Most skill builds that use cap gain a lot from the backpack talent. That's why it's not very good using ninja BB.

[rich cosmos]

Wouldn’t you be able to stack enough skill tiers to make it useful in pve?

[shy willow]

You lose things like combined arms

[vestal ibex]

Skill tier increases aren't why skills do damage, it's the set and talents that really bring out skill damage, although the cap on a skill build will out DPS your skills....

[buoyant berry]

Does shd lvl change the stats on weapons? For instance will my weapon I use at lvl 40 have less stats than a weapon I pick up at lvl 1000?

I was looking through and it looks like hunters fury would be my favorite to use so I planned on farming it

[devout iris]

What build can you make with the new aegis gear set?

[bright hedge]

SHD 1000 gets you 10% crit chance, 20% crit damage, and a bunch of other little bonuses. Doesn’t affect drops, just grants you a little help for builds

[tidal sierra]

@urban latch does this make more sense? 5mil damage per head shot with white death, 4.8mil for a m700carbine (my preference, feels better to use)

[buoyant berry]

Okay nice, so I can farm my equipment now and increasing lvls won’t affect me having to farm again

[urban latch]

I would use the perfect HH chainkiller chest, and an airaldi backpack, but yeah that looks much better

[tidal sierra]

Why airaldi over habs?

[hexed steppe]

Easier to farm

[shy willow]

Habs extremely difficult to farm

[glossy scarab]

farm for those pieces and tell me why not habs

[urban latch]

As long as your over 150% hsd, which is very easy with MMRs, WD is much more important than hsd.

[flint wave]

can't run chainkiller with double hab on 4 hotshot

[tidal sierra]

Haven't tried farming for habs so I guess I'll ignore that lol. Just getting back into this so I need something to work towards. Still only shd 100....I am baby.

[vestal ibex]

There is a sniper build called the 321 build. It's 3 hots, 2 habs, 1 airaldi. It's for when your bored and wanna waste time farming/optimizing and wanna see big numbers the top end of HH stacks. It's not needed at all.

[tidal sierra]

Also only planning on playing solo pve content. Been getting away from pvp and trying to find people to play with as my schedule is wonky. Only about 4 hours a week to play games anymore.

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic has a very low bar of entry for the MMR builds btw, you can use super scuff stuff for it.

[hexed steppe]

So the rebalance of reanimated is kinda rediculous 😂
Swapped over to memento hotshot which is normally around 25mil and its hitting over 80mil.

Hhhf regulus i saw a hit for 76mil.

One could literally run around with chainkiller and anything else and dominate in his event 🤣

[rich cosmos]

Thats not what Im saying at all

[vestal ibex]

I think just a punch drunk is all you need.

[rich cosmos]

Im saying your getting the benefits of skill tiers while getting the damage from capacitor, meaning the gap of lost damage is lessened

[flint wave]

you could probably solo legendary with a grey build and a determined sniper with reanimated

if grey pieces could have talents

[vestal ibex]

I mean sure but ninja BB is still gonna net you a loss, I think the only reason it's good for PVP is cause cap can have DTTOOC otherwise it wouldn't be so much.

[hexed steppe]

For pve skill with ninja you are losing 20%/25%/30% total skill damage. Its kind of a huge damage loss

Better off with memento if really wanting an exo backpack on the build

[flint wave]

trueism

[tawdry flare]

Also the 1.8 million health

[vestal ibex]

I hope one day they just make a tiny change where ninja BB gives a bonus brand set at 1.X times the brand set bonus.

[rich cosmos]

Anyways has MSV acknowledged that shield splinterer doesn’t have its weapon skin?

[flint wave]

ninja bp should be allowed to max out one brandset

[vestal ibex]

Just wear 2pc...

[hexed steppe]

Nothing you change about ninja will make it better tbf

[tawdry flare]

Or 6pcs

[flint wave]

2pc too much loss

[hexed steppe]

Itll always be loss

[flint wave]

:(

[rich cosmos]

I think I said it once, give ninja bike backpack the ability to change one of its cores into another core, like having an extra skill instead of armor

[flint wave]

It maxes out every brand and gear set instead of adding +1 to brand and gear sets

[hexed steppe]

Wouldn't matter. Missing a big multiplier still. Trading off for mostly trash attributes

[flint wave]

ever wanted a 1pc striker 1pc negotiator 1pc umbra 1pc hunter fury 1pc heartbreaker nbb?

5 talent build

[hexed steppe]

No

[flint wave]

me neither

[hexed steppe]

[vestal ibex]

That's not how I saw that going in my head

[tawdry flare]

He won

[dreamy valve]

@flint wave https://youtu.be/_Bjr7NSuc18?si=9Jyjt2SS9j4Bl0rq

Looks like it can be good

[sudden fog]

Bro can u show me that build

[tulip charm]

Man he has full memento buff at the start 😦

[shy willow]

Probably hit up air force one before starting

[vestal ibex]

Dude should have just don't regulus HH...

