td2-build-advice

[round zinc]

Roll hazpro to hsd and its like

Marginally weaker than chainkiller but you’re not gonna miss out on too much tbh

Me omw to waste 10 exo mats to see if bk’s mag capacity increase regen

[shy willow]

Wh-

[hidden copper]

So not worth it even for messing around?

[bronze hound]

If you're just messing around slap it on literally any pre existing build

[wary vortex]

lol maybe that has a crit buffed

[onyx sage]

crit would give an orange number

[dreamy valve]

Anyone tried an ACS12 with fast hands?

[wary vortex]

its sad if i ever use nemesis i gotta aim good lol

[hazy steeple]

I assume to use with Striker.
the Talent kinda doesn't matter unless you're going for a Lefty (sledgehammer) build, so go nuts.

[flint wave]

yes but the reload speed doesn't feel like it adds alot. Strained is a lot better

[hazy steeple]

lol

[flint wave]

strained is what you should use at the moment since rock and roll loses 10 rounds when you swap it👴

[rich cosmos]

I love how busy little bee will lose anywhere from 1 to 10 rounds

And its not consistent

[hazy steeple]

That's to punish you for using BLB

and r+r

[onyx sage]

fast hands doesn't stack per pellet like striker, so it's 20 chances to crit to add reload speed compared to 50 from famas, you can really feel the difference

[rich cosmos]

It works for my moth drip because I have extremely worthless information about a certain species of moth that’s conveniently a backpack trophy

[flint wave]

oh that's why

bruh game consistent when

[onyx sage]

there are iirc 3 things that stack per pellet in the game rn

pestilence in descent, striker and HB

[dreamy valve]

Gawd the Combustor named chest is so annoying when I’m a sniper

[wary vortex]

GOTTEM

[silver mantle]

whats is the best build for a beginer in pvp

[wide silo]

Guys.
I just found my first Ninjabike Backpack.
Can you recommend a decent Build with it or is it more like a Meme at this Point?
I checked Youtube and Youtube is like: dont use it at all or best build ever created with huge deeps.
So I was like i have to ask in discord. 😛

[rich lotus]

Damage wise is it worth using contractor's glove with this build or using fenris gloves CHC/CHD

I have contractors already maxed, I'm not sure if I want to farm for a fenris for that 40% total AR damage

With and W/o

[round zinc]

its really not great,its like ok for funny hybrid builds but its mostly worse than memento or any high end backpack

[round zinc]

dta is better i think

cuz fenris is like 10% AR dmg last time i checked

[rich lotus]

Yeah but with the rest of the build it would go to 40% ar damage

[tulip charm]

40% ar?

[rich lotus]

40% assault rifle damage

[round zinc]

where do you even get that number

you dont have any AR dmg attributes there

[rich lotus]

This is with shd levels maxed too btw

[tulip charm]

Wait are you counting specialization as well?

[rich lotus]

Yes

Surviv

[rich lotus]

Is it that much impactful on having DTOC/DTA when you have 2 pieces of one already?

Example DTA on both gun and Contractors

Ofc with foxes to have DTOC multiply

[tulip charm]

Well you’d want dttoc on your gun

[rich lotus]

Over dta?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

Whys that

Thought both were pretty much 50/50

[tulip charm]

Higher value and its active the majority of the time instead of working only on enemies white bar

[bright raptor]

Different kind of damage bonus - DTOOC amplifies so it's a bigger bonus overall

[rich lotus]

Doesnt DTA also multiple like DTOC?

Meaning having a combo of both would be best? for X

[tulip charm]

Well its a separate multiplier yeah

[rich lotus]

I just swapped DTA out of the gun for DTOC and I'm shocked lol

Over 9.5m

[wide silo]

to bad.
And i thought you can get a really decent Build together with much much HoK and AoK. 🙂

[bright raptor]

The Ninjabike bag suffers because gearsets work differently in Division 2 compared to Div 1 - in Division 2 high end backpack talents are very powerful and far stronger than a 2/3 piece brand or gearset bonus

[rich lotus]

Although let's be honest, DTA made sense for me because you're always bullet sponging enemies until they're out of armor and they just melt instantly making health useless

[tulip charm]

Just run hunters with the new brandset lol

[wide silo]

Palisade?

[tulip charm]

I could be wrong but tanks dogs and skill aren’t affected by dta

[rich lotus]

div1 >, always at least for me just sad nobody plays it anymore and the ones that does are cheaters 7/10 lol

[rich lotus]

😲

I forgot about that factor

Well thanks for that lol

[tulip charm]

Yeah ig it gives aok and health bonus and hf gives aok and hok

[bright raptor]

yes, armor plating on the dogs and the various faction heavies actually is affected by damage to health instead

[tulip charm]

Cool

[rich lotus]

Interesting

I thought it was a different type of HP bar off of armor and health for dogs

[bright raptor]

the only exception are the Dark Hours twin bosses, but then they're raid bosses

[rich lotus]

Gonna have to recheck all of my guns to see if it's roled for DTOC now lol

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich lotus]

When life gives you lemons

Bad news

Everything is rolled to DTA 🥹

[round zinc]

“When life gives you lemon, roll it to DTA.”- Hezu

[rich lotus]

I was a fox's pleb so I always rolled DTA on everything to maximize it lol

Time to have a double of every gun I use atm

[tulip charm]

Well at some point everyone was a foxs pleb until you understand how stats work a bit

[flint wave]

Now it's everyone's a ninjabike pleb until you remember how to do math from middle school

[rich lotus]

I don't like ninja on div2 tbh

I always find the 3.0% armor regen you get from a max memento way more worth it

[drifting panther]

It's more of a option not a requirement. I just never see myself using shield on umbra unless I get swarmed

[round zinc]

On the topic of umbra

Its one of those things where its great on paper

[drifting panther]

But still good on paper

[round zinc]

but not great in practice

[drifting panther]

Because hey, you're trading stuff around and going out of cover is something I'm used to in practice

The boost is helpful

I shoot for extra damage

[round zinc]

like imo umbra is clunky

[drifting panther]

Go back in cover for armor on stacks

[round zinc]

its great as a starter gear set

[drifting panther]

I guess the proccing is

[round zinc]

for people who are not used to the high risk high reward red builds like HE glass cannon or striker

[drifting panther]

Striker seems normal to me

Glass cannon just seems like true pain

[round zinc]

true but striker limits what weapons you should or can use

and your damage tanks immensely if you cant stack consistently which can be an issue for newer players

[wary vortex]

man sniper is far better than striker/st elmos build

at third hs kills i can one shot goldy on legendary

[round zinc]

depends

like idk man whatchu gonna do when the boss…doesnt die in 1 shot

[wary vortex]

thats why im doing it with 4 ppl lmao

im more an add clear guy when it comes to boss fight

if i can take care 80% adds (gold/purple) it sure makes other easier

warhound is more painful

i need to sacrifice my hh stacks to stop one warhound

[rich lotus]

For legendary sniper builds are just on another level lol, being able to 1-2 shot most things at that level with nothing but a small peek every kill is amazing, Only issue really is when there's barely any squishies and a lot of dogs/turrets that you'll end up needing a second dps with strikers or something

[wary vortex]

i already gave up my life when i saw fxxking 5 warhounds coming out from the hole lmao

[rich lotus]

😂

[wary vortex]

the rooftop is the most annoying part

[rich lotus]

I just swap to my ACS with the talent that gives 40% damage increase on naded enemies and aboose it

[wary vortex]

u get 4-5 warhounds rushing at u

[rich lotus]

Is there even a way to quickswap to a gun or pieces to be somewhat effective when its just you vs dogs?

[wary vortex]

if you had built max stacks on hh , can you switch to nemesis keeping the hh damage buff?

