td2-build-advice

[wary vortex]

wait

[hushed gorge]

Then i have nothing to say to u🤡

[wary vortex]

if i want to do healer, the exotic will be doctor home?

[hushed gorge]

lol

Doctor Home is a nice rifle but if u want to be a healer there are nice alternatives

There is a thing called healer build

Like this

U can use Scorpio instead of Elmo

[wary vortex]

oh that gun

very good disruption

[glossy scarab]

sweet. finally found one with chc on it so i can reroll the talent. ive got a couple ARs with chc at the third attribute bc it makes it possible to pair it with ouroboros and not go way over the chc cap on the ouro and still have good crit chance on the AR. it ourperforms the hell out of the same weapon with dtooc and only 43% chc

[hushed gorge]

This Weapon is a curse to me

[wary vortex]

u need to pick an exotic weapons

[hushed gorge]

This and Famas 2010

I had to grind for hours for getting nice rolls

[wary vortex]

welp its up to you

[glossy scarab]

yeah i have a C7 that dropped like this from a field proficiency cache

[wary vortex]

but my playstyle is : every build is based on exotic weapons

my core is the exotic

[glossy scarab]

in this case my primary is ouro

[hushed gorge]

[wary vortex]

all other buffs, build are all based on the weapons

exotic weapons are the top tier

[hushed gorge]

Bro didnt use Carbine 7 or Famas 2010 with Optimist or Strained

[shy willow]

Holy luck

[wary vortex]

lol

[glossy scarab]

this is what im running right now

[wary vortex]

i want flat buffs

instead of spike buffs

[native needle]

got a ceska chest with obliterate, there is a god after all

[hazy steeple]

A "god roll" is when an item has the ideal attributes and every single one of them is maxed out.
it's a great roll, but not a god-roll.
well that was weird, chat just scrolled. Ah well still relevant.

[shy willow]

A lot of top end gear relies on stacks

[glossy scarab]

you do get much higher damage from the stacking gear sets at the top level

[wary vortex]

flat buffs: stable and high continuity , for example, striker stacks, st elmo stacks, obliteration stacks, flatline/spotter pulse

spike buffs: extremely unstable, like "hitting different enemies grants increased abilities"

[shy willow]

Stacks aren't flat 😭

[glossy scarab]

nope

[hazy steeple]

They are when I play Striker.
badumtish.

[glossy scarab]

oblit and strikers are in that category

[native needle]

my ar damage went from 91k to 80k, hmm

[hushed gorge]

You know i used to think like u when I WAS ON LOW SHD LVL like you are right now

[glossy scarab]

whoa

comin in hot

[shy willow]

Liberty and bee are good end of

[hushed gorge]

Nope

[hazy steeple]

Okay let's tone it down a little. This is just a video-game after all.

[wary vortex]

but imagine this, if i encountered a strong dude, like the field only has him and 3 other adds, oblit and striker buffs will increased in a stable way right?

[hazy steeple]

The pixels on the screen aren't going to impress anyone.

[hushed gorge]

I am just saying

Nothing else

I am also a new player lol
Just reached 910 SHD lvl today

[wary vortex]

welp

[native needle]

I am about to hit 6

🫡

[hazy steeple]

hey nice! Everyone has to start somewhere.
remember: we all started at 0 too.

[shy willow]

With target loot and countdown you can get in on all kinds of action pretty damn soon

[wary vortex]

what other spike buffs this game has...

• hitting different enemies
• when hp/armor dropped low
• when you headshotted multiple enemies

[glossy scarab]

kinda depends on your accuracy and if you can empty most of a mag that actually hits an enemy for stacks to go up quickly. if you fire more sporatically the stacks will stay relatively low

[wary vortex]

flat buffs:

• hitting enemies

[shy willow]

Chain killer relies on chaining headshots and it's incredibly popular

[glossy scarab]

yep

[wary vortex]

if you have 900+RPM guns, hitting enemies to gain stacks are the most flat and stable buffs

[shy willow]

Completely depends on enemy density and sponginess

[glossy scarab]

flat means you have the same damage all the time. stacking talents arent like that

[wary vortex]

lol

welp at the end its playstyle lol

im striker build

[strong sphinx]

anyone know if its possible for foxs prayer to drop with both red attributes? to put blue core on it

[shy willow]

It always drops with damage to targets out of cover which is red

But yes the other attribute can be red

[hushed gorge]

Picaro's Holster,Fox's Prayer and Contractors Gloves
These are blessings

[native needle]

I just salvaged picaro's

is it good

[hushed gorge]

Well
No worries

[hushed gorge]

Yes

[native needle]

I just didnt think I'd need it I'm following a build some guy told me to

[hushed gorge]

Yes
Try getting a striker build

[native needle]

doing hunter fury atm

[shy willow]

Before you farm for it what was the build

[native needle]

I didnt have one, just ran with the best items I picked up to 40

[shy willow]

Nah I mean the one the guy told you to follow

[native needle]

hunter fury build

or striker, but I read striker didnt seem too fun

[shy willow]

Ah

Strikers is a good starting point

[native needle]

saw something about maintaining stacks and it deterred me

[shy willow]

It's right about the most widely used DPS build

In all it's variations

[shy willow]

Slap an auto shotgun on and you needn't worry friend

Most use an ACS-12 to build stacks then switch to their main gun

[hushed gorge]

Maintaining stacks is easy man

[native needle]

yeah maybe after I finish this I'll look into it

[hushed gorge]

Just play like a normal man

And thats it

[rich cosmos]

Personally I just started using an umbra build and I have to say after using it for a bit, I certainly do enjoy it a lot more than strikers on a more fun level

[hushed gorge]

Nice❤️

People have Personal tastes and playstyles

[wise swallow]

Pretty much every meta build is considered boring

not because its actually boring its just because of how often its used

[shy willow]

The best options are generally the most used so they get old

I don't have much experience with umbra but I hear it's pretty good solo at least

[tawdry flare]

Bruh that is why I have sleigher broomstick build

[shy willow]

What on earth

[native needle]

when you do the pentagon mission for the weekly, then realize it wasnt on hard

😄

[tawdry flare]

Yeah HF WITH sleigher broomstick

[shy willow]

Is sleigher there just for the snowball shenanigans

[hushed gorge]

That was quick

[tawdry flare]

Naa I use it actually

[hazy steeple]

Image permissions in the channels are something of a gift to us, they weren't here by default.
If they're used poorly, they can be taken away by the admins.

[hushed gorge]

Oh my bad

I just used it as a meme template
Nothing offensive

[shy willow]

Honestly after the 5.11 shill idk why I didn't expect you to un ironically use sleigher 😭

[hazy steeple]

Offensive stuff would probably get a warning/ban, but just non-build advice stuff is still not allowed overall.
The community server seems to allow them in a bunch of channels if you want to post them.

[hushed gorge]

Do u use Oh Carol also?

[hushed gorge]

Sorry 😑

[shy willow]

Oh carol is excused as it's basically just festive white death

[hushed gorge]

With a fireworks effect

On headshot

[hazy steeple]

no Talent slot though, so it's not exactly "good".

[glossy scarab]

i thought i saw priveleges to post picss can be taken away so please dont ruin it for everyone else

[shy willow]

Not great but certainly more usable than sleigher

[hushed gorge]

Sorry again🫤🥲

[hazy steeple]

Yep that is what I was saying. We've only just got it for community+advice, although I can't really imagine anywhere else it'd be useful.

maybe raid-discussions.

[hushed gorge]

Can u guys add a Gigachad emoji?🫠

Or something like that?

[shy willow]

If you've got nitro can't you use it from another server or something

[hushed gorge]

I am broke asf💀

[rich cosmos]

This server blocks outside emotes

[hushed gorge]

[hushed gorge]

Found an alternative i guess

[glossy scarab]

ok no worries. you learned and we're all moving on. very good

[hushed gorge]

All i used was a gigachad pic thats it

[shy willow]

Ohhh

[hazy steeple]

A meme in the build advice channel.
the issue has been explained already, time to move on.

