td2-build-advice

[bronze hound]

so blindfire sniping might actually be a thing

[glossy scarab]

maybe

[bronze hound]

i gotta try it when i get it

[rich cosmos]

Merciless could’ve been good if the hits required were less and it had less recoil

[bronze hound]

im only level 20

[round zinc]

Even if burger is better than g36 it still loses to elmo which is like…infinitely easier to get

[hazy steeple]

You can already blindfire sniper if you proc determined with a 100% stability MMR.
it's hilarious.

[magic pilot]

That's not what I said at all

[round zinc]

I know im just making a comment

[magic pilot]

Wdym lmao EB is stronger than Elmo in literally every dps category

EB wins in mag dmg, sustained, and burst

[round zinc]

Do we

[glossy scarab]

not an mmr but close enough

[magic pilot]

Elmo has great handling though

[round zinc]

Sorry i was typing something

[bronze hound]

i hate this video

[hazy steeple]

exactly! my-man!

[bronze hound]

youre not even aiming at the head

like at all

[hazy steeple]

actually Bighorn beats it in burst, which just shows you how silly it is to compare burst DPS.

[round zinc]

I was tryna say that burger was mid but i forgot they get ooc this season.
Right off the bat tho g36 has more single shot damage i think

[glossy scarab]

much less likely to hit the head every time

[hazy steeple]

That's determined for ya!

[round zinc]

Same rof too

[bronze hound]

are we actually comparing the eb to elmo using a g36

what has this channel devolved into

[magic pilot]

What are you on about

[round zinc]

Who are you

[hazy steeple]

Resolve has really messed with the tiers, Eevee. It's wild-west time

[rich cosmos]

Blinder firefly gearset when

[round zinc]

We all know chameleon is the goat

[magic pilot]

Basically any high end gun with a good talent is better than Elmo and EB

[bronze hound]

i designed a blinder firefly exotic

[round zinc]

Wait

[rich cosmos]

We talked about this before

[wise swallow]

nothing compares to EB

EB supremacy

[bronze hound]

yeah its so shit

[round zinc]

It does 1 EBillion dps

Stand proud ouro you are strong

[wise swallow]

incorrect. you are stupid.

[rich cosmos]

Firefly is the forgot child of gadgets, well I guess trap, but trap had its chance

[ancient dune]

what about the capacitor and its current one capacillion dps though

[magic pilot]

EB at base value is quite good now, it just loses to high end in either sustained or burst depending on the talent you use

Capacitor is actually a really good ar now

[hazy steeple]

Odder is just a really big fan of feathers, only way I can explain their love of EB.

[round zinc]

A 10% buff and ooc is that big of a buff?

[hazy steeple]

at least with Backfire I get the excuse of potential.

[ancient dune]

yea it outdoes every AR in the game

[magic pilot]

At base^

[ancient dune]

against armour***

[round zinc]

But muh 40 round mag

[rich cosmos]

Backfire actually might be better now because of the 50% haz pro from healing

[ancient dune]

it beats them with strained too (in burst) ((in a build with low crit))

[magic pilot]

2 brazos, 2p TP ninja bike time

[tawdry flare]

It does 511 million DPS

[round zinc]

You’re about to be a chameleon the way i deconstruct you

[rich cosmos]

I saw someone using a 3 piece set with ninja bike today

[hazy steeple]

That's just on skills though, which seems like a hassle to fire off every time I want to reload.

[magic pilot]

"If you build around this niche gun in a super specific way that sacrifices dmg to make it useable it can out dps Ouro striker!"

[round zinc]

Ok but unironically i want to try capacitor now

[rich cosmos]

Healer hive and chem

[hazy steeple]

Yes those are skills.

[magic pilot]

Picaros and red brazos piece with technician on the standard red build

[rich cosmos]

Yes but easy to access skills

[magic pilot]

Drop contractors and one of the providence

[hazy steeple]

It's only when you deploy them, correct? So to reload on Backfire I have to drop a heal hive?

[round zinc]

Just tank all of it

[hazy steeple]

I'mma stick with my high-end setup for now.

[round zinc]

How do you build backfire:
Hazpro❎
Healing❎
I simply live with the pain✅

[magic pilot]

Join the dark side

[hazy steeple]

You're on PC, why not snip?
or PS I guess.

[glossy scarab]

do you automatically become less sensitive to a status the more you're exposed to it? or is it tied to healing or armor kits or something

[magic pilot]

Play PS and console

[bronze hound]

ps is console

[vestal ibex]

THAT'S NOT PC

[hazy steeple]

Yeah just checked your roles, always forget to.

[round zinc]

What buff did future perfect get chat

[rich cosmos]

What is the damage like?

[magic pilot]

That is also a screenshot lol

[bronze hound]

it got a buff?

[magic pilot]

Pretty good actually

[glossy scarab]

its just an extra skill tier on mechanical animal

[magic pilot]

Future perfection got a buff

[round zinc]

Idk i know for a fact that mechanical animal got a buff

[glossy scarab]

not future perfect in general

[rich cosmos]

What are the yellow attributes

[magic pilot]

Worst dps AR in the game sig 556

[hazy steeple]

I actually meant a snipping tool, which can be directly pasted into chat here and doesn't require a magnifying glass to read.

[round zinc]

Still weird that sig AR did not get a buff

[magic pilot]

Skill dmg, but I wouldn't use them tbh

[wise swallow]

EB allows brain to turn off. play point and click adventure and still do well

[magic pilot]

It looks normal on mobile it's a discord issue

[round zinc]

It looks really nice and i really want to use it

[rich cosmos]

Devs didn’t want to make the good looking rifles actually usable

[magic pilot]

10% lower dps than top AR at base

[round zinc]

Ah well at least the dps difference in the AR class isn’t big

[round zinc]

LVOA-C moment

Literally buff rifle handling by 50%

[rich cosmos]

Pretty sure the devs actually just dislike rifles

[wise swallow]

LVOA is hot but such a shit rifle irl

[magic pilot]

@rich cosmos honestly I would stay at 3 skill tier and not bother rolling the other stuff yellow core

[rich cosmos]

^

[magic pilot]

Just forgo the skill dmg

[round zinc]

I will literally run umbra rifle exclusively to relive div1 LVOA-C

[magic pilot]

Mp7 kinda meta now for high end?

[rich cosmos]

I tried its just not worth it you lose too much damage for handling

[round zinc]

With ouro in play nothing is meta

[rich cosmos]

The recoil is too bad

[round zinc]

Its ouro or bust

Mp7 still looks nice enough tho

[rich cosmos]

Oreo boring smg

[round zinc]

I can see myself using it

[round zinc]

so true bestie

[magic pilot]

Ah nvm mp7 still loses to tac vector

Super strong in descent though now, probably one of the best guns

[rich cosmos]

Shocked we don’t have an mp7 exotic

[round zinc]

The named variant has 1 less mod slot for some reason

But hey it has pinpoint accuracy when you proc it

[magic pilot]

I want mp7 to be good because of div 1

Lowest tier dz bracket that's all everyone used

[rich cosmos]

Once again, the devs hate the good looking weapons

[round zinc]

Is Mp5 good now

[magic pilot]

It's not bad now, second im burst and middle of the pack for sustained (mp7)

[magic pilot]

Second to last in burst, below mp7 in sustained

Think it got a mag size buff?

[round zinc]

Rip

It looks so good

[magic pilot]

Just realized I meant to say PC and console

[glossy scarab]

i been using banshee a lot. thats pretty high on the top smg list now

[hazy steeple]

Banshee is great, but I've got a 24 expertise mp5-st and I can't justify spending the mats to make an alternate.
or I couldn't before this update.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i struggled to put 9% on it so far. was not ready with materials for all this new stuff i need to optimize and exp

[magic pilot]

Banshee still a super good choice

[glossy scarab]

yeah it outperformed several other of my (former?) top smgs and those had 17% exp while the banshee was at 9%

[hazy steeple]

mpx, banshee, mp5, ouro i think are the "top" ones then, have not checked post-update though.

