td2-build-advice

[hollow pasture]

57 is fine

[onyx sage]

math in build advice? color me surprised

[magic pilot]

Running memento and ceska chest makes more sense

[limpid pelican]

no blue core memento is about as good as useless imo

[hollow pasture]

Wouldn't ad rush be better to keep intimidate up
I have ran memento with my HF anyways

[acoustic coral]

the math don't lie - i try my best

[hollow pasture]

I can reroll one HF piece to blue if needed

That's about it tho

[magic pilot]

He has one good roll on his bp anyway

[hollow pasture]

So intimidate memento would be better?

I play as close quarters as you can possibly be anyways with HF

[glossy scarab]

all the stuff memento gives you at max stacks is a major buff

[hollow pasture]

Yea I know it's more so what is the most optimal to keep intimidate up

[glossy scarab]

to me bloodsucker only because i dont have to chase trophies

[hollow pasture]

If I am always playing close and picking up trophies
Might stick with memento

[glossy scarab]

i like using a versatile backpack with HF. with an smg nd shotgun its 35% (amp?) dmg for ten seconds and the cooldown is not functional as far as i can tell

[patent fossil]

memento slightly better for maintaining bonus armor when there aren't enemies nearby (as soon as ad rush drops off your intimidate stacks reset to zero)

memento lets you leave a few trophies to help carry you to the next wave

[onyx sage]

yes versatile is amp

[hollow pasture]

So memento ceska with intimidate or grupo with intimidate

[urban dragon]

Hey guys, where I can get the ninja backpack rn?

[patent fossil]

probably ceska unless you're overcapping on chc with CHD everywhere else

[patent fossil]

anywhere, but target loot backpacks for best chances

[hollow pasture]

Grupo chest rn with memento would be 47 if I rolled handling into chc

[urban dragon]

Ty

[patent fossil]

definitely ceska then

[hollow pasture]

So would rolling a HF piece to blue with memento be good

More bonus armor means more uptime

[glossy scarab]

it would give you bigger bonus armor it does not mean more uptime

[onyx sage]

buffering a few shots

[patent fossil]

it's mostly a matter of taste & gameplay habits, I think I run one blue + memento on my HF, albeit I don't play that build very often

more for the shield though

[glossy scarab]

when i use HF intimidate i always wish i could run faster but i dont want to use lady death

[hollow pasture]

Don't have a ceska chest with a free talent
So guess I'll run the one I posted earlier for now till I find motivation to farm countdown for it

[glossy scarab]

a ceska chest with chc/chd only drops when you arent looking for one

[hollow pasture]

Yea it'll just drop in the open world
From a red bar

[glossy scarab]

yup

[hollow pasture]

Maxed too

And with intimidate already on it

[glossy scarab]

thats how i got a maxed grupo chest and maxed fenris bag

this came from a field proficiency cache

[hollow pasture]

Didn't come with obli on it already?
Scrap it smh

[glossy scarab]

na i wish

but i dont rly need one that i can put armor on since i dont rly pvp

but i guess in that case i would want it to drop with unbreakable

[tawdry flare]

What color is your suprise?

[onyx sage]

surprised

[surreal depot]

chameleon

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon takes the Color of surrounding so it is still suprise @onyx sage am I correct?

[surreal depot]

congratulations

[onyx sage]

Congratulations!

[slate nest]

Congratulations!

[tawdry flare]

Thank you thank you

[hollow pasture]

Why does that abomination exist

[slate nest]

i made it

[hollow pasture]

How much did he pay you

Should've charged him 511 euros /dollars

[onyx sage]

this is too high effort

[frozen pine]

hey every1,
i got some struggle with the game because i return to this game after few years..
and i got not the great gear rn.. my shd is 135 (i guess its from that btw)

any suggestions?

div2 its so strange not like div1 ;d

[weary pier]

memento or vigilance bag

also is the vector with optimist or Lady death better

[urban latch]

Take a look at the Google doc that's pinned here. A bunch of info including a bunch of build guides

[frozen pine]

i saw one on youtube.. but beacuse my score is low (132) its tough to get a good gear

there is any spot? mission that better ?

[urban latch]

Vast majority of YouTube builds, especially the top result ones are generally quite bad.

Your best activity to farm gear is to matchmake countdown on challenging difficulty

[frozen pine]

thats i know.
i search something that look simillar to my div1 build

[bright raptor]

assemble "basic" build with less-than-perfect rolls with open world or Summit, then go to Countdown to perfect it

eg all red 4pc Striker, Ceska and Sombra

[vestal ibex]

Div 1 and 2 are different games. If you want a build like Div 1 you might as well play Div 1.

[bright raptor]

gearsets work very differently from Div 1 due to the balance issues in Div 1

eg instead of Classified Striker giving you healing on hit, Heartbreaker gives you bonus armor that can't be refreshed without losing stacks, and is also armor core rolled, but can be rerolled to red

[frozen pine]

on div1 i had 6 builds.. iand i used alpha gear
here im gonna do something like 4 peace of hunter , exotic bag and 1 gold vest gear

from what i saw its look good with a great stats

but need to get the better version of this item beacuse my shd low

[bright raptor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing get a "basic" version of the Hunter

*Hunters's Fury build in the hub tab, then once you have the 4 Hunter's pieces you can start doing Countdown for better stat roll versions

[frozen pine]

just the holster missing

[vestal ibex]

Hunters is a good set but it requires more knowledge of spawns and how to utilize cover as you need to be close to reap the benefits of the set. If being up close and personal suits you, you'll love it tho.

[tawdry flare]

Not really tbh

[shy willow]

They took all the good shit in div1

Massacred it

Then chopped it up and served it in separate portions

[frozen pine]

thats what i like xd

[tawdry flare]

That I can agree with

[vestal ibex]

Just don't get focused on one build. This game has tons of different builds and I suggest trying them all out over time. It'll also help you play with groups because understanding how builds work helps you contribute to team play more.

[tawdry flare]

In div1 we had reclaimer nomad striker sentry d3 lone Star

[shy willow]

Having things for every situation is highly beneficial

[shy willow]

9k Stam pred in PVP my beloved

[tawdry flare]

Reclaimed reviving whole team

[vestal ibex]

Just like in div 2 right?

[shy willow]

Div1 not having that weakness mechanic meant you could just infinitely keep your team up with the box

[tawdry flare]

Nope if you get auto revived your hive is bye

[shy willow]

Huge radius unlimited ammo huge Heals completely status immune and it doesn't go down if you go down

[tawdry flare]

We had revive launcher than can revive someone from 50Meters

[shy willow]

Defib my beloved

Oh and survivor link

[tawdry flare]

With recovery link

[shy willow]

Recovery oops

[tawdry flare]

Immortality

Also determined tac link

[urban latch]

I disagree tbh. The whole gear system being just 6p of classified sets that are a pain to farm for outside specific events is far worse than the gear system we have in div2 imo.

[tawdry flare]

In div1 raucey is going to make a guide on Div1 now

[urban latch]

"run 6p classified strikers, everything else sucks in comparison"

Guide done

[tawdry flare]

But it was fun and it gave guaranteed classified drop unlike div2

[tawdry flare]

You forget 6 pcs reclaimer

Btw @urban latch FI vs Recalimer who will you pick up

As a healer

[shy willow]

Determined commanding tac link godly

[urban latch]

Oh yeah, the 1 other build worth having, although generally you can just survive with strikers since it both gives health back and has the highest dps. Great balancing

[vestal ibex]

Shoot stuff->win

[tawdry flare]

Good luck with clear sky

[shy willow]

At least in that game you drop stacks on missing though so it's not 100 percent braindead

If you miss with a showstopper runs dead lol

[tawdry flare]

Also healing and DMG can be tuned to your liking

[shy willow]

More firearms, less healing/more healing, less firearms

[tawdry flare]

Guns actually having recoil on div1

[shy willow]

Oh yeah that too

[tawdry flare]

Every gun just had crazy recoil

[vestal ibex]

@tawdry flare for a guy who just told me that the games are pretty much the same you sure are pointing out all the ways they are different.

[tawdry flare]

There is a big similarity both are developed by massive

[shy willow]

Lwm4 felt nice

[tawdry flare]

Bullfrog recoil king

Also prices were reasonable

At vendors

[shy willow]

Bulk selling stuff actually worth

Could just spam caches for phoenix credits

And field proficiency caches dropping exotics and classifieds

[tawdry flare]

That too vendors actually selling good things

Can buy just about anything

Actually selling blueprints of gun

Legendary NPCs wiping the team but the entire team getting revived by a box at their feet

[shy willow]

Legendary LMB are a different breed

[tawdry flare]

Doesn't even flinch can tank all the DMG don't give a f*k to your health always one shot you

[shy willow]

Lmb snipers mlg quickscope you and rushers just bumrush you

And the medics left unchecked are extremely annoying

[tawdry flare]

Healing box but can't stack strikers stacks on it

[flint wave]

sounds like div2 legendary

[winged raft]

Are status effect builds always skill builds?

