td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Now there is better options so they shouldn't be recommended anymore

[flint wave]

Yeah time to recommend fal

[magic pilot]

G36 but yea

[tawdry flare]

G36 for link lazer

[shy willow]

Its like a wild dream where the c7/m4 were never meta

[magic pilot]

There's not much point to pushing players towards guns that aren't the best for dps anymore

[shy willow]

Crazy times

[magic pilot]

That's why previously it was famas/m4 or carbine

[flint wave]

elmo bout to be the last survivor for old meta

[tawdry flare]

And famas

[magic pilot]

My famas is at 23 and barely outdps a lvl 5 shield splinterer at base

[hazy steeple]

This is it, the worst thing I've read today, and that's including the guy that said he pays my salary and that I should make him a sandwich.

[magic pilot]

I'm glad I could help

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

AI Generated Sandwich

[magic pilot]

Sorry lol I don't care about people personal opinions towards guns and what "feels good"

The AI you'd think would understand

[shy willow]

Any carbines/m4s will still do their job even if others do it slightly better

[tawdry flare]

If you like some gun and want to use it fine but to recommend a gun with lower dps is no

[flint wave]

I hope someone doesn't Start recommending FAL and AKM that's all I want

[tawdry flare]

Fal is not practical neither is akm

[hazy steeple]

You're right, we should only ever use the absolute pinnacle of weapons and never anything else.
in fact MSV should just remove everything else but the Bighorn, since that's the best burst DPS according to that spreadsheet.

[magic pilot]

That's not what anyone said lol

[flint wave]

[magic pilot]

Im talking about recommending guns, idc what you use personally

[flint wave]

strawmanning rn

[hexed steppe]

🍿 🥱

[hazy steeple]

You very literally said that you don't care about what people's personal opinions are and how a gun feels.
Just ease up on the meta hugging for 5 minutes, jeez.

[magic pilot]

You would recommend the g36 instead of police m4 because it has similar handling and higher dps it's simple, you don't recommend bighorn because it's almost unuseable

[hexed steppe]

Which guns take tech laser now?

[magic pilot]

G36

[tawdry flare]

G36

[flint wave]

G36 c

[hexed steppe]

That's it?

[magic pilot]

The high end guns for the most part handle the same

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

Fal and acr

[tawdry flare]

C7 is the most stable high end weapon no comments but the dps has been reduced

[hexed steppe]

C7 still a laser compared to quite a few other guns

[tawdry flare]

Skip fal ACR is good

[magic pilot]

Extremely accurate at the cost of dps

[flint wave]

more like outclassed nothing happened to c7

[magic pilot]

There isn't any bad high end guns, everything is useable there are just better choices

[hazy steeple]

oh dont bother, these people think that the m4/c7 is now trash because something else got buffed.

[magic pilot]

C7 is literally the second lowest burst dps AR

[flint wave]

M4 better then c7

[magic pilot]

A 9% drop

[tawdry flare]

I personally like the M4 family of guns but they have been reduced in DMG

[hazy steeple]

No they haven't.

[magic pilot]

My m4 is 20 expertise lol

[hexed steppe]

I understand, some of those other high dps are still garbage handling. G36 is trash regardless of the damage... king breaker was highest dps for a while, correct? It was still trash too

[magic pilot]

And will barely win against a f2k

G36 has pretty good handling wdym

[tawdry flare]

G36 handling is way better than TKB

[hazy steeple]

You know how online people can't have a middle-ground, something either needs to be the best or worst thing ever?
This is that, but even sillier because the other thing wasn't made worse, just not made better.

[hexed steppe]

I've used it. Compared to a c7 it might as well be a kingbreaker

[magic pilot]

ACR has better accuracy and burst over the m4

[magic pilot]

Yea we got it thanks

[hexed steppe]

I might have to check out acr. But I'm pretty happy with elmo for dps

[magic pilot]

Everyone knows nothing got nerfed

[hazy steeple]

As long as people keep pushing this ridiculous statement, I'll keep pushing back.

[shy willow]

I've been playing around with new reliable and I actually quite like it

[magic pilot]

It's not ridiculous lol

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[magic pilot]

Things change in games and meta shifts

Don't need to keep recommending the same guns for 5 years

[tawdry flare]

It's all about DMG and the Dev's changed meta for all categories

Sig MPX is no longer top tier

[flint wave]

Sad white death noises

[magic pilot]

Snipers it doesn't really matter lol

You can one shot everything anyway

[hexed steppe]

This is kinda always an argument as metas shift.
I'll take a page out of rivens book and suggest everyone go get some water 😂

[flint wave]

it matters when they have faster reloads and bigger mags

[magic pilot]

As long as you break the thresholds

4pc hotshot lol

[flint wave]

ik but white death reload still pain when I have to do it

[shy willow]

May not be the most effective options any longer, but still effective

[magic pilot]

I mean one side is, stuff got buffed so keep using the stuff that didn't and is no longer that good or use the stuff that got buffed and is now better lol

[hexed steppe]

I've found m700 far superior than whitedeath at this point. Capacity, reload, base damage all improved. +2mil om the high end hh

[magic pilot]

Wood?

[hazy steeple]

As a community, we really need to change Headhunter's shorthand term.

[magic pilot]

Or tac/carbon

[flint wave]

no

[magic pilot]

I agree with that lol

[tawdry flare]

He meant carbon ofc

[flint wave]

acronyms only a problem when they start sharing

[magic pilot]

I use svd because it feels good

[hexed steppe]

I agree to a point. I understand mathematically top weapons are going to be suggested as well. It's just how it rolls in #td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

And it was meta 3 years ago

[magic pilot]

That's all I'm saying lol exactly, it doesn't really matter what you use but the best option should be recommended

[hexed steppe]

No I'm using tac atm but will be swapping to carbon for the long underbarrel. Just need exo to 25. 12atm on the carbon I got

[magic pilot]

Nice I got a strong carbon, how come you want long barrel?

[hexed steppe]

I can only fit a chc grip on tac. Carbon can take a bunch more with the long rail

Tac is short rail

[tawdry flare]

I use reload speed mods

[magic pilot]

Ahhh

[flint wave]

And that's the only difference between carb and tac apparently

[magic pilot]

I did a thing

[hexed steppe]

Yeah base damage is same. I just want to swap in another stability mod so I dont lose optimal range from my muzzle

[shy willow]

You lucky bastard

[magic pilot]

Optimal range??

[shy willow]

Max dta

[magic pilot]

9 rolls

[shy willow]

My rng lately ain't right man

Cannot for the life of me get skill damage foxes

[flint wave]

man I've gotten atkesst 4 of those

[hexed steppe]

Muzzle +20 stability -10 optimal.
I want to do +10 stab grip +10 stab muzzle

[magic pilot]

Ohhhh

Thought you had on the one that gives you more optimal range lol

[gentle lichen]

3

[hexed steppe]

It's more min/max thing.

