td2-build-advice

[untold hearth]

I run Grupo cuz my chc is already like slightly almost 55%

But I plan to get a better Chd mod for that replacement

But I was told it's a no no lol

[urban latch]

Ceska will let you run less chc attributes/mods on your gear in exchange for CHD, and you'll end up netting higher

[untold hearth]

I'll now need an obliterate Cheska chest now 🤣

I do have a holster for the boss part

[urban latch]

The difference isn't huge, so it's nbd, but for the incursion you'll want the striker chest anyways

[untold hearth]

Ya lol. I'll look into the Cheska again. Just wanted to know about the blue core theory

[shy willow]

Like raucey said blue cores just hurt the team's DPS

[untold hearth]

No ya I get ya

[tawdry flare]

Hey raucey are you up for 5.11 incursion run

[shy willow]

Wh-

[urban latch]

Sure...

Can I just run my 6p improzed build instead so I don't need to farm 5:11?

[tulip mauve]

So, besides the maxed mods for my gear, I believe I have a working DPS build. Should I focus on something else for this or is this good enough for most content?

[tawdry flare]

Okk will ping yaa when I have my PC cause I need to farm 2-3 red 5.11

[orchid cloud]

It's okay if you don't want to

[urban latch]

That's definitely solid. I'd try to find a high end chest as well since strikers chest isn't worth running in most situations.

[magic pilot]

Only if you use 5pc with ninja

[tulip mauve]

What would you recommend? Isn't the chest from the gearset the best for Strikers? I don't think I have one that could give me more crit or SMG damage. Or is it a perk?

[shy willow]

Ceska obliterate

[tawdry flare]

My caveat is 5pcs 5.11 with 1 exo of your choice

Preferably ninja

[untold hearth]

I got a buddy of mine who's starting his SHD levels. He's using gunner ATM. Y'all got any recommended builds my friend can grind for. PVE reasons mostly, especially solo

[flint wave]

any(striker) build with memento backpack(or not)

[tulip mauve]

Didn't have a Ceska Obliterate. I guess it's back to Countdown yet again.

[astral kraken]

It's worth grinding for that one. It shows up in a lot of DPS builds. I specifically farmed for a Ceska and Grupo chest both with Obliterate. Then a Ceska and Grupo backpack both with vigilance. Creates a lot of build flexibility.

[round zinc]

correct me on this but collector does most of the heavy lifting so maybe you can just cut back some of the explosive damage increase parts of the build to make it more hybrid-y?

like a pure grenade centric build is just a stupid idea to start with

about the DUA leggo thing,i can imagine foaming the boss and then all 4 spam sledgehammer grenades

its purely hypothetical but it would be funny

[tawdry flare]

Even than I doubt you would do any good to him cause any other that is not his head DMG goes directly to his bag afaik

[round zinc]

you know,we have 7 nades and each once after the first with sledgehammer does 40% more

if a nade can do like 30-ish mil a pop then multiply them by uh

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but the boss is weird in sense the DMG will go to the bag

[round zinc]

eventually we'll break the backpack

[tawdry flare]

And shooting him anywhere not his head doesn't deal DMG

To him I don't know about grenades though

[round zinc]

30x4x7=840 mil

[tawdry flare]

Btw how does grenade deal 30mil I wanna know

Max I have seen is like 10mil

Per grenade

[round zinc]

im literally crunching numbers based on the video up there

where he 1 shot the named true son lmg

[tawdry flare]

At least tag the video

[round zinc]

.

30 mil because the whole build involves putting on a couple more pieces with explosive damage like 2nd grupo piece and stuff like that

[tawdry flare]

Why do it feel like a bug

[round zinc]

its just a rough estimate

you can do more with cluster nade for some reason

[tawdry flare]

Also 30mil is way too high he is at like 20-22 mil

Iirc

[round zinc]

the demo nade isn't very strong

the normal nade is actually stronger lol

1 sec

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/17d5rq9/grenade_damage_by_collector_talenthoarder_tested/

and even then like you said it hit for 20-22 mil

so this post might not even be correct

but because i don't have the exact numbers lets assume that nade is 22 mil

22mil x 4 players x 7 x 140%(100% + 40% sledgehammer)=862.4 mil

[tawdry flare]

Seems interesting but

[round zinc]

yea its just faster to just mag dump striker

its mostly a what if scenario

[tawdry flare]

For dua boss I don't think it works

[tawdry flare]

The point with dua boss is wether grenade does direct DMG to him like headshot does or not

[round zinc]

yea thats the only thing that i don't know

[tawdry flare]

Need to phone an expert @urban latch

[flint wave]

gotta leave a voice message at this time of day

[round zinc]

moving a bit away from numbers i found collector to...not be as bad as i thought it would be in general gameplay

like sure you lose out on a chest damage talent

but you get a 1 shot grenade

on heroic

it also does good damage against legendary ads

[flint wave]

I couldn't pull off the one shot cluster when I used it

[round zinc]

im used to using cluster as a means to force enemies out of cover

so when they instantly vaporize it surprised me

[hexed steppe]

perfect opportunistic way better than perfect creeping on my Hazpro CC Eclipse build for CD.
100% hazpro, 97% haste, 20% amp from scorpio, 15%* amp from opportunistic, 40% increased damage on armor/plates, 10% damage against status targets.
im officially a convert 😍

[grizzled garnet]

You forgor to mention the reason you put 15%*

[astral kraken]

nice!

[hexed steppe]

been giving it a good testdrive. opportunistic makes a bit of a difference when you inevitably hit a match with status immune countermeasure. can still debuff the shit out of a hunter, even tho it wont lock them down with countermeasure, they still melt .
i highly recommend using 💯

[placid crescent]

Good Morning D2 community! I am looking to play a Healer/Support role for my group. We all just recently hit 40 and are currently farming summit. Is there a "Default" or go to build guide for someone new looking to play this type of role?

[shy willow]

Bread and butter support healer build would be future initiative

4 pc w/chest, Alps bag with opportunistic (or yellow rolled setup), btsu datagloves

Scorpio + lefty

Everything rolled to skill haste/repair

[placid crescent]

@shy willow - Awesome thanks bud!

[onyx sage]

future initiative guide if you want something more concrete

[hexed steppe]

Run a couple heroic control points and you can pull a blueprint for the setup and closer
It's hard getting a good setup to drop. Crafting is much easier and setup will be superior to the alps opportunistic

[placid crescent]

Thank you!

[junior surge]

Since when do the blueprints for those two drop from cps? I haven't been able to play for a month, did they add them to the cp bp loot pool?

[hazy steeple]

@junior surge It's a bug, probably.

[cyan drift]

It's entirely about if the cluster grenades break and drop them all in the same spot. You'd need everyone in the party to have that happen each and I've only had it happen three times out of thr hundreds of grenades I've thrown

[tulip mauve]

They were added on the latest patch.

[cyan drift]

The grenades themselves work great in certain situations, and the build should not be used outside of those situations

[tulip mauve]

I don't have all of the blueprints yet, and I'm farming CPs to unlock them all. When I logged in after the patch the first 2 blueprint drops were those 2. Like some kind of guaranteed drop.

[bronze hound]

if youre not aware already not all blueprints can drop from CPs

[tulip mauve]

Yeah, I will eventually have to run Descent, right?

[bronze hound]

yes

[long totem]

Hey ! I saw a video of the guy that had the linked laser pointer unlock, without speccing into rifles. How do they do it ? When I press respec element it deletes my linked laser pointer

[bronze hound]

probs a bug cuz mine doesnt do that

just found this on my demo tho lol

[hexed steppe]

Definitely not intended, but they started dropping last patch. Needs to be cp4 for them to drop afaik

Also they arent a completion award. They drop when the yellow cache is opened

[junior surge]

I hope they don't remove that before I come back

[urban latch]

no idea, never actually used grenades to do damage before

[tawdry flare]

Really one lifeline wasted don't have 50:50

Time for audience poll

What's the last lifeline in a millionaire ?🤔

[honest flame]

new to dz and need some advice about dz builds

[magic pilot]

Check pinned builds

[tulip granite]

what build is closest to a oroborus build as i dont have it and does the build help you get it?

dont remember where it drops if it was decent or incursion or something

[fickle light]

a build to get you to ouroboros would be the striker build, as you need to get lucky in the incursion for it to drop

[tulip granite]

is striker not riggers?

