td2-build-advice

[worthy kraken]

hmm :/

is a nice idea to use skills mostly but I guess it's a bit tricky to go around stuff

[glossy scarab]

actually ive been using behind on a lot and it stays up way more than i expected. decoy and drone help distract them too

[dreamy valve]

Anyone know how Artificer hive works with Decoy? I forgot

[dreamy valve]

like emp rooms?

[worthy kraken]

overall the idea of skills being able to be hard countered

the existence of it is understandable, but the builds heavily catered towards its use get heavily damaged when it does get countered

[glossy scarab]

i think it increases the decoys threat level, maybe the duration too

[dreamy valve]

oh really

[hexed steppe]

Expertise increases threat level of decoy. Artificer will increase the uptime/repair its health afaik

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[granite girder]

Hey so question iam makeing a proper build for my lower lvl charakter that i only use in low lvl dz currently iam running in sync on a rpk am striker drone

5 core skill atributes

1 defense

And iam usein on my chest piece unbreakable and on my backpack leach

[sudden ravine]

Suggestions?

[shy willow]

Whats your aim w the build

[sudden ravine]

Dps

[flint wave]

Use memento if survivability or use coyotes. Catharsis is doo doo

[sudden ravine]

What’s wrong with cath

[flint wave]

Healing cloud is really bad

And the damage isn't enough imo since once the healing cloud drops you lose all the damage

it's not very good in either area

[shy willow]

I only use catharsis in the control room tbh

[sudden ravine]

What has more damage max Cath stacks or coyote

[shy willow]

But yes what Thompson said if youre looking for survivability and damage memento is the best thing ever

[shy willow]

Cath has a blue core so it inherently has less damage

[sudden ravine]

More looking for a pvp damage build

[shy willow]

Its also missing crits

[shy willow]

Oh

[sudden ravine]

I wanna be able to take some shots in pvp and not instant die lol

[flint wave]

Well run a better chest piece first of all

Striker chest is dead in pvp

[sudden ravine]

It is?

[shy willow]

You cant maintain 200 stacks

[flint wave]

yes ur giving up unbreakable or obliterate and your never reaching anywhere near 200

[shy willow]

Even in pve its very difficult outside certain activities

[sudden ravine]

All I run is DZ conflict and countdown

But I like this orous and wanna run a build for pvp

[wise swallow]

chest is useless. so is carth.
use striker backpack, coyote and soko chest with unbreakable (or oblit but i like unbreakable with SMG's) 5 blue

if you struggle to stay alive with that id honestly just say skill issue. work on your movement

[wise swallow]

foxes could work

but id rather coyote solely for team

thats if you wanna keep ouro/smg

[sudden ravine]

How’s this for ouros

[shy willow]

Huh why 2 piece hunters fury

[sudden ravine]

+15% smh dmg

[shy willow]

And why zero Fs

[sudden ravine]

Un breakable

[shy willow]

^

[hazy steeple]

Kinda bad.
with gearsets, the rule (except for Hotshot) is "4 pieces or no pieces".

The other 2 pieces should be 2 high end or 1 high end and Memento, something like that. (Backpack and Chest)

[sudden ravine]

Building is so confusing to me 😂

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry, you get used to it after a while.
Everyone started out as a newbie 🙂

[sudden ravine]

If I replaced the chest from my first striker build it wouldn’t have 4 for the set? So

[hazy steeple]

Striker is nice and easy to build, just go Coyotes for the mask, 4 pieces of Striker, and high-end for the chest (or striker chest and highend on gloves or knees or holster).
the latter build is only for stuff like Incursions though, where enemies have super high health pools.

the high-end should probably be a Ceska piece, since it gives some free crit chance and that lets your other bits have more crit damage.

don't worry, it gets easier over time to understand it.

[elder pewter]

Yeah it’s all about finding one you really like and seeing what works! Experiment with different options! But can’t go wrong with a striker build!

[tawdry sequoia]

Thinking of doing a Sticky bomb/Seeker mine build, how much skill haste do i need?

[shy willow]

As much as you can fit in

[sudden ravine]

Im using elmos is this okay? Chest has unbreakable

[hazy steeple]

Elmo's is great! Unbreakable is a good choice, for DPS you probably wanna go for Obliterate but Unbreakable is good if you need the tank.

Just make sure your CHC (crit chance) is between 50 and 55%, no higher and no lower. CHD (crit damage) should be over 100%.

[sudden ravine]

CHC is 50 and CHD is 140

[hazy steeple]

Ooh very nice.

[wise swallow]

3 blue is a little squishy tbh.

[sudden ravine]

1.3 mil armor is squishy?

[wise swallow]

for you pistol use something with finisher

[wise swallow]

PVP context yea its on the softer end

[sudden ravine]

I could switch coyote with cath?

[wise swallow]

no just add more blue cores on your gear

ik the chest is gonna be hard so 4 blue cores for now is fine

[shy willow]

Roll the holster to blue and it should be fine

[wise swallow]

i like to be tankier with striker because it does take a minute to stack it and id prefer to have more breathing room while stacking

[hazy steeple]

Wait this is for PvP?

[wise swallow]

yea

[wise swallow]

Elmo also needs to be stacked

[sudden ravine]

I mostly do pvp n countdown haha

But Elmo is pratically stacked

[wise swallow]

i hate you for using elmo but its an amazing gun when its talent is active lol

[sudden ravine]

I’ve never used it actually haha

I just get rolled so I wanna make a build with it

[wise swallow]

for the most part, PVP builds and PVE builds dont really cross over

[sudden ravine]

Ahh okay

[wise swallow]

survivability in PVP matters quite a lot, PVE its kinda meh (on a DPS build)

[wise swallow]

very cheesy AR lol

[glossy scarab]

better off with a faster rpm gun like famas if ur stacking strikers

[wise swallow]

as a secondary yea use famas or another AR. Elmo aint that much slower and if you can start a fight with Elmo procced (and striker fully stacked) your gonnna have a massive advantage

ofc assuming they arent brining shock res/haz pro/cavalier

[sudden ravine]

Ok

[hushed gorge]

Is System Corruption op now on the PTS?

[shy willow]

I highly doubt it

[rich cosmos]

I mean doesn’t it currently have an issue with accidentally pairing with the new armor kit uses

[hexed steppe]

technically, but i doubt thats gonna be a gamechanger since everything else about the gear is meh.

ig kvd putting out an sc gonna be meta video has far reach 😂

[shy willow]

Oh god not him😭

[hollow pasture]

Lemme see smth

Oh look there it is

Who would've thought

First time I've seen a shd 15 with a FI build

Even if it's a less than optimal one

[slate nest]

yellooooowwww

[devout iris]

What talent should I put on my ump 45 for my hunters fury build

[tawdry flare]

NGL that is not that bad for shd 15

[tawdry flare]

You should use mpx On HF cause it is better than Ump 45 but the talent would be starined killer fast hands

[hollow pasture]

I was gonna say if using ump you'd use perfect strained but that's a pp 19 not a ump

[tawdry flare]

I don't think we have another perfect strained except for pp19

[hollow pasture]

Yea ik

I confused the ump with the pp 19

[hexed steppe]

If it has a long underbarrel and you use tech class (free shield tier/linked laser) then I would use flatline.
Otherwise strained or fasthands

[devout iris]

Ok, and also get a mod here cause someone posted themselves naked in the #divashion here as well in #fanart-and-photomode

[hexed steppe]

XD something new daily

[devout iris]

Well we got a nsfw bot so

[acoustic coral]

Damn. It's clearly a bot, but

[devout iris]

And we only got Juh here as the only moderator

Update: The nsfw bot is gone

[acoustic coral]

It was good while it lasted

[void jasper]

is there huge difference between these

[hushed gorge]

Bro showcased some builds by playing on Story difficulty

[crisp cypress]

Opinions on this build and what backpack to use that can be rolled to opportunistic?

[gentle lichen]

Very reminiscent of this cd build

100% disrupt resist for hunters as well

The bag is the setup which is perfect opportunistic

Their skill choice though is more directed for vile and damage stuff

[hexed steppe]

I recognize that work of art 🍻

[hexed steppe]

setup blueprint may still be available from heroic control point yellow cache that unlocks

If it is it's much easier to craft the right stats rather than farm it.
Notable replacement would be eletrique or hanna u depending if priority is status or haste

Hazpro rolls would be status rolls if not for countdown

all the scorpio/foam cc

• 40% sledge debuff,
  +20% scorpio amp debuff ,
  +15% opportunistic amp debuff,
  +10% survivalist increased damage against status

[hushed saddle]

Hello! Where can I get the assault rifle capacitor?

[shy willow]

The summit

[hushed gorge]

Is pts Over?

[hushed saddle]

Ty!

