td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2MB951jWlc Here have all the info if you'd like.

Knowledge is powah.

[onyx sage]

here as well, warhound guide

[flint wave]

where sparkle weakpoint

[vestal ibex]

You just kill sparkle, no weakpoint needed.

[patent fossil]

iirc it does have a weakpoint, it's just got such high health it's not really worth focusing on

[vestal ibex]

Best memory of sparkle was my random MM team trying to hide from her and just getting clapped in a corner. Was pretty funny.

[sudden fog]

why sweet dreams

[flint wave]

yeah it's the light on the front it allows u to hit headshot damage(red numbers)

[wooden sphinx]

The melee is useful. I also use Enforcer.

[random sigil]

Aren't we supposed to be able to recalibrate the 3rd stat on exotics? I tried, and was not able to.

[rocky rain]

What is the benefit of Chameleon over St. Elmo’s?

[onyx sage]

reconfigure, not recalibrate

[random sigil]

but, haven't we always been able to reconfigure? How is it different now?

[fickle light]

before (pre-this update), the new exotics (like St Elmo's) have had third attributes that could be changed with a reconfigure. Older exotics like Eagle Bearer or Chameleon have had set 3rd stats. With this update, you can now change the older exotic's third stats,

[random sigil]

OH okay. that makes more sense. Thank you.

[vestal ibex]

There isn't?

[rocky rain]

Mmm, and I was happy obtaining a new exotic… so it’s an older model?

[vestal ibex]

It's just an AR with SMG range and kinda takes the worst from both worlds. If you can manage to get all buffs up you'll be happy but you could just do similar damage all the time.

[rocky rain]

Ok, I’ll stick to Elmo then. Tnx

[fair shell]

I got this loadout and I think I am missing something. I am trying to get The white death and perfect determined for the headshot combo, is there a way to farm named MR

[fresh grove]

Countdown

[rocky rain]

What is the best way to get Exotic weapons?

[fallen comet]

Countdown with the targeted loot you need

[rocky rain]

Thanks!! And then select eg Shotguns? Any difficulty I must set?

[fallen comet]

Either challenging or heroic, and yup if you want something like scorpio you gotta select shotguns, etc

[rich cosmos]

Whats yalls opinion on this, thinking of grinding for a vigilance backpack instead of the kneepads

[stark solstice]

How to use doctor home exotic without scope

[rich cosmos]

You cannot

[stark solstice]

So it's useless for closure fight

[rich cosmos]

Kinda yea

Its not a very large zoom scope

So you can use it up close

Also keep in mind the gun is bugged and has its pts rework, being headshots grant the kits, not kills

[hexed steppe]

M700 variants are a good option as well

I would get a chainkiller chest and a vigilance bag if you want a solid sniper build tho

[onyx sage]

i would say so yes, get a ceska vigi backpack and replace fox

[rich cosmos]

Kk

I think I have one but its pretty meh stat wise so I’ll wait until I get whisper to drop because the m16 I have rn has a crit chance roll on it

[hidden copper]

Just got a waveform - is it still BIS for turret/drone builds?

[onyx sage]

it's not worth using over a wyvern holster

[random sigil]

aren't skill mods supposed to auto deconstruct? they haven't been really.

[magic pilot]

Don't think they added that

[random sigil]

it's in the patch notes tho

[hidden copper]

Seems like they did, but only identical mods. So if you have two kinds of mods that go into the same slot, they don't deconstruct..

[random sigil]

OH okay, that makes sense. some of the mods have the same exact stat and go in the same slot, but have different names

[hidden copper]

Yep, an oversight really. There's no point to that other than to introduce inventory clutter :/

[random sigil]

yeaaah, but at least you'll only have 1 of each so not tooooo horrible

[hidden copper]

For some reason I'm still at 90+ mods. Although I'm fairly new to TD2 so maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[random sigil]

mm, im at 77

[hidden copper]

I'm saving three of each gear system mod "just in case", then one of each slot and type for skills.

Not sure if it upgrades already-equipped mods either..

[sullen sun]

Best place to farm receiver components?

[stuck junco]

would it be better on a striker build to go with fox's prayer or the gunbelt with +15% weapon damage?

anyone done the numbers on which is more optimal, 8% DOOC or 15% wep damage

[sullen sun]

Grupo

[stuck junco]

thanks 👍

[onyx sage]

fox or picaro are rarely best in slot unless you have too much crit which, yes you would rather take crit via coyote, ceska or grupo

[stuck junco]

yeah i got coyote so i'm fine for crit

just wondering what my sixth piece should be to go along with coyote + 4 striker

[onyx sage]

then take ceska

[hexed steppe]

Countdown - TL weapons

[sullen sun]

TL?

[hexed steppe]

Target loot

Breakdown All weapon types for the receiver components

[solar sable]

which mods are recommended to apply into a 4 piece Striker and Memento?

[tulip charm]

Usually Crit damage but I always run a crit chance on memento.

[solar sable]

oke, thx

[sullen sun]

How’s Sys Corr after the update?

[livid bridge]

how important is the chest to heartbreaker?

[tulip charm]

more stacks = more damage and bonus armor

[livid bridge]

so which is less important, chest or backpack overall?

[tulip charm]

backpack

[livid bridge]

awesome, i know what to replace it with, thank you

[old estuary]

Is this a mistake: Aegis Backpack talent says || Polyethylene Plating- Increase Stoic Damage Resistance bonus from 3% to 1%.
Shouldn’t it be the other way around? (Example: 3% to 5%)

[tulip charm]

It has wrong description iirc

[old estuary]

Thank you, went through a loop trying to find out what are all the known issues and I found it. For second I thought I misunderstood

[ancient dune]

@pastel pasture @flint wave https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k2ED0uWZODGlxaMP1rMKpgxRbHyfWQBelTVEKGfJzM0/edit?usp=sharing

[flint wave]

5 years later

[ancient dune]

I just woke up 😭 cut me some slack

[flint wave]

jk it's good

[royal raft]

For an FI Healer build how important is it to use The Setup? I have The Setup backpack but with useless attributes, while I also have an Alps Backpack with usefull attributes and Opportunistic.

Is Perfect Opportunistic so much better that I even take useless attributes or rather use the Alps backpack with regular Opportunistic?

[bronze hound]

just use alps til you get perfect setup

[flint wave]

alps extra repair skills is pretty useless since you have so much healing to start with

[shy willow]

Setup blueprint is on cp3/4 loot pool just run those

[bronze hound]

i got mine on r&k lol

[rich cosmos]

What are the mods on merciless?

[hazy steeple]

Optics: +10% Accuracy
Magazine: +10% Reload Speed
Muzzle: +10% Stability
Underbarrel: +10% Weapon Handling"```

[rich cosmos]

Rip

Thats a pass on that then

[violet smelt]

Is vile mask worth it for playing in a team?
I feel like my teammates are killing enemies faster than it's effect
(I'm playing as a CC build with status effects everywhere)

[bronze hound]

not rly tbh

[pastel pasture]

so behind you with m 700 has higher base dmg?

[ancient dune]

on the first shot you mean?

[dreamy valve]

80% pfe

[pastel pasture]

yee, also what is the deal with achellies is that a talent?

[ancient dune]

skill

I haven't tested every different build and setup in htis one but yes behind you typically gives a fairly significant boost on the first shot damage since it's an amp, but becomes less significant at higher damage because the amp doesn't scale headhunter bonus

[pastel pasture]

all good, these test in the begg is great to see the numbers

[shy willow]

More base damage means stronger headhunter

But amps will increase first shot

[pastel pasture]

Are chungas named enemies?

[ancient dune]

nah

the lookup table inside the sheet needs more work and the implementation is quite bad right now I set it up in a hurry at some point

[pastel pasture]

I just found out therees a pulse mod...

[acoustic copper]

whats the pvp meta rn?