[magic pilot]

Chris Kyle over here going for the mile shot

" m700 for when your neighbor down the street is getting robbed and they are behind a fridge"

[hexed steppe]

Or I can leave it +30 between the 2 and reroll a handling back to hsd

[shy willow]

Bros about to go prone

[flint wave]

need that optimal range increase so you can snipe kelso from dc

[hexed steppe]

I'm hoping

[magic pilot]

I doubt we fight her

[tawdry flare]

Sniping from WH to 🗽

[shy willow]

Bout to clip her ass from the white house

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe

[shy willow]

Out of curiosity why stability on a bolt action

[magic pilot]

Sway

[shy willow]

Ohhhh

[flint wave]

skill buildnt

[shy willow]

How hard do you hit with that thing

[drifting panther]

@shy willow i stole a ouroburos

[shy willow]

Huh

[drifting panther]

i finished a incursion

tm dropped it, i stole it and dipped

its kinda okay for a exotic

talent feels useless

[flint wave]

it is

[drifting panther]

so just use it for the gun instead

[flint wave]

lol free-form crop

[drifting panther]

you know it

[flint wave]

reroll that crit damage to dtoc if you can

[drifting panther]

when i come back from the gym sure

i tested it and its oklay

[shy willow]

As is the case with Elmo yes

[flint wave]

elmo has a useful talent

[drifting panther]

Elmo actually gives you the meat of it tho

[shy willow]

It comes in handy but it's nothing crazy

[magic pilot]

On headshot at mid coyotes over 1m

[shy willow]

Ouros is just shit tho

[drifting panther]

It's a savior gun

[magic pilot]

Head crit

[drifting panther]

Shock comes in clutch

[flint wave]

it's the second coming of scorpio

[magic pilot]

Damn I need to get a g36 still

[drifting panther]

Scorpio has more meat

[drifting panther]

I have 5 godrolled

[dreamy valve]

Everyone gave up on Vindicator already?

[magic pilot]

@shy willow

[shy willow]

It is completely and utterly shit

[magic pilot]

I'm thinking of switching to shield and artificer

[shy willow]

With 3 skill tiers that's wild

[magic pilot]

Eventually I need to swap out contractors, too much DTA

[magic pilot]

Ikr

[dreamy valve]

Capacitor is the sleeper gun this season

[magic pilot]

Artificer and shield work great with scavenged skills too

[shy willow]

Capacitor has always been a sleeper it's just more prominent now tbh

[flint wave]

test it on a full armored enemy

[magic pilot]

Highest I saw was 1,02m

Head crit to armor i think

Going to work now, had to play around with it a little bit

[tulip charm]

So its capacitor season now?

[magic pilot]

Solid option I'd say

[flint wave]

not even close

[magic pilot]

Especially if you are running tech already and not using flatline

[dreamy valve]

I’m going to try out Backfire with the dtooc

[tulip charm]

ok good

[flint wave]

1 mil on a headshot crit is average

[magic pilot]

It's really good for 3 skill tier though

[shy willow]

Why are you subjecting yourself to this

[flint wave]

just lose stacks before reloading

[dreamy valve]

Does higher artificer expertise heals the shield more?

[magic pilot]

I think so

[flint wave]

you get tech efficiency%

[dreamy valve]

What’s that entail

[flint wave]

it's artificers version of efficiency. Like booster hives stim efficiency and restorers healing

Artificer doesn't have a skill mod for it unlike all the other hives

[hexed steppe]

Brutus named is m700 carbon as well iirc. Perfect behind you

I may have the name wrong but the named mmr

[shy willow]

Brutus is the one

[magic pilot]

Think I have one

[latent bough]

Hello, i'll be looking for incursion groups soon and wanted to know if my build is good or not at all

[tawdry flare]

That is a rock solid build

What is your CHC/chd btw

[latent bough]

52% and 157.9%

Don't really know what skills to use tho

[tulip charm]

Those skills are fine

But for the first part you can run a decoy if you're going to take out the turrents

[flint wave]

decoy emp sticky for turrets always

[urban latch]

The main thing is you'll want to switch to the striker chest once your at tanker, which is just after the first area

[magic pilot]

?

[urban latch]

whoops lol, edited

[drifting panther]

i actually like it since it slaps

[magic pilot]

I was so confused lol

[drifting panther]

@flint wave i win.

i have won.

3 rolls btw

[muted hare]

Hey guys I got a question how do yall feel about the aegis gear set?

[magic pilot]

Took me 60+

[magic pilot]

Mid set at best

[muted hare]

Not worth keeping?

[drifting panther]

oof

[latent bough]

What do i Switch it with ?

[glossy scarab]

3rd re roll. i would be so frustrated if dtoc just would not come up

[pastel pasture]

is there a google doc on what affects handling for marksmen rifles?

[glossy scarab]

like.. what brand bonuses or gear sets give you handling bonuses? or like what attributes you want on the build? or what weapon attachments to use?

[pastel pasture]

yea, im trying to figure out what affects like the scope in speed? or if theres something that affects ur reticle time if u dont have a scope on?

[dreamy valve]

Oh what you use with it

[drifting panther]

umbra with a shotgun

[hexed steppe]

I'm not sure if there is anything that affects the ads. I could be wrong but I'm rocking between 60-75% handling with over 100stability and I dont see any difference in the ads speed

[pastel pasture]

is this witha scope?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah m700 tac with marksman sharpshooter spec 45%hsd scope

[magic pilot]

Accuracy

[burnt summit]

what am i missing for recalibration

[pastel pasture]

credits/currancy or prop shd calibration is the main 2 I run out of

[wise swallow]

Money

[gentle bramble]

Hunters fury crit with a smg is working for me. I just need to find a replacement or something close enough to an ouroboros

[glossy scarab]

the banshee is one of the best smgs now. it got a damage buff and 50+ rpm. i been using it and its real strong

[true thunder]

Does anyone got a status effect build like the one we used for floor farming in summit back when that was doable

[glossy scarab]

eclipse? still good

[true thunder]

And any good dps build for pistols and or ar’s I’m only shd lvl 157 though

[true thunder]

Ty I was forgetting how the build was built

Silly me

Oh

Is there still a good oxidizer build ?

[glossy scarab]

yea theres a bunch of iterations tho

[rich cosmos]

Is the sig 556 good? It seems like its really good

[true thunder]

Ah nvm I don’t even got any of the gear as I’m thinking to build that yet

[glossy scarab]

usually 3 empress, yellow foxes w skill dmg, yellow contractors w skill dmg, and a wyvern bag with whatever skill you prefer

could be an empress bag too just put the wyvern elsewhere

[true thunder]

Question though the exotic ar that can shoot shock ammo in loot pool for me to target ar’s?

[glossy scarab]

yeah target ARs

[true thunder]

I forget its name ^

Oh okay thanks sm!

[glossy scarab]

st elmos engine

[gentle bramble]

Ok that’s what I’ve been using, thank you

[west trellis]

This was interesting and surprising fun

[glossy scarab]

you seen the skin for it?

[gentle bramble]

What is it ?

[hidden copper]

This as good as it gets?

[gentle bramble]

I’ve been using a color scheme that I think it’s called Myst? It’s like watercolors lol

[fresh grove]

Basically, make sure to favorite it

[hidden copper]

Any point in holding on to the other two I have? Or just scrap for components?

[fresh grove]

Scrap the other two but keep this one

[glass yew]

How are we supposed to know what we need to farm for if it doesn't tell you anymore ?

[solar sable]

press X once

[magic pilot]

Protective fabric and the carbon fiber and credits

[solar sable]

how good is this?

[glass yew]

Nothing comes up for the talent

[glossy scarab]

its the white and gold one in the pic

[hexed steppe]

Should look into yellow sacrifice for oxi

[wise swallow]

It’s bugged

Look at recal table in BOS

That tells you

[rich cosmos]

Did the sig 556 get buffed this season?