[acoustic coral]

ended an hour ago

[gentle lichen]

I see good build. I recommend good build.

[hexed steppe]

No doubt. Always appreciated 🍻

[dull ermine]

Not huge but as far as vectors go

Tac vector (39 mag) > vector .45 > vector 9mm

Higher burst damage in that order, also due to the nature of needing multiple mags the shorter mag can be more beneficial making more effective use of cover but that’s just my opinion

[shy willow]

I've always used the .45 personally

[void jasper]

i use 45. since i have it maxed

[plucky hull]

The FAL needs a 30 round magazine

[tired raft]

strike 4p, coyote + ceska (what talent i need to look on ceska?)
guns elmo and ouro

[tepid trout]

Depends

Raid/incursion it shouldn't have a talent since you're running striker chest or bag

[glossy scarab]

Typically obliterate

[tepid trout]

Open world unbreakable or obliterate

[tired raft]

also does slot type matter for ceska?

[glossy scarab]

You can only get that talent on a chest

[tired raft]

thanks all

[glossy scarab]

What are you doing anyway. Why am I telling you stuff you almost certainly already know. U been around too long

[tired raft]

i dont play often :)

[glossy scarab]

Ah

More lurking than learning I see. Fair choice

Just kiddinggg. I dont care if ppl are here to learn

[tired raft]

@glossy scarab i have thoughts, maybe not ceska but sombra?

cc 60% already

[acoustic coral]

He clearly can't connect to the division servers, down for maintenance

[tired raft]

oh right, 60cc only with ouro .. forgot it give 21%

[glossy scarab]

You can use grupo yes

Or walker n Harris. Or fenris if u want

Or sokolov if it's an smg

[hexed steppe]

If it's on striker, ceska allows you to shuffle around rolls and can net you a higher chd overall over equivelant setup with grupo.

[glossy scarab]

Oh my bad I was just wondering about the fact that they've been here for a bunch of years and I sort of expected he'd know what's pretty the most popular build in the game right now

[hexed steppe]

You should inspect some high shd agents , you would be quite surprised at some of the subpar stuff running around on 6k-10k agents builds

[glossy scarab]

I gotta do that more. I only check countdown teams

[tired raft]

hm right i can switch cc to crit dmg on other items

[hexed steppe]

I'm always matchmaking and backup calls so just kinda swap to different builds as need.

[flint wave]

I remember joining a backup call and ended up in hard federal emergency bunker with 2 shd 3ks. I stopped playing for one room and they both managed to wipe

[shy willow]

What on earth

[flint wave]

literally carrying children

[acoustic coral]

His name is MIKE-01 which means servers down for maintenance (most of the time) ^^

[glossy scarab]

Maybe ppl who got some shd lvls from xp farms

[hexed steppe]

So like say ceska/max watch/st elmo/ and normal 2 secondary chc rolls on highend/coyote will have you sitting at 52chc with everything else being able to be chd

[shy willow]

A better metric is probably commendation score

[glossy scarab]

Ohhhhhh I totally misunderstood your post. Yeah I'm aware of Mike 01

[acoustic coral]

Haha, all good

[vapid bobcat]

hi guys whats a good striker build for legendary? ty!

[hexed steppe]

It's hard to judge someone other than running with them. I been in plenty high level groups needing carry, low level groups fckin shit up, and everything in between.

[shy willow]

True true

[tulip charm]

The same ceska chest, coyote mask, 4p striker

[tired raft]

i dont see problems with high shd wiping out, happens with everyone.
unlucky spawn behind your back etc

[glossy scarab]

On hard though?

[river ember]

Would have to be a freak accident but it could happen

[shy willow]

It's really hard to die on hard unless you're just not playing the game

Bad luck sure but two of them

[river ember]

If you mindlessly run into suicide vests or a couple gunners I guess

[tired raft]

there close range builds, and suicide cleaners can easy wipe you on spawn

[flint wave]

build issue

[glossy scarab]

Probably

[flint wave]

I inspected them for a brief moment and I saw an all gearset build and a weird looking Ortiz exuro

[hexed steppe]

They backup calls for a reason 😂
Doesnt bother me as long as I get my endorse

[tired raft]

there also many different playstyles.
many ppl just sit patiently and wait for enemies

other ppl rush to enemy

[vapid bobcat]

ayt ty boss!

[hexed steppe]

I'm just shy of shepherd* 40 with 2 weeks left

[glossy scarab]

You can hit 50 easy

[hexed steppe]

That's the goal. Itll be close

[glossy scarab]

I did it not realizing there's no lvl 50 reward

Then I felt dumb

[hexed steppe]

Had 3 back to back before work today that were all real quick

Tuesday rolls around and a bunch will come in for invaded stuff

[granite girder]

In sync+combined arms+rank 5 striker drone=stonks

[shy willow]

Harmony/test subject are great on skill builds

As is force multiplier

[tired ravine]

What are all the darkzone exclusive brand sets

[gentle lichen]

Yaahl gear and system corruption

[hollow pasture]

You can technically get them from legacy season caches I believe but yea

[violet lynx]

what's wrong with my build :(

[hollow pasture]

Ur low shd so it being a tank build is fine

What did they bash ur build for

Anything specific

[violet lynx]

not specific, maybe I'm just being a little too fragile but I was talking about the recruiter boss fight and how I thought it was bad personally, then someone here (not saying they bashed me, I think they are nice) said "is it foundry bulwark" and someone in-game said "looking at your build, didn't expect anything less"

[onyx sage]

couple of problems straight off the bat:

1. foundry is a selfish gearset. it only gives you survivability and only for you, and nothing else. and in hard content, unless you hyperfocus on that, you won't be able to live. but if you don't care about that, that's completely fine. in group content, people will express their dissatisfaction because they expect team synergy or damage output, and this build gives neither, but in solo content you'd be fine.
2. memento gives lots of buffs for a single gear piece but it requires kills, and with foundry you're not going to get much damage to get kills going, so it's rather a wasted piece

[violet lynx]

I made this build well over a year or two ago, and it really works, lacks in damage of course but it gets the job done

[violet lynx]

I see, but with my playstyle, I can tank damage for other people in legendaries

so in solo heroics of course I only care about myself cause I am the only one in my party but when I'm grouped I actively try to get agro so they shoot me while other people do the damage

but yeah memento doesn't really work well when I'm in a group

[onyx sage]

tanks don't really work in div2 unless you go hybrid in a way where you also buff their armor. you can't take aggro in this game

[violet lynx]

oh you can't? damn.

[hollow pasture]

So for a tank right
You want tardigrade or pointman (perfect vanguard as ur chest talent) for more team help

[violet lynx]

I see

yeah it is time for a new tank build then

I'll keep this current build for when I'm soloing stuff cause I still think it works really well

[onyx sage]

well, technically you CAN take aggro but it's not with armor. you can use decoy or emp sticky but neither of those require armor

[violet lynx]

I just ran at people and shot them while right in front of them so they tried shooting me

[onyx sage]

and certainly doesn't require you to stand near enemies to grab their attention

[worthy kraken]

most in-game people bash on any build that is not specifically either Striker's or pure dmg, as long as you look at the broad selection of builds, know the playstyle they require and intend to play that way, you should be good mostly

[onyx sage]

that falls off in stronger groups where people will deal more damage, and NPCs focus on the "biggest threat", and it's not always going to be the dude nearest to them. it's going to be the dude dealing the most damage

[violet lynx]

I see

[onyx sage]

there will be scenarios where you're standing right next to them doing all sorts of things to grab their attention and the NPC is still going to nade the dps role in narnia and they die

[violet lynx]

okay, I'll work on a new tank build focused on helping others in my group then

[hollow pasture]

When ur standing right next to the enemy and they just walk by you while shooting at you to ur dps

[violet lynx]

thanks everyone ❤️

[onyx sage]

you can use a vanguard chest to buff teammates' armor

galvanize backpack as well

[violet lynx]

are there websites where I can find tank builds, or any builds?

[onyx sage]

but then you'd need to use scorpio and switch off of bulwark

pinned in this channel is a spreadsheet, a gold mine for you

[violet lynx]

I'm fine with that, as long as I'm a support/tank player

I personally prefer not dying over killing people in games

[onyx sage]

those two aren't mutually exclusive

[violet lynx]

even better then!

[onyx sage]

you can do dps hybrids where you put in more tankiness and still have damage

[violet lynx]

one last thing, how do I navigate the spreadsheet? I won't lie I'm a bit confused

[onyx sage]

everything you need is mostly in the Hub (Builds) tab

[violet lynx]

I am there at the moment

[onyx sage]

look at the Red, Yellow and Blue categories

[hollow pasture]

The spreadsheet is a bit weird on mobile if ur using that

But on pc it's pretty straightforward

[violet lynx]

okay found a tank build, again, thanks everyone for your help

[acoustic coral]

So nice when the community comes together

[worthy kraken]

how is the state of sniping gameplay rn?

not the builds, just the way it works

I can't seem to wrap my head around the bullet air-time

[onyx sage]

it's hitscan

there is no airtime

your bullet always flies straight

[worthy kraken]

I seem to be horrendous at aiming then

good t'know

[solemn parrot]

I can't hit headshots to save my life.

