td2-build-advice

[limpid pelican]

max watch etc etc

[stark trout]

ah it makes that much of a diff huh?

[limpid pelican]

all red high end build should be 202% fully optimized

yessir huge difference

[stark trout]

ah ok i thought the watch was hardly something

im at 205 so long way to go

[limpid pelican]

max watch gets you +10% crit chance and +20% crit damage by default

as well as damage/headshot %

[stark trout]

Any tips or builds on how to do the legendary roosevelt? im not going beyond the third area with st elmos strikers

[limpid pelican]

are you running it solo?

[stark trout]

no. randoms

usually 3-4 of us but no luck since yesterday

[limpid pelican]

ah thats the case then. best strat ive used was setting up in the rooms you completed prior

and using skills to bait them/funnel in

[stark trout]

ah nice. so skill build will be better here?

[limpid pelican]

nah you want id say 1 or 2 skill builds including a healer if necessary

and the other all red dps

[stark trout]

ok

[limpid pelican]

from that point your people with skill builds can overcharge your turret/decoy as well to further pull agro

[stark trout]

btw how do u break those warhounds? u hit the legs?

[limpid pelican]

if they have the red joint at their hip yea

otherwise just beam them. i still havent figured out if theres an instant damage spot on them...

[stark trout]

ok thx

[limpid pelican]

for sure, good luck

[shy willow]

Hit the hind legs

[shy willow]

Shield peek

[stark trout]

thx

[tranquil wave]

Anyone has any decent Ninja bp build for pvp?

[west kiln]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2MB951jWlc&ab_channel=Heller

[stark trout]

really well explained

[vivid idol]

can someone help me suggest build for lmg, secondary i usually use shotgun or sniper

but i usually like to assault and push the enemy, and not really supressing

[hexed steppe]

Swap over to assault rifle / shotgun. Itll be better suited to killing instead of suppressing.
Use striker, as its top dps and works well

Striker setup is in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[fair ridge]

yo chat, with heartbreaker, what pieces do people usually wear and do they change the core from armor to wpn%?

[glossy scarab]

heartbreaker is hard to find the sweet spot for when it comes to how many blues and how many reds. sometimes i play 3 red, 3 blue. sometimes all red, sometimes 2 blue 4 red. depends on how much you are relying on bonus armor i guess

[fair ridge]

found the spreadsheet, seems like my pieces are somewhat correct. got the vigilance ceska too

[glossy scarab]

yeah. are you gonna use the HB chest? or go for an oblit or spotter or something

[fair ridge]

i am currently using max armor/chc hb chest

getting other pieces with chc and red core is kinda tough

[glossy scarab]

they drop just keep running countdown

[torn ore]

I just died to this build in dz😭

It can't be good so how ;-;

Or is it? Idk

[gentle lichen]

Can't be? What gave you that thought?

Ouro vs any weapon with sadist ouro easily wins

So even on ridgeways it's the go to

[torn ore]

Ridgeway ain't that strong, and fury only buffs on kill

Nvm forgot about the other debuff

[torn ore]

I'm not talking about sadist

[gentle lichen]

20% amp is strong from hf

Pair that with wicked and ouro it'll melt

[torn ore]

But still, I had a high striker stacks but he didn't die

[wooden finch]

show ur build

[torn ore]

Well I did get close

[gentle lichen]

I also dislike saying this but. They may have had way more expertise than you

[torn ore]

Yeah they did

Far more

[gentle lichen]

This shouldn't discourage you from actually pvping tho. You can copy Their build and try it out

[gentle lichen]

Isn't too bad UNLESS you are below 50 stacks

Striker's you gotta stack up or every trade is a loss for you

[torn ore]

Then I'm a dirty copycat

though I kinda want to, I use to run HF, and my friend gave me a max ridgeway

[gentle lichen]

What's with it? That's how you kinda get all your pvp builds

[torn ore]

No I don't

[gentle lichen]

"They killed me so i want to inspect their build and see what they used in order to win the battle"

That was my mentality when pvping

[torn ore]

Ngl, I'm only going cause not much else to do in the division

[glossy scarab]

farming loot goblin over and over. its 6 or 7 times in a row ive caught him by the dz south entrance

this is dumb bc you can get the same hsd from punch drunk. but i figured i might keep

[gentle lichen]

Chillout always taking L's in all departments

[glossy scarab]

yeah the only decent thing ive used it for is stacking pfe

[gentle lichen]

I can even argue this because on all pfe build you prolly only have 3 brands left and wasting one on gila isn't really good

And 6 12% mod + survivalist is already 80% which is max

[torn ore]

What's pfe

[hazy steeple]

"Protection from Elites".
Elites are the gold enemies.

[torn ore]

And I should get me some too

[torn ore]

thx

[torn ore]

Should I use sokolov too or ceska/grupo

[tame flax]

too much weapon damage ramping requires in pvp with 4 strikers.

[merry drift]

can some one explain to me why this guy have high stats then me pls im new in this game

[torn ore]

So yes?

[tame flax]

so no, from my end, I wouldn't use 4 strikers. u need something else more instantaneous damage

[merry drift]

anyone?

[gentle lichen]

Basically rng

[tame flax]

Time, dedication and perseverance

[gentle lichen]

And recalibration library

[slate nest]

and optimization

[hazy steeple]

Mostly luck.

[torn ore]

I'm trying the build above

[torn ore]

.

[rich lotus]

Is there a proper DZ pulse resist build in the spreadsheet? Am I being dense and missing it?

[torn ore]

There's a mask that grants 100% pulse resistance

[vestal ibex]

Pulse haste**

[gentle lichen]

Nope. If you're thinking of nightwatcher it's 100% pulse skill haste

[rich lotus]

Really really don't want to go watch a clickbaity, 50-minute video where the build is featured for about three seconds and not explained further

[gentle lichen]

Raucey and prodigy have excellent builds

[torn ore]

Oh

[gentle lichen]

I believe they are mentioned in the spreadsheet

[glossy scarab]

protection from elites

[vestal ibex]

But you get to watch cherry picked footage of 1 instance where they got a couple good kills.

[rich lotus]

In the spreadsheet? I honestly can't see it.
I'm possibly being stupid, I'm well aware of this - there's the 'Basic PvP Starters Guide' but there aren't any PR builds in there

[tawdry flare]

How about you join me on Saturday

[gentle lichen]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-faObg6CJgNFJ8G1VEqsqTI7SpZKgBSWDgJhEpb6Q_g/edit

[rich lotus]

And it ignores entirely the times they're getting stomped 🤣 pretty much!

[gentle lichen]

KVD. The farmed guy

[tawdry flare]

🍌 Guy

[vestal ibex]

4 watt?

