td2-build-advice

[dense seal]

Red builds are not dying, if anything they are getting the largest "buff"

[onyx sage]

i really want to predict intimidate will be the prominent chest talent next season but i want to see what PTS 2 has in store

[tawdry flare]

They are making empress more broken

Good bye yellow sacrifice

[flint wave]

how am I supposed to survive without my easy pz headglitch😔

[dense seal]

How Intimidate was in PTS 1, it was on par with PGC and Vigi. Then adding in Bonus Armour. The issue is, how intimidate was working was not how it was advertised. So we will have to wait and see.

[onyx sage]

yeah, i don't want to hope they're actually leaving it as it is and giving 55% or 62%

[dense seal]

Was kind of funny though.

[tawdry flare]

The only thing I don't want is doctor home pts

Full red tanks will be possible

[dense seal]

That was so bad.
Immortality . . . .

[tawdry flare]

[flint wave]

Blue fi becomes meta

[tawdry flare]

4 guys running doctor home

[tawdry flare]

Red fi meta

[onyx sage]

dod, was doctor home still scaling off of wielder's total armor in PTS?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah you can face tank everything

[dense seal]

Perfect Focus Dr Home. . . . . .

[onyx sage]

i forgot to test that

[flint wave]

no way

[dense seal]

Repair Skill and Total armour

[tawdry flare]

Don't forget about the dua run

[onyx sage]

that is stupidly strong

[flint wave]

yeah just 100% armor for the whole team after one headshot

[onyx sage]

i'm assuming FI spread also affects it

[tawdry flare]

YouTuber clickbait will become truth

[dense seal]

I tested with Blue FI and Repair Skill Rolls.
one Shot was about 2.3 mil armour return

[flint wave]

balanced

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 😂

[tawdry flare]

Perfectly balanced and working as intended

[flint wave]

at that point ur only using fi for the now free 25% twd

[dense seal]

Also the group spread of the heals. Without you do actually lose a fair bit.

Well, I say "lose".
For normal play, it was perfectly fine. We did feel the difference in Legendary though.

[tawdry flare]

What if doctor home gave bonus armour with that

With no limit

[onyx sage]

we just need a bonus armor weapon talent and then intimidate will just sit firmly among the gods

[tawdry flare]

We have on Dread edict

[onyx sage]

yeah but i mean high end

[tawdry flare]

Okk

[dense seal]

I was mostly dissapointed with the Combat Lock.
The poor attempt to "buff" rifles.
The lacking changes to LMG
And the health gating.

[tawdry flare]

Health gating is fine but not the unreliable one shot protection

[onyx sage]

when playing solo i didn't notice the health gating/OSP "bug" that you guys did, but maybe i didn't test long enough

[onyx sage]

health gating and OSP are one

[flint wave]

cqc dread edict🧠

[tawdry flare]

I was getting osp to procced some time but some times not

[flint wave]

I'm gonna be shd 2000 soon so this health gate is fine

[tawdry flare]

They can fix osp with health gating than I am fine

Idc about SHD tbh

[onyx sage]

oh you mean "health gating" as in health capping past certain levels? that's the wrong term to use then

[tawdry flare]

Ahh yeah ok but gating and capping are very similar

[dense seal]

Although the OSP was an issue. I imagine that will be adressed. My issue is more, I feel like SHD level should be "worth" something.
Outside of material now, it is even more worthless.
They have shown that they can alter SHD effects depending on area, which is why you loose all SHD bonuses in Conflict. Why not just Cap SHD to 2K in DZ, or remove it.

[onyx sage]

i don't personally mind health bonus going away but i do acknowledge it is a "nerf"

[tawdry flare]

You called me

[flint wave]

I've been nerfed for the entirety of div 2 career

now I will be equal

[dense seal]

I am not concerned with it being a nerf.
I just want SHD to mean something.
Aside from new content, I am grinding for the sake of grinding. I get it, not many people will be in my position, I am absolutely a minority here. But even when new content comes out, it is what, 10 hours of play. Then what?

[tawdry flare]

Use 5.11 pray and spray

[onyx sage]

i agree tbh dod

[flint wave]

no

[pure trench]

Repost to see new opinions

[pure trench]

Why?

[tawdry flare]

I care about enjoyment as long as I find it enjoyable I will play

[onyx sage]

my levels are just 9k but frankly most of it is just killing legendary npcs at this point

[flint wave]

I used this exact build but with nego bag instead and didn't like it

[tawdry flare]

He is typing

[vestal ibex]

This guy's enjoyment is making others suffer with him using 5.11 builds.

[pure trench]

Imo memento is better

[tawdry flare]

I have my half 5.11 cc build ready

I have got 5.11 creeping death bag with status

[pure trench]

Capacitor is like having 5 red cores + 30% weapon damage

[tawdry flare]

Gloves with haste and status and holster

[dense seal]

Nego Skill builds are fine. There is technically nothing wrong with it, and good choice using Memento here.
To put it simply, this is not "bad" but you are lsoing over 60% damage if you just went with a Standard Red Nego Build.

[onyx sage]

5 skill tier is 2.5 red cores

[pure trench]

Its not meta, but its strong

[pure trench]

Its 6 with tech spec

[onyx sage]

which, you have 6 because tech, so it's 3 red cores

[pure trench]

So its 3 + 2

[tawdry flare]

You mean 3?

[flint wave]

6 skill tier = 3 red

[onyx sage]

yeah but you said 5 red cores above so i'm just correcting

[pure trench]

Yes

[flint wave]

then the full memento for 5

[dense seal]

Nego Bag will just straight up give you more damage provided you use the Gear Set Mechanic.
Memento is better for opting more into the skill side as 30% Skill Efficiency is worth it.

[pure trench]

Its 5 total

[onyx sage]

personally i don't mind this build cuz i do run it and it's fun in heroic

[flint wave]

I think I just hate drone turret so I'm bias

[tawdry flare]

I use sleighet broomstick for fun

[onyx sage]

okay got it, it's 5 in total

[flint wave]

I also hate glass cannon

[pure trench]

Yes, more balanced between weapon and skill damage with memento

[tawdry flare]

With hf mento and intimidate

[hexed steppe]

So I could properly dispute the claim

[onyx sage]

local can't let 5.11 content creator spread more misinfo

[dense seal]

Who said Sledge Spread with Eclipse?

[onyx sage]

@tawdry flare

[tawdry flare]

I was theory crafting

[flint wave]

gogamer trying to make the 2nd 5 11 div2 promo

[tawdry flare]

Which was logical

[hexed steppe]

Lmao 🤣

[tawdry flare]

I am bored now days cause the game gives me invisible rusher and what not tbh like wtf is invisible outcast rusher in descent loop

[flint wave]

Pulse issue

[onyx sage]

local, he turned you into a free tester for his claims

[flint wave]

gotta remote pulse doors

[tawdry flare]

Don't get me starting on loading issues 🥲

[dense seal]

I just want them to be considtent. So many times I get hit by Outcast Rushers sometimes they set me on fire, sometimes they do not.
Game, pick one.
Am I dead or not?

[onyx sage]

maybe i should claim more things to make people test for me 🤔

[hexed steppe]

All good , with the buggy shit that happens you never know

[tawdry flare]

You don't have 6pcs 5.11 bonus

There no one saw it

[dense seal]

I thought it was 10.22?

[onyx sage]

no dod don't enable him...

[tawdry flare]

Even mods are afraid of me when it comes to 5.11

[flint wave]

have you got 5.11 irl yet

[dense seal]

The problem is, I am co sponsor of what started the 5.11 shinanigans.
I was demonstrating that game knowledge can out perform Top Tier and Meta Builds.
So some crazy German called Ronon took up my challenge to out DPS the Meta Perfect Focus Striker's build while using 6 piece 5.11.
He did.