[round zinc]

Did banshee get a buff

[glossy scarab]

i think so.

[magic pilot]

Third in burst losing to mp7 and tac vector

So first real smg with mag attachment and more than 40 rounds

[round zinc]

I just thought bout this:did we even account for mp7 having faster reload speed

Since it doesn’t need the big mag attachment which reduces reload speed

[magic pilot]

Well I'm not looking at sustained so no

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, a lack of mod-slots really kills a weapon for me.

[round zinc]

Its not that big on the mp7 tbh

[magic pilot]

The sustained category in smg is useless to go off

[glossy scarab]

swap speed is functional now!

[round zinc]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[magic pilot]

The m1928 is the top for sustained and it's missing 3 mods

[glossy scarab]

woot wooo

tommy gun isnt too bad either

[hazy steeple]

Great, someone else can throw their mobster from the 20's gun on and have fun.

[magic pilot]

Complete ass lol

[hazy steeple]

fun fact: the gun only works if you say "ratatatatat" in chat as you fire it.

[glossy scarab]

i love it because i have this. and its good

[narrow tulip]

Vile or coyote

[hazy steeple]

Going by your name, Vile on a red DPS.

[narrow tulip]

Working on chest and knees now

[glossy scarab]

that doesnt go there

[final orchid]

lol

[glossy scarab]

coyote

[final orchid]

i cant tell when hes asking serious questions or not

with his name

[glossy scarab]

me neither

[flint wave]

vile + st elmos🧠

[rich cosmos]

Not worth

Can someone explain what oxidizer is good at specifically compared to other chem launchers

[flint wave]

4 player floor 100 cheese

[vestal ibex]

Very niche skill tbh

Has more use in speed running and cheesing certain things than practical uses.

[flint wave]

yet when the enemies use it on us it's super scary

[narrow tulip]

What do I need to do

[vestal ibex]

Make better builds

[narrow tulip]

Real

[rich cosmos]

I saw it in legendary and I just really didn’t see how it was useful outside of killing a dog through spawn door

[narrow tulip]

But fr tho what do I change

[rich cosmos]

You need to be a lot more specific than that

[hazy steeple]

To be clear: your name is making people think that this is all a joke.

[narrow tulip]

Now help with build

[hazy steeple]

Say please.

[narrow tulip]

Pretty please with a cherry on top

[hazy steeple]

Okay there we go,
tl;dr Strikers builds are quite simple: coyotes mask on the face, the rest is 4pc striker and 1pc Ceska.
the chest should be ceska if you are running anything but Legendary/Incursion, the talent on the ceska chest is most likely Obliterate.
go for Gunner as your Spec Tree. This gives you 10% AoK (armour on kill)
guns are an AR of your choice and a backup fast-firing quick reload shotgun, like an ACS-12.
Lemme know if I forgot something.

[ancient dune]

substats should all be crit; twice as much crit damage as chance is roughly optimal until chance caps out at 60%

[rich cosmos]

50% chance is good with coyotes

[hazy steeple]

Since you are running Coyotes, yeah 50-55 at most chc, don't go below 50.
chd once your watch is giving you the +20 and it should be breaking 120, higher if ya fancy.

[shy willow]

Elmo pumps crit numbers too

[buoyant berry]

Best specialization choice?

[narrow tulip]

Here’s watch

[hazy steeple]

Still Gunner for that 10% AoK so you can self heal without skills.

[ancient dune]

best to put everything into crit chance first then freeball the rest

[narrow tulip]

How do I view stats with new update

[ancient dune]

right trigger 3 times from the inventory screen

[narrow tulip]

Bumper*

[rich cosmos]

Plus ammo regen

[hazy steeple]

bumper cars?

[narrow tulip]

Bumper on controller

[shy willow]

Those crits are exceedingly low for an Elmo

[ancient dune]

i was lacking the critical information..

[hazy steeple]

See exactly, I was excited about the bumper cars too.

[wise swallow]

am i mentally challenged or is busy little bee actually a pretty good exotic

[ancient dune]

it's not bad if there's lots of dudes to shoot

[flint wave]

I've only used it for one purpose

killing Aaron keener marauder or Aaron keener himself in 0.2s

[narrow tulip]

Ik

Ways to grind optimization materials?

[final orchid]

little busy bee could be good with heartbreaker

[wise swallow]

even if theres 1 dude

pretty quick 20% wp dmg

[hazy steeple]

On a red build, if you don't need a Kard for whatever reason, a BLB would not be a bad choice to take.
I mean what else is going there.

[flint wave]

orbit

[final orchid]

whats the deal with Kard custom why is it part of builds

[shy willow]

Free skill tier

[ancient dune]

you swap to it and drop a res hive

then pick it back up after it picks someone up and swap back off

[shy willow]

Its free revive and tier for one time use skills

Traps, sticky etc

[wise swallow]

i got it from a dz cache and thought wow this things a piece of shit. now trying it on SMG blue striker i actually really like it

[final orchid]

interesting

[wise swallow]

wont be trying it on any AR build cuz i use EB exclusively but

[narrow tulip]

Any answer to my question?

[flint wave]

don't worry about optimization at low shd

it's too expensive

people get most their optimization materials like tactical assessment and field recon from repeat new york runs on a high shd

[narrow tulip]

So just recalibrate for better stats?

[hazy steeple]

Eventually sure, but don't worry about it yet. This is deep endgame stuff.

[glossy scarab]

i cant wait to see how high these ticks get with some expertise on it. 1.4 mil per tick ring around the rosey with heroic ellite targets

[random sigil]

For HF, do people still use the intimidate/adrenaline rush combo or something else for chest/backpack talents? Also, what brands, cezka groupo?

[hollow solstice]

for pvp, what high end gear can I use with ouroboros?

[cyan drift]

never has a piece of armor made me so livid, confused, and humored me as much as this

732 armor away from god roll, 15 armor per second away, 50 health away from max

[wise swallow]

2 soko, group, coyote, foxes, contractors

adrush, oblit (or intim, kinda unreliable)

[hollow solstice]

thanks

[narrow tulip]

What perk should I do in the watch for defensive

[wise swallow]

armour, haz pro, whatever else

actually maybe health before haz pro with new changes?

[random sigil]

For Red FI build, are you still using scorpio/lefty? Or ar?

[glossy scarab]

I use scorpio for that 20% incoming damage debuff on the enemy. or i use ouro and a viglance bag

[shy willow]

You're probably better off with bloodsucker

[glossy scarab]

the change to intimidate is great. makes the talent useable again

[shy willow]

For sure

[random sigil]

hmm, i'll give it a try

[shy willow]

42 percent twd at max stacks

[glossy scarab]

for regular intim or hunter killer?

[random sigil]

got the matador blueprint from descent so i was curious.