[fickle light]

....no?

not close, either

[tulip granite]

oh that explanes why the build i did was meh

[fickle light]

...i kinda wanna see this actually

[tulip granite]

let me boot it up

[fickle light]

strikers is a gearset based on dealing weapon damage, every hit you get will give you more damage, up to a cap

rigger is a half-baked gearset that gives you extra skill damage when you activate/give commands to your skills

very very different things

[tulip granite]

wiat

now im not sure

[fickle light]

did your armor have a yellow thing or a red thing as its main attribute

just boot your game up and take a picture of your inventory screen

[tulip granite]

oh it was strikers dont know why i thought i was using rig

might be thinking of rigways that i had used the other day for bleed

wait why is my tac 50 their it was my guner

[fickle light]

well your first problem is the gloves- thats an SMG boosting brand, while you have ARs on

i'd farm out new gloves, but Ceska this time

[tulip granite]

oh i know i didnot save after swappiong to gunner

is ceska a brand or a named gloves?

ah brand

[cyan drift]

wish.com hunter's fury

gonna need a third armor core to make this work in a run and gun

also memento would be great

might do memento and then umbra holster

[tulip granite]

what dmg should i be doing dps wise?

[hexed steppe]

depends on the build..
on dps you want to be able to 1mag an elite on heroic.

[hexed steppe]

it would be a lot better with memento

[tulip granite]

using strikers cyote mask and any assult rifle as i dont know whats best

[hexed steppe]

The Build Bible (AKA the pinned spreadsheet)

strikers is in there, follow the guild for top damage

[tulip granite]

only do 4.7m dps

on elite in the range

[hexed steppe]

biggest things are getting crit chance to 50 with coyote, 60 without coyote. dump all else into crit damage. all red cores.
you need to check out the guide as it will give a detailed breakdown of the weapons/talents you want and variations. a lot of people benefit from the visual guide...

[tulip granite]

what dmg should it be?

[hexed steppe]

and range calculations are kinda shit. go out into a heroic mission and see if you 1 mag an elite. if you dont then you need to evaluate your attributes/brands/weapons/talents

[hexed steppe]

im not giving an answer to this. every build is going to be different. the 1mag is a good reference

[tulip granite]

well i dont now thats why i ask as if its the same im not going to waste time

well what does the 1 mag do

20m+?

[hexed steppe]

if you kill an elite in 1 mag its solid dps, if it doesnt then there is improvements to make

click that link i posted > Hubs (builds) tab > click the evernote link at the end of the line that says strikers, and you will have all the info right there to reference and compare to what you already have\

[tulip granite]

idont know whats so hard about sayig the dmg it does like for istance my white death chainkill determined build does 22.4m after the first headshot so if i told someone to do this build and they only did 11m i would see where the difference is

[onyx sage]

burst dps should be 9.3m and sustained should be 5.6m, you're not gonna get this from the range so you need to use the calculator pinned in this channel

elite ttk should be around 1s

[tulip granite]

takes me 3.2 seconds to kill a elite

[onyx sage]

if you have all buffs up, i.e. maxed obliterate and striker

you can paste a photo of your build here

[tulip granite]

i did should be up a bit dont want to spam as its the same

[onyx sage]

this?

[tulip granite]

bar its a minigun now rather than tac as i didnot save it in the loadout when i changed it last

[onyx sage]

farming a ceska chest with obliterate is your next step then

[tulip granite]

i did the build then saved it then forgot about gunner then swaped to it but didnot save it after changing but i would be loosing out on the sets talent tho

[onyx sage]

you swap the gloves to striker gloves

[tulip granite]

but i would be loosing the talent

[onyx sage]

the chest and the mask should be the 2 non-striker pieces

striker chest talent isn't very well-utilized, and you're trading it for a talent that has easier uptime

which is obliterate

[tulip granite]

what tallent would that be as i dont have any ceska i dont think

[onyx sage]

obliterate

ceska is a brand set

[tulip granite]

oh apparently i did must have changed it at the bench years ago

[onyx sage]

rip

[tulip granite]

change armour to wpn dmg?

[onyx sage]

yeah but you should farm another one, you want both crit chance and crit damage

if you wanna use this now change the core to red yeah

[bronze hound]

anyone got ideas of shit to farm for

[tulip granite]

born great felt nicer to use than this famas i have

[hexed steppe]

i didnt post numbers because i gave a different benchmark to test the build yourself. all the information you were given above is in the guide and i know its been suggested a few times over the last few days... sometimes its nice to know where to reference on your own. the information is quicker that way. not trying to be rude but i have a do for self type of attitude when it comes to the easy stuff, js

[hexed steppe]

farm rogues in the dz. you probably have all godrolled gear

[tulip granite]

i hope the oroboros is atleast 50% better than what i have now otherwise its not worth me using it

[bronze hound]

its 50% better than the famas lol

which is the best AR

for now at least

[tulip granite]

i want to do incursion but i dont have any good mp builds thats why i was working on this but it does not feel like it would help anyone

[forest forum]

And this is why there is no point to ask questions when the impression is implied. Ppl were told they can ask questions, leave it to the ones that don't mind answering or don't respond. Everyone has their own definition of easy. Doesn't mean it is for others if it is for you. Not everyone can access the guide as easily either. It is not always as simple as you make it either. We're all just to trying learn so we can actually enjoy the game.

[hexed steppe]

so i guess we are taking a moral highground today.
this isnt the first time this striker build has come up... i tend to help a lot of people, but when its repeat stuff its better to point to the guide. its 2023, almost 2024... accessing the spreadsheet is dead simple. and the breakdown is comprehensive

[onyx sage]

to be fair, localdeck has a point in not showing what the dps threshold actually is, because dps really isn't an "actionable" metric that's useful, you can't really just know the dps threshold to hit and be like "wow, i guess i should hit harder", it's not how it works

having a guide that shows what stats to use so one can correct them will both increase the dps and be something that's actually useful

tl;dr, if you have the wrong stats and aren't really sure, knowing what the dps threshold is does nothing anyway

but if you do know that you have the right stats, then "trying to hit harder" actually makes sense, it's optimization

[tulip granite]

if you are doing 2m dmg and the build should be no less than 4m you are clearly doing something wrong so thats what it does

[onyx sage]

yeah but what are you gonna do with that info alone

[tulip granite]

look at each piece and find out

[hexed steppe]

can also just compare what you have to the guide...
if you are running subpar dps youll see glaring differences immediatly

[onyx sage]

how do you know which stat is wrong?

isn't that what a guide is for?

or in other words, aren't you going to look at a guide anyway?

[tulip granite]

lets say you where doing a bad build then change to strikers it would be a lot better than what they may have been using so they may not know what it should be

and also why look at a build if you dont like the dps number

[onyx sage]

the dps is what you're aiming for but if it's the only thing you know to meet as a requirement then you literally have millions of options to go with

if you know what build you want to go for AND the dps it will hit, then that makes sense

[hexed steppe]

why bother checking the dps before you know a build is solid? you do know this guide exists, correct?

[onyx sage]

but if i tell you to just "increase your dps", i'm just being unhelpful

[tulip granite]

just leave it its the way i want it and thats why i asked it the way i asked if people have no clue as to why i am asking it in a way that i like then dont

[hexed steppe]

im gonna try that. ok squeeze in 3mil more damage.. done and done /s

[tulip granite]

i saw no dps in that guid

[onyx sage]

we're still going to comment if you're asking the wrong kind of question anyway, if you don't like it then don't

[hexed steppe]

but you saw what attributes/talents/weapons and possible variations for best results... right?

[tulip granite]

yeah and its 2m dps short

someone here said sustained was like 6m something and something else

[hexed steppe]

ok, so take action on that info and make it 6m sustained

does knowing that tell you something you didnt know? you are asking about the dps already because you think its low, correct?

[tulip granite]

i have changed a few things and i just dont have it so just leave it

it is low

[onyx sage]

"i'm poor"

"oh, do you want some financial advice or something?"

"no, i just want to know how much money to have to be called rich"

that's literally you

[tulip granite]

not even close

[hexed steppe]

so, with that information... make what you are using closer to what the guide has pictured. ceska oblit piece, coyote that you have, correct attributes which is all listed in the guide. its so much quicker

[tulip granite]

just leave it i like to know things ok?

[hexed steppe]

youre gonna ended up spending way more time typing rather than farming for the pieces you need

[tulip granite]

im in my bath not going to be farming anything right now

[hexed steppe]

tmi 😂

[glossy scarab]

its worth it. it makes it so i can use 2-3 blue cores on a strikers build and get really similar damage as i get with say a dark winter on an all red build. this is the first time ive been using blue cores in forever bc all red is more damage than you need for open world heroic stuff

[tulip granite]

so far only 2 builds since i came back i have enjoyed

both praticly the same with minor differences

[fickle light]

well, strikers is one of the best damage builds in the game, and you are 90% of the way there so

[tulip granite]

years ago i had this build where my crusader shield was tough to take down and i did dmg and i had this hive that gave hp to it too but i dont remember if the build had a name or what it was that made it good and even if i did its prob been nerfed to hell since

[fickle light]

Artificer hive

[tulip granite]

like there could be a similer build with different things or a better one but the one i had was not workign the way it did years ago so i started looking at other builds

was it teal or purple?

