td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

mostly base weapon damage changes across AR, LMG and MMRs, behind you and shield peek tbh

[bronze hound]

wdym

[onyx sage]

"behind you" is the busted weapon talent

and shield peek removal

[bronze hound]

what does it do

[onyx sage]

40% amp towards any enemy not looking at you

[bronze hound]

what the fuck

who thought that through .-.

[onyx sage]

perfect is 60%

[bronze hound]

what is perfect on

[onyx sage]

m700 carbon

[bronze hound]

youre fucking kidding

[onyx sage]

normal can go on any weapon type

[bronze hound]

welp thats the new meta sniper now i guess

any other changes to meta?

[onyx sage]

oh yeah some brand set buffs

[gentle lichen]

Also you can make like 1.7m health builds with 40% health on kill flat with firewall? On an all red

[bronze hound]

which ones are noteworthy

[onyx sage]

ceska, 5.11 and other health brands

[bronze hound]

theyre adding higher healths?

[gentle lichen]

Anything health related has been 3x to 9x

[bronze hound]

damn

thats kinda unnecessary

[gentle lichen]

Attribute is the same

[bronze hound]

ah okay so the only real gear change was health buff

im still not fully understanding the purpose behind that

[gentle lichen]

There has been changes to other attributes too i am sure murakami got like 30% skill damage?

[onyx sage]

habsburg 2p is 20% mmr damage instead of 15%, and idc about the 3p

[gentle lichen]

Promote the usage of ninja

[bronze hound]

it ruins pvp even more tho

because its literally just gonna be tanks running around and thats it

[gentle lichen]

At least non shock tanks

That change also makes firewall medkit double as effective

Since it gives 15% health regen per second in pvp

[bronze hound]

yeah that wasnt a smart move on the devs part

[woven pewter]

Not at all, because they'll cap hp pool at 2k shd lvl.

So no more creeps with unlimited hps after that.

[bronze hound]

you still have people with health as if they were 500k shd

[woven pewter]

Thats my point. They'll remove that.

[bronze hound]

and even then, dz at this second is mostly high armour high expertise

its just decreasing diversity

[woven pewter]

Yea, agents with high expertise are... But arent they gonna remove expertise outside of pve?

[gentle lichen]

No

[rich lotus]

They just made it cheaper

[gentle lichen]

Just for conflict

[rich lotus]

More accessibility

What's the point of expertise in pvp?

[woven pewter]

24% more wpn dmg, if maxed.

[bronze hound]

+24% weapon damage with no cost in armour

[rich lotus]

Yeah but why is expertise even enabled in pvp is what I mean

[bronze hound]

oh it totally shouldnt be

[gentle lichen]

And all weapon damage has more value the more blues you have

[rich lotus]

I find it dumb honestly

[bronze hound]

youre not the only one .-.

[rich lotus]

Looking at this, everything 25% thats 150% total armor just from expertise lol

[bronze hound]

the total armour doesnt do anything mind you

[gentle lichen]

Not total TOTALLY NOT

[bronze hound]

because its total based off the base armour and disregards blue attributes

[tawdry flare]

Have you seen the new talent 40% amp to enemies not aggro on you

[gentle lichen]

just the base armor from every gearpiece

[bronze hound]

yes im more concerned by the perfect version being on a clip-fed sniper

[hollow pasture]

I would bet good money on it being nerfed

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lol

[vestal ibex]

full expetise on all your armor is just over 1 armor core worth.

[tawdry flare]

Needs to be 20/25% imo

[tawdry flare]

Under*

[bronze hound]

it needs to be 15/20 imo

is it under?

someone math the math pls lol

[hollow pasture]

It needs to be on rifles and mmrs and pistols only imo

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure it's over.

[bronze hound]

i think it would be funny on a vector lol

or an m870

[tawdry flare]

What is max expertise

[rich lotus]

Wym, I just added up all 25%

Does it not work that way in pvp?

[bronze hound]

no like

25% disregarding armour cores

so the base armour on a backpack is around 90k if i recall, so its 125% of that

[tawdry flare]

We can do simple

[vestal ibex]

Armor has a base value, expertise applies to that.

[tawdry flare]

732k base armour

-10% from watch

[rich lotus]

Thats still much better than 0% added to that no?

[bronze hound]

658.8k

[tawdry flare]

K

@vestal ibex

[hushed gorge]

You can use other backpacks but this troll build kinda works on DZ and 1v1 or 1v2 situations

[gentle lichen]

Very worthwhile investment

[bronze hound]

thats not the right math lol

[tawdry flare]

That is right it would be 164.5k armour

[rich lotus]

That's what I mean

[bronze hound]

its not lol

[tawdry flare]

How

[bronze hound]

wait

[tawdry flare]

Base armour is 658k 25% increased armour on each

[bronze hound]

sorry nvm my brain failed on me

[tawdry flare]

Simple Dimple

[hushed gorge]

All I need now is a great rolled Matador Backpack🥲

[bronze hound]

give me a break -.-

[vestal ibex]

Eh just under or over still not worth 252 exo comps after resolve hits.

[gentle lichen]

I am sure many pvpers will say otherwise

That's more armor/more bonus armor(ad rush)/more armor on unbreakable/ more armor on firewall medkit

[bronze hound]

the pvpers exploited exo components anyways

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex under 170k I was correct

[vestal ibex]

I mean box running isn't an exploit is it?

[bronze hound]

most do the whole spam new characters thing

[gentle lichen]

That is still a thing?

[bronze hound]

its more reliable than box farming because you dont have to deal with box theft + rng

[gentle lichen]

What's your expected hourly income of that

[bronze hound]

also the box rng is bullshit i was looking for four hours, checked like 100+ boxes and got 2 components

[bronze hound]

i cant remember

[gentle lichen]

It truly is rng i got like 10 components from a run at east/south

Took me 15 minutes

[vestal ibex]

I think it's about 8 minutes to get 1?

[bronze hound]

which is 7/hr

[gentle lichen]

Slower but much more consistent then

[bronze hound]

definitely more consistent

[bronze hound]

this was just fucked up

but overall i dont even bother with it; pvp is too far gone and theyre just worsening it with expertise lol

and PR didnt help much

they just made the gap even larger between new and veteran players

if you want my honest take on this update, its that the game is going in a worse direction. and thats the first time ive actually said that about any update

[hollow pasture]

Meh it's another update

[bronze hound]

you should know how much hope i had for this game lol

[hollow pasture]

If the update works and new players /casuals somehow like it more than it works for them tbh

Idt they give a shit about the sweats

Considering that alot of this community doom posts about the game constantly

[tawdry flare]

Ofc ex Dev

[bronze hound]

That joke has long lost its appeal please stop

[hollow pasture]

Same with the 5.11

[tawdry flare]

I haven't joked about 5.11 for a while

[hollow pasture]

Ur pfp is a remnant

[tawdry flare]

I am going to change it after 5.11 incursion clear

[hollow pasture]

When is that

[tawdry flare]

Ask my teammates not me

[vestal ibex]

Not this week either lol

[tawdry flare]

This guy is more excited than me

[hollow pasture]

Ur gonna do it with the buffed 5. 11 next season!!!

[vestal ibex]

Might be better off getting palworld and playing it with that group tho.

Regardless that incursion isn't going to be as hard as you think. There are other ways that would be more of a challenge.

Why don't you solo flawless it with only 5.11 gear sets?

[hollow pasture]

Holy shit 5.11 has gear sets now

[vestal ibex]

I mean in his mind probably.

It's gear and a full set.

[tawdry flare]

5.11 brand set

[hollow pasture]

Might aswell add a 5.11 branded gun

[vestal ibex]

Would it shoot popcorn like the snowball gun?

[hollow pasture]

Shoots garbage

And jams constantly

Only with 5.11™️

[tawdry flare]

You would be superised it is already ™

https://www.511tactical.com/

[tulip charm]

its real

[hollow pasture]

Yea I know it's a real brand smh

[flint wave]

how long did that take to make(in seconds)

[slate nest]

10 minutes

[tawdry flare]

511 seconds

[shy willow]

Solo discovery DH with 6 piece 511

[dreamy valve]

I heard they buffed the .511 3rd pc

[vestal ibex]

This was PTS phase 2 and meh.

It will help him do these solo runs tho.

[eager remnant]

I have made a striker, exuro and a support class

im thinking true patriot but not sure if its good or if it is what should i special on it?

[flint wave]

tank

[eager remnant]

bet defense and health

[flint wave]

Using pointman and the setup

[eager remnant]

what about a sniper build?