You can adjust mouse sensitivity when scoped though, which may help if you're having issues.

[worthy kraken]

it's more that I was trying to calculate when the bullet will hit a running target and how the hitboxes for the head area are

[onyx sage]

if the moment you shoot you were aiming at the head, you will hit the head. there's no bullet physics in this game

[hazy steeple]

It may not be just you, as there is some sway to your shots unless your Stability is at 100% on MMR's.
It's why Hotshot is so popular.

I tested it out recently and once Determined is procced, you can blind cover fire with an MMR and still hit them. Which is a lot of fun.

[worthy kraken]

glad to hear I'm still redeemable regarding my reflexes

and makes sense yeah, stability is a stat in-game

[hazy steeple]

It doesn't seem to do that with other guns, but that's div2 for you. Full of quirks.

[cedar tapir]

determined is great for solo open world

love it

[worthy kraken]

the talk before reminds me: would it be more beneficial for a team if a person was a tank/support hybrid or pure support?

by support, I mean any support be it giving armor/dmg or healing or maybe those two are the same

[cedar tapir]

support

tank useless, pretty much

Maybe try a future initiative build with opportunistic

If you haven't already

[hexed steppe]

Cc eclipse is also very useful support.

[worthy kraken]

yup, was writing it at the same moment I was looking through the spreadsheet

I'm really not sure on what path I wanna go

a skill build, support, pure dps...

[cedar tapir]

EP is ez to farm

Vile might take a bit if you want it

[hexed steppe]

Just weigh what you'll be giving to the group against what you'll be taking away.
When not dps you are taking a significant source of damage off the table.
Cc eclipse with opportunistic you stick everything to the ground and give a damage buff.

Future initiative gives a significant damage buff and can repair.

Both are strong options

[flint wave]

Tank support hybrids like ongoing directive or true patriot are good tanks

[hexed steppe]

Dont worry about vile on cc eclipse though

Tank outside of raid is more drain on team than anything though

[cedar tapir]

The other day I pld countdown with 3 tanks

disaster

they got wiped when we got to the rogues

[agile galleon]

I just came back after about a year-ish. I’m rocking the Heartless/Memento/Shield/LMG/Shotgun build. Is that still decent or is it crap? Looking for top tier builds to work towards. I have a lot of exotics to find, I think.

[flint wave]

how are people still confusing hunters with rogue agents👴

[worthy kraken]

the lore department is in shambles

[worthy kraken]

pinned messages of this channel has a google doc sheet that has builds on them, good idea to start there

[agile galleon]

Thank you! New to this Discord so finding my way around.

[worthy kraken]

np, when you open the doc, you can see the page for builds at the upper right corner

[agile galleon]

The spreadsheet is from 2020. I’m assuming it’s being updated continually?

[worthy kraken]

should be as it is credited here a lot

[agile galleon]

Sick. I’ll take a look when I get to my PC. Appreciate it

[onyx sage]

the changelog is on the first page. most builds are staples so there's no need to update them unless there's a new interaction or rework

[hexed steppe]

Yes every season release its appropriately updated to reflect top of each category

[cedar tapir]

😆

[bold lance]

Was memento nerfed and doesn’t heal anymore ? Or is it just bugged out when running the no self regenerating armour directive

[hazy steeple]

If you swap weapons whilst your armour is low with that Directive on, it regenerates it.

no idea about Memento though.

[onyx sage]

armor regen just doesn't work out of combat if no regen is on

[patent fossil]

if you have the no regen directive active, memento only regens you during combat (but out of combat you can just swap weapons for instant regen)

memento does occasionally also bug out though, long-term stacks don't appear to expire but don't actually give any bonus

[cinder gazelle]

Did they at least give you vanguard?🤣🤣🤣

[cursive barn]

For the backfire build in the spreadsheet, if you are low shd level, could you swap out 1 yaahl and one sokolov and replace with cavalier? Sure, its gonna be less dps, but at least its runnable

nvm, bleed res mods are better

[muted hare]

Hey guys so I made some adjustments to my build buttt I want to get some advice and things to see what I can improve on, the only thing I do seek it’s to improve my damage

I still yet to get a good roll for a ceska but I nailed a decent 5.11

[hazy steeple]

Changing a 5.11 to that ceska will be a fairly hefty boost to your overall DPS, although that being said the lack of a stack-building gun is also hurting it quite a lot.
Basically, the blue rolls on the Striker gear says to me that you are far from done, but you are certainly on your way there. Keep going Agent, you got this

[hexed steppe]

elmo is fine for building/maintaining stacks.

[rocky blade]

Here is my current dps build, it ain't much but it's something

[bright raptor]

replace the Heartbreaker mask with a Sombra mask or Coyote's and it's a strong start

[rocky blade]

I did that for a time but i haven't set in stone yet, and i was possibly thinking on adding the gift to this build

[hexed steppe]

also add m1a as secondary

better with nego bag, if needing more single target damage just use a striker build

[hexed steppe]

with the right rolls/better mask you should be hitting a lot higher chd. watch is still building but 112 is really low for holding lady death. might make sure youre not over 60chc cap

[rocky blade]

I was also thinking on trying to obtain st elmo's engine

[hexed steppe]

this is how mine is set. nego is a really good set. definitely shoot for st elmo, famas, carbine7, police m4 as main. elmo will give best stats, famas will be highest possible damage until damage updates in feb

[shy willow]

Mines set up identically except I just have diamondback and a police m4 w flatline

[hexed steppe]

that diamondback about to be singing in about 8hrs 💯
golden bullet FTW!

[shy willow]

Love me some golden bullets

It'll be interesting to see if Hollywood and all that become good after resolve

[hexed steppe]

yeah should be a lot of good improvements to the GEs. im already a fan of hollywood since i main mortar a lot anyways 😎

this been my bread and butter lately

[shy willow]

I've been meaning to put one together for a while but the best I can do is seeker spam lol

Damn unicorn grupo pieces never drop

[hexed steppe]

btsu makes it so good, even on coolskills

yeah just 3 empress. itll still be really good

i do reccomend force multiplier. its 5-10% more tsd than the normal goto. and just need to 1tap something before mortar hits to have that procced

to most its inconvenient but 1tap and in sync/pca procced, its been good to me using it like that

[shy willow]

I was thinking strategic alignment but I think I have a good force multiplier somewhere

[hexed steppe]

yeah alignment is good and a lot do use for the uptime. still needs a status to proc so first hit wont benefit, same with tech support needing a kill

[hollow pasture]

Muffled in the stash

[shy willow]

I always thought the mortar bled enemies it hit

[hexed steppe]

it does but the tsd doent proc till status is applied, after the explosion happens

[shy willow]

Ah so you’ve gotta get a hit in before proc I seee

[hexed steppe]

a fully procced cap/pca on an overcharged mortar in my setup will hit around 11mil iirc

but that oc is nice for bringing the mortar back off cooldown instantly or killing the cooldown on teamates revive hives

im always in a team so i look for double duty type of items

[shy willow]

Big number damn

[hexed steppe]

you should be able to get pretty high with 3 empress, hanna china btsu. can also just 3 empress, 2 wyvern, china. its hard to mess up a mortar build. just make sure to cap/in sync shotgun since both have 12%dta thatll help the hits. mop is good for the aok 😉

contractors the meta gloves for it btw, but btsu too good for how i use the build

[sand escarp]

havent really played in a long time and trying to get back in the game, dps build i got im just really wondering ways to improve upon it and try to generally understand build diversity more.

[hexed steppe]

still viable as is. blue attribute on chest can change though.
sacrifice chest then grupo to a different providence spot would be a little more damage for highend.

goto dps atm is striker. it has the highest single target damage .

check the pins in this channel for a spreadsheet with a lot of builds

welcome back agent

[sand escarp]

ty 😄

[brisk barn]

I have the pieces…I just need to optimise them 100 times 🫠

It’s either they don’t drop or they drop with minimum everything

[long marlin]

back in div 2 finally whats the go with dps builds is it still along the lines of oreo strikers with 1pc grupo

[ruby ingot]

If you're running St Elmo and nothing else, you can run either Fenris or Grupo chest with CHC and CHD, Obliterate talent

[tulip charm]

Ceska is still better in gearset that are crit starved.

