td2-build-advice

[young timber]

yea i remember elmo and ninja had the same thing and i saw that they got changed i never saw that catharsis got added in TL

[delicate wigeon]

U just told me I need more CHD I assumed chc was fine so I didn't include itn

[shy willow]

Keep targeting masks and you should be able to bag one

[young timber]

okay cheers , i opened 15 exotic caches earlier and had no luck ( 4 backfires wtf) so i thought i was missing something thanks again

[shy willow]

Long story short work on farming the right gear with crit damage/chance rolls and after that perhaps focus on getting crit mods

Template is in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel under striker build

If your countdown runs are still cursed find someone in the LFG channels to farm with

[delicate wigeon]

What's more.importnt thom chd or chc. Ppl told me chc should be priority which is why I've done

[elder pewter]

CHD is more important.

[young timber]

around 45-50 cc and then stack as much CHD as you can

[shy willow]

Chc is more important but it's nothing without chd

[elder pewter]

That’s what lets you shred enemies fast with strikers and other sets.

[shy willow]

Stack up to 50 CHC then dump everything into chd

[elder pewter]

Basically

[young timber]

if i remember correctly my striker build is running 45% cc and 188% chd and that's pretty low CC in my head for me running obliterate

[delicate wigeon]

Gotta love getting to extraction and the game crashes

Well I got. Better chest piece.

15% core
9.9% chd
6% chc

[elder pewter]

There you go perfect

[delicate wigeon]

Would it be worth me swapping from strikers backpack to ceska for a different talent. And putting a strikers chest piece on instead?

I early fill up on stacks so don't think I need the extra 100

Rarely

[onyx sage]

that's the other way around, the chest gives the extra 100

the backpack is very strong

[delicate wigeon]

So stick with the backpack?

[onyx sage]

yes

[elder pewter]

Yes you’re hardly going to get to 200 stacks unless you’re doing incursion or something.

[delicate wigeon]

Wait so swap for ceska backpack. Or keep strikers

[onyx sage]

keep striker backpack, striker chest can be swapped

[delicate wigeon]

I don't have striker chest piece

[onyx sage]

then don't worry

[delicate wigeon]

I have ceska.
I was asking if it's worth swapping them. Getting ceska backpack for a different talent
Getting striker chest to replace ceska one

[elder pewter]

Keep your ceska chest piece.

It’s not really worth the backpack

[delicate wigeon]

So keep ceska chest.
And keep strikers backpack

[elder pewter]

Yes

[delicate wigeon]

Ok

[elder pewter]

What’s your talent on the chest piece?

[delicate wigeon]

Unbreakable

[elder pewter]

Oh okay. I would swap it out with obliterate.

[delicate wigeon]

Can't :/ used the recal to put chc on

[elder pewter]

Oh okay. I thought you said it came with chc.

[delicate wigeon]

Nah it came with chd but only at 9.9% so put chc on so it had both.

I just need to farm til god's end now for a better holster

[shy willow]

You gotta put the chd back on

[delicate wigeon]

It has both chd and chc

[shy willow]

Aww man you couldve swapped for unbreakable

[elder pewter]

Exactly.

[delicate wigeon]

Chd of 9.9 and chc of 6

[shy willow]

Oops meant oblit

[delicate wigeon]

It only had core and chd before

I added chc so it had both

[elder pewter]

You could’ve put a chc mod on the chest piece. To make up for it. And put obliterate on the chest piece.

[delicate wigeon]

This is why text chat doesn't help :/

[elder pewter]

What do you mean?? We’re telling you what to do lol

[tulip charm]

The ceska chest is unbreakable with chc and chd?

[delicate wigeon]

I have dislexia. It's hard to understand stuff like this when. It's typed. But noone on here plays on ps and could jump in a party and talk

Yh

[tulip charm]

Thats fine

You can always farm another chest with obliterate

As long as you have the right roll

[elder pewter]

Oh okay gotcha my bad. My apologies. And they’re right.

[delicate wigeon]

I'm so unlucky when it comes to rolls 😦

[tulip charm]

Can happen to anyone

[elder pewter]

@delicate wigeon then join my game then. I don’t got a mic, but so you can see my stats.

[delicate wigeon]

Seeing stats won't help :/

[elder pewter]

It’s basically the same setup you have.

[delicate wigeon]

This is why it's so confusing tho. Just telling me what to do doesn't help. I need someone to explain it so I can understand. And reading messages doesn't explain very well

YouTube videos are ok but they tend to rush through the stuff cos they have done it tons before. Not very friendly to newer players who don't build to this depth

[elder pewter]

Which YouTubers have you been watching?

[tulip charm]

Tbh alot of build is pretty simple tho

[shy willow]

Pls dont go to YouTube for advice on anything build wise

[delicate wigeon]

I haven't..I'm just saying

[elder pewter]

Then join my game and I’ll explain to you what I have. You need to add me though.

[delicate wigeon]

U don't have a mix tho

[elder pewter]

I do on my controller.

[delicate wigeon]

What's Ur psn. Il add u but I'm probs gonna head off after this run as it's 1.10am

[elder pewter]

It’s in my profile.

HTG_Zombie

[delicate wigeon]

Added

[onyx sage]

good luck!

[muted hare]

Hey guys so this is what I’m running currently, if I can get some pointers on what to fix cause rn it feels like I’m throwing paper at everyone and gettting shot by a 50. Cal

I’m trying to get a Tanky/dps build and actually feel like I’m doing something to these npcs

[surreal depot]

Run another chest

[brisk barn]

• if you're not running content with bosses or very high hp enemies it can be recommended to use a obliterate chest and swap your holster with a strikers holster
• you'd also want to swap out your hive for a revive hive compared to the healing hive which is much less effective without repair skills, an extra life serves better than armor repair in most cases when you already have armor kits and the rate at which you take damage happens to be higher than you could plausibly heal
• you'd would likely prefer crit damage to protection from elites(what I assume those gear mods are) if you are not running blue cores and a shield
• if you are looking for a hybrid tank dps build I would recommend running blue cores and a shield with red attributes rather than 5 red cores

• most high dps only builds in this game are kill or be killed, a lot of people complain but that's the reality of most video games, either throw paper or be paper is what usually happens, there are other build options like Heartbreaker and Hunter's Fury which have more inbuilt survivability options but they have their own niches, strikers is easy to understand and build for new players and provides some of the highest damage output

[muted hare]

Interesting bet I’ll try that out then

[brisk barn]

a recommended chestplate when running DPS strikers for lower SHD levels such as yourself is ceska with obliterate, which provides crit hit chance

[muted hare]

Wait so since I’m a low shd level is that tide to my output for dps armor and health?

[tulip charm]

Ceska chest piece with unbreakable for survivability or obliterate for damage. you can also option out striker backpack for Memento for solo play if you need more utility. Aim for 50% chc if you run coyote 60% if not dump the leftover mod slot for chd.

[brisk barn]

the stats you gain from a higher SHD are fairly minimal, you get 20% CHD, 10% CHC and 10% weapon damage, there is no large difference between you and a SHD 2000 theoretically

ofc they have expertise levels which give them up to 24% more weapon damage on specific weapons and likely min-maxed builds so their damage is probably higher to some degree but you are not losing out too much

SHD 2000s are getting one shot as much as you are trust me

[surreal depot]

SHD 1Ms before Feb:

[muted hare]

Oh ok I guess that kinda makes me feel a bit better, cause honestly I have zero clue on what I am doing or what’s going on 99% of the time

[brisk barn]

this is why I'm using SHD 2000 as an example, cause that'll be the new cap

[pearl carbon]

Does status effects apply to healing hive

[surreal depot]

No

[pearl carbon]

It doesn't?

[tulip charm]

I mean you have a better build than the majority of the player base. All that is left is fine tuning.

[surreal depot]

Heal is not a status

[pearl carbon]

That's fair point

[brisk barn]

you're looking for "repair skills"

it goes up to 20%

for most things

[hollow pasture]

Lol ur like shd 83 with builds better than some people I see at 1.5k shd level ur more than fine

[muted hare]

Hey guys one more question, Perfect glass cannon i deal 30% more dam and take 60%?