[flint wave]

hotshot with chainkiller chest

[eager remnant]

ok

thank you

[dreamy valve]

Im loving backfire with golden bullet

[broken pewter]

i love the builds i create im so stupid lmao

[pearl carbon]

With white death and talent as determained

Biggest part about that build unless you are a really good aim

But that's not alot of people because the hit box is worst the cod when in comes to sniping

But is one of the best build solo nearly anything even manhunts🤣

[sterile solar]

Relatively new player here. Need a good build to start with, that contains either a smg or an ar. Preferably with no exotics. Anyone got some help?

[junior surge]

Strikers with ceska and grupo, obliterate as chest talent. Gu ner specialization, skills of your choice

[random sigil]

I think someone already told me this, but I forgot, good DZ starter build to clear landmarks and possibly defend against people who attack me?

[pearl carbon]

Catharsis unbreakable perfect adrenaline with ceska and grupo or foxes and picaros

1.5mil armor rest red pre sure that's the meta build

[wise swallow]

4 striker with backpack. Unbreakable and ceska. all blue
Coyote, ceska, fenris, contractors, foxes, picario's. all blue. Unbreakable, adrush.
Catharsis, metador, ceska, fenris, foxes, groupo or picario's. all blue. Unbreakable

take your pick

Could play around with highend + momento

[random sigil]

ah okay it. Is matador the one with perfect ad rush?

[wise swallow]

mhm

[random sigil]

coool

[hidden copper]

Just recently hit 30 and finishing off the campaign, about to move to NY. I'm playing a skills build (striker drone + some healing for myself). I read a lot about "3 pc empress, 2 hana-u and 1 wyvern" builds moving into NY - is that the way to go still?

[bright raptor]

yes, but this will only really be doable once you complete the expansion'

the final mission will really hurt if you're using a skill build

[mighty flame]

whats a doable tip of spear build?

[shy willow]

Skill builds are good but slow down the game exponentially

[hidden copper]

I'm an old fart and my reflexes aren't "there" anymore. I mostly play solo as well 🙂

[shy willow]

You can totally run one just careful with getting jammed or hacked

[primal horizon]

hello all, would any of you mind telling me if there is a cookie cutter MMR HSD build 'meta' atm please?

[bright raptor]

4PC Hotshot, 1pc Airaldi Vigilance Backpack, 1x W&D Chainkiller

[primal horizon]

first off, thank you... wonder if the perfect headhunter is worth it over normal HH on something with HSD like prov defense

[shy willow]

If you feel less comfy chaining heads then you can swap the chest and a hotshot piece to habs

[bright raptor]

if you can get the unicorn Headshot Damage and Weapon Handling rolls on both, replace the Airaldi with a Hapsburg Guard Vigilance backpack and 1 Hotshot piece with another Hapsburg

it's possible but I don't recommend it as farming them is a pain

[primal horizon]

yeah, makes sense, I've been looking at Haps but it seems to like blue rolls on main

[shy willow]

Core will always roll blue so you gotta get really lucky to get the right rolls

[primal horizon]

also, is the weapon handling preference because you'd never be able to stack enough of the other offensive stats in that kind of build?

[shy willow]

Chests and bag are even worse cuz you gotta get the right talent too

[shy willow]

Mhmmm crits are useless in most MMR builds

Weapon handling is nice QOL

[bright raptor]

it's the only relevant roll since if you're loading up headshot damage you won't critical hit often or do much critical hit damage

[primal horizon]

yeah, figure it would never be enough to be a reliable buff

well thanks for the input, one last question, is there any kind of normal rifle build or is that basically a dead weapon type outside sub-optimal "just for fun" kind of builds?

[bright raptor]

rifles fall under the standard high end all critical hit chance + critical hit damage type builds

also Negotiator's Dilemma

[primal horizon]

ty

[hollow pasture]

Negotiators with focus works well for rifles if you like that playstyle

[pearl carbon]

Negotiators is also amazing for IH raids

With gunslinger 4piece negotiator and ceska or grupo with regulas plus ravenous

[tawdry flare]

Negotiators is just broken busted gear set capable of feat no other gear set can hope

[hexed steppe]

Cant run 2 exo weapons. Once resolve drops hotswapping will be a thing of the past as well

[pearl carbon]

I meant for hot swapping but Dam sucks they removing it );

[pearl carbon]

100%

[hexed steppe]

Yeah fr

[hazy steeple]

"capable of feat no other gear set can hope"?

[pearl carbon]

Meaning it has more damage capabilities then any other

[hazy steeple]

The emote is usually used as a mark of sarcasm here by the way, so gear.lock was probably making fun of you.

they do that a lot.

As for ND, I mean it's alright but I don't know if I'd call it the best thing since sliced Rogue Agent.

[mellow flint]

good for speedrun bosses

[hexed steppe]

Nd highest mutitarget damage. 3marks equals 3x crit damage. Plus it can be used to 1shot in certain scenarios.
It's on par with striker where each has a role. Best to have both builds

[shy willow]

If you can get the marks rolling it's amazing

[mellow flint]

i remember the f100 1 shot 5 hunters dead video

[hazy steeple]

As said yeah, it's important to remember that there is no "does it all perfectly" build. Which is good, and also why I'm like 90% sure the Ouro is getting nerfed hard.

then again Scorpio is still untouched so

[acoustic coral]

It's because Scorpions sting and massive have no wildlands experience

[round zinc]

they dont have the balls to touch scorpio cuz the people who run the game on hard diff will cry

[cedar tapir]

scorpio with dtooc

[hollow pasture]

They should've done this years ago before they let people be too comfortable with scorpio tbh

[latent bough]

After the update, is there a better AR than elmo's for pve stuff ?

[acoustic valley]

I’m actually looking for a crew to help me farming to get my Elmo’s after 1.5year of break i need to catchup the train @everyone

[round zinc]

This reminds me of the meme with the skinny guy drinking the leak from the pipe while the fat guy drinks the entire pipe

pestilence not even getting a buff
ooc scorpio

[tawdry flare]

If they want to touch Scorpio they have to touch regulus too

[tawdry flare]

Is it really though I just use it when I want to mark the sentence as funny

[acoustic coral]

I just wanted to make a 5head joke about how Massive didn't develop Recon Wildlands, and that's where scorpions are from

[acoustic coral]

I see Petter as either KEKW or Kappa, depending on mood

[hollow pasture]

Sure game
(the mod was also max skill haste)

[tawdry flare]

If it was a pfe 13 it would have been better than those 2 combined

[compact quail]

I'm doing a Future Initiative healer build, how much Repair Skill should i have before starting to invest into Skill Haste?

[hollow pasture]

If I pulled one of those out of the open world might aswell try and win the lottery

[tawdry flare]

Mhh get up to like a million burst heal on chems and rest into skill haste

To get 15s or so cooldown with chen

[tawdry flare]

I have deconstructed one

And I realised it after deconstruction

🥲

[hushed gorge]

[vestal ibex]

For all around healers I'd go for 15-16 second chem cooldowns, I'd also suggest checking out the build guide if you haven't already. To put it simply the healer is actually a buffer/debuffer build more than a healer in most cases. You can give 165% extra damage for your team with all things up on a target.

[compact quail]

yeah i was following the guide, but it doesn't give any specific numbers for Haste and Repair skill

so i wanted to know what levels are a good baseline

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'd actually say it's content related tho. For the incursion I'd suggest all repair skill. Basically I'd go repair skill until you start running out of chems mid fight and dial more haste.

Usually it's a bad group that makes you need more haste tho, but healing for boss 4 in IH raid you'd want more haste tho.

[compact quail]

i see, i will try it out and see how it goes, for now i'm 18s chem with a million heal, but i have a terribly rolled The Setup and 0 points in Repair skill in the watch, thx for the inputs!

[dreamy valve]

Try to get btsu gloves they are pretty useful for healing loadouts on top of overcharge support

[hollow pasture]

I wouldn't worry too much about the setup
As long as it comes with repair skills, that's good enough for now

Mine has haz pro on it and repair skills

[compact quail]

yep i'm already using them

[compact quail]

yeah but mine has hazard and headshot dmg 💀

[hollow pasture]

There's ur goal
Try and get one with repair skills atleast on it already
Even better if it comes with haste aswell

[vestal ibex]

Well I'ma tell you right now, your healer is better than most. People will say I got the healer build and have FI backpack on and no sledge, no scorp, they have empathitic chest and a random alps part some where else in their build.

[hollow pasture]

This is what you should aim for
Pretend that the lefty is there

[tawdry flare]

I have unicorn setups

[shy willow]

But where is your maxed PFE

[granite girder]

Strikers on all expect chest and backpack (yellow core), chest is blue unbreakable and backpack is blue combined arms(Brazos de arcabuz)
Primary is AK with perfect in sync
Secondary vector with optimist
Q-striker drone
E-healing hive/healing chem(pending for furthet testing)

Opinions?