[shy willow]

Aim for the legs

Or spam Rav/xbow

[wary vortex]

if i can do that, i can one shot legendary boss with a bit of luck

[rich lotus]

Interesting

[rich lotus]

Well yeah that counts for the first dog only after that even shooting on the leg will take 30 years

[shy willow]

Have a secondary

[wary vortex]

with model 700, with max stacks , my damage now on legendary is 32m
if i can keep the hh buff up when i switch to nemesis, then i can do 60m

mayyyybe 60m? i trust nemesis full charge dmg lol

[rich lotus]

I've gotten so used to the nemesis at this point i'd be a worse trade off for me

[rich lotus]

Isn't white death just a better option overall?

[shy willow]

White death is in the dust

[rich lotus]

Wait what happened

[shy willow]

All the buffed stuff is straight up better

White death is still good but m700/model 700 smashes it

[rich lotus]

Is this due to the recent patch?

Or have I lost track and it's been like that for a while

[onyx sage]

yes

[rich lotus]

What's the main diffs

Just overall better stats?

[wary vortex]

the base damage of model 700 is 16-20% stronger than white death

[onyx sage]

higher base damage

[rich lotus]

Oof

[onyx sage]

and with headhunter, base damage is king

[wary vortex]

16-20% base damage vs 25% hsd

[rich lotus]

Well thanks for letting me know

[rich lotus]

Yeah can't even compare that honestly lol

[wary vortex]

btw, 32m at max hh stacks is not my limit, my build isnt even finished

[onyx sage]

hsd isn't that impactful once you have too much of it

[wary vortex]

i didnt even have vigilance backpack on me, the backpack is not done

[onyx sage]

gl, you'll get it

[wary vortex]

chest piece is near finish tho

if i roll off hazard i can get hsd+handling

chainkiller is locked to perfect headhunter

[wide silo]

Airaldi Backpack with Vigilance? or anythign else?
i am working on my sniper build atm. 🙂

[wary vortex]

airaldi is easier to do

i forgot about habsburg

[wide silo]

so its 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi?

[rich lotus]

Yep

[onyx sage]

if you get habsburg you have to get 2p

[wide silo]

All Headshot Perks or some Handling as well?

[rich lotus]

And if you're lucky and land on a the gift

[rich lotus]

HS then handling

[onyx sage]

the gift isn't best in slot by any means

[wide silo]

Memento instead of Airaldi is ok-ish?

[rich lotus]

Whats the purpose of it

[onyx sage]

try to get airaldi but memento is fine for now, you will really be lacking damage before you get memento stacks

[wide silo]

no clue.
I just saw that on some youtube.

[rich lotus]

I mean it could work but its like he mentioned it will take time and if you fast travel to diff spots you'll lose it all

[onyx sage]

it is used in some solo legendary sniper runs but otherwise not really used

[wide silo]

It should be an all red build also, right?
not like 2 blues or something like that?

[rich lotus]

Only exception I can see it being useful actually

[rich lotus]

Full red

[onyx sage]

yes, you want all red

[wide silo]

Thank you dear sirs!

Youtube is like: i have the big balls best build ever created in existence and then its like 2 blues memento or something like that

no chainkiller

[rich lotus]

Well that's youtube for you, the most explosive title and image to get views

[wide silo]

yeah. i feel betrayed most of the time.
That is why i joined discord. 🙂

[onyx sage]

there are some great yt channels, but most of them aren't that popular because the big guys aren't going anywhere

[shy willow]

The popular ones tend to be the clickbaiters

[wide silo]

So at what point should i stop to stack Headshot Dmg?
Like 280%?

[onyx sage]

you get them everywhere you can

mostly they'll be coming from your secondary attributes

[wide silo]

Yeah, i stack red cores. Try to get Headshot Attribute and then my Mods are also Headshot.

[onyx sage]

on a 3 hotshot build you're looking at 300%+ when you minmax

so just fully optimize those attributes, besides headshot damage there isn't really a better stat unless you're going for a 100% stability build

which is where you go weapon handling

[wide silo]

So for lets say Chainkiller. I can have 2 red attributes.
I should aim for Handling and Headhot with Headshot Mod?

[onyx sage]

yes

and your hotshot pieces all have hsd

[wide silo]

Alright. Thanks!

[rich lotus]

Full red, primarily HSD and then when you cant then Handling is how I have it

[wide silo]

so thats like ok-ish to begin with?

[rich lotus]

That's how you want it pretty much, ofc optimized and etc

[wide silo]

yeah... i am lacking Materials. Playing for like 3 weeks now.
But i am working on it. 🙂

[rich lotus]

Roll wp to max if possible and it's a rocker

[rich lotus]

Library is very handy if you start getting all the god rolled stats early on

[wide silo]

My Library is decently filled.
I mean i am lacking the Materials to reroll.
Farming Controll Points for a day now to get me going. 😉

[rich lotus]

Best investment atm imo, once you have that sweet build set up you can go into heroic + all directives and shred

I don't even need to use a bigger scope, just run and gun

[wide silo]

Its super weird.
I started with Hunter Fury Build.
Then changed to an Eclipse Build and was like: i am no good Sniper, my aim is potato no need to Build that Hotshot.
But once i had mine ready (of course mid stat rolls overall) i felt like i dont want to play any other Build.

[rich lotus]

It's one thing when you have to aim and another thing when you can shoot someone's foot and it counts as a headshot lol

HF is fun too but idk I'm more of a 1 bullet for everything kind of person lol

[wide silo]

Like Headshot Mods are at 6% and no Piece with max Rolls.
But i felt like i am super powerful! xD
Getting some super nice angles and shooting Foots or Hands all over the Place.

[tidal wraith]

whats the verdict on MMRs now? is the m700 carbon better than the model 700 for a hotshot determind build?

[onyx sage]

you can do HF and one shot at the same time 😉

[rich lotus]

Depends tbh, very situational if there's a lot of goldies then you won't be able to start off with a 1 shot HS on them for example to start the proc

[wide silo]

I changed from White Death to a classic Model 700.

[tidal wraith]

yeah i did that after the patch, but a few people are saying the carbon is better

[wide silo]

oh really?
Oof. Time to get back into Countdown!

[onyx sage]

carbon is better in terms of reloading (it is mag reload vs round reload)

but base damage is lower

[tidal wraith]

shouldnt matter if you dont miss right? :p

[onyx sage]

it does matter because unless you run 4p hotshot you'll have to reload

and unlike white death, once you get to 0 rounds you still have to reload by round

[tidal wraith]

im running 4 piece

[wide silo]

But dont you run 4 Piece Hotshot at all times?

[onyx sage]

not really, 3p hotshot is more practical

4p hotshot buffs are nice but if you miss once your damage is lower than 3p

[wide silo]

Really?

[tidal wraith]

current build

[rich lotus]

Foxes in there

[tidal wraith]

everything gets 1 shot anyway so i went with memento

[wide silo]

Fox Kneepads are much better then 4 Piece Hotshot?

[onyx sage]

no, it's not "much better"

[wide silo]

Its more "practical"?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[wide silo]

So its a QoL thing kinda?

[onyx sage]

advice for most gearsets is you run 4p always, but hotshot is the exception where most of the stats are actually on the 3p and below

[rich lotus]

It's a less stacks/more stacks kind of thing

[wide silo]

I dont understand. 😦

[onyx sage]

the 4p 20% buff isn't actually that strong, it's around a 6% increase when you have full headhunter bonus

[rich lotus]

4p hotshot bonus isn't that amazingly that you're much better off using fox's

[wide silo]

For the Dmg ooc?

[onyx sage]

ye

[rich lotus]

Yep

[wide silo]

Now i get it.

Thank you!

[rich lotus]

Including that with the factor that 4pc hot also needs stacks

[onyx sage]

your 1st and 3rd shots won't get a damage buff

[wide silo]

What are some "good" Skills to use?
I like the Pulse to get some nice Shots off and Reviver.
Should i change that in the future?
or is that more like preference?

