td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

He don't wanna wony. sad wony noises

[hexed steppe]

right now he doesnt*
they always goto wony once they need the mats though 💯

[grizzled garnet]

You dont choose the wony life. Wony life chooses you

[hexed steppe]

for real

[vestal ibex]

Optimization mats is all I wony for and I need to do another already lol

[hexed steppe]

i think 1/3 of my backup calls are wony runs

[vestal ibex]

I always check characters to know if I should put turbo mode on.

[grizzled garnet]

To roll down an exotic do i need a level 30 character that hasnt started wony yet?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[grizzled garnet]

Bruh

Can a level 30 pre wony character do stuff like countdown?

[hexed steppe]

you dont need to do much tho. you just gota get to the whitehouse and do a couple things then you can boost and stay in dc

[vestal ibex]

Very easy to do, start a new character and get to the whitehouse, talk to manny and get a skill, then go to store>addons and use the 30 boost.

[grizzled garnet]

Hmm interesting

[hexed steppe]

lvl 30 can also be used for farming exo components in dz as well

[grizzled garnet]

Im considering doing that and farming a level 30 build

[vestal ibex]

It'll put you at WT5, if you wanna do WT1 items for strange speed builds you will have to level normally.

[hexed steppe]

when i was doing wony runs i rolled a couple exo down and crafted a basic skill build

[grizzled garnet]

Are blueprints shared?

[vestal ibex]

I made HW seeker build.

[vestal ibex]

If you boost at 30 and unlock it at the whitehouse yeah.

[hexed steppe]

yes, you just have to buy shared blueprints from the crafting lady

[grizzled garnet]

Care to recommend a level 30 build thats craftable?

[vestal ibex]

HW seekers lol

If you get REALLY into it you can get a lvl 30 regulus and memento and make a HH build.

[hexed steppe]

hw good. i just did a basic highend turret/drone

memento doesnt work in wony unless you have and shd agent with you

[grizzled wind]

i always just boost to wony

[grizzled garnet]

And a hw seeker will carry me through wony easily?

[grizzled wind]

and skipp going dc 1st

[grizzled garnet]

I didnt even know it was possible ;-;

[grizzled wind]

it asks you

where you want to start

[vestal ibex]

It's all prep and time saving if you are doing a lot of wony runs. With a carry you'll get it done in 1-1.5 hours usually.

[grizzled wind]

i think i lvled 5 alts so far

[hexed steppe]

skill builds scale quite well . once you hit 40 just grab a normal dps out of the stash to take on keener

[vestal ibex]

Solo?

[grizzled wind]

with backup call

[grizzled garnet]

Oki

[vestal ibex]

ah still kinda meh imo if you make that seeker HW build and run it people might call you a hacker cause you'll kill faster than them lol

[grizzled garnet]

Time to make a strikers st elmo build to keep in the stash

[grizzled garnet]

You got a build link?

[hexed steppe]

its much faster if the one being carried/leveling wony has a build thats worth a shit

skip to wony leaves much to be desired build wise

[grizzled wind]

in the end you would only have to do it once right

then keep the lvl 30 gear in stash

and skipp to wony with next char

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[grizzled wind]

any other good gearsets you can craft at 30

[hexed steppe]

idk tbh, i just crafted the skill build , rolled down waveform, capacitor, scorpio and called it done

[vestal ibex]

Just got HW chest and backpack and get a wyvern minor and china light minor. You might have to run a bounty or two cause you'll be poor.

Then fill in the last two with HW and done. You can also farm TL if it's on the map and easy for you.

[onyx sage]

me test driving determined d50 with HHF back in the day

[grizzled garnet]

TL?

[vestal ibex]

Targeted loot.

[grizzled garnet]

Cant level 30s access countdown or summit?

[vestal ibex]

Map still has it tho. So if an easy mission is HW you can go run it a time or two and get your parts and sell the rest so you can pretty much be done.

The 20-30 minutes you spend making the build will probably save you that much or more on just your first run and that much more every time after.

[magic pilot]

fianlly got my fps sorted

[onyx sage]

nice

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I can try to help with any setting you should do on PC tonight before we run incursions.

[forest forum]

Ik for countdown yes bc I've seen some1 lvl 1 in countdown like dang lol

And they made it to the end np with the whole team

[magic pilot]

I'm at 120 now so should be good

[grizzled garnet]

time to leech :3

[vestal ibex]

Yes but did do all the other stuffs? FOV? Bind insta skill use? Disable 3rd party junk? Skills on group frame? Hmmmm? I'd also do floating text but it's kinda preference after that.

[magic pilot]

I did actually

At least the stuff you mentioned lol

Even got color blind mode on

I'm streaming rn

[vestal ibex]

oh daddy. Sensitivity settings are something to look into as well. Look around should be about double aim sense. At least that's what I recommend people start at.

[magic pilot]

Yea that's gonna take me some time

[grizzled garnet]

i cant seem to matchmake for countdown :/

[vestal ibex]

Dat gearscore means you're level 30....

Gotta be level 40 for that.

[grizzled garnet]

welp. tiem to manually matchmake for camp white oak

[vestal ibex]

Walker harris?

Are you trying to farm stuff for wony runs?

[grizzled garnet]

oui

[vestal ibex]

Ahhh guess it's diff than lvl 40 TL

[grizzled garnet]

is you available to help 0.0

[magic pilot]

@vestal ibex let me get your dono exotics

help a brother out

[vestal ibex]

Got some guys you could run DZ hell with if you want.

[forest forum]

Dang yea that's crazy supposedly you have to be lvl 40 but that makes no sense i play CD back to back daily and there's always players under 30s playing. There was literally at lvl 1 so now I'm wondering if they got more than 1 character where they have completed the WONY

I'll take screenshot nxt time cuz i got no reason to lie about seeing lower lvls

That's just crazy tho smh

[grizzled garnet]

you sure youre not seeing shd level 1's?

[forest forum]

That'd probably be the only damn thing that makes sense

I keep forgetting there's two different kinds lvls and SHD

Apologies

[grizzled garnet]

np

[magic pilot]

lowkey the best shd 11 out there

[slate wedge]

saw a near max striker build shd 5 guy today

[grizzled wind]

how 😂

even cd gives some xp

[vestal ibex]

The boys shower you in loot.

[gentle lichen]

Looking solid chief

[hexed steppe]

i still have some named and exotic to claim from ge track. yours if youre on

[flint wave]

Society if people didn't look on YouTube for build advice

[magic pilot]

lmao

[magic pilot]

my striker build is already done lol

and im farming solo

[onyx sage]

so pro

[magic pilot]

yea?

[flint wave]

binoculars

[glad heart]

Follow up: Crit hits went up from 550K to 581K with the swap to DTTOOC on Elmo, that is average.. high is around 700K but rarely.

At 58% CHC

202.5% CHD

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[bronze hound]

isnt that really low or am i mistaken

[onyx sage]

for nego i think that's typical

[flint wave]

when 202% crit damage is low

[round iron]

me with like 45% CHD 😃

[magic pilot]

with nego st elmo you should run ceska/fox

[bronze hound]

not the chd the damage

[onyx sage]

that ceska obli chest

nice

[magic pilot]

double crit with a changable talent

[onyx sage]

now for ceska backpack

[magic pilot]

i have perfect vigi already and a ceska bp with double crit vigi. no uni-talent tho

max chd mod

[glad heart]

I am running 3 Providence, Grupo, Fenris, Fox's; Perfect Vigilance, Unbreakable. Elmo with DTTOOC 3rd attribute. Health is not fully optimized yet. Really materially expensive.

[magic pilot]

why not coyotes?

[glad heart]

Everything else because Coyote breaks the build

[hexed steppe]

if its not for pvp then go obliterate on the chest

[glad heart]

I agree, except I get beat up alot, so the unbreakable is a great asset. I should try obliterate however, just to see how it goes. Heroic tears my up though

[flint wave]

wtf

[magic pilot]

got it at shd 5

[tulip charm]

Run the sacrifice. It will make you play smarter.

[glad heart]

Yeah I have been there done that. I play cover, not aggressive as it is. Just get 10 guys popping me every time break cover to shoot... haha. Glass cannon would certainly up the damage though, but with motioin tremors in hands, it is hard to aim, that is part of the trouble

[tulip charm]

unlucko but yeah do try obliterate

[forest forum]

Yeah they SHDs not lvls

[bronze hound]

wdym it says level

[rich lotus]

Level is level backwards

So's racecar (level backwards)

[bronze hound]

so is fox

[rich lotus]

Umbreon is the best eeveelution though

[bronze hound]

no its sylveon >:c

[grizzled garnet]

i was asking about whether a level 30 could do countdown bc i wanted to farm a level 30 set to run wony quickly solo and bakerbrad904 said they saw a level 1 running countdown but they mistook shd level 1 with character level 1

[bronze hound]

Ah

[sullen sun]

Best armour regen build and go. (For DZ)

[cyan drift]

Technically umbra but ehhhh

It's not all the time

[sullen sun]

https://youtu.be/HoNckbWM6Vw?si=di3VGYW0SiA7Jtca

Thoughts on this?

