td2-build-advice

[tawdry flare]

Nope 5pcs improvised with ninjabike for full set bonus

[slate wedge]

YES

[magic pilot]

How does that give pulse resistance

[slate wedge]

modslots

[magic pilot]

Omg ew

[slate wedge]

5 modslots = 50% pulse res

[magic pilot]

That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard

[tawdry flare]

Nope 50% from spec

[gentle lichen]

Dps is going to cry

[magic pilot]

Would it not be better to just run yaahl at that point😭

5 max pulse mods sounds like a headache

[tawdry flare]

Why this going to be meta

[tawdry flare]

Or 6 9% mods

[magic pilot]

I have 2 on console. I'm going for 5 now I have a mission

[urban latch]

So the Evernote guides that I've written are my content, so if someone asks for a build and I link that, go ahead and broad strokes delete those comments, even though it's relevant to the conversation

[magic pilot]

Chillout and improvised is only 5 mod slots

[tawdry flare]

Improvise

[tawdry flare]

You get mod slots on all pcs

So 6 mod slots if you put chill out 7 mod slots

[magic pilot]

He wants to use with a gearset

Otherwise yaahl is just better

[tawdry flare]

You can use 2 pcs yahl ninja

[tawdry flare]

With 3 pcs 5.11 for hazpro

[rich lotus]

INDEEEEED
As the one the original comment was aimed at, I didn't feel I was being advertised to or 'spammed' in any way. It was necessary to provide a counterpoint in the respect of a specific issue that needed video evidence to discuss further

[hexed steppe]

Isnt this why nug got banned?

[hazy steeple]

I didn't delete the comments, I was the one trying to get them to stay.
Last time I try to do something nice here.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

It's common sense, 100%. And that's not intended as an attack, in saying there isn't common sense at the moment. Please don't take it like that, it's not the intention. It's just to say, it's just a bit more of a human touch

[hexed steppe]

Kinda bullshit rule, when people can direct post video of the exact same thing, but if it happens to be their youtube it's totally not allowed.... jmho

[magic pilot]

Just uninstall

[urban latch]

Wait nug got banned?

[magic pilot]

He got banned?

[vestal ibex]

Is uploading a vid clip okay vs posting a YouTube link to the same clip?

[tawdry flare]

You didn't knew

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[rich lotus]

That's sad. I'd be interested to see some more recent sniping builds of his, I'm still using his Aces one from like 1997 or when he created it

[magic pilot]

Uploading to YT is just easier but if I have to save a video to discord and pay for nitro I'll just do that lol

[magic pilot]

1886 maybe, shortly after they made that rifle

[hexed steppe]

@magic pilot @urban latch
Yes, and its total bs

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

He's in another discord server I'm in I can't remember which one

[tawdry flare]

The division community

[urban latch]

This discord is super perma-ban happy...

[rich lotus]

#FreeNug2023?

[magic pilot]

Thatll get shut down so fast

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lol for some dumb reason

[tawdry flare]

Already tried

[magic pilot]

Start handing out bans for that #

I believe the fist is used by a different organization already

Need a different emoji

[hexed steppe]

🌲 this is the closest they have to a nug

[rich lotus]

If Raucey gets banned and we lose all our builds, everyone will forget how to play and there will be rainbow builds EVERYWHERE

[magic pilot]

No they will keep the sheet still lol

[rich lotus]

People will be maining Lady Death like it's nothing

[magic pilot]

There's 2 people on it that have been banned

At least 2

[vestal ibex]

Even Raucey can't help rainbow builds

[magic pilot]

There's quite a few actually....

[tawdry flare]

Nope people will be using Chad builds with 5.11 and sleigher which will be left as @urban latch 's legacy for the server

[magic pilot]

I think the majority of contributors to the build sheet aren't here anymore

[rich lotus]

I never heard Sleigher mentioned so much until I met you
I'm not sure how to handle this, I think I'm just going to have to be OK with it

[cinder gazelle]

Nah cause they got banned

[vestal ibex]

Memes

[stiff jasper]

Wtf I saw about pvp

[magic pilot]

That's what I mean lol

[magic pilot]

Umbra meta

[tawdry flare]

Nope he meant improvised meta

[cinder gazelle]

No 6pc 511 meta

[magic pilot]

Pulse resistance mod meta

[tawdry flare]

M* Meta

[hexed steppe]

Game's guilty pleasure 🍻

[rich lotus]

Sleigher is so good, the loot goblin runs away from you instead of using it to fight back
Checkmate, memesters

[tawdry flare]

I don't have a pc otherwise I play with sleigher everyday

[cinder gazelle]

The sleigher is meta bro. Trust me with this fact🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tawdry flare]

I even cleared heroic Lincoln memorial with it the time was so amazing

And the accuracy was even more I was melting stuff

[cinder gazelle]

Did you get cookies and milk at the end👀🤣🤣

[tawdry flare]

I got sacrum imperium to deconstruct

[rich lotus]

I feel like I'm being pressured into joining an MLM right now
FINE, I'll save the next one I get

[magic pilot]

Haha happened to pc

[tawdry flare]

It died 🥲

[magic pilot]

Rip

Gaming laptop time

[cinder gazelle]

Damn dude why, that gun is also pvp meta

[tawdry flare]

I don't play PvP

[cinder gazelle]

You should it's fun 🤣🤣🤣 filled with toxicity in the air

[tawdry flare]

Can't PvP if I don't have a pc

[magic pilot]

While there's a ton of people here, how do I get NVIDIA capture to not include discord notifications

[stiff jasper]

Honestly I don't against 6 blue with umbra, but backpack are worst

[onyx sage]

you can turn on focus mode

[cinder gazelle]

Well damn. Are you suffering from division addiction? If so, help is available 🤣

[tawdry flare]

You mean Binoculars mode

[rich lotus]

binoculars

[tawdry flare]

He is not saying binoculars cause if he say that he is gonna get banned

[rich lotus]

Oh dear 🤣 let's trick him into saying it!

[magic pilot]

Are you serious

Got it binoculars mode

[rich lotus]

Unrelated: mildly concerning that all I seem to hear on this discord is 'x is gonna get banned' or 'x is already banned'

[magic pilot]

Instead of recording a monitor

[tawdry flare]

I want to insert Harry Potter meme here

[magic pilot]

Just normal focus mode or perfect focus?

[gentle lichen]

Why is meta so op?

[vestal ibex]

Because this game evolves around ttk so the lower it is the easier the game is and the only fix in their system is to make bullet sponges.

Do that and mass complaints.

[gentle lichen]

Well that but i was talking more about dz meta lol. 6 blue catharsis

[astral kraken]

i thought umbra was meta

someone is lying to me

[vestal ibex]

Meta=I died to in PVP

[gentle lichen]

Absolutely not

[rich lotus]

I agree with what Souless was getting into as well. It's so easy to get Elmo and a decent, standard Striker build - the game's just about as accessible as it's ever been imo
The problem with live service games is the years and years in between some players, you have to balance out not making it oppressive for newbies whilst not trivialising the effort and time the veterans have put in

I played with a dude with a decent Striker/Elmo build, doing really well and melting stuff just fine. I think they were about SHD 180

Compare that with Destiny, and the chunks of the game that a new player can't play anymore (and the hundreds they have to pay to get involved). Someone joining Division 2 today needs about 10 bucks

[gentle lichen]

This is basically your meta for dz

Other versions exist with 2 pc w&h

Everytime i fall back to this build it never fails me

[astral kraken]

that's mine

[gentle lichen]

That's also meta for smg if you put picaro

I assume ceska for the c7?

[astral kraken]

yea before this it was famas and i just dropped in the oreo

no wait, before this it was elmo

before elmo it was famas lol

[gentle lichen]

Yeah that means you can slot in picaro because ouro has exactly 11% more chc than elmo

[astral kraken]

this is my "leave me alone" dz build

[gentle lichen]

I will never give up famas

[astral kraken]

clear all landmarks with blb

if anyone gets too close, brrrrrt

[gentle lichen]

In pc i assumed most metas in dz would be headshot?