[rich lotus]

I go pulse and drone heals, but since you're using memento ig reviver is the better choice

[onyx sage]

up to you really, i personally run decoy and the second skill varies based on need

[wide silo]

So it is only the 2nd SHot that gets the Dmg Buff? For like the 20% headshot dmg, right?

[onyx sage]

your 2nd, and then 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. because all shots after 3rd get all 3 buffs

[rich lotus]

And after the 3rd if you keep hitting without missing

[wide silo]

i am using Airaldi Vigilance.

[onyx sage]

but back to skills, if you play in legendary most of the time like me an EMP sticky is handy to shut down dogs

[rich lotus]

Oh then yeah I mean I like the drone sometimes when I'm not running it with gunner

[onyx sage]

otherwise, it's either riot foam to stun dudes or turret to just take aggro

[wide silo]

I see. Thanks for the input!
Next one: Sharpshooter is the way to go, right?

[onyx sage]

for damage and tac-50, yes

[rich lotus]

I use sharp if legendary missions but if its just global things I run gunner

[wide silo]

Why Gunner tho?

[onyx sage]

armor on kill

[rich lotus]

yep

Then no need for drone

[onyx sage]

also sharp has the digital scope if you need that

but really i only snipe with no scope

[wide silo]

I do use that!

[wide silo]

Thats practice i guess. 🙂

[onyx sage]

you'll get used to it once you practice but you shoot faster without a scope

[wide silo]

Nemesis is a good choice to get the "chain" going?

[onyx sage]

yes

[wide silo]

So what scope do you use?

[onyx sage]

i use the small scopes that don't make you zoom in

[hexed steppe]

You'll reach just about all the damage thresholds with 4pc hotshot.
The bonus armor and free reload kinda pays for itself, especially if someone is using 5d with pistolero

[wide silo]

because bodyshoots dont need that much aim?

[acoustic coral]

He uses binoculars IRL, no need for in-game scope

[hexed steppe]

321 more of a min max that's not really needed

[onyx sage]

if you use determined yeah, if you just really want to land a bodyshot then don't use a zoom scope, but i don't use determined

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah I forgot thats also the other reason lol, I run all directives so not having to worry about pistolero is also nice

[onyx sage]

and you absolutely don't have to go for 321, raucey runs 3p hotshot with chainkiller, airaldi, fox

[wide silo]

you dont?
How does that work out?

[onyx sage]

still well, because i can aim for heads, just a bit slower than determined users

i try not to use determined because i still need to learn to aim for heads, i use regulus and sniper interchangeably

[wide silo]

since my aim is potato i love determined,

[rich lotus]

I wish I could do that for global stuff but not having to worry about aiming much while clearing things fast enough

[rich lotus]

I already torment myself using nemesis on that one

[onyx sage]

if you can aim then regulus clears faster

[rich lotus]

I wish it charged right off the bat by aiming down instead of having told left click, my overwatch widowmaker days makes me tear up

[onyx sage]

if you already have hh stacks you don't have to hold all the way tbh

[rich lotus]

That's true

20-30% is the way most of the times but still it's a throw off for me because I'm too used to widowmaker at this point

[onyx sage]

as a sidenote, there's a section in roosevelt where it's a long runway with an elite sniper at the end

i've been consistently headshotting her with nemesis now

while she's running

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah I'm not saying it's hard at all, after you been using nemesis or long scopes for a while its easy

What I did notice is with small scopes sometimes you have to slightly aim to the right of where the crosshair is at

Idk if it's just me

[onyx sage]

there's no parallax if the enemy's within normal range unless resolve changed that

[wide silo]

How do you deal with Situations where you are being rushed by like a few enemies?
Just fall back?

[onyx sage]

you use a faster secondary like shotgun or pistol

or use riot foam, or fall back, depends

[rich lotus]

Quick question because I'm unsure, Is it more worth having 18% DTOC or 10% DOTC + 6% DTA?

[onyx sage]

i would go with second

[rich lotus]

Multiply + multiply right

[onyx sage]

it's not just that, it's also because dttooc doesn't multiply with hh

[rich lotus]

Usually from greater distance

[rich lotus]

Nono I'm just talking in general, outside of sniper builds

[onyx sage]

hmm, outside of sniper you don't run dta on gun

so you'd get dta as part of shotgun or from contractor if you do need it

[rich lotus]

I see

[onyx sage]

but even then, in most situations you don't really run fox, for example in most striker builds not using smg

[wary vortex]

sniping with no scope is easier tbh

[rich lotus]

And faster

[wary vortex]

even you need aim scope, its just ACOG level

ACOG is maximum, red dot sight is fine

which is just 1.2zoom in this game lmao

[rich lotus]

If you shoot at same speed both with long/short scopes I wouldn't mind but the difference is massive

Clear difference when you're clearing a spawn area

[wide silo]

But dont you miss out on like 30% Headshot Dmg?
Is that "worth" it?

[rich lotus]

Again HH will do most damage

-30% won't be that big of a diff

[wide silo]

I should go and try that on my next Control Point. 🙂

[rich lotus]

Ofc if your build is optimized

[rich lotus]

Def do

[wary vortex]

lemme tell you, i only have half build of hh, i didnt even get my vigilance backpack and all other gear optimized

i did 32m on third hs kills on hh build

32m is enough to one shot goldy in legendary mode (4man)

[rich lotus]

It will only be a difference of your first target priority which is when HH procs and you can just 1 shot anything

[wary vortex]

legendary goldy is the toughest adds (not bosses) you ever encounter

[rich lotus]

Pretty much

[wary vortex]

you still cant one shot bosses tho, but thats why you have 4man lol

i wont believe the other 3 cant take care a single target

[rich lotus]

Well depends on which boss Ig

[wary vortex]

maybe with a few more warhounds lol

[rich lotus]

Can you break armor piece of heavies on leg with that?

Havent tested legendary much outside of nemesis

[onyx sage]

you'll need around 20m in solo

[wary vortex]

32m is enough to crack open (model 700 3 hskills) the helmet of a marauder

i just ran a legendary capitol

[rich lotus]

How much damage do you do without HH

Initial damage

[wary vortex]

around 4.6m

[onyx sage]

you don't get hsd hitting helmet, so you'll do considerably less

[wary vortex]

wait i need to see

[rich lotus]

How much health does red/purple leg enemies have

[wary vortex]

humanoid goldy is 20m

[onyx sage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OP0r0A81wroX9v9iZ1u-jYNndTjugaB8e1MxS3FWCsk/edit?usp=drivesdk

[wary vortex]

i know that because 18m is enough for me to drop legendary goldy hp to 10% from 100% armor

[rich lotus]

So 4.9m for reds

4man group

Oh I forgot to check level

[onyx sage]

the normal legendary solo (if you care about that) is 3105753 instead of 3106753 in there btw

[rich lotus]

I'm wondering if running 4pc tip of the spears for the initial specialization shot to proc HH then using model is more worth it than using HS nemesis

[rich lotus]

Although once you get your first hs kill that wont matter but too much time lost for me I like speed lol

[wary vortex]

5191252 => 14016380 => 21951064

solo model 700

with half ass build

with 4 man you might be able to get some buff

[wide silo]

what scope is that?

[wary vortex]

so your damage maybe higher than this

again, this is just half a$$ed

[wide silo]

was about to say, mine looks similar xD

[wary vortex]

model 700 has the highest base damage stat among all goldy snipers

if im right, also its variant

[onyx sage]

nah just it, replica and ekim

[wary vortex]

i treat all named weapons as variant of normal version lol

btw, remember you still have proficiency levels

that is 10%? or 15%?

with full excellent build i think 40m is possible

[rich lotus]

Most likely yeah

[wary vortex]

a dude in youtube even got to 50m

[rich lotus]

max expertise rn is what 24 25?

