td2-build-advice

[grizzled garnet]

Hsd mainly

Skills dont matter much

@blazing crypt

[astral kraken]

decoy > shield

bulwark shield + decoy is a better combo

shield for regulus head popping, decoy for finding heads

[grizzled garnet]

Its not centered around regulus tho

And preferably id have a d50 with determined

[astral kraken]

reg is better for camping spawns if it comes to that

just saying crusader shield isn't really needed there

and decoy has a lot of utility

also shotgun > m1a

if a chunga/helmet gets close and your stacks are up you'll wreck it with a shotty

[grizzled garnet]

HH stacks?

[astral kraken]

yeppers. and every pellet gets buffed

[grizzled garnet]

Also i got an m870 yesterday with pummel and uhhh. Dttooc? Idk im not at home

[astral kraken]

yep. it shreds

[grizzled garnet]

Ive mainly used it in open world public execution for shd levels but ill try it in countdown or smthn

[astral kraken]

eh HH builds aren't good for countdown

it scales to 8 players and you'll have trouble one shot killing stuff

[grizzled garnet]

;-;

[astral kraken]

only real threat in countdown are hunters anyway and you'll be shooting marshmellows at them basically

[grizzled garnet]

I was also able to slap a tabk build together yesterday

Tank*

Ofc i havent got a sc tho

[astral kraken]

now you can larp as a door

[brazen elbow]

so i got the fancy chestplate that lets me do 800% dmg and with my nemesis it does a max of 27M

is that good?

[urban latch]

headhunter is very good, generally you'll make a build specifically around it

Here's a sniper guide from the pinned spreadsheet

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch
Random guy:Is my build/talent good
Raucey: Here look at this guide

[brazen elbow]

i have perfect headhunter

[onyx sage]

both are very good

[hexed steppe]

Top end damage is the same with perfect or regular

[tawdry flare]

Just make sure you are at 150<= Headshot DMG

[bronze hound]

doesnt cover my A&E build

[hexed steppe]

A&e has it's own link in the sheet

[rich lotus]

Would you use strikers with blue core in dz?

[bronze hound]

ideally you wouldnt use striker period

[astral kraken]

i'm going to quote this but without context

[bronze hound]

pls dont

[tawdry flare]

I can say that for my 5.11 build too

[urban latch]

ideally you wouldnt use A&E period

[bronze hound]

rude

[sullen sun]

A clan member told me not to run Coyotes with my Negotiators bc of the 20m thing

Should I be using something else? I’m of the mindset I’d rather have it than not

[tawdry flare]

Depends on your crit chance

Mostly you are in 0-25M range

[urban latch]

What do they mean by that? It's one of your best options for sure as long your running the nd backpack

[sullen sun]

That’s what I said

This is a skillz build

[bronze hound]

huh?

[sullen sun]

Skillz the YouTuber

lol

[bronze hound]

i wanna say something but id probably get banned so i wont

[sullen sun]

Plz say it

😆

We respect all opinions here at “Build-Advice”

Should I unsub lol

[bronze hound]

definitely

[urban latch]

The main problem I have with that build is them going t1 drone instead of a t3 shield

It's a solid build though with a lot of survivability. This is basically my main HC build

[sullen sun]

Interesting

I was getting nuked by this last nite

In the DZ

[bronze hound]

so you werent running hazpro

[sullen sun]

Correct

[sullen sun]

Would ceska, Spotter be better?

[urban latch]

spotter vs obliterate is just down to preference. Personally I prefer flatline + spotter over obliterate + something else

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher + obliterate

[sullen sun]

The argument by the way was over Coyotes vs the NG bag

Now that I remember sry memory loss is a thing

[brazen elbow]

how do i get that extra 39%?

[spare gull]

Mods. Weapon and gear. Recalibrate gear if needed.

[magic pilot]

Send a pic of your build

[clever merlin]

whats a good ep build solo for open world? is it just 4 ep with bp and chest vile and electric?

and scorpio/everlasting glaze for weapons?

[gentle lichen]

Would removing the 3 pc empress and replacing it with 1 electrique and firm hadshake and pgc result in more damage?

[brazen elbow]

mine?

[onyx sage]

ye

[brazen elbow]

Sec

@onyx sage

[patent fossil]

why the acosta's?

[brazen elbow]

?

oh the bag

its just one that i had on me that looked promising

i think ill put armor on it

as the core attribute

[patent fossil]

has zero synergy with the rest of the build

and you can't recalibrate exotics

best choice is airaldi with vigilance

and get headshot damage as the minor stats on everything

[brazen elbow]

in english?

[patent fossil]

ummm

little blue circles on green gear is bad

[brazen elbow]

i know that

[patent fossil]

green gear has two attributes or 'stats', big one is the 'core' (weapon damage in this case), small one is the minor attribute

so you want headshot damage as a minor attribute on every piece of gear in the build

[brazen elbow]

if only i could

[onyx sage]

you could recalibrate them

[brazen elbow]

i cant

only once

[patent fossil]

all that gear drops with a red core already, so you only need to farm a piece with a reasonably high roll on the core (like in my picture) and then you can recalibrate the minor stat

and when I say the backpack should be airaldi vigilance, airaldi is the brand and vigilance is the talent, like this one:

(not sure why I'm lugging a ninjabag around, must have been experimenting)

[brazen elbow]

how do i max out all stats?

[hexed steppe]

also, add headshot damage mods into those empty spots on mask/chest/bag (obv not acostas)

thats an easy 60% HSD between the mods and blue attributes on the gear

[patent fossil]

optimisation lets you increase stats to max, it's quite expensive so better to start with good rolls (by farming countdown or similar)

[brazen elbow]

well i mean if i want good loot i have to do countdown on heroic and alone thats a deathwish

[hexed steppe]

do challenging its solid drops

[brazen elbow]

i mean right now im tryna get elmos AR

[clever merlin]

not really just don't use skill builds

And follow where people go

[patent fossil]

countdown on challenging drops loot as good as heroic open world, but you definitely shouldn't be running countdown alone, it's designed as group activity

[brazen elbow]

cant follow people if there are no people to play with

[brazen elbow]

last time i waited 30m in matchmaking and no one joined

[patent fossil]

on challenging or heroic? Any lower difficulty isn't worth it.

[brazen elbow]

the latter

[clever merlin]

Wait what region are you from

And what timezone are you playing

[brazen elbow]

me? EU-EAST or CEST (GMT +1)

its 20:59 for me

[patent fossil]

might be a matchmaking problem, occasionally it glitches out and won't link you with anyone (log off & on should fix it)

normally heroic or challenging should find a group within 10s or so

[clever merlin]

Well I don't know about that region but I was playing a bit earlier and got within 30 seconds to Europe serversand I live in US West

[brazen elbow]

find a group and find 8 people are two different things

[clever merlin]

I mean I just matchmake from the menu and have no trouble getting into a game

[brazen elbow]

left or right?

[magic pilot]

It depends entirely on the piece of gear

For pve almost all the builds I have use all red cores

[brazen elbow]

ok

[hexed steppe]

check out the guide pinned here. itll give an idea where to put blue or red cores instead of this type of stuff... just flip a coin in this case 😂

looks like automod is working hard today 😆

[dreamy valve]

This is 100% hazard protec?

[round iron]

SHD 14060?!?!

[dreamy valve]

looks to be

[bronze hound]

10 from watch, 50 from attributes, 40 from cavalier, yep thats full

wait is cav 40 or 30

[gentle lichen]

30

[bronze hound]

so its not full

[bronze hound]

doesnt look like 100% lol

wait shit i just saw the holster was yaahl

it looked like a picaro to me tbh

so then yeah it is full

50 attributes 10 yaahl 10 watch 30 cavalier

[gentle lichen]

Is this just to counter the special bullets directive?

[patent fossil]

usually for pvp

[gentle lichen]

Headhunter tho?

[patent fossil]

true, cools down to quickly to be much use in pvp

[elfin otter]

So from what I've heard the best way to get stuff for builds is target looted missions like Summit?

Sorta a noob and want to get into the DZ

[patent fossil]

countdown, you can pick your own target loot and there's loads of it

[hazy steeple]

Summit is a good choice too, but Countdown is great for sheer volume:time spent.

[magic pilot]

It's a pve farming build looks like

You really don't lose too much dmg with that build either

[gentle lichen]

Can still headshot for 10m+?

[rancid pendant]

does using all red build on a CD give more chance to drop all red items? vice versa to other color builds.

[magic pilot]

he was only running it for reanimated

28m with reanimated so probably 14ish M normal?

this looks like a way better build

[round iron]

off topic but division on a 49 inch monitor is crazy

[brisk glacier]

hey, somewhat newish to div2. going for a striker build and wondering if chd > dttooc or viceversa?

on a weapon that is

[glad heart]

DTTOOC on AR and Fox's Prayer, CHD, and run Coyote Mask

[brisk glacier]

gotcha, thanks!

[glad heart]

You want CHC at 50% or better

[brisk glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/P4UZPNh.png this is where i'm sitting currently, still have a fair amount of watch levels to go for chd

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/DZSrwaFe7lw?si=s5jwmOTGewqCymP0

I guess its good with the global event reanimation

[glad heart]

This is my striker, a bit light on CHC, but not much

[brisk glacier]

nice

[brisk glacier]

which pulse are you using? also i assume that's the reviver hive?

