td2-build-advice

[stiff orbit]

pyromaniac + perfect companion ortiz does pretty solid dmg w/ the backpack

[bronze hound]

??? the eclipse backpack is a 40% amp

theres no competition there

[shy willow]

Ep backpack is like 40 percent amp lmao

[bronze hound]

perfect companion doesnt even come close

[vestal ibex]

It's 30% amp**

[bronze hound]

oh right they nerfed it

[shy willow]

Oops

[vestal ibex]

But how the build works it's like 40% more or so.

[stiff orbit]

eh clearly this is gonna go no where. Enjoy it so that’s all that matters. I wanted to see if there was any other enjoyers of it and clearly not in this snobby only use the best of the best server

[bronze hound]

if you enjoy it then use it; EP just does more damage so outclasses it

[shy willow]

How is it snobby to recommend the best options to people in a channel about build advice lol

[shy willow]

If its not as good as it could be of course people are gonna tell you there are better options

[vestal ibex]

Bro if you're going to get upset that you're preference isn't as good as a better build you should just stop.

[stiff orbit]

when you recommend something purely because it’s statistically better, yes it’s the better choice but i don’t consider the other option obsolete

[bronze hound]

they are obsolete if theyre worse in every way measurable

[vestal ibex]

Go play and have fun. If it works for you that's fine but it's factually not better.

[stiff orbit]

oh, i hope that didn’t come off as me being upset. I was trying to me a joke but that clearly didn’t get conveyed that way

[bronze hound]

what was the joke

[shy willow]

Ortiz being better than EP

[bronze hound]

lmao

[stiff orbit]

call gamers snobby was the joke

[bronze hound]

thats not a joke thats just offensive

[stiff orbit]

? offended over being called snobby?

[vestal ibex]

Jokes have punch lines.

[bronze hound]

^

[stiff orbit]

we having a convo about a turret dude

[shy willow]

I wouldnt argue about numbers in this server tbh the people here are very good with div maths

[stiff orbit]

please don’t be offended at my attempt at humor, clearly it wasn’t the best joke

[gentle lichen]

I would only consider ortiz being "slightly" good is in pvp

[bronze hound]

theres not much math involved tbh

[stiff orbit]

but it was still a joke

[bronze hound]

its mostly just "measure literally fucking everything and compare the numbers"

[shy willow]

I still havent figured out the multiplicative and additive stuff

Like which stats are which

[vestal ibex]

A mushroom walks into a bar and the bartender says hey you can't be here. The mushroom says awe come on I'm a fungi!

See this is joke.

[bronze hound]

souless walks into a bar

he hurt himself in his own confusion

[stiff orbit]

we’ve already moved on dude

[vestal ibex]

But I'm a fungi.

[stiff orbit]

anyway, does anyone have a ortiz build i can look at for reference?

[bronze hound]

no

[shy willow]

Not many use ortiz at all

[stiff orbit]

didn’t realize you were everyone

[gentle lichen]

A horse walks into a bar, the bartender asks "why the long face?" The horse incapable of human interaction promptly shits on the floor and leaves.

[shy willow]

Everyone uses EP lol

[stiff orbit]

bored of it

[bronze hound]

you said anyone not everyone

[shy willow]

Use foam

[stiff orbit]

i felt the energy coming off the digital text

[vestal ibex]

Just make your own flame turret build.

[bronze hound]

what does that even mean

[bronze hound]

^

[stiff orbit]

used literally every combo known. i’m just bored and wanna use the beyblade

[stiff orbit]

i’ve got like 3, i just wanted to see what others were doing with theirs

[vestal ibex]

I honestly haven't used it but I hear the turret cool down is horrid.

[gentle lichen]

Yeah good luck with uptime

[stiff orbit]

paired it with btsu + artificer

[shy willow]

BTSU on turret build wtf

[vestal ibex]

Well could compensate with chest or backpack talents.

[gentle lichen]

So lost another method of dealing fire status?

[vestal ibex]

Not sure if one of the talents makes it breaks the build tho.

[bronze hound]

reminds me of this wacky combo of people pairing decoy and arti in dz

[stiff orbit]

yeah, i like the sit back and use my gun sometimes

[bronze hound]

so youre trying to make a hybrid?

[stiff orbit]

using pyromaniac

[gentle lichen]

Works well actually

[bronze hound]

doesnt make it less wacky

[stiff orbit]

is it wacky if it works?

[bronze hound]

..yes?

[stiff orbit]

i disagree

[gentle lichen]

If wacky means i can flank a squad with pulse resist by all means

[bronze hound]

things can be weird and good

[stiff orbit]

like you?

[bronze hound]

for example my blue FI build that raucey despises

[shy willow]

Yes lol

[bronze hound]

i dont take kindly to insults.

[gentle lichen]

Pvp?

[shy willow]

Doctor home one?

[bronze hound]

pve

[stiff orbit]

ironic

[bronze hound]

yep thats the one

[shy willow]

Actually i probably ought to give it a shot sometime

[stiff orbit]

doctor home hits like a truck

[bronze hound]

it only works in CD/raids

[shy willow]

Wh-

[bronze hound]

no it doesnt lol

its a pea shooter fr

[stiff orbit]

??? how are you using it?

[shy willow]

Behold the white death lmao

[bronze hound]

what

[stiff orbit]

eh, same result with a unoptimized d50

[gentle lichen]

I only know of a blue FI with bag for pvp. Pair it with perfectly efficient and survivalist it becomes quite good

[stiff orbit]

red FI w/ doctor home gives me super solid dmg

[shy willow]

FI too wtf

[stiff orbit]

??? you actin like i play a different game than y’all. Which might be the case at this point by the way y’all reacting

[gentle lichen]

Le tank + damage support?

[shy willow]

You basically are if you think FI doctor home hits like a truck😭

You cant be real😭

[stiff orbit]

1.3 to 1.4 mill ain’t worth mentioning???

[shy willow]

Goddamn

[bronze hound]

if it aint over 20 mil dps its not "hitting like a truck"

[shy willow]

No lol

[bronze hound]

1.3m per shot is really low

[gentle lichen]

That armor also applies to any ally next to you correct?

[stiff orbit]

??? for a healer???

[bronze hound]

compare it to an M1A

[shy willow]

Red Fi isnt healer lol

[stiff orbit]

y’all idea of dps has to be skewed💀

[bronze hound]

^

[bronze hound]

basically me and any ally within 5m gets insta healed to full

[shy willow]

Boomerang/rifleman classic m1a better

[tawdry flare]

Nope never ever 5:11 is going to be Meta

[stiff orbit]

wait, let’s a get baseline understanding. Where are y’all considering this dmg?

[bronze hound]

i prefer rifleman

[shy willow]

Bad

[bronze hound]

i dont consider anything under 20m dps to be good damage

[stiff orbit]

those are sniper shots dude, what’s are you on about?

[bronze hound]

no im averaging around 25 burst

[shy willow]

Ouro/FAMAS/C7/Elmo/M4

[bronze hound]

25 28 something something like that idk what the number is

[stiff orbit]

oh you’re talking about dmg in the shooting range?

[bronze hound]

with bloody knuckles it hits 34

no

[shy willow]

Ingame lol

[stiff orbit]

per shot? or per clip?

[bronze hound]

range numbers are hella inaccurate lol

[shy willow]

Bloody knuckes on wright with sledge procced is very fun

[bronze hound]

dps is damage per second

[gentle lichen]

Me when my dps is 100m with shotgun

[bronze hound]

thats not even possible lol

[stiff orbit]

i haven’t said dps, i’ve said dmg

dmg per shot

[shy willow]

You can hit for 2.5 million with ourobourous lol

[bronze hound]

my ouroboros does 1.2 mil per shot

[stiff orbit]

i’ve hit 4.1 per shot

[bronze hound]

under what circumstance

[shy willow]

With what lol

[bronze hound]

im talking about zero group buffs

[gentle lichen]

Ik it was measured by the firing range

[shy willow]

Even 0 group buffs ouro will hit harder than doctor home

[bronze hound]

super easy to fake that lol

[stiff orbit]

fi, coyote, od, striker full, blah blah blah countdown

[bronze hound]

so it doesnt really count

[shy willow]

No your weapon

[stiff orbit]

bro, i’m about to have a what counts and what doesn’t count battle with you. That’s personal rules

[shy willow]

Also this cuz grp buffs

[bronze hound]

you cant measure damage based on very very INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC circumstances

[stiff orbit]

dude, i was talking to the other guy who said something about 2.5 mill with oro

clearly that isn’t with no buffs

[shy willow]

If youre getting buffs from your teammates then its a testament to the usefulness of your teammates and not the quality of your build if youre hitting way harder than you usually are

[stiff orbit]

this is the not a convo about buffs or no buffs💀

wtf are we even on about anymore

[shy willow]

You can proc sledge and bloody knuckles without a group

[bronze hound]

^

[stiff orbit]

okay bro, where did this even come from. Why tf are we talking about buffs??