[flint wave]

is this literally acs only

[dreamy valve]

yeah

[flint wave]

bruh

And not even the optimal acs smh

[dreamy valve]

that players seems to like fast hands with it I dont get it either

[rapid depot]

Anyone know how to make a good glass Canon build?

[dreamy valve]

mwhu?

[hidden creek]

Anyone has a proper pestilenz build ?

[urban latch]

☝️

[west trellis]

So with a 6 skill and the holo and a bulwark the mosquito pistol can definitely help keep stacks of aegis

I'm wondering what other gear pieces would help

[magic pilot]

Too many blue cores for having skill tier 6

I would change the picaros to yellow core and run a high end backpack and swap the chill out for aegis

[west trellis]

🧐 hmm what pack talent you thinking?

[magic pilot]

Protector for team buff or vigi so you can dish out a little dmg

Or ad rush for personal armor

[west trellis]

Okay okay the idea of the build was less about damage and more for pulling agro and tanking

[magic pilot]

Protector then

Would buff the teams armor up constantly for the enemy's that aren't on you or the decoy

Ad rush would help you tank some extra rounds from flanking enemy or status/explosive drones

[west trellis]

Yeah I'll definitely have to take a look

[flint wave]

protector seems good

[magic pilot]

The blue cores just aren't adding much Imo since shield has a ton of health and is maxed from skill tier and you are drawing agro off with the decoy

[flint wave]

It synergies with being hit alot

[magic pilot]

And goes well with a team buff build

[west trellis]

Okay okay thank you 🙌

I'll start putting it together

[muted hare]

Hey guys hope everyone is having a blessed day is the bulwark gear set worth grinding?

[tulip charm]

If you want a tank set for whatever reason or ih tank

[muted hare]

Would you recommend having that gear set just in case or eh

[tulip charm]

Well if you don’t see yourself doing tank stuff then no

[candid egret]

Anyone got a good burn damage build

Trying to burn as many cleaners as possible as quick as possible

[vestal ibex]

Fire EP This build is one among many you can find in the pinned spreadsheet of this channel.

[candid egret]

Ohhh thank you I didn’t know about that

[devout iris]

Has anyone got an aegis scorpion build or something? Cause I'm possibly doing that

[rich cosmos]

Any recommendations on a bluescreen build

[magic pilot]

How do you get links like that

[flint wave]

High end or negotiators

[vestal ibex]

[text that gets displayed](hyperlink here)

[magic pilot]

Thank you

[vestal ibex]

You're welcome

[blissful rampart]

so thats how its done!! brb need to add that to the server Bot 😈

[acoustic coral]

@true thunder Something like this #td2-build-advice message

[true thunder]

The pistol build?

[acoustic coral]

No, all you need is those two pictures of your build

[true thunder]

Hsd or crit?

I did

[acoustic coral]

You look at the pictures I sent - then you take them and send them in here

[true thunder]

Or I thought I did?

WTF

There idk what happened to the one I sent a couple minutes ago

I now realized what had happened lol

I been farming for better stats on the gear for a couple days almost a week now

[urban latch]

When you said your using a shotgun to build stacks, did you mean your pistol?

[acoustic coral]

I do want to note that it's not necessary to use a shotgun to build stacks. I rarely do so.

[true thunder]

The loadout I have saved is older I just had equipped it

[true thunder]

Yeah I don’t always do it

[urban latch]

Ok. The whole point of shotgun to build stacks is using the acs12 specifically, not just shotguns in general.

[true thunder]

Just in somewhere like countdown I want it quick

[true thunder]

Yeah I use this when I feel the need to

Just don’t got a good roll one

[acoustic coral]

You're missing a shit ton of CHD. More than the 20% from watch

[true thunder]

With both attributes and talent

[acoustic coral]

I'm still missing 12% on that build.

[true thunder]

But I could either choose a talent or the 10% to out of cover

[true thunder]

I know

I can’t get shit to drop

😐👍 welcome to my world of pain

My coyote mask only has 9.9 chd

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, just can't be complaining about the SHD levels when you're lacking the correct rolls. Get to farming. Ceska chest with obliterate. Correct rolls and gear mods. Doesn't have to be perfect rolls. It has to be correct rolls

[true thunder]

And my mods are chc so then I’ll be able to crit

Otherwise I mind as well play a fuckin healer

And look pretty

[tulip charm]

God would I love a pocket healer whenever I do my weekies

[true thunder]

Ps? HMU 🙂

[tulip charm]

No ps atm )=

[true thunder]

I will look pretty on your screen

Damn

[tulip charm]

it do be like that

[true thunder]

It be sad on ps

I miss pc

Being level 1000

Having my rifle build 😔

[acoustic coral]

I want to hit the guy that started the whole "let's type 2 words, send, then another 2 words" movement. It's horrible. I don't get how you can even be bothered to do it on here with 5 second slowmode enabled
But seriously. Stop complaining about watch level - your build doesn't have correct rolls. I'm not talking about max rolls, that comes with time, I'm talking about correct rolls.