[tawdry flare]

The moment you said yellow striker it was going to be bad just use 1-2 blue cores on striker with striker bag and 1 ceska pcs with obliterate and 1 coyote/groupo mask with CHC/CHD and you are done

[shy willow]

Trying to do too much at once

That and not running strikers pack is a nerf

Unless you're using memento in it's place

[granite girder]

Aye thx

[shy willow]

If you want the all rounder experience try memento +4 striker +ceska

Roll on like 2 blues if you feel you're dying too fast

[tawdry flare]

A viable alternative that doesn't give up that much for survivability

If you are using memento I would argue go all red

[granite girder]

Nah just trying to make my own builds never liked "going meta"

[shy willow]

Honestly yeah with memento you don't need blues

[tawdry flare]

Memento on strikers is not meta

[shy willow]

Mementos not really meta considering it falls off in group play

[granite girder]

Ah ok

[shy willow]

Especially not on strikers

[tawdry flare]

If you are gonna create your own build

Consider the gear and play to it strength

[granite girder]

But i get i striker backpack

[tawdry flare]

For striker it is stacking so use fast rpm weapon

Don't put too much into blue core for dmg build

Not worth it

1-2 are fine

[granite girder]

I went with 2 originaly aswell

My original idea was a "hybrid build" for PvEvP i.e. DZ combat

I went with the 5 skill core for high drone dmg+ perfect in sync furthet augmented with the strikers for high wepon dmg and strker dron dmg

[shy willow]

I'm not experienced with PVP but you certainly wouldn't want a hybrid build in there

You're gonna get clapped by people both ends of the spectrum

[acoustic coral]

is flabberghasted in ADHD (kidding ofcourse)

[gentle lichen]

I'd say go 3 blues on memento if your build is cqb

You will appreciate the bonus armor on trophies

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex @urban latch can you imagine this

[gentle lichen]

Such a thing doesn't exist
At least when it comes to skill damage

[shy willow]

Lag is an understatement for whatever that ping is holy

[tawdry flare]

i waas headhunting on that ping and killed a named bt sniper and a s iper dog and got killed by a chunga

[gentle lichen]

I remember getting 20k ping one time

[tawdry flare]

RIP

at least you were not headhunting

[shy willow]

Even one kill very impressive

[tawdry flare]

I was at full armour after 2 kill I was at 0 armour and near 0 health

New HF Bonus

[shy willow]

Armor depletion on kill

[acoustic coral]

roll to strained or fast hands for talent? red strikers

[gentle lichen]

Look for a dtoc

[acoustic coral]

I will, but as a temporary weapon, what should I get for talent?

[gentle lichen]

Fast hands sustains dps

[primal horizon]

when they do the next big update, will exotics still require a reroll of all 3 or will we be able to do just the 3rd stat?

[shy willow]

Complete reroll

[hushed gorge]

Is this even possible? ☠️

1000+ Ping💀

[dreamy valve]

Get your exotic components massed and ready

Gunna be rerollin’ time!

[vestal ibex]

Just third stat will random roll on reconfigure. Keep in mind that they will keep their expertise thru this process so you'll just have to optimize.

[urban girder]

Pff played td2 when it came out and play it now again after couple years damn I’m lost😂

[tulip charm]

Its easy now. Just build one meta build and use that to beat everything then build other builds.

[wary vortex]

I GOT ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[rich lotus]

Anybody got a good PvP armor regen build that they feel like sharing?

[urban girder]

Pff it’s hard to find the gear I want

[pastel pasture]

I think ur supposed to run summit or Countdown for gear, unless it cant be dropped from targetted loot

[shy willow]

Wait until you see div 1 lol

Just run countdown target what you're looking for and you're golden in this game

[urban girder]

Ohh I tried DZ but Damn they all team up to kill the noob (me)😂

[urban girder]

Will do

[elder pewter]

Yeah countdown is the best chance to get specific gear you need!

[wise swallow]

how comfy are you with headshot builds

[rich lotus]

I’m not too bad with them

[dreamy valve]

Countdown and Summit for targeted loot

It’s easier than ever for new shd players to get started

I used to rely on Hard Wired with drone and turret when I got to endgame year 1

As back then Heroic felt like Legendary

[wise swallow]

2 golan. belstone. emperors. fenris. yhaal. big horn. all HSD and haz pro.

armour regen alone is gonna be just emperors and belstone + typical CHC and CHD sets, Momento and contractors

armour regen alone is shit imo even armour regen + haz pro is pretty shit but\

Momento is questionable

if your strictly doing PVP ignore it even exists

if your farming landmarks and just want something to fight players if need be its good

[wise swallow]

could run prov instead of yhaal too if you dont care for haz "immunity"

adrush and intim or unbreakable

[tall venture]

Quick question “ returning player here “ recommendations for the nemesis build with white death also using pristine example chest piece with a concussion talent backpack, is this build still good I’ve been running it in heroic and it’s like a two shot kill with the white on elite enemies and a one hit with the nemises, is there another build I can make up to date?

[onyx sage]

at this point you'd rather run headhunter than focus

[primal horizon]

hello all, can anyone tell me what the base crit multiplier is? like if you have 0.0% chd on your gear and you hit a crit, how much does the crit increase the dmg?

[onyx sage]

before shd watch, you have 0% chc and 25% chd at base; with shd watch, you get 10% chc and 45% chd at base

you can't even have 0% chd in theory, but you can get 0% chc if you just don't get the chc upgrade from watch

at 0% chc, you will not crit, so chd will not matter

but to answer technically, if you have 0% chd and you crit, then you gain no extra damage. but you do get at least 25% chd always. so if you do crit, your damage will be 25% more than before crit (take your damage number, considering everything before crit, then multiply by at least 1.25)

[slate wedge]

matador, everyday carrier, catharsis, emp guards, picaros, walker gloves, all rolled to hsd and armor regen with hsd mods

weapon is bighorn

next update a ninjabike regen build could be good aswell but not 100% sure

[compact quail]

Is the TDI "Kard" Custom any good for skill builds? I have no idea how the free +1 skill tier is applied but it seems nice to have

[glossy scarab]

not rly necessary. especially if you have the +1 skill tier from technician spec. i use it anyway cuz its my sidearm pretty much all the time

[wise swallow]

have regen rolls changed at all?

[glossy scarab]

but if you wanted you could switch 2 gear pieces to armor or weapon dmg cores and still be able to have 6 skill tiers by holding the KARD

[slate wedge]

what do you mean exactly?

[wise swallow]

also perfect intim swapping for everryday when need be > running everyday all the time

[wise swallow]

have that changed at all since TU12 or so

[glossy scarab]

2pc golan is probably going to be 1.5% regen. gila guard 3 pc will be either 2% or 2.5%

[wise swallow]

its still 4.9 something/s

[glossy scarab]

with memento i was able to get this much regen. could go up to about 150k though

[wise swallow]

idk regen rolls are pretty shit imo would rather haz pro or even CHC

[glossy scarab]

its good regen but you dont get much damage

[wise swallow]

i like the % based ones just not attributes

[glossy scarab]

but its handy as hell. you get yourself out of gunfire for like 3 seconds and youre ready to go back in and fight

[wise swallow]

i wish ridgeway didnt rely on the people your fighting being ass

[glossy scarab]

i hate ridgeways range. make it 20m

[glossy scarab]

the healing is crazy though

[lime nebula]

is heartbreaker still kinda bad?

[glossy scarab]

its ok.

i never use it anymore tho

[lime nebula]

just looking to clear out some old expired builds

[glossy scarab]

i have a shit ton of festive deliveries clogging up a lot of my space, waiting until they can be donated to expertise

[slate wedge]

problem in pvp is that you need to get like 3 people close to each other

[glossy scarab]

yeah its not practical

whats why i use it with perfect creeping death to do stuff in the GE when it says bleed 3 enemies at once however many times

[wise swallow]

and all 3 of them need to be jerking eachother off instead of shooting at you

[slate wedge]

i mean ridgeways is still good but not for a regen build

[glossy scarab]

its a dps killer no matter what you put it in

[slate wedge]

true but it is annoying for the enemies and enables you to play sadist

[grizzled sedge]

Does anyone have a good ouroboros pvp build for defending myself in the dark zone? I’m tryna farm exotic components but find myself running from a full squad of manhunt rogues every time 😂

I’m with a friend tho

[glossy scarab]

find whatever pieces you can that have armor cores and crits on em. throw them together with one red and a picaros holster. unbreakable chest. adrenaline rush backpack maybe

[visual plover]

Just started a couple days ago, 60% crit chance and crit 95% damage, what should I be going for next? Rn I’m trying for coyote mask and a ceska chest plate with obliterate to replace my 2 yellows

[shy willow]

Well the stuff you're looking for is gonna help a ton so keep on that

[visual plover]

Okay!