[flint wave]

It depends on how many blues ur running. At 3 blues fenris can hit slightly higher numbers then ceska

[tulip charm]

I want that numbers since I find it interesting

[vestal atlas]

got me interested aswell to that claim, and as expected only if you regard it as 100% headshot rate, at a more realistic 20% hsd rate it doesnt hold true at all,
and that is even before grading to 20 because then only at 6b will fenris beat ceska and only if you apply hsd at 100%, which you really shouldnt.
ceska over grupo and fenris should still be the recommendation for a elmo striker.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19xSuU9aqpXIShthyeQRtNPeqnUO2P8g4H8X460ZpTss

[tulip charm]

❤️

[ruby ingot]

It's really up to you, if you wear Ceska, you can min-max to 57% CHC with 161% CHD, if you wear Grupo instead, you can min-max to exactly 60% CHC with 152% CHD

Keep in mind this is in relation to St Elmo only because it has that 20% CHC mod

[acoustic coral]

While we're on that topic, several of the evernotes mentions the following formula:
CHC1 x CHD1 = X
CHC2 x CHD2 = Y

But I never understood what to exactly multiply.
In the example above for example:
1x) 60 * 152 = 9.120
1y) 57 * 161 = 9.177
alternatively
2x) 0,6 * 2,52 = 1,512 (0,6 of the times you do 2,52 your normal damage, averaging a 1,512x increase)
2y) 0,57 * 2,61 = 1,4877

[tawdry flare]

Usually we multiply CHC X CHD to get effective multiplier which takes the relationship between CHC and CHD in account

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, I'm just unsure what to input from the example to actually calculate the effective multiplier.

[tawdry flare]

Like above your message we have 57 CHC and 161 CHD and 2nd 60CHC and 152 CHD by multiplying both we get approximate of which will net more DMG

[acoustic coral]

Yes, but can you show me the math.
Which one of my calculations is correct?

[tawdry flare]

1st one you include 100% base chd out of nowhere in 2nd

It should have been 60* 152 or 0.6* 1.52 not 0.6* 2.52

[blissful inlet]

I need build for raid

[tawdry flare]

Check the pinned spreadsheet

[acoustic coral]

Reason for the added 1 in the second calculation is you do 100% base damage, then your crit is 152% on top of that.
Every shot I deal 1x damage. With exactly 100% CHD, you would deal 2x damage on a crit.
Which is why I calculate the effective multiplier as 0,60 * 2,52

[tawdry flare]

Base DMG and crit dmg are multiplicative with each other

[tawdry flare]

True but you have to take in the chance to crit too also headshot is additive with crit

Base DMG multiplier is called awd

[tawdry flare]

Ahh you are calculating from base my bad misunderstood you

You can use it too tbh

[acoustic coral]

I love how I can see you mathing my math in real time with the messages haha!
My confusion comes as the two examples I give has opposite results. My understanding of statistics say the second version is correct, but I do not have enough understanding of the game to know how it should be calculated.

[tawdry flare]

The statistics show be either 1 is higher than the 2 and both shows same result with 57% and 161% doing more than 57%/152%

[acoustic coral]

1y is highest with the straight up number multiplication, which my gut feeling says is wrong.
2x is highest with the percentage calculation.

[hollow pasture]

Keep?

[tawdry flare]

Wait did I just mistook numbers

[tawdry flare]

Might come in handy for 321 build

[hollow pasture]

Legendary matchmaking

[gentle lichen]

Solo is a good thing you know

[tulip charm]

I run 52/173 which gets bumped to 60/183 from coyotes’ mid buff. Just feel like you’re underestimating 10% CHC from ceska. Btw elmo provides additional 5% CHC compared to a typical famas, m4, c7 (Ignoring the fact elmo provides other stats/bonus). ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby ingot]

Up to you, but at close quarters, you'll still be at 52% CHC, I personally only fight targets at close quarters, so seems everyone else, I only play Countdown & PvP though

[crisp cypress]

Perfect Glass Cannon or Kinetic Momentum to go with tech support?

[tulip charm]

Gc for max damage kinetic if you cant handle gc

[hexed steppe]

If you proc close buff most of the time, just run another chc mod itll most likely help your off weapon as well

[crisp cypress]

mmm which one is more suited for afk and being lazy lol

[tulip charm]

Try gc and if you die alot just go kinetic

[ruby ingot]

What do you mean run another CHC mod?

[hexed steppe]

Glass 💯 always glass

[ruby ingot]

If you're gonna min-max CHC, Ceska is best in slot

[hexed steppe]

If at 52% chc and close range buff most of the time

[hexed steppe]

Usually always bis for something like striker

[worthy kraken]

I'm a tad bit confused: in a strikers build, are shotguns for building stacks and other primary for spending or vice versa? or can they both be used interchangeably?

[shy willow]

Shotguns for building stacks and your AR or whatever you run for DPSing and maintaining them

Although if you use a lefty or rock and roll or any ACS-12 they do good DPS themselves and they stack very fast

[bold lance]

Is the FI healing DPS hybrid build good for higher level content or would it be best to just invest into a full heal

[muted hare]

It’s more for survivability bc for some odd reason when I’m running heroic the NPCs teleport near me and start throwing their mags at me

[hexed steppe]

511 does very little for survivability. Something that boosts armor or armor regen would outclass 511.

You could also use gunner spec to get 10%armor on kill

[tulip charm]

No just stay fi healer

[muted hare]

True true I was running a striker chest and I was farming for a ceska chest but I was getting bad rolls but while I was doing it I nailed a 5.11 with a decent roll not the best with dps but it did increase my armor and health at the cost of 6k of my over all dps but I was talking about my other parts for striker cause I have blue cores on them instead of red cause I’m trying to find a build where I can deal pretty good damage while I am sitting around 1 Mil armor

@hexed steppe

It’s a lot harder to know what rolls is good and bad when you are new to the game ( I’m a noob) but I think I’m getting the hang of it?

[tulip charm]

Correct roll > high/god roll

Also ceska gives such a significant dps boost especially for striker and your shd its kinda mandatory

[muted hare]

Wym my SHD is mandatory?

Is that the watch?

[tulip charm]

I mean due to your low shd you’re missing that 10% chc

[muted hare]

Ohhh wait it makes that big of a difference?

I thought it was a very small percentage that affects yours over all stats when building

[hexed steppe]

So the 511 health bonus scales with health . total armor , armor regen, or armor on kill all scale with the blue cores and offer more bang for the buck.
By all means use what you have until better pieces drop. Wasnt a dig, just a bit of info

[muted hare]

Ohhhh ok ok I understand now

[hexed steppe]

Keep an eye out for memento as well. It's kinda big on survivability stats while still maintaining some damage buffs.

[tulip charm]

In a crit dps build for you would take up 2 mod slots or attributes

[acoustic coral]

I decided to dive into it a bit more, hope this can help people out. (Unsure how high you can go CHD wise)

[muted hare]

@hexed steppe is that a talent?

[urban latch]

each pellet that lands will build a stack, which is why the ACS-12 specifically is so good on strikers since its RPM is far higher than other shotguns. it will build stacks far faster than any other weapon, even the ouroboros

[muted hare]

Oh wait that’s a gear piece

[hexed steppe]

memento is exotic bag . comes with all 3 cores

[muted hare]

Oh nvm💀💀

I’m sorry Chief I’m new to the game entirely

Interesting so if I got that bag it would be better then coyotes mask?

[tulip charm]

Good for solo not so much in group

Also depends if you want raw dps or utility

[hexed steppe]

not stronger in dps, memento is a compromise on damage for a bunch of other stuff

[muted hare]

Ah ok

[shy willow]

It's the jack of all trades ninja thinks it is

[hexed steppe]

regen is self explanatory. skill efficiency is % in all skill buckets so makes for pretty decent skills on all red.

[ocean kayak]

If I want some survivability on my strikers build(getting absolutely smacked in two hits on heroic and forget about soloing legendaries) do I just add blue cores to gear until I notice I'm dying less?

[worthy kraken]

thats what I was thinking about it, since I didn't really know if it shot multiple or one for multiple numbers

now that I read again, seems more understandable it's the way in-game

[shy willow]

It may be your playstyle

If you're struggling with survivability try running a crusader shield and/or a revive hive to help keep you up

The trick is killing things before they can kill you

The shield is only meant to buy you time not tank

[ocean kayak]

Dang so I just suck then 😂

I did run shield a while but it gets immediately shot and I'm dazed and die

That's even with hiding halfway around walls and such so they can barely see me

I noticed people on YT doing that

[flint wave]

Yes you can but don't run more than 3 blue cores generally

that's when you'll notice big damage differences

[shy willow]

If the shield doesn't do it then use memento

In conjunction with the shield

[vestal atlas]

even solo ceska+coyote beats out any other option in both 0-15 and 15-25, and only at 25+ does it lose out, and seeing as you should mostly be under 25 it is the way to go,
and the +20chd mod is offcourse allready accounted for, a much more acceptable factor to bring up would be strained on the weapon, but that is not a factor with elmo,
you didnt even have ceska in your recommendation along side the 2 worse choices you did recommend.