[glossy scarab]

ok i shouldnt be the arbiter of whats acceptable, i dont want to know the context, leave me out of it

[hushed gorge]

Found it

[hushed gorge]

We re good right now

[native needle]

never seen something spiral so rapidly because of a picture

[shy willow]

Still

Could be worse

[native needle]

oh this is build advice, this whole time I thought it was general chat

[shy willow]

Oh well

[rich cosmos]

I mean, strikers is boring because it has no other gimmick other than being straight up just shooting the enemy

[tawdry flare]

And it is the thing that works for 100% content

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

Regulus only works for like 99% content

[rich cosmos]

Just because its boring doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use it

Its just boring if its the build you do use for all content

[placid cove]

Is there a build revolving around the scorpio? Is it a cc weapon mainly?

[rich cosmos]

Scorpio works on a lot of things

[tawdry flare]

Use it on any build and you are good

[shy willow]

You can drop Scorpio into basically any build and it'll do the job

[tawdry flare]

It is the most versatile weapon in the game arguably

[placid cove]

Even on striker instead of the acs?

[tawdry flare]

It is easy mode than

[shy willow]

If you like sure

[rich cosmos]

I wouldn’t recommend that but you can

[tawdry flare]

Bruh it has world records for legendary it can 1-2 mag legendary chunga on 4 man scaling

[rich cosmos]

I was referring to scorpio on a strikers

[tawdry flare]

I was too

[rich cosmos]

Someone else can easily just use scorpio

[tawdry flare]

It is just a monster build

[flint wave]

elmo

[shy willow]

20 percent damage amp and free cc is great any way you slice it

[tawdry flare]

Way low dps than Scorpio

It literally trashes elmos

[rich cosmos]

Scorpio is better in that regard, elmo doesn’t slot into every build

[flint wave]

it one mags legendary stuff at full striker stack

I don't see the trashing

[tawdry flare]

Even Scorpio does that let me share you

[rich cosmos]

Huh

[flint wave]

You can slot elmo into any dps

even heartbreaker if ur insane cuz of its accuracy

[tawdry flare]

Same for Scorpio and it gives 20% more dps to entire team

[rich cosmos]

Yes, but scorpio works in every single one, and elmos doesn’t

[flint wave]

Cc in general gives more damage to the whole team

[wise swallow]

Every red DPS build is shoot the enemy lol. striker needs to be stacked before it can do damage. thats about as intricate as red builds get lol

[flint wave]

What does elmo not work in

Hunters fury?

Thought that was dominated by another genre of damage

[tawdry flare]

The thing elmos has over Scorpio is range

[shy willow]

If we're getting pedantic ND requires you tag multiple targets to do big damage which is pretty unique

[tawdry flare]

Nd with Scorpio is busted

[rich cosmos]

The reason I say its boring is because it has no gimmick other than shoot the enemy, which puts it on par with every other damage build, even negotiators is more enjoyable because you can visibly see its unique gimmick in action

[flint wave]

nd with elmos exists

[rich cosmos]

Im not saying strikers isn’t good

Im simply saying its pretty boring

[flint wave]

I find it enjoyable to melt anything i look at so each to their own

[tawdry flare]

Here check this out atMNZ

[flint wave]

yes it happens to be good when you're whole team can perfectly spawn camp doors

[shy willow]

To be fair I wasn't expecting 4 man scaled adds to be getting like 3 shot

[flint wave]

I wish all my games could be like that

[flint wave]

200 striker stacks and a dream

[tawdry flare]

Even elmos can't half mag them unless you are hitting heads

[shy willow]

Elmo's has got range and ease of use but yeah damage wise it's not beating records

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio Oreo nemesis regulus are the top 4 weapons that are the absolute monster in the game

Imo

[flint wave]

nemesis lmfao

how did you come up with that

[shy willow]

I prefer white death tbh

[flint wave]

there's gotta be some crazy speedrun highlight you saw that got you that conclusion. Since that's what It seems like your opinions are based on

[shy willow]

Ion think nem is used in speedruns anyway

It's all regulus and m870 and shit

[flint wave]

Nemesis is tac50 when you don't have tac50 ammo

[tawdry flare]

Nope you can achieve everything with nemisis I am talking in consideration every situation

[tawdry flare]

Or have a named NPC to kill

[flint wave]

can't wait for the 5.11 incursion with nemesis

[shy willow]

The charge up is fairly debilitating surely though

[flint wave]

those rushers are gonna be fun

[tawdry flare]

I have retired from 5.11 memeing officially and @urban latch @onyx sage @vestal ibex didn't like my new name

That's

💔

[flint wave]

end of an "era"

now you gotta change ur pfp

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

who pinged me

[unkempt harbor]

Am I the only one that thinks gear locking in PVE will backfire? I test tons of builds, only fun in playing long term. This is going to be bad. Play with lots of randoms, this is just going to incentivize leaving group

[hazy steeple]

I agree that it's a bad call, but from what I understand it's only "during combat", which is kind of confusing, as an enemy wandering nearby outside a building you're in and getting alerted puts you in combat.

If it is anywhere outside of a safezone then I foresee some serious public backlash if the story goes mainstream.

[unkempt harbor]

Yes, how many times have agents already been frustrated by still being in combat when no enemies are around and the game is picking up some outside a mission. I hope the devs reconsider. ☹️

Also, to add - I’m not a speed runner but I know many and they’ve already said they will stop playing since many of the advanced techniques involve switching gear on the fly…

[gentle lichen]

"Bro why did you aggro i didn't switch to regulus"

[onyx sage]

new 2024 speedrunning practice comms be like

[hollow pasture]

Who in the hell complained that the mantis was too overbuffed in the developer notes

I swear they take this feedback from narnia

This feedback seems EXTREMELY sus

Never ever did i see a single soul here complain that they buffed the mantis too much

Feel like they are just listening to the yters at this point

[tulip charm]

I dont get why mantis was buffed in the first place.

Its already a good gun

[hollow pasture]

It needed it especially with m700 buff

I guess they aren't totally reverting it's buff it's more lessening the buff

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Its was already a good gun and it had its place

unlimited decoy is good

[hazy steeple]

It basically auto tracks headshots and has infinite decoys if you use it right, it 100% didn't need a damage buff.

[hollow pasture]

I mean
Nobody was complaining about it tho?
My issue is where the feedback is coming cuz I sure did not see it here or reddit

[hazy steeple]

Few people on here, sure, but this place isn't the only source of convo's about div2.

reddit, community server, ubisoft server, this place, youtube, twitter, etc. There's a fair few.

[hollow pasture]

Well sure but they actively advertised the forum feedback channels here on their twitter for feedback
They don't advertise many other places for it's feedback

[quiet sparrow]

What do you think about HB build with Nightwatcher mask, using pulse on cooldown, then you can use any weapon like st elmos for example.

[tulip charm]

Not good

[vestal ibex]

What you read was not about the live game but the PTS phase 1 last month. Just wanna make sure you don't think they are nerfing the live version.

[tulip charm]

Just use tech laser

[hollow pasture]

Yes I know that trust me I would be absolutely livid if they nerfed the live version

But seems like they are only lessening the buff not outright removing it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, which is fine I guess? idk mantis isn't horrible but mo damage baby.

[hollow pasture]

Oh yea it was never horrible but like 15%-20% buff wouldn't be too bad

Not like it'd break the game

(determined exists for that)

[vestal ibex]

I don't think it would matter much and I'd have to see top damages to know if it's even different at higher damages. New enemy classes type stuff.

[onyx sage]

you know souless, i've always been thinking of the mmr damage buffs in the context of mmr builds mostly until yesterday when i realize i'll appreciate them a lot when i use them in HHF

the white death is already barely hitting enough when i have to snipe the occasional purple, the model 700 is going to guarantee it

[hollow pasture]

Speaking on smth else
I'm very disappointed but not surprised on their stubbornness to not buff the stability / accuracy of certain rifles

[urban latch]

The balance changes pretty much across the board make little sense and are generally just frustrating. It really sucks

[dreamy valve]

cant wait until golden bullet with the Ouro build

[hexed steppe]

ig the sponsorship deal fell through 😭

[hollow pasture]

Why are the ducks getting gear locked
That's not fair

Leave them alone

[hexed steppe]

they fly, swim, dive, and are waterproof. ducks deserve a nerf 👀

[tidal valve]

Meh, obliterate and 100 stacks striker are easy to maintain (personally I use the MPX to deal damage much more and scorpio for hunter stagger)

[native needle]

Mpx / Scorpio good for hunter obliterate build ?

