td2-build-advice

[acoustic coral]

reload? just kill

[flint wave]

Infinite sustained dps if you don't reload

[acoustic coral]

I feel honored

[deep gyro]

Any build recommendations with the St. Elmo's I'm kinda new and I just got this exotic

[hexed steppe]

striker

check the pinned spreadsheet

[deep gyro]

Oh ok thank you

[hexed steppe]

lots of builds in the spreadsheet. all proven and up to date

[deep gyro]

Alright i'll go check on it ty

[cyan drift]

today I learned you could do this

[flint wave]

purple build strat is alive

[cyan drift]

wait so you can have a full-on DPS at level 31 even though it's pointless

[flint wave]

Secondary attributes still downgraded👴

[vestal ibex]

Me trying to figure out how this is useful past memes....

[cyan drift]

I don't need a single other chestpiece the entire time

[urban latch]

Yep. You can do a similar thing with 1-30 gear and WT5 stats. If your making a level 31 wony build I'd recommend crafting level 30 high end mask, chest, and backpack (or memento) so you can get mod slots, then craft level 31 holster, knees, and gloves and put the 170k armor on them

[hexed steppe]

memento wont work in wony outside of a group with shd agent

[flint wave]

I learned the hard way memento is straight useless in story mode

[cyan drift]

I always wonder why I never use the RPK-74

then I just used it again during this wony run

the first 25-50% of every mag is useless

[urban latch]

And that's one of the top lmgs lol

[cyan drift]

cause it's most like an AR

[buoyant perch]

Pristine Example outdamage ceska with focus

[olive pasture]

wicked/trauma or concussion/unbreakable for pvp?

[sullen sun]

Can I use contractors on a hotshot build? For pvp

Over fox’s prayer

[random sigil]

what's a good hard wired build for overworld stuff/general use? for seeker drones and stuff like that?

[urban latch]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

Pretty much

[wise swallow]

Oblit/adrush, unbreakable/adrush

I would use concussion and unbreak but 2 mentioned above are better

[iron moat]

What sniper is that ?

[gentle lichen]

White death/mantis

[olive pasture]

matador it is then

[iron moat]

Thanks

[wise swallow]

I dont love metador but yes

[wise swallow]

hotshot in pvp?

interesting

nemmy + vigi all red not enough?

[tawdry iron]

nemi is overkill all red glass w a white death does enough

[olive pasture]

what would u have instead

[wise swallow]

Dont need glass

spotter vigi and you can use FAL or AK

more options then strictly sniper

[wise swallow]

depends on the build

I dont use walker on most of my builds but

[olive pasture]

alright what would you throw together for a standard pvp build then

[tawdry iron]

pulse res glass >>

[wise swallow]

Either strike or high end:
striker: 4 pc striker with backpack, Ceska, coyote or groupo if you already have enough coyotes.
High end: ceska, groupo, fenris, coyote, contractors, foxes. drop coyote for picario's if you have enough coyotes.

[wise swallow]

idk, Glass is godd but I wouldnt bother in PVP

99% of the time sniping is done from long angles where your waiting for them to peak anyways. added squishy thats not really needed

[olive pasture]

high end is fine but surely strikers for pvp is not ideal

[wise swallow]

Striker is very strong

highest DPS youll get with any weapon type

[olive pasture]

im well aware

but isnt getting stacks up the issue

in pvp

[tawdry iron]

nah mantis pulse res glass is good asf

[wise swallow]

you have to play it a certain way solo or around a good tardi tank. its a slower gearset, you gotta run constantly to stack it then fight. Kinda depends on play style, i really like it and tend to face trade at 70~ stacks

sometimes youll get lucky with NPCs

[olive pasture]

ok fairly specific but i get what ur saying

[wise swallow]

its defo not for everyone but its very strong when played right

[olive pasture]

understandable

amazing dp btw

[wise swallow]

also super easy build to make so worth messing with

[old carbon]

Anyone have a good build for a returning player using elmos engine? Im around level 100 but i just got back in the game and would like to know what a good build would be. Thanks

[visual plover]

Get a solid strikers set and then try for a coyote mask and a ceska chest plate with obliterate

Took me a short amount of time to build a set like that and can run most activities with it:)

[old carbon]

Sounds good, thanks

[visual plover]

I’m only shade level 40 and put the set together

[visual plover]

You’re welcome! Have fun!!

[old carbon]

Will do 🙂

[tawdry sequoia]

For a PvP set, do i just build Strikers with a few blue cores?'

[sterile burrow]

Mateo, for PVP do a Umbra Build, use the Oro Borus. Use the chest and backpack so you can get the most out of the gearset...Catharsis MASK for additional Additive Damage + The Heals & Picaros Holster for the double attribute, utilizing Armor and Weapon Damage. Use what ever guns for secondary, skills are up to you, my build is at 1.1million Armor up to you how you run it. Your welcome✌️🤟💯💪👌 !

[zenith drift]

What a good accommodating build to accompany BackFire? Asking for my uncle as he rather use that over the St Elmo

[shy willow]

Hazpro dps id imagine

[hazy steeple]

As much as I love the Backfire, it is very much not comparable in any way to the St Elmo.
For a start one is an SMG and one an AR, so they are played at different ranges.

If he still wants to use it though, the Backfire's Talent requires you to negate bleed in some way, as on reload you get hit pretty hard. So what most people do is use HazPro (hazard protection).

There's a link to a build 📌 pinned in this channel, you can thank @fickle light for that one.

[tawdry sequoia]

Is System Corruption any good?

[shy willow]

It's not the best

But it is getting buffed next season if that's any consolation

[tawdry sequoia]

What buffs is it getting?

[slate nest]

@pearl carbon i got my first nemesis,from exotic cache,and i only have the blueprint
its just RNG

[pearl carbon]

😭 40 countdowns and 23 summits in

Let's gooo

I wanna cry so bad

Rng is great but not great at the same time

[pearl carbon]

Look in general chat

Someone says you need the gun and blue print

[shy willow]

You only need the print

Just bad rng

[wanton hornet]

Just found a tactical M249 para with full wep damage, full toc, & full stability with flatline talent. Any recommendations on reroll of stability or flatline?

[slate wedge]

glass is needed in pvp

[compact quail]

Any way to improve this? I'm using Burn Sticky and Firestarter Chem, i feel like i do little to no damage against armored enemies and robots

[shy willow]

Well you gotta roll everything to status effects/skill haste if you haven't already

[lethal trellis]

change to firewall and use flame thrower against dog

[shy willow]

I personally run everlasting gaze too but I've been informed perpetuation doesn't apply to eclipse spread fire so

Other than that the gear looks good

[compact quail]

really? i though they were just immune to most status effects
what about BT Minigunner? they give me a lot of problems with these skills

[shy willow]

But yeah no matter how you build it it'll be very hard to kill chungas and robotics with this sort of build because robotics cannot be lit on fire unless you hit them with the fire starter

And chunga plating is quite tough

In cases like those you gotta rely on your teammates to make use of the CC and kill them for you

[compact quail]

i tried Everlastin glaze + scorpio but i end up using only scorpio, which is not bad but i might as well use something else at that point

[lethal trellis]

flamethrower can do some damage per clicks

[shy willow]

Scorp is good but the status effects don't last long enough to be worth spreading

Oh oops you're on fire not foam

[compact quail]

yeah i can never distinguish them just by looking at the skill lol

[lethal trellis]

try to avoid tank as they self destroy eventually when all other enemies eliminated

[compact quail]

the little tanks aren't as much of a problem because they actually take damage if i shot them instead of tanking it with their armor

while warhounds are a total pain

[compact quail]

Btw 60% Skill haste and 94,1% Status effect (may be wrong, can't find it in the stats menu)

[lethal trellis]

each build had its shortcoming, the best use of EP in my case is farming SHD lv with challenging 5 directives open world stuff, heroic lack of efficiency since enemies tankier

[vestal ibex]

You can light chunga and robotics on fire tho. Just use fire wall spec side arm.

[shy willow]

Ye the fire starter

[vestal ibex]

Primers

[high dagger]

Excuse me for asking, but was there a patch or revamp for chainkiller or determined?