[bronze hound]

based on what i saw id say no but someone else might disagree

[sullen sun]

Know of a better alternative?

[merry stone]

only right answer, no lies here

[hexed steppe]

For dz, no. You would see 3% regen. Memento would need to be charged to see the other 3%. If you die it's back to just 3%
None of the brands do anything but give regen or a little hazpro. With a damage talent on the chest I see it being better for pve

[rich lotus]

Wanna get back into division 2 but always find builds hard to make any advice if I was to come back and try again?

[hexed steppe]

Use countdown to farm gear and use the pinned spreadsheet as a guide for builds

[royal nimbus]

how long do we have til the season ends?

[bronze hound]

like a month or month and a half

[royal nimbus]

plenty of time then thanks

[sullen sun]

What’s a good armor regen build Deck?

[bronze hound]

wdym by armour regn

[untold hearth]

Oh there you are lol

[hexed steppe]

For dz, nothing probably... dz is more about front loading your armor while also squeezing in enough damage to knock the other guy down. I'm sure you could squeeze in a regen piece or 2 but you'll be taking away from crit.

For pve something like what you posted would be ok. I used to just use memento on a red build with some healing skills and tech class. Between memento and tech you have 2 free skill tiers (3 if holding kard custom) , fully charged you have 3% regen a d 30% repair skills +10 repair skills from tech class... that's how I used to do it, but it's only viable in pve

[rich lotus]

DZ? Ouro and pulse resistance maybe(?)

[flint wave]

I long for good yaahl pieces

[rich lotus]

I get the absolute bottom-tier ones from the vendors and ruin myself financially optimising them

Which is just peachy of course

[hexed steppe]

You could spend 5m next time their at the vendor and have full yaahl mats for crafting

[sullen sun]

Same

[sullen sun]

DZ vendor?

[hexed steppe]

Clan vendor

[hazy steeple]

Alternatively if you have unlimited patience: you can also "craft random brand" at the Crafting Table and waste a few hours to get some.

[flint wave]

unlimited patience. And resources

[hazy steeple]

just make sure you turn off the dialogue audio or you will hear about making leather and chairs too much.

[flint wave]

this is too real

but you can also use the one outside the white house to counter this

[hexed steppe]

Luckily wony makes mats infinite

But I've seen yaahl on sale a few times at the clan vender so it's only a matter of time. Beats farming dz

[hazy steeple]

I'm still waiting for it to reappear at the BoO vendor like it did that one time.
I know in my heart it was a bug, but I just can't accept it.

[hexed steppe]

Was it hollowman or just regular

[hazy steeple]

Regular piece, I bought a full stack of mats at the time.

and on that day, I finally made my Backfire build perfect

[hexed steppe]

Nice. Best 5k/piece spent too 🍻

[sullen sun]

Thoughts on this

I say this is shooting yourself in the foot using the ninja bag..any extra dmg or stats you could potentially give yourself etc.

[onyx sage]

yeah this is just aiming for high regen and aok, and while i get the idea, it's just not practical

[sullen sun]

I feel the same

[rich cosmos]

Ninja bike bps biggest flaw is that its a backpack

[astral kraken]

Ninjas are so 90s

[jagged linden]

Yes there is am

[magic pilot]

SHD 20

[rich cosmos]

Samurai motorbike gloves when

[urban latch]

noob

[magic pilot]

@astral kraken got oreo just for you

[rich cosmos]

Eat it

[astral kraken]

wow

I've been doing incursions with poor saps that still haven't gotten it despite doing incursion since launch O_O

[magic pilot]

pulled it myself from lovers

[astral kraken]

shd 20 and you beat the game

[magic pilot]

lmao

need regulus to say i beat the game

[vestal ibex]

No DTTOOC wow

[magic pilot]

ok buddy

havent rolled it yet lol

i got chd on it. used my only 2 exotic comps

[vestal ibex]

Ooof

[tawdry flare]

New account have to start From 0

[hexed steppe]

must be trash , ez component 🍻

[sullen sun]

Is strained specifically for Negotiators and Striker builds?

[hexed steppe]

any crit

[tawdry flare]

It's for a crit build

[sullen sun]

So optimistic is a no go for striker?

Optimist*

[hexed steppe]

optimistic is better when you have all armor cores

[tawdry flare]

You can but on all red it is lower value than strained

[sullen sun]

Ok

ty

So what would I use on an all red build in the DZ? Ranger?

Usually on an AR build

[tawdry flare]

You were talking about PvP?

[magic pilot]

In pvp if you want to run all red you would still run strained

Or flatline

quick trip to dz for hotshot

[sullen sun]

Even with optimist seeming like the meta rn?

[magic pilot]

optimist is the meta on blue core builds

if you are running all red cores WD is already saturated enough

[sullen sun]

WD?

[onyx sage]

weapon damage

[tawdry flare]

The attribute that red cores and expertise gives you

[magic pilot]

And brands like fenris, walker, sokolov, etc

[stiff jasper]

Measure

Never strained

[magic pilot]

why would you ever run measured

[flint wave]

better then strained

[stiff jasper]

Because strained is not suitable, if you want talent beside flatline or optimist, measure is option that better than strained

2 issue with strained in pvp
First, if you use strained, you definitely use weapon that slowly rpm, like ots14, then any reason that you don't use kingbreaker?

Second, strained are not flexible, you gain damage when you keep firing, meanwhile measure or optimist or flatline, they gain damage(or rpm) instantly
And you can stop firing and strafe or change position, but strained can't, if you stop firing, you lost those buff, and you must to reload, because you can't full stack or get many benefits by strained if your magazine are not full

[regal tangle]

its been like months since i last played, is heartbreaker still good?

[flint wave]

mid tbh

[regal tangle]

the way i use it is unconventional lol

i do a heartbreaker skill hybrid setup

trying to remake it on pc

[astral kraken]

I hate heartbreaker

Worst gear set

Doesn't work on proxies/bots. Doesn't make your shield stronger. Doesn't give you ROF buff that striker does.

Bonus armor means nothing if you're actually in trouble. False sense of security.

[regal tangle]

got another recommendation for a skill hybrid build

[astral kraken]

Just run a skill build 🤷‍♂️

[regal tangle]

yeah but then i cant do enough damage with my gun when im in trouble

[astral kraken]

Just run a DPS build 🤷‍♂️

[regal tangle]

then i cant use my funny turrets and drones as effeciently

[astral kraken]

Turret and drone is still strong even if you're full red

[regal tangle]

they could be stronger

[astral kraken]

Unless you plan to sit in cover and watch YT

Then run memento and a yellow picaro's

And tech spec

[regal tangle]

i rock technician and i use the memento typically for my current hybrid setup, then one piece with skill tier, rest are reds

3 skill tier, plus the buffs from memento is pretty fucking good

i used heartbreaker for this because with the link laser i can pulse enemies, command my drones to target them, then take out other weaker foes with my primary while my drones distract the priority targets. its actually super fun.

also its fun to multispec

[astral kraken]

@regal tangle

I just put that together so it's not perfect. I think I'm over the CHC cap but too lazy to check.

[regal tangle]

yeah thats kinda pointless imo

too much damage, you're goin to be getting diminishing returns

[astral kraken]

wtf is too much damage

[regal tangle]

4 is the sweet spot. rest can easily be skill or amour.

[regal tangle]

after 4 reds your ttk stops getting faster lol, its just diminishing returns at that point.

yeah you can hit some insane dps but if your ttk isnt changing enough to be noticable i'd rather have more survivablility

[astral kraken]

Survivability comes from a stronger shield. Even if you put 4 blue cores in there then a red (normal) enemy will disintegrate you when you don't play correctly.

And if you play correctly the red won't even hit you.

Ask people how/why they do legendary with all red cores.

[regal tangle]

you can have survivability without shields, the build i used was able to take on legendary while having good dps and effective skills

besides im not a fan of shields

[onyx sage]

i mean you do you, but we clear faster

[astral kraken]

Well the above is good DPS and effective skills...

It's actually not "great" DPS either. It's just good.

[regal tangle]

i typically dont play legendary anyway, i just go with stuff thats fun

i like to have a setup that allows me to larp as a hunter lol

[astral kraken]

I'm not sure what you're asking then. You asked for a hybrid dps/skill, that's hybrid dps/skill.

[regal tangle]

im asking if theres a better gear set then heartbreaker for that

[astral kraken]

More or less. I suppose you could throw red cores on wyvern/empress type gear.

Striker with yellow cores lol

[regal tangle]

that would be kinda fun

[urban latch]

It really, really isn't...