[bronze hound]

im done with this

[shy willow]

Because you said you were hitting hard in countdown

[gentle lichen]

Close range damage moment

[stiff orbit]

bro what, 💀 i’m losing brain cells having this convo with you i’m ngl

i came here for a dmn ortiz build and never got one

but got into a argument about something no one cares about

[gentle lichen]

Bag is bis

That's all i know

[tawdry flare]

Cause it is not worth it but if you want put on 4pcs Ortiz with skill cooldown on kill and creeping death

All rolls status and skill haste

[vestal ibex]

I also wonder if this is one of those things where someone thinks x or y is really good because they haven't seen what the best really does.

[vivid idol]

what build should i use to not die to rogue agents in dz

[magic pilot]

Best Ortiz build you get all the pieces for each slot. And put it in the stash and hope It gets buffed

It's literally better to just use eclipse with a fire turret that's how bad the set is

[heavy raptor]

Is there any reason to use a prophet with perfected determined over a d50 with basic determined

On a one shot pistol build

[magic pilot]

No d50 will do more dmg even if you spec into chd and hsd

Also perfect determined doesn't chain like regular does

[heavy raptor]

Figured aswell ty

[urban latch]

For what it's worth, Ortiz is strong when it's active. The problem is the gearset focuses you so much into that single skill, which has a short duration and long cooldown. The thing your whole build revolves around ends up clearing the first wave, maybe two, then leaves you to deal with everything else without it.

[glossy scarab]

at least you can turn it off and on to save the life span. also if you use (perfect) skilled with it and run a drone. the drones kills will make it so the flame turret has no cooldown. its just ready to go again as soon as it explodes

[round zinc]

Or idk just use something preferably not with the cooldown time as waiting for the next division dlc

[tawdry flare]

I think it should've buffed everything related to fire but have to bypass fire mechanic cause robots exists which than becomes a problem

[fallen comet]

you can set bots and chungas on fire if you shoot them with firestarter

firewall's sidearm

not sure how effective it is though

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but should've allowed as a part of gear

[tawdry flare]

The DMG takn Is like either 25% or 50% of what should've been dealt

[round zinc]

Exuro really should’ve been the default behavior for the fire turret

[flint wave]

but it does friendly fire

[round zinc]

These guys would probably do it

Like their design philosophy is all over the place

[unkempt dune]

What is best mission or activity for fast shd leveling?

[heavy raptor]

Doing executions on challenging with directives. One shot sniper or pistol build

Its what ive been spamming for shd levels

[unkempt dune]

I have 1 shot sniper build, but I suck at aiming at the head on a moving target. If I miss a shot, I need to get headshot kill again to trigger the talent...

[heavy raptor]

Snipe a red mob to start the chain

From far

Use scanner pulse

[unkempt dune]

Guess, just doing some mission on challenging with all directive using stats build may be an option...any good short mission with cluster of enemies?

My friend would clear heroic all directive cp in minutes so fast, but his super good at sniping, which I suck at....hahaha.

[hazy steeple]

The exact build doesn't matter, use whatever one you find comfortable.
Just make sure you're doing CP/activities/bounties in the LZ on Chall/Heroic, and stack up Directives so you stay fast.

[heavy raptor]

Yea hunters build works wonders too

[hazy steeple]

If you prefer a mission, Lincoln is pretty good for speed, plus has a number of Named Enemies so higher chance of Exotics throughout.

[unkempt dune]

Thanks for the tips.

I just want to reach at least 1800 shd so each time I remake char, I get 1000 shd points to spend for resources..

[flint wave]

Super good sniper = determined talent user

[heavy raptor]

Yea I hope you have the right sniper build because you literally only need 1 headshot lol

[hazy steeple]

I mean, it does still require some ability with aim and such. It's not just the instant win button that people like to pretend it is.

[flint wave]

It takes a lot of the headaches out of sniping that's for sure

[heavy raptor]

Only thing that screws you over are helmets

[hazy steeple]

I use a crit HF setup and can clear LZ stuff stupidly fast, and it requires basically no aiming.
Just put on a podcast and zone out for a while.

[unkempt dune]

Yea, I have the completed one shot sniper build, but I just can't get the shot on moving enemies lol

[shy willow]

Aim assist should help

[flint wave]

assuming you have determined charged you can just ADS on an enemy and it will lock on center of mass on controller

LT + RT

[shy willow]

It locks for a second yeah

[unkempt dune]

Their is way to lock on target thing? Didn't even know, lol.

[flint wave]

how could you not know

[shy willow]

Aim assist lol

[flint wave]

gyro?

[unkempt dune]

It's setting?

I think I have it, but will check on game settings

I get amazed on how somepeople able to aim headshots on pvp even

People move so fast in people

By the way, is there new story dlc coming? When it does hope no new level like 50 instead 40. It will mean all new gear farming. Yikes.

[buoyant perch]

DLC is 2025, don't worry about it

[fallen comet]

we still dont know if it will raise the level cap

[dusk river]

What primary weapon would I use with this build? Just wondering what weapon + talent would be good to replace the Designated Hitter

[fresh grove]

I’m thinking the Dark Winter

[carmine compass]

Nah, Lefty

You're mostly buffing your team with the 4p FI and debuffing the enemies with Scorpio and Lefty

Not too much dmg coming from you personally

Also, you should get an Alps backpack with Opportunistic or yellow The Setup for that build

[dense seal]

I do Scorpio and Stage Left.
Lefty is fine also, I just do not like 2 Shotguns, feels wrong.

[dense seal]

Upping to level 50 is both good and bad.
If the cap was raised 2 years ago, I do not think anyone would have minded.
So it is more that we have stagnated at level 40 for a while, made all of our builds and done all we wanted to do. The prospect of refarming everything is daunting, but at the same time, the biggest complaint is that we have nothing to do in the game any more.
Regrinding everything at level 50 is a hell of a tast that will keep peopel busy for a long time.

[dense seal]

Under the right circumstance, with the correct team buffs, the max is around 6.4 million a shot. The highest I have personally seen and done is 5 mil.
This image show this.
That being said, doing this outside of Raids/Incursion or Countdown is very difficult.

[vivid idol]

what type of build should i use when using mantis as primary?

[pearl carbon]

Jesus that is alot of damage for the oreo

[dense seal]

Head Hunter.
Can got 3 piece hotshot, MMR or Head shot Chest with Head Hunter Talent.
MMR or Head Shot Backpack with Vigi, Concussion, Bloodsucker.
Fox's Prayer Knees

[slate wedge]

get surprised

[flint wave]

rip

[dense seal]

Ah, you run Scorpio.
That would put the max to 7.2 Mil.

[slate wedge]

got pretty close haha

[flint wave]

I found it

[dense seal]

Are missing a damage mod in your shield?

[slate wedge]

nope, i think i had 11% there

don't know which expertise my expertise was at that time

[dense seal]

Okay, so it is your positioning.
Next time try and get one of your team mates to stand in front and to the side of you so you are in their Shield Cone. That is what you are missing.

[slate wedge]

not doing this strat anymore

only headshot

[dense seal]

????
If you stand in the glowy area behind a Striker shield, it is just another straight amp.

[flint wave]

allies infront of ur shield boost damage?

[dense seal]

Behind.