[fickle light]

Artificer is purple, it heals skills

[tulip granite]

once i have a mid dps build going to work on a skill build then shield build

[fickle light]

For a "shield build" i'd just make a dps build, throw 2 blues on, use ouro and artificer hive and the crusader shield

[tulip granite]

at the moment i only have 1 build i did have 2 but i chose the higher dmg one

dont have ouro

[fickle light]

If you wanna make something close to what you had, atleast

When you get ouro.

[tulip granite]

thats why i was looking at a dps build

[fickle light]

... you have a dps build

[tulip granite]

feels crap tho

[fickle light]

I saw it. Just swap the gloves to ceska tho.

Change your main AR?

[tulip granite]

ok somone said swap the chest

[fickle light]

Chest/gloves, one will be better up front, the other will be better over time.

[tulip granite]

how long is the shield meant to last it was bad

not even compairing it to that old build i had just bad

[fickle light]

You are on a build with no blues(checking if this is true), of course your shield is gonna drop extremely quickly

[tulip granite]

why would it say use one then?

[fickle light]

Because its for repositioning. Not for tanking all the damage.

[tulip granite]

does not even last long enough to do that vs just going from cover to cover

if you could sprint with it maybe it would be ok

[urban latch]

Its just much easier to look at a build and give suggestions than say what DPS a build does. The main reason being everyone compares to different conditions. Are you assuming all headshots, all armor, a mix of them, etc. Personally at the range I just assume bodyshots and armor, but not everyone does the same. So if someone is saying that they have X dps on a build but dont specify exactly how they are testing it, its pointless to compare. Thats why most people just compare gear/loadouts instead

[tulip granite]

when testing dmg i see both head as much as i can then see all body

not with my wd build tho as all shots are headshots

[fickle light]

Shield is still good, negating damage is pretty damn strong. But on a build like yours its gonna be destroyed pretty quickly. Try using Decoy instead for awhile, see if you like that more.

I've always found that not having a shield forces me to play more safely, which means i stay alive more.

[tulip granite]

with the shield i feel im in more danger as im boing slower too

[round zinc]

dont use the shield on red builds to actually try to tank damage

you use it to either peek or just aggressively engage in situations where you can down an ad fast but you’ll have to trade shots with them

they’ll hit you once or twice but it adds up really fast

[bronze hound]

I just run shield health

[glossy scarab]

heres some "casual" farming builds that make heroic content super easy. great survivability and still lots of damage. 4 blue and 711k body crits. all you

[round zinc]

you can just run 1 blue tbh

[bronze hound]

Shield health more shield health than blue

[tulip mauve]

That was awkward to read.

[bronze hound]

you can farm generic mods in countdown/summit but you cant target specific attributes on mods

[untold hearth]

REALLY QUICK I NEED THE SAUCE

White Death, God Roll what is it???

[fickle light]

i'm gonna type as slow as possible now.

[round zinc]

at the cost of running a bad brand and losing 1 attribute

which easily kills your crit on striker

[fickle light]

Well so first you'd ideally want a white death with Determined because of how strong the talent is, and then the white death already has mmr damage so thats good and then you already have the headshot damage on it because its an mmr and then you'd want damage to target out of cover which is bis for most weapons and i think i've typed as much as i can while getting my point across in the funniest way

[fickle light]

your answer, good sir

[untold hearth]

Thank you God sir, I asked bcuz this mf dropped with Ranger 🗿

[fickle light]

hold on i might have messed up my own meme

[round zinc]

common aspect L

[fickle light]

i was right i got determined and measured mixed up, made sure i was right

[bronze hound]

i usually run ranger on my WD

[round zinc]

honestly if people really like not using determined then why don't anyone use dread edict

[fickle light]

bc it hits like a noodle

[bronze hound]

because thats a literal semi auto?

[bronze hound]

wdym it hits hard as fuck

[round zinc]

its stats are actually kinda juiced if you build the talent

[bronze hound]

^

[fickle light]

yeah a hard noodle

[bronze hound]

what

[fickle light]

what arent you understanding

[bronze hound]

i run fixer drone + striker shield so naw

[fickle light]

hard noodles

like uncooked

?

[round zinc]

what if i were to hit your head with raw spaghetti rn

[fickle light]

i'm not locked in here with you.
You are locked in here with Me.

[round zinc]

said the one without hard spaghetti

[untold hearth]

So Determined or Ranger???

[bronze hound]

+OB so high crit

[untold hearth]

Cuz this MF has it all, just the talent lol

[bronze hound]

depends how good yoru aim is

[round zinc]

determined if you want fast kills,ranger for damage

[untold hearth]

Hence both PVE and PVP?

[fickle light]

either one. as long as it has dttooc its good enough

[untold hearth]

Easy

[round zinc]

not sure bout pvp

[bronze hound]

if your aim is good then no reason to run determined

[round zinc]

using ob is cheating to start with

[bronze hound]

jealous

[untold hearth]

I did the impossible

[fickle light]

no you didnt

[bronze hound]

this is my sniper build

i dont run determined

[untold hearth]

4 white deaths

1 Ranger
1 Determined
Both with DTTOC

1 Ranger
1 Determined
Both with Damage to armor

All stats full

🗿🗿🗿🗿

[bronze hound]

but why dta

[vestal marlin]

Maybe when they are in cover?

[fickle light]

Ok.

[untold hearth]

Oh because the other 2 dropped with it like that. But I never touched them so I've kept them in case

[bronze hound]

in case of what

[untold hearth]

Anything

[bronze hound]

like..?

[untold hearth]

Multiple sniper builds depending

[bronze hound]

..?

[fickle light]

having 4 similar white deaths isnt impossible, also you'll always want DTTOOC and not DTA

[untold hearth]

Hey they dropped for me so I kept them for a while this feels achieving to me let me have this.🤣

[bronze hound]

i have like 4 with max DTTOOC and rerolled talent lol

[fickle light]

its not impossible so like, good job i guess

[untold hearth]

Ik I just wanted a refresher how a god roll white Death revolves around

[glossy scarab]

i get higher numbers in the range with my DTA version against named elite heroic targets. the DTTOOC is just a hair below

also sometimes when you're in a good sniper spot the enemies stay in cover

[bronze hound]

sounds like the range is at fault

[glossy scarab]

probably.

the difference was only like 10k anyway. wouldnt matter

whats the white death hsd. 137% or something odd like that

[round zinc]

i swear,their AI actually has a counter for sniping

they wiggle like crazy when you open a sniper scope

[glossy scarab]

yeah. bend down and shit

[round zinc]

you also flinch a lot

[bronze hound]

yawn

[glossy scarab]

i use determined. im even bad at getting the first shots to proc headhunter

[tawdry flare]

The ai bots are more accurate than you over 100Meters

[round zinc]

thats why i use striker

once determined is nerfed everyone will crawl back to striker

[tawdry flare]

I use regulus

[round zinc]

(never)

[tawdry flare]

Why though

[round zinc]

fixing determined apparently will make the servers combust or some shit

[glossy scarab]

that new born great AR i can hit heads. in the range.

[round zinc]

cuz idk why they leave it in the game for so long

[round zinc]

🤯

[glossy scarab]

i gotta campare it to a g36 with steady handed to get a fair comparison. cuz the free mag from steady handed is great, and its 100% stability AND accuracy. perfect stabilize is just 75% stability

[round zinc]

poor man's st elmo

like genuinely why is this talent a thing

[glossy scarab]

yeah. it is easier to control than elmos though

no idea

ouroborus continues to amaze me with how many non red cores i can use and have it still do a ton of damage

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but is shit born great

[glossy scarab]

4 blues and 711k is more than enough for regular heroic stuff

[tawdry flare]

Well you have 4 red cores worth of wd

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah i was thinking just 3 but yea expertise

[tawdry flare]

15% from SMG and 15% from spec

[glossy scarab]

oh then its 17% more from exp

[tawdry flare]

10% watch

[glossy scarab]

so its like 5 reds

[tawdry flare]

102% wd

[round zinc]

honestly if they wont nerf ouro then can they buff other weapons

[glossy scarab]

yea makes sense

[tawdry flare]

Yeah they can allow all exo weapons to be rerollable for starters

Also buff weapons that are weak

Like sacrum imperium

[noble dirge]

Finally found a perfect Cavalier set:

• Hollow Man with Hazard Resistance
• 4 piece Cavalier
• Tardigrade Armor System
• 3 Prot. From Elites mods
• Emeline's Guard
• Savage Wolverine
• Liberty
• Striker Shield
• Reinforcer Chem Launcher

Now you can share total status immunity plus buff DPS with Striker because you have a tier 6 shield. And everyone effectively has Unbreakable due to Tardigrade

E.G. and Reinforcer for personal heals, Savage Wolverine and Hollow Man for add clear

[zenith drift]

Anything I could do differently?

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc. Bunch of info in there including a heartbreaker guide. There's a fair amount to improve

[noble dirge]

Replace Kingbreaker with Dare. Use Uzina Gettica "The Setup" and Sawyer's Kneepads.

[urban latch]

I wouldn't do any of that...