It feels pretty powerful

[agile galleon]

I heard the F2000 did. Didn’t hear anything about the Sig 556

[twilit schooner]

All of the pieces can be better but this is the first set I was able to put together for Striker, is it going to be enough?

[glass yew]

I thought that aswell but this is also bugged

[wise swallow]

is that the stats for the shotgun or elmo?

[wise swallow]

wha

its electornics, ceramics and money

61, 69 and 5228 respectively

[tulip charm]

Enough for what? Also you still need a better chest talent assuming you can’t reroll the current one right?

[tulip charm]

Its shotgun based on the base damage and damage to armor

[versed arrow]

What is the best att for MRs?

[wise swallow]

didnt even look at that good call

dont try to max out crit on the shotgun, focus on the AR

shotugn is just for stacking

dmg doesnt really matter

[tulip charm]

Which mmr

[versed arrow]

Ekims

Mainly bolt action MRs

[tulip charm]

I want to say dttoc but i heard dta can be better if you run headhunter

[magic pilot]

Lowest dps ar

[magic pilot]

DTA has higher max dmg but Dtooc has better first shot which is normal the issue

[hexed steppe]

@left venture

[rich cosmos]

Really? Feels pretty good

[glossy scarab]

oh yeh that too

[magic pilot]

Yep

[rich cosmos]

Honestly might continue using it as I can’t notice it being bad and it has a skin that I actively want to use

Definitely won’t use it on something like strikers tho

[shy willow]

Mechanical animal could be a viable option now

[magic pilot]

Eh

[round zinc]

I mean you trade dps for utility

Which enables hybrid builds to be more viable

Decent RoF also lets it work with striker

The real loser is the normal sig

[twilit schooner]

Shotgun

[rich cosmos]

Honestly I don’t see how the sig sucks outside of rpm

Even then I use umbra so rpm isn’t that big of a problem

[round zinc]

its still like league above normal ak just because of striker

sure ak has higher dps but good luck using striker with it

[tulip charm]

I see thank you

[random sigil]

So, I've pretty much created all the standard builds, High End Red, Strikers Red, Healer, Red FI, Skill Build, Eclipse status/fire, Solo Memento hybrid builds. I haven't done any optimizing/expertising yet. which build would everyone generally work on optomizing/expertising first?

[shy willow]

You should put together a hotshot build before that tbh

Makes open world braindead easy

[random sigil]

I have, but i often had issues getting the first headshot kill sometimes. Also when there were no more red enemies and i missed several shots, or made a bad decision of shooting a chunga without any adds left to get my damage boost back so i kinda abandoned it. I died a lot. lol

[marsh hare]

Why? (Just out of curiosty) ?

[hexed steppe]

it was for floor 100 hunters, 100% hazpro cc to support dps. floor 100 boots you out of the little room now into the main floor. its also good in countdown, lots of team buffs with the cc. either case hunter disrupts cant touch it, or any other status 💯

[shy willow]

Disrupt immunity

[shy willow]

Just stack off a red/purple add on first shot and the rest of the engagement is cake

[hexed steppe]

everything immunity 😉

[shy willow]

Ohhh you run it w hazpro

Very nice

[hexed steppe]

yeah, mods are all haste

i want to say its close to 100% haste as well. some around there

just under ig

[solar sable]

duuudee, I was so closeee

[shy willow]

It's so beautiful

[random sigil]

yeaaah, ive tried and used it, but ive never been much of a sniper. I clear faster using high end AR build lol.

[shy willow]

Do you have determined on your rifle

[random sigil]

yes, using white death

My problem is the first head shot usually

i miss 90% of the time lol

[shy willow]

They're virtually stationary targets😭

[random sigil]

well, they usually run around the cover when im solo, and it takes time for me to line up the headshot and be actually sure I think I'm gonna hit it, but by the time that's done they move and i ahve to do it again. OR, I think i got a headshot, but for some reason the game says its a body shot, i guess i aimed at the neck. I'm just slow lol. I find it easier on AR's and rifles without scope for some reason.

[onyx sage]

it takes time, headhunter is one of the most rewarding build archetypes

[random sigil]

Yeaaaah, AND by the time i actually line up a good headhshot and take the shot, ive been flanked an killed. lol happens a lot.

I figure why suffer through it, if i can clear everything with my High End AR/Rifle build. or striker/HB/Hybrid turret/drone.

[shy willow]

Speed n style

[random sigil]

true, but to be fair, i don't actually enjoy sniping, soooo even if i got good at it, i don't particularily find sniping fun. I'd rather use an M1A no scope.

[onyx sage]

you can do close range headshotting

[random sigil]

with a scope? I miss more lol

[onyx sage]

no, no scoping

best sniping is with no scope imo

use the default crosshair

[random sigil]

doesnt hot shot 4pc or was it headhunter that required scope?

[shy willow]

Nope

Just headshots

[random sigil]

something required a scope i thought. i cant think what it is....

[shy willow]

Focus requires an 8x but it's situational

[final orchid]

Spotter or whatever its called?

er yea that

[random sigil]

OH yeah, thats it, different build/playstyle completely. i was confused.

Okay, I'll give hot shot another try. But, besides that, what other builds would everyone optimize/expertize first?

[shy willow]

Whatever you use the most ig

[random sigil]

hmmm, I get bored easily soooo i made lots of varies builds to keep me interested which is why i'm conflicted lol.

[onyx sage]

and then you can get around to trying this: #td2-build-advice message

[random sigil]

oooh, i dont have regulus yet lol

[shy willow]

It's very fun

[random sigil]

I think i made the pistol headshot build with basic pieces, but still missing regulus

and, i guess wait to optimize/expertise weapons till more data's collected

[hexed steppe]

determined d50 works as well

[west trellis]

Trying to use the new set

Changes or improvements?

Was debating bulwark and the new pistol when I get it

[shy willow]

What's the objective here

[west trellis]

To use shield and vanguard to take agro maybe tank alittle

[shy willow]

Run 4 piece aegis with that one piece that gives resistance from decoy aggro

I wouldn't even know if it works it just sounds workable

[west trellis]

Will do ty

[bronze hound]

Ditch ninjabike

[hazy steeple]

and also the 2pc and 1pc of a gearset

[wise swallow]

I actually liked ninjabike with 3 pc striker 1 hunter 1 soko. was doing higher DPS then my normal striker SMG set up

[true thunder]

Best dmg build for running any heroic / legendary content? 🧐

[flint wave]

Memento striker if solo, striker without Memento if anything else

[true thunder]

But striker with what ? And why striker above all else?

[true thunder]

^

[flint wave]

a set that gets exponentially stronger the more bullets you hit is the strongest when enemies are super bullet spongy on the hardest content

[true thunder]

What would you run?

Prov?

[flint wave]

ceska piece and coyotes mask if going for max damage

If no coyotes mask fenris and grupo are good substitutes

[true thunder]

And for the 4p striker should I be using the backpack / chest?

[flint wave]

backpack

chest is harder because after 100 stacks you start losing them super quickly

some content it's BIS some content it's not

[true thunder]

🙂👍

[flint wave]

so people usually run obliterate talent with their ceska chest

[true thunder]

Thank you for your time Agent Thompson

I appreciate your help

[gentle bramble]

Any verdict yet on the changes to intimidate? Seems to scale faster than Obliterate if you have memento or something like that

[onyx sage]

can you help me test numbers out for it? should be simple if you follow my instructions

do you have a chest piece with rerollable talent?

