td2-build-advice

[flint wave]

They don't play the same

[austere hornet]

Realy

Is there a good assault rifle until I get 1 to drop

[flint wave]

chameleon is very average since it's mid until you get the buffs then it's a really good smg

[hazy steeple]

Chameleon is a Vector with a bigger mag size and classified as an AR (so AR buffs) but not the range of an AR.
It's....an odd gun.

[flint wave]

police m4 or famas for now

[hazy steeple]

In a matter of weeks, Project Resolve is dropping so a lot more AR's will be on the list of "best in the game".

[flint wave]

rip famas after resolve

[austere hornet]

Why?

[flint wave]

and carbine

[hazy steeple]

Neither are getting a nerf, I have no idea why people think that them buffing other guns means that another one is bad.

AK's just being a doomsayer.

[flint wave]

they become irrelevant in the meta

[austere hornet]

Is the nieuw exotic we get a rifle?

[flint wave]

not bad just "why use it"

[hazy steeple]

Yeah they're just being silly. Famas and C7 will both still be fantastic when Project Resolve drops.

[flint wave]

behind you gonna carry the high ends🛌

[hexed steppe]

Exp 20 upgrades

[flint wave]

good thing they making exp cheaper

[hexed steppe]

Still gonna be 42 exo

[hazy steeple]

Frankly, Striker is so overtuned that you can pretty much use any high-end AR with it and still wipe the floor on Heroic.

[austere hornet]

So go for famas or m4 what talents should I look for

[hazy steeple]

Strained or Fast Hands.

Optimist is....good too.

[flint wave]

therefore we should not care about how good stuff is and just use what's fun

[hazy steeple]

Yes.

[flint wave]

I agree

[austere hornet]

Sorry if I ask dum questions I don’t play mutch division2

[flint wave]

legendary isn't a real difficulty anyways

[hazy steeple]

Don't apologise for asking questions, if anyone gives you a hard time for it, you tell me and I'll yell at them for you.

[flint wave]

oh wait someone beat legendary with 6pc 5.11

Looks like all my points are dead

[hazy steeple]

Everyone here started out as knowing nothing.

[flint wave]

😔

[tired raft]

@austere hornet try m1a or baker dozens

[flint wave]

imagine being informative in the build advice channel

can't have shit in dc

[gritty shard]

Hey people, I returned to D2 after very long hiatus. I watched quite a lot yt videos with builds but all I see require max shd watch and perfect godrolls, which I dont have yet (300 SHD here) Could you recommend me some more beginner friendly builds? I like to run n gun but I often find myself dying/on the brink of death with full dps builds so I assume I need some survivability boost with armor/armor regen or something. Something that would let me tackle content where I can farm better stuff.

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel.
Striker is top damage but it doesnt have build in survivability.

Hunters fury and umbra initiative both have healing aspects.

Exotic backpack memento is a single item that can slot into most builds for survivability.

Honorable mention would be heartbreaker but it's harder to farm and locks you into a certain spec/weapon list

Gunner spec on any build can give you 10% armor on kill

[onyx sage]

important thing to mention is while striker doesn't have built in survivability, you can bring your own in the form of backpack or chest talents

you can use memento with striker and you will live comfortably solo while dealing good damage

as local mentioned ^

[tawdry flare]

You can use preservation and gunner combo as well

[dreamy valve]

You can use Heartbreaker for some survivability

Just go to countdown 2-3 times and you’ll get what you need

[gritty shard]

Yeah I know but still idk what I should look for...

looking at the spreadsheet now but still all this confuses me a little

[dreamy valve]

4pc heartbreaker all blue, memento, and improvised holster will get you bonus armor, armor regen, damage reduction, protection from elites, 6 tier shield

Very forgiving and beginner friendly

Less punishing than full red strikers

Gunner spec give you armor if you switch from striker shield spec

[hexed steppe]

Requires targets to be pulsed or no damage/bonus armor

[flint wave]

where damage

[dreamy valve]

Just shoot their head to get pulse

[gritty shard]

whats about non gear set builds? Are there any worthwhile?

[flint wave]

black tusk be like

[hexed steppe]

Make sure to mention that when dealing with hb advice

[dreamy valve]

Get stacks with Acs shotgun, headshots are easy with shotguns lol

[gritty shard]

Can I post here picture of what I currently have?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

Can paste direct from snipping tool

[hazy steeple]

absolutely. All we need to see is a picture of the main build page and one of your stats that includes the crit bits.

[flint wave]

6 blue 4 pfe mods hb no crit abomination is the true left wing of div2 builds

[gritty shard]

the rolls arent perfect and I often find myself on the brink of death or dying but its the best I have.

[hazy steeple]

What does that even mean?

[vestal ibex]

Not to get political but I like cats.

[flint wave]

div2 build advice politics is me fav

[tawdry flare]

Ok than purr..

[dreamy valve]

I soloed 5 rogue agents with it

[hazy steeple]

I do enjoy banning people for it, it's true.

[gritty shard]

Thats sounds cool, also noticed the nickname... fellow tank? 😄

[tawdry flare]

Being banned by AI

Oh how the tide have turned on humanity

[hazy steeple]

Never been on the internet before?

[flint wave]

but how long did it take

[tawdry flare]

20 mins at least

[flint wave]

expertise probably carries here, being ur only source of all weapon damage

[gritty shard]

I like when my armor bar looks like this [IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII] then I feel safe
but armor on kill doesnt give me that in boss fights/small fights when there isnt enough cannon fodder enemies to get armor from.

[onyx sage]

the truth is there's always content that will deal so much damage it's not worth tanking it, and then when you're not tanking it you might as well do more damage

[dry totem]

hello guys i need a bit help with my gear. is this enough for raids? bc i just read and saw ppl said that 3x profidence is the way to go but i just swap it with solocov bc i use my ouroboros. CR 58,5% CDMG 197,3% my clan said this isnt enough for raid but wont explain why.

[vestal ibex]

Your clan might be bad at raids?

[flint wave]

[dry totem]

i dont know im new to the clan but they seems like really organized

[fickle light]

yeah, 3pc prov is just 3pc sokolov with HSD instead of SMG dmg, which all things considered isnt much of a difference

[cedar tapir]

Or they just don't want you to participate

[flint wave]

they eyeballed the build and didn't see any providence

[fickle light]

that looks honestly fine to me, its better than a lot of builds i've seen

[flint wave]

haven't we all

[vestal ibex]

You might wanna try some LFG raids, I'd never turn down someone with your build. It's fine, not the "best" but honestly most raids can be done with 6-7 people without much issue.

[dry totem]

thanks! bc i really wondering why they dont want to explain the issue behind my set. just because i dont use providence set. i just swap the headshot dmg to SMG dmg like i play my weapon. mathematically this should be fine in my mind but ye.. thats why im asking the whole community bc they really gave me a insecurity

and they said THIS should be a min requirement for a raid.

[onyx sage]

it's just that the providence version is so common most people just assume it's the minimum

[fickle light]

The SMG damage bonus is smaller than you'd think, as it is additive to the red cores in your build, making the actual damage increase smaller than a straight up 15% would make you think. But all in all you use 3pc prov, grupo/ceska, an exotic, and Fox's Prayer. You have Oro so its really fine to go 3pc Soko just by virtue of the oro being as good as it is

[dry totem]

THIS is what i need as an explanation. not like "because it is a min requirement". i totally agree with the 15% headshot. if i dont have an ouroboros i would run 3x providence but with it it shred really hard in my opinion

[gritty shard]

Okay, maybe I need some starting point in my build, like item I would like to use. How would you recommend building for Backfire?

[fickle light]

As the guy who wrote the guide on it- Dont. Not worth it.

[flint wave]

lol

[dreamy valve]

Works too, I got a similar build

[gritty shard]

Im lost lol for now I spend x5 more time reading/watching about the game than playing the game

[dreamy valve]

As long as the strikers build you posted

[cedar tapir]

Are we tank meming?

[dreamy valve]

I went into the fight with Max heartbreaker and max memento stacks, and strikers shield damage bonus. They couldn’t get through my bonus armor that was protected with pfe mods and defender drone

[cedar tapir]

How long did it take you to kill 30 enemies for memento stack

[dreamy valve]

Surprisingly not long, I was in the cp4 sink hole with 3 other players. They all hid at the base while I camped them outside

Rogue Agents had their theme, but they hear this when I come after them: https://youtu.be/F4gL1jDd3xk?si=UhEeI4GHoqh-4nAo

[flint wave]

The real question is have you taken this hb build into a legendary stronghold

I know the striker tank version can do legendary strongholds consistently(cuz I use it and the people that I took the build off of recorded runs for it)

[cedar tapir]

Hotshot with bloodsucker best tank

[dreamy valve]

I’ll try that next, golden bullet will work wonders with it

[flint wave]

golden bullet 🛌

[cedar tapir]

You won't need the armor though, since everybody will be dead.

