td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

The most efficient

[gentle lichen]

Ongoing directive for pistolero can be good too

[flint wave]

Is it a surprise that enemies that have shitloads of health are naturally killed by a thing that benefits off of high health enemies?

[shy willow]

And that's at one role

[rich lotus]

Pure efficiency is not always fun friend.

[shy willow]

There's healers and tanks for ppl who want to mix it up

Skill builds too

[round zinc]

Thats subjective

[flint wave]

I wonder if striker would change if it always lost 2 stacks a second like heartbreaker between 0-100 stacks

[gentle lichen]

gearset so good they brought it back from div 1. Of course it's meta

[rich lotus]

That's EXACTLY my point chairs.

[flint wave]

Heartbreaker ALWAYS losing 2 bothered me

[round zinc]

Like you cant just get mad at people telling you to not use ninjabag,its the only bad thing in the build

[shy willow]

As long as it doesn't lose stacks from missing like it did it'll always be broken

[tawdry flare]

I want nomad

[round zinc]

You know what you CAN do tho?
Just use it

[tulip charm]

Bring back lonestar and alpha

[round zinc]

I did say you can push chc to 50-60%

[tawdry flare]

Lonestar yes

[shy willow]

D3

[tawdry flare]

Weak Foundry

[round zinc]

Ong we need this so much

[sullen sun]

Do you guys think D3 will be a mess when it releases? Game mechanics wise or have they learned from both games thus far?

[shy willow]

Ouroboros with bulwark

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that Striker was actually buffed post-addition to div2.
So it's stronger than it used to be.

[tawdry flare]

End of striker elmos

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[flint wave]

yeah but since you only lose 1 stack between 0-50 those 50 stacks might as well be free

[round zinc]

Honestly i dont mind losing stacks if i miss my shots with striker now

[hazy steeple]

I think we have at least 5 years to wait to see.

[round zinc]

Old striker was not rewarding enough

[tulip charm]

ACTUALLY why did they remove that penalty

[rich lotus]

Not mad, frustrated definitely but I'm not mad-bro'ing over here lol. I just think it's really silly that the community has such an efficiency erection for DPS that when people don't favor DPS over what ninja offers in return it doesn't matter what their reasons for those choices are - it breaks down into no more advice being given to get the most out of that choice and just turns into a "you did bad by choosing ninja we're only going to provide advice for non ninja builds cuz you dumb bro" and that's just ludicrous.

[round zinc]

Overbuffing it

[shy willow]

No longer a gamble

[tulip charm]

Wait

[shy willow]

Cuz memento does it better

[gentle lichen]

Bloodsucker man

[flint wave]

Ninjabike is also worse for things not related to "pure dps" that's the issue

it's just always worse

[rich lotus]

I'll hit you with what chairs said. That's subjective.

[sullen sun]

Has anyone used that new grenade exotic chest?

[round zinc]

I mean
People will always try to give helpful advices and unfortunately the most helpful one is “remove ninjabag”
Its not a meta or not thing,its just a fact thing.Sucks but its just what it is

[shy willow]

Name one thing ninjabike does better than other bags

[gentle lichen]

Busted in pvp cqb. End of story

[round zinc]

Its doing some funky shit rn

[sullen sun]

I’ve heard this

[round zinc]

20 mil damage nade

[flint wave]

Memento being better then ninjabike for "aggressive play" is definitely not subjective

These brandset bonuses aren't good enough

[tulip charm]

Firewall collector right?

[round zinc]

I have no idea if its even working as intended

[tulip charm]

Kinda goofy that it does that kinda of number

[round zinc]

But its the only way to use grenades the way its intended:to kill

[rich lotus]

"Aggressive" does not always equal being in close proximity to enemies but I get it. I don't want to use conditional buffs though. It's literally that simple. Conditional buffs are NOT FUN... for me. It's why a lot of us gravitate towards ninja despite the severe costs.

[sullen sun]

Maybe it’s time for ol Uncle Midas to hop on the grenade 🚂

[shy willow]

You just kill shit and pick up a trophy

[flint wave]

after first encounter the memento perm buff is not conditional

[round zinc]

Also my favorite thing in this game is perfect mad bomber with flashbang

[gentle lichen]

I personally don't get the "versatility" in ninjabike. What is it?

[rich lotus]

It is still a condition. It's already enough of a chore to pick up all the loot that drops I don't want to collect trophies too.

[hazy steeple]

Wait, you picked Ninja over Memento because you want more consistency, but using Ninja removes the backpack brandset damage talent, aka; one of the strongest damage sources ingame.

[flint wave]

Free 3% regen 30% weapon damage and some skill efficiency

[shy willow]

Vigi then

Free damage

[rich lotus]

By sacrificing a talent slot for more brand bonuses for less item slot requirements. It's really most useful to people like me who kinda hate 99% of the backpack talents.

[flint wave]

bloodsucker tho

[gentle lichen]

Brand bonuses being?

[shy willow]

Bloodsucker and vigi just in the corner

[rich lotus]

I've literally said why I won't use vigi at least 2 times tonight including while you've been here.

[shy willow]

It doesn't make sense why not though

[flint wave]

rip white square

[round zinc]

Get flashbanged

[shy willow]

If you're using a crusader it'll almost never go down

[rich lotus]

Because taking damage removes the buff

[gentle lichen]

I recommended it a sec ago it's only condition is kill lmao AND it refreshes

[flint wave]

for what the guys going for I understand not going vigi

But bloodsucker is right there

[sullen sun]

Is there a pinned build for this collector?

[hazy steeple]

What brandsets bonuses are you gaining by using Ninja in this build of yours?

[shy willow]

It doesn't lose proc if you have bonus armour or a shield

Also bloodsucker

[tulip charm]

Not yet

[gentle lichen]

Pvp?

[tulip charm]

Wait whats going on with collector in pvp?

[gentle lichen]

Contractor's+2pc grupo+1pc china light and picaro's all blue crits on the build

[tulip charm]

Is it one shotting?

[rich lotus]

10% crit, 1% armor regen, 10% armor on kill (for 20% with gunner) and 15% headshot damage vs what was suggested to me which would give me a choice between two different coniditional weapon damage bonuses of 25% and 10% crit.

[gentle lichen]

If at least 4 clusters are on you no matter how much armor you have you WILL get downed

[sullen sun]

Out here doing the Lords work

[rich lotus]

Not to mention I get an armor and skill core I wouldn't otherwise have which slightly increases the effectiveness of my banshee pulse and shield (though the shield is really there if I want to move under fire)

[flint wave]

Vigilance Is total weapon damage meaning its a separate multiplier to all your damage meaning you get more damage

[gentle lichen]

And it gets worse when players are next to you which is literally what dz south stairs is. Pure cancer there

[flint wave]

mortar turret at home:

[shy willow]

Bloodsucker is bonus armour on kill lol

[hazy steeple]

Memento also gives you one of each core.

[rich lotus]

Are you sure about that?

[flint wave]

bloodsucker goes up to 100% bonus armor on kill

[gentle lichen]

You can have both by using ceska

[hazy steeple]

Vigilance: Increases total weapon damage by 25%. Taking damage disables this buff for 4s (3s).

[flint wave]

yes that's just how damage is calculated

[rich lotus]

But it doesn't give you brand bonuses and I was literally being told I needed more crit in my build which memento would not have resolved - and instead would have actually cost me more crit overall.

[flint wave]

total weapon damage is different from weapon damage

vigilance would probably suck if you removed "total" from its wording

[shy willow]

The people in here have extensive knowledge

[hazy steeple]

It's a good thing to ask for proof, nothing wrong with it.

[rich lotus]

The game does not list it as "TOTAL weapon damage" it lists it in game as "Weapon damage" which is not a multiplier but a direct increase to the weapon damage stat which is then multiplied? I don't see anything on the stat sheet for a "total weapon damage" multiplier.

[gentle lichen]

You only gain crit on your build from prov right? Replace with ceska then

[rich lotus]

Ceska + Ninja is worse than Prov+Ninja because I'm not making a hazpro build and providence gives 15% headshot.

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus Here ya go, Vigilance.

[tulip charm]

Still deadset on Ninja huh

[gentle lichen]

Not talking about when using ninja. When using memento

Or any bag

[hazy steeple]

What gun are you using with this build?

[flint wave]

ceska is for when you don't use ninja

[shy willow]

Lmg

[flint wave]

DARE

[round zinc]

2 GR9,one is Dare

[hazy steeple]

Okay I must've read that wrong.

2 gr9's?

[tulip charm]

Basically

[shy willow]

You read correctly

[hazy steeple]

Did uh, did someone make a joke video on youtube or something?

[flint wave]

placeholder weapon

[hazy steeple]

Ninja, 2 of the same gun. It fits.

[round zinc]

GGRR18

[flint wave]

[gentle lichen]

2G2R18

[flint wave]

switching weapons is faster then reloading

[round zinc]

18GRGR

[shy willow]

G²R²81

[slate nest]

gun go grrrrr

[sullen sun]

I heard ninja will be a talent in D3

[tulip charm]

Says who

[flint wave]

grgr18

[hazy steeple]

Tediore guns added to div2, TiL

[sullen sun]

Says me 😝

[tulip charm]

Ah yes

[sullen sun]

I’ve written pages 📃

Letters to the editors

[shy willow]

Now I want one of those exploding ones on reload

[round zinc]

Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9 Gr9

[sullen sun]

Imagine melee builds in D3

[flint wave]

hunter roleplay

[gentle lichen]

Might we discuss this and proceed to make a better one?