[tidal valve]

Not really since you're soloing in LZ

I'm just talking about hunters in countdown

[native needle]

Well I keep seeing people say good things about mpx

[tidal valve]

Cause currently (maybe) it has the best sustain dps for smg

[native needle]

Just a good roll one or is there a exotic to grab

[tidal valve]

Uh... Just a good role one with optimist talent is enough

Able to get me 1M crit consistently 🤣

[native needle]

Oh jeez that's way more than what I do

I'll have to look into optimist idk what thay is

[tidal valve]

3% weapon damage boost for every 10% ammo in magazine gone

[native needle]

Ohh that one

I didn't think that would be good

[tidal valve]

And since SMG always had 21% crit chance bonus if maxed and 15% crit chance bonus from attachments, you don't have to worry much for crit chance, just dump all in on crit damage

And that is why I love MPX even though the reload is... Meh

There is one thing that left me dumbfounded when I test this build on countdown with close range damage increase. It was the damage output suddenly became bigger like not that "big" But the consistent 3M crit big

[native needle]

Well when I finish my gear I'll have to target smg loot

[strong sphinx]

anyone gotta suggestion for dz build with elmos engine / coyote mask / picaro holster / fox's prayer ?

[delicate laurel]

this combo slaps

[slate wedge]

those pieces plus ceska chest, fenris backpack and contractors

talents would be unbreakable and companion/concussion/vigilance

[random sigil]

how much of a damage loss is using blooksucker instead of vig on standard high end rifle build? trying to work some survivability

[cinder gazelle]

Vigi is a 25% dmg increase so its a pretty big damage loss

[random sigil]

yeaaah, but assuming i'm continually getting shot it's not really active that much right? in solo specifically. totoally use vig in group

the npcs can snipe better thna i can 😦

[cinder gazelle]

Yea but if your all red, you aren't gonna be running around and you might be in cover more

Bloodsucker is better for a aggressive run and gun

[random sigil]

mmmm, yeah, the only thing thats been helping me survive as a rifle build solo is the decoy, but even then, i get easily overrun and killed. esp with the current global event active

[slate wedge]

bloodsucker is being used on solo legendary sniper builds but on rifle idk

[flint wave]

Because vigilance is overkill on mmr in solo

[hexed steppe]

could use memento and get some wd, regen and bonus armor on trophy pickups. good middle ground between vig and bloodsucker

[hexed steppe]

what rifle are you using?

[random sigil]

the M1A classic

[hexed steppe]

could secondary scorpio for shtf scenarios

if using a shield memento also gives 2 tiers

[random sigil]

oh true, ive been using decoy and revive hive

maybe switch the hive to shield?

[onyx sage]

if you can, do it

[random sigil]

trie it a bit in summit, going good so far i think. allows me to shield peak

but dont have the safety of the revive

[onyx sage]

welcome to the no-revive club

[random sigil]

yuuuup, right when i get flanked got wrekd lol

[round zinc]

at least it looks cool

cant say the same for most weapons being inflated by a 50 round mag

[delicate laurel]

its very good for my strikers build

[round zinc]

ehhhhh

isn't it like the weakest AR

[delicate laurel]

i could use my C7 m4 or elmos but those are used too much

[delicate laurel]

i think the fal is

[round zinc]

nah fal has high burst

[delicate laurel]

AKM is def 1 of the better ARs for strained

lower firerate

but hits super hard

esp if you can hit headshots

[hollow pasture]

50 round mag floating on the TKB

[ruby ingot]

What's the meta PvE red build right now? Currently my build from several months ago is
Coyote, 2x Providence with Vigilance and Obliterate, Contractor, Fox, Fenris, Carbine 7 with Flatline and Laser Pointer

[delicate laurel]

strikers

is the go to

hunters fury as well

[round zinc]

HF is ok but you would want HE or Striker for dps

HF is better for roaming and HHF

[delicate laurel]

strikers rn is the meta

[hollow pasture]

HF is my go to for open world

[random sigil]

what's HE?

[round zinc]

not in all places

[hexed steppe]

high end

[random sigil]

OH got it

[delicate laurel]

in most places

[ruby ingot]

How would you build it?

[hexed steppe]

striker and nego are top dps sets. striker top single target damage, nego top multitarget damage

[round zinc]

coyote obliterate ceska chest 4 striker with bag

[flint wave]

Which places

[random sigil]

High End is onyl preferable over strikers if you're unable to maintain constant stacks on strikers, therefore the upfront damage of high end wuld be better right?

[round zinc]

DH final where you cant build stacks last i checked

[ruby ingot]

Not with Striker chestpiece?

[delicate laurel]

i got with coyotes a grupo with olberiate and 4 pc striker so striker kneepads gloves holster and bp

[round zinc]

for group play chestpiece is ok

for solo branded chest is better

[hollow pasture]

Striker chest piece only worth in specific scenarios but is arguably meta for incursion

[hexed steppe]

oblit chest better than strikers if not able to maintain 200 stacks

[round zinc]

cuz normally solo heroic enemies aren't tanky enough for you to sustain 200 stacks

[delicate laurel]

its harder to mantain 200 stacks outside certain activities though

[random sigil]

then either fast hands or strained on AR depending on preference?

[round zinc]

yea thats why i said for group play

[hollow pasture]

If not incursion really not worth running imo

[flint wave]

Obliterate striker is more consistent in 95% of content

[round zinc]

striker chest is best in incursion

[shy willow]

It's really easy to maintain 200 in incursion yeah

[flint wave]

legendary, incursion, heroic countdown are consistent for striker chest being good

[hexed steppe]

if not doing something where single target dps is essential, i always go nego. set is just too good at clearing spawns

[shy willow]

Nego is a set I don't see very often at all which is a shame

[flint wave]

striker just more versatile

[glossy scarab]

i created and endless loop in the firing range with pestilence. it ticking at 1.34 mil and killing elite targets fast enough to keep up my unstoppable force buff indefinitely and it just goes around the room over and over and over without me firing a single shot (except to get the loop started)

[hollow pasture]

I eitheir run ND or ep cc on random legendaries

[flint wave]

Perfect unstoppable or nah

[shy willow]

I striker shield peek or foam on the rare occasion I run leg

[glossy scarab]

yeah

[delicate laurel]

this is my strikers build i swap between ARs

[hollow pasture]

C7 enjoyers rise up

[shy willow]

C7 is my go to if no elmo

[flint wave]

nice beat

[glossy scarab]

lol

[glossy scarab]

love this thing

[hollow pasture]

He's the shooting range dj

[hollow pasture]

Looks slick and cool

[flint wave]

worlds first crit damage attachment

[hollow pasture]

Would look cooler if that fucking mag wasn't so god damn ugly

[glossy scarab]

i dunno why it set it up lilke that

[hollow pasture]

Can we have that 50 round mag on a mag that looks better

[hollow pasture]

Firewall 10% chd attachment

[shy willow]

Weapon attachment transmogs when

[hollow pasture]

Or is it demolitionist

[flint wave]

That should be chd attachments in general

[shy willow]

5 percent CHC is just way too valuable to pass up for 5 CHD

[hollow pasture]

What would make sense and what massive thinks makes sense are 2 polar opposites

[flint wave]

5% chd only makes sense to run on smgs

[shy willow]

Does Msv have no play testers

In house

[flint wave]

probably old content

Like 10% chd as an attribute when 9.5% chc exists

[hollow pasture]

Back in April last year they made an announcement to apply to play test future content and also brought back the ETF so they definitely have it's whether their opinions are good or not

[shy willow]

We've heard your complaints about speedrunning strategies and have therefore decided to ban hot swapping for everyone casual or otherwise - msv

[flint wave]

heard what complaints?