I wanna make sure I’m reading that correctly

[dreamy valve]

yeah

get used to the armor break sounds GLHF

[robust jay]

so with project resolve lowering expertise requirements

does anything change for optimizing ? just wondering b4 i optimize my guns

[tulip charm]

No

[solemn siren]

omg omg omg omg I FUCKIN GOT THE BAG

[tulip charm]

Gratz Not a godroll. Dismantle.

[winged night]

My favorite

[rich lotus]

The Gift / Airaldi backpack with vigilance, Which backpack is best once both maxed? Airaldi gives +10% Marksman Rifle damage and The gift gives +15% Headshot damage. Just trying to minmax sniper damage in general for raids and etc

[buoyant perch]

Either works, Airaldi has higher damage but the gift has shorter "cooldown"

[rich lotus]

-1s for vigilance is barely any noticeable if you're barely the main focus tbh thanks for the info

[buoyant perch]

For raid sniping one shot, that requires very specific setups that I don't remember on top of my head

[rich lotus]

There's a few but I'm just going with a 3 piece hotshop + chain + airaldi vigilance + fox, all to HS and Handling

[buoyant perch]

If it's regular sniping for chunga, ads during last boss IH, either works

Some one shot strats use glass cannon

[cedar tapir]

Is fenris or ceska/grupo preferred for a chest with obliterate? Striker build with AR.

Seems ppl use mostly ceska/grupo but is weapon dmg not preferred?

[hexed steppe]

only when running mostly armored cores. ceska has the most value in red striker afaik

[cedar tapir]

hmm really

Shouldt plain weapon dmg be more valueble?

shd 1000 btw

[hexed steppe]

its additive other wd/red cores and has a reduced overall impact when stacked.

when all blue cores it has more impact.

[onyx sage]

let's just say you have less crit than you have weapon damage at base, so you get more value from crit than weapon damage

[cedar tapir]

Sure, but what if you don't need chc

15% grupo chd surely isn't more useful than 15% weapondmg from fenris?

[onyx sage]

you only cap chc if you run smg or high end pieces (not gear set)

most of the time you can always shuffle chc and chd around so that you end up having less than 40-50% chc

if we're talking about how to be optimal with crit

also fenris only gives 10% weapon damage and only to assault rifles, in some builds you'll make use not only of one weapon type so crit would benefit all weapons

[cedar tapir]

hmm ok

thanks

[dreamy valve]

Cool, LMGs are getting a decent damage boost. Personally, I think they should get 10% more damage on top of the existing ones since they are giving up a shield slot of added protection for their mid range play

And finally, an aggro mechanic is added for players in this game after 5 years

[cedar tapir]

supressed enemy's will be all over the place

[dreamy valve]

My Iron Lung build will love this

Fal still at 20 base mag kukukuku

Intimidate still goes unused

[pearl carbon]

What's a good rifle build

[cedar tapir]

wait for new exotic rifle

[dreamy valve]

lul

lol, lmao

[pearl carbon]

Yea

[dreamy valve]

more gimmick exotics that still compete with other existing exotics for the gear slot.

[dreamy valve]

Might try Vindicator with Achilles pulse

[uncut haven]

With the new brand set one could get 5 skill tier (6 if you wield that named pistol) while still having 6 red cores worth of weapon damage, how should one go about maximising the damage with that kind of setup?

First thought was just obliterate on chest and fox's kneepads

[violet smelt]

What's the best backpack & talent for a healer future initiative build?

Is safeguard overkill? Since I have so many repair skills already

[next lily]

Can someone recommend a build for Countdown? Something tanky dps ?
SHD 370.
I didn’t play the game for almost a year now and what builds I had they don’t work as they did….

[shy willow]

Opportunistic Alps summit with skill repair/haste

Or if you're feeling lucky the setup named UG backpack with perfect opportunistic also rolled to skill haste and repair but swap the core for yellow

[novel cosmos]

I'm trying to go for a capacitor build, what brands and attributes are good? Looking to get a turret/striker drone build for summit

[shy willow]

3 empress 1 wyvern and 2 hana

All skill damage/haste

Personally I drop the Hana pieces for the sacrifice and waveform

[rich lotus]

Any suggestions for the incursion?

[shy willow]

Listen to the leader and have a strikers build ready

[rich lotus]

Vague, but it will do..thank you.

[shy willow]

The leader will call out what you need to be doing you'll be alright

[hushed gorge]

Woah

So Mobile Recalibration Table

[tame crane]

hey, anyone got a good DPS build with some survivability to it? I have a full red Striker build which I am really happy with, but could use one with some blues for Raids etc 🙂

Was thinking maybe just switching mine with Memento Backpack, maybe get a Striker Mask in there for the 4pc Striker and keep the chest, and get good striker pieces with some blue cores there? But no clue if thats good, no experience whatsoever with build making

[patent fossil]

For raids you'll generally want to stick with all red, for solo content if you just want to be a bit more tanky then yeah, memento and a couple of blue cores will do the job

[tame crane]

oh ok alright, cheers

[shy willow]

Is there anywhere I'm going wrong for Cc or should this be good

[tawdry flare]

Looks good

[tawdry flare]

A pistol with future perfect might be helpful

[shy willow]

I just have it on for funnies cuz I never end up using my sidearm

[gentle lichen]

Wait till you hear about tdi kard

[shy willow]

I have the kard but funny named purple

[hexed steppe]

add a pistol with sledgehammer. survivalist nades make proccing on a spawn really effective

also remember that perpetuation will only affect status delivered by your skill. eclipse spreading status on death will spend the proc but not be affected by it

probably better with insync for your firesticky or stage left for perfect sledge

[shy willow]

I didn't even know that thanks for the heads up

[dense sand]

In case someone will like to know expertise costs from PTS:

[hollow niche]

PTS

[urban latch]

What's your health at without any health boosts from gear?

[hollow niche]

280% from attributes (60+60+90+70)

[urban latch]

There's also another 10% from the watch. What I'm curious about is what's your base health at 40k shd in the pts

Aka, did they actually implement the 2k shd cap

Also are those blue attributes health? How much of those do you have?

[hollow niche]

was taken from a player at boo but on me i have 2x18860 and 3x18935 = 94525 (1.5M armor and 1 432 646 M health with 3 reds 4 blues 1 yellow) only attributes i don't know base health

PTS

[hexed steppe]

@ 40k it wouldnt be ungodly huge if not implemented... maybe 140k health boost from shd

[urban latch]

Ok so the minor attributes are health

[rose rapids]

What can I do to make this better?

[hushed gorge]

Hows MOSQUITO Pistol?

[cyan drift]

welp

[flint wave]

big mag

[cyan drift]

I dunno how they fit 90 rounds into that hockey puck but, it works

[flint wave]

Is this the after math of brazos 50% mag size

[cyan drift]

yep

[slate nest]

that 3rd attribute must be RoF

[cyan drift]

yes

I should try rerolling it for mag size, just to see

it won't quite get to 100 but will be close

also this update just buffed the ninjaback by an ok bit

since third attributes got buffed almost across the board, it technically got a buff

[flint wave]

ninjabike should just get to the third attribute by one piece

[cyan drift]

nice, first reroll I got ROF again

yup, 95

there it is

[flint wave]

96

[shy willow]

Time to put on TP

[flint wave]

now for true patriot

[cyan drift]

that is TP

[woeful lake]

Must be typo for 69*

[cyan drift]

TP and brazos

[shy willow]

Damn it

[slate nest]

nice username

[woeful lake]

Tyty

It's the only letter from the alphabet I know

[cyan drift]

what's the other one that improves mag size, or is it just TP and brazos

[shy willow]

There's gotta be something

[flint wave]

Petrov

[shy willow]

I wanna see it go above 100

[cyan drift]

bullet king with petrov and ammo dump

[shy willow]

What did ammo dump even do again

[cyan drift]

👀 oh

[shy willow]

Who needs lmgs anyway

[cyan drift]

only one more gun to check at this point

[shy willow]

What could it possibly be

Gr9?

