td2-build-advice

[astral kraken]

Which is problematic because a first timer (or friends doing it together for the first time) won't know what's wrong and what's right.

[molten heron]

Yes i Already have the determined talent on the white death and okay thx !

[rich lotus]

That's on them if they're running it blind, without someone with experience, based off a video. I knew from watching it that some parts didn't make a huge amount of sense, so sought out groups that had already cleared it. That's not the standard thing to do?

[astral kraken]

Not everyone has that luxury. Why link to outdated content when there is up to date content available.

And yes our experiences have been widely different. Of all my runs (90-something clears, all with random teamups) the only time the team has struggled is when the DPS was too low. The goal is usually to make it through the content in a reasonable time, that's it. So if the team wipes due to bad decisions... well that's easily solved by rerunning from the checkpoint and making better decisions.

OTOH if the team has low DPS then no decision making will fix that. It just is.

[rich lotus]

So we're trying to convince the other that our experience is the one that's right. Which is pointless.
So yeah, 70-80% is right. I don't have any investment in GCROCK as a person, couldn't really care less if it's his video I'm supporting (though I do happen to like that he seems significantly less clickbaity than that Kamikaze guy) but I'm saying that video almost got me there (using my brain and my thumbs did the rest) and that's that

[vestal ibex]

I think Raucey needs to give us an Incursion for dumbies vid. Just sayin...

[rich lotus]

Couldn't agree more. Proper explanation about the builds too, and what the variants mean

I didn't bring Knuckles/Lefty with me because it wasn't made clear I needed it. Probably did, in hindsight

[flint wave]

and shouldn't focus purely on the highest level speedrunning scene since matchmaking and average LFG(that hate going for flawless :sadge:) exist too

[vestal ibex]

Not needed at all but it does help.

[rich lotus]

And the possibility that sometimes, you will need to play around below-average teammates. Agreed.
"You'll probably need to kite by accident at some point, so here's the basics about where to stop on the plate"

[vestal ibex]

Just know that about 30% of my total runs have been LFG so around 100 runs or so I'd say. I've done the skill builds incursion, I've done 3 man with no healer for every encounter with randoms too. It really depends on your teams skill/builds.

[flint wave]

I legit ran obliterate strikers on wright because people didn't know when to do water

couldn't maintain 200 stacks at that rate

[rich lotus]

In my mind, Knuckles/Lefty at Incursions is like bringing Coyote anywhere else. See someone already has it, all good. Will swap out, but just be sure anyway. It makes sense
It depends on skill/builds, as well as level of confidence playing together. Bet your ass I'll play conservatively, I don't know this dude and won't play with him again for months

[flint wave]

also ads weren't killed in record time or anything

[rich lotus]

I've been healer the last, maybe... 10 clears. He's gotten smarter, you could just lead him around all day if you wanted to but I've noticed a distinct increase in juking-based shenanigans

[vestal ibex]

The worst is when you get to wright and DPS has already been lacking and you go "who can heal" and it's just crickets. So now I gotta heal and hope people can DPS.

[flint wave]

yeah only so much the setup and future chest can do when it comes to ass players

[vestal ibex]

People still wanna hide in the valve room and kill ads from there. It's WILD.

[urban latch]

being stuck on healer when the team doesnt have proper DPS is the worst

[rich lotus]

Like asking an artist to use crayons, and everyone around you has paintbrushes up their nose

[slate wedge]

thats why i don't heal anymore

[vestal ibex]

I've started just doing DPS on lovebirds if they can't hack it.

[flint wave]

yesterday was the 2nd time I did the face tank lovebird strat

out of like 10 groups

[tawdry flare]

Better than playing with bunch of randos

Without mic

On matchmaking

[tawdry flare]

I will support you with 5.11 healer

[vestal ibex]

I mean I have done this a bunch tho.

Regardless of what people think is the best build you can or should use for the incursion, there is a large skill gap between people and that's the difficulty you typically face.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I agree

@urban latch @vestal ibex @onyx sage what do you think of this

[fallen comet]

needs a godly amount of zoom to even read

[tawdry flare]

So @vestal ibex like the build

[tawdry flare]

I am on mobile 🥲

[fallen comet]

right, no pc

[tawdry flare]

Looks like @onyx sage can't keep up with that zoom

[fallen comet]

oof

[rich lotus]

I'm just jumping on the bandwagon. I see a vomit emoji, I click it

[tawdry flare]

That is a like button

[gentle lichen]

Looks about right

[astral kraken]

In that case I've been saying "you guys are gonna need to heal yourselves"

Stock up on armor kits bois, you'll need em

[hexed steppe]

Just missing imperial dynasty holster + sacrum imperium to unlock godmode

[tawdry flare]

Finally a man of culture

[sullen sun]

Does scanner work with Negotiator?

[flint wave]

Imperium and sacrum aren't good on healer builds

needs repair skills

[tawdry flare]

Scanner?

[sullen sun]

Pulse

[tawdry flare]

It works with every build or are you asking for something specific

[sullen sun]

Does it proc flatline?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[sullen sun]

Or does pulse add dmg?

[hexed steppe]

Oc pulse for damage

[sullen sun]

Oc?

[hexed steppe]

But if using flatline, go technician and linked laser. No skill needed.

Oc= overcharge

[flint wave]

div1 pilled

[sullen sun]

Call me dumb but where is Oc?

[hexed steppe]

Btsu gloves/acosta's go bag/ future perfect talent. If you scroll to the bottom of pulse selection , where it shows the skilltier bonuses , itll list the bonus for overcharge

[sullen sun]

Healer build?

[hexed steppe]

Common on healer

[sullen sun]

Can I use artificer and shield with Negotiator?

[patent fossil]

as long as you have tech spec active, yes

[sullen sun]

Will it really benefit me?

[patent fossil]

depends. It gives your shield an occasional burst heal, how useful that is to you depends on your playstyle

[sullen sun]

I think I’d rather use booster tbh

[hexed steppe]

Nice thing about artificer is its passive and it hits every 10 seconds

It would probably be worth using memento in that type of setup. 2 more skilltiers for the shield and skill efficiency

[vestal ibex]

Run it for a bit and see if it helps. Can always swap back. Just try all the things. Playstyle and how you take advantage of variations of builds is up to you.

[sullen sun]

Is vig really worth using over the nego bag?

[onyx sage]

if you can consistently tag and deal damage to 3 enemies most of the time then yes; otherwise vig is better

[sullen sun]

Nice, ok

[magic pilot]

Vigi is better solo. ND bag for group. More enemy's and higher health means that you switch targets more

[dreamy valve]

Wait how come I don’t get the wrench and screwdriver icon on my backpack too?

[vestal ibex]

It's marked for recalibration.

[dreamy valve]

Oh

[flint wave]

more like marked for easy to find

[sullen sun]

Would you throw strained on a shotty with all red/glass canon sniper build?

I’m running pulse so maybe flatline? This is for DZ

[magic pilot]

No

Optimist, flatline only with laser

[worthy wing]

Best general red build specialisations?

[astral kraken]

@covert meadow like this

[vestal ibex]

Specs all have their own benefits, it's really just preference unless you are on HB or spotter, in that case it's Tech for the laser. Otherwise it's just pick which one is best for your situation or that you like the most.

[flint wave]

gunner

[sullen sun]

So would you use Optimist over strained period?

[round zinc]

Strained is mostly better for crit builds i think

[glad heart]

More specifically more suited to an AR

[onyx sage]

strained also only works when you keep firing within 0.5s (so basically continuously firing), and with a shotty in dz you're definitely not continuously firing

[round zinc]

Ah i thought they were using it on an automatic weapon

[slate wedge]

new pvp build, will change chest talent to unbreakable

[magic pilot]

In pvp yes

[magic pilot]

Get ceska bp

Liberty has terrible chc

[bright raptor]

Does regular Sledgehammer still stack/can be procced simultaneously with Perfect Sledgehammer? Been thinking about trying Bloody Knuckles with Striker for the incursion boss fights

[astral kraken]

iirc that got fixed

but hey you never know maybe it's back and no one noticed haha

altho bloody knuckles runs out fast

i wonder what the opportunity cost is to throwing two nades and losing bloody knuckles buffs in the process. oh and the weapon switch time.