[true thunder]

Yeah and I can’t get the other rolls to drop

Been trying for almost a week now for the same thing

And if my text bothers you

Make it not bother you

People like you piss me off because you think so much about how this doesn’t matter but yet my 2% on a mask or any other place is missing that 2% my point being I can have that 2% in the watch that I don’t have so I’m essentially missing more damage that I could be producing the fact the you and everyone else that was typing to me almost makes my head hurt with how much it hurts to talk to you because it feels like I’m talking to a wall better off not typing leaving you in your habitat

Anyways thanks to @blissful rampart for the actual helpful advice

Sorry if I’m not supposed to ping you as well

[acoustic coral]

The thing is, you're complaining about "not being able to play" and "not having a build" before you're 1000 SHD level - and that's absolute and utter bogus. I cleared Legendary DUA solo with a build at around 500 SHD level. I've played Heroic since - I don't know - sub 100 SHD level. I more or less only play solo.
If you want actual helpful advice - which we've been trying to give - you cannot focus on minor stats from the watch, when there are other major upgrades to be gotten.

There's a ton of niche builds that only really comes alive with 1000 SHD level such as the Backfire Bleed build, but even that is possible sub 1000 - it's just not as efficient. But sub 1000 shd level, you most likely don't have the gear yet to go for such a niche build anyways.

[true thunder]

The problem is the time invested to get to level 1000

I’ve done it once already

Doing it 2 times

Fuccccccccck

[blissful rampart]

nah ping is fine.

[true thunder]

👍🙏

[gentle bramble]

What should I look for on a D50?

[gentle lichen]

Dtoc

[wide silo]

other then maxing out the Backpack, is there anything else to improve?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjGBmayYwBws6gXJS94kAmedMANgDoBWMDVLaXIiONpWKB7x73DSDFK8RfUKyGipOIviT5p07Ghb5YBQWGq00BHlGz7FBo6ZTZYh41bOogA

and the 2 Mods of course!

[gentle bramble]

Actually dtoc, who's out of cover or on cover to receive that bonus?

[supple island]

What Weapon talent should I run on a high end AR for healing teammates? I tried reformation and I don’t think it works as repair-skill does. Please let me know

[solar sable]

DTTOOC is when the enemy is out of cover, as its name says, you can be on cover or not it doesn't affect the attribute

[hexed steppe]

You could do something with future perfect. It will drive up your skill tier up to and including overcharge if you have enough skilltier in the build. Itll still rely on skills to do the healing tho

[main socket]

Any updated builds ar

[subtle valve]

Quick question, what affects signature weapon dmg? Do the stats like target out of cover, headshots, explosions apply?

[blissful rampart]

each one is different tbh.

like Gunners scales off of normal weapon stats.

while say the Tech launcher doesnt. but it scales off of explosion stat.

an Amp like GC scales them all though.

Tech and demo use explosions
Gunner and Sniper use gun stats
Flamer uses status effects
Crossbow mainly scales off of explosions, but does get scaled off status for bleed (BUT its sucky bleed still) , and gun stats for the bolt hit but not the bomb

[subtle valve]

Thanks!

[shell sun]

@pale canopy here is my setup

[gentle bramble]

Some time ago I saw a table that had CHC/CHD and crossed the multiplication on them to make it easier to decide, I can't remember where, I think it was ikia stuff?

[urban latch]

It's as simple as just multiplying your options against each other

[gentle bramble]

I am making a table again 😄

[glossy scarab]

looks like you can use HHF with a Kard and it works fine with this ge. which is nice because it handles way better than a D50

more rounds in the mag. much better fire rate

[gentle lichen]

Dmg per shot on max headhunter?

[covert meadow]

Ok....can someone please guide me on a real! Heroic level build..

I'm so tired of this false builds claiming to do this n that I just need 1 real solid pve build

[glossy scarab]

i dont know but high enough to clear stuff super fast on heroic w 5 directives

[wise swallow]

all of the builds in the spreadsheet will be more then good enough to do heroic content.
id recommend starting with striker (using gearsets mainly) , then branching into the none highend stuff when you have better high end gear

[covert meadow]

@wise swallow ok. And for guns I need to settle for nothing less then dttoc? No matter what?