[ocean kayak]

I thought I read somewhere the bag is an absolute must on strikers though 🤔

[shy willow]

In groups certainly

In solo you can afford to drop it

Memento long term buffs and 2 free shield tiers make up for it

Even short term buffs if you can keep em coming

[vestal atlas]

the thing is that it doesnt matter, aslong as you do both calculations in the same way, can be 60 x 170, 0.6 x 1.70 or 0.6 x 170, its only about the bigger number winning

[ocean kayak]

Alright I'll try it out, thanks!

[ocean kayak]

I'll try and find some pieces with crit damage as the 2nd so I can change the gear to armors and see if im still struggling, thanks!

[shy willow]

Careful you don't drop under 50 percent crit chance otherwise go ham

[ocean kayak]

I'll make sure! The Coyote mask has helped a lot and I'm still working on getting the SHD one to the full 10%

[onyx sage]

no, to factor in the 100% with non-crit you would do 1 + chc × chd. you don't add 100% to chd for that

[cyan drift]

Rare Campus Vendor W

-sort of

[flint wave]

nah

breadbasket is L

[cyan drift]

I mean, out of all the things she normally sells...?

the only bummer is no dtooc

-because then you have to either reroll health damage, or breadbasket

This is a great week to collect snipers and make DPS builds from vendors though

Ekim's, Commando, and White Death all on sale from LZ vendors. Foxes Prayer at the Theater (with Health, rip), and CHC Conctactor's from the countdown vendor

[flint wave]

chc contractor gonna make the potential pvpers happy

[cyan drift]

There's a dtooc white death at DZ east 🤣

[austere hornet]

Hi Im nieuw and want to use a skill build for the first time are there any armore/weapons I need to farm to make the build?

[cyan drift]

you'll definitely need one of these

I think you can still get it from Summit challenges

[austere hornet]

I think I have 3 of them in my box

[cyan drift]

Well, mission accomplished then

[flint wave]

deconstruct two of them

[worthy kraken]

my dropped White Death laughs in the face of a puny merchant

[austere hornet]

What armore from the skill should I use for my drone and turret?

[worthy kraken]

btw consistent headshots are hard as hell lol

[flint wave]

good thing we have determined

[cyan drift]

depends on if you want to use a gear set or not (with drone/turret probably not)

[worthy kraken]

thats a saver, tho recommended Ranger is making my feelings hurty hurty

[cyan drift]

with brand sets, probably 3x empress, 1x wyvern, and the waveform holster

[austere hornet]

Are there any good gear sets for skill then

[flint wave]

waveform mid use 2pc Hana u or memento

[worthy kraken]

there is a google doc pinned in this channel with the exact build youre looking for

very good source

[cyan drift]

people used to use rigger but stopped, becuase the best piece was the backpack, and there's way too many good backpack talents for skills

hard wired is fun for spamming skills, which won't be happening with turret/drone

[flint wave]

hard wired seeker feels like I'm throwing a bunch of bath bombs

[cyan drift]

that leaves eclipse protocol, which is exclusively for status effects

[flint wave]

lots of boom no damage

[cyan drift]

oh right, I forget ortiz is yellow by default as well

ortiz is funny but completely useless anywhere open

[austere hornet]

I see

[cyan drift]

I would say 3x empress and a waveform holster

[flint wave]

All that gearset needed was alot of skill haste

Imo

[cyan drift]

then either a wyvern backpack with combined arms, or a force multiplier (which is hana-u)

[austere hornet]

And for the last slot?

[cyan drift]

waveform holster seems to be what everyone uses

I dunno how much of a difference it really makes though, I never use it

[flint wave]

waveform is fine but I don't like it over 2nd hana

[hexed steppe]

It's about 5%

[cyan drift]

yeah so maybe 2x hana or 1x hana 1x wyvern

[hexed steppe]

All highend more consistent since damage shifts

[flint wave]

Yeah I'd like my striker drone not lose 30% damage randomly

[cyan drift]

or just be me and gamble with your life by bringing calculated and skilled on hard wired 🤣

[hexed steppe]

I would 3 empress, wyvern, force multiplier (hanna) ,sacrifice perfect glass

[cyan drift]

-which means farming for an all-yellow sacrifice. Might take a while, might not, depends on how the wind blows.

[hexed steppe]

No. If you use tech class you dont need to reroll core

[cyan drift]

trueeee

I use technician for the extra skill tier so often that I forget it even has one

[hexed steppe]

That extra 5% amp can go a long way

Pca acting as a 30% amp too since only source in build for tsd

[round zinc]

iirc with pts1 hana u,its better than waveform

[cyan drift]

empress is getting buffed as well right? to 20%?

[hexed steppe]

That would be epic. Are they buffing grupo explosive?

[cyan drift]

ye

I think only to 20% though, but still

[hexed steppe]

🦄 grupo mortar ftw

[cyan drift]

me who already has an all yellow build with 2x grupo 😏

[hexed steppe]

Same

[flint wave]

same

never use it but it will always be in my loadouts

[round zinc]

ong same bestie

[hexed steppe]

I main that build so much

[patent fossil]

They reverted empress and hana-u buffs in pts2

[round zinc]

no reason given too btw

cant wait for pts 3 to somehow be worse

[flint wave]

they are not locked in on gear buffs are they

next thing I know is the health buffs are gonna be reverted

[cyan drift]

this is the build I have 2x yellow grupo on

[round zinc]

3.1 mil health is some wack ass build for pvp nerds

[cyan drift]

it's a hot mess, but at least it's not a cold mess

[patent fossil]

Probably because they realised everyone uses those sets for skills already so buffing them won't actually create more build variety

[flint wave]

I thought of it as a minor buff to turret drone*

[round zinc]

fair but then again skills are inherently “bad”

skill builds are used only for healer and CC

[cyan drift]

people bringing 2x brazos and a ninjabike bp on DPS builds 🤣

[round zinc]

they’re good there

but thats it

[round zinc]

ok but next TU you can have 85 round ouroboros striker

[flint wave]

name a better duo then ninjabike BP and picaros holster (impossible)

[hexed steppe]

Ninjabike knee + bulletking

[round zinc]

probably because picaro ninjabag is the only “good” combination out there

like 2 on every core with just 2 pieces of armor on surface level sounds really good

noob bait but hey if it works it works

[cyan drift]

exactly

97 with TP

98 from non-empty reload

but you never can get to 100

[round zinc]

the reload is like 1.4s or something

using striker chest sounds like a valid strategy here lol

[flint wave]

but how

[round zinc]

98 round ouroboros

[cyan drift]

I didn't get to try it but chatterbox umbra sounds enticing

unfortuantely there's basically no reason to use the chatterbox though, since ouro exists

[patent fossil]

No reload

Dunno why but I just love the Chatterbox no reload thing, like somehow reloading is mildly stressful or something

[cyan drift]

that's why I hate using it

[patent fossil]

( never bothered with bk though)

[cyan drift]

like, it can be hilariously amazing, but then you accidentally hit R

and mentally beat yourself up

[patent fossil]

Gameplay habits can be relearned, although I did once lose a lvl 40 HC character due to messing up a Chatterbox reload

[flint wave]

But the rof buff 😔

[hexed steppe]

Until resolve drops...

[cyan drift]

are they buffing chatterbox?

[hexed steppe]

Can roll dttooc on it

I guess itll be a lot closer than currently

[patent fossil]

I did manage to hit over 1m crits with Chatterbox on the pts (hf+memento+intimidate all stacked up, dtooc and exp 25 on the weapon)

With its rof that's not a bad damage output, solo so no group buffs

[pearl carbon]

They buffing chain killer white death determined builds?

[hexed steppe]

No

White death isnt getting love

[pearl carbon]

Dam that's poop don't say there nerfing it?

[patent fossil]

They're buffing other mmrs to be better than WD though

No nerfs

[flint wave]

no base weapon nerfs in my update srry

[pearl carbon]

Okay that's goof then

Good*

So what will be the best mmr for determined chainkiller

[patent fossil]

Buff to hapsburg though if you can farm those unicorn pieces

[woven pewter]

Carbon m700 i bet.

[cyan drift]

I was gonna say, the full-reload M700 instead of the wooden one

[flint wave]

habs buff was useless

[pearl carbon]

Will it have more headshot dmg?

[woven pewter]

No, just more base dmg and an optimal range.