[slate nest]

is this tux?

[gentle lichen]

How observant

[elfin otter]

I wish to be your SHD level one day

[sullen sun]

I don’t see a melee anywhere 🥸

[tulip charm]

Oreo carrying the build

[gentle lichen]

NOT ME

[flint wave]

bloodsucker intimidate 4th hf piece

[elfin otter]

*that

[gentle lichen]

This posted by @magic pilot is much better i'd say

[tulip charm]

This basically

[gentle lichen]

Less cores if need be or obliterate

[hazy steeple]

Sub-optimal doesn't really come into it. That build is a straight up mess.
that one by chameleon is just the meta setup, with an odd secondary but that doesn't super matter.

[flint wave]

me when I pick up a memento trophy 0.02s late and lose 40% total weapon damage:🪦🪦

[tulip charm]

Imma assume its for expertise

[hazy steeple]

HF on everything but bp+chest, then memento+ceska, replace memento with other brandset if need be.
get your chc to near 60, chd over 100. You'll be fine.
firewall works great, if not, uh whatever really.

[shy willow]

Do the trophies refresh

[round zinc]

https://youtu.be/l5sRAsR8cDo?si=6pv0fJOEevJl4vQy

[sullen sun]

@magic pilot thx for help with that build earlier those tips are solid

[flint wave]

I think it's separate because I notice the armor decays before it all goes away

[rich lotus]

Why I don't want to rely on memento. lol

[flint wave]

I solve this by not running intimidate

Then it's not a problem

[gentle lichen]

10% TWD trade-off NOT optimal anymore

[shy willow]

Memento long term buffs last 5 minutes lol

[flint wave]

:(

[round zinc]

This has the same vibe as finding your minecraft dropped loot only for it to despawn the moment you approach it

[rich lotus]

Seems like this TWD stat is the problem.

[sullen sun]

Serious?

[flint wave]

yes

[sullen sun]

What am I doing w my life

[rich lotus]

5 minutes and 30 kills for full potential.

[flint wave]

it's so awesome

[sullen sun]

So what’s the optimal PvP build placement?

[rich lotus]

Question on memento trophies... is it only YOUR killing blows that generate trophies or do ALL kills generate trophies?

[shy willow]

You get short term buffs too fam

[flint wave]

even killing a turret counts toward it

if you get drones on summit that's full memento stacks

[shy willow]

Yours only which is why it's recommended for solo

[rich lotus]

Gotcha, which makes memento almost completely useless for me.

Things that my team can reduce my effectiveness = dumb.

[shy willow]

Bloodsucker

[sullen sun]

Is it regarded highly in PvP?

[flint wave]

bloodsucker also reliant on kills

[rich lotus]

I already have bonus armor from heartbreaker I don't need more.

[gentle lichen]

Team can draw aggro away from you meaning vigi will be prevalent more

[sullen sun]

I’ve seen builds w it

[flint wave]

Aok also reliant on kills

Sad days

[gentle lichen]

Memento? Yeah i'd say that

[rich lotus]

TBH I find I draw more aggro than most teams I'm in.

[gentle lichen]

Having a few trophies around you when you fight can ensure victory

[gentle lichen]

Bloodsucker then for that juicy bonus armor to swallow the bullets for your teammates

[sullen sun]

[shy willow]

Wb Lavoisier

[rich lotus]

But again I refer back to having enough bonus armor from heartbreaker. More bonus armor is counter productive.

[sullen sun]

So optimal mom build would look like?

[flint wave]

support build vibe

[round zinc]

I know what i have to say but i dont know if i have the strength to do it @flint wave

[gentle lichen]

Then have the bag lol

[flint wave]

Infinite patience

and an open mind

[sullen sun]

Why is this?

[flint wave]

mom build

[sullen sun]

Get outta my face lol

[rich lotus]

I'll lend you some by giving you my consent. Say it.

[sullen sun]

It

[round zinc]

Things that reduce your effectiveness:ninjabag

[flint wave]

dead

[rich lotus]

Ah lazy.

Or rather, low hanging fruit but kek.

[sullen sun]

Death at first site

[flint wave]

aok doesn't work on drones but memento and bloodsucker do

[shy willow]

Not wanting to grab memento trophies:

[rich lotus]

Touche.

[hazy steeple]

Just a reminder that gifs don't work, they don't embed and most links just flat-out won't work.

[flint wave]

me if memento trophies if they made you solve a rubix cube

[rich lotus]

Noticed that with the prompt it gave me lol.

[sullen sun]

Looks very Mommish

[hazy steeple]

Oh it's not just you. Every day at least 3 people try.

[flint wave]

if gearsets didn't exist:

[rich lotus]

I'm curious how people would feel about ninjabike if TWD simply didn't exist.

Seems like that simply existing means you pretty much have to use it wherever you can.

[shy willow]

See: div 1

[rich lotus]

See: I don't have it.

[shy willow]

Ninjabike was much more popular in the division because of the way gear worked

[gentle lichen]

Too much crit loss with HF

[flint wave]

how

[rich lotus]

Ah so would it be a fair assessment then that ninja-bike has some built-in hate from the community for being worse than it was in the previous game?

[flint wave]

your running ouro

[shy willow]

It's exactly the same

[gentle lichen]

Still gonna lost crit damage by having to use 2 chc mods to balance the chc to chd ratio

[shy willow]

Power creep

[gentle lichen]

Also gonna lose crits from grupo or sokolov

Too much of a sacrifice for 20% more damage to close targets

[rich lotus]

Ceska + Vigilance https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwNgtATGAMYIyRk2LlpQLgByIMz0QgVRPWQwFZ8pYEo4IazSSNgE5gwvjm-XgFRLX6jMwakl4sxMDBArghcaPRA5GYClHXN5FIUNy1dm7WCzgWGGbfIgbs6BgCc8HleZA

Ninja https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwJgtODMYIy2AGRympehAuArN9cDI1iIMUdpwk5wYQqyTjMixph4nHHNg8G4XIRl6Vkg7sNSYQ2AGxg8MBLTkAOCOGzh1PWXjysYu+ovBqFTTFMmY51yeQCcsDsclA

The Ceska + Vigilance will do a bunch more damage but the ninja build feels way more balanced and doesn't lose a huge chunk of its damage output simply because I take fire (which the idea of irks me beyond all). Ideas for improving either build would be fine but I would wager this community will be more interested in helping improve the non-ninja build. I'd like to minmax both varients and then compare and contrast.

[shy willow]

Swap dare for an M4/C7/FAMAS with flat line then switch to technician

[flint wave]

what damage bonus is ninja actually offering tho

I just see it giving 15% hsd

[rich lotus]

I'm using an LMG.

[flint wave]

Dare can't use the linked laser pointer which makes it really sad for hearrbreaker builds

[rich lotus]

Heartbreaker can apply pulse with headshots and I have a banshee pulse.

[flint wave]

Encounters warhound:

[shy willow]

Some targets don't have heads

And consistently headshotting at range with an LMG isnt realistic

[flint wave]

you get heartbreaker bonuses before you even shoot an enemy vs getting headshots

[rich lotus]

Constant 100% headshots? No kidding. But I've been using an LMG for almost a week now and headshots aren't a problem.

[shy willow]

If you're deadset on ninja then swap your guns cuz the damage isn't particularly good

[flint wave]

your probably losing damage for going for the head. Depending on range

[rich lotus]

Truthfully the Dare is on there just for comparison. I'm much more likely to use the GR9 without flatline as it is in the second slot to take advantage of the endless magazine from Steady Handed because it eliminates the need to reload entirely which is better than the 20% amp in my experience.

[rich lotus]

Upper torso shots with GR9 land a significant amount of headshots that applying pulse wouldn't be an issue.

[flint wave]

It will be an issue on enemies that don't have heads

[rich lotus]

Well you may have missed it but way at the beginning of all this I said I don't care about them. I'm more concerned about being able to sweep the rest of the enemies.

and I've killed enough headless enemies with the GR9 with a vastly inferior build to what I'm looking at running there to know it's going to be more than enough.

[flint wave]

I mean you're going to encounter minitanks, warhounds, the turret family whether u like it or not

Even jn open world, it's just reeking of black tusk

annoyingly

[rich lotus]

Cool. But I'd rather have armor on kill than be shoe-horned into technician and weapons that have the mount for the laser pointer.

At that point I might as well get mega boring and go kingbreaker technician snorefest.

Can't stand that gun.

[flint wave]

can't stand it either

[shy willow]

King breaker isn't great

[flint wave]

That's why there's police m4 and carbine

[rich lotus]

No it's garbage. It's cone is awful.

[shy willow]

Use a carbine or M4 then

[flint wave]

that handling makes me sad

And fire rate is not stacking friendly

[hazy steeple]

Kingbreaker is designed almost exclusively for HB builds, which is no shock.

[rich lotus]

Kind of defeats the purpose of building for an LMG to then use something other than an LMG when I'm specifically trying to harness the benefit of an endless pool of ammo and higher time on target with rounds firing down range. There is a HUGE overall damage output advantage. I find that I spend way more time reloading than shooting targets and at my attention level and ability to switch targets the endless magazine is way more useful.