[regal tangle]

i try to have 4 reds, 1 blue, 1 skill

plus a memento

[astral kraken]

That one is 5 red, 4 skill, 1 blue

[regal tangle]

in my experience thats how its felt, i just die faster and enemies arent

[regal tangle]

ye, is fun

[onyx sage]

it's not really "diminishing returns" as much as opportunity cost which is the proper term, and no, you really are trading damage for basically less damage because people survive on 6 red all the time

[regal tangle]

yea thats a better term

it just reaches a point where it stops being as effective in my playstyle and i'd prefer having some armor so i can make use of regen better

[onyx sage]

see, that's your playstyle. i can rush and one tap enemies while living as 6 red. but saying that hitting 6 red is unnecessary isn't true for everyone

[regal tangle]

maybe

i just dont find the lack of armour fun tbh

its just frustrating even when im winning

[onyx sage]

i find the lack of armor extremely fun because my survivability comes from liberal use of cover

cover to cover, as i always say, is OP

i have soloed zoo with 6 red in under an hour

[regal tangle]

shouldnt you always make liberal use of cover outside run and gun

[onyx sage]

of course, my point is i can live with 6 red because i exploit cover to its fullest

[regal tangle]

yeah same

i play this shit like how i play gears lmfao. always lookin for flanks, high ground, never firing from the same place twice and getting close to maximize damage

[onyx sage]

but yeah coming back to the topic, one can absolutely survive and make full use of 6 red if they have the skill

[regal tangle]

but like, having a drone and a turret makes me a walking wall of suppressive fire and its an addicting experience

side note, just got a carbine-7, and it is really ugly to me for some reason. i love how effective it is but i cannot get over how odd it looks

[astral kraken]

The damage formula is weapon damage multiplied by a bunch of multipliers. So if your weapon damage is "10" and you have one multiplier "2" then 10 x 2 = 20 or double your weapon damage. If your weapon damage is 20 (scaled with red cores) then it's 20 x 2 = 40 which is also double your weapon damage.

10 -> 20 is a 100% increase in damage
20 -> 40 is a 100% increase in damage

If you add a blue core then it does nothing. It just sits there being nice and blue. If you get shot it doesn't save you. Blue cores are not added for "survivability" - they're added to scale other properties such as bonus armor given to teammates, regen tanks (very special case), each armor core increasing your shield tier, etc.

That's why it's not a good idea to mix red/blue/yellow (rainbow build). Your build doesn't excel at anything.

[regal tangle]

it excels at being fun

[slate nest]

difficulty?

[onyx sage]

legendary

0 directives

[regal tangle]

and like, i can actually take more damage, talents like preservation repair more per sec simply because i go for armour

[slate nest]

👑

[astral kraken]

Sure but then why ask for build advice if you have a personal narrow definition of fun. No one can help you there.

[astral kraken]

mutant

[onyx sage]

no regulus and memento either

[regal tangle]

just looking for pieces of gear so i know what i should be grinding for, i'll respec it accordingly

i'll try strikers

[astral kraken]

maybe capacitor will make it nice

[regal tangle]

it does

its actually super good with this setup

when i was grinding profeciencies i would get an AR with in sync and kick ass in summit for a bit

[astral kraken]

i mean stats wise it's just worse on so many levels. if i really wanted to do that i'd do a real skill build (so empress, wyvern, glass cannon) with memento and brazos.

roll a bunch of chc/chd

[regal tangle]

yea but it functions at a decent level in multiple areas

[astral kraken]

one you reach skill tier 6 (brazos will give you +1) do the rest red core

come to think of it that'll probably smash lol

[regal tangle]

its something i enjoy doing

initially i rocked the Closer with heartbreaker and i tried it again

wasnt hitting the same dps as before, which sucks

[astral kraken]

it pretty much can't be a gear set imo because gear sets severely punish you for running them (1 less attribute per gear item). so you need stack everything into what the gear set is good at.

[regal tangle]

fair enough

[astral kraken]

that's sorta how they're designed is all im saying

[regal tangle]

yea i know

[astral kraken]

just don't tell anyone "kestrel suggested i run yellow striker" 😂 i was just joking

[regal tangle]

how do you get your numbers btw? are you using a build calculator or looking at this in game

[regal tangle]

im fucking doing that and no one can stop me

[astral kraken]

rock on leatherlass 🤘

[onyx sage]

you can calc it or use a build sheet, getting it in game is best but test on real enemies instead of shooting range

[regal tangle]

seriously though i might try this with a series of sets and pieces to see what is optimal for my playstyle

thanks, i was actually considering just sticking with heartbreaker because its been actual months since i last played lmao

oh, another thing, what chest talent synergises the best with strikers

[astral kraken]

this is actually blowing my mind. i just cleared dua solo for the first time (yay me! lol) without cheesing and it took so many attempts to get it right. are you "just" picking really good spots and memorizing the spawns?

like the drone operators on aviary seem impossible to me

once they hunker down i mean

[onyx sage]

i theorycrafted my builds and strategies for over 2 months. yes i had to find the best positions to hold and learn all the spawns

in aviary/birdhouse, you have to rush if you want to survive. there's no other way around it

it all boiled down to focus striker, focus nego and HHF

[astral kraken]

that's what i suspected. i was thinking about how i'd do it if i was crazy enough and it would be push to the back, wait for the one spawn with the double doors (that goes to next stage), and chill there after

the one the chunga comes out of

[onyx sage]

#td2-build-advice message

[astral kraken]

every time i run focus striker i run out of ammo 😛

yes that room!

[onyx sage]

i had to count my kills and basically anticipate the spawn

[astral kraken]

yea my first thought was "that's nice but you still have to get there somehow" lol

[regal tangle]

damn

[onyx sage]

the first few doors you can count kills

the first door which has a red medic opens after 4 kills

the door after that is 8 kills, which has an elite drone lady

you want to spawn kill her, the rest should be more straightforward until chunga door

[regal tangle]

how tf do you keep track of all that

[onyx sage]

but yeah as 6 red you have to use everything you got

[regal tangle]

do you have notes?

[onyx sage]

i have some notes yes, but i write them down in the description of my videos

only aviary/birdhouse is the hardest in zoo, even the boss stage is a cakewalk if you manage LOS carefully

[regal tangle]

line of sight?

[onyx sage]

yep

[regal tangle]

scariest thing about her is when she goes invincible for a bit

[onyx sage]

know which directions you might be flanked from

[regal tangle]

what skills and weaponns did you rock

[astral kraken]

welp thanks for the tips. still a long road. need to get a respectable time on dua (40 min currently) then do capitol then maybe zoo. i'm leaving tidal for when i retire lol

[onyx sage]

focus striker: famas and scorpio, shield and decoy/turret

focus ND: same as above

headhunter's fury: m870, classic m1a, d50 (i'm doing a non-regulus run), firewall shield and decoy

[onyx sage]

good luck with dua, try to get it below 30m as next steps

[regal tangle]

i got more questions for seperate builds but i think i've asked too many now lol

[onyx sage]

just ask away here, it's okay to have lots of questions

[regal tangle]

sooo for a while now i have wanted to make a Hunter build.

like not for killing, for acting like one

[onyx sage]

we got lots of knowledgeable people

so a melee build?

[regal tangle]

sweet dreams solves that one

easy instakills

[onyx sage]

or with hazpro? kind of vague because hunters are strong in everything

[regal tangle]

its such a fun fucking weapon

[regal tangle]

thats the biggest roadblock im running into, im not sure where to start outside of the exotics i want to run and having EMP as a skill

[onyx sage]

if you want your EMP to last long you're either going to need skill tier 6 or overcharge, and if you want to be tanky you want both armor cores and a shield... idk, you have to compromise somewhere

[regal tangle]

right

and i know running 2 of each is stupid

not sure of the specialization either

maybe technician for the skill tier

spec into haz pro and crits for the mods

then its an issue of what gear to run lol

i think the funniest thing would be to make this viable in pvp so i can actually be a hunter

[astral kraken]

I mean hunters have 6 red cores, 6 blue, and 6 yellow. So yea.

[regal tangle]

wait seriously

enemies have those stats

[astral kraken]

I dunno but basically yes. Hunters hit extremely hard. They are extremely tanky. And their EMP is extremely strong.

[regal tangle]

Status effects!

[astral kraken]

Never going to be viable in PvP. But if you wanted to larp as a hunter you'd run 2 red, 2 blue, and 2 yellow on Normal difficulty.

[onyx sage]

enemies don't play by the same rules as us

[regal tangle]

sad

thats the worst thing about this

i cant think of a way to make a playstyle like this viable

[astral kraken]

"superman" is not a playstyle 😛

[regal tangle]

unfortunately

the next best thing would to do this in a fireteam and have each agent play with one aspect of a hunter

[astral kraken]

Now you're talkin!