[onyx sage]

no because that's absurd. what would happen if you only have red builds? do you take weeks longer to farm an eclipse build compared to a skill build user?

[glad heart]

It is a jammer pulse, for the drones in the incursion... I would usually run a striker drone in that slot

Yes it is a reviver hive

I don't usually run striker, I run an all red high end DPS build.

[brisk glacier]

gotcha, and those are generally more effective than things like the crusader shield and fixer drone?

or just personal preference?

[glad heart]

Personal preference really. I never run a shield, makes moving clunky for one. Just need to play smarter and not get shot so much haha...

Jammer pulse, IMHO, is the best way to deal with drone swarms

[brisk glacier]

lol yeah that's fair

and 100% agreed on the drones

i've only attempted incursion with friends a few times just to see what it was like

needless to say, we got our asses handed to us lol

[glad heart]

I ran it a few times, and burned out on it. Oreo would be nice to have, but what you gotta go through to get it, well.... ugh

[brisk glacier]

yeah oro is the only reason i'd wanna run it

[sullen sun]

Can you run Strikers with spotter?

[vestal ibex]

You can run strikers with whatever you want really.

Spotter/tech laser is a comparable combo tho.

[silk elbow]

What’s the best turret and drone build? Is this build good for turret and drone skill build? Force multiplier backpack + waveform holster + rigger rest

[bronze hound]

Definitely not rigger

There's a build for what you want if you check the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[tawdry flare]

Do you know that a 5.11 skill build can outperform rigger

[bronze hound]

I offended the hell out of the other div server when I said survival was worse than rigger

[tawdry flare]

Survival? You mean the game mode it is very nice

[bronze hound]

I hate it

[tawdry flare]

But nothing beat division 1 resistance

In terms of game mode

[bronze hound]

I liked resistance

[tawdry flare]

Me too my highest was lvl33 😂

And it took like 3 hrs

We all died to contamination

[bronze hound]

F which map

[tawdry flare]

Pier93

[bronze hound]

Ah

[tawdry flare]

Sentry was top notch there

[bronze hound]

I personally like carrier the most tbh

[tawdry flare]

With 2 strikers and 1 reclaimer

[bronze hound]

I like the turret room in carrier

[tawdry flare]

Cause of the bullet talent it helps with ammo

[bronze hound]

Mhm

[tawdry flare]

50% chance to not consume bullet on headshot with sentry and striker you do quite the DMG

And we camped near healer box and turrent

[cyan drift]

the squad I did it with just let me run a sniper build while they made dinner

we had one guy as healer playing with one hand on occasion

[elfin otter]

Man there is really no easy way to get certain things for builds. I've tried targeted loot stuff for Countdown and Summit but I've had no luck. Idk how people make builds look easy.

[shy willow]

Cuz they are for the most part

The only particularly hard ones to farm for are chests and bags which need the core rerolled

[elfin otter]

Guess my luck is shit then 🤷‍♂️

[shy willow]

What are ya farming for

[elfin otter]

Trying to get a build like this

https://youtu.be/iXmsZToUl0g?si=WEt65wZC-coheGng

Skip to the end to see everything

But I'm having a hard time just getting the gloves

[shy willow]

What’s your target loot set to

[bright raptor]

If you're continously farming for max roll or max subroll you will never get it until you stop deliberately doing so

[shy willow]

Right attributes over maxed ones

[untold hearth]

Can someone remind me how to get max red/blue/yellow mods? Is it countdown or submit?

[fallen comet]

just be lucky

[glad heart]

Max rolls are extremely rare, and not either place has better odds on them.... Legendary may be best bet, but even then they are rare

[untold hearth]

Thank you very much noted

[silk elbow]

Can anyone suggest a build specialized in killing black tusk robots

[bright raptor]

Striker or Heartbreaker from the pinned spreadsheet

no real gimmicks beyond the stacks for more damage to kill them

Negotiator's Dilemma has a gimmick where you need to shoot something else, but the shared damage bypasses the armor plates on the Warhounds

[hazy steeple]

Jammer pulse is rather nice with it, I usually just slap one on any DPS build and max out the range as much as possible.

[shy willow]

Shoot the hind legs

[patent fossil]

Or just shoot them in the legs with a crit or hh build

Ah, too slow

[hazy steeple]

You can also ask them a trick question to break their logic processors.

[shy willow]

Haha

[patent fossil]

Don't try it on Rivens though

[fallen comet]

give them a captcha to solve

[patent fossil]

Give them a good belly rub and a treat

[hazy steeple]

Just for that, I'm not saving any of you from the rock camps when I take over.

[bright raptor]

Oh and as a happy benefit from Determined, the Determined/Headhunter sniper oneshot builds oneshot Warhounds as long as you have both up

[patent fossil]

Classic rock camps?

[hazy steeple]

With a blues twist, of course.

[patent fossil]

Sounds good to me. Viva la AI revolution!

[astral kraken]

On legendary I rock the EMP sticky on my DPS build. Works wonders.

In a group setting a tier 6 EMP sticky has a ~15s cooldown and ~20 second duration. So 100% uptime.

Or you can do Hard Wired + EMP + Hive + BTSU and put them all to sleep for the entire encounter.

But you need someone else to do the damage dealing in that case.

[bright raptor]

I thought that's why you used cluster seekers? But yes, it takes a while with those

[astral kraken]

Cluster seekers are meh

All they're really good for is making all the enemies run out of cover so DPS people can kill them

I'd argue CC does a better job of that kind of add control

But if it works it works

[tawdry flare]

You can go jammer with emp sticky

[vestal ibex]

Just run tech, 12% extra robotics damage and you can EMP grenade them. Tons of options.

[tawdry flare]

Don't force me to use secret weapon on bots

[brazen elbow]

this a good replacement for the nemesis in a sniper build?

[brazen elbow]

and is this a good talent to put on this gun?

[hazy steeple]

Nemesis, White Death, Mantis.
those are the 3 best MMR's in div2, in no particular order.

[brazen elbow]

well whats the difference between them?

[urban latch]

Breadbasket is pretty much useless. Ideally try to get determined on there, but if your not running determined lucky shot isn't a bad talent, it's kind of a situation of determined then everything else is so far behind it doesn't matter much.

[urban latch]

The 3 do different things. Nemesis does by far the most damage, but requires the charge up. White death can run determined and is strong enough to kill most things with headhunter stacks. And Mantis is for people who keep forgetting which end the head is on the body

[hazy steeple]

Mantis also instantly resets the Decoy Skill on Headshot kills, which is a fun combo

[brazen elbow]

well, where would i get the mantis then?

it sounds fun

[hazy steeple]

Same as 90% of loot in div2:

then either go Directives or Countdown+ caches from the vendor.```

[elfin otter]

What is it supposed to be?

[hazy steeple]

@elfin otter For exotics, go for "type"
for gearset/named items/brand, go "brand".

[brazen elbow]

so does that mean that it autmatically aims for the head?

[urban latch]

It doesn't aim, it just highlights where the head is located

[tawdry flare]

Assshot multiplier

[flint wave]

Achilles pulse

[versed summit]

having a hard time finding something that just straight up tells me. What do Pestilence debuffs gain damage from? Just weapon damage and Amps? anything else?

[tawdry flare]

Aaron keener moment

[tawdry flare]

Total weapon DMG ie. Vigilance obliterate fi buff ,glass cannon

[versed summit]

well GC is an amp, but yeah

[brazen elbow]

ah

[urban latch]

for reference determined lets you just hit whereever after your first headshot and it will continue to just count anything as the head over and over. its slightly broken on the white death, and does more damaage than the mantis

[hexed steppe]

headshot kill*. if you fail to kill or hit a helmet determined is spent. just clarifying, i knew what you meant

[grizzled garnet]

Missing does not matter

[tawdry flare]

Yeah you have basically aimbot that will always head even if you aim for body

[spark vale]

Any hot tips for skills while leveling?

[tawdry flare]

Levelling for proficiency?

[spark vale]

Just a new character.

[tawdry flare]

Drone and turrent are your best friend they level up with you unlike weapons that gets outdated this advice is for lvl 1-30

[magic pilot]

Mantis is for players who feel like they have to use an exotic but can't handle nemesis

Or are too lazy to get it

(Im people)

[urban latch]

Play around with different ones, but crusader shield and revive hive are imo the most basic and useful skills to level with. While your leveling red core gear is basically useless, so it's pretty easy to put on 6 blue or yellow core gear and have a 6 skill tier shield the whole time which will make most of the missions very easy.

Is this your first time going through the story, or is this a second+ character/wony run?

[tawdry flare]

Don't use burster fire fly flame turrent any seekers except cluster

[spark vale]

Thanks everyone.

[astral kraken]

Foam is great to start learning early. It might not seem like it, but foam really adds to your survivability in sticky situations (no pun intended lol)

[spark vale]

Speaking of leveling, I've got a level 1 ruthless. Is there a way to level that up, or is that just right away outclassed by random drops?

[elfin otter]

Okay appreciated

[astral kraken]

It's not a good gun but it also doesn't take up stash space. I'd forget about it for now.