[round zinc]

Sawyer is a terrible idea

[ionic marlin]

u also don't get any benefits from using a 5th piece. And best to add a few more red cores to speed up killing

[round zinc]

Ideally use a ceska piece cuz pretty sure you’re missing chc

[flint wave]

sabotage build advice speedrun

[round zinc]

WR goes to that one person who said hunters fury sucks and immediately leaves the server

[flint wave]

he refused to elaborate

[noble dirge]

I personally found it to work well with Remote pulse.

[round zinc]

you can just use technician laser

remote pulse is a filler skill

but its less about that and more about how firstly someone at shd 37 will lack a lot of chc

roll all pieces to red attributes,aim for 50-60% crit chance

dump that rest on crit damage

use something like a ceska piece that grants 10% crit chance

use less blue cores since heartbreaker nets you decent survivability

using uzina rn means that their damage will suffer for what,5% more amp damage vs a ceska piece with normal spotter

use a shield to utilize the blue cores you have here

2nd skill can be revive hive,artificer hive(repairs your shield even when not deployed) or foam/emp sticky

if you lack a lot of chc and can't find a decent weapon yet you should target farm AR for a st elmo @zenith drift

[slate nest]

is this okay? for solo heroic
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbsNG2U1yBcF6TmBIBONYlDYWBKbAFmpPowDYdZxSGT1QXd2+Gu4KKw79SXAOywJcEM0LyCMwgA44BIu0boxonaM7bd440iA

[flint wave]

It's fine but definitely have like a police m4 secondary

This build has no survivability(inconvenient for smgs) so cover is inevitable

[shy willow]

St elmo is a great gun for buffing your crits

[hazy steeple]

@slate nest I'd consider trying to raise your CHC up a bit, 50% is fine-ish, but for your secondary you're going to need yeah, a somewhat longer range gun like the m4 or similar.
Try swapping the Grupo piece for Ceska, since CHD is easier to come by than CHC.

[flint wave]

it's negotiators so he's already balling out of control with crits

[hazy steeple]

As I said, it's for the other gun.
also, Sokolov doesn't give a full 10% SMG damage like it says, it's based off pre-red core damage, so the more reds you have, the lower % it realistically is.

[round zinc]

Idk why but this is funny for me

[orchid cloud]

What if you have 2 reds and all blue?

picaro and memento

[hazy steeple]

Actually I'm not 100% sure that Picaro's "red" attribute counts as a core.
Although the less reds you have, the closer to 10% it is. I don't think it ever actually reaches 10% though.

[flint wave]

this is peak humor

[round zinc]

How

[flint wave]

[round zinc]

Insert black guy with thunderous background pic here

[rigid wing]

sry guys. returning player here. I looked at the pins for the google docs of all the current builds but i have no idea what the most "up to date" meta builds are... any direction?>

I was looking at standard dps build for tu19?

also, what should i be focusing my SHD levels on?

[bright raptor]

Crit chance -> crit damage or weapon damage

rest can be whatever

[fickle light]

"most up to date" is any of them, but the strikers build is easily good enough for 99% of content

[rigid wing]

copy that thanks all!

[slate nest]

[slate nest]

thanks guys

[hexed steppe]

I would use nego bag and coyote. You'll proc close buff most of the time since maining oreo... when you switch to a longer ranged weapon it would improve the chc without having to spec it like suggested above...

[tawdry flare]

Use sleigher for insane DMG boost /s

[hexed steppe]

5.11 too, correct? New meta arises /s

[tawdry flare]

Yeah ofc oreo is nothing compared to sleigher

[hexed steppe]

They gotta stop giving us trash all the time, smh

[west kiln]

thought you were talking about sleipnir then and was like "I've been fed conflicting information"

[tawdry flare]

Na sleipner is very good weapon I am talking about a meme weapon in the game sleigher

[west kiln]

yeh the Christmas one

[noble dirge]

Just recently replaced my Burn Out FAMAS for the Slepnir in my Umbra build. It shreds almost as good as the Ouroboros

[west kiln]

oh yeh speaking of burnout

optimised the last bit of ar dmg last night

prof rank tells you all about my usage tho HAHA

[glossy scarab]

it handles real nice if you can remember to run the mag out every time. and also the talent doesnt refresh on mag empty if the buff isnt expired yet, making you go through the whole next magazine without the buff

[west kiln]

will try to keep that in mind whenever i actually get it in a build LOL thank you sir

[glossy scarab]

no prob

[rich lotus]

I want to run something by you folks, if you'd be so kind as to spare a moment.
Stats-wise, a Fast Hands FAMAS with the huge mag is the best thing to use DPS-wise. Don't care about recoil or anything like that, I can control anything except for that stupid exotic that I got for preordering because that thing is ridiculous.
For those of you that use both (I exclusively play a Striker build on Heroic/Legendary), do you find yourself preferring St Elmos instead? I keep reading from other folks on the subreddit that the meta has changed, and that FAMAS doesn't really matter anymore
FAMAS has maxed DTOOC, I don't know what St Elmo can roll in the last slot(!)

[vestal ibex]

Elmo can have DTTOOC in last slot. Weapon choice doesn't matter here. Famas will out do elmo in sustain dps with fast hands and if you've got strained it'll out burst dps it. It's pretty much a wash, just use whatever you prefer.

[cyan drift]

people will completely ditch a gun if something new comes out that does something as good or better, even if it's an exotic, and it means giving up an exotic in the first slot to do it

[round zinc]

on nego iirc famas beats elmo in both burst and sustain

[cyan drift]

people use st elmos cause it's just free status effects all the time, and a high round magazine

[rich lotus]

I need to pull my redacted out of my redacted and set up a Nego build. Thanks for reminding me

[cyan drift]

then a lot of people have promptly ditched st elmos because ouroboros is higher dps

[round zinc]

nah elmo just fixes all your crit problem

[rich lotus]

Thanks gang, you guys are great and I hope you're all having a lovely day ❤️

[vestal ibex]

Get yo self an oreo...

[rich lotus]

Let me just overturn two decades of extreme social anxiety!
I wish I could gear myself up to doing some of the old raids too, honestly. I'd love to though, Ouro sounds fantastic (especially seeing as every Summit lobby going has the special ammo modifier on it)

[urban latch]

people really undervalue that exotic "slot". Elmos is good, but I hardly ever use it over a HE AR because I'm almost always using another exotic instead that benefits me more than the difference between elmos vs HE AR

[grizzled wind]

famas biggest issue compared to elmos is the acc spread for me, the recoil i dont care, but the famas hits less headshots then elmos on medium range due to acc

[vestal ibex]

Well you could let people know about your anxiety and see if you can come in with listening and not talking or whatever level of comfort you need.

[cyan drift]

I've been starting to hesitate giving up the doctor home, since the sheer amount of carpel tunnel DPS is insane

pair that thing with focus and go all in on HSD and weapon handling, it's crazy

[rich lotus]

Yeah, no doubt. It's a mess, I use it at SMG range pretty much - most of my deaths are from overextending and getting bopped up close

[rich lotus]

It's on the list! Working on it, I've got the build for it though

[urban latch]

M1A CQB with boomerage or rifleman is the same thing but better tbh, and no exotic used

[bronze hound]

theres not really any good exotic rifles tbh

[cyan drift]

I just like the squad-wide armor on kill

[grizzled wind]

in challenge cd or heroic solo missions i use oreo + famas, in heroic cd and heroic open world farm i use elmos + m1a or famas + scorpio depending

[rich lotus]

That's interesting, you're setting it dependent on solo versus in teams. That makes sense, I just didn't consider that Elmo opens up the opportunity of slightly lower DPS but better chance for teamshooting

[cyan drift]

see, I like weird, so I use a whole array of guns almost nobody else does

blue screen, send-off, doctor home, etc

[bronze hound]

i just run HHF in OW/mis

[grizzled wind]

i used to do that when lincoln farm was top tier

[cyan drift]

this community and their abbreviations man... 🤣

[bronze hound]

lincoln farm was relevant for like one whole season

[grizzled wind]

ye and pre wony 😂

[bronze hound]

nobody did it pre wony

[rich lotus]

I think HHF is Headhunters Fury, the Hobo Build or whatever it's called

[bronze hound]

yes

[rich lotus]

Hobo With A Shotgun is an old as heck movie, that's all I know
(apparently not, I swear it came out in the 70s)

[grizzled wind]

well most run use regulus now with it

for solo missions

[bronze hound]

i also run HHF in group

[vestal ibex]

Pre wony it was amazing. There are like 4 named bosses and you could do them in like 8 minutes. Was a super good TL farm back in year 1.

[bronze hound]

i dont recall ever doing it

[vestal ibex]

Well sounds like you missed out lol

[grizzled wind]

it was rly good when the daily targeted loot was good

farmed it alot pre wony

[bronze hound]

mate i can assure you as good as i was in pvp i didnt miss out on shit

[rich lotus]

Ah, that's why I didn't farm for a Nego build. Some of it is stuck behind the raid! 😢

[bronze hound]

was*

[grizzled wind]

ye they changed the set pieces

no longer raid only

[rich lotus]

Well that's nice news. Thanks team!