[slate wedge]

i know, but in the incursion we aren't doing crit on lovebirds anymore so i won't be able to test it anymore

[flint wave]

lovebird oneshottijg is back(real)

[dense seal]

It is an Amp. if you Crit, Head Shot or Melee, doesn't matter. Amp is an Amp. More damage

[vivid idol]

umm i only know hotshot and mmr meaning, the others are... talent name?

[flint wave]

yes

[dense seal]

I went with Airaldi as it is easier to farm.

[winged vine]

What would technically be a better choice - Soko chest w/crits & Oblit, or the HF chest?

[dense seal]

Soko

[winged vine]

Thx!

[tawdry flare]

Let me show mine

[hexed steppe]

5.11 HH ftw! God mode activated /s

[tawdry flare]

Naa it is a weaker version than 5.11 it is too strong with 5.11 HH you can one shot entire room

[vestal ibex]

Oh no he is gonna confuse people

[fallen comet]

Its beautiful 😍

[patent fossil]

RPM increase, 3rd stat recal, looks like other stats are the same

[fallen comet]

Recal or reconfigure

[patent fossil]

reconfigure sorry

[vestal ibex]

That PTS will be in the image and people are still gonna ask how to do it.

[patent fossil]

I optimised the DTOC too but no visible icon

[glossy scarab]

use a lefty or stage left and use the fire grenades to give that massive perfect sledgehammer buff

[hollow pasture]

Efficient works with instant med kit

[tulip charm]

Eb meta?

👀

[patent fossil]

6.7% RPM increase + dtoc will help, not sure about 'meta' though

[hollow pasture]

It'll be more than competitive after it getting nerfed to the ground

[tulip charm]

Thats nice

[flint wave]

200iq buff

[blissful rampart]

petrov 3rd piece too lol overall brand changes are complete crap

[vestal ibex]

Yeah brand changes will buff some existing builds and do nothing to improve build variety. Probably have a bigger impact on PVP tho.

[urban latch]

It's like they didn't realize the problem was the bonuses being low, it was just what those bonuses did...

The one exception being a ridiculous buff to armor regen....

Which is literally a mistake they've made multiple times now

[round zinc]

How massive are le armor regen buffs

Ninjabike striker nomad making a comeback 🔥🔥🔥

[bright raptor]

Gila 3 pieces is 3% armor regen now

[round zinc]

Thats it?

[bright raptor]

Golan 2P is 2%, 3P is now 10% total armor

[blissful rampart]

for pve those dont matter but hearing it will be very strong for pvp (those regens)

[tulip charm]

I thought the devs were onto something but they fumbled it like usual

[blissful rampart]

agreed.

IMHO outside of a small handlful of things, patch is a miss (for pve atleast)

[tawdry raven]

But eb buff

[blissful rampart]

yup now a top choice AR but not the top.

shield splinter stomps on it for pts

f2000 above famas now too

[tawdry raven]

Famas getting outclassed is something

[blissful rampart]

famas still up there though.

oreo still stomps EB though lol

[tawdry raven]

Oreo stomps everything but I've been using it since release need some variety

Eb being viable is huge

Expertise being cheaper also gonna be huge for build variety

[blissful rampart]

EB is already viable even on live (though middle of the pack AR)

[round zinc]

Tbf most ARs are viable in pve because the worst and the best has like roughly a 15% gap iirc

[tawdry flare]

Also what about Scorpio vs ouro now that it has dttoc ?

[blissful rampart]

oreo not even close.

[fresh fox]

7% armor regen…

[tawdry flare]

I thought the gap would be quite less would you mind spreadsheeting

[urban latch]

That's going to be so busted in pvp

[blissful rampart]

well its smaller of course but oreo still higher and also much longer range 😛

[fresh fox]

136k total armor regen

[tawdry flare]

Holy shit

[fresh fox]

yup

[tawdry raven]

eh it was just hard to use it when elmos literally perfect, now eb is on par as elmo kinda

[fresh fox]

160k with armor regen attributes haha

[tawdry flare]

mhh

[blissful rampart]

EB above Elmo now, elmo knocked down to upper middle? maybe still top (but bottom of top imho)

[fresh fox]

which is equal to 8% of the 2 million from armor cores

[bronze hound]

ouro is still king right

[glossy scarab]

Probably

[bronze hound]

checks out

[blissful rampart]

yes it is

SMG9 buff has it out dpsing MPX now though lol

[bronze hound]

i really think they need to add hard content to balance all of this

[blissful rampart]

possible new smg option (outside of always oreo of course)

[glossy scarab]

Mpx has always been an option. It's my go-to as a secondary when I'm using an AR

[blissful rampart]

of course, MPX live is a top smg option (same with banshee) though Oreo stomps on all smgs sadly and ARs

[rich lotus]

Question, does the True Patriot buff works for just the team mates? or does the user benefits also

[tulip charm]

it works for both user and teammate

[rich lotus]

got it. thanks

[tulip charm]

finally my godrolled smg 9 has life in it

[hollow pasture]

Wait they changed flatline from an amp to all weapon damage 😭

[glossy scarab]

i wonder how this will compare to headshot

[tulip charm]

I forgot that thing exist

[blissful rampart]

not confirmed yet. possible just wording change :p

[tulip charm]

oh right @blissful rampart any lmg looking good?

[blissful rampart]

same as always

[hollow pasture]

They all got a buff across the board
But suppress exists

[blissful rampart]

top LMGs are still the same (since just blanket buff across them)

[tulip charm]

so gr9 negev and mg5s?

[flint wave]

Iron lung got a 10% instead of a 20%😭

[blissful rampart]

so Top lmgs:
RPK, MG5 for small mag
Gr9 (with ROF mag), Negv, Blue screen for big mag

iron lung had higher base WD so that 10% fine

[hollow pasture]

I might start running blue screen even more

[tawdry flare]

sleipner is on top with the buff

[blissful rampart]

sleipner is Negv so still good 😛

[magic pilot]

9-12% with memento for dz

[hollow pasture]

So how broken is the armor regen looking in pvp

[tawdry flare]

It is an mg5 you answered too many questions today

[tawdry flare]

8% with memento

[magic pilot]

No lol

[tawdry flare]

Why 3% memento 3% igila 2% from golan = 8

[gentle lichen]

Did the minor attributes for weapons get tweaked in pts?

[magic pilot]

Memento is bugged

Gives 6%

Forgot gila is 3 pc I just woke up

[gentle lichen]

Maximum armor regen you could hit was around 127k with armor regen attributes

What's the maximum now?

[magic pilot]

Over 160k

Especially if you expertise armor

[hushed gorge]

is Eagle Bearer worth using right now?

[gentle lichen]

With dtooc and rpm increase it's best ar now

[pearl carbon]

Yeah but mainly for pvp if your want an all around great gun meta atm is the oreo

[blissful rampart]

not the best BUT it is among the top ARs

[pearl carbon]

Nest ar 100% famas and St elmo

Best*

[magic pilot]

What's the best ar now?

[onyx sage]

intimidate is pretty pog now, 1.55 at max stacks as i predicted

[shy willow]

Atp I'd run it over elmo for the variety

[magic pilot]

Luckily for me I have a blue core intimidate chest on console and pc

So that's gonna be my pvp build now

[onyx sage]

i haven't tested in pvp but pve it's really strong now

[blissful rampart]

PTS top ARs = famas, f2000, EB, P416, and i think Elmo/ M4/ c7 still top because of their handling

[gentle lichen]

Might pick up that intimidate fenris chest finally lol

[shy willow]

F2000 damn

[pearl carbon]

F2000 fr?

[blissful rampart]

P416 might be in the handling side though need to double check

[shy willow]

Maybe shield splinterer will be pretty good now

[hollow pasture]

Yes
Shield splinter is even better now

[magic pilot]

F2k or sheild splinterer?

[onyx sage]

at least shield splinterer is getting the buff, need to test f2000 too

[gentle lichen]

If optimistic on regular f2000 shield splinterer always better right?

[magic pilot]

Shield splinterer was already strong

[magic pilot]

Yes

[fresh fox]

memento on its own is 3% lol

where are you getting these numbers?