[glossy scarab]

Well usually you use skills to apply the status effects

[wise swallow]

99% of status builds are skill builds but not all skill builds are status builds

Ig ongoing and Elmo are “status” effect things but

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio is the best source of status in the game change my mind

[winged raft]

What about things like pyromaniac

[shy willow]

Instant win button

[vestal ibex]

The fire it provides isn't much and to spec status effect would make your ability to kill with the gun much less.

[wise swallow]

Most universal yea

[glass yew]

Anyone know the secret to this guys build ?

[wise swallow]

You were on tenacity?

It ended

[flint wave]

this is why you use elmo

[vestal ibex]

Eb is great until the show stops.

[wise swallow]

I have zero idea why your running away on tenacity

That’s the opposite of what your suppose to do

[gentle lichen]

TRADE TRADE TRADE

[wise swallow]

You have full armour and tenacity just face trade lol

[glass yew]

make sense thanks

[wise swallow]

Yea don’t run on tenacity it’s useless

[winged raft]

Hmm, that sucks, idk what to do then

[vestal ibex]

What's your goal?

[wise swallow]

Unless your playing against lobotomized snails your gonna die after tenacity if you don’t kill 3

[wise patio]

Before you get to know secret builds there is a secret option called hdr in graphics which you need to turn off

[winged raft]

Idk I'm just playing the game lol

[vestal ibex]

HDR does look better and if you don't regularly post content for others I'd leave it on.

[wise patio]

Look at the video bruh its washed out colors

[shy willow]

Might just be a capture thing

[hazy steeple]

It looks like modern warfare 2, the one from the 2010's

just "brown, maybe some light yellow-brown"

[wise patio]

It might be 5th person where i pointed out they didnt know hdr was on who later realised it was a mistake

[vestal ibex]

It's because HRD has information current capturing can't do anything with.

[shy willow]

I seee

[hazy steeple]

wow that was 2009. God I feel old.

[wise patio]

Unless yall have expensive monitors dont use hdr. Doesnt work

[vestal ibex]

If you have a compatable screen it does look really good.

[urban latch]

Clear sky you can solo easily in like 5 minutes? It's by far the easiest one lol. Unless I'm getting mixed up, it's been years since I've done div1 now

[shy willow]

Stolen signal was a pain in the ass

Clear sky was like less than 5 minutes in a group

Falcon lost was long but simple

Dragons nest was don't die

[tawdry flare]

Sure the one with infinite mortars

[flint wave]

paradise lost be like

[winged raft]

Is there no way to do status effects that doesn't use skills

[hazy steeple]

There's actually loads of items that can cause status effects without sills, but skills are just way more "instant application".

[vestal ibex]

Just use elmo or iron lung. You'll cause a status effect but it'll be more like some temporary CC effects.

[flint wave]

and scorpio

[winged raft]

Can you even have weapon damage main stat and status effect as secondary or is that not a thing

[vestal ibex]

You could it's just with the available stats and how the math works out you'll do considerably less damage.

This is why I asked you your goal earlier. You said just playing the game but it sounds like you wanna shoot status effects and kill with those status effects? Or do you just wanna cause them? idk if you had a more clear goal it would be much easier to suggest something.

[winged raft]

Well yes I wanna shoot status effects and actually kill with those, I find shooting at dudes more engaging than using a skill on them and watching the drone play the game

[vestal ibex]

You should really try out EP then. You'll wanna light people on fire then shoot said people with the capacitor. The gun gets more damage from skill tiers and adds to your skill damage as you shoot people and gain stacks.

It's a very interactive skill build.

[winged raft]

I was gonna use ep yeah

[vestal ibex]

Cause enemies you light on fire you'll do 30% amp damage to with your gun.

Via the backpack talent on EP.

EP fire/cc build Not sure if you've already found the build guides but this is the build you'd want. CC is great too, top team support build imo.

[winged raft]

I don't really wanna follow any guides tbh, is capacitor the only one that's like that? What about scorpion

[hazy steeple]

The guides in that spreadsheet have all been fully tested out, just an FYI. They're made by people on this server.
for the majority of them it's understandable, but these are very much 100% good.

[glass yew]

But why

[winged raft]

Oh no I understand, I just find it more fun to figure it out myself, I play a lot of games with builds and stuff and I just never like following guides

[hazy steeple]

Oh by all means work on them yourself, just you should be aware that div2 is very "math heavy" and one small mistake can snowball.

[winged raft]

I'm fine with that

Hell I might even try things that might be considered bad

[rich lotus]

as long as its fun right

[hazy steeple]

The good news is that div2 is worked out so that you can play pretty much anything on Challenging (what you should consider as the minimum difficulty) and still be fine.

[flint wave]

if you want bad builds just stick ninjabike on it

[hexed steppe]

Dont badmouth ninjabike knee
Unlock god mode with bulletking + ninjabike knee /s

Never reload again

[hazy steeple]

never reload again because you're on the floor calling out for a revive lol

[winged raft]

I'm a big fan of off meta or even bad things

anyway, do dots stack? as in can you inflict multiple bleeds or burns on an enemy or just 1

[vestal ibex]

You get one type of status at a time and you cannot reapply it until it goes away and there is a small immunity window so if you try to re up that same status right after it goes away it usually wont apply.

You can stack tons of different types of status at once tho.

Also if you are theory crafting up a build I'd suggest learning how different attributes like skill duration/skill efficiency/status effect actually change things. What some of these things affect might not be what you think from face value.

[gentle bramble]

Is there a build where a firewall actually can frontline and be... a wall?

[tulip charm]

what do you mean "a wall" unkillable?

[gentle bramble]

Kinda, like, I feel the idea with the firewall was to be walking in front probably shooting/burning enemies and getting fuel/giving bonuses to the rest of the group behind/within 10 meters

[tulip charm]

I mean you can run hf with striker shield and add blues to it

[flint wave]

blue cores/pfe mods

[winged raft]

is there any resources on that? the game doesn't really explain you much, like I found out that pestilence's dot is not actually a status effect even though it looks like a status effect and behaves like one

[vestal ibex]

There is a spreadsheet pinned in this channel. It's a wealth of knowledge and it's kept mostly up to date.

[livid bridge]

Why would you run blue cores on a set designed for damage?

[hazy steeple]

Little extra tank.
most run it with Memento so that covers the shield, but without it 1-2 blue cores isn't gonna hurt that much.

[flint wave]

something called having balance

[livid bridge]

Sounds to me like those who put blue cores on strikers should just run 6 red cores on heartbreakers

[flint wave]

I bet my 4 blue memento striker would do more damage then red hb

[livid bridge]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ok

[flint wave]

5 blue even

[tulip charm]

Damn I guess you dont know what striker shield is

[livid bridge]

Im farming out 2 decent sets of strikers to test this tomorrow. One full red. One 6 blue cores. If the striker wins. I’ll replace my heartbreaker set with it

[tulip charm]

my fault

[livid bridge]

I don’t like the shield skill

[tulip charm]

Well HF does love it

[hazy steeple]

If you want to tank, you'll pretty much always need a shield.

even DPS tank.

[livid bridge]

I don’t want to tank. I just know from past other game experiances as an off tank/dps . Surviving is important to doing damage as if your not alive. You can’t do damage

And anything can happen so it’s important to not be meltable in 2 seconds

[flint wave]

yet you've been ignoring better ways to achieve a balance between dps and survivability

[livid bridge]

I literally stated. Im gonna grind out 2 striker sets tomorrow to test and see if my mind gets changed

[hazy steeple]

Yes exactly, if you don't want to die in 2 seconds then you either stay velcroed to cover and only do the cover-to-cover moves, praying that enemies always stay within the ideal range, or you slap a shield on your alternate skill slot and be able to move more freely.

[livid bridge]

What about the deflect drone as another option?

[rocky rain]

Where can I get Belstone gear or Blueprints?

[flint wave]

doesn't last long enough imo

[tulip charm]

Target farm belstone in countdown

Or do descent for bp i believe

[livid bridge]

Cover it is then. I’ve tried the shield multiple times and I just don’t like it. It’s a personal thing. I understand it’s viable but personally I don’t like it

[rocky rain]

Thanks!

[hazy steeple]

just to confirm, you are using the crusader/firewall shield, right?