[astral kraken]

some people run it yea but there's also a lot of wiggly jiggly stuff

ive personally never been sniped 🤷‍♂️

well once by a nemesis when i started. i was sitting in cover like i was doing pve...

now i just move back and forth a lot and it's frankly kind of annoying to do

not as bad as chicken dancing in div 1 though 😄

[gentle lichen]

You're almost always at risk of being headshotted even in ps

I assumed it would be worse in pc

Can never be stationary for even a second

[rich lotus]

< still loves FAMAS to bits

[astral kraken]

i never liked how the famas looks with an extended mag

looks... weird

[rich lotus]

And let's face it, it can't have any other kind of mag

It reminds me of a really blocky real-life gun that has the mag right at the back. I bet it's a top-heavy nightmare to work with

[tawdry flare]

I want LWM4 and LVOA-C restored to their glory

[gentle lichen]

Never

[astral kraken]

i miss socom m1a :[

[gentle lichen]

Lightweight m4 was my favourite and they made it a rifle 🥲

[tawdry flare]

Yeah such a scam

You put classic weapon in the game and screw them over

[rich lotus]

I miss Pogs. And I suppose I miss pre-nerf M700 Carbon quite a bit too

[fallen comet]

when was m700 nerfed? in d2?

[rich lotus]

Years and years ago now. I'm ancient so every chunk of memory is competing with all the other chunks of memory, but it was a very long time ago

(Yeah, in D2. Right near the start I think)

[stiff jasper]

Not really, advantage of headshot is you can having second attributes to get some functional, for example, hazard
Also, your damage increase by your headshot rate(increase by skill), but not deal crit damage with luck
On the other hand, headshot is not really good for mid long range, except sniper

[long wadi]

it would be really funny if they buffed the chameleon

[rich lotus]

No complaints about that. It's a gorgeous-looking gun

[long wadi]

its crazy when you get it ramped up but the amount of headshots/bodyshots you need is way too much

[shy willow]

Stylistically it's amazing but in practice not really

Which is a shame it looks and sounds so good

[long wadi]

true

it just needs a decrease in shots required to proc buff

and it wouldve been fine

[tawdry flare]

It needs the rpm of a vector

And the range of an ar

[gentle lichen]

And it got the bad parts from both ends

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[gentle lichen]

Smg range and rpm of a famas

[magic pilot]

Crit is meta rn

[magic pilot]

Run picaros drop fox for grupo

It's like 2% more dps

[magic pilot]

Do you main smg on this?

You gotta add me on u connect. I'm getting into div on pc after playing console

[rich lotus]

Is it possible to get 3x red Picaro?

[gentle lichen]

Not possible

[rich lotus]

That's rough

[gentle lichen]

Core attribute can only be blue or yellow

Having capacitor with yellow on picaro can count as a 2.5x reds

Just stole this. Any potential?

[rich lotus]

You're going to have to remortgage the White House to get the mats for that thing

[gentle lichen]

1 ny run is enough

Actually i do have 1 ny char I didn't spend points on

So I'm wondering if this piece can be useful

[onyx sage]

in pve i know it isn't

[gentle lichen]

That settles it

Because i am NOT using spark in pvp

[magic pilot]

Yea it's not worth using

Cool piece to have, I got one as well

[rich lotus]

I kept it in case it randomly becomes OP and I don't have the energy to get griefed in the DZ for one

[paper wagon]

Hey all. Im new to end game, returning player after a couple years, just beat Warlords. What are the recommended builds to grind to get started in endgame?
I started with drone/turret skill build and have most of the pieces, looking for a starter dps build and other support builds.

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned spreedsheet

Strikers and normal HE dps are the go to

[paper wagon]

thanks, what is HE?

[magic pilot]

High end

Usually it's 3 providence, coyotes, Contractors foxes

Ar and a rifle

[grizzled garnet]

anyone got a bruiser (shotgun) build? the one in the spreadsheet is gone

[gentle lichen]

What's bruiser? Heard that term long ago

[grizzled garnet]

i THINK its a shotgun damage build with some blue cores since youre getting close to enemies

[gentle lichen]

HE or HF?

[grizzled garnet]

he

[magic pilot]

Pvp?

[grizzled garnet]

pve

[gentle lichen]

This is for pvp

I assume different talents and amount of blues for pve?

[grizzled garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[magic pilot]

High end shotgun isn't very good in pve

Just use HF

[grizzled garnet]

the backpack in question

[magic pilot]

Can you link the messages you are talking about so I can read for context

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i kinda assumed ad rush and intimidate

[grizzled garnet]

#td2-build-advice message

[magic pilot]

Run that with 4 pc hunters fury, ceska chest with unbreakable

Can go obliterate but it's hard to get max stacks with shotgun

[grizzled garnet]

and full blues or a mix or red and blue?

[magic pilot]

Personal preference

[gentle lichen]

Henri?

[magic pilot]

3/3 should be fine

[grizzled garnet]

oki

[magic pilot]

Could go Henri if you have one

Big crit loss not have ceska with shotgun though

[hexed steppe]

Ide probably still use memento over it on hf

[gentle lichen]

Yeah and you're using a gearset

[magic pilot]

Yea I'm only saying if you really want to use that bp

On a dedicated shotgun build it's gonna be hard to build around

Could work good for a red FI with 1 blue core I guess

[grizzled garnet]

is the courier a craftale item and so where do you get the blueprint from?

[bronze hound]

as its a legacy season blueprint you can only get it from reconstructed caches from descent

[nimble frost]

What would you chose for PVP or PVE? Thanks.

[magic pilot]

The vector

Pvp

Neither in pve

[grizzled garnet]

;-;

[grizzled garnet]

any improvements?

im not max chc YET on my watch

[flint wave]

using a police m4 or carbine 7 in the secondary slot

possibly famas

[grizzled garnet]

whi?

[onyx sage]

ouro is already a decent stack builder, and you can't really cover mid to long range with just ouro, so using an AR is generally a better idea unless you know you're only going to deal with close range

[hazy steeple]

If this is for non-Incursion/not legendary/etc, you might want to consider swapping the chest for a ceska and another piece of Striker instead.
The striker chest is only really needed in somewhat specific high-end play.

[grizzled garnet]

:3

[grizzled garnet]

i do have a non strikers chest version

[hazy steeple]

It's a good idea to have both, honestly the build seems great right now, but they are right, ACS is needed less with Ouro being there and its silly high fire-rate.

If you were swapping out Ouro with Elmo/high-end+ACS, then it's perfect.

[grizzled garnet]

the non striker chest version isnt perfect since it has a random yellow

[urban latch]

If your using the strikers chest stick with acs12

[grizzled garnet]

and if not?

[flint wave]

I'd still run an AR with ouro regardless of stack limit

[urban latch]

Imo an M4 or carbine 7 for long range

What I do for tanker (assuming your using this setup for the incursion) is start the fight with acs12, and then the first gap I have in ads I hot swap it for an M4 with ranger. For all the other fights I just use lefty and ouro

[astral kraken]

Was running zoo with someone who had this build. Trying to evaluate it. It looks like... turret/drone++? Tier 6, PFE, skill damage, hazpro (or expl resist). Shotty for dealing with problematic purples. Enough armor to push through aviary and not die... that's about it?

[gentle lichen]

I do have a similar build to that

#td2-build-advice message

[astral kraken]

It feels like a lot is lost by stacking into PFE. OTOH the memento stacks + gun expertise results in like 3+ red cores?

[gentle lichen]

If they're trying to do damage with weapon it's kinda redundant

[astral kraken]

Yours makes a bit more sense to me.

[gentle lichen]

With this you're basically relying on skills

[onyx sage]

legendary zoo?

[astral kraken]

yea

it was slow going 😄

[gentle lichen]

Whatever makes a player more viable than a meat bag ig

[onyx sage]

yeah pfe is really wasted in zoo

[crisp sierra]

.

[flint wave]

it's a very strange hybrid

[sterile scarab]

been shooting firewall shield. In range getting lower dmg numbers than w/o a shield is it normal?

[onyx sage]

yes, because range is bugged as always

meaning don't test in range

[sterile scarab]

Oh ok thanks man

[round zinc]

why dont we use some world/mission bosses for dps testing?

running to the boss room in lincoln can be done in 4-5 minutes from the start

and foam the boss,shoot armor to get accurate number

yes i can imagine it being tedious requiring 5 minutes to setup a dps dummy but it does sound viable and gives more accurate numbers than the range

[urban latch]

What would you be aiming to get from that test?