[shy willow]

Logging off

[bronze hound]

lol

[rich cosmos]

Hows the gun

[bronze hound]

pretty garbo lol

[rich cosmos]

Good to know, now I don’t have to play descent

I’ll use it if they revert the nerf

[magic pilot]

You can buy it for 350 credits

[rich cosmos]

I do not like descent

[bronze hound]

no reconstructed caches for u

[rich cosmos]

I honestly don’t care I genuinely do not like the mode

[tawdry flare]

Already got one with dttoc on first purchase

[tawdry flare]

It's not the talent is Garbo it's the mechanic being Garbo

[hexed steppe]

@vestal ibex did a little adjusting for extra wh on my hh hotshot. im at 107 stability, but added bonus, i use elmo as a backup and all its wh is at around 80% with the same 107 stability. thing has zero recoil now 😆 (3 mags pictured)

[vestal ibex]

wat is this picture lol?

[tawdry flare]

His aim

[vestal ibex]

Oh that's him shooting the wall ahhh

[glossy scarab]

the wall had it coming

[vestal ibex]

So just pew pew no mouse involvement I guess?

[glossy scarab]

i think hes saying each of those three dots are the spread of a whole mag of how many i dunno

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking.

[tawdry flare]

That's what he said

[vestal ibex]

THAT'S NOT PC

[magic pilot]

Lol it's not pc

I'll come back to pc once I'm done playing ready or not, I don't have enough storage lmao

[tawdry flare]

Come to PC and enjoy the real game

[hexed steppe]

yeah was just looking at recoil. still a little side to side at range but its almost nothing

[hexed steppe]

yeah full 70 mags in each

[vestal ibex]

Apparently side to side recoil doesn't get changed at all.

[magic pilot]

I was for awhile, got Ouro before shd 50

[vestal ibex]

You'll always have it regardless of bonuses.

[hexed steppe]

first was right on top if it, this is on the opposite wall. yeah no fix other than keeping mouse on target

[mighty forum]

Any info on 6 Skill Tier Striker? Or is it a meme?

[hexed steppe]

but it does feel good on the sniper too with the wh/stability

[vestal ibex]

You are correcting that with mouse?

[ancient dune]

even the 1886 can have 0 recoil if you stack enough stability bonuses

just need to get a bit silly

[hexed steppe]

no correcting

[ancient dune]

this one was at +230% stability I think

[vestal ibex]

I notice the side to side really bad on the D50 still

[ancient dune]

the diamondback kick becomes almost nothing

[pastel pasture]

is behind you only 15%? or 40?

[vestal ibex]

Thought it was 15% normie and 20% perfect

[ancient dune]

ya it is

[magic pilot]

Yep

The wording was changed

[vestal ibex]

idk my mouse is cooked. Right click is spotty on clicks, I'll aim and un aim like 6 times in a second. Didn't play the update yesterday but no stutters or issues with my game at all.

[ancient dune]

can also confirm that swap speed is definitely fixed lmao

[vestal ibex]

It's high noon

[magic pilot]

Fast hands is bugged rn

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

Reloading as a whole is bugged rb swapping forces you to reload +1 extra bullet infinite time with rock n roll you can Just waste 10 ammo on swap pummel bugs out too

[snow dome]

Anyone knows what this means?

[vestal ibex]

DTA on assault rifles is limited to 6% and caps special 12% can't be optimized.

It's an oversight with the system and idk what they'll do to correct it.

[snow dome]

Oh so if I reconfigured it again it would have to randomly be @ 12 and I would have to depend on the RNG to drop DTOOC?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah. Probably just gonna have to wait out to see what they come up with. I doubt they'd want us to use a god rolled cap to put a stat in the library.

[snow dome]

Damn lol alright thanks

[void yarrow]

Tryna make a shield smg build but feel like its turned into a dps smg with a shield lol

[magic pilot]

W build?

[clear wagon]

does anyone know if you can get the "behind you" talent in ur library?

[sullen sun]

Idk but I do know it doesn’t work in PvP..

[clear wagon]

i'm just curious cause I saw a striker dps build and they had the famas with the behind you talent and i have the entire build but that talent

[sullen sun]

You should be able to add it to the library

[solar sable]

I recently extracted that talent, don't remember exactly but ig its from MMR's

[clear wagon]

oh i just checked the patch notes. looks like its only for mmrs and rifles

[narrow tulip]

Real

[void yarrow]

what should i change

[narrow tulip]

DO NOT ASK ME

[void yarrow]

lmaoooooo

[narrow tulip]

IM NOT ALLOWED TO DO BUILDS

[void yarrow]

why not lmao

[final orchid]

You really asked that guy

on tips for your build

[narrow tulip]

Lmfao

[final orchid]

wtf idk why it replied to a old message ooops

[void yarrow]

lol

[narrow tulip]

Running with tsunami instead of lefty

Will have to see how it acts in countdown

[void yarrow]

im just tryna figure out where my dps went lmao i can barely do hard\

ik i do need to switch knee pads

[narrow tulip]

Thoughts on build?

[void yarrow]

the only difference i see between ours is guns mask and knees but i have more armor and health

oh and skills

[tulip charm]

Dont run striker chest. Run Ceska or Groupo chest with Obliterate and get Coyote mask.

[void yarrow]

same with me?

[tulip charm]

Also an acs-12

Yeah

[void yarrow]

how do i get the mask?

[tulip charm]

Exotic mask

[void yarrow]

i got like 55 hours in game lol

[tulip charm]

Target farm mask in countdown

[void yarrow]

what about knee pads?

[tulip charm]

Terrible

[void yarrow]

trade with striker knees?

[tulip charm]

Replace with striker

[void yarrow]

okay

damage or armor?

[shy willow]

You can run 2-3 blues if you realllyyy need them

[tulip charm]

Personally I wouldn’t run armor cores but If you need it run a 2-3 cores

[shy willow]

Otherwise go all red

[void yarrow]

reds got it

[tawdry flare]

Ping out of nowhere and without contexts

[void yarrow]

?

good?

[shy willow]

It'll do

[void yarrow]

rip dont have another chest

[shy willow]

Replace the striker chest with ceska obliterate

And make sure you have everything with crit chance and damage attributes

Crit chance up to 50, rest dump into crit damage

[shy willow]

Do you have crit chance mods on your dark winter?

[void yarrow]

16.5%

[shy willow]

Mods as in attachments

[void yarrow]

ive been farming striker gear in NY tryna get all my pieces god rolled weapon damage so i can put crit chance on them

but so far no luck

okay im at 50.8 crit chance

[shy willow]

Nicee

Now try to get as much crit damage as possible without losing crit chance

[void yarrow]

still 37 crit damage tho

i need to find more mods

mor of these would be great lol

[shy willow]

Replace your sokolov mask with coyotes

[void yarrow]

yeah i need to find it

boom just pulled a mask i can rip 12% crit damage off of

[final orchid]

What gearset to run with white death and determined

[final orchid]

Yea sorry no idea how i replied to your random message

[bitter egret]

@void yarrow :If you don't have Coyote, use a Ceskă Viroba mask

[white halo]

returning player here, i never got the FI chest piece from the raid can i farm the chest piece of fi in open world or freom raid only still?

[shy willow]

Ayy

[shy willow]

Nope raid gearsets are in the general loot pool now; go ham 🙂

[void yarrow]

50.8 chance 57.9 damage now

plus Perfect Killer on my main gun

[white halo]

omg finally yes

[void yarrow]

so 107.9 crit damage

[white halo]

i also noticed in the doc for builds the raid dps and genreal dps is there a differenve or not reall?

[shy willow]

Raid dps I think incorporates glass cannon and vigilance on a high end build

Instead of being based around a stacking DPS set

Imo it doesn't matter which you use tbh

You just go down easier with pgc

[white halo]

ah ok beauty

[flint wave]

I hate glass cannon

[shy willow]

Idk why TSW insists on it

[flint wave]

who dat

[white halo]

i just retuerned to the game and i dont wanna make 40000 loadouts 😂

[flint wave]

nvm I remember

[shy willow]

They strictly forbid strikers for some odd reason

[void yarrow]

would summit work to grind the chest piece and mask?