My stack would often just stops abruptly, from 18-21 mil dmg it's regular 800k - 1 mil

[shy willow]

You were hitting plating

Unrelated but I suggest you run a couple hotshot pieces

[high dagger]

Would my lever action still works with hotshot? I don't really enjoy the bolt action nature of White Death

[hazy steeple]

Nope. The 1886 is counted as a "Rifle" not as a "Marksman Rifle". And yes it's confusing.

[high dagger]

that sucks, but alright then

I'll make a hotshot build

[shy willow]

If it's any consolation hotshot comes with 30 percent weapon handling so it'll negate white deaths poor handling

[high dagger]

apparently, I already have one. I just returned to Divs 2 a week ago, I forgot I already have it

A hotshot build I mean, in my storage

Is this good enough? 316% Headshot dmg

[hazy steeple]

It's been out for a minute by this point.
the most important thing in a Hotshot build is to get your Stability on your MMR up to 100%.
getting it to that on an MMR negates all "bullet drop", so your shots are 100% accurate (the stats page lists it).

[high dagger]

noted, thanks a lot

[wide silo]

Eclipse Protocol with Vile and Courier is worse or better then the Eclipse Procotol with Vile and Eclipse Backpack Variation?
Or just a different approach?

[tawdry flare]

Creeping death with vile Way worse unless doing league stuff on hard

[wide silo]

So i am better off with the "classic" Eclipse Chest/Backpack + Vile?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[shy willow]

For fire you want the amp from the ep bag

For foam generally you use the courier

[wide silo]

So its either Dmg or CC?

[hexed steppe]

or setup on cc eclips

[shy willow]

Depends whether you're more CC oriented or support oriented

[hexed steppe]

courier kinda overkill

[hexed steppe]

yes

[pastel pasture]

Any tech/capacitor builds that work on herioc and up + all directives?

[hexed steppe]

if trying to do both, use a damage set with fire sticky, then riot chem

[hexed steppe]

mortar /hive with btsu gloves works well even in cool skills

[wide silo]

Well, its kinda like the first Build i was able to "finish" since i got the Mask dropped and a Scorpio.
So i checked some youtube and reddit and noticed that you can either run Eclips Backpack or the Courier.
Thought you guys can lead me into some direction. 🙂
So for lets say just getting the Build together i am way better with the Vile and EP Backpack/Chest?

[hexed steppe]

yeah damage setup works

so run a traditional setup vile/ep bag ,and if you like it, branch off and build a cc version after

[wide silo]

I am also running the Gunner Tree. So i am using the Foam Grenade. I thought i dont need the Foam Skill in that case, but i might be totally wrong here. 😉

[hexed steppe]

all npcs on fire will also be an effective crowd control tbf, but its a ton of damage too

[hexed steppe]

foam granade is hard to time. the chemlauncher riot foam sticks instant what it hits

go survivalist or firewall with eclipse

[wide silo]

Firewall for the extra burn duration. But why Survivalist?

[hexed steppe]

your team will get 10% damage against status affected npc, youll get some pfe and a sweet fire grenade

[wide silo]

ooohhhh, that sounds juicy. Thanks! 🙂

[hexed steppe]

firenade that reliably procs sledgehammer as well😉

[wide silo]

Do you happen to know a good Gun to use that Talent with?
While still maintaining my Scorpio. I LOVE that gun!

[pastel pasture]

Does this build work with countdown?

[tawdry flare]

Also survivalist bow that can one shot armour plating for chungas and dogs even on legendary

[tawdry flare]

Lefty

[hexed steppe]

or stageleft for different ammo type

[tawdry flare]

Or stage left if you are using scorpio

You don't wanna run out of ammo

[wide silo]

What should i reroll the 3rd Talent to? Or not possible?

[tawdry flare]

Especially with black tusk

[tawdry flare]

Possible to reroll it to dttoc

[hexed steppe]

most skill builds do not. eclipse can work but youll want some disrupt resist or hazpro, or both so hunters dont shut your skills down

[hexed steppe]

if you are using a fire setup, roll damage to armor. fire can use your weapon attributes for more strength

[wide silo]

yeah. I noticed that i need to use Skills pretty early if against Hunters.

[hexed steppe]

i use this in countdown . it has 100% hazpro resist

[wide silo]

But Lefty has that already?

[pastel pasture]

And u just nade them?

[tawdry flare]

40% debuff from sledgehammer

[hexed steppe]

oy yeah, out of cover damage then.

[wide silo]

tell me more pls! How?

[shy willow]

Sledgehammer is a huge team dps buff

[tawdry flare]

30% eclipse 10% watch 10% yahl 5 rolls of 10%

[pastel pasture]

Im unfamiliar with sledgehammer, the last skill build I did was yrs ago

[hexed steppe]

make all 6 rolls on your gear hazpro, max out hazpro on watch , vile and youre immune

[wide silo]

oh well... my watch is at Lvl 49 rn xD

[hexed steppe]

alternatively you can use a few hazpro rolls and a few disrupt resist mods and get there

[shy willow]

Hit an enemy with a grenade for an increased 40 percent damage to armour and they have their movement speed slowed

Survivalist is best for this as you get the incendiary nade that procs when enemies step into the fire

[hexed steppe]

eclipse /6 rolls , disrupt mod should have you at 100% disrupt resist without watch

[shy willow]

And you get status effects and that sweet pfe

[hexed steppe]

eclipse has 30% hazpro

[pastel pasture]

And the build is called eclispe protocol?

[wide silo]

so i slot some Mods for the resist? or reroll my armor?

[wide silo]

The Set is called that. 😉

[rose rapids]

For a nem build do I want headshot damage or crit damage?

[hexed steppe]

i would make a second set of armor to roll hazpro, you generally will only need something like that for cd, elsewhere the regular status setup is stronger

[pastel pasture]

Better to use with capacitator or the shotgun?

Or prefrence roll

[shy willow]

PvE?

[rose rapids]

yes

[shy willow]

Headshot damage all day

[wide silo]

Was about to ask. This is specific for Countdown, right?

[shy willow]

Any MMR

[hexed steppe]

yep, exactly

[rose rapids]

so headshot and what other attribute?

[shy willow]

Handling

[rose rapids]

ty. for all pieces i assume?

[shy willow]

Yep

[wide silo]

I am using Electrique Gloves for the extra 10% Status. I read somewhere its decent.
True?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[shy willow]

Used to be Golan but now you can roll it naturally yellow on electrique

[wide silo]

So Electrique 1 Piece, Vile, EP with Chest and Backpack. Survivalist for the Burn Nade and then Scorpio + another Gun with Sledgehammer.
Sounds about right to me! 🙂

[pastel pasture]

Use scorpio or capacitor with it?

[wide silo]

Oh no clue what Capacitor is.
I am using Scorpio since it was the first Exotic i found and i love that thing. 🙂

[hexed steppe]

my standard eclipse. dont mind the blue mod in the bag, should be haste

[vestal ibex]

It doesn't matter if it's the gloves tho, could be knees or holster(basically another minor part).

[shy willow]

Lucky you it's also among the best it'll do you some real good

[wide silo]

any specific Mods for the Skills?
Like area or something?

[hexed steppe]

no, just whatever the best you have that fits role. burn strength/haste. riotfoam will want ensnare duration over burn damage as an example

[wide silo]

Mine rolled almost perfect also!

[pastel pasture]

Is there another build like this that does ongoing directive?

[hexed steppe]

i imagine so, then the pinned spreadsheet and there should be one in there.

unf i dont have an OD build

[wide silo]

out of curiousity. I dont have these little Icons for Backpack Slot and all these others.
Is that an option i need to turn on or off?

[shy willow]

You mean the stars and tool icons?

[wide silo]

also, did you slot all haste or something else also?

[wide silo]

yeah.

[hexed steppe]

if its the little stuff in the corners its because its recal,optimized,favorited or some combo of the 3

[hexed steppe]

mostly haste, nothing else really benefits fire

[wide silo]

Thank you!

[wide silo]

Is there a way to turn these Icons on?

[vestal ibex]

Those icons are the result of things you do to those items.

[hexed steppe]

you can stack status effects and skill damage on gear. fire double dips from both damage types. thats why capacitor is good on fire builds. 60% skill damage once stacked. or insync weapon also add skilldamage

[vestal ibex]

Wanna favorite icon there? Just favorite it. Recal icon? Just recal it.