[tawdry flare]

You need a foam guy for that

And you need to relocate it every time it dies

[tawdry flare]

IDK Mete Shakeup for testing

[tawdry flare]

Why though range numbers bugs out only for somethings like : sustained dps ,dch shots firewall shield

[round zinc]

just more accurate numbers and maybe to prove a build's viability?
like sure you can bug out merciless in the range to hit like a couple million damage per shot once in a while but how practical is that.
or like the dude just a bit above me that said how firewall shield numbers are somehow lower than with no shields,or sustain dps checks

[tawdry flare]

I am Loading

[round zinc]

i have no experience with this sort of thing but in destiny 2 we use a specific miniboss for a lot of the damage tests

[urban latch]

Are your bullets hitting less damage, or are you comparing the DPS calc at the range with and without?

[urban latch]

The merciless isn't bugging out when it hits a few high numbers, that's just it's talent. I'm going on a limb and guessing that guy above was looking at the range DPS calc, which is quite inaccurate. It's why I personally just use the range to get damage numbers under set conditions that are consistent across other builds I'm testing and comparing, so I'm always comparing apples to apples. Then I plug those numbers into the DPS calc that's pinned here. That way I have comparable numbers I can use to compare different builds.

As far as testing effectiveness, I just run the build in the situation it's setup for. I'm very big on building for specific situations, instead of just throwing together a build and then trying to find where it's effective. If I want a build that's setup for Lincoln bosses I'll test it there, but that test doesn't necessarily tell me much if I'm planning on using it in other certain situations

[tawdry flare]

Same goes for my Sleigher testing

[astral kraken]

The one thing I wish I could easily test/practice is rav stacking. Anything armor plated in open world dies before I can build enough stacks.

[round zinc]

understandable,i guess i didn't look into it enough

[sterile scarab]

Hi all firewall says it boosts dmg. In range I was shooting oro at max stacks with shield equipped/ with shield non equipped. The figures per shot are less using the dmg boosting shield

I will test in CD for confirmation and let you know

[round zinc]

it only boosts damage if your target is within the orange cone that appears when you use the shield.
it is possible that your target is out of range for the shield's cone to work since its like 5m

[sterile scarab]

Oh ok I didn't know that too

[round zinc]

with all the right mods you can look at 12% boost minimum if the target is in the cone.i think

[urban latch]

That would be news to me then. Normally the firewall buff just isn't applied in the range, I think because the line of sight is considered blocked or something. But lower bullet numbers would be odd

[round zinc]

bro got the -13% bonus damage mod on his shield

[tawdry flare]

How lol you get like +2.5% for OC and 5% base and 5% with mod

[round zinc]

idk Einstein he got less damage with the shield on

[sterile scarab]

Appreciate your feedback. I guess I'm doing something wrong.

[urban latch]

Without firewall numbers

and with

[tawdry flare]

They are the same

[urban latch]

Im not sure whats going on, but I guess double check nothing else is changing, no varying buffs, etc

[sterile scarab]

@urban latch much appreciated

[tawdry flare]

Hey raucey have you noticed in range if you throw grenade beside you you get hurt but if you throw it on sandbag you don't take DMG

[urban latch]

no lol

[tawdry flare]

You can try with concussion grenade

I think the sandbags are different planes of existence

[round zinc]

so i noticed something with the target dummy and that at 5m it is literally on the edge of the firewall's cone

[tawdry flare]

You can change your range

And try changing angel

[cyan drift]

it's weird build o'clock again

[cyan drift]

the game is already voicing its opinion

[astral kraken]

I’ll take 5 please. Gift wrapped.

[cyan drift]

I've come up with many new sentences but "I'm farming repair skills on strikers" is definitely a new one

[urban latch]

just because you can doesnt mean you should

[cyan drift]

just because I can means I will 👀

it's actually not that bad besides the 93R being the mouse-breaker it always has been

this is actually really good

and I don't even have two of the repair skill rolls yet

[urban latch]

I dont believe you lol

[cyan drift]

"really" good might be a stretch, but it's kind of fun so far

it's definitely a mouse-breaker build for sure

it also works just cause striker is super OP

you could do full yellow strikers and it's still be pretty OP

if you're good at managing targets and cover, this is actually kind of fun for run-and-gun in close-range missions

[shy willow]

What on earth

[cyan drift]

thing is, strikers is so broken, you can make almost literally anything effective with an ACS-13

so it's legitimately good to corner one dude, pepper them full of salt, and then run around like a juggernaut with way too many self-heals

[forest forum]

Yeah I've done striker on six skill tier and I loved it. Just got so tired of rogue agents. I've done it too with true patriot, and that was awesome but i kept crashing my game so I've moved on to striker. Now i just mix it up with weapon damage and skill tier along with ninjabike messenger. That still works great too with striker. I don't get rogue agents with that backpack thankfully, esp avoiding six skill tier. It's gets kinda boring so with weapon damage for me, using chatterbox box with striker at least keeping it interesting for me. But don't mind ppl, some have big - opinions on skill tier. Some get it, some don't.

[cyan drift]

I'm used to people being less-than-skeptical of what I've done in the past

if I listened to them, I wouldn't have 3 of my favorite builds, so

[forest forum]

I'm always open to trying new things, but if it doesn't work it just doesn't work. What works for one just might not make cut for someone else.

[cyan drift]

Here's some of my builds people have told me not to run/suck/shouldn't try/etc that, turns out, are pretty fun to run. Of course, they aren't conventional a lot of the time (or even close), and people often don't see the point in trying. A fair number of the builds don't work the first try, or the second try, or the third try, and some never work how I wish they would (Frenzy GR9 for example).

They're not gonna break any records, clear a raid, beat legendary, set a new standard, or be viable at every type of content you could run into, but god dammit are they fun

and fun is the only stat I care about, there's no hard % cap on that (that I know of)

I'd be SHD 3000 if I cared about a lot of the stuff other people do, this is what I do, and I just like seeing people's reactions sometimes (including my own when something actually works)

sometimes you just gotta get weird with it, at least for me anyway

[vestal ibex]

No expertise on anything tho? Have you put any expertise on a regulus even?

[cyan drift]

I don't bother with expertise most of the time, simply because I bounce around way too much to actually pour resources into anything

the only reoccuring thing in any of those builds (besides skills and spec) is the Capacitor

I have something like 30 builds saved

[forest forum]

You definitely tried more than me.

[vestal ibex]

Regulus deserves some expertise...

[cyan drift]

you're gonna hate this picture but-

most of the time I used it was before expertise came out, that's the only reason its not proficient yet

[vestal ibex]

I saw your ouro wasn't proficient either lol

[cyan drift]

yea cause I don't use it

[vestal ibex]

Well the regulus really shines. Ouro just helps with speed runs.

[cyan drift]

my issue with those guns is, every time I use them in a build, every single person who responds with feedback wants to make the build all about the regulus or whatever other meta gun is there

[vestal ibex]

I mean I don't care if people wanna use less than ideal builds because they find them fun. I just have a goal and that's usually doing content quickly so my builds follow that idea.

[cyan drift]

and that works

similarly, I have no interest in that

that's the best part about this game

[vestal ibex]

I guess I just wonder what you do with your extra mats if not spending them to make gear better.

[cyan drift]

I'm single-handedly causing an electronics shortage

I have 7000 titanium, I don't even know what it's for

oh optimization crafts, that explains a lot

[forest forum]

These 3 are old, the last one I used in a Legendary which I ended up switching to strikers all skill tier so I could help. We completed the mission and I was the only one that didn't keep dropping. Even had my fixer drone on the person with all weapon damage.

[cyan drift]

I also don't have a whale character to drop into countdown for two hours, which then dumps everything into my expertise table

I have my main guy, an experimental guy, my level 1 armor guy (who is my gun storage atm), and the level 1 everything person (currently level 26)

other thing @vestal ibex is that I simply do not have time to drop into countdown for a few hours to farm expertise, and if I do, I usually spend it doing other things

[forest forum]

This my most recent, bit boring for me but trying out diff stuff for the Chatterbox. So far I find it only good with strikers. My best one is without an exotic build at all. 4pc stricker, obliterate for chest and perfectly unstoppable force for bag has been by far faster than st elmos.