[livid bridge]

Yeah

[hazy steeple]

the bulwark is pistol only, and the other one is just awful.

[flint wave]

the shield can be put up and down so fast you can treat it as an extra wall of tank

I see alot of people just walking around slowly with the shield up

[hazy steeple]

Yeah the crusader/firewall shield is pretty much a "haha cant shoot me, okay im safe in cover again" skill for the most part.

especially on mostly red builds.

[livid bridge]

Either way. Im hoping my mind gets changed tomorrow on striker given how many of you love it.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hazy steeple]

If you want a really fun combo, run a full red striker with memento, and take the Kard TDI.
since blue and yellow cores both work as shield tiers, pull out the pistol, pop up the shield then run over to the next bit of cover.

[wise swallow]

I mean your hard on for HB is probably gonna interfere with you liking it but

[livid bridge]

Time will tell 😂

[flint wave]

also not running a shield before

[livid bridge]

Just a question. Im assuming everything y’all are saying is the meta. Which is why everyone is so unbending on it

?

[tulip charm]

Well striker just offers insane dps output

[hazy steeple]

my favourite gun in div2 is the dark winter, followed by backfire.
so I can safely say that I'm not hardline meta.

[wise swallow]

EB supremacy

[hazy steeple]

yep, odder is nuts 😉

[wise swallow]

4 years of glazing EB now

[flint wave]

don't have eb supremacy🛌

[tulip charm]

eb 🛌

[livid bridge]

Just so I can set it up right. St elmos works with strikers right?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[livid bridge]

Awesome also do apologise for my stubbornness

[wise swallow]

EB does too 👍

[hexed steppe]

You'll be able to use you same stacking tactics as well. Acs/elmo is solid

Just dont facetank while doing it 😂

[livid bridge]

sweet, would mean changing the talent in my acs. got flatline in there right now and thats gonna be a bad habit to train out haha, too used to knowing im gonna have the bonus armor lol

[hexed steppe]

If you use gunner you'll get some armor on kill which is helpful

[livid bridge]

also servers will be down for 3 hours tomorrow estimated. just saw. yeah gonna level up gunner tomorrow, got 70 points in there right now

[vestal ibex]

ACS talent kinda doesn't matter imo, I'd go lefty and have sledge ready, it's also super op in the wright/lovebirds fight if you end up using it in the incursion.

[livid bridge]

sweet. knew there was a good reason to keep my lefty with perfect sledge

[vestal ibex]

Interesting thing about the incursion is on wright and lovebirds you can do most of your stacking while they are immune so I run fire rate mod and attribute on my lefty to squeeze a little more stacking in these windows. Purely min max stuff tho.

[livid bridge]

can you do the incursion solo?

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quwXIfOP5q0&t=1s

He was the first one to do it, solo and flawless.

Djunx is a very good speed runner tho.

[slate wedge]

you run lefty and not rock n roll?

[vestal ibex]

Depends on speeds or pubs.

Pubs I'm gonna want to sledge, speeds it's taken care of so I typically RNR.

For people looking to FTC they need to learn to stack during downtime in-between phases and sledge properly so I suggest lefty for pubs.

[livid bridge]

can rock n roll drop in countdown?

[flint wave]

farm countdown to get currency for named caches

and then it will drop in named caches

[vestal ibex]

Nope. It's DZ/conflict/named caches/incursion key loot box.

[flint wave]

you forgot manhunt targets first clear

[livid bridge]

sticking to my Acs/lefty for now then lol

[vestal ibex]

I thought that was the uuuuhhh perfect killer thing.

Dark winter?

[flint wave]

ye I got that from Cindy rescue

[vestal ibex]

Oh also congrats on your new PB. You guys still pushing for better times?

[slate wedge]

ahh i see what you mean

[slate wedge]

Thanks man, we are still pushing. If you watch our run, it had potential to be in the 30s very easily cause we didn't oneshot Wright and got a chunga. Plus Martinez jumped over the railing.

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah you guys do a lot of things different, no OD ammo, no scorpio on last water too. In that run you guys got that immune state on his last bar too. Feelsbadman.

[slate wedge]

Yeah, usually we would just oneshot him on bar but we fucked up. Luckily our tanker was so fast that we still got a 6 seconds faster time than before.

[wise glen]

hi i am a beginner, i got 4 pieces of striker gear and famas now, what should i get for other slots? also whats the better skill combination, crusader/striker shield + striker drone or something else?

[slate wedge]

The Scorpio we might add and OD ammo we felt like we didn't need for now.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, both our HSD strikers have it in their pistols for wright and lovebirds so it helps with both fights. Noticed the seconds shot on johnson didn't kill him too. I don't think it's needed but it def improves consistency ya know.

[tawny belfry]

Can we recalibrate the Festive Delivery backpack? Cannot see that in the notes

[vestal ibex]

Items for your other slots that are good are coyotes mask, ceska brand, grupo brand, a mix those with one of those two brands with the talent obliterate for the chest. Striker backpack is always BIS when running the gearset but the chest is situational and not needed for most content. If you don't have coyotes go with the two brands mentioned.

[livid bridge]

what does grupo have?

also is it worth running striker chest and backpack?

[onyx sage]

15% crit dmg

[livid bridge]

oooh nice

[onyx sage]

chest is situational, backpack is almost a universal pick

[livid bridge]

why is it situational? if i can replace my cezka holster with a striker holster and place something else in the chest like fenris for the assault rifle damage i will

[vestal ibex]

Chest is first world problems lol

[onyx sage]

because getting to 200 takes quite a long time, and in content that's not tanky enough you'll rarely get to that, much less utilize that. plus, above 100 stacks the decay rate is 3 stacks/s which is very fast so you better maintain those stacks.

[livid bridge]

ive got coyote mask, what would yall say is best for the chest slot then?

[wise glen]

thanks

[onyx sage]

that said, it finds use in legendary, incursion and some of the recent heroic manhunts

[onyx sage]

most run ceska chest with obliterate

but you're building 2 variants, one with 6 red and one with 6 blue correct?

[livid bridge]

obliterate? wouldnt bloodsucker be better? and yes so i can be set for all situations that call for it. the 6 blue core is for a more general use so i can crush heroic without worrying about dying in the open world/ countdown and the 6 red core is purely for the raids/incursion

[onyx sage]

bloodsucker is a backpack talent.

obliterate is good on 6 red and 6 blue, but 6 blue means you can run more survivability-oriented talents, so you can run unbreakable, vanguard and the like

open world and countdown are 2 different ballparks though, one is where anything goes and the other is where dps is heavily emphasized

frankly, raids have lower dps requirement than countdown

[livid bridge]

what does unbreakable do? and damn i love bloodsucker haha also with countdown ive found surviving is more important haha and really?

[onyx sage]

countdown is where survivability is actually coming more from your ad clear speed rather than dealing with forced damage

unbreakable heals you back up to 95% armor when you break armor, cooldown is something i forgot

[livid bridge]

interesting. what about 3 blue core, 3 red core for the general use one then? that sounds really good, what about vanguard?

balance for damage and health

[onyx sage]

3/3 is a good compromise

vanguard is a team talent mostly where it buffs your team's bonus armor based on your own, so it finds most value on 6 blue

[livid bridge]

unbreakable it is. either way this is going to make for a very interesting afternoon tomorrow after basketball and a lecture

[onyx sage]

good luck and have fun.

[slate wedge]

We don't even have 2 people using HS striker

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I skipped thru your vid and second water damage looked like that. Can you guys ever instant kill wright then or do you always deal with last bar immune stuff?

[sudden fog]

Anyone have healer build

[slate wedge]

well, we usually can instakill him but both King and Pyro have to hit their shots most of the time

although Pyro also hit some crazy numbers on Wright already like 576M

the way you do it is more complex but more consistent

[urban latch]

Healer guide from the pinned spreadsheet

[patent elm]

Did someone bother to check whether the gun number increases from the patch notes are the same as in the pts?

[urban latch]

iKia did a whole breakdown, his description has links to his spreadsheets showing the numbers
https://youtu.be/nDsUhmAd31M?si=B7gDH9X0scNxjO8S

[rich cosmos]

Is memento worth using with an ongoing directive build?

[glossy scarab]

i def gotta try using mechanical animal to throw an overcharge decoy and switch to my M1A CQB with behind you on it

[urban latch]

its an alright choice since you dont need the OD backpack. The main drawback is OD is a group focused set, and memento generally relies on getting kills which is generally going to be lower on a support build in a group

[hollow pasture]

Vigi for more damage or Lavoisier for support
With scorpio and foam/Banshee pulse /blinder firefly

But yea memento wouldn't be that good to run as you'd be fighting hard with the rest of ur team for kills

[magic pilot]

60s

[onyx sage]

when are you gonna play with me 😔

[magic pilot]

I'm down whenever lol

I'm off every Monday now

Just got a new job, big manager boss now

[final orchid]

What specialization do people normally run with striker? The shield talents in the fire one look useful? I have maxed out tactician

[magic pilot]

Firewall for max dmg gunner for AoK and ammo regen

Gunner has banshee pulse too

[final orchid]

hmm okay I will need to level those up. Whats a speedy way to get points?

