td2-build-advice

[flint wave]

dps eclipse protocol

[hexed steppe]

dont rainbow an eclipse build

ninja also drops your damage potential considerably

[flint wave]

#how not to make a build in div2

[hexed steppe]

i would just suggest building a hunters fury at this point. memento or wicked bag, damage chest like ceska/grupo depending on need. youll get a cc effect from hunters plus all the armor on kill. and a ton of extra damage from the set bonus

[dry zealot]

thats the thing, i dont want hunters debuff nor armor on kill. i want to spread the plague worse than Pestilence

[hexed steppe]

you wont do it with that build

[onyx sage]

pestilence isn't a status effect

[flint wave]

run fire eclipse

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hexed steppe]

the thing with eclipse is it has to be strong to spread. or you have to have a team behind you if running cc eclipse. standard eclipse is very strong.
primarily using scorpio is going to be some weak status and it wont be enough to spread far... on the other hand on a hunters fury build, your scorpio will have a 20-45% amp damage behind it and when you kill disorient staggers everything around you ,making it easier to pick up more kills

go with a standard fire eclipse if you want to see the world burn, youll be much more satisfied

[dreamy valve]

Shame they nerfed the eclipse spread range a few patches ago

[hollow pasture]

Wasn't that years ago

[dreamy valve]

Now it is I think

[hollow pasture]

That was 2020 I feel like

[dreamy valve]

I think that was the backpack fix

[hollow pasture]

I remember they nerfed smth with eclipse in 2020 but my memory fails me rn

[dreamy valve]

You used to be able to use the eclipse backpack talent with just the backpack piece for a good while

There were some interesting builds that came out of that

[hexed steppe]

It's still stupid strong...

[vestal ibex]

Ep stong

[dreamy valve]

yeah

[pastel pasture]

is there a cap for skill repair on the FI build?

[vestal ibex]

I mean yeah there is a limit to how much repair you can put into a build but it's just overkill considering how much heals you provide and how much armor people have. Alps is bait and not worth vs using the named backpack "setup" too.

At the end of the day it really depends on the content and quality of players you are healing. Running out of chems all the time? You should put more haste on. Always have 3+ chems and never run out? Could put more repair if you want.

[pastel pasture]

Right now I have 4 piece skill repair on all the FI I just wanted to make sure I didnt go over the cap

Also it doesnt show up in the stats sections?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah there is no cap like on CHC, feel free to stack or tune it however you'd like.

[hexed glen]

Killer or fast hands on famas?

[junior surge]

Strained in most cases tbh

[hexed glen]

ohh right how tf did i miss that 😄

[hollow pasture]

Fast hands

Personally

[flint wave]

Optimist
personally

[hollow pasture]

Shield Splinterer gaming soon

Honestly before I started using fast hands on Famas I used burn out

For the longest time
Think it was because the first Famas I ever got was that and was fully max rolls

[pastel pasture]

Nice no baselines means i can tune to me or my group(mods if I have them on me)

[wise swallow]

strained over optimist?

[junior surge]

On a full red build yeah. When you're running a bunch of blue cores, optimist is better

[sudden fog]

i got a striker and 1 shot sniper build what are others good builds to have on hand

[wise swallow]

Hb can be fun, a basic high end red build is good to have

Umbra is fun too

Hunters fury

[random sigil]

I like the hybrid red/yellow drone/turret build, HB, and eclipse status builds. If you like rifles (not MMRs) the high end red build is strong but extremely squishy. ND if you wanna deal with groups faster over strikers.

Question on the Red hybrid FI healer build. Is it good for general matchmade groups, or is it better just to not use healer build unless in organized/raid group?

[onyx sage]

is it good for general matchmade groups

not really, it's good if your teammates do their due diligence to keep their armor up and can heal themselves. red FI's benefits are that you also deal substantial damage by going into damage, but sacrificing a lot of healing

is it better just to not use healer build unless in organized/raid group

you definitely can use the classic yellow FI in any activity, the damage buff and healing is always appreciated, unless your team just doesn't meet the dps floor. red FI is what you should only run in high skill teams

[random sigil]

Ah okay, for the red FI, is the healing so low that it's generally not as good? how would a more hybrid build do with something like Ninjabike and picaros with technician to get more yellow cores without sacrificing too many damage cores?

[onyx sage]

it's a case of minmaxing if you will; if you know your team is good enough and just want to squeeze out some damage, consider it

you can still heal with red FI, it's still high enough if you make use of the quadratic-scaling from healing close party members

[random sigil]

ah okay. I had the wrong impression then. I thought it was more of a combat medic build where you could provide some healing without completely giving up on your own damage.

[urban latch]

I've used the red FI in legendaries with randoms. The main draw back is if your teams damage isn't great then your better off running more typical DPS build. In lower difficulties I'd rather just run a normal difficulty.

[random sigil]

Got it, I'll just have to double check people's builds before attempting to use it with randoms then.

[onyx sage]

it's better to run a variant of blue striker where you use vanguard or galvanize to buff their bonus armor tbh, and you don't have to go out of your way to do this, just kapow with scorpio and use a shield

[urban latch]

If you've got 3 people running strikers for example you group would likely improve as a whole with 1 on red FI

[random sigil]

mmm, yeah I see several players do this.

[urban latch]

I'd disagree, I'd much rather have red FI than any kind of tank

[random sigil]

got it, might not be that bad then since 99% of players generally run strikers

[urban latch]

Red FI isn't about survivability, it's the best group DPS support build in the game that can also contribute to DPS itself

[onyx sage]

i just don't see red FI being that strong if you play with randoms since they play a lot more carelessly than organized groups, but in terms of damage it is hands down the best buffer variant out there

i personally run that with my clan for example, but not with randoms

[random sigil]

yeah, i cna see that, and they genrally don't stick close enough to make use of the quad scaling for healing

[urban latch]

Yeah, it's debatable for sure in 4 man groups where you don't need any healing. Where it really shines is 8 man groups in situations where you otherwise wouldn't be running a healer.

[onyx sage]

i agree, in 8 man it really shines a lot better

[random sigil]

hmmm, okay, I was farming for it, but now i'm not sure if it's even worth since I haven't even done any raids or anything

[urban latch]

Ive used it in legendaries because having some healing, plus the dps boost for the team is both very helpful, but you generally don't need the full healer, so the DPS from red FI helps out

[onyx sage]

it's a good build to have on hand

[urban latch]

It's fun ending a mission running red FI and leading in kills/damage lol

[onyx sage]

yeah definitely. i'm just writing long disclaimers about red FI scaling heavily with team skill

but i am in full support of it

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, I think i will farm it. I like the idea.

[onyx sage]

in 4 man at least

in 8 man it's really strong

[random sigil]

side note, what backpack do you usually use when you go red FI?

[onyx sage]

it depends, mostly opportunistic or vigilance

[urban latch]

Depending on what your doing, memento is also quite nice

[random sigil]

opportunistic would have to be put on like a ceska or groupo right?

or would you use the setup?

[onyx sage]

preferably setup

[random sigil]

I had thought of using ninjabike with picaro's and providence, but i know losing the backpack talent SUCKS

[bright raptor]

yeah a while back I was theorycrafting the idea of a red FI with Picaro's that worked with Future Perfect(ion) so you'd have 3 or so skill tiers, the Memento bonuses, and the ability to overcharge those skills

although I never figured out if I was giving up too much crit damage for the gimmick

[hexed steppe]

is the setup blueprint still available from heroic controlpoints? i dont remember ever seeing a fix for that

[onyx sage]

i actually don't know

[bright raptor]

yes, it drops over and over even

[random sigil]

I think so, I got it the other day, but i don't remember if that was from descent or CP

[hexed steppe]

nice, it woulda been control point

[bright raptor]

when it does drop that is, I got it inside the loot crate from one again

[hexed steppe]

thats like a unicorn piece for quite a few builds. utilize it and save yourself a bunch of farming

[random sigil]

I crafted quiiiiite a few. all garbage rolls lol

[hollow pasture]

Or ep cc foam

I actually run cc ep foam with a healing hive and btsu gloves

[hexed steppe]

opportunistic, sledge, scorpio cc eclipse adds a lot of team buffs. would be interesting to add btsu/ hive to it tho, ngl

[sudden fog]

what do u use for healer build

[vestal ibex]

Healer build

[onyx sage]

Healer build

[vestal ibex]

heal me uwu

[onyx sage]

omg...