[tawdry flare]

5 11

Last member special invitation from @urban latch to join his 5.11/improvised run

[urban latch]

I don't think this is my run or my idea lol

[tawdry flare]

But you are going to be the leader cause we are playing in US server

[rich lotus]

Interesting. OK, I don't see anything identical to what I'm after which is a me issue.
I've seen something on YouTube that's fairly close, a fairly reasonable-looking small creator but it's this essentially (I don't think I'm allowed to link the video):
1x Fenris mask
The shock holster, whatever the heck it's called
Grupo BP w/ Vigilance
3x Yaahl, one chest with Unbreakable
St Elmo, decoy and pulse

5 blue cores, 60/152, 100% PR

[torn ore]

Should I use Sokolov BP too or can I use ceska/grip instead

[gentle lichen]

By decopro

[rich lotus]

That's close. Nemesis seems an odd choice but I'll go with it

[gentle lichen]

This probably does very poor damage

[gentle lichen]

Nemesis is busted op in pvp

1 headshot crit can down ANYBODY

A crit body can down 2 blue users and the sort

[rich lotus]

Interesting

[rich lotus]

Yeah, likely. The rest of the video was him wiping teams and honestly, they just ran in single-file towards him and did next to nothing. A lot of the video was him dying though

[gentle lichen]

Use this if you don't want pulse but want an ooomph on your kingbreaker or nemesis

3.1m crit head with neme meaning any players isn't surviving that

[urban latch]

That's every dz build video in existence

[gentle lichen]

King breaker does around 250k

[gentle lichen]

Skill also plays a very major role in those clips

You might actually perform better lol

[rich lotus]

Miley Cyrus went to shit after society collapsed, damn

[gentle lichen]

Or they might post an actually good build (meta) but perform poorly making the build look bad

[gentle lichen]

I have changed since then 😔

[rich lotus]

Saved that one too. I much prefer this one honestly, Yaahl pieces are a real pain to get

[gentle lichen]

Unlucky for you they were for sale last reset at clan

[tawdry flare]

I have a yahl hazpro skill DMG pcs

[rich lotus]

They were, I bought as many as I could but wasted the materials on absolute dross

Nothing even remotely usable, not even the right attribute rolls. Granted, most of it was on trying to get an Unbreakable/armour/CHC/CHD chest (which didn't happen in about 20 rolls)

[gentle lichen]

Other than straight pvp and dz proficiency cache farming I can't suggest a better way of farming yaahl

[rich lotus]

Great, congratulations!

[merry drift]

what name of this

[urban latch]

Ouroboros, new smg from the incursion

[tawdry flare]

Ouroboros the new meta

[merry drift]

where i can farm it?

[tawdry flare]

The incursion 1% drop chance from the boss and 10% chance per crate at the end

[torn ore]

What's the difference between custom and express m870 in their stats

[gentle lichen]

Mostly recoil i think

[tawdry flare]

Exact same stats bit different attachments

[gentle lichen]

I don't even think that's the case

Cause i use express and mcs

[tawdry flare]

That is th case

[hazy steeple]

According to the spreadsheet: nothing.

[tawdry flare]

You can put 5% Headshot on one's mag and can't on another

[gentle lichen]

Why would you even

[hazy steeple]

5% HSD. someone call the police we got some sick modding going on.

[tawdry flare]

With HF to reach 150% headshot if you are using memento chainkiller hf

[gentle lichen]

20% reload speed just better

[tawdry flare]

That 5% is the difference b/w cap

[hazy steeple]

Yes exactly, unless you are somehow at exactly 145% HSD and you just can't bring yourself to use anything else to gain it, it'll work.

[tawdry flare]

That is the case cause I have once run 145% had entire time on my hf memento build

[hazy steeple]

Your build is weird.

[tawdry flare]

For like 2 months

[tawdry flare]

Not it is not tbh it's just 4pcs + chainkiller + memento all rolled headshot

It's just most people doesn't notice it

[hazy steeple]

There is a stats page that tells you how much HSD you have. It's not a secret.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but that 5% is the exact difference b/w having it and not having the chainkiller cap

[hazy steeple]

Wait, Memento+chainkiller and what gearset?

[tawdry flare]

HF

You can calculate it

[hazy steeple]

No I don't care that much, I'll just assume it's fine.

[tawdry flare]

I ran at 145% had for 2 months cause the build was saved in my load out and I didn't notice

[urban latch]

Yeah, you have to be basically completely optimized to hit 150% hsd with a shotgun on the HF chainkiller/memento setup.

[onyx sage]

rivens, he's right on this

[hazy steeple]

Yes I'm aware that it requires 150%.

[onyx sage]

no not that, but that build barely gets to 145% hsd and that mod being necessary is true

[hazy steeple]

Yeah I know.

[rich lotus]

got this on grudge, was this a guarantee

[bronze hound]

155% hsd

ignore the ar idfk what to put in that slot

[urban latch]

But that's DCH not memento which is what we were talking about

[rich lotus]

Oh WOW! You got that on a GRUDGE?!

[bronze hound]

with memento its impossible to hit 150 w/o the mag mod

[onyx sage]

yeah the hsd on dodge is the extra 10%

[bronze hound]

unless you run sharpshooter not gunner

[tawdry flare]

Only for MMR and rifle

[bronze hound]

It only gives hsd for MMRs and rifles?

[rich lotus]

you can get more than 1 grudge?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

You sure

[hazy steeple]

Grudge is a Named SMG, you can farm out a copy via TL.

[rich lotus]

should i export that 21% crit chance and put on another gun later on?

[shy willow]

You can get more than one of any gear item

[hazy steeple]

Absolutely yes.

[shy willow]

It does?

[rich lotus]

No, I was being flippant. Grudge is not very good.
You don't get fixed rolls though, they're random. Nice to recal that CC though

it also has this

[onyx sage]

yes, it's unique to the grudge

[rich lotus]

thats nice

[bronze hound]

seems to be the case

[rich lotus]

i will use this until i get a cooler smg then, what guns can use osprey 45 suppressor?

[hazy steeple]

All copies will have that, Named Items have a special "slot" that is unique to them. In the Grudge's case, it's that Talent.

[bronze hound]

i just checked

[urban latch]

It's an alright starter weapon you get each time you finish the dlc. It'll always have that talent, smg damage, and crit chance.

[shy willow]

I've been running sharpshooter on HHF for no reason

[bronze hound]

so yeah with memento its impossible to reach 150 without the mod

[shy willow]

Firewall is the way then

[tawdry flare]

Quite handy with ongoing directive

[onyx sage]

not for "no reason", the flashbang and tac50 are useful

[rich lotus]

is there a list or smth where i can see those

[bronze hound]

why do you want to use a specific suppressor

it doesnt provide a tactical advantage

[shy willow]

With HHF wouldn't the striker shield be good though

[hazy steeple]

Just a note: you should still extract it whenever you're done with the SMG, but you probably won't be putting it on another gun.
it's best to change the Talent on weapons, so you should farm them out until the 3rd attribute is the one you want by default.

[shy willow]

Or actually probably the bulwark

[bronze hound]

i run gunner for bonus aok

[onyx sage]

yes firewall fits it more, but some strats favor one spec over others. just that firewall has that damage amping shield

[tawdry flare]

With tac 50 you are the cap from the start

[hexed steppe]

well, unless you use providence hh chest

[onyx sage]

sometimes you really need a flashbang to make things work

[tawdry flare]

The 20% stability is nice also

[onyx sage]

big loss over chainkiller

[rich lotus]

Sometimes you really need a Sleigher to make things work

[hexed steppe]

only on stacking. youll hit a similar top end

[tawdry flare]

5.11 FTW

[onyx sage]

of course, but you remember before getting memento stacks, your 1-stack kills will suffer even worse

a 6% difference in 1-stack damage matters

[rich lotus]

Fun fact: 5.11 is named that because that's just about as far as you're digging your own grave by using it

[hexed steppe]

well headshot improves first shots more that w/h right

[tawdry flare]

With memento you want expertise lvl15-20 regulus to one shot solo heroic nocs

[shy willow]

So this is why I can't one shot the things other people can

[hexed steppe]

ill have 1 next week hopefully , got 135 exos just itching to find a new home

[bronze hound]

or just dch

[rich lotus]

you can only change 1 thing?

[bronze hound]

yes

[rich lotus]

Yeah

well that sucks

[hazy steeple]

Indeed it does.
so make sure it's the Talent.

your 3rd attribute is pretty much always going to be dtooc (damage to target out of cover)

[onyx sage]

5% weapon damage still beats it by a liiiiiittle bit even for first shot

[hexed steppe]

yeah but if you cant hit 150% cap for some reason it doesnt matter

[onyx sage]

thing is you can

the point is to strive for both chainkiller and 150% hsd if possible

only if you absolutely cannot do you go down to providence

[hexed steppe]

sure. but if someone is trying to make the build and not the mats to optimize the shit out of it, providence would be a fair option

[onyx sage]

ofc no one disagrees

[tawdry flare]

You only remember cause you just ran it like that

[onyx sage]

i had to scrounge for hsd on my alt

i know the feeling

[tawdry flare]

Me too

[hazy steeple]

Once you get to the phase of "trying to make a niche build with the wrong gear", I think you'll probably have the mats to optimise it.