[shy willow]

[hollow pasture]

The complaints that they listed on their article made zero sense

Well some of them

And the ones that made sense they just said uhm actually lol we aren't doing anything about it

We exceeded our weapon balancing budget and we can't add stability to rifles

[flint wave]

oh yeah

[glossy scarab]

i have it set up this way because im using it as a secondary for the pestilence build. it has exactly 58 chc

[flint wave]

making weapons unique with each other with handling differences

[hollow pasture]

Very unique deconstruction fodder

[flint wave]

it worked for ars

until they released elmos

[hollow pasture]

Sure but nobody uses the USC and nobody using it even after getting buffed

So will it really work

30% M16 BUFF wooooo

[shy willow]

The playing field will be more competitive but it'll probably still be the usual suspects

[hollow pasture]

Maybe they are cooking up a rifle gearset for season 3

[shy willow]

That'd be interesting

[hollow pasture]

Guess we'll find out next weekend in phase 2

[random sigil]

yes please, more rifle build diversity would be very welcome

[hollow pasture]

I mean we have 2 mmr gear sets
And no rifle gear sets

Kinda unfair

[random sigil]

ya

and i like playing rifles without scopes

scopes make me feel like i might as well use a MMR anyway

[hollow pasture]

The only exotic rifle we have is the mid diamondback or the niche situations ravenous

[random sigil]

i think there's merciless too right?

[hollow pasture]

Ah yes
Forgot that

[shy willow]

Merciless may as well not exist tbh

[random sigil]

true

theres doctor home also

[shy willow]

And ruthless but that also doesn't exist

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, m1a classic just feels the best

not a fan of 1886 either

[shy willow]

Boomerang/rifleman classic m1a my go to on high end

[hollow pasture]

Honestly I used the weird UIC mod rifle and it felt somewhat good

[random sigil]

ive been using boomerang

[shy willow]

If only it had better handling

[hollow pasture]

But I did just slap it on a hotshot build so it had stability

[random sigil]

or spotter flatline sometimes, but i like using gunslinger specialization with rifle high end build

[random sigil]

yeaaah

[shy willow]

Me personally I want the lvoa and lwm4 to stop pretending to be semi auto precision rifles

[random sigil]

lol

i have still yet to try the ND with rifle tho, heard that was not bad

[hollow pasture]

Diamondback ND is what I've used for diamondback tbh

[shy willow]

You can have some fun with diamondback

[random sigil]

ill give it a try

would you still use glass cannon and vig with nd?

[shy willow]

Backpack is a must on ND

Chest is preference

[onyx sage]

no, chest is never run, bp is optional

if you mean glass cannon then yes that's preference, but ND chest is never run

[shy willow]

Yeah 5 marks is a bit much

But wouldnt the mark damage from BP be invaluable

[onyx sage]

bp increase only beats vig when you deal damage to 3 at once

[ruby ingot]

Is Heartbreaker no longer popular/meta? (For PvE)

[onyx sage]

there is a valid argument that when there are 3 or less enemies vig isn't as worth it tho, so that's why i said it's optional

[onyx sage]

it is popular still, but never meta

[shy willow]

The flat 2 stack dip per second hurts it

[onyx sage]

also inability to stack on skill proxies

[ruby ingot]

And meta is still Striker?

[onyx sage]

yes, for dps

[shy willow]

Huhhhh you can't already do that?

Oh yeah pulse

[onyx sage]

you can pulse them, but you can't stack on them

your existing stacks still do extra damage on them, but you can't gain more by shooting them

[shy willow]

Ohh

[onyx sage]

imagine shooting and pulsing a minitank and screwing yourself over because it's the first target you hit

[random sigil]

got it thanks. then the other piece would be either coyote or fox prayer?

[onyx sage]

coyote if running bp, if not it depends

if running obliterate make sure it's ceska+grupo, if running focus it's ceska bp + pristine example chest

[random sigil]

mmm i dont think id run obl with a rifle tho

maybe coyote with ceska gc?

[onyx sage]

works

[random sigil]

what specialization do you guys prefer when using rifles?

[shy willow]

Specialisation is purely preference but I see most using firewall or technician

[random sigil]

mmm, i still have not unlocked firewall lol

im still stuck on the level 4 research or whatever it is

[tawdry flare]

If you are using rifles make sure you invest into +15% rifles in spec

[shy willow]

The y1 pass came in clutch for me

[random sigil]

oh yes, for sure

i usually default to gunslinger just for the aok and ammo

will i get kicked if i try to go into countdown with a rifle build lol?

[shy willow]

Most don't care what build you run on challenging at least

Unless you're t6 offensive skill build; that'd be a problem

[random sigil]

oh yeah cause itll be team suicide witht he hunters lol*

[flint wave]

It's a shame classified assignments can only be completed once a week

[shy willow]

I don't really understand why thats a thing tbh

The locations are really cool but painfully underused

Nightclub was a standout

[flint wave]

Half the hyena missions in this whole game are in the assignments

[shy willow]

Come to think of it endgame is literally just BT and true sons and now cleaners with PL

The rest fall off

[flint wave]

We killed emeline and some of the hyena council so it makes sense

[shy willow]

Rikers fell off too but Barrett was already dead by WONY

[flint wave]

waiting for riker incursion

[shy willow]

Can't wait for another incursion tbh

PL is getting dryyy

[tawdry flare]

Like stolen signal

[fallen comet]

Clear sky too

[shy willow]

I forgot clear sky is fast as hell

[wraith spire]

Hey if I'm doing a technician heart stopper build is it better to run the hearstopper chestpiece for the increased stacks or to use the named Closer chest with the Perfect Spotter talent?

higher potential stacks versus upfront 20% damage

[tulip charm]

Run chest

You also get more bonus armor to play with

[wraith spire]

so run both the chest and backpack is what you'd say?

[tulip charm]

Wait

[wraith spire]

backpack makes the armor bonus go from 1% per stack to 2%

chest just increases stack count from 50 to 100

[tulip charm]

No just run chest

[wraith spire]

aight

any backpacks you'd recommend? I was probably going to run coyotes for my exotic

[hexed steppe]

youll want ceska vigilance and coyote for best potential dps. its very crit starved

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[wraith spire]

I think I have a good devils due from ceska

don't know if I have anything rolled with vigilance from them tho

[tulip charm]

It shouldnt be too hard to get a decent ceska backpack from countdown.

[hexed steppe]

youll want vigilance. one benefit of heartbreaker for vigilance, hits to the bonus armor dont deavtivate vigilance

[vivid idol]

do i need FI backpack for healer build?

[hexed steppe]

no, you want a bag with opportunistic for the team buff

[shy willow]

Generally it's run with the chest

[tawdry flare]

You can get one alps bag with repair skill haste with opportunistic

[shy willow]

If you can get a unicorn setup that works too

[tawdry flare]

Or get a setup with repair skill haste and reroll core to yellow

[hexed steppe]

the setup is ideal, and the blueprint probably still drops from heroic control point cache after complete

[tawdry flare]

Or get a normal setup reroll one attribute to repair skill and use technician

[tawdry flare]

Nope they fixed it in a day

[hexed steppe]

what day?

[tawdry flare]

The next day

It bugged

[hexed steppe]

they were available for weeks... probably still are. patch notes or it didnt happen 😅

[tawdry flare]

Stealth Nerf

[hexed steppe]

doubt.

[placid cove]

Since you get the Iron Lung for free from the pass, is it any good? I almost never see LMG's in builds

[tulip charm]

Its pretty good terrible talent tho

Its just that there’s better options imo

[hexed steppe]

highest base damage lmg

[placid cove]

Too bad about the talent then

I'm playing around with the hotshot build. I should use coyote mask with chainkiller right?

[vivid idol]

which is better skill haste or repair skill?

[tulip charm]

For what

[tulip charm]

No

[night remnant]

Repair skill

[vivid idol]

healer

[ruby ingot]

So I just made a PvE Striker build and I chose Striker chestpiece + backpack with Fenris and Ceska, with Carbine 7 with Flatline, and Rock 'n Roll, any possible improvements?