[shy willow]

Regular

[glossy scarab]

damn i thought it was like 35 or something

[shy willow]

Yeah dien explained it's actually self multiplicative

Talent lies

[glossy scarab]

yeah one of those deals i get it

[random sigil]

I have to yet to craft a setup that has both chc and chd

[shy willow]

I might have to actually try intimidate sometime

[glossy scarab]

i have a lot of fun with it. very good with HF. the only thing about it is trying to shoot while theyre within 10m of you. i think they should make it 15m like HF

this. even with 2 blues works great

lady death works nice too bc you run meth fast

[shy willow]

How comes sokolov and not a crit brand out of curiosity

I wanna like lady death but the mag size is yikes

[glossy scarab]

2nd pc of sokolov gives 15% chd just like grupo would

[shy willow]

Ohhhh

[glossy scarab]

so nothing changes at all if i swap one out for grupo

[glossy scarab]

i messed around with a build that gives lady death 49 rounds i think. but ideally you need a red core brazos chest piece with oblit for it to work best and thats a hard find

[shy willow]

Does it hit decent numbers

[glossy scarab]

eh it wasnt bad. it was passable for heroic open world. like 650-700k

[shy willow]

Ah not the worst then

[glossy scarab]

cuz now you dont just get the 32 stacks, you get as many stacks as you have rounds

[narrow tulip]

How good is top of the spear

I think I’m going to use it so I can get the passive sig ammo reload

[magic pilot]

Terrible

[glossy scarab]

apparently it used to be good for headhunter builds and not useful anywhere else. but they changed something recently that apparently made it sucks now

[magic pilot]

No TWD buff for non signature weapons

[glossy scarab]

weaak

[shy willow]

Yeah it used to be good because you'd get beeg buff for your rifle

Then they slammed it

[glossy scarab]

that gear set was already on the fringes and they went and made it worse

[shy willow]

Rigger tier now

[narrow tulip]

When I was using it before WONY it was good for the sig ammo but ok

[shy willow]

After wony your signature weapon doesn't mean anything

[narrow tulip]

Is there any other way to passive regen sig ammo or get it dropping a bunch

I see

[shy willow]

The Xbow and the tac50 are the only ones you'd unronically use

[narrow tulip]

I like to sig weapon spam lmao

[shy willow]

Although with the new Hollywood the grenade launcher will probably be very fun

[glossy scarab]

i go wild with the minigun when golden bullet is out

[shy willow]

Perhaps the smart launcher too

[hidden copper]

Does anyone ever run any defensive mods other than armor on kill and protection from elites? My mods inventory is overflowing all the time..

[narrow tulip]

I used the flamethrower, stinger missle launcher, and tac50 mostly

[shy willow]

Yeah Sig weapons are fun with GEs

[shy willow]

Niche use cases for a fair few

[glossy scarab]

bleed resist is good if you want to make a backfire build

[hidden copper]

Armor on kill seems a bit weak too, considering the amounts?

[glossy scarab]

yea not worth it

[shy willow]

The aok from mods is ass

[narrow tulip]

I’m gonna log off for the night then we I get back tomorrow grind assault rifle for better st Elmo

[shy willow]

You get more by running gunner lol

[hidden copper]

Yeah, it's weird to me.

[narrow tulip]

Cu my st Elmo is pretty bootycheeks

[shy willow]

You can simply reconfigure it

[narrow tulip]

I could but then I’d have to get a bunch of resources

[shy willow]

You don't need that much

[narrow tulip]

Honestly it’s easier for me to hope for a better st Elmo’s then just reconfigure

[shy willow]

A component and some steel and stuff

[glossy scarab]

yeah its cheap rly

[narrow tulip]

I’m low on those

[shy willow]

Especially with how easy it is to get components now

[narrow tulip]

Like I said I’ll get on tomorrow and run around NY cuz there’s so many bags and chests

[shy willow]

Farm (solar farm) control point

[narrow tulip]

After I get out from school

What zone is solar farm

Or location

[glossy scarab]

east mall

[narrow tulip]

Ok

[void yarrow]

Better?

scratch that 130.3% CHD now

[livid bridge]

How much crit chance did you sacrifice for it though?

[void yarrow]

im at 51.3% CHC lol

@livid bridge

[errant lintel]

whats the best smg to use thats not an exotic

[cinder gazelle]

Dark winter is good. The apartment is good.

[hushed gorge]

Both are DZ Exclusive tho

[acoustic coral]

Outside of working on the regulus, with the latest changes in TU20 Y5 S3 - I mean, are we changing out the White Death now? What's the knowledge thus far? I know they're working hard on updating all the guides in the sheets, but what have we found out?
I'm not looking to change it up gearwise for now, maybe later (Thinking of diving into HF and HS variants, aswell as other high-end stuff later)

[hushed gorge]

Logged into this game after a long time

So much have changed

[hexed steppe]

Changing out white death isnt necessary.
With my build I was hitting 28mil with white death and 29-30mil with m700 tac.
The m700 is more convenient as you can put a tight packed mag for 12/13 round total and extra mod slots.

[hexed steppe]

But anything you could kill with the white death before, you'll still be able to kill now. It didn't get any worse, just the m700 got slightly better.

M700 is really nice though 💯
Especially if you bump up stability

[hushed gorge]

They fixed Thousands of bugs and created a game breaking bug

[acoustic coral]

"game breaking".

[hushed gorge]

Well,not game breaking as most of the people know it now

[acoustic coral]

It's not exactly game breaking to lose an exotic. A game breaking bug either makes you crazy overpowered and trivializes all content - or makes the game unplayable.

[hushed gorge]

Imagine losing Raid exclusives during the process
I might have gone into depression

[hexed steppe]

Dont reroll anything and no issue can happen

[gentle lichen]

Dtoc hater

[hexed steppe]

🤣 more like losing gear to bug hater

[gentle lichen]

I guess scorpio is game breaking now

[hexed steppe]

Is that the total per pellet or per 8 pellets

[gentle lichen]

Per 8 pellets

[acoustic coral]

hmmm, okay. Might farm for one of those later on. How does M700 Tac, Custom and the regular Model 700 compare?

White Death, decked out

(you know, outside of the 20 more expertise that comes with many, many more hours)

[hexed steppe]

I think the regular model has slightly more base damage but 1 less mod slot.
Tac and carbon are the same afaik

[urban latch]

That's not new lol

[tawdry flare]

The biggest point is it is a team 20% DMG debuff on enemies

[woven pewter]

They have different rail mods. Tac has small, carbon - large. Gotta check, because im not 100% sure of that.

But i couldnt put a grip on m700 tac.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah you may be right. I havent looked @ carbon

[ancient dune]

carbon has a long rail tac has a short yea

same with the SRS A1 vs the covert SRS

[acoustic coral]

patiently waiting for reset
I managed to join a lovely squad with the gigaest of chad carry. I don't know half of what we did, one guy had 90K+ SHD and well. I'm so close to reggie, I can taste it

[hexed steppe]

very nice

[hexed steppe]

yep, it does.. looks like its back to farming and another 42 exo gonna be used 😅

[narrow tulip]

What gun is that

[shy willow]

The regulus

[gentle bramble]

I do not understand how to play HF 😄

[flint wave]

cqc

[magic pilot]

More a cqb guy myself

[potent mauve]

Hey guys im kinda looking for a build cuz i was running striker with coyote which is ok but i was told to many times that my build.is trash (full red ) and i was kinda looking for a bit of survivabilty (im a mostly a solo player and i can do summit solo kinda some trial and error but in raids etc i feel useless )

[hexed steppe]

one thing youll need to do is take what everyone tells you about your build with a grain of salt.. their are a lot of bad builds around from people that think they're hot shit.

striker, ceska oblit chest, coyote is a really solid goto for most content. you would switch in the striker chest for tankier enemies like incursion or countdown.
big thing is making sure youre hitting 50%chc and dumping the rest of attributes into chd.
if solo there is enough damage in striker that you could slot in memento/ceska oblit chest and shield and that would give you a big chunk of survivability with little investment and still all red. add tech spec and youre looking at a tier 3 shield with all your red cores.

[potent mauve]

Hm well i wear exactly that but you are right i will need to match up some gear for defirent activities i have 45% crit rate with 110c dmg propably not that high but i came back recently

[hexed steppe]

all good, once you get all your attributes correct youll have better numbers. if not using elmo/exotic weapons, make sure you are using chc mods on your weapon for the most efficient use.
there is a pinned spreadsheet in this channel with a lot of proven builds as well if you like having references. they usually have a few variants.

[potent mauve]

Okey then thank you for the advice and will check those out

[tidal sierra]

Weapons subject to change. Does this gear set make sense? Should I try and focus headshot damage with MMR or crit chance/damage? Still need to find and customize all the gear as I haven't played since before hot shot was available.