In solo at least

[gritty shard]

Ok is anyone here willing to console and mansplain help me in the DMs to put the build together on paper so I could start farming?

[vestal ibex]

You check out a build guide yet?

They are linked in the spread sheet. Super gud stuffs.

[gritty shard]

I only looked at million yt videos and the builds in spreadsheet

[flint wave]

looks like ur stuck in div2 tutorial hell

[dreamy valve]

Use a mid to long range weapon build. Close range build like that is generally a lot more riskier for newer players without multiple sources of survivability

[flint wave]

the way to get out is to actually go and forge a build(preferably one that's easy to make which is why so many recommend strikers battlegear)

gotta start somewhere or you'll never get anywhere

[gritty shard]

I mean, I wasnt expecting so much options at my level, with my gear. Thats why I came here to ask lol

[dreamy valve]

The spreadsheet will get you the builds to start with

Part of the fun is playing around with different loadouts

To see which one works for you

[gritty shard]

blue core category is almost empty 😢

[flint wave]

The categories would be inflated if you just put "striker but blue" as it's own separate build

[vestal ibex]

The game is kinda dumb tho. Putting a ton of armor on doesn't buy you much time but it'll make your TTK like 6 seconds for one enemy and by the time you kill them you ded too.

[dreamy valve]

Everyone here will give you alot of answers but the best way to solve your issue is to find out yourself using the available resources

[flint wave]

There's no difference to how it's built besides the blues

so no need to make a separate guide

[cedar tapir]

No need to include useless builds in the guide tbf

[vestal ibex]

Preference and player skill are huge factors too.

[gritty shard]

preference: survival player skill: low

[flint wave]

suggestion: using cover and crusader shield

[vestal ibex]

Learning the AI is huge. Also it's better to peek while aiming vs using the cover system. Player profile is like 1/4 if you peek vs use cover. Also map knowledge of spawns and how to kill them out of the door is big.

[vapid bobcat]

hey guys! anyone here tried to run with ninjabag striker and nego using st elmos? how was it? checking to see as i have them gears with maxed att ty!

[flint wave]

The clearest sign of "I don't understand how to build in this game" is an all gearset build

[vestal ibex]

Ninjabag is misleading because you give up a backpack talent which in almost all cases is stronger than unlocking a set bonus or two.

[vapid bobcat]

oh i see coz im the office rn and was thinking of putting them together when i get home coz i got them last night from countdown

so for striker its better to have fenris and ceska w the 4pc eh?

[tulip charm]

ceska and/or coyotes mask or groupo

[vapid bobcat]

sounds good guys ty!

[gritty shard]

aaaaand I died at challenging countdown 🤡

but I got this

How would you rate this (I used what I found in stash)

[hazy steeple]

For the content where enemies have a ton of health, that build but swapping out the Fox's Knees for a ceska piece instead would be pretty much the DPS meta.

[gritty shard]

700k armor -_-

[vestal ibex]

Perfection.

[gritty shard]

And I think my gunner is bugged cause Im not getting that 10% aok

[vestal ibex]

You need to put points in and unlock it.

[gritty shard]

I have it maxed

[vestal ibex]

If you've got points in you'll get that AOK. Just watch it when you get a kill.

[hazy steeple]

It's likely that enemies are hitting you and remove it fast enough to not notice, it is only 10%.

[gritty shard]

but its total glass cannon imho

[hazy steeple]

Yeah survivability can be a real issue with it, but you could always throw on Unbreakable, even without Obliterate it still does stupidly high damage.

btw this is referring to the alternate version where you swap out the Striker chest for a Ceska and make the knees Striker instead.

that specific version is used for the "bulk" of content, aka: heroic and most other stuff.

[gritty shard]

Will look into it

but after playing countdown in that way/playstyle I can say that this isnt my pieace of cake, too sqishy

lets say I go for control points solo, I will be doomed. I really need something like this xd

[hazy steeple]

It's very squishy, but after enough practice it will shine with its DPS.
could always try something like a Hunters Fury setup. Not sure if it'll fair too well in Countdown, but for most content it's a nice easy build.

Heartbreaker is a good set if you want DPS+tank, works fine in Countdown, and does fairly good damage.

[tardy oracle]

you might like the Liquid engineer, with a chestpiece with gunbonus% of your choice (fenris, sokolov etc) with Intimidate, with 4p hunters fury

works wonders with the Oro

[tulip charm]

Just use memento if you're gonna run it solo

you get both survivablity and utility

[flint wave]

The things you gotta sacrifice to get this much armor tho

That looks like 6 blue core memento with a few trophy pickups or max charged bloodsucker(10 kill chain) with atleast 4 blue cores

[vestal ibex]

Could try the ultimate squish with PGC and sharpshooter.

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

Standard red DPS is a really good build too.

[tawdry sequoia]

how come i feel like i do no damage in Countdown?

Is there some build i have to run to do dmg?

[tulip charm]

You can always show ur build with stats

[tawdry sequoia]

hold on let me post my stuff

[flint wave]

Because this is heroic difficulty health in countdown

[vestal ibex]

It's scaled for 8 person. You need a lot of DPS to really feel like you are doing damage.

[tulip charm]

Also that

[tawdry sequoia]

gotta make my gearset in the builder rq

[flint wave]

slightly misleading difficulty ik

[tawdry sequoia]

got that right lol

[cedar tapir]

love bloodsucker tbf

[tawdry sequoia]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2GBWEcB0B2GFgAZ1U8RjSSSAuMADnChjrFAE50JJ1mRWv83yygipGLsG8ODGCE0WHDAIRBAymFTRsoMn14FUwBM2S1lpiojTFoS8sEx4HxYPoLRTKvFUnBo0LbY5sWj43Dw8qETQQBFB8cHViTGheaT8MIgofLkkmMMSUGCDMsD9YLidaGJAkkFpWUM9POygrJEguTBlk9BNhDqDUalAMeH507iA

theres the build

[tulip charm]

Its not bad but tbh If I were to be doing heroic cd I would use striker

[vestal ibex]

Even challenging would see a good increase from strikers.

[flint wave]

There couldn't be worse content to use a high end build in then countdown

[tawdry sequoia]

why is it so bad

[vestal ibex]

It's not bad, just not ideal.

[acoustic coral]

Can't be certain you have 100% uptime on perfect killer in countdown

[flint wave]

yea

But you'll get wrecked on extraction

[tawdry sequoia]

im only like 60 hours in lol

doesnt the Teal gear only have 1 attribute tho?

[acoustic coral]

Normal-Hard Challenging Countdown it would be alright, Challenging and up would be rough.
The main negative I see on that build is the Dark Winter talent, it requires you to be the killer - with 7 other members in the group I'm not sure you'll have enough uptime

[tawdry sequoia]

I usually swap it out for another crafted vector, with more consistent perk

[flint wave]

Yes because it has its own bonuses after the first piece and an ability of its own when you have 4 pieces

[tulip charm]

You're doing good tbh

You should build strikers then

[vestal ibex]

16 loadouts per character. Start filling them up.

[tawdry sequoia]

What is high end build good for then?

[vestal ibex]

Short engagements.

[tulip charm]

Iron Horse!

[tawdry sequoia]

So dark zone basically

[flint wave]

🛌

[tulip charm]

Kinda

[flint wave]

That too but it has 4-6 blue cores instead

[tawdry sequoia]

I feel like thats gonna do no dmg

[vestal ibex]

In the DZ that's standard. You can run all red builds if you open the fight and shoot first but you will probably only get 1-2 people then you'd get ended.

[gritty shard]

this seems nice

[acoustic coral]

Not that I want to discourage cooking up your own build, that's what the game is all about, having fun with all the items, checking the spreadsheet pinned in this channel is just a good place to start for builds.

[tawdry sequoia]

guess im swapping to Striker then, which gear pieces do i swap out for it?

[tulip charm]

Not a fan of nightwatcher in hb

[tulip charm]

You'll want Coyotes, Striker chest (if just for cd) and backpack and ceska piece wherever is left

[gritty shard]

idk I like pulse scanner skill

[tulip charm]

Also get yourself a good ar

[tawdry sequoia]

@tulip charm can i stream to u my vault, maybe theres something good in there?