[cyan drift]

chatterbox is so good but it is sooooooo tedious to use, it hurts

ouroboros also slightly obsoleted it, cause it does the exact same thing at a flat rate with no strings attached

[forest forum]

Lol yep especially in countdown for me

[astral kraken]

If it works for you that's great. My only issue is when people bring builds like that into group play and someone else needs to pick up the slack. The way I deal with it is just reframe it as an "extra challenge" and actually end up enjoying myself. But it does lock me into certain builds that I might not be in the mood to play (for example nego focus or seeker spam).

[cyan drift]

I will never bring a build that gimps a team

The only way I will have one is if I'm stuck on it, because people keep getting into combat

[astral kraken]

That said I don't care what the build is as long as it carries weight. I always check others builds in matchmaking and choose around it.

[vestal ibex]

I rarely run countdown. I just kill things quickly. When I was speed running IH I used to put weapons on I needed to get proficient cause you get so many kills running railyard lol

[forest forum]

I don't have ouroboros but I've seen another player used one in groups. Definitely worth getting. Can't even imagine how swell that be with striker on all six skill tier.

[cyan drift]

I love seeing expertise farming builds

people trying to make a build that has at least some slight coherency when it's clear it's an expertise farming build 🤣

I run nearly only healer during countdown at this point, cause there's always at least five of these every round

[astral kraken]

Revive and shield is soooo bad for CD

[cyan drift]

welcome to CD

[astral kraken]

Foam > Shield

[cyan drift]

I didn't actually take the picture of that person's build because of their build, I took it because their player looked amazing (and as overly-chaotic as mine)

this is my spirit animal

[astral kraken]

that's hot

saved by the bell

[cyan drift]

seeing my dumpster fire of a fashion choice running behind his was great

two trainwrecks and a dream

but anyway yes

my fun largely comes from trying weird stuff with builds a lot

there's people like souless who speedrun stuff, and everyone inbetween

that's why this game is great 👀

[astral kraken]

i love seeing team synergy, even if it's a bit slower

nothing more boring than 4 striker builds lol

[cyan drift]

My favorite thing to see is the wacko as hell builds speedrunners come up with to fill four roles at once

[forest forum]

I enjoy expertise on my gear. I can tell a difference when i don't use a build without it. I don't go to CD without any skill tier tho lol. Gotta love and hate how some roll in CD. Heroic are my favorites. The challenge isn't as challenging until you get ppl who don't know anything. Otherwise its usually fun. Heroic the challenging one for me now. I go back and forth between the two. But I love CD.

[cyan drift]

like jammer pulse and riot foam on a 4/3 core split, with a regulus, virginian, and FAMAS, a dodge city holster, etc etc

[vestal ibex]

Overwatch haz pro EP firewall

[cyan drift]

yup

[vestal ibex]

My funkiest speed build too this date.

[cyan drift]

the first guy to beat wright solo, made that build immediately, an I don't steal builds almost ever

I put a sleigher on my tank builds because it's one of two guns that is a get-out-of-jail free card for your shield breaking

and it's not exotic so, scorpio ftw

[astral kraken]

hot swapping never ceases to amaze me. such good add control they have time to swap to a different build manually. i tried it a few times and it was so stressful lol

[cyan drift]

shoots stickybomb into ground opens menu scrolls down exactly 6 loadouts hits enter gets into cover to trigger overwatch

and that's in like... mayyybe two seconds

and it's within a four second window between add waves

using wipes to get to doors faster, also incredible to watch

I wanted to try speedrunning air and space museum until I saw that the world record is 2 1/2 minutes

[astral kraken]

well i think a lot of it is about beating your own personal time

[forest forum]

I'm working my way to do speedruns. They can really be fun and quickest way to lvl up.

[sullen sun]

Decent build for the Ravenous?

[cyan drift]

ravenous is a tough gun to build around

[wise patio]

Ok but better off red core if you know how to play well. But damage wise it isnt the best build.

Striker is also another option for better rof

But suggest you to have assault rifle as second option.

[tawdry flare]

No need to go crazy just put on 5 pcs 5.11

[rich lotus]

There it is

I got a really nice 5.11 piece with Creeping Death on it. I've only held onto it for the memes, honestly

[tawdry flare]

Should post the pic

[rich lotus]

I should!

[slate wedge]

my new DZ build

should be pretty solid

will be going for blue foxes aswell

[grizzled wind]

whats rhe 2nd sokolov bonus?

[tawdry flare]

15% crit DMG

[grizzled wind]

hmm im prob gonna try to go grupo + matador then

got some armor pieces to farm

[rich lotus]

I wonder if it's not worth passively earning Yaahl pieces wherever you can, and pushing into a Catharsis/Matador/pulse resistance build

I still think PR is the way to go in regards to DZ builds

[grizzled wind]

the other option was looking at was picaros + brazoz chest

[slate wedge]

yeah, i just started doing pvp so i don't have any yaahl pieces rn

[rich lotus]

It's all good, you've got this ❤️

[grizzled wind]

i do have a red core perf matador

[slate wedge]

why not sokolov + matador, would make more sense

[slate wedge]

same

[grizzled wind]

its not smg only

longer range its ar

[slate wedge]

true, i will probably only be using the oreo tbf

since i am running a close range build anyways

[grizzled wind]

i have to check what skills get from tier 2 and 3

maybe 2x brazoz and or technician could be solid

[rich lotus]

I have a crackpot thing I want to try, I'm not sure how it's going to work but screw it. I want to set up a Striker build with blue cores, Matador and Ouro. Maybe Picaro

It's going to do silly numbers regardless, and I might be able to use Ouro's trait to proc Galvanize from time to time if that was an option

[slate wedge]

i would honestly go for backpack +unbreakable chest

[grizzled wind]

matador and unbreak is my plan

but im not fully sure which chest pieces i use

[rich lotus]

(My idea wasn't in terms of DZ, I should've specified that)
The issue is that he's posted the same video about half a dozen times, but his core principle is pretty solid. Kamikaze Von Doom made a decent video about a DZ build, it's essentially that. Catharsis, Unbreakable + Adrenaline, rest are Yaahl pieces. Maxed out pulse resistance, played sneaky and kept distance

[grizzled wind]

or chest holster gloves as yaahl

fox prayers, catharsis, matador

can we cd farm yaahl?

[rich lotus]

No 😦 the best I've been able to do is craft some decent stuff through the blueprints

[gentle lichen]

Yeah no

[grizzled wind]

weird isnt brazoz also dz only?

[slate wedge]

whats the main DZ sniper build?

[tawdry flare]

Nope that is yahl and system corruption

[gentle lichen]

I met that guy in conflict absolutely got demolished with his trash build then posted on youtube highlighting the clips where he only kills lmao

[grizzled wind]

ahh ok ty

[tawdry flare]

You mean KVD 👀

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

Shoot him in the head for me when you face him again

[rich lotus]

That's nuts. There's no way PR isn't the best way of doing it

[gentle lichen]

3/2/1 with pgc and mantis and white death no scope is pretty good

[tawdry flare]

What about wd?

Cause mantis is weird sometimes

[gentle lichen]

For you to popshot which is op if you have god aim

[gentle lichen]

Mantis I believe keeps its 50% amp even when shot by players

[tawdry flare]

On pc may be possible

[gentle lichen]

I always headshot for 3m plus

[tawdry flare]

Nice

[gentle lichen]

Aim assist on console actually makes it cancer

If your crosshair is centimetres away from the head then you aim it will simply aimbot at the head for 2 seconds until you shoot

[tawdry flare]

Bruh that is cheating tbh

Good thing we don't have crossplay

[slate wedge]

it actually aims to the middle of the body, atleast without scopes

[gentle lichen]

It does that for the head too

[tawdry flare]

So basically consoles have aimbots

as a part of the game

[slate wedge]

look at this

really annoying when trying to do reg HHF

[rich lotus]

(No, it's not true. Aim assist for snipers on consoles isn't 'cancer' at all. Its other limitations in comparison to M&K make it nothing more than a slight help)

[thin patrol]

and aiming with the eyes is fun, but not so accurate.

[uncut wind]

Hey guys. Does anybody have a build with decent damage/armor that I could use? I'm a returning player so I'm kinda lost.