[flint wave]

Ninjabike included, doesn't make sense

[hexed steppe]

ive used a very similar setup with ninja and picaros. youll cap out in the 18-20mil range. if you ran a hotshot piece for picaros and an airaldi vig bag youll hit around 30mil with expertise maxed

[tepid trout]

Sniper builds is one of the only places where ninjabike is good

[flint wave]

no I've tried, it doesn't work

[hexed steppe]

first shots without buff will benefit a lot from vigilance

[tepid trout]

If you're doing missions/open world I'd honestly change the prov and chain to airaldi HH and habs since HH caps our at the same value

[hexed steppe]

better off with chain/airaldi compared to 1airaldi/1habs

[tepid trout]

Only reason to run chain is to get a higher damage on the second shot then there's no difference

Chain takes 2 headshots to max and non perfect takes 3

In raids/leg I'd prefer chain

In control points/heroin I'd prefer non perfect

[flint wave]

the only build I've found where ninjabike is practical is red fi since backpack talents are pretty trivial there

[tepid trout]

Red fi for what?

Depends on what you're using it for

[flint wave]

for good healing

While keeping the self damage red fi carries

[hexed steppe]

itll work great in reanimated 😆 that 20mil turns to 40mil+ depending on the changes

[tepid trout]

If you're running it in group content eg razorback I prefer opportunistic

[flint wave]

I bet 4 pc blue Hotshot 2 pc belstone using liquid engineer can still one shot legendary ads on 4 player with reanimated

[tepid trout]

Solo content I can't say as I've never seen any point

[hexed steppe]

idt there is much that wont 1shot on reanimated 😆

[flint wave]

obviously but what about if ur not doing a niche dark hours strategy

[tepid trout]

Thwn there isn't much point to run it

[flint wave]

and ur playing cd or 4 player content

[tepid trout]

Speedrunning and countdown are the only 2 places I see it used

[flint wave]

I used it in legendary because I can't stand playing a support role that can't do anything on their own in MM

only once tho

people in mm suck still

[tepid trout]

Always have

Also red fi isn't really niche you almost never have fi drones and even if so it isn't as good

Buffing 6 players by 25% is great

[gentle bramble]

is there a guide/primer for that? I think I am missing the basics 😄

[tulip charm]

Bro when you kill them close with the red debuff they take more damage and makes you stronger

Its an very simple gear set to understand

[gentle bramble]

mmkay

[wooden finch]

who had the chart for all the new DPS values after patch

[magic pilot]

Ikia

[blissful rampart]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit#gid=1392226193 this one by him

[rich cosmos]

Whats the best talent for an ar rn in terms of just dps? Optimist, strained, or measured

[vestal ibex]

Stained

Optimist if you've got three or more blues.

[onyx sage]

you like stained glass?

[vestal ibex]

I like swipe on mobile and sometimes it doesn't pick up letters for certain words so easy.

[onyx sage]

hey, no shame. i dislike stained kitchen tops personally. jkjk

optimist might be even further diminished if you've got expertise on your gun, which is relevant considering how much easier you can get a gun to +25 now

[hexed steppe]

how does behind you stack up on mmr. strained doesnt seem like it would be good at all

oops, ar, not mmr

[onyx sage]

it's a straight 15% amp on first shot and around 4% effective amp on fully stacked HH on 3 hots-

[hexed steppe]

🤦‍♂️

mb

[onyx sage]

behind you doesn't go on ARs now, limited to rifles and mmrs

[hexed steppe]

i thought the op question was about mmr, i misread

[narrow tulip]

Is it good?

[tulip charm]

is what good?

[rocky rain]

Is the Build tool to be updated with Palisade Steelworks?

[gentle bramble]

There's no way to get to 150% HSD without the watch 10% right?

[tulip charm]

its possible

[gentle bramble]

I need better mods I guess, I don't have 10% ones but even so I would get max to 143ish

uhh maybe if I change to sharpshooter, but losing the firewall shield is ughhhhh

[urban latch]

On what build?

[gentle bramble]

HF but using Dodge City Holster

Something like this, also f*** HDR screenshots

ignore ACS-12 I just haven't find anything to use there

[urban latch]

Your shotgun is going to be very tight to reach 150%. I think you might need the hsd from the watch to reach it with that

I would run a providence backpack with vigilance and you'll reach the 150% threshold

[onyx sage]

in this case it'd be a providence chest with headhunter

[gentle bramble]

Yeah, I was trying to make the holster happen but I don't think it will. Also I almost never trigger the Headhunter because I am terrible at aiming so this actually may be the wrong build for me bahahahah

[onyx sage]

but yea as raucey said you'll need all the hsd you can get, also mod your m870 to have hsd too

[urban latch]

I don't think the dch is worth it unless your running the HE setup

[gentle bramble]

I will embarass myself here but what's HE

I guess high end as in no green set

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[magic pilot]

Military m870

[vestal ibex]

Have you adjusted your sensitivity? It takes me like 10-11 inches of mouse movement to do a full 360. If it's like 1-2 inches to 360 that makes aiming hell

This would help with normal gameplay and recoil not just headshot builds.

[hexed steppe]

Doubt

1/4 inch 360 is 😍

[gentle bramble]

I read on the evernote that Wicked may work, so let's see

lol you f***k kidding me hahaha

[hexed steppe]

Go gain 5 shd and you'll hit it

[vestal ibex]

One of these days I really do hope you change it. Even if you lowered it to half you'd see a huge increase in accuracy.

[hexed steppe]

You assume I'm not accurate? I'm good. Been running high sensitivity for many many years

[urban latch]

Yes I do

[hexed steppe]

😂 Its how I roll 🤷‍♂️

The only time I changed it is when I ran higher sensitivity because whatever mouse I was using came with higher.
I been running 3600dpi since it was available like 10-15 years ago... at least I'm not trying to run the 25000 my current is capable of

[urban latch]

I want to see a clip of you playing lol

[hexed steppe]

Sure thing

[void yarrow]

i wanna see this to lmaoo

[flint wave]

me doing a 360 while adsing on console 🛌 💤

[void yarrow]

stick drift coming your way lmaoo

[flint wave]

not yet

[void yarrow]

yet lmaoo

[flint wave]

me controller still good

[vestal ibex]

Bro I had to buy controllers so often

[void yarrow]

im gonna need a new keyboard soon ive worn the letters off my wasd keys lol

[vestal ibex]

I'm gonna die if it's a skill build or determined vid...

[hexed steppe]

😂 well it may be. Should I just run around with striker?

[vestal ibex]

Regulus head Hunter...

[hexed steppe]

No, I'm not good with regulus yet. That's your thing

[vestal ibex]

Maybe there is a reason?

[void yarrow]

lmaoo

[vestal ibex]

Like the fact that 1 degree of rotation is 1/360th of an inch?

[hexed steppe]

🤔 maybe it's the build...

[vestal ibex]

Do it on normal then.

[gentle bramble]

I have to check that. I think my mouse sensibility is mid to low

[hexed steppe]

I'll do something, you'll have to accept what I give though.

[void yarrow]

my dpi is 1100

[hexed steppe]

Too high

Should be 250

[vestal ibex]

That's actually a really good idea then doing normal, dying, player position and all that doesn't matter

[vestal ibex]

The game defaults you at 25 aim/look. I run 5 aim and I can pop off 70% accuracy in almost any content/build. There is a bit more to accuracy like shooting corpses and odd hit boxes on some things but if you can hit 65% regularly that's very good.

[void yarrow]

i normally am hitting 60ish %

[vestal ibex]

That's pretty good and a portion of that is how fast to do you stop shooting once something dies. The bullets into a dead body don't count.

[void yarrow]

i shoot dead bodies for the fun of it lol

[vestal ibex]

Mah boi here wishing we could crouch.