[final orchid]

matchmake countdown on challenging

target loot the mask

[white halo]

whats a gear set thats good solo play? is it still hunters fury ?

[void yarrow]

idk if id survive that

[void yarrow]

pfft i only ran a striker build in D1 lol

[white halo]

is intimidate good again??

[tardy wasp]

how is this build guys, returning player after season 1

[flint wave]

looks like you just came out of NYC

(It stinks)

there's nothing going on here

[tardy wasp]

i got few exotics but they are old

three specialisations maxed

[flint wave]

do you have new york dlc?

that's where everyone is at

[tardy wasp]

not sure how do i find out, if i got that

[flint wave]

pause then store then add ons and it's called warlords of newyork

[tardy wasp]

i think i do i can see that on top

is it like dark zone, or new incursions and raids ?

[flint wave]

no dark zones in nyc

[void yarrow]

Division 1 map

[tardy wasp]

ah that's cheaky

mvp ?

[flint wave]

it's an atleast 4 hour long story expansion and after completing the campaign you enter the real endgame

[void yarrow]

itll give you a set better then what you go just for going there lol

your lvl 30 rn going there is 30 to 40

[tardy wasp]

so it looks like game devs made it benefitional for people who are paying for it ?

[final orchid]

its an expansion

[void yarrow]

^^

[flint wave]

The game might as well require you to buy warlords it has so much of the game at this point

[tardy wasp]

so there are multiple exapansions

[flint wave]

no

[tardy wasp]

fair enough

[final orchid]

one expansion that brings you from 30-40 and endgame content

[void yarrow]

no more gear score

[tardy wasp]

gotcha

[void yarrow]

if you want i can run you through it

[tardy wasp]

yeah sure

[void yarrow]

make it go quicker

[tardy wasp]

that would be great mate

[void yarrow]

ubisoft is same as discord

[tardy wasp]

how do we use vc on server, when i left there used to be so many voice channels

[void yarrow]

not sure

[tardy wasp]

how do you guys join groups after looking for LFG, earlier there were voice channels on this server when game launched

[void yarrow]

you can add me on discord if youd like

[tardy wasp]

just added you

[blissful rampart]

Voice chats were removed, see #discord-news

[errant lintel]

best way to far maxroll gear

cux i feel like i should be doing more damage

[flint wave]

Replacing unbreakable for obliterate and grupo for ceska(especially at low shd watch) is the biggest improvement you can do for damage

if ur in content like countdown or legendary striker chest is an even bigger one

[errant lintel]

havent tried it yet just came back

what dose cheska do

[rocky rain]

What is the added benefit of a 3-piece brand set versus 3 individual pieces with the desired characteristics?

[shy willow]

It's not as blatantly broken in this game but it's still blatantly broken

[patent elm]

Why would there be one? There are just 3pc Boni that are very unique /high and you couldn't get them anywhere else

[void yarrow]

yeah lmao

[shy willow]

Balancing nightmare that set is

[void yarrow]

ammo is a problem lmao

[shy willow]

1 piece bonus gives 10 percent crit chance

[void yarrow]

1380 RPM goes through 47 rounds pretty quick lmao

[shy willow]

The only times you'll have trouble with ammo is with ouro tbh

Or any high rpm smg

[void yarrow]

the vector lol

[tawdry flare]

I guess with Oreo it is possible that reload<=time to empty

[flint wave]

acs too

[shy willow]

Ah yeah the acs destroys ammo economy

[flint wave]

acs was not built for only having 150 rounds

[shy willow]

You get like 8 mags and it burns through insanely fast

[flint wave]

rock and roll is even worse

[tawdry flare]

Yeah the new big is insane you start with 20 ammo on rock n roll you reload to 30 than

[flint wave]

yeah wtf is that bug

chambered ammo inside guns dissappear on swap

Apparently the 10 shots in rnr= chambered ammo

[digital cypress]

Found a Palisade mask with max rolled CHC and Skill repair, slapped a red core on it and am considering using it in place of my Coyote mask on my solo Heroic Striker build. Actually heals up quite nice with the fixer drone + whipping out the Kard custom sidearm, and the 20% AoK from Palisade+Gunner is surprisingly useful compared to the 10% just from Gunner.

I’d rather just a proper Palisade mask with CHC and CHD, but the skill repair is shockingly useful so far

[ancient dune]

Maybe an anticheat measure gone wrong

[flint wave]

project devolve

I'm just using strained acs in the meantime

[shy willow]

Project dissolve

[rocky rain]

can someone explain to me chd vs chc vs wd? I know chc is max 60%, are chd and wp also capped?

[shy willow]

CHC- chance to crit
Chd- multiplier on your damage

Idk what wp is

Chd is not capped but there's only so much you can have

[rocky rain]

ok, am i correct chc is the chance a single bullet kills the enemy?

[shy willow]

Nope

Chance to crit and do extra damage based on your crit damage

[rocky rain]

thanks! i thought wp is added to the base dmg of the weapon. still confused what chc actually is.

[ancient dune]

No stat is capped apart from CHC

[shy willow]

What do you mean by WP

[rocky rain]

wp = weapon damage

[ancient dune]

Think they mean wd

[rocky rain]

sorry

[shy willow]

Ah

[ancient dune]

It's just extra damage on every shot, like damage = base * (1+WD)

[shy willow]

As reck said only CHC out of those is capped

[rocky rain]

let me rephrase: chc and chd go side-by-side and amplify each other, that I get. WD amplifies base weapin dmg. What now differs between CHC/CHD and WD?

And on which of the 3 should I focus?

[ancient dune]

A small part of the damage formula goes something like this:
damage = base * (1+WD) * (1+CHD+HSD)

The CHD only applies on a crit, depending on your crit chance

So you can see they're separate multipliers that multiply against each other

You can only get WD from your core attributes (red/blue/yellow main cores) so they don't really conflict with getting crit attributes

[rich lotus]

WD = Base damage no requirements
CHC = Increases the chances of CHD hits (capped at 60)
CHD = Increases damages of CH shots

It really highly depends on what kind of build you're making

[shy willow]

Ohhh no wonder crit headshots don't do that much more damage

[rocky rain]

OK, so all my gear should have at least WD as an attribute and the 2nd attribute either goes to CHC or CHD?

[ancient dune]

Generally that's what people aim for ye

[rich lotus]

CHC until cap limit and then all on chd

But some people like myself like to stay around 50-55

[rocky rain]

As prior to WD?

[rich lotus]

Depends on your build again

[cedar tapir]

Is the google sheet with weapon dmg stats updated?

[hazy steeple]

In the process, not finished yet.

[rich lotus]

WD over armor will result in you being a squishy thingy

[solar sable]

ik it's not the best, I'm low level so this is what I got, I really need some suggestions about builds...

[rich lotus]

Honestly scorpio at your level is not that bad

[hazy steeple]

It's actually getting there, you just have a few gear choices that you need to tweak and maybe change a gun and you have a meta Striker build.

[solar sable]

its not the max scorpio tho, but helps a lot

[shy willow]

The gun itself is very very good

[solar sable]

Ohhh, thank you :D

[rich lotus]

Although you have i do not recommend it on a striker unless you're mainly using it for the status

[shy willow]

Will help you massively with hunters and such

[rich lotus]

Thats true

[rich lotus]

Is any of the pieces maxed?

Or like 90%

[hazy steeple]

Striker's gun choices are fairly narrow, it's not really a "use any gun" kinda build.

scorpio doesn't really have a place on it.