It then spread like wild fire.

[flint wave]

RIP

[tawdry flare]

Do a 5.11 incursion with me I have got toasty and raucey on board

[onyx sage]

i admire ronon the most tbh. he's at the top of my list for inspiring speedrunners atm

[tawdry flare]

For me it's roterblitz

[onyx sage]

roter for aim godding but ronon for game knowledge and strats for me

[flint wave]

I wonder how many runs it takes to get those speed times

[dense seal]

We ran 3 Legendary Roosevelts.
Ronon beat me twice with 6 Piece 5.11
The one time I beat him using P.Focus Strikers it was by like 2 mill.

The guy is a monster. Such great knowledge and understanding. He is also just genuinely really nice and chill to be around.

[dense seal]

His Lego Roosevelt World Record was over the course of 4 days no logging out and on a Sleep rotation with his team. Something like 250 runs were completed.

[onyx sage]

what's the talent combo for the 5.11 build he ran? i assume headhunter?

[flint wave]

smh

[dense seal]

I think Vigi + Focus

[onyx sage]

hmm, i haven't watched those runs but i assume it's guaranteeing good uptime on the two plus marksmanship

[dreamy valve]

It can be done with purple gear?

[flint wave]

probably

purple gear hard to farm tho

[dense seal]

We all excited for DtooC Regulus?

[flint wave]

not gonna make a difference

[flint wave]

I'm excited for mag size bullet king

[dense seal]

I tried rerolling my Bulletking during the PTS to get CHC, I got Reload Speed about 4 times in a row.

[onyx sage]

i haven't seen if dttooc regulus is going to hit any new breakpoints tbh, i'm interested if it can break chunga helms more reliably but i doubt it and too lazy to calc

[tawdry flare]

No too much broken

It's fine as it is

[dense seal]

We didn't calc it, but we tested, we went from doing just under 17 mill a shot to 24 mil.

[flint wave]

Thought reg already hit 20 mil

23 mil

[tawdry flare]

Afaik dttoc is not part of Max hh stack formula

[onyx sage]

i don't think dttooc alone enabled it...? maybe different conditions

[hexed steppe]

Dttooc for chatterbox oxi spam will be kinda nice

[onyx sage]

let me see how the multiplier changes

[dense seal]

Was on Head hunter Fury build

[tawdry flare]

Normal regulus 20 exp hit for 19.5-6 mill iirc with hf max stacks and d&h vigi bag

[dense seal]

Chatterbox with Dtooc just about beat oreo at max stacks

[dense seal]

We were using Chain killer

Chainkiller Gift.

[hexed steppe]

Double win

[tawdry flare]

Wouldn't D&H will give more ?

[flint wave]

can you get a 7 shot regulus with mag size

[vestal ibex]

GET THIS MAN OUTTA HERE

[tawdry flare]

Cause the gift lags behind D&H

[dense seal]

Again, Hutchler question.
It is something to do with one combo gives more on first shot, another gives more on second, another gives more on full stack.
Idealy, the "better "option is more on first shot. As after you have stacks, it no longer matters, you are in one shot city.

[tawdry flare]

Sponsored by 6 pcs 5.11

[flint wave]

Co sponsored by mag size bullet king

[onyx sage]

yeah prov gives more on first shot

[tawdry flare]

I will officially retire when they Nerf 5.11

[flint wave]

Buff*

It's no longer a meme if it's good

[tawdry flare]

That's why I am gonna retire

[onyx sage]

actually let me actually calc it out, should be a simple calc

[dense seal]

Then there is Do you plan on using your shotgun or any other weapon. Sure D&H is good for Regulus, but kind of bad on anything else.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

oh yeah i can definitely see the argument for m870

[dense seal]

Chainkiller at the very leasy gives 5% AWD to everything

[tawdry flare]

But M870 already hits so heard tbh

It just comes down to what you are min maxing for

For example one shotti g dua final boss

[hexed steppe]

Would 2nd pc wh vig bag be worth for the dta?

[urban latch]

They don't stack (the pulses)

[dense seal]

I think, THINK, what we ran in our Lego DUA runs was Habsburg and Prov. for 30% HSD.

[tawdry flare]

I guess due to using Achilles

Which doubles on headshot

[onyx sage]

i'm seeing for regulus alone prov doesn't beat d&h, loses by about 2%, but dk if that will make you miss any thresholds

[dense seal]

For high End Regulus, it can be, it works out to a 2% ish damage decrease but you can get an extra roll.
This is how I actually run my HE Reggy build, 2 W&H.

[onyx sage]

but prov will benefit m870 more which is a fair tradeoff

[dense seal]

Hey beautiful

[tawdry flare]

Says the guy who runs d&h vigi bag

[onyx sage]

i mean, i run that because i mostly use regulus and i run solo

[tawdry flare]

Same for me

[onyx sage]

I'm saying there are other use cases like running m870 mostly which will benefit prov

[tawdry flare]

Wish we had brand bonus with 5% dttoc

[onyx sage]

chainkiller stays though, no question

[flint wave]

run walker

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

Unless running 321

Or using regulus with memento

Only exception for not using chainkiller

[onyx sage]

i need to test some people's claims that 2 hotshot 2 habsburg chainkiller gift is better than 321 tbh. i know it's more accessible but need to see actual numbers on a npc

[tawdry flare]

I have that

Honestly I wonder what unicorn item I dont have

[dense seal]

Blue Health Haz Pro 6 Pieces Ceska?

With Brand Set changes. . . . . that 30% health . . . . . . .PHWOAR!

[onyx sage]

it would be hilarious to see someone actually put that together

[flint wave]

5.11 + 3 ceska for big health

[dense seal]

A guy in my clan has. Unkown Spot.

No, I am not joking.

[tawdry flare]

I have that tbh a ceska chest hazpro vigilance

[flint wave]

god

[tawdry flare]

New meta

[flint wave]

let's just make a health bonus build

[tawdry flare]

Need to farm for rest 5 pcs

[onyx sage]

going to be so good with next patch!!

[dense seal]

He sometimes flops it on in IH Raids with Randoms, for Boss 2 and 3. Funny to get peoples reaction

[onyx sage]

imagine my health at 10k shd 💀

[tawdry flare]

Do you have. A 5.11 healer build with opportunistic and emphatic resolve

Also I am almost done with my 5.11 cc build

Gotta collect all 5.11 build

[dense seal]

I am going to stop giving you ideas now . . . . .

[onyx sage]

please do

[flint wave]

5.11 + 2 gila + 3 ceska new best tank build

[tawdry flare]

I thought you were my friend 🥲

[dense seal]

I can feel you rocking back and forth in your epic gamer chair about to blow an aneurysm and breathing heavily.

[onyx sage]

you know gamers don't have friends?

[tawdry flare]

Since when ?

[tawdry flare]

Totally wrong

[ruby hornet]

Can we please have the update crew look into giving us the option of what type of grenade we can use? It's just weird that as a firewall I cannot use a fire grenade, the one for firewall does nothing to cause burning. It would be more useful if it did. Thanks!

[rich cosmos]

So use survivalist

[shadow gorge]

in pvp dark zone the critical damage change is important?

[hexed steppe]

Chc chd is important for every dps build.
Low chance = low output in pve&pvp

[shadow gorge]

you mean critical and head shot?

[hexed steppe]

I was just speaking on crits.
Chc -critical hit chance
Chd- critical hit damage.
Headshot damage I'd a different beast but is additive with chd

[shadow gorge]

ah ok but can work togheder the headshot with critical damage?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah afaik. I imagine it need to be a crit headshot to use both. You'll generally spec into one or the other tho since attribute space is limited

[shadow gorge]

the important can work togheder 🙂

in any cases ty

[tawdry zephyr]

What is the best way to grind for exotics? trying to get the memento backpack.