[gentle lichen]

It's honestly good whenever tech spec is on the table with the build

[flint wave]

I'd swap to strikers if I was building for lmg

[shy willow]

You see the issue is the longer you spend out of cover shooting them is more time for them to shoot you

That's generally why you want quick kills

[flint wave]

it even has a 200 stack mechanic. Friendly for things that don't reload

[rich lotus]

I'm already using strikers with the LMG and it works great but I want the bonus armor buffer of heartbreaker to allow my armor on kill to actually be useful for replenishment.

[flint wave]

I wonder if preservation would be good

it's like armor on kill but delayed

[rich lotus]

It is amazing yes.

[hazy steeple]

I mean, it's alright, but "good" is a stretch.

[rich lotus]

With 20% AOK + Preservation + HEadshot kill that's 40% armor regen and I plan to have a backup rifle with my LMG with preservation on it.

[velvet wadi]

just wondering were can i farm furry gloves/knee pads as i need 1 more peice to activeate the 3 set

[flint wave]

the furry apparel event ended a week or something ago

[velvet wadi]

damn

[gentle lichen]

If you can tame the handling it'll serve you well

[hazy steeple]

The issue isn't the handling, it's the lack of fire-rate and overall just kinda "bleh" of it.

[shy willow]

If you can tame the handling you'll come to find it has no range

[hazy steeple]

Well, it has 31m.

[gentle lichen]

I agree stacking with it isn't that good but using it on spotter/flatline is good

[flint wave]

it's definitely a spotter build gun

[gentle lichen]

I use it with unbreakable for pvp build and it still does mad damage

[hazy steeple]

I've never had a particular problem with maintaining close-medium range accuracy on guns, I'm guessing it's a console vs pc thing.

[gentle lichen]

Spotter makes it all the more powerful

[gentle lichen]

So long as I'm hitting torso I'm not missing my shots

[flint wave]

strong times(st elmos engine) make weak people

[hazy steeple]

My Elmo is still at Prof 2, so that ain't it.

I just don't care that much for m4's.

[shy willow]

Once I tasted the c7 I gave up on police m4

It just feels nicer idk

[flint wave]

c7 has better sound

[terse oriole]

what should i do with my current striker (i only run this for CDs)

[gentle lichen]

C7 is regarded as the alternative to kingbreaker when flatline

[gentle lichen]

Chest with obliterate

[flint wave]

a ceska piece or coyotes mask for crit help

[terse oriole]

roger

[flint wave]

striker chest if actually using for cd

[hazy steeple]

swap one of the high-end pieces to ceska as well. That crit chance is important.

[terse oriole]

okay, ive been opening exo crates but 0 luck. ill grind harder

[flint wave]

You'll be fine with grupo ceska

[hazy steeple]

you can easily drop Fox's Prayer knees. They're good, but on Strikers you need the crit more.

[flint wave]

coyotes mask is mostly for group

[gentle lichen]

9/10 someone is using it in cd

[flint wave]

that's lucky

The builds have not been the best for me lately

[hazy steeple]

Outside of that it's pretty much solid all-round.
Let us know what the chc/chd is when the ceska is on there.

[terse oriole]

my current striker is 30% CC and 160% CD should i trade CD for CC?

[gentle lichen]

Very

Until 50% or more

Caps at 60%

[terse oriole]

okay ill do that

[flint wave]

you'll have 46% after ceska and no foxes prayer
(Assuminf that had a crit damage attribute) so it should be easy to sneak some crit chance in there

[deep pendant]

i think the BoO shop is selling CC mods atm

[gentle lichen]

Yeah you can try to also look for any godrolled attributes you don't have on your library to buy and put them there

[terse oriole]

Im set for life on mods im tryna get exotics & armor pieces 😹😹 it's been hard for me

[deep pendant]

Coutndown is your friend

it seems that in addition to targeted loot, the hunters at the end just drop tons of named pieces as well

[flint wave]

and the stupid vendor system

not all loot sources are created equal

[velvet wadi]

So just windering whats a good Crit mask to replace coatye?

[gentle lichen]

Either grupo or ceska when not used prior to removing coyote's

[crimson niche]

If I made some change this can be a good build?
P.s. i dont wanna find some blue core
(Is for darkzone build)

[gentle lichen]

You can use this

[flint wave]

where is this screenshot

[gentle lichen]

Right after killing somebody on extraction when they thought they could shock me

[flint wave]

nice kneepads

[gentle lichen]

Dz west eastern extraction to be exact

[flint wave]

I also don't have foxes prayer

[gentle lichen]

Blasphemy

[crimson niche]

Hazard protection?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah on bag and glove

90% shock resist

[crimson niche]

50 (for exotic ) + 10 ( for attribute) + 10 for the base + 20 = 90?

Okay i have already 90% hazatd protection
Btw is matador the bag?

[gentle lichen]

Yes

[crimson niche]

Okay
If dont have matador i can use another backbag right?

[gentle lichen]

You can use a double crit matador but use a sokolov mask with chd and hazpro

[crimson niche]

Okay

[terse oriole]

It's 48% CC with 160% CD now

An 18% increase is crazy ive been seeing so many oranges haha

Still no Coyotes tho

[flint wave]

oranges?

[terse oriole]

Crits

[flint wave]

lmao

[gentle lichen]

Nice

[terse oriole]

I miss my console builds

[gentle lichen]

What was your platform?

[terse oriole]

Playstation, i was Praskal-Net, i used to carry people through Summits with a Memento & Scorpio tank build

[gentle lichen]

Shepherding?

[terse oriole]

I have never tried gearsets so I'm playing on my pc now trying out metas, so far True Patriot, Heartbreaker, and Striker builds have been carrying me

[terse oriole]

Yeah but i don't do raids bcs I've never really learned for the encounters lol

[fallen comet]

whats a decent exuro build for low difficulty levels

[deep pendant]

I was using Vile mask and Capactior AR with it

[fallen comet]

what was the 6th piece?

[deep pendant]

a status effect brand set

cant recall the name

[fallen comet]

electrique?

[thick wren]

Can some1 tell me about status effect build, what should i use as my gearsets to create it to be good

[fallen comet]

eclipse

[deep pendant]

Eclipse yes

Exuro is fun, but after a while it felt like a poor mans Eclipse

[tawdry flare]

If only exuro has spread on kill

And more oomph

[fallen comet]

i completely agree but i still wanna make one

[deep pendant]

yeah i was the same, i basically jusr swapped the Eclipse pieces for Exuro

[fallen comet]

the chest sucks though

[deep pendant]

yeah i didnt have anything really better, havent farmed for high ends yet

[rich lotus]

Mechanical question for shield builds - if using the TDI Kard Custom as your pistol and but not having it currently active when hitting the shield button - does the pistol get equipped before the shield thus applying the skill tier to the shield - or does the skill tier from it come into play the moment the pistol is out regardless if the shield is already up or not?

[tawdry flare]

Honestly status = Eclipse else you are doing it wrong

[tawdry flare]

Nope TDI gives skill tier only when in use

Except for some deployable skills like

Hives

[rich lotus]

Yes I realize that my question is - for example if I don't have the custom in my hand when I hit Q for my shield, does the act of the bulwark forcing my pistol into hand as part of pulling it up apply the skill tier to the shield or in that scenario do I have to drop the shield and bring it back up for it to get the stat from the pistols bonus tier?

An alternate way to ask the question would be if I'm using the smaller shield with a primary rifle and switch from it to the pistol without dropping the shield if the TDI Customs bonus skill tier would immediately apply or would I have to drop the shield.

[tawdry flare]

Nope it doesn't matter if the skill is deployed or not skill tier is applied regardless

As long you are holding the shield

[rich lotus]

How does that work with shields? Does it just magically add the HP to the pool?

[tawdry flare]

Nope it just increases the bar length so you have the same health

Just that it will regenerate faster and has higher cap

[rich lotus]

and I guess more importantly if I put the pistol away with a damaged shield does it take the HP reduction from the skill tier on the pistol be lost from the already depleted HP or the available hp?

Gotcha you answered as I was typing lol

Thank you

[tawdry flare]

Nope the current health doesn't changes only the cap and bonus affected by the tier changes

As a quick trick you can swap to pistol to regenerate more health/s

And than put it away in short time

[rich lotus]

Here's a slightly deeper question then - if it only affects the cap and bonus and your shield is undamaged... when you put the TDI in hand and suddenly have the extra skill tier does the shield then have to regenerate the new HP cap?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

Hm.

[tawdry flare]

You can just try it in range

Use shield swap to kard

[rich lotus]

I believe you. I don't have a TDI custom it's on my wishlist - or was.

[tawdry flare]

Than ser the bar health

[tawdry flare]

It appears on countdown vendor from time to time

[rich lotus]

Yeah I'm keeping an eye out as I want one very badly.

[tawdry flare]

It is one of the best weapon if you are not using regulus

[rich lotus]

The base pistol is actually my favorite handgun.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah Kard .45 iirc

[rich lotus]

yup

Only natural I'd want the custom with the skill tier lol

Worst part is I think I accidentally decon'd one.

[tawdry flare]

It is one of those must have pcs

[tawdry flare]

I can understand your pain I have farmed like hell in my game times I have collected many 🦄 and deconstructed a few

[rich lotus]

Can it drop in countdown?