[wide silo]

well... if i do favorite mine i dont have these icons.

thats why i asked. 😉

[hexed steppe]

youll have the star as favorite

if you recalibrate youll have the crossedtools

[shy willow]

Oh I didn't know it scaled off skill damage too damn

[hexed steppe]

if you optimize youll have a partial circle

[wide silo]

Sounds good to me. Back to grinding Weapons then i guess. 🙂

[hexed steppe]

yeah, but if you use capacitor you need to have it procced before launching your fire. it snapshots ths skill damage before and isnt affected if you stack on a target after its fired

[shy willow]

Ahh

Is this just for the sticky or firestarter too

[hexed steppe]

both

[shy willow]

Ohhh

[wide silo]

So this weapon could be a solid Option instead of Scorpio for EP also?

[tawdry flare]

Insync is better for quick burst

You shoot someone with a shot fire sticky next

30% for the whole duration

[vestal ibex]

Huh going up and looking at other peoples loadouts that might be newer to the game doesn't show any of these icons.... Strange, I'm at work but yeah maybe a setting somewhere? Maybe an update removed them and the setting stayed in the INI? idk game is spaghetti code and settings at this point.

[hexed steppe]

yeah its solid.

[tawdry flare]

You mean mashed potatoes 🤤

[wide silo]

I am using Test Subject rn as my 2nd Weapon. Is that also ok-ish?

[shy willow]

It may well be a setting

[shy willow]

You can use harmony for the different ammo type but it's dz exclusive

[hexed steppe]

thats perfect tbh. if you proc it before your shots its a 40% boost to skilldamage

can keep that with the scorpio

[wide silo]

3rd perk should be out of cover there also?

[hexed steppe]

that can be dta if maining it on a fire build

[vestal ibex]

Not a full list cause new skills but most skills don't make use of DTTOOC.

[wide silo]

oh, thats helpful! Thanks a lot!

[vestal ibex]

Missing the new flame turret boi

[restive dome]

Won’t that one have the same stats as the incinerator turret?

[rich lotus]

alright I'm about to attempt summit 100 solo, what gear do you recommend

[shy willow]

Scorpio and shock traps

[rich lotus]

don't have scorpio

I do have sweet dreams

[shy willow]

Just throw on strikers or something and peek the door

Throw down shock traps for when they get close

[vestal ibex]

Probably but you never know.

[restive dome]

Fair enough 😉

[tawdry flare]

Demo firefly where

[vestal ibex]

Probably hit a wall or post on it's way to the target.

[tawdry flare]

Or it demo the list

[brisk barn]

My favourite part is when it hits the target and does no damage anyway because the target was moving

[tawdry flare]

At least the cooldown is instant in that scenario

Unlike most skills

[cyan drift]

wanted to try Cavahieler but trying to balance these attributes is getting weird

thinking all the attributes should be hazpro and then mods are repair skills

then just rely on safeguard to do the heavy lifting?

no matter what, it's probably worse than FI regardless, but I still wanted to give it a try (haven't yet still)

[dreamy valve]

What’s the Tardigrade for in that loadout

[brisk barn]

why is your mask yellow 😭

why is it half yellow half blue

I'm so confused

ok so it's Cavahealer

[cyan drift]

countdown, no other reason

[brisk barn]

I cannot connect dots in my head

[cyan drift]

it's just something I've wanted to try, even if it isn't good (and it probably won't be)

[urban latch]

FI is just too good to try and run anything else as a healer. And 4p cav just isn't real useful for anything tbh

[cyan drift]

likewise, the pre-nerf version would be obscenely OP at everything

70% resistance to everything would be absolutely ridiculous

[pastel pasture]

Does the hotshot build work in incursion/raid/countdown?

[onyx sage]

no

well, in some instances, but not for newcomers

[urban latch]

Incursion no, countdown sort of but enemies have very high health, so it's hard to be consistent. Raids it really depends on which boss and your role. Some it would be useless, others it's good for ad clear, Morozova it's your best DPS option

[pastel pasture]

Ahh ty for the insight

[urban latch]

Actually, on tanker in the incursion determined HH can be really effective, especially for quickly clearing the shield ads, so that's at least worth mentioning.

[onyx sage]

that's what i personally run (not determined but you know), headhunter can deal with ads really quick and you can m870 2 drones at once

[flint wave]

sniper on countdown?

[tulip charm]

its possible ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flint wave]

I refuse to believe it in heroic

especially if you don't get the BS buffs like close range and head shot damage

[vestal ibex]

Just depends on their health and if you can keep buffs up. Using nem is a sure fire way to have enough damage but idk what most of their health is on heroic. You could go in solo and test it if you wanna know if a WD would work.

[flint wave]

Not even close for white death

[vestal ibex]

Next season that M700 should do it pretty easy then.

[flint wave]

If behind you somehow works with headhunter then maybe

[vestal ibex]

I hope they nerf that or something. That's just too much for any weapon.

[gentle lichen]

60% amp

Or 40% on any weapon

A weapon talent beats PGC

[buoyant perch]

swift4010 could oneshot full armor heroic countdown hunter

[flint wave]

bruh he used full stack BLB and bloody knuckles buff

and old tips

With tac50

[vestal ibex]

Yeah was gonna say that isn't too hard.

[pastel pasture]

where is this pic from???

[flint wave]

"fog of war" video on div2 enemy health

[tawdry sequoia]

Does System Corrupted ever show as targeted loot for dark zone? Or do i just need to farm each piece when its the targeted item (Ex: Backpack, Kneepad)

[flint wave]

Legacy season caches from ge can drop them

I recently got 4pc of system corruption after a bunch of caches

Perfect build for the stash

[tawdry sequoia]

ge?

[flint wave]

global event

[tawdry sequoia]

ohhhh

ok but still what about the dz targeted loot

[flint wave]

Doesn't exist

yaahl and system aren't in TL😔

[tawdry sequoia]

Does the other thing work tho? like if backpack is targeted in the DZ, can it drop like that?

[flint wave]

idk

[hexed steppe]

Yeah you have to target gear type, and it's just really low chances since so many items in any given category

System kinda subpar regardless of any youtuber putting out a vid stating itll be meta... 🤔

[rich lotus]

I have gotten both Yaahl and SC from loot in DZ. Rare as an unicorn but it has happened. You can also get SC from legacy season caches.

[vivid mulch]

Buddy of mine is looking for gear sets for a pure DPS sniper build. I don't know enough about gearsets to give him good advice. Any suggestions?

[vestal ibex]

Something like this is easy to farm, also I just grabbed this from the build hub and some funky things in it. Blue on chest? You can also use a white death with determined for max cheese. Nem isn't needed and you can use mantis or a bunch of other snipers really.

Sniper build guide

[flint wave]

that's a one shot sniper not a dps sniper build

[pastel pasture]

1 shotting IS Dps LOL

[flint wave]

No it isn't

[vivid mulch]

Much appreciated, thank you.

[flint wave]

inb4 smart-ass comment of infinite dps if you kill in one shot

[pastel pasture]

I see you dont like snipers

[vestal ibex]

Damage per second is just a measurement it doesn't mean anything past that to me. For all we know when they said pure DPS sniper that could mean all red, or one with only intent to kill vs having any survivability.

[wise swallow]

what is a DPS sniper build if not a high single shot dmg build

the point of sniper is high single shot dmg not really DPS lol

[shy willow]

Dread I guess

[onyx sage]

you'd think of crit svd spamming when you say dps sniper rather than hh sniper

dps sniper builds when the damage is calculated over an infinitesimal

[random sigil]

is there a cap on how many loadouts you can have?!?

[shy willow]

16

[random sigil]

what.... okay sooo, i have to delete some then...

[hexed steppe]

cap of 16 per agent. you can save up to 64 over your 4 agents if they are created tho. somepeople use their alts for specific roles. like normal agent, dz build agent, raid builds agent.

[random sigil]

ah okay, that makes sense. Still haven't reached SHD 1000, so I haven't made any alts yet

[hexed steppe]

can also use the alts to give more chances at things like incursion case

all good

[tawdry sequoia]

i think i have a good plan with it tho, ill let you guys know when im done building

also i heard it was getting buffed next patch

[onyx sage]

no, it's just the instant medkit interaction

[tawdry flare]

Infinite instant medkit

New YT God mode activated

[vapid bobcat]

hi guys just got the shield splinterer and dttoc is better in the 3rd att right?

[onyx sage]

yes

[vapid bobcat]

sweet ty!