[hexed steppe]

Run countdown -target bags.
It's not a huge chance to drop, but you can buy exotic caches also with the credits earned. Exo cache every 30 minutes + possible drops

[tawdry zephyr]

okay cool thanks

[opal egret]

Looking for fun builds beside the typical meta build that everyone plays in dz. HMU with your best advice

[wheat anchor]

Either do countdown, or do things that get you an exotic cache

So that weekly donation project, or weekly 30 floor summit challenge

Summit is a good alternative if you cant run countdown, since you can have targeted loot set to backpacks

[flint wave]

Can't wait for that dumb summit challenge to go to 15 floors

[wheat anchor]

Wait they are finally lowering the amount of floors for the exotic cache?

About fucking time

[flint wave]

yes

all projects are gonna be worthwhile now

[wheat anchor]

Honestly 30 floors is a long commitment

At this point its just easier to do a weekly legendary

Since you won't be bored out of your mind

[flint wave]

I do legendary for fun so yeah

screw summit

[hexed steppe]

easier to just cd. no commitment, lots of exo

[wheat anchor]

Tbh I lack a build for countdown

I was thinking a HBR based build but it would have to be a good one

Since well, countdown enemies are beefy as hell

[hexed steppe]

you can 6 red core with random gear and get through challenging countdown🤔

[wheat anchor]

I mean fair enough

Theres always that backpack talent that gives bonus armour based on proximity to enemies

[hexed steppe]

you dont need dps either tbf.. i run through with cc eclipse with no issues

[flint wave]

that's a support build tho

Is effectiveness depends on the team

[hexed steppe]

sure but it can be crafted in 5 mins

[flint wave]

courier or setup is the hardest piece

[hexed steppe]

and a lacking team will do better if the enemies are stuck to the ground out of cover

[flint wave]

Until my teammates take 10 years to kill the enemies then I'm going back to DPS

[hexed steppe]

there is a courier and setup blueprint available

[wheat anchor]

Support builds are something everyone wants on their team, but nobody wants to be one lol

[flint wave]

idk how these guys can't dps the guys that stand still for 20 seconds

[hexed steppe]

at least setup there is. courier may have needed to come from the season

[wheat anchor]

Arent they gonna make it so you cant change loadouts or gear at all during combat though

[flint wave]

I have courier bp and I joined in elmo season

[wheat anchor]

I probably would've gotten the st elmos

But i was clearing wony campaign at the time lmao

[flint wave]

Finish first objective knowing your team is straight dogwater

[hexed steppe]

literally all i run in CD 😎

[wheat anchor]

So I missed out on it

[flint wave]

And switch

[hexed steppe]

always a ton of striker around

[wheat anchor]

Im surprised people dont run negotiators

[flint wave]

DPS is the safest role to play but you can demolish rooms with good support

[wheat anchor]

Then again thats probably not needed in challenging

[flint wave]

Too much HP

Countdown before extraction is also run and gun

[wheat anchor]

Fair

[hexed steppe]

enemy spread hurts the dps for nego, need single target damage more

[wheat anchor]

Dont most people just run striker with elmos/scorpio anyways

Scorpio cause hunters

[royal raft]

What talents are on the weapons in this picture? It's from the Striker's build. I'm trying to match them with the icons in the spreadsheet but I can't seem to find the one on the ACS-12 or on the other one either

[wheat anchor]

Is that obliterate

[hexed steppe]

yeah. ide say 70% striker 29% pfe stuff, 1% cc ep/fi

[wheat anchor]

Oh weapon talents

[hexed steppe]

rock n roll acs12, st elmo

[wheat anchor]

Just check the talent library

[hexed steppe]

rnr is just 30 rounds for talent

[wheat anchor]

Oh right, named exclusive talents

[flint wave]

In countdown always run 3 pfe mods

everything is elite

[wheat anchor]

Honestly its either rnr or lefty

[hexed steppe]

its rnr

[wheat anchor]

More damage or more stack building

[hexed steppe]

lefty better

[wheat anchor]

Ik its rnr, just saying that its between those two when it comes to striker stack building

[flint wave]

Acs is more dps then ouro at close range

[wheat anchor]

Yeah I do agree with you there

Lefty is just better cause of the weapon damage buff

[hexed steppe]

more utility with lefty. i misinterpreted, mb

[wheat anchor]

I suppose it also works with a support build

[flint wave]

It does

[wheat anchor]

Meaning you debuff the enemies so they can just get melted

[hexed steppe]

i use scorpio on mine so i stage left for the perf sledge

[wheat anchor]

Fair enough

Scorpio has no right to be as good as it is lmao

[flint wave]

Not enough people run sledge for some reason

even dudes running survivalist

[wheat anchor]

Most people dont even use grenades in this game

[flint wave]

they fire grenade the helicopters but I don't see no hammer

what's the point of survivalist

[wheat anchor]

Cant really blame em when support build agents rarely exist

They get the armour kit shared healing, that's all they utilise

[hexed steppe]

i feel like i drag this build out once a week on here 😂 . personal goto for CD

100% hazpro, tons of debuff

[wheat anchor]

Jesus

[flint wave]

Give this man lefty

[hexed steppe]

weak ass team melts stuff

[flint wave]

On challenging 5.11 mrlts everything

[wheat anchor]

Call about take a hunter problem into your own hands

[wheat anchor]

Since when did 511 become good

[hexed steppe]

i dont even get slowed from turbine shock floor

[flint wave]

What about damaged

[hexed steppe]

oh i take damage 😂

[wheat anchor]

Shock immunity is around 86% lol

Nothing requires 100% hazpro

Unless Im wrong

[hexed steppe]

i already prioritized haste in the build. it was a matter of changing disrupt mods for haste and running hazpro on the build. 100% covers anything

[wheat anchor]

Fair enough

[hexed steppe]

ig hunter disrupts there are 97+ % for disrupt immunity

[wheat anchor]

Im gonna assume thats an emp sticky bomb and a healing chem launcher

[hexed steppe]

riot foam, fire sticky. but sometimes jammer in place of sticky

[wheat anchor]

Fair

[hexed steppe]

ive used shock traps in the past but they were only nominally effective in extractions, everywhere else they kinda bad

[flint wave]

What about stinger hive

[hexed steppe]

only at extraction
Lootcifer needs them sacrifices every so often 👀

[flint wave]

I sometimes use it on a door I don't have LOS of

exists on turbine and reactor

[wheat anchor]

Are stinger hives even hackable by hunters

Gonna assume no

[flint wave]

yes

one of the most dangerous skills to get hacked

[wheat anchor]

Oh right, ofc every offensive shd skill is hackable

[wheat anchor]

Bleed damage moment

[flint wave]

artillery turret is thr other one

[gentle lichen]

Even the defensive ones like defender drone or restorer hive

Anything that benefits hunters or kill you

[wheat anchor]

Hunters can steal a defender drone for themselves? Damn

[flint wave]

yeah and it makes them invincible

[wheat anchor]

Would be jokes if they deployed their own defender drone and hacked someone's artificer

Hell, can the artificer even be hacked

[flint wave]

Do hacked reviver hives revive hunters I wonder

yes

[wheat anchor]

Gotta be very specific circumstances though

[hexed steppe]

not on the back, probably on ground

[wheat anchor]

If someones thrown it out then yeah

[cursive barn]

is Eclipse Protocol + Vile Jammer viable on higher difficulties? I threw together a build with what I had and am doing very little damage and CC, even on lower difficulties

[onyx sage]

basically you need to run fire, on higher difficulties vile by itself just doesn't do enough

and even on lower difficulties there's no reason not to run fire anyway

firestarter chem and fire sticky are your gotos

[cursive barn]

Dang, was really hoping for a good jammer build that uses vile

[onyx sage]

jammer just really doesn't do that much, low duration, and takes 50 years to fully charge

if you want damage, jammer just does nothing towards humans and not enough damage to electronics to be worth it. if you're not fighting black tusk just run fire

[pearl carbon]

Dam bro the st elmo with dttooc is overpowered and I love it

Does it multiply with the armor dttoc

[gentle lichen]

You mean damage to armor? If so then yes

And damage to armor doesn't require the target be out of cover for the amp to work

[sullen sun]

Can someone help me optimize this.