[cloud python]

Hello everyone,

What is the recommendation on incursion builds?

I have 3 maxed out skill builds, a maxed hunters fury and other tanking builds, what’s the recommendation? DPS?

[magic pilot]

Xp farm

[onyx sage]

i'll see you in March then cuz out of town rn

[magic pilot]

All good, let me know when you are back

[final orchid]

Is there a specific XP farm you are mentioning?

[solar sable]

so i've been farming for a while and don't know which beginner build to pick, im kinda into tank with dps build but don't know which components give this attributes.

[shy willow]

4 piece striker build with memento and a ceska obliterate chest

Everything rolled to crit chance and damage

[random sigil]

if you want more tanky you can change some weapon cores to armor cores, but i would try it normally first before tweaking.

[shy willow]

Memento is all the tank you need tbh

[random sigil]

you have weirdos like me who dont like to pick up trophies so don't do what I do...

[random sigil]

To be fair tho, the backpack for strikers is like 30% damage boost. for memento i like heartbreakers a liiittle better, but personal preference

[solar sable]

Ty both, I'll get to farm memento

[dreamy valve]

New reanimated with a head hunter build is going to be disgusting

[shy willow]

Innit

[dreamy valve]

absolute filth

[gentle lichen]

Would you even need headhunter with the amounts of amp they're giving to headshots

I believe they increased the weakness by an additional 50%

[dreamy valve]

but I love big damage numbers

[tulip charm]

Same I want to kill them 5 times in one shot

[shy willow]

Determined first wave fp45👀

[rocky rain]

So no Tiers for Skills?

[solar sable]

which ones do u recommend then?

[shy willow]

Skills won't help you do good damage and be tanky

Besides memento comes with 2 free shield tiers and long term skill efficiency/armor regen/weapon damage

[patent elm]

Yea that's why i was asking whether the final numbers match the pts ones so we can use all of this awesome analysis or we have to do /wait for new calculations

[honest canyon]

Noob question here. What is the best way to get gear weaves for optimisation? I seem to get 1 per gold item, say backpack for example. And I need 75 for an upgrade. Is there a faster rate of acquiring these? Or is it 1 per gold?

[solar sable]

Just got memento :DD

[rocky rain]

What are amongst the most popular gear sets?

[hazy steeple]

It depends what you want it for, e.g. damage it's Striker/Hunters Fury, etc, but even then the specific activity.

[shy willow]

Ayyy

[rocky rain]

OK, this build looks fairly strong to me! Any ideas?

[restive dome]

remove all the blue cores and you'll be able to actually kill something 🙂

[rocky rain]

OK, but you need a good armor too right?

[restive dome]

Depends on the content you're playing. My advise would be to learn how to utilize cover so you don't need blue cores. You'll kill quicker...

The quicker you kill them, the less time they have to kill you, and the less damage you'll take. Hence no need for blue cores.

[hazy steeple]

If you want some heals, run it with Gunner since it gives you 10% armour on kill.

[rocky rain]

Gunner - is that a gearset? I have Belstone for the 10% armor on kill

[solar sable]

the Gunner specialization

[rocky rain]

Ah, yes

better?

[restive dome]

I mean, you'll notice the difference. Depending on the difficulty you play at ofc.

[rocky rain]

Roaming on Normal, missions on hard. Trying to get some additional epic weapons

[hazy steeple]

You should try and make the push to Challenging ASAP.
on challenging and above, enemies can only drop gold/gearset/exotic gear.

[restive dome]

this ^^

[rocky rain]

Oh really! Damn! Cool, thanks. Will try once servers are back online.

And with the update, optmizitation will be cheaper I understood

[hazy steeple]

Overall yes, but Expertise costs are being cut in half.

[rocky rain]

Thanks. Alright, have a good one!

[ruby ingot]

Can someone explain to how System Corruption set is a buff, it doesn't look like a buff to me if the cap of the weapon damage increase is still 20%

[sullen night]

It just ramps up to 20% quicker I guess, nothing too big

[ruby ingot]

That's not how Sys Cor' works, it doesn't "ramp up"

[ancient dune]

you just don't need the backpack or another bonus armour talent to get the full buff

and if you do have the pack you keep buff for longer in combat I guess if someone is shooting at you

[ruby ingot]

Are you sure about that? I thought the damage bonus only lasts 5 seconds and it come from the set, not from because you have bonus armor, it doesn't act like an intimidate talent

Does no one here run Sys Cor'? Damn

I feel like the devs themselves don't even know how this set works, this buff doesn't make any sense to me

[ancient dune]

Based on the wording it seems like you just get TWD when you have bonus armour based on how much bonus armour you have?

and the bonus armour from mini armour kit times out in 5 seconds

unless it doesn't work like that in practice that seems fairly straightforward

[ruby ingot]

What I understand is you press a button and this talent activates and lasts for 5s, and this talent give you 50% bonus armour and increases total weapon damage

[sullen night]

The weapon damage bonus also activates when you get bonus armor from any other source, for example if you run Bloodsucker on a High End backpack, that will now trigger 20% weapon damage from half the amount of kills

[ancient dune]

I think that icon only indicates how long you have until the bonus armour times out

[sullen night]

At least that's how it should be from the wording

[ruby ingot]

So

Increases total weapon damage by 2% per 5% bonus armor gained, up to 20%.
Is actually passive and independent?

[ancient dune]

That would be my assumption, I don't run this set

[sullen night]

I was thinking so

If not I don't see the sense of the buff either

[ruby ingot]

Well let me say this, I used this set a lot in PvP, and although it's been many months since I used it, I remember distinctly, this is not passive and it's only activated when the talent is activated

[sullen night]

Then idk

Oh wait, like Reck said earlier, you don't need the backpack talent now to get the full 20% dps buff, so you can swap it out for soemthing else I guess

[ancient dune]

Sounds like a bug they never caught because no one runs the set

idk I'll give it a check when the servers are up maybe

[ruby ingot]

That doesn't make sense, you don't need to the backpack to begin with

[sullen night]

Why?

50% bonus armor only means 10% damage increase if the talent is tied to it

And not independent

[ruby ingot]

Ima do a little testing myself after update, but before update, I tested it and I can confirm it was 20% damage increase with 100% bonus armor

[sullen night]

Yes

[lunar wadi]

so noww you get 20% with just 50% bonus armor

[sullen night]

Exactly

[ruby ingot]

No...

[lunar wadi]

this is a buff, it frees up a backpack talent

[sullen night]

Yes

Finally it all makes sense lmao

[ancient dune]

That's what the wording implies, I'll take a look since I think maintenance just ended

[ruby ingot]

Lmao

[ancient dune]

jokes i was looking at the wrong patch notes

[ruby ingot]

The reason this doesn't make sense is because it says it's 5% bonus armor gained, with bag, it's 100%/5% = 20, 20 * 2% = 40%, but it's capped to 20%, without bag it's 50%/5% = 10%, 10 * 2% = 20%, which is same as with bag

[ancient dune]

? Wha

[sullen night]

Your math is a bit wack

[lunar wadi]

yes cap to 20% dmg, but you only need 50% bonus armor instead of 100% to reach to full buff

[ruby ingot]

Maybe Funky is right, it's giving the ability to take away bag and retain the same bonus damage

[ancient dune]

Old state:
100% bonus armour -> 20% TWD
50% bonus armour -> 10% TWD

New state:
100% bonus armour -> 20% TWD
50% bonus armoru -> 20% TWD

[ruby ingot]

but of course, you're throwing away 50% bonus armor for some form of bp talent

[ancient dune]

very shrimple

[sullen night]

Yes it frees up the backpack slot, as they've been saying

[ruby ingot]

That makes sense now

@lunar wadi Thanks, you're the only one here made sense lol

[sullen night]

My assumption about the dmg bonus being independent was wrong, disregard that, it's just about the backpack slot

[ruby ingot]

I don't really see it as a buff

Since I'm wearing 6pc blue so that extra 700k armour is quite valuable

although it only lasts 5 seconds

[sullen night]

That's up to you

[ancient dune]

The wording on the talent seems a bit pointlessly complex

[lunar wadi]

server up, time to play with new toys

[shy willow]

Dttooc eb time

[hidden copper]

Pestilence worth running this season?