[tawdry flare]

Nope but you can buy named caches from countdown credit they have a Chan to drop it

[rich lotus]

Nice ok cool

Eventually weapon wise I really want the Ravenous and I really hope it's as good as it looks on paper because I really like rifle gameplay.

[fallen comet]

hehe

nope

[rich lotus]

Not good? lol What makes it bad?

[fallen comet]

pretty much everything about it

it has niche uses in raids but thats it

[rich lotus]

I would likely never use it, but I really want a Ravenous and am going to learn the raid just to get it

[astral kraken]

The ravenous relies on shoulder switching to build stacks. You can't shoulder switch with a shield out. So you have to be out of cover to stack. That's problem #1.

The buffs only last for 5 seconds so you while you have to be out of cover you also have to continuously do so or you lose your buffs. That's problem #2.

It doesn't actually do a lot of damage on it own. It has half the damage of a Classic M1A and rifles are already pretty bad in this game. That's problem #3.

It's big damage potential (3+ million per shot) comes from stacking amplified damage to armor plates. There aren't many enemies that have armor plates (different from the armor bar). That's problem #4.

It's used in the Dark Hours raid to shoot a big armor plated Razorback and to shoot bosses of legendary zoo who have hundreds of millions of armor plated HP.

[rich lotus]

It seems like one of those situations where it's a drop to make the thing easier that you're getting the drop from. Like back in the day, when you could get armour drops from certain Destiny 1 and 2 raids that had stat buffs specific to the place you got it

[astral kraken]

There's a one shot trick with the Ravenous that involves tagging enemies with Negotiator's Dilemma, building armor plate amplified stacks, switching to a D50, and shooting an armor plate to kill everything. Raucey shows how to do it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHjmG4hdD_Q

[rich lotus]

I swear if someone removes that comment, they're getting a Peoples Elbow from me

[astral kraken]

It's a good secondary to have if your primary is an AR that you use for everything. Dogs go down fast.

[rich lotus]

Twin with Fast Hands FAMAS then? Excellent damage with low range, swap to Ravenous, cover much greater distance

[astral kraken]

I bet it'd be dope for quadcopters on Roosevelt but I haven't tried it yet.

Or like the dog wave on Roosevelt.

[rich lotus]

Thank you very much for the detail. Also recognize you from the simpit discord (and maybe Elite?) so o7

How does one tell something has armor plates if they don't already know? And now I'm wondering how armor plates and white armor bars interact with each other.

Like do armor plates act as damage reducers to the white bars that have their own HP or?

[dire halo]

Have an idea for a pvp/pve build, does clutch work if you have active bonus armor?

[astral kraken]

o7! As far as I know (and I might be wrong) there's no way to tell what the health of an armor plate is. You know something is armor plated if you see the shield icon when you shoot it.

I don't think it acts as a damage reducer - it's simply a separate HP pool that is affected by "damage to health" not "damage to armor".

Worth noting that if you use negotiator's dilemma and tag an armor plated enemy, the damage transfer will bypass armor plating and go straight for the enemy's health.

[rich lotus]

Very interesting information thank you!

Another day, another reason to pull my finger out and set up a Nego build

[bright raptor]

If someone pulses them, tanks have their armor plates gradually turn red as they come close to breaking. Haven't seen anything similar for Warhounds or other enemies with breakable helmets

[flint wave]

binoculars

[tawdry flare]

Nego is busted in many use cases it is just take a bit of used to for Target priority

[vestal ibex]

Also it can damage immune targets....

[rich lotus]

binoculars

[tawdry flare]

That too lol

[flint wave]

summit revive drone begone

[rich lotus]

I get the feeling it needs a lot of experience and forward planning, moreso than other builds. I don't think I'd use it outside of a team where we're communicating and specific stuff needs to take priority

[tawdry flare]

Not really it just needs multiple targets to get its full potential

[rich lotus]

So I just shoot a bunch of different things a few times, and keep rotating? And it applies blanket buffs to everyones' damage?

[tawdry flare]

The trick is mark red purple dump into elite

Use lower HP NPC to get marks dump into heavies

[vestal ibex]

It's a solo thing. Only works for you.

[tawdry flare]

That is why dogs are the best

[rich lotus]

Dogs are the best anyway, chief

[flint wave]

Teammates killing negotiator marks gives you progress to the 20% chd buff of negotiator for some reason

[tawdry flare]

You can mark red and purple or elite and the armour plating is such a sponge you can kill 2 legendary elite

[rich lotus]

Thanks ❤️

[tawdry flare]

The buff says marked enemies death doesn't specify who kills the marked enemies

[rich lotus]

I am thoroughly confused then. I was getting Nego damage buffs when I was sniping and having a friend set up for me. The icon was showing up on the armour bar and everything

Was normally getting around 81m at that moment with the Nemesis build I was using at that specific time on that specific difficulty, but I was going into nine figures

[vestal ibex]

Eh I don't know what you are even talking about. Elaborate of what buff nego gives a team? 81 mil needs sledge and like another small amp with nem.

[patent fossil]

You can see teammates nego marks but critting them doesn't transfer damage to other marked enemies afaik

[rich lotus]

Odd. Not discounting it could've been a wayward crit but those numbers don't really line up. I'm less interested in Nego now that it doesn't buff others

[patent fossil]

Might have been a different buff, like opportunistic or Scorpio or similar

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's super easy to math out what you are gonna hit with nem.

[patent fossil]

Nego is just good for general damage output solo or in team as long as you have multiple enemies. Great for killing targets hidden in cover too.

[rich lotus]

If I'm just buffing myself, I imagine that solo I may as well stick to Hunters or Striker

[hazy steeple]

Critical hits mark enemies for 20s, up to 3 marks total. 
When you critically hit a marked enemy, all other marked enemies take 60% of the damage dealt. 
Whenever a marked enemy dies, gain +2% critical hit damage, stacking up to 20 times, or until combat ends."```
This is its 4pc Talent. The bp increases the 60% to 100%, and the chest boosts the mark from 3 to 5.

[patent fossil]

Yeah it's just another option, similar in strength

I prefer nego for quality of life in solo personally

[rich lotus]

Mark reds and blues, bop elites so the reds and blues just go down anyway. Get mediocre loot, continue

That does represent a pretty decent CHD bump though, to be fair. That could knock a standard build up beyond 200% with the stacks

[vestal ibex]

Longer the fight the better it is too.

[rich lotus]

That's why Legendary was mentioned potentially? I definitely won't be taking this into Summit, where the excitement is so up and down. Maybe Countdown, but I imagine it's vital in Legendaries

[tawdry flare]

Nego works anywhere where you have multiple NPCs

Single dps is a bit lower than high end though

[flint wave]

negotiator on countdown smh

🛌

[urban latch]

Run it with vigilance and play it like anything else. All those times an ad you were shooting dives into cover or runs out if view you can ignore them and live on since your marked damage will kill them.

[tawdry flare]

Insert "The classic negotiators bag and vigilance debate "

[rich lotus]

Right, right. Thanks gang ❤️

[urban latch]

Vigilance just allows it to function like any other build. I think most people just assume they need the bag then it feels weak (on single targets) and they think the gearset sucks

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but it is just a giant tradeoff of single target vs multi target DMG so when you paint overall picture they both are good options

At the end it's your preference

[tawdry flare]

My go to nego build was sacrifice coyote and 4pcs. Negotiators

With elmos

[rich lotus]

I would have to play grotesquely passively to get Sacrifice working on a build like that

[astral kraken]

It shines in legendary solo runs because you have a lot of enemies to deal with and the ones that hide in cover become really problematic, like drone ops. It's still really good in group play but so is your run-of-the-mill striker build.

For me the biggest value is that nego transfer bypasses armor plates and kills enemies in cover. That's just such a big deal on some stages.

[rich lotus]

I get the feeling it's there to exist as a slightly different flavour. There shouldn't be a rush to get to it, but it'll keep the game fresh if I do get a proper build going

Striker/Ouro is boring if it's superglued onto your character

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that Strikers was only added to div2 in Season 1 of WONY, Nego is from the base game.

[tawdry flare]

Why do you think I like 5.11 so much

It just gives you a chance to move to non meta setup

It gets boring sometimes just play with whatever you want sometimes

[rich lotus]

It's weird they took that long to bring it over from D1

[rich lotus]

I thought it was purely memes. I still like to break out my Haz Pro + Backfire build from time to time, and take four business days to kill anything but it's so much fun

[tawdry flare]

Naa it is fun to run around I have hf broomstick sleigher build

With memento ceska obliterate which is pretty useless with the build

[rich lotus]

Man that's so festive

[tawdry flare]

I want another pcs with intimidate or raucey suggested spark

I cleared Lincoln memorial in 14mins iirc with 2 directives heroic with the combo

[hazy steeple]

It was the first of the things that they did bring from div1, so it's not that weird.
to put it into perspective, it was added the same Season as Coyotes.

[astral kraken]

It also sorta outclasses high-end DPS builds for pretty any content. Like if you have a high-end DPS build you can just delete it and replace it with nego for everything except raids. With Elmo's you can be at 57% chc 208% chd without Ceska. Grupo obliterate chest and Fenris vigilance BP. A high-end DPS build will do like 100k more damage per crit but with nego you get the damage transfer. It just slaps.