I’m going for status/bleed

[gentle lichen]

Electrique and golan instead of china light

[sullen sun]

Mods?

And attributes

[gentle lichen]

Status and skill damage. Mods skill haste

[sullen sun]

Would Ridgeway be better than vile?

[gentle lichen]

Huh?

Is this a status build or bleed meta build?

[sullen sun]

tbd 😆

[gentle lichen]

The whole idea I'm getting from what you're showing is that you're going for a skill status build

Not a ridgeway one

[sullen sun]

I’m assuming status effects are stronger

I’m a weapons guy I know nothing of these status’s the kids are using lol

[rich cosmos]

Is ridgeways pride even worth making a build for?

[shy willow]

I have a HF one with a sadist vector for fun in solo but ridgeway itself isnt great

[wise swallow]

^ I think it’s fun

[gentle lichen]

For pvp sometimes

Next update it may get usage due to the armor regen it can provide

[wise swallow]

I tried it a lot on pvp

On the rare occasion it was insanely strong, but 99% of the time it was useless

[gentle lichen]

You don't fight in cqb areas?

Dz south stairs?

[rich cosmos]

?

[merry drift]

anyone know why this build have low damage like 711k ish body shot max stacks with caska but the build with kneepad fox prayer have higher damage over 1M body shot

[rich cosmos]

It isn’t getting changed though right?

Legit all they would need to do to make ridgeways good is just increase the range at which the bleed/regen triggers

[gentle lichen]

Due to the gila brands getting buffed along with golan stacking armor regen is going to be prevalent so using ridgeway to achieve high armor regen % is going to be sought after

I'm still talking about pvp btw

I know in pve it doesn't get much usage

[rich cosmos]

The current bleed range with ridgeway is 10 meters right? I always felt like its very counterintuitive anywhere outside of pvp

[gentle lichen]

15

[merry drift]

@outer ferry any idea?

[rich cosmos]

Yea legit just increase the range to 20 or 25 meters

[gentle lichen]

Because 75% more total weapon damage and amp

[rich cosmos]

You have striker chest piece

[gentle lichen]

It's the striker chest of course it will deal high damage

But maintaining is hard

[merry drift]

ok so why they saying caska better for striker build

[gentle lichen]

Because it's consistent

[rich cosmos]

Because its more usable in all content

Its just quicker

Chest piece is more for if you really need the damage

[gentle lichen]

Chest is when incursion or heroic CD

Raids/maybe leggie

[merry drift]

ok why not this one?

it give ar damage 10%

and same speed as caska

[rich cosmos]

Because crit chance

Thats why

[merry drift]

i mean i got over 800k ish more damage than caska

[rich cosmos]

Okay, but its for consistency

Its for every situation

Which isn’t the case for those

[merry drift]

weird

[rich cosmos]

Its a case of “you could bring overkill and do significantly more damage than needed, or you can bring consistent stacks”

[onyx sage]

you pick one number and see it's higher when you should be comparing dps

in striker crit is key

[outer ferry]

@merry drift because a majority of strikers damage is from the chest piece and backpack

[onyx sage]

nah the chest is optional

without the chest, the multiplier is 2 already; with the chest, the multiplier is 3

[outer ferry]

Also, fox’s has dmg out of cover @merry drift

Without the chest piece on striker you lose about 300k a shot @merry drift obliterate is good dmg upfront but at full stacks you lose a lot of damage.

[onyx sage]

it's more like for ouro, ceska gives less than fox, you still run coyote for both. for most other guns ceska still beats fox

[outer ferry]

I don’t use fox either.

Coyote and cheska

Striker chest and backpack

@merry drift

[onyx sage]

yeah which is best

[wise swallow]

where math and numbers fail

stacks are pretty harrd to get and maintain with chest

if your effectively and consistently stacking it go for the chest

but for most people its quite hard

[round zinc]

if im minmaxing my sniper build then is ooc the way to go,cuz i heard something about dta being better but im not sure

[random sigil]

are there any variations to rifle builds besides the standard red?

[flint wave]

there is the stash or the trash

[hexed steppe]

Negotiators dilemma good for rifles

[junior surge]

Dttooc will deal more damage on your first shot, making it easier to get the initial kill to get headhunter stacks going. While having headhunter stacks, dta will deal more damage, as it works on the headhunter bonus damage. So it's a question of what you want, more maximum damage, or more minimum damage.

[marsh nebula]

1st picture open world DPS, 2nd picture incursion DPS
All rolled to DTTOOC, CHD and CHC, still need to optimize the chest pieces a couple times. Slowly re-rolling CHC to CHD as I max out my watch.
Please let me know if you can think of ANY improvements

[round zinc]

i see,would it matter much since unless you're going off meta i dont see people struggling with getting the first shot kill

[hexed steppe]

Looks good. As you optimize chc you'll be able to have all primary rolls/mods chd.

[hoary atlas]

Legendary = Bulwark
Pvp = Heartbreaker

[gentle lichen]

That will not help you in pvp

[hoary atlas]

Might be bad idea

[gentle lichen]

Heartbreaker i get is heartbreaker but without a way to stack fast you're doomed

And no chest or bag bonus armor is literally just 1 trophy

[hoary atlas]

Damn

Anyway what about bulwark for Legendary

[gentle lichen]

You don't need a "tank"

And it doesn't use sweet dreams so you can't cheese kills every 15 secs

[hoary atlas]

Damn

[fathom thunder]

I’m still tweaking the build. Hope this is not a monstrosity of a build

[fallen comet]

its...kinda bad

[fathom thunder]

Why am I not surprised

[round zinc]

in hindsight its not THAT bad,just need some changes here and there

[gentle lichen]

Ditch ninja get striker bag then get ceska mask double crit and grupo chest double crit obliterate or vice versa

And fix the "rainbowness" of the build by getting strikers with crit attributes

Same goes for mods on gear

[stiff jasper]

Your Heartbreaker so bad

[fathom thunder]

Taking a screenshot of that just to remember

[carmine compass]

this is what you want

You can just slap Elmo here as well, took the screenshot before it came out

[fathom thunder]

👍

[gentle lichen]

HB bad in general

A skilled shotgunner will put them to the ground don't need pulse resist

[stiff jasper]

Hb are counter by burst damage and pulse resistance, so it is really bad idea if you run solo or 1v1

But generally hb is still a good choice in pvp if you running with correct timing, for example team fight

[round zinc]

for smiper builds what is the absolute peak performance

i was using DCh,3 hotshot,the gift and chainkiller

[cedar tapir]

depends what you wanna do with it

4p hotshot, chainkiller, arialdi with vigi, white death

for legendary group

damage to armor or health on the mmr

You'll need a bit more than 25m damage to one shot elites

[round zinc]

isn't health significantly more niche than armor

[cedar tapir]

both are valuable when using chainkiller

just don't use dtooc

[vestal ibex]

Should use DTTOOC tho. It's the highest bonus and counts more toward your first shot than others which is where it counts.