[tulip charm]

No

[lunar wadi]

no dmg buff sadly

[tulip charm]

I need to get an rpk and a l86 to play with

[shy willow]

Even got nerfed in PvP lol

[ancient dune]

Don't worry guys I've solved this

Currently I'm not getting bonus armour at all from any source when I have syscor equipped 👍

[sullen night]

Did the optimization costs increase? Or was it always giga expensive? ~200SHD things to go from 10.6 to 12.0 CHD seems a bit wack

Ok phew looks like it was just some visual anomaly

[blissful sphinx]

is it worth even pursuing this now with nerf to hf?

[tulip charm]

The hok nerf isnt a big deal with hf imo

[sullen night]

The nerf to HF doesn't do much unless you were running a dedicated health build already

[blissful sphinx]

alright cool

[bright raptor]

nobody runs HF specifically for the health bonus, the dev team convinced themselves that the health stat isn't a useless stat for some reason and changed that

probably hit a key performance indicator that way

[ancient dune]

@ruby ingot based on some testing I just did on system corruption:

• The buff is an Amp and not TWD (it was 20% no matter how much TWD I had on me)
• You gain it based on any bonus armour source not just the mini kit (testing with 40% bonus armour from galvanize it gave me 16% amp)

[ancient dune]

Knowing this, that is sort-of a buff to even the backpack because it means someone has to drop you from 100% bonus armour to 50% bonus armour while kit is up before you start losing that 20% amp

[sullen night]

What the hell so it's independent after all

[ancient dune]

Ye

[sullen night]

I'm just not gonna think about it anymore 😬

[ancient dune]

It is capped at 20% still, they didn't fuck that up

So the wording is all correct

Aside from the TWD haha that's actually supposed to be Amp

[sullen night]

😄

[ancient dune]

At least it doesn't scale exponentially

[tawdry flare]

I am hearing people are losing their exotics on rerolling

[shy willow]

Yep

Mines fine

[ruby ingot]

Thanks

[hushed gorge]

Man,try it now
I would like to know your feedback

[shy willow]

Absolutely beautiful

Would run this over Elmo anyday

Also

Now do I risk my reg

Mag size ffs

Ran out of steel again

[ancient dune]

send the reg in it's easy to get another

let's see that dta roll

[shy willow]

Rolled mag size 3 times back to back

[latent bough]

Is elmo still the best AR to use with striker ?

[tulip charm]

Its just easy to use

[lyric prism]

24 rolls later.

[shy willow]

Gottem

[ancient dune]

pog

[lyric prism]

I like this. Shows how many you have when crafting

[shy willow]

First try got dttooc capacitor let's go

[limpid pelican]

dta best for regulus?

[lyric prism]

best to ask what isn't. dta/dttoc best for.

[limpid pelican]

well he specifically said dta

i was wondering if it would be more ideal than dttoc

[shy willow]

I don't know the inner workings but according to the maffs guys dta scales better with headhunter

[limpid pelican]

i see

[ancient dune]

specific for headhunter yea if you're doing some oneshot stuff with dcgh or glass cannon or whatever you still want dttooc

[limpid pelican]

nice to know. do you know which attribute would be best for lmgs? damage to armor or damage to health paired with contractors

i've been told rate of fire as well

[ancient dune]

crit chance

at least for a striker build it's crit chance, I'd need to double check for builds with higher crit

[limpid pelican]

appreciate it. trying to get the right l86 before i throw expertise at it

[neon sedge]

Boys

Ur fav assault rifle?

[shy willow]

Right now, eagle bearer

[neon sedge]

I dont these stuff

Like famas and the other

[shy willow]

Huh

[neon sedge]

That easy to get
I heard f2000 got better

[shy willow]

Yeah f2k is a contender

[tawdry flare]

60 round mag trying fast hands and strained

[urban latch]

F2000 seems like the clear HE choice now with the changes

Shield splinter and strained on the f2000 are roughly equal

[tawdry flare]

The mag is the best part

[tawdry flare]

What about fast hands

You can get more stacks

[urban latch]

Yep. No idea why they both boosted the damage and mag size, but these devs have no idea how to balance things... Seems like they just saw everyone using fanas and wanted something to compete.

Fast hands is solid too

[shy willow]

Time to put shield splinterer to use

Also did they ruin it's skin

I swear it had like a gold strip down the side before

Now it's just plain white/black

[tawdry flare]

Time to farm one

[shy willow]

I've had a perfect one sat in my stash for a day like this

[magic pilot]

I'd be more inclined to use shield splinterer because of pvp and I have one at expertise 10

[tulip charm]

So the top ARs are F2k, Famas, ACR, AK-M?

[flint wave]

where g36

[shy willow]

Wtf acr akm and g36 all top options now?

[tulip charm]

Im looking at the spreadsheet vid kia did

[ancient dune]

the AKs are the top of the charts rn but they're a bit annoying to handle

[flint wave]

kingbreaker moment

[ancient dune]

For accuracy at range I think famas and fal are the top contenders if you're looking for laser beams to use with a focus build

[tulip charm]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VzGOzKljvJF_SluZhmgiEGKECHD0BlDP4q-52GKknEc/edit#gid=0

[flint wave]

range and famas don't mix

[gentle bramble]

absurd, it's been more than 1 hour that the patch launched and THE SPREADSHEET hasn't been updated with all changes to builds and tables. What am I paying for? /sarcasm

[ancient dune]

I've thrown together a quick one for strikers against armour

[muted hare]

Hey guys what’s a good pistol talent?

[gentle lichen]

How's reggie eating for those HHHF Builds?

[flint wave]

determined

[tulip charm]

depends what pistol

[ancient dune]

obvious disclaimer everything is without accounting for misses or how annoying certain talents are to use (like frenzy) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n0Lyw7a1K-pQi6ILouVDk19sRfR8ApZvYLa1iT2PVto/edit#gid=1894196235

[flint wave]

finisher too

[muted hare]

Kard-45 pistol

[tulip charm]

oh uh finisher or sledgehammer

[muted hare]

Thanks man @tulip charm

[gentle bramble]

So for the Eclipse Protocol burn build, anything on this patch would make more sense? There was a buff on capacitor, and now there's a gear set with 10% armor on kill, so I've been thinking about that

[tulip charm]

cap buff?

[shy willow]

Pdr damage buff

[gentle lichen]

I mean every exo got a buff

[gentle lichen]

Right that

[shy willow]

• cap gets innate dta/dttooc now

[gentle lichen]

I need to try this in pvp

[shy willow]

I hear it smashes now

[gentle bramble]

interest making

[muted hare]

One more question sorry guys for the six12 shotgun what’s talents works best for it since I’m running a striker build? Or is there a better alternative to the shotgun

[tulip charm]

the only six12 you should use is the mop for the aok. Idealy you should be using the acs-12 due to how fast it can stack up

[hexed steppe]

scorpio is a six12 as well...

[muted hare]

Ah ok bet so I’ll be on the look out for that weapon then

[hexed steppe]

go with a lefty. better stack weapon and sledgehammer is really strong

[muted hare]

damn I had a lefty a while back but I got rid of it 🥲

[tulip charm]

you can easily get one anyways

[hexed steppe]

easy to farm in countdown

[muted hare]

This is the roll that I got for the six12 I thought it was decent for it’s roll

[gentle bramble]

I need a mop again, I had it then I dis-had it

[tulip charm]

ngl its kinda bad unless you like future perfect

[muted hare]

Damn I thought it was decent 💀

I’ll grind for a lefty what rolls should I look for?

[flint wave]

doesn't matter since talent is the same

put crit chance on it or dtoc

[onyx sage]

use a six12 with dttooc, you can roll pummel if you're in mobbing content or strained/flatline if you're bossing like in incursion

[muted hare]

Interesting

[lyric prism]

so. I find the new set interesting not so much for what the bonuses bring but for the mystery

anyone tried Aegis out yet w/ Mosquito?

[dreamy valve]

Kukukuk

[wise swallow]

That made it past PTS

Wtf man

[flint wave]

[lyric prism]

I had to roll three times on BK. I think that was to put up for the 24 on Scorpio.

[west trellis]

Anyone tried ageis yet?

This is what I came up with so far

Not finished yet just a rough idea

[rich cosmos]

Not gonna try it because it seems bland

[wise swallow]

Im making a Aegis, Intim, adrush build at some point

was good in PTS

[west trellis]

Ohhh okay okay

[wise swallow]

mostly for PVP tho lol

[muted hare]

Wait hold on Crit chance is cap at 60%?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[muted hare]

Damn what about damage?