[bronze hound]

the blueprints are tho

[grizzled wind]

pls dont craft set items

they are so easy to farm

[vestal ibex]

I'll craft set items especially skill ones cause they are perfect.

[bronze hound]

im lazy as hell so will just craft

[rich lotus]

Yeah, I 100% spam-crafted Fast Hands on an AR because I couldn't get one to drop in weeks 😬

[bronze hound]

Not even one with DTTOOC that you could reroll the talent onto?

[rich lotus]

Yeah, got a perfect one to drop (had something rubbish on it like Killer iirc) but just couldn't get the talent for recalibration! Wouldn't drop!

I'm a simple man. I see Raucey next to a build in the spreadsheet, I click it

[vestal ibex]

Idk about that guy sometimes.

[rich lotus]

No same

[magic pilot]

There's a good m870 for sale rn

[rich lotus]

I'm looking at Raucey's Nego build at the moment, I'm pretty much already there because it's just replacing the Striker parts in my main build (the Coyote variant anyway). They said that the chest talent is up to the reader, but would Obliterate be near the top of that list?
I'm wondering if I need to consider that or Vanguard just as an extra bit of insurance to keep Vigilance up, and which one you folks would specifically go for. Or neither!

[magic pilot]

Obliterate or glass cannon

Focus/ spotter works as well depending on the weapon

[rich lotus]

I fundamentally lack the game smarts and patience to maintain Glass Cannon. Focus and Spotter are interesting ideas though, thank you!

[hexed steppe]

spotter/flatline is a good combo on nego if using a long underbarrel weapon (police m4/ carbine 7) . thats how i used to run it before elmo, not its just oblit. top damage gonna be perfect focus

[vestal ibex]

Don't put blinders on them yo

[rich lotus]

That's annoying. I shared a perfect Police M4 in Summit yesterday, the guy was brand new to the game and I didn't think it was a particularly good weapon.
Perfect Focus, that's an Airaldi piece right? So that's even better without the intrinsic CHC I'd get from a Ceska piece with Focus instead?

[magic pilot]

Perfect focus will outshine normal focus + any brand

Beats grupo by like 1% assuming 100% chc

[rich lotus]

Man, Focus and Vigilance. I can hear the chunk chunk chunk chunk of Bakers Dozen like it's 2021 all over again

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[rich lotus]

Thanks @magic pilot, that's really good to know. I'll get building!

[long totem]

Best way to apply bleed quickly ? Is there a skill other than stinger hive ?

[rich lotus]

Ridgeways Pride (exotic chest piece) is a pretty fast way of doing it!

[long totem]

Unfortunatly I haven't beaton summit

[rich lotus]

I think you can just get it from targeted chest in Countdown now. I could be wrong (very possible)

[magic pilot]

Only in countdown still

Summit*

[rich lotus]

Ah OK, but then it drops anywhere after you first get it. My mistake

[long totem]

I guess that leaves me with ongoing directive only ?

Or wasn't there a smg that dealt bleed ?

[rich lotus]

I can't remember doing the quest, but must've. I got one a couple of days ago from Countdown.
Vile will help you spread bleed pretty quickly (exotic mask, world drop). A chestpiece with Trauma will apply bleed on body hits too Truc

[long totem]

Oh, yes ! I'll look for a trauma chest piece. That seems to be the best option for me. Thanks !

[rich lotus]

You're welcome buddy, good luck!

[magic pilot]

Yep you are right

[magic pilot]

You can get it from someone else dropping it though

[rich lotus]

I'm about 80% sure this is what happened. I definitely didn't do the whole keys faff

[hexed steppe]

artilliary turret and one of the seeker variants. if you have an ongoing directive build or a teamate with 1 thatll bleed stuff too. if its for league i just used a stinger hive on an eclipse build to spread it

[rich lotus]

Creeping Death on the backpack too, might be worth considering that

[grizzled garnet]

will this work on a catharsis face tank ouroboros build?

swap the yellow for chd

[magic pilot]

yea itll work, ad rush gets better the more blues you get

[grizzled garnet]

my stats are a bit goofy ;-;

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[flint wave]

binoculars

[gentle lichen]

Yeah so long as the other pieces are all blues

Because this one you'd wanna roll chd instead of rolling the core to blue

[rich lotus]

binoculars

[grizzled garnet]

oki. i tried it quickly and got stomped by someone using the acosta go bag ;-;

picaros, ceska, 3 pc strikers and the ninja bike bag

i was wrong it was ninja bike not acosta

[gentle lichen]

Have seen that setup in ps too. Weird builds they got

[magic pilot]

we need to play once i hit 40

[onyx sage]

damn you have a PC account now?

[magic pilot]

Yep

I'm lvl 30 rn, uplay is same as my actual discord

Duo binoculars run

[vestal ibex]

You didn't just boost right to NY?

[onyx sage]

wtf souless is azur now?

[onyx sage]

i'll send my fr req

[vestal ibex]

I wish. I'll never be that cool.

I'll be your goopy boi if you need for these runs. Then you can have someone tell you when you are getting flanked.

[onyx sage]

Flank that shield carrier!

[magic pilot]

No I did

[magic pilot]

Hell yea

[winged oar]

followed a headhunter's fury guide and im not getting anywhere near the damage despite having higher headshot damage than the person in the video

[vestal ibex]

Weapon expertise is pretty huge. Also you'll need you HF stacks up for comparison and idk if they have team buffs. Most vids are misleading too.

[winged oar]

feels like the white death hotshot build is much easier to set up and maintain

[vestal ibex]

If you want you can post your build and stats and it might be clearer. Oh did you do your spec weapon damage too?

[astral kraken]

I compared my highend HH build to HF and it's only like 1M damage difference.

[vestal ibex]

It depends on your play style and ability to hit shots.

They never said regulus tho.

Not sure if that's what they are using.

[astral kraken]

I'm talking white death numbers. Like highend hits for 22M and HF hits for 21M. You're not losing (much) on HSD with HF but you do lose on handling. HF HSD is 262 and highend version is 287.

Anything above 16M is good enough though.

[winged oar]

using d50 with determined

[astral kraken]

oooh sorry

[vestal ibex]

Regulus is a HUGE difference.

[astral kraken]

Yea that's going to suck unless you're playing solo

I tried really hard to make D50 HH work

Event at 2 player scaling it starts to suck

[vestal ibex]

On my HF HH regulus I'll hit for about 19 mil stacked up with the regulus.

[astral kraken]

Just with HH stacks???

Oh you know what the range is probably a liar b/c it's missing certain buffs

I do think that D50 determined is a different playstyle from regulus HH. Too many squirrely bobbing heads.

[vestal ibex]

I've got a regulus vid on my YouTube if you wanna see what damage I hit. I'm not getting on my computer tonight tho so I can't tell you the exact number.

[onyx sage]

it was my clip, the amp from firewall shield also makes a big difference

[onyx sage]

for reference #td2-build-advice message

[astral kraken]

i feel like your shotty reticule is... smaller... than mine?

or is that just an fov thing?

[onyx sage]

probably fov

[marsh hare]

Im not a huge PvP player and probably am bad xD But i feel like no matter what pvp build i try and run darkzone with i cant seem to compete with other people, does anyone know some solid builds?

[rich lotus]

If your partner is running future with opportunistic, you can get around 240% bonous weapon damage and this is with everything active

[astral kraken]

next time you have a 1v1 and lose, inspect the other person's build and screenshot it. then screenshot your own build. post both. @stiff jasper will tell you why you died 😄

[tepid summit]

Hey does anyone have suggestions for what sort of setup i could run with the Doctor Home?

[stiff jasper]

there are different factors that make you lose in pvp, build, skill, team,game sense etc.
It hard to tell you everything without recording or any game play, and you also need take time to learn these
But build is simplest to point out your problem

[severe wasp]

My build if you want to kick a** in pvp, mainly conflict.

[stiff jasper]

Reason of picking gila mask and tech spec?

[severe wasp]

@stiff jasper Like Todd Howard would say "It just works", that's it

[astral kraken]

todd howard 😂

[stiff jasper]

Is that last joke of 2023?

[tulip granite]

for this striker st elmo i have now what do i neeed to do with this acs12

[vestal ibex]

Get stacks quickly. It will actually do a ton of damage too. Find out how you like to take advantage of it. Just know it'll stack faster if you're closer and land all of your shots.

[tulip granite]

but what tallent do i put on it

and attachmants as i have ever used a alt gun to do anything with other than doing close vs long range

[vestal ibex]

Stained for damage, pummel if you wanna try to chain kills and not reload. In the end talent doesn't matter. It's all about sweet fast stacks.

[tulip granite]

so none of the tallents help with stacks?