+25% weapon damage

[wary vortex]

havent noticed yet lol

[rich lotus]

I'm only now hitting expertise lvl 9

[wide silo]

need to do the expertise first. I am at rank 2 for the model 700. xD

[rich lotus]

Such a grind lol

[wary vortex]

lol

40m, i guess ubisoft can push out 6th grade difficulty

[rich lotus]

Hope I can play div3 from launch

I missed launch div2 and so on for so long sadly

[wary vortex]

im now only playing 3 games

• D2
• granblue fantasy
• palworld

[rich lotus]

Overwatch, D2 and sometimes PZ

Its a routine

[wary vortex]

destiny 2 is,,,,,,

[rich lotus]

Wasn't it good then it got killed by devs?

[wary vortex]

idk man destiny 2 is like half of my teenage life

[rich lotus]

I never played but always wanted to

[wary vortex]

it is a legend, but now history

its been history since 2018

[rich lotus]

Destiny 3 when

[wary vortex]

no

[rich lotus]

😂

The instant no made me almost choke on my coffee

[wary vortex]

destiny 2 got merged under sony, and then bungie fired half of its staffs, the main dev team is fxxking crippled man

just right after they announced the last dlc of D2

this only tells me bungie gonna ragequit after D2

i cant believe warframe is the last man standing lol

and destiny 2 just sunsetting

like an old man waiting for his final moment

[rich lotus]

so they fired the devs because of sony?

I love this d2 convo in a td2 build advice loool

[onyx sage]

i'm just waiting for people to ask about headhunter

[rich lotus]

So how does HH work again

[onyx sage]

well what do you know, someone wrote a guide for it

[rich lotus]

And give me all the possible calculations for every build and gearset in the game

And a pancake

[onyx sage]

it also depends on the enemy as well, you want that too?

[rich lotus]

On a real note, I'm shocked they didn't nerf hh

[onyx sage]

i kid but yeah a lot goes into hh. though tbh i think it's in a good place

[rich lotus]

I was sure they were gonna nerf it this season because fun = no, usually

[rich lotus]

It makes sniper builds actually sniper builds

Being able to 1 shot things is just nice to have

[onyx sage]

it's rather determined that's busted imo

[rich lotus]

Unlike ahem div 1

[rich lotus]

Hmm good point actually

Determined will only count for the next target hit with a headshot manually next season problem fixed

[onyx sage]

and then people will actually learn how to headshot which i'm all for

[rich lotus]

Tbh I don't think people that already use it are that far off from headshotting, Like myself I use it just because I'm lazy to aim in td2 specially with how tedious the game gets sometimes

Most people that can't aim will just go with the boo hoo skill build

I see it as a QOL more than anything else

[onyx sage]

that's true, but i would think people who do this are in the minority

most who picked up sniper with determined are new people

and they haven't learned enemy animations that much to consistently headshot

[rich lotus]

I wonder if sniper HH determined is that dominant on consoles too

[rich lotus]

I mean it's not that hard to learn it, it's always wait for them to go to cover and peek or find a lil peek from the cover or if you're already good enough shots while running

Although their animations can be awkward sometimes leaning left and right randomly

[onyx sage]

it's hard enough that most won't put in the effort, trust me

[rich lotus]

That's sad

Div1 was such a change of breath for me on console because of no aim assist

Actually took skill to aim with it's massive recoil lol

[onyx sage]

yeah

[rich lotus]

God aiming on console div1 was peak atrocity but at the same time makes me miss it

You barely notice it on div2

[tawdry flare]

Bruh div1 guns recoiled like crazy

[rich lotus]

DZ was full of veteran aim peps lol

Only the real aimers persisted

[rich lotus]

Lightweight M4 was the safety heaven of everyone until it got nerfed too lol

[tawdry flare]

It is still top in div1

[rich lotus]

Yeah it got nerfed but its still the better option regardless

[tawdry flare]

Well.in div1 lmga were actually usable

[rich lotus]

I believe if div1 still had updates more late content and etc it would roll over div2

All my friends from div1 era refused to even get on div2 lol

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I bet

[rich lotus]

Div1 and Siege were the shit back then with 0 aim assist

[rich cosmos]

No its more of an issue with it can get annoying

[flint wave]

yes that's clunky

[flint wave]

gotta sit in cover then leave cover to get the bonuses run around to charge up another bonus then go back into cover

[hazy steeple]

With Strikers you have to "stack" up the buffs and then you can deal damage with your other weapon (or use the Ouro and do both in one, but ehhh), in your case, the mp5 is not really a good "stack" weapon, you're more looking for something like an acs-12/six-12/similar kinda shotguns, since the pellets they fire count as individual stacks.

alsofenrisisntasgoodasyouthinkbutthatskindaawhateverissueoverall

[rich cosmos]

The only benefit is that it can be done anywhere and its simple to use, its just annoying

[harsh shore]

Any other tips for Fenris? Looking for something else, I know its not that good 😄

[flint wave]

Ceska

most versatile brand for anything dps related

[hazy steeple]

The actual issue with Fenris is that it kinda lies to you, in that it doesn't give you +10% AR damage.
and yeah thompy is right, Ceska all the way. You are going to use that piece in so many builds.

[harsh shore]

Alrighty, of to the summit it is

[flint wave]

Fenris gives you 10% ar damage in a damage % pool that's already at atleast 90%

In ur case it's near 130% assuming weapon damage on the watch is maxed

[devout iris]

Which gear set is better to use for fore damage? Exurio or eclipse?

[flint wave]

that's ur specialization, watch level I think, and built in assault rifle damage attribute on the gun

[hazy steeple]

The best way to imagine this is basically "it's based off your weapon damage before you count your red cores"
this goes for all "specific weapon damage types", e.g. Sokolov for SMG, Airaldi for MMR, etc, etc.

so it's actually more useful to use Fenris the less reds you have, since it gets you closer to 10%, but never actually reaches it.

[harsh shore]

thanks for the advice 😄 grinding the summit atm 😄

[hazy steeple]

on a full red build, Fenris is about a 2-3% boost.
RIP the person's sanity who figured that one out.

[flint wave]

diminished return moment

[rich cosmos]

Is chameleon worth using with the third attribute changed?

[versed summit]

about 10% more worth it

[flint wave]

No it had crit chance last time

More like 1-2% I'd guess

[rich cosmos]

Well it already had crit chance mods

[flint wave]

only 10%

crit chance made it 19.5% total crit chance for cham

[rich cosmos]

No its 15%

[flint wave]

Wrong gun nvm

still crit chance is an underestimated 3rd attribute

[rich cosmos]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how useful is chameleon

[onyx sage]

chameleon

[flint wave]

6

5.5

[tulip charm]

Define useful

[versed summit]

true, but still not really worth it over dtooc

[flint wave]

It's worth it on guns that have 10% crit chance

Especially if it's ur secondary

[versed summit]

I really don't think so, because you should be able to put it on your gear

[flint wave]

Crit chance opens up the possibility for more crit damage attributes or foxes/contractors if ur daring

which on guns that aren't st elmos it's arguably comparable

[tulip charm]

in what builds?

[versed summit]

better to just run dtoc on your gun than run fox's

[hazy steeple]

The issue with Cham isn't the lack of dtooc, it's the Talent itself.
It's got issues.