[heady ember]

Striker,nego dilemma or Heartbreaker i would say.you can check them out in the spreadsheat.

[heady ember]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1380412817

[uncut wind]

thanks

[shy willow]

If you want damage and armour I'd suggest heartbreaker

[astral kraken]

Just make a red DPS or all red Striker and use cover with a shield. Heartbreaker is going to limit you.

You'll get stuck in situations where you can't build HB stacks and/or HB stacks won't be enough to survive.

[uncut wind]

alright, thanks.

[solar venture]

Can you proc skilled with Vile ticks?

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[rich lotus]

You can't proc Creeping Death with Vile ticks?

[onyx sage]

no

vile ticks are a debuff, not a status

[hexed steppe]

It's the status that procs vile that will also proc creeping death

[rich lotus]

Dang. Every day is a school day

So if the status doesn't run out before the ticks do(?) that's what procs Creeping Death and not the ticks

[hexed steppe]

The death spread from eclipse can proc a secondary creeping spread. Or a status initial application

If it runs out before death it wont proc

[rich lotus]

Oh right, I should've mentioned it was an Eclipse build specifically

Man, you folks know your stuff

[hexed steppe]

But on creeping you really dont want to use vile. Creeping only really good on cc type builds. If using fire you want ep bag and vile. The amp drives vile up.
Currently I'm kinda not even recommending creeping on cc builds either tbh... I've started using a opportunistic bag and it's way more helpful than a bit of extra spread.

[rich lotus]

Interesting. I've got even more backpack farming to do then 😵‍💫

I'm guessing you're twinning Opportunistic with Scorpio?

[hexed steppe]

Did you run any heroic control points in the las week or so and get a setup bag blueprint? 😉

Yes and sledgehammer

[rich lotus]

Oh that's not so bad actually. I have a perfect Setup, and haven't done anything with it

[hexed steppe]

Dont mind the hazpro rolls. I only use it in countdown but its applicable with status rolls and eletrique mask in different content

I just like 100% hazpro for hunter jams

[astral kraken]

Worth noting that creeping is very valuable if you memorized spawn points and your team knows to camp those spawns.

A good CC should know the spawns

And a good-CC-in-training should be learning them 🙂

Sometimes enemies bolt out of the door at light speed if they don't get glued immediately.

No one ever shoots the EP trigger guy you foam first 😭😭😭

[hexed steppe]

Idt I'll ever end up back on creeping tbh.
Opportunistic has been way too good. Between that and scorpio I'm able to get more amp on some targets than I do with the ep bag 😎

[astral kraken]

Yea the debuff is no joke. Very strong choice. It's just that when I run with strong DPS builds it's not even needed. All situational.

[tawdry flare]

I have a status and repair skill and status hazpeo setup

[hexed steppe]

Now you need a status/haste,
Or my favorite hazpro/haste

[tawdry flare]

Don't need them status is better than haste cause i can spam haste mods

[rich lotus]

How many of those pieces are 5.11?

[astral kraken]

Yes.

[rich lotus]

I appreciate how stupid a question that was

[tawdry flare]

Mhh I haven't checked my inventory for like 7-8 days but I have 2 god rolled death grips with crit DMG and chance and an all red 5.11 build

Need to farm a healer build but can't play the game 🥲

[rich lotus]

I've been told I'm the healer for the next incursion run, so same 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Yeah 1s on foam is really game changing 🤣 .

But why status/repair setup? Doesnt compute, just returns an error 🤔

I can see haste or crit on an fi , not status tho

[tawdry flare]

For hybrid eclipse builds with healer or fi foam and hive combo

[hexed steppe]

The fuck? 🤣 explains why it didnt compute

[dreamy valve]

Does Hollow Man affect Oxydizer damage?

[onyx sage]

no

[grizzled wind]

best i can build for pvp atm

[gentle lichen]

Unbreakable instead of obliterate

[grizzled garnet]

isnt catharsis also nice to have?

[gentle lichen]

That'd make the build 4/2

I mean if they're comfortable with that by all means

OH i meant using coyote's

[grizzled garnet]

wdym 4/2

isnt cath blue core

[gentle lichen]

Yeah yeah i was talking about coyote's

[delicate flare]

Can anyone help me with a raid build I'm new and just trying to get into them

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc, bunch of build guides in there. The main raid did build is the standard DPS build but the striker build can also work and is a bit simpler to put together

[delicate flare]

Thank you very helpful just what I looking for

[magic pilot]

Grupo gloves

[clever merlin]

for eclipse cc builds do yall use technician or survivalist

[hexed steppe]

survivalist

gives team 10% damage to status affected targets

pretty solid on any version of eclipse tbh

[slate wedge]

this max damage?

[gentle lichen]

Pve?

[slate wedge]

yeah, for pvp i'll switch to sacrifice and third piece hotshot instead of holster

[hazy steeple]

The 3rd gearset bonus for Hotshot is +30% HSD, you really should use that.

[slate wedge]

instead of what?

[hazy steeple]

IIRC the "peak" build is something like Chainkiller/Vig (Arialdi)/Fox and then 3pc Hotshot. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

[slate wedge]

headhunter only stacks off of weapon damage, not hsd

[slate wedge]

yalready got that but contractors are a bit better even

since 1.1 x 1.08 instead of 1.18

[hazy steeple]

It's important to remember that Contractor's only works on enemies that have the white bar over their health, whereas Foxs works on every enemy that's not glued to cover.

darn keyboard. Anyway, either one is good.

[slate wedge]

to be fair, reds always get oneshot anyways and tanks will always get oneshot after armor breaks

[onyx sage]

the 30% hsd even if it only applies to shot damage is still worth it over 2p hotshot

[slate wedge]

so ratzher go for 30% hsd rather than 15% weapon damage

[onyx sage]

the best version of it rn is 3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi

[slate wedge]

no contractors?

[onyx sage]

nope, still less damage

[slate wedge]

ok done, only need an airaldi chest

[magic pilot]

3 hotshot 2 habs 1 Airaldi or contractors or sawyers

[slate wedge]

i am running 3HS/2HB/1WH now

[magic pilot]

WH is chainkiller?

[slate wedge]

yes

[magic pilot]

thats fine then

[rancid pendant]

does the 2 improvised X 4 high end build any better on DZ than the high end sets? (improvised and insert protection from elites)

[gentle lichen]

You don't use pfe in dz

You use impro in dz just for crit mods

Chd to be exact

[glossy scarab]

i use 3 improvs for an 80% pfe build for countdown. w scorpio still crits 850k. 54% chc 142% chd. all red but hardly take any damage

[forest forum]

I gotten obsessed with building around hazard protection and armor/health regen. Definitely don't need the fixer drone. Very surprisingly how well it works in CD!!! Must try if haven't!

[glossy scarab]

yeah i put together a 90% explosive resistance/armor regen build. has sawyers knees and demolitionist spec so theres double protection against stagger. regens like 71k per second.

[forest forum]

This is my for now.

[glossy scarab]

nice. i only use the pfe build if im feeling lazy and just trying to farm some gear and some coin to buy exotic caches

[forest forum]

Half the time I'm just doing CD for fun, but definitely trying to find a better ceska for my mask and gloves for now. Got two 5.11 and belstone chest with ninjabike for bag.

[slate wedge]

i use adrush/intimidate

[astral kraken]

someone else will need to do the dps for you 🤷‍♂️

build doesnt buff team, doesnt kill things fast

only buffs own bad decisions

unless it's chall difficulty then ignore me 😄

[tawdry flare]

I ran 5.11 in heroic CD once

[astral kraken]

weird flex 😂

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Flex 💪😎

[fallen comet]

why would you though

[flint wave]

it's the best gearset

[fallen comet]

brand*

[astral kraken]

brandset

[brazen elbow]

could anyone help me get a somewhat decent build?

[tawdry flare]

What type of build you want ? Healer Crowd control or DPS all your questions can be answered in the pinned spreadsheet in the channel

[brazen elbow]

i dont really know how all that stuff works lol

[tawdry flare]

So you just I want to kill things

[patent fossil]

Open the pinned spreadsheet, check the links in the hub tab, pick something that sounds like fun

[brazen elbow]

pretty much yeah

then comes the task of actually obtaining such equiptment

i mean im trying to get the st elmos engine but idk how

i mean it sounds like a fun gun

[tawdry flare]

First clear Warlords of New York dlc than you can unlock grind mode

[patent fossil]

Countdown is a good place to farm most gear, and the coins you get can be spent on exotic caches

[brazen elbow]

im pretty sure i already beat that

[brazen elbow]

i havent played for a while so i forgot where most things are

[brazen elbow]

this?