[onyx sage]

it's an ongoing project for me to figure out how new players go about the game nowadays so i can give better advice

[hexed steppe]

you would be surprised

[rich lotus]

should i stick to this?

[tawdry flare]

It is not niche it has some solo world records for its name

[tawdry flare]

It's a nice shotgun

[onyx sage]

good rolls, keep it and reroll talent to pummel

[onyx sage]

nerdge

[tawdry flare]

Time for 5.11 binoculars

[onyx sage]

nah I'm good fam

[tawdry flare]

You have not tasted the meta yet

[shy willow]

Ouuuchhhhh that core

[rich lotus]

5.11 binoculars are for looking up at the others in the damage scoreboard at the end of the activity

[onyx sage]

lmaoo

[rich lotus]

shhh just gaslight yourself

[onyx sage]

still waiting for someone to change their profile to headhunter in this discord

[rich lotus]

I don't mind rebranding as Creeping Death for the lulz
It's a great song anyway

[onyx sage]

then we become duo advice givers

[tawdry flare]

The most I can do is 5.11

[onyx sage]

i hope azur is doing okay

[tawdry flare]

Why

Finally name matches the pic

[blissful rampart]

i feel a disturbance in the force..... 🥶

[rich lotus]

I want to know what the other 31 Azurmen were like

[tawdry flare]

Lmfao 😂

[tame flax]

for what build?

[hazy steeple]

there can be only one

[onyx sage]

yoooo welcome back

[flint wave]

Azur didn't get banned poggies

[onyx sage]

any crit shotgun build can use it

[shy willow]

Haven't seen azur in a while

[blissful rampart]

they were... childish, fools, weaker and easily bamboozled, there was no room for them in this multi verse.

[onyx sage]

lmao

[rich lotus]

not sure yet

[gentle lichen]

What about azurwomen?

[onyx sage]

can use in hunter's fury

[blissful rampart]

went on vacation, got sick then super busy in RL. im sorry man!

[blissful rampart]

you mean Azur8008135 😎

[onyx sage]

no worries good sir, glad to know you're alive and well

[tawdry flare]

Azur 5.11 is where

[blissful rampart]

in the trash, right next to Focus. were they belong.

[onyx sage]

Wow

[rich lotus]

binoculars, you shouldn't take that. You're perfect

[hexed steppe]

🤣

savage

[tawdry flare]

Ok than time for yt build

[gentle lichen]

Not my focus striker's 😔

[blissful rampart]

Perfectly trash 😎

[flint wave]

[tawdry flare]

Perfect 5.11

[onyx sage]

i remember back then how he didn't recognize me at all lmao

[rich lotus]

"I don't think about you at all"

[onyx sage]

"this guy loves focus as much as you... wait a minute"

[blissful rampart]

hahah

HEY that was BEFORE i knew you could change your username per server instead of globally!!

It was on that day, i found out, everything changed

[onyx sage]

the future is now, old man

[gentle lichen]

Aight

[rich lotus]

What on earth

[flint wave]

[gentle lichen]

Also why is there a big comment cloud on top of the picture

[blissful rampart]

omg... my eyes!

[flint wave]

speech bubble

[gentle lichen]

So that's what it's called. Noted

[hazy steeple]

Sorry, but you have to leave the server now.

[gentle lichen]

A mod doesn't say. A mod DOES

[onyx sage]

oh no

[blissful rampart]

eh.. still a better build then anything with Focus 😉

[onyx sage]

sir

[rich lotus]

Is that officially the worst ever? I'm proud of you, I knew you could do it

[hazy steeple]

It's too much paperwork if I just do.

[flint wave]

Good thing I'm not the one that made the build

[shy willow]

But my strikers focus😨

[hazy steeple]

I know it's not fair, but I do still sort of think of Focus-main's as the kind that have xXsnipergunkillXx as their username.

[onyx sage]

i do play with a speedrunner whose name is xx_nemesis_xx

[blissful rampart]

you need to focus on farming a better chest talent 🤣

[rich lotus]

It's Xbox in 2023, you need half a dozen numbers after that now 😦

[hazy steeple]

Shout-out to those old xbox 360 players who had the name when it was still uncool but they were in denial about it.

[shy willow]

But legendary 😭

[flint wave]

St elmos engine better

[blissful rampart]

dont need focus for legendary 😛

[onyx sage]

he's right

[blissful rampart]

always am 😛

[hazy steeple]

viva 😉

[rich lotus]

Everyone: "focus doesn't matter and it sucks"
Me with ADHD: I've found my people

[onyx sage]

except when i spy me some errors on the sheets

i scream to azur immediately

[west kiln]

i've also found an error i think, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1574559653&range=C37

firestarter is a sawed off, not a full double barrel

[blissful rampart]

those arent errors, those are happy little accidents 😛

[onyx sage]

I'm just happy i'm a contributor at all to it 😉

[hazy steeple]

It's like that one talent that says + one one stat and not + on the other.
All part of Azur's master plan.

[rich lotus]

+dmg when scoped in for four business days
BUT
+chance of abuse on discord

[onyx sage]

a small price to pay

[rich lotus]

This is neat, I can see everyone else killing everything up close!

[onyx sage]

#td2-build-advice message

[rich lotus]

Similar reasons to why you won't catch me in Sawyers anytime soon

[blissful rampart]

hmm i checked... its listed under sawed off though... (hides my scraps from the copy paste correction)

[rich lotus]

The reactions 🤣

[onyx sage]

that's the golden part of it haha

[west kiln]

i saw it being moved live HAHAHAH

[blissful rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/mole-hole-digging-penguin-you-didnt-see-anything-gif-16749598

[hazy steeple]

I think this is what they meant

[flint wave]

Quickest spreadsheet edit in the west

[west kiln]

LMAOOO

[vestal ibex]

ooof redundancy got dat boi.

[blissful rampart]

son of a #%#%!

[bronze hound]

I mean it technically is two barrels

[west kiln]

I mean technically the scorpio is a SIX12SD

[hazy steeple]

I mean technically 🤓

[west kiln]

(i'm a lesion cosplayer let me hold my gun 😭)

[blissful rampart]

in my defense... those error above were made by @onyx sage

[hazy steeple]

Yeah let's not go down that path.

[flint wave]

blame game smh

[rich lotus]

How ironic, having an issue with focus

[slate wedge]

urus burus

[onyx sage]

brug

[tawdry flare]

Cause you threw his binoculars in 🗑️

[cyan drift]

It feels good actually getting what you want right off the bat

HSD and CHC chill out masks, only need 3 more variants now 👀

[flint wave]

if only it had 2nd attribute

[cyan drift]

can stack triple of the same attribute though

[patent fossil]

Mega skill haste

[cyan drift]

I got screwed super hard last year by only getting skill haste and weapon handling as the only non-blues (out of 25)

however, a triple skill haste chill out mask looks sexy as helllllll

[flint wave]

80 pfe tank with Sawyers looks like the only thing I'll use chill out for

[cyan drift]

I mean, that's just hot

actually wait I need all three yellow lines

there we go

the funniest thing is moving a mod from the chill out to the same chill out, and being warned that it's on the same item I'm moving it to

[tawdry flare]

A hana u pcs is better you get -2% skill haste but an attribute slot

I don't get chill out the only way to make it good is to have 2 regular slots + 2 mod slots

[cyan drift]

why not both

only missing two haste rolls (one on hermano and one on deathgrips, which I shouldn't even reeeeallly be running anyway)

it's also skill damage on both so, I won't complain

[tawdry flare]

Cause 🤮 even a 5.11 pcs will be better

[vestal ibex]

I can't even.