[tawdry flare]

I think they simply copy pasted striker from div1

[hazy steeple]

You uh, never played div1 I'm guessing.

[tawdry flare]

Without any meaningful changes

[rich lotus]

It was much more of a healing class back then wasn't it?

[tawdry flare]

I have played like 600hrs

[hazy steeple]

Strikers in div1 healed.

[tawdry flare]

That was classified

[hazy steeple]

"no meaningful changes"

[rich lotus]

Man, I was slightly less competent back then. Bad times

[tawdry flare]

Talking about standard 4 pcs stability and armour DMG as 2nd and 3rd attribute

[rich lotus]

I used Caduceus solid for about a year and didn't kill anything

[tawdry flare]

Also we had miss shot penalty in div1

[urban latch]

I still use high end builds or non-strikers in all fights except buddy/Lucy, and that's not me trying to be "off meta"

[hazy steeple]

4pc of div1 strikers.
Every consecutive hit deals 1% more damage. Stacks up to 100%. Missing shots drops bonus by 2%. Bonus is reduced by 1% every second. Bonus can be paused by EMP and is lost when exiting combat.

I prefer the div2 version, ngl.

[astral kraken]

Sorry to be clear I meant for everything except raids. If I'm DPS in raids I'm going high-end for sure.

[tawdry flare]

That's what I was talking about they simply copy pasted it first than removed miss shot penalty in the rework

[tawdry flare]

Div1 for me

[rich lotus]

Plus D1 DZ just felt more enjoyable

[urban latch]

I definitely misread that... That I'll agree with for crit builds, although other builds like nego and HF are still in par with strikers

[hazy steeple]

"they kept it the same, but changed these multiple things".

[tawdry flare]

DMG is not always the answer otherwise fi and eclipse existence wouldn't matter

[urban latch]

I also prefer HE in countdown. Strikers is so overrated for countdown imo

[rich lotus]

I keep getting peer-pressured into setting up a HF build. Think it's time

[hazy steeple]

HF is a wonderful gearset that I feel gets somewhat overlooked compared to ultramegakillshotstriker these days.

[onyx sage]

let me join on the peer pressuring

[tawdry flare]

You are gonna use binoculars chest pcs ?

[onyx sage]

naur

[rich lotus]

Perfect Focus

[tawdry flare]

You spelled binoculars wrong

You will get attacked by a mini tank the next time you play legendary

[rich lotus]

Why is a telescope just not monoculars? That's what I want to know

[tawdry flare]

Cause I can't see the moon

[rich lotus]

I'll kill it then get downed by a red bar and everyone in the team will find it a lot funnier than I do. That's roughly how it'll go

[onyx sage]

#td2-build-advice message

[spark vale]

So, if I understand this right: Striker set with striker chest is generally the higher max DPS, as 100+ extra stacks are very strong, BUT, Obliterate has a higher "average" DPS, because in most situations you won't be able to keep up all stacks of strikers all the time, so getting quicker to a lower top dps, results in a better average DPS than taking longer (and somtimes dropping) the highest theoretical DPS?

[tawdry flare]

I want to add that having an eclipse build makes the heroic countdown less painful with randoms

[urban latch]

I'd rather just clear ads then keep them in place and assume randoms will kill them for me. It's why I stopped running red FI there as well tbh

[rich lotus]

Type of encounter matters too. If you're subject to downtime, I think Obliterate will suffer more than the Striker chest

[tawdry flare]

But you can get a carry without doing much in heroic cd with an eclipse I do it when I get bored

Especially with hunters jumping around

[tawdry flare]

BTW have you started farming 5.11

[spark vale]

Question: If I want to get the Coyotes mask, am I better off farming Jefferson, or CD with mask targeted loot?

[tawdry flare]

Countdown with mask loot

[rich lotus]

I'd find it so funny if you were an actual 5.11 employee

[tawdry flare]

You also get caches per 2 CD run

[tawdry flare]

Nope not possible

[spark vale]

My caches just keeep giving me Chameleons and Capacitors. :D

[elfin otter]

CD is how I got mine. Took me a couple of matches

[spark vale]

But yeah true, I forget opening caches as a side gig.

[tawdry flare]

Dang pray to @magic pilot

Capacitor is guaranteed drop from summit

[elfin otter]

Trying to get a cap but no luck yet. Hopefully soon

[tawdry flare]

Read the message above

[elfin otter]

How certain are you?

[tawdry flare]

100% sure

You have to do bunch of summit challenges you can do on normal and get it

This is the one weapon you don't need farming much and rng since it is guaranteed drop

[shy willow]

Capacitor is a very easy exo to get

[spark vale]

Btw, I saw "Perfect Focus" mentioned a few times, but I only see "focus" on my chest talents. Am I missing something there? What's perfect focus?

[tawdry flare]

Pristine example named airaldi chest pcs

[spark vale]

Ah, I assume the effect is a similar "get dmg boost for 8x zoom"? Sounds very strong but hell to play. I don't wanna be 8x zoomed all the time. :D

[shy willow]

Mostly used in legendary when shield peeking

Cuz you can fit an 8x on assault rifle rails

[tawdry flare]

You can play in my open world too

It just takes quite a bit of practice

The thing is just find left corners

[onyx sage]

you don't have to stay zoomed all the time, just because thanks to it you kill stuff faster

[shy willow]

I could never tbh in open world

Me personally id throw ouro on and call it a day

[tawdry flare]

My personality is throw regulus

[shy willow]

I've been getting decent with regulus but my headshot game still needs work

Been running that HHF

[spark vale]

Ah I see. I think I'll stick to obliterate for now.
Right now I've got on: 5 strikers, 1 ceska chest with obliterate, 1 lefty, 1 st Elmos.
I'm now gonna farm for Coyotes, and then with that, probably go for the directives, and or CP3 farming. I think.

[sacred raven]

sokolov chest or grupo chest with obliterate or u guys have any idea ?

53 cc 163cd

[tawdry flare]

Groupo tbh

[spark vale]

Sidenote: I wish CD had some more random elements. Gets pretty repetitive.

[tawdry flare]

Might as well thrown a mod and make 59% CHC and with Groupo you will be at 165CHD

[rich lotus]

Yeah, if you're right up to the 60% I'd put that into Grupo instead

[flint wave]

get that 25% chd buff

[shy willow]

Better than summit tbh

[flint wave]

you'd like summit more if it was rewarding👴

[shy willow]

True

Still repetitive asf tho up to floor 100

[rich lotus]

I don't know why I enjoy Summit. Can't explain it

It's boring and repetitive, and the loot absolutely isn't worth it

[flint wave]

its like descent but not

[sacred raven]

got it

[urban latch]

By a very slim margin on the ouroboros ceska, for all other weapons ceska.

[frigid laurel]

Hi guys, So currently my stats looks like this. Besides my gear attributes not being maxed. What can I do to improve my DPS.

[tawdry flare]

You said ceska 2 times? I thought you meant groupo

[rich lotus]

Ouro = Grupo
!Ouro = Ceska

[shy willow]

Swap out the UG mask and sawyers

[rich lotus]

That's what I think Build Guy/Gal/Person Raucey was trying to say

[urban latch]

It's very closely ceska with the ouroboros, it's solidly ceska with everything else

[rich lotus]

Raucey STOP

[tawdry flare]

Got it the previous sentence was a bit confusing 😅

[tawdry flare]

Nemisis with ceska vigilance

[frigid laurel]

Should I run full red?

[shy willow]

For full damage yes

[rich lotus]

Kill them before they can kill you. Rinse and repeat

[frigid laurel]

Does my stats at least look okay?

[shy willow]

Chd lacking but that'll come with optimisation and the watch

Also when you swap the knees and mask

[tawdry flare]

Stats doesn't matter much vs the quality and right stats on pcs

[shy willow]

And when you get rid of the chameleon

[frigid laurel]

I have the st Elmos's engine

[shy willow]

Then use that

And swap your skills for a crusader and revive hive

[frigid laurel]

So I barely get good max rolls for CHC AND CHG 😭

[shy willow]

And swap harmony for a boomerang m1a or smth

[rich lotus]

And reroll it to get Damage to Targets Out of Cover as the third trait (your St Elmo I mean)

[tawdry flare]

Just do a bunch of run of CDs and you are good

[spark vale]

I only played a bit of summit, but I liked it on principle. What I think Summit does better than CountDown: You are ALWAYS moving forward, with enemies just in the next room. While in countdown sometimes you're just running for 2 minutes.

But mostly I miss the Division 1 game modes. they were fun.

[shy willow]

Underground I enjoy much more than summit

[frigid laurel]

I see a lot of players run the crusader shield. Why?

[shy willow]

Even at tier 0 it's very useful for cover on the move

[rich lotus]

Best option in that slot for mobile DPS players. Can act as a second wind when you get low too

[spark vale]

Hm. Got a Ninjabike backpack. Not what I wanted but I guess good to put in the stash.