[wise swallow]

you want DTOOC but if you dont have the gun with DTOOC yet, DTA works fine

DTA being damage to armour

[covert meadow]

Alright

Tyvm @wise swallow

[rich cosmos]

That makes me wonder, you think they’ll buff dta to be better than dtooc?

Its always been weird that its worse because it doesn’t cause any health damage where dtooc can work basically all the time

[onyx sage]

what about chameleon

[wise swallow]

depends. DTOOC is more universal so the DTA value atleast for me would have to be a considerable amount higher then DTOOC

[glossy scarab]

for chainkilling heads with one shot? yea sure why not

[rich cosmos]

Really hoping they actually make the buffs to these stats worth while

[wise swallow]

if they made DTA like 12% id consider it

[rich cosmos]

Same

[wise swallow]

in PVP id swap to DTA but PVE i would be 50/50

[onyx sage]

then make shotguns have 21% dta pls

[wise swallow]

shotgun meta

[onyx sage]

i'm going to use m870 in everything

[rich cosmos]

How much you want to bet we don’t get a shotgun exotic next season

[wise swallow]

I could see us getting one but its gonna be some none sense like all the new exotics. something like "1 shot adds a stack, each stack gives .5% bleed resistance. after .0002s the stacks reset"

[rich cosmos]

Id bet on another ar probably

Probably ar and shotgun

[wise swallow]

I just want good exotics rather then stuff like doctor home

dont even release an exotic if its gonna be entirely useless in all circumstances

[rich cosmos]

Ive been wanting good exotics for several seasons now

[onyx sage]

sacrum bis headhunter weapon

[rich cosmos]

They way they talked about the rugged gauntlets makes me 100% believe they don’t care at all about exotics

[onyx sage]

they'll just make a shotgun sacrum

[rich cosmos]

Im 100% sure oreo was an exception entirely because of the rate of fire

[wise swallow]

they actually thought rugged would do anything at all

i want more wacky niche exotics

like ninjabike, maybe not good but can make some goofy builds

[rich cosmos]

I want a really goofy and interesting ar

Adding exotics that are pointless like they are doing removes the point in even making new content

Honestly all the new content sucks this season

Most exciting thing is the buffs to old content

[sudden fog]

what top make after hunters fury

[wise swallow]

ND, striker, Umbra, high end DPS, blue striker

Heartbreaker

Just look at all the gearsets and see which one sounds cool and make it

brain storm some gear combos and try it out

[onyx sage]

4p HF, chainkiller, d&h vigilance backpack

hsd, then weapon handling

[sudden fog]

what was that pistol

[hexed steppe]

this ge is nuts. was 1 shotting bosses with regulus hhhf , chainkiller/memento i think you could use anything at this point and still dominate the ge 🍻

[hexed steppe]

probably regulus

[sudden fog]

is that raid one

[hexed steppe]

yeah iron horse

need 3 runs for the projects/mats/parts

[sudden fog]

damn

[hexed steppe]

if you have 2 agents you can do the 2 project runs in the same week

its not to bad, lotta people are really good and willing to help. just have to lfg a little bit

[sudden fog]

alr ty

[shy willow]

Didn't we offer you a raid

[sudden fog]

wasnt it dark hour

[shy willow]

We don't run dark hours unless we have FTCs lol

It's always IH

[onyx sage]

we just run constitution hall bounties back to back with it. it's nuts how braindead it gets

[supple island]

Thanks

[dreamy valve]

Finally a Global event thats better than Golden Bullet

[shy willow]

Me personally I can't wait to see hollywood

[wraith spire]

hey does anyone have a decent Tip of the Spear build that isn't just chain killer + sniper?

[dull ermine]

I have 2 but idk how they fair after the tip nerf to weapons. I don’t think the talent is buffed for any spec that isn’t firewall, demolitionist

Basically the setup is running the gunner minigun

Coyotes with 50% chc. Trying to reach 135 chd minimum

Chest with obliterate, tip backpack, ceska knees everything else tips

For crossbow and grenade launcher

Running the backpack with glass cannon. Ceska piece, coyotes

But with the new buff

I’m thinking tip backpack + chest, coyotes, ceska, everything else tips

they nerfed it hard imo but at least kept the ammo regen

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure your acting career will take you there one day, just keep working at it.

[wraith spire]

hmm

alright I'll give one of those a go, I had been running it with Tardigrade for rolling a ton of armor and just never going down with gunner spec

it works but it feels like it's missing something

[dull ermine]

The setup I had for gunner worked well for named enemies, tanks and heavy gunners. Because you’re up close you can lose the chc for the 25% chd

Also u wanna run it full dps

This update to the talent actually works great for the minigun

But you gotta be careful of kill stealers, I mostly used my build in countdown to deal with hunters

For the crossbow ditch the chest

Run glass cannon

[fallen comet]

on a DPS build like this, what F2000 talent should i use?