[solar sable]

Gloves and Kneepads only

[rich lotus]

Well there's a lot of ways you could get a lot of efficiency out of strikers from what you got there already

[shy willow]

It'll certainly work for now but yeah probably better off trading the exotic slot for Elmo or ouro and running lefty

[hazy steeple]

Having pieces "maxed" absolutely does not matter when you likely have subpar stats on a fair few of them.
e.g. you need 4 pieces of Striker to make the build work, 3 will do nothing.
you also need to know whether it's going to be used against Incursion/Legendary(sometimes countdown) enemies or just regular game ones

[solar sable]

I've been struggling to get a Lefty, hasn't dropped in countdown for like 30 rounds with targeted loot

[shy willow]

Any acs will work, ideally with a good talent

[rich lotus]

Strikers + Coyotes + Fox's Prayer/Contractor's Gloves
Strikers + Memento + Picaro's
Or any other combination really

But what I would recommend you to focus rn is getting a famas with measured

It's life changing for striker

[solar sable]

Imma get on it

[rich lotus]

And acs like naval mentioned

[solar sable]

Thank y'all so much :D

[void yarrow]

@shy willowkeep or find another?

[rich lotus]

Another imo

[shy willow]

Another

[void yarrow]

thought so lol

ok so for the watch is ammo capacity how much ammo i carry or mag cap?

[rich lotus]

carry

[shy willow]

Reserves

[rich lotus]

I find it that investing on reload speed is better before ammo capac

[void yarrow]

im 35 into accuracy lol

[shy willow]

^ moar deepee-ess

[rich lotus]

Accuracy is also fine

[void yarrow]

should i just finish it up or start putting into reload also?

[rich lotus]

The more the better right right

[rich lotus]

Well depends on what guns you are using too tbh

[void yarrow]

Dark Winter

[shy willow]

Yep haha

It'll do for now but I suggest trying to get an Elmo or a good high end assault rifle

[rich lotus]

Then it should be fine for now

[void yarrow]

me?

[shy willow]

Yep

[void yarrow]

ive been running ar and smg but maining the smg cause of deletion of people

enemies just kinda fall over lol

[rich lotus]

Wait until you see a striker ouro user

That 1700 rpm goes nutty

I even swapped off my named acs for it since it almost farms stacks as fast

Ouro + famas lol

[void yarrow]

bruh what

im farming chest pieces and pulled a capacitor some how lmaoo

[rich lotus]

Welp step ahead of getting a skill build up and running

Although I refuse to ever make one lol

[void yarrow]

same

its tank or dps lmao

[rich lotus]

I have like, a few variations for dps and a support

I'll make a tank soon but been to lazy to grind div2 ngl

[void yarrow]

i miss my 3m armor shield build

[ancient dune]

you can just run it as a dps weapon

it pumps

[rich lotus]

Peak tank was div1 D3 build oh how I miss it lol

[rich lotus]

Didn't they buff it recently?

[ancient dune]

yea it's pretty good

[rich lotus]

Idk how much of a buff it was but it's causing people to lose it

[void yarrow]

@shy willow

keep?

[shy willow]

What talent does it have

[void yarrow]

Kinetic momentum

[shy willow]

Keep it for now until you get a better one

Roll off kinetic momentum for obliterate

[void yarrow]

okie

ooff o dont have obliterate lmao

so we at 60% CC amd 77.1% CD

[hazy steeple]

Okay that CHD is wayyyyyy too low.
remove a chc stat and see what your chc is at, because the hard cap is 60% it's quite easy to go over it and not realise.

[void yarrow]

yeah im still trying to build it

okay so 56.2% chc and 86.9% chd

[hazy steeple]

Okay that's still too low for the CHD but your CHC is pretty good depending on the setup.

don't forget that eventually you'll get +20CHD and +10ChC from the SHD Watch.

[void yarrow]

yeah this is a rough build rn

[hexed steppe]

It'll get better as better pieces are farmed as well.
Grupo /coyote mask will be good over sokolov

[void yarrow]

yeah i need to find a coyote mask i just dont know where to get it

[hexed steppe]

Countdown mask target and buy exo caches with the cd credits

[hazy steeple]

^just make sure you play it on Challenging.

[void yarrow]

whats that?

i just got back into the game today lol been almost a year

[hazy steeple]

Challenging is a difficulty, the equivelant to a Lvl 3 Control Point (CP)
(challenging and higher difficulties only lets enemies drop gold/gearset/exotic loot, so no more purples)

[sullen night]

Most popular/efficient game mode to farm for gear

[hexed steppe]

Countdown is a short timed mission with a lot of loot

8man

[void yarrow]

i thought summit was?

[hazy steeple]

Countdown averages about 50 pieces of loot per run, so make sure you have plenty of room.

[sullen night]

Summit was before Countdown existed

I personally prefer Summit still because I find it heaps more enjoyable, but there is no denying of Countdown's efficiency

[hexed steppe]

Countdown matches are around 15 mins.
2 challenging runs will give you credits to buy a exotic cache. Exo every 30mins + whatever drops during the run. It's kinda most efficient loot farm atm

[sullen night]

To add insult to injury I even got my godroll high end chest from it while just doing a testrun and not liking it 😄

[void yarrow]

where do i buy caches?

[sullen night]

There is a countdown vendor terminal in the boo

just head right when you spawn in

[hexed steppe]

Next to the chopper in dc

[void yarrow]

how long are the queues?

[sullen night]

The 2 times I played it was pretty much instantly, just depends how long the group leader needs to press start 😬

[main socket]

Any updated builds I can use

[sullen night]

Pretty much all the builds in the spreadsheet should be good

[main socket]

Where can I find the spreadsheet

[sullen night]

in pins

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/

I tried alot of stuff when I returned and ultimately settled on a Hunter's Fury build and I totally love it

[void yarrow]

@sullen nightwhere do i find countdown?

wait is it the power plant

[sullen night]

yea

Top right on the map

Can't actually remember if you somehow need to unlock it 🤔 But wouldn't think so

[void yarrow]

got a group lol

[sullen night]

👍

[void yarrow]

lets see how long it takes for them to start

[sullen night]

90% of Countdown is running around and trying to scoop up loot in my experience, at least in Challenging 😄

[void yarrow]

if they start it lmao

ah finally

[void yarrow]

this game hates me lol Imperial Dynasty exo from my first crate

[solar sable]

could be worse lol

[void yarrow]

whats worse then that lmao

[solar sable]

opening 2 exotic crates and be rewarded with two diamondback's

[void yarrow]

oof

nah im going to bed lmao its 3am this game is to addicting

[unique bloom]

Looking for advice on a good damage build.. my current build is true patriot atm

[shy willow]

Strikers

[drifting panther]

@shy willow build works well as intended

[shy willow]

[rich cosmos]

Strikers, umbra, or even just a high end brand set

[drifting cargo]

im currently checking gear spready sheet which one more updated

tu15 or y5 s2 ?

[shy willow]

Y5 s2

[shy willow]

Press the optimise button

[fleet stump]

how should i know what material i need?

[shy willow]

^

[magic pilot]

It's steel titanium and credits @fleet stump

Oh that's recaling

[vestal ibex]

It's a bug.

[magic pilot]

Feature

[livid bridge]

this isnt skyrim. its a bug

[hexed steppe]

the way div2 is, itll be a feature for a long while. now if it had to do with players getting something cheap or free it would get a patch within hours

[blissful sphinx]

u cant optimise all 3 slots?

do u have to just straight up toll the 2 max then have the 3rd to optimise?

[hexed steppe]

you need the attribute in your library to be able to optimize it. youll also be limited in how much you can optimize a specific stat to the max level you have in your library

[hexed steppe]

NGL, really liking the extra handling/stability.

[vestal ibex]

The damage trade of is minor for what you get imo. I do suggest it because damage usually isn't the issue but this helps you deal that damage quicker and with more precision.

[hexed steppe]

was still hitting around 29m at expertise 20. added the last 5% so not sure what the top end will be but i suspect maybe 30m or just under

[magic pilot]

How are you getting more handling out of it?

Speaking of handling lmao

[vestal ibex]

THAT BLOOM OMG LOL

[magic pilot]

Did you see the bullet hit the floor🤣

[vestal ibex]

It's all the way by the armor bars lol

[magic pilot]

Look by vigi

I just wanna say I did kill nemesis with that🤣

[flint wave]

It's about time

[magic pilot]

What gun is that?