[shy willow]

Of course you can't face tank with it but it's a very nice buffer to give time to score kills

[rich lotus]

Especially in Summit if you're not fully confident with the spawns. You can get overwhelmed easily, equip the shield and bounce

[frigid laurel]

Cool thanks. Is skill builds good ? I would love to run skill builds but It's difficult finding the correct pieces to match

[shy willow]

3 empress 1 wyvern 2 Hana

[rich lotus]

Yeah, Striker drone + assault turret skill builds are pretty powerful still. There are some excellent skill builds in the spreadsheet stickied in this channel

[shy willow]

Or you can slot in a waveform

Capacitor and in sync great weapons wise

[frigid laurel]

Oh there's a spreadsheet pinnde. I'll check it out. Should I replace Clutch on my backpack?

[shy willow]

For sure

Ideally vigilance if you want damage

[vestal ibex]

Depends on the build. I saw you mention skill builds and vigi isn't best for that but the skill talent you should go with depends on your playstyle. I'd just crack open the guild and follow it and if you have extra questions then ask.

[shy willow]

Combined arms if you plan on shooting a bunch, tech support if you don't

[frigid laurel]

Oh no so vigi is for the current build. I'd like to run skills when I have good pieces with skill stats

[shy willow]

Fortunately skill builds ain't too bad to farm for

Cores don't need optimizing

[frigid laurel]

yeah just looking for that minor attributes

Is it worth rerolling the st Elmas just to get DMG out of cover? Currently I have CD as the 3rd stat

[shy willow]

Best stat to have in third slot so yes

[frigid laurel]

When you say reroll. does that mean crafting a BP?

[fallen comet]

whats a good third stat on LMGs?

[flint wave]

chc

[shy willow]

Reconfigure at the crafting station

Using the BP

[frigid laurel]

Just reconfigured and got 5% dmg out of cover😭

[shy willow]

Yikes 😭

Better than 0 though

[flint wave]

just optimize

[shy willow]

Finna be expensive asf

[rich lotus]

Division 2 - "Just Optimise"

[flint wave]

shd level issue

[frigid laurel]

Lol exactly🤣

[shy willow]

Still gotta be like 1.5-2k that's a lot of hours

[flint wave]

all you need is 163 true sons tactical assessment and a few field recon

[rich lotus]

I hate how much hassle is to get field recon. If I managed to survive and wanted to make some money, I'd speculate on the field recon market and absolutely clean up

[frigid laurel]

I have like 6 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Just craft them....

[rich lotus]

Currently have none of the things. I need to farm a while and stop spending materials

[spark vale]

Hmm. Noo luck with the Coyote mask. It's for sure always in the loot pool right? Don't have to get it once from the mission first or anything?

[fallen comet]

its always in the pool, youre just aving bad luck

[spark vale]

Alright, good to know. :D

[rigid wing]

If I want to run a semi-tank dps hearbreaker build, 2 blue cores are good enough?

[spark vale]

Btw, for gear farming I'm pretty much exclusively queuing Countdown on Challenging. How much harder is it on heroic / would it be a good idea to queue Heroic?

[astral kraken]

You already know what to do so the only variable is your build. There is an endless debate on whether or not heroic CD is worth it over challenging. I argue yes. Others vehemently argue no.

If you bring a standard striker build then you'll be fine in heroic.

[fallen comet]

you can give it a shot to see, different people will say different things

[spark vale]

Alright, thanks everyone.

[onyx sage]

if you farm for gear mods, eventually you'll be strong enough to farm in legendary

[flint wave]

and begin the quest for pfe 13%

[spark vale]

Ayee! It dropped!

[fallen comet]

told ya

[flint wave]

not max rolled. Deconstruct

[spark vale]

Better than the nothing I had before. :D

[onyx sage]

he's joking

[spark vale]

Now I guess I need to get my stats up. I'm at 54% crit chance, and 76% crit damage.

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Scam/spam, just above.

[flint wave]

you can't ping moderator role*

[spark vale]

What?

[flint wave]

@pearl atlas wya

[astral kraken]

yo those rolls are god tier, nice

[frigid laurel]

Where does this drop? Countdown?

[spark vale]

Yeah I got it in countdown.

[pearl atlas]

delt with

[spark vale]

Thanks.

[astral kraken]

ty

[spark vale]

Alright, managed to get up to 105% crit damage, still missing a bunch of max rolls for re-calibration. That'll come with time.

So now I have a "base" build, I guess I'll tackle the daily and weekly projects, and then farm blueprints to do further optimization?

[vestal ibex]

Also use that build to farm more builds.

[spark vale]

Eventually. But right now I'm not super sure what other builds I want.

[flint wave]

a mortar build

[vestal ibex]

EP is a great solo/team skill build with fire skill with a CC version. CC version is the most OP thing for team play and trivializes heroic to laughable levels and makes legendary a walk in the park.

[onyx sage]

shoot goo, everyone stands still, their heads explode

[vestal ibex]

The fire version is crazy good for the league speed runs too.

[flint wave]

I like lady death for the leagues

[spark vale]

Speaking of difficulty, I'm having trouble finding people for the daily mission. What difficulty are people usually doing them on? Highest available? Lowest that still counts the reward?

[glad heart]

I do daily missions on challenging, just to get through them quickly.

[spark vale]

Highest it was! Instant invite. :D

[vestal ibex]

Higer I'd say. I just do them at heroic unless the daily is lego.

[onyx sage]

people don't really do them nowadays because the gains aren't as high as actually doing activities that give the loot they want, just with directives too and on high difficulties

[spark vale]

Hmm. so is it not worth doing the weekly projects?

[vestal ibex]

Weekly that give exo caches yeah. Well idk about 30 summit floors cause I hate summit.

[onyx sage]

i can speed through 30 floors and it takes around the same time as descent anyway, just put on normal and breeze through

[vestal ibex]

I just need a F10 anchor and I'd do them more often.

[urban latch]

F90 > F10

[glad heart]

Personally, I don't care about exos anymore. I get exos regularly doing daily projects, season pass projects, etc. I just decon them for mats anyway. I have them all, I think, and only use 2 of them on a regular basis: Elmo, and Scorpio.

[vestal ibex]

Anchor me papi

[last dragon]

so
I just ran a Countdown

there was someone who was somehow giving the whole raid like 100% of their armour as bonus armour as a constant buff

can anyone tell me how they were doing that? 😮

[flint wave]

Vanguard and/or galvanize

[last dragon]

so he could've been running Elmo with a shield and those 2 perks?

thats insane

[onyx sage]

or scorpio

[last dragon]

this always makes me wonder if the chest/backpack perks for gear sets are worth it over a solid high-end build :p

[spare gull]

I have a 2.1m armor build with perfect galvanized and perfect vanguard... Run a Scorpio to proc the shock damage, and watch timer for shield resets.

Been experimenting with more armor Regen but less armor. Is fun in group play.

[onyx sage]

sometimes

[last dragon]

like I have these 2
but cant decide whether to run Heartbreaker or Striker

the bonus armour from HB is nice but its troublesome to maintain when pulse runs out and enemies are far away
Strikers good but I feel more like a glass cannon ;-;

[magic pilot]

Just saw this. Putting this together was more to test oreo. I would run it with less blue cores for most gameplay. I wanted to see how T6 sheild would work while using oreo. Also secondary was for proficiency

[magic pilot]

Np

[sullen sun]

That build melts faces

[onyx sage]

with HB you run technician for the pulse laser, so you get 100% uptime on pulse

[last dragon]

ohhhhhhhh
i hadnt event considered that 😮

I've been running gunner for the LMG mag XD

I just really like the GR9 with frenzy on it 🥲

ahhh i cant run the techie laser on my elmo though ;-;

[sullen sun]

Want to post a few builds and you guys tell me how user friendly or optimal they are. If there not effective don’t be afraid to say.

You can just call them build 1,2 etc

[urban latch]

These all pvp builds? Umbra build is really hampered by NBB.

Build 5 is arguably one of the better uses for NBB assuming it's for pvp, but you wouldn't want obliterate for pvp. Although going both haz pro and pulse immune isn't worth it, you just give up too much damage and your often not needing both at the same time.

The other memento builds are alright. Memento is only ideal in pvp imo when your trying to defend yourself while farming checkpoints, but there's some who use it in straight up pvp fights.

[sullen sun]

If you had to pick one to go into PvP with which one?

[urban latch]

Build 3, and have another backpack for when you can't build memento stacks/have trophies

Ideally you'd have multiple builds to switch between. So like a pure armor/tank, a haz pro, and a pulse resistance, etc.

But build 3 with your backpack talent of choice is probably the top overall pvp build right now with ouroboros

[silk elbow]

any evernote link to a exuro build?

i dont trust the sensational youtube builds videos

[onyx sage]

exuro isn't that good either...