[magic pilot]

Nasty

[cyan drift]

I put deathgrips on it just cause you get shot so much firing stickybombs off at people 🤣

[tawdry flare]

What can't you

[vestal ibex]

Even. Says right there.

[cyan drift]

can he odd 🤔

[tawdry flare]

Can I except a 5:11 incursion run From you ?

[vestal ibex]

I don't know how to say I'm never going to farm 5.11 gear nor put time or effort toward something like that.

[calm prairie]

Not sure how much you need that talent on the backpack but with Ninja one you would pull out way more skill haste and dmg .

[tawdry flare]

I meant 5minutes 11s

[cyan drift]

would use a force multiplier at that point

[vestal ibex]

That build doesn't need advice, it's needs a redo if anything.

[tawdry flare]

Ninja is totally not worth It memento is better than ninja in almost all scenarios

[cyan drift]

doesn't need a redo either

it's perfectly fine as-is, it vomits out a stickybomb every 5 seconds 🤣

[tawdry flare]

What is your progress with Firing the campus vendor ?

[cyan drift]

when overcharged it's every 2 seconds

[vestal ibex]

Ah it's a meme build, see no need for advice.

[cyan drift]

it's not a meme build, it's a good bui;ld

and honestly I don't entirely see how it can be improved besides using something like a force multiplier and some other thing

[flint wave]

3pc empress

[cyan drift]

potentially, I'm not sure what the difference would be in some ways

skill efficiency is wonderful, obviously, but I'd lose a core somewhere

[astral kraken]

5 seconds is a long time

[cyan drift]

no...?

[tawdry flare]

Skill efficiency is very busted for skill builds

-- fi and eclipse

[astral kraken]

how much does your sticky bomb hit for

[cyan drift]

1.5 and then burns for whatever

[flint wave]

1.5 damage

[astral kraken]

so every 5 seconds you shoot something that does the same damage as 1 striker build bullet

[cyan drift]

all hail the meta

beep boop, all hail the meta

[astral kraken]

5 seconds is a long time

[cyan drift]

for a stickybomb cooldown, no it's not

and if the reason is "strikers is better" then I think this conversation is over cause striker beats basically everything in terms of damage

[astral kraken]

not by that much lol

[vestal ibex]

I don't get how this isn't a meme build.

[cyan drift]

how would it be a meme build

besides it being me who is making it

[vestal ibex]

The meme is quick fire sticky bombs.

How much do they even hit for?

[flint wave]

what kind of striker bullet does 1.5m on non cd

[cyan drift]

1.5m + burn, activates tag team twice per guy

on overcharge you can fire one off every two seconds

[vestal ibex]

Sticky bomb=/=Fire sticky fyi.

[cyan drift]

yeah that's a fire sticky

the cooldown is so much lower on a fire sticky, hence

[vestal ibex]

Well there is a difference, but regardless this probably doens't perform very well in anything above solo heroic right?

[cyan drift]

it performs amazing in anything heroic

[astral kraken]

Ok let me rephrase. Every 5 seconds you do the same damage as three bullets in an entry level DPS build.

[cyan drift]

ok, and

that devalues every single build ever

[calm prairie]

I see how this could be fun. When Legendary missions came out lots of people were laughing when i was going in with a skill build until they saw how it was working.

[astral kraken]

Damage amount over time matters lol

[cyan drift]

I mean, yeah, depends on what you think I use this for

do people just not make situational builds anymore, is this something only I do

[calm prairie]

well, they just don't like to be kicked out from the team

[cyan drift]

I have yet to be kicked from a single party in anything

[vestal ibex]

Most of us don't kick, we go in expecting to carry.

[calm prairie]

I came back to the game like 3 weeks ago and seen a lot of players kicked out of countdown matchmaking teams.

[cyan drift]

I don't matchmake legendary almost ever, and I'm a healer when I do

it's just not that fun, honestly

[vestal ibex]

I guess I'd have to define amazing ya know. That's like saying I can chain snipe with grey gear, a chainkiller, and a WD. It's "doable" but it's pretty meh.

[cyan drift]

I beat the entire game with grey gear, you'd need at least three red cores to make that work

I know it's just an example but still

[tawdry flare]

You used skills not guns

[cyan drift]

no I used guns, guns were the only upgrade

[calm prairie]

ok guys, enough chit chat for me... going to play something

[cyan drift]

here's the thing with me

I won't keep a build unless it works at something

this one is amazing for stunlocking bosses with stickybombs, and killing adds with sniper turret

it is fantastic for open world stuff like control points, which is where I use it

I don't use it in legendary, and I don't use it in countdown, nor is there any reason to

[vestal ibex]

So CP4 in 3 minutes with this or? I get that you enjoy the build but how effective it actually is is more important and how most view the game.

[tawdry flare]

If it is pita than no thanks

[cyan drift]

I wouldn't say most, anything built for maximum efficiency probably is very boring to use

[tawdry flare]

Do I need to say anything

[cyan drift]

no but you do anyway

regardless, any time I post anything, it's met with "oh but this can do this better"

ok, use that then

[onyx sage]

it's just that this isn't the channel for that

there's community if you want to post pics tbh. most people expect to come and take advice here

i see the fun in your build so i have no comment myself

[vestal ibex]

I feel like sending someone down a build path that's going to cost them time and effort isn't the goal in this channel.

[cyan drift]

I'm willing to take advice, but the only advice I've been given for that build is-

1. Try 3x empress (and I might)
2. Use something else, which isn't even really advice

[tawdry flare]

I as a 5.11 advocate say that just have fun but if you are going to post in this channel you you are going to get advice

[cyan drift]

so far I haven't really gotten advice, I'm gonna be honest...

typically I post a build and then someone vomits, which I'm used to

[vestal ibex]

You never come here for advice. You post builds cause you find them fun and want people to share in said fun. I just think you should lead with that. Calling them amazing and fantastic is misleading.

[cyan drift]

it's not that misleading if it's true, and for what I said I use it for, it does work amazing

[magic pilot]

Focus

[tawdry flare]

Same can be said about 5.11 build

[vestal ibex]

Define amazing in quantitate terms.

[tawdry flare]

Striker with chest

[cyan drift]

it shoots a stickybomb every 5 seconds, which are hitscan at render distance, plus fire, which activates tag team

and then the sniper turret is just active 24/7 cause it has 6 minute duration and 10 second cooldown, for some reason

[vestal ibex]

None of that screams amazing tho.

[astral kraken]

so the job of the build is to kill stuff?

[cyan drift]

just like every other build

[tawdry flare]

[astral kraken]

cc build doesnt kill stuff

healer doesnt kill stuff

[tawdry flare]

It does?

[vestal ibex]

I guess we are just playing two different games.

[cyan drift]

I'm fine with that

[astral kraken]

the fire doesnt even spread

[vestal ibex]

I waited long enough to say this... Any version of EP would be better.

[astral kraken]

doesnt artillery turret do about the same dmg

more AOE and you dont have to wait 5 seconds

[vestal ibex]

Not to mention so much easier to farm.