[tawdry flare]

For every gun DTTOC is just better like 99.9% of the time

[random sigil]

Is there any scenario where it's not?

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[tawdry flare]

Usually for legendary dogs and chungas An M870 with Pummel and Health DMG

[tawdry sequoia]

Just got Sacrum Imperium, gun any good?

[flint wave]

Good for the stash

[tawdry sequoia]

How do i activate Golden Bullet?

nvm found it'

[tawdry iron]

most of the time dttoc will still be best, you usually have enough dmg for adds and will benefit more from dttoc for chungas and dogs

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's just most of the time folks here will snipe dudes in cover because they're easier to hit if they're not using determined

i don't think that dttooc is always worse, i just am in great support for dta in terms of usability, not just damage

[tawdry iron]

true, on snipers i usually use DTA, on shotguns i use dttoc

[onyx sage]

yeah, same for me

[vapid bobcat]

sounds good ty!

[gentle bramble]

When doing a tech tank with Heartbreaker/technician laser pointer, do youse prefer to use a Coyote's Mask or a Memento? (sorry I had this posted on the TD1 build channel :D)

[onyx sage]

depends, do you want more damage or more survivability

[shy willow]

^

[gentle bramble]

what would be what option?

[onyx sage]

coyote gives damage

[real trench]

Coyotes

[onyx sage]

memento gives less damage but more survivability

[gentle bramble]

oh, I've been running coyote and thinking that damage isn't enough 😄

[real trench]

And Strikers

[gentle bramble]

but I also have a lot of blues to keep the shield up because I am bad at the game

[onyx sage]

what range are you playing coyote in

[real trench]

I’m close and personal

[onyx sage]

then you need 60% chc

[gentle bramble]

probably not close enough. I actually need to find out what range is actually considered close

[onyx sage]

15m

[shy willow]

Mid buff you can have like 50 chc

[onyx sage]

if you know the hunter's fury range, that's 15m

[gentle bramble]

There's a symbol for coyotes that pops up sometime but I haven't got the hang of it yet

[real trench]

I deal 50 chance and 187 crit damage I’m gucci

[onyx sage]

you should read its talent

[gentle bramble]

yeah my gear is in general trash so I don't have a lot of CHD but CHC with the AR is around 55

[onyx sage]

with coyote if you play up close like with kingbreaker you get 25% chd

[shy willow]

White ribbon on left close, in middle for mid and on the right for far

[real trench]

Kingbreakers recoil is trash

[shy willow]

You ought to hit countdown some time and get some better gear

[shy willow]

Still usable within close buff

[gentle bramble]

Yeah the discussion about kingbreaker or not was a thing I was asking on general

[shy willow]

Hits like a truck in range

It's just you want something that'll work at a distance too

So the preference is M4/c7

[onyx sage]

that's why people recommend m4 and c7

[real trench]

Ouro is where it’s at bro

[onyx sage]

ouro can't get tech laser

[gentle bramble]

I also do the thing with a ACS-12 to build the HB stacks

[shy willow]

Ouro is also an extremely boring gun

Can't wait to use buffed EB

[shy willow]

Nice

Be mindful you can't stack on skill proxies and your bonus armour doesn't come back until you drop stacks

[real trench]

Ouro is hella fun to use what?

[gentle bramble]

Even not understaanding very well what's the mechanic there. Is it damage? Pellets? Don't know, but shooting peole with it works

[real trench]

Melts every content in the game currently

[shy willow]

It makes the game completely braindead

[tawdry flare]

But it will still win at least upto 50 stacks

[real trench]

Because it’s that good lol

[onyx sage]

it doesn't beat six12 for me kek

six12 is too good for me to use ouro

[tawdry flare]

Six 12 is a very good dps shotgun no doubt

Wish we had one with perfect pummel instead of SASG

[shy willow]

I need to get a good six12 I hear it's mental

[onyx sage]

you should

[shy willow]

I want enforcer in my inventory

[onyx sage]

striker 200 with six12 is top tier

[tawdry flare]

I already have it

[real trench]

200 with Ouro

[shy willow]

I was thinking maybe just Scorp but that locks me out of other exos

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio with dttoc also

[shy willow]

😭

[shy willow]

Six12 and acs12 will out DPS ouro at close range

Imma get a six12 and see how much better it is for incursions

[real trench]

I’ll get 900k with Ouro close range

Sometimes 1.2M and 3.1M

Huge difference lol

[onyx sage]

you can get that with six12 and more

[real trench]

Nah Ouro better

[onyx sage]

honestly give it a try

[tawdry flare]

Six 12 is better for one reason

[real trench]

I barely use shotguns

[onyx sage]

i tried ouro and went back to six12, before ouro six12 is top tier, and after it came out it's still top tier

[tawdry flare]

You can use whatever talent you want

Also no need to take your exo slot

It's overall dps is good too

[shy willow]

Would I put strained on it for pure dps

[onyx sage]

yes, or flatline

honestly put flatline and ask a teammate to pulse

[real trench]

Lol flatline? Put strained or killer

[onyx sage]

wdym lol

how are you gonna proc killer on a boss

[real trench]

Who uses flatline?

[onyx sage]

flatline is 15% amp on pulse, it's one of the best weapon talents

[real trench]

Lol only in PVP

[onyx sage]

i don't think you ever ran it. in pve it's already one of the best if you got consistent pulse

[tawdry flare]

Honestly up to you I am crazy so I use

[real trench]

Ig lol

[flint wave]

rock and roll > ouro🥱

[onyx sage]

i don't think any speedrunner is gonna say flatline is bad lol

[real trench]

For speed running I understand lol but other content outside the game, nah. I’d rather have turrets than have pulse on my AR to rely on pulse

Flatline**

[onyx sage]

if we're talking incursion like we have been, it's easier to speed kill the bosses than to deal with mechanics lol

flatline enables you to have crazy burst damage, if you have that it doesn't matter that pulse doesn't last long because the bosses die before that happens

i agree flatline isn't the best in all situations, like without pulse I would run strained as you said

but there are situations where flatline IS best, incursion being one of them

[tawdry flare]

Behind you new meta

[flint wave]

nah, overcharged remote pulse

[tawdry flare]

In incursion for boses puro and bloody knuckle with oc pulse and booster is meta

[real trench]

Grupo gloves works best

[flint wave]

Bloody knuckles is better

[tawdry flare]

The ideal boss dealer build is group mask and bloody knuckle 1 person usually runs coyote and stroker with chest

[real trench]

With grupo you’ll get more percentages within your crits and weapon damage

[onyx sage]

you get 25% total weapon damage with knuckles

[real trench]

That’s how I get 187% crit damage

[onyx sage]

it's a higher overall boost

[real trench]

Bruh

[tawdry flare]

It is just vigilance on gloves

[flint wave]

15% crit damage insignificant compared to 25% twd for melee or grenade

[tawdry flare]

Grenade boss is easy

[real trench]

Bloody knuckles doesn’t touch that surface of damage

[gentle bramble]

isn't there a dps calculator for those questions

[onyx sage]

i don't think you mathed that correctly

let's take your grupo gloves right

[real trench]

How

[onyx sage]

without grupo you have 172% crit damage correct?

[real trench]

187%

[onyx sage]

without

[flint wave]

Bloody knuckles also has crit attributes so the only thing grupo is offering is the brand

[tawdry flare]

15% chd vs 25% twd

[real trench]

If I put it on I’ll get 177

[onyx sage]

???

[real trench]

Big difference

[tawdry flare]

You are matching it wrong

[real trench]

How

[onyx sage]

how do you have less crit damage with grupo

what's your chd with and without grupo

[real trench]

I have MORE with groupo and less with Bloody Knuckles it ain’t better

[flint wave]

This guy didn't do his math correctly

[tawdry flare]

Let me https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/ put your build in this

[real trench]

Ight bet, hold up

Y’all don’t believe me LOL

[onyx sage]

okay say you have 187% crit damage without grupo and 202% with grupo. you go from 1.87 to 2.02, which is 1.08 increase

that's less than a 20% increase which a bloody knuckles is going to give even with FI user

[real trench]

Talkin bout I don’t math

[onyx sage]

this is a math-heavy chat lol

[surreal depot]

Just chameleon

[onyx sage]

if you're disputing math you gotta give math

[gentle lichen]

Numbers high = good

[real trench]

All good, gonna give you proof

[gentle lichen]

Mafs

[flint wave]

inb4 he puts grupo crit damage as a separate multiplier

[gentle lichen]

Crit amplifier

[flint wave]

[onyx sage]

0.6×1.87×1.15

so strong!