[cyan drift]

no wayyy I got frenzy FIRST TRY 🤣

[shy willow]

THE MAG

[cyan drift]

we're not done yet

[shy willow]

Bro once you spend eternity emptying that thing you're gonna be shredding

[shy willow]

My god

[cyan drift]

so that's +3% * 48

[shy willow]

That's like 144 percent rate of fire and damage

[cyan drift]

welp, only one thing to do now

time to get that sound clip

[shy willow]

Firing range

The numbers when you get this thing cooking must be funny

[cyan drift]

the firing range can't even calculate it's DPS properly because it kills a named person for full hp in under one second

[shy willow]

Wh-

Set to invincible and just hose the thing

[cyan drift]

so the reroll to mag size gave me 30 more bullets

I wonder if that's more than having ROF rolled on there

I think TP is still slower than umbra as well

[shy willow]

Atp you could probably do with the ROF to compensate for the huge mag

Actually umbra sounds promising with that thing

[cyan drift]

it took me 38 seconds to run out of shots

charging up an ultimate ability over here

[shy willow]

Yikes

[cyan drift]

The hiiiillllls are aliiiiive with the sound of BRTRTTTRTRTTRTRTRTRTTRTRT

it still doesn't calculate right though, I guarantee

cause 4 bullets hit it when it has 1hp left

[shy willow]

No way it's dps is consistent with that counter yeah

[cyan drift]

I'm not even sure every single bullet counts normally

when a game runs at 60fps and you're shooting upwards of 37-40 times per second...?

[flint wave]

fire rate cap

[cyan drift]

ok so, without TP, the mag size is 406

that's 144% ROF and damage down to 120%

buuuut with 100 umbra stacks, is +30% rof (deteriorating)

so ROF is technically above TP during frenzy with umbra for the first 3-4 seconds, and then is lower after that for one second, and then is higher again for the rest of the time

[flint wave]

3pc brazos viable?

so much work for big mag

[cyan drift]

technically, only problem people will have is that they have to run a ninjaback to get it with strikers or something

and striker BP is probably worth taking over nb

[flint wave]

200 striker stacks bout to be easy with 105 mag elmo

[cyan drift]

that being said, 2x prov, 2x brazos, and a sokolov is looking really good on a ninjaback

just sayin

[flint wave]

sokolov is the closest thing we will get to crit chance crit damage in the first 2 pieces

[cyan drift]

time for math again

334,722 per headshot crit bullet, unboosted by anything

so then +100% CHD and +120% weapon damage

201,574 non-crit headshot

I can't actually view my real CHD on the PTS because the tinkering station button replaced it

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

There isn't a stats page?

[cyan drift]

used to be M

[onyx sage]

what about the stats tab

top right

[cyan drift]

🙏 god send

[flint wave]

No way

[cyan drift]

the power of reading things is incredible

I just learn hotkeys and forget anything else exists

[flint wave]

you're not real

[cyan drift]

122.2% CHD with this, +100% more, unless there's a cap, which, is there a CHD cap?

[flint wave]

Imagine

[cyan drift]

I don't DPS so I don't know these things, besides 60% CHC cause it's really easy to hit

my maths says 1,427,950.216 damage per bullet, but it's a dream and a half to actually hit for that much every shot

[patent fossil]

no chd cap

[cyan drift]

so that would be (unfeasibly but in a literal sense) 1,427,950 damage per shot, being vomited out at 971 RPM (decreasing over 10 seconds down to 750), with a 120% ROF bonus on top of that

50,839,780 dps

[flint wave]

where are these calculations coming from

[cyan drift]

damage per headshot bullet (201,574) * frenzy weapon damage bonus (120%) * CHD (222% | 100% from umbra and 122% normally) * (RPM (971 max umbra stacks) * frenzy ROF bonus (120%))

[patent fossil]

hsd and chd are additive

[cyan drift]

where things actually get factored into calculations, I have no idea, but this is how my brain interprets the amplifiers working

[onyx sage]

yeah don't use headshots

frenzy damage bonus is also awd, not amp

rpm is also additive

there are so many things wrong

[cyan drift]

see, I don't play DPS so I'm just guessing things

it's also a supremely unrealistic situation to begin with, so it's not like anyone's going to really try this

the only thing it'd be even moderately useful for is Grey, and even then

[onyx sage]

yeah I'm just noting that for folks catching up

[cyan drift]

as funny as it would be to fire off 400 shots into the ground at spawn before iron horse starts, farm busy little bee stacks until grey comes out, and then frenzy him to death, I doubt the consistency

-and a regulus can just [dink] and he's gone

[shy willow]

Leader calls out mag dump before button press and everyone just starts emptying into the walls

[cyan drift]

I would love to see 4-5 of these just turn grey into ash

[blissful rampart]

Just FYI in case you wanted it

Simple Weapon formula:
Base Bullet damage x WD x TWD x (CHD+HSD) x DTOOC x (DTA or DTH) x Amp 1 x amp 2…..

[cyan drift]

that's true I didn't even do dtooc

[onyx sage]

hi azur

[cyan drift]

all this math just for people to use the 82 mag ouroboros 😞

I'm gonna give it one more try though and see how wrong it is

so what's the difference between WD and TWD (this is a real question)

[onyx sage]

different multipliers

that's it

the intention is that you don't put all your "budget" into one multiplier

whereas if you spread your budget across the multipliers you'll net more damage

[cyan drift]

so would that be like LMG damage or red cores

[onyx sage]

that's wd

backpack talents and chest talents tend to add to twd

like vigilance, focus, obliterate all say they add to total weapon damage (and they do)

[cyan drift]

so frenzy would go into that

[onyx sage]

no, frenzy goes into wd

[blissful rampart]

heya Bae

[onyx sage]

same as lmg damage and red cores as you said

weapon talents tend to add to wd

[cyan drift]

so add all those %s together?

[onyx sage]

add %wd together, add %twd together, separately

[cyan drift]

I assume umbra wouldn't go into TWD because it's a CHD bonus

[onyx sage]

it adds to rpm and chd

[blissful rampart]

so: (sum of specific WD + red cores + talents that give WD + SHD watch + expertise) x (sum of "Total WD" ie talents that give that stat)

TWD= talents that say "total weapon damage"
WD = weapon damage that doesnt say "total"

this is true for like... 90%? of tool tips (there are some stuff thats has wrong tool tips so dont always trust the wording without testing/ or checking sources.

[onyx sage]

that's what we do here in the lab

[cyan drift]

ok so 100,888 * (86.5% + 120% + 24.1%), I feel like I'm forgetting something

[shy willow]

Sledge lies to you but that's the only one I know of

[flint wave]

nowadays talent that says wd = amp

[blissful rampart]

oh there are lots of things that lies lol. sledge, intimidate, the gun status ones like sadist, pyro, eyeless, Perfect spotter just off the top of my head

[hollow pasture]

They've changed a bunch of talents to say amp now

Sadist, eyeless being 2

[onyx sage]

did they?

[blissful rampart]

on PTS? or live????

[hollow pasture]

Yes they did
Dod showed it

On pts

[flint wave]

spotter doesn't lie

[onyx sage]

at least they're doing something

[blissful rampart]

OHHHH finally !!!

[hollow pasture]

But idk if there are others they missed or not

[onyx sage]

intimidate probably

[blissful rampart]

last i cheked perfect spotter said "WD" and not "amp" while base spotter says Amp (BOTH are amps though)

[onyx sage]

idk how they're going to convey its exponential status

[flint wave]

It says amp

[onyx sage]

and striker?

[flint wave]

what even is striker

[blissful rampart]

striker is a normal amp

[onyx sage]

currently its "increase total weapon damage"

[hollow pasture]

Dod said they didn't change intimidate apparently

[onyx sage]

which is wrong

[flint wave]

maybe that's the nerf people need

make it twd

[blissful rampart]

intimidate on live says WD but is an exponential amp

[cyan drift]

really dumb and barely-even-matters question but, does frenzy work like a % or is it just a flate rate

like does it only work at every 10 bullets, or does it make a smaller amp if it ends in a 6 or something

[blissful rampart]

all damage increases are % based.