[shy willow]

Only suggestion is get better weapons really

[flint wave]

there's no way this man got devils due

[visual plover]

Okay

[visual plover]

What’s that

[flint wave]

dz exclusive named backpack with perfect clutch

[visual plover]

Okay, any suggestions?

[shy willow]

Police M4, FAMAS, Carbine 7, St. Elmo

[visual plover]

Oh I gotcha, thank you!

[shy willow]

And for your secondary get yourself a lefty/rock n roll

[visual plover]

I was looking into the st Elmo, should I go for that before coyote/obliterate chest?

[shy willow]

But really any ACS-12 works

[shy willow]

Nah it won't help you much as is

Once you got the build going then worry about elmo

[visual plover]

Okay! Thank you:)

Will prolly be asking more questions later on but now I have a direction:)

[grizzled sedge]

Thx brah, appreciate it

For solo, should I pick catharsis or coyote?

Im trying catharsis and it heals me for like nothing lol

[gentle lichen]

I'd say catharsis

[gentle lichen]

It's not only heals

More damage and status purge

[wise swallow]

i prefer coyote personally

[grizzled sedge]

Status purge too?

Dang

Also are those contractor gloves and picaro’s holster

[shy willow]

Yes

[austere hornet]

Whats a good support/healer build in division 2 is it still future set?

[onyx sage]

it's still future initiative yes

[limpid pelican]

typical one people are running is the setup backpack or alps summit with opportunistic and btsu

scorpio + lefty on technican or survivalist

[austere hornet]

And for exotic’s

[onyx sage]

btsu gloves and scorpio

[buoyant perch]

If you want damage, Coyote. If you want survivability, memento. I don't see a role of Catharsis playing solo.

[hexed steppe]

the original conversation has to do with pvp builds if you run it back. catharsis would have a role there.

[shy willow]

I wouldn't see memento being a good option in the DZ cuz you'd have to stack up on a landmark

[buoyant perch]

Ah, I missed that. Yeah that makes sense.

[tepid trout]

Just realised I put this in build advice and not raid discussions...

[hexed steppe]

was still pretty sweet

[fathom thunder]

Which gear buffs rifles

Meant rifles

[hexed steppe]

overlord armorments. but youll basically only use names fox's player knee of that brand. itll be a double bonus for rifles

[random sigil]

For Rifles, do people usually prefer M1A or 1886?

I've been like M1A so far, but not sure what other people like using

[wise swallow]

M1A

[royal raft]

How do I play an FI healer build? Do I try to Chem and Hive my entire group all the time? Keep those skills on CD?

[bronze hound]

place hive somewhere and use chems where the hive cant reach

[hexed steppe]

M1a classic for stability
M1a cqb for a little more dps but less stability

[royal raft]

and then do you just stay back / hide as a healer or do you hunt down the enemy with your Scorpio? Or maybe Lefty?

[bronze hound]

you help the team with scorpio/lefty

[buoyant perch]

it's just not optimal to play healer during CD extraction. Hunter can hack your healing hive plus you can't shoot healing chem under EMP. You can make a FI build with haz pro which reduces EMP duration so you can heal with chem but your healing is very weak with so many repair skill attribute missing.

[flint wave]

I doubt it will be "very weak"

But it doesn't sound like a bad idea

[tawdry iron]

m1a for dps, 1886 for HH

[novel cosmos]

Was/Is Dr. Home acceptable as well? Usually always ran that and M700 before actually making good builds and I now have a White Death build

[visual plover]

Best attribute for Saint Elmo?

[tulip charm]

Damage to out of cover

[visual plover]

Thank you

[shy willow]

Dttooc is best in slot for third attribute on everything except lmgs

Also headhunter builds apparently

[tulip charm]

I am surprised the devs didn't touch third attribute during this whole balance patch

[slate wedge]

even there it mostly is the best one

[hexed steppe]

you mean like opening up ability to roll 3rd attribute an all exotic weapons?

[tulip charm]

No like making other attributes much more desirable

[hexed steppe]

i dont think anything else really would be, unless they boosted ROF attribute a huge amount. none of the handling/crit attributes really matter when stacked against a normally multiplicative stat like dttooc/dta .

[tawdry iron]

?

[shy willow]

DTA scales different with HH

[tawdry iron]

don’t think it does, only thing i can think of is on the dodge city HSD scales weird

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid trout]

HH just adds damage so the bonus damage isn't effected by dta or dtooc a second time

[acoustic coral]

How's a regular striker build for legendary summit?

[pearl carbon]

Hey does anyone know why I cannot add a mag to my white death

[hexed steppe]

@tepid trout you and @onyx sage will have to hash that out I think...
General understanding is dta is better on hh stacks...
Obv 1st shot out dttooc is still more, but after that, dta supposed to be more helpful

[hexed steppe]

What mag? You may not have them unlocked/crafted yet

[pearl carbon]

I crafted the one for headshot damage but it won't appear

I want one with mag size

[hexed steppe]

It might not be for m44. I think there is a weapon damage , reload, and maybe fire rate mag

[pearl carbon]

That would be great if it had mag size

[onyx sage]

dta does multiply with hh but not dttooc yeah

[tepid trout]

That wasn't my point at all💀

[warm arch]

what does a hotshot build look like :P

[glossy scarab]

headhunter chest (airaldi, habsburg, or prov) and vigilance bag (airaldi, habsburg, or prov but dont use 2 pc prov)

the rest is hotshot with hsd

[warm arch]

ok ty

[hazy steeple]

you can also just use the Chainkiller chest, it works as well.

[glossy scarab]

how did i forget that

[onyx sage]

chainkiller is becoming more and more important as we start getting more base weapon damage buffs

[tawdry flare]

At least HH doesn't work with otherwise we would have a new broken thing

[hexed steppe]

Please clarify...

[onyx sage]

probably meant that dta doesn't double dip in the same way that it does for nego, but i could be wrong

[tepid trout]

Exactly that

I wasn't saying which was better

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm aligned with that

[tepid trout]

Depends on what you do anyways

Dh I do dttooc ih I do dta

[warm arch]

what should the other attribute be instead of headshot damage

[tepid trout]

Handling

[warm arch]

alr ty

what abt for marksman rifles

[tepid trout]

We detwrm

Determined 💀

Wd&

Holy shit

[hexed steppe]

But it does double dip, initial shot and stack calc? Or am I misunderstood

[tepid trout]

Fatfingering rn

[tawdry flare]

Double dip?

[tepid trout]

Wd with determined

[onyx sage]

no, in nego it's (1+dta)^2, in HH it just multiplies once but to both summands

it's down to the definition of "double dip", i've seen it used in both meanings but here the clarification makes sense because it's not in the same manner

[hexed steppe]

So dttooc will only affect base shot damag , but dta will affect both base and stack but as a single calculation.
Makes more sense and also explains the confusion

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

So disputing this wasnt really incorrect then. Even though I thought it had a slightly different way of calculating

[onyx sage]

it's down to semantics in the actual expressions, i wouldn't mind it too much

[hexed steppe]

Because the dta would still be an improvement once stacked

[tawdry flare]

Wut about regulus with dth

I was testing it in pts and it seemed better than headshot

For the most part

[worthy kraken]

does Diamondback have any value for rifle builds or m1a and 1886 all the way?

the talent Agonizing Bite on it doesnt seem half bad

only downside seems to be the mag size

[onyx sage]

you're spot on

this weakness hampers it the most, on the usability front sometimes it marks an enemy you can't hit from your current position rendering it useless unless you get into LOS of as many enemies as possible, which means you are also exposing yourself

[worthy kraken]

considering the minimal amount of blues I have to make rifles work nice in a build, yeah its not nice to expose mself

and yeah, didnt know how far the marking was, thats a random fact that can ruin the whole thing

[onyx sage]

only against health enemies

if they have armor you have to break armor first

and that armor-breaking shot does not use dth

[tawdry flare]

Dttoc it it is than

[worthy kraken]

dttoc or damage to armor always seems the best possible stats to have

health already melts

[onyx sage]

it really depends

[hexed steppe]

golden bullet best time to use diamondback

[onyx sage]

dth is so useful against chungas and warhounds

[worthy kraken]

ah right the robo-woofs

[tawdry flare]

That was my main consideration but just imagining the rng to get dttoc on regulus

[sullen sun]

Anybody else buy that new bundle with the weapon skins? The one for the carbine 7 isn’t showing

[worthy kraken]

how so?

[tawdry flare]

No relead

[onyx sage]

mag refill on kill

[gentle lichen]

Virginian😼

[rich lotus]

Should I go for AR or SMGs with Striker?