[wary vortex]

there is a sniper build that seems like able to do 50m damage in one shot, enough to one shot a goldy in heroic 4man, whats that build?

and whats that weapon?

[onyx sage]

any decent sniper build can do that with nemesis

[wary vortex]

man so grinding again lol

[gentle bramble]

Yep, it's not a ceska but should not matter

[tawdry flare]

Use 4 pcs hotshots chainkiller and a vigilance bag

[wary vortex]

niiiiiiice

[onyx sage]

okay, if you can tell me what the numbers without intimidate buff and with intimidate buff are, i can explain to you

[wary vortex]

also , i saw a skill? i think its a skill?

theres a red scanning like skill , if that skill is on boss, it can also one shot the boss in raids

[onyx sage]

also you should use an adrenaline rush backpack and test in shooting range to make it easier

[tawdry flare]

I got the blueprint for perfect one yesterday

[onyx sage]

achilles pulse, from faye lau manhunt

[wary vortex]

ok i guess i will do the pulse one first

that pulse seems epic

[onyx sage]

it requires good setup, for best results you need to play in a group and have someone overcharge team, and then you activate the skill

[tawdry flare]

You can use btsu to self overcharge

[gentle bramble]

I am finishing Potomac and then I will test

[wary vortex]

ohhhhhh is that one shot strat on raid?

[tawdry flare]

If that's what you want

[tawdry flare]

Yeah Achilles is the reason one shot stat exists

[lilac agate]

best way to obtain st elmo/nemesis?

[tawdry flare]

Elmos countdown nemesis is guaranteed but takes a month or 2 depending on luck

[wary vortex]

nemesis is pain, you need to do invaded mission that changes every week

but u see invaded mission is a random pull of 3 places, and nemesis needs u to do 4? specific places

so if u keep having invaded mission thats not for nemesis quest, you gonna have a hard time

[wary vortex]

is achilles a guarantee drop on manhunt?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[wary vortex]

i thought achille is just a blast or something

now i still need nemesis for that 😦

[gentle bramble]

What numbers you need

[onyx sage]

all other buffs being the same, number with intimidate procced and number without. you can change chest talent to make this easy

[gentle bramble]

I am assuming crit/normal hits are the numbers

[onyx sage]

yeah; just make sure you'll give me both crits or both non-crits, don't mix up

[gentle bramble]

I have 20 backpacks and none with adrenaline ffs. gimme a sec

[gentle bramble]

Ok

w/ intimidate, Named dummy at 5 ft distance:
blue: 206,132
orange: 368,564

w/o intimidate, Named dummy at 5 ft
blue: 144,826
orange: 258,948

To disable intimidate I just changed the talent on the backpack to Shock and Awe

hrmm. those numbers are weird, I am rechecking

[tawdry flare]

Blue and orange ?

[onyx sage]

on armor and crit

[tawdry flare]

K I knew about orange but I am eating in orange currently so it felt weird

[gentle bramble]

ok, double checked

[tawdry flare]

Can you also name the weapon ?

[gentle bramble]

I think I had a HF bonus for killing a dummy so I retested to make sure everything was the same

[onyx sage]

yeah make sure buffs are the exact same for both except for intimidate

[tawdry flare]

You can do it on invulnerable

[gentle bramble]

HDR screenshots will be my death

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage want me to do it lol

[gentle bramble]

ok, checked again with invulnerable elite and the values are correct

Oh and the weapon doesn't have any meaningful talent, was testing the banshee and haven't found one good yet to change stuff 😄 so no obliterate or etc

[tawdry flare]

Banshee is the most busted smg now

Outside of oreo ofc

[pastel pasture]

is the dodge city holster any good? Im using it with the d50 exotic

[tawdry flare]

It's broken good

[onyx sage]

okay so in game description is wrong, but the one on patch notes is correct

[gentle bramble]

yep, it gains 3 stacks per second and max out at 9, I really don't even see it taking any time to go up since it's fast

[onyx sage]

yes

4% "weapon damage" per second

[tawdry flare]

= 42.33

[pastel pasture]

really? better than HH?

[tawdry flare]

In combination with hh it is quite good

And if you put regulus on top

[gentle bramble]

I can't hit headshots for shit so

[pastel pasture]

I dont have regulus tho

[tawdry flare]

You will get there dw

[tawdry flare]

Even than yeah you can use finisher with dch

[pastel pasture]

I have the liberty tho?

[vestal ibex]

Do et

[tawdry flare]

Carry him sir

[pastel pasture]

whats finisher with DCH?

[vestal ibex]

We ran people thru IH today. I even got a Rav

[tawdry flare]

Finisher talent on D50 so you get extra crit on kill swap

[tawdry flare]

Wut and you didn't remember to invite me 💔

[pastel pasture]

oh so dont use the Liberty pistol?

[vestal ibex]

Group was full. Was a lunar/sewers raid too lol

[tawdry flare]

I mean Liberty is fine but it depends on build what build are you putting dch on?

[tawdry flare]

Mhh you can use blb

Busy little bee

[lilac agate]

just a random boss drop? for st elmos

[tawdry flare]

You can farm ar loot and yes it is random drop from npc

[lilac agate]

fuck, and the nemesis is a quest line?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[pastel pasture]

im guessing pistol is named kills or doggo/chungas?

[tawdry flare]

No a random drop

[pastel pasture]

sr I meant for Killing*

I have Blb

[pastel pasture]

its only doing like 3-10mil dmg to chungas, is it supposed to do more? or am I missing something at full HH stacks

[lyric prism]

25 rolls later.

I know Capacitor is not the favorite weapon but so happy it wasn't 200 rolls.

[glossy scarab]

nice just one optimization

im still too nervous to re roll anything other than a chatterbox and thats cuz i just constructed one

[lyric prism]

eh, its what it is.

for that the priority was max DTA and just have dttoc.

[glossy scarab]

yea i dont wanna lose EB tho

[lyric prism]

yea with the bug affecting some.

[hazy steeple]

From what we know, it's only hitting you if you have a full Inventory.
I re-rolled an Elmo's myself and it was fine so

[lyric prism]

I have not had the issue myself. I know on first day someone with a nonfull inventory in here said they lost an Elmo. grain of salt.

[magic pilot]

Same as mine

[tawdry flare]

I got dttoc in 3 rolls

[magic pilot]

I got Dtooc on second

Max DTA and ar dmg and 9% Dtooc on the 9th

[tawdry flare]

9th attribute?

[magic pilot]

9th roll

[hazy steeple]

The only report of that I've seen so far is from someone who I wouldn't exactly consider reliable.
So like, bag of salt.

[final orchid]

Why you talking about me

[tawdry flare]

Yeah just realised it can't be optimized

I got it at 11%

[magic pilot]

Rip

[tawdry flare]

1% dta I don't even care lol

[wary vortex]

if im doing sniper build, what would be the best exotic

still coyote?

[tawdry flare]

Mantis or nemisis

[tawdry flare]

Dch with regulus

[wary vortex]

thats a suprising gear exotic lol

[wary vortex]

hsd or chd?

[tawdry flare]

Headshot sniper build ofc

[wary vortex]

so all on hs damage?

ok niiiiiice

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

my build for reference

[lyric prism]

so what is this BLB/hotshot headshot build I saw someone talk of?