[pastel pasture]

Is there a resource on whats best for mod slots for every skill?

[dull ermine]

It’s up to preference for some

But skills that you want damage out of use skill dmg

Skills like turret + drone run skill duration and health for drone + dmg

Chems it’s up to you if you want haste, +1 ammo, duration, blast radius, damage

+1 ammo and blast radius for ensnare

Shield you want active + holstered regen + shield health

If striker then 5% and 10% amp

[main socket]

I need a ar build anyone want to help me

[hexed steppe]

afaik still strained or fasthands

[vestal ibex]

New iKia spreadsheets inbound yo.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit#gid=0

Optimal range isn't really included and I think that should be noted. Honestly everything is MUCH closer together than you'd expect.

Oh and recoil/bloom isn't a consideration either.

[devout iris]

What build can go well with the bullet king cause they buffed it's damage

[vestal ibex]

tbf almost all LMGs got buffed and BK is still very underpowered compared to all the rest. If you must make a build just use any red DPS mostly striker/nego/HE build.

[flint wave]

negotiator bullet king what an idea

[turbid fiber]

Hey yall ive been thinking about building a hotshot build cuz i love the MRs' in the game but what skills and stays should i prioritize?

[flint wave]

Tactician/striker drone and decoy

[turbid fiber]

Okay thx

[tidal sierra]

Are there any usable rifle or MMR builds for conflict? Or are they all drastically over shadowed by auto weapons?

[devout iris]

Maybe I can do that but I need to think about what to use apart from a 4 piece neg

[vestal ibex]

Contractors and coyotes probably.

[hazy steeple]

Ceska to replace the contractor's if you're low.
DtA is less useful when you aren't hitting good crits.

[vestal ibex]

Bk would be rolled CHC typically right?

[tulip charm]

rof or chc

[flint wave]

bk needs chc to compensate for its trash mods

[rich lotus]

Aside from the Optimal Range how is this for a dps build? Trying to decide if should focus on farming a better weapon or a proper striker gear set first

[vestal ibex]

Personally I'd suggest getting things in slot should be the first goal. Second goal is getting better things in those slots. Third would be to reconfigure and get stats where they should be. Then work on getting better gear.

[rich lotus]

Thanks I'll start farming for striker gear instead of ARs so I actually have the build started and can improve from there

[vestal ibex]

Just remember correct rolls over perfect rolls, oh and make sure you fill up your recal library.

[rich lotus]

Makes sense if you can just improve the rolls from being low to being maxed, and yeah I have been filling it up as much as possible

[haughty wraith]

What backpack talent would recommend for hunter fury headshot build (w/ chainkiller& determine ) ? Or should I use the hunter fury backpack or specify name backpack?

[shy willow]

Vigilance all day

[vestal ibex]

With the GE I'd suggest any backpack you need proficient tho.

[shy willow]

GE you can run essentially anything as long as you have determined and chain killer

[haughty wraith]

With Vigilance I am worry my buff would disappear because I got hit so often. What is does GE stand for?

[shy willow]

Use a shield

Vigilance doesn't go down if your shield gets hit or if it hits bonus armour

GE is the global event

[blissful inlet]

I agree with you 👍🏻

[blissful inlet]

Good luck(:

[rich lotus]

Thanks I need it, just died in countdown that's so rough

[vestal ibex]

Challenging diff?

[rich lotus]

Yeah, had like 3 minutes left to extract and my team mates were being really slow so I ended up dying waiting for them to get to the extraction area

[vestal ibex]

ooof feelsbadman yeah sometimes it can be a struggle bus but I usually wait for meat shields.

[rich lotus]

Yeah it's unfortunate

[latent bough]

For incursion healer build, should i use tge FI healer in the spreadsheet ?

[shy willow]

Yes

[latent bough]

What are repair and haste stats should i aim for ?

[shy willow]

As much as possible

[blissful inlet]

Use striker, it's the best 👌🏻

[rich lotus]

That's what I'm trying to get a base set together of

[latent bough]

Yeah but i mean, i can't have both stats on holster for exemple

[flint wave]

put skill haste on all the fi pieces

healing is already overkill

[shy willow]

Just roll haste and have repair mods

Burst healing should be more than enough for all red

[vestal ibex]

Incursion I'd go all heals.

[urban latch]

I would prioritize repair over haste, haste just largely isn't needed

[vestal ibex]

This is the suggestion for INCURSION tho.

[latent bough]

Okay and if i roll skill tier on the main stat, is it good enough or need to farm for a skill haste + skill repair one ?

[vestal ibex]

Keep armor and run tech.