[onyx sage]

m700 tactical

[vestal ibex]

Not even the highest damage in the family either.

[hexed steppe]

It got an extra mod slot tho. I'm good with that

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's not like you aren't gonna 1 shot picking either.

[tidal sierra]

Just getting back into this game. Looking at builds I know I want to run hotshot for MMR because that's about all I play. Is it better to run Determined or can Dread Edict be viable with hotshot? Maybe run both? Or should a close range weapon be in my second slot?

[hexed steppe]

Handling rolls on gear and stability mods

[magic pilot]

Ahhh

[hexed steppe]

Go determined or optimist on a hard hitting mmr with headhunter. Can use dread but it wont consistently proc headhunter. Could work as a crit style setup probably

[magic pilot]

I have 71/76 on mine how did you get so high on stability?

[obsidian sigil]

Do weapon talents like "Ranger" only apply to the weapon its on?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[obsidian sigil]

Thanks!

[tidal sierra]

Idk if it makes a difference but I do play mouse and keyboard and can hit headshots 99% of the time. Appreciate the info though. ☺️

[hexed steppe]

I used the 20% stability muzzle and just rolls on the gear. I can tell you how many rolls later but I think its 4 total rolls

[magic pilot]

Ohhhh that's why

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but HH is an alpha damage talent. You kill a target you keep buffs, dread doesn't always meet that threshold because of it's lower damage per shot so you'll be in and out of that buff making head hunters not really work.

I'm not sure what a full HH stacked dread would even hit for.

[magic pilot]

Accuracy muzzle and sight, reload speed mag

[magic pilot]

Not enough to keep it up constantly I tried

[vestal ibex]

THAT'S NOT PC

[flint wave]

duh

pc crashes too much so console better for the meantime

[magic pilot]

Bro🤣

[onyx sage]

dread is best in a crit setup

[tidal sierra]

Also, does it make sense to be healer/support for a team as a MMR user? Just throw hive heals or drone armor to my teammates pushed up? Ive mainly played solo so far but want to do harder content soon.

[onyx sage]

not really, you want to dedicate yourself to your own role

[vestal ibex]

Healing and support is left best to those roles, the closest to support you get is spotter drone.

[flint wave]

future perfect sniper🗿

[onyx sage]

if you want to heal, use a dedicated healer build; if you want to do damage, use a build suited for that

[magic pilot]

IKia has a mmr healer build

[vestal ibex]

I mean at this point you probably could swap reds for skill...

As long as you can still hit breakpoints and don't struggle.

[onyx sage]

you can have a 6 red 6 st mmr build last i checked

it's all future perfect

[tidal sierra]

Hmm....I'll have to do some testing then.

[vestal ibex]

I do wonder how many cores you could trade and still do 4 man legendary.

[flint wave]

alot of skills are still trash if it's just skill tiers powering them I find

Like turret drone don't get much better

[vestal ibex]

If I were sniper/skill I'd use decoy and spotter drone I guess?

[flint wave]

probably

[onyx sage]

we can probably sacrifice one or two with the buffed mmrs, probably more with expertise

we can go even further with m870 tho

[flint wave]

snipers should run decoy and spotter drone by default

[vestal ibex]

idk even know what skill increases does to the spotter drone.

[magic pilot]

I can't find his headshot healer but it was in a video he made

[onyx sage]

i don't use spotter drone

[flint wave]

unlike the pulse. skill tiers increase spotter drone pulse range

[vestal ibex]

That's lame, it's already huge.

[flint wave]

It's less range then pulse iirc

[onyx sage]

i hate that it doesn't have 100% uptime. if i paid for the drone for its uptime i better expect more pulse uptime

[flint wave]

incursion tanker is barely enough size for spotter drone to see everything

The range is noticeable in countdown rooms

[vestal ibex]

Spotter drone is basically ESP tho.

[flint wave]

yeah the drone is useful too bad it's locked to sharpshooter

[vestal ibex]

They have a red line and small indicator the instant they spawn.

Just a thought anyway, probably wouldn't pay off farming and optimizing items just for a lol even.

[magic pilot]

All you need is handling/hsd brazos and a picaros with headshot to roll yellow and tech class with future on your sniper

Nvm it has to be chest and bp

Or 3 hotshot 2 brazos chainkiller

[flint wave]

🤢

[onyx sage]

ninjabike enthusiasts in shambles

[flint wave]

ninjabike users when I tell them to use 2 pieces of the same brand

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna get a brazos bp now

[vapid bobcat]

Hey guys anyone out here uses striker build but skill tier core?

[onyx sage]

what questions do you have about it?

[vestal ibex]

Will your gun do more damage than your skills? YES
Would you have wasted time building it just to do less damage? YES

[magic pilot]

Striker healer

[vapid bobcat]

Gonna tell my bro about it. Told him to stay red but hes like imma try it and im like ill leave u if ull bring that build lol

But whats a good skill build? Ill recommend it to him if hes looking for skill

[onyx sage]

support builds using skills yes there are very strong ones, but damaging skill builds not really

[flint wave]

skill dps hybrids using dps gearsets are a waste of time imo

use high end

[vapid bobcat]

Okay ill take suggestions bro elmo

[flint wave]

[hexed steppe]

Look at mortar on the pinned spreadsheet. Top tier skill build

[vapid bobcat]

Sure okay ty!

[vestal ibex]

There are two good damage skill builds imo, EP fire and explosive mortar/seeker. EP fire is very easy to build and it's very interactive and fun for me. The explosive one is good too but idk I just don't personally like the play style of it.

[vapid bobcat]

Okay ill look into it too

[flint wave]

Ep fire is good until you encounter robotics

[vapid bobcat]

Ty!

[flint wave]

or chunga

[onyx sage]

that's why we use pyromaniac

[hexed steppe]

When set proper mortar can hit 8-10mil per mortar

[vestal ibex]

Idk cap is really strong and you can always use primers to kill them with fire if you want.

[hexed steppe]

Also really low cooldown

[vapid bobcat]

Told my bro to stick with his striker but hes kinda burnout i guess so looking for something new to make lol

[hexed steppe]

Talk him into btsu gloves and hive and he can overcharge/refresh your skills as well

[vestal ibex]

Strikers does get boring tho. It's good but idk kinda boring after a while.

[flint wave]

if strikers gets boring then dps gets boring

[onyx sage]

tell him to play headhunter 👍

[hexed steppe]

Unicorns not necessary. 3 empress 2 wyvern china works great and easy to farm

[flint wave]

only negotiator really plays differently from striker in dps department

[vestal ibex]

Bro I would suggest regulus HHF 1000%, it's the most fun and rewarding op build ever.

[onyx sage]

headhunter is life, tell him to play headhunter

[vapid bobcat]

I saved this nice ty

[flint wave]

waiting for my regulus to come in the mail

[vestal ibex]

Stuck on the train.

[onyx sage]

bro is waiting for regulus blueprint from descent

[magic pilot]

Well I got hollowman bp

[flint wave]

How to glitch regicide talent out of descent?

🥺 ⠀

[onyx sage]

i can actually see them making a tuned down version for high ends, considering they made mantis talent equivalent tbh

[magic pilot]

I got hunter killer bp too🤣

[onyx sage]

the explosion damage can be nerfed to oblivion, i just want the stagger

[flint wave]

I'd rather them just make the other pistols have even comparable single shot damage to regulus

[onyx sage]

which they might

[signal siren]

My healer build uses FI, with those gloves, healing hive and healing chem launcher!