[onyx sage]

ah yes, team synergy

[regal tangle]

like, one guys a skill build, the other 2 have status effect builds with EMPs

that would be actually scary to encounter in the DZ.. squad of guys wearing hunter gear with a setup like that

unironically the sweet dreams is my favourite exotic weapon. its not super viable and i see no one talk about it, but that melee instakill is the funniest fucking thing.

[grizzled garnet]

i think sweet dreams is viable on skill centered builds like oxi or foam builds

[flint wave]

tanks use it sometimes

[regal tangle]

really? i had no clue lol

i see no one talk about this thing

one time, mostly as a joke, i cleared a level 3 control point only using the sweet dreams melee

i had to shoot the elites but still

[grizzled garnet]

Well since oxis and foam builds lack decent single target damage (oxis are used for groups or specific targets) and they use full yellow cores instakills from sweet dreams can be helpful

I guess same applies to tanks sonce theyre full blue cores

[tawdry flare]

I have one I am thinking of

[rigid wing]

what stats typically would i want for st elmo?

[fickle light]

on the gun itself- DTTOOC
on the rest of your gear- crit stats

[rigid wing]

whats dttooc

cuz currently i got 14.5% ar dmg, 10% headshot damage, and I can optimize it to have max health damage

[fickle light]

damage to target out of cover

[rigid wing]

copy 🙂

[fickle light]

due to the rarity of DTTOOC on other items (it is only on LMGs naturally, and the named item "Fox's Prayer") and where it sits in the damage formula, it is the best choice for all weapons (apart from LMGs and a few select other weapons) but can be tied with Damage to Armor in a few cases

[rigid wing]

ahhh ok ok got it! thanks 😄

[flint wave]

crit chance is better then dta

Tbh

[tawdry flare]

Mhhh not really lol not always

[fickle light]

In most cases crit chance is already near maxed out and you'd be overcapped

just use DTTOOC on your weapons

[tawdry flare]

I think he meant on lmgs

[flint wave]

I'd definitely use crit chance on like an acs

[fickle light]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flint wave]

yes I meant lmg

[fickle light]

then ya shoulda said that

[flint wave]

but still not a dta fan

[tawdry flare]

I am fan of sleigher broomstick

[sour prism]

hello, can someone advice me and what to collect for riot foam trapper build? is there a decent build on youtube and if so mind sharing a link>?

[tawdry flare]

We have a foam build pinned on the channel spreadsheet the foam build is built around creeping death bag talent and eclipse gearset

[sour prism]

oh damn, i see, thanks!

where is it pinned, cant find it

[patent fossil]

Pinned messages-spreadsheet-hub tab-builds

Pin icon is top right, or swipe left if you're on phone

[orchid cloud]

i tried running all blues first then shoving every mod and attributes down to weapon damage, only got 2 skill tiers and idk where to get the other 4 lol

[patent fossil]

2pc brazos including Picaros, memento, technician if you want to play with maximum cores

[rigid wing]

should i reroll this?

[shy willow]

Until you get dttooc ideally

[round zinc]

if you have already dumped in too many mats then its not a bad idea to settle for rate of fire

[rigid wing]

nah i haven't tried rerolling yet :>

[round zinc]

well lets hope you have good rng and not dump 20 exo mats into it like i definitely didn't

[shy willow]

I got lucky and got it in 3

[rigid wing]

got accuracy instead lol

ran out of steel. time to farm for mats

[orchid cloud]

better to sack mats than to regret

[grizzled garnet]

What shd are you

:3

[rich lotus]

Out of interest, is DTOOC the ideal roll on Ouro too?

I feel the need to roll clip size on it, or maybe health dmg

[hazy steeple]

On pretty much every gun, dtooc is the ideal roll, yep.
the other "viable" option for Ouro is rate of fire, but that's mainly for joke builds.

[rich lotus]

Yeah, seemed fairly obvious but the clip size bothers me.
Thanks all!

[terse horizon]

you get used to it tbh

[vestal ibex]

Any guns mag size comes down to "can I kill these enemies in 1 mag" and ouro can do.

You've just gotta not overshoot enemies, what I like to call shooting corpses.

[rich lotus]

There's something to be said for changing your playing style to fit a weapon type you've never used before.
To go from sniping or M1A/Bakers exclusively, then a few outliers in there, a huge break and then FAMAS/Elmo, to suddenly be 10-20m closer to everything (on a full red build in high-level stuff) requires you to play a much different way and that aspect of it is pretty underplayed

I die so much with Ouro, it's nuts. It's getting better, and it's not more or less difficult than it was at comfortable ranges. Just a lot different

[urban latch]

You'll get it with some practice

[glossy scarab]

with ouro you can afford to use a bunch of armor cores and still have huge dps

[vestal ibex]

You can't git gud unless you put the time and effort in.

[glossy scarab]

like with 3 blue strikers build I hit like 730k body shots. at that high of an rpm is plenty to get thru heroic

[rich lotus]

Not even 'smarter' or anything. Smarts still come into play when you're chunk chunk chunking with an M1A, it's not 'twitchiness'. I suppose it's being more critically aware of how much in that situation can down you, knowing where your 'out' is at all times and how much you could realistically get blasted for in between those two points

Never used an SMG or SG before until now, it's a foreign concept but I didn't realise how much. Would rather be playing now, rather than working!

[tawdry flare]

Just play with broom stick and sleigher and you will become a god tier player

[glossy scarab]

using a memento or a bag with bloodsucker is great for survivability

[rich lotus]

Thought about that. The fixer drone (even on tier 1) has been pretty useful. The Gunner armour on kill has been useful.
Memento is a good shout, I've got about 4 or 5 striker variants and have been gradually phasing out the Catharsis/Memento ones

[slate nest]

oreo + rate of fire= extra brrrrr

[glossy scarab]

thats what im gonna roll onto my second ouro when i get one

[tawdry flare]

Stll less DMG than dttoc

[glossy scarab]

i have elmos with ROF and its like really close to the dps of dttooc. i cant tell the difference

[magic pilot]

To me there's no excuse for anyone to not have oreo

[glossy scarab]

some ppl dont want it

[tawdry flare]

Ahh cause it's 5% ? In Oreo's case it is additive on top of it's 10% mag

[glossy scarab]

what does rof have to do with mag size

[rich lotus]

It's still rare as heck in Summit and Countdown. Would be interesting to know how many people have it

[tawdry flare]

Oreo's mag is 10% rof or at least one attachment

[glossy scarab]

ohhh

[rich lotus]

I really hope D3 has something befitting a proper API, where you have proper usage stats and leaderboards

[glossy scarab]

still the rof 5% still draws from original rpm of the weapon

[tawdry flare]

You are going from 10->15% vs 0-> 5%

[glossy scarab]

i see

[tawdry flare]

Also Elmo with dttoc vs Elmo with rof should be only 5%

[glossy scarab]

right

[tawdry flare]

But Oreo with dtroc vs Oreo with rof would be much more

[glossy scarab]

yeah ur right

[tawdry flare]

Also I am talking burst dps only

Just to be clear

[glossy scarab]

so with strikers it should be around 1783 rpm

[tawdry flare]

With strikers the gap increases even more

25% vs 30% rof even less return with rof vs dttoc

[glossy scarab]

i feel like the amount of time you spend reloading might be a bit annoying

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that too

Caus of Oreos base rpm

Which is 1350 iirc

So 5% rof = ~1 more bullet per/s

[magic pilot]

That's different lol

[glossy scarab]

also the perentages of rpm dont work like 15% from stikers and .05% rof is not the same as 25%. theyre calculated separately using the base rpm of the weapon

or 20% whateveer

[magic pilot]

That's with the rof mod isn't it

[tawdry flare]

Without the mod

[glossy scarab]

i believe the rate of fire mod on the weapon counts as the base RPM in the calcs

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that's what I did

[tawdry flare]

No it doesn't 1350*1.25= 1687.5

[glossy scarab]

isnt the base rp, 1485?

[tawdry flare]

15% striker and 10% rof mod

[tawdry flare]

1350*1.1 =1485

[glossy scarab]

well who knows. the game might calculate it like that

[tawdry flare]

It calculates the mod on top of base

Every rof is multiplicative with base

From all sources ie gunner umbra striker attribute

[glossy scarab]

but since its build into the gun and u cant change it, i thought the base rpm would be 1485

[magic pilot]

Nope

[glossy scarab]

so everything calculates off 1350? then why does my math work every time with counting the base rpm as 1485

maybe not

im thinking of elmo again

yea u right

[magic pilot]

Lol

[glossy scarab]

good to know

[hexed steppe]

I fall into that category. Not interested in playing reload simulator 🍻

[glossy scarab]

they do exist

[tawdry flare]

I guess you need ninjabike for this

2093 RPM

1.49s time to empty mag reload on ouro is ?