[patent fossil]

Model 700 for top damage, m700 for almost as good + better usability I think

[cyan drift]

Model 700 if you want to die while reloading

not from enemies

just old age

[pearl carbon]

That will be great for a 1 tap crit build for a sniper but I'm in the determined headshots

[hexed steppe]

I'll probably still use wd. 28mil is enough 😂

[patent fossil]

Hotshot though

[pearl carbon]

Yeah true that's what I'm thinking

[onyx sage]

i will switch to m700 on hhf

[woven pewter]

But nemesis will still outperform he mmrs.

[pearl carbon]

I did a solo dua run on legendary solo was hitting 28mil

[woven pewter]

With dtooc as a 3rd attribute.

[patent fossil]

My WD is exp 20 so I'll be reluctant to abandon it 😂

[onyx sage]

going to put dta on nemesis just because i can

[pearl carbon]

I still need the nemesis

[onyx sage]

i just fully opti'd my model 700 and m700 carbon

[pearl carbon]

So is dttoc the best attribute for ars/anything that's not for hotshot build

[woven pewter]

Its basically best for everything.

[pearl carbon]

What about with foxs

Is it doubled

[patent fossil]

It's diminished slightly but still the best choice

[onyx sage]

for mmrs generally dta is better, but for nemesis there is an argument for running dttooc because it's usually used to get first shot without any HH stacks

it's just due to how HH damage works. HH damage is a sum of the bullet damage and HH bonus, and dta will multiply both while dttooc doesn't multiply the HH bonus

[woven pewter]

Thats right, but it also depends. People like me dont run with 4pc hotshot, so i have choice ro pick foxes or contractors.

[onyx sage]

so even though dta only comes in 6% it still nets higher overall damage than dttooc with HH bonus involved. there's also a practical factor as well

[flint wave]

but what if you encounter a red /s

[woven pewter]

3pcs hot is more than enough for me. :)

[onyx sage]

3p hotshot or not doesn't matter in dta vs dttooc

dta is still better

[flint wave]

have a feeling 3p hotshot is gonna be used more since m700 doesn't have a trash reload

[patent fossil]

Would probably run dch if only 3pc hotshot

[woven pewter]

For veterans/elites - yes.

[onyx sage]

and those are going to be the ones you'll have trouble with mostly

for reds it doesn't matter because you one-shot them with or without dttooc

[woven pewter]

Chungas, dogos and minitanks be like...

🤣

[flint wave]

just get headhunter stacks and one shot them

only one that doesn't get one shot is legendary minitanks

[onyx sage]

i mean, that dttooc amounts to less than 5% overall

it's not going to get you over the threshold as much as it's going to matter for elites with armor

if you think in practice, you're going to mostly snipe dudes in cover because you can actually aim at them, and that's where dttooc doesn't work anymore

[flint wave]

the thing that matters to me is dta still works when you get hh stacks

[hazy steeple]

See, this is why I always take my MMR shots whilst enemies are sprinting.

[flint wave]

determined my beloved

[onyx sage]

you know, my theory of HH bonus being skill damage still holds up, cuz most skill damage doesn't benefit from dttooc and most amps in this game are weapon damage amps

[hazy steeple]

I realised that you can blind-fire from cover with a 100% stability MMR and if Determined is procced, you can 1-shot enemies.
It's the most fun I've had in months in div2.

[onyx sage]

but that's besides the point

[flint wave]

but doesn't multiply with skill damage I bet

[onyx sage]

yeah, like understandably striker, hotshot and all don't amp skill damage

so HH being implemented as a kind of skill damage is possible

[ripe current]

what spec do you use for a foundry/hazpro build? tech for artificer hive?

[tawdry flare]

What about Hollow man on hh build

[onyx sage]

no

[tawdry flare]

It's not good ?

[flint wave]

dta + dth ultimate combo

[tawdry flare]

How broken hotshot is going to be now

[hexed steppe]

Very possible. Nego transfer damage shows as skilldamage in the action report iirc.

[tawdry flare]

20% mmr DMG is crazy with 30% from hotshots 10% airaldi

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

But fails on DTH cause it scales with DTH and no skill scales with DTH

[hexed steppe]

Nego also has an interesting interaction with dta

[onyx sage]

yeah, but then HH shows up as team damage so idk

[onyx sage]

true

[cinder gazelle]

Break Chunga armor with this

[royal raft]

The Strikers build from the spreadsheet has a whole section on the ACS-12 mentioning that an "ACS-12 with flatline will do considerably higher damage than the R&R". Looking at the flatline talent I am not seeing how it is so good with damage. It only works if I have the Pulse skill?

[hexed steppe]

you would need the tech class linked laser that pulses things you aim at

use lefty instead since its just a stack gun, sledge hammer will give you much better utility against really tanky targets with armor or armor plates

[rare tangle]

I'm newish to the game to game, this is a build I put together based on the guides

[hexed steppe]

that will work for solo dps. most of the time the striker chest is overkill and its harder to maintain the 200 stacks it allows for. usually its a ceska chest with obliterate. striker chest is really good when you have really tanky enemies though

i would save a loadout with both ceska chest and striker chest.
i would also save with memento/striker mask and striker bag/coyote mask (both ceska oblit chest)

memento for solo and coyote for group

[rare tangle]

Gotta get my hands on coyote and ceska chest then

[wraith spire]

Are there any ways to increase the St Elmos mag size to over 100? I'm at 92 right now with true patriot but I don't really want to sacrifice memento as my exotic armor for ninja bike and 2 Brazos' pieces

[hexed steppe]

yup. biggest deal with any dps is getting the critical hit chance between 50-60%

[wraith spire]

Am I forgetting any other sources that affect exotics?

[hexed steppe]

can roll third attribute to magazine size probably but i think thatll just take you to 99

what kind of crits are you seeing on tp with it currently

because instead of increasing mag size it would be more efficient to increase the damage output of each bullet instead. if you can double the damage its effectivly the same as having twice the mag size

[wraith spire]

About 45% chance but Idc about that

I want to get 100 rounds so I can get shock ammo in one mag dump lol

[hexed steppe]

if you have a spare elmo roll it to mag size then. you may be able to hit 100 on a non-empty mag change

12.5%+30% magazine bonus puts it at 99.75 rounds if i figured that correct

[wraith spire]

I'll give it a go later then

[mint axle]

hey guys, which non-exotic pistol is better, D50 or KARD-45 (NOT the "TDI" KARD)

[shy willow]

D50 probably

[tulip charm]

Just pick whatever you want unless you’re building a pistol build pick d50

[mint ferry]

Has anyone managed to make a decent HF ouroboros pvp build or is that not a thing?

[pearl carbon]

D50 with determined 100%

D50 and regulas are the best pistols imgame pre sure

[hexed steppe]

the only non exo pistols that are worth it are, d50, tdi kard custom, orbit

[hushed gorge]

People mainly use HF for PvE purpose

[wise swallow]

the normal PVE build + all blue

[wraith spire]

If you aren't doing a pistol build and aren't doing the ammo famine directive then TDI Kard is the best pistol bar none

But if you actually want to use it for more than a stat stick than D50 is actually useable

There's no build in the game that wouldn't prefer the TDI besides a 6 yellow core skill build

[flint wave]

but there's no such thing as skill tier 7

tdi kard makes you have 2 reviver hive charges that's why you should use it

and red builds are typically the reviver hive users

[wraith spire]

Yeah that's why I said besides a build already at skill tier 6

[wraith spire]

I run the Kard on technician so I can get 2 extra cores that I actually need if I'm not using ninja or memento

I think I put the +1 skill tier/overclock on kill perk on it

[flint wave]

I put sledgehammer on mine

[wraith spire]

Throw out the turret and drone then snipe a red bar, swap back to my primary and gun fools

Sledgehammer on the TDI? Why tho?

[flint wave]

cuz my primary and secondary don't have sledgehammer

[wraith spire]

Why would you even want sledgehammer in the first place?

[flint wave]

because 30% amp damage to armor and armor plating is good

and you're team benefits from the effect too

[hexed steppe]

sledge is a huge team bonus, not just for the agent that has the talent

[hollow pasture]

I personally run my tdi kard custom with future perfect

I rarely run reviver hives so tdi is used on skill builds

[wraith spire]

I always assumed it was just for the user, never realized it was a team wide buff

[onyx sage]

it's a debuff on the enemy

[hexed steppe]

hell even on st6 builds i slot in kard 😅 , kard is 90% of my pistols with the others being reg/liberty/blb and none work with cap

[hollow pasture]

I use orbit on reds

[hexed steppe]

i got lucky when cd vendor had the kard custom and bought a bunch

[hexed steppe]

yeah, lefty also particularly potent as a stack weapon for your striker builds too. perf sledge is 40% debuff to armor

[shy willow]

Sledge is a massive dps increase for your team

[shy willow]

From a foam build moving over to an eclipse fire build what pieces would I wanna change bar the backpack and the skills

[hollow pasture]

My fire build is vile and golan knees
And obviously the rest is ep

Golan knees /eletrique knees the same thing really, I got lucky with my golan

[tawdry flare]

Two things need to have vile mask and eclipse bag and chest and golan/electriqe pcs with skill dmg/status

[shy willow]

Ah bet

Sticky and firestarter?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[shy willow]

Should I expect to be killing stuff in group content or is it more a solo thing

[tawdry flare]

You can do it in group to buy only upto heroic it keeps ads cc so they don't do much DMG

[shy willow]

Is it like foam where they shoot back or does it wreck their accuracy or something

[tawdry flare]

They are busy cause they are on fire

[tawdry flare]

One way to keep Behind You up

[trim hemlock]

Does anyone have a good pvp build?