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[bright raptor]

eventually you get the option to "convert" its regular counterpart into Ruthless

[flint wave]

Which is useless to do

since it's just a worse merciless from what I've seen

[bright raptor]

the talent is identical now but as I believe it rerolls its stats, entirely possible for it to be worse rolled after

[flint wave]

the weapon handling isn't identical and ruthless has the worser handling

[brazen elbow]

can i not extract this?

[elfin otter]

Wait just for clarification if an exotic is an smg then you target smg category and if its named then its the brand associated?

[hazy steeple]

You see how it's gold and says "perfect"? That means it's a named talent/attribute.
those can not be extracted.

[brazen elbow]

fuck

[elfin otter]

Wouldn't it be harder to find the exotic if you're targeting smg?

[shy willow]

Yes

[hazy steeple]

Yep.
e.g. if you are looking for the Backfire SMG, you go "smg"
if you are looking for a Chainkiller chest, you'd go "walker and harris".

[shy willow]

Nothing better to target

Just pray the gods bless you with the exotic you're looking for

[brazen elbow]

how about a elmo engine?

[hazy steeple]

Aassault Rifles.

[urban latch]

It's also worth noting that perfect determined functions differently than regular determined, likely due to a bug. Regular determined is far stronger than the perfect version

[shy willow]

Perf version doesn't chain headshots fsr

[elfin otter]

You said it was relatively easy, so just dependant on RNG I'd assume?

[brazen elbow]

can i unperfect it?

[flint wave]

no

[shy willow]

Could get it first game could get it 10th

[tawdry flare]

Yeah just farm the weapons and roll determined

[urban latch]

No. You'll just need to keep farming

[elfin otter]

Damn. How long does it typically take to get the full build for something? Like whats the longest its taken you?

[shy willow]

Gearset builds are pretty easy

Not too long at all

[elfin otter]

So its the weapons that take the longest

[shy willow]

The ones that take the longest are the unicorns

[elfin otter]

Unicorns?

[tawdry flare]

5.11 🦄

[elfin otter]

Ah

[shy willow]

But normal chests and bags that you need a specific talent for can take a little while

[elfin otter]

Okay gotcha

[shy willow]

Rerolled cores

[elfin otter]

Makes sense. I'll try to grind some more tonight with what I know now. Thanks!

[deep pendant]

Yeah gear sets are pretty quick to get, one run of countdown with it targeted loot and I've got full set, now getting good rolls is another issue

[elfin otter]

Cool okay

[heady ember]

i love that one shot build,easy peasy kill it all and farm shd 🙂

[vestal ibex]

If you main regulus you should try out the hunters fury version too. Can even keep DCH if you want. Also expertise makes a HUGE difference with headhunters.

[flint wave]

Funny that u have all this max rolled stuff and regulus but a chainkiller with a blue

[heady ember]

i only use regulos on heavys,1886 kills everything else.

[vestal ibex]

I use 1886 and a M870 on my Hunter fury version.

[silk elbow]

What type of hive?

[heady ember]

too lazy to farm another chest,for shd hero with 5 directives,its enough 🙂

cp done in 2min

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, honestly you could use way less and still get the same result in solo heroic. Might want to expertise some random stuff while doing this cause it'll still work.

[astral kraken]

it doesn't matter. it's just to proc hard wired and reset your emp cooldown

[silk elbow]

I see

[astral kraken]

emp, drop hive, emp, pick up hive, drop hive, emp, etc

[vestal ibex]

stares at HW cool down

It is a 10 second cooldown so you are limited by that.

[astral kraken]

yeeeeaa

[rotund beacon]

Just hit 40 and got a bulwark piece should i go for this set as first build or is there something easier as first build? Im playing with heal drone and stiker shield with flame spec

[red flame]

bulwark is good for tanky build to support others - but not with firewall and striker shield

[rotund beacon]

what should i mix bullwark with ? what specs and skills should i use? solo and for group

[vestal ibex]

I wouldn't suggest bulwark for 99.9% of content. You'll struggle solo and you'll just get carried otherwise. You should start with a build that allows you to farm and clear content. How you want to perform that task is up to you. Skill builds, AR damage builds, MMR builds are some of the best at this. If you want tanky DPS I'd go for heart breakers and build from there.

[rotund beacon]

What solo skill build do you reccommend? is there a site with these builds?

[red flame]

personally i run 4 piece of bulwark (mask - glove-holster-kneepad)
one pointman named item (gila guard with perfect vanguard)
blestone armory backpack with adrenaline rush
bulwark shield with either artificer or reviver hive
specialist - technician or demolishist
guns i REALLY recommend to either have THE RAVENOUS or LIBERTY

but like i said - that's good for staying alive and carrying others in group
not to go solo

you shouldn't build it rn when you're low level

[vestal ibex]

Yes pinned in this channel there is a spreadsheet, head to the build hub tab and on the right side of the build you'll see and link to a build guide.

[grizzled garnet]

I see the bulwark as a buff tool rather than defensive. I also use rav as an armor maker

[magic pilot]

Bulwark or foundary bulwark

[bronze hound]

FB sucks imo

[red flame]

solo mostly:
turret drone or decoy for switching attention
reviver hive for giving a second chance to live......

[vestal ibex]

Foundry bulwark lol

[bronze hound]

yeah foundry kinda sucks

[red flame]

nah - i play with in legendery with no problem

[vestal ibex]

I mean I could stand in the corner with any build.

[bronze hound]

once your shield breaks you get mowed down instantly

and your shield cannot take many hits :/

[red flame]

20 sec - just roll all around

[red flame]

use liberty

AND PFE

[magic pilot]

And be useless basically

[bronze hound]

or just run PFE tank and just face tank 4 heavies at once without relying on liberty at all

[red flame]

exactly

[vestal ibex]

I get the idea of the "tank" but aggro goes to the biggest damage dealers it doesn't help in this game.

[grizzled garnet]

Imo in either situation rav >>>

[bronze hound]

my tank build does 700k a shot so i mean

[red flame]

ummm i always get the agro....

in the legendery at least

[bronze hound]

if you dont do damage then you wont get aggro no

[magic pilot]

If anything just run FB with yellow cores and throw a decoy lol

Be more effective

[red flame]

yea when that happens i just run in their faces XD

[bronze hound]

they ignore you

question, on average how many times does your shield break in a legendary mission

[red flame]

bro i played it like 100 time already

[bronze hound]

you did not run legendary 100 times with a tank build

[red flame]

depends how much i fail to stack liberty

[bronze hound]

thats why i said on average

[red flame]

about 50

[bronze hound]

because mine only breaks like a max of 2 times

without using liberty

you should really consider swapping to PFE tank

[red flame]

bro like i said - it really depends if i fail to stack liberty
other than that i never remember my sheild broke

[magic pilot]

Or just run 3 dps and a cc for leg

[bronze hound]

if i just took off liberty i still wouldnt have my shield break

[bronze hound]

thats the much better option yeah

[magic pilot]

Completely for go the tank lol

[bronze hound]

I've gone tank only when my group can't survive off of CC which has happened before

It does carry if you can use it right but it's very difficult to do so

And with foundry becoming instantly destroyed at two heavies that's why I suggest PFE

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I got a stagger tank build for IH and that's it. Never use "tank" builds outside of that.

[magic pilot]

Lack of dmg from the dps players

[grizzled garnet]

Which is harder. Legendary or heroic countdown? Imma guess cd because its 8 players scaling

[bronze hound]

Yeah but what you gonna do, tell them their builds suck and leave? Then find another group with even worse builds?

[bronze hound]

There is no legendary countdown

[red flame]

bro he means legendery in total...

[bronze hound]

Oh lol

[grizzled garnet]

No i meant it like. Legendary mission or heroic cd

[bronze hound]

Countdown has higher health enemies

[grizzled garnet]

:3

[grizzled garnet]

Health isnt everything though right?

[red flame]

yet it's 8 so if all kwtd it's much easier

[vestal ibex]

Legendary is much harder.

[bronze hound]

Well they do less damage because it's heroic

[grizzled garnet]

So damage doesnt scale with players but health does?

[bronze hound]

Yes

Afaik that's how it works

[grizzled garnet]

Interesting

[vestal ibex]

It do be like dat.

[red flame]

i feel different in descent
but that's descent....

[bronze hound]

Descent doesn't have the same difficulties

[red flame]

yea that's why i said it's descent...

[astral kraken]

spectator build

get to watch people clear from all angles!

combat photographer

[vestal ibex]

This is gold bro.

[magic pilot]

Why is my screen so saturated all the time?

Character is always laying down

[bronze hound]

?

[urban latch]

dont get hit

[silk elbow]

why does mortar build need Contractors Gloves

[flint wave]

damage to armor works on explosions

[silk elbow]

i see

[merry stone]

oh wtf didnt know lol

[gentle lichen]

What about casual grenades?