[onyx sage]

@vapid bobcat but yeah if your brother hasn't tried sniping or headhunter in general yet, tell him to definitely try

[signal siren]

I run all content on heroic and legendary with that build, hella fun if ur into straight heals

[hexed steppe]

Its great team utility. I usually mm and with alot running dps/revive, it's nice being able to kill those cooldowns

[flint wave]

reviver hive users 🛌

[signal siren]

Ahh yeah true true lol, my main weapon is the scorpion exotic shotty with my heal build

[hexed steppe]

They're everywhere, and they go on cooldown a lot 😂

[flint wave]

it was funny when people ran reviver hive on cool skills

[flint wave]

nice

[blissful sphinx]

will this be overkill chc? ill have +15 with this taking it to 60 chc

and is it even worth swapping for this? imo this chest would be betteer than that or am i wrong

[magic pilot]

You are wrong

[flint wave]

If it's overkill just trade off crit chancw mods/attributes for crit damage

simple

[blissful sphinx]

1 more thing why cant i extract the oblit

[tepid flume]

So how impactful do we think that Aegis will be on tank builds?

[flint wave]

no impact

[blissful sphinx]

@flint wave

[flint wave]

you already have it in the library

if not then idk

I was able to extract talents yesterday just fine

[blissful sphinx]

im trying to put it on this but have no option to

[bright raptor]

you don't have the materials to transfer it over

you already have the talent in your library, the problem is you don't have the crafting materials to transfer

[blissful sphinx]

pre sure i do

[bright raptor]

that's not what the screen says though

[blissful sphinx]

why doesnt it fucking show what u need now

[bright raptor]

press V

[blissful sphinx]

it shows general resources

not specific to upgrade or transf

[bright raptor]

well as you can see nobody outside the dev team is entirely sure why tinkering was considered a must-have change

[blissful sphinx]

pressing x does it apparwently

(it does nothing)

[patent fossil]

question for experts regarding MMRs: everyone's been raving about the M700 Carbon, but it looks like the SR-1 has higher damage, ROF and stability while keeping the advantages of decent mag size and full mag reload.

feel like I'm missing something but I'm not sure what

[vestal ibex]

Use which ever. Doesn't matter in a proper MMR HH build.

[blissful sphinx]

any idea @vestal ibex

[patent fossil]

gotta min-max!

[pastel pasture]

wats a proper mmr build? 3 piece or 4piece hotshot?

[vestal ibex]

Use nemesis then.

[vestal ibex]

Tinker system is buggy and I haven't used it.

[bright raptor]

4 is easier to assemble, 3 is a decision on whether slightly better stats are better than the Hotshot gearset benefits

[vestal ibex]

Either or.

[magic pilot]

If you have god tier aim 4 piece hotshot

[pastel pasture]

isnt 3 piece for better upfront dmg?

[patent fossil]

Ugh no, hate it. More for hitting breakpoints with eg purples in group scaling or whatever

[magic pilot]

4 pc will do more with the buff but it's very inconsistent

[patent fossil]

is the M700 Carbon maybe just a Div1 obsession carrying over then

[pastel pasture]

Im thinking I need the consistent dmg, esp on legendary

[magic pilot]

Protective fabric and one of the the blue resources

Also credits

[tulip charm]

yeah

[pastel pasture]

I just weened myself off determined, so theres no hope unless I hit headshots

[flint wave]

just use determined

[magic pilot]

Booo

Ban this guy

[vestal ibex]

Yes but it usually doesn't matter. If you still hit and kill all the same enemies it's no difference.

[magic pilot]

Solo I use 4pc

[vestal ibex]

That's why MMR HH is super customizable, do whatever you want as long as you still hit breakpoints it doesn't matter.

[magic pilot]

You don't even need vigi in solo heroic to one shot named

[pastel pasture]

Yea i think im not hitting breakpoints, unless i have the nemesis. When dogs/robots show up, im doing like 1mil per shot, which in leg that tickles them lol (4man grouped leg)

[onyx sage]

without HH you'll be struggling of course

[vestal ibex]

Dogs show up in certain rooms and you'll know what wave and all that. Your should be holding HH and dropping it on them if needed

[onyx sage]

you need HH already when you shoot them

[pastel pasture]

ahh so its a matter of target picking then, Im fine on legit everything but the robot units. chungas usually everyone is shooting them

[onyx sage]

yes, target prioritization with HH is a skill

[vestal ibex]

Yeah target priority is huge

[pastel pasture]

ty for the assistance btw! the google docs helped alot

[blissful sphinx]

turns out im braindead

had 3k creds

stats wit obliterate chest do i take some chc off and replace wit chd?

[vestal ibex]

If running coyotes and utilizing mid buff yes. I'd always go 50 or higher. Every time you get this good problem it means you can pick up at most 12% more CHD.

[hidden copper]

Best rolls to get on St Elmo?

[hexed steppe]

damage to targets out of cover

for most weapons thatll be preferable 3rd stat

[blissful sphinx]

not bad if i say so myself

[hexed steppe]

looking good

what are your mods

[blissful sphinx]

all chd

[hexed steppe]

im guessing you have at least 1-2 chc rolls on the striker gear, but as watch comes up just swap them to chd so you maintain 52ish chc.

[hidden copper]

Worth optimizing even with mid rolls?

[hexed steppe]

as it stands itll do work for sure

[hexed steppe]

optimization is really expensive. if you are still getting things together and low shd i wouldnt bother optimizing. youll probably get it to drop quite a few times and get a better one if the rolls are low. you can also try rerolling but if you already have dttooc i would just roll with it till you have a better one to put in its place.. if youre swimming in mats and cost isnt an issue it can be optimized tho

[hidden copper]

I just started a few weeks ago and for some reason I have three St. Elmo's.. One of which has dtooc

[hexed steppe]

you may try rerolling one of the other ones to get the dttooc on it so you dont mess up the current one. you may get lucky with the other rolls and just use the better of the 2

[vestal ibex]

So local people like me and you spend watch points to have and craft optimization mats but if you had to put a time to how long it would take to farm up mats to do one optimization how long would it take? Anyone else who is lower level and farming this pls chime in too cause I don't have a good time/optimization idea when actually farming the items.

[hidden copper]

Thanks for asking a very relevant question 🙂

[hexed steppe]

quite a while i would think. you kinda have to bounce around a bunch of different faction bounties and such. control points for frd. projects. and the costs and sometimes be like 20+ shd or frd iirc. optimization is pretty much the most expensive thing at this point

time would be subjective to how much someone plays tho

i play a lot and anytime i need to do more than a couple optimizations i always have to create some of the weaves or assessments

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but maybe like 45-60 minutes? It would be nice to get some opinions on it because I think it would give newer players an idea how much of a grind it really is.

[hexed steppe]

that week i was doing the other alt and leveling all that stuff i easily went through 3k shd scavenging for stuff

[vestal ibex]

I guess the other way to do it is to make a list of all the activites you'd need to do to get the items and putting an average to complete those activites.

[hexed steppe]

and i already have a good amount of gear, and weapons with expertise already

[vestal ibex]

Yeah a few weeks ago I cleaned up and optimized builds and it took like 2k scav points out of me.

[hexed steppe]

yeah its definitely a time commitment if no scav available. ide really have to look at the total costs in game of an optimization, but im guessing minimum an hour per optimization depending on what is needed. you figure a few cp4 for frd and some bounties for the different assessments.

running time picking up a few other regular mats along the way. if someone is prioritizing stuff like solar farm daily they would probably have an easier time being able to craft some stuff and be able to use any scav available on the shd calibrations

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but solar farm time would still count toward that. I'll ask some people and try to get some opinions.

[pastel pasture]

What does LZ and DZ sstand for when searching a brandset(where to find)

[vestal ibex]

Light zone/dark zone

Some items are softlocked in the DZ but you can get them outside of the DZ in named caches, from certain manhunt things, the final box in the incursion, as well as geting the actual blueprints from descent reconstruction caches.

[pastel pasture]

so if im look for Strategic Alignment backpack, its prop best to just oppen named caches?

[vestal ibex]

It's both so you can just farm TL in countdown for it.

China light and 1-2 countdowns should do it.

[blissful sphinx]

yeah

1-2 pieces have chc

like idk if i optmise or slave for %2 on different pieces for chd

[vestal ibex]

I would NEVER optimize a green gear item unless I was re-rolling the core for some strange build. Strikers you'd want to find items with 15% AWD and freely roll your attribute around.