[hexed steppe]

🤔 I always need ninjabike... for components

[tawdry flare]

Meta pcs are always needed

It is the Meta Exo Component

[hexed steppe]

Yeah but I'm not impressed with oreo tbh. It's high dps which I get but it's just kinda overkill at this point. Plus it can literally run dry in under 2 minutes.

[rich lotus]

It's clear to me that I only run it so people can see I have it. That's a me issue and I need to work on that
I feel like the DPS gain over my Fast Hands FAMAS is marginal, and the versatility of it microscopic in comparison

[tawdry flare]

If you factor in range and accuracy than are falls short a bit

Plus you can't put it in scope view iirc so no shield peeking

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I wouldn't benefit too much. I'm either on headhunter, nego ar/rifle, or a cc build 90% of the time. I like distance, which is why I don't run Hf either 🍻

[tawdry flare]

Yeah me too regulus or FFH. Mostly unless I need to use it

I prefer scorpion over oreo

[rich lotus]

Good to feel mildly vindicated in not really thinking Ouro is all that. I keep hearing how monstrously OP it is, but I get the feeling the folks that can work around its clear limitations and still be OP would be that way regardless of if they were using that or a Sleigher or dual wield Orbits

[grizzled wind]

oero is just situational, i would never use it in legendary or missions with long range fights

[rich lotus]

I think the first thing to do, is to stop using it as the 'main' weapon. I don't think it's supposed to be used like that

[bronze hound]

you can still allocate into weapon handling and beat a FAMAS

[grizzled wind]

it doesnt beat perf focus in mid to long range

[tawdry flare]

Only upto 20-25m and with body vs head

Way too much variable

[bronze hound]

With handling?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause handling doesn't give range

You can spec like 2-3 rolls for handling

So 24% handling

[grizzled wind]

handling is reload, acc, stab

[bronze hound]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

And swap Speed

[grizzled wind]

that stat works?

[urban latch]

You do have another weapon when your using the ouroboros. Set up the secondary for long range, ouroboros at close to mid range.

[grizzled wind]

that creates crit issues

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher is the optimal choice

[tawdry flare]

Use coyote long buff to mitigate CHC issues

[rich lotus]

That's the thing I need to work on. I'm trying far too hard to close the gap and operate within proper Ouro range in situations I shouldn't. Get overwhelmed and put on my butt miles away from the rest of the squad

Getting past the honeymoon period of getting Ouro will partly fix that, actually using my brain will too

[tawdry flare]

F**k oreo be the gigachad use sleigher

[grizzled wind]

i like using different weapons for diff content, creates some gameplay variety

[rich lotus]

Orange star next to damage numbers = ++self worth = serotonin
I want to create a melee build. It won't work, I'll look a fool but I really want to try it

[urban latch]

You can also reload->swap weapons for effectively a free reload as well

When your transitioning between short and long ranges

[grizzled wind]

scoped acc spread is the only thing that feels weird on famas

using acc mods didnt seem to change much

[tawdry flare]

Just make sure you swap after a click sound

[rich lotus]

And close car doors when you see them open

[urban latch]

FAMAS really isn't a long range AR, it's really not the ideal weapon to combo with the ouroboros

[rich lotus]

To me, it feels like somewhere between FAMAS and Elmo is the best window for hitting mobs and still having a good variety of escape. That comes down a little bit in areas like Summit specifically

[grizzled wind]

trusty famas carrying me through legendary

[rich lotus]

Anything more than that is just smoke everywhere or you're too far back

[tawdry flare]

The best weapon is M4 cause of 35m range

[bronze hound]

id argue the classic m44 has a better range

[tawdry flare]

1-25m -> Oreo and than 25+ M4 put +20% optimal range mod

So it is 42m range which is damm high

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but can't spam

Or just use sleigher it has 69M range

[bronze hound]

a

[rich lotus]

b

[grizzled wind]

@urban latch would you suggest high end or striker as a current perf focus setup

[tawdry flare]

c

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[onyx sage]

if you want damage, striker

[rich lotus]

If you don't want damage, not striker

[onyx sage]

high end is good for instant uptime on damage but focus goes against it

[tawdry flare]

I thought you switched to 5.11 binoculars build

[urban latch]

for what?

[grizzled wind]

the tradeoff is striker vs , crit dmg, contractors, fox prayers i guess

[grizzled wind]

legendary mainly

[tawdry flare]

Strikers than

Or negotiators if you can handle hh these are the best choices for legendary

[urban latch]

legendary imo is close enough its down to preference, but probably strikers. and like loading is saying, nego is another good option

[onyx sage]

nego hh for legendary?

bruh

[tawdry flare]

Mhh not a bad option with prophet

Just mark with ar

[jagged linden]

I just got a very good pull from exotic cache

1 on Xbox and other on PlayStation

[hexed steppe]

Imperial dynasty or ninja bike knee?

[round zinc]

chameleon

[onyx sage]

sacrum

[slate nest]

shocker punch

[gentle lichen]

Pvp bae

[jagged linden]

Both guns

This is the one i got on PlayStation

[quasi geyser]

is the big horn any good ?

[magic pilot]

Not really

[quasi geyser]

i would still like to give a go it looks fun do you have any build for it ?

[magic pilot]

Any dps build

[quasi geyser]

okay thanks

[magic pilot]

Accuracy becomes an issue that's why it's not used more

That was with striker so it had 15% more handling

[vestal ibex]

Controller game play?!?!?

[magic pilot]

Old video shush

[magic pilot]

Running some IH today maybe?

[vestal ibex]

Old man sleepy probably lol

[grizzled garnet]

ive only ever heard about it being used in dz pvp

[rigid wing]

Only 205 🙂

[grizzled garnet]

ah ok. if you were 1k+ would've recommended you do the wony farm

could look around solar farm (i think thats the name)

[rigid wing]

Yeah I saw a YouTube video about it. It's a bunch of collection points between checkpoints

[grizzled garnet]

https://youtu.be/ol87CV7LDLw?si=rv5_orOT5ZhyY6ns&t=684

that shows 3 checkpoints and loops

[jagged linden]

I Got this on Xbox

[grizzled garnet]

welcome to the club

[jagged linden]

Is it tht good

[grizzled garnet]

imo yes

[magic pilot]

yea basically on armor regen tank pvp builds

[rigid wing]

Thanks for that 🙂

[astral kraken]

congrats 🙂

[grizzled garnet]

for a healer build do i want the mods to be skill haste or repair skills?

[vestal ibex]

I personally shoot for chem launchers to sit at around 15 second cool down.

This is still plenty of heals for any content in the game.

[grizzled garnet]

also for a vile ep cc build what secondary skill do i want after foam?

[vestal ibex]

Situational.

[grizzled garnet]

for countdown

[vestal ibex]

Shock trap?

[grizzled garnet]

i was thinking stinger hive but that works too

[hazy steeple]

Wouldn't something like fire be best, since it actually does some damage too?
unlike Shock, poor shock.

[glossy scarab]

fire sticky

[grizzled garnet]

hoping to get a groll courier

[vestal ibex]

I always use CC in legendary and not much else. Sticky emp is my go to but really you could use whatever you like.

[hazy steeple]

since this is Countdown, EMP for the final push might not be the worst idea.

[vestal ibex]

Try a bunch of things tho. Figure out what helps and you like.

Just def avoid hackables in countdown during hunters

[grizzled garnet]

imma throw :3

throw a overcharged shock trap and stinger hive :3

jk

[vestal ibex]

Shock traps can't be hacked tho. They are safe for extract.

[grizzled garnet]

hunters are immune to foam?

[vestal ibex]

No they take the goop

[hazy steeple]

Foam is probably the best thing to use against Hunters actually.

[grizzled garnet]

the hunters at the opening of countdown werent being trapped by foam :/

one of these do that?

[sacred raven]

yea on the left side hazard protection

[astral kraken]

The cause of a lot of wipes and rage quits 😄

But you had the close range damage buff which is huge. Turns CD into easy mode.

[round iron]

oh damn

i usually hit em with a banshee pulse and then beam them in the head afterwards

[vestal ibex]

100% haz pro means it won't work.

[shy willow]

When they’re status immune its so funny cuz most of the time people are using scorpio and get clapped

[hexed steppe]

I'm a cc guy. It kinda sucks with status immune... but opportunistic and sledgehammer still work great and hunters melt regardless 🤣

[astral kraken]

It's crazy how little you see sledge in CD

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio will still proc its 20% increased damage taken also 🍻

[astral kraken]

It's perfect for hunters given that 4-8 people are shooting at em.

Esp with all the Striker builds, they can run Lefty...

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I mainly use it when I catch a spawn and at extraction when stuff is grouped

[astral kraken]

I unload all my nades into extraction, love it

[violet smelt]

Does the hollow man (named yaahl mask) health damage applies to our skills too?