[cedar tapir]

nah

you dont need it

it doesnt make a difference for stacking

[vestal ibex]

Then nothing you said matters.

[tawdry flare]

You need to be able to one shot a red on legendary or purple rusher with one shot of sniper

And than be able to hit Max cap of 25.5 million

[vestal ibex]

Anyway most of the sniper vatiations don't have a "peak" anyway. The only time a MMR HH enters a new class of better is when you can hit a new enemy class that you couldn't before.

[tawdry flare]

Above that is a plus

[tawdry flare]

Overhealed NPCs

[vestal ibex]

You aren't gonna kill them with WD anyway so just pull nem or tac.

[tawdry flare]

Even with Exp 20? And 321 setup I doubt it though

[cedar tapir]

DTA is the better option 99% of the time for chainkiller apart from shooting robots, or trying to one-shot reds with a very weak weapon like a pistol.

[vestal ibex]

nah

you don't need it

it doesn't make a difference for stacking

[cedar tapir]

what are you saying

[vestal ibex]

I was being cheeky and said what you said.

[cedar tapir]

its more effective which means you get space to invest in other things

zero reason to use dtooc outside of pvp

[tawdry flare]

Than you should reroll ouro to dta

[cedar tapir]

talking sniper setups

with chainkiller

[tawdry flare]

Than reroll wd to dta

It will make a ton of difference

[vestal ibex]

meh if the guy want's to run a sub optimal setup it kinda doesn't matter cause it might not make enough difference. I'd just rather not suggest it to people asking for the best.

[cedar tapir]

talking sniper setups with chainkiller 🙂

everything else dtooc obviously

[tawdry flare]

WD is sniper

[cedar tapir]

hence?

[tawdry flare]

Proved

[vestal ibex]

Come man don't troll them, they are new here.

They don't know your "humor".

[tawdry flare]

I only troll in 5.11 mode

[merry drift]

5.11 real

[merry drift]

✅

[hazy steeple]

RoF is good for an alternate copy of it, sure, but yeah dtooc is still the overall winner.

[cedar tapir]

whats with all the trolls in here

[hazy steeple]

Apart from gamekeepload's bad humour, who else?

[hushed gorge]

On my way to use Regulus with Hunters Fury😆😆

I think its ok build

[tawdry flare]

The one with memento ?

[hushed gorge]

Yes

For Armor💀

[tawdry flare]

It's good for starters but after practice should switch to vigilance

[round zinc]

is it worth using a second walker piece on sniper builds because of the 5% dta?

[junior surge]

It's ok, but if you want dta, you can also just use contractors, get 3% more dta and just lose a minor attribute (which would likely have been handling or something similar).

[cedar tapir]

Its probably only worth it if you use high ends and not a gear set

[vestal ibex]

You are probably overthinking your sniper build tho. You can use a simple chainkiller, araldi vigi bag, and 4 pcs hots and do the same as other min max setups.

ez 4 man legendary with that. Anything else is preference and bait imo.

If you really want to know if changes to your sniper build actually change anything go into the range solo, turn damage numbers on in chat, get an armored target up, look at your 1st shot, then half HH and full HH shot damages and then look at this spread sheet to see if you hit any new classes of enemies in the content you are playing in. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

[rich lotus]

whats the best loadout for darkzone,

im thinnking about farming it in a bit

[hazy steeple]

There's a few builds for DZ in the 📌 pinned spreadseet of this channel. "pvp guide" IIRC is the name.

[rich lotus]

perfect!! thank you

[bitter ingot]

legendary dps builds ?! ( 3 armor core based ) if possible !!

[patent fossil]

dps & 3 armor cores is kind of a contradiction, most people just run full damage. If you must compromise, just throw 3 armor cores on the standard strikers build (coyotes + ceska obliterate chest + 4pc striker with crit stats)

[flint wave]

This build but put striker chest on and use fenris over ceska piece if you have your watch crit stats maxed, it's more damage since you have blues. This is solo legendary focused

put an extra blue or use PFE mods if needed

[tawdry flare]

If you are using memento go all red

[bitter ingot]

@flint wave wanna play ?

i’m searching for 13% PFE’s in the summit

i’ll also be trying to be the regulus in the iron horse raid later , i just hate doing raids

thanks to everyone’s suggestions though

@everyone

[flint wave]

not at home rn

[onyx sage]

don't expect that to work in a big discord fyi

[cinder gazelle]

Thanks for tagging everyone

[flint wave]

also nice everyone ping

[flint wave]

might as well use striker bag

memento is useless without blues

[hexed steppe]

lies

[tawdry flare]

Hey local wanna see something cool

[hexed steppe]

skill efficiency goes a long way with or without the blues

[hexed steppe]

sure

[tawdry flare]

i got this

[flint wave]

that won't do much when ur shield also has dookie health

[tawdry flare]

Bruh you have enough survivability from memento already

[hexed steppe]

scales from blue and yellow cores... tech/memento is 3 tiers... add artificer 😅

[flint wave]

using tech means no gunner or firewall, using artificer means no decoy

[flint wave]

Those short term buffs do nothing with those stats

[hexed steppe]

wont need them. itll unlock flatline if you want another amp

[blissful rampart]

no gunner or decoy is no big deal, also tech grants flatline on gun too

[hexed steppe]

no idea the build btw, im just stepping in cold 😆

[flint wave]

Damn even more losses leaving elmo

Are we back to last season?

[tawdry flare]

Take 5% CHC away and is unreliable

[blissful rampart]

well worth it since you gain the flatline amp

er flatline*

[tawdry flare]

What about reliability sometimes doesn't pulse😂

[flint wave]

too much crit loss + loss of spec

[blissful rampart]

never had that issue tbh.

gunner is meh spec any ways tbh. want dps? well then tech (with flatline) or firewall (for shield) bot out dps it

[tawdry flare]

I find it unreliable often with HB Flatline build so I don't use it

[flint wave]

The ROF increase and weapon handling for doing nothing for 1s in question:

[tawdry flare]

Also free ammo

[blissful rampart]

both are okay but weaker then what i said above

[tawdry flare]

Coming in clutch for solo

[flint wave]

Tech was probably competitive back in the day but we have elmo

[tawdry flare]

Bypass the directives

[onyx sage]

free ammo is clutch for solo yeah

[thick yacht]

10% armor regen on kill

[blissful rampart]

free ammo is nice if you run the ammo directive otherwise meh tbh

want self healing. use armor kit or preservation or a heal skill 😛

[onyx sage]

but like there's really one example where it's almost necessary to run gunner, and that's before monorail in zoo legendary

otherwise it's fair to say not really necessary

[blissful rampart]

tech is always competitive its never "not".

[tawdry flare]

What about banshee pulse pretty handy

[blissful rampart]

its fun but IMHO not worth losing tech or firewall specs for

for dps builds at least.

[flint wave]

I only cared about banshee pulse on legendary for birdhouse

[tawdry flare]

I just want them to detach spec skills and grenades

[flint wave]

that's how good gunner is

[hexed steppe]

i rarely use gunner. tech / survivalist basically my goto. lately just tech on dps since i been using shields a bit more

between memento tech artificer shields are strong af ... dont need the aok if shield is taking most damage and agent * getting some memento regen

[onyx sage]

otherwise yeah folks really just run gunner for comfort and banshee if they really don't need the extra damage from tech or firewall. but i'm hitting a wall where running tech means i have to run flatline on my guns, which means i can't run preservation 😔

so it's mostly gunner or firewall for me

[blissful rampart]

well you never "have to" run flatline on guns 😛

[onyx sage]

nahnahnah i don't stare at damage gift horses in the mouth

[blissful rampart]

also if you want more self healing, then run chem or hive as 2nd skill both very strong even T0 for that. (get T1 with tech spec though :P)

[onyx sage]

jk but you get the mindset right

[tawdry flare]

Gunner Is nice tbh especially for HC

[onyx sage]

for skills, sacrificing utility from decoy, emp sticky or turret is too much

i get that most of the advice caters to more casual play but really in legendary that 10% aok saves lives

[flint wave]

I value consistency

gunner is consistently useful in every dps build for me

[hexed steppe]

tech consistently gives a yellow core 😂

ill see myself out 😆

[onyx sage]

so i'm not saying advice should scale up to legendary tier or anything, i'm just adding on top of this advice. not trying to invalidate any of it

[flint wave]

I'll just run a blue and keep my spec, more damage

[vestal ibex]

This solo? Cause you gotta fight for kills if you wanna get AOK, kinda the same boat as memento if you ask me.