[gentle bramble]

Is the ACS-12 the only one that works for the getting stacks of HB?

[onyx sage]

it's the fastest

[gentle lichen]

So long as the target you shoot is pulsed

Doesn't matter the weapon

[gentle bramble]

yeah it has the pulse laser thingie on it so it's always pulsed

[onyx sage]

you can use any gun, it's just going to be stacking speed that differs

[gentle lichen]

Though I'm sure that minitanks you don't get stacks from

[onyx sage]

you don't stack on skill proxies yeah. you can still stack on dogs but other skill proxies you can't

[gentle bramble]

I feel the AR builds waayyy slower than the ACS

[onyx sage]

you're not wrong

[gentle bramble]

so I am assuming isn't a ROF thing

[real trench]

with my Saint Elmo’s AR, I have Groupo gloves that gives me 187.7% Crit DMG and when I put Bloody Knuckles on I loose additional Crit DMG to 160.7%

How’s that good? Lol

[onyx sage]

okay, do you know what you gain from bloody knuckles?

[flint wave]

Cuz you get a talent that gigabuffs your damage output for 20 seconds

[tulip charm]

Bloody is amp right?

[flint wave]

twd

[onyx sage]

bloody is twd

[tulip charm]

Oh

[onyx sage]

25% twd just like vigilance

[tulip charm]

Still is big

[onyx sage]

very big on striker because you don't normally get twd

[real trench]

Only if you melee someone

[onyx sage]

which you can do easily in incursion

[real trench]

I’m talking about overall DMG in general

[onyx sage]

bruh, without meleeing ofc you're going to gain nothing

[real trench]

That’s my point

[onyx sage]

that doesn't matter because you can melee easily in incursion

[real trench]

You gain nothing if you have it on lol

[onyx sage]

because we're talking meta incursion builds

[real trench]

Who melee?

[onyx sage]

boss

[flint wave]

💀

[onyx sage]

you just melee boss lol?

[real trench]

Never seen anyone melee in the Incursion

[gentle lichen]

Maybe it's not so easy to melee when you gate strat

[onyx sage]

because you don't play with good people

[real trench]

I do lol and they don’t melee bosses with BLOODY

[flint wave]

on lovebirds that makes sense they stand still so easy grenade

[real trench]

Never have I seen ppl do it

[flint wave]

wright should be meleed

[onyx sage]

you just run straight up and melee during immune

[real trench]

Tf? Wright

Bruh

[flint wave]

without fire his attacks are ez

[real trench]

Y’all weird lol

[onyx sage]

you should watch incursion speedrun videos

[real trench]

Why should I?

I’ve seen some stuff, but never have I seen ppl use the melee on bosses

Barely

[gentle lichen]

It's a small investment for vigilance type damage buff

[onyx sage]

because you haven't seen people do it, and speedruns are where people do it?

[real trench]

Only while ppl are shooting

[onyx sage]

there are times when the bosses just do nothing

those are when you melee

like wright after he gets hosed

or lovebirds' first 10 seconds

[real trench]

Only for speed running

[onyx sage]

well yes, because speedrunning builds are meta

we are discussing meta builds aren't we?

[flint wave]

tfw speedrun strats is meta for lovebirds

[real trench]

Meta is cringe for this game

[flint wave]

🛌

[gentle lichen]

I'm dead

[onyx sage]

then you can't agree with any of this stuff to begin with so why bother?

you're in a build advice channel

[gentle lichen]

Calling meta players weird is wild

[real trench]

I said Meta is cringe

Where did I say players

Plus I was explaining to y’all bout my build, and there was no advice given

[gentle lichen]

gets recommended a meta strat "y'all weird lol"

[real trench]

Yeah cause whatever y’all run with is wild to me

[onyx sage]

and i explained how losing a little bit of crit damage and trading with something else can gain you more damage overall, and you refuse to listen

if that's the mindset you're sticking with then why bother arguing

it's completely fine to stick to the build you like

[flint wave]

the advice was bloody knuckles > grupo piece

[real trench]

So using Bloody, while melee is beneficial?

[onyx sage]

but if you don't know how it compares to the top tier builds and refuse to acknowledge it then don't argue xyz build is better

[real trench]

To me it doesn’t cause, I’d rather have more damage than having less damage

[onyx sage]

you lose 8% damage to get 25% more damage

[real trench]

I’d rather get 25 more with Groupo

[onyx sage]

you're not

because you have too much crit damage

[real trench]

Bro what you talking about?

[onyx sage]

if you have 160% crit damage, you would need to get 40% more crit damage to even compare to bloody knuckles

because 2/1.6 = 1.25

which you're not going to get

[real trench]

I still stand what I said. I’d rather have a lot of damage then have less damage

[onyx sage]

you can't dispute the math

[gentle lichen]

Omg

[flint wave]

It's not a lot of damage

So

[onyx sage]

that's all i see

[real trench]

What do you see lol

[gentle lichen]

1 number is higher than the other

[onyx sage]

and it's not grupo

[gentle lichen]

25% > 8%

[real trench]

Have you watch Division 2 content creators? DOD? He’ll say run Groupo because you’re gonna get that additional damage output with Saint Elmos and Ouroboros

[onyx sage]

i can pull up dod right here and he will agree with me lmao

[real trench]

Way more DPS

[onyx sage]

@dense seal sorry to ping, need your take on this.

[flint wave]

[real trench]

Let me test it out ✌🏻

Interesting damage I say the least

Idk if dealing the additional 15 or 25% tho

[onyx sage]

it will either deal 20 or 25% more depending on whether you have specific talents

[real trench]

Makes more sense now

I’ll just have to test things out on my spare time. But my apologies for the little argument.

[onyx sage]

sorry if i've been a little heated myself, but a lot of the stuff i say personally in this chat have been peer-reviewed and tested by many people

[real trench]

Yeah myself been a rough day. But yeah that’s understandable

[onyx sage]

just want to reiterate that i have no problem with you or anyone running their builds. i just have issues with misinformation

[real trench]

Maybe it was me with misinformation, who knows lol

But quick question tho

[onyx sage]

i am more than happy to demonstrate how builds work to the extent that i know, and i've been doing it for a while with a lot of others in this chat

[real trench]

Awesome

[onyx sage]

what's your question

[real trench]

In your own opinion. What do you like or dislike about the PTS updates?

[onyx sage]

some of them i like, but i dislike most of the changes

[real trench]

3 things you like about PTS update 1

[onyx sage]

the ones i dislike are regarding descent rotation implementation, mmr damage buffs, and gear combat lock

[real trench]

I agree

[gentle lichen]

Mmr only?

[flint wave]

Weekly and daily projects are actually gonna be worth my time now

[gentle lichen]

Talking about behind you?

[flint wave]

Summit especially

[onyx sage]

off the top of my head, i like the LMG/AR damage buffs, intimidate buff, project rewards buff

oh yeah i dislike heavily behind you

[real trench]

Tinkering Table, Heroic Scaling gear/weapons, and project’s looking forward to it

[flint wave]

behind you being able to be put on any weapon is just insanity

[onyx sage]

yeah, because white death is in a good place, but now m700 carbon and model 700 are powercreeping it in both base damage and optimal range

[gentle lichen]

Still triggered at the part that targeting isn't a thing in pvp
So it's a free 40% amp

[dense seal]

Just woke up. Can't be bothered reading, give me the short version

[gentle lichen]

Won't mind model 700 but carbon it's too much

Would make ekim's long stick usable lol

[onyx sage]

in striker chest build with ouro for incursion, is it worth trading grupo gloves with bloody knuckles?

provided the player can make use of it

[dense seal]

For adds, no. Turrets and Tanker.
Bosses . . . . Wright and Lovebirds specifically.
I would question your sanity if you are not using Bloody Knuckles.
At this point, with the knowledge we have, with even casual groups rocking sub 10 minute times, there is genuinley no reason to not run Bloody Knuckles, Ceska Piece, 4 Strikers.

[onyx sage]

right, i should've added against bosses

thanks for your time and sorry for pinging

[dense seal]

All good. Always happy to help.
Was this the answer you were looking for?