[fickle light]

dmg has no cap

[muted hare]

Cause I’m sitting at 60% Crit chance and 88% dmg with elmos rn I thought I could go higher

[lyric prism]

with what set?

[tulip charm]

Wheres your crit damage dog?

[lyric prism]

Ceska piece in there somewhere?

[fickle light]

you can go higher, are you using gearset or highend?

[muted hare]

I’ll send pics hold on

[tulip charm]

Ok you dont need 60% chc with coyotes

[fickle light]

you definitely are overcapping on crit chance

[muted hare]

Any advice to better my gear?

Any chances?

[lyric prism]

when you get your SHD levels up, it helps offset the gear chc but w/ coyotes shoots for 50% or so chc.

[fickle light]

take off some crit chance on whatever gear you have, replace it with crit damage, check one by one as you do it to keep your crit chance above 50%

[lyric prism]

after that, grind out the SHD levels.

focus your red points selection on the SHD watch on chc.

[muted hare]

Most of my gear just has crit damage

[lyric prism]

then you need some chd rolls.

[fickle light]

Are you sure? you should having a lot more crit damage even without SHD

[lyric prism]

how far over cap are you?

[muted hare]

I changed on gear and now I’m at 98%chd

[lyric prism]

if you look at the numbers WITHOUT St. Elmo's what is your chc?

[fickle light]

thats better, but it can probably go higher still.

[muted hare]

without Elmo chc 34 chd 78

[lyric prism]

ok so w/ St Elmo's you are at 54%.

[muted hare]

Any changes then? Or recommendations yall have?

[lyric prism]

play and get SHD levels.

[muted hare]

cause another note idk if it’s important or not my elmos does have a 7.5 chc as well

For its attributes

[fickle light]

as its third attrib? change that to DTTOOC (not now, though, exotics can be lost when rerolled)

[lyric prism]

they can be lost?

new bug, yay

[fickle light]

i've heard that they can, and its on the trello

[lyric prism]

wow.

[fickle light]

so i'd assume its true

[muted hare]

What’s dttooc?

[fickle light]

damage to target out of cover

[muted hare]

I’m kinda of a new guys here so my bad

Ohh ok ok

[lyric prism]

@muted hare for now so what Aspect said - just roll with the St Elmo's like it is. when you get your SHD levels maxed in chc it will open up some better doors.

[fickle light]

its a stat thats pretty rare to get on your gear, and the way it works in the game makes it the best stat for the third slot on anything

[muted hare]

The dmg to target attribute?

That’s rare?

[visual plover]

It’s definitely the best one

[muted hare]

Interesting

[lyric prism]

no, just rare for where you get it. only places for dttoc are on 3rd weapon attribute slots.

[muted hare]

Ohh ok ok

[urban latch]

From what I've heard (not tested myself though) is they are being lost when you reroll them while your inventory is full

[lyric prism]

or 2nd on lmg.

[muted hare]

Oh ok so I’ll hold off on the reroll until they fix it and just grind my levels up with chc until the time being

Thanks guys I appreciate it

[fickle light]

I've heard that too, but i cant confirm it myself so i'm just going with telling people not to until they fix it. Safer rather than sorry.

[lyric prism]

@muted hare eventually you get this w/ 4p Striker all rolled chd, a Ceska chest and Coyote, all mods chd, and St. Elmo's.

I have one 11.9% mod I can't get a perfect one to drop for the life of me.

[muted hare]

Damn

[lyric prism]

I'm also over cap on chc w/ Coyote. on so I should run a Grupo there.

but since I tend to face tank things the range is near 0. so its better.

[muted hare]

What roll do you have for your chest?

[urban latch]

It's worth being at 58% with coyotes imo instead of swapping to grupo

[lyric prism]

Obliterate.

if I'm doing something idk yet I run Unbreakable for the support.

[muted hare]

Cause rn I have Weapon damage, Chc, HD, and a little bit of health with unbreakable

[visual plover]

Did obliterate get a buff?

[muted hare]

Ah ok

[lyric prism]

run stuff w/ Ceska as the preferred loot choice. you will eventually get a good chest.

and I agree with @urban latch. with how the distance is on engagements Coyote for me personally is better.

[muted hare]

I like to use the mask since I keep my distance and while I’m at it I give the buffs

[lyric prism]

as an alternative you could run a ND set.

until you get your SHD levels up to help get more chd.

[muted hare]

What’s ND?

[muted hare]

And I thought I was to focus more on chc then chd?

[lyric prism]

just becareful in groups, you will get primaried.

[muted hare]

And ah ok bet

[urban latch]

With max chc from watch, Elmo's, and two chc rolls on your non-strikers you'll end at 42% chc. So if you assume the mid buff your only at 52%. Basically running grupo and a chc mod gets you equal in chc to ceska + CHD mod, but slightly less CHD overall. There's just no reason to run grupo in place of ceska on a strikers build, although the difference is realistically small

[muted hare]

I’ll grind for that set then

[lyric prism]

if you want the easy train, run countdown.

[muted hare]

Bet

And what about shd levels?

[lyric prism]

when in that, select the map (m) and hold down R, it will bring up the loot selection. selct the set you want by symbold and confirm it. do the challenge level, follow the herd of people and don't die.

SHD levels come with play.

route your red selection to chc first.

[muted hare]

Ah ok

[lyric prism]

after that chd.

[muted hare]

Bet thanks man

[lyric prism]

np. enjoy the game.

[lyric prism]

@muted hare select and hold H in coutdown when looking at the map, not R, for loot selections.

my mistake.

[muted hare]

@lyric prism for the ND set what rolls should I be looking for?

[lyric prism]

chd. you might need a piece rolled chc for you, for now.

run the same setup as Strikers, get a Grupo chest, run Coyotes.

with your lower chc your Ceska chest is a good piece to have though in place of a Grupo w/ a ND setup for now.

[muted hare]

Bet

[proven yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-keQomKYEc doctor home broken on live build

[livid bridge]

@urban latch decided on it, ive got 4 red core, 2 blue core with my striker build with unbreakable. currently sitting at 1.1 million armor. 54 crit chance, 115 crit damage. its still raw and got a fair bit to optimise but otherwise im really liking it got coyote in there as well. its shredding everything

[urban latch]

You running striker/crusader shield with it?

[livid bridge]

no, im using gunner for the armor on kill

[urban latch]

Try the crusader shield, it's not tied to any spec and will give you a ton more survivability. Running a shield is basically the main benefit you get from running blue cores, nothing else comes close

[livid bridge]

ill give it a try and let you know. wasnt a fan of it before as i find it hinders my movement and gameplay but ill let you know

[glossy scarab]

Ideal shield use involves putting it away and taking it out a lot for short periods of time. You don't want it out while you're trying to advance forward. Use cover to cover for that

[urban latch]

Once you get used to it it'll completely unlock much more aggressive movement and play style for you. It doesn't suddenly make you a tank, but the basic idea is it protects you from the target your shooting at, while you use full body cover (walls, etc) to block line of sight from everything else.

I basically only ever use the cover system when in a pinch, otherwise use cover, but not the actual "cover system"

[livid bridge]

ahhh ok, see im used to letting my drone distract and then bombing them with the cluster seeking mine and my own damage

[urban latch]

Swapping either of those skills will be far more beneficial

[livid bridge]

so what im getting is, its a more frontal use thing for short periods to avoid it being broken? say for example 1 on 1 with a hunter whilst moving to actual cover?

[urban latch]

Exactly

[glossy scarab]

With 2 blues you should have a decent amount of time before it breaks

[livid bridge]

yeah, its a tier 3 with what i have

[urban latch]

Well, your using cover as in putting objects between you and ads you aren't engaging in, and the shield is between you and your target

[livid bridge]

im gonna run a countdown with it and let you know. all i know is. im grateful to you guys. i dont normally like trying new stuff but this is fun

[urban latch]

Don't let strikers become the only build you think is good. It's very good, but others are right there with it depending on your situation

[livid bridge]

oh im keeping HB in my back pocket and also working on a sniper build and shotgun build

[tulip charm]

Playing ND again is quite a refreshing experience

[lyric prism]

yea you learn to duck down behind cover more so your team can shoot since all the hate is coming to you.

[livid bridge]

ok i can understand why people like crusader. im starting to like it

[random sigil]

is there a true patriot lmg build thjat works this season? if so could someone dm me and point me in the right direction please. I have not played in years

[magic pilot]

Can anyone link the sheet with the new dps of ARs smgs and lmgs

[urban latch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1dBD1oKXzJB1E3bMJtfRNxRHoDCtkkZy8?pli=1

[magic pilot]

Thank you

[lyric prism]

Log into game, guess they took it serious enough quickly.