[shy willow]

I've only seen crit chance unironically used on LMGs

[flint wave]

Your acs 12 in ur strikers build with elmos

It equalizes the crit chance

[tulip charm]

Oh I dont use elmo that often I can see why you would want to do that

but alot of the time once you build your stacks with striker you wont be using acs12

[flint wave]

another thing you guys underestimate is acs12

if it's lefty/talentless acs then fair game tbh

but strained acs and rock and roll back when it kept its 30 round mag have more dps then ouro if ur hitting all ur pellets(which is like 3m range lmao)

[shy willow]

Spreadsheet police gonna get that statement shut down like the other day lol

[tulip charm]

Oh no I never underestimate the dps potential of an acs12

[flint wave]

Spreadsheet police when they use a 2 number calculation to disprove a point:

[tulip charm]

But i dont have the survivablity to mainly use th acs12

[flint wave]

(2 number calcs tell you nothing)

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy willow]

[bronze hound]

Well I mean you can say anything doesn't mean you can prove it

[flint wave]

2 number calculations aren't proof

Mfs literally doing number x number

[bronze hound]

More proof than a one sentence statement without any actual representation

[flint wave]

I have representation

[shy willow]

iirc there was an actual graph but they shot it down

[bronze hound]

Prove it to us that acs beats ouro

[shy willow]

Idk where it came from but yeah

[flint wave]

There was I sent it here

If you insist lol

I welcome all ur 1 line and 2 number calculations

[hexed steppe]

this is what mentioning, correct?

[magic pilot]

Died texting

[flint wave]

Damn champion why delete

[bronze hound]

First off I can't read that it's so low res second off what's the testing parameters, builds, and what does the x and y axis represent

[tulip charm]

oc booster?

[hazy steeple]

Is that just a graph for people who like red and blue textas?

[bronze hound]

Very odd and questionable parameter to use

[urban latch]

Not this again.... 🤦‍♂️

[bronze hound]

Chicken nuggets compared to French fries in terms of div 2 guns

[flint wave]

better proof then 1000x131 and 850x119

[bronze hound]

You literally provided a graph with absolutely no backing to it

[hazy steeple]

Are those the pixels you used for the graph's image?

[bronze hound]

You literally just showed a photo of 2 labelled lines and that's it

[flint wave]

I can send you the video I'm not dojg it here

[bronze hound]

Dm it to me

[magic pilot]

It's from a FoW video

[urban latch]

It's almost like the source of that graph is not a reliable source if information

[bronze hound]

Who is fow

[magic pilot]

Fog of war

[shy willow]

Who's fog of war

[flint wave]

not the directive

[hazy steeple]

I can already tell I don't like them.

[magic pilot]

He has some different views on the math most people use

[hazy steeple]

At least they avoided adding two x's either side of their name and the word "kill" in it.

[magic pilot]

@lethal bay

[shy willow]

Xx_Sniperdemonslayer420_xX

[bronze hound]

Yup just took a look at it, bad graph

[flint wave]

understandable if u don't even know who the dude is

[bronze hound]

If you can't label your graph correctly then you don't deserve the rights to use the graphs to prove anything lol

[flint wave]

like deconstructor said he has a different view of math

[magic pilot]

That i agree with, that's why I don't make graphs🤣

[hazy steeple]

Different here meaning bad?

[flint wave]

he explains it in one video but I forgot the video

[tulip charm]

Man I wanted to do oxi run but descent is boring and the talent rotation ruined it

[magic pilot]

This talent rotation it was super easy that was my second one

[tawdry flare]

you forget to name the graph too

[flint wave]

different = bad in this chat is not limited to graphs and spreadsheets

[bronze hound]

It's not even worth calling a graph

[shy willow]

Wouldn't investing in oxi that early get you run over by nemesis

[bronze hound]

It's just lines on a grid

[magic pilot]

I would say yes, but it's a mixed opinion

[magic pilot]

I smoked nemesis lol

[tulip charm]

I run glass if I aim for a skill build

[magic pilot]

I had kinetic, no glass with gluttony

[shy willow]

Wh-

[tawdry flare]

I used fire ammo

[flint wave]

Just use acs strained or rock and roll and the damage checks out

[tulip charm]

Nemesis is easy

[tawdry flare]

With LWM4

[flint wave]

do it on a heroic countdown enemy

[magic pilot]

You can oxi the nemesis spawn solo

[flint wave]

rock and roll will one mag and ouro can't

[tawdry flare]

With kinetic momentum and emphatic resolve?

[bronze hound]

Well when you are providing proof to support a claim it's expected that the proof is reliable and backed with evidence

[flint wave]

Sometimes strained can

[magic pilot]

Didn't use empathetic

[bronze hound]

Mate just posted two lines on a grid

[tulip charm]

emphatic doesnt work on yourself right?

[flint wave]

I sent you the video did I not

[magic pilot]

I had burster for early game and oxi

[bronze hound]

You did and I saw it

[hazy steeple]

Needs some therapy first.

[magic pilot]

It does, just lower value

[bronze hound]

It's totally not reliable

[tulip charm]

Oh so it does

[tawdry flare]

GOAT Mathematician Elmo

[magic pilot]

I don't think I clipped the nemesis fight

[flint wave]

Neither is 1000x131 and 850x119

[magic pilot]

I should have

[bronze hound]

Idk what that means

Lol

Is this a math equation

[cinder gazelle]

Arguing over a game is crazy🤣🤣🤣🤣

[flint wave]

2 number calculations raucy used to testify against me

[hazy steeple]

Are those the amount of braincells left someone has after watching a FoW video?

[bronze hound]

Lmfao

[hazy steeple]

I have no idea who this person is I'm just feeling sassy today, don't mind me.

[flint wave]

are those the amount of insults you do when someone doesn't follow you're kinda flow?

[bronze hound]

Yeah mate in the video doesn't mention what the graph means

[tawdry flare]

AI is gonna be the end of AKT

[hazy steeple]

*your

[flint wave]

👴

[bronze hound]

Math isn't a pick and choose realm

Either math is or math isn't

And if you can't explain whether it is or isn't, it's automatically assumed it isn't

[flint wave]

You can do that but I've played the game

[urban latch]

Constantly wrong and misleading= bad

[bronze hound]

I can make a graph on the spot, post it to YouTube, and people would believe me

Does that mean it's true?

[flint wave]

no they wouldn't

You don't post anything I can tell

[bronze hound]

They did with FoW

[hazy steeple]

Even me who constantly champions "play what you want as long as it doesnt cripple your team", doesn't think that flow is a good way to explain math.

[flint wave]

fog of war made about 50+ videos before

that's all his channel is

[bronze hound]

So if I make 50 graphs right now I'll be reliable

[flint wave]

Lol whatever strawman makes you feel better sure

[bronze hound]

That's the same argument you're using lol

Repetition ≠ reliability

[urban latch]

Elmo, I've literally broken down the math for you on this....

[hazy steeple]

I once posted over 30 nigel thorneberry gifs in order to annoy someone enough to leave a server, am i close to an expert?

[flint wave]

I'll believe you if you post 50 graphs in the form of videos

[tulip charm]

Thats why your a mod

[hazy steeple]

Only the best

[flint wave]

yeah a 60% difference right

and a subsequent 2 number calculation straight after

[urban latch]

The 60% difference was when I asked for numbers from your build and you gave me incorrect numbers, that's not on me lol

[flint wave]

I didn't give incorrect numbers tho

[urban latch]

And then I updated the numbers once you gave me what you were actually running

🤦‍♂️

[cinder gazelle]

🤣

[bronze hound]

proof that overwatch does more damage than full striker

[flint wave]

I don't have 50 graphs so I can't believe this

do better eve

[bronze hound]

heres proof that tommy gun out dpses ouro

[urban latch]

Elmo can I ask, have you actually taken the time yourself to break down the math?

[flint wave]

2/50

[bronze hound]

now youre getting it

posting 50 graphs of irrelevant "data" doesnt mean its suddenly relevant

[flint wave]

I'm making fun of your point that's all

nothing personal

[bronze hound]

when its literally the same point youve been making the past like hour

[cinder gazelle]

😂

[bronze hound]

lol

[flint wave]

I've taken the time to play the game practically nonstop ever since the guy that gifted me wony quit the game. I'm just the messenger when It comes down to it

[bronze hound]

so you really dont have proof that what he says is accurate

[hazy steeple]

Just letit go thomp.