[iron moat]

What’s he best stuff on a famas

[surreal depot]

chameleon

[weary pier]

thats defo the profile pic of a chameleon enjoyer

[tawdry flare]

God mode activated

[hidden copper]

Just recently hit 40 and have been playing turret/drone successfully. Got a St Elmo's to drop yesterday and I'm curious about trying another build. What's an easy build to put together?

[shy willow]

Strikers

[visual plover]

Hop in countdown and put together a strikers set

[wise glen]

i just finished warlords campaign and lvl 40 and got my 1st shd level, any particular build/items can help me so i try to go for them? i play solo mostly because havent found an active beginner friendly clan yet.

[acoustic coral]

In a similar fashion

[livid dawn]

huh

where to see the optuiong like that.

[acoustic coral]

press m while in the inventory

[livid dawn]

yea but im french so u wont understand?

lemme put in englishrq

[acoustic coral]

It's fine, stats are in the same order

[livid dawn]

i have the "sweet dreams" spas 12 too

[acoustic coral]

And the build/your gear

[livid dawn]

all gear??

[acoustic coral]

Just an overview like I sent

[livid dawn]

mb sir i didnt understood

[acoustic coral]

npnp

[livid dawn]

here

[livid bridge]

how do you only have 4.9% crit chance

is it a skill build?

[acoustic coral]

The reason you aren't doing any damage, is because you don't have an actual build. No harm in that. I would 100% recommend getting the striker's build together, something like mine, but you don't NEED the mask / st. elmo to start feeling the damage.

Don't worry about getting fully optimized gear - just get the gear.
4pc striker, grupo chest (preferably with obliterate talent), ceska mask. Aim for as much CHC and CHD as you can.

[hexed steppe]

and use some red main cores

[acoustic coral]

Yeah. Best defense is a good offense. Kill or get killed

local, carry me through IH. didn't have the tenacity to find a spot yesterday

[livid bridge]

heartbreaker or striker are both very friendly to new players as builds. Strikers for pure damage. Heartbreaker if you like damage and survivability, but of course heartbreaker doesnt do as much damage as a pure striker build

[livid bridge]

THIS until you dont have a healer lol. ive seen too many straight offense players get melted by elites in countdown

[livid dawn]

what is chc and chd?

[acoustic coral]

crit chance and crit damage

[livid bridge]

beat me to it lol

[acoustic coral]

well he did ask me 😎

[hexed steppe]

i had Souless carry me through IH recently 😂

he knows all they guys with the biggest shoulders 😉

[acoustic coral]

I just need to get it done, I'm not useless in there, but I'm not asking for much responsibility either. I liked how I did it last time, DPS on first boss, chunga clear on top second, add control on third and HH on fourth.

[livid dawn]

and how to upgrade that

[bright raptor]

get gear pieces with those as a stat roll or brand bonus

[pastel pasture]

Do you get better rolls, the higher the difficulty + directives + friends?

[acoustic coral]

Difficulty determines the minimum an attribute can roll, which will overall give you higher rolls - but you can get a godroll on normal.
Directives affects the chance of the Targeted Loot spawning alongside other loot - Targeted Loot cannot drop on its own.

[livid dawn]

is it better to steal or open dark zone loot
the drop thing yk

[acoustic coral]

no clue, I don't go into the Dark Zone

[acoustic coral]

Don't overcomplicate it. In the sheets you'll find a build guide for Striker's and Heartbreaker, go farm it, solo, on the highest difficulty you can - get the gear I described, and then slowly get better and better gear.

[livid dawn]

ok ty

[livid dawn]

where the sheet ? i dont find it in pinned message

only dps calcualtor

[acoustic coral]

it's the first link in the pinned message

"Link to The Spreadsheet 2"

[vestal ibex]

I'm gonna be doing lfg raids soon

[lunar kindle]

If you truly want a good roll on striker, count down heroic is the place to go. Often times you’ll find a team that will carry and good loot will drop with the right rolls. Plus you get currency to spend on them exotic caches ;). I run a striker crit build, chest, bag gloves knee pads, then coyotes mask and picaros holster for a little armor. It does alright. Wouldn’t say it’s the best. But it gets by.

[lunar kindle]

Where are these sheets. Wouldn’t mind looking at a build sheet for striker, myself.

Nvm lol

[cinder gazelle]

It doesn't make a difference. If people are nearby they will shoot you if you steal it

[livid dawn]

only premium thing drop

[acoustic coral]

Oi, count me in! Atleast ping me, unsure if I can stay for the full thing, got a family member that's not so well, waiting for updates

[acoustic coral]

Countdown is a good place to get loot, because you get a lot of it, but get a working gear set from open world/missions/summit first.

[livid dawn]

man only premiumt hing drop

[acoustic coral]

what do you mean?

[livid dawn]

like no exotic drop

i only have premium thing trash drop

[acoustic coral]

High-End? Yellow gear?
Exotics can drop from anything - but countdown is good because you can farm targeted loot and then easily buy exotic caches aswell

[livid dawn]

yea

[livid dawn]

yea that why i wann do it

heroic or challenging ?

[acoustic coral]

Put together a build first

[livid dawn]

bro how

u said heartbreaker thing wtf is that

[acoustic coral]

By playing the game bro

[livid dawn]

i only drop premium

[acoustic coral]

It's important you call it high-end first of all

[glossy scarab]

isnt premium purple

[acoustic coral]

That's superior - could be a translation to premium tho

[glossy scarab]

oh yea thank you

[acoustic coral]

Farm the following in either Summit via targeted loot or in the open world/missions that has the gear right now:

• Striker Holster
• Striker Kneepads
• Striker Gloves
• Striker Backpack
• Ceska Chest
• Grupo Mask
• An assault rifle

Striker is in Federal Emergency Bunker, Ceska is in DCD Headquarters and Grupo is in Constitution Hall - you'll quickly get it.

Once you have that, you can work on optimizing it, getting the correct and good rolls on the pieces, aswell as talents.

[livid dawn]

thanks man

[hushed saddle]

Is there an excel on the builds and weapons they have made like in division 1?

[acoustic coral]

Look in the pinned in this channel! :3

[hushed saddle]

Oh.

[hushed saddle]

Thanks! I missed seeing this from the division 1.

[acoustic coral]

No worries, it's a fantastic resource!

[livid dawn]

btw rudolph

why ceska chest and grupo mask

why not striker chest and striker mask

[acoustic coral]

You only need 4 striker pieces for the set bonus. You can use striker chest in raids, but it's not needed.
Gear pieces only have one attribute (the thing we recalibrated together), high-end pieces have two attributes - so you get more crit chance and damage in total. That's also why specifically you want ceska and grupo

[livid dawn]

oa lright

thaks

[junior surge]

The nice thing about having grup mask and ceska chest is also that you can replace grupo mask for coyotes when you eventually get that.

[livid dawn]

btw @acoustic coral

here it typed "3 rewaredes waiting" just under the case

where to claim them

nvmù

nvm rudolp

[acoustic coral]

You found out 😉

[livid dawn]

i didnt saw the entire message mb lol

yea mb for bothering

[acoustic coral]

Also, get used to looking around the map for it - no worries

[livid dawn]

and btw

that season gold bullet yk

where to see the challenge to collect the stars?

[livid dawn]

is it good @acoustic coral ?

[shy willow]

Backfire isn't very good

But I will say it is quite fun on anything hazpro related

[livid dawn]

what the best submachine to get FROM exotic cache?

[shy willow]

Uhh off the top there aren't any best exotic submachine guns

The exception is ouro but that's the incursion

Chatterbox can be quite fun though

Not sure if that one only enters your pool after you collect the pieces

Actually it probably does

[hexed steppe]

Backfire

[livid dawn]

yoo @acoustic coral

should i remplace the striker thing

but i put striker mask instead?

[junior surge]

Grupo mask is gonna be better than ninjabike kneepads like 99% of the time

[shy willow]

There's like no situation where ninjabike knees are better than any of the typical dps brands

Even with backfire like just why

[junior surge]

With backfire you can skip the reload

[hexed steppe]

If it isnt in this list @livid dawn , then no... just work on what's suggested first

[junior surge]

But that's like one of the few niche cases where it does anything

[livid dawn]

mhm

[junior surge]

And backfire is pretty underwhelming to start with, so eh

[livid dawn]

i only have tha

[shy willow]

Backfire could theoretically be bonkers

But that bleed kills it

[junior surge]

If the stacks didn't dissappear so fast aswell

like a minute of stacking gone after 5 seconds

[shy willow]

Yeah 10 seconds is wild

[hexed steppe]

2 more days of free use backfire, no bleed in GB if you dont reload 🤔

[rich cosmos]

That do be the gimmick I just think they messed up by making that damage bleed damage, it increases so fast that you might as well be getting shot at

[shy willow]

You see if we had reclaimer I bet everyone and their mom would use backfire

[rich cosmos]

Plus the stacks don’t stay long right?