[worthy kraken]

oh

Im just gonna pretend I didnt forget the talent I just read some minutes ago

[worthy kraken]

AR's seem to be the most recommended but the highest honor is Elmo's and Ouroboros

[rich lotus]

rolling for crit on gear?

or headshot damage

[gentle lichen]

Crits are more sustainable

And allow you to runs things like obliterate

[rich lotus]

what is breakdown of major attributes? 3 blues 3 reds?

[gentle lichen]

Depends on build

Full dps is full red

[rich lotus]

high focus on solo runs

[gentle lichen]

Have 2 blue cores

[rich lotus]

I want to run heroic

[worthy kraken]

2 blue, one on memento is the go to

[onyx sage]

depends on your skill level

run 2 blue to get started but you will get comfortable running 6 red

[rich lotus]

will do

gotta start farming exotics for that Ouroboros

[flint wave]

I'm comfortable running 6 red but I know I'm more effective running 2-3 blues 3 pfe mods in the majority of content

Least I'll go to is 3 pfe mods only

[rich lotus]

i'll do 4 red 2 blues for starters

[tawdry flare]

Me running all red 5.11

[rich lotus]

still feeling around what skills I want to run

currently running repair drone/frame turret, but I want to get rid of turret since I find it useless often

[gentle lichen]

Reviver hive is a good option

[acoustic coral]

Just shoot them before they shoot you. Best defense is offense

[acoustic coral]

does it count as dth when you're chipping away their armor tho?

[flint wave]

I am

[onyx sage]

yes

their armor plates are treated as health

[acoustic coral]

susge

[onyx sage]

feel free to try

[acoustic coral]

i have no reason not to believe you, I think the fact is susge

[wise swallow]

Why do you like 5.11 so much

[onyx sage]

yeah it's not really spelled out to new players, the burden is on us 💀 it's also mostly why ARs are considered effective in legendary just because they're so effective against dogs and chungas

[acoustic coral]

but i guess dth would be useless, if it wasn't true - yeah.

[tawdry flare]

they are also most balanced in terms of accuracy and range too

and doesn't have annoyance mechanics

[acoustic coral]

Only way I'll switch away from Striker atm is getting the Regulus for some BOOM headshot, but that requires more work than i cba

I would probs swap between them a bit more, if the pistol crosshair had a dot :))

[tawdry flare]

you can use external software for that

[onyx sage]

regulus does have a dot

[tawdry flare]

a dot with a fork

[acoustic coral]

Suddenly considering farming it a lot more now - still.

Hmm, actually, my MSI has an xhair thing, might try enable it if I go for some HH shenanigans again

[onyx sage]

hope HH gives you joy as much as it gives me

[tawdry flare]

there is some amazing feeling when you pop npc's head with regulus or m870

[acoustic coral]

It does, first gearset I properly farmed when I got back into the game here in jan, 'just' the reggie left, and I'm too lazy to learn and find squad for raid

[onyx sage]

we got @vestal ibex here, you may ask for his help. he carries raids a lot

[tawdry flare]

he hasn't carried me once are you sure

[onyx sage]

he carried @hexed steppe, and i was there

i'm the iron horse

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex 💔 cc:@urban latch

[onyx sage]

i got carried by neither sadly

[tawdry flare]

i was carried by lunar_na

[onyx sage]

maybe one day i'll do IH again. anyways @acoustic coral i assume you know the best builds for reg?

[flint wave]

randoms carry me

[tawdry flare]

they kick you after 5minutes

[flint wave]

they need to respect the purple build smh

[hexed steppe]

No doubt. A lot of big names there... good thing they all had big shoulders

[acoustic coral]

Yes sir! Mainly lacking the pistol, got the main setup from https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c/44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71, have been chatting about alternatives in here aswell, but it works more than fine as of now so didn't wanna tinker with it.
If I got the reggie, I would look into getting both the HF version and the Hotshot version

[onyx sage]

the setups from that sheet are optimal yeah

[acoustic coral]

Speaking of, IH is mostly about finding a group when I'm playing tbh, I can be on comms, listen, and DPS as needed, just direct me as if I was your gun. I'd rather not get into mechanics, as I'm not that interested in Division raids. I'm more of a wow raider

[dreamy valve]

Isn’t wow raiding harder

You’ll be fine

[acoustic coral]

When it comes to division, I get very 3head and just want to shooty shooty. If division 2 had new raids I could explore and progress together with people, then maybe. Anyways, not really for this channel.

[dry zealot]

any pros here who are experienced with sniperbuild specifically the headhunter talent?

i dont have the fitting gear to test it: the difference between perfect and normal headhunter is just the 2nd shot but after that they re the same, right?

*After killing an enemy with a headshot, your next weapon hit within 30 seconds deals an additional 125% fo that killing blow's damage. Damage is capped at 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%.

Perfect Headhunter: After killing an enemy with a headshot, your next weapon hit within 30 seconds deals an additional 150% fo that killing blow's damage. Damage is capped at 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%.*

[fickle light]

Perfect headhunter and normal headhunter have the same cap, 1250% of your weapon damage

[onyx sage]

second shot plus any shot before maxing out the bonus

[dry zealot]

would it make sense to just use normal headhuntrer on Providence over Chainkiller though? (prov adds 15head 10cc)

[onyx sage]

not really unless you haven't met the 150% hsd requirement

also, forget about crit when using headhunter

[pastel pasture]

Not including “memento” is there any way to include some survivBilty in the Red strikers build? I feel like im melting to a couple of hits thru shield + armor? This is for group play*

[worthy kraken]

much as I know, 2 blue cores are ideal number for it

individual set pieces should be important enough to not change with another

[pastel pasture]

Is there a way to play around with the mod pieces then? Im not max shepard rank (1k) so my crit chance is still not ideal yet

[worthy kraken]

recalibration, crafting those pieces, pure luck of dropping your desired stats as god rolled

one of those is not by your hand so the former 2 is the way I think

gear mod pieces also

not being full on shd does put you a bit behind on at least chd if you set chc to 50-60%

[hazy steeple]

It's only 20% CHD bonus at max from the SHD Watch, you can certainly make a build without either freebie.
Although it is a lot quicker when you have that 10% CHC.

[pastel pasture]

So 2 armor cores and maybe add some mod pieces in? Which ones should I add?

[worthy kraken]

honestly I think it boils down to what content youre doing, cause defensive mod pieces are hazard prot., prot. from elite and stuff

whatever you think you'll encounter most, or maybe armor regen(?), dont know how effective it is

red mod pieces are as expected, chc and chd

[pastel pasture]

Im preety much dying to yellows and above. Named enemies def 1-3 shot me. Hunters/rogues.

[worthy kraken]

but I havent seen much the way of mod piece recomendations for gear, its mostly blue cores for surv.

heroic content/countdown?

[pastel pasture]

I did summit a couple of hrs ago and I got to floor 100 but getting there was tough, had 4 people(i know it scales difficulty) but I usually have problems by myself as well(usually only with the striker build) it also could just be a skill issue

[worthy kraken]

striker being a mainly red buikd has the tendency of not protecting you much

it comes down to you adapting to when and how you should attack enemies, cover etc.

I too am suffering from my armor getting blown to pieces cause I have a pretty cute armor number of 700kish

especially doing anything solo is tougher considering you are the sole enemy for your enemies

[pastel pasture]

Yea I was told strikers is the dps build for raids/incursion. So I wanted to get one and use it.

So maybe yellows and above play smarter/safer? Dont rogues and hunters punish you for playing safe?

[worthy kraken]

thats the thing

they punish you however you play

you just gotta soften it up a bit

even if you had a gajillion armor, they hit the same dmg and speed

if not on the second bullet, then the third will break you

of course I see some people going head first into some insane hunter npcs and the only explanation I have for that is that they have the necessary build put through that they do enough dmg to at least stagger the hunter so it cant shoot

[pastel pasture]

Yea iv seen some gameplay like that as well, Ill looked into the 2 blue cores on it see if its marginally better surviving. Iv mostly been playing summit cause it throws multiple situations at you and Im not aure if there are “summit builds per say” besides memento

[worthy kraken]

from what Ive seen, builds are mostly made by having raids/incursion in mind but work on other stuff as well, not exclusive to those

[novel cosmos]

I'm trying to build a Capacitor skill build for summit but how does memento help?

[worthy kraken]

has all 3 cores

[novel cosmos]

For the build I'm trying to put together I need the Waveform holster

[pastel pasture]

U cant have waveform and memento btw, I found that out

Equipped*

[worthy kraken]

yup, only 1 exotic gear + 1 exotic weapon equipped max

[novel cosmos]

This is what it's supposed to be, Empress: Mask, Chest, Kneepads. Hana U: Gloves, Backpack. Waveform Holster. Skills: Striker Drone/Assault Turret

Anything I should switch/go for specific mods?