[flint wave]

yes

[real trench]

Thank you

[onyx sage]

yes, thanks dod

[gentle lichen]

Another question. Would it still be worth to have 1 player as coyotes so it's 2 bloody 1 coyotes or 3 bloody would be better? Assuming 4th is FI healer With chest

[dense seal]

Just did a quick scan up.
On Turrets and Tanker, do not use Bloody Knuckles.
On Wrights, use them, you also do not have to melee, you can, but Meleeing Wright is a bit on the hot side. Since I recommend using Sledge hammer anyway . . . . This will also activate Bloody Knuckles, as it is melee AND Nade.
Against Lovebirds. You can VERY EASILY melee. Can also nade for Sledge and Bloody.
Typically we run 2 Bloody Knuckles and 1 Coyotes, though this is simple because we help a newer player through and they have a greater understanding and a re more comfortable with Coyotes. While the 3 more experience will take 2 Bloody Knuckles and the healer role.
If you are a full team of experienced. 3 Bloody Knnuckles is king.

[gentle lichen]

Great info. Much appreciated

[shy willow]

Just thought I'd get some more perspective, what do people run for diag?

[surreal depot]

Healer

[split lagoon]

I have a complete Cavalier set, what build is it good for?

[visual plover]

Can be a solid tank

[tawdry flare]

New meta just dropped

[tawdry iron]

? it’s a diag build

[tawdry flare]

My bad didn't thought of diag

[split lagoon]

I tried it and it also protects me from bleeding effects of the Backfire SMG.

[visual plover]

Ooo that’s smart!

[split lagoon]

Especially when I added some bleeding resistance and additional hazard protection (including some being recalibrated).

Without them, that SMG would be an agonizing pain.

[tawdry flare]

If you are above the cap it doesn't matter for bleed

The backfire getting dttoc

If ever they should reduce the % from stack make it 2% per stack and keep the bleed

[wide silo]

guys I still need some help!
I almost finished my EP Build but i feel like the Fire Chem is super clunky.
I use the Skill and have to switch back to my Weapon and then set it on fire.
Is there some "easier" way to do it?
Feels like it takes me 5 Minutes to set that shit on fire. xD

[shy willow]

Fire sticky

[wide silo]

yeah. I use that too!

[shy willow]

If Ur having issues with setting stuff on fire then use the sticky more often

iirc it's hitscan and it'll instantly set anyone in the radius on fire

[wide silo]

So the answer is to just dismiss the Fire Chem? xD

[shy willow]

If it's harder and more clunky for you to use the fire starter then I don't see why not

[tawdry flare]

There is a trick to fire sticky if you aim and double tap the sticky it will go where it was aimed

[wide silo]

but wouldnt that result in less fire and less dmg also?
I mean Fire Chem does a good job, right?

[shy willow]

Not if you can't hit anything with it

[wide silo]

I have no problem with Fire Sticky but with Fire Chem. It feels clunky to use.

[tawdry flare]

Have you tried double tapping on chems icon instead of firing gun

[wide silo]

yeah i just figured that out. Guess i ll have to get used to that.

Thanks!

[tawdry flare]

The thing is if you are shooting chem and using gun that is wasted swap time

Just double tap so they get on fire

[wide silo]

I mean the Skill feels just different to use.
Sticky is aim, shoot, release and good to go. Chem just feels weird in that regard. 😛

[tawdry flare]

It takes a bit used to

[wide silo]

I dont understand?

[shy willow]

Shoot it and double tap the key you have binded to it

[tawdry flare]

I meant double tap on skill icon it is an efficient ways to use the skill

Any skill for quick deployment

[wide silo]

oh. So it sets on fire automatically?

I did not knew that!

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

That is what i was saying deploy and double tap

[wide silo]

That will save some time! Thanks!

I was using Chem, switched back to my Gun and then fired that thing with my gun.
Took like ages. xD

Another thing i noticed since I was used to it.
I always just went into Enemies face right away. Cannot do that with EP Build.
It is more like a tactical approach to set things up on fire while i watch them all burn.
Will things get "more easy" if I would switch to Tactician and slot 1 blue?
Or is that noob thinking? xD

[shy willow]

This isn't really a game where you facetank

Unless you're on iron horse really

Not using cover will get you killed

Not being aware of your position will also get you killed

[wide silo]

Yeah I noticed that a lot lately. 😛
Thanks tho!
BTW Everlasting Gaze, or like a MK 17 Police with the Perpetuation Perk.
Would that work good on that Build?
Or Test Subject still the better choice?

[shy willow]

Everlasting gaze will work but only on your initial fire

Status spread by ep will not have the perpetuation applied

[wide silo]

Oh ok.
So its just some added initial burst kinda?

So should I try to get Capacitor then?

[hexed steppe]

Double click your skill button for chem after deployed and itll ignite the cloud without shooting it

Ig I was late

[wide silo]

Yeah. Some other guys mentioned that.

[hexed steppe]

Disregard 🤣

[wide silo]

But thanks anyways my man!

[bright raptor]

"more easy" comes with getting map knowledge of where the spawn doors are and becoming more precise with your chem launcher shots

EP is mostly a group only build but you're an insanely valuable asset to your group once you get the hang of things

also you're not truly experienced without accidentally setting yourself on instakill fire at least once 😛

[hollow pasture]

Teammate runs in front of me

[tawdry flare]

Accidentally oxi

[shy willow]

People running Infront of me when I have my oxi out is argh

[tawdry flare]

Teammates acting as Hyena Rusher

[wide silo]

my man!
This just happened to me in Summit.
Wanted to get the Capacitor and insta killed me twice with sticky. 😂

[wide silo]

It is kinda like the first Build i finished.
It is not perfectly rolled but i would say i am close to 80%. 🙂

[tawdry flare]

That's where you are wrong it is group as well as solo build just know how to play smart

[bright raptor]

*play on normal or hard where the fire ticks reliably kill all but the tanks and named enemies

[vestal ibex]

On normal and hard you can't even use the firestarter, the initial flame burst insta kills them and you'll get no spread.

[wide silo]

noticed that as well. Even against some yellow bars. They die so fast you dont get any spread.

[tawdry flare]

Fire chems works till heroic

I use creeping death chems on hard

[wide silo]

That is without Vile Mask then?
Is that Setup much different then the "normal" one?

[tawdry flare]

not really i use vile with creeping death for fire chems on hard and emp pulse with eclipse bag vile on normal

[wide silo]

but Creeping Death is worse in higher Tier Difficulty?
I have read a few reddit post from like a year ago or so that stated Backpack with Creeping Death is BiS.

[tawdry flare]

Yes it is but I use this build for hard event on league put a sticky on NPC fire spread creeping death done

[onyx sage]

it's best to use a shotgun with in sync, because burn damage scales with DTA and you can proc in sync beforehand

[tawdry flare]

I would advise for mop shotgun for EP/Mortar Grenade

With insync

Kill and recover health on kill while taking full advantage of data and insync

[wide silo]

I am actually using Scorpio. 🙂

[tawdry flare]

U should use mop apply burn switch to Scorpio only in need

[onyx sage]

yes use it

[wide silo]

Now i am glad i kept it! xD

What should i reroll the 3rd Perk to?

[tawdry flare]

It is fixed reroll talent to insync

Mop and Scorpio are the same base shotgun

[wide silo]

It has that Talent by deafult, no?

[tawdry flare]

You can change the talent to whatever you want

On mop and white death

[wide silo]

I was using Test Subject before with Scorpio.

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage @vestal ibex @urban latch what should be my next name will since this name has been successful

[onyx sage]

do you care about descent

[tawdry flare]

No

[onyx sage]

then idk

[urban latch]

Your uplay name

[flint wave]

🤯

[onyx sage]

that makes too much sense raucey

[wide silo]

@onyx sage @tawdry flare so you guys dont leave the house without your Mop?

[onyx sage]

yeah for burn we use mop with in sync

[tawdry flare]

When I am living in EP and Mortar house we don't leave without Mop

[wide silo]

What is the Mortar House?

[tawdry flare]

Mortar build

[onyx sage]

he means a mortar build, where you also use a mop with in sync

[flint wave]

Go back to original name

[wide silo]

oh. Havent heared about that one.
Sounds cool also. 🙂

[onyx sage]

one of the highest skill ceiling builds

[shy willow]

Preach brother we gotta get gate strat banned

[wide silo]

Can i find that Build in HUB?