OH

those are flat rate checks

[hollow pasture]

Ignited changed to amp
Eyeless sadist

[cyan drift]

ok good to know, can't be wrong by 3% in this chat lul

I was already off by probably a few million damage per second before so, gonna try getting it right this time

[hollow pasture]

Thunder strike too

[blissful rampart]

honstly that changes nothing. since it would still act like an amp when you use strikers chest + bag, since you have no other TWD source

[blissful rampart]

can you lable your numbers (ie like its chd or wd or twd or amp or dttoc etc)

[flint wave]

It changes things for people that don't run the chest

not like I would want it anyway

[cyan drift]

ok so 100888 * (24.1% LMG damage + 120% Frenzy bonus + 86.5% AWD bonus)

[blissful rampart]

what is the 100888 ???

[cyan drift]

I already screwed this up didn't I

[blissful rampart]

yea lol

[flint wave]

100888

[cyan drift]

great start

[blissful rampart]

that number already includes your LMG, WD AWD gear boosts

[flint wave]

[onyx sage]

derp

[blissful rampart]

need to look at the base damage number (ie highlight an item> press options button > toggle show base numbers)

[flint wave]

If only my weapons had 100k base damage on a grey build

[onyx sage]

also, intimidate is now 1.04^9

1.423x

[blissful rampart]

need testing to see if its still exp stacks or not on pts (since it changed)

[cyan drift]

so it'd be 47,900 * all the stuff from before

[onyx sage]

it's still exponential

[blissful rampart]

^^

[cyan drift]

I still feel like I'm missing something just cause it's a swiss cheese of catchall stats

[onyx sage]

just tested

[blissful rampart]

also if you dont want to do the formula yourself, theres a great quick dps calc in the pins here 😛

[cyan drift]

unfortunately it doesn't really factor in frenzy too well

[onyx sage]

yeah it's assuming constant rpm

[cyan drift]

it also feels very wrong putting in 406 into the mag section 🤣

time for a big mistake

turning on damage numbers on the chat

so if my ROF is 150% increased, is that (ROF*1.5)+ROF, or would that be wrong as well

I know, nobody has ever had to calculate +150% ROF until now

[blissful rampart]

Yea it's base rpm * sum of rof boobs

Boost!*

[onyx sage]

omg...

[cyan drift]

fantastic typo

[blissful rampart]

I mean boost!!

[onyx sage]

screenshotted

[cyan drift]

it was perfect 👌

[flint wave]

nice autocorrect

[cyan drift]

alright so I have a ROF of 1912

after getting a kill with gunner spec, which I probably should take out

so 1865 averaged across frenzy's five seconds

so approx 10,659,000 bodyshotting damage per second for five seconds

then we whip out the gun that justifies stupid decisions, mr busy little bee 🤣

oh god, imagine sledgehammer with this as well

31.6mil per second on bodyshots, 45.4mil on headshots (this is with BLB)

how much health does grey have again?

[flint wave]

30 million with an lmg tell me this is wrong

o per second

[cyan drift]

I just want someone to use this in PVP

someone goes rogue right next to you, so you run around a van or something and reload the stoner lamg

they round the corner and vanish

[flint wave]

real cheese

0 mag lmg with frenzy holstered and st elmos shock

[cyan drift]

hit em with the sleigher rock

and then turn them into ash 🤣

how to make someone quit the DZ no matter what they've done prior to that point

[hollow pasture]

The exotic urban MDR has an 8x but not working with focus atm
If it does work that'd be huge

I think I'll know what I'll be maining

[onyx sage]

that happens every time they add a new exotic that has a 8x+

they take another patch to allowlist it for focus

which, idk why they just don't do it from the beginning

[dreamy valve]

coding skill issue?

[merry drift]

what's wrong with images

[broken pewter]

can u guys rate the new build i created?

[cedar tapir]

Rate

[dreamy valve]

I can finally be the tank I can very soon!

[merry drift]

anyone?

[broken pewter]

St elmos with perfect galvanize + vanguard to help the team with bonus armor. technician specialization and second piece brazos for extra skill tier, crit chance and crit damage on all the atributes

while having 48% pfe also

and maybe use it defender drone or armor regen drone to help the homies

chc is also maxed not that its important bue yeah

[tawdry raven]

So I'm using chatterbox in pts and I genuinely feel like it could out DPS the oreo

[tulip charm]

Pretty sure it can it’s just having the stacks to do so

[tame crane]

What would be better to run with my 4pc Striker/Coyote/Ceska for now? I know you want around 50% CHC, but would that extra CHD be more worth it?

[patent fossil]

first option is better

[hexed steppe]

i think scorpio would be a more reliable proc over elmo, plus you can have npc taking 20% incoming damage amp

[broken pewter]

that's true, and i can also swap the second piece brazos (kneepad) and the second piece uzina (glove) and add 2 bulwark glove and kneepad to get 10% more armor while maintaining everything the same to boost even more the armor bonus from vanguard and galvanize, makes sense?

[delicate flare]

Can anyone help me with a good headshot build for white death

[tulip charm]

3 or 4 piece, headhunter and airaldi backpack with vig all headshot damage and weapon handling

[delicate flare]

Thank you

[worthy kraken]

are there any slot preferences for the Drone Turret Skill build's recommended gear pieces or is it just pick whatever slot?

also, there any major differences in tthe pieces in "pick two of the following"?

[bright raptor]

named backpacks are definitely backpacks, same goes for Waveform if you're turret/drone, otherwise the differences are very minimal

[hexed steppe]

not really, the only notable is if using perfect combined arms. most use tech support and glass so it wont matter in a standard 3 empress ,wyver, 2 hanna. just make sure everything is rolled skill damage and haste.

[gentle bramble]

So on the build images that I see, it's hard to identify what weapons they are using. Is that because it doesn't matter and it's the weapon talents that matter or should I just get better at identifying what each weapon is?

[hexed steppe]

build dependent. but there is a few favorites that get used a lot... thatll get shaken up a bit with the next season and resolve dropping tho

anything in particular tho? post a snip and it can probably be identified

[scenic dust]

what a good AR alternative for kingbreaker? i love the gun but the firerate is lacking a bit for me, also all the accessories are visually broken

[vestal ibex]

Police m4 is a fan fav.

[hollow pasture]

A weird choice but I use a a vector acp with flatline

[rose rapids]

Can anyone tell me how to make this better?

[vestal ibex]

What's the intended usage What do you want "better" about it too?

[haughty wraith]

Is there any stats threshold for dps build, like for munimum % of crit chance / crit dmg should have or how much weapon should do, etc.. Does Div2 have something like that?

[rose rapids]

Legendary stronghold clear?

[scenic dust]

i was hoping that wasnt the answer, i kinda wanted a more interesting weapon

alas i accept

my alternate was a police m4 using the 8x

[shy willow]

Now for a fire EP build what do I change off from the foam one

[shy willow]

Clearing strongholds is more down to knowledge and skill than your build

You could be running the peak build and still not be able to clear

[hollow pasture]

Carbine 7 with flatline

Honey badger with flatline

[scenic dust]

thanks cruz, i tried the carbine 7, but i have not tried the honeybadger yet, i had not entertained that one

carbine 7 is a little jumpy for me

[hollow pasture]

Can't be as jumpy as the tkb lol

[shy willow]

Is the honey badger a contender after resolve now actually

[scenic dust]

oh lord no, not nearly

yeah, imma try the honey badger, i dont need all that range, i need to be landing shots

[shy willow]

Always wanted to try savage wolverine but just never found motivation

[scenic dust]

ill let you know how it works

not the talent for the range im using the weapon but i use savage wolverine as my backup for hunters fury

[pearl carbon]

Famas or honey badger or police m4 go well

[scenic dust]

famas no linked laser pointer

[pearl carbon]

Wdym

[scenic dust]

has a short rail, linked laser pointer needs a long rail

[hollow pasture]

He's using it for hb which requires pulse

And the most consistent way to get pulse is from the tech laser

[scenic dust]

hey cruz is the change to pulse duration from llp affecting pvp only with the duration going down to 4 seconds?

[glossy scarab]

this talent behind you is pretty strong. you just have to pair it with decoy and/or striker drone to get enemies not to be targeting you. this is shield splinterer vs. F2000 with behind you

[rich cosmos]

Wait, the talent can go on ars?