[flint wave]

they explode

[merry stone]

dta > dtooc confirmed

[astral kraken]

assault turret so bad no one even bothered fixing the typo

[flint wave]

also no demolisher or burster firefly

[rich lotus]

If you assualt turret you make an ass out of u and ur alts

[rich lotus]

I one-shot the chat with fully-procced Headhunter. GG, don't res

[deep pendant]

So I'm playing with Eclipse Protcol for some status spreading, what skills do people recommend

[vestal ibex]

If you are doing heroic you want fire sticky bomb and fire starter chem launcher. Learning how to use them is important. Double tapping skill to ignite chem and double tapping sticky to insta shoot makes the build much stronger.

[deep pendant]

I normally stick to challenging

[flint wave]

still

[deep pendant]

I'm pretty good with sticky, chem launcher ill practise

[vestal ibex]

Honestly no other status skills will compare to those two. Bleed is very meh and other than that most other skill status effects don't do much damage.

[flint wave]

what version of eclipse r u supposed to run for story

fire Chem just kills the enemy without spreading

[vestal ibex]

Vile+jammer

ez

[flint wave]

[deep pendant]

Thsnk you

Weapon wise I was thinking Capactior

[vestal ibex]

Cap is super good, EP backpack gives you 30% amp to status affected enemies so it's super powerful.

[deep pendant]

Time to climb then

[vestal ibex]

Best of the best EP builds will tick for like 500K on fire damage.

[deep pendant]

Stop, I can only get so aroused, I love dots

[vestal ibex]

ALL THE DOTS

[deep pendant]

Yess thank you for the advice

[vestal ibex]

If you want a greater break down of the build you can hit up the pinned messages in this channel for the spreadsheet, go to the builds-hub tab, and next to the FIRE EP build is an evernote link that opens up into a comprehensive build guide.

[deep pendant]

oh thank you

[past lily]

anyone have a link to a good striker build for pve? Would prefer one that doesn't rely on exotic. Just need to start piecing something together for countdown

[deep pendant]

check pinned comments

[vestal ibex]

Yeah pinned messages>spreadsheet>Build hub tab>scroll down to strikers>click evernote link. There are tons of other builds you can check out as well.

If you start building it and you've read thru the guide feel free to ask what might be the best way to cobble it together until you have better items.

[hexed steppe]

I you do a good amount of matchmaking try out riot foam chem launcher. Very valuable to a team. it's also an impact skill so doesnt need to be ignited or anything

[hexed steppe]

Add glass and it can be in the 800k range 😎

[vestal ibex]

I like my thicc spread of fire tho.

[hexed steppe]

30%amp 30%amp 60%cap stack 🤤

[vestal ibex]

I have considered making a build for speed running hard diff. I haven't looked at any WRs but I bet I could do some competitive times.

[hexed steppe]

It would probably be slower with glass for the league runs

[vestal ibex]

Well if you can properly do fire sticky it's good. Also you would want chest for spread distance.

[hexed steppe]

Yes and no. If you're hitting the spawns which I almost can guarantee you would be, you wouldn't need the spread

You wouldn't need glass tho so it would be the spread 💯

Hhhf regulus still probably faster tho

[vestal ibex]

My man does not know of the hard speed runners.... We could do friendly comp, pick 1 mission or maybe two?

[hexed steppe]

I'm not that fast 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Friendly comp yo. We could even do some runs together and stuffs.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah we can

[vestal ibex]

Therory crafting for those is cool tho.

You don't have expertise on your fire chems right?

[hexed steppe]

I think so. Not maxed tho

[vestal ibex]

I'm in yo dms.

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[onyx sage]

imagine not picking me up for speeds 😔

[vestal ibex]

Breh you want in too? I'll add people and make a group chat.

[onyx sage]

sure

[tulip mauve]

What's the perk on this Backpack for the tank build on the spreadsheet? The icon isn't shown on the Gear talents sheet there.

[tulip mauve]

Thank you. Currently farming CD to make this build.

[vestal ibex]

Key tank for IH eh?

[tulip mauve]

Indeed. Some people on the other servers taught me a bit of the roles for the raid, and I need this tank build to actually play and learn this role.

I prefer to just try the role than watching videos, as long as people are willing to teach, of course.

[vestal ibex]

Dude key tank and stagger tank are super easy. I do stagger tank a bunch and it's great, like the first half of the fight you can basically take a nap.

[past lily]

ok so say you have a chest piece with suboptimal rolls. Is there a way to get them all higher? Say this piece. Weapon damage could still be higher, but crit damage also has a ways to go. Is there anything i can do to max both?

[vestal ibex]

Optimization allows you to increase a stat until it's maxed. I wouldn't invest in it unil higher SHD levels tho.

[tulip mauve]

Optimization in the bench.

[vestal ibex]

You are also better off farming a perfect rolled part and recalibrating the other stat.

[past lily]

Ok gotcha

[silk elbow]

Sniper turret build: i rarely use my weapons. Should I use kinetic energy chest or overwatch chest

[vestal ibex]

Optimization is expensive.

[hexed steppe]

Glass

[vestal ibex]

PGC?

[silk elbow]

I don’t wanna use glass 😭

[silk elbow]

What does that mean

[vestal ibex]

perfect glass cannon lol

[hexed steppe]

For skills when in cover it offers the absolute best damage from chest

[silk elbow]

Plz no glass cannon 😭

[past lily]

What should I do with gear in meantime? Sell, Dismantle, Donate? I have already capped most of my recall library

[silk elbow]

I make errors a lot

[vestal ibex]

I decon. Bounties give tons of credits but you'll need them sweet mats for everything.

[past lily]

(Soryy I know there is like 3 conversations going on right now)

[silk elbow]

Whats better between kinetic energy chest or overwatch chest

[past lily]

I dont need to worry about library donations right now then?

[hexed steppe]

Then its kinetic momentum. If you are using a weapon that can take the tech laser then spotter amps skill and weapon damage

[silk elbow]

Thanks

[vestal ibex]

So I'd get into the habit of scanning loot while it's on the ground then pick up gems as fav>pick up all as junk>when full scan inventory for miss gems>open proficiency caches while inventory is full so they drop in a single pile on the ground>donate to proficiency>deconstruct all>go to pile from caches and pick up gems as fav>loot the rest as junk>donate to proficiency again>deconstruct the last bit. Also I should note check your resources before deconstructing and donate some mats to proficiency so you aren't sitting on 9999 mats and deconing stuff to the void and wasting mate.

[past lily]

ok

[vestal ibex]

lol sorry for the long explanation but it's probably the best way to deal with all loot timewise and proficiency wise. Also there is a way to open caches super fast. You can spam right click the top cache and spam space bar at the same time or hover your mouse over the F to open and spam left click while spaming space bar. You'll only have to wait for the bonus item animation.

[glad heart]

On the contrary. You should be looking through all loot, for max rolled attributes, and putting them in the library; if the piece it is on is basically useless (rainbow gear; attributes less than 80%--cost of optimizing) keeping in mind that the right attributes are more important than the actual roll. Also it is better to have 9999 count of material and not need it, than need it and not have enough. Regardless, deconning is always worth something e.g. brand specific materials, even if main mats are all at 9999 (brand specific mats go to 999 and i have been at this since day one, and still have not maxed brand specific materials. Proficiency: Yeah ok, but don't waste materials leveling gear pieces, the actual increase in base armor, will in reality just cost you, and give little in return. Level weapons yes. As time goes on, you will be deconning more and more items as more items get to the base proficiency (10) Also, checking each and every piece before you pick it up, is very inefficient; plus the time it takes will aggravate your team mates (if in a group) fill your backpack to capacity, then go through it at the WH at the optimization table, after the end of the current mission. If solo, please yourself however.\

[silk elbow]

Is rigger better than pinned turret build for sniper turret build?

[hexed steppe]

When I was doing the proficiency stuff it was basically :

-Pick everything up >
-Mark all as junk as I checked for gems to save >
-Check against library for max rolls/talents>
-donate all to expertise >
-decon remainder and donate the reciever components /protective fabric to expertise

[hexed steppe]

Rigger is pretty meh.
High end setup is way stronger

[glad heart]

Basically that is what I am suggesting

However, I just optimized an Elmo with god rolled DTTOOC, and just to bump the other two attributes up cost me several thousand reciever components

[silk elbow]

Is it mathematically worse for sniper turret?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah fr. I always kept a reserve for at least the weekly. At least a couple thousand

[glad heart]

I got caught with my pants down, only had couple hundred and had to craft mind block the stuff for AR

[hexed steppe]

Yeah rigger gets a single short boost to damage then nothing.
The strength is being able to breakdown deployable and kill the cooldown

[glad heart]

Plus had to craft ton of SHD calibration etc.

ran out of steel so had to buy steel...

Haha was a nightmart for a couple days

[rich lotus]

What is a good build to Farm Check Points With 4 dircetives?

[hexed steppe]

The reason highend skill is better than rigger or hardwire , you'll get brand set bonuses* and 4 extra attributes on top of the bag/chest talents. Either 40% more skill damage or 48% more haste. Green sets only have 1 attribute spot.

[glad heart]

Just a follow up, the change in the build (we talked about it) shaved a minute off my best time solo tombs on hard (time trial practice) from 15:12 to 14:13 just saying faster time to kill

[hexed steppe]

Determined white death/chainkiller/4 hotshot/airaldi vigilance bag

[hexed steppe]

Nice 🍻

[vestal ibex]

Should try out that EP fire for hard trial runs.