[slate wedge]

trying to do that right now

[slate wedge]

other than that looking good right?

i am at 99.9% pulse res with the mod

[magic pilot]

Yea looks good

Coyotes might be better than fox or contractors but then you have to play mid buff

[sullen sun]

Can you use all three?

[slate wedge]

yeah, thought about it but the pain of getting the right yaagl pieces haha

[magic pilot]

Not worth you lose ceska

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

Anything I can replace?

[forest forum]

Def worth using that 100% pulse res in DZ while looting dz money. The fact they cannot track you makes it difficult for them to find you.

[slate wedge]

isn#t 99.9% better than 100%?

[gentle lichen]

Depends

I think immunity starts at 99.6%

It's just for if you want to know if someone pulsed you or not

[forest forum]

I think it only has to be at least 97 so you should be fine.

[gentle lichen]

Definitely not

[west kiln]

sniper determined headhunter, is this a 4pc hotshot build or other gear sets?

[winged summit]

4 Piece Hotshot is a good build. Chest needs Headhunter or Perfect Headhunter, BP with Vigilance. Walker/Harris Chainkiller chest is easy to get along with Airaldi stuff. Hapsburg is harder to farm.

[onyx sage]

check this guide out, but there are 4p and 3p variants, and the best 3p variant outdamages 4p variants

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/ee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20/JJe3QzOICL7XdNw2fxPKFqwNUk7kAtvzD6bTxW4KEXm52Vcy6gr4-7xMQA

as wade said, the minmaxed 3p variant is hard to farm because it uses 2p habsburg

[winged summit]

I’ve never tried the 3p idea. I will give this a go when we’re EVENTUALLY allowed back on! Thank you for the spread sheet. Very informative!

[tawdry flare]

Also never use determined on your sniper till you have played a bit with your sniper

[onyx sage]

it's made by raucey, one of the most trusted theorycrafters for this game. i also know a tiny little bit but 3p hotshot is used when you don't really need the bonus armor and (lower than the best 3p variants') damage

[tawdry flare]

You can try future perfect optimist ranger

[tawdry flare]

Raucey hasn't made a 5.11 build guide

[gentle lichen]

I personally recommend 4 pc as if you chain headshots you basically have infinite ammo

Perfect for pistolero

[urban latch]

Is this for pvp? At 2 blues ad rush really isn't worth it, arguably unbreakable as well, although there's not much else I'd replace it with. Also the acs is mainly for stacking things like strikers, but isnt a good pvp weapon

[west kiln]

thank y'all 🙏

[gentle lichen]

I notice ceska used as holster which I assume is for acs. So if dropping acs might as well drop ceska for picaro.

[heady ember]

My fav one shot activites farm build.1886 kills it all,if not,regulus with clear it.

[tawdry flare]

That's a classic high end regulus build

[fallen comet]

So many exclamation marks

[gentle lichen]

The cost of speedfarming

[tawdry flare]

He is just lazy to go through inventory

[heady ember]

exactly 🙂

makes no sense,to go through it,until its full 😎

[hexed steppe]

Ide argue 4pc variant better if running 5d open world for mitigating pistolero. Also no regen, especially if using determined where weapon swap messes up your proc

[tawdry flare]

Use gunner

[onyx sage]

like i said, if you're after max damage, you look at 3p, 4p offers more utility

it's not end all be all either if you don't run 4p because i run HHF reg for heroic 5d anyway

[spring oasis]

Any advice for hunter fury build?

[tawdry flare]

I thought you ran binoculars on M870

[onyx sage]

imagine running focus in this economy

[tawdry flare]

Change your name to headhunter than

[hexed steppe]

-25% hsd, -20% hotshot buff (with 3pc) , -some handling ( not sure amount tho since gunner has some handling buff)

@onyx sage
Now considering determined is broke and makes keeping hotshot buffs active absurdly easy... how close is a 321 hs to a 4pc hs wh airaldi with 20% hs buff active*

With the 20% buff active*

[onyx sage]

you can look at the sheet I got here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17A9O2lhSsrO8Bfo-fVW_JP09m96e3iaCsY1Wv_lPgU4/edit?usp=drivesdk, has some variants of 4p and 3p

it's important to know that the 20% buff from 4p is a self amp, meaning it only multiplies bullet damage, not both that and HH bonus, and even though some self amps are really strong, 4p hotshot's 20% self amp doesn't beat 321,

that being said, if you one-shot kill whatever content you want to kill, it doesn't matter

the sheet is configured to show damage against standard legendary 4 man elites, but you can make a copy and select a different enemy. some enemies are tankier than standard (like medics in legendary) so that extra damage really matters for one-shots, but not everyone does legendary

[magic pilot]

I just had a discussion regarding 3pc vs 4pc for sniping

Unless you are an actual god 4pc isn't worth using

4pc barely out dmgs 3pc and not by enough to get you over any threshold

[sullen sun]

It’s for pvp yes. So you think I should go all red?

[vestal ibex]

5 blues yo.

Your backpack and chest talents are based off of your armor and if you have no armor they do virtually nothing.

[vestal pelican]

Anyone have a good LMG build?

[sullen sun]

Yeah no lmg

[vestal pelican]

🥲 rip. Any suggestions?

[tawdry flare]

Iron lung lmg with strikers should do the trick for you

[sullen sun]

Long reload time though

[tawdry flare]

You can use fast hands on most lmgs like l86 mg5

[sullen sun]

What happened to the Evernote link?

[magic pilot]

GR9 steady handed with 4 pc striker with ceska obliterate chest and coyotes mask

[sullen sun]

Is pestilence/ridgeway a thing now?

In PvP

[tawdry flare]

Eww gr 9

[vestal ibex]

That's misleading...

[flint wave]

xd

[vestal ibex]

That's with the talent active.

[magic pilot]

No

[sullen sun]

Good to know

[sullen sun]

Should Ridgeway be used honestly?

[flint wave]

no

[sullen sun]

Can someone post a link for Evernote

Can’t seem to find it

[flint wave]

down

[sullen sun]

What would the best PvP tank build look like?

[rich lotus]

Damn, my mans has no signal

[sullen sun]

Haven’t woken the Hamster up

[rich lotus]

I'd rather be fast asleep under a pile of sawdust than working today

[flint wave]

that's like a landmark farmer build

landmark and extraction defense

[sullen sun]

But technically just replace Memento for PvP no?

[flint wave]

something like that

[rich lotus]

Reasonable. What's your pulse resistance on that?

[glossy scarab]

Approx 40% or is it 50 from spec tree

[urban latch]

You can move grupo to the backpack and run foxes instead to swap out memento

[rich lotus]

Wew lad
I don't know if I'd be happy with anything less than 99.9% in DZ but you do you. Looks solid otherwise

[magic pilot]

Belstone, emperors, catharsis, 2 golan. Picaros

Armor regen and hazpro

[glossy scarab]

99.9% works fine for me

Still looking for that max mod

[rich lotus]

I got a 9.9% about a month or two ago, woo let me tell you that was a moment

[magic pilot]

I got 10% like a week after they came out

Just got another recently

[rich lotus]

No max PfE mods, no maxed PR mods and that's the only two

Are they purposely more rare than the others, or is that just bad RNG?

[glossy scarab]

I think you need legendary pretty much to get max pfe mods

Heroic countdown hasn't helped me with that yet

[haughty latch]

which is why i have a 2nd account with floor 100 saved. for those lego floor 100 farms for 13% pfe mods

or if anyone wants to knock out the 50 floors for the commedation

[magic pilot]

I'm down for some floor 100 farming soon

[umbral sleet]

Is Striker+Elmo the best PvE build so far? mostly solo play with some duo

[tawdry flare]

Striker + ouroboros is the new dumb build

[umbral sleet]

I summe Incursions are not soloable?