[vestal ibex]

Not really. Go into the shooting range put the target to five meters and see how fast you get 100 stacks.

[tulip granite]

getting mobs close enough to get the fast stacks would put me in more danger than just using the st elmo on its own

[fickle light]

if you are having trouble getting stacks, just use Elmo's

its inevitably faster with the shotgun but if you are having that much trouble its not worth the effort for you

[tulip granite]

my main is elmo not the shotgun

[fickle light]

that is what i said

[tulip granite]

i thought you mant use the elmo for stac then swap to shotgun

[fickle light]

????

i never said to swap

i said "just use Elmo's"

[tulip granite]

yeah and i just said i >thought<

[fickle light]

if theres a boss like in the incursion where the bosses are immune until a condition is met, you can stack on them. Stay safe regardless, but you can dump a mag into them for a good start for your stacks. Use Elmo's for damage, and to stack otherwise. Gonna be slower, but elmo's is good enough for stacking so it works out fine in the end.

[stiff jasper]

Use elmo for stack
Then swap to shotgun
Wtf

[tulip granite]

is the word thought censored as i said i notice it didnot say swap im just saying i thought thats what it said

how does a normal acs12 vs the lefty

[vestal ibex]

Same really just better utility with the lefty.

[fickle light]

they are the same thing, lefty just can let you cover for the healer and apply shedgehammer

[astral kraken]

this is how you do it. personally i love using foam to get close and unload.

use natural cover etc etc

[tulip granite]

the more things you need to do the more i hate the build

[astral kraken]

i mean building stacks is supposed to be fun lol

[tulip granite]

there are many mindless builds that you can run on auto pilot

[astral kraken]

if you dont find it fun maybe it's not the build for you

if you run obliterate chest with a high rpm gun you dont even need the acs tbh

it'll build stacks pretty quick

[tulip granite]

swapping and using foam its just more stuff that takes my mind to the game when i play the game not to think

[fickle light]

yea this build is my autopilot build, unless i'm in the incursion (and using striker chest) i dont care about stacking

[vestal ibex]

My man would not like certain builds then lol

[tulip granite]

i bet i wont so far the most mindless build is the chainkill headhunter white death

[astral kraken]

you dont need to use foam, can use shield too

it's not mindless at first but when you get used to it then it's pretty mindless

you learn how all the AI react and move and stuff

so you just turn off brain and boom them till there are no more left lol

[vestal ibex]

Pressing a button to swap weapons is a very simple task.

Fire EP is much more micro managing imo

[magic pilot]

fresh out of wony, 1 countdown in

still working on gettings knees and bp to the right roll and getting a better chest/primary weapon

[astral kraken]

why no ouroborus? come back when ouroborus

[magic pilot]

thats on the PS account lol

[onyx sage]

oh prodigy you're shd 1 now

[magic pilot]

yep lmao

[onyx sage]

nice job

[magic pilot]

wasnt me

raucey did all the work

[astral kraken]

excuses

[onyx sage]

i would've come along and clicked heads

[magic pilot]

it went by fast

did you add me?

[onyx sage]

yeah you're on my friends list now, it's dien.aka.kim

[magic pilot]

ahh ok

saw you on

[onyx sage]

just hopping on to do descent with a mate

[urban latch]

go make @vestal ibex get you an ouro

[magic pilot]

Souless

Help a brother out

^ @astral kraken

[tawdry flare]

I will share another chameleon for you to deconstruct

[magic pilot]

lmaooo

i got memento and sawyers so far

well just got coyotes

[astral kraken]

you need to record this lol

perfect starter guide

[magic pilot]

I am actually lol

[broken lion]

still not maxed

[magic pilot]

go ceska chest/fox

[noble dirge]

Finally got my 4 IQ brain into gear and gave my Hunter's Fury set Survivalist with SMG and Shotgun damage specs

[hexed steppe]

looks good from my house 👍

[onyx sage]

keep in mind survivalist damage buff towards status affected targets doesn't affect yourself, but you probably know that

[gusty slate]

Idea for a Collector build utilizing the reworked TotS, thoughts? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwBgtATG4IydDxMSpAuYAWet4A4BWVY5dANiKmDDlk21JNTRnGt0c6ZAznZu6D0ATjDVaQoWghkyYbDBhQYeUTGGxhcdVE7TQ8sGW3YIRAwHYuPa1OBpbpB5JBA

[flint wave]

why the collector tho

demo grenades suck

[gusty slate]

Yea but I'm getting the inkling that that is the exact reason they made the Collector Exotic chest piece, revitalize Demo Class for regular play outside of its niche uses in raids

[violet smelt]

If I'm building a 1 shot sniper (hotshot) and I already have >150% headshot dmg, is it a good idea to spec into CHC & CHD?

[flint wave]

If your willing to abandon some hsd for something else then do weapon handling

crit does nothing for snipers

[gusty slate]

I agree with AK there, for any sniper build: Headshot Damage > Weapon Handling > CHC/CHD

[round zinc]

meh,i can see the idea here but its not that great

you want to use the rest of your kit which is cool

i dont see it being outstanding

[grizzled garnet]

negotiators vs strikers. 4pc with coyotes and an obliterate chest. which would be better?

[untold hearth]

Strikers

[tawdry flare]

Depends what do you mean by better certain situations negotiators will win others strikers

[grizzled garnet]

just in general. countdown, incursions, etc etc

also is strikers viable in raids? 🤔

[hexed steppe]

strikers is top single target damage, nego is top multitarget damage.
striker will be a better fit for stuff like CD/incursion/raid since you run into a lot of situations where you need to focus that damage on a single target.
if you were running missions/openworld stuff where you are dealing with a lot more spawn waves then nego excels in that. especially if you are chasing spawns and able to hit them when they are bunched up.

[grizzled garnet]

so i can use my strikers build (with obliterate chest) in raids?

[hexed steppe]

iirc there are areas in raid where you can get your stacks up. you may still want highend dps available in a loadout for swapping in if needed

[grizzled garnet]

would this be viable if i were to se headhunter over glass cannon?

since personally i dont like the idea of getting melted faster than you already do with full red

also what chem launcher they using?

[hexed steppe]

you can do 3 prov, fox's, contractors, coyote or grupo mask (keep both available). with an AR and M1a
if not wanting glass i would use obliterate.
im not sure what chem that is but i suspect its riotfoam to aid in keeping something steady while they pop the head with regulus.
the dodge city holster+ regulus is a pocket nuke setup.

[foggy egret]

Would 4 piece Striker, Memento Backpack, St. Elmo, Fauld Holster be a good solo build? No friends 🤦‍♂️

[untold hearth]

Something like this, except run a Cheska Chest with Obliterate. If your using Momento, Headpiece would be a Striker. This is my all Red Type Build. If you want to change your Striker Pieces to Blue Cores that's up to you for survivability.

P.S this is what I been running in incursion with a Cheska Chest obliterate lol

[noble dirge]

I know. They already die fast enough anyways.

[foggy egret]

I have been planning to do that with 1.5mln armor, rest damage and Momento gives that regen. Striker Mask, Striker chest, Striker gloves and kneepads

[untold hearth]

I have 2 Striker Sets, 1 Red Cores & 1 Blue Cores. However a Cheska With Obliterate helps with 4 pieces Striker and Momento the way I have it

[foggy egret]

Worth a tru

[jagged linden]

@untold hearth give me some tips 😂

[tawdry flare]

Go 1 ar and 1 rifle two rifle are not worth it a famas strained/fast hands are good option

[grizzled garnet]

how would i change the dch regulus build to not have glass cannon? just put on obliterate on the chest?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, and add providence where dch is

[grizzled garnet]

i'll still use dch :/

[hexed steppe]

ok then dont add the providence

[grizzled garnet]

i potentially wasnt clear in my original message

[cunning turret]

Maybe switch the Grupo mask to a DH Punch Drunk mask and put something else for the chest, e.g. Chainkiller or Grupo with Obliterate? Depends on your play style.

[grizzled garnet]

chainkiller is perfect hh right?

[cunning turret]

If your Headshot Dmg on this build is higher than 150%, I guess Chainkiller is a good choice.

[grizzled garnet]

would i focus hsd and then chc/chd or focus chc/chd and then hsd?

[tawdry flare]

It depends on what you want if you want one shot one kill than put 1 m870 pummel and 1 white death

And headshot

[cunning turret]

Depends on your play style, normally I prefer hsd and wh on all pieces like this build, but it’s for a determined snipe rifle or a 1886 rifle with a regulus.

[grizzled garnet]

i'll see what i can so when the servers some back up then

[cunning turret]

M870 is brutal on this build

[hexed steppe]

maybe. we were kinda talking about striker in raid and when you asked if the highend with glass was viable i assumed it was for raid as well. obv headhunter is good over glass if using for regular stuff... idt headhunter is as viable in raid though

[grizzled garnet]

highend dch in raids without glass cannon

[vestal ibex]

Standard red dps is fine for raids in any version really.