[magic pilot]

Trash

[wary vortex]

man i wanted to do sniper build with achille at same time

but thats not good i think

[pastel pasture]

Ewwww

[wary vortex]

its definitely better a dude with T6 skills or even overcharge to do achille and a full hsd red sniper guy killing

[tawdry flare]

Wut is trash lol

[pastel pasture]

Determined

[wary vortex]

too hard to decide

[tawdry flare]

It's there for fun or when i get bored I use regulus 99% of the time

[magic pilot]

🧀

"we are basically inside each other right now" ~ souless13

@vestal ibex

[tawdry flare]

" I am not going to use 5.11"

• Souless13 @vestal ibex

[pastel pasture]

These builds seem fine for herioc, but what about leg?

[tawdry flare]

It is good

[pastel pasture]

The dmg sponge in a 4 man group is crazy

Esp chungas

[vestal ibex]

It do be like that

[tawdry flare]

It hits for 28 mil at max cap

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/VMCY7Y5L_Gs?si=Taz8ZOGeNN8mRF9-
9:40

[wary vortex]

nemesis main sniper build

set 1 : headhunter / focus / gc
set 2 : vigilance

pick one on set 1 🙂

[tawdry flare]

Headhunter and vigilance

[wary vortex]

niiiiiice

[pastel pasture]

I like both as well

Once u get used to nem everything is bleh

[wary vortex]

primary : nemesis
2nd primary : m700/mosin nagant like gun
secondary : D50 (i just LOVE this gun)
gear exotic : BTSU maybe

FULL HSD RED BUILD
hotshot: limbs + masks 4 set
gold set (X) : backpack + chestpiece
set 1 : headhunter
set 2 : vigilance```

[pastel pasture]

Is the m700 shotgun is that the military one?

In the build?

[tawdry flare]

Something

[tawdry flare]

M700 is a sniper lol

[pastel pasture]

Oh

[wary vortex]

i dont have nemesis atm

so i just gonna use a named gold gun

[pastel pasture]

Someone told that the shotgun is alright as well for doggos

M870*

[wary vortex]

white death seems good
because its in full stat lmao

[tawdry flare]

Yes it is

[pastel pasture]

I like the carbon atm

[tawdry flare]

Carbon is slightly more dmg than wd but the QOL is higher

[pastel pasture]

Whats the dmg number threshold needed for the leg chungas?

Like 52 mil or somthing?

[lilac agate]

what’s the exotic drop chance in CD

[tawdry flare]

Depends on players but it must be around 20million <

[pastel pasture]

4 man*

[wary vortex]

what is the most powerful gold sniper in single shot?

model 700 i guess

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[wary vortex]

gold sub stat is still DTTOOC?

[pastel pasture]

Did they add more health to chungas in the update???

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[wary vortex]

ok ty, at least i got my goldy sniper done now lol

[hazy steeple]

If it helps, dtooc is pretty much always going to be your 3rd stat.

[onyx sage]

hey, finally got time to get back, so yeah intimidate is buffed a huge amount in terms of stacking speed. previously it took 7 seconds to fully stack to a bonus of 1.407 (40.7% bonus), now it takes only 3 seconds to fully stack to a bonus of 1.4233 (42.33% bonus)

[gentle bramble]

noice

[wary vortex]

just trying to make sure, sniper build and striker build are quite different

[ancient dune]

Depends what you're after, if you're running headhunter dta will actually hit harder against things with a lot of armour and dth will hit harder against dogs and chungas at max headhunter stacks

Model 700 hits hard enough though that regardless of the attribute it will one shot most trash at full stacks

[errant lintel]

thoughts?

[hidden copper]

How do I add some survivability to a striker build?

Just add a blue core and tone down the dps?

[ancient dune]

is good 👍

[wary vortex]

u guys really like DCH+secondaries lol

[errant lintel]

i figured preservation on offhand would be good for survivability

[ancient dune]

just a quick sum up using some random stuff i had on hand, DtA will do even more if the target has more armour

the model 700 will hit much higher numbers than that

for first shot damage when you have no stacks ooc is still king though

[wary vortex]

i guess DTTOOC is still the way

[gentle lichen]

Always has been

[hazy steeple]

They did address this during the most recent Livestream, so that may change in the future.

[ancient dune]

depends what ur after, the raid guys would possibly like the dth more for chunga helmet breaks (think they can already break with ooc though so it's a bit moot), while if general trash has a really high amount of armour the dta could get you past the breakpoint to consistently oneshot them even if vig goes down or something

ooc is just generally okay for everything

[wary vortex]

hansburg is the goldy set?

im doing 4+2 hotshot

[onyx sage]

habsburg is high end yes

[wary vortex]

niiiiice

i guess habs are not the way to go

[frosty trout]

Run 'N' Gun

[wary vortex]

its core stat is blue only?

airaldi then

[onyx sage]

idk... keep ad rush + intimidate but swapping to 4p HF gives more damage, unless you're specifically going after armor regen

[wary vortex]

yep, just tested, habs is blue core only

[onyx sage]

habsburg is blue core yes

you are meant to recal it to red

[frosty trout]

yeah, for this build...thx

[wary vortex]

last question, can you drop nemesis from TL or exotic cache if you "havent done" the quest

[onyx sage]

no, but you can halfway into it:

• get the scope (The Tally) from deconstructing Adrestia
• get lucky and get Grand Washington Hotel Invaded, where the named sniper enemy Puck will drop the blueprint. you need to get The Tally first before she will drop it

getting the bp will add it to every source imaginable, including your targeted loot pool and random NPC drop

[wary vortex]

ok ty

[errant lintel]

best place to farm max roll gear for libreary?

[hidden copper]

I'm farming in countdown right now

Regarding the chain killer + determined build. I see the white death mentioned everywhere. Are there any alternatives that can be used on challenging and below? Semi-autos?

[wary vortex]

i didnt get the nemesis

but i guess mantis is also a good alternatives?

[gentle lichen]

Ehhh

It's really good in pvp but not so sure in pve

[wary vortex]

i think the best solution for me is to give up habsburg

[wary vortex]

mantis is just a substitue sniper exotic before i can get nemesis

i feel unsafe if im not holding an exotic weapon lmao

[rich lotus]

How the hell do I know resources I need to recalibrate, it only shows optimization

[hexed steppe]

only expertise 10 on the snipers , slackin

[tawdry flare]

I never use them much tbh

But yeah

I am slacking

[silk dust]

Hey ik this could be stupid to ask but is there a way any of you guys who do the DZ or conflict can give me an AR 1.3mill armor build that shreds players like nothing

[tawdry flare]

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Dz and conflict play very different

Most common AR conflict build is fox,picaros,grupo,fenris,ceska,coyotes with vigi and unbreakable. Optimist or flatline on AR

3 red core 3 blue

[silk dust]

Anything for DZ by chance but I will keep all this in mind for what I do

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-faObg6CJgNFJ8G1VEqsqTI7SpZKgBSWDgJhEpb6Q_g/edit

[shy willow]

Do people run the sacrifice on oxi or like empress GC

[magic pilot]

3 empress, fox, contractor, wyvern I think

[shy willow]

And probably chatterbox/glory daze right

[magic pilot]

Yes or a gun with in sync

[onyx sage]

preferably lmg with in sync

you can do sacrifice over empress but it's only going to be worth it if you maintain in sync uptime

[shy willow]

Ahh

[hexed steppe]

Dttooc chatter. oxi spam ftw

[magic pilot]

True

[hexed steppe]

But that's relying on 2 oxi outdamaging a single insync oxi ig

[hexed steppe]

Wouldn't the extra 5% amp always outweigh the 10% sd from wyvern. Nobody trading a 3rd empress piece considering it's all skill bucket bonus from efficiency.