[hexed steppe]

been kinda leaning on this instead of hhhf. i considered dch but wanted to use mem for the shield tiers. any criticism welcome to kinda give me some ideas for direction

6r 3y 1b

[magic pilot]

Sleepy numbers

[fresh fox]

you could always do hhhf with memento haha

[magic pilot]

Memento somtimes gives 6%

[fresh fox]

oh

weird

[onyx sage]

just m870 instead of six12 ig but otherwise it's good

[fresh fox]

^

you could also run mop + m870 if you still want the AOK

i think that’s mop atleast

[onyx sage]

you can't use mop's aok when you have m870

[blissful rampart]

both

[hexed steppe]

yeah its mop

[onyx sage]

but memento tides you over already in that regard

it's really a big hit in damage for mop vs m870 in one-shot potential

mop isn't as accurate either

[fresh fox]

just have 2 shot guns

i run vigi instead of memento on hhhf so idk

[onyx sage]

yeah but when you swap to mop you lose damage and it isn't an instant swap

[urban latch]

Imo if your not running DCH, then go with the HF variation

[fresh fox]

it’s what ever

[onyx sage]

HHF + DCH is also really strong in open world as well

[magic pilot]

I use DCH on the HF version lol

[magic pilot]

I have this but I use a red core brazos gloves

[fresh fox]

i used to run that but i found the damage to be too low at some points

i was also like 100 shd at that time one

[hexed steppe]

all good points. im gonna be forcing myself to use a couple variations for the next couple weeks

[onyx sage]

100 shd hurts you a lot for hh

[magic pilot]

Does regulus break any dmg thresholds now that it has Dtooc

[fresh fox]

i recommend the hhhf with vigi

[onyx sage]

it's looking closer to ~9.5% increase with the swap from hsd to dttooc for first shot damage

[magic pilot]

Or is it really only beneficial to have the extra dmg in niche situations

[fresh fox]

from what i’ve seen the damage would go from 3.6m to 3.995m

[magic pilot]

Gonna be great in pvp but I don't see much actually changing in pve unless it can one shot enemies it couldnt before

[onyx sage]

yeah around that range

[fresh fox]

idk if that breaks any thresholds

i don’t even know those. still somewhat new to the game

[magic pilot]

I don't think it will

Still nice though on hybrids

[onyx sage]

you can one shot 4 player normals in legendary now

[fresh fox]

ooo

[onyx sage]

wait no i'm wrong

2 player (duo)

[magic pilot]

Isn't duo the worst scaling?

Or is it trio

[woven pewter]

It was trio, but didnt they fix that?

[onyx sage]

for normals it's always 1.2x every difficulty up

[woven pewter]

Ah nevermind... I thought you talk about descent...

[magic pilot]

Ahhh

[hexed steppe]

so i also have something like this. i dont have a dh bag/chest , but providence does allow me hit >150% hsd on the shotguns and i can utilize flatline.
dttooc on both 870s.

[glossy scarab]

no bleed strikers backfire build with dttooc as third attribute. 1.5 mil body shots

man it keeps doing this thing where i cant equip different gear, i can scrolll thru my inventory but now change anything. so i gotta log out and log in

[urban latch]

I really hope they remove the limit on hot swaps

[fresh fox]

and no FI/debuffs holy moly

with stuff like that you could go down to 50% bleed resist because of the healing haz pro changes aswell?

[blissful rampart]

healing haz pro changes is PVP only

[fresh fox]

ahhh

thank you

[magic pilot]

You should be able to hit 150 without prov

[hexed steppe]

only with hsd attributes. plus nothing to put there atm

[slate wedge]

that´s cause they blocked hotswapping while in combat

[glossy scarab]

yeah i figued it out. thanks lol

[magic pilot]

1 hsd mod

I have Dtooc on shotgun with a 5% hsd mod

[hexed steppe]

yeah ig youre right i would be at 159 with a different bag. i still need to farm a dh bag so for now its either prov or mem

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtMbgjGDMVHmU1yBc0BMFGwSoWmusDpDPGNCEXcSJghdQ23aeC7PbyXAE5clPqKiYA7LEhZy7JOjG9F85RJVKNqoA

160 on this

[rich lotus]

Does the status effect duration (or even all stats that affect status effects) affect the DOT from Vile?

[onyx sage]

only the status effects roll (not burn duration from firewall or duration buffs from other sources) buff vile

[rich lotus]

I'm realizing now that Skill Duration on Murikami doesn't actually say status. Would this have any effect on status effects?

[onyx sage]

no, skill duration does not affect status effects duration

[rich lotus]

So the status effects stat is that like weapon handling and it does duration and damage?

[onyx sage]

yes

[rich lotus]

Nice thanks that's what I was looking for.

[shell sun]

whats the name of the backpack that gives you an extra brand/gear set level?

[tulip charm]

Ninjabike backpack

[shell sun]

TY, i thought it was ninja something

[dreamy valve]

Wait what bug

[glossy scarab]

63 million with nemesis dtoc

65 with a crit

[hollow pasture]

Made my shopping list for the next few months till this update makes it to the live game

[magic pilot]

I literally said directly under the message you replied to me about

[glad heart]

see I already have most of that stuff, especially a few P416s.... they used to be king of the hill, don't know why all of a sudden they are back toward the top, but in the PTS today, I was not at all impressed with any of it. New Tinkering thing? HMMMMMMMMM, just rename Optimization and all get excited is that it?

[hollow pasture]

For me it's mostly the ones below the CTAR that I have barely used /don't have in my stash

[patent fossil]

Tinkering as they described it isn't in the PTS yet, currently it's literally just renamed optimisation

[hexed steppe]

Will tinkering be available in inventory screen? I thought I heard something like that

[hazy steeple]

Tinkering will be Optimisation, Recalibration, and Expertise (according to info directly from the stream) and will be available via the menu, from anywhere.

[hexed steppe]

That's pretty epic

[hazy steeple]

ikr?

To clarify, they said the first 2, then he said it was going to be Expertise as well like 2 minutes later..

[hollow pasture]

It will just not in this phase

The skill mods change is also not in this phase

[glad heart]

Well summit is bugged in PTS, so hard to get a good heroic test of P416 vs Elmo.... start with full ammo (972 + 71 for elmo,) fire one round--reload, ammo down to 772 + 71; ran out of ammo before cleared one floor, with both weapons

[vestal ibex]

What's the directive where you reload and lose the mag?

[flint wave]

how are you running out of ammo in the first place

[glad heart]

don't know, but I did not have any directives set

[flint wave]

average non gunner L

[glad heart]

Running gunner

[flint wave]

crazy

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like that directive is active. Try turning it on then off maybe?

[slate wedge]

ammo hoarder

[glad heart]

Maybe later, don't want to go back in there right now. General impression though, is Elmo is still kicking the snot out of P416 anyway, +50rpm, and +21 in magazine.

6K base damage increase in P416, but 50rpm less; probably breaks about even. But build wise, the elmo build is stronger 202.5% CHD vs ~182% CHD

[vestal ibex]

Damage talents are a thing.

[glad heart]

Well if I ran GC, would bump everything up a ways... but I am old and slow and can't hang with GC

[vestal ibex]

On the gun...

[flint wave]

30% stacking headshot damage and what else

[vestal ibex]

What are you talking about?

[flint wave]

There's no way that's the reason eagle bearer is suddenly just better then everything else

[vestal ibex]

Who said anything about the eb?

[glad heart]

Run strained on the ARs

[flint wave]

me saw p416 I thought eb

[glad heart]

EB is a P416, just exotic

[hollow pasture]

Doesn't eb have more base damage

[vestal ibex]

I think eb when people mention eb. P416 is a different gun.

[orchid cloud]

Eb vs Elmo engine?

[vestal ibex]

I'm honestly not sure of the comparison. It's PTS junk so it doens't really matter too much.

[magic pilot]

EB wins

Dps wise

[cursive gull]

i just recently got this famas, should i replace sledgehammer or the crit damage for a striker build?