[glad heart]

Not familiar with it, and me and fire don't get along to well haha

[grizzled garnet]

for like wony speedrunning?

[flint wave]

when no other backup calls exist sometimes you have to Shepard the shd 3000's running wony

[hexed steppe]

vile jammer, like Souless mentioned , add scorpio for other easy vile procs between pulses

[grizzled garnet]

ok but what were you referencing to. running solo through story or carrying someone through story?

[hexed steppe]

i usually shepherd low levels with a nego mem build with healing skills

[flint wave]

wtf

[grizzled garnet]

because i would imagine something like hotshot or regulus would be so much quicker for carries

[flint wave]

for low or high difficulty

because it's neither

[grizzled garnet]

you said about story

still

:/

[astral kraken]

you could run all 5.11 pieces and start a misinformation campaign

new players inspect build and think "imma get that"

[rich lotus]

I... am not sure if I support that but if anyone can do it, the 5.11 guy can

[shy willow]

Summon gogamer

[past lily]

alright yall, i have an update. I got a ninjabike bag, and am wandering how to best incorperate it

I was planning to change chest to ceska

and find better mask. Just wandering if the ninjabike can help this thrown together build at all

[hexed steppe]

best incorporated as an exotic component.

its not a really good piece but can be used if you desire to make a sub par hybrid. you lose a backpack talent using it, so use it at least knowing what youll be missing

[past lily]

currently cd is a tad over 100 and cc was suffering but the multiplyer was better this way given what i have

[past lily]

I have almost zero focus on talents right now. Just starting. The talen i have in my current is crap

[hexed steppe]

yeah ceska chest will do you well

on striker youll just use the striker bag. its 35% extra damage on each stack

[past lily]

current:

[hexed steppe]

if you get coyote mask to drop thatll be solid. bag is good

whats the current mask, i cant tell from the ss

[past lily]

so leave bag, work towards coyote eventually?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[past lily]

I just swapped it

its not great, low roll

[hexed steppe]

oic its a grupo mask

[hexed steppe]

right rolls are better than max rolls

[past lily]

fair but i need chance, not damage rn

[hexed steppe]

change the headshot to crit chance and itll be usable all day long

[past lily]

yeah i just dont see apoint in wasting resources rn on it. My library on mask isn't maxed yet either

[hexed steppe]

thats all good

it comes with time

how are your overall crit chance and dame on the stats screen

[past lily]

anychance we could do a quick call to double check im not missing anything?

oof waay off, i am changing stuff but not good

[hexed steppe]

yeah give me a couple minutes and ill pm you

[sturdy gazelle]

Isn't 1 error(or more?) somewhere? Just took Screenshot of a player... 🙂

[onyx sage]

use opportunistic backpack and FI knees

[sturdy gazelle]

I use that. and survivalist spec. Not my build here ^^

[onyx sage]

yeah i know. i gave the errors that you asked

[sturdy gazelle]

Oh ok. But... Tech specialization gives 1 tier already. Kard 45 (named) gives 1 tier. And he's wearing 6 skill tiers already...

Not perfect but here's mine 🙂

[onyx sage]

people try to aim for the setup backpack, and it's hard to get both skill haste and repair skills on it. the alternative is only getting one of those, recal-ing the other, and keeping the armor core, and using tech skill tier. it also gives you 10% skill healing as well so it's not the worst

not that the guy is doing it, but i was answering why tech is also used

[sturdy gazelle]

Yep! I have a second healer build with almost the same gear (with FI backpack) but with Tech spec. for drones protections, etc. and what you said.

[cyan drift]

as long as they run 4 piece future iniciative, running anything else after that only helps it more or helps it less

it's tough to beat the iphone gloves and an alps backpack though

[sturdy gazelle]

My new baby ❤️

[rancid pendant]

is famas 2010 and famas 2010 replica all the same?

[hazy steeple]

Replica's are identical, yes.

[polar fog]

is this a decent build?

[hazy steeple]

No. It's actually almost not possible to make a worse one.

[polar fog]

wow cheers

[hazy steeple]

Rule of thumb for gearsets: 4 pieces or no pieces. Except for Hotshot, which can use 3.

Think of it like this: gearsets only have 1 core and 1 attribute, so you're missing out on the 2nd one by not using a brandset instead.
So you only use a Gearset when the 4th piece is useful to you.

@polar fog What are you trying to do with this build?

[flint wave]

ninjabike my behated

biggest noobtrap in this game for sure

that or bullet king

[hazy steeple]

It's an evil Exotic, because it makes people think that it's good because "hey, free stats".
but it makes you miss out on a backpack's Talent, which are some of the strongest ingame.

[slate nest]

how about expertise 24 bullet king?

[flint wave]

I feel bad for all the exotic components involvrd

[fallen comet]

That's like 115 ECs wasted

[clever merlin]

Anyone wanna suggest a countdown build that isn't DPS?

Basically support that buffs or cc

[hazy steeple]

Red FI.
basically you heal others to heal yourself, and still have some DPS to deal, albeit less.
there's a link for it in the spreadsheet.

[clever merlin]

What if I don't want to dps

[hazy steeple]

I guess go for an EP build and CC enemies.
but in Countdown you really just want to kill stuff faster. You aren't there to camp, you're there to get loot and replay it.

[flint wave]

sad ongoing directive noises

[hazy steeple]

That still involves shooting enemies, which seems to be a detriment in this case.
To clarify: Red FI really isn't a DPS setup, you're shooting enemies but your primary role is to make sure the goblins playing Striker stay topped up.

[clever merlin]

I don't mind shooting I just don't want to dps lol I do use EP CC and TP with perfect opportunistic but was wonder if there's other builds that primarily support for CD

[flint wave]

I use a pfe tank with pointman/tardigrade and setup sometimes

So bonus armor is the only other one I can think of

[clever merlin]

Yeah I did see that one build once with pointman and galvanize but I don't think armor is that good unless people are running vigilance

[rigid wing]

can someone point me in a direction of what build that will allow me to utilize ouroboros both in pve and pvp situations to the fullest?

by pvp, i mean doin my daily/weekly conflicts, and sometimes roaming the dz

[hazy steeple]

There really is no single pvp and pve build, one that works for both is subpar in either.

[rigid wing]

oh i don't mean to say a one build fits all. more like... in the spreadsheet, which builds there suit pve solo or pve group or pvp situations

i'm just not sure 😦

[hazy steeple]

Well all the builds that are listed there work in PvE, the only PvP ones are under the "PvP basics and starter builds".

[rigid wing]

ahhh ok ok. If I like dps but hate how squishy strikers is, how far behind is heartbreaker to strikers? I feel like runnin and gunnin with strikers has caused me to die a lot lol

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, in Countdown it's not that dissimilar.
I say go for it. Just make sure that you use it with Technician for that underbarrel laser.

[rigid wing]

I'll be usin ouroboros thouggh so wont the underbarrel be useless?

[hazy steeple]

Orou really doesn't work that well with Heartbreaker, you kinda need the pulse or just to headshot but even then the pulse is still good.

here, use this https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/80ca098d-ac39-5c92-cbc0-4f29bb36c8e2/1b81bfe12d13e8d034d749a7abdef2d7

[rigid wing]

yeah i'm not bragging but my headshot is pretty ggood, despite my name lol. I play a lot of apex and valorant so my tracking can be pretty on point

[hazy steeple]

Orou is a nice gun, but it's not a catch-all solution for every build.

but if you can make it work for you, more power to you. Just expect some funny looks.

[rigid wing]

haha for sure.

[shy willow]

If you're using ouro I recommend using some kind of pulse skill

[rigid wing]

copy copy

[tawdry flare]

Use hunters fury with ouro in open world strikers for qol

[rigid wing]

i'll try it out 🙂

[hexed steppe]

error, 3 empress or no empress
error, using shock and awe with emp nade as only way to proc it.
error, unbreakable when you could be using kinetic momentum or glass

all bad choices for a basic turret/drone build.
-move wyvern to bag-tech support or use hanna force multiplier
-replace hanna glove/mask with comparable empress pieces. the skill efficiency is % in every skill bucket.
-replace chest with yellow sacrifice. the 30% amp will give a huge boost to skill and weapon damage

[dense seal]

Now I need to make another morning coffee as the first one is all over my monitor . . . . .

[last dragon]

Returning player;
Used to play loads on Xbox, now I’m on PC and I’ve come back

Any advice for a rifle build?

I’m currently running 2 strikers for the 15% handling and 4 directive(I think it’s called that?) for the hollow points and extra bleed stuff

So much has been added since I last played ;-;

I usually use pulse and cluster mines but the mines don’t seem to be as good as I remember? The damage is certainly there… IF they actually hit .-.
Been using stinger hive instead .-. Helps with the whole bleed proc gear set stuff

[silk elbow]

For a drone and turret build, which is better: test subject or capacitor?

[dense seal]

If you have time to build the stacks and plan on using it, Capacitor

[dense seal]

Rifle builds are kind of taking a back seat at the moment. There is no real gear set that allows them to shine as much as other weapons.
Shotguns, SMG's, and Pistol all work amazingly with Hunter's Fury.
AR's, LMG all work well with Heart Breaker.
Anything with a high Fire Rate Excells with Striker's.
Rifles kind of have nothing apart from High End Focus Builds which when compared to the aforementioned Gear Sets, really do fall short.