[onyx sage]

it turns out to be very close

and it's actually a 4% amp because 1.3/1.25 = 1.04 but you get the idea. without in sync sacrifice actually loses

and yeah i meant wyvern traded off vs empress, empress 3p should be kept

[tawdry flare]

You mean shotgun with insync

[tall topaz]

Hi just came over from Xbox so try to put a new build together, just wondering if there was a good kingbreaker build I was looking at heartbreaker with that laser pointer but not sure, I saw a few builds w the closer chest fox prayers and contractor gloves but not sure what to do only watch level 40 atm

[versed summit]

heartbreaker with a ceska & grupo piece would probably work fine for you for early game grinding, and you can roll some cores to red and add coyotes and a good backpack later

[tall topaz]

Yeah on Xbox I run a 3 piece striker momemto glass cannon or perfect unbreakable then dark winter n Scorpio, gonna take a while to get a good build going

[versed summit]

i hope you mean 4 piece, but fair enough. You can also make a skill build and grind gear with that.

[tall topaz]

Sorry yeah 4 piece, slowly enjoying lmgs as well but don’t know how to go about that with a low level but I think I’ll take your advice on the heartbreaker for now while I’m grinding

[onyx sage]

worse than lmg

[tawdry flare]

why though ?

[onyx sage]

wait wrong numbers

[tawdry flare]

i think so too

[onyx sage]

fixed it, basically shotgun with dttooc still does worse than lmg with dta

[glossy scarab]

is this what wordle is?

[tawdry flare]

Capacitor exists now

[onyx sage]

well is capacitor a shotgun

[tawdry flare]

Nope but it's got 12% dta like shotgun

[onyx sage]

which is still worse than lmg with dta, and why would you be stacking cap to 40 for oxi

it's not practical like one lmg shot

see above, shotgun with dttooc is 96.3% of lmg with dta

[tawdry flare]

It is (1.20 x 1.18)/(1.20 x 1.14) for shotgun / lmg

Clearly shotgun is. Better

[onyx sage]

wrong, you don't do 1.2 * 1.18

wait, you basically shortened

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

how is 1.2 the same for both?

[tawdry flare]

20% dta on shotgun and 20% dttoc on lmg

[onyx sage]

21%*

[tawdry flare]

How 21%

[onyx sage]

lmg second stat...

[tawdry flare]

12% dttoc

[onyx sage]

21%

bruh

[tawdry flare]

Bruh

@onyx sage you did too much work time to sleep

[onyx sage]

fine i take it

why did i even think lmg had 21%?

[tawdry flare]

Shotgun better than lmg

[glossy scarab]

thats a doctored pic its always been 21

[onyx sage]

why am i being gaslit

[tawdry flare]

21% health DMG

[tawdry flare]

You used fire chem

[onyx sage]

nah it's 12% dttooc for lmg second stat

he's right jd

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 🤣

We can simply remove 1.20 common factor

It's 1.18/1.14

But on chungas and dogs lmg will win

Or health in general

[glossy scarab]

the truth isnt always pretty

[onyx sage]

yeah, you're right

[onyx sage]

time to nerf health damage on ARs to fit my narrative

[glossy scarab]

lol

[onyx sage]

anyways yeah, do shotgun with dttooc + in sync

[tawdry flare]

Capacitor with dttoc on range for memes

[glossy scarab]

was this an oxi build discussion? i use super 90 w in sync yeaah

[onyx sage]

yeah

pls give shotgun with 21% dta as unique stat

[lyric prism]

they did. ask the LMB for it back plz.

[glossy scarab]

but you only have access to it in a special game mode where you fight only red bars

[lyric prism]

thats what we need. the return of an LMB shotgunner but as a boss in legendary.

[hexed steppe]

Probably still just hardwire seeker spam. Little weaker than high end setup but can pump out seekers pretty quick.
For an explosives high end grupo 2pc did get a buff to explosive damage so there is that.
Mortar supremacy 😎

[wise swallow]

Too much user input required

[solar token]

before i start optimizing and mess something up

can i optimize multiple attributes on a piece of gear?

for example i picked up a providence holster that has the attributes i want but they're all pretty weak

[random sigil]

what builds to people like using for Legendary Summit? Solo and/or Group builds welcome

[solar token]

can i optimize all the attributes on it? last time i played i thought i was only able to optimize one per unique piece of gear

[random sigil]

no, you can only recalibrate one attribute per piece but you can optimize the whole thing.

[solar token]

gotcha

so if i got a piece that had all the right attributes except one, i could recalibrate to get all the attributes i want

does that apply to chest and backpack talents?

[glossy scarab]

yea you can choose to recalibrate the talents

but then you cant change anything else

[solar token]

i see

so i should be looking for gear that has only one attribute/talent that needs to be recalibrated

[glossy scarab]

yeah. in most cases its idral to get a piece with chc and chd on it so you can either recalibrate the talent or core attribute

[solar token]

i'm still not quite understanding

so you can extract an attribute and keep it in your library, and then increase that attribute by extracting the same attribute from other pieces of gear

and then use the attribute in your library to recalibrate

but can you optimize an attribute already on a piece of gear you want to use?

[solar sable]

Yes, that's how optimising helps a lot when doing a build

Its like a side-decision if you don't want to farm too much

[random sigil]

yes, you recalibrate the attribute that you don't like, then optimize the other attributes if they're not already at max.

[solar sable]

What should I modify to this F2k?

[drifting panther]

i have an idea.

providence mask with chainkiller, 4 piece hotshot

[onyx sage]

why miss out on vigilance

also providence doesn't do that much for your damage since you have a lot of hsd with that build already

[drifting panther]

masks have no talents though

[drifting panther]

plus i don't know if i should use base chainkiller because i don't know if weapon damage matters from walker

and vigilance doesn't matter if i'm using a sniper build

[onyx sage]

weapon damage and vigilance matter a lot

if you're sniping, you're not going to take much damage if you know what you're doing

[drifting panther]

so i'm not supposed to use 4 piece hotshot

[onyx sage]

no? you can use 4p hotshot, just use vigilance backpack and chainkiller

[drifting panther]

fine

[onyx sage]

backpack and chest are where you can put talents and you really don't wanna miss out on vigilance for sniper

[drifting panther]

i never used vigilance on sniper but i'll try it

[onyx sage]

it's a direct 25% increase, which is very big

[wraith spire]

hey what is the fastest way to level up a specialization? I really haven't done the original 3 since I came back to the game and started a new character and I don't want to run my original character through WoNY

my new character has the 3 new specs fully leveled but not the originals and swapping characters would be a bit annoying to do

[muted hare]

Hey guys hope yall are having a blessed day is the carbine 7 good?

[glad heart]

I personally do not like it, however, it is described as a top tier weapon.

[muted hare]

Is it better than the F2k?

[glad heart]

I would tend to say yes, but don't like the F2K either. I run police M4, or exotic St. Elmos

[onyx sage]

in terms of strict power no, but it has a long underbarrel you can put tech laser on

f2k is currently among the best of the best atm

[muted hare]

Damn what a shame the gun looks nice tbh

I was wondering cause I got one with Ar dmg 12.7% Health dmg 17.5 and Dttooc 8%

[onyx sage]

just keep it

[drifting panther]

its a canadian gun which i respect

but how did it get buffed

i had one on one of my builds

[onyx sage]

carbine 7 did not get buffed

[wise swallow]

is it a canadian gun?