[brazen elbow]

if clearing it is beating all 5 main missiosn then yes, what now? @tawdry flare

[tawdry flare]

Yeah than you can play countdown to farm what you want go the the pinned spreadsheet look for a striker or hunters fury build

[brazen elbow]

and how much of my life will i have to waste before i get what i need?

[tawdry flare]

COUNTDOWN allows you to farm what you want

[brazen elbow]

how so?

[tawdry flare]

With countdown it is pretty quick now depending on the pcs like striker for example maybe 30-40 mins for build

[tawdry flare]

Cause you can select what item will drop

[brazen elbow]

oh

and where do i do that?

[tawdry flare]

Choose the loot to striker

Ahh you can see countdown symbol on right of your map a circle saying countdown right?

[brazen elbow]

when do i select it?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh you started it

When you go in Press M than Press H

And select the loot which is striker in this case

[brazen elbow]

which one

[patent fossil]

Green one looks like a revolver barrel

[brazen elbow]

strikers battlegear?

[patent fossil]

... Yeah

[brazen elbow]

k

am i guaranteed to get something?

[patent fossil]

just run it and you'll see, follow the group and grab everything you can

[magic pilot]

cylinder

[patent fossil]

only takes like 20m max

[patent fossil]

yes, that. I'm not exactly a gun nerd.

[brazen elbow]

i didnt get anything >:(

[patent fossil]

I doubt you did a round of countdown and didn't get anything, unless you left it just lying on the floor

[magic pilot]

all good lol

[patent fossil]

minigun barrels maybe, would make more sense than revolver for strikers

[hexed steppe]

CD gives 30+ items a round... you need to pickup stuff, its not automatic

[brazen elbow]

oh

[tawdry flare]

Also keep wary of drops that are red it highlights exos which are pretty rare

[brazen elbow]

k

[tawdry flare]

Also you can favorite item so you don't sell them or deconstruct them

[brazen elbow]

oh thats nice

[tawdry flare]

Feel free to ask your doubts here 😉

[brazen elbow]

i mean i could use someone to show me how to do countdown properly

[tawdry flare]

Ahh you can go to #lfg-pc

[brazen elbow]

alr did

no reply

[astral kraken]

Look up "division 2 countdown guide" on YT and you'll find lots of good videos.

Then when you load in just pick a person and follow them everywhere. If they die a lot follow someone else 😛

And shoot what they shoot.

[tawdry flare]

You under @blissful rampart guidance with that emoji

[magic pilot]

Haven't seen Azur around in a little bit

[shy willow]

I was thinking that

[magic pilot]

Probably busy with the holiday

[hexed steppe]

Just start gushing how epic perfect focus build are and I bet he turns up 😂

[shy willow]

Perfect focus on leggy is epic tbf

[astral kraken]

It's my sigh, fine I'll put on focus nego build

when the team is struggling

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart miss you #5.11 rocks

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[tawdry flare]

Self promotion perfect Binoculars build

[grizzled garnet]

iron lung useful for any builds?

[bronze hound]

any build a weapon works with

[sullen sun]

I need a secondary weapon for Negotiators

[rich lotus]

Carbine 7 with Flatline

[sullen sun]

I’m using god roll FAL with flat

So two ARs?

[rich lotus]

I would, yeah. Both Flatline, though I'm not sure how rigid the build is (I'm sticking heavily to Raucey's build in the spreadsheet)

Also recommends the standard stuff (Elmo, Ouro) though I'm not sure those two help as much

[grizzled garnet]

busy little bee any good for any builds?

[hexed steppe]

M1a classic, m1a cqb. Flatline if tech class , boomerang for other classes

[sullen sun]

Acs with flat?

Wb M4?

Or M16

[hexed steppe]

Not acs on nego

[sullen sun]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

Go m1a. Cqb can be spammed for really high dps but also gives you a ranged weapon if needed

If it really just for shtf situations and your maining a highend ar then Scorpio fits as well

[sullen sun]

M4, M16?

[hexed steppe]

How I roll I'll use a few classes tho

You dont really want 2 weapons that use the same ammunition

[sullen sun]

I’m using Cesks with spotter

[sullen sun]

True

[hexed steppe]

I used to use spotter/flatline before elmo. C7 flatline is really nice

[sullen sun]

This for PvP?

[hexed steppe]

No pve

[sullen sun]

Why do ppl use the color filter?

Color blind setting

[hexed steppe]

Oh colorblind, it shows a visible white radius on different things like emp posts (like in summit), grenades, chem launcher stuff

[sullen sun]

Interesting

[astral kraken]

its so uggglyyyy

[hexed steppe]

Negative 😎

[sullen sun]

Agreed lol

[hexed steppe]

You guys are no fun 🍻 , enjoy basic green

[sullen sun]

Controversial question

Ridgeways

Use or do not?

In PvP

And is there an ideal build?

[grizzled garnet]

what minor stats are on the gearset pieces? armor regen or haz pro?

[sullen sun]

That a raid build?

[grizzled garnet]

tank build

[astral kraken]

There's a ridgeways in the PvP build list https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=f50645df-c0af-52ac-4cce-97025c37190a&noteKey=tzmM1Vr1LY9ZmRcm0l238ob1_uoT5yqpDeIA3IFRabdEItBiKzp5oA3zDA&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Ff50645df-c0af-52ac-4cce-97025c37190a%2FtzmM1Vr1LY9ZmRcm0l238ob1_uoT5yqpDeIA3IFRabdEItBiKzp5oA3zDA&title=Basic%2BPVP%2BStarters%2BGuide%2B%2528TU19%2529

I've used it. Not bad.

[urban latch]

6 haz pro rolls get you to 100% haz pro. Rest is regen

[grizzled garnet]

oki

its not perfect but in 1 countdown run i can get the gearset set

[urban latch]

Without the haz pro on the knees you can swap the gloves for 1p yaahl

[grizzled garnet]

slight issue. i dont got one

that'll be like... 20 countdown runs

[astral kraken]

Question about the Protector talent: it says that bonus armor is provided for 3s and there's a cooldown of 3s. Is there a sliver of time between the cooldowns where teammates won't have bonus armor? Assume my shield is being continuously shot at.

[urban latch]

You can't get yaahl from countdown. You can but it from vendors and deconstruct for materials to craft them.

[grizzled garnet]

gah dammit

[onyx sage]

there is a slight cooldown, but depending on which other talents you are pairing protector with, it may not be an issue

[grizzled garnet]

okokok i COULD use a yahhl holder right?

[sullen sun]

Why do ppl use survivalist?

[grizzled garnet]

and cavalier (???) gloves

[sullen sun]

Mainly

[astral kraken]

What pairs well with Protector?

[hexed steppe]

A 2nd ceska will be the same as yaahl

[onyx sage]

tbh, not much because galvanize is better kek the most direct pairing is with intimidate on your dps roles

[astral kraken]

+15% outgoing healing (for healers)
Group members get +10% damage to status effected enemies
+10% PFE (for PFE builds)
The spec weapon breaks armor plates in one shot

[grizzled garnet]

gloves and coyotes go to cav and then its good?

[astral kraken]

Wasn't intimidate nerfed?

[grizzled garnet]

aside from the knees

[onyx sage]

and considering how in practice you can't control how often you get shot, it's not very practical

[astral kraken]

Ok well back to adrush for meeeee yaaay

[sullen sun]

The DTTOC is for you as well?

[urban latch]

Fire grenades to combine with the +10% damage to status effected enemies and sledgehammer is the most important reason

[astral kraken]

Nope just teammates

[onyx sage]

intimidate was nerfed in the sense that it's now a ramp-up talent, but the actual damage ceiling is actually buffed because of how they coded the stacking

[sullen sun]

What a bummer

[astral kraken]

omg I'm stupid, that's not survivalist

[onyx sage]

not 10% dttooc, just 10% amp

[astral kraken]

yes i'm stupid

[sullen sun]

So on nego should I use Lefty with it?