[hexed steppe]

I dont believe so. Not 💯 tho

[magic pilot]

I see it a ton on console, can't speak on pc yet

[magic pilot]

I run striker with lefty and the cluster grenades, awesome for extraction

[shy willow]

I never see it on xbox at least in countdown

Everyone’s proficiency farming or just standard strikers

[magic pilot]

I've seen quite a few healers on pc in countdown

A ton of low shd lvls I was surprised

Still didn't struggle like on ps though

[shy willow]

I heal on heroic sometimes

Might have to try my cc on for size in countdown

[magic pilot]

Run normal foam and switch to disrupt resistance on extract

[hexed steppe]

Run at least some hazpro or disrupt mods. Doesnt have to be 100% but some will make a difference

[magic pilot]

I run 80 on mine

[hexed steppe]

How I used to roll as well. Full immunity is pretty sweet tho

[magic pilot]

Haven't made 100%

80 is enough to barely get disrupted for like .5s

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's a short disrupt. But there is also fire/shock/foam often throughout the match. I can run around zero fs style .
I'm also all haste as well so it's probably not popular choices all around 🤣 🍻

[magic pilot]

That is true

[tawdry flare]

69 years old?

[stone coral]

i am watching the one tap pistol build but boii how do i find the exact armor with mods like which activity do i need to farm for them?

[urban latch]

The HH hunters fury version is pretty simple to setup and is one of the best builds in the game

regulus/Determined D50 headhunter guide here

[rich cosmos]

Countdown selected target loot

[stone coral]

imo one tap sounds better :d

[stone coral]

hmm would it be doable for a newbie?

[rich cosmos]

Yes.

[stone coral]

what would you recommend for the diffeculty? and matchmaking would it better init?

[hexed steppe]

challenging

just bring dps and no skills other than chem, revive, shield, sticky, pulse variants. most others can be hacked

[urban latch]

That's what the build I linked is

[tawdry flare]

I would advise you to not rely on determined too much first practice on your aim than you can use whatever you want using determined from start hampers your growth as a player

[shy willow]

Can you swap the regulus off for a determined d50

Or is it less consistent

[astral kraken]

hmm not sure i agree with this. determined and headshot builds are very different playstyles.

no matter how good your aim is determined is fast

and speed matters

[stone coral]

oh i didnt even check link i straight copy it the name you said and watched some yt video

[astral kraken]

plus with the way accuracy works there is rng involved too, depending on how far away you are

[onyx sage]

he has a point. determined will make you too comfortable with it that you will not be able to adapt to non-determined. and while determined works for solo play it's not the most efficient (regulus clears much faster, and you sometimes need m870 over white death/d50 with determined and m870 can't have determined)

take it from me, i played determined for a week and my headshot game was ruined

[noble dirge]

Does accuracy affect ADS sway?

[round iron]

is it worth having the Striker's chest piece talent, or should i just use a different chest piece that has something like Unbreakable

[astral kraken]

unbreakable sucks outside of pvp and raids. use ceska obliterate with strikers.

[rigid wing]

if i'm doing a sniper build and have an item with two bad rolls, lets say Weapon damage 12.9% and 7.4% headshot damage. What should I reroll

Reroll for 2.1% more weapon damage or 2.6% headshot damage?

[astral kraken]

striker chest is still worth keeping but its use rare. heroic countdown, incursion, and some legendary stages - there it slaps.

everywhere else you'll probably have a hard time maintaining 200 stacks

[round iron]

ah ok that's what ive been experiencing lately too

[astral kraken]

yea the enemies usually all die before you're at full stacks 😛

the real punisher is your 0 stack dps. if you bite off more than you can chew you'll die fast.

obliterate increases your burst dps and in this game burst dps is king

[astral kraken]

i can see that. personally haven't felt it much because i treat the two completely differently in my mind and muscle memory. determined is for snap shots and headshots are more aimed shots.

there is an objective benefit to determined though. you can shoot their feet 😛

[magic pilot]

I use striker chest on striker shotgun build

[astral kraken]

acs, surely?

[magic pilot]

Scorpio

[onyx sage]

acs and six12 are what i run for striker 200

scorpio also works too

[magic pilot]

Manning zoo

[onyx sage]

yep

[magic pilot]

Other than that not worth using striker chest lol

Maybe gr9 steady handed, but at that point perfect focus is better

[onyx sage]

i use it in DUA boss stage too if i don't feel like regging

[astral kraken]

hmm will try it out. didn't think scorpio would build fast enough. honestly haven't used the scorpio much in a while.

[onyx sage]

build with acs then swap to scorpio/six12

[astral kraken]

reg in group or solo? i'm still trying to figure out how to one shot at 4 scale with randoms

[onyx sage]

solo

[astral kraken]

ah ok yea

[magic pilot]

Scorpio will build fast enough if you constantly shoot

[onyx sage]

you can do group too

[magic pilot]

The reload is one of the fastest if not on shotgun

[astral kraken]

the only way i feel like i can do group is with blb stacks and either a lucky achilles or overcharged achilles

[onyx sage]

you can guarantee a one shot with achilles, but you have to two tap without in 3 man or 4 man

you can foam him then two tap, while he's foamed his hive won't activate and he won't heal

[astral kraken]

mfker

thank you

[magic pilot]

You can one shot in 4 man with nemesis achilles

[onyx sage]

even in solo you have to run foam anyway

[astral kraken]

i dont

i actually one shot him with dch/reg and achilles

no foam

even had a chainkiller chest on

[onyx sage]

i do the strat where i line up the spawns so that i catch many dudes inside the firewall shield cone

foam makes them stay in place so i get amp, the amp helps in case i miss some pellets

[astral kraken]

\

thats my way and its super slow

whole encounter is 3min and i feel like it can be done in 60sec

[onyx sage]

yeah definitely with HHF

and lucky rng as well

the regulus aoe helps a lot

[astral kraken]

fk it im just gonna grind it next time and get it down. i have the hhf build sitting right there.

already memorized the spawns

that wave right before the boss is what gets me

where those medbox dudes drop out

i saw on YT a guy kills the ammo box where they jump out

special ammo box

[onyx sage]

yeah

that burns them

very valuable CC

[astral kraken]

does rav stacking work on him?

i tried a couple times and it didn't seem to do anything

[onyx sage]

nego transfer?

i mean you probably can but seems too complex

[astral kraken]

no sorta like what you can do for the zoo bosses

rav + d50

[onyx sage]

well the only hurtbox that takes damage on him is his head and it's not armor plating so

[astral kraken]

that would explain it...

armor plating in this game makes no sense

[onyx sage]

and no it wouldn't work anyway because there are no dogs or chungas in boss stage

[astral kraken]

yea i was hoping i could just stack on him because... ya know... it looks like he has armor plates lol

[rigid wing]

I'm doing the hotshot build and was wondering from veterans, reviver hive + what other skill optimizes the build?

i can see uses for spotter drone and decoy for sure... just not sure what's more useful

[astral kraken]

reviver hive is a crutch for when you're learning... think like training wheels. for hot shot i like to run decoy and foam. then you can practice foaming a group and one shotting them all before the foam runs out 🙂

but there are other options. really depends on what you're feeling that day.

turret is great as another fancy decoy

pulse is great if you're running with the no radar directive

if you're running a hotshot build you're gonna stack headshot damage... which means you can run a big shield and d50/regulus/liberty for emergencies

i would avoid drone b/c it makes enemies heads bobble too much

with foam they bobble very predictably

achilles pulse is nice too since hitting the mark guarantees a headshot

it's a really flexible build and skills aren't required tbh. so pick something that'll make your life easier. hotshot builds are great for all directive farming which includes cool skills.

[rigid wing]

ohhh so noobs like me use reviver hive and whatnot lol

i kinda need it cuz my builds not 100% optimized and my shd lvl is still low.

is it just my build or does hotshot not do too well in cascade?

[stone coral]

how much is your current shd?

[rigid wing]

200

[astral kraken]

Noobs yes, but not in a negative way. It takes time to get used to managing aggro, using cover, and whatnot. Once you feel comfortable enough that you never end up using the hive... just switch it out for some utility.

[hazy steeple]

There's nothing wrong with still using Reviver Hive later on, it's certainly not a "noobs only" skill.
It's just that at some point later on you may find you'll need it less when playing solo.

[rigid wing]

how do you manage aggro o.O

[astral kraken]

One example: when you duck back into cover for a couple seconds you can watch how enemies switch their targets to someone else. That's the time to pop out again and do some damage. You usually have a couple seconds before they switch back to you. On legendary they are faster to switch but it's still there.

Also knowing that the highest damage dealer will usually be the one targeted. So if you are doing a lot of damage to them expect to be focused.

[rigid wing]

ohh so what i've been doing has been completely wrong lol i just bash my head against the wall trying to out damage everyone constantly

[astral kraken]

Other things like learning how enemies move and their reaction times. You can abuse certain enemies (like chungas) tendency to try and melee you by getting right up in their face. Their melee attacks are weak.