[tawdry flare]

It does bonker damage

Has aoe

Deal direct health DMG bypassing armour plating for dogs

[urban latch]

The mortar build is probably the most underrated build in the game imo

[cyan drift]

I remember when everyone was using it for a while

[astral kraken]

its still really common on legendary

[tawdry flare]

Mortar cluster is quite good

[tawdry flare]

I rarely see it get used tbh except for me when I am bored I farm open world with oxis

[cyan drift]

oh also I've made like 3-4 exclipes builds in the past, enjoyed them all as well, and I don't entirely disagree with this

the only one I've never been able to make work is red eclipse, maybe iron lung might work for it, idk

[urban latch]

Red eclipse is for people who don't understand status effects

[tawdry flare]

Red eclipse is totally dependent on the status amp

No status = No good but when it's up it's nice

The only good weapon for red eclipse is Scorpio

[astral kraken]

when i said 5 seconds is a long time... i meant that with a good build you can do a lot in 5 seconds while you're waiting for your sticky to come back. arty turret can do something like 50 million damage in that 5 seconds. dps... well that's obvious. fire eclipse i can't even quantify but it'll also spread which really helps teammates.

[cyan drift]

I assume the mortar turret has glass cannon and force multiplier on it

and the enemy isn't a block away

[astral kraken]

it can hit pretty far but yea it'll take a while for the round to travel. engaging at a block away is weird even if you're sniping.

[tawdry flare]

Glass Cannon and shock and awe

[cyan drift]

shock and awe only works with that because it's on a china light piece tbf

[astral kraken]

and 2x yellow grupo yea

[tawdry flare]

I Honestly use shock and awe with mop less DMG more utility

[cyan drift]

you'll either love or hate how this looks then 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Ah another build that is posed for memage eh?

[tawdry flare]

Is that oxis

[cyan drift]

yes and no, cause it's actually really good in close range missions like FEB and air and space

so it's good, but it's the collector chestpiece so... yeahhhh...

there's really no other reason to use collector other than for shiggles so

[astral kraken]

it was helpful with summit challenges

[cyan drift]

yeah for global event stuff it's gonna be a life saver

[astral kraken]

i think there was another one i liked more but i forgot what it's called

where you get the grenade back or something

[tawdry flare]

Acostas

Is pretty niche but pretty good

[cyan drift]

no acostas just gives you more, mad bomber's the one that gives stuff back

[flint wave]

Nope

[cyan drift]

truth be told, the collector is what mad bomber should be

[flint wave]

that's like 1.2 mil at most

[tawdry flare]

Acosta give 1 free grenade/minute

[tawdry flare]

Yes roll headshot dmg @cyan drift

[cyan drift]

acosta gives you overcharge once per minute

[flint wave]

I don't remember seeing bs numbers like that except in CD

[tawdry flare]

Free grenade too

[cyan drift]

nope

[tawdry flare]

Just read the description

[cyan drift]

I am

[tawdry flare]

1 free grenade every 1 minute

[flint wave]

Throwing a grenade refunds it on a 60s cooldown gg

[cyan drift]

that was super OP before sniper turret got nerfed, honestly

three DPS guys running sniper turrets, medic uses BTSU charge, now you have three overcharge sniper turrets until they break, being ran by three DPS guys

even when the charge ran out, it existed when you threw it, so it was still overcharged

[flint wave]

Does it not stay overcharged now?

[cyan drift]

nope 😢

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[flint wave]

overcharge ammo stays?

[cyan drift]

it gets overcharge when you get overcharge and loses it when you lose it

[tawdry flare]

Not a single skill is snapshotted except for maybe hive charges

[cyan drift]

I'm not sure how the ammo works. It either subtracts what you shot when you overcharged, or uses the overcharge supply, then goes back to what you had before

either way, overcharged sniper turret is genuinely scary

that's 1.5 seconds per shot of 2mil damage, and you can aim headshots with it

[urban latch]

That's not that much though on a base red build with no skill damage...

[flint wave]

meanwhile mortar doing 6 mil without oc👴

[cyan drift]

mortar taking 7 seconds to land

[flint wave]

Lead your shots

[cyan drift]

I mean, yeah, but still

shoot that one shot off and then just

[urban latch]

More like 9m...

And the whole idea is to know where spawns are coming up and target them

[cyan drift]

don't get me wrong, I love the mortar turret, I just like the sniper turret slightly more

[flint wave]

hardwire seeker mines disappointed me

so back to mortar turret

[vestal ibex]

Same. I guess focusing on the cycle helps you forget the lower damage.

[cyan drift]

I'd use the normal seeker mine if it didn't make sure to social distance before blowing up

[flint wave]

I just wanted a jammer pulse build tbh

but hardwire got no dmg

[cyan drift]

I remember this one being controversial

[flint wave]

for good reason probably

where's the bonus armor coming from

[vestal ibex]

Why vanguard almost no armor to people is why lol

[cyan drift]

I've not updated that build in years

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I can't see why one would keep that build.

[cyan drift]

yeah it's been two years since I made it

I think I have it around just for the inevitable Rogue Striker Drone detected summit floors

[flint wave]

I hate it when I play tank in CD and a build like that is running vanguafd

[vestal ibex]

Tardi, another useful skill and skill duration for mask would make it much better but still...

[flint wave]

doesn't let me deploy vanguard bonus armor until it's bonus armor is gone

[cyan drift]

a lot of the builds on my main guy are years old

likely because I just want to keep them around, because I remember the fun I had with them when I first made them

[urban latch]

Unironically a good wony leveling build

[flint wave]

surprised u didn't use all 16 loadout slots by now then

[cyan drift]

why do you think I have a second character just for making new builds 😏

[flint wave]

That sounds inconvenient

[cyan drift]

oh yeah, it is killer on story/normal/hard

you just run in and give them wi-fi disease

[flint wave]

eclipse jammer

[cyan drift]

the only thing *inconvenient about having a main guy, and then a build testing guy, is that I inevitably want the build on one of them that the other has (usually FI healer)

[urban latch]

Just combine it with HH and regulus instead

To take out the targets that aren't made of paper. Don't need vanguard for story mode

[cyan drift]

this actually wouldn't reeeallly work for wony levelling

[flint wave]

damn

[cyan drift]

not a lot of stuff in eclipse range won't get hit by the jammer, is what I mean

did your phone autocorrect "damn" to "oldman" or something 🤣

[urban latch]

All the damage is coming from emp, so you don't need more ape to spread it, spamming it is more important

[flint wave]

it's part of my default responses

just like

[cyan drift]

the funniest thing is that a really crappy eclipse build would be better at wony levelling than a good one

cause a good one just instakills a red and ruins the chem shot

[flint wave]

all it takes is taking off the chem tbh

Fire sticky still gud

[cyan drift]

I have a suicide build

this one legitimately is just run in the middle of 6 guys, get knocked, but still can control the turret while bleeding out

the thing that never gets old with this build is throwing the turret down, then have your game get a massive lag spike because it blew up all the barrels n stuff in a 25m radius

it lands, you hear a click, and then the game freezes 🤣

[urban latch]

That's any build if you play like an idiot. You can just... Throw the turret.... You don't need to run in the middle of everything and die over and over

[cyan drift]

Yeah but throwing the flame turret is so annoying

Your A and D keys get priority set to turning the fire turret, even though it spins in a full circle

[urban latch]

So is picking up teammates who keep going down

[cyan drift]

A lot of the time it happens, it clears the entire room and I get picked up by the mission anyways.

Also yes, I do not intentionally run in and suicide turret on a regular basis

[vestal ibex]

Wai you no yellow sacrifice?

[astral kraken]

Ideas for getting through disorient outcasts quickly? This is what I'm running right now and it seems to be working fine. Curious if anyone has found a faster method. I tried HF and it was a bit too slow.

With this one I go to Roosevelt Island, throw a nade, hit em with overcharged banshee, and still have a couple banshees to use per stage since TTK is so high.

[onyx sage]

HHF

[flint wave]

scorpio

[onyx sage]

if HF too slow, and an extra H

problem solved

[astral kraken]

haha

that relies on mobs being close together which has been my issue

[blissful rampart]

run HF backpack and on say challenging to speed through the challenge.

[onyx sage]

yep

run HF bp and dodge

[vestal ibex]

Yeah when I do this everyone just goes boom more than disorients.