[magic pilot]

You could do it solo

It just isn't that common

[umbral sleet]

ok, time to watch some videos so im not a complete noob running it the first time 🙂

[bronze hound]

dont try to do the incursion solo

[umbral sleet]

I won't, but I don't want to jump into a group and not knowing what to do

[bronze hound]

fair enough

[flint wave]

yes

[urban latch]

I wouldn't just blanket say it's "the best build"

[tawdry flare]

Mhhh than what do you suggest cause it definitely is dumb

[urban latch]

It's a very good build in general but it's not really the best for anything outside the incursion imo

[tawdry flare]

So HF Ouroboros?

[astral kraken]

i saw that

[tawdry flare]

You saw nothing I have dev powers

[urban latch]

I'm just saying there's too much variety in what makes various builds stronger vs others, there really isn't just a single blanket "best build". It really depends on the situation your using it for

[glossy scarab]

HF ouro and a shotty is great with versatile backpack

[astral kraken]

you want a dumb build? 4 blue striker, memento, ceska oblit chest, and ouroborus. turn off brain, shoot things, cqb, collect trophies.

[tawdry flare]

That is true tbh

[tawdry flare]

Just put determined d50 with hf and you are done for most part

[astral kraken]

lol thats money

[tawdry flare]

NGL can solo legendary in some areas

I tried d50 determined and regulus for chunga helmet on legendary and I switched back 2 regulus cause how good it is vs d50

[flint wave]

community discovers memento again

[astral kraken]

i like memento. haters gonna hate. just gotta know when/how to use it.

[flint wave]

well anything solo it's the best

[astral kraken]

i still like it in groups when you're the only dps

[tawdry flare]

If someone says memento is bad than he hasn't used ninjabike yet

[astral kraken]

i hate ninjabike lol

lowkey if i see someone wearing it i lose a little respect for their abilities. i know thats wrong.

i just never see someone wearing that and go "wow they are helping the group". ninjabike wearer is always being carried.

[flint wave]

ninjabike consistently makes the majority of randoms builds worse and I hate it

[astral kraken]

i think it just breaks people's brains

[shy willow]

People will scour YouTube for best builds and many people on there seem to really like ninja

[flint wave]

me when I see the 7th 3 striker 2 negotiator/hb this week🛌

me when I see ninja bike picaros holster

[astral kraken]

haha

i can see the appeal. i just don't think people realize how little the brandset bonuses give them.

[flint wave]

also that brazos 2pc is useless on most builds

[shy willow]

I don't think newer players can tell how broken the memento trophies are

[flint wave]

people stick picaros and ninjabike on a hunters fury build like its bout to do something

👴 .

[shy willow]

Muh free skill tier

[flint wave]

Skill tier 2 revive hive good

perhaps 3 with tech

[shy willow]

And then they only self res with it

[hexed steppe]

t4-t5 shield 😆 about the only good thing from that combo

[flint wave]

people forgot about blue cores already

[umbral sleet]

I actually jsut saw teh first ninja build from an Incursion walkthru. I have been building striker with elmo, but without the elmo it feels that my armor gets eaten up quickly, so I only use it as a dps build in a group. Solo im doing the foundry with reflector shield. But seems that what's in youtube/reddit as "good builds" differ from what's discussed here. And I trust discord more than youtube

btw I'm new enough to not know what HF, d50 or NGL mean 🙂

[shy willow]

NINJA ON INCURSION

[astral kraken]

yikes emoji

[urban latch]

Anyone that's telling you to use a ninjabike in the incursion is not someone worth listening to...

[umbral sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQpxOyXusGw

[shy willow]

Hunters fury, D50 pistol (desert eagle), NGL is I'm assuming not gonna lie

[astral kraken]

dude it takes him FOREVER to kill one elite

[umbral sleet]

Thank, I have a D50 and the Liberty (for the reflection shield)

[urban latch]

OMG it's a 2p striker, 3p HB, ninjabike build 🤦‍♂️

[umbral sleet]

I will take recommendation from ya'll on a dps build and a tank build

[flint wave]

average matchmaking build

[shy willow]

OUCH

[urban latch]

Just a basic striker build with the striker chest

[urban latch]

Well he highly recommends it for matchmaking...

[flint wave]

mfs have kill times like this and go "this build is fire 🔥 "

new meme idea unlocked

[shy willow]

I wonder why creators swearing on subpar builds don't get called out

[tawdry flare]

I at least don't do these I say straight 5.11 is meta

[flint wave]

they multiply if you kill one off

[tawdry flare]

Cause the people new to the game don't understand anything so they are easy to sway

[glossy scarab]

They do. On here

[tawdry flare]

My 5.11 joke got deleted

[shy willow]

Ah true

[astral kraken]

they dont want anyone to know the truth

[urban latch]

Speaking from experience, when you just have those fans making dumb excuses for their favorite YTer and rally behind them.

[tawdry flare]

If you insert fanboys into anything you. Know you are not gonna win

[urban latch]

The channels are mostly ignored by experienced players and become echo chambers for casual players who don't know any better

[tawdry flare]

I used to watch NBZ due to div1

[magic pilot]

He was decent in div 1

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

Widdz 1.0

[tawdry flare]

Widdz was good to but he doesn't play div2 mowdays

[astral kraken]

I wish the game force opened the stats screen after missions and showed more stats. Maybe that would help.

[tawdry flare]

Also MarcoStyleNL

[magic pilot]

He made some bad decisions that's why he doesn't play

[tawdry flare]

We have a stats screen that is good enough compared to div1

[shy willow]

There was this one guy doing like sub 5 minute solo legendaries I forget the name now but that stuff was crazy to watch

[tawdry flare]

I guess so

[tawdry flare]

CanTian for div1

[shy willow]

That's the one

[tawdry flare]

That guy is something div1 legendary are a lot harder than div2

[magic pilot]

Div 1 legendary was a different breed

[tawdry flare]

Is*

[magic pilot]

It's unplayable on console

[tawdry flare]

The NPCs are way too aggressive one shots you

[magic pilot]

I'll have to try it out on pc

[tawdry flare]

Also when NPCs bugs out it takes like 4 player dumping entire ammo box in them to get a kill

[tawdry flare]

Hit me up in few days

[shy willow]

I gave up trying to solo and just run reclaimer for people on the rare occasion I can find a 3-4 man

[tawdry flare]

Probably Sunday

[shy willow]

NPCs lock on

Until I get a proper tactician I submit that shits crazy

[tawdry flare]

Also div1 NPCs doesn't flinch when aimed at head iirc they doesn't care

[tawdry flare]

6pcs tactician is shit tbh

Better off 4 or 5 pcs with a nice bagpavk talent

[shy willow]

5 pc with relentless BP is what I was planning

But I only got gloves and chest

Classy

[tawdry flare]

I remember getting to wave 33 in resistance

Boy that was tough without mic

I had to lead the group

[shy willow]

I was thinking maybe I could solo farm to wave 9/10 on P93 but not sure if I can do it and I don't wanna do it for nothing

[tawdry flare]

You can there is a guide for this you basically go to a spot wait for NPCs there

Just make sure you have 1 ammo box

And the perk with which bullet has 50% chance to refund on headshot

Also the recoil on div1 gun is insane

[shy willow]

Would 3 striker 2 nomad and ninja be fine

[shy willow]

Lightweight m4 ain't so bad

[tawdry flare]

Compared to div2 I meant

[tawdry flare]

You don't have any classified?

[shy willow]

I'm missing like 1/2 pieces from each set it's very annoying

[tawdry flare]

Ok than

[shy willow]

I have 5 reclaimer 5 predators mark 5 lone star it's argh

[magic pilot]

3 striker 1 nomad 1 is another

The PFE one

[tawdry flare]

3 striker 1 nomad and 1

[shy willow]

D3?