[hazy steeple]

Enemies are always 100% on you when its solo, to share the aggro you'll need to group up.
To make this clear: SHD level itself means almost nothing. The bonuses that are at max (SHD 1k is the last level that gives you any stat boosts) are quite small with 10% crit chance (CHC) being the only really, ahem, critical one, for some builds.

[astral kraken]

Not 100% on you if you use decoy, turret, or drone. That's part of managing aggro.

You can even get them 0% on you.

[rigid wing]

ohhhh ok ill try decoy and reviver for now. then when i notice i die less, ill switch to foam as well

[hazy steeple]

I've never found those to be particularly necessary skills on full Red builds. Smart placements and tactical uses of cover are far more important.

[astral kraken]

So like with decoy try to toss in the opposite place of where you'll be. Then give it a couple seconds and watch how they all push the decoy. Then just shoot the back of their heads.

[rigid wing]

how about a striker build? I've been using reviver + crusader shield but I find my shield barely lasts long enough to matter....

[astral kraken]

Show me a solo leg run that doesn't use decoy/turret/drone for managing aggro.

It's not always necessary but sometimes it just is.

[hazy steeple]

Who cares about soloing content that isn't designed to be solo'd?

You can solo Countdown too, it's still not a good idea.

[astral kraken]

Unless you're a developer of the game I don't think you can say that with any certainty.

Seeing as in leg solo the enemies are scaled down.

[hazy steeple]

Ad spawns don't scale in legendary missions, but their health does scale with players. Summit legendary scales like normal.

The information is out there if you google, and there's no need to be passive-aggresive about it.

[astral kraken]

Couple things you can do.

First you can buff your shield. Memento is a great way to do that because blue and yellow cores will buff the shield and memento gives you one of each. Then add technician specialization and now you have a tier 3 shield. Add one blue core it's tier 4. Basically add as many blue cores as you feel comfortable then as you get more experienced start removing blue cores until you're full red.

Another thing you can do is manage the health of your shield. Pop out of cover, shoot stuff, get a feel for when your shield is half health and get back into cover.

[astral kraken]

I'm not being passive aggressive. There's no reason to get upset. You said that legendary content is not "meant" to be solo'd and my counterpoint is that you don't know that for sure. Seeing as you can trivially solo DUA without cheesing/glitching then your logic simply doesn't hold.

Also "who cares about soloing" leg is a dismissive way of looking at something a lot people do for fun.

It's legitimately a fun thing to do and is totally doable with the right build and knowledge of the mission.

[fickle light]

Kestrel, i get you arent being passive agressive, but it is coming off that way.

[astral kraken]

I was being stern which is deserved. Rivens shouldn't be dismissive of other people's play styles (eg: "who cares about X") and making claims about what is "meant" to be in the game when she obviously has no idea.

[hazy steeple]

She, the clue is in the name.

[astral kraken]

Corrected, apologies.

[hazy steeple]

and you aren't my teacher or parent. You don't need to be "stern",
and I explained how Legendary doesn't scale properly to solo, If you have a problem with that then you are welcome to disagree, but don't be rude about it.

[flint wave]

Revive hive is a good skill :)

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that the majority of endgame players are in Heroic, not Legendary. So most people won't ever touch the mode beyond perhaps going for the outfit in 1-2 runs.

[astral kraken]

There's nothing rude about making a statement, etc. I would argue that you're being rude by attacking my intentions (eg: passive aggressive) while I was simply talking about the subject matter at hand.

[fickle light]

When legendary difficulty came out, i remember there being a tidbit in something where it did say "This is meant to be hard, and is a test of skill"

[flint wave]

"An impossible challenge for any division agent"

[astral kraken]

Yea. Which is an invitation of sorts 🙂

[astral kraken]

For newer players Heroic feels like legendary does for experienced players. Hence using a decoy and other aggro utilities being just as useful to them.

One example would be the reaction time of enemies in heroic vs leg. Leg reaction time is much faster, yes, but newer players will have slower reaction times themselves. So in a lot of cases it evens out.

[hazy steeple]

Clearly there is a fundamental disagreement here and I am going to step away because this isn't going to be resolved by discussion.

[rigid wing]

just wanna say. i love hotshot build in most 2 player content for now haha. my brother and i did summit and I can pretty much one shot all the way to floor 29 ( we didn't push further so i didn't get to test my damage)

[patent fossil]

A decent hh hotshot build can comfortably solo 4-player heroic content I've found, determined is that OP

[rich lotus]

I find myself questioning whether Determined is a fundamentally flawed perk or not. There was a pretty good thread on the subreddit a ways back about it being a way for snipers to cut through all the BS involved in sniping, I see it from both sides now. There are those that will always think kills with Determined aren't earned, and the ones that use it aren't improving and don't need to, but sniping is rewarding in very few instances and not super viable in most

Got it. https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/171ryvj/the_best_part_of_using_determined_is_that_it/
There's some bits I disagree with, but it's pretty on the nose for how I'm experiencing sniping too

[astral kraken]

Well articulated post. On the one hand I agree that sniping through pure headshots alone is a bit lacking but OTOH I feel like determined makes it too easy. Whenever I'm doing all directive heroic and run a determined build there's like... no challenge whatsoever. People that don't know about the build are shocked when we're doing a CP and the adds don't even get close.

Even on legendary it's ridiculously strong for certain stages like the first stage of Capitol Hill.

In order for DPS to feel that effortless you need a CC or something.

[patent fossil]

I guess it's different for console players, but I personally loved sniping before determined came out, there's a lot of satisfaction in hitting the difficult shots and with something like mantis decoy it wasn't too difficult for most content - I could even frequently get top kills in group missions (if the other players weren't speedrunning full red builds), determined makes it all feel cheap

[astral kraken]

Yea before I found determined I ran exactly that: mantis + decoy. Still very strong but I had to work a bit more for the kills.

[patent fossil]

Yeah I didn't feel like I had major issues clearing most content (mainly solo open world and missions) before, I was quite handy at point blank scoped headshots though. Group was more tricky because enemies more likely to move evasively or flail around, but on the other hand you were less likely to get targeted.

[shy willow]

What was that DCH pistol headhunter build again

[rich lotus]

Reasonable points. I kinda feel like Determined was fixing a broken house foundation by blowing the whole thing to pieces.
To me, Determined feels like vindication of the fact someone higher up agrees there's a fundamental issue with the kit. Maybe they saw it in usage stats, maybe they used it for themselves. Maybe it's not as deep as that, but giving a class Headhunter and Determined feels like a 'yeah, we know this sucks. Maybe these will help'

I've got a video of me killing four Hunters in 12 seconds with Nemesis, I'd be sniping all the time if I could because when the stars align, it outputs unrivalled amounts of damage and is thoroughly satisfying to use. The way the game is, doesn't really allow for that to happen terribly often, and for the rest of the time, you're sat in cover letting everyone else down

[urban latch]

The perfect versions of determined currently work in a pretty balanced way, while the non-perfect version just lets you spam shots and everything is counted as a headshot.

Headhunter was also arguably the strongest chest talent in the game before determined, it didn't need something like determined to make it even stronger

[rich lotus]

Sure, but without the two, it's a pretty useless kit that doesn't feel like it has any meaningful advantages over just sticking on Striker for everything

(I mean collectively, rather than one in addition to the other)

[urban latch]

Plenty of people solo legendary, a lot of people like the challenge.
https://youtu.be/b6G6MBWnemU?si=l3WJJeVJCTm-LcWK

[urban latch]

Striker is obviously good, but it's still slower than a regulus HH build in most situations

Calling it useless without determined is pretty nuts lol

[rich lotus]

I've been making it not useless for years, but at the expense of significantly more effort, luck and frustration than if I just slapped on a Striker build, closed my eyes and sprayed in all directions

Useless no, but not worth the hassle yes

[astral kraken]

Even without determined chainkiller kills faster than striker

The only constraint is you need to do more damage per shot than the NPC has HP, which rules out bosses (setting aside one shot kills that require setup).

So like a normal hotshot build with a rifle is hitting 20-30M per shot. At 4 person scale an elite is 16M HP. Result is every single click is a kill on elites which is much much faster than Striker. Chungas and other helmeted enemies are two shots.

Lower that to 1 player scaling and it's child's play.

At 1 player scale even named enemies go down in 1 shot.

[rich lotus]

It's absolutely not as easy to snipe as reliably in this game as you're suggesting. No chance

[astral kraken]

I beg to differ, but experiences are different I guess. I never had issues with the Mantis+Decoy combo I ran.

[fickle light]

there is the PC vs Xbox thing going on here

[astral kraken]

Oh I didn't realize. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a controller. Like I'm uniquely bad at aiming with controllers haha

I've been made fun of for it 😂

[rich lotus]

Yeah, it's not easy on controller AT ALL

[astral kraken]

There's no auto aim or anything?