[urban latch]

So is that a no? I'd recommend you go try and replicate the numbers yourself that your being a messenger for so you can understand them better

[flint wave]

gameplay is my proof if ur talking about me specifically

[shy willow]

Maybe the move here is to crunch the numbers

[flint wave]

Shoot heroic countdown enemies with an acs

[bronze hound]

do you have gameplay proof that the ouro is worse than acs

[hazy steeple]

Wait, countdown?

[cinder gazelle]

Where is clip?

[flint wave]

Fog of war has the acs gameplay in the same video

[tulip charm]

why cd?

[flint wave]

And the video after that

[bronze hound]

ok? that doesnt make the graph any more accurate

[hazy steeple]

Isn't countdown kinda famous for messing with calculations due to a whole host of issues?

[flint wave]

32 million health easy accessible enemies

[bronze hound]

yes

[flint wave]

No I know there's bs buffs that you gotta make sure you consider

I ain't new to this lol

[cinder gazelle]

Test DUA legendary more consistent there

[bronze hound]

"bs buffs" mate did all his testing with an oc booster hive and inconsistent buffs lol

by mate i mean FoW*

[hazy steeple]

I totally forgot about those buffs, I just meant the scaling.

[flint wave]

Oc booster is just weapon handling which also includes reload speed

The numbers just get more inflated

[vestal ibex]

What?? Do you think people would just go online and provide unclear data and lie?

[bronze hound]

which proves my point even more?

[bronze hound]

i mean thats very literally what FoW did

[flint wave]

the difference shouldn't change if you remove the oc booster from both weapons lmao

unless I'm missing something from booster

[bronze hound]

a small difference turns into a large difference over time

[flint wave]

sounds like common sense to me

[hazy steeple]

Just to confirm, what exactly (in clear terms) are you trying to prove here?

[shy willow]

ACS being capable of outdpsing ouro

[vestal ibex]

In sustain Damage

[hazy steeple]

from the horses mouth if you please.
I wanna make sure it's clear.

[flint wave]

Naval said it right

practically it's strained acs and rock and roll

idk if lefty makes the cut

[bronze hound]

lets start with this

[vestal ibex]

This is also assuming you have OC booster and hit every shot.

[flint wave]

hold up reckon did this for me

[bronze hound]

how are we calculating sustained DPS

[hazy steeple]

Under what circumstances are you saying that the ACS w/strained or R+roll can outDPS Ouro?

[flint wave]

necroposting but it's more clear information then a 240p graph

more burst for ouro but significant sustain and damage per mag difference for strained acs

@bronze hound

[bronze hound]

why did you ping me

[flint wave]

thought you left

[lusty nimbus]

im new to the game but nea rneough lv40 wondering what builds i should aim to i quite like doing dps ngl tips?

[bronze hound]

nah i just have work to do

so i have this up on a second display

[shy willow]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in build advice; start with strikers

[magic pilot]

Terrible timing rn lol

[bronze hound]

but how are we calculating sustained dps in this situation

because mate didnt give any information

[hazy steeple]

I think it's how long you can use an ACS as your main dPS without running out of ammo.

[bronze hound]

so what variables does that include

[magic pilot]

I'd give it 1:30 if constant shooting

[dreamy valve]

The only reason I don’t use an acs as a main weapon for dps is that it runs out of ammo even faster than Ouroboros

[bronze hound]

what variables are we considering in sustained dps

[magic pilot]

(He has no idea)

[flint wave]

true

[shy willow]

ACS crashes ammo economy

[magic pilot]

Ammo dump

[bronze hound]

raucey can you provide numbers

[urban latch]

You've got to keep in mind, FoW uses different definitions for what burst and sustain dps is than literally everyone else

[bronze hound]

not exact numbers but variables involved in it

[bronze hound]

whats his definition of sustained lmfao

[flint wave]

yea

[magic pilot]

What day is it?

[flint wave]

I only know his burst was different

[shy willow]

Monday Monday

[bronze hound]

and whats our definition of sustained

[flint wave]

what's our definition of burst

[hazy steeple]

eevee: "not worth it", judging by the reactions on here.

[flint wave]

build advice has never been so active

[magic pilot]

Not true

[hazy steeple]

If you want it active more often, I can recommend a backfire build.

[flint wave]

I need some math advice rn

[hazy steeple]

that always brings out the hatred.

[magic pilot]

Most active was when HB came out

[shy willow]

I'll bet lol

[magic pilot]

Idk how many people asked for a build

[shy willow]

Wasn't HB like absolutely broken on release

[glossy scarab]

Yeah. You could have 4 blue and out DMG a red striker build

[bronze hound]

im asking for basic info and getting nothing lol

[shy willow]

Yikes

[flint wave]

sounds like the 2018 version of "blue striker ouro out dps red striker elmo"

[bronze hound]

isnt it literally just body shot dmg + chc + chd + rpm

[magic pilot]

Yea with KB you could hit over 2m per shot

[bronze hound]

not exactly adding them but you know what i mean

[magic pilot]

Burst dps is dmg*rof/60

[bronze hound]

it also includes crit chance/dmg

[flint wave]

60 is crit chance?

[bronze hound]

rof/60 is rounds per second

[magic pilot]

^

[flint wave]

o

[bronze hound]

but burst does include crits

[urban latch]

Yes. You find your average damage and multiple that times rps

Your average damage can vary depending on how you assume things like hsd% and dta/dth%

[bronze hound]

and raucey how do we calculate sustained

[magic pilot]

^

Whoops didn't mean to ping

[urban latch]

Digging deep to eph conversations lol

[bronze hound]

wdym

[magic pilot]

Nothing 😇

[magic pilot]

I can find things.

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned DPS calc spreadsheet and check out the sustained formula.

The literal equation is
Mag size*damage bullet/(reload time+Mag size/(rpm/60))

[bronze hound]

ah okay

[flint wave]

what about the mag size

[hushed gorge]

Capacitor is hittings nuts rn

With DTOC

[flint wave]

hopefully not mine

[hushed gorge]

Enjoying using EB,Chameleon and Capacitor with DTTOC

[fresh grove]

I’m trying to roll dttoc on my capacitor and I’m bout to go

[dreamy valve]

i might try bullet king with strikers once its dtooc

[tulip charm]

Let me know how it goes

[hazy steeple]

It's a known "for fun" build. I've tried it before it, it's fun.

[wise swallow]

Frenzy, 3 umbra, 2 striker, ninja bike

Horrible dps but brrrrrrrr

[hazy steeple]

Okay I take it back after reading that, burn the BK.

[tawdry flare]

Sleipner ?

[flint wave]

bullet king with mag size has most sustain in the game

[tawdry flare]

You damage the bullet not the NPCs in sustained?