[blissful sphinx]

awd? something dmg idk lmao

weapon dmg?

[vestal ibex]

all weapon damage. It's what a red core is considered.

[blissful sphinx]

so for this you wouldnt opti just go and slave to get both god roll?

and here would u opti or reroll? but then risk losing dttooc

[vestal ibex]

No you get a perfect roll on core and recal the attribute.

[vestal ibex]

I would leave this as is and farm. Those stats you are missing don't count for as much as you'd think.

[flint wave]

yeah

[blissful sphinx]

so you say and farm. what u mean by that farm the stuff to opti or farm for another drop?

[flint wave]

almost always right rolls > max rolls in this game

[vestal ibex]

Like I'd farm a new glove. Then if you have any other strikers items in the same boat I'd farm them too.

[blissful sphinx]

what would you do after that

am i nearly done with this build or

i dont see what else i can do other than improve rolls

[vestal ibex]

Gear mods, skill mods, then I'd get an ACS and a Lefty, farm up a scorpio, run the incursion(you'll want a striker chest for this) get me an ouro and go brrr.

[blissful sphinx]

i have a scorpio but not good rolls

[vestal ibex]

Now you'd have a perfect farming build to farm all the other builds with.

So while working on farming other build, do you have all your specs unlocked and leveled?

[blissful sphinx]

like gunner and stuff? no

[rich cosmos]

Been loving this build

[vestal ibex]

You want all of your specs maxed out. If you max one out just start on another and get them all done.

[blissful sphinx]

so theoretically i can now go for my dz/conflict build?

[vestal ibex]

Personally I'd passively farm it. Just get the build in mind and as stuff drops favorite and stash it and put it together along side things.

Or just go for it, really up to you.

[blissful sphinx]

So when you say passively farm it, countdown is a 1 drop thing that being a specific set or piece, where are you just passively farming different things? Like bounties and stuff or

[rich cosmos]

Video to go with this, man I really wish more rifles were burst fire

[unique bloom]

Any builds that have good armor and damage?

[rich cosmos]

Striker with blues or memento, heartbreaker

[unique bloom]

Awesome thanks I’ll give that a go

[hearty cloak]

if i wanted to be a chungus with like bullet king and maybe defender drone, would i use like cavelier or aegis or maybe like palisades or something?

[vestal ibex]

You trying to face tank?

[hearty cloak]

pretty much

[vestal ibex]

Good luck.

Sorry lol but yeah there is almost no way you're going to face tank unless you stay at lower difficulties.

Shield builds can let you take a ton of damage but you wont be using a LMG for those.

[tulip charm]

best you can do is pfe and blue cores but reds and purple will eat you alive

[lavish parcel]

hello is there any items with 2 skill tier attributes on it ? (one core, one attributes)

[hexed steppe]

Almost all your high end pieces can have 2 skill attributes and a skill tier.
Gearset pieces can roll 1 skill attribute and 1 skill tier
Technician spec can give a free skill tier
2pc Brazos unlocks a free skilltier
Kard custom has a free skill tier when its held in hand.
One of the new sets has a skilltier bonus iirc.
Memento and ninja bags come with all 3 core types.
Hope that helps

[sullen sun]

Anyone have a Palisades build yet? 😝

[random sigil]

does anyone else have trouble maintaining HB stack? I feel like im using my ACS-12 more than my actual Kingbreaker lol

[onyx sage]

kingbreaker shoots very slowly yeah, if you miss too much you start losing more than you gain stacks

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, I want it to work cause i like HB, but the stack maintainance is kinda nnoying

[hexed steppe]

try a police m4

[tidal valve]

If you didn't have max crit chance and crit damage on your shd watch, I recommend running ceska and grupo first until shd 1000+, I run it and it works perfectly

[random sigil]

How do standard High End Red builds perform in comparison to other red builds like Strikers/HB/ND when you're doing solo content where you dont have super massive tanky enemies?

[hazy steeple]

Still very strong, the "standard red DPS" setup that's listed over in the spreadsheet that's 📌 in this channel is still fantastic.

[wise swallow]

The red DPS builds are more "instant" dmg but lower overall. Striker needs more time to output higher DPS overall

granted stacking isnt all that hard but ya know

[random sigil]

I'm over like trying to maintain stacks of stuff unless i need it in activities like raids or countdown. lol Now striker is definitely much easier to maintain than HB, but still.

[hazy steeple]

That's the big benefit of it over Striker, not having to keep an uptime of stacks.

also you don't have to use a stacking weapon.

[random sigil]

i am using strained/obl in my high end red build, but thats not really a big deal, dont even ahve to think about stacking anything. and Vig backpack. for a liittle survivability, i put on a 2 pc belstone but might take it off if i find myself not dying.

[hazy steeple]

Do try and make the actual build that I mentioned at one point. Takes more effort than a standard strikers since more attributes, but damn if it's not strong.

it's what we used to suggest for the DH raid.

[random sigil]

I also have the standard red also. i just get a little nervous whenever i use glass cannon lol

[vestal ibex]

tbf what they made isn't so bad. Most people just want all damage.

[random sigil]

and, I'd only use it solo, when in a group id switch to all red

[hazy steeple]

Oh sure it's fine, just throwing out the suggestion for a meta but it's already been done so
I actually never bothered using GC on mine, some people just don't click with it.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah you can just run an obliterate chest vs PGC.

[blissful sphinx]

i dont want to sac any other piece

[rain oracle]

@golden fossil I can't post pics in general chat, but this terrible pic is from google lol, a maxed out St Elmo that is also lvl 4 proficiency rank. I think mine is about that dmg number too and I think it's rank 5 currently.

[random sigil]

OH, also, are people still using HF after the update? If so, what weapons/chest/backpack do people use? And, is the Ridgeway chest with wicked/sadist still work well with it? I tried it before, but had a happen of getting surrounded and killed.

[shy willow]

The health on kill nerf didn't really affect it in the slightest

[narrow tulip]

What do I need to change or do?

[shy willow]

You can try Ridgeway's but it's not the best

[shy willow]

Swap your chest to ceska obliterate

And your knees to striker

[narrow tulip]

I’ll have to find it

Ok

[shy willow]

And make sure you have everything with crit chance/damage

[narrow tulip]

I saw someone say coyote mask

How do I get that

[rich cosmos]

Exotic mask, target loot farm for masks, countdown will let you select masks and you get points for the countdown vendor to get exotic caches to also help with getting it

[pastel pasture]

Is the pestillance debuff a status effect in the coding?

[shy willow]

Nope

[rich cosmos]

How much damage would be considered good for a gun like the lvoa-c?

[wise swallow]

a full auto switch

[rich cosmos]

Besides the obvious I mean

Im very much just trying to make the gun itself usable

Without insane recoil

[shy willow]

The lightweight M4 and lvoa are in a rough spot cuz they're literally just assault rifles without the full auto

[narrow tulip]

How do you target farm masks in countdown

[shy willow]

Even have a 50 round mag finger destroyer

[shy willow]

Select masks in the target loot table

Hover over the countdown icon and there will be a prompt on the bottom

[rich cosmos]

It sucks so much because the lvoa is my all time favorite weapon period yet it actively feels like the devs are trying to make sure no one ever uses it

[shy willow]

After div1 they slammed them into the ground lol

[wise swallow]

div 1 PTSD

they made other AR's viable but removing the good AR

[rich cosmos]

After my time using the m16 I really do not understand why more rifles aren’t burst

Its not like its insanely broken compared to other builds

At least there is elmos

I guess that counts

[shy willow]

Elmo uses the lvoa model but is based off the police M4 iirc

[rich cosmos]

Also it sucks that the lightweight m4 is bad because it has a dope skin that you can buy

I think the devs just hate most rifles

Then the good ones are just glorified snipers

[shy willow]

Without a proper gearset, they kinda don't really have a place

M1a is a solid option but only really on high end cuz muh stacks

[vestal ibex]

Burst have an unnecessary amount of recoil in this game.