[latent bough]

Yeah i'm trying to make this build only for incursion

[vestal ibex]

You want faraday for lovebirds cause martinez will emp grenade you.

[latent bough]

Don't i loose a lot compared to running survivalist ?

[shy willow]

Martinez has emps?

[slate wedge]

your healer in speeds runnign that aswell?

[vestal ibex]

Sharpshooter lol

[shy willow]

I always run survivalist

[vestal ibex]

We want that 7m sledge yo

[slate wedge]

ahh i see, i run sharpshooter in ours

healer runs demo

[slate wedge]

fair enough

[shy willow]

Healer demo huh

[urban latch]

For lfgs you really want tech

[flint wave]

neither is repair

[vestal ibex]

Speed strats tho

[slate wedge]

speeedrun strats

[shy willow]

Ohh

[slate wedge]

just for more damage

[shy willow]

Is it a faraday thing

[urban latch]

Yes

[latent bough]

Okay so play tech instead of survivalist ?

[vestal ibex]

Martinez will throw an emp grenade during the lovebirds fight, I'd say 50% of the time? idk the faster it is the less you see it.

[shy willow]

I've never noticed that oops

It's always the fuckin fire nukes

[vestal ibex]

Repair is more useful as haste is only needed for chems and you don't spam chems enough to get to 0.

[flint wave]

How much repair you need then for hive to 2 shot heal people

on fi

[latent bough]

Okay so i don't need to change core stat on my setup because tech gives me one by default

[shy willow]

It's easier that way yeah

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that extra armor will also help you a ton. You can survive a hit from wright and the second hit while stuck if you drop a heal chem and get back to full armor.

[latent bough]

Okay let's try that then, so skill repair as much as i can and haste on 3rd stats slots ?

[urban latch]

Everywhere I can I put repair skills. Everywhere else I put haste

[latent bough]

This should help get better groups to do incursion

[vestal ibex]

The hive being juiced helps on wright when you just have it on stage to heal everyone. The chems is where it'll really help cause when you've dropped a couple and are trying to heal thru martinez flames while your poopy dps struggle to get to 4 bars and don't kill the heal box for 4 healing burst.... Maybe I've done too many pubs...

[flint wave]

I'm assuming 3 repair skill mods because I don't want to recal my whole set for the third time

[shy willow]

I pick up the hive for the gas bit on wright and just heal with a chem or two cuz otherwise my charges get blasted

[vestal ibex]

Same.

[urban latch]

Btsu gloves give a shitload of haste to your hive, so you don't really need haste for the hive on the rest of your build

[vestal ibex]

But the other side of listing out why repair is good is why would haste be good? You never run out of chems right? Even on full repair I never see less than 3-4 chems.

[shy willow]

Depends on how Garbo your random MM team is I guess

[latent bough]

The aggro for Wright, it's the one that uses the water system that gets it ?

[flint wave]

sometimes you gotta use a lot of chems when ur not playing incursion ig

[vestal ibex]

First aggro is who is closest, who turns water, or who is closest when someone who has aggro goes down.

[shy willow]

Yes

On that note has anyone tested mosquito on wright and lovebirds

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah raids, legendary, open world all have a different amount which I'd say is more dependent on your team.

[flint wave]

with that being said this my attempt at a countdown friendly healer

you'll never guess what the blue attributes are

[latent bough]

Okay, gonna farm some gear to make this

[shy willow]

Health

[urban latch]

You have faraday, just use that instead of haz pro...

[vestal ibex]

We tried something with lovebirds but ehhhh idk it didn't seem to do what we wanted so I figure I'll mess with it in pubs or something.

[flint wave]

What if the hive gets hacked

or I can't always stand on top of the hive

[urban latch]

It only does if a hunter has line of sight

[shy willow]

I wonder if it pulls wrights aggro tbh

[flint wave]

yeah it seems that line of sight requirement isn't very strict

[vestal ibex]

Bro the healing hive can pull wrights aggro.

I got a good clip of it too. I did a cover to cover move that was super long and I think it might have bugged his aggro. Not really sure, haven't tested it too much.

[tulip charm]

yeah its possible funny when it happens

[urban latch]

Now replicate it lol

[latent bough]

Wait

Why does the furture chest only has 1 substats slot ?

[shy willow]

What the hell

[shy willow]

Gear set items only have one attribute

[latent bough]

I actually never noticed that

I need new glasses

What mods do i put on hive and launcher ?

[devout iris]

Well I got a 4 red neg with coyote and a grupo cheat piece with obliterate

[shy willow]

I run that exact same thing although I've been contemplating swapping my chest for contractors

I vaguely remember someone mentioning it double dips on Nego

That one guy that did the bluescreen dilemma build I haven't seen him in a damn while

[latent bough]

So i end up with something like that

[vestal ibex]

lol I have no idea what these numbers should be. I've kinda changed my mind on the healing/haste ratio as time goes on. I really think it's a go full heals and if you run out of chems put haste mods in, still running out? Recal 1-2 haste on. Chems down to 14 seconds? Your team sucks.