[worthy kraken]

dont know much about skill builds but looks most like the drone turret skill build from the build spreadsheet

all the same as the recommendations

[pastel pasture]

How do you get past the emp floors??

[hexed steppe]

3 empress, skill damage sacrifice chest with perfect glass, wyvern, waveform. Tech support

[worthy kraken]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ didnt play summit much

[pastel pasture]

Like the emp floors makes it so u cant use ur skills like at all

[worthy kraken]

ah

shoot the emp's? or just not using skills seem to be the way

[pastel pasture]

Its also pulsing emp, so once ur in range ur skills blow up

Some u have to be in the circle to turn it off/ some u can shoot/ some u have to hit the cabnits

All are protected with enemies tho

[worthy kraken]

I was using Kinetic Momentum instead of Glass Cannon for chest myself, but that was cause I wasnt confident enough to not get beaten to a pulp with that on me

[hexed steppe]

It's from cover. Totally worth it, even if it's just normal glass on an empress piece

Helps your weapon damage as well

[worthy kraken]

then those are the pirority with good ol weapon shootin

what skills do you have btw?

[pastel pasture]

I dont have a skill build after running into the emp rooms lol

[hexed steppe]

Turret/drone and mortar with sacrifice

[pastel pasture]

Im making one now since i have the exotics dropped for me today(ty rnjesus)

Mortar seems cool atleast, i dont kno how practicall it is in a enclosed room? Or does d2 not worry about that?

[hexed steppe]

I've used it everywhere. Summit, missions, open world

[pastel pasture]

Ill look into it as well, might be better since my skills take all the aggro

Theres no green version of the build?

[hexed steppe]

Not a good one

[worthy kraken]

if its only "aggro" you need, you can use decoy alongside your current build

[hexed steppe]

Hardwire seeker spam but its weak

[pastel pasture]

Wait can u take skill build into incursion? Or countdown?

Thats not really ideal right?

[worthy kraken]

not for countdown, no idea for incursion

hunters can hack your skills

[hexed steppe]

Not suggested

Raid cd incursion all dps checks

[pastel pasture]

And the one u can preety much use in all scenarios is the strikers right?

[hexed steppe]

Specific roles but not skill builds

Yeah striker is the goto

[restive python]

does %armor regen does anything if I dont have a x HP/s regen attribute anywhere on my build?

same question with 10% armor on kill from death grips if I don't have an armor on kill effect from talents?

[pastel pasture]

Ooooo armor on kill?

[hexed steppe]

% armor regen works until full. Its % of your total armor

Same with armor on kill

[restive python]

so this give 10% total armor on kill?

[novel cosmos]

Yes, if you have 1 mill armor you should get back 100k if I'm not mistaken

[restive python]

thanks

[novel cosmos]

Any mods/stats I should go for? I'm looking for haste/dmg/duration and what I don't get I'll usually mod in

Bit skeptical on running glass cannon but I saw the convo you had before so I'll go for it

[worthy kraken]

mostly skill haste I believe

[hexed steppe]

Damage/haste in the rolls. You can use haste mods, personally I use protection from elites since I got ton of haste

[restive python]

I run kinetic momentum + perfect combined arms. less damage but you dont die from a stray bullet.

and either PFE or duration mods.

[pastel pasture]

What all does the mod “protections from elites” include?

[novel cosmos]

Yeah I realized I trashed most yellow mods and only kept reds and blues so I'm on the look for some of those

[worthy kraken]

yellow health bar enemies

[hexed steppe]

Yeah just keep your normal chest and hot swap it back if it's not working out. Glass definitely takes some practice and care but it is a big boost if you can make I work

[pastel pasture]

Thats it? Weak

[worthy kraken]

10% is 10%

[novel cosmos]

^

[restive python]

its pretty strong, %dmg reduction on anything they do to you

[hexed steppe]

My setup is 36% pfe

But you can put crit and give capacitor a bit more teeth as well

Its all preference

[novel cosmos]

Yeah it seems like it, I still need to get some Hana U gloves and the Waveform holster so the build is still a WIP

Cause my skills aren't doing a lot of dmg

[pastel pasture]

And on challenging is everything yellow health bar?

[novel cosmos]

Mostly purples and yellows

[hexed steppe]

I only run that stuff on heroic

[pastel pasture]

Purples dont really kill me, unless there a sniper i forget to see lol

[worthy kraken]

so the real threat is from the yellows

and thus, prot from elites

[pastel pasture]

But not really on a dps build

[worthy kraken]

youd be surprised how fast they can shoot at you the microsecond you stick your head out of cover

[hexed steppe]

Dps is crit focused , mod preference is different

[worthy kraken]

oh and yes, not needed on a dps build

[pastel pasture]

I wish these builds had breakpoints in them. Like if u use a striker build it needs to have %crit chance and crit dmg to hit these numbers.

Mostly people just put a picture up

[hexed steppe]

You do

You want 50-60 chc on striker

[novel cosmos]

It's usually around 50% CHC and 150% CHD

[hexed steppe]

All else to chd

[pastel pasture]

Is that just the best combinations/most efficient?

[novel cosmos]

Or more CHD if possible cause CHC is capped at 60% so no use in trying to get more

[wise swallow]

the general rule for all crit related builds is:
as close to 60 CHC as possible then all CHD

the numbers vary a ton so theres no reason to put stats on it

[pastel pasture]

I usually run with the coyote mask to help with critchance

[hexed steppe]

Coyote is generally 50%
Non coyote you push 60%.

If you have a couple setups that have different chc/chd then you can multiply each set and get a basic figure to tell you what has the higher dps potential.
Chc x chd =

[novel cosmos]

Mine has like 55-57% with coyote and mods

[hexed steppe]

Elmo striker coyote I hit 52% before buff

Something like elmo nego coyote I still push 57% before buff

[pastel pasture]

Yea im still grinding pieces away, i have to get any optimal strikers pieces but thats what im running elmo/coyote/striker

[hexed steppe]

Its a good setup. Make sure to grind for ceska oblit chest if you havent already

Elmo will hit around 1.2m solo all stacked that way

[novel cosmos]

I run grupo sombra kneepads, coyote mask and 4pc striker, is it recommended to switch to ceska chest?

[hexed steppe]

Striker chest is better for really tanky targets and has a higher top end. In normal stuff it's hard to hit 200 stacks tho

[novel cosmos]

Yeah I use it mostly for incursion/raids, I have an ouro hunter's fury build for run and gun in open world plus white death 1 shot build too

[hexed steppe]

Ceska can net slightly more chd if equally set . With elmo,coyote,ceska,max watch, 2 secondary chc rolls only you hit 52%chc and can dedicate everything to chd

Like 9% chd gain

[novel cosmos]

I'm SHD 225 atm

[hexed steppe]

All good by 500 you can have chc chd maxed

[pastel pasture]

I just have the striker chest, or memento(all unoptimized) but its the best I have atm

[hexed steppe]

You'll get there 👍
It's a pretty flexible set

[novel cosmos]

Countdowns will help, get pretty close to god rolls dropping multiple sets

Mine is still unoptimized but it's getting there

[pastel pasture]

Yea i tried countdown before in matchmaking and got kicked about halfway thru it

I was told to follow the(zerg) which I did but got booted, havent been back since

[worthy kraken]

th-the "zerg"?

[pastel pasture]

Sr the group lol

[worthy kraken]

ah

[novel cosmos]

Try hosting one if you can, might take a few minutes to fill up

If you're low shd lvl you'll most likely end up getting kicked

[worthy kraken]

eh, challenging difficulty countdown is really easy to find, an the goal, at least for you rn is to collect gear from there, s dont take that example to heart

[novel cosmos]

Got kicked a lot myself when I was just starting out if my group wasn't hosting

[pastel pasture]

Wait people just go into challenging difficulty and not get kicked instantly?

[novel cosmos]

It's random chance tbh

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, I never see ppl kicked in challenging cd

[pastel pasture]

I was told it was the best gear there, so it helps to know that one instance happens and to keep grinding it

[worthy kraken]

many stupid and half-made builds Ive tried in challenging countdown and not many people cared enough to kick me before or mid-game

you'll see that stuff once you want to get into incursions/raids

[worthy kraken]

and I too am also low on shd, was even lower when I started countdowns

[hexed steppe]

Heroic cd is pretty picky as well

[worthy kraken]

well, heroic is just heroic, thats expected

[hexed steppe]

I'll usually just challenging cd. Ots easy clear and I'm just farming exo components.