[tulip charm]

You need both

[tulip charm]

Coyotes and ceska chest with obliterate. You dont need chest unless you’re doing incursion, raids, and leg.

Hopefully you’re running technician for that flatline

[vivid idol]

what's the ratio

[ruby ingot]

Thanks, didn't think about Coyote

[slate wedge]

new pvp mortar build hehe

[stiff jasper]

No tdi, use double barrel

Then roll chest to yellow core

[slate wedge]

why the double barrel?

just more toxicity?

also getting a chest like that is extremely hard haha

[vivid idol]

if i wanna play legendary, negotiator dilemma or striker is better? large horde high hp enemies

[stiff jasper]

You using glass cannon, you are crispy so armor are useless for you since you stay safe and control mortar

Also you can get 12% dta from double barrel , but tdi giving you 170000 armor which is useless for your build

[patent fossil]

Both are strong choices. Obviously strikers is better for bosses though.

[slate wedge]

i would 100% use the double barrel but sadly my build doesn't allow me yet

i could make a second version tho with a wyvern chest and contractors

cause i got those pieces

[stiff jasper]

Of course you can, personally i don't think pulse resistance help a lot with mortar build since your teammates suppose to protect you, but not leave you alone and you hiding

[slate wedge]

yeah thought of it as a sneaky build version for conflict

[stiff jasper]

Yes for conflict, or using decoy instead shield in dz, but you will getting hard to protect your mortar from emp

[stiff jasper]

Irregular build need more time to farm unique item but it worthy especially running those build with correct time

[slate wedge]

i am 100% disrupt resistant

[stiff jasper]

I know you are immune to disrupt but not your mortar , whatever you 10% or 100%, your mortar still affects by emp , so you need to pick up and deploy again to reset it

When you go reset it, means you may explode on enemy gun lines, that's why u need shield

[slate wedge]

that's true but it's not that bad as mortar has a low cooldown

[stiff jasper]

Sticky are potential and bigger threat than pulse if you haven't notice that your mortar get jam and cancel it

[hexed steppe]

Wouldn't the double barrel sidearm be redundant since there are already 2 shotguns on the build

[cursive barn]

How are the EP builds in the spreadsheet for solo/duo gameplay? Fire seems a bit slow/inconsistent to apply (skill issue) so was thinking about the CC build, but looks like it might lack some damage for solo heroic stuff?

[fickle light]

Both of em will be pretty slow and if an enemy runs up on you and you are out of skills, you'll be on the ground in no time flat

[hollow pasture]

CC ep foam is not a build I'd run on solo heroic tbh

CC fire on heroic is better

[fickle light]

For duo stuff though its workable, but dont expect to be top of the damage charts

[hollow pasture]

Ep fire oops

[cursive barn]

I just got the vile mask so I kinda wanted to incorporate that and EP Fire did seem the most viable, but maybe I should look for something more survivable

[hexed steppe]

Definitly lacks damage on heroic. Team based it great. Cc ep goes a long way in a duo/team... especially if you use it to debuff enemies as well as cc them

[hollow pasture]

Vile on ep fire
No vile on ep cc

[fickle light]

In general, for solo stuff either a straight DPS build and decent game knowledge or a bruiser type build if your game knowedge isnt the best

[cursive barn]

aight, might try CC EP for duo then, shame about missing out on vile tho

[hexed steppe]

Ep fire damage can be severely ramped up though if you embrace a risky approach.
Ep bag + glass/perfect glass ticks really hard.
Ep for can also double dip status effects and skill damage

So status rolls+cap can be a lot. Fire also uses dta and cap has 12% dta

[hexed steppe]

You can run standard ep with fire sticky and foam in a team. It works well and you'll still have strong fire and vile ticks

Add survivalist and lefty. sledge+damage to status buff your team...

[cursive barn]

sounds like a fun variant, nice!

I think I have a lefty somewhere in my stash, and throw in the capacitor for some range

[hexed steppe]

There is a lot of ways to run it.
I run opportunistic on my cc instead of creeping death that* is always suggested. It's all debuff and cc, not a ton of damage from my stuff.
Survivalist damage to status 10%
Sledge 30-40% damage towards armor and armor plates
Scorpio increased damage amp 20%
Opportunistic amp 15% iirc

Team melts stuff once something is hit

[cursive barn]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwNgtAjATG4AyWJOEwPWzHsC4IHZIYJUEIkAOLa7GnAFiWmvOSVo7uec95qxzAqPfn16DCIsaLpQhYGAE5JAVlQQVTFcRX1ReKnsV7p6HFHoxTs8ypm5S9tEA

Something like this maybe?

[hollow pasture]

If using cc ep the habsburg named BP is better as it has perfect creeping death

[tawny belfry]

For an explosive grenade build, what chest is better. (Perfectly) Mad Bomber talent or Collector exotic?

Mad Bomber is a bit confusing for me because there is no meter how 'far' you're cooking grenades

[placid cove]

Are tanky builds worth it for heroic+2-3 directives in the overworld? Or is the basic striker/hotshot still the fastest/easiest? Was wondering about the tanky bruiser builds with reduced damage from elites.

[flint wave]

Hybrids if you do it right are easier

like putting memento on 2-3 blue core striker

Determined is busted tho so if you only care about speed then do that

[placid cove]

I have a hotshot setup but i don't do enough damage yet for heroic, it works fine on challenging though outside of those fully armored minigunners

Sadly i don't have memento yet. Gotta farm some backpacks then

[bright raptor]

You want (Perfect) Headhunter anyway as on Heroic it's what allows you to chain oneshots by starting with a basic red enemy

[hexed steppe]

Add lefty or stage left in place of the famas and benefit from perfect sledge. You wont be doing a ton of damage anyways but having that debuff helps the entire team as well as yourself. Survivalist fire nade procs it very easily.
Eletrique easier to farm than golan, but if creeping is desired I agree with above, farm the unicorn HG courier bag with perfect creeping

[bright raptor]

you can "hybrid" but outside of core rerolling gearsets other than Striker it's always a ton of effort spent farming for stuff that's a testament to you taking bad advice from people on the Internet because they @ pinged you on Discord

I assembled a Backfire build that leaves me bleed immune and nearly totally immune to other status effects. Technically it it's a hybrid, and I also would not recommend farming it unless you are totally out of things to do with the game

[bright raptor]

I think that MXSWAT might have been made before Electrique was introduced and made Golan obsolete for status effect minmaxing

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt change the advice 😉

On a cc could technically run golan and eletrique if not the habsburgh

[bright raptor]

or ditching Vile if using a fire skill

[hexed steppe]

We always got the unicorns to farm 😅

[bright raptor]

maybe someday I'll get a Status Effects/Skill Damage courier, I got a near max Status Effects roll and decided it was enough

[hexed steppe]

Yeah vile gotta go. Just noticed that was there

Funny thing I dont run either brand on my CC 😂

Status immune cc ep for countdown.

[stiff jasper]

No

[shy willow]

The selector switch broke

[native needle]

What skills do you guys like to use with striker, finding myself having some survivability problems sometimes

[hazy steeple]

If you're using Gunner with it, then the gunner pulse is really nice, of course you should be using a shield of some sort, probably Crusader/Firewall, depending on your Spec.

some people like Reviver Hive as the other skill, but I don't like relying on it. Mostly your damage is coming from your guns, skills are just there to help in niche situations, overall.

[native needle]

I am using gunner currently mostly just because of the free stats, are the shields good ?

[gentle lichen]

Shield and defender drone for me

[native needle]

Are the shields what I see those big cones everywhere or is that something else

[gentle lichen]

Very much so

[hazy steeple]

Crusader is a must for Striker, the Firewall Shield (which gives the big cone) is the same skill but gives a bonus to DPS.
so ymmv.

[native needle]

And crusader is just a shield i assume ? What makes it special

[hazy steeple]

Crusader is one of the 3 shields, the other 2 are Bulwark and the deflector one.