C7 and carbine 7 in game seem kinda different

[gentle lichen]

Isn't c7 just an abbreviation of Carbine 7?

[onyx sage]

c7 is also another gun in r6 which is probably the source of the confusion

[wise swallow]

colt C7 is the name of the actual firearm

afaik C7 is not short for carbine 7

C7A2 is canadas service rifle atm

[wise swallow]

R6 has the C8sfw

[onyx sage]

c7e too

[wise swallow]

thats not a real gun afaik

[onyx sage]

yeah i know but it's also related to m16 which confuses people

but i haven't played r6 for a good while so i'll stop commenting on that

[drifting panther]

its kinda confusing but i just like to think its from colt canada

[sudden fog]

whats the bagp[ack u use in FI build

[onyx sage]

the setup, with repair skills and skill haste

[drifting panther]

C8 exists though

[sudden fog]

what brand is it

[onyx sage]

uzina

[drifting panther]

i wanna say that JTF2 does use it but i haven't looked at enough pics to have my sources

[sudden fog]

cheers

what build to make after healer

[wise swallow]

Uk spec forces use it. dutch air force also use it.

[glad heart]

The Carbine 7 is based on the MC7 (Modern Carbine) made by Brace Built, rooted in Garland, Texas, USA

[sudden fog]

might build hunters fury

[wise swallow]

JTF2 use c7 and c8

they use m4's too

they dont have standard rifles afaik

[wise swallow]

that amkes more sense

[sudden fog]

shiould i make hunters fury or umbra

[drifting panther]

i thought they used something else. L something

or was it that what they adopted years ago

finally got the final piece form crafting

i can finally sleep

[onyx sage]

up to you, HF is quite strong

[drifting panther]

both are strong

and both require movement on the go so you need to use a shield

[dreamy valve]

What is it with exotic rifles and forcing you to scope

Also is Doctor Home still bugged?

[candid egret]

What mods should I put on my armour for dead zone??

[random sigil]

is there a good guide a for a Healer build with disrupt immunity? I don't see any variation of that in the pinned spreadsheet.

[magic pilot]

Probably future with 3 disrupt mods and a yaahl piece and 4-5 pieces rolled with hazpro

@random sigil

You only need 86 to be completely immune so 80 is probably fine

[rich cosmos]

Saying umbra needs a shield lol

Umbra can be played in different ways because of how the gear set works, it doesn’t have an actual set playstyle outside of using cover

[random sigil]

Ty! I'm assuming FI would be 4 pc still? Yahl random piece. would you still use the setup or something else for more hazpro?

Oh wait, would i still use BTSU gloves? and if so that means Yahl backpack with opportunistic?

[magic pilot]

Btsu and yaahl bp with opp probably

@random sigil

If you don't want to OC I would use a alps chest with empathetic

[random sigil]

true, might just do the btsu gloves, the goal is for the build to be usable in countdown against the hunters, floor 100 summit, and raids.

[gentle bramble]

Hunters fury using the crit setup, worth to use st Elmo’s or just keep smging

[random sigil]

umm, i'm noticing I can't target loot farm Yaahl. Is there a specific place to get it?

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury gets a specific damage for SMG's, Elmo isn't that good to replace that buff.

[tawdry flare]

Imo yes as a long range option if you want but than use banshee or a good high end smg

[magic pilot]

Only in dz or conflict

If you don't have a yaahl bp just run the setup bp and an extra hazpro roll

[hazy steeple]

Hunters Fury is a terrible idea to try and go long-range with. The Gearset only works when you are within 15m.
Honestly, just forget fighting outside of that range with your guns and get in nice and close.

[random sigil]

Got it. I'll give that a try.

[hazy steeple]

If you really really want something with a bit of range, use your pistol to plink at them as you go from cover-to-cover, I like to do that to break weakpoints before I get there.

[gentle bramble]

oh, durh, you are right

Yeah with HF now I look like one of those insane exploding guys, just in the enemies general direction

[hazy steeple]

Rushers just want to give you a hug.

[wary vortex]

do we have aim assist in this game lmao?

like minimum aim snaps

[glossy scarab]

yeah turn it off it messes everything up

[wary vortex]

where?

[glossy scarab]

in settings somewhere. gameplay or something

[wary vortex]

lol

PC doesnt have aim assist

[glossy scarab]

its an option

[wary vortex]

i need it bruh

[vestal ibex]

For what?

Just aim an be pew

[bronze hound]

is it on by default

[wary vortex]

for aiming?

[bronze hound]

the aim assist in the game will hurt more than help hes saying

[wary vortex]

not if you playing sniper tho, i saw sniper build seems way too op in this season

[vestal ibex]

Aim assist activation usually requires a controller to be used and some PC titles don't even offer it.

[wary vortex]

so i wanna try it out, but sniper aiming is goddamn hard lol

[shy willow]

You don't need to aim properly with determined

[vestal ibex]

Sniper builds aren't any more powerful imo

Just determined is broken and it's been like that for a while

[glossy scarab]

pretty much my only problem with it was that it pulled my mouse cursor away from where i was aiming

[shy willow]

They just because way easier to use cuz determined

[wary vortex]

nah, not when you saw a dude go brrrrrh and one shot every goldy in legendary

[vestal ibex]

Been like that for a while

[wary vortex]

i was like WTF bruh you can one shot goldy?

[shy willow]

That's always been a thing

[bronze hound]

i do around 31 mil a hit

[wary vortex]

see? thats why im playing sniper

[shy willow]

?

[wary vortex]

(not shotgun)

[vestal ibex]

This is nothing new tho

[wary vortex]

i know its not new

[random sigil]

i only got it to 85.8% lol. if i get better disrupt mods, i can get it to 86

[wary vortex]

but sniper can do 20-30m per shot is also true . right?

[shy willow]

Just throw on 4 piece hotshot airaldi vigilance and chainkiller

[magic pilot]

Should be more than ok

[shy willow]

Determined model 700/ m700 carbon

And there you go

[magic pilot]

Did this on my pc account and was hitting over 15m at shd 50 with an unoptimzed builds

[vestal ibex]

You can even still use the white death with the same results

[weary pier]

just gonna put this here lmao

[bronze hound]

yes

[wary vortex]

i already got the gun

[bronze hound]

that splash text was added before heroic difficulty countdown btw

[shy willow]

What's your build

[bronze hound]

so it only applies to challenging

[magic pilot]

That was before any difficulty and no longer applies

[wary vortex]

its not yet completed, i just change build yesterday

[bronze hound]

challenging only

[vestal ibex]

It can be super scuff

[shy willow]

^

[wary vortex]

habsburg seems good if you can manage to roll hsd+vigilance , then you can head to recab the core stat

[shy willow]

With something like 19 mil damage you can still one shot solo heroic named enemies

[glossy scarab]

been trying to craft that a few times every time i played for months

[wary vortex]

apparently im not that good at gacha lol

[vestal ibex]

Don't over think it. It's WAY easier to make and use

[magic pilot]

As you can see it doesn't show difficulty

[wary vortex]

i also thought of alradi tho

[shy willow]

Habs isn't necessary and mind blowingly annoying to farm

[wary vortex]

guess i will go with alradi

[vestal ibex]

Also it's not as good as you think.

[wary vortex]

huge numbers bring me satisfaction 👍

[vestal ibex]

Then use nem

[wary vortex]

20-30m is not crit right?