[tawdry flare]

Mhh maybe predators mark

[magic pilot]

Might be d3

[rich lotus]

What's a great build for someone under 300SHD? I have a decent Striker build and a decent Heartbreaker build but I'm thinking there has to be something that can fully utilise my SHD level

[magic pilot]

Yea D3

[tawdry flare]

1 lone Star for that ammo capacity

[magic pilot]

Hell no

Just use 1 is none

[tawdry flare]

With ninjabike

You get striker 4pcs +15% health on kill and 100% ammo capacity

[magic pilot]

No

[tawdry flare]

Ammo is such a bi*ch

[magic pilot]

D3 nomad and 3 striker

[tawdry flare]

D3 is protection from elites

[magic pilot]

Or final measure

Yea incursions are all elites

[tawdry flare]

We are talking about div1 here and resistance where you run out of ammo

[shy willow]

Couldn't I offset it with an ammo box or ammo cap attributes

[tawdry flare]

Naa just run a lone Star pcs

Even if you did offset with ammo capacity rolls

[magic pilot]

I meant resistance lol

You just run ammo station

[tawdry flare]

I said that

[magic pilot]

And emp sticky

[tawdry flare]

You mean the blind sticky

[magic pilot]

Yep lol

I'm so high rn my bad

[tawdry flare]

NW get Low

[shy willow]

So blind sticky and no pulse but ammo box instead

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause ammo is needed

[shy willow]

Cool down will be crazy

[magic pilot]

No

[tawdry flare]

Also get damage to armour rolls and damage to elite rolls

[tawdry flare]

Not that much tbh

[shy willow]

I have dta/dte attributes yeah

[magic pilot]

You use the perk that reduces skill cooldown on kill

Boosts the tac link refresh a ton

[shy willow]

What I don't have is destructive or determined on my m4

[tawdry flare]

Damm

[shy willow]

And I've been crafting a shit ton and couldn't get a good one

[shy willow]

No recovery link?

[tawdry flare]

You need just predatory determined and destructive in a m4

[tawdry flare]

I use Tac link

[shy willow]

Currently mine has responsive predatory and I think unforgiving

[magic pilot]

That's what it is

No nvm

Predatory, destructive, determined

https://youtu.be/LfvbgcXCX1U?si=zcmRcYCcYMp3N0aF

[tawdry flare]

Determined on the free slot

[shy willow]

Are the stat requirements for determined quite high then

[gentle lichen]

I remember soloing amherest's apartment in legendary with classified pred

Pred's mark is a beast

[shy willow]

Once I can solo legendary I will have achieved greatness

Just need a damn classy set

Or a good tactician 4/5 piece

[slate wedge]

yeah, so 99.9% is fine for that?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 4790 electronics

[gentle lichen]

Pretty much

[tawdry flare]

Cheese

[shy willow]

Ouchhh

It's gotta be basically God rolled then

[gentle lichen]

You'll never get pulsed by HB users or spotter. Basically linked laser will not work

[tawdry flare]

I don't use cheesy stuff cause it ruins the fun

[gentle lichen]

Call it what you want. When i spread that bleed from a tank to 5 enemies by sheer luck it's nothing short of exhilarating

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[slate wedge]

yeah just wanna be invisible

[gentle lichen]

You will

[slate wedge]

also wanna do a sniperbuild for the dz

is 3pc yaahl, 1pc habsburg, 1pc providence and contractors fine?

[gentle lichen]

What weapon are you going to use?

Also pgc vigi right?

[slate wedge]

i will use white death + nemesis

idk yet if i should use unbreakable or gc

[gentle lichen]

Drop nemesis for mantis. You won't need all the extra damage from talent. Mantis will help you kill faster

[gentle lichen]

No just use pgc with vigi

[slate wedge]

what armor split?

[gentle lichen]

All red

[slate wedge]

don't have the red yaahl pieces so i am bound to 3 blues

i think i should still be able to kill in one shot

[gentle lichen]

Not with white death or mantis tho. Assuming you're fighting meta players 2.0m or 1.8 with defender drone

So use nemesis then

[slate wedge]

i already got a build with pgc and vigi with all red but it isnt pulse res

[sullen sun]

Anyone got an ETA on server?

[stark trout]

Can someone recommend a good build for heroic difficulty missions like Roosevelt and also for trying an incursion? I usually find myself struggling to kill fast enough. (dont prefer sniper because my headshot aim is bad)

P.S. I dont have that new exotic SMG which is featured in a lot of build videos

[glossy scarab]

Best not to think about it

[sullen sun]

Wait til I get my hands on Mike

[glossy scarab]

Every mike will pay for this

[glad heart]

They recommend running a striker build for the incursion. Have not run anything else for the incursion, so don't know what the performance would be of a high end red DPS build. For heroic content I run an all red DPS build, with Elmo; 58% CHC, 202.5% CHD. Providence, Fox's, Grupo, and Fenris

Unbreakable chest talent, perfect vigilance bp talent

[flint wave]

strikers battle gear👴

[stark trout]

thank you

[vestal ibex]

Can someone recommend a good build for use during the server down time?

[gentle lichen]

Patience gearset

[glad heart]

A build composed entirely of Rainbow attributed gear

[flint wave]

all green build

[gentle lichen]

Catharsis is bis of course. Reading the exotic description it is very fitting

[flint wave]

[gentle lichen]

The establishment does everything in its power to ensure that revolutionary rage is redirected into empty outlets which provide pressure releases for desires that could become dangerous if allowed to progress.
GEORGE L. JACKSON

[umbral sleet]

So for a new player, that is not geared yet for Incursion (meaning no Ouroboros yet), will the Striker + Elm be good until then?

[vestal ibex]

Yurp.

I'd suggest ceska obiterate chest for the turret area and then striker chest for the rest tho.

Make sure you shoot the bosses in the face tho.

[umbral sleet]

well I try, doesn't mean always sucessfull 😄

[vestal ibex]

All in time. If you find a good group incursion runs are super ez and quick.

[umbral sleet]

and a good tank build, bulwark?

[vestal ibex]

WHAT?!?!?

[umbral sleet]

I'm asking..

[vestal ibex]

lol naw the only two builds you need for the incursion are Striker dps and FI healer.

[umbral sleet]

what's FI?

[vestal ibex]

Future initiative

It's a gear set that give 25% TWD when you wear the chest and alies are at full armor.

[heady ember]

hmm,we all didnt had an oru in our first run 🙂 striker 100 on turrets and for the rest 200 with elmo is pretty fine.If your play style,will prevent you from keeping 160+ stacks,stay with 100 and obli chest.still enough but better dmg for you.

[vestal ibex]

Also 25% TSD.

[vestal ibex]

There is also a build guide in the spread sheet you can refer to, it's exactly what you'd wanna run.

[icy rune]

I'm theorycrafting a build with my my three favorite gun types. I have no aspirations that it will work for Legendary or be meta at all. Maybe I can craft something passable for Heroic. I have the 1886, a sawed-off (or Backup Boomstick), and a P90 ( or Chatterbox). I love all three of these, and maybe Hunter's Fury could tie them together along with Memento. Starting off, I don't know where to start with cohesive talents. Determined seems like a mismatch if I use the 1886 at close to medium range. I imagine running the SMG for missions and mob spawns and the 1886 for stuck-behind-cover times. the sidearm is for emergency mob flanks. I think a mix of golds and named pieces might outclass Hunter's Fury, but I don't know where to start. Can the 1886 be run with CHC instead of HSD? Shield and Banshee pulse for skills? I want to get some ideas before I start optimizing and recalibrating.

[glossy scarab]

yes you can use 1886 for a crit build. thats kinda what the named version the virginian is for with perfect boomerang

[vestal ibex]

HF is probably the best route but if you are out of range it wont be nearly as good. Do you plan on playing withing the 15 meter range?

[heady ember]

works for hero with 5d,legendary also (if you can get stack quick enough)

[vestal ibex]

This is just HE HH reg tho.

If not using reg it's just HE HH determined.

[heady ember]

old but steady and works like a charm.cant kill faster,if know how to play it.reg only for chungas etc.

[icy rune]

No Regulus yet, but I'd consider it. If I'm switching between short and medium range HF is not too useful, right? I'm torn between Coyote for CH or Memento for overall damage and survival.

[vestal ibex]

Regulus is great and head hunters builds are amazing but totally not what you are asking about. They require you to headshot and hit over a damage threshold and go into what's known as alpha damage. Basically true/false whether or not you kill and if false you loose buffs. HF outside of it's range is just awesome health and armor on kill.

[icy rune]

I forgot about armor on kill. lol.