Don't have a full inventory agents.

[glossy scarab]

good on them for putting that up

[livid bridge]

i mean. it did it to me and i have 100+slots available in my inventory lol

[glossy scarab]

im gonna wait. is this an across all platforms issue?

[solar sable]

yes

[pastel pasture]

any good legendary group builds or solo builds?

[tulip charm]

striker, nego, mortar, ep and fi

[pastel pasture]

Mortar build?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

Mortar is 😍

Grupo buffed for even more explosive damage as well. Farm them 🦄

[magic pilot]

I have one for every slot including chest and bp lmao

6pc yellow grupo build

[hexed steppe]

Wont need chest or bag. Sacrifice/force multiplier bis/highest damage potential

[magic pilot]

Oh Ik

Just thought it was cool to have

My skill character is never full anyway

[hexed steppe]

It's good farming for sure. Yellow grupo a pita to farm 🍻

[west trellis]

I'm wondering if anyone has found a better build for the rifle ?

[hexed steppe]

Nego or highend best bet 👍

[west trellis]

I figured as much thank you

[hexed steppe]

It would be good to see a8 expanded to rifle tho. 🤞

[west trellis]

That would be amazing

[lyric prism]

so how well does the new rifle work?

[west trellis]

It's interesting my shots aren't great but it's been fun so far

[lyric prism]

I need to get in there and farm.

[west trellis]

It's 350 decent credits so not to bad

[lyric prism]

I have never gone into Descent for more than five minutes, I was just waiting for some iteration on the mode.

but I like that style play so go figure. good time to start.

[west trellis]

Definitely it shouldn't be to difficult to get the weapon I started with 250 credits and I think in an our and half I had 360 ISH

[lyric prism]

thats not bad.

as long as the freeze for 8 sec thing don't do me in. yea, I'm one of the unlucky ones.

[blissful sphinx]

how do i now see what resources i exactly need to upgrade it>?

[solar sable]

press V and you should be able to see what you need

[blissful sphinx]

pc

[solar sable]

V**

[blissful sphinx]

just shows general resrouces

not specific to the upgrade

[solar sable]

Then check out in the Resource tab in your inventory

[blissful sphinx]

?

[solar sable]

open your inventory, then go to Resources

[blissful sphinx]

yeah i know

nevermind you dont get what i mean

[blissful rampart]

thats the wrong screen for that.

to upgrade that stat, you need to find high rolls and then extract it into your recal library .

[blissful sphinx]

to optimize?

[blissful rampart]

optimize is a different system then that screen shot, and when you go to the optimization menu, it tells you what you need (that screen shot is the Recal menu, so wrong one)

[blissful sphinx]

there is no longer a optmize tab

u play the update yet or nah?

[blissful rampart]

eh well what ever the new name for it is.

[vestal ibex]

https://trello.com/c/vqDM29tU Changed link was wrong one.

[onyx sage]

it a bug ye

[vestal ibex]

What they are having issue with is bugged.

[blissful rampart]

that bug is for "lack of ui sounds" doesnt list "lack of UI menus" unless that is bugged too??

[vestal ibex]

https://trello.com/c/vqDM29tU

ops meant to grab that one.

[onyx sage]

souless pulling the receipts left and right

[blissful rampart]

lol got it

[vestal ibex]

soo many bugs it's easy to mix them up.

[onyx sage]

"oh, you mean this bug?" "no, the other other bug"

[blissful rampart]

wonder if the bugs have bugs 🤔

[hexed steppe]

That's what happens when they fix stuff that isnt broken... project devolve in full effect🐞

[woeful swift]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBD1oKXzJB1E3bMJtfRNxRHoDCtkkZy8

@livid bridge

looking at 1.2 AR Burst and 1.1 AR Sustain

[vestal ibex]

I'd refer to this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit#gid=0

The one you are talking about was updated June of last year.

[woeful swift]

oh, cool. thanks for letting me know

is this updated for project resolve?

[vestal ibex]

I think this is with current numbers. Note that the CHC missing isn't factored into the damage differences at all and will move some of these items around a little.

[wooden sphinx]

Different but fun...

[tulip charm]

what am I looking at?

[vestal ibex]

Something different.

[wooden sphinx]

Overwatch, Leadership, Swift... reload and armor on c to c

[tulip charm]

doesnt leadership gives bouns armor on cover to cover?

[urban latch]

Ninjabike knees and overwatch is a combo...

Goes with the shield and lmg

[vestal ibex]

Should have used the blind fire gloves.

And BK, don't need to aim or reload then.

[vestal ibex]

No right click incursion when?

[tulip charm]

you carry?

[wooden sphinx]

I wanted to put something together for Stinger. That's why no BK. All Crit Chance/DMG. Do fine without handling.

[urban latch]

You tried this weekend

[vestal ibex]

Bro new mouse Thursday, also I didn't have that new glove.

[gentle bramble]

So, after 60% status effects on the burn/Eclipse protocol, or whatever is when you have +10% everywhere, what can be done to increase damage?

[hexed steppe]

Skill damage

[urban latch]

Ideally your already running EP backpack and vile. EP chest is normally ran, but it can be swapped for glass cannon. Skill damage on your other HE roll should be skill damage

[hexed steppe]

Add capacitor

[hexed steppe]

Should bump up the sensitivity when you get it 😉

[vestal ibex]

awww hell naw. I like seeing 70-80 accuracy in after action reports.

[gentle bramble]

Already have it 😄

[vestal ibex]

@hexed steppe I figure your mouse is sensitive enough to be a seismograph if need be.

[hexed steppe]

I was just thinking so you dont risk knocking the chocolate milk off your desk if you need to do a 360. I should try it at 5k

[vestal ibex]

Go to the moon and be able to 360 in a 1/4".

[hexed steppe]

Maxes out @25k I could probably do 50 360 in 1/4" at that setting 🍻

[muted hare]

Wait the meta has shifted already?

[vestal ibex]

Depends on what you are talking about.

[muted hare]

Like weapons?

or even gear ? Cause wasn’t smg meta a week ago or something?

[blissful rampart]

yes, there was big weapon balance pass this patch. so shift in meta weapons, but not really with builds tbh (pve at least)

[flint wave]

lmgs being competitive is a nice change of pace

[muted hare]

Ohh ok ok what are the weapons that got buffed and nerf?

[blissful rampart]

#patch-notes

[vestal ibex]

No nerfs just unadultered power creep.

ARs damage This is the state of ARs but keep in mind the loss of CHC isn't factored in and will change things a bit.

More charts are probably coming over the next few days.

[harsh flume]

Anyone got a good hardwire build? I just started playing after a long while so I’ve got some catching up to do

[rich lotus]

Season 3 meta is gonna gear towards what?

Strikers still S tier?

[vestal ibex]

4 pc hardwire, GC chest either china or wyvern and put the other brand as a minor part. I'd demo spec and use mortar turret and cluster seeker. Skill damage everywhere and PFE mods. It's the poor mans mortar build but it's way easier to farm and pretty decent imo.

[blissful rampart]

TBH this patch doesnt change PVE build meta, but the patch did meta shift the top guns.

[rich lotus]

Ouroboros still top tier then

gotta go get it finally

[dreamy valve]

I have a strong urge to try out a Lady Death build for the first time

[blissful rampart]

yes Oreo still top smg dps

[delicate wigeon]

Does anyone know of a build using normal rifles? Preferably not a striker build

[harsh flume]

So GC over technician for more damage?

[random sigil]

I saw the dps spreadsheet for the AR's, is M4 now a bad option in comparison to others?

[rich lotus]

time to start farming Paradise Lost

[hexed steppe]

Better off 3 empress 2wyvern china as a poor mans mortar. Hw pretty weak, good for weak cluster spamming tho

Mortar already low cooldown

[vestal ibex]

Probably not as weak as you think tho.

[hexed steppe]

Very weak

[dreamy valve]

Looks like players still won’t use 3 pc brand set for weapon dps builds

[vestal ibex]

Well up against a proper mortar build the only thing that really sets the two apart is the backpack talent.

[hexed steppe]

Mortar already has a 10sec cooldown

[vestal ibex]

Yeah which is HW cool down?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, hw without an extra 30% tsd

[vestal ibex]

Did you know that destroying the mortar turret activates HW?

[hexed steppe]

I know how hardwire works

[vestal ibex]

Well cool.

[hexed steppe]

That's why I'm confident in calling it weak

I would say it's a lot stronger as a jammer spam build for razorback but as explosives its meh at best

[vestal ibex]

Sure. I never said it was strong. A person asks for a build so you give them one. It might be less than some other options but it's an easier faster farm and it can easily do heroic solo.