[blissful rampart]

less damage not more.

[onyx sage]

yeah but in groups you have dedicated dps roles who all have their fair share

[vestal ibex]

All dps groups lol

[blissful rampart]

also in groups, gunner is even less useful. gives no tact group buff

[vestal ibex]

I think context is important tho.

This is a "tactical shooter" after all.

[onyx sage]

but yeah i was having solo mostly in mind when i wrote that

and also there's a chance in a random mm group you just happen to deal the most damage and therefore you reap from that aok. you never know

[flint wave]

my whole build showcase was solo focused. But I rarely consider the group specs admittedly

3 gunners in incursion for example

[onyx sage]

for groups i run sniper 😭

[vestal ibex]

I consider group play over solo because I almost always play in groups.

[onyx sage]

so sharpshooter

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic feels like a joke in this game.

[onyx sage]

that's why you move up a tier and suffer

[vestal ibex]

Carrying people in legendary is a masochists thing tho.

[onyx sage]

it's content

[flint wave]

If they're turret drone toilet gamers at minimum and it's not capitol building its not bad

[onyx sage]

capitol building is ez af to carry

[flint wave]

no reg

[tawdry flare]

The problem is tidal and manning

[onyx sage]

no reg

i just do blue striker

[tawdry flare]

Hf scorpio

[flint wave]

I haven't had a time where my team didn't follow me up to ladder of that one part

[onyx sage]

oh yeah that part reg is nice

[flint wave]

But I doubt I can door camp that room on 4 player scaling when 3 are doing nothing

[onyx sage]

i can't not run reg there

i have reg to camp door with and white death to finish off stragglers

[tawdry flare]

You can M870 there cause we have a purple add that can be one shotted

That's what I do

[onyx sage]

but m870 doesn't help against mobs who just run immediately

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[onyx sage]

so reg

[flint wave]

Just get cc🥱

[onyx sage]

HF does that

[flint wave]

(I wish I had cc)

[tawdry flare]

I leave that to my team just go straight to door

[vestal ibex]

The foam sliders yo

[onyx sage]

shock sliders

[tawdry flare]

GL with it on matchmaker

[vestal ibex]

ALL SLIDERS

[tawdry flare]

Don't force me to say it

[flint wave]

this makes me mad

[vestal ibex]

The gets me everytime I see it. Work on that vs the gear lock yo

[tawdry flare]

I will put the meta sliders than

[onyx sage]

and then you get the smart teammate who throws fire nades and lets no mob open the door

[flint wave]

Fix div2 servers when

[onyx sage]

thanks, teammate

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[flint wave]

good thing we can switch grenades next update

I cant wait to run survivalist grenade on gunner

[vestal ibex]

Never gonna happen cause it's a problem by design. Tick rate is just too low.

[shy willow]

Wait what is a gear lock

[onyx sage]

they're disabling hotswapping

[flint wave]

You ever had a problem with an elite stuck behind a spawn door?

[shy willow]

HUHHH

[flint wave]

Too bad, no swapping to high skill tier for oxis

[shy willow]

Occasionally

[flint wave]

if ur in combat no gear swapping😔

[onyx sage]

devs: you should have planned an oxi build in case a mob doesn't run out of spawn

what if that doesn't happen? you just do nothing

[flint wave]

I wonder if it's gonna work like fast traveling in combat does

[shy willow]

Likely

[flint wave]

If some random group from 800 miles away engages you you can fast travel still

I hope that's the same for gear lock

this game just puts you into combat for no reason sometimes

[tawdry flare]

I remember having elite stuck

[vestal ibex]

Naw. I bet if the map is red you are stuck.

[flint wave]

I had a rogue agent stuck once

[tawdry flare]

In dua legendary garage had to oxi him

[flint wave]

😭

I hope not

[vestal ibex]

Also I think that from the map you can always fast travel but if you try to fast travel via social it'll tell you "you are in combat"

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[flint wave]

Nah I've tried to fast travel after killing bounty targets but it didn't let me

said I was in combat

Killing blunty targets not securing area

[rich cosmos]

Is memento not worth putting on a heartbreaker build?

[vestal ibex]

I don't think I've ever gone into the map and held x to fast and it not work.

[onyx sage]

it works eventually

[vestal ibex]

In solo yes it's very good.

[onyx sage]

if you're sure no enemies are left, just hold down the key and eventually you get tp'd

[shy willow]

I remember back on Lexington half the time when you finish your map is red for like no reason

[flint wave]

I've only had it happen once from memory. I don't usually fast travel when there's a red infront of me magdumping

[onyx sage]

because of enemies outside the mission fighting JTF

right after you finish

[shy willow]

Oh so that's whyyy

[flint wave]

damn dc side missions

never done those

[vestal ibex]

Every time you do the dragov mission in WONY you get stuck in combat for the longest time cause some open world activity.

[rigid plaza]

does any1 have a really good drone+turret build for solo playing?

[vestal ibex]

Pinned messages>spreadsheet>hub(builds)>click link next to drone/turret build.

[flint wave]

toilet gaming

[onyx sage]

toilet/drone gaming

[vestal ibex]

I mean you could do that while running that build.

Drop your own bombs too.

[onyx sage]

should i stream toilet HHF?

[flint wave]

Toilet drone

[dreamy valve]

are we keeping DR Home nerfed based on the feedback?

[blissful rampart]

nerfed? it never was nerfed. it was giga buffed on PTS which is reverted. it will be unchanged (so just like live right now)

[dreamy valve]

oh yeah thats what i meant

[flint wave]

so glad that isn't making it to live

[blissful rampart]

lol "nerfed" now means "unchanged" 😛

[dreamy valve]

looks like this project resolve doesn't have too many drastic changes

just some light quality of life additions

with gear changes and balancing left in their original states

[rigid plaza]

ty

[vestal ibex]

They "nerfed" ouro is what people said just cause it got lower firerate after the PTS lol

[surreal depot]

@onyx sage ewreg

[ashen atlas]

Hey guys I'm running a NEGO build and for the backpack I got Fernis group with Core A: WD, Attributes: CHD, Skill Damage and CHD should I change the skill Damage for CHC or the weapon Damage for Armor?

[flint wave]

chc

[ashen atlas]

Armor is at 913.0k tho

[ashen atlas]

but I thought so too

thx

[flint wave]

Put blue cores somewhere else

where it won't cost you whole crit mods

[hexed steppe]

you wont need the armor, if not running coyote you want to be maxed out on chc as well for best performance. nego bag also better for full transfer and really take advantage of the talent.. striker better suited for single target stuff

[gentle lichen]

Does the trasfer on chungas damage all pieces of armor they got?

Like status?

[hexed steppe]

transfer probably direct.

[ashen atlas]

Thanks!