[pastel pasture]

So as long as I make the group I should be fine

[hexed steppe]

Yeah if you're party lead you are the one that can kick or not

[restive python]

Im running the most thrown together, random, not sense-making "builds" ever, literally every named/exo on random to get expertise on CD, they only kicked me once, altho I'm 1k+ watch level

[gentle lichen]

Put your rainbow gear when you're in countdown

[pastel pasture]

I think its mostly watch level, cause im being insta kicked, and i think you can see watch level when people join

Or could be a block feature

[random sigil]

what's your watch level? I don't think i've ever seen people kicked for that, but def for gear/build.

[echo jewel]

I need a build for the new incursion any ideas

[pastel pasture]

I just hit 100 or 200 i think

[random sigil]

yeaaah, you shouldn't be kicked for that as long as you have a decent build.

[echo jewel]

Yea I'm trying to get in the new incursion but I feel like nobody's doing it

[pastel pasture]

Maybe my build is trash, but if I wasnt doing countdown, i was target looting elsewhere(open world/missions/summit) missions when it was the specific loot i was lf*

[random sigil]

easiest way to make sure you don't get kicked for build reason is to generally run strikers. yeah, it's boring, but that's the surefire way. If you still don't have everything for striker, you can also run red dps or heartbreakers.

[novel cosmos]

Not bad, hopefully it all goes smoothly

[dreamy valve]

You can host your own CD

So you can have executive power

[timber wave]

So weird question anyone have a high end lmg build? Asking cause I love rocking LMG's but cant build a decent loadout

[hazy steeple]

The "standard red DPS" build that's in the 📌 pinned spreadsheet can work with an LMG and can be made entirely high-end.

I used to run it with an MG5 w/Fast Hands

[novel cosmos]

I love an LMG build, used to have AR/LMG, LMG/Shotgun and LMG/Rifle builds before I knew what I was doing

What does Heartbreaker do? I know it has AR/LMG dmg but I don't know where to use it sometimes

[hazy steeple]

Socom m1a and an mg5 was my old raid setup.
Heartbreaker's 4pc talent:

Weapon hits on pulsed enemies add and refreshes a stack of +1% bonus armor and +1% damage to pulsed enemies for 5s. Max stack is 50.
Two stacks are lost per second."```
How most people run it is with the Technician Spec Tree underbarrel pulse laser.

Think of it like a weaker striker that can heal, but emphasis on the "weaker" part.

[timber wave]

So the striker build would that work with a LMG?

[vestal ibex]

Any gun can work with strikers but the lower the fire rate the less ideal it is as you are trying to get more hits than you degrade stacks. LMGs just typically have slow fire rate so it's not good at maintaining stacks but the build Rivens suggest doesn't rely nearly as much on stacks making LMGs work better for it.

[rich cosmos]

Ive been kicked from a group despite having over 300 shd, people are just like that

[vestal ibex]

Well kicking doesn't make sense in countdown. I got kicked yesterday and I'm like 4.5k SHD and had a meta strikers/ouro build.

[rich cosmos]

It was countdown?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, I found it funny tho.

[rich cosmos]

I’ve only had that happen one time

[onyx sage]

man was probably like "six12 better" and kicked

[surreal depot]

I never get kicked with chameleon

[vestal ibex]

You gotta play to get kicked.

[onyx sage]

he duo'd with me in DUA few days ago

he still got game

[round zinc]

Chameleon crawled so famas can run

[surreal depot]

Famas ran so chameleon could fly

[tawdry iron]

famas solos

[surreal depot]

And that is why ur incursion WR got stolen

[onyx sage]

kek

[tawdry iron]

they took it last day, so tragic

[surreal depot]

Last day?

[tawdry iron]

before they patched everything and reset boards

help it for 13/14 days before it was fixed

[hexed steppe]

Was probably a clan group opening a spot.
Makes zero sense otherwise

[hazy steeple]

I once got kicked from a group because they didn't like how my name was spelt.
You never know with people online.

[onyx sage]

that's the weirdest thing to get kicked for

[visual plover]

How much armor would be considered a tanky build in pvp?

[surreal depot]

3.1M health with 1M shd

[hazy steeple]

Note: once Project Resolve drops that will a heck of a lot lower.

[visual plover]

What’s shd? Like the watch level?

[surreal depot]

Didn't you run glitchless aswell

[visual plover]

That’s supposed to be soon right?

[surreal depot]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

Feb 6th as of right now, but don't be shocked if there's a delay.

[visual plover]

I’m only level 17 😭

I got my strikers set with coyote and Saint Elmo’s so trying to figure out what set to go after now

Or what build i mean, I’d like to run some dark zone, should I wait until Feb 6th and grind after things change?

[surreal depot]

Objective best advice is don't go pvp but some people gets offended

[visual plover]

Yeah I figured it’d be a while before I got to that point

[surreal depot]

You need to PvE to PvP

[visual plover]

Right! I don’t mind putting the hours in

I’ve just been doing a bunch of countdown so far

[tawdry iron]

nah, don’t care for incursion much anymore

[surreal depot]

Personally idk how people found incursion speeds fun

It's just easier legendary

[tawdry iron]

i enjoyed it before they patched everything, now it’s just stale and feels unoriginal

[surreal depot]

Harass @onyx sage and you will get everything in 1 day probably

[visual plover]

New strat just dropped

1 more question

How do I get the 2 that I’m don’t have

[surreal depot]

Scavenging from shd watch

Or craft

[hexed steppe]

field recon data (flag) you can get from clearing control points. 3 for challenging, 4 for heroic .

the true sons tactical assessment - named true sons/true sons bounties iirc. or craft

[onyx sage]

first carry booking starts in March

[surreal depot]

Surely you don't need a PC to carry

[visual plover]

Thank you!

[hexed steppe]

if you save watch scavenging points early on, the only things worth spending them on are the FRD (field recon data) , and the 4th icon in your image SHD calibrations. those 2 are very expensive to craft even if you have the blueprint

[patent sundial]

could anyone dm me and help with a dz build please?

[visual plover]

Noted. Thank you!

[tawdry sequoia]

Is headshot build viable in high end PvE?

[tawdry iron]

yes

[tawdry sequoia]

How much DPS, in general, is considered good in this game?

well obviously "as much as you can get" is the answer, but usually what do those numbers look like

currently sitting at about 16mil/sec

[tulip charm]

Shooting range dps is kinda irrelevant. Just depends how well built your build is

[tawdry sequoia]

fair

[austere hornet]

Is it worth chancing my attack up on striker to defends

To like 3 attack and 3 shield ?

[acoustic coral]

You thinking for solo play? Depends on how confident you are, I run 6 red cores on my set - I still die sometimes, but more often than not I shoot them before they shoot me

[tawdry flare]

Chameleon can only hide

[cursive barn]

what's y'alls favorite dps/survivability builds? Been thinking of making an all red HB or FI, but I'm thhinking of something CC heavy as well, unsure

[shy willow]

DPS equals survivability

Kill shit faster than shit kills you

[cursive barn]

Yeah, but once you lose armor it doesnt regen, and kits are limited

[tawdry flare]

Use hunters fury kill shit gain armour

[shy willow]

Gunner

Memento

[warm arch]

what does a future initiative build look like :P

[pastel pasture]

Isnt there a talent on backpack or chest that gives armor on kill or something? Or repairs it?

[glossy scarab]

bloodsucker is a great talent for bonus armor

[warm arch]

bloodsucker gives 10% bonus armor for every kill

[lethal trellis]

gunner/ hunter fury/the mop/death grip/memento

[pastel pasture]

Doesnt that fall off preety quickly?

[glossy scarab]

for me it stays up as long as I'm in combat, but yea it only lasts ten seconds

[warm arch]

theres also adrenaline rush but i forgot how that one worked

[split lagoon]

Which sniper gear set is better, Hotshot or Aces and Eights?

[hazy steeple]

Hotshot pretty much overshoots Aces these days, which is a shame since I prefer Aces but

[split lagoon]

Then I applied Hotshot to my sniper loadout.

[rich lotus]

3 pcs hotshot with 2 pcs habsburg (re-rolled to red cores). Headhunter chest, vigilance or bloodsucker (if want survivability) backpack talent. Headshot dmg and weapon handling for attributes. 🙂

[hazy steeple]

And for the final piece, Foxes knees is a great choice.

[rich lotus]

Yes, or the named Douglas mask. 🤓

[pastel pasture]

when people recomend builds, is it just prefrence where the named gear set go? or do they have specific spots. Example 4 piece strikers/1p Ceska/1coyotes mask(yes I know this exotic is only for headpiece)

[rich lotus]

Situational, I would say.

I seldom reach 200 striker stacks so for my style I go for a ceska or gs chest over striker chest, for an example.

[pastel pasture]

what do u put on the chest for the talent? bloodsucker?

[rich lotus]

Usually oblitirate (bloodsucker is backpack?).