[rich cosmos]

Why have I been seeing so many people with low shd with that mask

I thought it was time limited

[cursive gull]

i played a lot during Y1

stopped somewhere before WONY releasing

[rich lotus]

Is 15% more crit damage better than 5% weapon damage? For more overall dps?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah. Weapon damage gets diluted the more red cores you have

[gilded flicker]

what is the highest DPS build for group legendaries? I was told it might be a certain regulus build. I'd like some advice.

[magic pilot]

That's not really dps

[gentle lichen]

You can go for focus striker's

[rich lotus]

That's what I figured

[gilded flicker]

focus strikers?

[gentle lichen]

Basically striker's gear with bag and the airaldi named chest pristine example

Pair that with famas and 8x zoom you'll be doing quite the damage

You usually use shield peeking while playing like this which makes you shoot enemies without getting shot back

[gilded flicker]

what is bag?

[onyx sage]

striker backpack

[gilded flicker]

so pristine example and cayotes mask i assume?

[onyx sage]

ye

[gilded flicker]

gotcha thank you

[thin patrol]

pts "Fixed the Corner Glitch exploit."

[gentle lichen]

Rip thought it was pvp only

Also if I'm understanding this right sys cor with insta medkit is busted?

Paired with perfectly efficient is unreasonably high armor

[magic pilot]

Can you just keep spamming it??

[gentle lichen]

Sys cor is infinite medkit lmfao

So yeah

[limpid pelican]

Anyone have a ss of the most ideal matador, catharsis unbreakable build? Wanting to know if ceska + grupo, or 2 piece walker is more ideal than contractors and fox's prayers

[gentle lichen]

But activating the actual sys cor medkit will not allow you to use it until duration is gone

[magic pilot]

For pvp?

[limpid pelican]

Yes

[gentle lichen]

In most cases yeah because your trading 12% chc from picaro + catharsis

[limpid pelican]

Yeah I assumed so but never knew specifically which was simply better. Always thought to run contractors and fox prayers for multipliers

[gentle lichen]

Yeah but not when sacrificing that much chc

[limpid pelican]

Makes sense

[gentle lichen]

With coyote's you can get away with contractor's no problem

[limpid pelican]

Thanks btw

[magic pilot]

np

[cursive gull]

what do most of you guys running FI use as your healing setup?

[gentle lichen]

Chest with btsu and the setup named bag

[unkempt dune]

I wish we can equip 2 exotic

[rich cosmos]

That would break the game

Just play decent

[gentle lichen]

Maybe they're already decent?

[fallen comet]

Lol

[rich cosmos]

Miner spilling Aaron

[magic pilot]

Ok Denice

[flint wave]

omw to destroy the nearest named using double cc st elmos scorpio

[round zinc]

AlphaBridge when

Imagine ouro+chatterbox

[tulip charm]

god I would do unspeakable things just to get alpha in the game

[hushed gorge]

any advice?

[flint wave]

Ceska better than grupo imo

Especially with that kind of chc

[hushed gorge]

for crit rate?

[flint wave]

Ceska is 10% crit chance

It will help you reach cap within mid range coyotes buff

[hushed gorge]

thnx

[fresh grove]

Or ouro+chatter+striker and coyote’s mask

[pearl carbon]

Ouro+St almost strike coyote mask with contractors gloves

Or ouro + scopio

Ouro + eagle b in pvp☠️

Is the nemesis good

Don't know too much about snipers

Heard they can be 1 tap on anything and op as poop

[vestal ibex]

Solo without any extra buffs you can pop heads for almost 60 mil.

Just know there is a charge up on nem and that's way overkill for damage. Most people use it to start stacks tho.

[pearl carbon]

😍omg that's beautiful I need a sniper build 100%

Nah I get that still worth it though?

[vestal ibex]

Nem is amazing imo but for solo heroic you don't need it to snipe. You could make a sniper build with tons of other guns.

[pearl carbon]

What's highest dmg without nem sniper

[vestal ibex]

Around 28 mil with a white death.

Enough to one shot legendary enemies on 4 person scaling as long as they aren't full overhealed.

Sniper build guide

Take a look at the above link for a comprehensive build guide into snipers.

[finite jay]

im running a 4 pice striker build and i dont know if i should use a smg or AR

i dont have any exotics

[kindred marten]

Either one works, but usually it’s AR. Use the St. Elmo’s/Famas/Carbine 7/Police M4, whatever you have. Optimist/Fast Hands/Preservation are all good choices for weapon talents. If you don’t have a good ACS-12 (or the named ones, the Rock n’ Roll or Lefty) then you can use a Vector to help build stacks since those have a high RPM.

[finite jay]

i got this

[vestal ibex]

Run a countdown targeting ARs or something.

[tame crane]

which one should I run for now? Working on getting more exotic parts to reroll one to DTTOOC

[finite jay]

also how can i easily build stacks

[bright raptor]

Reroll the left hand one until you get damage to out of cover as the third attribute, use the one on the right if you run out of exotic components before that happens

[bright raptor]

you get close and pump a target full of ACS-12 pellets. Each pellet is a single stack so it's the preferred way to build stacks fast

[tame crane]

alright thought maybe the 7,5% CHC is worth using over the other one, will reroll it 👍

rerolled to this 😢 if just the third attribute was good now

[glossy scarab]

mag size is overkill and totally not beneficial for elmo. i have one too. i put it with a build with mag size increases to see how high it would go and i got this

[tame crane]

yeah well now I have two with mag size haha, will keep rerolling tho

[glossy scarab]

lol rate of fire is a good attribute for it

dmg to armor is just weak when you put it side by side with dtoc

i put dtoc on nemesis and got this

[finite jay]

can you elaborate?, not familiar with the talents in the game

[glossy scarab]

can someone help me find (or just describe to me) the 321 mmr build? i cant find it

[copper halo]

I need help with a healer build what should I look up?

[glossy scarab]

future initiative

[copper halo]

What video is true

[glossy scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEifG2gZDwA skip to a 1:40 if u wanna just look at it

[copper halo]

Thank you

[glossy scarab]

no prob. its best to watch the whole video if you want to know why the build is set up the way it is

[finite jay]

just got this,

[glossy scarab]

very nice

[finite jay]

will it be good with this build?

[glossy scarab]

no the scope will not proc focus talent

use obliterate

[finite jay]

totally forgot abput that

also im under the impression that rmp > dmg. is that true or subjective?

[urban latch]

What matters is rpm x damage, not just one or the other

[finite jay]

ok, ty

[rotund beacon]

How is ongoing directive set with st elmo? Worth it or just take like a famas with sadist?

[urban latch]

Biggest thing you can do for this build (other than the chest talent) is to get 1p ceska in there, then ideally coyotes mask as your second, but it could also be grupo or fenris.

[urban latch]

Your much better off using a high end weapon of choice with sadist. Elmo's shock ammo works against the bleed ammo you get with OD, it's just not a good combination

[rotund beacon]

Aah thank you. Ye im using famas now with sadist.
Question, how is full status effect on OD ? Since i see it has status effect. Im trying to see if its worth farming a vile mask to use with it but idk if someone ever did a build like that

[urban latch]

Not at all worth it. Think of bleed ammo on OD as a DPS buff on a DPS support build. The bleed damage itself is next to meaningless

[rotund beacon]

And what backpack talent should i use? I got unstoppable force now on a grupo backpack

I got. Coyote mask. Grupo backpack . 4p OD
Famas with sadist.

And gunner tech or firewall?

Or gunner still best?

I donated smth through projects but where do i get my reward at?