[bright raptor]

yes and it's not really noticeable, so it's usually more effective to mark everyone else, then hit the chunga to transfer damage to the others

[flint wave]

now I wanna strip all armor off a legendary chunga at once

Using negotiator

[hexed steppe]

Nego transfer is sweet. Condition of the main target is figured for the transfer even if marks dont meet that condition. Like dta dttooc. I think dta has multiple calculations on marks if both target and mark are armored iirc

[onyx sage]

dta double dips yeah

[hexed steppe]

Nego has my 😍

[random sigil]

i think someone mentioned yesterday the ND vorks vell vith rifles vhen i vas asking about rifle builds?

[onyx sage]

yeah, it and the high end build

[random sigil]

the high end one would include perfect glass and vig right?

[onyx sage]

vig yes, but chest can be perfect glass cannon (pgc) or focus usually

you can use obliterate but it stacks too slowly with rifles

[random sigil]

ah okay, focus is the one where you have to use scope 8x or more right

[onyx sage]

yeah

(it's my avatar)

[patent fossil]

spotter can work too

(on a tech/flatline build)

[random sigil]

oh true

i just not a huge fan of scopes for rifles

i feel like i might as well use a sniper lol

i was trying to think of a way to get some survivability on the rifle builds so i could solo comfortably with it like armor or kill or bonus armor or soemthing, but im not seeing very many possible options without sacrificing too much damage

[onyx sage]

(rifles already rely on range for survivability already)

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, i know, but that didnt stop the npc from headshotting me lol

also it seems there aren't alot of options for rifles with gearsets and builds and stuff unlike ARs and smgs and such

[onyx sage]

also shields can still be used with rifles

rifles are like pistols, they got the short end of the stick in that regard

[random sigil]

yeaaaah, i have found some better luck with the decoy

maybe do decoy and shield, or shield and artificer hive if using tech/spotter/flatline

[rigid plaza]

question,if my secondary has perfect in sync,but i mainly attack with primary weapon,will secondary buf activate?

[rich cosmos]

No

You need to use the gun for the buff

[rigid plaza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_PbqmFlsw&t=222s so whats the point in this video

trying to follow this guide

[fickle light]

there is no point, its a KVD video

its made to get newer players to click on it

[rigid plaza]

so

ifi wanna play a turret build,which one do i go for

[fickle light]

the one in the spreadsheet

[rigid plaza]

its the same shit

[fickle light]

its not, you dont use Memento in a turret & drone build

memento is very very good if you can stay alive, kill, and continuously grab the trophies it drops

with a turret and drone build you do not have the damage to do that, nor the survivability

[flint wave]

skill build on legendary 🤢

[rigid plaza]

i mean im new palyer,and all i ever see is striker builds,and its boring as fuck

[flint wave]

Skill builds will put you to sleep then

[fickle light]

Its because striker builds are extremely easy to put together and use.

With high end builds you have to look for specific pieces with specific rolls. Strikers gets you 80% of the way there with just 4pc strikers. Its easy to farm and easy to use.

[onyx sage]

it's interesting seeing how people say striker is boring when blue striker variants are so diverse

[flint wave]

striker in general be diverse

[junior surge]

People also say skill builds are boring but they're super diverse aswell.

[flint wave]

Their playstyle is boring

[junior surge]

It can be way more fun than red dps. Eclipse and oxidizer are some of my favourite builds and they're everything but boring. They have a big learning curve and they're very rewarding to get good with

[urban latch]

mortar builds as wel. Idk why everyone just associates skill builds = drone/turret

[glossy scarab]

for mortar builds you would use 2pc grupo and 1pc china lite, no? and then 3 empress?

[random sigil]

For either the High end or ND rifle build, would I loose too much putting Bloodsucker on the backpack?

[tawdry flare]

You forgot Oxis

[round zinc]

i think skill builds is hated because of how vulnerable they really are

like you legit cannot use skill builds in Stovepipe

also its the common association that skill build=drone/turret

[junior surge]

Well the new devs have made a lot of the new content really hostile to skill builds. Emp jammers and hunters everywhere, or even losing skills entirely like in the last manhunt.

[tawdry flare]

The worst thing is them not able to share your hazpro

[tawdry flare]

Liberty City Keener

Except for oxi nothing works

If only skill shared your hazpro

Guns are able to save you from Oh shit moment's skills can't do that

[flint wave]

despite this game being so hostile to ur average damage dealing skill build I still see too many of them

[round zinc]

cuz the average player aint doing those content

the ones that do end up on reddit in a post thats something along the lines of "this guy brings a skill build into countdown and got us all killed"

[flint wave]

Or they're the one making the posts

I'm convinced half of the "recruiter is unfair" complaints are skill builders

[tawdry flare]

On heroic countdown it is fun

To watch #SPS

[round zinc]

what happens when a hunter hacks an ortiz incendiary turret

[shy willow]

How's the prime mission anyway I haven't made any progress on the manhunt at all

[flint wave]

it still spins

I saw it happen recently

[round zinc]

remember when people praise it as the return of firecrest

[tawdry flare]

But does it damages you?

[round zinc]

pretty wack

you want the spoiler or nah

[shy willow]

Sure

[flint wave]

idk if it still damages the ortiz user

[round zinc]

so basically ||the recruiter shuts down your skill and your hud,you cannot see your ammo,stat,objective,minimap etc...
if you're on critical health you will not know it until you're dead,oh yea infinite elite black tusk spam in the finale||

[shy willow]

That sounds a bit much

Are there still audio and visual cues for your armour breaking at least

[flint wave]

crack

and bloody screen if lost health

thas it

or isacs signature "vital signs critical"

[shy willow]

So virtually blind the entire time

[flint wave]

not the entire time

[round zinc]

but you can only damage him when you lose your hud

[shy willow]

Can you just melt him or is it phased

[round zinc]

in theory he's just a single hunter so if your dps is enough then maybe

[flint wave]

there's health gates

[round zinc]

but then he has a health gate cuz you aren't meant to kill him

[shy willow]

We talking open world hunter or Schaeffer hunter

[round zinc]

Schaeffer

[flint wave]

schaeffer hunter but with less damage

[shy willow]

Ah

So the extra mask hook wasn't for anything then ig

[round zinc]

about that

lol,lmao even

[flint wave]

were still on the hunt for the last mask

[round zinc]

so its not for the recruiter mask

they definitely hid a hunter somewhere else then

[shy willow]

Ain't no way they added another riddle

[round zinc]

rizzle me this gyattman
i skibidi with no toilet
what am i

[shy willow]

Wh-

[round zinc]

riven i saw that ping

😔

[blissful inlet]

Any good build AR for dz ?

[cedar tapir]

Elmo

[slate wedge]

this one for shock resistance

[blissful inlet]

This build is good with dz ?

[pearl carbon]

I'm running the meta sniper build hitting 21mill every shot anyway to improve its with white death 3 hotshot and chain killer of course and punch drunk with the gift planning on making the punch a Hg guard though

[hazy steeple]

You should swap out Punch Drunk for something else, that extra 20% HSD isn't as useful as say, Foxes Knees.

Although Gift vs Arialdi w/vig is an interesting toss-up.

[rich lotus]

Jesus how did you all get that high of gear lmfao

That’s badass

[hazy steeple]

Countdown until you get stuff that's 80% perfect, then optimise/recal the rest.
(the only tricky stuff is the DZ locked parts, but those are mostly optional in 99% of builds anyway)

[gentle lichen]

Pvp doesn't like low rolls

Every % counts

[slate wedge]

oh yeah, it is

[hexed steppe]

yeah that works for mortar, a lot use glass and shock and awe.
personally i go 2grupo, 1 china, sacrifice, force multiplier, then either contractors or btsu, perfect glass/perfect combined arms.