[astral kraken]

There I fixed it. It never happened.

Everyone delete their messages. Wipe it clean.

[onyx sage]

survivalist doesn't affect yourself, so it's mostly in group play when you have teammates that can benefit from your support capabilities

[astral kraken]

I remember testing it out and had a really hard time keeping it up.

[onyx sage]

in open world, i have really good fun running it with bloodsucker

[sullen sun]

Makes sense considering the class

[onyx sage]

but yeah it's harder to keep max stack intimidate now

[urban latch]

Not too much reason to use left with nego

[onyx sage]

it's still very strong, provided you can keep bonus armor

[astral kraken]

So here's what I'm really trying to do...

Whenever I do last stage of tidal either with friends or matchmaking... everyone switches to blueberry builds and scorpios. Then everyone thonk thonk thonks until everything is dead. Fine, whatever.

This is the build I've been using so far and it works fine but I'm annoyed at the damage output.

[sullen sun]

Could you use Ravenous with it?

[urban latch]

Rav is used on nego for certain one shots

[onyx sage]

this looks more tuned for survivability

[astral kraken]

This what I'm experimenting with now and it sorta sucks. I'm thinking of putting adrush back on the backpack and just running it with chc/chd.

[astral kraken]

Yea pretty much. Since last stage of tidal is all elites I think that's why people do it. It's impossible to die and eventually you kill everything. I ran it a few times with proper build variety and it was muuuuch faster, but no one does it that way lately.

So my thinking is ditch the hazpro/explresist and replace with chc/chd. Keep everything else. I've seen builds like that before. I don't think I'll need to worry about chunga backpacks or grenade dogs if I move around well.

Or maybe a PFE striker? I dunno.

[onyx sage]

if you want more bonus armor, try using bloodsucker. the way it gives you stacks is commonly misunderstood; every kill increases the max bonus armor you get, so the bonus armor you get increases every kill, up to 100% bonus armor per kill

this paired with intimidate will give you more damage overall

[astral kraken]

You think that can work in the scenario I'm describing? Not saying it won't, just trying to imagine it.

[onyx sage]

if your team holds their weight, i can imagine yes

pfe striker will also work as well in tidal but in group play i personally go for more damage

[astral kraken]

I'm a little worried about doing more damage than everyone else because you know what happens when you're the biggest damage dealer lol

But yea this is food for thought. Will try some stuff out, thanks.

This is also specifically for last stage of tidal. For the rest of the mission I run my usual kit and it's fine.

[onyx sage]

yeah i know. try bloodsucker out

[deep pendant]

Hey coming back to the game after a long time, think last time i played was when countdown released, I had fun with a burn build. Is there any new gear for this kinda build?

[astral kraken]

Look what I found laying around the stash 😄

[grizzled garnet]

this of any use?

[onyx sage]

nice

[hexed steppe]

there is new burn build gear but its not very good. stick with eclipse protocol if you want to burn entire rooms

[deep pendant]

oh thanks!

[sullen sun]

Anybody wanna share their hazard PvP build?

[gentle lichen]

@sullen sun

Firewall spec btw and ignore skills

AND acs lmao

I put the hazpro build very quickly

[magic pilot]

That's crazy lol

That's what you send him for hazpro

Setting him up to fail

[gentle lichen]

I got a high-end version but it's 80%

[gentle lichen]

Supposed to fire back status at them

Can put a shock resist mod to become fully immune

And you can switch spec to demo for fire immunity too

[sullen sun]

How could I make this better?

[round zinc]

Make what better

[glossy scarab]

100 % pulse resist and hazpro

[magic pilot]

Ew just stop

[bronze hound]

My fav part about that build is how a mortar will just chew through it

[tawdry flare]

Or a sniper

[stiff jasper]

They won't

They would keep sending shit and pollute the community until everyone use trash build

[glossy scarab]

get over yourselvesl. its a solo landmark farming build. i didn't consider your hypothetical threats to my build as i was putting it together.

[stiff jasper]

Any trash build can clear landmark since it's easy stuff so 6 piece striker are workable

[glossy scarab]

well shit youre not wrong about that

[stiff jasper]

And now I recommend people use 6 pieces hb, 6 piece fernis and 6 piece everything

[glossy scarab]

why would there be 6 gear pieces per set if you werent supposed to use them all

[shy willow]

6 pcs 5.11

[stiff jasper]

I only group with my friend so,~~ how trash of those build people use, none of my business ~~

[stiff jasper]

Rich build

[tawdry flare]

Meta shaking builds

[shy willow]

6 pcs all red 5.11 ultimate flex

True power

[tawdry flare]

you are feeling the force of 5.11

[thick wren]

Is there any1 on PC willing to add me and help me farm in the Summit maybe? Im lvl 40 since yesterday so u can tell me what gearset should i look for, ty

[flint wave]

then you get pulsed

[stiff jasper]

I don't even need pulse to tracking people 🙂

[flint wave]

decoy my beloved

[gentle lichen]

Aggro then flag up

Ez free pulse

[brazen elbow]

how much higher can this go? (previous hit was 11M)

i have 4 striker gear pieces and a 1.7M nemesis

[tawdry flare]

Strikers is not the right gearset for this with proper sniper build you can hit for 55million

[brazen elbow]

well im just messing around, but would this build be good for a st elmo?

[brazen elbow]

how so?

[tawdry flare]

It needs some modifications first get the strikers bag not this bag

[brazen elbow]

i mean this one gives me the extra armor that i could very much use

okay, what else?

[tawdry flare]

You really don't need armour if the NPCs are dead

Don't use 6pcs of any gearset

[brazen elbow]

y?

[tawdry flare]

4 are the max

[brazen elbow]

you told me to put on the bag

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

But I am talking about which 4 pcs should you choose

The bag is a must

[brazen elbow]

i see

chestplate is also nice

makes the max be 200%

[tawdry flare]

Not really you can get other chest pcs that will give more values cause you rarely get to 200%

Strikers Hits too hard at 100stacks

[brazen elbow]

oh god, this is a little op, (random AR)

[tawdry flare]

Can you farm for a Scorpio shotgun

[brazen elbow]

okay, done

[tawdry flare]

Nope you can hit for like a million with headshot with the right build

With an ar

You need to reroll the 2nd attribute to CHC/CHD

[brazen elbow]

yeah i mean this one is a random one and it hit for almost 700k

[brazen elbow]

chance headshot?

[tawdry flare]

Crit chance and crit dng mostly

Let me pull a guide for you

[brazen elbow]

i picked this one bcs its got the highest rpm

i mean i just need something for CD so i can actually kill stuff and not walk away with 60M dmg dealt and no kills

also, here are all my exotics, incase you want me to try one

[tawdry flare]

Strikers build

Check the build

[brazen elbow]

whats this mean

[tawdry flare]

This is a very strong setup with pristine example chest pcs but the downside is you are scoped in always so you can leave it for now

For weapons go M4/carbine 7/famas with third attribute as dtroc

[brazen elbow]

and which one of these would be best? (excluding elmos)

[tawdry flare]

Police M4/famas

You can make Scorpio as primary as well

[urban latch]

Well technically ouroboros lol

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio

[tawdry flare]

Btw you should insert scorpio as primary in the guide

[urban latch]

Why

[tawdry flare]

Why not what's wrong with it lol I used to main with scorpio

[urban latch]

There's much better options than scorpio

[tawdry flare]

It is quite handy in clutch situations

Cause of the cc and the dps is not bad tbh

[urban latch]

Ideally your already using acs12, so then you'd have 2 shotguns.

And it's not at all worth running instead of acs

[tawdry flare]

Make an ar as secondary

Few.. no one saw that

You saw that 🥲

[brazen elbow]

is this good for a famas?

[urban latch]

Ignore that dps number, it's completely misleading

[foggy egret]

For solo build, would Striker chest or obliterate be better? Elno as primary

[tawdry flare]

Ahh just focus on the individual dps numbers

[tawdry flare]

Obliterate

[urban latch]

What's your build look like now?

[astral kraken]

Obliterate in most situations. You'll have trouble keeping your stacks full with the Striker chest.