[urban latch]

I would make 2 separate builds since they are both pretty different. 1886 I think is only worth using if your running a determined headhunter build, but will struggle on higher group scalings. I think the named perfect boomerang is pretty poor because of this. Chatterbox would be a more typical crit build, that because of it's talent will do better on lower difficulties/scaling. Both can be done with hunters fury setups, but different variations of it.

[icy rune]

I think that why I found 2 sets of HF in my stash coming back after a year. I'll try a CHC HF with Chatterbox and see if the 1886 adds any utility, but I'm skeptical myself. The P90 itself is sub-par, yes?

[umbral sleet]

Which gun is that?

[vestal ibex]

Regulus. IH raid only and it's a project.

[urban latch]

All things considered the p90 pretty solid. It's not the best high end smg, but it's absolutely fine

[umbral sleet]

Thanks. Guess I need to start jumping in raids and incursions, just started doing countdowns last week.

[icy rune]

BiS talent for Hunter's Fury?

[urban latch]

For which build

[umbral sleet]

Will Elmo drop in Countdown as a target gear or only through exotic chests?

[vestal ibex]

You'll wanna find LFG discords for this tho. I can DM you some if you'd like.

[icy rune]

CD for sure.

[umbral sleet]

If you could please, I appreciate it

[vestal ibex]

It's in the general pool yes so exo caches, AR targted loot, or just anywhere.

[icy rune]

og my bad, a P90.

[urban latch]

Obliterate

[icy rune]

OMG, your the spreadsheet guy! I see your builds all the time! Thanks for the awsome stuff I've seen.

[flint wave]

fame

[onyx sage]

imagine

[slate wedge]

Raucey, le guy de spreadsheet.

[icy rune]

Hey, I thought the name looked familiar.

[rich lotus]

hey anyone has a good chameleon build?

[glossy scarab]

uh oh. raucey fans. raucies

[forest forum]

I'm guessing gunner best specialization for dps

[icy rune]

Knowing my skill level, too, I need the additional armor on kill.

[vestal ibex]

If you want the highest DPS you'll get firewall is the go to.

[forest forum]

I thought Belstone Armory was good one to use but honestly I do not see its needed with gunner

[vestal ibex]

Striker shield is 5% amp per enemy in front of it and enemies within 10m of you take 10% amp from team mates.

[glossy scarab]

mine is 12%

or is that total. maybe not per enemy

[vestal ibex]

This guy has all the mods. If you thicc boi modded you can be like this too.

[glossy scarab]

lol yea i have the max mods

[flint wave]

12% how

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I think there is a 1% extra mod but it's just one slot I think.

[glossy scarab]

i dont know how

[flint wave]

I thought it was 5% max cap on one mod and 1% other mod

11%

[glossy scarab]

yeah. the 12 comes from something, i dont know, but if i have a skill tier it goes to 13

i cant find the pic but when the game opens up i'll get another one

[vestal ibex]

Buff does go up per skill tier.

[glossy scarab]

yea thats it

[icy rune]

The P90 is so much fun! I shot one a gun range years ago, and Chatterbox is my favorite exotic, despite falling out of favor. Time to re-build my Hunter's Fury setup! Thanks for the advice, folks!

[glossy scarab]

chatterbox can be a lot of fun but when it goes back down to 700 rpm ur kinda SOL. on heroic you dont get all that many no reload chainkills normally

[steel rampart]

Best high end build for the Oreo? With and without sacrifice

[glossy scarab]

def 2 sokolov, coyotes, grupo, foxes, contractors maybe

[forest forum]

I'm not going to use a shield with my build i don't think it has armor on kill but with gunner be nice to have that if i use dps for mods i want the additional crit dam

[vestal ibex]

I mean you asked what's best for DPS and that will get you the most DPS.

Use whatever you want it really doens't matter tho.

[forest forum]

I didn't ask for best dps i just said dps in general but i appreciate it

[astral kraken]

best specialization for dps

[glossy scarab]

firewall bc of the striker shield damage

but i play gunner for other reasons

[vestal ibex]

It doesn't matter, it's just preference mostly.

[astral kraken]

i like tech for the shield buff if i'm using that

and to kill dogs a bit faster

[forest forum]

Not same thing that's specifically on specialization lol

[vestal ibex]

12% is pretty nice for dem.

[astral kraken]

oh yea that too. i'll run demo on leg b/c it also ignores explosions every 60s. lifesaver sometimes.

[vestal ibex]

Which spec is best for DPS builds was your question then?

I mean it's preference then and which is best depends on your play style. Anyone can justify which ever one they use.

[forest forum]

Wasn't exactly a question. I said, I'm guessing. Big difference.

[glossy scarab]

except dont use sharpshooter if its not a headshot build

[astral kraken]

firewall - for cqb
technician - for stronger shield at mid range
gunner - sustained dps (3rd reload faster) and ammo
demo - legendary to deal with explosions

[vestal ibex]

So you just came in here with a statement not expecting people to give input? Why did you take the time to type that then?

[forest forum]

You mean nitpick, idc. Wanted to see opinions and I got it. You assumed I don't expect input. I just don't expect attitude but boy y'all really got it out for me and its a little flattering tbh.

[urban latch]

You got a solid explanation for what you were "guessing" about, I'm not sure what you were looking for unless it was just someone to agree with you

[forest forum]

Wasn't looking for anything. Just opinions. I can care less who agrees or not.

[vestal ibex]

I just spat some facts. It's not opinion, that kicks in when you justify what you are using it for. Sorry I misinterpreted your want for opinions/justification or whatever it may have been.

[hazy steeple]

Heads up, it's "I couldn't care less".
"I can care less" means that you can, indeed, care less.

[glossy scarab]

basic facts

[flint wave]

🚎

[vestal ibex]

🍿

[slate wedge]

i could care less about that not gonna lie

[hazy steeple]

You should care less about it.

[slate wedge]

i couldn't care less about if i should care less about it

[hazy steeple]

Well that's better grammar, but you should try working on your sentence structure.

[slate wedge]

no

[hazy steeple]

Brad, you doing alright?

you've been typing that message for 30 mins.

[forest forum]

English language can be twisted and manipulated in so many ways. They're still opinions. Interpret what you will. I just wanted a conversation on gunner about dps. You just want to be a monkey. Monkey see, monkey do. Bye.

[vestal ibex]

Worth it.

I'll have to change my name to Duval monkey now I guess.

[forest forum]

I do care less, thx for confirming that. 🙈

[slate wedge]

i am so fed up

stupid servers

i hope they fix it soon

[vestal ibex]

Big rip yo

[magic pilot]

Best specialization while servers are down?

[flint wave]

⠀

[slate wedge]

need to beat your PB

thats why

just 1 minute time reduction to go

[vestal ibex]

I need to beat it too

[rich lotus]

That's a shame. I tried to be nice to Br(e)ad today but it turns out he's not a cool guy

I think it's time to farm for a Hunters Fury build for random aimless solo stuff. I keep hearing how great it is

[sullen sun]

Question

[flint wave]

no

[sullen sun]

Is this ok?

[bronze hound]

for pvp or

[flint wave]

needs coyotes

[rich lotus]

I mean, it has Ouro and red cores. At a certain point, it doesn't really matter what else you do

[sullen sun]

That’s what I was thinking

[flint wave]

run red forge holster

[rich lotus]

Though I'd want to spec a little more into the right set bonuses. A Providence mask maybe, instead of the WH one. Contractors, I'm not sure how much that is doing for you

Maybe if you can, one of the WH slots could be Providence and the other could be Sokolov

[merry drift]

why i cant equip this one

[hexed steppe]

Do you have survivalist active

[merry drift]

what's that

im new tho

[hexed steppe]

Ok note the name of the pistol. It a special one linked with survivalist specialization.

All specs have their own special pistol but the spec has to be active to use them

Survivalist is the crossbow

[merry drift]

aha thx

[fallow spade]

I need a good build for max damage hability does anybody know?

[hexed steppe]

Striker. Check the pinned spreadsheet

[fallow spade]

Striker for hability damage?

Arent those for weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

Yeah we. Wtf is hability damage

[hazy steeple]

I think they're using an arcane form of "ability", which I assume is skill damage?