[void yarrow]

just finished floor 100 of summit on heroic last night after 12 tried killed the rogues and then dumped like 3 mags of my acs into ones dead body

[vestal ibex]

Solo? 4 person? Did you all do the emote thingy?

[void yarrow]

duo

[vestal ibex]

Well if you find 4 people hit me up, I've got 100 floor checkpoint I can give away.

I won't help tho cause I wanna keep my checkpoint.

[void yarrow]

what emote thingy?

[gentle bramble]

I can hold a button to lower the dpi temporarily but that’s annoying. I also play with a giant fov

[void yarrow]

my fov is max lol

[vestal ibex]

Almost all of us play with max ingame fov

[vestal ibex]

There is a commendation for doing an emote after you finish floor 100 with 4 agents. Not needed tho.

[wise swallow]

jitter central

if you have play that high sens your ever a old man or 13

[vestal ibex]

I really just want to see people play the game better. Aim sensitivity is one of those things that really impact your game play. If someone had a keyboard that required 5 lbs to press a button and I said bro you should get a better keyboard and they said naw I'm used to it I'd be like those poor fingers.

[glossy scarab]

i got a new mouse a couple months ago. my old one was 15+ yrs old. i had no idea how bad it was

[vestal ibex]

Wow that could be a museum piece.

[wise swallow]

you dont need to use super low sens but anything below 15cm/360 is just stupid

[gentle lichen]

High sens while not aiming doesn't matter unless it's the aiming sens. You need to 180 sometimes so quickly but aim accurately

[vestal ibex]

They have seperate aim and look sense tho. I run 5-18

[wise swallow]

I just run the same 33cm/360

learn to move your arm when aiming lol

[flint wave]

thumb only gang

[vestal ibex]

It's just at one inch to move a few degrees you'd need a set of calipers to even measure the distance.

[wise swallow]

?

distance can be calculated using yaw values and DPI

[gentle lichen]

Yeah that's what i mean. Having high sens while free aiming but slow when aiming is a thing. You don't have to be stuck with >15 cm or <35cm

Both have their uses accordingly

[vestal ibex]

They can be measured both ways?

I'd actually say it would be smart to do both to verify cause computers/software/drivers are stupid sometimes.

[wise swallow]

yea but why do it with calipers

pc will be right 99% of the time

good enough

[vestal ibex]

I'm just trying to express how small that distance actually is.

[wooden sphinx]

Hunter-Killer, Matador, Enforcer, the Apartment...

[flint wave]

enforcer blueprint in descent when

[hexed steppe]

That's a long convo about needing low sensitivity to crutch your aiming.

[wise swallow]

what

how is sensitivity a crutch 💀

its literally what moves your mouse

yes my crutch is the ability to move my mouse at my desired speed

[hexed steppe]

I'm just flipping it around on ya guys

Preference makes a difference

[void yarrow]

but no one said your sens was a crutch so your just saying shit now

[wise swallow]

yea no one said anything about a crutch a 1/4 inch 360 is frankly unusable

[hexed steppe]

In your opinion. Obv it is

But I guess I hit a nerve

[wise swallow]

your telling me you do a 720 in 1cm of mouse movement

im just calling cap now

[hexed steppe]

Idk actual distance. I run 3600dpi so whatever that relates to. I was being a bit of a joker, but it isnt a lot of movement on my end

[wise swallow]

1/4 is impossible actually

[wise swallow]

what ingame sens

[hexed steppe]

Ide have to check. Probably default tbh

[urban latch]

Get us a clip lol

I believe your used to what your using, but I think it's significantly limiting your ability to aim

Or it's slower than your describing. Because what your saying is horrible

[wise swallow]

ill believe it if you can kill me with 1.8mill armour in a DZ within 20 seconds

[hexed steppe]

When I log later.

[hexed steppe]

You'd have me in the floor. 💯 I dont ever pvp

[wise swallow]

i wont shoot back

literally just be able to hit me enough times

[flint wave]

nah that dz movement when you don't shoot is insane

not impossible to kill but Harder then if the person slowed down in order to shoot you

dieing complicates things but ignore that

[frosty trout]

Greetings, any tips to tweak this build more, its an hybrid (Armor 1.5M, Skill (6 Battery) and DPS (Capacitor - weapon DMG from 6 battery (6*7.5%, 20% DMG to armor)

[void yarrow]

show stats

[flint wave]

are you tryna farm for red palisades?

[covert meadow]

@void yarrow I think it looks really good, the main 2 stats are over 100% in chd n chc so you should be good 👍

[void yarrow]

oh yeah that looks sexy

[flint wave]

those blues hurt

[sudden fog]

What build do I make now g just done my healer

[void yarrow]

my only thing is see if you can pump CHD up since 60% is the hard cap for CHC you might be going over the hard cap@frosty trout

[gentle lichen]

Put a yellow on picaro and boom you have 2 brand slots for use

Or just flat don't run ninja

[sudden fog]

Lads

[flint wave]

2pc brazos and memento = instant improvement

[frosty trout]

Thanks for all the tips team, will definately explore them

[sudden fog]

Lads

[flint wave]

striker

[void yarrow]

def go add up all your CHC and see you might be going way over

and dont forget the watch will add 10% CHC

[sudden fog]

I have striker with grupo mask ceska gloves do I change!!?!???!

[void yarrow]

Coyote's Mask exo

[frosty trout]

ya i did , thanks

[void yarrow]

oh and 20% CHD

[void yarrow]

np if you need any help lmk

im sitting at 53.3% CHC to up my CHD to 130% going up

[white halo]

with my gear set pieces am i rolling crit chance or damage on them ?

[void yarrow]

whats set you using?

[white halo]

atm, hunters firy, returning player

[void yarrow]

send pic

[white halo]

not on the game yet, was just curious on what i should roll on it since i have only one stat too roll, if that makes more sense ?

[void yarrow]

always make sure your main stat is max rolled so you can change between CHC and CHD

[white halo]

ok but what stat should i priotize more at first ?

[lime nebula]

any decent build suggestions for a Dr Home?

[void yarrow]

50-55% is normally where you want your CHC and dump the rest through CHD what level is your watch?

cause watch gives an extra 10% CHC and 20% CHD

[white halo]

454 i think?

i havent been on in a long time

[opaque cairn]

im so tired of elmo strikers. is there any sort of update to status effect scorpio builds with this new TU?

[void yarrow]

okay im going to the gym soon but when ever you get on send me a pic of build and i can help to the best of my ability

[void yarrow]

hey i love my elmo striker lol

[white halo]

beauty will do

[frosty trout]

Thanks for the tip, the Ninja bike help gives 3 battery from the picaro and 2 peice steelworks (Chest and Mask) , and the bag itself..removing it and adding skill to picarco still leaves me without 2 skill which also stack with the Capacitor ...the aim was to have all 6 skill without future perfect 🙂

[void yarrow]

but i will say make sure all mods are 12% CHD or what ever the best you have is but aim for 12% CHD mods

[hazy steeple]

A little extra closer to 60% chc will help more than having a solid slightly lower amount and higher chd.

assuming no Coyotes of course.

[void yarrow]

Rivens can help way more the me lol^^^

[void yarrow]

mines so good lol

[hazy steeple]

Nah you're doing great!

[sudden fog]

i dunno what buikld to make now i got sniper striker and healer

[hazy steeple]

Have you tried a Red FI setup? It's like a healer but you can also kill people at a non-glacial rate.

[void yarrow]

Rivens GC or Obliterate?

[hazy steeple]

Some people really like GC, but Obliterate is my jam.

actually on my HF I run Mad Bomber because I'm weird, but Oblit is the safer winner.

[void yarrow]

cause wasnt paying attention and got a Ceska CP the had 15% WD and 5.2% CHC and then i rolled 12% CHD but didnt think to see the talent was glass cannon

[hazy steeple]

If you can play with the style, GC is real strong.

but it is kinda specific and you have to be careful.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah that health stat on the first one is real rough, I'd keep the latter and work on getting a better first, so you have choices.