[urban latch]

It's not really worth running imo. It's so focused on the flame turret, which doesn't last that long, and has quite a long cooldown. And outside of that skill it just doesn't really give much else. It's just made irrelevant by eclipse which is so much better

[magic pilot]

Number 2 is well over crit cap

Smg memento look good

[sullen sun]

Most of these are YouTubers

[magic pilot]

Regen one isn't worth having those sub blue attributes besides the 1% from emperors

[sullen sun]

https://youtu.be/nDYDPZQFCvs?si=A6-ahfmE1frMD_ox

[magic pilot]

Memento AR high end is common for landmark farming

[sullen sun]

Did this the other nite in the DZ

[magic pilot]

A lot of players will run smg/memento with hazpro to farm landmarks

[magic pilot]

Got lucky af lol

[sullen sun]

Ain’t nothin but luck lol

[magic pilot]

Those builds are all either c tier or B tier

[sullen sun]

Good to know

[magic pilot]

Whoever made the smg memento one gets an S I wouldn't change anything

Firewall shield is useless unless you main shotgun tho

[gentle lichen]

My brother YOU made the build

We discussed it and you suggested 2 sokolov instead of 1 with foxes'

[magic pilot]

Lmaooo

Common prod W

[onyx sage]

lmao

[smoky dagger]

I haven't played d2 in a long time like a year and I'm getting back into it but I have to start fresh so I'm just wondering what is a good build

[bronze hound]

check the spreadsheet

[smoky dagger]

What spreadsheet

[rich lotus]

#td2-build-advice message

[gentle lichen]

Professional work

[silk elbow]

Which build from the pinned should I use for st elmo engine

[rich cosmos]

Literally any

Its an m4 stat wise and its got drugged out stats so it works on pretty much any build except you would be missing out on higher dps because of the talent

[onyx sage]

finally +20 white death

[forest hollow]

So I'm trying to get the Ouroboros. Any good build to grind for it?

[gentle lichen]

Nice. What's the damage increase per level? I know it's 1% but i want to know exact numbers

[shy willow]

Strikers with chest and bag

Although fyi you can only get it in the incursion

[forest hollow]

I know

[onyx sage]

it's just 1% all weapon damage yeah, and it depends on how much weapon damage you got in the rest of the build. i guess on the 321 build with 3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi, awd multiplier is 2.7 for +0 and 2.9 for +20, so first shot and top end HH damage you would see 2.9/2.7 = 1.074 which is a 7.4% increase

but that's because i got a lot of weapon damage for MMRs already so the multiplier is already stacked. but for other builds where i don't stack MMR damage as much the gain from expertise would be bigger

[gentle lichen]

Huh. I always thought it was just base weapon damage*0.01. And it would be added like that. Having it stack with other multipliers means the increase isn't really 1%?

[onyx sage]

base weapon damage x 0.01 would imply that expertise is its own multiplier, but it's additive to awd. so yes to your question

[gentle lichen]

Nice actually. So it does make a major difference afterall. Before i thought 15% expertise was just 1 more red core but it seems like it's more than that?

[onyx sage]

15% expertise IS one red core yeah

red cores add to awd after all

expertise also adds to it

[rich cosmos]

To level up expertise do I have to level up using other weapons and gear I wouldn’t normally use?

[onyx sage]

spotted the man himself

[gentle lichen]

Weapons or gear you don't normally use are usually low on expertise level so yeah

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch you blew your cover

[urban latch]

Im crafting improvised backpacks for your 5:11 run

[onyx sage]

that's dedication

[tawdry flare]

Thanks

[tawdry flare]

I am gonna do 5.11 healer

[rich cosmos]

Im going to ask this again because I was misunderstood
Do I have to level up other items to bring my over all expertise level up?

Because I can only level things up to level 3 and no further

[gentle lichen]

The cap is 10

Expertise level doesn't matter in that regard

[rich cosmos]

Then I do not understand why I can’t level items past level 3

[urban latch]

You gain experience experience by making things proficient, maxing out at 10. That increases your "experience level" which is the max you can level things, which has a current max of 24.

The naming of the whole system is terrible and convoluted

[rich cosmos]

Thank you

[astral kraken]

why he always dressed like a 70 yr old indiana jones

[astral kraken]

based

[pearl carbon]

Anyone got a good build for a shade level 200 for dz

[tawdry flare]

You wanna join

Requirement is 5.11/improvised

[astral kraken]

I’m SO in

[tawdry flare]

Lol I don't have a pc for at least a month

So you have quite the time

[forest hollow]

is there anything wrong with this? Any improvements?

[dreamy valve]

What’s the objective of your build

Never seen fast hands on a D50 before, I forgot you could use that talent on pistols

[gentle lichen]

You can use close and personal on an mmr lol

[forest hollow]

A build that can do the incursion. Skill/DPS

[gentle lichen]

Your only path is striker's

Try to find an elmo as capacitor will not help you

Or a famas with fast hands

[forest hollow]

Aren't they nerfing status effects?

[bright raptor]

They aren't?

[forest hollow]

I think I fallen for the YouTuber trap :killme:

[gentle lichen]

I don't see how this relates to striker's with elmo

You don't run elmo for the shock it's for the mods

[dreamy valve]

And that sweet sweet mag capacity

[bright raptor]

The vast majority of incursion groups will have you set up as two builds:

1. All red Striker with chest and backpack

2. Future Initiative healer

This is neither of those

[forest hollow]

Ah

Any exotic that they use for Gear?

[bright raptor]

Both setups are in the pinned The Spreadsheet 2

[forest hollow]

Alright

[dreamy valve]

I guess you could still use the loadout you posted in Incursion pug groups as you won’t complete the run regardless if you are using meta loadouts or YouTube loadouts

[forest hollow]

oh

[shy willow]

The only other two I can think of are oxidisers for the turrets and a tank for moss (the latter being a bit pointless tbh)

[forest hollow]

Is Coyote with max weapon damge and only CHC and CHD any good or I need a another Coyote?

[shy willow]

Exotics have fixed rolls

(bar the newer weapons)

[forest hollow]

So Coyote's have fixed rolls

[shy willow]

Yes

[forest hollow]

Alright just wanted to know

[shy willow]

It will always roll with CHC and chd

[forest hollow]

Good because i was gonna optimize it

[hazy steeple]

Sanctum Imperium and newer guns can be re-rolled, everything older is locked.

yes that is needlessly confusing.

[upbeat mango]

How's my striker so far

Still working for good roll on gloves and an even better rig roll

What's a talent I should work for on my chest rig?

[gentle lichen]

Obliterate

[upbeat mango]

How rare Is It

[gentle lichen]

Not that rare?

You just need to find either a 1 crit and obliterate to roll the other crit or double crit so you can roll obliterate

[shy willow]

I wouldn't recommend bloody knuckles for general use

Generally how it's run is coyote's mask, ceska chest with obliterate and then 4 striker pieces

[upbeat mango]

The gloves aren't a stay they're temp

Like I said I'm working on a good role for gloves

roll*

[hazy steeple]

a few Countdown runs should get you something workable.

[upbeat mango]

Going to do some soon, kinda hard to see If my build Is working good sometimes because people are running damage support which don't get me wrong I love It kill the hunters 10x faster but I have no clue If my builds actually worth a damn

What's the usual crit damage %?

[hazy steeple]

With the SHD watch's 20% bonus, it can easily break 110-120%.

Assuming you're using Coyotes w/the Elmo on there, you'll need about 50% or just above chc.

[upbeat mango]

I need to spec crit damage on the watch I was specing weapon damage

[heady ember]

striker with backpack and chest,1x cheska,1x fenris or groupo ( fenris better for Elmo at the end,its little ahead ) ,will bring you to 58 chc and 162chd

[hazy steeple]

Coyotes is stronger than fenris or grupo, especially when you factor in that the rest of the build is red cores.

[shy willow]

If you wanna test it's mettle just run a heroic cp with as many directives as you like or a mission or something

[hazy steeple]

remember: brandset bonuses that give weapon damage like that are based off pre-red core boosts.

e.g. 10% isn't 10%.

[heady ember]

rare numbers yes,but only if you stand in perfect distance whole time

[hazy steeple]

Also, the Striker chest is really only useful on Legendary/Incursion, stuff like that.

[shy willow]

Felt so scammed when I learnt that haha

[heady ember]

yeah,i would never run 200stack striker outside incursion,onblirate everywhere else

[hazy steeple]

IKR? So much wasted gear.
Coyotes mid-buff: 15-25m: +10% critical hit chance and +10% critical hit damage

you've got 10m of leeway.

a bit of extra CHD isn't as strong as that, since you're still getting 10%, and its 10% of each.
plus CHD kinda scales a bit oddly after a certain point, some math nerd here can give you details I'm sure.

[slate nest]

rivens 👋

[hazy steeple]

hey Benk

[heady ember]

yeah,but you will waste 10chc often,cause of overload due or waste cause of less than 15m.coyote is great,but overall in incursion fenris/cheska scales better.and its only worth for 1 mate in team to wear it.there are pro and contra for both 🙂

[rapid otter]

Sorry to interrupt but which of the two lefties should I use?

[shy willow]

Either

Just swap the third attribute out for damage to targets out of cover

[heady ember]

its the same with groupo vs fenris,the 10% AR dmg scalling on 200 striker better than 15% chd from groupo.All numbers fully stacked of course.

[rapid otter]

gotcha

[hazy steeple]

As I said, Fenris is not actually 10%, it scales based off pre-red core weapon damage.
So with a full red set it's more like 2-3%.

Also, cheska is one of the worst portmanteau's I've ever heard.

[upbeat mango]

So I think I just need coyote now, just did alot of optimizing and recaling

Once I get the mask I should replace the gloves with striker gloves right?

[gentle lichen]

Add grupo if no coyote

[upbeat mango]

Grupo where

[gentle lichen]

Instead of glove or chest

Gonna improve chd

[upbeat mango]

Alr

And 160 Is where my damage should be some where around the end of this and thats the avg?

[shy willow]

It'll be less cuz your watch isn't maxed

[upbeat mango]

Estimate without watch?