[gentle lichen]

You can use every weapon on it except for lmgs snipers and spec weapons

With firewall shield however you can use the flamethrower while using shield

[native needle]

Ok cool I'll look into that, probably more useful than cluster drone, at least for countdown

[thorny ice]

With this current build that I have with elmo's, can I try incursion? Or need more Crit, weapon dmg and armor?

My SHD level is quite low, 74 now

[hexed steppe]

Post a screenshot of the build, stats are kinda useless unless its known what you are using

[hearty solar]

what build should I use at lvl 23 just started playing and wanna get my first case from dz

[hexed steppe]

23 on base game or 23 shd?

[hearty solar]

base game

[thorny ice]

it's a 4pc strikers with coyote

[hexed steppe]

Builds are going to be limited at that level. Also you'll probably only encounter npc so probably just red core stats and an ar.
After wony dz builds are a lot more specific

[shy willow]

Swap the grupo for ceska and possibly swap the blue for a red

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it looks decent but I agree ceska and red cores

[shy willow]

Incursion is very dps reliant and a blue core isn't gonna do too much cuz you get shredded anyway

[gentle lichen]

Due to low crit i'd suggest ceska mask instead of coyote as another in group may give the coyote buff to them

[thorny ice]

what is an acceptable crit? 50+?

[gentle lichen]

50%+ for crit chance and as high as you can get for crit damage

[thorny ice]

If I can max out my CR through SHD, I can get 50+ SHD tbh

[hearty solar]

this is what I'm running

[hushed gorge]

Try to finish WONY asap

Then make builds

[tulip charm]

Dont even worry about builds when you complete the story

[tulip charm]

Has base only

[hollow pasture]

Out of a proficiency cache
Not gonna complain

[shy willow]

Pretty damn good

[tepid trout]

You can't make one at that level rly

[thorny ice]

Btw coming back to this, should I run gunner specialization with this? or would you recommend something else?

[shy willow]

Completely preference

Technician for the skill tier and pulse laser if you run flatline

Firewall for the striker shield

Gunner for AOK and ammo regen

Gunner also has banshee pulse but I seldom see it around now

[thorny ice]

I use the banshee pulse to disorient anyone and kill them if I need to.

Especially on paradise lost during the second encounter, I handle all the top left enemies and if there are many I use the banshee pulse to disorient them

[tepid trout]

I just run a jammer

[shy willow]

Top left and top right should be running jammer ideally

[tepid trout]

2 on each can keep them perma jammed

[thorny ice]

So jammer pulse and shield is it?

[shy willow]

Pretty much

[tepid trout]

Normally

[onyx sage]

if you believe in yourself you can run emp sticky

[shy willow]

You can hit drones with those?

[royal nimbus]

if you're brave enough yes

[tepid trout]

If you tap LT and its red it will garyanteed hit even if they move a bit

[onyx sage]

yeah it's hitscan

i always quick fire tho

[royal nimbus]

reminds me that I hadn't disabled ping motifs yet

[gentle lichen]

If your free aim camera centers at the skill before shooting it will lock in as some sort of aim assist

Don't know if it applies to pc tho

[cursive barn]

Nooo, not my vile 😭

[dreamy valve]

Seems like 9/10 players use strikers when I match make for content now

[gentle lichen]

This is what happens when a game introduces a god tier set that has best single target dps with little to no downsides

[wise swallow]

they didnt introduce anything

strikerr has been around forever

they just removed the stack loss per missed shot

[hazy steeple]

I mean, Striker wasn't in the base game so it was introduced, technically.

WONY Season 1, y2, iirc.

[gentle lichen]

Hasn't been that powerful until they made the 0.65 on bag become 1

That's when it got ridiculous

[bright raptor]

and also made the stacks actually worth it compared to before the buff

[gentle lichen]

But it changed to additive so there's that

[wise swallow]

it was fairly strong even before that

i missed around with it and it was still strogner then most other single target builds that per miss stack loss just killed it

[hazy steeple]

Wasn't it buffed very early on? I distinctly recall that.

[wise swallow]

they buffed it a few times but never in a meaningful way

with the missed shot stack loss it basically stayed bad

but when i could actually stack it the DPS was crazy

but even with fairly good aim it was just too easy to lose stacks

[gentle lichen]

Watch devs put loss stack on miss and find everyone dissing on striker

It's a gamble literally the striker talent is called that

Where's the gamble if you don't lose anything on miss

[wise swallow]

they just made it way to strong

2:1 would be nice (2 gain 1 loss)

[patent fossil]

2:1 works well in Div1

[gentle lichen]

Classified striker was also ridiculously easy to maintain

[wise swallow]

well yea but 1:1 is shit and 1:0 is wildly unbalanced

[gentle lichen]

I'd say they go with what they got rn (1stack lost on miss from 0 to 50. 2stack loss on miss from 51 to 100)

3 from 101 to 200

[wise swallow]

that would make it useless again

[manic stream]

Whats a recommended Countdown build for solo que? First timer

[cinder gazelle]

Striker, Heartbreaker, all red crit

These all work well for me

[manic stream]

All red is enough survivability?

[cinder gazelle]

I am able to use it. I don't need armor to facetank npcs but if you want survivability and damage, then you should use Heartbreaker because it gives you armor and damage from attacking pulsed targets. If you don't have the technician unlocked, it can be a pain to use. If you don't have it unlocked use striker and use a few armor cores

[manic stream]

I have technician and will use linked laser HB first. Thanks

[quiet sparrow]

Can you recommend any good build with ouroboros, ideally that stacks bonus armor for surviveability?

[onyx sage]

crit hunter's fury, but using bloodsucker instead of vigilance backpack?

[wise swallow]

hunters fury and vigi???????????

that doesnt make a whole lot of sense lol

I get shield but at the same time aggersive run and gun gearset with vigi

[hollow pasture]

I just use memento

But I only run HF solo open world with oreo so

[raven bear]

welcome to headhunter's fury gang

[onyx sage]

HHF my beloved

[onyx sage]

you should try running this one time

[wise swallow]

that looks incredibly goofy

im trying it

[onyx sage]

it's speedrun meta atm

[wise swallow]

regulus not the meta anymore?

[onyx sage]

eh? no? regulus meta

[quartz yarrow]

Relatively new player, only 100hrs or so. Have a few AR/SMG focused builds(my preference) that handle Challenging content perfectly fine. Strikers, Hunters, Heart etc. Looking to progress into Heroic and Legendary. Would like to stick with ARs if I can. See lots of videos on YouTube handling it fine but struggle myself. Instead of farming for 'perfect rolls' would my time be better spent on grinding watch levels at this point? Only level 126 or so.

[shy willow]

Nah watch level aint make or break

Strikers is a great start point

[quartz yarrow]

Currently running 4pce strikers, memento and oblierate backpack(Ceska I think). I do OK up until Heroic then things get messy. And no chance of doing anything legendary. Aside from Countdown I'm focused on Solo at the moment.

I have been struggling to get a decent AR though. However did get St Elmos last night which seems to be helping.

[shy willow]

Most will run a variation of this

[quartz yarrow]

Thanks. I do have a Coyotes, haven't tried it yet.

[tawdry flare]

@wasted decoy mats

[onyx sage]

testing

[flint wave]

wasted white death mats

[tawdry flare]

10% makes a difference definitely

[fiery swift]

does anyone have any recomendations for a good equipment build?

gadget build

im new to trying to make builds

i got the funny blue gloves

[shy willow]

Data gloves are mainly used on future initiative healer builds

[fiery swift]

i see

so useless by myself

[tawdry flare]

You can use them if you are using a hive

The overcharge is handy

[junior surge]

Btsu gloves are good everytime you run a hive. For example I run a skill build with assault turret and stinger hive sometimes, and I also have btsu gloves on. The repair skills don't do anything for me, but I get the hive charges back much quicker, and I have the ability to overcharge if needed.

Generally if you want to make a skill damage build, your base will be 3pc empress, 1 wyvern. The other two items are up to you, you can use waveform, btsu gloves, hana-u, china light (for explosive skills), murakami (skill duration can be useful for turrets and oxis, can also use emperors guard, or even memento or sacrifice.