[tulip charm]

Sure why not

[urban latch]

For what it's worth, I personally really prefer high end (although with DCH and regulus) over strikers in countdown. Especially the obliterate strikers, where I find obliterate constantly resetting on me. I've tried running strikers with DCH and regulus, but it's just not more effective than a high end setup for me.

[tawdry sequoia]

Is there a voice channel in here?

[restive python]

what you think about this, for CC in legendary? perfect eyeless, perfect vindictive on weapons, perfect trauma and perfect creeping death, +1 red from Picaros, 10% smg and 15% MMR damage from brand sets, 55% status effects

[tulip charm]

nope

[tulip charm]

EP exist tho 😦

[fickle light]

Not any more, no. Ubisoft decided to take them out.

[restive python]

I know, also have an EP build saved. thought this might be situationally better as you can CC enemies just with a headshot.

[hexed steppe]

can do with scorpio as well

[restive python]

altho the cooldown on both chest and backpack talents are rather slow, even the perfect

[tawdry sequoia]

what are some good assault rifles? Is it just preference basically?

[tulip charm]

Current top ones are Police m4, Carbine 7 and Famas

Eagle Bearer and F2000 soon to be top ar aswell

[tawdry sequoia]

any exotics?

[tulip charm]

St. Elmo aswell

[tawdry sequoia]

Ok cool i have Eagle

[gritty shard]

any thoughts?

[restive python]

currently St Elmos, next patch eagle is very good again

[tawdry sequoia]

Ill just build Eagle then for next patch

Strikers is still the build?

[tulip charm]

ye

[hexed steppe]

backpack is used a lot for cc tho, along with eclipse. other good options are accostas for oc foam and emp sticky, or opportunistic for debuffing with scorpio. you really want that ep spread

[tawdry sequoia]

And for the sub attributes i want what?

[tulip charm]

50%+ chc and the rest into chd

[tawdry sequoia]

K

[tulip charm]

60% chc if no coyotes

[tawdry sequoia]

I have good Coyote

we go 50%

[restive python]

got it thanks. Im just worried running 1 or even 0 blues, shotgun range can be deadly on legendary, thats why im hesitant about the scorpio on this.

[tawdry sequoia]

Also should I keep the Picaro Holster or Fox's Prayer?

[tulip charm]

You want a Ceska piece

[tawdry sequoia]

k

[tulip charm]

Striker is crit starved

[tawdry sequoia]

red or blue core?

[tulip charm]

Red

[restive python]

I think its ok to run 1-2(-even 3) blues on striker imo, most of the damage comes from the stacks anyway

especially in the beginning if you die often

also makes the shield stronger

[tawdry sequoia]

also why do people kick people from countdown groups

like bro if ur gonna be picky then use a premade

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal ibex]

I personally think if you host a countdown you should expect noobs but on the other hand sometime I don't feel like doing a carry. You do get to choose how you want to play the game and sometimes it's a struggle with too many new people.

[tulip charm]

Just try challenge

[tawdry sequoia]

lmao almost finished heroic with 5 people

[tawdry sequoia]

st elmo's i find just by targeting ARs right

[vestal ibex]

Yep it's in the general exotic pool so it should eventually drop.

[tawdry sequoia]

last question i swear, The Ravenous isnt very good is it

[vestal ibex]

It's VERY niche and not really good for general play.

[gritty shard]

Okay, different question now. Is there the best way to level up shd/farm xp?

also did this, it seems to be nice allrounder with focus on survival. When I max watch and get better mods + expertise damage will be little higher.

[acoustic coral]

Get comfortable with a build, Heroic 5 Directives and then run around and do all the activities around the open world.
Public Execution is the fastest.
If you stock up on a lot of bounties you can do them back to back.

The most important note is "whatever you can do efficiently".
Cranking up the difficulty and putting on all directives doesn't matter if you die all the time.

[tawdry sequoia]

Is chamelon any good? just got it out of a cache

[tulip charm]

not really

[gentle lichen]

Buffs up, good. No buffs up, not good.

[gritty shard]

St. Elmo AR and Striker gear set for dps

the one everyone is using, basically

[primal horizon]

hello all, back in D2 after a while away, was wondering why I'm seeing so many hotshot builds... is it just building up for determined use?

[shy willow]

Hotshot bonuses are crazy good

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's the best numbers available type thing.

[primal horizon]

are people doing it with MMRs and if so I'd get mostly white death or nemesis huh?

semi-auto MMRs are probably still garbage for the most part I'd guess

[shy willow]

Yeah white death is right about the best option right now

After resolve it's getting left in the dust though

[vestal ibex]

You'll get bigger top damage but that'll matter for certain legendary content and not much else. Still if you get an m700 with DTTOOC I'd hold on to it.

[shy willow]

I got a dttooc m700 carbon out of a proficiency cache the other day which was pretty nice

[primal horizon]

I try not to worry about that sort of thing, bogs down inventory so bad... only really special stuff gets to stay in the stash and even then I tend to just clean stuff out every so often... CD makes it so easy to get loot

[tawdry sequoia]

just got a NinjaBike Kneepads with maxed weapon damage, and both crits -_-

[hexed steppe]

yeah determined is a huge driver to why so many hotshot builds are around.

[fickle light]

exotic armor will always drop with the same stats

[stark solstice]

About the weapon I find chameleon is underrated, I tried it with striker in incursion, striker buff filled fast and after few seconds it seems unstoppable. Compare to st Elmo and ouroboros. Why this is not used much

[shy willow]

Because ouro doesn't need to fill any buffs to be good

Same with elmo

[stark solstice]

Yes, but this needs to be refilled so fast and actually ouro talent is a waste, for the chameleon 45 bullet for its buff is not much and it stays for a lot longer. Doesn't understand why not used enough

[fickle light]

because it takes 45 bullets to get good, and its range is not great compared to other actual ARs, and the buffs running out is something you need to worry about with cham, not with other exotic ARs

[onyx sage]

chameleon needs the buffs to be good, ouro is good at base

[hazy steeple]

then either Directives or Countdown+caches from its vendor.```

[sullen sun]

Can I get your guys opinion on this video?

https://youtu.be/ul4yBL8e9is?si=a9DEYuc17-dmBYB-

[gentle bramble]

Sooo I was trying this build that I read somewhere and somehow it was supposed to be very resilient but it doesn't feel like? At least if I am trying to solo some random events in Challenging map, I die very fast. It may be that I am playing it wrong too.

[wise swallow]

I mean

almost doubling DPS of a gun is silly

thats not how you balance something

but this is massive

[fickle light]

odder gimme a summary

[vestal ibex]

New patch 85% more DPS on uhhh L86 I think?? New talents OP af.

Not just lil power creep but HUGE power leap.

[flint wave]

I pray for behind you nerf

[vestal ibex]

I'll probably just stick to speed running and maybe become a meme build user in most the rest of the game just to keep it interesting, otherwise it'll probably just feel like non stop cheese.

[flint wave]

my build is staying exactly the same in power between updates so

[onyx sage]

i might redo solo 6 red

just showcasing the newfound power

[flint wave]

good luck with no shield peek

[onyx sage]

don't need

[vestal ibex]

Wont need it just killem

[onyx sage]

^

[flint wave]

you'll die

guranteed

[onyx sage]

not if they die first

[flint wave]

ye let me know how many attempts it takes

[vestal ibex]

Tons of people don't really use that peek thing ya know.

[flint wave]

I know, I'm one of them

preparing for the update

[onyx sage]

i'll just see whether the massive increase in power we got actually makes up for being able to shoot without LOS

[vestal ibex]

I am interested on how they fixed that. Like did they move bullet origin or what?

Wonder if super up close regulus shots will feel better.

[tawdry flare]

I don't really felt that much difference but I didn't use shield peek in pts that much it was for few hours just new weapon

Vindicator is busted but needs a bit of rework

No bots targetted no focus

Missing CHC

[gentle lichen]

Bullets come out of the face now

[vestal ibex]

We spitting lead yo.

[gentle lichen]

Spitting BARS with behind you

[tawdry flare]

At least it doesn't come out of the secret part

[random sigil]

i didn't see one in the spreadsheet, but any builds around true patriot?

[vestal ibex]

The spreadsheet has what most consider good builds on it. TP just happens to be a dud of a gearset.

[random sigil]

ah okay, that's unfortunate. I've been seeing it a lot in countdown lately by high SHD level players so i was just curious

[vestal ibex]

high SHD=/=good players

[random sigil]

mm, okay got ittt

alsooo, don't crucify me, ive saw some "combat medic" "builds" on youtube (i know, horrible). the closest thing to thaaaat I saw on the spreadsheet is the hybrid red future initiative build. Is that good for general group stuff?