[urban latch]

imo vigilance is the way to go

[stiff tundra]

do i go fenris, ceska or grupo for striker build. at shd 63

[lethal heath]

so im running st elmos max rolled and 4 piece striker with coyote mask since i play with friends, im looking for a kneepad that would be good with the multiplicative dmg like striker. I'm currently using fox's prayer. Just wondering if there was a better kneepads

my build needs coyote mask as i put my chc to 50% to get the remaining 10% from the mask and put everything else to chd

[pearl carbon]

I just made a 4pc ongoing directive with the Ridgeway chest piece and contractors gloves all reds crit build and it's got the blue-green lmg and lefty shotty and gunner spec is that any good

[lethal heath]

what gun are you using

[pearl carbon]

I've been hitting hard 400k dmg per shot average watch level 300

Bluescreen

Double bleed kinda

[lethal heath]

if youre looking for an increase in dmg stiker is the way as if you run the chest peice and backpack with which ever other 2 pieces you want you can get 1% dmg per stack up to 200%, i hit for 700k-1.1mil. with a healer buff up to 2.2mil dmg per bullet

[pearl carbon]

Yeah I have that on my st almost and ouro build with coyote and fenris

But for ongoing I be trying to make a eed status kinda

[lethal heath]

ah

then i think what you have currently is good yea

[pearl carbon]

Hell yeah appreciate it but just Trina get a good bleed build can't tell what a good one is

[shy willow]

Bleed isn't a very good status effect

Not good CC not good damage; not worth speccing into

[urban latch]

Swapping ceska for the foxes knees will be slightly more efficient and help your secondary more as well

[hexed steppe]

Ceska oblit chest, coyote mask. once your watch is full you wont need any dedicated critical chance rolls and can hit higher critical damage level than with a Grupo piece

[thick wren]

guys ive made some STRIKER build, but that aint that, is there some build that affects enemy armor ? i need to put 2 magazines in a NPC to kill it, almost 2, there must be something to do DMG just like in D1

[tulip charm]

One you can show pics of the build 2. you're playing striker wrong

[finite jay]

that aint striker

[bright raptor]

YouTuber/10 build

[finite jay]

anyone know of a skill build for pvp that isnt reliant on a sticky, im looking for more of a i dont have to do anything build

[gentle lichen]

There isn't

[finite jay]

damn

[urban latch]

Mortar build is the other main pvp skill build

[finite jay]

ok ill check that out

ty

really enjoyed skill builds back in d1 so was hoping to find some similar builds

[slate wedge]

firestarter status build is also great

[thick wren]

my bad i put another pic, that was from my other build

[onyx sage]

are you stacking with lefty

you're using striker with chestpiece so you need to stack with lefty before you can reach your top damage

[thick wren]

is there any way to get attributes that are DMG to armor ?

[onyx sage]

no

and you don't want that anyway because not all targets have armor, especially chungas and warhounds

[thick wren]

dang, i need it to do DMG some close like in D1

[onyx sage]

no, you need more crit

[tulip charm]

^

How much crit do you even have

[finite jay]

tbh you dont need to do chest peice, get striker on your gloves or kneepads and get an obliterate chest something that adds dmg or crit chance for your gun

like mine

[hexed steppe]

between 42-52 with elmo depending on watch

[tulip charm]

imo he shouldnt have an issue then

[hexed steppe]

as long as his secondary highend roll are chc that puts him in a good spot to run coyote it desired. if he is around 42 itll be worth temporarily putting a chc mod or 2

[tulip charm]

yeah would've been nice to add a pic of the stat page aswell

[dreamy valve]

Is this chart still relevant? Not sure since it’s been over a year

[onyx sage]

not really

pts2 striker and pre-buff striker ("current striker") aren't the same as the striker we have now

iirc pts2 striker is the closest we have to know but the stack decay has been buffed

[vestal ibex]

3pc hots-2pc habs-1pc araldi. It's the most MMR damage you can stack so it'll hit the highest when stacked. Hard to farm for and no better than most other sniper builds that are easier to farm for. One of those bored why not things.

[thick wren]

u mean CHC or CHD ? CHC is 49,7 and CHD is 103,6

[vestal ibex]

That CHC would be fine if you are counting on having a teammate provide coyotes mid buff otherwise you should be shooting for CHC cap of 60%.

[glossy scarab]

yeaah its hitting 33 million with the m700 new mmr king by far

beat a white death by 4.6 million damage

[thick wren]

so Coyote is the most needed item for Striker ?

[vestal ibex]

It'll only be better if it lets you hit a new enemy class while stacking.

[vestal ibex]

No it's not needed but it's technically better stats or something you can take advantage of in team play.

[onyx sage]

what are you hitting for on a normal enemy at 0-stack, 1-stack and max-stack?

normal as in pure health, no armor

[glossy scarab]

the shock of st elmo nerfs the gun because the status resistance they put in. now your shock rounds have low damage. same for eclipse, doesnt burn as strong because the status is being partially blocked

[vestal ibex]

This guy gets it.

[glossy scarab]

hang on. heroic firing range, normal enemy m700 at no stack, 1 stack and max stack ok

[thick wren]

Should i maybe use red gloves or a holster to burn them so i can get advantage for a few seconds, that always makes a difrence

[onyx sage]

yeah that should be a good enough approximation

cuz 33 million means you can one shot a legendary elite mini tank solo 🤣 which is still relevant

for later reference: "skill damage dealt" is explosion damage from legendary elite minitank explosion when it dies, "team damage" is the hp of a legendary elite minitank in solo. if this proves useful for anyone

[glossy scarab]

no stacks 8,826,112. one stack 19,858,750, max stack 32,935,900

[onyx sage]

follow ups: how much expertise, how much dta, how much dttooc?

[vestal ibex]

I'm not sure what you're even using your build for. I'm just elaborating on what was originally said. Looking at your build makes me guess it's for legendary or the incursion because you're wearing strikers chest. Some advice given is just general things you should do and others are situational for it's use. The CHC advice is just general crit build advice.

[vestal ibex]

You'll want the HSD number too.

[thick wren]

what should i put instead of the chest, what is ur opinion

havent done yet any Incurions

[onyx sage]

yeah how much hsd too, i forgot to ask

[hollow pasture]

M700 my beloved

[vestal ibex]

Obliterate chest is typically recommended. If you want to stick to grupo/ceska brands it can be either of those brands. I'd suggest farming up both eventually as they are both useful in different versions. If you decided to throw a coyotes mask that can be good too and you'd set your CHC based on the short or mid buff received from it.

[thick wren]

ty man 🙂

[glossy scarab]

326% hsd. 85% mmr damage

[vestal ibex]

Do you have a comparable WD with the same expertise for comparison?

[onyx sage]

doesn't look like that m700 has any expertise then

[vestal ibex]

If that's not expertise then hot dang.

Snipers might actually get an ultimate build type that is better because it reaches new enemy classes.

[glossy scarab]

this is ekims long stick at 20m, 45m and 50m

[glossy scarab]

yeah the m700 beats white death by 4.6 million

[onyx sage]

321, +20 white death, last bullet damage with optimist

[vestal ibex]

Top damage only matters in one or two particular situations.

[onyx sage]

321, +0 m700 replica, last bullet damage with optimist with dttooc (can't get another attribute sadly)

[vestal ibex]

If you can hit new enemy classes and have a larger amount of enemies you can shoot on your no stack and one stack that's the only real driver behind if a sniper build is better.

[onyx sage]

takes 4 shots for m700 replica to reach max-stack but these are the numbers, again sadly with dttooc

also i'm not using scope so this isn't the most hsd one can get

let me get numbers again with a dead talent

321, +0 m700 replica preservation (no damage talent), awd 2.85, hsd 2.81, dttooc 1.1, normal enemy

[vestal ibex]

Just need a comparison of all the snipers now.

[onyx sage]

you want a base damage comparison for now?

[vestal ibex]

That would be dope.

[onyx sage]

hold on a sec, compiling the info

the decimal points matter for HH calcs so i'm leaving 4 fraction digits in

[vestal ibex]

Had to add in where the info came from eh?

[onyx sage]

just for reference 😉

also the old and new base damage numbers happen to have the same order so i just removed the last line

[bronze hound]

Wait m700 is new bis?

[onyx sage]

yes

[bronze hound]

Wack

[onyx sage]

model 700 tho

so the round-reload variants

m700 carbon isn't that far behind but is mag-reload

[bronze hound]

So ekims stick over white death

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't have the clip reload like the white death on empty right?

[bronze hound]

No it doesn't

[shell sun]

Yikes - it was 9.1 Mil Total DPS, it dropped before i could stop the count

St. Elmo with the following:

[gentle lichen]

Firing range isn't an accurate dps calculator

[shell sun]

it was topping out at 9.1, works enough for me to get an average

[hexed steppe]

if you use ceska you will be at 52%chc with only the 2 secondary rolls on coyote/chest. ceska allow for 9% more chd iirc

2 dedicated chc rolls on the striker pieces or mod slots, correct?