[shy willow]

Nah they disappear hella fast

[rich cosmos]

Too much work for what you could be getting from a striker build

[junior surge]

Backfire imo is a way of getting some damage on a hazpro build. But the ticks are still annoying even on 100% hazpro, and the damage is eh

[shy willow]

Yeah it's nice in niche use cases like diag

[junior surge]

And almost any tank build wants either scorpio or ravenous as exotic weapons imo

[wise patio]

More like crapfire

[junior surge]

Even there, scorpio is just better imo.

[shy willow]

We just use it to help dps lava on our team

[rich cosmos]

Still waiting for the day ridgeways gets a range buff

[shy willow]

Ridgeways is like this close to greatness

Like that shit on an ND build would go wild

[rich cosmos]

Legitimately just increase its range by 5 or 10 meters

The gimmick simply doesn’t work because you have to be closer to the enemies, and at that point you might as well be running memento

[wise swallow]

Eh even with more range idk. The regen still feels very weak

[junior surge]

I think ridgeways problem is that that close nobody wants to just shoot an enemy and then ignore him and tirn to the next. You'll want to burst people one at a time at that range otherwise you get beamed.

At medium range you can afford to switch targets, but at super close range it's super weird

[shy willow]

Give it more range and we ball

[rich cosmos]

It would be an awesome exotic if it just had better range

[junior surge]

Maybe it doesn't need a range restriction at all tbh

Just tone down the max regen, and remove range restriction entirely

Then run it on an lmg nego build

[rich cosmos]

I would love to use ridgeways on stuff if that were the case, would be hella sick

[shy willow]

Yeah first thing that came to mind was ND

Carnage perhaps

Wait does galvanise stack with ridgeway

[rich cosmos]

I just want a reason to use different exotics already

[shy willow]

Imma be jumping right off Elmo when EB gets buffed

[wise swallow]

Eb supremacy

Who needs regen when you have 70% dmg reduction

Gonna have to restart the EB cult

[livid dawn]

what is EB

[shy willow]

Come to think of it EB isn't even that far behind elmo

It's mods are like the exact same just slightly lower values

And considering you get a real talent with EB

Definitely gonna replace Elmo with EB

[shy willow]

Eagle bearer

[rich cosmos]

I was planning on it but truthfully I just use elmos because of the stats and visual look, if I want to use eb I definitely gotta put a handling mod on it

[wise swallow]

Doesn’t have chc no?

[rich cosmos]

Eb has 10% crit chance I think

[shy willow]

It has weapon handling an extended mag and crit chance for sure

[rich cosmos]

15% chd

[shy willow]

Ah yeah so same mods just lower

[rich cosmos]

I just don’t like the handling of eb

[shy willow]

Oddly enough I like the way it feels tbh

Especially when you get a crispy headshot

[wise swallow]

My eb is always 10% lower then my famas but maybe tripping

[rich cosmos]

Man, it really is wild how after this massive update project resolve, something that pretty much lead to the delay of the dlc, that a lot of exotics are still mediocre at best

[wise swallow]

When is tu whatever again?

Monday?

[rich cosmos]

Update is on Tuesday

Stream on Monday

[wise swallow]

Ah

[rich cosmos]

Praying for the apparel event and season pass to be good

[shy willow]

I hope the speculation is true and we do get an lmb outfit

[rich cosmos]

I mean its not speculation

[shy willow]

Well the gear itself has the logo on it and all

Just dk whether the season pass outfit will be a proper uniform

[rich cosmos]

I want to know what we are getting for the second season pass outfit

Because we already had a remastered D1 outfit and a reskinned D2 outfit

[sullen night]

Anyone running Memento with a Striker's build? Or is that never worth? If so, are you running the striker chest or a high end one?

[gentle bramble]

so I was watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuVHslmIESQ&t=120s and kidna made it work, but it needs some specially lucky rolls I guess? Since you need a bunch of Hunter's with armor cores so you kinda need to find the HSD rolls on it. Unless I am doing something terribly wrong.
Also apparently this creator has a contentious story here, since I searched for the name and boy it escalated quickly on some posts.
Question is: any tips to make/farm something like this? I was able to do most challenging open map stuff with one shotting/chaining people, but CP4 with the elites and named with a lot of armor didn't work at all 😄

Also I am not totally sure that Protection from Elite mods exist

[red flame]

i guess you're new
mostly countdown is the best place to farm for these - you just have to set the target loot on Hunter's fury
P.S.didn't watched the video

[red flame]

i don't really advise putting striker chest for open-world activities (unless you've got REALLY fast RPM guns like ouroboros)
as for back pack it's a trade of some sort:
-with striker you'll get better DPS and you can deal like 100% more damage max
-with memento aside from 65 percent from striker, you'll get 30 percent base from memento and 30 for 10 sec after picking a trophy (not to mention armor and skill bonuses)

in general memento seems better but you need to know that you can't always go in the middle of a fight and pick that trophy

[urban latch]

I would just completely avoid that YT channel, just massive amounts of bad info from him

[bright raptor]

you barely do any damage with that setup from Challenging up and will die anyway for that reason

Alert Level 4 scales the enemies to Heroic amounts of health and damage output, so unsurprisingly it creamed you

[urban latch]

Use this hunters fury guide instead

[acoustic coral]

Here's the thing - the build is an alternative one, but from looking at it - it should work. But with GB and 4 directives (can't be bothered with pistolero) I clear a CP in 3-5 minutes with strikers. I do wanna give it a try.

[bright raptor]

the video setup is "what if the Determined + Headhunter HF setup had all blue cores"

[livid dawn]

did all

[acoustic coral]

But, in all honesty, might not work without the extra bonus from expertise lol

[sullen night]

@red flame thx for advice

[sullen sun]

Is scanner amplified dmg with spotter?

And the laser pointer

[tawdry flare]

You mean the overcharged scanner ?

[sullen sun]

Just the regular scanner pulse

[tawdry flare]

Yes the scanner works with flatline

And spotter

[sullen sun]

Fenris w spotter or ceska?

[tawdry flare]

Low on crit => ceska using Ar => fenris

[sullen sun]

Thought so

[sullen sun]

What if I’m both lol

[tawdry flare]

Use both

[sullen sun]

Would Coyote make up for not having Ceska?

[tawdry flare]

Coyote will not be reliable compared to ceska

[sullen sun]

Bc of the talent?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause the CHC will depend on range so get to to 50-55% CHC before using coyote

[sullen sun]

Good to know

[main socket]

Does anyone have a nice striker build

[gentle bramble]

Yeah that’s what I thought. Also the perfect rolls everywhere

[tulip charm]

Pinned comment

[livid bridge]

im pretty sure thats the most asked comment here

[gentle lichen]

Rightfully so. Striker's is just like that

[violet beacon]

Guys have a question what is the best gear set best for armor regen build 2.0 million or 2.1 maybe 2.2 million? I was told use Four piece Foundry and two piece yahl chest with unbreakable and yahl aderlin rush or maybe use the catharsis mask. And use technician but I don’t know that build works really well on PC dz

[wise swallow]

tank builds without cava and tardi are shit in DZ

[shy willow]

Idk who recommended foundry 😭

[violet beacon]

Cava? Cavalier?

[violet beacon]

I’ve seen it once and the guy was hard to put down

[shy willow]

He will not be putting you down however

[shy willow]

Yes

[violet beacon]

I’ll try four piece cavalier with armor regen and I guess two piece yahl chest and backpack? Decoy and drone shield

[wise swallow]

tardigrade

full shield

can use yhaal ig

use tardigrade on any non DPS build

[gentle bramble]

How does people survive with strikers?

I feel I am made of paper

[shy willow]

Crusader shield and playing around cover

[hazy steeple]

If you find yourself in need of some self-heals, you could always try throwing on the Gunner Spec Tree with it, since it has 10% AoK (armour on kill).
for the rest of it, make sure you're using a shield with it, and learning the spawns is rather important.
If all else fails, throw on a couple of blue cores, it still kills stuff fast on 2/4 with red favour.