[vestal ibex]

Red FI is a thing but it's typically harder to build and requires more farming than most builds. There is even a blue FI version that some use too. I don't think they are worth much until you are at a what do I do now boredom type thing.

Also youtube can be cool but most of it is junk, at this point I just don't give clicks but I'll hear about fad builds in here and it's a good laugh seeing them in the wild.

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, I've been trying to craft decent solo builds that have enough damage/survivability but it is almost impossible into invest enough in one without sacrificing too much in the other, I've found. I've tested numerous builds, spreadsheet and yt included, and the youtube ones are way too gimicky, they never emphasize that they have like 20+ expertise levels, etc. The only build I found that's pretty decent for a mix of damage/survivability is heartbreakers.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah killing is your best defense. You got regulus yet?

[random sigil]

I do nottt, I haven't been able to do any raids or incursion since im unable to use a mic so most people or groups wont accept me.

[tulip charm]

Its not necessary for incursions

[random sigil]

But, I have the basic red strikers, high end red, HB, the skill build, and eclipse

[vestal ibex]

There are people who will run non verbal or non mic users.

[random sigil]

that's what i thought too

[tulip charm]

IH maybe dh not really

But ig youre unlucky

[vestal ibex]

I can DM you some other discords that do teaching/carry raids from time to time, you'll just have to make your FTC and non mic status known.

[random sigil]

am gonna farm the FI healer build next, i have the setup and btsu gloves, just need to farm good pieces. I'm usually healer/support in other games so figured i migth be good at it here

got it sounds good, ty.

I get so annoyed when i watch a yt build, and theyre showing this super tanky build that pumps out "crap tons of damage", and I'm like.... you're using ouroborus, you have like 20 expertise levels on it. a normal casual player wont be able to use it...

their damage didnt even go higher than my solo HB build...

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but ouro RPM is 1485....

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also anyone has a dps spreadsheet of the pts lmg buffs?

Apparently l86 is soon to be meta

[random sigil]

side note, any recomended changes? this is for solo only.

[vestal ibex]

Memento!

[random sigil]

oh yeaaaaaah,

[vestal ibex]

Buy really it's a good looking build. You can try kingbreaker but M4 is just fine.

[random sigil]

I diiiid, but the better stability on the m4 feels so much better

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well that is just preference. Just like artificer here.

[random sigil]

Kingbreaker I had a hard time hitting further away targets

yeaaah, i need proficiency in other things, figured artificer works with the build anyways

[vestal ibex]

Arty hive is super nice for healing up your shield tho.

[random sigil]

some of these other things i migth just have to donate to get proficiency in...

been also trying to find a use for ninjabike backpack, buuuut i realy cant find anything to use it for where memento wouldn't be better....

[vestal ibex]

All in due time. Prof on things is nice but not really needed. I do wish youtube builds would show the other side with no watch and a build they farmed up in 30-45 minutes to show what it's gonna look like at the start.

[vestal ibex]

You are on the right track lol yeah the loss of a backpack talent just don't make up for a couple brand set bonuses.

[random sigil]

even if i were to pick a defensive talent, bloodsucker would still be better than ninjabike simply cause i could have a brand bonus and an extra stat

[random sigil]

I did find a couple youtubers that did this, but not very many... can't remember their names though, but most it boiled down to get strikers, heartbreakers, the hot shot sniper, or high end dps. Some say HF, but the short range really isnt my style... also, umbras, buuuut, i found it a bit awkward to use.

[vestal ibex]

Dod does a good job of sticking to facts and numbers on his youtube builds. Maybe he'll see this and chime in.

[tawdry flare]

It's a gearset not difficult to farm unlike unicorn _.11 builds

[random sigil]

I saw some of his, and i think the other one was hutchersomething? I used both of their channels to get through descent also

[vestal ibex]

Hutchlers are good too, he wont spit numbers on spreadsheets but his builds are speed running influenced.

[random sigil]

yeaah, his walkthrough of a legendary mission did help me a lot. I wasnt able to solo it, but i didnt die as much in the group lol But, generally i tend to default to the skill build in legendary missions alot.

[vestal ibex]

That's dope tho. Running with a good group can totally turn this game upside down for some that thought there was only one way to run a mission or thing.

[onyx sage]

good solo strats will hold up in groups

[vestal ibex]

This guy here has soloed all the legendary missions.

[onyx sage]

with 700k armor

[random sigil]

his placements and shield peaking things i saw definitely helped. also, do people generally use focus on the chest or obliterate or just strikers chest on legendaries? I think I saw some people use ND in legendaries

[vestal ibex]

breh don't lie it's 728K

[onyx sage]

it depends

focus is if you are comfortable using 8x and is mostly in solo situations where you have to stay at range

[random sigil]

makes sense. i watch solo strats then generally try to matchmake it. so maybe obliterate.

Sorry last qeustion, for the chest piece would the AR damage from Fenris or the Crit dam from groupo be better?

[tulip charm]

What build striker?

[random sigil]

yeah, the striker people use for legendaries with coyotes

[vestal ibex]

CHC/CHD is more than fen in almost every build. I'd strive to have a grupo and ceska obliterate chest.

[random sigil]

got ittt

[tawdry flare]

Striker or nego are the ones who uses focus strat mostly

[vestal ibex]

This is for 6 red builds tho.

[tulip charm]

Ceska > Groupo > Fenrir imo (Assuming non smg strikers)

[flint wave]

At 3 blues fenris becomes slightly better then ceska

[random sigil]

okaaay, this is what i have right now with teh groupo obliterate chest. 50/155 chc/chd. is this good to take into matchmade legendaries?

[tulip charm]

Very

[tawdry flare]

Hey @onyx sage wanna clear Manning tidal in speeds with GB for fun

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

You are using Elmo you can trade in more CHD for CHC

[flint wave]

Wrong way around

[tawdry flare]

I meant get more CHC if you are using elmos cause other weapon will be lacking

[flint wave]

who cares about the other weapon

this ain't ouroboresos

[vestal ibex]

Yeah 90-10 rule imo

[random sigil]

ah, yeah, the other weapon is the lefty, cause i dont have a good ACR to build stacks

[tulip charm]

Lefty is perfectly fine

[vestal ibex]

Lefty has mods for fire rate so it's arguably better for stacking.

[tawdry flare]

Nothing wrong with lefty

[flint wave]

rock and roll exists sadly

but no striker chest

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, i still ahvent gotten it to drop

[round zinc]

Kid name pummel acs

[random sigil]

would you prefer striker chest for legendary group stuff?

[vestal ibex]

DZ and named caches only.

[flint wave]

strained acs better

[round zinc]

Only for legendary

[vestal ibex]

This is the preference stuff I mentioned earlier lol

[tawdry flare]

Fast hand ACS

[flint wave]

🛌

[flint wave]

I use rock and roll in legendary

[vestal ibex]

Ouro/famas

[tawdry flare]

Lefty is best in legendary sledge chungga and dogs ez clear

[flint wave]

no

[round zinc]

Ranger acs🗣️🔥

[random sigil]

Ah lol, yeaaah, if i find a better one to use, I will lol

[tulip charm]

Assuming the dog doesnt run away from the nade xd

[vestal ibex]

Just run from room to room and you don't need to stack. nyyooooommmm

[tawdry flare]

Throw it at spawn

[random sigil]

everyone and everything always dodges my nade. I jsut use to them to make people get out of cover now

[vestal ibex]

You run legendary with a proper CC person in your group?

[tawdry flare]

I did legendary 3 directives yesterday

[flint wave]

These enemies have so much health I can stack with ar alone

[flint wave]

In summit

[tawdry flare]

With bunch of randos hh

[tawdry flare]

Legendary dua

GB was active

[random sigil]

nooo, just solo lol. and if I am in the group, im usually the cc person lol

[flint wave]

gb white tusk hurt

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I like to CC but man it feels good to have a proper CC and DPS.

[hollow pasture]

Found the only other cc person ever

Welcome

[tawdry flare]

Yeah you can hh

[tawdry flare]

Cc with eclipse bag is the best /s

[flint wave]

@hollow pasture 3rd cc user found

[random sigil]

lol I usually just use fire chem then something else like jammer. but, if needed i'll swap to whatever

[vestal ibex]

You got the 4 manhunt skills yeah?

[vestal ibex]

Am gooper pooper.

[random sigil]

i got shock trap? I dont remember what the other three are

[tawdry flare]

Riot foam and jammer with creeping death is the best cc setup

[vestal ibex]

Sticky emp all day.

[random sigil]

ah, Id have to rework my build, i liked the survivalist with fire so i'd have to rearrange but yea, i don't mind doing any kind of cc

[vestal ibex]

Sticky emp, achilles, shrapnel and healing trap.