Could run determined D50 tho.

[flint wave]

yes

also means we can tell this guy not to use a regulus

[vestal ibex]

lol that guy put up a D50 lego clip yesterday tho.

[flint wave]

probably died to a chunga 5 seconds later

[woven pewter]

Take the d50 from boo vendor. It has dtooc.

Easy way to make det hh build.

[vestal ibex]

Naw he cleared the first area in DUA. Used a WD for chung helm tho.

[vestal ibex]

lol I need to delete D50s from my stash. I keep saving them thinking I'll do some runs for liberty exo comps but I never do.

[cyan drift]

🤷‍♂️ just don't have one

[west kiln]

its so pain to find...

[vestal ibex]

It's not too bad. That and yellow foxes and contractors are a must for anyone getting into odd skill builds imo. The only thing that eludes me still is habs HSD/WH vigi bag.

[onyx sage]

habs hsd/wh bag AND chest for me

[dreamy valve]

Did you guys recalibrate all your exotics to dtooc when possible?

[gentle lichen]

Only exotics that released after sacrum have their third attribute changeable

[gentle lichen]

Including sacrum but nobody uses that POS

[vestal ibex]

Reconfigure* Not to be confused with recalibration. I've done it to the relevent things, elmo and ouro, I guess iron lung isn't so bad I just haven't felt the need to use it.

[dreamy valve]

I guess 99% of exotics don’t need it anyways

[vestal ibex]

Oh man we'd all love if we could do the same to all exotic weapons.

[dreamy valve]

Having mod options?

[vestal ibex]

Reconfiguring the third attribute. I wish we could customize more things with exotics on top of them having special parts that give small buffs too. Would make them work better in more builds.

[urban latch]

It's only possible with the handful of recent ones anyways

[dreamy valve]

Exuro turret could have been its own mod slot for the regular flamer turret instead of an entire gear set

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but then no one would use that gear set. I would 1000% put that spinny flame boi on EP tho.

[dreamy valve]

I don’t think most players would mind that change

Just delete it for a better set

[vestal ibex]

I haven't used the flame turret and I might never because it does a worse job on a huge cooldown.

[gentle lichen]

I miss my div 1 flame turret

[dreamy valve]

I still use it on one of my builds

[merry drift]

is this good exotic?

[gentle lichen]

It'll kill you

Jokes aside. It isn't a really good exotic since it bleeds you and slowly eats away at your armor only getting faster eating through armor the more you shoot. And the chd gained takes so long to see actual results. And the 10 second duration isn't enough to sustain it

[vestal ibex]

I do love seeing newer players asking why they are bleeding to death all the time.

[gentle lichen]

Exotic Name kinda suggests it. It's natural selection if you wanna use it after that fact

[hazy steeple]

Hey if our Agent's are too stupid to take the barb-wire off the handle before we use the gun, that's on us.

[merry drift]

did i say that

:weird:

[hazy steeple]

They're talking in general, but tl;dr yes it's a good Exotic, but you need a specific build around it, and that build comes at a cost.

[urban latch]

It's not though.

[gentle lichen]

Booster hive and timing it can be handy but that's too much work

[hexed steppe]

Just add scorpio and itll be finished in no time. Also use a fire sticky or stinger hive with gunner pulse to speed the death spread 😎

[hazy steeple]

Having practically full HazPro is an underrated benefit of a proper setup with the Backfire, but it's not going to outdamage the meta setups.

[astral kraken]

Finished it. Took me 2 hrs with breaks

[hexed steppe]

Oh nice

[gentle lichen]

And you need 200 stacks before you reach the desired damage

[hexed steppe]

I dont think I'm gonna bother with more than the missions this time around

[gentle lichen]

And it all can go away if ads take more than 10 seconds to arrive

[urban latch]

Even once you reach 200 stacks on a haz pro backfire build, it'll still be beaten by a MPX on a typical hunters fury build

[hazy steeple]

The backfire hate train arrived a little earlier than expected today, did you make all your stops along the way?

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[gentle lichen]

That's not counting ouro lol

[urban latch]

This is the build advice, where everyone else is just giving basic build advice to someone who asked a question

[hazy steeple]

I said it's not meta, that the build comes at a cost, that it requires a specific build.
As much as you complain at me about it, I'm never going to say it's worthless. Other people are allowed to like things you dislike.

[urban latch]

It's not worthless, exotic components are great to have

[gentle lichen]

Also a hazpro build doesn't really have anything going for it except hazpro right? No like sustain with HF or aok in general

Unless you're doing a hybrid of ninjabike 3 hf 1 cav which i hope not

[hazy steeple]

It's uncanny.

[rich lotus]

Nice

I love the idea of it, but I don't love it 😦

[merry drift]

already completed this build

any build maybe better to make the game more funny?

[flint wave]

just use a ceska piece instead of contractors

[vestal ibex]

I think this is for incursion.

[flint wave]

why does that matter

[vestal ibex]

Because incursion chungas are funky and not like normal so armor damage works on them.

[flint wave]

well good build anyways

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'd just have an obliterate chest ready for easier content, maybe an ACS for stacks if needed.

[vestal ibex]

Fire Ep build is 100% a good/funny/sadistic build. People just screaming till ded.

[merry drift]

can u send build image and sfuff names if u dont mind

😅

[flint wave]

worst case scenario it's in the pinned spreadsheet

[vestal ibex]

It is pinned in the spread sheet.

Pretty much this but golan can now be electrique.

Or however you spell that brandset. It's all status effect and there are some ways to use the skills that you might not know about. Lighting the fire chems with a double tap and instant use on the fire sticky.

[merry drift]

ty will see about it

[gentle lichen]

Electrique as substitute for golan if you're not into looking for unicorns

[vestal ibex]

It's good for really fast solo heroic and it's a huge contributor in 4 man heroic(probably top damage every time). You can also use it to do league speeds crazy fast.

[vestal ibex]

Brah why you no read line right after image?

[gentle lichen]

This new app update made the backgroud much darker

[flint wave]

how does fire eclipse get top dmg

[gentle lichen]

I might need to increase font size actually

[flint wave]

matchmaking is not getting it done

[vestal ibex]

You are burning everyone and people who kill those people just propagate your flames.

[gentle lichen]

In group i'd prefer survivalist actually over firewall

[vestal ibex]

I'm too lazy to worry about a spec change for group play that'll be easy regardless.

[flint wave]

I'm still sketch of fire eclipse outside of leagues

never really did me good

[hexed steppe]

I was messing around with an old nonstandard eclipse earlier while matching into league stuff.
Memento eclipse with fire sticky/stinger hive/cap still a lot of fun

That's all I used to use in heroic for a quite while

[gentle lichen]

One of my first farming builds what an eclipse

Explains why 40% of my hours were pre 1k shd

Status isn't my thing at all

But in group play and cc i can clearly see the effectiveness

[vestal ibex]

I find it to be a refreshing change. The instant use sticky and having a dot on the middle of your screen and boom you now just shoot it at people while on the run.

[gentle lichen]

Pc pros ig. There are programs to just put a dot or a custom crosshair on the middle of screen right?

[hexed steppe]

Programs? Sharpie 🤣

[vestal ibex]

I use my monitors thingy for it. No programs needed.

[gentle lichen]

I like my screen clean thank you very much

[gentle lichen]

That's neat. Monitors do that by itself

[hexed steppe]

It's not needed anyways. Crosshair changes color when itll be an instant hit

[gentle lichen]

That's when aiming tho

[vestal ibex]

If you aren't aiming no crosshair.

[gentle lichen]

Free aiming stickies is so satisfying

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, I aim my shit 😅

[vestal ibex]

Also it just helps with everything I've been finding out.

Pre lining up shots and everything.