[tulip charm]

Kill everything before it kills you

[gentle bramble]

Ah, the old sailor way

[tulip charm]

Basically

[gentle bramble]

youse keep insisting on this learn how to play thing while I just want a build that kills everything and never dies on any content and difficulty geez (that's a joke)

[tulip charm]

You probably have to go back to D1 for builds like that

You gotta give up one thing to do the other

[gentle bramble]

I'd rather die

[tulip charm]

In game right? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[random sigil]

Shield peaking. and like someone else said, use a couple blue cores. worst case put 2 belstone for regen and more aok. OR Hearbreakers is a little tankier with a little less damage but its still strong.

[shy willow]

Classified strikers

[gentle bramble]

I have a HB build but I feel it doesn't compare damage wise to strikers, even my strikers being way more garbage than the HB (i've been playing HB for two weeks so it has better rolls)

[shy willow]

That'll be cuz it doesn't compare

HB chest is a must but that means losing obliterate

The only benefit is the bonus armour but you need to drop stacks for it to regenerate so it's pretty invalid

[onyx sage]

technically you can, if you're really good at headshots

the downside is if you miss more than a few you die

but once you get a few kills going you basically don't die

[shy willow]

HHF beloved

[wise swallow]

eagle bearer fits that

[flint wave]

hhf not beloved

[shy willow]

TL;DR headshots fix everything

[shy willow]

[tawdry flare]

Good luck doing that with the previous season manhunt

[shy willow]

[narrow tulip]

Thoughts?

[flint wave]

classic fresh out of NYC build

[hazy steeple]

My eyes hurt.

[flint wave]

with a tad bit of backup call loot

[hazy steeple]

being serious though, yeah using less than 4 pieces of a gearset (except for Hotshot, and that's 3) is the wrong call, and that's just one issue.

[narrow tulip]

Here’s the kicker

[hazy steeple]

A terrible piece on a bad build, it's a kicker in that using the build will get you kicked.

[narrow tulip]

Kicked?

[tawdry flare]

You got one of the worst exotic you could get

[hazy steeple]

Removed from the group via the host or people voting.

[narrow tulip]

I was given it

I’ll take what I can get

[hazy steeple]

It's worth keeping 1 copy in case something changes, but right now yeah Ninja-bag is something of a bad-build-fly trap.

[narrow tulip]

I was told to go for striker pieces and the wierd polish name gear pieces

[tawdry flare]

It is the knees

[narrow tulip]

And then I was the tkb was meta but the hun kicks too much

[hazy steeple]

@tawdry flare Both are equally awful.

[hazy steeple]

tkb is not meta.

I'm not sure who was feeding you this info but they may be slightly drunk.

[tawdry flare]

Famas M4 is Meta

Ars

[narrow tulip]

Police m4 or rifle m4

And then which famas

[hazy steeple]

police m4, rifles are kinda "eh" apart from like a few.

[tawdry flare]

There is only one famas tbh

[hazy steeple]

There is only one Famas.
the replica is identical to the base one, the named version just has a locked Talent.

Replica just means it was crafted, basically.

[narrow tulip]

Just run two assault rifles?

Then I got the born great, mechanical animal, the grudge, and the relic

[flint wave]

get an elmo

[hazy steeple]

Nope.
okay before you do anything else, you should install a google docs reader on your phone and open the "spreadsheet 2" that's 📌 pinned in this channel.
then just read the Striker build, it'll explain a lot.
we can answer questions later on.

[flint wave]

no need to farm for weapon attachments when the weapon already comes with the best attachments

[narrow tulip]

I’ll read it all the morning. I’m going to run fed emergency bunker to get me some striker gear but thank y’all

I’ll be back tomorrow to hopefully cause less pain

[hazy steeple]

Ah you're all good Agent, it's all in good fun and everyone here started off at 0.

[narrow tulip]

Then I got to run a bunch of countdown?

[weary pier]

strongest legendary solo build

[hoary atlas]

When i use this Build for PVE Just turned into Free Bird Mode with Team at Capitol Hills (Legendary Difficulty)

[gentle lichen]

Pretty much to get yourself most gear you're looking for

[sullen sun]

Does having chc on your sniper build matter?

Do you want it as high as you can?

[livid bridge]

your going for crit shots so it cant hurt

[onyx sage]

me too, but in a different way

[slate nest]

beautiful gameplay 👑

damn

aim 💯

[hoary atlas]

Did you just enter Free Bird Mode ?

[onyx sage]

i made them fly

[hoary atlas]

But also I'm want that Regulus 😭

If Play Raid Normal

[gentle lichen]

Did this line come from the recording software? I thought my monitor was acting up

[acoustic coral]

Sniper build? As in hotshot / headhunter? Because no, you only want headshot damage

[acoustic coral]

not me thinking the F2000 was an alternate version of the Famas 2010, but then I googled it, and it's a bullpup - nothing to do with Famas.
The replicas are just as good as the dropped versions?

[shy willow]

Yeah the f2000 was fn herstal and the FAMAS is french

[shy willow]

Replicas can be good but often they drop with very low rolls

[onyx sage]

which line?

on the right? that's my twitch chat log

[acoustic coral]

see, I love learning little tid bits here and there. I'm sure I looked it up once, afterall been playing shooters for 15 or so years. Also why it annoys me that there's an smg version of the aug, but it's cuz I always used it in CS

[acoustic coral]

Ah, alright. I thought the base damage was somehow lower or whatever - not that I've ever really needed to craft them, the game throws loot at you on heroic but good to know!

[shy willow]

iirc replicas scale off hard rolls so they can be absolutely pathetic

But you can get nice ones tho

[shy willow]

The very little I know about firearms is just from various shooter games lol

[acoustic coral]

lootcifer taketh (crash) and lootcifer giveth, opened some named caches after, go the gift for my HH build with nice stats too

NOO IM A FUCKING ADHD DINGUS

[onyx sage]

ideally you don't want gift but it's nice if you are low shd

[acoustic coral]

I rolled HSD to weapon handling instead of the CHD

[onyx sage]

rip

[acoustic coral]

[onyx sage]

now you live with chc/chd gift

[acoustic coral]

I mean, is it usable like that? For other builds ofc

[latent bough]

Is the st elmo still gonna be the most played AR after resolve update ?

[onyx sage]

for high end crit build yeah

[acoustic coral]

alright, to the stash it goes then 😢

[onyx sage]

for mmr builds you want airaldi or habsburg

for the backpack brand

[acoustic coral]

I was so happy getting back from the countdown crash to open the gift, and I..... I did the typical ADHD-PI thing of rushing with the dopamine and making a mistake

[acoustic coral]

look man, I just wanted it to complete the guide from the sheet, that's all

[onyx sage]

for actual completeness you'd want it to be dropped by someone else, because then it'd actually be a gift

so getting it yourself already failed that

[acoustic coral]

fuck that's 5Head - would require me to go to DZ tho

I was gifted it by lootcifer cuz countdown crash

[onyx sage]

all jokes aside good luck

[acoustic coral]

all good my friend, might reach out for actual advice when I get my reggie and start playing around with HH builds again. Just wanted to share my frustration - and it was my own fault 🥹

[weary pier]

gigachad interface

[sullen night]

Are there any "tanky" builds that still perform somewhat well in terms of DPS or do you basically go all dps, nothing else in most builds?

[glossy scarab]

eh i mean you could try strikers with however many armor cores you want

but there has to be a trade off for tankiness and you gotta pay it with dps

[junior surge]

Striker with some blue cores, memento and maybe pfe mods is very good. Hunters fury with 2-4 blue cores and memento is also great. Thise builds are somewhat tanky but still offer great damage for solo content.

[sullen night]

For solo I use obliterate fenris, elmo, memento and 4 piece strikers and it feels great, but I already got called clown when using it in random matchmaking heroic summit, so I thought it might not be a good idea for group play perhaps

[buoyant perch]

eh, it's still OK for heroic, your teammates were being toxic

the fenris could be switched to ceska tho

[sullen night]

swap fenris to ceska and then replace 2 CHC for 2 CHD rolls/mods I assume? or is headshot damage or something else even better?

[buoyant perch]

yup, swap excessive CHC to CHD

[sullen night]

Ultimately the thing I would like to play most in group is a support/buff/heal build, but no idea what's possible/useful in that regard in division 2 yet

[glossy scarab]

you will absolutely be judged by your build

[sullen night]

Roger ty

[blissful sphinx]

anyone able to lmk if this is still viable?

havent played in ages so not sure if this set still is good or not

[rich lotus]

For PvE, sure. I know the Kingbreaker has good damage, but I just don't like it's handling. My personal preference is M4 or Carbine 7 with flatline.