[tawdry flare]

OFC thnx to this guy here @urban latch he had too much free time

[wide silo]

Is it much much harder to play then EP Burn?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh it depends on person tbh I find it easier to use than ep but it can't be used to great effect in closed spaces due to trajectory of mortars

[wide silo]

I am playing for a week now. So it might be harder especially since i have no clue about Mob Spawns and such. xD

[tawdry flare]

You can check my GitHub repo it has some spawns listed

It is pinned in my description

[tulip scarab]

What’s the best striker build at the moment? Not played this game in ages but coming back

[tulip charm]

4 piece with backpack, coyotes mask and ceska/groupo chest with obliterate. Can replace coyotes with memento for solo. You can run striker chest instead for leg, incursion, raids.

[flint wave]

pure damage always uses striker bag

[tulip scarab]

Would you go for the king breaker AR?

[tulip scarab]

Thank you!

[tulip scarab]

Thank you 🙏

[tulip charm]

Also dont forget to run an acs12 secondary for stacks

[tulip scarab]

Yes I was going to add that as my secondary

[flint wave]

nah it's bad at stacking and the gun is mid

[tulip scarab]

What would you suggest as a primary?

[flint wave]

elmo police m4 famas

f2000

[tulip scarab]

Perfect, thanks for the advice

[rich cosmos]

I see they obliterated behind you in the patch notes

Was hoping they wouldn’t butcher this bad but maybe the named sniper will still be decent when it drops

[shy willow]

I wouldn't say that obliterated it

It's still good but now I don't think it'll pull people away from determined

[tulip charm]

has anyone tried the classic m1a with behind you?

[vestal ibex]

Breh never was gonna.

[shy willow]

True

[rich cosmos]

These developer notes are honestly disappointing outside of gear lock

[shy willow]

But it was hitting dumb numbers on pts right

[vestal ibex]

HH snipers don't need more damage anyway.

[flint wave]

Disappointed that behind you got nerfed?

[rich cosmos]

No disappointed it got destroyed

[shy willow]

Besides it was way more broken on assault rifles which now won't get it

[rich cosmos]

The named sniper is probably the only weapon that will actually pull off the talent

[flint wave]

Would rather blatantly op stuff be destroyed then stay op

[rich cosmos]

Have they addressed the fact that the mdr has less limb damage yet

[onyx sage]

i don't think they even know

[dreamy valve]

Determined still remains king for mmr

[vestal ibex]

King of 🧀

[dreamy valve]

lul at rugged gauntlet overall

[urban latch]

M1As, especially in raids, will be very strong with it

[tulip charm]

I do want to try the named m16 if they say it hits similar numbers

[hexed steppe]

That's some positive notes in my book.
Overpowered shit being drawn back.
Stupid shit being canned (gear lock)

[tawdry flare]

That doesn't sound like you

[round pewter]

I just got back into the game after a few year hiatus. Anytime I get looked at by a Rouge agent in the DZ all of my armor and health dissappear. What do I grind to give me a chance to run back to spawn before my health gets drained?

[rich lotus]

Sorry to say, but it's quite hard to run away from someone going rogue, esp if it's behind your back. But of course a 6 blue core build with unbreakable and adrenaline rush helps a little. A decoy that you could drop if you get behind a corner or similar. Invest in armor regen if you can as well. If they flag before they reach/see you, decoy and running away will probably work better. And finally, you got to play smart in DZ, always be aware of your surroundings. Which can be harder if you're engaged with NPCs.

Foundry Bullwark gear set with a Belstone Armory piece will give you a little better damage resistance because of the regen, but don't expect miracles. This is only for making you a little tougher and bettering your survival odds when running away, it won't perform miracles and most importantly is not meant for actual PvP engagement.

[bright raptor]

also sometimes it really is that the other guy is using cheats to see your hitbox from the other side of the DZ and oneshot you

[rich lotus]

Yeah, that too. 😐

[wise swallow]

6 blue. unbreakable, learn how to strafe properly

[sudden fog]

What’s best exotic to put with striker buid

[glad heart]

SMG: Ouroboros; AR: St Elmo's Engine

[fervent cosmos]

I've been back in the game a since a couple weeks, im trying to run a skill build. With 4 rigger, im farming for a waveform exotic holster. Any tips for me?

[fickle light]

drop rigger, you can get more damage from other brands and you will have better skill cycles (because you wont be limited to just skill damage on your gear)

But a tip overall is to drop skill builds for awhile. Not entirely, but for newer players the most important thing is to get up to speed quickly, and skill builds are anything but quick.

[shy willow]

^ as it stands they're too slow to be worth using unless you have a more specialized build like mortar or something

[fickle light]

Like, if you wanna use them, its cool. But this is build advice, and i'm gonna tell you- in heroic solo you'll be taking twice or three times as long to clear stuff versus a normal red build, or even a hybrid

[shy willow]

Its only really there for cheese gaming

[fickle light]

and in group heroic stuff you'll be lagging behind due to needing to place your skills and shoot along with them, rather than just getting up and going. That, and you wont be doing much damage in legendary, or worse, the incursion/raids where damage is the thing you need a lot of.

Dont get me wrong- i love skill builds. i do, they are what i started Div1 and Div2 with, but they just cant keep up with how the game plays now. For solo its fine if you can survive with them, but the time needed just makes them feel unoptimal.

[shy willow]

Tactician was wonderful on div 1 given how difficult legendary was

And seeker mines were much more powerful

[tulip charm]

Seeker mines and sticky bomb in d1 was fun

[shy willow]

It really was

[fervent cosmos]

I used to run hunter with red cores only smg build but i felt like i didnt do any damage at all

[wheat anchor]

Crit damage and chance attributes is what gives the bulk of the damage

Also having the 15% smg damage from your specialisation makes a difference

I made a backfire hazprot build yesterday, forgot a weapon core and specialisation smg damage and I did like 25k less

[hoary atlas]

Crowd Control PVE Be Like

[fervent cosmos]

Alleight i got like 133k damage on my smg, 15 crit chance, 57 crit damage. But i felt like i just tickled the enemy

[wheat anchor]

Theres the problem, 15% crit chance

Should be closer to 45 or 50

[fervent cosmos]

Allright thanks gonna work on that, much appreciated

[tulip charm]

You poor soul trying to cc as a tank 😢

[hoary atlas]

Hold my beer

[gentle lichen]

You're drawing the aggro of the random flies over rotten food on summit floors

Ads will not look at you exclusively because you pulled a shield out

[hoary atlas]

Don't worry I use that

[gentle lichen]

Threat mechanic doesn't exist here unfortunately

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hazy steeple]

Well technically it does, just not in a way that's all that useful to us.

[gentle lichen]

In way you can control it

Not even mosquito i believe would be effective at that

[shy willow]

Mosquito and the decoy are like the only way to draw threat

Idk if it's actually a thing but I definitely feel like every single add prioritises whoever is doing the best on the team too

[fresh grove]

I was going to ask what would be better? System corruption or Yaahl? I would think Yaahl would be better but I want everyone’s opinions. At least in the DZ

[flint wave]

yaahl

use a decoy and it's basically invisibility

[fresh grove]

Got it

[weary pier]

how do i increasse my stats?

it feels like im not doing optimal dps

[tulip charm]

What do you want to keep

Run 60% chc and replace chest with a groupo chest piece with obliterate. You shouldn’t run striker chest if you’re not doing Legendary, Raids, and Incursion. Also I would replace Lady Death for something like Elmo, Carbine 7, Famas, Police M4. Lady Death isn’t good when you start pushing higher difficulty content.

Also what are those blue mods?

And try Gunner or Firewall Spec instead.

[weary pier]

in progress of unlocking those

[weary pier]

im going for a run n gun build thats why i was using lady death + 2 armour on kill mods

ive tried hunter fury but the damage doesnt go up as much as strikers

[tulip charm]

While HF doesnt give you insane damage compared to striker it has tons of utility to make it up for

[weary pier]

in this case i jus swap the 4p striker for HF?

[tulip charm]

Well its up to you just pick one I’d help with the rest

[weary pier]

if i swap my grupo maks for cheska

[tulip charm]

Ok biggest issue

No chest

You'd want something like this

Imagine the chest piece is groupo and you can run any number of blue if you need more survivability

Those blue mods needs to be replaced with Crit hit damage

So just use striker for countdown to farm the rest of the build

[weary pier]

ok so just
find better chest
replace blue mod with red
for survivability just change to blue cores

[tulip charm]

Dont forget a better gun. For countdown run something like this.