Dunno how these games work w/ controllers

Petition: If they fix determined leave it unfixed for consoles 😄

[urban latch]

With scopes there's little to none, but for pistols, aka regulus, there's plenty to make it fairly easy to pull off

I'm still able to snipe with non-determinded MMRs perfectly fine on Morozova on console with a controller as well

[rich lotus]

"I'm able to do x" != "x isn't a problem". Worth mentioning
Of course it's not impossible, otherwise it would've been disabled and fixed. It's just not worth the trouble to use it

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna play devils advocate here and say sniping is harder on console but at the same time if you are an experienced controller player it's no different than sniping in any other game

Before ummm "cheesing" with a particular oxy strat I had over a 13% headshot rate on console overall

[rich lotus]

Mobs in other games don't convulse when you're aiming at their head. Generally I'd agree, but not with that point

[magic pilot]

One of my clan members is over 19%

[magic pilot]

I mean that's just simple tracking, other games have npcs that run at higher speeds. Change direction etc

[rich lotus]

Movement in general of NPCs, specifically on boots-on-the-ground sorts of games, is much more advanced than other games I've played. Most just do it slightly differently (stay in cover for much longer). I've not experienced any other games that have head movement like D2

(that's bearing in mind I really don't want to use Determined because I want to earn every kill I get)

[slate wedge]

this for pvp?

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna be honest

Terrible build for pvp

[slate wedge]

how so?

[magic pilot]

Oreo saves that by itself

[rich lotus]

Pulse resistance + Ouro = sneaky bad dude

[magic pilot]

Umbra is too slow

And clunky

[urban latch]

Over time you can learn to recognize animations that NPCs and doing, which let's you predict exactly where their head is going, and you can pre-place shots

[slate wedge]

whatchu mean exactly with slow?

[magic pilot]

You are gonna be sitting in cover trying to build stacks while I'm mag dumping you

[slate wedge]

what would be the best setup for umbra

[magic pilot]

Not using it lol

[slate wedge]

i have to test it out

[slate wedge]

😠

[magic pilot]

I mean when you have the offensive buff it's really strong dmg wise but you will get absolutely fried

There's no survivability, which is why I assume you went with catharsis

[slate wedge]

why will i get fried when the buff is active?

[magic pilot]

You have no unbreakable or ad rush

[slate wedge]

it kinda has survivability when going into cover

[magic pilot]

And you lose all your dmg when you go to get your armor regen

[rich lotus]

There is no rhyme or reason to the headbanging a Hyena grenadier does. I just wait for it to stop, get into another position and kill it when its seizure has stopped.
Another console versus non-console thing? Not sure

[magic pilot]

Raucey plays both like me

[urban latch]

You've just got to adjust your play style for umbra. In PVP you'll basically use it for ambushes, where you charge it up, then pop out of cover and burst them down. But if your the one getting surprised, or just a typical head to head it's going to struggle

[magic pilot]

IMO it's probably easier in conflict. In dz I wouldn't bother

[slate wedge]

ok but if i wanted to use it, should i go with what i have or change to more red cores?

[urban latch]

I don't think I would go 6 blue with umbra because of that ambush style it uses, but tbh I've never used it in pvp myself

[magic pilot]

I would say to switch picaros but I'm not sure to what

Probably a 4/2 3/3 split?

What does umbra bp do?

[slate wedge]

i didn't wanna use coyotes because the 25% chd will be negligible when you already have 290%

[slate wedge]

give double the armor regen

but i got a godrolled sokolov adrush backpack

[magic pilot]

Switch picaros for a bp. Either grupo vigi or ad rush

That works too

[urban latch]

I'd go vigi personally, but I've got a strong bias towards vigi even in pvp lol

[magic pilot]

The armor regen will only be used once you've killed the players you've engaged or if you are fighting long distance

[magic pilot]

You aren't a fan of the 3/3 flatline vigi unbreakable meta huh

[slate wedge]

i don't really like it, cause people aim for heads

[urban latch]

That's like half my pvp builds lol

[rich lotus]

It has the highest ceiling in terms of raw numbers, but that doesn't tell the whole story by any means

[magic pilot]

I love when particular mods delete my messages for no reason

[rich lotus]

Personally, I didn't see any need for it. 'Look at my YouTube' for x didn't seem like spam or advertising. You were continuing a conversation

[urban latch]

Using headhunter doesn't mean your sniping. I use HH builds more often at close range than I do at long range

[magic pilot]

It's a whole thing don't even worry about it

[round zinc]

you're*

[slate wedge]

just got this

for pvp reg build

[slate wedge]

this is what i have rn

[magic pilot]

Ad rush isn't great for reg build

[urban latch]

Why are clips that are relevant to the conversation being deleted... It's not self promotion....

[magic pilot]

Yea try that out and see how that works

[rich lotus]

Hold up, mine got deleted too (the one with the clip). Come on now, there's moderation and then there's that

Cut that out, whoever that is. Contribute or go

[magic pilot]

Just Ignore it

It's an up hill battle you won't win

I saved the link anyway I knew it would get deleted

I will say tho, sniping on pc is miles easier

I have a terrible hotshot build on pc, like all my pieces have random rolls and I can clear heroic content easily

[slate wedge]

for a tank reg build, i mean, with intimidate and 6 blue cores

[magic pilot]

No determined. Random roll on White death. Random talent. Just chainkiller and a vigi airaldi bp

[rich lotus]

I wish I had the context to help. I'm also aware it went against my whole argument, in saying mobs convulse but the ones in my clip just stood there and took it. Weirdly, it's not every faction and it's not every mob type either

[magic pilot]

Ahhhh nvm

[magic pilot]

I know what you are talking about

[slate wedge]

i got a funny full red reg build with pgc

[tawdry flare]

Ubisoft being ubisoft

[magic pilot]

There's a few specific animations they do but once you can recognize what animation it is you can pre aim

[urban latch]

It's not ubi lol

[tawdry flare]

Than division 2 being division 2

[magic pilot]

Absolutely shit hotshot build that clears everything

[rich lotus]

It's also by far not the only issue. Sad truth is, I haven't sniped in a while because it might be (by far) the most fun thing in the game to do, but it's more situational than any of the other builds, requires your teammates to work around you and make concessions for you, and it's down to silly things like the time of day and weather.
Anyway, I've gone on about it for way too long

[gentle lichen]

I'm contemplating using companion just because of how many times i face trade with vigi

[magic pilot]

Only one piece has headshot rolled

[magic pilot]

Companion is def better if you are playing in a group imo

[slate nest]

SHD 30 with Oreo 😭

[magic pilot]

I'm built different

Just wait, in 2 weeks I'll have reg too

[rich lotus]

I know one person that hasn't gotten Ouro within 30 clears. Every single other person, got it within their first three

[magic pilot]

Took me 7

My ps account took me over 30 I think and someone in my clan dropped it for me lol

[hazy steeple]

Technical issue, should be fine from now on as long as the person posting them doesn't own the channel.

[magic pilot]

BRB gonna rename my YT and unlink it

[gentle lichen]

Also found this yesterday during w&h targeted. Good or trash?

[magic pilot]

Shit

[hazy steeple]

Just get someone else to post them, that's always been the loophole.

[magic pilot]

You got some fun pieces in there lol

[gentle lichen]

That's a hazpro armor regen gift lol. Just keeping incase

And 2 tdis sitting around

Can never have enough of them

[magic pilot]

For the tank build🤣

Use that in a control room build one day please😭

[tawdry flare]

It will be a crime for not using 5.11 on a hazpro build

[gentle lichen]

That's if i ever play a raid lmao

[urban latch]

The whole point of the rule is to stop people advertising their content, but contributing with their own stuff to an active conversation with something relevant was always allowed?

We shouldn't need a "loophole" just common sense moderation

[tawdry flare]

Time to create a dummy account

In the name of AI

Or CHATGPT

[magic pilot]

All of a sudden div 2 discord had a bunch of accounts made today

[hazy steeple]

Nothing new there, Cham.

There's a very fine line between posting your own channel's content "as an example" and just trying to subtly advertise.
Unfortunately we need to paint with broad strokes because there's a lot of people here, like, a heck of a lot.

I would love to be able to specifically vet each person posting and allow case-by-case, but that'd be a full time job.

[magic pilot]

I'm just gonna start linking the build spreedsheet and include YouTube links in the sheet

[slate wedge]

btw how about a pulse resistence umbra build?

[magic pilot]

That would mean ninja, no go

[magic pilot]

Jesus

[slate nest]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[slate wedge]

it wouldn't

[tawdry flare]

Raucey Meta build please make a Evernote on it

[magic pilot]

Jason Bourne?

[slate wedge]

4 piece umbra with backpack and chest, improv piece, chill out mask

[magic pilot]

To be fair I was shd 17 when I got mine

[magic pilot]

Um