Bruh

Yea its getting nerfed fast

[onyx sage]

we talked about it at length in the pts threads

it's completely outclassing other talents atm

ironically, it's only in headhunter setups where it's balanced

[rich cosmos]

Are there any weapon class specific talents at all?

[onyx sage]

from pts? no

[rich cosmos]

Personally my view is still that it would be an amazing talent to buff and raise the effectiveness of rifles

But on anything else would become busted as hell

Even then still needs a nerf

I just hope the talent isn’t obliterated too hard

[ruby ingot]

Best talent for FAMAS?

[round zinc]

F2000

[hollow pasture]

It might be the meta talent for ARs in groups as that's where there's more uptime and less need for a decoy /turret for them to not target you

[rose rapids]

Whats a good skill build to run for legendary Roosevelt?

[onyx sage]

not even so, in solo as well, the burst damage you get initially is already going to let you kill the targets by the time they start looking at you, only downside is relying on decoy/turret

[hollow pasture]

Yea it's more of the relying on the decoy /turret

Which imo makes it work better in groups

[scenic dust]

depends on what you're using it for, generally i feel if you have good crit killer and strained are very good, optimist is good too

but i guess with the new changes this new talent is going to be optimal

[rich cosmos]

My bet is the talent gets nerfed to either 20% or 25% for the standard version

[shy willow]

Fast hands and optimist are good options

Killer is rng so I don't rlly like it

[crisp wedge]

Guys can someone send me a dz pvp build using the ouro boros pls i need help

[tawdry raven]

switch the legendary piece to grupo and use gunner specialization

[shy willow]

Firewall gunner and tech all better options than sharpshooter for your build

[tawdry flare]

Relying on decoy/turrent is not bad

[stiff jasper]

U prefer more damage or more survivability , solo only or team fight

[crisp wedge]

Solo

[glossy scarab]

perfect tamper proof + perfect explosive delivery + decoy & turret. explosions aplenty

[shy willow]

That looks pretty fun

[glossy scarab]

yeah its not that easy outside the firing range. i was thinkin maybe use seekers instead of the turret

[hexed steppe]

i was thinking heal traps might be an interesting application of perfect explosive delivery. i think they pop in a line so area denial could probably be a thing

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah i tried shock trap and it worked pretty well

[hexed steppe]

heal traps shouldnt destroy when an npc gets close. at least i hope they dont 🤔 .
its a continuous thing, correct?

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah thatd be perfect

[harsh kelp]

question: for incursion i use 200stack striker, but for legendary strongholds, would u use obli or 200stack? not sure if it would fill, or will it?

[lethal trellis]

obli chest, chungas melted fast when above 70 stacks with all red striker

[harsh kelp]

with az acs u can grab stacks fast and keep up the 200aswell so i d say that but obli is guess rly close. What i dunno is a legenadyr roosevelt for example like sometimes u shoot for enough time, but sometimes u need to move / etc or u dont wanna run in close for shotgun stacking etc.. so maybe u wouldnt cut even 100 most of the time.. any tips?

[flint wave]

You don't need to acs stack to reach 200

the enemies are just tanky and there's alot of them

[harsh kelp]

even on a legendary stronghold its worth runnin chest?

[flint wave]

It's one of the only places I run striker chest

even solo

[grave spear]

Hey guys, sup?
Just a quick question, I'm fairly new to the game, just got to lvl 40 few days ago and I didn't bother with builds and stuff until now. Googling here and there I decided that hunter's fury could match with mi play style so I was farming for it yesterday, now I have 5 decently rolled pieces, I'm only missing the chest. Anyway I'm running 4pc only, mask, gloves, holster and backpack, with Overlord knees for extra rifle dmg and some chest piece I can't remember rn.
Well, my question is, how does the 3pc HF perks work? I mean it says 20% armor on kill/100% health on kill. I just assumed that it means I get those % when killing an enemy but I don't think it's working, I have sacrificed some 350k armor from the previous load out I was using to swap to HF and now I find myself struggling a lot more to stay alive despite being able to kill enemies faster. What am I missing?

[fickle light]

"20% armor on kill/100% health on kill" means when you kill an enemy when you are at max armor/heath, nothing happens. When you kill an enemy when you have 1 HP and no armor, you get 20% of your total armor refilled, and your health is filled immediately

its a refill, not a buff

[hushed gorge]

How is this weapon?

Not my screenshot

[patent fossil]

pretty good, decent damage but not horribly OP like some

[dry zealot]

any links to a good incursionguide and builds for incursion?

[pearl carbon]

That gun looks and sounds fire asf also it's gonna be pretty Dam op not ouroboros op but regulas eb op I think

With archilies I think it will hit hella hard

[hushed gorge]

EB is better

That I can say

And after Project Resolve
+50 RPM and DTTOOC EB

[pearl carbon]

Yeah that's fair the eb and St and ouro are on top and next update eb will be all the way on top

Yeah 100% ima love it

Can't wait

I love div 2 but only thing I think they needa add is a hella op rifle

Feel like this vindictive should have way more dmg

Rifle builds are pre rare besides negotiations rav

Miss the exotic urban mdr from div 1

They should add it to div 2

[hushed gorge]

I guess Behind You Talent is gonna obliterate PvP

40% Dmg to targets that are not targetting you

[pearl carbon]

What guns that on

[hushed gorge]

Behind You Talent can be used on any AR and MMR

And also on Rifles

[pearl carbon]

Oooo talent I get you that would be insane for pve too with decoy

[hushed gorge]

PvP Group Players are gonna abuse it hard

[hushed gorge]

Yep

[pearl carbon]

100%

[hushed gorge]

Its also good for Group play

[urban latch]

From the pinned spreadsheet, theres two main builds:
Strikers with the chest. Bloody knuckles is also huge for the lovebirds and even wright.
and
Future healer with technician

[glossy scarab]

you have to be within 15 meters of the enemy maybe?

[wise swallow]

Depends how Targeting is gonna work for it

I think it should be disabled

Targeting talents doesn’t work in PVP

Unless it procs when your not getting shot

That will be fucking ridiculous in team play

Spotter, vigi, 6 red, behind you

FAL

All red spotter vigi already kills 1.7m people in like 2 seconds

[junior surge]

The numbers on that talent are completely ridiculous. They really doubling down on the insane powercreep.

[glossy scarab]

just realized the (PTS version of) MP5 ST has a 59 round mag. this is new right?

[hazy steeple]

yep, it got a bigger mag for some reason.

+6 IIRC.

[hushed gorge]

Can you try Chatterbox and EB on the PTS?

With DTTOOC

I want to know the results

[patent fossil]

I tested chatterbox with dtooc and expertise 25 yesterday, was fun. On hunters fury, memento + intimidate, it was hitting over 600k crits most of the time and over 1m crits when all the buffs were up

[hushed gorge]

Can you try with Obliterate?

[patent fossil]

I'm not ingame at the moment, but it won't be quite that strong (PTS intimidate is really quite powerful now)

[hushed gorge]

Oh i see
Did u try the Eagle Bearer by the way?

[patent fossil]

no, not really a fan of that gun

[nova mica]

third attribute on exotics can be rerolled only by recrafting whole item or is it like library rerolls - on PTS ?

[patent fossil]

only by reconfiguring whole item, still can't recalibrate them

same as you can today with a few new exotics

[nova mica]

ty

finally Nemesis without crit chance lmao

[cyan drift]

not enough bullets (this is with umbra just because I was testing higher ROF memes)

110 bullets with mag size rolled onto it

[gentle lichen]

That looks weak

[hushed gorge]

So you have used the Chatterbox on the PTS.
What are your thoughts?
Will it be op after Project Resolve or just avg improvement?