[shy willow]

Check out the spreadsheet pinned here

[zenith drift]

What an op pve build that works with the oro

[limpid pelican]

hunters fury, unstoppable force and obliterate

can also go memento

[compact quail]

Any way i can improve this build? i have 59%CHC and 119%CHD. It does very good dmg but i feel like I'm still doing "low" damage in comparison to what i see online

[limpid pelican]

your watch level is whats holding you back more than anything @compact quail

[compact quail]

yeah, i have 0 in both CHC and CHD, but i hoped i could do something now.

in general, what is a good amount of dps to do? like, is there a threshold where i can say i do "good dps"?

just to know at what i should be aiming

[limpid pelican]

it really depends what you're doing. that build is almost as ideal as it gets for st elmos

if you're strictly trying to farm xp, i would hang up striker in open world

its not much fun to play with as a teammate, but i'd go determined headhunter

and use that to hit 1000 shd

[shy willow]

When you can kill everything that gets thrown your way without going down

[compact quail]

considering that i play on heroic most of the time and have no problem, i guess for raids and the incursion. I've never tried one so i don't know what is the minimum a dps should do there

[limpid pelican]

for incursions obliterate is only used for the beginning turrets

[shy willow]

If you're going raids that build is fine

[limpid pelican]

other than that, i'd go striker chest piece, ditch coyotes

and go one piece ceska one piece grupo

[shy willow]

Incursion you'll want striker chest

[limpid pelican]

since low watch level

someone will usually be running coyotes for you

[shy willow]

Preference but on incursion I run one grupo, bloody knuckles and the rest strikers

[limpid pelican]

he's level 170

they need ceska grupo

[shy willow]

Ah true no watch

[gentle lichen]

Quick question. Backfire damage on self only applies to armor correct?

[compact quail]

thank you both for the help, guess i'll farm for more levels then (not that i have much more to do lol)

[limpid pelican]

depending on whether or not u want to cheese the hell out of content, you can make a headhunter build

as far as xp farming

[gentle lichen]

Headhunter isn't cheese lol it's determined

[limpid pelican]

.

ik lol

regulus headhunter may as well be cheese

[gentle lichen]

So long as you're hitting actual heads it really isn't

[limpid pelican]

id rather use regulus than d50 tbh

[gentle lichen]

Reggie with dtoc going to slap so hard

Drooling at the thought of that

[limpid pelican]

yeah thats gonna be fire

lmgs boutta go brr though

kinda insane l86 is 20m dps lol

[gentle lichen]

I mean.
Ouro already does that

But ik non exotic weapon that has more range doing that is completely different

[wheat anchor]

It applies to armour, bonus armour and health

Health doesn't get touched unless your armour is fully depleted

Honestly it might become even stronger when project resolve drops

Cause of rerolling the secondary attribute to DTOC

[gentle lichen]

Unfortunate since i thought it wouldn't touch it and you would make a clutch build

As next update you'd be able to push your health to like 1.4m while having all red

Rip to that

[gentle lichen]

Still gonna be shit

But other options as chatterbox are going to be phenomenal

[limpid pelican]

idk wtf the dev team is thinking with these changes

apparently rifles are 1 bursting legendary elites with max striker stacks

[gentle lichen]

I mean gotta stack it first with something else

[compact quail]

yeah i already made one and it's a ton of fun, but i prefer going from brrrrr to BRRRR with my Umbra build

[austere hornet]

Someone Maby know how good mantis and nemesis are just got them and I kinda wanted to ask for advice for a build?

[shy willow]

Chatter with dttooc gonna be heroic worthy?

[ashen atlas]

I prefer the white death over Mantis imo

[austere hornet]

I think I have a white death it’s a named weapon right?

[shy willow]

As it stands white death is better

It's gonna get blasted away after resolve by the new boys on the block tho

M700 and model 700

Carbon m700 gonna be my new main

[austere hornet]

What kind of build whould you run if you use a white death?

Im still nieuw to making builds

[shy willow]

Hotshot

Either 3 piece or 4 depending on what you prefer

[austere hornet]

Is that a set?

[shy willow]

Yep gearset

[ashen atlas]

I need to check it out in game I have so many builds lol I was able to get it to 325 HSD

[shy willow]

The unicorn way to run it is 3 hotshot 2 Habsburg and 1 airaldi

All rolled red with headshot damage and weapon handling

[austere hornet]

And for guns white death and?

[shy willow]

Chain killer is a must and most run vigilance too on the chest and backpack respectively

[shy willow]

Secondary is purely preference

[austere hornet]

Ok all farm that in countdown when I get home

[shy willow]

Something you can work with for close range ideally

Just make sure your white death has determined or ranger or optimist or something

And the third attribute is DTA/DTTOOC

[ashen atlas]

this is what I got for White Death and the one with chainkiller gives the most hsd

[ashen atlas]

I know I could improve it tho

chc is too low :/

[hollow pasture]

You don't need chc tbh

[shy willow]

Roll off the blue for a red

And everything into HSD/handling on MMR builds

No crits needed

[austere hornet]

Is it possible to get the exotic gun for drops or only specific drop

[ashen atlas]

I'll do that! thanks!

[hollow pasture]

Unless ur going into a different dread edict crit build

[austere hornet]

Like a raid

[shy willow]

With 4 hotshot and determined you can keep the bonus armour rolling all you like

[shy willow]

People crit with it?

[ashen atlas]

I'll need to test all that out for sure

[shy willow]

Unfortunately you might need to replace your rifle depending on if you've recalibrated it cuz it's got sledge at the minute

And you need more damage swap the backpack for airaldi vigilance

[ashen atlas]

I got other White Deaths I've gotten yesterday I can recalibrate tho

[shy willow]

But otherwise it's a mighty fine start

[hollow pasture]

Dread is spammy so you can but aces probably works better for crit dread edict

[shy willow]

Ah yeah

[hollow pasture]

Considering hotshot has handling on its bonuses dread is fine with it for headhunter

[delicate flare]

Can anyone help me with an incursions build please?

[shy willow]

4 pieces striker including the chest and the bag along with ceska and grupo or if you have good crits you can drop one for bloody knuckles

Specifically for the first encounter though you'll want ceska/grupo obliterate chest with 4 piece strikers and coyote or something else

And an elmo or other mid range weapon

Everywhere else I use ouro

[flint wave]

Do not run reviver in the first part

Emp sticky decoy makes it hard to fail turrets

[tame crane]

currently working on getting this Regulus Headhunter setup, and was just wondering whats the reason for Contractors Gloves there? Feel like LMG Damage and Damage to Armor are kind of pointless? But have no experience with build creating so thought ill ask.

[shy willow]

Damage to armor scales well with headhunter iirc

And it's another multiplier

[vestal ibex]

DTA is larger than other brands/bonus you'll get there.

BUT I'd say this build is kinda meh in comparison to the hunter fury version.

[shy willow]

HHF my beloved

I've been getting somewhat better at popping heads with reg it's pretty fun

[tame crane]

gotcha, ill look into the Hunters Fury setup then 👍

[urban latch]

Just different uses tbh. The high end setup has the major benefit of having DCH and vigilance, while the HF setup has more survivability and after it builds up has a slightly higher ceiling

[vestal ibex]

It is different uses, just one has much more uses imo. I don't ever use HE version for anything other than niche speed stuffs like turrets for incursion speeds.

[shy willow]

I only ever saw it in action on boss 1 IH to one shot the shield guys

[flint wave]

what if you combine dch and hf

[vestal ibex]

Most of the time that's HE AR build with DCH, at least that's all I run for it in pubs.

[flint wave]

then what does high end have

[vestal ibex]

He was talking about vigi DCH tho.

[shy willow]

Vigi

[vestal ibex]

Which I guess the apex mark kinda gaps it and makes it not so much of a difference right?

[shy willow]

After stacks it probably evens out yeah

[flint wave]

Me thinks slight overkill

or hf just out damages it

[blissful rampart]

HE version has higher front end.
HF version has higher top end with stacks.

Both are strong still just depends

[vestal ibex]

I think the big winner is the 100% HOK and 20% AOK.