[last dragon]

;-;
I could try and bring back a form of my old Div1 build that focused on LMGs maybe
run 4 strikers, 2 heartbreaker for it maybe

I need an AR version of the MDR in its 5.56 variant so i can keep using my favourite gun XD

[dense seal]

Please. No. Will actually sniff your jock strap if you do not do this.
4 Striker's fine. Plus 2 Heartbreaker. HELL NAH!
Go 4 Striker's, Ceska Chest then either Coyotes or Contractor's.

[last dragon]

my Div 1 build was full Lone Star with the Buzzsaw MG42 LMG

also, Contractors?
I found coyotes on the wiki and ceska but nothing on Contractor?

[dense seal]

Honestly. When Building in Division 2, Forget Div 1 existed. You will only lead yourself astray. The stats and how they work are very different.
Contractors Gloves.
10% LMG Damage - Brand Bonus
15% Weapon Damage - Red Core
8% Damage To Armour - Named Item Afex
Random 3rd Attribute

[tawdry flare]

Wiki is outdated look at the the spreadsheet pinned in the channel

I am a div1 player myself

There is rarely anything common

Between the two games for example the ar recoil is way less in div2 compared to div1

[tawdry flare]

Bro needed Ubi Insurance so the message doesn't get deleted

[forest forum]

I apologize in advance for long reply to any1 who read this.
Like with anything, you want a really good defense system. Protecting yourself in combat. I highly recommend Belstone Armory, you get 1% armor regen. Doesn't seem like much, but it does makes a difference. Especially when you have a have armor regen in your attributes. You definitely do not want zero hazard protection if that helps, the more the better. Striker is absolute great to use. No reason at all to lose hope on it.
I will share my build, you can view it if you wish. Just to get an overall idea what I did with ninjabike messenger for striker. With ninjabike you get a plus one. For Belstone Armory, the plus one would be the additional 10% armor on kill. But you can get two Belstone Armory to get that without ninjabike. So if you're good at finishing your enemies off, that's definitely a must have. I got everything in my build from countdown so its possible to get, including ninjabike. Challenge on countdown is most active if you're interested in CD. And of course there's other places to farm stuff besides countdown. But you don't need ninjabike, its just makes it easier to get the most of what you can for plus ones. I call it plus one so please excuse me on that.
The best part that I really enjoy about this build that I'm sharing is I don't need a fixer drone. That was a definite huge turnaround for me being stuck on relaying on the fixer drone.
For my chest attributes I have an hazard protection and armor regen. For all 3 striker piece I have hazard protection. And for my cavalier gloves I also have hazard protection for the attributes. Along with two disrupt resistance and a bleed resistance for my 3 mods. You can get 100% hazard protection with ceska vyroba with ninjabike for the plus one being 10% hazard protection with another hazard protection for the attributes. But from what I experienced, Belstone Armory is absolute must have for defense. I am surprised it is not often mentioned.

[tawdry flare]

Ninjabike 💀 build is not worth it

[forest forum]

I strongly agree to disagree 🙂

[gentle lichen]

You're not going to deal that much damage.

Also protected reload wasted talent

[forest forum]

You're right. If you seen my other gear sets I'm don't build for that.

[gentle lichen]

15k armor regen is outperformed by memento alone.

[forest forum]

Works like a charm for me

[forest forum]

I used memento, didn't like it..

[gentle lichen]

You reload in cover or behind a shield correct? So why would you need the bonus armor when in cover or behind a shield

[astral kraken]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=Kz328ojc_yjb5N6D

[gentle lichen]

Memento is miles better basically. And investing into hazpro for pve doesn't really help you that much

[round iron]

memento is goated if you're able to chase and collect the trophies

[astral kraken]

This is what ninjabike does to people

[dense seal]

You can literally forgo all of this just by using a Famas with Preservation on a Striker build.
2 Blue, 4 red, More than enough DPS to clear all Heroic content, 30 - 40% AOK, 1% Armour Regen.

[gentle lichen]

Aok is like 10%? A build with HF and gunner+memento can have MILES OF MILES more survivability with respectable damage

[tawdry flare]

Also gunner specialization

[forest forum]

I'm not replying to every single one of y'alls negative feedback. I'm sharing something different and going to do things differently than suggested. Because like others have said, if they listened to certain ppl in this group they wouldn't have improved so much. So I personally do not care. I'm sharing for those who are interested. Not those who need to be loud and negative.

[round iron]

What site is this

[gentle lichen]

You do you 🫡

[forest forum]

Btw, it was 10k player who told me about Belstone Armory lol.

[tawdry flare]

Mxbuilder iirc

[tawdry flare]

SHD != Good/Knowledgable Player

[slate nest]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[tawdry flare]

Otherwise Chinese hacker would have been the way to play the game

[forest forum]

Something like that.

[gentle lichen]

Right I forgot about a build i found by a 18k shd player in dz

Hold up

You don't trust SHD levels for knowledge and advice

[tawdry flare]

I can't tell the purpose for the build

[gentle lichen]

Hybrid skill build/pulse resist build for farming dz 💯💯💯

I was hijacking their rope and they emptied 2 capacitor mags into my cranium doing a total of 50% of my armor lmao

[tawdry flare]

🤣

Dod is typing till eternity 😂🤣

[gentle lichen]

Good advice at the end

I'll be sure to make use of it

[dense seal]

I feel this is a very poor take.
Especially considering that this is one of the few discords that actually has some serious knowledge base within the game, Asurmen, iKia, Raucey, Hutchler, Merc, all of which frequent here and are arguably some of the most knowledgeable people in the game.
The issue here is more how it is presented, not what is presented.
Cavalier is literally giving you nothing in this situation, very few enemies have a Status they can hit you with.
Striker's without the backpack is generally considered to by VERY weak.
The chest Talent is nothing short of questionable.

The issue when offering advise, is we tend to lean heavily on our own experiences. Sure, this build may work for you. No one is saying it doesn't. But, with "oddities" such as this, do you really think it will work for every one? There are a good selection of builds that are considered to be a sort of "standard". This is where we start. We teach people to walk before they, themselves learn to run.
Teach someone the basics so they can develop on their own.

There is zero point to throwing a build like this into the mix and saying "IT WORKS GREAT" when 90% of the people are going to look at it and just wonder what it is even meant to do.

[dense seal]

DM'd it to you

[round iron]

Thank you

[dense seal]

I love how this is a reference point . . . . . .

[shy willow]

You can run anything and it'll theoretically work but like why run just anything

[dense seal]

It is more, "you can run anything, IF you know how"

[shy willow]

Backfire

I hear that things actually good with a proper setup

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[dense seal]

Yes and no.
Depends on your definition of "Good".
Can it work with the right set up, sure, just like everything else. Though you are then compromising so much, just for the "priveledge" of running that weapon when you could run a variety of other SMG (not including Oreo) and just do so much more.
Without that set up and with a Team supporting you, Backfire is not too far behind Oreo, but the weapon actively tries to kill you.

[dense seal]

Exactly.
Ronon actually out DPS me with a 6 Red 5:11 build while I was running Meta Striker's with Elmo.
Why? He has far superior knowledge and understanding in the game. We also tested in Legendary Roosevelt, where at the time, you have just completed 119 runs in the space of a single weekend, so his comfort and experience in that mission was off the charts.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I was looking to do 5.11 incursion already gotten raucey onboard

[dense seal]

I hate you. Will start farming.

[tawdry flare]

Don't worry I don't have a pc now for like 10 days cya next year

[tawdry flare]

CC @urban latch

[urban latch]

If you want to run whatever yourself then you do you. But if your going to be giving advice to others then expect people to push back on it when what your saying doesn't make sense.

[astral kraken]

This is such underrated point. I've only really recently started to realize how it impacts build evaluation.

There's certain content in the game that I use as a test bed for builds I'm trying out. My thinking is if I can clear that content in X minutes then the build is good. What I failed to realize is how memorizing the content affects things.

If I take that same build into other content I'm less familiar with (leg zoo for example) the build will fall apart or be suboptimal because I'm not camping spawn closets anymore.

[magic pilot]

I'm here too🥹

[bright raptor]

Once again, the least intelligent type the longest Discord messages

[forest forum]

Thx, bye.

[bright raptor]

In some cases some builds work because of familiarity with how the missions work - I was able to speedrun Exuro proficiency through play because I knew which missions had which spawn closets and dumped the turret in range of them

same with using "less optimal" SMGs with Hunter's Fury like Dark Winter and Cold Relations, I found myself having a harder time with open world activities than I did running them in a mission

[magic pilot]

Unnecessary

[hazy steeple]

Prod is right, both are in the wrong here.

[tawdry flare]

Production?

[hazy steeple]

I continue to use the same nickname for people my entire life, I'm not re-leaning 500 different names on here every week.