[hexed steppe]

Sorry, turret/drone build in spreadsheet

[hazy steeple]

I'm going to start using forsooth in solace with out of date language.

@urban latch Verily, what beeth thine preferred Striker configuration?

[urban latch]

Sorry, what are you looking for exactly?

[fallow spade]

Build for abilitys

[urban latch]

By abilities you mean skills? We might be having a mix up translation here

[fallow spade]

Yes

Cba with damage build plus i dont have coyote mask

[urban latch]

That's a pretty wide range if builds. If you check the pinned spreadsheet, there's a whole section of yellow builds that are skill focused builds

[fallow spade]

Thanks

[magic pilot]

Not sure why you'd run all red smg/shotgun in pvp

[sullen sun]

I know nothing about the world of smg/shotgun

What’s a proper Oro build?

[magic pilot]

Build 1- Catharsis, matador, 2pc sokolov or 1pc sokolov and grupo, fox, picaros

Build 2- coyotes, 2 pc sokolov or 1pc sokolov 1 grupo, contractors, Fox, picaros.

Ad rush/unbreakable

[sullen sun]

How many blues cores?

[runic sphinx]

Whats the go to double companion setup for pvp

Is this pretty good. Gotta re-roll chest to a blue, backpack to companion and ideally roll a better henri

[urban latch]

Just be aware that double companion awhile ago was bugged and twice as strong as intended, and that bug has been fixed

The setup is fine though once you swap the core

[magic pilot]

6 on build 1, 4-5 on build 2

[magic pilot]

Depending on the weapon that's fine

[runic sphinx]

Yeah I saw someone using it the other day so wanted to try it

[magic pilot]

It's pretty strong in a group still

[runic sphinx]

Famas Optimist

[magic pilot]

Yea what you have is good. Nice job

[runic sphinx]

Chestpiece is CHD and Weapon handling 😦

[round iron]

alrighty how is my first ND build?

i have CHC for gear mods and Obliterate as chest talent

[urban latch]

Looks solid

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest and fox

[cyan drift]

countdown vendor this week (Optimal range as roll but it's fine cause it's named)

[magic pilot]

Anything else good?

[rich lotus]

Anyone recommend solid PvE solo build I currently run true patriot with chameleon

Trying to get st Elmo’s but not having any luck getting it no matter what I try

[cyan drift]

a lot of healing things this week for some resaon

otherwise not really

seasonal loot goblin is back

Would this technically be called a Setdown?

[bronze hound]

its certainly a letdown

[slender sentinel]

what attributes do I want on shocker punch?

[bronze hound]

the attributes are locked

[slender sentinel]

oh so its always 3 blues?

[bronze hound]

yes

[slender sentinel]

then i got the max roll already. Dope.

[slate wedge]

anything i should change?

[bronze hound]

is this for pvp

[forest hollow]

best attributes for st elmo's?

[bronze hound]

yes

[slate wedge]

no, incursion

[bronze hound]

why the high armour

[slate wedge]

i'm joking

it is for pvp

[tawdry flare]

5.11 pcs are missing you are nerfing yourself

Swap regulus for double barrel

St. Elmos for sleigher

[slate wedge]

ultimate dum dum

[tawdry flare]

To make it a god mode YT build

[slate wedge]

to make it a godmode yt build i need to put tur/dro and 2 yellow cores

[tawdry flare]

7 yellow anything less is nerfing yourself

[slate wedge]

🤡

[forest hollow]

or is current attributes fine?

[slate wedge]

current one is the best by far

keep it as it is and just optimize it

[forest hollow]

Got it

[magic pilot]

With regulus that's fine

[slate wedge]

any room for optimization?

[stark trout]

can someone explain what number of core attributes means? Isn't that fixed for everyone anyways?

[fickle light]

number of core attributes equipped, meaning if you have 2 of each as an example, your short term buff is 10% weapon dmg, 20% bonus armor, and 10% skill efficiency. But if you have 6 red cores, and then memento's skill and armor cores, it'll be 30% weapon damage, 10% bonus armor, and 5% skill efficiency

[fallen comet]

number of core attributes refers to the entire build, not just the ones on memento

[stark trout]

Aren those variable? I thought number of core attributes on every piece is fixed

[fallen comet]

some items have blue cores, some have red, some yellow

like if you go with a fenris mask you get a red core but if you go wyvern you get a yellow core

[fickle light]

Core attributes refers to the red/yellow/blue "core" of an item, red being weapon damage, yellow being skill tier, and blue being armor. Each item aside from certain exotics has one "core"

[stark trout]

But does this Memento require only red cores or something?

[fallen comet]

where does it ever say that

[stark trout]

So then why does the color matter?

[fallen comet]

color = core

[stark trout]

yea but my question is- arent the number of core attributes fixed anyways?

[fickle light]

Number, yes. It will always be 6, or with Ninjabike/Memento, 8

But you can have a different number of each core type.

[stark trout]

So then how do u make the memento scale with the number of cores equipped if they are almost always the same?

[fallen comet]

you can go 6 red OR 6 blue OR 6 red OR 2 yellow 2 red 2 blue OR whatever you want

depending on the combo you go, you get the buffs

[stark trout]

So the red blue and yellow buffs from the memento are not fixed?

[fallen comet]

oh my god

one red core gives 5%

[fickle light]

6 red, 1 yellow, 1 blue= 30% weapon damage, 5% skill eff, 10% bonus armor
1 red, 6 yellow, 1 blue- 5% weapon damage, 30% skill eff, 10% bonus armor
1 red, 1 yellow, 6 blue- 5% weapon damage, 5% skill eff, 60% bonus armor

[fallen comet]

how many do you have, multiply that by 5%

[stark trout]

ah got it

thanks

[fickle light]

I'm not doing the whole chart, but you get it now.

[zenith drift]

What specialization is good with the St Elmo

[gentle lichen]

Beauty.

[tawdry flare]

I have got 3

[flint wave]

I kept getting them when trying to go for crit foxes to recal it to blue core👴

[fallen comet]

i got the blueprint

[hazy steeple]

The Spec Tree depends on the rest of your build.
If you're using it as a Strikers, Gunner is quite popular for the Armour on Kill.

[fair ridge]

what spec should I use with strikers? trying to set up a build

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure now I've got all versions i need of foxes'. No need for a blueprint now

[gentle lichen]

Depends. If you want the most damage i suggest firewall because of shield. If you want aok and rpm on kill go gunner

[tawdry flare]

Open world striker gunner is better for the added utility of armour on kill

Or technician for skill tier and artificer for shield

[fair ridge]

gotcha

[tawdry flare]

With striker you are looking for utility

[fair ridge]

also i got this f2000 that i was using for heartbreaker

would flatline still be usable?

tried rolling famas or m4 and no luck

[flint wave]

you can't use pulse pointer on short rails which famas has

[tawdry flare]

You can keep it in stash and change the talent

[fair ridge]

already changed 3rd stat on it :/

[tawdry flare]

Damm than a trash item

[fair ridge]

it's great for heartbreaker

[flint wave]

can it use pointer?

[fair ridge]

f2000? no i don't think so. optics, mags and muzzle

what weapon should I craft or try to get then?

[fallen comet]

carbine 7 with dtoc is pretty decent

[tawdry flare]

POLICE M4 Replica

You can craft it on the bench or farm one

[fallen comet]

or not replica

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Replica

[fair ridge]

yeah i've been trying to craft that or famas. running out of steel slowly. what talent should I go for?

[fallen comet]

flatline?

still talking about heartbreaker?

[tawdry flare]

You can go for a famas/M4 with third attribute as dttoc

[fair ridge]

nah trying to build strikers

[tawdry flare]

Fast hands / strained

[fallen comet]

fast hands or optimist id say

[fair ridge]

back to crafting then

here goes my steel

[fallen comet]

just farm countdown, much better quality than crafting

[tawdry flare]

Your priority is to get one with third attribute as dttoc so you can change talent whenever you want

[fair ridge]

i haven't touched countdown yet. only tried summit. just came back after like 3 years break

[fair ridge]

yeah

[fallen comet]

or get one with a good talent and then recal 10% dtoc, saves optimization mats

[tawdry flare]

Try on challenging pretty easy for a carry

[fair ridge]

i also need a better ceska chest

[tawdry flare]

Honestly no cause you can dump expertise on dttoc one and change talent whenever you want

[fair ridge]

guess i should put ceska brand as target?