[flint wave]

Teammates need to take advantage of that overcharge more

but no, revive hive

.

[junior surge]

Overcharge is especially good when they run revive hives though, that cooldown reset is huge

[fiery swift]

ssounds like im going to spend some happy time in the summit

[flint wave]

That's like raid exclusive

[tawdry flare]

They are using shield they become invulnerable to DMG

[fiery swift]

Overcharge is armor?

i havnt done a single raid yet, i tried but failed :(

i want to get a build so i can be strong enough to raid

[junior surge]

Overcharge is a sort of buff. It basically makes your skills better than even skill tier 6. If you have the btsu gloves, you can give that buff to everyone in your team.

[fiery swift]

oh yeah

he said overcharge is raid exlusive

so i was confused if it was a armor peice named such

[flint wave]

These guys need to run pulses and decoy also

[shy willow]

It also resets everyone’s skills which is especially useful for squad mates running revive hives

[junior surge]

Only btsu gloves reset skills though

[tawdry flare]

Oc pulse 15% amp

[flint wave]

I said overcharging revivers use case are raid exclusive because the limited revives there

[fiery swift]

i have a rail rquipment that pulses

[flint wave]

yeah. Way better then giving a dead man walking an extra life

[shy willow]

I mean I never see Acosta or whatever the other one is energise?

[fiery swift]

this is a lot more difficult than destiny builds XD

[junior surge]

Acostas is used here an there

[flint wave]

Banshee pulse OC is my favorite

[shy willow]

Oxis id imagine

[junior surge]

Oxis mainly, yea

but you can also use it for oc scanner for a boss burn

or achilles

[flint wave]

Acosta bag high end status banshee pulse is the alternative cc build

[junior surge]

Furure perfect is also a way but I personally don't see it used

[fiery swift]

i have the ninja backpack that does recorsceful, would that be helpful for anything ~~future perfect is awesome~~

[junior surge]

The talent almost never makes up the loss of an actual backpack talent sadly

[flint wave]

its really cool in solo but in groups my kills keep getting stolen

[shy willow]

Helpful for something yes, helpful in itself no

[fiery swift]

its good for doing other things but i mean build potential

[junior surge]

Backpack talents are really strong, and with ninjabag you're giving them up for some attributes. It's pretty much never worth it

[shy willow]

Theres all kinds of dumb hybrids but in terms of effectiveness its not really good

[fiery swift]

kay

[flint wave]

the only time I saw ninjabike not be a liability was red future initiative

[junior surge]

Red setup would be way better on that build though

And you're also sacrificing coyotes

[fiery swift]

i have a red coyote build kinda thing but i hate how easy i am to be killed with it

[flint wave]

You can't have access to heal chem that can one tick full heal an average dps by using setup

While still having a good red fi

I was using elmo and ouro too btw not scorpio

So setup was useless in this anyway

[shy willow]

Do people on red fi run red attributes too or spec into repair skills

[flint wave]

I had repair skills on 2/3 of my red fi

800k burst healing per chem with the only other skill tier being the picaro holster. Which makes 2 skill tiers with the brandset combination

[junior surge]

Safeguard would give you that and allow you to run more red

[flint wave]

All my pieces were red except the picaro which can't have 2 reds

[fiery swift]

i die a lot so i hve the reviver hive glued to me like its an addiction

i ussed to run around with a sheild but then stopped at some point then removed the armor i had for it, i really liked that one too

ii survived well with that

[shy willow]

If youre tryna go snipers run a couple hotshot pieces

[fiery swift]

what i want most right now is some survivability so i dont go down in the first 2 minutes of combat

[bright raptor]

to start things off, you have to figure out what you want to use and how, as the Petrov knees brand bonus does nothing for you as is

[shy willow]

4 Piece hotshot gives bonus armor on headshot kill chains

[fiery swift]

i have those as they where the best pure mainstat reds i had at my disposal. I think i might see with what naval has got and make a hotshot build. have a nice sniper thing for when i want it and having some healing abck would be great. BUT, what i want is something that still allows me to output decent damage and survive a taking a couple of hits or easily gives me back armor. ive been thinking about putting on the survivalist crossbow because of the healball being nice but the splitter mines are just so helpful

[bright raptor]

your other option is to lean into the shotgun and make a Hunter's Fury build

[fiery swift]

i heard something about a hunters fury build a while back

dont remember what though, would it pair well with a shield

[junior surge]

Extremely well. Best shield is the striker shield from firewall imo. It's a very strong combo, since it's all cqb focused.

[fiery swift]

but i cant use the shotgun in my shield with it hmmm, it would be a good thing to go with my pyromaniac ar as well tho

[junior surge]

What do you mean? Striker shield can be used with everything except lmgs and mmrs

[fiery swift]

i thought you where talking about hte sheild that pairs with the flamthrower

X-X

[junior surge]

Yes, that's the striker shield

You can use all shotguns, smgs, ars, rifles and sidearms with it

[fiery swift]

should i dive into Blue or Yellow with it?

maybe give a goodspread of both/

[junior surge]

If you run hunters fury, mostly red with maybe 2-3 blue cores

All red minor attributes though

[bright raptor]

there is no real reason to run yellow with Hunters

Outside of Memento giving you a skill tier, attempting to 2/2/2 is just the fast track to getting blamed for why the group is doing badly

[fiery swift]

SO do minor atributes have any changes alongside what they are already doing?

[ocean badge]

Anyone know of any good EB builds for PVP/DZ

[vivid idol]

what's chest piece good for negotiator dilemma build?

[hexed steppe]

grupo or ceska depending on chc need.
oblit, spotter, or glass

[fiery swift]

damn hunters fury looks like an absolutely nasty perk line

[vivid idol]

talent?

[hexed steppe]

oblit, spotter, or glass

depends on weapons

[fiery swift]

does... sheild damage work to build up catharsis?

[tawdry flare]

Yup

[fiery swift]

rurrrrrr

[gentle lichen]

Think of it as mini foundry

[shy willow]

What was that 3/2/1 build

[tawdry flare]

3hotshot 2 hapsburg 1 airaldi with vigilance headhunter

[shy willow]

Gotcha

[tawdry flare]

It was headhunter instead of chain killer I mistyped 😅

[shy willow]

Ohh so no chain killer this time

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause you already got 6 pcs 2 hapsburg are unicorns you need one with headshot handling headhunter or vigilance for the bag

Let me show the build I use

[slate nest]

its cooking time 😋

[tawdry flare]

@shy willow

[placid cove]

For doing all the Summit stuff with all the directives, is the hotshot or the foundry bulwark tank build better suited?

[tepid trout]

I have an open world sniper huild with ninjabike bag, 1 airaldi (headhunter), 1 habsburg 2 hotshot and 1 aces

Hsd and handling

[tired ravine]

Morning people

[tepid trout]

Morning

[tired ravine]

Does anyone know if 13% protection from elites mods still exist?

[tepid trout]

They don't for me that's for sure but they can drop

[tired ravine]

What would have the highest dropchange on targeted loot

i assume open world and story missions

[tepid trout]

Summit legendary with as many directives as possible

[tired ravine]

Alright, all directives it is

[tepid trout]

Open world/missions is one of the worst ways

Countdown is an easier alternative

And produces more lower quality drops

[tired ravine]

I assumed since you can't pick a loot of choice in openworld it would be higher

[tepid trout]

Nope

Directives give a slight buff but besides that everything is even pretty much

[tired ravine]

alright, good to know. Haven't played in a while. I played on xbox for 5 years and switched to pc so i gotta grind everything again. I had a build on console with 91% protection from elites and 1 million dmg crits

Trying to make it again

Maybe i'll change a few things to improve it

[tepid trout]

You can get 82 pretty easily

[tired ravine]

true

[tepid trout]

94 is doable with a chill out

Though cap is there

[tired ravine]

YEP i love it

100% protection from elites would be awesome

but they will nerf it when that ever happens

[tepid trout]

It caps out b4 then

[olive badger]

80%

[tepid trout]

Yup

[tired ravine]

It caps at 80?