[void yarrow]

yeah i was about to do a countdown to see if i felt a difference

but switching puts me at all reds

[hazy steeple]

a health stat is pretty much useless on most builds anyway.

[void yarrow]

yeah thats what i thought

[hazy steeple]

is this for a Striker or other?

[void yarrow]

elmo striker

[hazy steeple]

with your Coyotes on, your chc is pretty much perfect.
that's a solid build. Just make sure your secondary gun is good for stacking.

[void yarrow]

im running a acs for back up

is this a good acs?

also should i run another special over the minigun for this or is the mg good?

cause im also running shield and banshee pulse but not sure if i should switch

[pastel pasture]

If I didnt want to run the st elmos, wats a good ar to run with the typical strikers build

[bronze hound]

F2000

[hazy steeple]

@void yarrow ACS is fine, the armour damage is a bit low but I'd keep that copy until you find a better roll with the same 3rd attribute or talent.
Gunner is perfect since it gives you 10% AoK (armour on kill), very nice for a bit of self healing on Striker which has none.
nah that's a fun tech combo, it's what I use too.
@pastel pasture Actually there's a bunch now since the update buffed a whole lot of them.

[bronze hound]

the named f2k is the shield splinterer right

i just found one almost max sitting around in my stash lol

still no blb >:(

[void yarrow]

its so good playing solo lol

[bronze hound]

ehh debatable

[void yarrow]

what is?

[bronze hound]

acs being good

[void yarrow]

meaning tech combo

[bronze hound]

eh i run striker with fixer

and firewall

[void yarrow]

is fixer drone good never understood the hype

[bronze hound]

it does its job

not sure what you mean by good

[void yarrow]

like hows the healing with a dps build

[bronze hound]

2/3rds of a bar per tick

[hexed steppe]

probably around 18k/s

[hazy steeple]

ACS is the best stacker for Striker, which is what it's being used for in this case.

[bronze hound]

no need for acs if you have ouro

[hazy steeple]

They're under SHD 200 Eevee.

@void yarrow you're good!

[bronze hound]

perfect time to attempt first inc

[sudden fog]

if you have ouro what do u run

[hazy steeple]

An AR that can reach more than 5cm.

[sudden fog]

eb fine?

[bronze hound]

ouro

not sure what you mean

[void yarrow]

i did merit manor the other day

[hazy steeple]

Both are an Exotic, so can't run them together.

[sudden fog]

of duck ye

[sudden fog]

ye but do u run acs

[flint wave]

hell no

[bronze hound]

i havent played the game in a while and i just realized i have a rnr equipped idfk why i have a rnr equipped im taking it off after this cd lol

[flint wave]

rnr good

rnr the highest deeps

[bronze hound]

ill swap for shield splinterer

[sudden fog]

is there any point in me running incursion if i have already got the chest this week

[bronze hound]

it still has like a .1% drop chance from bosses

[flint wave]

You get feel good chemicals by helping noobs get their chest

if u got ouro alreadu

[hexed steppe]

1%

[bronze hound]

wtf someone just opened their shield 20 times in half a second

[flint wave]

server issue

[sudden fog]

nah i dont have it might aswell trey with the 1% drop

[bronze hound]

lol

[hazy steeple]

Eevee out here not knowing how to fly with their shield.
skill issue.

[bronze hound]

.1% not 1%

[bronze hound]

is it 1?

coulda sworn it was .1

[hazy steeple]

Wait do you not know?

[hexed steppe]

yeah afaik

[hazy steeple]

yeah its 1%

[flint wave]

it's 1%

[bronze hound]

wait i was getting EB mixed up

[flint wave]

[bronze hound]

eb is somewhere around .1

[hexed steppe]

they didnt fix that?

[bronze hound]

fix what

[sudden fog]

i have eb i got caarried and someone dropped me it

[bronze hound]

not from the incursion

[hazy steeple]

you may be thinking of the DZ chance that's like .024% or whatever.

[hexed steppe]

eb dropping in incursion

[bronze hound]

i meant from dh

[flint wave]

eb doesn't drop in incursion anymore

[hazy steeple]

Who's on first?

[hexed steppe]

oic, bouncing around

[bronze hound]

EXOTIC LETS HOPE ITS BLB

[flint wave]

ninjabike backpack

[bronze hound]

FUCK ITS MOSQUITO

[wooden sphinx]

What's on second?

[bronze hound]

i dont even have this gun and its in TL lol

[flint wave]

Perfect for the stash

[bronze hound]

i just want blb

[hazy steeple]

A while ago they started adding the Seasonal exotics to the TL pool before they dropped, I assume because of complaints by silly people.

[flint wave]

I deconned my last imperial dynasty once

[bronze hound]

wait

[flint wave]

had to farm a new one

[bronze hound]

nvm my charging station on my desk said it was drawing 100w power for some reason its back to normal now

[wise swallow]

I have gotten an absurd amount of exotics frrom conflict caches

[hazy steeple]

crypto charging station, nice.

[wise swallow]

i get 2-3 every 20 caches

[bronze hound]

oh btw the skill mod thing doesnt work

dupes are still added to inventory

[flint wave]

They disappear after they become unsharable

[bronze hound]

oh ok

i hope youre right lol

[flint wave]

I hope so too

[bronze hound]

did you just make that up

[flint wave]

That's my only explanation for skill mods disappearing

lololo

[hazy steeple]

You should edit your pfp so it has a halo too, then it'll be superior to the spreadsheet icon.

[main socket]

Is there any nice smg build that I can use

[sudden fog]

ouro

[wise swallow]

Ouro + the normal crit shit

[glossy scarab]

hunters fury is built for smgs and shotguns. and it gives you a brief CC on kill which is really helpful

[drifting cargo]

so im currently building striker set but im lacking ceska body pieces and acs shotgun

any easy alternative i can use for now ?
already have famas with fast hand

[hazy steeple]

A countdown run for each of those pieces will sort you out in about 30mins.
might take 1-2 runs if you're less lucky, but you'll have something workable.

you don't need perfectly statted gear or anything, just "good enough"

[drifting cargo]

so ? first its need to be ceska brand with all the the right stat ? and talent can come last ?

or obliteritate talent comes first ?

[hazy steeple]

^

As long as your CHC is at about 50% if using Coyotes (gun mods with crit chance (CHC) are best), then just put the rest into CHD.

for your ceska chest, look for one with the ideal attributes first, then swap on Obliterate yourself, so you can change it later if you need to.

(also your SHD watch will give you +10 chc and +20 chd eventually)

[drifting cargo]

halfway there , alright the stat come first and talent comes later, as long as CHC reach 50% first

what about the acs ? is it important to build stack ? i guess its the same rule ? stat first ? talent last ? what about doable talent ? i think the named shotgun DZ exclusive

[hazy steeple]

The stacks are your main source of damage on a Strikers build. The ACS is just very good at doing it, but you can use other similar shotguns like the six-12, etc.
if you are going for an ACS, don't worry about the DZ locked one (Rock+Roll), it just has a bigger mag but no Talent slot, so it about evens out.

Lefty is another option, it has the perfect Sledgehammer Talent on it and is rather nice for boss enemies.
yep, it's the best way to go is to go for attributes innate, change the Talent. (although on guns you can only change the 3rd attribute and the talent, what you're looking for is dtooc)
wow that was a lot of text.

[drifting cargo]

gonna read and check spreadsheet first then edit this later

[hazy steeple]

Yeah the spreadsheet is a good point of reference for most things. It's being updated for the new patch, but Striker doesn't change much.

[drifting cargo]

welp that settle my question thanks a lot

[white halo]

what are multiplicative damage weapon talents ?

[onyx sage]

are you asking what that means or do you want a list?