[random sigil]

oh hmmm. I think the last mahunt i did was lau faye.

[vestal ibex]

Roosevelt, tidal, coney island would be the other three then.

[random sigil]

ah okay, i'll have to do those one day

[tawdry flare]

Sticky emp and Achilles are the Speedster favourite for legendary

[vestal ibex]

Sticky emp is OP and super good for CC build. It's emp length will be longer than it's cool down on a CC build.

[random sigil]

yeaaah, i dont have any of those lol

[vestal ibex]

The two gearlock mentioned are the only two good ones tho. The others you might as well just get.

[pearl carbon]

What the hell is CC

Crit chance?

[vestal ibex]

Crowd control.

[vestal ibex]

CHC

[pearl carbon]

Oh what does crowd control do

[flint wave]

controls the crowd

[vestal ibex]

Controls the crowd.

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

dang too slow lol

[pearl carbon]

No shit lmao like is it a talent or something

😭🤣

Got me there

[random sigil]

yeaah, I checked the missions you mentioned only the repair trap and emp sticky show up

[vestal ibex]

In the spreadsheet, eclipse build-1 pc golan or electrique-named courier or hanna u backpack with creeping death.

[random sigil]

i dont see achilles and shrapnel anywhere

[flint wave]

Faye lau manhunt and schaeffer manhunt

check those

[pearl carbon]

I see I see hank you

[vestal ibex]

Camp white oak and coney island amusement park.

[random sigil]

ah, it says i did those, i guess i do have the skill but im not sure where they are lol

[pearl carbon]

Would striker with creeping death and iron lung be good next update?

[flint wave]

hell no

probably won't be that bad actually

but the fire doesn't last long

[pearl carbon]

Striker with status effect?

[random sigil]

maaan, running into rogues when no one has cc is miserableeee

[vestal ibex]

Get dat scorpio

[random sigil]

I got ittt, but was using st elmos.... id have switched but i assumed one of the others had it lol

[onyx sage]

nah

[hollow pasture]

Rejected

[surreal depot]

wanna clear Manning tidal in speeds with GB for fun

with chameleon

[tawdry flare]

Double nah

[rich lotus]

Is it worth putting 5% rate fire on rock n' roll ACS? I think it gives 15+ RPM and I'm wondering if that's even worth for striker/heartbreaker

Magazine size 12.5% only gives +2 bullets which I'm skeptical of too

[tulip charm]

If you want but the acs-12 is also capable of doing damage on its own.

[rich lotus]

That's my idea, the only difference is I have an ACS god rolled with flatline to work with my striker+technician+kingbreaker, and I wanted to test out rocknroll to see if it's worth at all using and just stumbled at how some mods/stats are just so minimal it barely makes it worth using 😕

This is mostly for pve heroic that I can do without ever worrying about

[tulip charm]

Well at the end of the day you can always reroll it so it doesn’t hurt to try

[rich lotus]

That's true, from me trying on legendary the RPM difference is so small I don't think most players would notice it at all on heartbreaker, and on striker the set itself already increases RPM so idk

[tulip charm]

Also i’d run ceska on that hb set

That 10% chc makes alot of difference

[rich lotus]

I'm nog going for chc/chd and mostly for survivability

[rich lotus]

Not primarily at least and more on survival with the picaros+memento

[tulip charm]

Ye you have memento for that so you should have all the survivability you can ask for. Just a suggestion at the end of the day.

[rich lotus]

True that I just find it a waste not using picaros with 2 cores, that would give extra bonuses to memento

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich lotus]

Is there any other gear that also gives +2 cores instead of +1 disregarding other exotics 🧐 ?

Improvised gears gives 2 cores right? I don't ever use it really

[tulip charm]

No

It just gives another mod slot

[rich lotus]

Ah damn

[tulip charm]

You can try to get a tdi kard for the +1 skill tier when you hold it

[rich lotus]

Already in there lol

[tulip charm]

Oh i didnt see oh well

[rich lotus]

Although Idk how much I actually end up swapping to it

[tulip charm]

Its just useful in niche situations like +1 revive charge or something else

[rich lotus]

Oh damn I actually never looked at it that way, swapping to it instantly gives you 1 charge?

[rich lotus]

Is div2 down atm?

[hazy steeple]

#server-status message

[tulip charm]

5 hour maintenance

[rich lotus]

5 hour 😵 I was hoping I could tweak with some builds around while at work

[tulip charm]

Atleast itll be done when you finish work!

[rich lotus]

Thankfully lol

[tired ravine]

You know if someone uses 100% pulse resistance this build has no damage anymore.

[tired ravine]

oh for pve it's great. I thought it was for darkzone my bad

[round zinc]

Its actually very achievable without tanking too much of your damage

[tired ravine]

Are the servers offline

I can't log in

[nocturne socket]

#server-status message

[tired ravine]

That explains it, ty

[acoustic coral]

I do wonder why they pushed the maintenance from Tuesday to Thursday this week, interested to see what infrastructure change they do that had them wait two days

[hollow pasture]

Emergency maintenance
The manhunt apparently stopped working

[mint axle]

Maintenance isn't just to fix the servers instead of the game itself?

[limpid pelican]

shouldve left it not working

answering backup calls during a manhunt has to be the worst time to do so

[hexed steppe]

That just means easy endorsements

Same with wony backups

[limpid pelican]

not sure what it is about the recruiter mission but i am good on that one

[hexed steppe]

I dont ever see whiteoak backup calls, and I've done a lot this season. Shep 40+ currently

[rich lotus]

I'm not using it for pvp

[rich lotus]

Yeah nono

Pve only I have a few other pvp only builds, making 1 build for both is just not it tbh

[tired ravine]

ikr

[dry zealot]

apart from the hatred for youtubers, one of the wellknown ones showed a Striker6SkillTierbuild that, as long as one groupmember runs coyoteMask is actually not too bad
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAzWCMsE2bFaBcAWAbK++44BmPFSNVdIzMATkXxHNJY3BIs9dPWHo+5chvGsTAChgysCL0atcHACsS+EoDsa3MvAU4UdHHUkawGPogSW+kSWV0SquOGwJazFDcxVxYXFxs4UxhgVWBNPSggA
i switched his ContractorGloves with proper Foxprayer though
anyone tried it yet?
best way to build stacks before entering the Incursion? (40 for Capacitor, 100 Striker)
*i would remove Memento tbh and try to incorporate the StrikerBP, even if it means 5skilltiers only *

[limpid pelican]

oh no

[tulip charm]

not the tier 6 striker 💀

[limpid pelican]

iDentity*has joined the chat

[shy willow]

What the hell is that

6 skill tiers on strikers huhhh

[hexed steppe]

Shouldnt need anyone to run coyote regardless of skill tiers cores. Use ceska+ grupo and you'll hit normal chc/chd numbers.
Instead of rocking a bunch of skill tiers you can rock memento/tech class. 2 free* tiers for skills but memento also rocks 30% skill efficiency, which is 30% in every skill bucket. 🤔

[rich lotus]

Slap on TDI in there and you might get to tier 3 sometimes whenever you just wanna chill too lol

[tulip charm]

The build aside why do you want to start with stacks in incursion You know you can't regardless until you start right?

[hexed steppe]

If* really dgaf could also run yellow picaros for 3/4st while.maintainong 6 red cores

If* , sorry that looked jerky 😅

Future perfect also... blah blah, I'll see myself out 😂

[tulip charm]

That build is funny. I still remember the backlash identity got for.

[hollow pasture]

Because he claimed it would out dps any 6 red build

[tulip charm]

xd

Imagine outdpsing the oreo

[hexed steppe]

Red cap would out dps yellow cap anyways

Not getting close to oreo tho

[tulip charm]

Man I understand the build but its just built terribly

[hexed steppe]

Wasnt a dig, just an observation

[tulip charm]

Yeah no worries.

[hexed steppe]

All red cap, yellow picaro, memento, tech should net 112.5% wd with memento providing another 30-60% wd once charged.
I might have to try something like that 🤔

Just for fun*

[vestal ibex]

Yellow strikers where you rely on your weapon to still do the heavy lifting but end up making it perform worse with no extra survivability.

[tulip charm]

Striker chest or not?