[tawdry flare]

No AR as Target loot

[fallen comet]

for a chest with crits and oblitrate yes

if you want an AR then target ARs?

[fair ridge]

yeah guess weapon should come first

thanks again. gonna check out countdown

[hazy steeple]

Obligatory: If you're looking for a brand/named, go for [brand] in TL if Exotic, go for [type]

[fair ridge]

🙂

[gentle lichen]

Pro tip: you can change targeted mid countdown so if you get the ar you need just switch targeted to ceska

[tawdry flare]

Need to save this template

[hazy steeple]

Oh I saved that one about 2 years ago.

I like typing it fresh though.

[tawdry flare]

Countdown was not out than

[hazy steeple]

Targeted Loot was.

[tawdry flare]

Summit was my bad

[merry drift]

im new what build i can do for this level

pls anything can help

[fair ridge]

managed to this famas 2010 from two runs

[tawdry flare]

Nice weapon with very good talent that is a god weapon

[tawdry flare]

Speedrunners favourite weapon and talent

[fair ridge]

so what do you recommend i do further with it. optimize until it's maxed out?

[tawdry flare]

You can leave optimization untill you have the mats just reroll the talent to whatever you want

2.3% ar dmg and 2% missing dttoc doesn't matter all that much for the most oart

Dttoc will take 2 optimization

[fair ridge]

cool

[merry drift]

anyone help?

[tawdry flare]

Sure what do you want

[tawdry flare]

You want a good build I would recommend a strikers build

[merry drift]

i mean how even i can do a build

cuz idk anything about these stuf

[tawdry flare]

No worries we start from scratch

The most recommended build for new players is a striker build cause it is easy to farm

[tawdry flare]

Striker Build

To farm it :you can play challenging countdown with striker set as Target loot by this I mean you can set the loot by hovering over countdown and pressing h and than select the loot you want strikers in our case

[merry drift]

ok 1 more question

how to get point for these

[tawdry flare]

You get points by levelling up +3 points per each shd level +5 points for mission in red called invaded mission

[merry drift]

ok ty

[merry drift]

is there a video shows how to farm Strike build

cuz what u sent kinda difficult

[tawdry flare]

Ok I think I have dods video

[tawdry flare]

Guide to Farming

[tawdry flare]

Where are the other 2 monkey's

[west kiln]

@sly pollen how i have mine running is that i hit max crit chance exactly (before coyote's buffs) cuz of the ceska

if it wasnt ceska itd be in the 40s

and id have to have mods

[sly pollen]

I'm currently using this, but as I said, I didn't understand exactly what the mask was for and thought about changing it.

With this

[west kiln]

i mean both work fine i think!

[lethal trellis]

@sly pollen it's team buff and all 3 buff can activate simultaneously

[sly pollen]

exacly

[sly pollen]

Yes I know that

That's not what we're talking about,

Just do I really need the coyote mask?

*we are talking about this

[west kiln]

if youre not solo and someone else has it you wouldnt need it there i suppose, but solo its nice to have

but yeh its interchangable with grupos i suppose? foxes is neat with the dtooc but not crit helping for the obliterate juice

[sly pollen]

I'm all alone bro 🙂

[lethal trellis]

not for solo but would be huge in raid, Incursion, countdown, other stuff with DPS team

[sly pollen]

Another reason I do this is to make clearing checkpoints easier when playing alone.

I need shd level

a lot

[west kiln]

the grind

[sly pollen]

grind ? why

Did you mean torture or do you mean farming?

[west kiln]

oh i meant the absolute slog that is getting more shd levels HAHA

[sly pollen]

lol

I'm trying this but I'm having a hard time at the heroic level bro.

That's why I was searching for this set.

[west kiln]

cp3's are fine man cp4's are pain

[sly pollen]

It's painful but it's a lot of experience

[lethal trellis]

for XP grinding, EP build with challenging hostage rescue 5 directives is one of the way

[west kiln]

my case for taking coyotes is that you can just focus on building crit dmg in other armour attributes, since the buff will give you at least 10% usually unless youre a cqc maniac

whether its statistically more dmg overall than foxes' dtooc bonus? i dont know all the numbers to work that out

[sly pollen]

What does EP mean?

[west kiln]

eclipse protocol i think (another gearset)

[sly pollen]

is that a mission or set ?

aahh okey

[sly pollen]

Can you tell us about this ep? Do I need 6 for the set or should I make 4 and add different things?

[west kiln]

you'll never need 6 for a set dw LOL

there's a load of builds linked to this btw

[fallen comet]

you never need 6 for anything

[lethal trellis]

yeah, check kuro's mentioned, if you don't have vile mask, replace it with Golan (recal to yellow) or Electrique, the fire chem still able to burn down most of enemies in challenging difficulty

[sly pollen]

Finally, there is another issue that I still haven't decided on. Which one should I choose ? Elmo,Chamelon or oroboros @lethal trellis @west kiln

[fallen comet]

did you just say you cant choose between oreo and chamaleon

[west kiln]

HAB WAHAHWDH chameleon is doodoo

[lethal trellis]

elmo and ouroboros are meta in DPS, chameleon is a meh

[sly pollen]

Bro I don't know about guns

[west kiln]

nonono dont worry that wasnt laughing at you sorry HAHA

[sly pollen]

I guess I asked a funny question for people who have experience with the game. lol

[fallen comet]

nah im just screwing with ya

chamaleon is absolute trash, oreo is god tier

[west kiln]

the pit vs the peak

[sly pollen]

Apparently, another goal of ours has been determined. I need to find myself an oroboros

[fallen comet]

hit up #lfg-td2incursion-pc

get yourself an oreo

[sly pollen]

🫡

[round zinc]

I saw that and i will not stand for chameleon slander

[bronze hound]

I will

[round zinc]

Leg buff allows it to outpace almost every AR in sustain dps

[round zinc]

Shut up dev go fix the servers

[shy willow]

But why shoot the legs when you can shoot the head with an ouro

[round zinc]

Cuz i dont have oreo

[shy willow]

Huh why😭

[round zinc]

Rngesus not feeling like it for a while now

[bronze hound]

No

[icy rune]

I'm having so much trouble, and I apparently have terrible aim. I have nerve damage and only have one usable finger on my right hand. I usually use it to zoom in but it either get fatigued or constantly hits the right bumper, triggering a skill. I mostly play on Xbox and I have a one-handed gaming mouse, the Azeron Cyro, for PC. But, my PC profile hasn't even finished WONY. A turret/drone combo is easy for me to manage, but I can't run that in raids or the Incursion. I don't often have the reflexes to line up headshots or quick reactions to swap weapons. I do happen to use aim assist. I think I need more survivability to compensate, which means blue cores. I haven't tried healing in a group, but interests me as an alternative. Are there roles or niche builds I can assume in high endgame content that are less "twitchy"? I don't want to miss out on the Oreo and raid exotics.

[shy willow]

Healer might be for you

High tier skill based build

Although beware people will expect you to hammer targets with sledge and opportunistic

And to overcharge for them

[icy rune]

true

So Yellow build for Solo Heroic and FI for group stuff?

[shy willow]

If that's what works for you

Solo heroic is quite flexible but yellow builds will take a fair while to clear

On the plus side it's basically impossible to mess up

TP is shite solo and pretty much the same in group

[icy rune]

I have run TP. Unfortunately, Pestilence is NOT a great main for it.

[shy willow]

Pestilence isn't great for anything in honesty

[icy rune]

Aw, man. It looks cool at least.

[bronze hound]

Id still pick that over bullet king

[shy willow]

I'd pick backfire over bullet king

[bronze hound]

Lmao

[icy rune]

Does either raid require a shield tank role? That's doable for me.