[white halo]

list

[onyx sage]

sadist, ignited, eyeless, flatline, behind you, ranger

though keep in mind that these require that you play to them instead of being just plug-and-play

[rich cosmos]

Its kinda funny how worthless eyeless is

If only there was a skill deserving of a gearset and overhaul

[narrow tulip]

Thoughts on sacrum imperium

Which one should I use other than st Elmo’s

[white halo]

are any AK worth using or not really?

[void yarrow]

to slow of RPMs in my opinion

[white halo]

whay are good rpm range am i looking for?

[void yarrow]

for an ar id say 850+

[gentle bramble]

What does one need for the HE version of a HH build?

[rich cosmos]

Try reading talents

[onyx sage]

punch drunk
the gift (or regular providence backpack with vigilance)
chainkiller
contractor
dodge city holster
fox

all rolled hsd + weapon handling (hsd priority)

[gentle bramble]

I think I’m missing punch drunk.

[narrow tulip]

I’ll get a pic cu I have no idea what I’m doing

[rich cosmos]

You’ve had no idea what you are doing for several days

Honestly at this point I have to recommend watching build crafting youtubers

[gentle bramble]

erm, I am sorry if I am bothering with my questions too

[solar sable]

nah, everyone here were/are newbies

so asking questions is not bothering

[gentle bramble]

Is there any specific difference between the different M870 types? They have same damage and etc, is it a what they can roll different situation?

[magic pilot]

They are all the same besides the military m870 has the low reflex sight

[solar sable]

this damn son of a gun...

[rich cosmos]

Not god rolled, delete

[gentle bramble]

saw some dude on YT showcasing an intimidate/bloodsucker combination with HF

[hazy steeple]

Be slightly wary about div2 youtubers. A lot of them mean well, but....yeah issues.

[gentle bramble]

yeah, I tried one a few weeks ago and was... not good

[haughty latch]

use them as a guide.

not the holy grail of builds

[hazy steeple]

Oh god no, absolutely do not use them as a guide.

I was trying to be nice, most of them just flat-out lie.

I won't name direct names, but if you see the words destroy/annihilate/devastate or other similar language in the title, steer well clear.

Kia is alright, that's about it.

[gentle bramble]

Apparently the in game tip is wrong, because it doesn't match the patch notes

Gain 3 stacks per second up to a max of 9 and each stack increases total weapon damage by 4% to enemies within 10m.

Initial values were 1 stack per second to a max 7 and each stack increases total weapon damage by 5% to enemies within 10m.

Perfect Intimidate: Gain 3 stacks per second up to a max of 10 and each stack increases total weapon damage by 4% to enemies within 10m.

Initial values were 1 stack per second to a max 8 and each stack increases total weapon damage by 5% to enemies within 10m.

[wise swallow]

AKM is fairly good

[solar sable]

Dude, its .1% away from that 😭

[soft sequoia]

Which one is better for a pvpve build? St Elmo’s or Eagle bearer?

[wise swallow]

Eagle

[soft sequoia]

Ty!

[rich cosmos]

After the update elmos really isnt that great anymore

Now that a lot of ars are better

[wise swallow]

Elmo is good but only 1 person in your team needs it

[rich cosmos]

F2000 on top

[wise swallow]

theres really no reason to have 2 people using elmo in a group

[hazy steeple]

Okay before y'all confuse the newbies: nothing happened to the Elmo AR this update, soemthing else was just buffed.

[soft sequoia]

I heard F2000 is amazing I just like the look of those the most so that’s why I wanna use one or the other lol

[hazy steeple]

it's still really, really good.

[soft sequoia]

Understood!

For pvp specifically tho after the new update is Elmo’s talent any good still or is the eagles talent better?

[wise swallow]

Eagle has always been "better"

Elmo has its place but EB is universally better

[soft sequoia]

Gotcha Ty for the advice

[wise swallow]

Eagle basically gives you the opportunity to isolate 1 player then face trade. then take an entire whole 4 stack with basically immunity to dmg

it always gives you breathing room if your playing against a more experienced stack, most pople will run away from you when they see EB talent active

[soft sequoia]

Oh ok I see

[wise swallow]

Elmo shocks people. so theres also that, what id suggest is have 1 tank or something with elmo and rest use EB

[magic pilot]

Elmo talent is basically useless in pvp 2/3 of the time

[wise swallow]

solo just use EB

elmo takes way too long to stack in a solo setting

[magic pilot]

In pvp rn the Meta is Ouro or f2k now

Bad players will crutch Elmo but with the shock changes it's basically useless now in pvp

[wise swallow]

it is not

[narrow tulip]

Cuz I'm a diagnosed with ADD so I actually don't get half this shit Imao, and I lose focus when I’m halfway through working for it. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm asking y'all to hold my hand and walk me through it I just want something that shreds hopefully

[wise swallow]

shock change just lets you slow walk. still cant shoot and your still a easy target

shock is not useless in anyway

[magic pilot]

Booster hive clears shock and grants immunity

[wise swallow]

Bad players dont crutch with elmo they use it to their advantage when need be. its not useless by any means lol

[magic pilot]

Sure

[narrow tulip]

I see all the stuff about how this is good and do this build and this and I’m just in between doing everything lol

[wise swallow]

this doesnt make elmo useless. it forces teams to play around a booster hive which is alot better then letting them do whatever they want

im not saying use elmo as a DPS gun or anything

have a tank playerr use it

[magic pilot]

I'm not sure what you mean by tank

[wise swallow]

keep it in back pocket with shock rounds and use it when it makes sense

cava, big sheild, tardi player

any of those types of builds

[magic pilot]

You would want those players run high dps weapons to make up for the lack of build dmg

[wise swallow]

or have a utility weapon that shocks people

tank builds are never gonna do meaningful dmg

[magic pilot]

I'm still not sure what you mean by tank in a pvp context

The Meta is running as much armor as possible

[wise swallow]

.

I dont just mean a high armour build as a tank. talking more gear itself

[soft sequoia]

So Elmo isn’t worth for a dps build just for a tankier one in a pvp sense

[magic pilot]

How would you run Elmo with big shield?

[wise swallow]

if theres no other exotic your using theres no reason to not use elmo

[soft sequoia]

Oh yea I get that was just curious

[magic pilot]

Tbh id rather just have someone on my team doing dmg than just eating bullets

If you have a healer you don't need a tank

[wise swallow]

stack it off NPC's

its a back pocket gun with shock rounds

[magic pilot]

That just seems counter productive to a build built around big shield especially since it locks you out of regulus or liberty

[wise swallow]

cava gives 100% haz pro on a 15 second uptime

to the whole team

[soft sequoia]

Is EB good for pve tho or just pvp?

[wise swallow]

tardigrade is a second unbreakable for the whole team

PVP isnt a DPS check

[shy willow]

It's a serviceable option in PVE

[wise swallow]

id rather have a tank to strafe in and out of and tank most of the shots for me

someone i can firewall med behind

[soft sequoia]

Better or worse than Elmo would you say?

[shy willow]

Objectively worse but I prefer EB

[wise swallow]

if you wanna run liberty which isnt all that useful or regulus which will do fuckall dmg sure

but elmo is still a viable option

[magic pilot]

Wrong

[magic pilot]

EB has higher sustained, burst and mag dmg at the cost of handling

[main socket]

Hey guys anyone here

guys i need help with this heartbreaker build do i need to use the kingbreaker or can i use any assault rifle

[shy willow]

Majority will use Elmo because it pumps crits and has free handling

[void yarrow]

@shy willow

[wise swallow]

EB supremacy

use EB

[void yarrow]

dont got

[shy willow]

Whenever people say they don't like EB they cite the handling but it doesn't even handle that bad

[wise swallow]

I say skill issue

a trained monkey could control EB recoil

[void yarrow]

i dont use skill builds sorry lmaoo

[soft sequoia]

Lmao

[magic pilot]

Average Elmo user

[void yarrow]

hey i just got this gun

as of last night

[gentle bramble]

If there was a determined for shotguns I could actually one shot people 😄

[shy willow]

If you're talking pve you can basically one shot anything without a helmet

[soft sequoia]

I Was grinding for Elmo guess I need to find a raid group!