[grizzled garnet]

standard as in strikers?

[vestal ibex]

AKA HE AR builds.

It's called the standard red DPS on the spreadsheet tho.

[tawdry flare]

Standard red 5.11

[jagged linden]

I need help to make a build Im running heartbreaker right now

[vestal ibex]

Heart breaker is good build tho. Looking to improve it, just share an image of it here. If you want to just read the guide and check out other builds there is a spreadsheet pinned here, open that and go to the build hub and open the evernote links, they are full comprehensive guides.

[jagged linden]

On Xbox I’m running striker build

But on there i have no exotics i need to get some on Xbox

This is on PlayStation

[slate wedge]

i hate people that have bluescreen

cause i am cursed

can't get that thing

[jagged linden]

I got it from manhunt

[slate wedge]

i didn't play then and i got the blueprint now

but after over 60 countdowns and 30 exo caches i think something is wrong

[vestal ibex]

You don't need it tho lol

[shy willow]

Don't you straight up get it from Jefferson trade center manhunt

[vestal ibex]

HB=heart breaker. So HB chest is huge for that build, it doubles your stacks so you can do tons more damage. So you've got a few choices as to how you'd pick the other 2 pieces for this build. Exotics that are good are coyotes and memento. Coyote is geared toward just DPS while the memento gives you regen/bonus armor/stronger skills. Fenris looks like a good choice but ceskas 10% CHC goes much further, you can wear this as a minor item or as a backpack with vigilance. I know you are low SHD and leveling your specs but Tech has a linked laser as a weapon attachment that pulses enemies you put your gun at and is best used with HB set.

The last thing to consider is your cores and attributes. HB is cool because you can roll blues for reds as you get more comfortable and want to kill things quicker. Attributes you want on this gear is CHC up to 60% or 50% in the case you are using coyotes and go mid buff. Any automatic fire build in this game will do more damage with CHC/CHD so build to that.

[hot pebble]

I’d stay away from the HB chest unless you’re going to be killing raid level enemies that eat bullets

It’ll be hard to get to and keep up those stacks

[vestal ibex]

This is HB not strikers...

[shy willow]

Hb chest is bis for heartbreaker tho

Double stacks

[hot pebble]

How fast do you lose stacks

[vestal ibex]

This isn't strikers.

[shy willow]

Like 2 a second

You'll gain them much faster than you lose them and if you do just pull out an ACS lol

[slate wedge]

only exotic i need for my wall

[vestal ibex]

It's not like strikers where they deteriorate faster.

[slate wedge]

driving me crazy

[vestal ibex]

When you pick the chest for HB you just get 100 stacks.

[shy willow]

This is me when lullaby

[hot pebble]

Do you want to use your smg or AR or are you gonna constantly use an acs lol

[shy willow]

Eternally missing a slot on my wall

[slate wedge]

i mean thats a paid item

[shy willow]

Standard operating procedure with strikers/Hb is stack with a shotgun lol

[hazy steeple]

just be happy that Bluescreen was actually added to the wall at all.
How long was it that most of our new Exotics were still missing from the Haven wall?

[hot pebble]

Only reason the heartbreaker chest would work is because the set comes as blues so the bullets are marshmallows anyway

[shy willow]

Then maintain them with your main gun

[vestal ibex]

You've not built a proper HB set is what it sounds like.

[shy willow]

I went straight to all red cuz bonus armour anyway

[vestal ibex]

Getting 100 stacks is not a challenge nor do the deteriorate any faster like strikers 200 stacks.

[hot pebble]

lol but that’s what I’m saying

I rolled my HB to red and found I was killing too fast

I wouldn’t make it to 100

So it was pointless

I was limited by the amount of bullets in a mag

And enemies dying

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic?

[hot pebble]

With directives.

[vestal ibex]

I mean strikers has the same problem.

Someone comes into the build advice asking for advice on their HB build you give it to them.

[hot pebble]

In reality you’re limited to what you have in a magazine, reload speed and amount of enemies, how fast they die.

What I opted for was an obliterate chest instead

Easier to get to that 25 stack instead of an extra 100 with a 50 round mag

Then the extra 25 bullets you hit at max damage from obliterate

[gentle lichen]

Try ouro. True you can't put a linked laser but hitting headshots is easy up close

You'll do pretty good damage and stack up fast too

[hot pebble]

Yes I know, but enemies also die quickly lol

The mag isn’t the only limitation haha

I never found myself getting to 100 stacks so the chest seemed pointless

[vestal ibex]

They die quickly in solo heroic regardless. I never make suggestions based on keeping one person locked in solo.

[gentle lichen]

Yeah hb chest is pretty damn good in many situations

Namely CD

[shy willow]

The bonus armour is very nice

[hot pebble]

It’s really situational tbh like everything else

If you’re facing juiced up enemies that don’t die in less than a magazine sure I could see the chest being used

But open world and missions not so much

[hot pebble]

Yea I made an all red HB build with the devils due it was nice

The bonus armour to start and then perfect clutch for insurance

[gentle lichen]

The situations where you find the hb chest being good are many

[hot pebble]

Are you trying to tell me what my experience with it is? Because it’s been the total opposite for me

[vestal ibex]

If your a solo heroic player then yeah your experience is limited then.

[gentle lichen]

I have played with hb too lol. I never find myself below 75 stacks and that's with kingbreaker being used not ouro or a fast rpm weapon

[hot pebble]

Nah I do raids, incursion, DZ, legendaries

There’s a whole lot of assumptions going on

[shy willow]

Then how are you struggling with stacks😭

[hot pebble]

This is why I don’t typically talk in here lol people are just black and white with their opinions there’s no nuance or context

[vestal ibex]

Doubt you used your HB for this content tho.

[hot pebble]

Again with the assumptions

Enjoy your day

[vestal ibex]

You sound very black and white with your opinion here ya know that.

[hot pebble]

I shared my experience and said nothing more

[gentle lichen]

To each their own ig.

[vestal ibex]

I mean chat history would say otherwise.

[hazy steeple]

We all being nice?

[vestal ibex]

I CHOSE VIOLENCE

[hot pebble]

I shared an opinion they didn’t like

[vestal ibex]

lol naw I'm done.

[hot pebble]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[bronze hound]

what happened

[shy willow]

Hb chest too situational

[gentle lichen]

Heartbreaker bag isn't as good tho. Only situation i'd use it in is dz and in dz heartbreaker is nothing to pulse resist

[bronze hound]

hb chest isnt that just increase stacks

[shy willow]

Yes

[bronze hound]

yeah hb is situational as it is due to the pulse

[hot pebble]

Nothing serious lol other than I found the heartbreaker chest situational lol I found it better against raid level enemies that soak bullets than open world

[bronze hound]

against raid level enemies you wont be using HB anyways

[hot pebble]

Or playing in a 4 stack where people end up competing for kills

[gentle lichen]

Hb in raid? I'll stick with strikers

[hot pebble]

I prefer my brand set all red with glass for raids, striker isn’t bad for incursion

Sometimes I’ll have learners wear HB so they have bonus armour and don’t die so easily while still having damage output

[bronze hound]

doesnt striker vest out dps GC

[vestal ibex]

Hmm like the person originally asking for advice....

[hot pebble]

Most likely

[bronze hound]

pretty sure it does

[gentle lichen]

Stack management a lot harder

[bronze hound]

RnR problem solved

[hot pebble]

I like my m1a though haha

[bronze hound]

M1A has a lot of drawbacks

[hot pebble]

I love the sound of it pop pop pop

I don’t care about numbers in that regard I care about what I like playing with lol

[bronze hound]

yeah it has a lot of drawbacks

[mighty tusk]

#teampgc

[hazy steeple]

Granted, it's not a team that lives very long.

[gentle lichen]

I used to like it because no matter how many times you spam the shoot button it has 100% accuracy

[hot pebble]

Haha yes

[shy willow]

I have skill damage pgc on a turret/drone build for funsies but I don't think I use it anywhere else

[hot pebble]

Aim for the neck with the m1a

It kicks up so next is a headshot

Up and to the right lol

[bronze hound]

not all enemies have heads

[gentle lichen]

I have one with skill damage armor regen. And one with skill damage and haste. Wondering which will prove better in a skill build

[hot pebble]

Oh good are we arguing just to argue again

[shy willow]

Eh one armour regen attribute won't be too helpful

[hot pebble]

😂

[bronze hound]

its... true?

[hot pebble]

I swear armour regen attributes break unbreakable

Or did they fix that

[bronze hound]

that was never a thing?

[shy willow]

Unbreakable was just straight broken at one point

[bronze hound]

never had anything to do with attributes

[shy willow]

I dont think it had anything to do with regen tho

[gentle lichen]

Probably because many unbreakable users had catharsis in the build (pvp) and noticed it not working

[bronze hound]

so they just assumed x caused y with no actual testing?

[magic pilot]

when are we gonna run together?