[hollow pasture]

I do want to make a hybrid strikers skill build tbh

[pearl carbon]

Momento slaps with striker but skill hell nah

[tawdry flare]

@hexed steppe look what I found

[tawdry flare]

If he is comparing blue oreo striker with Oreo to Elmo 6 red striker than he is correct sadly

[tulip charm]

No iDentity was comparing his tier 6 yellow striker to full red strikers

[tawdry flare]

Ok than he is definitely wrong

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[hexed steppe]

it would have to be there if mem/picaros. its more a back burner idea at this point tho, ill probably end up making it one day

[tulip charm]

I see

[peak merlin]

Dude i seen this video, i hate this so bad…

Isnt just farm a red striker set is 10 times easier than farm a yellow core striker? Dude make no sense at all

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban latch]

It makes sense once you realize he's one of the many YouTubers just throwing shit at the wall to have "content" to make, and if its controversial for being stupid and misleading that only helps them get more clicks

[shy willow]

It's like 6arakin on MK

[flint wave]

oxidizer lovebirds

[wise patio]

Not really fair comparison

[shy willow]

Wh-

[flint wave]

[wise patio]

Bro sneaked a emoji as image outplayed mods lul

[flint wave]

big sticker

[wise patio]

Yall dont abuse cos the mods are 🤓☝️

They suc the fun out of everything

[hollow pasture]

Outside emotes aren't allowed
But stickers are
They should atleast be consistent smh

[vestal ibex]

Probably cause it's a newer feature and hasn't been a problem... Yet...

[hollow solstice]

still surprised that outside emojis are not allowed

[flint wave]

rarest item in the game?

[hollow pasture]

It's because the server is actually ubi owned basically

So they want no risks

[flint wave]

inb4 they ban stickers

[tawdry flare]

The brand is wrong though

[shy willow]

I just realized the attributes came maxed too lmao

[vestal atlas]

darn, is that what i am doing wrong on getting more clicks 😛

[urban latch]

I love your channel because it's like it's completely oblivious to what farms views and is just about giving out good info

[vestal atlas]

should have more mistakes: ok, next season meta is red rigger with bulletking

[hollow pasture]

Also sexy voice

[shy willow]

Ultimate dps build

[vestal ibex]

I looked at your channel recently and was like that's too much commitment.

[urban latch]

"Hi I'm iKia" 💦💦💦

[tawdry flare]

And I am roterBlitz

[vestal atlas]

lol, well, my ego is well stroked for the rest of the week

[tawdry flare]

Time to make a new video with bk meta

[shy willow]

New dttooc burger king breaks game

[tawdry flare]

Burger kings includes DTTOC by default

[muted hare]

Hey guys question what are some good talents for the backpack? I’m running striker build with a ceska unstoppable talent, I was debating on changing my mask to a strikers and my bag for a different gear but with what talent tho?

[shy willow]

Ah shit I forgor

[tawdry flare]

That is a very good build template just make sure you have Ceit chance crit DMG rolled

[hollow pasture]

What's with low shd players already having good builds

Reminds me of a shd 15 with a Future initiative build

[muted hare]

YouTube @hollow pasture

It helped me understand a good portion of the game and builds, honestly I thought it would be a little more complex compared to warframe but it’s not that bad

[shy willow]

Rare div YouTube W

[urban latch]

If they know to farm countdown and know what they need to look for to put builds together it's super simple. Plus countdown is terrible for shd farming, so it's really easy to have good builds with very low shd

[hollow pasture]

Fair
But feels like it's been happening more now than it has in the past

Not a bad thing just was pointing it out

[muted hare]

Currently I know most builds but as for rolls and to look for specifically that’s what I’m still learning cause I have a few gears and weapons that seem good to me but are bad in others eyes

[vestal ibex]

Just learn what the unicorn items are sooner than later. You never know what you'll get into but having them take up 5-8 spots in your stash will save you tons of time.

[muted hare]

Ah ok I’ll keep that in mind, cause honestly all what iv been doing is putting most of my gear on the recalibration stations for there stats and talents

[hollow pasture]

Unicorn items are a bit harder to learn tbh

[shy willow]

You only really learn them after you see the builds utilising them

Which is usually after you've deconstructed all the seemingly useless stuff that has the exact rolls you need

[hollow pasture]

See an item you don't know if it's good or not and post it here
People will tell you if it's worth keeping or not

[muted hare]

Another question what’s a good smg?

[mild loom]

the best is exotic smg you get after completing incursion (a chance, not guaranteed)

[stark solstice]

Killer will be good

[hollow pasture]

Worth keeping?

[wise patio]

Yea

[stark solstice]

Why

[tired raft]

no, all blues maxed out pretty often

[onyx sage]

no it's part of a YouTuber build

[tired raft]

huh?

[onyx sage]

it's shown in a yt video

not what thompson picked up

[tired raft]

how does it make sense?

[onyx sage]

it doesn't

that's why it's a youtuber build

[tired raft]

i have no idea what youtuber you talk about and why

[onyx sage]

just scroll up and read lol

[tired raft]

i dont see reason?

[onyx sage]

oh wait he didn't post it in this server

but it's part of a yt build

[tired raft]

🤷‍♂️

ok

[worthy kraken]

would Fox's Prayer only be useful for if I'm intending to use a rifle for either of my weapon slots? or is it for the dttooc only?

[onyx sage]

it's for the dttooc

but mostly it's used on high end builds

[worthy kraken]

I was looking to piece together a headshot build and seen both the high-end one and theh otshot set and both uses the fox's

was wondering if it was the difference in weapons but that explains it

also cant decide on any of those two builds but I guess it's mostly just a difference of if I'm using it for a raid or not I guess?

[vestal ibex]

The only reason hotshot 2-3 pc is used is cause it offers more stats than other HE offerings.

[cunning ledge]

i learned stacking crit numbers early, gets me through things much faster and the leveling speeds up, got my 4th HC 1-40 in 16 hours (thats good for me lol)!
i watch a streamer (Rammbob), that i think has the speed run record of 4.5 hours.. 🥹

[urban latch]

Rammbob is amazing

[modest wing]

Doing all red crit with Ninjabiker backpack, feel too weak with The Sacrifice though. Should I switch it for a normal PD vest or do I lose too much damage?

[flint wave]

take off ninjabike and sacrifice

run obliterate chest and striker bag

[dreamy valve]

Are they running it with defender drone

[tulip charm]

No

Striker drone and turrent

[dreamy valve]

Hmm I have a similar hybrid, but I’m using the Umbra gearset instead

[dry zealot]

system error looks interesting but idk if i have enough crafting mats

[vapid bobcat]

is lostdumb or lostnumb in here?

[blissful rampart]

not sure, maybe he got lost? 😎

[vapid bobcat]

hahaha

first time doing dark hours last night and he told us on what to do lol

[tired ravine]

Isn't this broken? Can this 1 shot players in pvp on skill tier 1?

[gentle lichen]

This is for skill proxies only

[tired ravine]

So it does not damage players

[gentle lichen]

There is another one that sticks a bomb on a player and if another player that's been tagged by a bomb too stick close to eachother it explodes

[gentle lichen]

Nope

[tired ravine]

good to know ty

appreciate the help

[tawdry sequoia]

How much crit damage is considered a good amount?

I know i want to get as much as possible, but just for reference

[wise swallow]

depends on the build

[tawdry sequoia]

coyote mask Striker

[gentle lichen]

Depends on weapon too

Smgs are capable of achieving high chd due to having a chc core attribute

[tawdry sequoia]

eagle bearer

[wise swallow]

120~

[tawdry sequoia]

same for St Elmo im guessing?

[wise swallow]

no elmo can go higher

EB needs CHC mods/rolls, elmo doesnt need nearly as many

[tawdry sequoia]

does elmo have inherent chc?

[wise swallow]

muzzle has 20% CHC yea and 20% CHD from scope

[tawdry sequoia]

gotcha

still farming elmo at countdown

I got a high-rolled eagle bearer a while back tho

Does reconfiguring it give a higher roll usually?

[tulip charm]

Somewhat but its not worth rerolling until the next title update

[tawdry sequoia]

Why not?

[wise swallow]

^

[wise swallow]

Ton of exotics can now (when update comes out) get DTOOC and DTA rolls (or whatever 3rd attribute you want) instead of the fixed rolls.

[tawdry sequoia]

Oh shit

[tulip charm]

You can reroll the third attribute to dttoc after the update

[tawdry sequoia]

Ohhhhh shit thats gonna be cracked

The one piece is real

[tulip charm]

So start hoarding exotic components

[tawdry sequoia]

Can the attributes be ripped off other guns or does it need to be recalibrate?

[tulip charm]

Recal

[tawdry sequoia]

also does expertise bonuses go away after recalibrate?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

I wanted to hoard them for cheap expertise 😿

[gentle lichen]

No

[tulip charm]

It doesn’t?