[gentle lichen]

All i know about free aiming a sticky is that you need to stay on target for at least a second

Sticky acts weird when free aiming

[vestal ibex]

Only when you hit your instant use key.

[gentle lichen]

Kind of shoots where your crosshair was about a sec ago

[hexed steppe]

I'm kinda rusty with non cc eclipse. I'm kinda terrible with firestarter chem lately

[gentle lichen]

I know players that still shoot it to ignite it

[vestal ibex]

yikes

[merry drift]

1 question pls, after i change 1 state why i cant again?

[urban latch]

That's how you get 81% accuracy

[hexed steppe]

Alot dont know. I mention it often and usually its mind blowing

[flint wave]

even hunters shoot their fire chems sometimes

Npcs don't know anything

[vestal ibex]

I mean in the incursion it's different. I almost always have at least 72% in there tho. In most missions I'd say 65% or higher.

[patent fossil]

once you change a stat once you can only change that same stat again, not any of the other stats on the same item

[hexed steppe]

The stat you recalibrated isnt the one you have highlighted

[vestal ibex]

Only allowed to recal 1 line item.

[merry drift]

real

[flint wave]

unfortunately the farming scene would be too easy if we could recalibrate the entire item

[merry drift]

then how u can max them all

[flint wave]

no need for max here

[hexed steppe]

Also dont ever optimize a recalibrated line, totally locks the item in

[merry drift]

wym

[flint wave]

can't recalibrate that item again

[hexed steppe]

Optimizing locks the line

[cyan drift]

I got two yellow foxes so far, so I'm alright on that front

[glad heart]

TBH, that should not matter, if you recalibrate an item with a max rolled attribute, and

TBH, should not use a recalibration attribute unless it is a max roll anyway... library should be filled with max rolls in most circumstances

[hexed steppe]

Agreed, but its an early library mistake when the rolls may not be maxed but they need to squeeze that extra chc or hsd into the build

[glossy scarab]

loot goblin is dropping max rolls like crazy today

[west kiln]

still in the same place?

[glossy scarab]

yup he has only not shown up once out of over 20 times

[glossy scarab]

i feel like this piece has a use for something. some sort of headshot status build. i could roll a red core on it maybe

[bronze hound]

Swap the armour for skill tier and you could use it on some weird hybrid sniper turret maybe

Or the hsd for haste

[glass epoch]

Tank status affect build lol

[glossy scarab]

heres one thing i was able to do with it. spread a bleed around to slow down a group while i bust heads

[flint wave]

regulus from wish

[sullen sun]

2 pc sokolov for Oreo build or Contractors?

[tawdry flare]

Contractors

[glossy scarab]

you can have both

[sullen sun]

@glossy scarab

[glossy scarab]

oh i see. i would be using a sokolov viglance backpack

but its the same thing

15% chd

[sullen sun]

Optimist?

[cyan drift]

uhhhhhh alright? 🤣

[hazy steeple]

How on earth did you manage to get a max purple mod at Lvl 40?

[cyan drift]

not a clue, but it's not what I'm farming for, so naturally...

I've gone up an entire level today just killing loot goblins on normal difficulty for chill out masks, I got 2/4 I was missing right off the bat, and then nothing since

and then a max rolled purple mod out of nowhere

[hazy steeple]

Wait, why normal difficulty?

[cyan drift]

all I care is the secondary attribute

so I'm basically killing one, logging out and back in, run up, one-shot the next guy, etc etc

I should do it on heroic though, just because

[flint wave]

the real unicorn

[hazy steeple]

Well, Challenging or above removes purples from your loot table.
Unless for some reason the Goblins have the LZ problem of spawning any tier.

[cyan drift]

so, task failed successfully, I guess?

I got a couple purple prophets and oh carols last year

[flint wave]

wait till gear targeted loot in goblin zone and get a purple 13 pfe

[cyan drift]

that's a holy grail for sure

I wonder if the loot guy spawns in for level 2 people or something

so I get a grey oh carol

[cyan drift]

myth busted

[flint wave]

[shy willow]

I cherish my purple prophet

[cyan drift]

still missing CHD and skill damage

[glossy scarab]

im trying (with very limited access to armor core gear pieces) to make a dz build that i could survive getting jumped at extraction and take down some griefers

[flint wave]

try memento if the goal is landmark farm

you will have full buff within 2 landmarks

60% bonus armor trophies will give you an edge aswell

[glossy scarab]

ok i have a memento version too

[stiff jasper]

I won't recommend memento if you use it with wrong way
Always build for pvp, not because you find people to kill, but always make sure you can kill those people who looking for you

[stiff jasper]

Madator
Named holster or catharsis

[flint wave]

your build for pvp with that permanent buff and free cores

2 free red cores from the buff basically and 3% armor regen

[stiff jasper]

That is the reason why you shouldn't use memento

[flint wave]

it's landmark farming. The buff is light work

it's a defensive landmark farming extraction option

[stiff jasper]

Nope you wrong

[flint wave]

lol

It's given me a positive win rate on other players so far

[stiff jasper]

You are in dz and you always need to prepare for fighting with player, then, what is the biggest benefit of memento?
Not the stack of weapons damage and armor regen

The bonus armor are the really things that help you to against player

[flint wave]

do you even play dz for the pve part?

do you do more then run into the same dz caches?

I know there's some kind of spawn point pattern with those

[tame flax]

armor regen wont work in dz to anticipate potential pvp

[stiff jasper]

So if you actually use memento, you need to save those buff, but not pick it

If you don't understand then you should always don't use memento in dz

[flint wave]

only reason people don't use memento is the time it takes to get it fully charged. Which is obsolete when you are killing tons of pve enemies anyway from landmarks

and that having that 60% bonus armor pickup isn't reliable when you are going on a manhunt

But you will be surrounded by trophies

[tame flax]

if combat pvp took place at the landmarks while you got so many trophies already drops, yeah it's good

[flint wave]

Im only doing landmarks and extraction with the bag

[tame flax]

extraction i can wait, memento build would still lose during extraction

[flint wave]

I'm not trying to find other players

Its a defensive build

[flint wave]

that's assuming there isn't trophies lying around because of the super weak ads that spawn during it

And the perm buff doing nothing apparently

[stiff jasper]

Farm landmark > drop trophy > don't pickup > if people come for you and fight > pickup trophy > huge bonus armor > bonus armor almost gone > pickup another trophy > bonus armor again

Do you understand right now?

I feel I am teaching baby right now

[tame flax]

Always insulting other players, thinking you're better than everyone

if you got god personality complex...i leave it at that

[stiff jasper]

I am not better than everyone but I does better than lot of people

[tame flax]

the above statements implied otherwise

[flint wave]

Including playing outside of the spawn point?

it doesn't sound like you know how this memento thing works

[stiff jasper]

🤣🤭

[tame flax]

He already made concession from his earlier statement criticizing memento build

and throw insult at the end

[stiff jasper]

The fact is, you don't know how memento benefit you in pvp

[tame flax]

must be a cultural thing, keep criticizing other

[flint wave]

It's given me a positive win rate so far, must be all bad players

[tame flax]

or nice timing and nice backpack

[flint wave]

nice timing isn't wrong

getting jumped while surrounded by trophies is very convenient

[tame flax]

nice backpack isn't wrong either

[tame flax]

and other keep claiming you don't know how memento backpack work

[stiff jasper]

I think it's not cultural but personality
I speak straightforward doesn't mean you need to speak straightforward
some people ignorance doesn't mean everyone ignorance

[shy willow]

Isn't memento mainly used for long buffs

Or intimidate if you still use that

[hazy steeple]

I can't believe I have to say this, but let's not insult other's culture over difference of opinion about a video game backpack.