[latent bough]

It's full heals, my gloves aren't maxed yet tho

[flint wave]

400k hive if everything has repair skills interesting

[shy willow]

If you run out of chems it's totally the teams fault

[flint wave]

or people move alot

[latent bough]

It's technically 8 full health so yeah

[flint wave]

you're supposed to maintain their fi buff

[shy willow]

Nah these people get so confident sometimes

Like just before chungas come out they're still sat at the end of the lounge

[vestal ibex]

Healing someone who is trying to face tank is a nightmare

[shy willow]

When they pull out a shield on the hive

[flint wave]

when the no armor tank walks onto the hive(there's no longer a hive)

[shy willow]

[vestal ibex]

When the hive bugs and sends 25 heals at once to someone who lost 1 bar of armor.... Why is this game like that.

[flint wave]

idk I remember replicating it in the range when I threw grenades onto my hive

[slate pendant]

Is memento still one of the best exotics? I haven't played in a while and my friends tell me memento isn't that great anymore (I use it on my striker build)

[flint wave]

Memento is extremely good solo

[urban latch]

It's the same as it was before

[slate pendant]

that's what they also said, it was good solo

[flint wave]

oh they never nerfed memento

[shy willow]

They never nerfed it it's still busted solo

[slate pendant]

solo as in what? Like solo pvp, or solo in general?

[shy willow]

When someone is on fire and runs into the hive I feel my soul draining with the charges

[slate pendant]

Cause I use it for my Striker build and it works wonders for me

[shy willow]

Solo PVE where you can stack the trophies

[flint wave]

Solo pvp works if ur farming landmarks in the darkzone

don't try it in conflict

[slate pendant]

I use it in countdown a lot so maybe that's why it's so good for me

[flint wave]

🗿

that's one of its weakest areas

[slate pendant]

really?

[shy willow]

Its weakness is group gameplay

[flint wave]

8 player gamemode with enemies that have 32 million hp memento is not exactly what you need

[shy willow]

Because you have to actively compete for kills

[slate pendant]

oh ok, I get what your saying now

So what would be a good substitute?

Ninjabike?

[shy willow]

Striker bag

[pastel shard]

23-34mil hs 30-??mil hs crit good for a pve sniper build?

[shy willow]

Ample if you're playing solo

It'll one shot anything w/o a helmet in heroic

[slate pendant]

What's a good gun to use for striker? I mainly used Lady Death for the extra stack builds, but my friends told me chameleon was good to use as well.

My lady death does more damage so I mainly use it

[tulip charm]

Well there's currently alot of gun that can work for strikers so what do you like

[flint wave]

high rate of fire ars are the best but easiest answer is st elmos

[shy willow]

Anything with a good combination of damage fire rate and handling

[slate pendant]

chameleon is fun to use since it has little recoil and a lot of ammo, but I prefer smg builds

[flint wave]

chameleon is an smg

[tulip charm]

^

[slate pendant]

no it's an assault

[shy willow]

And have an ACS secondary

[shy willow]

It's an SMG coated in AR paint

[flint wave]

you mean an smg with 21% health damage instead of 21% crit damage

[tulip charm]

chance*

[flint wave]

Oops

[shy willow]

It's got 0 benefits of AR and 0 benefits of SMG

[pastel shard]

ty

[shy willow]

What did I trip now😭

You don't get the added crit chance but you don't get the range of an AR either

So you're stuck with having to proc the buff for it to be good but that takes a couple of business days

[slate pendant]

Is there a good exotic piece that can go with this?

[flint wave]

dudes running sokolov with the wrong smg

(Coyotes mask)

[slate pendant]

Is lady death good with sokolov?

or a vector?

[flint wave]

it's an smg so it works

[slate pendant]

and if I were to use the coyotes mask, would I replace my holster for the striker piece?

[shy willow]

Drop picaro for striker holster swap mask to coyote and swap chest to obliterate

And ideally get one with full crit on it

And drop chameleon for an actual smg

[slate pendant]

What's obliterate?