[buoyant perch]

I would swap to techinician for the pulse mod mainly to pulse robots

[blissful sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7n2qg2Wxjw imma just change up and copy this exactly

seems to be good

[rich lotus]

Here's a tweak I like to run. The reason I'm running with Fenris and Bloodsucker is it gives a little better survivability. You see when Heartbreaker stacks are max you won't get more bonus armour, if I recall correctly. With Bloodsucker, as long as you get a kill, it will refresh. Sometimes I also swap the gloves for a red core piece that I managed to farm.

[blissful sphinx]

should i stick with current build or swap to this? @rich lotus

[rich lotus]

It depends on your play style to be honest. Hunter's Fury is a great set but it's also catered to face trade/up close playing style.

[blissful sphinx]

i prefer running and gunning but im really not sure how i played my old build

cant even remember

[rich lotus]

At any rate, the Heartbreaker setup you have is a good start regardless till you get the feel for it.

[blissful sphinx]

and i would still need to farm 5/6 pieces anyway cuz they arent god rolled yet

[hexed steppe]

You can only use max 4 pieces of a gearset.
You only use max 3 pieces of a brand.
Anything above is waste and not helpful.

[blissful sphinx]

no i mean

[hexed steppe]

Usually setup is 4 gearset , 2 high end.

Or 4 gearset , 1 exotic, 1 highend

[blissful sphinx]

i need to farm them 5 pieces

[glossy scarab]

i mean you can use 5 or 6 pieces of a gear set if you wanted but it makes no sense

[blissful sphinx]

godroll

[hexed steppe]

They could if they were stupid...

[glossy scarab]

or new. dont forget new

[hexed steppe]

That's bs. Already here for advice... it's in the realm of stupid at this point

[glossy scarab]

man. remember when people were real excited to get ninja bike bag and then it turned out to be a dud

[hexed steppe]

Ppl still excited...

[hexed steppe]

You can farm as many as you like but dont use more than 4 or shooting yourself in the foot

[glossy scarab]

yeah i get random no name youtubers in my feed a lot and i check their builds for fun. ninjabag turns up a lot

[blissful sphinx]

u dont get what i mean, from the ss i sent all the pieces of gear in there from my build

i need to get the others to godroll

im not using 5/6 of the same set

[blissful sphinx]

this is it

[hexed steppe]

You would be surprised the amount that do...

Drop fox's for a ceska vigilance bag and you'll do a ton more damage

[glossy scarab]

yeah. backpack is a little unnecessary when you have that much armor

[blissful sphinx]

im swapping to this anyway

[glossy scarab]

very good

[slate nest]

nice

memento my beloved

[hexed steppe]

Strained/fasthands vector over the gimmick dark winter with perfect killer. Killer only has a chance to proc where strained/fasthands will always proc

[glossy scarab]

fast hands doesnt proc without crits tho right

so if you miss a whole mag worth of bullets the reload is normal lol

[bright raptor]

yep, so er... yeah, aiming is good

[glossy scarab]

my accuracy almost doubled when i replaced my 15 yr old dell mouse

[hexed steppe]

None of those 2 talents proc without crits... 🤷‍♂️

[hexed steppe]

If missing the whole mag there is way bigger problems than what talent to use ...

[tawny belfry]

Is weapon handlig capped?

[shy willow]

Ultimate noob honey pot

[cinder gazelle]

No but there is no point of passing 100 percent

[wooden finch]

EP spreads even if the target doesnt die to the actual status effect?

[shy willow]

Yes

[wooden finch]

perfect thank you

how worth is the chest talent

[shy willow]

Invaluable for EP

[winged raft]

so I'm new to the game and was looking at gear and stuff for what builds to make and while I know about striker, I wanted to focus on a status effect build with scorpion, ridgeway's pride, imperial dynasty holder and eclipse protocol and idk what for the other gun, would that be fine

[shy willow]

You cannot have more than one exotic weapon/gear piece at the same time

So ridgeways or imperial dynasty are gonna have to go

[winged raft]

oh

[shy willow]

Imperial dynasty is just shit and ridgeways isn't great

If you want status effects builds I suggest fire or riot foam crowd control

Bleed isn't worth building into on eclipse

[winged raft]

why not, what's wrong with bleed

[shy willow]

It does no damage and doesn't CC

[winged raft]

oh

is scorpio at least good though or does it not work with spreading

[shy willow]

It does, but the status effects it applies are really short

[winged raft]

what are some usual pieces for a status build

I was also thinking maybe ongoing director

[shy willow]

If you're going EP fire you want the bag and the chest along with vile and an electrique piece

All status effects/haste/(skill damage? I heard it double dips but you'll have to ask someone better than me)

For foam I run the courier and electrique instead

[winged raft]

what about ongoing directive? is the damage buff to bleed not good enough to make bleed good

[shy willow]

Nah

Ongoing directive is purely for the amp hollow points for your team

The bleed itself is useless

[winged raft]

oh

what makes vile good?

[shy willow]

Damage to status effected enemies worth half your grenade damage

[winged raft]

but then I can't use an exotic gun can I

[shy willow]

1 exotic gear piece

• 1 exotic gun

Use capacitor and something with in sync

Harmony or test subject

[winged raft]

what about pyromaniac

[shy willow]

In sync gives weapon damage + skill damage

[winged raft]

hmm, I thought the fire would come from guns and stuff not from skills

[sullen night]

Having a brain fart, how do people get bonus armor when running Hunter's Fury + Memento? Does the Armor on Kill just extend over your cap?

[wise swallow]

Memento gives bonus

Read the talent. Picking up a trophy gives 10% bonus armour per blue core

[hazy steeple]

@sullen night If you are ever unsure on what a Talent does, the spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel has them all listed, very useful.
It's where most of us get our info from, frankly.

[wise swallow]

Aok doesn’t go over cap unfortunately

[sullen night]

Ahh gotcha, I thought there was something proccing it on kill, tyvm

[weary pier]

run n gun build

[hazy steeple]

Emphasis on the run with the Lady Death, but if you ever want more gun just swap that one out but you honestly have a solid LZ build either way.

[blissful sphinx]

@hazy steeple

[hazy steeple]

Fairly standard build, although ceska is overall better Sokolov isn't terrible (although it's not a full 10%)

a lot of other smg's will work there, just a heads up. I use that build too but take an mp5.

actually something like that with strained on the gun will be overall stronger

[blissful sphinx]

you use mp5 with that same build?

[hazy steeple]

Yep, an n and an st, have one of each because 2 chars.

[blissful sphinx]

why dont u use ceska?

if its overall better

[hazy steeple]

I do, although right now I'm using it with Mad Bomber because it still works for me, but I like grenades.

the idea behind using ceska instead is pretty much that gearsets only have 1 attribute slot, so less for other stats.

[blissful sphinx]

whats the best gun to use with it

if you're using mp5 tho

eg this chatterbox will it work or not

[hazy steeple]

I'm using the mp5 mostly because I enjoy it, although it is a solid choice overall.
banshee, mp5, mpx, ouro, basically any similar smg with plenty of mod slots or good mods pre-installed.

[magic pilot]

Chatterbox will be strong next patch

Banshee is the top end of high end smg

If you go exotic get ouroboros

[blissful sphinx]

also whats the current best way to get the memento?

[magic pilot]

Farm backpack targeted loot

[weary pier]

whats LZ

[weary pier]

and open exo boxes

[sullen night]

@hazy steeple i just got a mp5a2 with strained and maxed out attributes, i assume the best attribute to recalibrate into is just damage out of cover?

(with the hunters fury build)

[hazy steeple]

yep, dtooc is pretty much always the best 3rd. nice find!

@weary pier old term for the open world map, meaning "light zone" (opposite of dark zone, yes its corny)

[sullen night]

ty 👍

[blissful sphinx]

assuming i just focus smg for that

[sullen night]

indeed

[blissful sphinx]

this it right

[weary pier]

Bro using a telephone booth to take his screenshots

[sullen night]

haha but yea

[blissful sphinx]

from a yt vid

vid was low quality

[wooden finch]

been experimenting with a fun CC type of build. Its not very good, nor am I finished with the exact pieces, but its pretty decent in group play and I personally really enjoy using it

mix of crit and status effect for the attributes, and pyromaniac once i get a new one

[livid dawn]

what mask is that sir

[wooden finch]

vile

[livid dawn]

ty sir

[wooden finch]

ive been experimenting on using that or trying other exotics its still in the planning stage

[jagged dune]

Coming back after a couple years. Good resource for updated skill build?

[tulip charm]

Pinned comment build sheet

[narrow tulip]

So is cmmg banshee the best smg?

Or should I run the grudge?