Last time I did it it reset mines

[gentle lichen]

I tested it with a level 1 expertise chameleon

[tulip charm]

I see

[tawdry sequoia]

tyty

[gentle lichen]

You can try that too if you can spare 1 exotic component

Try sacrum since it's the most useless

[tulip charm]

I did it with a lv 3 scorpio a while back and it took it away

[tawdry sequoia]

How do i increase expertise level?

[tulip charm]

So I try it tomorrow then

[tulip charm]

Increase proficiency level of every gear

[tawdry sequoia]

Oh yikes

[main stream]

So am I reading the above right, wait until the next update to do anything with St Elmos, as I can recallibrate after then?

[hexed steppe]

Can recal elmo now

Wait to expertise though

Reconfigure for elmo is in the crafting bench if you want to try for dttooc 3rd roll

[main stream]

Thats what I thought, Cheers

[hexed steppe]

If it's not in the bench buy the blueprint from the crafting lady in the whitehouse

[tawdry sequoia]

JUST GOT ST ELMO

LETS GOOOOO

[cursive sand]

Is the coyote mask good?

[tawdry sequoia]

yes

[hazy steeple]

Hell yeah it is!

and grats! @tawdry sequoia

[cursive sand]

Nice @tawdry sequoia

[hazy steeple]

Coyotes is probably the best "gear" Exotic we have right now, tied with Memento backpack.

of course it depends on the build.

[cursive sand]

Really huh never knew

[main stream]

what specialists do i go with now with st elmos on striker?

[cursive sand]

I was thinking of going a ar kinda build with the st Elmo and then a backup of a smg

[main stream]

i had tech, for the laser, but thats not right anymore.

[hazy steeple]

@main stream Gunner is great since it gives you 10% Armour on Kill (AoK).

free heals, the only downside of Striker is that it's kinda squishy.

[hazy steeple]

A high-end setup wouldn't be the worst idea with that, but you are kind of bringing 2 mid range weapons, leaving your longer ranges open.

[cursive sand]

I could do that or I was thinking going st Elmo’s with a marksman’s or sniper

[tawdry sequoia]

Holy shit elmos is so good

[cursive sand]

Heck yeah it is

A lot of people want it

Me included

[tawdry sequoia]

Is it still good next patch?

[cursive sand]

I think it getting a buff next patch idk

[tawdry sequoia]

Is it also getting the switchable perks?

[hazy steeple]

A rifle like the m1-a classic will serve you a lot better, since both can focus on crits.

[tawdry sequoia]

because i know eagle bearer is getting buffs as well

[hazy steeple]

Sniper (MMR's) in div2 don't really use crit stats at all, just pure headshot damage (HSD)

[cursive sand]

That what I usually run as a backup

[hazy steeple]

There's actually a build in the 📌 pinned spreadsheet called "standard red DPS" that'll help you out a lot.

[hexed steppe]

Also nego for elmo/m1a

[tawdry sequoia]

just rolled this sorry for caps lock

[onyx sage]

damage to target out of cover

[sullen sun]

Decent?

[wise swallow]

Sys corrupt is ass

It’s not bad for a sys corrupt build but

[gentle lichen]

Chest is bad

Coupled with no bag yeah no

[warm cypress]

Do expertise matter right?

[wise swallow]

5s less downtime isnt bad imo

its a horrible set overall but it makes the med kit atleast somewhat usable

[tawdry sequoia]

@shy willow

[shy willow]

Absolutely beautiful

Yeah you're ready to go

[tawdry sequoia]

Did all of that today

like 7 hours of countdown

[shy willow]

If you have an ACS-12 or a lefty swap that on in place of your shotgun tho

It'll stack much faster

[tawdry sequoia]

Wasnt getting any clean rolls on them

[shy willow]

As for the rest whoever's leading will tell you what to do and where to go

[tawdry sequoia]

And was hitting max with just Elmos anyway

[shy willow]

Careful you'll burn out lol

[tawdry sequoia]

Ive got some friends who got the game a little bit ago, they're working thru WoNY right now

[shy willow]

The rolls don't matter too much as long as you're getting sledge and stacking W it

[tawdry sequoia]

i have to get my build online so i can carry

[shy willow]

You can hit max stacks w Elmo's but it's just a case of you get there way faster with an auto shotgun

[tawdry sequoia]

Not shown, eagle bearer instead of elmos once the next patch drops. But yeah im gonna target Shotguns tomorrow

and hopefully a bunch of exotics drop so i can reroll elmos for DTOC

[shy willow]

You out of components?

[tawdry sequoia]

Yep

[shy willow]

Ah oof

[tawdry sequoia]

Stuck with middle roll on everything with Damage to Armor

[shy willow]

Not too bad

[tawdry sequoia]

Honestly damage to armor is pretty good

The majority of enemy health is in their armor

[shy willow]

DTA ain't bad it's just it doesn't apply to things like warhounds and chungas

Dttooc will apply to everything not in cover and has a lil more damage

[tawdry sequoia]

tru

still astounded that i got 4 perfect Striker pieces and a max crit chance mod, AND st elmos in one day

[shy willow]

Rngesus has blessed you today

Then again 7 hours is a hell of a lot of countdown runs

[tawdry sequoia]

Fuck yeah it is

went from like 90->120 SHD

[shy willow]

That max crit chance mod is very very nice though

Keep an eye out for maxed mods for sure

[acoustic coral]

You won't get any good new loot for weeks now, it was nice knowing you

[shy willow]

The lord giveth and the lord taketh

[acoustic coral]

Better sacrifice a lamb and a virgin asap to the RNGods

[tawdry sequoia]

Dont worry about it

i have almost every relevant max stat in my recalibration station

👍

[shy willow]

Well you're pretty prepared for next season then

[tawdry sequoia]

And an Eagle Bearer

[shy willow]

Can't even optimise past the highest attribute value in your library smh

[tawdry sequoia]

Still get kicked from heroic countdowns tho

[shy willow]

Ah yeah SHD elitists will do that

[tawdry sequoia]

Yep, they dont even bother to look at my build

[acoustic coral]

In a way I think it's an annoying change, but I also understand how it will force new players to look into and learn the recal lib mechanic

[shy willow]

In fact for a shd 100 you're better than a lot of SHD 1k+ players

[tawdry sequoia]

Yeah i got kicked from a Heroic Countdown by a SHD 40

-_- I wish i was joking

[shy willow]

I'm surprised they're actually making the game more complex for newer players as opposed to dumbing it down for once

[tawdry sequoia]

Yeah and they have free stats as well, imagine that

[acoustic coral]

I'm slowly chipping away at SHD 1000, recal lib and blueprints.
Currently sitting at SHD 532, only missing 21 max rolls across weapons and 331/455 bps :3

[acoustic coral]

I dunno, it makes sense to me to learn and fill up the recal lib before optimizing, resource wise aswell

[tawdry sequoia]

I have almost no blueprints LOL. im waiting for my buddy to hit 40 so we can farm control points

[acoustic coral]

I enjoy the solo grind and often do cps to farm. My next goal is getting a striker build together aswell as filling the recal lib, then the long term goal is getting me a regulus

[tawdry sequoia]

da fucks a regulus

[limpid pelican]

boom boom

[pearl carbon]

Good pistol

[acoustic coral]

it puts the boom in BOOM HEADSHOT

[pearl carbon]

Puts a wapammmmmm in the shazam

[tawdry sequoia]

nice lol

[pearl carbon]

I recommend going for the eb before next season

I got mine second try

And ravenous first try

It was pre good as soon as I want a gun I somehow get it

But as soon as I want a gearset I never get it

[tawdry sequoia]

I did the raids for EB and rav months ago, and got both first try lol. (I got carried LOL)

and ive never done the raids since

[tawdry iron]

usually pretty easy to get them if you have a group thats helping you

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, I was hoping to get a decent dps build together and just be the guy that shoots for IH

[tawdry sequoia]

Whats the best way to farm Exotic Components?

[tawdry iron]

there are many groups that will be willing to help ftcs, just make sure you let groups know before hand that you are a ftc and you will usually be fine

[tawdry iron]

dz box farming, can check yt for routes

[tawdry sequoia]

ty

[acoustic coral]

ftc? first time combatant?

[tawdry iron]

first time clear

[acoustic coral]

makes sense YEP

[tawdry sequoia]

So basically run around the landmarks and find the Black Crates? The yellow ones dont drop anything?

[tawdry iron]

yeah

somewhere around a 20% chance to get a exo component

[tawdry sequoia]

Does it need to be an occupied zone?