First thing I thought when I saw that little vid you posted of burst.

[gentle bramble]

Is this still a thing? I got the holster but no regulus so I want to try something with it

[onyx sage]

yes it is still a thing

and it's one of the best builds

[vestal ibex]

Not sure how well it does with D50 tho.

[gentle bramble]

Hrmmm

[vestal ibex]

Just become a M870 god

[onyx sage]

i did go through zoo and capitol without regulus

d50 just barely has enough damage in solo

[vestal ibex]

Numbers I got for a expertise 10 D50.

Build for reference.

[random sigil]

For HF, what weapon types people usually use Shotgun and/or smg? also, which backpack/chest talent?

[narrow tulip]

How good is shocker punch

[gentle bramble]

What’s the mechanic that build works with? Headshots? Use the pistol to make people vulnerable and then use something else?

[onyx sage]

you kill, you gain stacks that give you more damage. every kill you heal for a bit and disorient dudes around the dude you killed in a 5m radius

headhunter gives you really strong damage if you kill with headshots

[void yarrow]

@shy willowshould i reroll it?

[gentle bramble]

So what is the holster providing there because sounds like any hf build. And I’m terrible at head shots

[onyx sage]

dodge city holster?

[rich cosmos]

I got used to the burst fast and as well because of the burst sometimes I would hit headshots I wasn’t going for

[gentle bramble]

Yep

[onyx sage]

you charge your pistol every 30s to do a lot more damage but only for one shot

[gentle bramble]

I’ll have to try that later

[tawdry flare]

2 shots with HH

If you get a headshot kill

[void yarrow]

i think i made it a little better not sure tho?

[shy willow]

Its perfect

Well not exactly

But leave it just optimise the core whenever

[void yarrow]

like 96% lmao

can i optimize it to the 15%?

ive never omtimized gear before

so its looking better?

[shy willow]

Yep you can

[shy willow]

Get obliterate on that chest and youre fine for now

[void yarrow]

still yet to find that skill

[shy willow]

Definitely work on getting everything rolled to crit chance and damage tho

[shy willow]

Target farm chests until you find one

[void yarrow]

scratch that its 100.3% CHD now

[shy willow]

Very nice for your watch level

[shy willow]

Another thing to possibly work on is getting a good AR to replace Cham

And an acs to replace dark winter

[void yarrow]

would this ar be better?

talent is Optimist

[shy willow]

Actually it very well might be

G36 got buffed

Roll off the crit chance for dttooc

[void yarrow]

if i roll it off my CHC would go under 40 with that gun in hand

[hazy steeple]

Make sure the mods on the gun are all CHC and the +20 mag size.

same goes with pretty much all guns on a red build.

[void yarrow]

+20???????

i only have +10

[hazy steeple]

Lol, you'll find it eventually. Should be at Lvl 3 and 4 CP's.

You should focus on farming those out before too long, they have a lot of BP's as rewards, and each completion guarantee gives you 1.

[void yarrow]

any good farming mats routes?

[hazy steeple]

WONY runs once you have like 1.5k+ SHD, but before that there's a loop you can do in the LZ (open world map) in DC, or my favourite: run Countdown and breakdown everything not worth keeping.

[void yarrow]

i was tryna recalibrate something to realize i had no mats lol

ill just keep running countdown for a better CP

[narrow tulip]

I can build it I just need the two holsters

What are your thoughts on shock holster?

The exotic that synergizes with Saint Elmo to do the hundred percent Mellie buff

[sudden fog]

Striker build with memento or with ceska mask and grupo gloves

[magic pilot]

Coyotes mask and ceska chest with obliterate

[narrow tulip]

I’m not seeing as many drops as I got when I first started playing countdown

Did I do something wrong

I’ve been playing on challenging a bunch

[glossy scarab]

its as random as an rng can be

except ur targeted loot has a higher chance to drop i guess

[hollow solstice]

for ouroboros, what gearset can i run? besides strikers?

[glossy scarab]

hunters fury

[hollow solstice]

And how can I apply it’s passive?

[round zinc]

wdym apply its passive

[glossy scarab]

be within 15m of your target i guess

[hollow solstice]

The ouroboros passive of having a status effect applied

[glossy scarab]

you have to reload the weapono while you're under a status effect and it'll give you a mag or a half mag of status bullets

[magic pilot]

Get hit with a status lol

[round zinc]

Throw a flashbang at your own feet NOW

[tawdry flare]

Patched

[hazy steeple]

Ouro is already so strong that the Talent for it is basically useless, just pretend it doesn't have one.
like Elmo.

[glossy scarab]

flashbang is black now?

[magic pilot]

The talent is ridiculous dps

[round zinc]

Pain

[hazy steeple]

If you want to set yourself on fire for a little extra DPS, that is your own issue.

[magic pilot]

EB>Elmo

[hazy steeple]

Not comparing tiers, Prod

[round zinc]

That is certainly a take

[hollow solstice]

and any exotics I should use?

[round zinc]

Eagle burger bad

G36C but worse

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio > ouroboros

[hazy steeple]

It's important to know that Exotics in div2 are not straight upgrades from other items, they're side-grades for the specific build you're using.

[round zinc]

Ouro is there for all your needs.
For something more precise you can use st elmo

And most exotics are cheap gimmicks anyway.
Except chameleon my boi pulling some massive weight

[hollow solstice]

ohh I see

I thought it’s like Destiny 2 where not running a exotic is inting

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio is better than Oreo in dps

[round zinc]

Real

[hazy steeple]

Throwing a brick at an enemy is better for DPS than the Ouro if you're too far away.

[round zinc]

Wrong,nothing does less damage than throwing grenades

[gentle bramble]

Wish I could actually throw a brick in game

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher

[round zinc]

I can still do like 1 mil in 10 shots

Nades cant even pass 1 mil damage at times lol

Like its just THAT low

[onyx sage]

imagine a civilian throwing a brick at you and they proc your osp

[round zinc]

Perfect glass cannon user found

[onyx sage]

more like descent scaling found

[tawdry flare]

And you dial 911

[round zinc]

Why not both

[rich cosmos]

Random question because I need to know, would 3 skill tiers warrant the use of just decoy and blinder firefly

[round zinc]

Im no expert on firefly but t0 decoy is good enough

T3 seems overkill imo

[hazy steeple]

What build are you using 3 skill tiers on?

[glossy scarab]

collector makes cluster grenade blow up multiple elites

[magic pilot]

I just had to throw that in

[rich cosmos]

Firefly ranges on being amazing to worst skill in the game regularly

[magic pilot]

Wrong opinion

[round zinc]

It needs an exotic

[rich cosmos]

No in between

[glossy scarab]

yeah not a good build

[round zinc]

I love doing less damage than g36 with even less accuracy

[rich cosmos]

I wanted to do something goofy with umbra and capacitor

[hazy steeple]

Well you certainly hit the nail on the head with the goofy part.
I say go for it.

[bronze hound]

i might swap to those new exo gloves when i get them to see if i can blindfire snipe everything

[round zinc]

Anyone tried golden bullet umbra ouro

[magic pilot]

That's wrong going off burst and sustained at base stats

[round zinc]

I dont have ouro to try it out i just wanna see how stupid it gets

[bronze hound]

theres no ge on mate

[rich cosmos]

Specifically I want to take it into legendary for taking aggro away, using decoy then blinding when decoy is coming back

[round zinc]

Roll a talent on g36 then

[glossy scarab]

i saw a video of someone test it blindfiring with a merciless and the bullets were hitting the exact same spot every time without being controlled

[bronze hound]

im more concerned why someone was using a merciless unironically

[round zinc]

Its not a st elmo thing where it outdps a lot of ARs even with talents on them

[glossy scarab]

to test the gloves because merciless has such bad recoil

[magic pilot]

Does that get 30k more dps, I'm not sure honestly

[bronze hound]

oh lol

[hazy steeple]

You leave my terrible should've-been-an-AR alone.

[round zinc]

Im genuinely convinced that people who think burger is good is just coping