[wise swallow]

Sure

[magic pilot]

You can't roll Dtooc lol

Chc anyway

[shy willow]

Lmgs all have native dttooc right

[dreamy valve]

Oops I meant the other one

[patent elm]

can anyone think of another named/exotic weapon besides the merciless and the black friday that youd want a bunch of weapon handling to comfortably use them

i.e unique weapons that have horrible handling

[shy willow]

Model 700

Not named but handles like garbage

[urban latch]

Headhunting builds in general

[patent elm]

yea headhunting is not an option, im having some fun running a bunch of unique pieces together to have a little bit of a challenge and get proficiency done while playing and im doing the perfeclty braced vest rn and looking for weapons that i could do while i have handling anyway

[tawdry flare]

Merciless use the talent that gives handling in cover and everything else CHC/chd

That's what I did for fun

Also sharpshooter spec

[tawdry raven]

almost god rolled

[shy willow]

Why waste your components on such a gun

[patent elm]

yes thats what i was doing till merciless was proficient, now i need a new weapon

[tawdry flare]

Bullet king is kind of good now

[shy willow]

Dread edict

[shy willow]

😱

[tawdry flare]

RiP

[flint wave]

ugly scope

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch can vouch for me on this one

[shy willow]

It got left in the dust while like every other plain exotic got a makeover

[shy willow]

Does it keep up on dps or is it just muh infinite sustained

[urban latch]

Emphasis on kind of

[tawdry raven]

Cuz unlimited ammo sounds fun and it needs crit chance to actually work in a crit build

[shy willow]

Hotshot

[flint wave]

hotshot is not crit

[tawdry flare]

Kind of means better than before resolve it has moved up in terms of dps plus rerollable 3rd attribute

[shy willow]

Not crit but unlimited ammo

[tawdry raven]

I just want one exotic LMG to work cuz lmgs are underwhelming

[shy willow]

I bet you could build around crit with dread tho

[shy willow]

Throw on an RPK or L86

[tawdry raven]

Keyword exotic, exotics are more fun

[steep delta]

Hi guys, anyone can tell me please what this buff do?, the orange shield come up when you recive healing but i dont find what that do

[shy willow]

50 percent hazpro bonus on heal

[steep delta]

Thx, they need add that description in all healing skills xD, or i cant find it

[covert meadow]

Hi is there a new build sheet for s3?

[shy willow]

It's a new addition and not intended for PVE

[vapid bobcat]

Hey guys whats the strat on the 100 floor hunters on the summit? Where do u place urself there? Pain we kept dying last night lol

[flint wave]

camp in the room when you open the doors

that room outside is the worst designed room in the game imo

especially for hunters

[shy willow]

They force you into the room now

[vapid bobcat]

Which room bro? The game is closing the doors now and it wouldnt let u load the hunters

[flint wave]

fr fr ong?

[shy willow]

Yes

[vapid bobcat]

Yeah man

[shy willow]

[flint wave]

💀

[urban latch]

When did that change?

[shy willow]

This what I'm saying man we need this treatment on lovebirds

[flint wave]

project resolve you are fixing the wrong things

[shy willow]

With resolve I'll bet

[vapid bobcat]

Just noticed last night when i played and matchmake

[glossy scarab]

Wow. Not even going into the big room is the only way I've ever seen it done

[flint wave]

ok well scorpio and elmo + cc skills or die

[vapid bobcat]

Whats a good cc build?

[flint wave]

eclipse protocol status build that uses foam

With creeping death or opportunitistic

[shy willow]

Scorpio is all the cc you need

You'll be jammed most of the time anyway

[urban latch]

It's not exactly a beginner strat, but sniping them is by far the easiest solo imo

https://youtu.be/qDaEiwUaqug?si=ph9_Kt4l6buHcVJA

Or if in a group, oxy them

https://youtu.be/4VU8iOMNgy4?si=kOJ3xuzpEfSoRZJP

[flint wave]

imagine being forced to fight 5 hunters in a small room in summit matchmaking

🤮

[vapid bobcat]

Thanks!

[shy willow]

I did this morning lol

[flint wave]

how

what difficulty

[shy willow]

Heroic

[flint wave]

bruh

[shy willow]

There were 3 other players tho of course

[flint wave]

guess mm for you is just built different

[shy willow]

I killed 4/5 tho light work

Scorpio is the most free thing

[flint wave]

Hunters have low hp in summit?

[shy willow]

Idk it was scaled up probably

Rpk apparently does a lot of damage

[flint wave]

you shouldn't be to solo 4 hunters while it's 4 player scaling

[vapid bobcat]

Im gonna try heroic summit then maybe ill get lucky hehe

[shy willow]

Not at the same time

Just focused one each

[flint wave]

how many mags did it take to break their armor

if u remember

[shy willow]

Idk my rpk hits for like 1 mil per shot

[glossy scarab]

its been given a 20% dmg boost like most lmgs with this update

[shy willow]

Yeah I've been using new reliable it's great

[glossy scarab]

nice

the shite part is the suppressed mechanic

[shy willow]

Yeah it's ouch if they're in cover

[flint wave]

perhaps heroic countdown has warped my perspective on hunters hp

[shy willow]

If you get lucky their head sticks out and you can shoot the shit out of that

[shy willow]

Yeah 8 player scaling is probably a little different 😭

[flint wave]

The hunter on coney island also has different scaling I think

He's the only hunter regardless of player count

[shy willow]

Yeah the deceit hunter is powerful asf

[flint wave]

man there's no good comparison for average hunters outside of summit if they didn't fix the open world hunters scaling bug

👎

And if they did I already did 99% of them

[shy willow]

Literally just put hunters at the end of legendaries again please

[flint wave]

that should be legendary liberty island ending

[shy willow]

Yes

Idk why they didn't give liberty island the legendary treatment tbh

[flint wave]

It's not a stronghold

[shy willow]

Not a stronghold but like literally the final mission

[flint wave]

It basically is a stronghold length wise

[shy willow]

Ye

[flint wave]

thr question is would it be tidal and manning hard or dua and roosevelt hard

[shy willow]

Eh tidal and manning fuck it

[flint wave]

agree

[shy willow]

Who needs more easy content these days

[flint wave]

we have to stick to the trend of newer content = harder then older content

power creep for the enemies

[shy willow]

I wonder if there's a reason why they don't just send the white tusk in to do everything

[hazy steeple]

Actually there is a reason, during the Livestream they addressed the question of "open world Legendary". Fairly interesting stuff.
in-lore, no idea maybe all that white paint is just too expensive.

[lyric prism]

maybe by the time a tusk gets selected for such an elite group there are not many left or that survive that long.

[flint wave]

if we go by in-game stuff there's definitely no shortage of the whites

tidal basin has in between 200 and 300 of them

[magic pilot]

It is fixed

[agile narwhal]

hello guys is there any site for builds?

[glossy scarab]

this pestilence build ticks super strong. 1,453,851 is the highest tick dmg i get

[agile narwhal]

im new around dont know much and i cant seem to find a site for builds

[pearl atlas]

first link pinned in the spreadsheet theres a bunch of builds

[covert meadow]

@agile narwhal just in case you don't know how to find the pins..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1380412817

[hazy steeple]

For future reference, it looks like this 📌 (sometimes called pinned messages).

[agile narwhal]

oh yea i see thanks a lot

[acoustic coral]

Any pestilence based builds in the sheet?

[vestal ibex]

Pest build goes as such, big amps+AWD+TWD as that's what the stacks scale from. Yep otherwise it's just a crit LMG build.

[acoustic coral]

Hmm, alright. Was curious since I just got one. Can't be bothered with Countdown right now and got bored clearing bank for better hotshot parts, so started thinking of another build. Regulus tomorrow will unlock new fun

[vestal ibex]

Regulus HHF is probably the most fun you'll ever have as long as you can hit 60%+ of shots you'll be a god, if lower than that you'll still do well.

[acoustic coral]

Hmm, yeah, so many things to tweak around with. Currently running a close to perfect version of the main setup in the Regulus Headhunter Evernote. Only thing that can improve there is 1.6% HS damage from gear mods, the actual Regulus and the last 8.6% WD in SHD - and expertise.
Other than that I'm gonna be looking into farming for alternative versions, either starting with the HHF or a hotshot based one

[drifting panther]

kvd seems so annoying

[urban latch]

I didn't rate the pesti highly before the recent patch, and now with literally all LMGs outside the pesti getting a significant buff it's effectively been nerfed by being left behind.

That said, imo the best way to run pesti is by a standard HE crit build. Let the pesti talent just be a bonus, because changing things to add more WD, dta, etc, just ends up in a net loss even if the pesti tick numbers are higher.