[shy willow]

Iron horse partly

But most of the time you'll have to clear adds with dps

[bronze hound]

Only for iron horse and you need to understand all the mechanics pretty much to do it

At least all the mechanics on boss 3

[icy rune]

Ah. I'm running it this evening for the 1st time.

[bronze hound]

You'll want prior knowledge before attempting with tank

Otherwise it won't go well at all

[shy willow]

Listen to the leader and you'll be aight

Better to get put on adds for a bit to get used to what's going on

After that key tank shouldn't be too bad

[icy rune]

It's a new clan to me, but they seem knowledgeable.

[bronze hound]

You still need to be knowledgeable to run tank on boss 3

Because tank does like 90% of the mechanical stuff

[icy rune]

Oh, DPS obviously for now.

[shy willow]

Diag?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[shy willow]

Ahh

[bronze hound]

I swear it's like first nature for people to die up there on their first panel press

They don't listen to seven people screaming JUMP at them

[shy willow]

Forgot the hazards lol

[icy rune]

My friends tell me that I hold me controller weird, but it does the job, at least on Challenging.

[bronze hound]

There's no forgetting if you have seven people yelling at you

Enemies in raid are between heroic and legendary

[shy willow]

At that point idek what they doing

[bronze hound]

It's ridiculously common for first timers it's insane

Idk why so many people freeze up

[icy rune]

Wait, the mobs in the raid are THAT hard?

[bronze hound]

Yes?

It's not that hard tbh

Some of the ads are legendary difficulty iirc

[shy willow]

It's more intimidating than it is difficult

[bronze hound]

Specific boss 4 ads after first wave

[shy willow]

You have 7 people backing you up

[icy rune]

I will need my A-game. I raised my expertise on my Red build just in case.

[bronze hound]

Just pull your weight and yell at people who don't

Simple as that

[icy rune]

Just like Countdown!

[bronze hound]

No with countdown you kick people who scream in the mic

[gentle lichen]

Mute all button looking extra scrumptious

[icy rune]

Huh? I play the objective, while others do damage.

Its easy

[shy willow]

Some players are rather obnoxious though

[flint wave]

don't play obj I need my looot

[shy willow]

And fuck everyone who opens the chests that crash everyone's game

[flint wave]

how r u crashing

[bronze hound]

I don't crash from that

[shy willow]

Istg certain chests will crash people's games

[icy rune]

Oh!! That's when my game crashes! The loot boxes!

[gentle lichen]

It'll always get opened. What's funny is that some people will wait for others to open it hoping only the one who opens crash

[shy willow]

Because it doesn't happen anywhere or anytime else

[bronze hound]

Y'all crash from that still?

[icy rune]

I do at least.

[shy willow]

Indeed

[bronze hound]

Weird

Maybe it's an Xbox thing? Idk

[flint wave]

I'm on xbox

[gentle lichen]

When's the last time i did countdown? A month or so ago so I'm not too sure

[shy willow]

Idk about PC but at least on Xbox there's still that never ending load screen that bugs sometimes when loading up CD

[bronze hound]

Mine was last night

[bronze hound]

It's not never ending

[icy rune]

Yep

[bronze hound]

It's just long but not neverending

Wait it out trust me lol

[shy willow]

It ends?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[flint wave]

me when I load into the game when everyone's extracting

[bronze hound]

It's not longer than 90 seconds

[gentle lichen]

Not opening the big box in countdown reminds me of that man who gave up digging right before the diamonds

[flint wave]

I only need the shd calib

[icy rune]

Thanks, y'all. Time to farm another build! Future Initiative, here I come!

[shy willow]

I had that happen once

[flint wave]

I didn't

that was a hyperbole

[shy willow]

It genuinely happened

[flint wave]

how could u wait that long

[shy willow]

It put me straight into the end of one

[flint wave]

countdown backfilling real?

[shy willow]

Apparently

[astral kraken]

wait what... really?

does it feel like a bug or intended?

[shy willow]

It's the only occasion it's ever happened for me

[bronze hound]

why did it even give you dog tags 🤣

[tawdry flare]

Lmao need to fix it ASAP

[shy willow]

[runic sphinx]

What's the best build for countering st elmos and shocker punch

[flint wave]

shocker punch

[runic sphinx]

oh i doint have it 😦

[shy willow]

Get to target loot farming holsters

[runic sphinx]

Will have to see how lucky I am

[rich lotus]

Haz Pro + Ouro?

[slate wedge]

hazpro build

[runic sphinx]

Did try that but I still got out damaged in a face tank

Ill try setup the shocker punch build

[stark trout]

I saw a teammate leave these electric things on the ground. Is that a skill effect ?

[dreamy valve]

Best counter is DZ turrets

[bronze hound]

Shock trap

[patent fossil]

It's the shock trap you get from Kajika during the WONY storyline

[stark trout]

ah ok. thanks

[bronze hound]

You should have it unlocked if you check your inventory

[stark trout]

yep. I have those. Never tried them yet 😄

[west kiln]

now to roll this on an airaldi bag please !!

[bronze hound]

Damn

[flint wave]

dw about it

[west kiln]

i recal'd the talent to vigilance

but this dropped 3 max it was kinda nuts

[bronze hound]

Lol

[rich lotus]

Congrats!

[stark trout]

Does weapon damage% also include critical damage?

[patent fossil]

nope (you can easily check for yourself by adding/removing a crit damage mod while looking at the stats)

[stark trout]

ah ok thanks

[blissful rampart]

weapon % damage and crit damage are 2 different stats

[fair ridge]

oh hey again, any exotic weapons I should be looking to use with striker?

[hazy steeple]

St Elmo's Engine (Assault Rifle) is a good choice for primary, for the other main slot you kinda need an acs-12 so there's not a lot of wiggle room there.

[hexed steppe]

recently made a couple striker builds with elmo/lefty... i pretty much never use lefty other then occasional debuff. ended up putting in an m1a instead on a variant i been using

still prefer nego or highend tho 💯

[astral kraken]

Only if using the chest

You don't need an ACS if you using a highend chest

Really any high RPM AR will do

[grave basin]

Is this a decent holster?

Dropped with all stats rolled max

[magic pilot]

No

[rich lotus]

For what it is, yeah. I mean, at least it allows you to max out Skill Haste in your recal library.
In the greater context of helping you actually do anything meaningful in the game, nope. Not worth keeping really

[tawdry flare]

Good for recalibration library

[grave basin]

I wanna do a status effect build in dz just to piss people off that don't run haz pro. What gear would I need?

[cunning turret]

This is a decent holster if you want to run a 100% Hazpro build with 3 Uzina, 2 Ceska and 1 Yaal, just replace the skill haste to CDC or CHD. Could be 2-4 blue cores, depending on your play style.

[sullen sun]

Does Obliterate work well in DZ?

Also how can I optimize this?

[bronze hound]

3 empress + sacrifice + 1 wyvern + vile

[tawdry flare]

5pcs 5.11 skill build

With ninja bike so you don't waste exotic slot and keep the 6 pcs bonus

[grave basin]

Bringing back classified set bonuses to div 2 I see

[bronze hound]

Gearsets used to be 6pc

[grave basin]

I wasn't around for y1 sadly

[spare gull]

What's best damage vs named on range? Like.. high numbers average

[onyx sage]

named doesn't take more damage than other veterancies

[spare gull]

I'm looking for a comparison to see how I'm holding up. Average best for me on 5 chain kills is 25 mill.

[onyx sage]

don't use the dps tracker in the range for that. if you can get a crit and non-crit from the range, you can plug those into the quick dps calc sheet pinned in this channel

[spare gull]

Trying to see what it maxes at, or what to aim for

[onyx sage]

the dps tracker in range is notoriously bugged

[spare gull]

That sucks. Lol

Pin calculator? Ooh. Brb

[onyx sage]

it's the quick dps calc sheet

takes a few numbers you can get yourself as data and gives you a dps number that you can use

[spare gull]

Awesome! Didn't even know such a sheet was out there. Thanks binoculars

[gentle lichen]

I can rest easy now

[shy willow]

Such a beautiful sight

[stark trout]

how do u go up to 202% CHD? When i go to 60 CHC, i only get upto 80CHD