[vestal ibex]

Eevee could run incursion with us tonight maybe?

[tawdry flare]

Can you stream 👀

With dev powers

[magic pilot]

dont stream lmao

[hot pebble]

That might have been it, because I remember it being a big issue for pvp players running the unbreakable catharsis combo

[bronze hound]

wdym

[magic pilot]

i can run tonight

im on pc now lol

[bronze hound]

is this a trap

[tawdry flare]

Nope lol I was gonna be the 4th player with 5.11

[shy willow]

Why is man such a big fan of 5.11 😭

[tawdry flare]

Cause 5.11 is the new meta for non meta players

[hot pebble]

Spice it up go skill damage status effects lmao

[shy willow]

What memo did I miss💀😭

[gentle lichen]

I do have that lol

[vestal ibex]

Wai you hate me?

[gentle lichen]

Got about all the rainbow pgcs you want

[tawdry flare]

Skill Issue

[hot pebble]

I had a ton but cleaned out my stash lol

[gentle lichen]

Hoarder mentality never fails me

[hot pebble]

I did a stash clean and organized some builds onto alts the other day

[bronze hound]

theres a difference between "i hate you" and "i cant trust you"

[gentle lichen]

I will never use an alt

[hot pebble]

I have them there in the event a gear piece decides to go missing or something happens to main

[gentle lichen]

Tried that with pvp and pve character and had an aneurysm looking for my chd mods

[vestal ibex]

wtf I'm good at the incursion tho, I'm not gonna blow you up in tanker or anything.

[hot pebble]

Lmao

[bronze hound]

its mister chamomile man i dont trust

[vestal ibex]

ahhh

[magic pilot]

wtf lol

[tawdry flare]

The guy i supplied the pfp for?

[hot pebble]

To save myself from that hell I just keep my main 6 CHD mods on my main and any extra max mods go to alt

[bronze hound]

lol yes ill join

full day free just ping me whenevs

[gentle lichen]

Still looking for my 5th and final chd mod

[magic pilot]

what did i do 😭

[tawdry flare]

Plz stream and do it in raid 69

[magic pilot]

ill stream it lol

[hot pebble]

Get 6 bruh incase you decide to run an improvised build haha

[tawdry flare]

I think div community server doesn't allow streaming

[magic pilot]

goated for incursion

[tawdry flare]

So have to go tenacious

[hot pebble]

Is it practical nope, but lmao why not

[magic pilot]

i will

[gentle lichen]

I only run inprovised if pfp

[bronze hound]

...............................

[tawdry flare]

No Scorpio?

[gentle lichen]

Other than that not really

[hot pebble]

Yea I’ll run improvised in pvp sometimes

Holster or gloves

[magic pilot]

i dont have it lol

i have chameleon tho

[tawdry flare]

It is better in incursion than acr

Cause you can keep the buff easily

I think even in immunity you can gain chameleon buff

[magic pilot]

true

i saw dods video

i wanna run incursion with him and raucey eventually

[vestal ibex]

Hop in that IH raid with Raucey then.

[tawdry flare]

xDd

[tawdry flare]

Wish I can 🥲

[forest forum]

Just sharing:
Chatterbox works great with striker, stacks very quick. Especially when some1 got a coyote mask but i still use a ninjabike so I'm not using coyote and still works great. No oxi spam on my end, maybe just depends how its used. But again I'm at expertise lvl 15 so maybe that makes a difference.

[hexed steppe]

Try it with the striker bag and see your damage jump a lot more.
Ninja is a big trade off for small gains

[glad heart]

How much difference will 2% crit chance make? E.G. 60% to 58% on red dps build, St. Elmo's primary? Changing 3rd attribute from Crit Chance to DTTOOC.... thanks

Realistically speaking, rather than conventional wisdom

I know, 2% difference haha

[bronze hound]

It won't mean much

[hexed steppe]

Not a huge difference @ 2%. Will your chd change at all

[bronze hound]

In a theoretically perfect world that's 1 in 50 shots

[glad heart]

no, CHD is at 202.5%

[bronze hound]

Are you running HE?

[glad heart]

Yes Providence, Fenris, Fox's, grupo

[bronze hound]

Not Ceska?

[hexed steppe]

Must be over cap then anyways if itll only change 2%

[bronze hound]

Yeah

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC will net you 10% more damage tho.

[bright raptor]

and do so near all of the time, while crit damage still only triggers some of the time

[glad heart]

As it is right now, not over cap, the cc on elmo is 8%. without it drops to 52% so dead on cap

[vestal ibex]

Elmo has 20% CHC

[bright raptor]

anyway, looking to have to use these max rolled Umbra pieces to get Proficiency over with at some point wooo

[hexed steppe]

3rd attribute

[vestal ibex]

Ahhh

[glad heart]

Yes. That is included in the total CHC. 3rd attribute is CHC 8% changing to DTTOOC....

[spare gull]

Does coyotes mask have a distance restriction for group members or are you peachy as long as in a 4 man group?

[glad heart]

I run solo, and don't run coyote's

[vestal ibex]

There is a distance but it's like 100 meters from teammates.

[glad heart]

I can change a weapon handling attribute to CHC to bring it back up to 58%

[gentle lichen]

Really? Haven't noticed damage drop when playing in dz

[bright raptor]

100 meters is like the entire engagement radius

[spare gull]

Thank you soul. On the tanker portion seemed like group was lagging behind in paradise lost. Trying to look at all possible angles.

[vestal ibex]

I notice it in countdown and when I'm messing around in the raid way behind.

[spare gull]

In essence I am concluding it is due to their build.

[vestal ibex]

Might act differently in the DZ.

[hexed steppe]

Best bet will be to roll dttooc on your elmo and then bring chc back up with a mod or roll. If you arent on coyote you want to run close to the line.

Can use chc*chd to get an idea of which config will be better

[gentle lichen]

Right a thing about dz I believe is that some buffs can apply to you even when you are not grouped

Tardigrade for example

Idk about coyotes tho

[vestal ibex]

Easy enough to test tho

[glad heart]

Already have the elmo with DTTOOC on it, need to optimize it a couple steps to max it out... can come up 12%CHC if needed, that would bring it 4 over cap. or up 6% to 58%

[hexed steppe]

Just to 58% will be good.

[glad heart]

Roger that

[hexed steppe]

Best test is (58 * chd) then (60 * chd)
Chd will be whatever it is in that specific configuration. You'll be able to see which will be more effective immediatly

[glad heart]

Think you are reaching for CHC haha

[patent fossil]

But vs 10% dtooc the 58% is definitely the stronger option

[glad heart]

That is what I am thinking, but trying to be sure about it

[hexed steppe]

58% will come with reconfiguring some rolls/mods

[glad heart]

yeah I just need to change one attribute on the holster from handling to CHC

[hexed steppe]

Oh, then it's all gain. I thought you would need to trade chd

[glad heart]

NO NO NO hahaha.... not trading CHD. Would keep it that way it is if had to do that...

[hexed steppe]

You're gold then 🍻

[glad heart]

roger that. thanks

bringin the elmo with ooc on it up to max is going to cost a bit. fortunately all of the attribs are above ~60%

[patent fossil]

even if you were trading chd, dtoc would still be the better option, both stats are additive with themselves so provide diminishing returns the higher you stack them: with your only other source of dtoc being Foxes, the 10% on Elmos is almost at full value, but with 200% chd any further chd rolls would only be worth about 1/3 of their stated value

[west kiln]

assuming scorpio is also dtooc?

[vestal ibex]

Cannot reconfigure the third attribute for that.

It only works on Sacrum imperium, St. Elmo, Iron lung, and Ouro.

[west kiln]

oh shit so ive just wasted like 3 materials for no reason LOL

[vestal ibex]

Well current roll looks pretty good tho.

1-2 optimizatioins.

[west kiln]

i had 2 drop in the same countdown dw

[vestal ibex]

I saw you talking about that. Keep one for your second character.

[west kiln]

That implies my second has even entered new york

Elmos though roll for dtooc? whenever i recoup my mats ofc

[vestal ibex]

Get them character slots filled yo. It really helps later on.

[west kiln]

oh for dailies n stuff? tried that on destiny, my hunter is long neglected due to lack of time haha

[vestal ibex]

This is the way.

[grizzled wind]

for shd

each character has your watch lvl

so 1 lvl = 4 lvls in mats past 1k shd

[vestal ibex]

Yeah watch levels are shared across your account only being seperate for HC characters. Daily stuff is meh but weekly dono project will net you 3 extra exotics.

[grizzled wind]

alts can also be used to speedup things like regulus

[west kiln]

gotcha

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, you also get raid keys and incursion keys per character.

[west kiln]

234 on the watch atm, don't quite think ill get to the point where i'll be super committed to have more than one fella at lv40 but thanks for the advice

[hexed steppe]

thats perfect. you can roll that second scorpio down to lvl 30 and use it for future wony runs