[shy willow]

Viable probably

[cyan drift]

I'm sure strikers hits twice as hard, umbra is only used because of getting armor back for free

[shy willow]

It's a fun gun as is it just lacks damage

[gentle lichen]

Im sure preservation beats umbra in terms of that

[cyan drift]

it can

[gentle lichen]

And it's a weapon talent.
The other is an entire gearset

[cyan drift]

I don't think umbra works as well as a full red set, vs having some blues (like hunter's fury)

the other thing is that this is the build I have on, just as a meme

[hushed gorge]

If it can get 600k on crits
I can see its good kinda

[cyan drift]

decinitely not a serious DPS build

[shy willow]

With the ROF bonus and the mag refill on kill I could see it being pretty good

[hushed gorge]

Oh
Forgot the Rate of Fire

[glossy scarab]

sure. give me about an hour

[hushed gorge]

Thnx🙂👍

[glossy scarab]

i already have those weapons with dttooc on them and 25% exp

[patent fossil]

for solo close-range stuff it's definitely going to be heroic-viable, should be fun for quick mission runs & summit

[shy willow]

I just wanna be able to use EB in PvE without nerfing myself

Feels so good to use

[hushed gorge]

I ll use EB on PvP

And PvE both

[hushed gorge]

Its a smg so definitely its a close range weapon
Thanks for your info

[hushed gorge]

Are you using EB right now?

[pastel crane]

It's been a while since I tried to make a build, but are hybrid builds viable atm?

[shy willow]

Generally hybrid builds are okay at 2 things but excel at none so they're not as viable as just sticking to one purpose

But people do swap in a few blue cores on dps builds for some added tankiness

[hushed gorge]

Wait

[glossy scarab]

eagle bearer with dtoc and 25% exp. gonna do chatterbox next

[hushed gorge]

Man
This thing shreds💀

The EB with DTTOOC

[glossy scarab]

yeah it feels really nice out in the open world

[hushed gorge]

It ll be also nice on PvP

I believe

[hushed gorge]

Do u have Groupo mask?

If u have Groupo Mask,use groupo mask and Then give me a video kindly

[round zinc]

im just gonna go out of a limp here and say that eb lowkey sucks

it still goes all over the place initially and its just like

[hushed gorge]

Okay

[round zinc]

idk,worse st elmo?

[shy willow]

You get more value outta coyote

[hushed gorge]

I know but i wanna see something

🥲

I mean the dmg difference

[shy willow]

I just like the way it looks and the QOL tbh

[onyx sage]

i mean it's just that coyote gives more crit

[shy willow]

Accurate and if you hit heads woohoo

[round zinc]

i like it but idk

[onyx sage]

you can read the talent description

[round zinc]

it really feels like people are just nostalgic for the weapon

back when the talent was great

[shy willow]

I just wanna use it cuz bored of elmo

[round zinc]

i dont use elmo so i dont get bored of it😎

f2k god anyway

[shy willow]

How's the PTS f2k anyway

[hushed gorge]

The crit stats here are 54/144
The one i used a while ago was 54/159
Just want to see the deferences thats it

I know the Coyote Mask buff

But still🥲

[onyx sage]

and you also know that coyote buff doesn't show on stats screen?

you have to add them yourself

[round zinc]

famas is dead

[hushed gorge]

Yes
But it has 3 things

[shy willow]

Holy shit they've done it

[hushed gorge]

One for close
One for mid and one for 25+

[onyx sage]

yes, so you build around only one of them

because you know yourself what range you will be in and therefore what buff will be active most of the time

[hushed gorge]

What do u mean dead?

[onyx sage]

most people build around the mid buff, 10% chc 10% chd

and famas isn't dead, it's still highest

[shy willow]

Dead

[onyx sage]

f2k just happens to get very close now

[round zinc]

simply put:f2000 outperforms famas in MOST ways

[next oak]

Hello, I’m a new player and would like to start building. I won’t lie, my only concern is going through DH and IH, and one manhunt in Challenging for the PS trophies. Could you guys show me the way?

[round zinc]

did they change something cuz didn’t it beat famas now

[hushed gorge]

So Sheild Splinter is getting a comeback?

[round zinc]

slightly higher base damage,same RoF and 40 round base

[onyx sage]

no, the 5% chc mod is still relevant

[round zinc]

that means either your sustain is better with 60 rounds or at 50 rounds you reload marginally a but faster

actually isn’t it like 10%

[round zinc]

aw bummer

[hushed gorge]

Will people use Sheild Splinter on PvP?

[round zinc]

scratch that @hushed gorge famas is not that dead

f2k is sorta equal now i guess

[hushed gorge]

Yep

[onyx sage]

it's more so that f2k just gets a lot closer now

it becomes one of the top weapons

[hushed gorge]

Is Carbine 7 getting a buff or nerf?

[onyx sage]

none

[hushed gorge]

💀

[round zinc]

does honey badger beat it now

+5 round

[hushed gorge]

It has -1 attachment slot

Like F2000

[shy willow]

What's the stuff actually worth using over some of the top options in PTS

[wise swallow]

Doubt it

[hushed gorge]

Thats y i asked

[wise swallow]

I doubt people will use it is my opinion

Ig as a secondary but

Eh

[round zinc]

OOC on chameleon🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

ok but seriously not that much

[tawdry flare]

Ooc on backfire

[round zinc]

like the new rifle

[shy willow]

Truly revolutionary

[round zinc]

its not good imo

even when you assume that it not proccing focus is a bug

its essentially a RNG weapon

[hushed gorge]

Whats OOC?

[shy willow]

Dttooc

[hushed gorge]

Oh

[round zinc]

damage to targets out of cover

[hushed gorge]

I know DTTOOC

[round zinc]

the MDR has a separate modifier that reduces damage on limp hits

[hushed gorge]

Didn't know it can be called OOC

My bad🥲

[round zinc]

if it tags leg then tough luck,shoot heads

[shy willow]

So it's basically over if you get anything that not head

[round zinc]

if it tags body then ok

if its head then you just hit the jackpot

[shy willow]

Oh it tags body too oops

[hushed gorge]

They will give us Recalibration caches on NSA stations with very high costs💀

[shy willow]

Could be worse

Could be a set of exotic gloves that buff blind fire and hip fire recoil

[hushed gorge]

50% accuracy bonus for hip firing 💀

[onyx sage]

vindicator becomes meta speedrunning gun, you just have to get lucky

[round zinc]

but i have 2 problems with it:

1. 8x is inherently clunky to use on fast firing weapons so if anything it feels like a nerf
2. the mods on it are very very bad, it feels like they take the rifle feedback where rifles need 30-50% accuracy/stability buff, threw it in the trash and picked it up again for this gun, like who tf needs 15% accuracy and 15% stability as separate mods

[hushed gorge]

For luck,you have to run the same mission many times
Only for luck🙂

[glossy scarab]

alright

[round zinc]

kid name regulus

[hushed gorge]

That was a nice one

[round zinc]

nah like even if vindicator outdps ouroboros i would die before i use it

like if you see me out there using vindicator then its a sign that skinwalkers are real and they just replaced me

[hushed gorge]

Regulus is hard to get but its worth it

[shy willow]

Not necessarily hard to get just time consuming

[hushed gorge]

It takes like 2-3 weeks

Yep,time consumption

[shy willow]

Nemesis can be worse

[hushed gorge]

4 weeks💀

[shy willow]

It's been way longer in the past iirc

[wise swallow]

I swear massive only knows how to design inanely shit exotics or very overpowered ones

[round zinc]

correction:current massive

im a big fan of chameleon:shit weapon,literally the most potential talent ever

[glossy scarab]

@hushed gorge OykkyO chatterbox dtoc + 25% expertise

[hushed gorge]

I said regulus is hard to get because it requires a 8 man team
And many players cant play on groups as some of them cant communicate properly

[round zinc]

like even when exotics are mid like chatterbox i can appreciate its unique design idea like backfire which can also prove to be viable to an extent

[hushed gorge]

Bruh

We gonna be shredding

[shy willow]

You don't really need 8

[onyx sage]

that's pretty pog

[glossy scarab]

yep

[round zinc]

the last like,10 or so exotic releases have either been aggressively bad or stupidly overpowered it casts a shadow over an entire weapon class

[hushed gorge]

Yes i know
But if u manage to get 8 man,it gets easy

[shy willow]

Unique and intriguing talent but mid gun>Broken gun and stupid ass talent

[round zinc]

like im actually gonna cry if they insists on putting that stupid exotic glove into the game

[shy willow]

Even with 8 men they're train wrecks if people aren't doing their job

[hushed gorge]

Yep
Especially during the Ironhorse Phase 2 boss

[shy willow]

Like even in incursion I get blamed for going down even when it's because everyone else's adds get away lmao