[hexed steppe]

A regular afk converted to mortar just as easy to farm.
I get they asked for hw. I was just putting out another option

[vestal ibex]

And just speaking from someone who made the proper mortar build and compared it to the HW build it was kinda disappointing. I was expecting much more.

[blissful sphinx]

whats the best pvp build rn?

[hexed steppe]

Personally I can see 10m+ for mortar hits. Obv unicorns involved. But a regular he should be seeing 7-8mil hits.

Also i use stinger instead of clusters. Much faster return and also an oc option 😎

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well tbf only 3 skill builds are worth it imo, FI healer, EP CC and fire.

[patent elm]

What attribute do we want on lmgs? I always thought dta but I've read a lot about rof or even crit chance

[hexed steppe]

Ofc. Those are probably the only useful skillbuilds for speedrunning..

[vestal ibex]

I never use EP in anything speed related personally. I use them in open world/random team stuff.

[tulip charm]

Wow mortar dis is crazy

😠

[blissful sphinx]

am i not supposed to get armor back on kill with scorpio?

[hexed steppe]

League speeds ep fire

[vestal ibex]

League speeds=/=speeds

[hexed steppe]

Only if you're running aok, like with gunner or hunters fury or something with an aok attribute

[vestal ibex]

Bro has 4 pc hunters.

should get 20% AOK but idk game is riddled with bugs right now.

Oh wait gunner makes it 30%. Should get thicc boi armor from that.

HF is only 50% HOK now tho.

[hexed steppe]

Besides the point. It's where it's most useful.

[vestal ibex]

Well the point I'm trying to make is speed running is a vastly different thing for you and I hence the need for a distinction. It's a great build for leagues but imo that's not speed running.

[hexed steppe]

I'm aware of the distinction.
I dont speedrun and never claimed to.

Should give yourself another shot at mortar in regular content. You dont get a ton of build diversity in speeds since everything is so specific

[blissful sphinx]

am i able to research this or something so i can get full god roll?

[vestal ibex]

I've got instant explosions so I'm good. I've never liked skill builds and I probably never will.

[hexed steppe]

Explains a lot 😉

[hexed steppe]

You can optimize the attributes to max

[blissful sphinx]

i need to optmise so much shit and i have no good way of getting the resources for it lmao

[hexed steppe]

Just play the game and level. You dont need everything maxed out immediatly

Those resources will stack up the more you do. Once you get a high level you can run another agent through wony for extra watch resources

[blissful sphinx]

all im doing is countdown rn and im getitng no optimize resources from it

[hexed steppe]

You'll have to diversify your activities. Run a bunch of open world activities and bounties

[blissful sphinx]

yh but thats the thing

im running countdown to get the gear required to run the open world activites and bounties

[hexed steppe]

Better xp with that stuff too

Your Hf build is fine for openworld

You should see the trash ppl run sometimes, inspect when you matchmake.

you're in a really good spot build wise

[blissful sphinx]

challenging or heroic ow?

[hexed steppe]

Whatever you're comfortable in

Do challenging first and when it gets trivial bump it up to heroic

[blissful sphinx]

any sort of objectives or no

[hexed steppe]

Just hover over different things and you'll see the rewards. I would do a bit of everything. All the invaded stuff, daily/weekly project stuff

Challenging control points are also really good for xp and blueprints. Some of those blueprints with be for the optimization mats as well 😉

[blissful sphinx]

alright cheers

[rich cosmos]

What are some of the new guns that got good buffs that are worth trying out

[dreamy valve]

Whut weapon you like

[shy willow]

G36, l86, RPK, ACR apparently

[rich cosmos]

Whats the l86 again?

[shy willow]

Lmg

[rich cosmos]

Rpk might be nice to try I guess

[wise swallow]

Question for nerds. in terms of actual DPS how much stronger is intim then obliterate. assume both are fully stacked

[shy willow]

From what I remember of what dien said, the stacks multiply with themselves

[wise swallow]

they changed it the talent tho no?

also i just wanna know how much difference it actually makes cuz oblit is quite a bit more reliable

so if the DPS increase is big enough ill go intim but if its only a little bit im just stickgin with oblit

[dreamy valve]

Wait for global events, they give a lot of resources

Or just scum alt once you have higher shd

[shy willow]

9 stacks max 3 stacks per second each stack is 4 percent twd

Except it's not actually

It's something like (1.04)^9

So you get more than described

[wise swallow]

so is not much better then?

[shy willow]

25 percent twd Vs 42 percent you need to stack with bonus armour

[onyx sage]

intimidate is 42% increase

it's busted

[shy willow]

Does perf intim just stack faster or give more damage

[final orchid]

Is st elmo still the go to AR for striker? Ive been seeing people saw capicitor / EB is good now?

[shy willow]

Capacitor and EB are really nice options

Saint elmo is alright but you only really use it for the mods

[final orchid]

Is capacitor obtainable through countdown? I believe EB is a raid or DZ exclusive right?

[hushed gorge]

Yes and yes

[tulip charm]

Cap first from summit then general loot pool and yes

[final orchid]

Explain the first half

you have to get it first from Summit? I have only done a dozen summit levels

[shy willow]

Theres a challenge within summit

The ascent ones i believe

One rewards you with a guaranteed capacitor

[final orchid]

Ah okay thank you I will take a look then

[magic pilot]

More dmg

[shy willow]

Ahh

[magic pilot]

Not sure if it's worth the brand loss but I think it is

[onyx sage]

more damage

but 4% more only

[magic pilot]

So not worth over ceska or grupo?

[onyx sage]

it's low enough that ceska would beat it but would probably win over grupo

just quick maths tho (assuming 50 chc 117 chd), don't quote me on that

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

[onyx sage]

if it was PTS 1 where each stack was 5% then it would be a 5% increase (because perfect intim has 10 instead of 9 max stacks)

then it'd be worth but 4% is low enough to not be worth losing ceska

[empty kiln]

Why capacitor for strikers over HE AR with flatline? The 7.5% wd per yellow core is less than the 15% from a red core and it doesn't have any other dmg talents

Unless there's some weird use case where you build a yellow core striker set bc the capacitor bonus is amp instead of TWD but I don't think that's the case

[solar token]

howdy agents, i'm coming back to this game after a lengthy hiatus and i'm trying to put together a build that'll let me not be completely useless in a raid or incursion, does anyone have any words of wisdom

[grizzled sedge]

I found that a St. Elmo’s Engine with Strikers worked best for me, with everything set as strikers but the chest and mask (for incursions, not raids)

That’s also w/ the unbreakable talent on the chest and coyote’s mask, tho I’m not sure my setup is the most optimal but the damage is respectable nonetheless

As for raids, probably not striker

[empty kiln]

Striker is still great in raids

Pinned spreadsheet has all the meta builds both for raids and general play

[solar token]

i forgot rule number one, always check pins

it's been years lol, it looks like i started a chatterbox coyote build but i've completely forgotten how everything works

[grizzled sedge]

Does it also have an Eagle Bearer build taking into consideration the buffs it received as of the recent update? I’d like to finally make use of the weapon

[empty kiln]

Eagle bearer is just an AR you can kinds throw into most red builds

[rich cosmos]

As of today yes its good

[empty kiln]

There aren't many builds around specific weapons, with a few exceptions like regulus and other HH builds

[rich cosmos]

The buff to rpm and the third attribute change makes it good

[grizzled sedge]

What about blue cores such as for DZ

[empty kiln]

There's a pvp build guide in the pinned spreadsheet

I think most use 2-3 blue cores and 3-4 red, but I don't play pvp

[muted hare]

Hey guys what’s a good secondary weapon or so? I’m running Elmo’s as my primary but I’m trying to fill my secondary slot with a good decent weapon that will get me thru most content

I have the vector sbr 45 but it feels eh

[grizzled sedge]

rock n roll acs12 is good for building stacks

[empty kiln]

Depends entirely on the build

[muted hare]

Dps build

[empty kiln]

Strikers typically an AA12 for stacks

[magic pilot]

What about them

[muted hare]

What about without striker build ? Just raw dps

[magic pilot]

Well Elmo's isn't great now either

Typically I use scorpio as a backup

[muted hare]

Elmo feels like I’m throwing paper at ppl tbh

[magic pilot]

It's a mid tier gun now

[muted hare]

Then any good Ars then?

[rich cosmos]

I mean, it didn’t get nerfed

Its still the same gun no?

[magic pilot]

It's mid because everything else got buffed

[magic pilot]

F2000

[muted hare]

Rolls and talent?

[magic pilot]

Strained Dtooc

[rich cosmos]

Elmos is good simply because of its drugged out stats so most people are still gonna use it

[magic pilot]

Or fast hands