[flint wave]

the topic was memento in pvp

[stiff jasper]

If you pvp, mostly for short

[shy willow]

Ah

[stiff jasper]

Let's say you are 6 blues, 1 trophy give you 60 % bonus armor to taking incoming damage, but you if pickup every trophy you see, you need 20second to regen 60% armor

[tame flax]

check my prev comment, never insult someone's culture

[stiff jasper]

Obviously every potential pvpers won't give you any rest time to regen

[astral kraken]

i listen to deco

i win fights

[cyan drift]

I love watching my armor bar turn into a bar code

Iirc system corruption with a tardi can hit almost 10 million armor on its own

[flint wave]

that's alot of blue bars

[cyan drift]

For all of 10 seconds you might not get one shotted by a mini tank grenade

So pop tardi, heal back to full while hitting system corruption boost, then pepper shots down range with either dread edict or ravenous (I forget which gives more)

[flint wave]

too bad self vanguard doesn't work outside cd and the raids👴

[gentle lichen]

Just strafe a sys cor user it's literally just 5 seconds

Then they're back to being weak asf

[cyan drift]

Bringing a build that gets 10m armor would just be a pointless flex in PVP though

and then you die

[gentle lichen]

Yeah the strat is to do some landmarks leave trophies lure players then flag up. Pick up trophies whenever necessary

I even preach leaving trophies on the ground even when not max stacks

[flint wave]

immortality for 5-10 seconds so you can fire wall kit

[astral kraken]

if you're playing that kind of game then blb is a lot less work

[cyan drift]

Well with system corruption that doesn't work sadly

[flint wave]

[cyan drift]

I wish the shared medkit thing worked with system corruption

[gentle lichen]

If it only had more than a 2% WD

And it's really for farming purposes. If using memento in dz

Kinda essential just killing ads every now and then in random areas

[astral kraken]

huh?

[flint wave]

it's 20%

[astral kraken]

200%

[gentle lichen]

Lmao it is fucking not

[astral kraken]

you can clear landmark with blb ez

[flint wave]

2000% take it or leave it

[gentle lichen]

That was before nerf

[gentle lichen]

I mean per target

[astral kraken]

breeeeh

[flint wave]

pvp stats?

damn

[astral kraken]

i'm saying you clear a landmark with a blb and leave it charged up

[gentle lichen]

1 stack equal 2% WD

[astral kraken]

and keep clearing with it

if you're ratting in the dz you switch to primary when a threat shows up

[flint wave]

If shit like dch gets turned down to 10% damage bonus from 1000% I bet blb does that too

[gentle lichen]

Yeah so take longer and give more room for players to hunt you down

Also can't use ouro

[flint wave]

20% to .2%

[astral kraken]

situational awareness

[flint wave]

memento is better

[gentle lichen]

I always check nearby. Doesn't help when ads are everywhere and you're being damaged

[flint wave]

I get 30% free weapon damage by existing

[astral kraken]

they're challenging level ads

[gentle lichen]

By working to get it.

[flint wave]

that's why it's a landmark farming build

or item

[gentle lichen]

Call them what you want but 5 elites shooting at the same time does damage

[flint wave]

nobody trying to use memento walking outside of no mans land checkpoint

[astral kraken]

how are you positioning that 5 elites are shooting you at the same time 🤔

[flint wave]

outcast ads are annoying tho

[gentle lichen]

Do you utilise cover when doing a landmark?

[flint wave]

they light ur ass up

[astral kraken]

sort of? i never go into cover, ever

barely ever do it in pve

[gentle lichen]

I use a shotgun as secondary to make easy work of ads. Doing it with a pistol is just asking for your unbreakable to proc

[astral kraken]

🤷‍♂️

[flint wave]

Not me

[gentle lichen]

Does it do enough damage to at least stagger ads so they don't permanently shoot you until they die?

Pre nerf the use of blb was basically tag not kill

[stiff jasper]

If I am devs, I won't nerf damage buff of busy bee in pvp, just nerf it's maximum stack you having and buff duration time

[flint wave]

either way it's buff would be bad

[gentle lichen]

2 10% WD stacks for 5 seconds?

That still would make it return to being used on every meta setup

At least it's contending with elmo/ouro

[flint wave]

if it's actually wd I don't see it going anywhere

[gentle lichen]

20% I believe total

Might have to read talent again

So it's like mini vigi

[flint wave]

except vigi is twd

it's like microscopic vigi

[stiff jasper]

People are too focus on"200% damage", but it need 10 target to stack and only last for 10second, meanwhile people are completely don't realize bee before nerf is equal " high end weapon with 1 talent and with always 20% damage"

That's why bee can compete with other exotic like eb

[astral kraken]

blb has only one purpose for me: guaranteed kill to complete dz weekly project

its not good for sustained fights

stack up bee, find player, get kill, repeat till project done

[flint wave]

nowadays we have shock ammo

find a dude not running shocker punch

[astral kraken]

just try it. ttk is 1 sec, 2 sec max

[flint wave]

[astral kraken]

haha

its bad for sustained fights b/c it's annoying to use for so long

and will only work for a short time

[stiff jasper]

Wrong

[astral kraken]

im just saying if your play is to rat with memento then you might as well rat with blb lol

[flint wave]

if I was going on a manhunt for one dude in particular I wouldn't use memento

[astral kraken]

touché

[stiff jasper]

The damage increase of bee, is amplifier damage

[tawdry flare]

You would use 5.11

[flint wave]

u right

that 60% incoming repairs catharsis cloud is clutch

[flint wave]

how come it doesn't say it 👀

[tawdry flare]

Plus the extra health you get feels like a tank build

[stiff jasper]

Income repair doesn't affect catharsis

[flint wave]

ik

but in the presence of 5.11 ur wrong

[tawdry flare]

Memeing about 5.11

[stiff jasper]

The coding are not match with text, not just bee, a lot of talent and gear doesn't match also

[flint wave]

only other one I can think of is striker

[tawdry flare]

It must be twd not a separate multiplier ?

[flint wave]

if the blb thing is true

[stiff jasper]

It is amp

[gentle lichen]

So it's mini gc lol

[flint wave]

amp disguised as "weapon damage" seems crazy af

[gentle lichen]

Or perfect spotter

[flint wave]

believing this is hard

[tawdry flare]

Basically strikers 4pcs + chest and bag worth of DMG

In a pistol mini striker

I want blb in descent

[stiff jasper]

Let's me explain one more, cavalier
Devs fix it already but completely not write on patch note
After fix cavalier does reduce damage from skill
But before fix, cavalier are reduce every damage except gun direct hit, means your grenade, melee, pesti, nego etc., everything damage are reduce

Are bee still amp right now, honestly I am not sure, but at least it still amp few week ago

[tawdry flare]

Will take a look with high end build in The range

[stiff jasper]

One of the reason that I don't like devs team is, they change something of fix something sneaky

[tawdry flare]

No one likes stealth Nerf/buff tbh especially when you have planned for it and it won't work

[stiff jasper]

Mini ongoing

[glossy scarab]

thanks i got that stuff. im gona have to try a bunch of different set ups

[slate wedge]

try foxes, contractors, picaros, catharsis, sokolov chest and backpack with unbreakable and adrush

another build you could try is heartbreaker

king of 1v1s

[supple stump]

Hello can you guys suggest me some build for newbie im at 114 shd

[bronze hound]

check the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[supple stump]

its still updated ?

bc im saw 2020 y

[tame flax]

for starting point, it's a good place to check that spreadsheet

[tribal depot]

I stopped playing a while ago. I was running a Vile/Scorpio build. Just wanted to see what's changed about it. I enjoy messing around with it. Thanks all!

[rich lotus]

114 SHD is considered newbie?!

[tame flax]

yes

[hazy steeple]

Well "finished" is Lvl 999, so 114 is fairly low.

[onyx sage]

some things just age that well in this game, this sheet itself gets updated every patch