[hushed gorge]

Get ready to cry then
Grab some tissue Papers

They are gonna release it anyways☠️

[hushed gorge]

It happens man
Me and my clanmate were helping a 3000SHD lvl player for getting an Ouroboros
We were so shocked that he didn't have a proper Striker build

[round zinc]

at this rate im not even surprised tbh

[hushed gorge]

Meanwhile i was SHD lvl 950 play iirc

[round zinc]

everyone is collectively saying gear lock sucks and they’re saying “no YOU suck”

[shy willow]

When I call out bad strats and skill issues people always pull the shd level card just cuz I'm only at 1k

[hushed gorge]

Ubisoft really gave a L to us

[round zinc]

nah its just the current dev

ubisoft just got random people to work on it

[hushed gorge]

Uss bro
I am also SHD lvl 1015

[round zinc]

i have 1k7 and i use striker chameleon in most legendary where its possible

[shy willow]

Legendary sounds like a place chameleon would actually be good to be fair

Tanky enemies and a lot of spawns

[hushed gorge]

The last legendary mission i played were District Union Arena with Striker St Elmos

[round zinc]

like can i just go spread misinformation like cham>Lmo if i just post gbs of end screen showing me hitting negative total damage value vs st elmo

[hushed gorge]

With 2 guys obviously

[wise swallow]

If their gonna do that at least bring back division 1 type hip fire accuracy

[shy willow]

You wouldn't be completely wrong if you had the buffs rolling

[hushed gorge]

They also nerfed hipfire on div 1

[shy willow]

At least on div1 you could move while hipfiring

[hollow pasture]

Div 1 nerfed hip fire better than div 2

[wise swallow]

Ik they should bring it back with this stupid ass exotic

[hollow pasture]

I'm pretty sure in div 1 aswell they nerfed it so hard that you got less crits or smth when doing it

[rich cosmos]

I can’t wait to use these new exotic gloves! Surely they will be good!

[hushed gorge]

@round zinc get ready to cry

[shy willow]

If they added carefree or something I could see it maybe being slightly better than trash

[rich cosmos]

Lets be real unless they hardcore buff it, its gonna just be a free exotic component

[shy willow]

How would they implement an exotic revolving around hipfire good though

Like the very concept of it is shite

[hushed gorge]

Indeed sire

[vestal ibex]

Hipfire is aimbot

[shy willow]

Wh-

[vestal ibex]

lol

That would be one way to make hipfire good, I'm not wrong.

[glossy scarab]

@hushed gorge grupo mask

[shy willow]

Fair enough lol

[hushed gorge]

Fair enough
Thnx

[shy willow]

Couldnt they have at least just given it a flat handling bonus when not ads or is that not how it works

[hushed gorge]

I ll use this

[sullen sun]

I want your guys thoughts on this video when you get a chance to check it out

https://youtu.be/1UjL6tt6a_w?si=BBUkL0rnCjJJ-8rn

[hollow pasture]

Dta doesn't apply to the headhunter buff anymore in the pts?

[hazy steeple]

There's a fairly decent chance that it's not exactly correct, since it's a div2 youtube video.
They have a fairly high rate of being "absolute toss".

either by accident or design.

[shy willow]

Something about that explosive skill thing being very good

[hazy steeple]

A good rule of thumb for div2 youtubers is that they have a higher chance of being bad videos if they use words like "dominate", "melt everything", "insane DPS", etc.

[shy willow]

The fact the title is THESE TALENTS WILL CHANGE THE GAME

NEW POWERFUL ITEMS

[hazy steeple]

It just reminds me of that bit in Austin Powers where he's having trouble controlling "the VOLUME OF MY VOICE".

[void jasper]

wich rifle are most used

[gentle lichen]

Next update will be m700 carbon

[void jasper]

sry and with rifles?

[gentle lichen]

M1a's

[ashen atlas]

You don’t like division2 YouTubers do you? 😆

[hollow pasture]

There aren't very good ones
And the ones that were good are gone (marco style)
Or don't post much build stuff (widdz, solid fps)

Obviously there's dod regnbue now and iKia

Hutchler

[hazy steeple]

RIP I am fox. We miss you.

Kia isn't half bad, I'm sure there are others that are okay too.

[hollow pasture]

I've heard that name alot but I'm not sure if I watched him

It rings a bell

[hazy steeple]

They had a build pinned in the spreadsheet for a long time, last uploaded anything over 2 years ago.

[hollow pasture]

OK I do remember him now that I looked him up

Good build videos and explaining what worked and what didn't what was best

[hazy steeple]

They remind me of a WF youtuber I used to watch years back. Lots of thought put into the video, doing the hard work to make sure builds worked properly and very little "flash". Probably the best one for their time, was 'Fox.

[random sigil]

Sooo, I need to get my proficiency up with the other skills that arent really recommended in any builds, what's a good all purpose skill build? I know the drone/turret one, but a lot of the other damage skills are just used then detonated or something like that. Examples being the bomber drone, fireflies, or seeker mines, etc.

[ruby ingot]

I use 1886, you can use it to one shot kill yellows in heroic content with HH

I haven't found any other rifles that can do that due to lack of damage

[tawdry raven]

u dont have to actually use em to get prof xp just have it equiped

[random sigil]

Oh that's true. so you'd just use a shiedl then any random skill you wanna level?

[tawdry raven]

well i just wony run for prof but when i was leveling i just made a build that everything needed prof then id use st elmo cuz even with the worst build st elmo is still useable then i play countdown for hours

[random sigil]

oh did you level all the other gearsets like that like with riggers or hard wired?

[tawdry raven]

i donated gearsets if i could

but named gear i wore

well named stuff thats rarer like dz named gear

[random sigil]

oh true that makes sense. I don't fully understand all the expertise systems yet. I'm still wrapping my head around it.

[tawdry raven]

donatings gonna be ur best friend for a while

[random sigil]

mm okay

[tawdry raven]

play countdown pick everything up as trash then donate all trash for prof xp

[random sigil]

like for example, right now i'm expertise level 3 according to the recalibration station, and i need a certain amount of experience to reach the next expertise level. Does that mean each thing I become proficient in grants exp? or I jsut gain exp as I gain progress?

[tawdry raven]

each item has 10 lvls, each lvl is 1 prof xp

[random sigil]

OH okay, got it

[tawdry raven]

so ur gonna need to max a bit of items to get a expertise lvl

[random sigil]

and once its lvl 10, you can expertise it for more stats?

[tawdry raven]

yep but it costs resources and currently not worth doing until project resolve is added to the game

[random sigil]

yeaaah i did read that. I'm not really expertising anything or optomizing, I'm just trying to do the proficiency stuff

[tawdry raven]

yeah just target loot something u dont have leveled and run some rounds of countdown and donate everything u get unless u see a well rolled item u need

[random sigil]

got it, thanks!

[tawdry raven]

also if u have a lot of printer ink its a good resource to donate for perf xp too

i think its 300 ink a lvl

[random sigil]

oh true ill try that too

[hushed gorge]

Did u try it on a heroic CP clearing?

You guys were talking bout Division YTs

Many of the DV2 content creators make clickbait builds nowadays

And some of them even promote their Boosting services

Instead of giving a proper build

Some yt even showcases build ON STORY DIFFICULTIES

[muted hare]

Hey guys what’s ceska?

[hushed gorge]

A Brand set

[muted hare]

Is it a dark green or a yellow gear set?