[tawdry iron]

no, it can be any dz

[acoustic coral]

some people run it on lvl 30 chars, right? for less potential people in the dz

[tawdry iron]

yep, sometimes its hard to find dead serveres on level 40

[tawdry sequoia]

Whats the point of the occupied dark zone anyway?

[tawdry iron]

in ODZ the turrets are off in the checkpoint, all landmarks are black tusk and boxes dont cost keys

[tawdry sequoia]

Ok and just to confirm, only the black boxes in DZ give the component

[tawdry iron]

yeah

[tawdry sequoia]

where do i get the aa12 with the perfect extended mag trait?

[tawdry iron]

can drop as a bonus reward in conflict caches or in dz

the lefty is also a good option if you dont have it already

[tawdry sequoia]

dont have

But i want the funny big mag aa12

for the flex

and im also trying to optimize wherever possible, alot of power boosts come from stuff i dont have access to quite yet

Can it drop from those countdown caches?

[ruby ingot]

Which spec is best with a cluster seeker mine build? (For fun)

[tawdry iron]

yes any named item can drop from named caches besides the christmas ones

[tawdry iron]

if you are using hard wired than technician if not then use demo for the mortar turret

nevermind just use demo either way

[rich lotus]

New returning player, what gear should I aim for solo play, currently running striker 4 piece with LMG

[acoustic coral]

I'm currently having a lot of fun running these two:

Missing about 14% HSD, 10% on the gloves as I'm currently using them with CHD and 2% from mods

[tawdry iron]

hadsburg gloves are better than contractors for the HH build, dmg is about the same but you also gain a second attribute

[devout iris]

What talent for the mpx goes well with hf

[acoustic coral]

I have been considering swapping contractors + foxes for 2p habsburg, but it's not like the build needs it. What I really want is to get rid of hazpro on my providence bp for weapon handling and then get the regulus

[tawdry iron]

2 piece hadsburg isn’t worth it, just the one piece to replace contractors

then again contractors working fine but Habsburg is a little bit better

[acoustic coral]

Contractor's + Fox's: 30% WD, 10% Rifle (not using), 10% LMG (not using), 20% HD, 8% DTTOC, 8% DTA
2p Habsburg: 30% WD, 35% HD, 15% MMR, 16% Weapon Handling
I can't be bothered to math it, enemies are one hit anyways

[tawdry iron]

yeah

for reg pistol build hadsburg is better at least, didn’t realize you didn’t have one

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, that makes sense. I haven't been bothered getting a build together and getting into IH tbh

[tawdry iron]

defiantly worth it, regulus is broken

[tawdry sequoia]

Any good ideas for a PvP build?

Ran into the dark zone looking for Exotic components and got shredded

[tawdry iron]

depends what you want to use

you have a preferred weapon type?

[tawdry sequoia]

On the bright side, with the 1 component i got from a chest, i got Out of cover on my Elmo

I like SMGs and Shotguns mainly

but I use everything that isnt a bolt action

Hence the Elmo

It looks like having alot of Blue Cores is really good

[hexed steppe]

Swap the providence with Waller vigilance and get another dta stat.
Dta scales with HH stacks while hsd doesnt

[tawdry iron]

ARs: fenris unbreak, contractors, foxes, coyotes or catharsis mask, matador, ceska holster

[tawdry iron]

smgs: coyotes mask, sokolov unbreak, matador, contractors, foxes, picaros

[tawdry sequoia]

And im guessing mostly blue cores on the gear?

[tawdry iron]

shotgun: coyotes, zeros F, matador, contractors, foxes, ceska holster

[tawdry iron]

1.5mil or above is usually good

[tawdry sequoia]

1.5 mil armor, got it

[tawdry iron]

if you want you can drop armor and use vigi over matador

[tawdry sequoia]

got it, thanks

its 4:30 am and im ging to bed

[acoustic coral]

Changes if I wanna do IH as a first timer? Outside of maybe getting an ACS-12

[tawdry iron]

that should be fine for most of it, depending on the group tho you might want to use the HH build on boss 4 if they are doing faraday

[acoustic coral]

Okay, cool! I might try my luck with an LFG later then, thanks ❤️

[tawdry iron]

yeah np

[ruby ingot]

I revisited my Vile jammer build and I was able to min max to 133,689 per tick

[rich lotus]

How much armor regen is 19,700 in %?

[tulip charm]

.37%? idk

[acoustic coral]

What's your armor?

[rich lotus]

6 blue cores, 1.7m armor and godrolled amor regen on a total of 19.,700

[acoustic coral]

1,16%

[rich lotus]

That's pathetic losing so much stats for just 1,16% of armor regen jesus

Thanks

[tulip charm]

its only worth % based regen then flat regen

[rich lotus]

I was wondering if making a blue pvp build fully focused on regen was worth it at all

[tulip charm]

no

[rich lotus]

Memento gives 3% when max stacks right?

[tulip charm]

yeah iirc

[rich lotus]

Memento, emperor, golan 2pc, Belstone worth it at all?

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich lotus]

6% armor regen if memento full stack

Oh well worth a shot

[tulip charm]

the issue will be memento since you need to stack it first

[rich lotus]

Not that hard I just have to farm like 1-2 cp

Worth it the end

[tawdry flare]

Not really tbh

[gentle lichen]

It is but under certain circumstances

Namely a blue regen regulus build

[rich lotus]

I was thinking of more of a pvp build, https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwJgtArGBsbgjPMAGM8DsyuuAThFPKkSqauSgFzCwVKJrwDMaUdq4xaZlTukMOGlhMAHGkzYweAmmIUFPEMAGxOpDNhz5CivVXiwoashK3Sdc0-uSUQHFSbqSs3EjaWYBiWPFy-cdDRccT9+XygQJFt4cUIEcHswJlh0cNY4aLsmFVRofg8GNkp0EsYrVHQAOihqtiocmFqkfLA6q1ogA like this one for example

[gentle lichen]

It is a pvp build

[rich lotus]

I trade 1% regen for 50% more chd

Blue regen regulus worth it in pvp?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

Your first mistake was speccing into hazpro

[rich lotus]

How's that

[gentle lichen]

Spreading yourself too thin

[rich lotus]

It's mainly for elmos tbh

70% haz and 20% shock

I hate that gun with all my inner cores

[gentle lichen]

How are you going to do damage?

[rich lotus]

Then we go back to this

I remove all regen and put into chd

+50% CHD and ouro already has an alright chc by default

[gentle lichen]

41%

Where you should aim for 50%+

Just have a dedicated build to counter shock

[bronze hound]

@onyx sage anything noteworthy about the PR changes next season? ive been out of the loop for quite some time

[rich lotus]

No wonder people hate div2 pvp honestly, having to make a full build just to be able to counter a damn gun that can be plastered on any build for it to stun peps

I hope they rework status in div3 tbh

Make it so you need a specific stat to make status longer or just a threshold for certain status to peak like shock

[gentle lichen]

You can use technician with hive for faraday

Gonna make you immune from shock if you stand in a 5m radius of it

[rich lotus]

And meet 9x pulse resis players every 5m

[bronze hound]

counterargument: having to make a counter to a standard/popular build means youre automatically better than most players

pvp is all about who has the most builds, always has been

[gentle lichen]

I hotswitch almost every engagement

[rich lotus]

What is this overwatch lol

Counter play every time you go back to respawn

[gentle lichen]

One time 3/3 split another time meta another time shock resist/hazpro

[gentle lichen]

Not really

[rich lotus]

Well if it was just a build then sure

[gentle lichen]

Just be out of combat

[rich lotus]

But elmos you can just put it on any build and it will stun people

It's just 0 IQ

[bronze hound]

then run it yourself

[rich lotus]

God

[bronze hound]

what

[rich lotus]

That's exactly my point

😂

[bronze hound]

im not following

[rich lotus]

I mean what happened to scorpio on pvp anyways

[bronze hound]

it applies different status effects, always has

[gentle lichen]

I would like the idea of a foaming elmo tbh

[bronze hound]

that would still be an issue and you know it lol

[gentle lichen]

At least you can shoot back lmao

[bronze hound]

unless they run around you

which people using foam do

[gentle lichen]

Bulwark shield is actually good against shock users

Because when you get shocked you still move in a 360 degree angle

Can just pull out a bulwark and make it tank the dps check you'll get

[rich lotus]

Can't they just shoot stun wait shoot stun wait?

[gentle lichen]

Inconsistent though. Because if there are 2 players you'll get overwhelmed

[rich lotus]

I've seen that happen before somewhere lol

[gentle lichen]

Bonus armor gives you shock immunity (not from shocker punch though)

[bronze hound]

anyways N do you know much about what was present in the PTS

[flint wave]

people still forgetting that shocker punch exists👴