[shy willow]

With Elmo around 140

[last dragon]

think I got a little lucky with an Elmo reroll

[shy willow]

Lucky but unlucky you got crit chance

[fallen comet]

Doesn't have dtoc sooo

[flint wave]

crit chance is 2nd best attribute atleast

dtoc always wins😔

[rigid wing]

Hey guys would like some input on a hotshot build.

Is it better to run a white death with determined or a nemesis?

[last dragon]

yeh but this was the only reroll i did and it took it from 8% AR dmg and 11% health dmg
3rd perk i think was swap speed :p

now its in a better place than it was XD

[patent fossil]

Why not both? WD is great for regular enemies, with relatively rapid fire and no need to aim for the head except first shot and after breaking helmets. Once hh stacks are up it will one shot elites in 4 player legendary, or nameds in solo.
Nemesis is slow charging but higher damage, good for when you don't have hh stacks and for nameds when grouped.

[spark vale]

I'm putting together the Striker build from the google doc, and I've got a lefty. A lefty however is called "situational" by the build, What's the difference between a Lefty and a regular ACS-12?

[patent fossil]

The talent

[tawdry flare]

The talent on lefty is perfect sledgehammer which is good for support a lefty is just an acs-12 however on the acs 12 you can put whatever you want

For example flatline for DMG pummel if you so desire

[spark vale]

Aaaah. I figured the ACS was only for building stacks anyway, so I didn't pay too much attention to it.

[tawdry flare]

But lefty is easier to farm and get God rolled cause the talent is fixed

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I have 2-3 dttoc acs and I still use lefty cause of the talent

[hexed steppe]

Yeah lefty 💯
Talent is good and it has an extra mod slot

[spark vale]

Does sidearm matter in any way?

[patent fossil]

Regulus does

Other sidearms have occasional specific uses (kard custom, busy little bee)

[spark vale]

I currently have a choice between a Double barrel sawed off, and the gunner P320 XCompact. :D

I do have a busy bee, but I've already got St. Elmos equipped and that's probably more important.

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the build and if using an exo main weapon. Kard custom /busy bee are my usual goto. Some like orbit pistol

[tawdry flare]

Majority of player base uses Regulus or Kard 45 kustom

[spark vale]

Ah. But it's not important for regular gameplay right? I don't think I've ever used my sidearm.

As for my build, I'm playing 4 strikers, Ceska chest with obliterate, and my pride and joy, a perfect rolled Coyotes mask.

[patent fossil]

Could also put sledgehammer on a sidearm for occasional boss burns if you're not running lefty

[tawdry flare]

Kard is just too good to pass on

If you are using a primary as exo

[spark vale]

Hmm. I think my next goal is to get into the raid thingies, because I want to get the Ouroboros Exotic.
Can I just queue for that? Or do I need to find a specific group?

[patent fossil]

You can matchmake for the incursion but check teammates builds, if they're not running strong dps builds then it'll be long and painful

You can also use #lfg-td2incursion-pc

[spark vale]

I'll try that later.

Need some food first. Thank you. :)

[upbeat mango]

What should I run for a medic build and what should I run for a tank build

Just as 2 seperate builds

[heady ember]

FI Healer

[upbeat mango]

What about tank

[heady ember]

tank only need for a couple raid bosses.and there you need different builds

[upbeat mango]

Could you give me a tank that would work for capital?

[patent fossil]

Tank isn't a useful role in this game other than for a couple of raid bosses as mentioned

[upbeat mango]

Yeah I don't really care I would just like to have one If I ever need It

It's nice to just have builds

[vestal ibex]

Well there are only two tanks worth making, hazpro tank and key/stagger tank, both are in the build spreadsheet linked here and both are only useful for IH raid.

[rigid wing]

Got it. So essentially, when solo, use WD, when in a group, use Nemesis

@patent fossilWhat stat do I want for hotshot builds aside from Headshot damage and weapon damage?
I'm confused to the difference between weapon handling, stability and accuracy

[patent fossil]

Even in a group you only really need nemesis to start a hh chain, or for bosses

Weapon handling is a composite stat that gives accuracy, stability, reload speed and swap speed, it's the second choice for minor stats after headshot damage

[rigid wing]

Ohhh so ideally it's headshot dmg + weapon handling

[patent fossil]

Yeah, although you get so much handling from hotshot it's not hugely important, there just aren't any obvious alternatives

[rigid wing]

Ahhh ok got it.

Also, when you said why not both, do you mean run both weapons at the same time ?

[patent fossil]

Indeed. Although personally I run WD with Scorpio as the backup, I've never been a fan of nemesis

[vestal ibex]

OR you go more weapon handling because you don't need all the HSD anyway and then you have no weapon sway, crazy fast reloads, and weapon swaps. Also if you do a D50 determined it's super easy to pew pew with all that weapon handling.

[patent fossil]

It's super easy anyway, I've never noticed weapon sway unless moving while scoped. The main noticeable difference when you get a big handling boost (like with golden bullet) is you scope in faster

[rigid wing]

Ahhh Scorpio. How about ouroboros

[flint wave]

💀

[patent fossil]

If you use hotshot well you don't even need to reload

[vestal ibex]

4 pc hotshot*

[patent fossil]

Honestly try whatever you like, I hardly ever use the secondary anyway, especially with determined

[vestal ibex]

The thing about the sniper HH build is there are 15 ways to do the same thing with no difference in performance other than QOL changes which are preference.

[flint wave]

dch regulus

[patent fossil]

True, you can vary it a lot while still just one shotting everything

I've been experimenting with a skill hybrid for solo, future perfect instead of determined and a few skill cores. Determined has somewhat ruined my aim though

[tawdry flare]

5.11 tank

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'm getting away from determined and I'm trying to become a chad with nem. You get the partial charges down and landing all the headshots and it's really good. Determined just way too much cheese.

[rigid wing]

i want the regulus so bad 😦 i hate its locked behind a raid

[merry stone]

🥲 its a good gun

[rigid wing]

When I get back home I'll try looking for a guild that's willing to run me through it

[vestal ibex]

LFG servers run people thru all the time.

[merry stone]

dont need between this server and other plenty of IH runs

[rigid wing]

Can you complete the whole gun in one day or week?

[patent fossil]

Nope, needs two fresh weekly runs minimum (likely 3 for the mats, although if you use a second character you can double up in one week)

[rigid wing]

Daaang 😦

[merry stone]

yay like kettle said takes few runs

if you're doing it you might as well get the ravenous as well

[rigid wing]

is it just a drop or a project aswell

[vestal ibex]

Box at the end like EB.

[rigid wing]

copy that

[pearl carbon]

Any advice on double companion

People say it's nerfed and toxic but is it good dps and dammage

[hexed steppe]

it works like it is supposed to now. before nerf it was proccing both buffs twice. idk if its best damage tho

[flint wave]

atleast it doesn't shutoff when you get shot

[shy willow]

It used to be absolutely ridiculous

[gentle lichen]

Similar to obliterate+comp

But -5%

Compared to what is widely used it's a 15% TWD tradeoff for a consistent buff

But it requires a skill or ally nearby

[vivid idol]

hello, i'm new to this server and i just got the game 3 days ago
i'm already level 28 and i have completed almost all story
i want some advice on dark zone equipments cuz i've been only play vs enemy npc in normal world
i've been mostly using smg and sniper to go through the story mission
so what build advice for me to ready for dark zone?
i've tried dark zone and yeah i died a lot there

[shy willow]

I advise you leave the dark zone be until you reach endgame

[flint wave]

but he can avoid level 40 dz servers at the same time

[shy willow]

Ah true but the gear will be useless anyway

[vivid idol]

i was thinking about really doing a proper build for now cuz i got a lot of purple items and started saving gold items

[gentle lichen]

Pff what about them

[shy willow]

Everything you have will be completely obsolete when you reach endgame

Take the story in and enjoy the game until then

[flint wave]

encounters level 30 ouroburos 🪦

[vivid idol]

even for pvp when all items are somehow same leveled?

[gentle lichen]

You won't believe the amount of players who do it

[flint wave]

I cant believe you can downgrade the ouro but not iron lung and elmos

[gentle lichen]

I may actually get another ouro to reconfigure to gearscore and run gearscore dz

[shy willow]

Funnily enough gear in PvP is not equalised whatsoever

[gentle lichen]

You can

[flint wave]

you can't

[gentle lichen]

Only base damage and base armor

[vivid idol]

ahh i understand now

[gentle lichen]

I remember seeing an elmo with gearscore attributes on it and the gearscore number

[vivid idol]

welp thx, time to clear up the strongholds

[flint wave]

Either it's something to do with not getting the blueprint from season or elmos drops at any level

[pearl carbon]

Anyone know the best dps build

[gentle lichen]

4 pc striker's with bag ceska chest with obliterate and coyote's

This is for consistency but if you can handle striker chest (incursion) it'll increase your dps even further

[pearl carbon]

Do you have a screen shot sorry not to good with names

And layouts

[quasi geyser]

CHC or CHD ? what should i go with ?

[vestal ibex]

Note: You want the highest combination of CHC and CHD. Your aim is to have over 50% CHC and over 100% CHD with this build. If you are debating between which of the two to choose, multiply your CHC and CHD options together and see what ends up the highest:
CHC1 x CHD1 = X
CHC2 x CHD2 = Y