[shell sun]

i dont have Ceska, is the problem, cant fab it.

[hexed steppe]

its more for min maxing purposes. i would just keep an eye out for one

[shell sun]

actually i do, the holster

but then i lose 4 striker

[hexed steppe]

its gotta be the chest

[shell sun]

and this is PTS anyways, not worth the effort

my live EXP is 8

[hexed steppe]

but itll slot intoa lot of other builds

[shell sun]

these are at 24

is it possible to get St. Elmos's off that Health Damage for the core?

[hazy steeple]

Nope, only the 3rd attribute can be changed on them.

the first 2 attributes are always the same for a gun "type". E.g. AR's always have health damage, LMG's always have dtooc, etc.

[shell sun]

re-rolled it got CHD

[hazy steeple]

To be clear, the "core" refers to the first attribute on an item, with guns it's always weapon damage.
Show the gun itself.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah that's the "3rd attribute". What you ideally want there is dtooc (damage to target out of cover). But there's no real reason to reroll it, just farm out a fresh one.

[shell sun]

its PTS, i can reroll them endlessly

[hazy steeple]

None of this carries over to the actual live-service game, so go nuts I guess.

[shell sun]

i know this 😉

i run the PTS focus, then i also use PTS to play with a bunch of other builds im not typically used to running or associated with.

[glossy scarab]

8% regen. crazy

[shell sun]

thats about right, looking at your 1.91 armor, 10% would be 191K

[glossy scarab]

great in the dz. except fighting rogues who obviously have much more damage than me in a regen build

[glossy scarab]

no, that was at max expertise

[onyx sage]

ah okay then your all weapon damage bonus shouldn't say 100% then. should specify that also

mmr damage will stay at 85% but expertise doesn't modify that

[glossy scarab]

i never had a pic that showed the all weapon bonus or said it was 100%

[onyx sage]

no no, i mean you should say it also because i asked earlier. all good tho

[glossy scarab]

oh i totaly missed that part

my bad

[gentle lichen]

Ninjabike or memento?

[glossy scarab]

memento

[gentle lichen]

Ninjabike is 7% right off the bat

2 gila 1 golan 1 belstone and emperor's

[glossy scarab]

yep i have 3 gila, emperors, belstone and memento. another version thats 7% using 3 gila, 2 golan, emperors

[cyan drift]

like 5 days late but, yep

[tawdry flare]

@broken edge

[broken edge]

call me crazy but that list doesnt have vanilla P416

[tawdry flare]

yeah i forgot also ctar

[broken edge]

Vanilla game not PTS

same damage, honey badger wins on rof but loses on having one less mod slot to P416

and the entire point i was making was about that YES they touched honey badget, not about HOW MUCH it should have been adjusted

[tawdry flare]

ik but they made p416 broken

[broken edge]

that was not the original discussion, so not sure why you were saying they didnt touch honey badger

everything after that i'm not disagreeing

[tawdry flare]

did i my bad i was busy making the spreadsheet

[fresh fox]

@magic pilot what are the legendary 4 player health threshholds?

[tawdry flare]

25mil iirc

[tawdry flare]

we have a sheet for it

[fresh fox]

thinking of trying out a FI headhunter

[tawdry flare]

@broken edge

[fresh fox]

ok judging on the lack of response i think the FI headhunter is a no go

[magic pilot]

For leg group it's a no go

[fresh fox]

👍

[fresh fox]

could you send the link?

i can’t find the sheet.

[tawdry flare]

MHH i think @onyx sage have it i can't find it at the moment

[onyx sage]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml#

[onyx sage]

FI makes you run FI chest and that means you can't run headhunter anyway

[tawdry flare]

you have to run fi with vigilance bag and headhunter which will be 15% twd still lower than HF will give you from base

[onyx sage]

nah it's the lack of weapon damage you get from not running hotshot and airaldi/habsburg

[tawdry flare]

it is the lack of the bonus when you do not run 5.11

[vivid idol]

So I got complete striker build, coyote mask, and ceska.
Elmo and acs12
What part of details should I focus to get stronger?

[fresh fox]

yea was just theory crafting since our other dps doesn’t care enough to run red crit FI

[flint wave]

I would go "the mop" instead of acs unless 200 stacks striker. Better damage at close range and free aok

[vivid idol]

The mop? And 200 stacks striker? I thought it was 100

[flint wave]

Striker chest makes it 200

mop is a named six 12 shotgun

[fresh fox]

just run preservation on your acs

[hazy steeple]

Or Gunner, since it comes w/ free AoK and negates the need to run a non-DPS talent on your ACS.

(or Lefty for the shotgun), before someone inevitably mentions it.

[rigid wing]

what gear set is the crow? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bVFOAwFXf32ZNjdDnBKCYcQ5gxJGR656
I'm tryin to farm for a dz build and was plannin on followin this one

[fallen comet]

umbra probably

[rigid wing]

i just found out. its Yaahl gear set but I can't farm it from countdown D:

[fallen comet]

theres gear set and theres brand set

[rigid wing]

its just a high end brand set

weird. I can craft replicas of it, but can't farm in countdown o.o

[bright raptor]

Yaahl only drops in the Dark Zones

[fallen comet]

only 3 slots are craftable

[bright raptor]

on occasion the clan vendor or DZ vendors may have a Yaahl item for sale

[fallen comet]

not worth buying from dz vendor for deconstructing obv

[rigid wing]

so... do another build for now then transition to a yaahl build

[gentle lichen]

What kind of ARs would someone farm for when project resolve drops

[fallen comet]

F2000 seems kinda decent now

[hollow pasture]

F2000
P416
Maybe CTAR

[hushed gorge]

hows this for PvE?

[gentle lichen]

Also how good would capacitor become now that you could roll dttooc

[fallen comet]

how about a screenshot of the actual build?

[hushed gorge]

forgot to upload my gear

[fallen comet]

ditch blues imo

and go with ceska chest

[gentle lichen]

Ceska is overcap isn't it

Yeah by 3%

[hushed gorge]

Already have 57 Crit Chance

[gentle lichen]

Yeah if ceska it'll jump to 63%

[fallen comet]

i usually go with all crit damage attributes on my striker build

[gentle lichen]

1 chc mod + grupo has more crit value than all chd mods + ceska

On ouro

[hexed steppe]

Striker oreo still better with ceska... even @ 3%chc overcap.
Chc x chd

With coyote since its cqb close buff

Also you want to push that right to cap because your secondary will be lacking chc otherwise

[hexed steppe]

How many mods/rolls dedicated to chc outside of the secondary rolls on chest/nask

[hushed gorge]

I am not on pc right now.
But as far as i can remember
I am getting 31 CHC from the Ouroboros
So 57-31 CHC is coming from the gears

[hexed steppe]

Chc on watch maxed?

[hushed gorge]

Yeah

CHC and CHD maxed from SHD watch

Giving it again so dont mind guys🙂

[topaz briar]

whats a good set for defence that you can use with 2 pieces?

[shy willow]

Best defence in this game is offence

[topaz briar]

idc I want atleast a 2 piece that adds armor and also maybe armor on kill with a good set bonus like more armor or armor on kill

[shy willow]

Just use 4 piece hunters fury

[sullen sun]

Are these types of builds really that much better than a regular spotter build?

In the DZ

[shy willow]

And use memento

[worn raptor]

Hey guys, I'm currently playing a TotS build (sharpshooter + mantis), but I feel a bit useless in group content cause people kill stuff with autos/smgs or whatever a lot faster than I can headshot. Is that just a git gud situation, or are sniper builds generally less useful?

[topaz briar]

what is that weapon?

[shy willow]

Saint Elmo

[shy willow]

Sniper builds fall off the more people you add because of the group scaling

[gentle lichen]

Why ad rush

[shy willow]

The stuff you can one shot goes way down

[sullen sun]

ad rush?

[gentle lichen]

Adrenaline rush

[worn raptor]

Ah, yeah, that makes sense - I was struggling in a 4 man to get my Spear buff going. Time to look for a different build for group content I think!