Cuz I’m thinking an smg/ar build

[tulip charm]

Not yet wait for update to confirm it. Grudge is meh.

[narrow tulip]

Okay

What are thoughts on firewall?

[tulip charm]

Its good if you play cqc

[narrow tulip]

I use it cuz I like how quick I can wipe patrols

Then I got a tsunami shotty. How does it stack up

And true patriot

[wide silo]

Is a Hard Wired Set with Seeker and Stinger Hive an actual useful Build in high end Content or more like a Meme Build?

[narrow tulip]

Back before I did WONY I had 4 pieces of tip of the spear and two of true patriot and that worked good cuz of extra ammo and passive sig ammo regen

[narrow tulip]

Is there a tier list of guns rn?

[sullen night]

I would wait until the new patch drops on tuesday, quite a lot of balance changes

But the pinned spreadsheet has a lot of weapon info

[narrow tulip]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

Should try a crit mask over vile since not running much status anyways

[wooden finch]

yeah that's what ive been considering

I like the CC from the burn duration tho. thats the main pull, with some combo of damage

[hexed steppe]

Meme. It definitely works for spam but its weaker than a high end version. You should check out the mortar explosive build 😉

[hexed steppe]

Just gotta figure what your getting for vile ticks and and see how it compares to increased crit.
You might consider using eletrique with glass as that will boost weapon damage, skill damage and tick strength.

Just thoughts tho, I'm sure you'll find the right mix for you

[wide silo]

I have read it has a high skill cap.
I am more of a newer Player and am not aware of all the enemy Spawns and such.
Can I still be successfull with a Mortar Build?

[magic pilot]

Firewall will offer the most dmg out of all the specs because of the shield

[magic pilot]

Will be tough, for a first build typically people go for high end dps to get into raids asap

[narrow tulip]

I was thinking run firewall shield with backpack talent that makes shields invulnerable for 5 seconds

[magic pilot]

That's a chest talent

[sullen night]

Are optimization costs also gonna be reduced in the next patch? Or just the expertise thing?

[wooden finch]

ooooh true I hadnt considered glass cannon that might be a good shout actually. thanks for the tip

[narrow tulip]

Sorry. Knew it was one or the other

Just ran white oak with this and was killing pretty good

[wooden finch]

ho boy...

[narrow tulip]

Lmao

It’s mismatched but I’m grinding for strikers gear

[wooden finch]

stick to high end until you get the 4p, it really isnt worth using

if you have anything better

[narrow tulip]

Can I take stats from high end and move them to gear sets?

I got a pair of hana gloves, and I want to take the current hit damage and put it onto a pair of strikers

[visual plover]

run 1 or 2 games of countdown on challenging and you’ll have full striker set in under an hour

Teammates will be able to carry

[narrow tulip]

I’m watch level 5 and every single lobby I’ve joined they dip or kick as soon as they see my level lmao

But it’s wtv lol

[visual plover]

Happened to me last week when I started too, join like 10 times and you’ll get a lobby that accepts you

LOL

[narrow tulip]

Real

[visual plover]

If you need any help with anything lemme know broski, I have a couple decent builds together but I’m still also relatively new to the endgame

[hexed steppe]

Absolutely, just takes practice really. Mortar is low cooldown. I also use a stinger hive with mine. You can deploy it next to you and having it as like backup damage to stuff that gets too close. Add btsu gloves and you can overcharge and get your mortar back instantly and the hive rapid charge 👍

[narrow tulip]

Thoughts on 1886?

[visual plover]

It was a decent year, we got the Statue of Liberty and it was good for the transcontinental railroad

[rich cosmos]

My god

[visual plover]

Bro is John wick to be killing with that

Give this man 2 hours in countdown and he’ll be ready to run anything

[rich cosmos]

Bro has domino levels of luck

[narrow tulip]

With the banshee, only took one mag to kill elite level

And this is now

[visual plover]

Much better, go for crit chance around 55 and max crit damage if you’re wanting a DPS build

[hexed steppe]

Ceska piece instead of ninja knee will help.

Then grupo or coyote for mask

[narrow tulip]

I don’t have either mask but I’ll go for them

Then I was gonna try for dodge city cuz all I need is the two holsters

[hexed steppe]

All good. Just items to look out for. Ceska will bring up your crit chance which will improve your dps.
Groupo will help crit damage

No mods in the build, but you guessed it, use crit chance mods until you get better rolled pieces

All dps will want crit chance/crit damage stats

[narrow tulip]

Okay

I’m grind out crit chance and damage attributes for striker gear

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[final orchid]

Is countdown the place to farm for St elmo?

[hexed steppe]

With an optimised striker something like elmo ar can hit 1.2mil for crits. Just to give you an end goal for numbers

[narrow tulip]

Best place to get Elmo?

[hexed steppe]

Yes, target ar and also buy exo caches

[final orchid]

Okay. Running famas for now until I find

[hexed steppe]

Countdown

[narrow tulip]

Okay

Im going to lfg and I’ll go countdown

[hexed steppe]

Famas is a great gun. Potentials higher damage than elmo. Elmo just has amazing nods

[jagged dune]

do you have to have the weapon out to get the talent? in-sync for example? can i keep that on my secondary and have it holstered?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

Make sure you LFG for countdown on challenging and buy the exotic caches from the Countdown vendor every 2-3 runs.

[onyx sage]

unless the weapon talent says it specifically works on swap or even when holstered, it generally doesn't

[hexed steppe]

Sledgehammer is an exception tho. Will stay proc on weapon swap

[onyx sage]

sledge applies a debuff to the enemy and that persists for the duration

[hexed steppe]

Busy bee talent also exception. Not too many tho

[final orchid]

This is what I am building rn hit 40 yesterday so far off optimization

[hexed steppe]

Obliterate talent on chest and you'll be cooking 👍

[flint wave]

nice

[hexed steppe]

Right brands for sure

[final orchid]

I compeltely messed up and had a fenris chest piece rolled with obliterate before I knew it was needed for this build and recal'd an attribute off it instead of the trait

[hexed steppe]

You'll get it 🍻

For just hitting 40 it looks great

[final orchid]

I was farming summit originally, and got chameleon, but heard it wasnt great and now that I got FAMAS might be uneeded. I recently got a Lefty, should I use that instead?

[hexed steppe]

Lefty is good stacking secondary with the famas

[final orchid]

I had some help from someone in discord. He helped a bunch with pointing me in the right direction and running me through a target mission on Heroric a few times to get me started

So play upclose and stack with lefty and then swap to FAMAS?

[hexed steppe]

That's the idea. Famas an stack well too. Lefty just really quick since each pellet can be a stack. 8pellets per shot

[acoustic coral]

I honestly never use my ACS/Lefty to stack

[hexed steppe]

Same, it is nice tho for chunga or maurader stacking.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, for sure. Mainly use it on groups in countdown at the end, when they spawn from the chopper. Other than that, I'm dead by the time I'm close enough to the enemies for the acs

[narrow tulip]

The amount of guns and legendaries and named gear I got from one full lobby of challenging countdown is outrageous

[hexed steppe]

Best loot farm in the game 💯

[narrow tulip]

Got two saint elmos which ones do I rock

[final orchid]

Wow damn 2 in 1 run thats wild. I got to get me over to countdown, never done it before

[narrow tulip]

I got 32 guns, 8 of which were named and 2 of which were st. Elmo’s. Then I got 18 pieces of gear, of which 6 w re named

Nah I’m just going around taking out crit chance and damage attributes

[final orchid]

yea I stocked my library yesterday with stats, but just need better rolls

[narrow tulip]

All the names items

What’s the best assault rifle talent?

[hazy steeple]

Strained, Fast Hands, Optimist. It depends on the build but those 3 will work on crit dps stuff without any specific chest/bp talent.

[livid bridge]

delete 1 for the exotic catalyst and re roll to get damage out of cover

[narrow tulip]

Delete the lower damage one?

And by delete you mean deconstruct?

[wise swallow]

Change yo fire alarm batteries

[narrow tulip]

Oh my god lmfao

[livid bridge]

PLEASE! i thought they were mine for a second lol

then checked and mine are good for a long time

[narrow tulip]

I just went from 21 items in my bag to 101

4 more Elmo’s in 3 raids

[sullen night]

That's just how div2 loot works, you get tons of stuff and then have to perfect a build with the materials you get from them, fill your recal library and donate shit to level expertise. once in a while you will also find something that's already very well rolled

[narrow tulip]

True

How good is the king breaker

[visual plover]

Countdown is insane dude keep it up:)

[narrow tulip]

I got a king breaker with perfect flatline. Good or nah?