1 thousand people are typing

[tawdry flare]

Ahh only 4pcs of a gearset and swap the knees

[foggy egret]

So a build like :
Striker Mask, gloves, holster, kneepads, Memento Backpack, Obliterate chest and Elmo for solo build would be the best option?

[urban latch]

Do you have a coyotes mask? Also the big thing, anything more than 3 pieces of a brandset (yellow gear) or 4 pieces of a gearset (like strikers) is useless

[tawdry flare]

69 people are typing

[brazen elbow]

i do not

[tawdry flare]

Raucey is typing

[urban latch]

Not necessarily best, but it's an option

[astral kraken]

That's my lazy legendary build. It's great in 4 person scaling too.

[tawdry flare]

@brazen elbow this is okayish

[brazen elbow]

how about this?

[flint wave]

best solo build honestly

[urban latch]

Get 1p ceska (hammer symbol) and 1p grupo (GS symbol), both with crit chance and damage on them. You'll want to be stacking as close to 60% crit chance and as much crit damage as you can.

[tawdry flare]

Mhh definitely better than previous one

[brazen elbow]

now in normal person terms

[urban latch]

I tried lol

[brazen elbow]

first, what is each, like mask?

[foggy egret]

That's the build I want, but more armor

[flint wave]

it just needs am extra blue so picking up trophies mid combat is significant

[tawdry flare]

@brazen elbow get the chest pcs like this one

[astral kraken]

you don't need anymore than that. it's even a little too much with one more blue core than you really need.

[foggy egret]

Exactly, I want this with 1.5mln armor

[tawdry flare]

Than use ouroboros

[brazen elbow]

and whats it called

[foggy egret]

Gotta get it first sadly

[tawdry flare]

A ceska chest and the fist icon is known as the talent obliterate

[flint wave]

blue cores for the memento gods🙏

[tawdry flare]

All blue 5.11

[flint wave]

real

[astral kraken]

bro. stop giving out secrets

[brazen elbow]

where would i get that

[tawdry flare]

I saw the message though

[astral kraken]

lol!

[tawdry flare]

In countdown

[flint wave]

same

[urban latch]

So ideally your going to use strikers backpack, then 3 other strikers pieces. Whether or not you have the chest is your main choice, although assuming you don't have a good high end (yellow) chest then just go with strikers. That means 2 other slots, abd it doesn't matter which, can be something else. One of those other slots will ideally be a ceska piece. The other will be a grupo.

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound can you issue a temp ban to this Player

[brazen elbow]

is this a good one?

[urban latch]

No

[flint wave]

No way he didn't recall the haz pro

[astral kraken]

oh oh oh and not the 5.11 propagandist

[foggy egret]

What would you change on that solo build to make it group build? Like incursions and thing like that

I suppose Coyote Mask and Striker backpack

[flint wave]

not use memento

[tawdry flare]

All red build

[flint wave]

use coyotes mask instead

[tawdry flare]

And use striker chest

[urban latch]

Run both chest and backpack, and no armor cores

[astral kraken]

Those are for incursion, pick one

[brazen elbow]

also, any way i can not run out of ammo in 5 mins?

[tawdry flare]

Something like this is what you want

[flint wave]

even in like heroic mission and open world gameplay. Sometimes I still use memento

[urban latch]

Well not the obliterate version outside the very first courtyard area

[tawdry flare]

Use gunner specialization

[astral kraken]

I run the ceska chest one in stages 1/2 and the bloody knuckles one in stages 3/4. If you don't have an Ouroborus then run the Elmo one.

Sry responding to wrong person

[astral kraken]

Yea I like obliterate for the tanker stage b/c if everyone is doing their job I don't have enough NPCs to keep full stacks.

And I prefer having burst dps for the drones

[tawdry flare]

Ahh if you have the chest it is easy to keep it above 150+ stacks easily

[flint wave]

live decoy/emp sticky reaction

[urban latch]

You should be able to use an acs on the first two initial ads, then you'll have max stacks with the chest the whole time

[tawdry flare]

Outcast Rusher moment

Also the burst is useful right after the door

[astral kraken]

Ok yea that's basically what I do. I usually take top left or top right and camp the initial spawns with the ACS. Just wasn't confident about stack upkeep afterward.

[tawdry flare]

Opening if you are at 150+ stacks

[brazen elbow]

this better?

[flint wave]

with how much elites that part throws at you I think it's fairly easy

[tawdry flare]

Ahh you should focus on the number below not the number above

[brazen elbow]

i know, thats wrong because im hitting for around 400k

[tawdry flare]

DMG per shot is more important than dps in range

[brazen elbow]

so something like this?

[tawdry flare]

Nothing is wrong you will improve your build and the dmg also depends on Target on the range of you have a red it will take more dmg and we are missing context you can post your build here

[urban latch]

This is missing so much context we can't really tell you anything from it

[brazen elbow]

what else you need

[urban latch]

Just post the build, not the damage or dps numbers

[tawdry flare]

I don't wanna say clip here

[flint wave]

mag

[urban latch]

You've still got 5p strikers

[brazen elbow]

and whats so bad about it

[urban latch]

You also don't need an exotic on every build

[brazen elbow]

i mean this one has 15% dmg

[foggy egret]

So ceska over Striker chest?

Of course the elmo

Don't have SMG yet

[urban latch]

Also once you get your basic pie es sorted out you'll want to recal the attributes

[astral kraken]

@foggy egret Only for the first stage. After that you'll want the Striker chest to reach peak DPS. The whole thing is a big DPS check.

[flint wave]

you don't gain anything extra after 4 pieces. Gearsets also only have one attribute instead of two

[brazen elbow]

oh

[astral kraken]

The reason you want it for the first stage is so you can kill the turret barrel thing in one mag. The low initial DPS of striker chest might prevent you from doing that.

[brazen elbow]

well then what should i take off

[urban latch]

Would it be easier to hop into a voice chat?

[astral kraken]

@foggy egret If you had to choose one then just go with Striker chest and it'll be fine.

[flint wave]

Put a ceska chest on there

[brazen elbow]

i guess

[flint wave]

with obliterate

[foggy egret]

What from Striker set do I swap once I put Striker chest?

[flint wave]

or to keep 200 stack perk put a ceska piece anywhere else except bag

[astral kraken]

I like to keep that at 58% CHC and ignore the Coyote's mid-buff. The Coyote's close range CHD buff is better than Grupo and you'll be fighting at close range a lot.

However if you're doing the "gate strat" (Lovebirds, last stage) you can bring that down to 52% CHC. So just a simple mod swap.

Won't matter that much tbh if the rest of your team has good DPS builds.

[flint wave]

and if they are also running coyotes mask lol

[foggy egret]

Good, seems like a good way to begin

Not that much into Division yet, barely started 2 weeks ago

[astral kraken]

Just make sure that CHC is above 50% no matter what. If you're low SHD level you might need to use some mods to do it.

[foggy egret]

Aight. Gonna finish my solo build first with that ceska armor and then hop onto that group build

[tawdry flare]

Invite me too

[tawdry flare]

Why not striker shield if close range 👀

[flint wave]

fuck firewall

[tawdry flare]

So what do you use on eclipse fire build

You know that the 10% amp doesn't work for you?

[astral kraken]

I found the shield too cumbersome when it mattered. You don't want it out against Lovebirds because you'll block teammate shots. With Wright I like to shoot him after the valve turn (so aggro is on me) and shield will make it more annoying to dodge.

[tawdry flare]

Mhh skill issue

[astral kraken]

I run technician for a slight buff to my EMP pulse/sticky and a buff to my shield for weird situations like dealing with chungas during the Wright stage.

In the end it hasn't mattered that much 🤷‍♂️

[flint wave]

Just like having a 6th red core

[tawdry flare]

You mean 6 blue cores

[flint wave]

tank on incursion🤯

[tawdry flare]

You can technically tank the tanker

[astral kraken]

that mission has enough doors already

[flint wave]

omw to eat all the restorer hive charges

[astral kraken]

yea in ONE very very specific case lol

tanker has 1hp 😛

[rich lotus]

guys where i can find sniping build that can do 4-5m damage 1 shot

[flint wave]

moss defeated with this simple trick

[flint wave]

Headhunter talent

[tawdry flare]

Check the pinned spreadsheet it has a sniper build