[magic pilot]

Prod is what most people call me

Completely fine with that

[flint wave]

who's prod

I only know Cham deconstructor

[fallen comet]

campus vendor isnt selling an mmr this week...not sure if nightwatcher is any better though

[gentle lichen]

Popular dark souls streamer

Jk

[flint wave]

holy shit

[forest forum]

I've done a few legendary, completed them and done more than several heroic cd. I can definitely say legendary missions are harder than the heroic cd. Sometimes you will see big SHD players in heroic cd and its not so bad once you do a few. I just stick with challenge mode bc too many 100s SHD will try run heroic.

[flint wave]

heroic countdown is cheesed by pfe mods

legendary isn't and the enemies doa lot more damage anyways

[shy willow]

Legendary by far harder

[flint wave]

a leyenfary elite is like a heroic hunter

Damage wise

[gentle lichen]

With enough practice you can get it down solo with respectable time too

But CD has so many variables at play due to players

[forest forum]

I love countdown, it is a great way to test out your gearset as your build them.

[gentle lichen]

It may be the easiest or it may be borderline impossible

[flint wave]

When your team can barely take down a hunter it's going to be a challenge

[shy willow]

Heroic you can still carry it's just a bit harder

[gentle lichen]

Your numbers aren't going to be accurate. Your team may have ongoing directive or red FI and the countdown may have close range damage. The build wouldn't appear as advertised

[shy willow]

When in the first 30 seconds I hear agent down

[flint wave]

Depending on the objective a top countdown build can just solo it

[gentle lichen]

I like to be easygoing and just do challenging. Satisfied with the loot and the money too

[shy willow]

I've done 2 man challenging but never 1 solo holy

On heroic too

[flint wave]

I did solo heroic countdown and furthest I got was end of main objective, too many enemies to secure area before time limit

extracting is easy just hotswap to a tank build

[deep pendant]

Look I got stuck on a piece of terrain ok!

[astral kraken]

Legendary is way harder. In countdown the only real threat are hunters and they're only a threat if the team is low DPS and/or doesn't respect a hunter's damage output. Otherwise it's a walk in the park.

Not all legendary missions are the same though. DUA is by far the easiest and Zoo/Tidal are considered the hardest. One of the reasons they're so hard is the game hard-counters people's tendency to sit in stationary cover and safely shoot stuff.

On DUA you can cheese most of it by just hiding 1 room behind and let the NPCs come to you. On the other hand when you try to cheese legendary stages you'll end up take 1-2 hours to complete the whole thing.

But then you look at the final stage of Tidal and it's an absolute nightmare if you don't know what you're doing. You pretty much have to go into it with some kinda plan and team synergy.

[flint wave]

Except you can definitely just sit next to some tall cover the whole time and kill all the enemies from it

[astral kraken]

haha in some of them you can, but others it's a lot harder to do that

but yea there's cheese for almost all leg stages

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[flint wave]

binoculars

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Binoculars Build

[patent fossil]

12x scope on your shotgun, but chest talent is reassigned

[flint wave]

sawed off shotgun reassigned combo

[brazen elbow]

this good for this build?

[rich lotus]

I'm in this comment and don't necessarily disagree but I hate it

[brazen elbow]

i know ill loose the striker bonus but im just asking if it would synergize well

i can swap the holster

[rich lotus]

Yessir. You want a Striker chest piece though, for the stack management. Get a Grupo gloves, holster or kneepads

[brazen elbow]

yeah but this one has perfectly unbreakable on it and ive gotten used to it

to having double armor

[rich lotus]

Don't. I crutched hard on it for a long time, I got far better at the game when I didn't rely on it anymore

[tawdry flare]

Not necessary though he need a ceska pcs

[rich lotus]

You can replace Unbreakable with better situation management and planning

[past lily]

yeah ceska if he runs that mask

run it on chest or gloves

[bright raptor]

If you absolutely need Perfect Unbreakable you can reroll the core to red

[rich lotus]

Chance over damage? I suppose so, I'm not entirely on board with you but respect your right to disagree
Network will probably get an Ouro some point soon, and the choice will be wrong but it's all good

[bright raptor]

the chest is optional outside the incursion as most things die so quickly at high stacks that it's hard to maintain them

[past lily]

Also, I have got a question of my own here. For offensive, defensive, and utility mods, does anyone know the number of subcatagorizes you can max use at one time? For example, offensive protocol: critical. How many slots can i use on whatever i may have equiped at once? Just trying to save the best and get rid of the rest, free up some space

[bright raptor]

it doesn't matter, the category stuff is a legacy of Gear 1.0 when gear pieces could only equip specific mod subcategories

[past lily]

as of the current multiplyer (chc X chd) it has worked out far better for me, but he may be different. Just depends on playstyle and what else he has

[bright raptor]

regular gear only has mod slots on the mask, chest and backpack pieces

Improvised gear provides mod slots for gloves, holster and kneepads as well in exchange for losing the brand bonuses

[past lily]

So...i could potentially want six of the same mod at some point?

[rich lotus]

Don't worry, you'll get more maxed crit mods than you know what to do with!

[bright raptor]

yes, usually you see people loading up Protection from Elites that way

[rich lotus]

Still only 1300SHD, but the only ones I've never gotten maxed are Protection from Elites, and Pulse Resistance

[past lily]

too easy

thanks

[onyx sage]

it's not really that versus the fact that you can stack obliterate much faster than 200 striker stacks because it stacks separately from striker, because stacks after 100 decay very fast

ceska being there is just because it's the best high end brand set for crit

keep in mind, they're not using acs-12 or ouro, so striker chest doesn't fit well

[astral kraken]

With Striker you're hurting for CHC due to the gear items only having one attribute. If your watch is max and you're running 4pc Striker you will have 42% CHC. Ceska gets you to 52% which is fine with Coyote's. Optionally you can use one 6% mod to get up to 58% and run Grupo instead of Coyote's. Or just run Coyote's and 58% CHC which is fine too.

[magic pilot]

Coyotes/grupo for smg

[flint wave]

Coyotes/grupo for elmos

[magic pilot]

No lol

[flint wave]

elmos gets 48

[magic pilot]

Ceska/coyotes

[astral kraken]

Coyotes/grupo for Ouro 🙂

5.11/5.11

[flint wave]

elmos has 48 with grupo before coyotes buff and a higher chd

[magic pilot]

Doesn't matter

[flint wave]

does matter for 3rd buff gaming

Only the 25% chd "harms" it

[tawdry flare]

5.11 buffs health

[rich lotus]

It's why I mentioned Ouro. Prepare your build with the assumption you'll get it within a few runs (you REALLY should be going for it if you don't already have it) and using Ceska is a total waste

Coyote, 4x Striker, 1x Grupo. Pretty baseline standard to have 55+/160+ at this point, Ceska isn't necessary to achieve that

[magic pilot]

Elmo has 20 base, 10% from watch plus 12 from attributes

Not sure how you get 48%

Coyotes/grupo or BK/grupo for boss burns with smg

Ouroboros has less chc than high end smg as well

[flint wave]

with one chc attribute. It still has a higher chd

compared to the ceska

[patent fossil]

I assume with ouro you'd be switching from mid range coyote buff to short range, so that's an immediate 10% chc loss

[magic pilot]

No it doesn't lol

[patent fossil]

Obviously made up for by ouro stat, but you won't be as far over cap as you might assume

[magic pilot]

Put it on the builder

[magic pilot]

Oreo has terrible optimal range, it's safe to assume you'll almost always have close buff

[rich lotus]

If you're not in the 0-15m 25+ CHD range, there's absolutely indeed a brain issue

[magic pilot]

Ok now add the extra chc mod to yours lol

[brazen elbow]

so for a DPS build, should i have obliterate on my chest?

[flint wave]

I did

[patent fossil]

Adding in coyote, the 2% more chc is worth more than the 3% chd anyway, isn't it?

[flint wave]

The third buff exists

[patent fossil]

60x183 > 58x186

[flint wave]

or some other dude running coyote

[rich lotus]

Good point. Valuable to have a fallback

[patent fossil]

At that level of chd, the 3% extra is worth slightly over 1% actual damage, and only in those specific cases

[rich lotus]

Coyote+4x+Grupo / 4x+Grupo+Ceska? It's too much of a blanket thing, the Striker chest only really shines in a few situations
Same for Knuckles + Sledge. Have it to hand anyway, just in case

And learn to be a healer!

[magic pilot]

52/173 or 54/164

[round zinc]

Pretty sure at 25m it still edges out elmo

And the accuracy is still decent

[tawdry flare]

Yeah it does but the accuracy at 25m

[round zinc]

Not the best but still ok

[tawdry flare]

Plus I can hit head with elmos at 25m

[round zinc]

Yea im just saying

If i need to do ranged fights then elmo any day

[dense seal]

The accuracy at 25 meters is perfectly fine as long as you are not needed to shoot a specific spot

[round zinc]

But like,im not swapping to a rifle to shoot someone running away that is still perfectly in range

Still shred armored units like crazy

[cyan drift]

so it's marksman rifles, masks, a GR9, and a mechanical animal as the stuff you can get

[urban latch]

It's not a MMR though

[brazen elbow]

ah yes

[cyan drift]

my original post of this was "bad MMRs or a nightwatcher mask" 🤣

and yes, I concede, the white death is a good MMR, but she almost never sells it anyway so-

I'm from NA so 07/04 is July 4th, and that was the day I started keeping track

[dreamy valve]

I got White Death blueprint

[magic pilot]

Same

Useless

[dreamy valve]

Going for more named prints

Descent has trained me to use mmrs without a scope

[cyan drift]

MMRs in descent are really good cause unhinged doesn't matter

[dreamy valve]

Unhinged is hinged

[cyan drift]

I reset descent runs until I get a shotgun

then hopefully I get breathe free

32 boosted shotgun rounds are pretty surreal

[urban latch]

MMRs are good in descent because of plague

[dense seal]

Plague is Meta in Descent.