[flint wave]

and cc

[wary vortex]

spotter or obliterate

im striker 4 + 1 + 1 build, full red dps

[shy willow]

Obliterate

But don't invest too heavily into that chest as you'll want a replacement

[flint wave]

damn gotta work on that recal library

[wary vortex]

i only can use gold chestpiece

fenris seems good as it buffs st elmo with only 1 piece

[hazy steeple]

The yellow stat is the main issue with that chest, you don't need Skill Attributes on a Striker build.

[wary vortex]

yeah

[hazy steeple]

although it being Fenris is debatable. It's not a full 10% buff like it says, since it scales off base weapon damage.

[wary vortex]

that can be take care of, guess obliterate then

sad

its like 6% i think

[hazy steeple]

Overall you want Ceska even with Elmo, but Grupo is a good alternative. There's discussion around it that just won't end.

[shy willow]

I run grupo personally because I really can't be bothered to roll all my attributes off for CHD

I recycle most of the pieces for other dps builds anyway

[wary vortex]

GOTTEM

5 roll only

[shy willow]

Unfortunately it has headshot damage and the core is a bit sad

[hexed steppe]

its because ceska allows for more chd because of the chc rolls you dont have to dedicate

[shy willow]

Probably better off getting another chest

[wary vortex]

a better one

[hazy steeple]

.....I know why.

obviously.

[shy willow]

Perfect

Just roll off the health for crit chance

[hexed steppe]

then the discussion around it is pointless... ceska > grupo

[hazy steeple]

Do keep an eye out for another one in the future, as it's always best to be able to roll off the Talent in case the meta shifts, but right now that is a very good piece.

[wary vortex]

it is lol

RNG top 5% i think

[hazy steeple]

I did send that message before you posted that, but I guess it shows up different depending on the person.

[hexed steppe]

put chc over headshot and dont optimize

[wary vortex]

coyote cannot roll chc?

[hexed steppe]

this isnt coyote. you are gonna need every chc secondary roll... youll still be low since this is grupo

you dont invest in headshot on crit builds. it lowers your dps overall

[wary vortex]

god damns yeah i need another chc

lol i count one less chc

[hexed steppe]

perfect, add it

[flint wave]

48/176(grupo with one chc roll) vs 52/173 (ceska with no chc roll) with elmo striker coyote so pick ur poison

[wary vortex]

coyote will add crit chance right?

i mean no one will rush to zero distance on heroic/legendary with st elmos

[dry zealot]

which Shotguns are recommended? aiming for Perpetuation statusFX-SG

[flint wave]

No one will notice the difference anyways

[wary vortex]

so im almost guaranteed to have 10% chc buff

[flint wave]

I've used both combos alot on countdown

[wary vortex]

im 37.1% now

38%

SHD 50 level i got 48%

coyote i got 58%

cool , i gonna go with this

[dry zealot]

depending on how much you play solo. i avoid coyote when possible

[wary vortex]

58% to 60% is not even worth to boost

[wary vortex]

i play mostly activities and raids

so i always play with other guys

coyote is a good choice for me

[dry zealot]

well....it is an improvement from 58to60

if noone else uses coyote, thats fine. in CD someone will have ity

[wary vortex]

2% chc and 10-15%chd , which one u guys choose

[dry zealot]

its not a realistic choice tbh

[wary vortex]

ok let me ask in this way, i have striker backpack, so memento cannot be used

what other exotic u recommend for me apart from memento/coyote then?

[flint wave]

bloody knuckles

[wary vortex]

im gunner spec / full red striker 4+1+1 build / assault rifle main

[flint wave]

but it's super overkill if u use it outside of raid bosses and countdown

[hexed steppe]

grupo still balances out as lower dps
you're actually a lot closer dps running grupo at 54 instead 48..

[wary vortex]

u expect me to punch adds on heroic/legendary multiplayer? lol

i use foam nade , so i cant even damage with nades

and even i use bloody knuckles, isnt sweet dream far better than st elmos?

[flint wave]

Foam nade can proc knuckles

[flint wave]

I do it on cd all the time

[wary vortex]

they have synergy

[flint wave]

no

[wary vortex]

lol ok

i gonna make that as a backup build, either way i gonna go full dps and its a long way for me

[flint wave]

easier to shoot the enemy you just hit with ur giga buffed damage instead of switching guns before melee and thats assuming ur hitting a non elite for some reason

[wary vortex]

no one says ur entire life is bound to only one build lol

[blissful rampart]

ignore the melee part of knuckles, so you proc it with your grenade or not at all tbh

[wary vortex]

gotta get both build

[flint wave]

I use survivalist with knuckles cuz it can refresh the cooldown and proc the effect with one grenade

[wary vortex]

at least foam can proc bloody, thats one good thing to hear lol

[hexed steppe]

if going knuckles, might as well lefty and survivalist nade as well

[flint wave]

combine it with sledge and ur blowing through enemies for 20 seconds

[hexed steppe]

team can get +40 +10 that way

[dry zealot]

you NEED to use an exotic?

[wary vortex]

a proper exotic piece buff is same as a set of gear, if you can use a good exotic it buffs far more than ordinary set

all my build is based on exotics

at least in dps

[hexed steppe]

ninja bike bag is a must have
/s

[wary vortex]

lol

[urban latch]

Plenty of builds won't use an exotic. It's sometimes optimal to not run one, just depends on the situation

[wary vortex]

but coyote/memento/bloody build , at least they can be in top 5 dps build of most of the time right?

like all those builds we mentioned

there will be another way round , but those builds are metas

[onyx sage]

as raucey said, sometimes the optimal variants of a build won't use any exotic

take HF builds for example, if you're going after vigilance + headhunter or ad rush + intimidate you're not going to use any exotic piece

because you need the backpack and chest talents to be like that, memento would be a good alternative for solo but wouldn't be great in groups

[hexed steppe]

memento, coyote, btsu, and vile kinda the only real staples in a lot of builds.
catharsis, bloody knuckles, dch, accostas being a bit more niche...
and the rest pretty much meh

[wary vortex]

lol it gets harder now

[blissful rampart]

ew well dch also a staple in lots of builds. doesnt need HSD builds. still great even in say crit strikers. lower overall dps then coyotes BUT gain pocket nuke.

[hexed steppe]

its niche, you dont see it a lot in matchmaking

[blissful rampart]

only niche because people dont really run it. but that doesnt make it bad or meh, still very strong

[flint wave]

dch regulus? more like dch d50 with finisher talent

[blissful rampart]

both are strong still.

[flint wave]

orbit if daring

[hexed steppe]

i only said it was niche and not in the meh🤔

[wary vortex]

maybe after i got at least one complete set of dps build lol

u can stash stuffs, so maybe i can start doing 2nd sets

[blissful rampart]

niche = weaker option in most cases but strong in its specific case.

but DCH is never "weaker option" so not niche.

[hexed steppe]

no, niche means its more purpose driven

like accostas

both are very strong in specific roles

[blissful rampart]

also means weaker option, see above

[hexed steppe]

i disagree with you, thats all

[urban latch]

Bloody knuckles for example is in general pretty useless and impractical to use. But for the incursion bosses it's amazing. If you've got a bunch of people in your group running coyotes, you may be getting nothing out of another. It all just depends.

[hexed steppe]

your intepretation of niche is just off

[blissful rampart]

not at all

[flint wave]

if my d50 would actually hit its shots I could one shot a heroic cd elite

but I miss and have to wait 2 business days to get another shot and it feels bad

[cedar tapir]

Hahaha

Memento is technically situational

[tawdry flare]

At least they are somewhat practical vs sawyers kneepads

[hexed steppe]

thats fair, it could fall into niche as well.

[cedar tapir]

It's probably overused

[flint wave]

Coyote is situational because you have to shoot stuff to proc it + you can't stack the same buff

[tawdry flare]

Long time no see what about adding new build yo spreadsheet as a part of my retirement

[flint wave]

[cedar tapir]

Gun is situational since you need an enemy to make use of it

[untold nimbus]

Game is situational. Gotta log in to play it.

[tired raft]

i want directive filter for matchmark

i dont want to join rarted groups with limited ammo sh it

[patent fossil]

Life is niche

[flint wave]

death is optimal

depending on playstyle

[twin drift]

I have a question would a chameleon strikers build work, most build suggestions/guides I see suggest using Elmo’s or oroboros instead

[vestal ibex]

I mean tons of weapons "work" and the chameleon will but as soon as you get upgrades I'd swap out as you can. It also depends on your goals/diff/time clearing content/respecting your teams time.

[hexed steppe]

Just set group to open and use the difficulty and directives you prefer. Then just backup call if none join

[austere hornet]

If I run a striker build but I don’t have a st Elmo engineer is chameleon also good?

[flint wave]

chameleon is an smg disguised as an ar