[tawdry flare]

If you have it than why not use it

[glossy scarab]

20% mmr damage from habsburg is very good tho

[ancient dune]

20% is 20% I'd do a lot for 20%

[wary vortex]

before you have a single piece completed you will lose a liver

[vestal ibex]

Omg don't do this to a guy who doesn't even have a sniper

[shy willow]

Oh shit yeah I forgot they buffed habs

[vestal ibex]

It's bad advice

[glossy scarab]

yeah i know but i keep trying

[wary vortex]

lol

[tawdry flare]

Only use hapsburg if you have the pcs for new players should go chainkiller airaldi bag and 4pcs hotshot

[ancient dune]

yuh the easiest option is probaby 4pc hotshot chainkiller airaldi w/ vigilance and then slowly swap the hotshot out as you get replacements

[flint wave]

chainkiller airaldi > 2 habs

[vestal ibex]

Also unless you are actually hitting new enemy classes it's not any better than other options.

[tawdry flare]

I missk ak Thompson

[flint wave]

I miss gogamer

[magic pilot]

Wouldn't new players be better off with providence and chainkiller for better first shot dmg

[tawdry flare]

Blame @vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

It's all easy to farm

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

You need a new name now that gear lock has been averted

[wary vortex]

you know what, i gonna do alradi set + vigilance/headhunter first

[tawdry flare]

Airaldi is as easy to farm as providence imo

[ancient dune]

I don't think the 15% hsd is any more damage than the 10% mmr with how inflated your hsd stat is

[magic pilot]

Didn't mean farming

Providence will have higher first shot dmg compared to airaldi

[tawdry flare]

I think 10% wd >> 15% hsd in this case

Cause mmr already have 250+% hsd anyway

[magic pilot]

The providence will do more before HH

[vestal ibex]

Sniping is all about head hunters so understand it and know what will drop the buff and what you can shoot on no stacks/half/full, that's what makes you a good sniper.

[tawdry flare]

Have to test It need someone's spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

I remember talking about this a long time ago

[ancient dune]

Actually the HH build has an insanely inflated WD stat as well but realistically it's not enough difference to matter they'd be within like 0.5% of each other

[tawdry flare]

need a spreadsheet for DMG calculation

[ancient dune]

providence probably has an edge

[magic pilot]

It does, but once you have any form of HH stack airaldi is better

[tawdry flare]

Unless you guys actually calculate on spreadsheet

[vestal ibex]

Only an edge if breakpoints are crossed tho

[tawdry flare]

I will not take it

[ancient dune]

ya exactly, I don't think it'd be the difference needed to kill a purple in one hit or something

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and this is what most people don't understand. It's frustrating lol

[magic pilot]

Sub 1k players have weird stats somtimes

[magic pilot]

Any non semi auto sniper is perfectly fine to use

But what is the most optimal

[wary vortex]

it seems that sniper is not quite good in countdown lol

[magic pilot]

Big dmg number oonga boonga

[magic pilot]

I used to run sniper in countdown before tip of the spear was changed. Haven't tried it since

[vestal ibex]

What is optimal to me for first MMR builds is ease of farming and going and using it. Understanding breakpoints and HH is more important.

[wary vortex]

heroic hunter or normal goldy definitely got 50m+ hp

[magic pilot]

I used to one shot the hunters

I have a clip here in the channel somewhere

[magic pilot]

Very true

[tawdry flare]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjNCZMS5UBcl5bAZjAEzxqqkbAEI76xQn1mYAcECxZHam4kM7DAxJgBsrPpwlJ0Adh6TU6QUsXz66WCqXRNkoA

[ancient dune]

very small damage diff 👍

[tawdry flare]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjNCZMS5UBcAmcNLwMxgCsAHKuWtOsJgnmIbFJSxdWZDPKz6teJzgVhLagDYICbiJkYA7ANl9eK9CpHpYapRnVIgA

[magic pilot]

Ngl I can't read that on my phone lol

Which one is higher?

[ancient dune]

prov on first shot, airaldi at cap as expected

[magic pilot]

Noice

[tawdry flare]

Airaldi lol

Read it carefully

[vestal ibex]

Those numbers are stupid. No reason to have bugged that gun that much.

[ancient dune]

wait i am trolling

pls forgive my eyeballs

[tawdry flare]

Yeah you are

[ancient dune]

it's been a long day man

[wary vortex]

lol i have no headhunter and the highest dmg i can do is 5.2m

[tawdry flare]

Airaldi wins lol

[tawdry flare]

Nw

Btw model 700 is busted if it can reach 10 mil

[vestal ibex]

Headshot?

[tawdry flare]

One shot heroic elites

[wary vortex]

4.2m with non-crit hs , 5.6m with crit hs

[vestal ibex]

No one cares about crits for sniping btw

[wary vortex]

ik

[ancient dune]

i am giga trolling actually sorry gang I accidentally turned the crit field on which would favour airaldi 💀 prov just barely ekes by without the crit

[wary vortex]

im full hs build

[vestal ibex]

HH and vigi?

[wary vortex]

no hh

thats why im 4.2m

[tawdry flare]

Nice trolling

[tawdry flare]

Hh matter on 2nd shot not on first

[vestal ibex]

Well get a chain killer and 4 pc hots with vigi and ez

[magic pilot]

Wtf

[tawdry flare]

It needs work

[ancient dune]

it's been a really really long day

[magic pilot]

Youre telling me lol

[tawdry flare]

Waiting for another troll

[tawdry flare]

Remove grouponuse chainkiller chest and remove the bag for airladi/vigilance

[magic pilot]

Jesus

[ancient dune]

well the stats are for an optimal setup so if you play around with expertise or watch headshot stats you could definitely make it favour one or another

[magic pilot]

Cut this guy off

[vestal ibex]

I think they know what to do, just a bit of easy work tbh and ez sniping

[tawdry flare]

Sacrifice this guy to souless so he will be soulfull

[flint wave]

rate my solo legendary build

[tawdry flare]

Should have been 3 pcs foundry

I would make regulus foundry bulwark

[wary vortex]

u guys really like secondaries + DCH lol

[tawdry flare]

Also Ninjabike + 3 pcs foundry + 2 pcs 5.11

[tawdry flare]

Dch is just so good

[flint wave]

2pc foundry 2pc 5.11 1pc improvised*

[wary vortex]

but it needs to charge up right?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but you can use other weapons for 30s

[ancient dune]

based nbbp KING 🧎‍♂️

[wary vortex]

i did think of it before tho, maybe that will be my 3rd build

not interested in tank build, and theres so many good dps sets with armor core stat

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex @magic pilot @bronze hound

[flint wave]

welcome to the club

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[wary vortex]

nvm

im getting chainkiller now lol

[bronze hound]

Can you check my theory

[tawdry flare]

Which is ?

[bronze hound]

You generate more ammo with a larger mag

[hidden copper]

Can anyone recommend a fun pestilence build? Just got one to drop for me

[bronze hound]

Pestilence isn't that good tbh

[wary vortex]

we will get this done nice and smooth lol

[round zinc]

For bk?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[round zinc]

Im gonna open the game rn to test that out

[flint wave]

I wish the talent description helped

"Replenish some ammo" duh

[round zinc]

Base bk is 100 shot regen right

[wary vortex]

i will use this as a transition before i get my chainkiller in countdown lol

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

Not bad

[wary vortex]

last fight i dont even have vigilance bag + hh chest