[hazy steeple]

I'm not sure why you added that emote at the end, but Punch Drunk is actually not an overly good piece to use there, as its brandset sucks and it only supplies you with 15% hsd, which is basically useless in the grand scheme compared to bonus dtooc.

[rich lotus]

Ah, i thought it was 20, but sure. 🙂

[hazy steeple]

yep 20, even so 20% hsd compared to dtooc, no contest.

[tawdry flare]

It's quite good for pistol hh build

[hazy steeple]

This isn't a pistol HH build we're talking about.

[tawdry flare]

Ignore me than

[shy willow]

Only for chest and bag

Other pieces you can switch around unless you need a specific named piece too

[rich lotus]

Just to clear up possible confusion, the emote was to denote that I can be a bit geeky/nerdy. 🙂

[hazy steeple]

It's no worries, I should just let you know that online it can be used to mean "nerd" in a derogatory manor when talking to other people.
Confusion cleared up though!

[glossy scarab]

Derogatory or not, it's a very cute emoji

[hazy steeple]

Raucey clearly hasn't been around much online recently, but it is 100% used as an insult in a fairly large amount of places.
It's like how the emote is used here as a kinda way to show sarcasm or that you're joking.

the former is like how people used to post that "crying baby 10 hours" video when they couldn't think of a way to continue an argument.

[glossy scarab]

Yes context is everything and I do see that other one all the time

[split lagoon]

I'm modifying my sniper build, which skills are best for snipers?

[urban latch]

Decoy, foam, revive hive, scanner drone, and pulse are all solid options. Really just depends what you prefer and what your doing

[tawdry flare]

I would just put decoy for solo as it allows you to aim without getting aggro much

[wide silo]

Hey everyone.
I am playing since a Week now and hit Lvl 40.
I read i should gear via Countdown.
I was able to get a Scorpio with 2 max rolls.
Is there any kinda "up to date" viable Build for Scorpio?
Also, what does the Term PFE stands for?

[fossil aurora]

Protection from elites. No idea about Scorpio

[vestal ibex]

Most weapons don't have designated builds, you'll see builds that are better for a certain class of weapons if anything. The scorpio is just an awesome weapon because of it's CC and the amp damage it provides while also have good damage. It's best in slot for all support builds and can be used in any DPS build.

[wide silo]

Would there be a "Build" out of your head that you would recommend with Scorpio?
Also, what does Support Build mean in Division 2?
Like some Healer or CC heavy kinda Build, Bruiser, Tank?

[flint wave]

support build = helps the team more then himself

[vestal ibex]

The only two supports I recommend people are the FI healer and EP CC builds. Any build works with scorpio.

I get the idea of "oh I got a cool exotic let me build around it" but don't worry about that. Make a build you find interesting and put scorp on it.

[cursive sand]

Question I’m running a striker build with the st elmos but I feel very squishy all the time why is that?

[flint wave]

you're being shot at

[wide silo]

Oh it is not just an exotic to me. I like the looks. The Perk and i do LOVE Shottys in general.
So it was like an extreme lucky find for me but also like the best find also! xD

[flint wave]

as a 6 red user probably

[cursive sand]

Other then being shot lol

[wide silo]

I dont mind that as long as i am able to stand my ground also alone. Kinda. 😛

[flint wave]

You're being bombed by explosions

[hushed gorge]

Black Tusk Drone operators are annoying

[cursive sand]

lol lol probably not a lot of armor even tho those drone and explosion are annoying since I run a striker dps build

[hushed gorge]

Drones operators are annoying than juggernauts and chungus

[flint wave]

Bt Medics are an underrated annoying enemy

they suck

[hushed gorge]

Yep

[flint wave]

white tusk medic drones basically instant revive

[hushed gorge]

They sometimes ruin legendary run

☠️

[wide silo]

What are those Builds?
I dont know the Terms. Yet!

[cursive sand]

Should we move this over to #td2-general-chat @flint wave @hushed gorge

[flint wave]

no

[cursive sand]

This is a build chat tho?

[hushed gorge]

Why not here?
We are talking about builds after all

[cursive sand]

True

[split lagoon]

I might choose decoy and revive hive.

[cursive sand]

Okay top three annoying enemies even with builds are

1. Controller enemies
2. Medics
   3.tanks/ this shield blitz flashers!!

[flint wave]

decoy crusader shield da best

[vestal ibex]

Go to the pinned messages in this channel you'll see a spreadsheet, open it and head to the *HUB(Builds) tab, there you'll see a bunch of builds and on the right you'll see links to build guides. I'd suggest reading the entire thing and then asking questions.

[flint wave]

grenade dog my behated

[split lagoon]

Do they have to be nerfed?

[shy willow]

Grenadier warhound

Also white tusk drone operators

[wide silo]

Oh, i missed that. Sorry for slacking!

[flint wave]

elite grenade dogs on countdown are one of the biggest reasons I die

[cursive sand]

I mean not if you have a big mag cough cough lmg/st Elmo’s

[cursive sand]

Wouldn’t say nerf just annoying to deal with even with set builds!!

[vestal ibex]

If you are new to the game and really interested in things you'll come across stuff on youtube, I'd caution against most of it as it's just click bait dumb builds that are typically less than effective. You aren't slacking, most of us really enjoy helping people.

[split lagoon]

Then strategies are needed.

[cursive sand]

Exactly

[wide silo]

Yeah. Like I mentioned. I am playing the Game for a week now.
Checked youtube btu yeah. Felt like i need to check discord for some really good Banger Builds. 😉

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the builds in that spread sheet are meta focused builds. I always suggest people start with meta and learn how everything works, farm up your stuff much quicker and without so much pain that way then try out some other off meta stuff that you might enjoy playstyle wise. Oh and try not to focus on farming on thing too hard. I always tell people a build at 90% is probably better than most(in fact it usually is) and correct rolls over perfect rolls too.

[wide silo]

Thank you!

[glass swan]

I'm going for a sniper build, I have some of perks I want but not the armor, all I know is people say you have to get it in DZW

[shy willow]

Why would you need anything from the DZ

[glass swan]

Thats just where they said to get it from

[shy willow]

If you need anything get it from countdown unless it is explicitly exclusive to another activity

[glass swan]

If thats involves the DlC I don't have it

I just recently started to play

[shy willow]

Oh

[glass swan]

So I'm sorta running around like a chicken with his head cut off

[shy willow]

Then dont bother making a build until you get to world tier 5

[glass swan]

I'm on 2, about to 3

The build is not great but, I'm still 2 tapping them

Just can't use anything other then a rifle or a sniper

Or else I die

[visual plover]

Rocking Saint Elmo with striker, coyote mask, and obliterate chest, what other gun should I run?

[onyx sage]

acs-12

[visual plover]

That’s the auto shotgun right? Thanks!

Damage to enemies out of cover? And which talent

[shy willow]

Talent is preference but strained is a nice option

Alternatively you can use lefty or rock n roll

[sullen night]

Hey guys, planning on returning to the game in wake of project resolve, is the turret/drone skill build still put together rather quickly for a somewhat decent start to get back into the grind?

[shy willow]

Honestly you can get a good striker build put together just as fast or faster and it'll work in nearly all content

[sullen night]

Gotcha thanks

[cursive sand]

Works for me and the damage oo boy

[vestal ibex]

Golden bullet is going on too.

[sullen night]

I'll have to admit I don't know what that it but I'll check it out

Is Memento still a thing for solo play or is that outclassed by the set backpack usually?

[onyx sage]

memento is still among the top choices for solo play if you value survivability over burst damage

[cursive sand]

It still a thing mate and the golden bullet is a thing for seasons also get you exotic cashes!

[sullen night]

Ah sweet, I am not exactly a top tier player and like having some survivability

Sounds perfect then, tyvm

[sullen sun]

How can I optimize this?

[shy willow]

Take focus off and put obliterate on

Swap the m4 for a lefty/R&R/ACS12

[vestal ibex]

25 expertise..... What content are you optimizing for?

[sullen sun]

I have one of those builds I’m using this to grind golden bullet and cd

For something different

[vestal ibex]

GB backfire is different....

[sullen sun]

And do you use Nijabag with that? 😆

[vestal ibex]

I'd memento vs ninja bag any day.

[sullen sun]

What’s that build look like?

[vestal ibex]

idk whatever you want. I'd just have a gun to get GB on then swap to backfire and go ham.

[sullen sun]

Backfire meta still a thing? Compared to Oro?

[flint wave]

Gb bullet king is different

[vestal ibex]

Backfire can be good but you'll typically bleed to death. In order to make it so you don't bleed to death you need to sacrifice so much on brands/gear slots/attributes to get bleed immune it's not worth it. GB changes that tho.

[vestal ibex]

Would be better to just iron lung yeah?

[flint wave]

Bullet king has a bigger mag to reload then iron lung

[vestal ibex]

breh