[drifting panther]

HHF?

[vestal ibex]

Head hunter hunter fury.

[drifting panther]

but isn't that for

hmmm

[vestal ibex]

For the regulus

[drifting panther]

i meant hunters

[vestal ibex]

I don't even know what it'll hit with now that the regulus can have DTTOOC on it. It's gonna be over 20 mil tho.

[vestal ibex]

Head hunters is a chest talent, hunter fury is a gear set.

[drifting panther]

i know

i'm saying doesn't hunters use smgs

[vestal ibex]

Any set uses what gun you hold? I'm not sure what we are talking about at this point.

[drifting panther]

oh.

[vestal ibex]

This build is WILD. It can solo legendary, it claps anything in open world, it'll one shot almost any boss solo. It's nasty and super fun.

[acoustic coral]

Sooooooon my beloved

[vestal ibex]

This is the build that I was referring to btw. I think you might have been talking about HF having SMG damage but the 20% WD buff from hunters is huge along side the HOK/AOK and the stacks for HF increase your damage a ton too.

You just go around one shotting everything and blowing up what's left.

[onyx sage]

#td2-build-advice message it's the greatest power fantasy you can get for yourself tbh, feels very rewarding

[wet nimbus]

I know out of cover is the go to but someone mentioned DTA on regulus? Is that better?

[vestal ibex]

Did you gate skip and leave the bro on the ground?

[onyx sage]

he auto rezzes smh

[vestal ibex]

I'm so used to the incursion being scuff with checkpoints and auto revives lol

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't blame you, had to be told a lot of this

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and the door open auto revives aren't in every room/area

It's not consistent at all.

[onyx sage]

tbh regulus isn't something you use for long range, so either you're headshotting mobs in which case you can force them out of cover by playing up close, or you're hitting a boss that's always out of cover, so i'd say dttooc is mostly going to be used over dta tbh. that said dta does give higher damage with hh, so it depends

[onyx sage]

i just learn by watching speeds and memorize tbh

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the DTA with HH probably wouldn't matter cause you'd be killing anyway vs hitting a new breakpoint.

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't see dta being used unless it deals a tangible amount more

[wet nimbus]

Ok thanks for the help

[radiant kayak]

So where can I get the dark winter? I’m convinced you cannot get it in countdown with SMGs targeted.

[onyx sage]

dz or named cache

[gentle lichen]

With the same build you posted but memento along with 20 expertise on reggie i was able to do 19.6m with striker shield

[vestal ibex]

Yeah with vigi that's what I hit before the new patch.

[pastel pasture]

Is foxes knees still the best choice instead of 2 piece Hasburg after Patch for HH sniper build(no determined)?

[vestal ibex]

You could use anything at this point.

[pastel pasture]

well my HSD isnt maxed cause of watch level, but my WD is. Is that really the extent of the dmg, cause Im not hitting breakingpoints in some of the higher tier content, unless I use my signiture weapons(tac50) or an exotic(nem Mantis)

[vestal ibex]

Show build?

[pastel pasture]

From wat Iv been seeing, WD is king in HH so improving that first does the most dmg, then HSD to 151%* after that its gear with Vigiliance(WD, HSD WH) right?

[drifting panther]

local swamp man turned agent on a bubba fueled rampage

[vestal ibex]

What's higher tier content btw?

[drifting panther]

that reminds me

i'm stealing that build

[pastel pasture]

4man Leg

[vestal ibex]

Did you watch the clip bino linked you to? That is 2 man lengendary.

[pastel pasture]

gear is 4piece Hotshot with airldi vig bag and perfect HH on chst

[vestal ibex]

What sniper combo are you using?

[pastel pasture]

I also may need to know how to use the pulse mod as well, when I hit the target area it does less dmg than me just shooting a Head shot

[pastel pasture]

thats the thing, I wanted to see if I was able to hit the purple enemy breakpoint with just the m700carbo

im also low expertise, i think that is also a thing I need to upgrade

[hexed steppe]

If running headhunter you should be trying to hit only headshots

[pastel pasture]

even with achilles pulse?

[vestal ibex]

Always head bro

[hexed steppe]

You'll drop your buff not hitting heads if not using determined

[drifting panther]

nop

[pastel pasture]

oh, I didnt know it dropped buff when uwsing Achellis since it says in target area it counts as a Headshot?

[vestal ibex]

4 man legendary you'll never hit 14.8 mill without nem or tac 50 without stacks.

[vestal ibex]

Counts as HSD not an actual headshot

[onyx sage]

just meeting 150% is enough, not 151%

[pastel pasture]

yea im way over that threshold, because at first I thought HSD was needed. but its only needed for first shot right

[onyx sage]

yes or if you use achilles

[pastel pasture]

is achilles even proccing if u dont hit the target???

[vestal ibex]

It's all about them HH stacks. You will keep them if you miss but if you don't hit a head you are back to stacking and keep in mind that if you stack with your M700 half stack isn't going to be enough to 1 shot an elite.

[pastel pasture]

yea im really good about keeping the buff up, up untill dogs, or chungas. But iv learned to keep an enemy alive to reproc HH. My secound shot hits the breakpoint I believe, but first shot usually does around 4-6mil dmg

[drifting panther]

where do i find iron lung

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's just practice then. Also legendary is very structured so you know what comes at what wave ya know.

[vestal ibex]

TL LMG

[onyx sage]

strategy yo

[drifting panther]

TL?

[onyx sage]

targeted loot

[pastel pasture]

is achilles random, on the body part? I just say it pro on the head, and it actually did the dmg amp, but if it proc on body and u hit head, its just a useless achellies...

[drifting panther]

oh. so i have to run countdown for it

got it

[onyx sage]

yes, that's why you only use it in a team that can OC for you

[vestal ibex]

Snipa what talent on MMR are you using then?

[hazy steeple]

Determined is still kinda stupid broken.

[finite merlin]

Would memento backpack be good with mantis hotshot build?

[hazy steeple]

Not really, because you need to go and collect the trophies.

[pastel pasture]

been using behind you as talent

not getting hit, and basically using teamates as decoys, to proc all my buffs\

[vestal ibex]

Decoy is nice and you could use a turret to take even more aggro and help with behind you talent. Unless you have reviver. Mantis does take decoy off cooldown too.

[pastel pasture]

yea, iv been switching depending on what im in, content/mission wise. Im preety successfull keeping all buffs, until chungas and dogs they seem to not like HH so i only proc my regular 4-6mil dmg per shot on them

[vestal ibex]

You figure out all the doggo direct health points? Also chunga you drop on helmet and kill with next shot. Nem is really good for that cause it'll have enough damage to go back to normal. Maybe try being a nem chad cause you don't have to full charge nem shots. If you hit 50 mil a half shot will kill 4 man legendary people, it also guarantees dog kills in the legs.

[random sigil]

question, when do we think the builds in the pinned spreadsheet are gonna be updated?

[pastel pasture]

I really liked the nem, and I really liked the no scope stuff the m700 carbon/white death(no determined) I just wished I could do both. But now that I know this I can just be a nem chad until i get bored

[vestal ibex]

Not much to update honestly. The only changes would be some of the optional weapons.

[hazy steeple]

It should also be noted that the people who update them sometimes wait for updates to settle down, because nerfs and buffs just after a massive update like this are not uncommon.

but yeah as soulless said, very little has changed. Almost nothing was nerfed in Resolve.

[random sigil]

Makes sense. Primarily just weapon choice options right?

[urban latch]

Meant to get to them this weekend but was distracted by souless, blame him

[vestal ibex]

You had time sunday yo

[random sigil]

No worries, thank you for the hard work!

[vestal ibex]

Nothing important happened sunday anyway.

[hazy steeple]

IKR? Because the big event was on Monday.

darn slow yanks and their being behind in timezones.