[hushed gorge]

Brand set

[hushed gorge]

Yellow

[muted hare]

How does it look like cause I’m trying to find it based on the name but i feel dumb rn

[hushed gorge]

My guy right here is using Ceska Bag and Mask

[muted hare]

Ohhhh ok ok thanks man have a blessed day

[glossy scarab]

no im about to try it now but its not heroic. i cant change the open world difficulty. its just pts difficulty which is something like challenging

[hushed gorge]

Oh

[hollow pasture]

That seems pretty good

[rich cosmos]

Is it worthwhile making a sniper build that doesn’t require headshot damage

[hollow pasture]

Crit sniper?
Yea use dread edict

[pearl carbon]

Dread edict is amazing for crit sniping

Probably the only crit sniper tbh

[hollow pasture]

It's an svd so it's meant to be spammy

[pearl carbon]

I hit 10mill per shot the other day

[pearl carbon]

100%

[hollow pasture]

Plus gives you a great amount of bonus armor when reloading

[pearl carbon]

Exactly perfect for glass canon

Gives you 1 extra second before death

If you wanna know what build byw @rich cosmos

I just use the perfect glass with vigilance and 1 grupo 1 ceska and the other is the marksman damage one can't remember name

All red crit damage and chance

[hollow pasture]

You can use 3 piece hotshot
But crit

[gentle lichen]

Mfw Nemesis not mentioned:

[shy willow]

Why crit with nemmy you gotta charge it and all

[gentle lichen]

In pvp it is your go to for crit builds

[shy willow]

Ah that's whyyy

I haven't really dabbled in pvp

[gentle lichen]

It does around 3.1m crit headshot

Kills any player no matter how much armor

[shy willow]

If you don't crit it's over tho haha

[gentle lichen]

This is with a 3/3 split and no mmr damage bonuses

[gentle lichen]

Still 1.9m

Downs your 4 blue or less player

[hasty lynx]

Can I target loot countdowns to get Harmony rifle or is it in DZ only?

[shy willow]

DZ only or named caches

[gentle lichen]

Dz exclusive

Your alternative is test subject

[hasty lynx]

So I would need to wait till DZ is rifle target loot ?

[gentle lichen]

It still drops normally in dz even without targeted

But to increase your chances of getting harmony yeah you can wait until it's rifle targeted

[rich cosmos]

Thank you all

[hexed steppe]

Also keep an eye on the cd vendor. Named dz items regularly go on sale there

[shy willow]

There's a matador in there right now

Shit rolls but a matador nonetheless

[cyan drift]

@urban latch thoughts 🤣

unironically pretty good, cause it gets rid of oreo's one massive downside (small mag) while having tier 4 shield (if all red cores)

far from meta but it was actually a lot of fun to run with, since it's hard to go wrong with strikers and oreo

haven't really tried other third attribute memes yet, just saw +50% mag size on brazos and went straight for it

[hollow pasture]

Mag on the oreo like that?

[cyan drift]

82 with mag size rolled onto it. Like 73 without

[hollow pasture]

You tried brazus and TP with it

[cyan drift]

Yeah, got to 97

Can't get to 100 no matter what unfortunately

[hollow pasture]

So close to 100 😭

[cyan drift]

St elmos gets to 125 iirc

93R gets like 64 in case you want to break your index finger and mouse at the same time

[hollow pasture]

125 rounds of shock

[cyan drift]

I'm curious if you could do 3x tots and 2x brazos, then just minigun things to death with full blues

and a 49 round lady death

[hollow pasture]

Oh yea the ld talent now scales with the mag size

[cyan drift]

Only gets to like 65 at best unfortunately

or just run around with a 70-shot artists tool

can't think of too many other guns that would benefit more than ouro

Enforcer/Tsunami maybe but idk

Can't get a 3-shot sawed off no matter what because the animation only loads two shots

[hollow pasture]

That'd be funny to see if it worked

[cyan drift]

I tried it like 18 months ago, I still have a mag size rolled Sawed Off shotgun

I doubt the hell out of it but it'd be funny to have a two shot crossbow

44 round ACS-12 is funny but pointless

Chatterbox 🤔

83 rounds from it without TP. 98 with TP, I think

The damage with TP will make it super not worth it though

Actually, with ongoing directive, it makes half my mag size into special ammo for other people, right? Not half of their mag size

[arctic otter]

Hey agents, I have a question. Is damage to health still the only modifier in the game that scales with headhunter?

[hushed gorge]

@glossy scarab did u try it?

[urban latch]

Agree to disagree lol

[glossy scarab]

yeah, but i put bloodsucker on the backpack and it made it way easier

[cinder gazelle]

Half of their mag size

[hushed gorge]

Now no one cares bout meme templates

[hexed steppe]

Encouraging sign that the main release with be... smooth...

[shy willow]

The server crashes delayed maintenance and game breaking bugs are truly beneficial

You actually have to go and touch grass

[cedar tapir]

Dta as well

[hazy steeple]

@hushed gorge We aren't robots, we have to actually see them or have them be auto-flagged to remove them.

[compact quail]

I'm making the Umbra Initiative build from the spreadsheet but i don't know which weapon to pair with my St. Elmo, what's best to use?

[hazy steeple]

St Elmo's is a great all-rounder AR, you can't go wrong with it on most builds.

[shy willow]

^ it's very reliable and fills like basically any dps build really

[compact quail]

yeah, but what's another weapon that goes well with it and the build? i was thinking an M1A but i'm not really sure

[shy willow]

I'd have said ACS 12 as a reflex lol but I'm not that familiar with what people use on umbra

[hushed gorge]

😐

[compact quail]

Should have figured it out lol, when in doubt i always end up using it or Lefty

[shy willow]

Can't go wrong with that perfect sledge

[onyx sage]

dth and dta yeah, if you just mean out of the popular 3 dth, dta and dttooc

[hazy steeple]

There's a huge list of guns laid out in the build guide itself. Can't go wrong with any of those.

[onyx sage]

however dth is mostly useless against initially armor enemies because dth isn't used until you deal damage only to health

[torn granite]

Heartbreaker build for running heroic Countdown. I feel like the coyote´s is mandatory, as I lack way too much cc & cd without it.
Heartbreaker Chest gives me more stacks = more dmg, and the Backpack gives me 2% bonus armor.

My main question is, what other high-end piece should I run on holster/kneepads/gloves?
I can´t make up my mind between fox´s prayers, contractors, and picaro´s. Besides these 3, I could also use a ceska, grupo or fenris..

[round zinc]

if you’re already lacking on crit then ceska is a must

though i must ask,whats your current chc and chc on the watch

[torn granite]

yeah, all builds will be much better with a lvl 1000 watch. CD is on 0, CC is at 5 %

[hushed gorge]

Is system corruption gonna be a Meta?

[round zinc]

you should be able to squeeze another 5% out eventually so just put that chc at roughly 55% and you’re set

[bright raptor]

meta noob trap right next to Rigger and the Ninjabike bag

[glossy scarab]

this banshee with behind you crits to the body at 1.3 mil

[round zinc]

i mean even as someone with 0 knowledge to the game syscor doesn’t look that attractive

[round zinc]

cant wait for the talent to get murdered

[hazy steeple]

I believe they're referring to the PTS buffs.

even so, doesn't look that nice.

[round zinc]

even with pts buff it is still really kinda bad

i was typing it and i wasnt gonna delete all of it

double the cap or make it work with any source of bonus armor,so things like ad rush and galvanize

[hexed steppe]

Only till they focus you

[hushed gorge]

Decoy users gonna be so happy

[slate wedge]

it is gonna be insane in conflict and DZ

as someone who plays alot of pvp getting 120% armor and 40% twd for 5s is so strong

the only problem there was before is that you couldn't always kill people within those 5 seconds

but on a standard sysco build in the PTS you now have just 16.6% more overall damage as long teammates don't give twd bonuses

[tawdry flare]

Also the insane health bonus seen 1.6 million health

[slate wedge]

yup

[tawdry flare]

So around 3.6 million effective hp

[slate wedge]

we might see 3 piece umbra, 2 piece ceska and ninjabike builds now

[tawdry flare]

With expertise even more

[slate wedge]

*in pvp

[tawdry flare]

Ninjabike is gonna be meta in PvP from the looks of it

[slate wedge]

yup

[tawdry flare]

I don't play PvP but I tried hf with 2pcs ceska ninjabike

[slate wedge]

health is gonna be meta since it doesn't work

[tawdry flare]

And honestly

It was alright

[slate wedge]

hf won't be meta but i am scared of umbra tbh

cause umbra with ninjabike is already kind of meta

[worthy kraken]

a drone/turret build would understandably dont do so well in countdown's due to enemies hacking them

is it a similar case in other stuff? descent/summit/incursions...

[onyx sage]

descent and incursion no, summit works

[dreamy valve]

Yeah just throw your skills in the room and hide in the previous one, very effective tactic, except lvl 100