[cyan drift]

why

(this is a genuine question, I don't play enough descent to know)

[dense seal]

Because of how it scales in Descent. You can legit get open world PVE Damage damage with MMR and Plague in Descent.
Optimist - Vigi - Concusion - Gunslinger - Overwatch - Glass Cannon - Plague and Empowered(?) Status Effect, which weirdly applies to Plague in Descent. Highest Tick I have done so far is 2.2 mil.
Use and ACS 12 to spray the room, swap to M44, Everything dies in like 1 or 2 ticks. Like, EVERYTHING.

It is boring as hell to play though.
Just hide in a corner, spray the room like an overly excited skunk, swap weapon, room clear. Next.

[magic pilot]

Empowered is right for the status perk

[silk elbow]

can i use the pinned turret build for mortar turret build?

empress 3pc + hana-u 2pc(force multiplier) + wyvern 1pc + test subject

[hexed steppe]

Yeah you can. With the unicorns in the mortar build you can squeeze in a bit more damage.
Most will say tech support or shock and awe on bag. I use force multiplier for the higher damage 👍

[astral kraken]

first try!!!

[onyx sage]

you're lucky i'm already reading on here

[astral kraken]

lol

i was like... no shot im gonna do it but i gotta go for it

[onyx sage]

always takes a first try

what's your fps btw?

[astral kraken]

120

[onyx sage]

ah... next it's getting consistent headshots, but you'll get there

[silk elbow]

What’s unicorn?

[astral kraken]

so the goal should be every click is a boom

[onyx sage]

a unicorn piece is a hard-to-farm piece, because the attributes have different colors from the main attribute

[silk elbow]

like the force multiplier?

oh

nvm i see what you meant. red sets with yellow stats

[onyx sage]

yes, those are harder to drop because the game tends to drop same-colored attributes together

[silk elbow]

may i ask an unrelated question about force multiplier? is this good enough to invest optimization or should i look for a better one?

[onyx sage]

it's easy enough to refarm so i wouldn't recommend it

[silk elbow]

i see

[hexed steppe]

stats are decent and it's very usable as is.

[silk elbow]

worth optimization mats?

ive realized how scarce those are

[flint wave]

no

[hexed steppe]

Not now. It's better to wait

[flint wave]

Max rolls aren't really important on this item

[silk elbow]

oke! thanks for the advice!

[blazing crypt]

what is a good specialisation if i wanna be tanky?

[bronze hound]

technician is the best spec for tank builds

[blazing crypt]

really? what's technician do that's best for tank builds? :O

[bronze hound]

free skill tier

• arti hive

[blazing crypt]

huh

[bronze hound]

artificer hive auto repairs shield

even if you dont set it down

[blazing crypt]

ooooh, do all hives have passive effects like that?

[bronze hound]

No only arti

Well and reviver if you die while not jammed or shocked

They're the only two skills that operate without needing to pull them out

[flint wave]

unfortunately tech doesn't have protection from elites perk👴

[silk elbow]

is this true: Kinetic Momentum giving total 30% skill Damage and 60% skill repairs

the description says: "each skill generates a stack while active or not on cooldown", what does that mean? how often does it generate a stack?

[patent fossil]

1 per skill per second

[silk elbow]

thanks

so its +15% each skill, so if i have both skill not on cd, i have +30%?

[patent fossil]

as longas they've been off cooldown for at least 15s, yes

works well with turret & drone builds because they both stay active for ages

[silk elbow]

nice!

my sniper turret is hitting 10m now on headshot

So close!

[elfin otter]

I have to see your build

[last dragon]

so uhhh....

4 striker
2 heartbreaker

GR9 with frenzy.....

this thing is horrifyingly good

if i empty my mag and you're not in cover by the time ive reloaded you are become goo

[onyx sage]

yeah but you can do better

2 heartbreaker bonus is A LOT worse than crit

[past lily]

Thought I would share this. Not bad for 2 days

[silk elbow]

empress 3pc + hana-u 2pc(force multiplier) + wyvern 1pc + test subject

[onyx sage]

congrats on the striker build

[last dragon]

I got a load of crit chance and crit dmg stuff on my armour and weapons, and the GR9 has that built in scope for crit chance

[onyx sage]

how much?

[last dragon]

atm my crit chance is only about 14% and crit dmg is 34%

[onyx sage]

compare with 60% crit chance and 120% crit damage

you realize gear set items have less stats right?

[urban latch]

You have a base of 50% chd without watch points, so I'd double check your stats. Still, binoculars is right, you don't want those 2p heartbreakers, it's not worth it.

[last dragon]

so soon as I can replace them i will dw

ive been helping my friend get to 40 and finish WoNY so we can start playing properly

i just wish i could've transferred my save from xbox so i had all my stuff already ;-;

[magic pilot]

Go full screen for pics

[magic pilot]

I'm also on pc, I'm a little over shd 50. Came from ps at shd 4800 I'm down to play

[west kiln]

check this out (not me)

[hexed steppe]

Lookin good

[round iron]

could i have some feedback for my Striker's build pls? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtMYAwWCM14HYqpgZgHQJgFkwKyIwnEBcuAbMfLXHOvMJo6fgJywwPuVyQ5oZdLjCiYAsCAEo0YJInxFSKoeEjcaDTNQKYFqw0NyMBkDYh7o4nPaJCZORlWWCdWtUg4FxM4ms6ulNSi9AIgnDbc7Ag2AtzMjHCUhBBkcCB4EAjqMJQG8NxE-EJwUAqRDGBONA6xieSUwqKUREgIlJwpjHoIysKcSAogRCA4jmCM4kA

[bronze hound]

Why so much armour

[round iron]

to help with Heroic stuff

also the blue cores boost my shield tier to 6

[astral kraken]

what's your chc? bet it's low

or your chd is <100%

[round iron]

yeah

[astral kraken]

yea you need 100% chd minimum

[hexed steppe]

Question about sledgehammer.
Does the target take increased damage from all types? Like turret/drone hits

[round iron]

oh

but i thought people prioritized chc first

[bronze hound]

You need both

[astral kraken]

you should but it's possible to still have a really bad chc/chd combo

[gentle lichen]

So long as it's armor it's hitting or armor plating

[hexed steppe]

Nice 🍻

[bronze hound]

Doesn't it like always work on warhounds tho

Something weird like that

[astral kraken]

you need 1 blue core maximum. and switch to technician spec. then you'll get a tier 4 shield which is more than enough for any content

[bronze hound]

Also drop belstone for a striker holster and change vest for a Ceska one with obliterate talent

[astral kraken]

somethin like that. i prefer the yellow core but you can run blue.

[round iron]

ah ok i guess i can try that

[astral kraken]

i like yellow b/c it also buffs shield but buffs skillz too. armor is useless anyway.

for heroic though you don't even need the blue/yellow tbh

enemies dont hit hard enough. tier 3 shield is more than enough.

[magic pilot]

Think so

[bronze hound]

its a debuff so ye

it should at least

[west kiln]

(what's that backpack?)

[astral kraken]

something like that is better for heroic imo. once you get comfortable just ditch that blue core and go all red.

[hexed steppe]

Blue would increase the bonus armor on pickup. And the yellow is doing little for decoy

[bronze hound]

memento

[astral kraken]

not by much and imo armor is pretty useless anyway. the yellow isn't for decoy but for the option to switch to other skills like turret/drone

tier 2 to tier 3 is a big buff in turret health for example

[hexed steppe]

It doubles, and at max pickups its 200% bonus

[hexed steppe]

Not in damage

It's like 8k increase or Smith like that

[astral kraken]

still better than unused armor

armor just sits there doing nothing

[hexed steppe]

Why memento then?

[astral kraken]

so if you're gonna buff shield with blue or yellow, yellow gives you more

[astral kraken]

eh, it's fine. +2 red cores at max stacks effectively. extra blue/yellow core. it's not bad. striker bp is way better for damage output but you dont get the same shield strength and skill strength.

but like i said above for heroic i'd run a normal red striker

[hexed steppe]

Yeah but all that is coming from long buff

[astral kraken]

if survivability is a problem just add a blue core till comfortable

[astral kraken]

i've never had much use for short term memento buffs. just ignore them honestly.

i'm not a memento connoisseur though

only ever used it in one build

[hexed steppe]

Well you need 30 to max long.

[astral kraken]

which is pretty trivial to get?

and it's possible to keep it up pretty much indefinitely

[hexed steppe]

And when there is no extra damage, no extra regen that bonus armor can be kinda clutch

[astral kraken]

i guess it depends on the content too. in open world possibly? doesn't take long to get enough trophies so they can play it safe

but thats the problem with memento. if you can play it safe early on then you can play it safe the whole time and just run an all red 😄