[sullen sun]

Oh..farming for another bag atm

[shy willow]

Can't go wrong with strikers/negotiators

[gentle lichen]

Also fenris on all red doesn't have much value

Replace with grupo

[sullen sun]

Is armor dmg better than crit though?

[topaz briar]

can I still get it?

[shy willow]

Yes

[topaz briar]

how

[sullen sun]

Countdown

[sullen sun]

Or someone can drop it for you

[topaz briar]

AR for targeted loot?

which difficulty should I chose? Challenging? I think Heroic might be a bit to much

[shy willow]

Difference between challenging and heroic is negligible

[topaz briar]

where do I change the targeted loot of countdown again?

[gentle lichen]

Beg to differ

[junior surge]

The difference in loot isn't big. The enemy tankiness however is quite different

[shy willow]

In countdown not that different loot wise

[sullen sun]

Better?

[hollow pasture]

You do it for an extra challenge
The difference is indeed negligible

[hexed steppe]

Use memento. Armor core, bonus armor on trophy pickups, 3% armor regen.
Also helps skill and dps.
1r 1y 1b cores

[onyx sage]

heroic is for the currency gain mostly, which matters for exotic caches

[hexed steppe]

You can hover over summit hold h.
CD and summit share target loot selection

Personally I dont find heroic cd worth it. Its 50 credits difference.
Challenging you pretty much have 100% extraction rate even if a few agents crash.
Also no build checking because it's easier to carry sub par builds

[bronze hound]

50 credits is a lot when youre going for exo caches

[hexed steppe]

That's if you have 100% extraction rate...

Which isnt really the case. Crashes are uncontrollable

[bronze hound]

id say mine is around 95%

[hexed steppe]

Also time spend build checking and waiting for fills lowers the credits/hr

[bronze hound]

idk i just hopped into a game within seconds

[hexed steppe]

On average* that isnt always the case

[bronze hound]

on average i dont wait longer than 10 seconds

[hexed steppe]

Over the course of a week I bet they break pretty even

But I'm not gonna go into tracking weekly 😅

[bronze hound]

and with heroic giving more rewards idk why you wouldnt pick it

[hexed steppe]

It's not a huge difference. 50 credits more... and I kinda spelled it out above why I feel heroic isnt worth it

[bronze hound]

50 credits is 30% more

[hexed steppe]

Build checking reduces the difference.
Crashing and failure reduces the difference.
Also kicks for going vip reduce the difference 😉

[bronze hound]

i dont have build check issues if i dont lead the group and i dont crash or fail

[hexed steppe]

Its a very common practice. And takes longer than 10 seconds to do. Hell it could take 10 seconds to load up a single players build

[bronze hound]

if im matchmaking its not usually on a group with 1/8

[hexed glen]

What material is this? cant find it anywhere

[bronze hound]

true sons optimization material you can craft it or get it dropped from named true sons enemies (not in countdown)

[hexed glen]

righto righto! thanks!

[rotund beacon]

Where do i get field recon data bundle blueprint?

[topaz briar]

I just got 2 Saint Elmos in one countdown match, it drops that often?

[hexed steppe]

Level 3+ control points

[hexed steppe]

Rng

[rotund beacon]

Thank you, does st elmo beat a good famas?

[shy willow]

In most situations yes

[hexed steppe]

Famas has higher damage. Both are good weapons

Once project ramshackle drops a lot of weapons will be getting buffs to throw off the meta

[shy willow]

Can't wait to get my dttooc eagle bearer

[bronze hound]

id disagree

sustained dps aint in question

[onyx sage]

there are better players who can land consistently more shots with famas than the average person

[bronze hound]

ty for the compliment :>

[elder dagger]

Is DTOC better than weapon dmg and if so why?

[onyx sage]

which items are you comparing exactly

[onyx sage]

i'm also patting myself on the back 🤣

[elder dagger]

Foxes kneepads vs running a 1 piece Fenris Knee pad. Both have +15% weapon dmg. But the 1pc bonus gives 10% AR Dmg and you lose the 8% DTOC from foxes

[bronze hound]

AR damage isnt weapon damage

[elder dagger]

Do they scale differently?

[bronze hound]

yes

[elder dagger]

see i need a spreadsheet or som showing me how everything scales

[onyx sage]

yes, dttooc is its own multiplier, while it has multiple sources just like weapon damage, its sources are more rare, mostly coming from your weapon or from fox

[bronze hound]

AR damage will be added with the AR damage on your weapon which is why its less valuable

[elder dagger]

I had a spreadsheet that gave a bunch of info a while back but the link is no longer valid

it was the 'I'm 40 now what do i do' or som

[onyx sage]

this is a good guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/gi0uel/weapon_damage_101_bullet_damage/

[bronze hound]

if you have two 10% AR damage attributes its treated as 20%

[hexed glen]

anyone tried 4p heartbreaker, 3p striker with ninja bag?

[bronze hound]

but if you have 10% AR and 8% DTTOOC you have more than 18% total because they are calculated separately

[bronze hound]

ninjabike is not good

[onyx sage]

note that there are some wording in game that won't actually accurately portray how the talent/buff works in practice, so just ask here for specific questions

[elder dagger]

so the foxes with the 8% dtoc will be more damage than the fenris 10% ar

[bronze hound]

yes

[elder dagger]

I never knew the weapon specific dmg (AR, LMG, etc) scaled separately from Weapon dmg

I always treated them as the same

[onyx sage]

no no, they scale the same way

[hexed glen]

y tho?

[bronze hound]

no good brand set bonuses atm

[onyx sage]

it's just that you already have too much of them that other multipliers bring more value

[elder dagger]

ah

[onyx sage]

i can give you a bit of context

[elder dagger]

I considered DTA too. But, so many bosses/mobs don't even have armor in Div 2. Feels like it's not as valuable as it was in D1

[onyx sage]

on a full red build, 1k+ shd, with your specs fully leveled, your "weapon damage" multiplier is 2.3

if you add fenris, your AR's weapon damage is 2.4

which is a 2.4/2.3 = 1.043 or 4.3% increase. if you take fox, in its ideal builds you lose some crit and a brand bonus but you gain 8% dttooc

and due to the way the damage formula works, that dttooc is worthwhile

[elder dagger]

Yea I need to research stat weights and get a better understanding. My lack of that understanding explains why some of my builds were ass.

[onyx sage]

now i said "in its ideal builds", and i do mean it because in most gear set builds like striker (which has the strongest single target damage right now) fox isn't worth using

because as it turns out, striker builds lack too much crit compared to high end

[elder dagger]

hm..see I'm currently running 4 pc striker with grupo chest w obliterate and foxes

[bronze hound]

change grupo to ceska

[elder dagger]

for the 10% crit rate rather than the 15% crit dmg?

[bronze hound]

yes

[onyx sage]

yes, crit rate is worth twice the amount of crit damage in div2

[elder dagger]

what soft cap do you run for crit rate?

[onyx sage]

you aim for a 1:2 ratio in chc:chd until you reach 60% chc

[bronze hound]

wdym soft cap

[shy willow]

60 chc is the max

[onyx sage]

then go all into chd

60% is hard cap in this game

[shy willow]

Like binoculars said after that just dump everything into CHD

[elder dagger]

gotcha

You got any links to understanding PVP builds? I have pve builds that are absolutely atrocious in the DZ. I'd like to figure out how to better build for PVP too.

[hexed glen]

ninja bag doesnt work with gear sets?

[bronze hound]

not well at all no

[onyx sage]

check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel, has tons of build links including a pvp starter guide

[shy willow]

The brand set bonuses ain't worth it for the loss of a backpack talent

And if it's the multi core aspect you're after just use memento

[pulsar star]

anyone got goods pvp armor/DPS builds?

[onyx sage]

read above

[bronze hound]

mate was asking about 4 hb 3 striker

[pulsar star]

??? where

[onyx sage]

_ _

[shy willow]

Yikes😭

[hexed glen]

im new to the game and solo alot. thinking it would give me enough sustainability

[shy willow]

Memento + strikers