[weary pier]

i dont have coyote so im just running the grupo mask and ceska gloves

[tulip charm]

yeah that good

[tepid trout]

Expertise 1 😢

[stuck junco]

what would the best specialization be to help me through solo legendary? Specifically thinking of the buffs, not the actual weapon

i'm running rifles with a striker/heartbreaker build, whatever seems to do a bit better

[flint wave]

gunner

[rich lotus]

I like gunner because of the armor on kill, 3rd reload speed buff, and ammo regen.

BUT technician is also decent with both it's skill tier AND extra damage against robotics.

[stuck junco]

yeah i'm torn between both of those lol

especially armour on kill with gunner, been missing that a lot

[tulip charm]

Too lazy. Also the laziness benefitted me for Project Resolve.

[acoustic coral]

Saaamee! Just patiently waiting on Resolve right now before I throw expertise on my elmo

[tulip charm]

wait rifles with striker? I hope you mean ARs

[bronze hound]

i run firewall because i have a fixer drone

[flint wave]

imagine if fixer drone was good

[weary pier]

firerate build

[hollow pasture]

Need oreo for peak gun go brrrrr

[weary pier]

no oreo 😦

[hollow pasture]

You could also probably stack pretty insane fire rate running chatterbox at max stacks

[weary pier]

dont ahve that either

[vestal ibex]

Chatter is just a crafting project. Depending on your luck it could take 15-30 minutes.

[weary pier]

this build is so much fun with the lady death i can kill a chonccy guy in 20 second

[hazy steeple]

Difficulty kinda matters, and also which heavy.

[slate nest]

Yes (thanks golden bullet)

[weary pier]

heroic minigun

[hazy steeple]

Depending on certain things, not bad at all.

this is in GB or nah?

[hollow pasture]

Yea it's a meme fire rate build for GB

It's fun

[weary pier]

nah

[hollow pasture]

Put GB on then wyd
More gun go brrrrr

[weary pier]

will try it, global events not really up my alley

[hollow pasture]

Somehow the servers haven't combusted into flames with that much rpm

[weary pier]

yea even the ammo counters arent that quick

[hazy steeple]

The GE's are actually being tweaked quite a bit with Project Resolve, keep an eye out. Good changes.
but right now GB is by far the strongest one. It's just straight up "when you kill the enemy with the little yellow line, you get ridiculously high killing power".

and every kill with it active free refills your magazine, including spec weapons.

[hollow pasture]

Flamethrower gaming 😎

[hazy steeple]

Demo grenade-launcher, but you didn't hear that from me.

[weary pier]

I know this may sound funny considering its the division but i like a more realistic kinda gameplay

GE feels cartoony to me although i played guardians and golden bullet its still fun

[hazy steeple]

Oh for sure it's silly, but taking advantage of the bonus killing power to get some free faster levels isn't half bad.
If that doesn't interest you, then no issue, just play at your own pace and you'll get there anyway.

[sullen sun]

Look ok for PvP?

Does having that extra 10% Marksman rifle dmg justify running Airaldi bag?

[flint wave]

yes

[rich lotus]

Or try to farm two unicorn Habsburg that you can switch to red core and run glass cannon + vigilance

[hollow pasture]

That's easier said than done

[rich lotus]

Yeah, I know. 🙂

[hollow pasture]

It will either drop first time or take you 2 months

[rich lotus]

That's RNG for you. 🙂

I know it's not time efficient, but I actually prefer farming the Summit solo vs Countdown solo. I usually run Heroic Summit with 6-8 directives.

[flint wave]

make it legendary so you can get better rolls which countdown can't do

[vestal ibex]

And get big horn.

[rich lotus]

I've done some legendary summit solo but I usually find it's not worth it to be honest. Time to complete vs drops

I got the Big Horn that way actually. Was quite happy when I did.

[flint wave]

I think it's more efficient if your going for gear mods since they have to drop max rolled

[rich lotus]

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. I have a bunch of max rolled reds, but I'm actually hunting for a perfect pulse resistance so might grind some legendary summit for that.

[flint wave]

I'm still on the hunt for 13% pfe

[rich lotus]

That is a rare unicorn

[flint wave]

I literally have a max rolled incoming repairs

[rich lotus]

This is my goto build up to Heroic. I alternate with the M4 with killer. It handles Heroic Summit with 7 directives as well.

[flint wave]

you should put some blue cores on so memento bonus armor is meaningful

[rich lotus]

Yeah, I've found mostly that I don't need it to be honest.

[hollow pasture]

Max rolled pulse res mod

[hexed steppe]

blue cores not needed on nego

[hollow pasture]

I also got recently a max ensnare duration skill mod

[flint wave]

me too

I have a max blind resist mod too

[hexed steppe]

honestly would bother with memento either. better transfer with the nego bag

[rich lotus]

My second most used build. A little more squishy than nego due to only one blue core and no skill tiers, but Carthasis gives a little extra survivability. As long as I play smart it holds up well. Don't always use the scorpio as 2nd though.

[flint wave]

max pulse resist mod is honestly useless since it doesn't tell you you've gotten pulsed and you can get pulse immunity with a 9.7% mod(and it will tell you if you got pulsed)

catharsis is mid

[rich lotus]

I know, but I really like the memento when it's at full stacks, it gives a great damage buff, and also the short time buff when you pick up a trophy, esp since many areas in summit are fairly closed.

[rich lotus]

Aha, I thought you needed 100% pulse res to actually get it. I have two 9.9% mods already.

[patent fossil]

99.9% tells you you have been pulsed (and tells the pulser that there was a threat detected) but the duration is effectively zero

[rich lotus]

Okay, but I suspect 100% is needed to negate spotter/flatline?

Or is there a lower threshold for that as well?

[flint wave]

nah

[hexed steppe]

mem is raw weapon damage. i like memento for some stuff, but its less damage than nego bag/coyote mask. 40% extra on crit transfers is kindof a big deal...

[urban latch]

Or vigilance

[hexed steppe]

probably better off striker memento if not fully utilizing the transfer

i wouldnt vig on nego.. if i want single target i would striker

[tawdry flare]

nego is broken strong already

[rich lotus]

So you would swap memento for nego backpack, but should I then use some blues on the gear set if I want less squish?

[flint wave]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

no, you use cover

[flint wave]

be careful how many you use tho

[hexed steppe]

nego isnt an out front set, itsd a cover based damage set

[flint wave]

do both

[hexed steppe]

for general use there isnt much point to blue cores

[rich lotus]

I have a belstone chest with oblitirate which gives a blue core and a little regen (if only 1%). perhaps that is enough if I run nego backpack and coyotes to get less squishy

It's nearly perfect chc/chd

[flint wave]

nah don't give up damage brandsets and 1% regen isn't alot

[rich lotus]

Okay, maybe just swap one of the nego to blue then

I have some already

[hexed steppe]

take what i say with a grain of salt. i only really build for damage on a damage set. survivability in my eyes is just using cover, situational awareness, possible shield/revive hive

[rich lotus]

I have too much old Quake (Q1, Q3A) player in me so I tend to face trade more than I should in games like these. That's probably why I tend to have a little more survivability in my builds. 😅

[onyx sage]

1 blue core isn't going to be that big of an impact if you're not using a shield

and as akthompson says, unless you're stacking some decent bit of armor regen, 1% isn't a lot

[rich lotus]

I do use the shield with the current nego build, since memento + technician equals 3 tier.

Anyway, I'll do some experimenting, moving some pieces around.

[livid bridge]

i see so many people using the shield in countdown. its rare to see much else

[onyx sage]

it's one of the best skills you can use

[vestal ibex]

Disposable health that regens???

[hexed steppe]

this is my setup, i just kinda utilize aok from gunner

[flint wave]

rip chest piece mod

[vestal ibex]

New brandset with 20% AOK....

[hexed steppe]

its loadout, not active

[flint wave]

⠀

[onyx sage]

it's the flashbang mod from div1

[hexed steppe]

it would be chd

[dry zealot]

created a 4red2blue4yellow build > cant decide if it should go 613 or 316 and which skills to use (shield for the 3/4yellow)