[hexed steppe]

4 hotshot, chain killer , airaldi vigilance, sharpshooter (6red core, all hsd rolled) will have a determined whitedeath hitting in the 28mil range on top end

[placid cove]

On the spreadsheet guide for the standard red dps build, what is the weapon in slot 1?

[marsh nebula]

M1A CQB

[placid cove]

@marsh nebula thanks

[devout iris]

So what gear I should use if I wanna use a rifle in open world

[patent fossil]

High end crit build or negotiators

Builds are both in the pinned spreadsheet

[devout iris]

Cause I want to make the rav more useful then just use it for raids

[placid cove]

For AR's do i want the 3rd stat to be crit related or damage out of cover for a striker build?

[gentle lichen]

Always out of cover

[placid cove]

I got an AK-M with 3 perfect stats and Strained, should i even reroll anything there?

[urban latch]

Is there damage out of cover on the 3rd attribute?

[placid cove]

yes

[gentle lichen]

Yeah that looks about right

Keep it as it is till you get a better ar

[urban latch]

Don't need to recalibrate anything then. The only problem with it at that point is it's a AK, which have pretty shit handling and don't have the DPS to make up for it

[placid cove]

Is it worth it to just spam craft famas' or should i rather go for AR target loot missions?

[gentle lichen]

Do you have elmo's?

[placid cove]

nope

only got chameleon

[gentle lichen]

Then farming for ARs is a 2 in 1 then

Because elmo is also one of the top tier ARs

[placid cove]

I will try that then

[gentle lichen]

Countdown offers you much more quantity

[placid cove]

Only done countdown once, i might try it again

Doing DZ for the rock n roll shotgun will proably be faster than hoping for it in named caches right?

[pearl carbon]

Shows it work pvp

[merry nexus]

what is the best ''Famas 2010'' talent for pvp?

[dry zealot]

lf seekermine build

[hexed steppe]

Idk the pvp numbers. I was considering for pve only

[placid cove]

You guys weren't lying about the AK-M recoil. That's division 1 level of insanity trying to hit a target far away.

[hazy steeple]

You see the stat in the spreadsheet that says "optimal range"? That is how far away you can be from an enemy before you start doing less damage.

If you are within that range and the Stability (kick) is still an issue, then try pausing lightly between shots, aiming for the upper torso/neck and as your aim improves, slowly raise it to the head.

[placid cove]

The damage isn't really the issue, it's the recoil, with the police m4 or famas you can go full auto on far target and keep on target. With the AK-M it jerks way too much to control it reasonably. If the fight is indoors its a pretty good weapon though

[glossy scarab]

thats why i do not use AKs

[hazy steeple]

Okay just re-read what I wrote in full.

[placid cove]

I understand what you are saying, it just doesn't seem worth it since it would lower dps to stop firing compared to the alternatives. Its just an oberservation.

[hazy steeple]

I mean, it's not a good weapon right now either way.

maybe after Resolve hits, but I doubt it.

[glossy scarab]

i think they made a point not to mess with handling too much becuse it differentiates weapons from eachother. i.e. it would take away that weapons "personality"

[round zinc]

eh not even resolve can save it,a lot of these weapons would've benefitted more from a weapon handling buff

like did you know that the USC .45 rifle has like really really good dps for a rifle

[glossy scarab]

great handling on that rifle already though

[round zinc]

but because the recoil is spread is god awful its dead

[round zinc]

have you seen the accuracy of the thing

cqb m1a is better in that regard lol

[glossy scarab]

my badd i was thinking of a different rifle. UIC mod 2

something like that

[round zinc]

UIC has horrible damage

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats why i was a little confuzzed

[round zinc]

honestly i like the m16 buff but it doesn't push the gun anywhere

[glossy scarab]

to me if the rifle doesnt have M1A in its name, using it is nerfing yourself

except 1886

[round zinc]

imo other semi auto rifles like lwm4,lvoac and the 2 sig variants would benefit from a rifle-specific gear set

[hushed gorge]

Do u guys facing problems on discord?

Like photos not loading or something?

Like this

[rain jasper]

Yes

[glossy scarab]

boo

[native needle]

if I'm looking for a grupo chest do I want to target loot chest or grupo?

or does it not really matter

[urban latch]

grupo will give you much better chances. Theres a lot less types of grupo peices than there are chests

[native needle]

ok should of figured since there's like 20 brands, thank you

[native needle]

st elmos out of my 2nd exotic

thats good right

[wary vortex]

meta weapons

its talent might not be the most aggressive , but the modding is very aggressive

[native needle]

yeah I wasnt sure why this wep was considered so good but I checked the mods thats insane lmao

memento into st elmo, feeling pretty good right now

having trouble finding a decent chest tho, just running around doing stuff atm

[wary vortex]

i can say there wont be any other modding that are stronger than st elmos

[native needle]

well thats good news, I also tried the legendary capitol and I can say confidently that will not be getting done this week

[onyx sage]

i can carry on sunday if you're down

[native needle]

you sure? I'm shd level 3 I can not do much of anything, I am good at range but as soon as I enter airburst range I just get blasted

[onyx sage]

i'm sure

[hushed gorge]

EB is going to be good again after Project Resolve

[native needle]

are you just built different

[onyx sage]

i live in legendary

[native needle]

damn, so you're him then

[hushed gorge]

1.3rd Attributable DTTOOC
2.+50 RPM

[native needle]

I seen people talk about running out of ammo I didnt know how that was even possible until I tried legendary lol

[onyx sage]

but yeah just follow instructions and don't trigger next waves when we're both not ready

capitol has a lot of tricks to make encounters easier and more predictable but we'll get there

will dm you if that's ok

[native needle]

yeah sure, I'll be on sunday idk when exactly but I'll be here

[hushed gorge]

Nice

[wary vortex]

almost perfect st elmos

[native needle]

I got 12.8% ar, 20% health and 8% cover

[hushed gorge]

And i got all max rolls from the beginning

I finished my Exotic Collection today finally
Now i can touch grass for a few days

[native needle]

I only got 2 so I got ways to go

[hushed gorge]

You'll get most of them in a week or two

[native needle]

yeah I did the material donate weekly and the summit weekly for the 2 I have now

[hushed gorge]

Eagle Bearer, The Ravenous, The Regulus, Ouroboros are the rare exotics

[native needle]

I'd like the ouro one apparently its a really good smg

[hushed gorge]

You have to play raids for that and a nice luck

[hushed gorge]

Countdown vendor exists man🗿

[native needle]

idk what that is

[hushed gorge]

Havent u played countdown before?

💀

[native needle]

no

[native needle]

I hit 40 like 12 hours ago and all I did so far was summit for my build

[hushed gorge]

What SHD lvl are you right now?

[native needle]

5

[hushed gorge]

Countdown is the best option for getting Targeted loots

[native needle]

I was getting really good drops in summit

but now I need a chest'

where do I find countdown

[slate nest]

👑

[wary vortex]

god roll

[hushed gorge]

Nope,its not

Anyways congrats i g

I got it by crafting blueprint

[wary vortex]

but its DTTOOC?

[hushed gorge]

Damage To Target Out Of Cover

The only Exotic i was struggling getting was Busy Little Bee Exotic Pistol

[wary vortex]

i got another one

[wary vortex]

i looted that but it seems not good

so i deconstructed it lol

[hushed gorge]

Who told u that?

Have u read the buff?

[wary vortex]

the base dmg is 25% of liberty, and normally u only have around 4-6 enemies

[hushed gorge]

Busy Little Bee is a great Support Exotic Pistol

[wary vortex]

aight

[hushed gorge]

Who is using Busy Little Bee lol?

People use the Pistols Buff

And that is way greater than your LIBERTY💀

[wary vortex]

but i use st elmos already lol

tbh other exotics to me are just collections