[shy willow]

It's a nice rifle

[void yarrow]

summit is where i found mine

[soft sequoia]

Wait u can get it from summit?

[void yarrow]

targeted loot same with countdown

[soft sequoia]

I thought only dark zone and raid?

Wait fr

[magic pilot]

What are you talking about lol

EB is only raid and dz

[void yarrow]

he said elmo

read

[soft sequoia]

Oh I meant EB

My bad

[void yarrow]

meh elmo is better

jkjk

[soft sequoia]

Oh snap

[random sigil]

i like the m4 still.....

[void yarrow]

ewwwwwwww

kiddingggggg

[random sigil]

😅

[void yarrow]

EB and elmo kinda are m4s tho

[soft sequoia]

U like EB better too?

[magic pilot]

EB is a p416 Elmo is M4

[void yarrow]

no Elmo

^^^^^^

[soft sequoia]

Why Elmo?

[soft sequoia]

Oh u just like the talent more I see

[void yarrow]

and it has 70 rounds

[soft sequoia]

Do you like it for pvp better too or just pve or both?

[void yarrow]

havent pvpd with it yet

[soft sequoia]

Ah ok

Ty for your input!

[void yarrow]

and ive never had the EB just being a shitter

hey ill own up to it lmao

[wise swallow]

uhhh actually its a LVOA-C which is an AR15 not an m4 sir 🤓

[soft sequoia]

Is tenacity hard to proc in pvp?

[wise swallow]

Kill someone with a headshot

Not hard to do when your already shooting someone in the face most of the time

[rich cosmos]

Eb has 60 and more damage

[void yarrow]

^^ see info you dont get when you dont have the gun lol

[magic pilot]

It's stats are off the m4

[rich cosmos]

Lvoa on top

[surreal depot]

Chameleon

[rich cosmos]

Blinder firefly

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[next parrot]

so in regards to a mainly red crit build If I am to be using coyotes mask as the designated mask for said build whats the crit chance i want to be at?

[surreal depot]

Depends on what range you're playing for

[surreal depot]

Focus

[next parrot]

medium on average

[magic pilot]

Big W

@vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

FUUUUUU

How many times did it take you?

[magic pilot]

Think 8-9

I got Dtooc on the third, then went for max DTA and Dtooc lol

[pastel pasture]

is the m870 shotgun still the best when it comes to HH?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[surreal depot]

As close to 60 as possible without losing too much CHD

[white halo]

what martials do i need for recalibrating ?

[solar sable]

What's the button to hold where it says Optimize?

[white halo]

nothing showing up? i just get no materials

[solar sable]

Idk what's the key for PC...

[white halo]

its v for showing recorces

[solar sable]

press V once

[white halo]

yeah

[solar sable]

this doesn't pop up?

[white halo]

what am i looking ?

i just get big l;ist of shit

[solar sable]

The resources needed for you to optimize

[white halo]

thats what im trying to find

all i get is a list of everysingle mat i have

[solar sable]

im no help here, not from pc

[white halo]

all good

thanks though

[solar sable]

did my best

[next parrot]

on pc when you enter the tinkering menu "X" should be defualt button to try to optimize
it will show you thge mats you need and what you are missing if you can't optimize it

[white halo]

i dont want to optimoze i wanna recalibrate

how do i find the list for that?

[next parrot]

should be the defualt thing you do
just click on the piece of equipment you want to recalibrate and choose the stat you want to change

[white halo]

yes

but i am out of matrial

i wanna kniow what i need

i get the menu for optimize

bnut nothing for recalibrate

[next parrot]

hold on let me get into game and see

[next parrot]

choose either weapon or armor and click on the specified piece you want to recalibrate
it should show cost of recal and your current amount of resources

[white halo]

thats my issue

its not

[next parrot]

I'm gonna need to see step by steps of what you are doing

go to bench>hit tinkering>choose weapon or armor> specify specific piece> list should appear

[white halo]

i have

its not showing

im gorestart my game and see if that works

still not shoing fml

[rocky rain]

How to get the EB? And on which difficulty?

[white halo]

showing

[solar sable]

eb?

[white halo]

eagle bearer

[solar sable]

Oh, in the DZ's, chances are very low

[white halo]

or however you spell it

[gentle bramble]

Bloodsucker + intimidate is interesting. ALso intimidate seems to be filling faster, I am almost always with the full bar

[rocky rain]

Only DZ? Not countdown?
I hate rogue agents in DZ. They always kill me lol

[solar sable]

Yeah, EB is pvp exclusive as I've heard

[next parrot]

Eb is gotten from the first raid dark hours primarily. There is a chance to get it from opening the chest at the end of it using 5 keys gotten throughout the raid

[void yarrow]

@white halohow much money do you have?

[main socket]

guys i need help with this heartbreaker build do i need to use the kingbreaker or can i use any assault rifle

[hazy steeple]

Any AR, as long as you can put the underbarrel Tech Spec Tree laser on it.

Kingbreaker is only recommended since the Talent is good, but you can put a similar version on any AR.

[main socket]

What’s the best at to use

[hazy steeple]

The old choices of police m4/c7/kb/etc are still fine, but there's been an update for guns recently (no real nerfs, mostly just buffs) so ymmv.
A carbine-7 is nice and accurate if you want a good place to start. The most important thing is to have dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as the 3rd attribute and be able to change the Talent.

[hushed gorge]

first time playing with sniper build
hits hard

[glossy scarab]

keep an eye out for a good model 700 mmr, it'll hit even harder

i checked with identical builds and the model 700 had over 3 mil higher damage than white death

[gentle lichen]

Pummel on snipers when

I know hotshot is a thing but it's a whole gearset 😿

[glossy scarab]

im not aware of any partial gear sets

[inner flame]

Either you use underbarrel attachment coming from technician specialization…. Or you can even use spotter drone which comes with Sharpshooter specialization…

[rich lotus]

i can only send one pic.....idk why i cant drag and drop them all in here but yeah....

[inner flame]

If you are not into PvP, raid is better option.. someone will help you by opening chest in the end.. they can donate you

[rich lotus]

nvm it worked

my holster can be better cuz the bonus skill haste i get is really......not needed for the build. So something that gives additional damage stats would be better.
The rest is all strikers stuff (except gloves and holster as said)

and yea quesetion:
what can i do apart from changing holster to something more optimal, shd level and maximizing the stats?

[tawdry flare]

Carbine7 and M4 are bottom tier weapons now

[hazy steeple]

No they aren't.

[shy willow]

They didn't get any worse there's just other options now

There's certainly worse guns

[hazy steeple]

Other guns were buffed, they were not nerfed.
I am sick of that attitude being pushed on here, frankly.

[tawdry flare]

Yes they are let me show proof

I saw the spreadsheet from ikia

[tawdry flare]

Comparatively yes

[flint wave]

the only m4 I care about is elmo

[magic pilot]

Carbine and m4 are so of the worst ARs with long rail now

[tawdry flare]

To prove my point credit: iKia

G36 is the better weapon to use with long range

[glossy scarab]

man carbine 7 whats the deal

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to just keep chain linking this here because I'm sick of saying it.

[flint wave]

ak m

[tawdry flare]

I will keep chaning the image than

Not my fault devs nerfed them indirectly

• For Balance

[flint wave]

wisdom from me always take spreadsheet evidence with a grain of salt

[tawdry flare]

Wisdom from me use both spreadsheet and practical testing

[wise patio]

Me ?
I just equip the gun that sounds nice when firing 🗿.

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher

[magic pilot]

It doesn't matter if they directly got nerfed or not lol