[sullen night]

Well it always drops with perfect flatline, that's the whole shtick with named weapons, they always drop with the "perfect xy" talent

[narrow tulip]

Ohhh

But should I keep it or extract

[sullen night]

idk what you wanna use or not, it's gonna be fairly exhausting if you ask that for every single weapon :p just put one of each named weapon in your stash if you're unsure, most of them are very easy to re-farm anyways, with some exceptions

[narrow tulip]

Okay

I asked the guy who told me it was good if he wanted it lmfao

[sullen night]

If a weapon or gear piece in the "Named+Exotics" spreadsheet says "DZ", it is harder to farm (can't use countdown, summit, open world etc.), so might wanna hold on to those

It only drops from DZ (well duh), named item caches from events.... and not sure where else

[onyx sage]

reconstructed caches also act as named item caches but have to be obtained from descent, legacy caches as well

your best bet whenever a GE is going on is farm stars and buy named caches

[narrow tulip]

Says dhr

Ok

[onyx sage]

also, if it's a season 1 named item like dark winter, it can be dropped from manhunt bounty targets

[sullen night]

OW that's where i got that one

Unfortunately I kinda prefer Strained over Perfect Killer 😬

[onyx sage]

you're cultured

[narrow tulip]

How do I put attributes on a at Elmo’s

[hexed steppe]

crafting bench, reconfigure. it has a possibility of changing 3rd stat, but its rng

[narrow tulip]

I got max out of cover damage

[sullen night]

That's basically already the best thing you can get on it

[narrow tulip]

Okay

[gentle lichen]

Get ready to do that to almost all your exotic weapons next update

[wise swallow]

Little dramatic

[blissful sphinx]

is this still a viable dz build?

[wise swallow]

No and it never was

[blissful sphinx]

what build wld u suggest then?

[wise swallow]

what is the goal

what are you using it for

[blissful sphinx]

run and gun

[wise swallow]

Wherever you see piciarios swap for coyote if you dont have anyone else using coyotes

thats what i like

guy i play with religiously uses coyotes upclose so i use picario's instead

[glossy scarab]

i get most of my exotics in the open world. they dont drop in countdown much for me

[blissful sphinx]

been in countdown for the past 6 hours tryna get momento

[glossy scarab]

rough get some acostas bags?

[blissful sphinx]

literally got nothing'

[glossy scarab]

yeah i never have exotics from countdown except buying exo caches with the countdown bucks

[hollow pasture]

Had 4 sacrums drop today

[rich cosmos]

Bro who did you pay at Massive for that back to back exotic drop

[blissful sphinx]

where wld u reccomend farming for momento?

[rich cosmos]

Countdown, summit, or anywhere with backpack targeted loot

[blissful sphinx]

lol jus got it from exotic cache but bad rolls sadly 😦

[rich cosmos]

Thats really not that bad

Plus you could just go and reroll it

[blissful sphinx]

havent played in super long whereabouts you reroll it at

and this aswell which seems nice

[buoyant perch]

can't reroll exotic gear (can only reroll exotic wps) but you can optimize it

[blissful sphinx]

@rich cosmos got my hopes up for nothing 😭

[gentle lichen]

If you can optimise do that but don't reroll as you'll need as many exotic components to reroll your weapons to dtoc

[gentle lichen]

Guess my message was too late

[shy willow]

You can reconfigure it

Just not reroll

[blissful sphinx]

am i being stupid havent done this in so long

i have a %15

bit only giving me a %0.1 bonus?

[gentle lichen]

Recalibrating is different than optimising

You can only optimise exotics not recalibrate

[blissful sphinx]

so how do i optimise it to %15

i have the resource to do more than what it wants to do

but i have no option to increase it anymore than the 0.1

[tulip charm]

It goes by certain threshold that part is .1 then next one is different

[blissful sphinx]

so if i upgrade it i wont be stuck with it like recalibrating?

i continue to upgrade through?

[tulip charm]

You cant recal exotic only reroll their roll

[blissful sphinx]

i know im saying if i upgrade the optimisation i keep upgrading it until the full %15?

it doesnt get locked after 1 upgrade

[tulip charm]

No optimizing doesnt lock it

[buoyant perch]

recal is reroll, same thing

you can recal/reroll exotic wps but not exotic gear pieces

both can be optimized

[wise swallow]

no its not

recalibration and rerolling are 2 differnt things

[buoyant perch]

reconfiguration and rerolling are the same thing

[wise swallow]

recal != reconfigure

its short for recalibration.

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glossy scarab]

recalibration is when you change one attribute. reconfiguring is when you re roll a new exotic for all new rolls

[weary pier]

Recal > change stat on that same gear
Reroll > you get new gear with new set of stats

[shy willow]

Reconfigure is essentially crafting a fresh copy of an exotic

Except it keeps expertise

[glossy scarab]

yes recalibration isnt short for reconfiguration. that would only save you one syllable and you'd be using a completely different word for some reason

[atomic rivet]

has anyone got an idea of what build i can run other than striker, i love it i run it but man i wanna try something else.. i want a lmg build but all builds ive seen have been mainly striker

[shy willow]

If you wanna go Lmgs try ongoing directive

If you want more variety try future initiative builds or eclipse

[glossy scarab]

i like gr9 with sadist for OD. the 200 round mag means you never run out of hollow points unless you're actively trying to run out of them

[onyx sage]

recal, reconf, reroll

so ez

[glossy scarab]

ppl get confused. im not mad at it

[flint wave]

optimist, optimized, opportunistic

[narrow tulip]

Which one?

[hazy steeple]

Neither.

I'm fairly sure we've already told you that Ninjabag sucks.

[narrow tulip]

It was the knee pads

[hazy steeple]

Nope, I said the bag and then someone said it was about the knees.
Still either way, both are awful exotics with no real use right now.

[narrow tulip]

I use it cuz of the +1 gear seat it gives to all gear

[onyx sage]

it's still bad even with that, because the +1 to everything is still worse than a good backpack talent

[narrow tulip]

True

[hazy steeple]

It's not even just that. With gearsets you are sacrificing a 2nd attribute slot, which can be very strong in itself.
so the trade is that you want a good benefit from that, so yeah, losing out on the backpack slot so that you get less attributes is kinda not a good trade.

If you really like the "3 cores" playstyle, A Memento strikers isn't the worst thing in the world.
it's far from the best, but it's better than awful.

[narrow tulip]

It’s a hell of a lot better than when I sent my first set aint it?

[hazy steeple]

I've not got a good memory for that kinda thing, but if it involved the word "ninja" in the build, yes lol.

[narrow tulip]

First lvl 40 build to recent

[hazy steeple]

It's a shame, I like the Ninja knees quite a lot conceptually.

[narrow tulip]

Yea same

[hazy steeple]

oh god that build on the left lol.
reminds me of my own at launch of the game, when i first hit WT4.

[narrow tulip]

For some reason the name of the set always reminded me of like 80s motorcycle cyberpunk theme

[hazy steeple]

It does give a very "akira" vibe.

[narrow tulip]

Right after I finished WONY

that’s almost exactly what I was thing

[tulip charm]

I'd give you the benefit of the doubt since you're basically starting to play the game

But just pick one build in the pinned comment spreadsheet and you'll find tons of success.

[shy willow]

I remember way back when I had 6 piece umbra thinking it was broken

[narrow tulip]

But I AM having success and it’s funnn :(((

[hexed steppe]

What's the max crit hits you see while using elmo currently with the ninja setup?
These are the orange numbers.

[flint wave]

more fun to do more damage

[hexed steppe]

Just for reference standard striker, ceska oblit chest, coyote mask, all stacked, can hit around 1.2mil for top end crits with elmo...

[flint wave]

that sounds like striker chest tbh

[hexed steppe]

That's without the chest

[flint wave]

unless headshot

[hexed steppe]

Its higher with the chest but harder to maintain the 200 stacks in regular content*

Side note: Name swapping lame btw

[flint wave]

putting that totally real elmo icon to use

[narrow tulip]

230k I think?

[flint wave]

bruh

[narrow tulip]

I could do that but I’m too lazy so it’s wtv

[hexed steppe]

Fr, whts 4-5 times the damage anyways

[narrow tulip]

Lmaooo

Tike Time to fall asleep to bob ross now

[flint wave]

[narrow tulip]

Maybe when I get home from my theater clinic I’ll run countdown for some goated gear and I’ll view the doc, but for now?