[olive badger]

yes

[tired ravine]

Damn, i had 94 on console a long time ago. Makes sense that there is a cap tho

6x 13% would be 78. Close enough

Lets me stack more damage

I'll get to it, thanks for the help

[tepid trout]

7x 13 = 91 +10% from cbow

@tired ravine

Already would be possible if no cap

[tired ravine]

Damn, that would be op

[tepid trout]

2.1m with 100%pfe

[vivid idol]

what secondaries usually use for ND?

[hexed steppe]

Ar/rifle combo generally

M1a variants.
Could also scorpio if running a high end ar

[random cliff]

Hi, i'm looking to get back into the game after years of not playing it. Are there groups/clans out there that can guide me throught all the new features, things to do, and help me update the old Y1 builds to the newer ones?

I have alot of free time so i can spend nearly whole day playing the game. So ideally looking for an active community to run raids and everything else

[tepid trout]

Depends

Boomer HH diamondback is meta

Open world an ar

Ih rav d50 or rifle reg

[vivid idol]

i'm using oreo

[shy willow]

I gotta work on getting those unicorns it seems

How much damage should I be expecting at max stacks

[patent fossil]

Check #td2-clan-recruitment for clans. For builds and some guides check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel.

[shy willow]

Probably a rifle, m1a as mentioned and Diamondback are nice options

[hollow pasture]

It's a pain in the ass let me tell you

That fucking brand set is a mess to get the right rolls on

[shy willow]

So far it's been blue and yellow attributes all the time

[tawdry flare]

26 or 26 million iirc

[patent fossil]

That's quite a large range

[hollow pasture]

Lmao

It eitheir tickles them or nukes them

[cedar tapir]

[shy willow]

As long as it'll one shot heroic nameds

[cedar tapir]

What build

[patent fossil]

@cedar tapir ^

But solo you can still one shot heroic nameds without needing the unicorn pieces, I just use Chainkiller and 4pc hotshot

[shy willow]

Actually I've always wondered how good it does scaled up to groups

Like what's the highest you can go while one shotting everything

[tired ravine]

I'm 1 shotting everything in heroic except these juggernaut like enemies

[tawdry flare]

Let me go to range and give the exact number in descent rn waiting for 1/19

[tired ravine]

I found a way to possibly get 400% headshot dmg

[patent fossil]

Probably not worth it, stacking one multiplier extra high is generally worse than getting a few different ones

One of the reasons chunga helmets are so tough is because you don't get your hsd multiplier against them

[tired ravine]

My white death is at 1.3 mil

I already hit 25 mil and my build has a lot of room for improvement

[patent fossil]

But sure, run 3 improv with hsd mods and you could likely stack it super high

[tired ravine]

True but i run my build a lot different than most sniper builds

[cedar tapir]

Heroic named is 47m in 4 man group

You need 17m for elite heroic 4 man

[tired ravine]

not if the enemy has no helmet. Than you hit them directly on their health and ignore the armor

[shy willow]

Ah so the named ones will be a problem but elites are fine

Actually maybe nem would work for nameds

[tired ravine]

I have a way of using my secondary to rip their helmet off while keeping my damage on my main weapon. After i popped the helmet boom, dead

[shy willow]

Hitting helmets drops HH stacks iirc

[hollow pasture]

Mine is hitting for just shy of 27 million

Mantis for 22 million

[tired ravine]

The way i do it i keep my stacks

[tawdry flare]

@shy willow @patent fossil 27547504 DMG with Max hh cap

[shy willow]

For mantis that ain't even too shabby I might have to try it

I hear expertise scales really well on snipers too

[cedar tapir]

Yes

[hollow pasture]

Lemme check my nemesis

[tawdry flare]

Nemisis is 57762464 for me

[shy willow]

58 mil goddamn

[tawdry flare]

Lvl 10 nemisis btw

And crits are 59496036

[hollow pasture]

53684764 for me with no expertise

[cedar tapir]

Try with stacks and Achilles headshot

[tawdry flare]

106340072 with lvl1 Achilles

[shy willow]

Jesus

[cedar tapir]

Without stacks?

Should be higher with stacks and headshot Achilles

[tawdry flare]

That's 106 million

[tawdry flare]

Idts this is solo Tier 0 nemisis

[hollow pasture]

105916 smth

For me

[cedar tapir]

Did you get headshot weak point?

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[cedar tapir]

Full headhunter stack?

[hollow pasture]

105916784

Yep

[cedar tapir]

Weird

Should be like 200m

[tawdry flare]

That is with sledgehammer and oc Achilles

And a bunch of other buffs

[hollow pasture]

Yea

Lemme see mantis achilles

52 million

I could expertise my snipers but at this point we are less than a month away from expertise upgrade reduction costs so no thanks

[cedar tapir]

Mmr meta will shift

Model 700 will overtake wd it seems

[hollow pasture]

Anyways speaking of
Best talent for model 700 that isn't determined

[shy willow]

Ranger or optimist or something

[cedar tapir]

Ammo talent

[hollow pasture]

Well ranger I have Ekims

[cedar tapir]

Cause slow reload

Lucky shot, boomerang, etc

[hollow pasture]

A utility talent would be good too maybe

Preservation or future

[hollow pasture]

Optimist if running 4 piece hotshot gets countered lol
You'll have to miss on purpose

Cuz of the hotshot talent

[hexed steppe]

Until fixed itll still be determined 😅

[hollow pasture]

Nah I'm good

I do not like using determined

[tawdry flare]

Determined is just so much better in terms of utility 😂 I don't use it though except for memeing

[patent fossil]

use determined but aim for headshots regardless

[shy willow]

Aiming for the body is probably bad for muscle memory lol

But also probably the best way to use determined

[patent fossil]

yeah, feels like I'm training myself into bad habits when I use it

[hexed steppe]

I contemplated using insync after determined is fixed. I usually have a striker drone and turret anyways so it would always proc

[patent fossil]

made a 3-skill core sniper build with future perfect for training (when solo), you can get OC skills

[gentle lichen]

Scalpel would actually become really good

[patent fossil]

plus the turret & drone make enemies flail around which is much better practice for group sniping than using a decoy or something (when they just stand still and make themselves easy targets)

[gentle lichen]

2 skill tiers and you can already overcharge

[shy willow]

Scalpel is a carbon m700 too

[gentle lichen]

That too

[hollow pasture]

I still don't feel good using it

Anyways probably gonna go with eitheir future or preservation on my model 700

[patent fossil]

hmm, never really checked scalpel, just assumed it was a bad base weapon - will give it a go with the buff next season

[gentle lichen]

It's a double buff

[hexed steppe]

Determined is just the strongest talent atm... self nerf otherwise

[gentle lichen]

Perfect future will give 4 tiers and m700 carbon buffed as well

[hollow pasture]

Is the m700 buffed?
OH yea it's all m700s

[patent fossil]

self nerf but game becomes more enjoyable when you feel like you're actually playing with skill

[hollow pasture]

Model 700, tactical and carbon

[tawdry flare]

The death of White Death

[hollow pasture]

I have a few scalpels I think

[shy willow]

Rip

[hazy steeple]

Unless it buffs other options above White Death's extra HSD and usability, I doubt it.

[hollow pasture]

I'll probably switch between the model 700s and mantis

[tawdry flare]

They are gonna Nerf mantis

[patent fossil]

unless they adjust it again, they buffed M700 to higher base damage than WD - it already has higher usability. The extra bit of HSD is less important generally in HH builds

[hazy steeple]

No they aren't, stop spreading misinformation.

[hollow pasture]

They are reducing the buff

[tawdry flare]

They are

[hollow pasture]

They aren't tho

[hexed steppe]

You mean cut back the buff. Still gonna be stronger than current afaik

[hollow pasture]

It's just not gonna be as big a buff

[tawdry flare]

Haven't you read patch notes

[hazy steeple]

They are somewhat reverting a buff that they have yet to give it, the damage will not be lower than it is right now.

[hollow pasture]

OK I'll pull them up