[shy willow]

Ouro or a banshee or mp7 or something

[shy willow]

Talent

[slate pendant]

been trying to get ouro but I can't beat Incursion lmao, I have some good smgs, including a lady death

[shy willow]

Lady death ain't good tbh

Only for low difficulty Speedruns I've seen it

Unless it's got some kind of niche pvp use

Incursion is fairly simple as long as you have a dps build

Although for the incursion you wanna build with ceska/grupo and not sokolov

And have a striker chest to swap to

[tawdry flare]

Yes but theoretically lady death has higher dps than oreo

[shy willow]

Theoretically but you gotta run around all clueless like just to stack up on rounds

[slate pendant]

You don't have to run, you can just move side to side to build stacks

[tawdry flare]

They actually made the talent better cause now it scales with mag

So TP actually affects it

[shy willow]

Sure but it builds very slowly like that

As opposed to ouro having all that damage off the rip

[slate pendant]

Exactly why I want the ouro, but I can't get it :/

[shy willow]

Try to build around an AR for now

[flint wave]

Ar more versatile anyways

[slate pendant]

should I stick with the chameleon then?

[flint wave]

no

[flint wave]

you can get a good ar within 2 cd runs

[shy willow]

Ideally you want ceska instead of grupo but it looks like that

[flint wave]

Ranger kard🧠

[shy willow]

What on earth

Oh shit that's my gun

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

Old screenshot 😔

[slate pendant]

How about my Hunter Build, would you say this is good?

[shy willow]

Oh apparently I still have ranger on that same pistol months later

[flint wave]

Hunter chest is pretty bad

[shy willow]

Still haven't got sledge it seems for pistols

[slate pendant]

shit wait wrong one

[shy willow]

Hunters fury sucks for the incursion unfortunately

[slate pendant]

I meant to send this one

[shy willow]

Ah either way HF doesn't do enough damage for the incursion

[magic pilot]

Too much blue

[shy willow]

People expect strikers

[magic pilot]

It's fine for ad clear but it doesn't keep up for bosses since you don't keep max buff

[vestal ibex]

regulus DTTOOC can't chain kill HH in the incursion. RIP. We just need more power creep.

[shy willow]

Imagine it could

[vestal ibex]

100% how I'd do tanker.

[flint wave]

just use determined mmr

[shy willow]

It'd speed things up like mad

[vestal ibex]

No, we do glitchless runs.

[flint wave]

where's the glitch part

[vestal ibex]

It's just been defined that way by the speeds community.

[shy willow]

How much does an expertise 25 DTA regulus do on a fully optimized HHF build anyway

[flint wave]

butthurt community it seems

[vestal ibex]

Just do any% then.

Glitch all you want.

[vestal ibex]

It's almost 20 mil I think.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah against armour

[shy willow]

Damn it

[tawdry flare]

Else it is is 19.5 million

[tawdry flare]

Using D&H bag btw and chain killer chest

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I think you'd need 22-23 for enemies in the incursion.

[shy willow]

Moar powercreep

GE incursion ggs wp

[tulip charm]

bring back pts behind you

😡

[flint wave]

bring back old cavalier

[tawdry flare]

Think bigger Bring back PTS Hotshot

[tulip charm]

i didnt play that pts

[shy willow]

Cavalier was so close to being so good

[shy willow]

Hotshot was more broken?

[tawdry flare]

Why cry for million DMG

[tawdry flare]

Billion DMG afaik

[shy willow]

What the hell💀

[slate pendant]

How about f2000, is that good for me to use until I get the weapon(s) I want?

[shy willow]

Shit could one shot the iron horse

[flint wave]

bring back old aces

[tulip charm]

Oh wasnt it hotshot cap wasnt limited?

during pts

[shy willow]

Rip TOTS gone and forgotten

[flint wave]

wasn't even that op

(I never used it)

[tulip charm]

old aces?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tulip charm]

Currently the best ar i believe

[shy willow]

I've been loving buffed EB and New reliable

Gonna get me a good g36 to play with too

[tulip charm]

I want an godroll l86 and rpk

[flint wave]

If only eb talent delayed damage on my shield

[shy willow]

L86 seems promising

I had one with dttooc and fast hands it was pretty fun

[tulip charm]

yeah

too bad countdown is not blessing me 😦

[shy willow]

Hitting like 1.2m max stacks w no expertise

[shy willow]

The lord giveth and the lord taketh

[tawdry flare]

I just used sleipner on Roosevelt bosses and it melted them

1.6 million crit with 200 stacks and talent active

[shy willow]

Quadcopters?

[tulip charm]

sleipner is cool

[shy willow]

I wish I had the patience for sleipnir

[slate pendant]

Striker is good to use with 2 smgs right? In this case I thinking an f2000 (AR) and a Dark winter, is that good until I get what I need?

[tawdry flare]

The sleipner is the highest dps lmg with talent active

[shy willow]

Acs12 shotgun and an AR

F2k works

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio and an f2k ar

[shy willow]

Might be not as good for you cuz you're lacking crit from the watch

Or actually yeah Scorpio is a great option if you're not running elmo or ouro

[slate pendant]

yeah my crit damage with f2k and scorpio is 34.1% rn