I don’t give a fuckkkk kieshaaa

[shy willow]

Wtf is that Thompson

[shy willow]

Wh-

[shy willow]

Welp we don't recommend good shit for nothing

[flint wave]

yes

[shy willow]

Oh god💀😭

Bros whole profile is Elmo shilling now

[flint wave]

good thing server profiles exist

[shy willow]

No nitro sadge

[slate nest]

[flint wave]

intimidate stacking differently(exponentially) still weird af

[onyx sage]

intimidate's wording is kinda similar to this (TU20)

when you have bonus armor, increases total weapon damage by 4% per stack, up to 9 stacks; gain 3 stacks per second.

[shy willow]

Right

[onyx sage]

@shy willow give your guess as to how it will work

[shy willow]

Oh so they buffed it

[shy willow]

12 percent twd per second up to 36?

[onyx sage]

sadly wrong... but i don't blame you

it's completely misleading

first, it's not twd at all; it's an amp

[shy willow]

So the talent lies to you😭

[onyx sage]

second, it doesn't add to itself; it multiplies with itself

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

What the hell

1.12^3?

[onyx sage]

i.e. instead of max stack being (1 + .04 × 9)

it is (1 + .04)^9

[shy willow]

Oh oops

So it actually gives more than the talent would have you believe

[onyx sage]

so your initial guess is 1.36, and diluted by other twd

when it's really 1.42331, and amplifying

[flint wave]

next thing I know measured is lying to me

[onyx sage]

in PTS 1 it was actually 1.05^9 = 1.55-ish

nah measured is accurately described

[shy willow]

So intim+Vigi would be much more valuable than obliterate?

[onyx sage]

yes

[shy willow]

Hmm

[flint wave]

duh because intimidate has higher value

[shy willow]

Would this make hunter killer worth sacrificing brand for

[flint wave]

good luck getting bonus armor with vigilance bag

[shy willow]

Before it took 5 years to stack up tho

[onyx sage]

difference would be 4%, which is low enough

[shy willow]

Bloodsucker is the way?

[flint wave]

or memento

[onyx sage]

or ad rush

[shy willow]

Ahh

[onyx sage]

it's actually low enough that a top tier crit brand like ceska will largely outperform it

[shy willow]

Oof

Shame it's on Golan

[onyx sage]

if it was PTS 1's 1.62, hunter killer would have been bis

[flint wave]

thank god it isn't because fuck wony hunters

🛌

[shy willow]

[onyx sage]

bruv, 1.62 beats perfect focus

like if it passed pts 2 i would've gone nuts

[shy willow]

So as it stands you're better off with ceska and grupo

[onyx sage]

yeah

[shy willow]

Ahh

Thanks for the insight binoculars man

[onyx sage]

ask me about HH another day, i'm tired kek

[tawdry flare]

Not really cause it works only within 10m

But hunters fury Scorpio build will be legendary meta again

[hollow pasture]

Guess I need a last minute intimidate farm

Maybe I have a ceska or grupo chest with a free talent

[weary pier]

u right about this, its all about having fun
when u start increasing difficulty then tune your build more and try it out
it doesnt matter that you dont do maximum damage at the start
when you start trying out stuff but cant figure out how to do something thats what build advice is for

[sullen night]

How well does Protection from Elite actually work, is it simply just a flat damage reduction you take from any elite mob, regardless of what (Gun, grenade, etc.)? And do the mods stack without diminishing returns?

[onyx sage]

idc, the buff is too strong

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it was too strong but it has been like reduced

Also to use this you have to sacrifice the chest talent sp it is combined 62% vs focus and vigilance

[livid bridge]

they do stack and i see protection from elites reccomended a lot for heroic runs on countdown since every enemy is basically an elite. damage can get you far but if your constantly getting melted, you cant exactly do damage can you

[sullen night]

Thx sounds good

[acoustic coral]

It doesn't have diminishing returns in its original sense afaik, it's a flat percentage that stacks, which is "diminishing returns" in the sense that if you take 80% less damage, do you need to up it to 90%? (just an example)
I'd only run PFE if it's required for some specific setup in group content - or if you're tank/support/heal and its recommended.

[hexed steppe]

Idk the math behind it, but from what I gather , pfe actually increases effectiveness the more you have as opposed to most other attributes with diminishing return

[acoustic coral]

Haven't found any math on it yet, but found the cap is 80% pfe

[tawdry flare]

It is exponential function so at higher value it gives more

[acoustic coral]

Exponential would have them be multiplicative but they're additive, no?
If you have 40% PFE, you receive 40% less damage. 80% PFE, 80% less damage. That's linear

[digital tusk]

Any good pvp builds with good armor and good DPS? Getting a little salty with rogues ruining my fun

[onyx sage]

the more pfe you have, the more effective it is

[tawdry flare]

I have a Marco style video for DMG reduction in div1 pfe works in same way as dmg reduction and pfe in div1

[vestal atlas]

but it isnt a exponential function still as you implied, it is only because of the opportunity cost, there is no mathematical effect there

it is just that if you take 36 pfe at the cost of 36 chd, you are giving up dmg but not reaching a point where you have gained much in survivability

at 70-80, atleast you have now gained enough survivabilty for it to be worth some loss of dmg

[glossy scarab]

yea ive tried using 1-7 pfe mods trying to see where it starts to feel like its making a noticeable and material difference in how much dmg im taking and yeah its like 70%

which only works as a lazy scorpio build in countdown

[vestal atlas]

its how resistances usually works out in systems, if you reducing each incoming shot by 40% a 1mill incoming shot is still doing 600k, at 80 it is 200k, you can take 3 times more shots in that example, but ofcourse that comes at a cost, but at higher values it just starts to become much more justifiable for the opportunity cost of it

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, that's what I had in mind, you explained it well iKia, thanks!

[sullen night]

I take from that putting 2 PFE mods into my hunter's fury build seems not really worth it as opposed to 2 more CHD mods 😄

Is there any cap for CHD?

[glossy scarab]

yeah. in an incursion run i had on 3 pfe mods and we struggled to get thru the last fight. as soon as i switched it to 3 chd mods we cleared it much more easily

[acoustic coral]

There's no CHD cap, only 60% CHC

[glossy scarab]

chd seems to kind of have a top end as to how much you're actually getting out of going beyond 180-200

[tawdry flare]

If you spec into too much chd you might be missing out on multiplicative buffs

[sullen night]

Righto thx for all the info

[glossy scarab]

why is it so hard for me to get into the habit of marking 3 targets when im using negotiators. i feel like im only getting the dmg sharing active like 1/3 of the time and the rest of the time its single targets bc i just want to kill the enemy in front of me, who is shooting me. instead of searching the battle area for someone else to mark before i do that.

[acoustic coral]

It's such a completely different playstyle, I could never get into it either - might try it out again in the future

[livid bridge]

i could see this working more for a spotter/sniper playstyle

[glossy scarab]

yeah i make a point to keep my distance and try to get high ground. and i use a rifle as secondary. and that works well but sometimes you cant help but get into situations where thats not possible

[gentle lichen]

I shield peek when i wanna use nego

It's usually on leggies so i mark 2 targets that usually hide and focus a minitank

[magic pilot]

Use a vigi backpack then

[shy willow]

I feel you

Mid range is the way

[glossy scarab]

good idea. i was thinking that might be a better option

[magic pilot]

That's how Azur runs it

[hollow pasture]

Would this be the optimal setup for intimidate HF next season

[magic pilot]

With ouro over crit cap with ceska

[hollow pasture]

57%rn

[magic pilot]

Should be 63

[acoustic coral]

I love your name

@surreal depot And @magic pilot You guys should now kiss

[hollow pasture]

Unless I saw smth else
I think I'm at 57%

[glossy scarab]

i like to be 3% over chc cap instead of slightly below it just because sometimes my secondary needs more chc

[magic pilot]

63 optimized

[magic pilot]

Not optimal tho which was question

[hollow pasture]

57
177 rn
Only have one chc roll on gear

And it's maxed
I have handling on one of the pieces

[glossy scarab]

should be 59 if you have max rolls, no?

[magic pilot]

63

The gun

[hollow pasture]

Chc from oreo and it's mods
From ceska bonus
And one roll

That's what it says rn

[magic pilot]

That's why you have handling rolled

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[glossy scarab]

oh yea cuz the ceska

[acoustic coral]

51189 = 9.639
57177 = 10.089
60(because cap)*165 = 9.900

57chc, 177chd is more mathed dps

[hollow pasture]

Id like to not go over the cap as my secondary is way low on chc and barely used tbh

[magic pilot]

Not optimal but ok